65 - Pre-Milked Cereal

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Should we podcast?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Are these the new mics? Ah, yes, that's a podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Okay, that's a podcast so early in the day the podcast.
Does in this podcast feel like we should do it
at night?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes, this is definitely a nocturnal podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, like with lights off.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Should we shut some stuff down? Maybe make it spooky?
Should we? Should you get your central system to shut
it all? Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
You know the clappers the entire because I'm rich, nothing happened.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh, hi, guys, this is my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
That's Karen Kilgaraff and.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
That's Georgia hard Stark. We're here to talk to you
about true crime. Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Are you ready for this? We haven't planned any of
this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
No, not at all, although it did have a kind
of a lilting, choreographed quality. That's just how we naturally
are with each other. That's just us.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
That's us. We don't write anything down, we don't prepare
in any way.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
We're just like the TV show This is Us, that's us,
same exact thing. No, I'm sure it's great though.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Speaking of TV. Oh that's a good segue. Yeah, we wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
That, we rehearsed.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Oh it just turns out.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
I just got real TV again after like moving in
and being like we don't need TV, let's just we'll
just do Reroku and blah blah blah, and all these
things didn't work. No, And I was like, I just
want to turn like a food show on while I
stuff it to molly into my mouth in the middle
of the day. Yeah, Like I don't want to have
to beat boop up and find the thing and then
like watch the thing. Yeah, you just want to watch

(01:57):
h TV for five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You want to die into the stream of TV that's
already happening as opposed to hunt out specific because I
find when I go hunt out specific things, I don't
like it. When I find like it, it makes me go, oh,
I don't actually like this.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Like my food gets cold while because I can't eat
in silence. I have this problem with that.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Hut me too.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
So yeah, it's like you're scrolling like fine, I can
watch an episode of or like five minutes of Friends
while I fucking eat this Tomali again. The I mean,
let's be honest, I mean cereal for lunch was Tamali?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
The choice you made Like this will impress people, no,
because they're frozen Tomali's from Trader Joe's, those ones that
are like that, I just heat up and put salsa
on and then I'm like they're half cold. The way
you just said that made it sound like you're like, fine,
I'll admit it, I'm eating cereal. I want you to
think I'm sitting here eating Tamali's homemade Tomali's.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Okay, fine, it's not my cereal, you know, like I
like to do. But you made it yourself, right, Yeah,
it's not that prepackaged, pre milked cereal. Gross, pre pre milked.
I said it, what if you what was it? Like
powdered milk and you pour water into it and it's
like cereal. And I bet the Army has.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
That, Yeah, I bet they do. So it's like there's
powdered milk and then there's cereal and then there's a
little capsule of water and then you break it.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
And there's like a fucking like shitty spoon attached to
the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's part of the thing. You break freaking thing.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Stephen trademark that.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Wait, that just reminds me so Guy, our friend Guy
Brandam had to pass over Cedar Satyr Sator fuck, I
do it wrong every time.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
What if he just had a pass over cedar tree
in his house.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I that's how I remembered it that way. I thought
Sator because sators like the animal, like the you know,
a guy with goat legs, really sata s a t
y r. You know, they play the weird heart. Anyhow,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Wait ran him, how is it? He?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
It was, of course lovely, he writes. Basically like a
whole play. Everyone at the table has part and you
have to like follow along. You say the prayers, but
then there's other things and we play games. It's hilarious
and really fun. But at one point I he served quail.
He served quail, and I was eating it and then

(04:17):
I flicked out the tiniest wishbone and then I did
the I was sitting next to guy named Matt, who
was super cool, who's a writer that I now know,
and so we snapped the wishbone and I fucking won.
I got my wish man.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
I haven't had a wish one since I was a kid,
probably at a satyr. But exit like that makes me
so excited.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
It's not funny. And it was a tiny one because
it was from a quail. So it was like it
flicked out and then I was like, hold on a second,
I think I just found a wishbone.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
It was like that big give the email from fucking
animal rights activists and Karen, you know, the wishbone was
part of this animal's life and happiness.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
That's right now, it's part of my happiness because it's
going to bring me my wish. Give it.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
What was your wish to us?

Speaker 2 (05:00):
We won't tell anyone because then it won't come true. Right,
that's not a thing, just eternal love.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
All now, it's not gonna come true.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, give you drunk me?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Did you eat a filter fish?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
No, that's my favorite? Uh, it wasn't served. He did
so every year he does a different theme. It's not
standard traditional Jewish food. So it was Syrian food. It
was a series of dishes that one more delicious than the.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Next series of Syrian food.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Series of cious series.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Of Syrian serving. No, forget it, No, you had it.
I like, well, there's Syrian Jews. I mean that's cool.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Are there?

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Tell me about them.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I have never met them, but I'm sure they're there.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I bet they are.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Okay, that's amazing television. Yeah, and speaking of you need
you really quickly plug the Guy Brenham TV show that
you're on.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh, they're talking about TV and Guy Brenham. It's so
funny and that and again, what a great segue. I mean,
thanks for remembering your line.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yet to what we're actually talking about. It's all scripted
if we never actually the segues are great, but they
never talk about Yeah, they just.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Lead us away from topics. That's why people hate this podcast.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I am on a.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Television show called talk show. The game show. Guy Brandham
is the host. He's also our legal representative, but he
is also a talk show host on a game show
on True TV Networks. It's Wednesday night's at ten o'clock.
Two episodes have already played. Tomorrow night will be the
third episode.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Is that Friday night? Or Wednesday night?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Wednesday night? Oh? Shoot, so last night?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
So next week?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Whatever had always I'm sure they're playing it. I've seen
it constantly. They're playing it over and over.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, I bet they repeat it. But but I wish
this was earlier, because I think this they're like now,
it's all they're watching the ratings to see if they're
gonna pick it up.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Please everyone Wednesday alarm clocks.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I guess I'll tweet about it. But anyway, anyway, so TV.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I got TV finally and then I watched, which means
I get all access to fucking ID and you know,
dateline all this shit, and everyone's like, did you watch Casey?
Like three part Ksey Anthony thing right? And so I
was like, all right, this is my job.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I'm gonna do this, and can I just say I
saw those tweets and questions and hey, watch this and whatever,
and I purposely don't watch anything about Casey Anthony. I
don't like that. I don't find anything in that story.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I was just gonna say that we really just don't
get a shit about her.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I don't want to know. I don't want to know
because I hate that story so much.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Me too, And I was gonna say I just fucking
couldn't watch it, Like I know, it's like my job
and I shall watch it and talk about it. I
was just like, fuck this count man, she just sucks
so hard.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
But I don't understand why she is. This the glamorization
of female criminals in that way where it's like, so
she's a young, hot girl that has a child, that
went to a party and maybe killed her child. But like,
are we reporting about her right more than other people
because she's like a skinny white girl that was like

(08:15):
at a party. Is it the same thing as that
other girl that killed her boyfriend that right?

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think they get lumped together a lot. I think
what it is is the cold heartedness in which like
it just she's such a deep, deep narcissist, uh huh,
that it's hard to watch, Like her jail cell, you know,
conversations with her parents where you know, when she first
gets arrested is like me, me, me, me, me, not my

(08:42):
daughter's dead. There's nothing about like my baby is dead.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's like I can't believe this.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Is happening to me, and this isn't fair. I mean,
it's just like her poor parents have to come to
the realization that they raised a piece of shit narcissist
who killed what could have been ant piece this shit
narcissister grandchild, and now they like have to stick with her.
It's almost like this thing of this is all we
have leftist to stick with this kid, the one who sucked.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I can't tell if it's because I haven't had enough
diet coke today. But I feel nauseous right now talking
about her like she that It makes me naus because
there's other cold hearted bitches in the world, but this
is like saying, let's pay more attention to her because
she weighs ninety seven pounds. I just hate the Nancy
grace of it all for this particular story. And it's

(09:33):
the same one with the other one, where I was
always like, why would try the yes, why are we
talking about her? And it's the same thing. It's this
kind of like can you believe this hot bitch? Is
this much of a cunt? Basically? Can you believe? Who knew? Yes?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Who fucking new?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
There's so many different types of counts out there.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, it's like, can you believe not hot bitches are funny? Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Because that's what they fucking needed to do. Yeah, that's
the standard. Actually, yeah, that's that's the most common is
we're not hot, that's why we're funny.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
We didn't grow up.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I'm not talking to you. I meant that for I
didn't mean that in an accusatory way.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I think you should see some photos of me as
a kid, because you ain't wrong. Oh my god, I
got a perm and I embraces.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Anyways, Yeah, so Casey Anthony, no, thanks, stupid idiot. Awful,
it's just sad and then awful. There's nothing in there
that I go, oh, this is fascinating. Yeah, I just
go this is a tragedy.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah. Yeah, it's ugly rough. I wrote, sit down, do
you have any what do you want to Oh?

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I do Well, this is I wanted to read you
because I read this this morning on Twitter. Uh. It said, uh,
there's a I guess a website called last and it
basically is all the stuff around La Las Oh I
love La s. Yeah, they do it in all different cities.
Surely it's owned by Rupert Murdoch or someone like that.

(11:04):
But it brings me my local news. And the headline
this morning was dead body found in car parked in
Filipino Town. And let me just this is a short
thing I will read you. A body was discovered inside
a vehicle parked in the middle of the street along
the three hundred blocks of Westlake Avenues.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
That stopped.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
That's well, turns out they people found it at two
ten in the morning. The body of a male Hispanic
in his thirties was found in the back seat of
a black Hyundai. It had an Uber sticker. It's believed
to have been towed to that location that it was
discovered at, not driven toad there. A spokesman woman for

(11:45):
the LAPD said told a la.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Is my mouth is just I'm not being quiet. My
mouth has just dropped open.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's crazy that the department cannot confirm these claims. That
detectives and the corner are continuing their investigation of the case.
So basically this is what probably they got the scoop
on the scene, but no one's going to confirm.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Or never gonna hear about it again. That's what's so
crazy about these things that you hear about.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I And then there's just a couple tweets of the
pictures of the car sitting there with the cops all
around it.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
But the idea, it's uh so scary. I've been taking
Uber over and over for the past couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
My first thought is that he's a driver, right.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Right, Yes, me too. Yeah, and someone put him in
the back seat after killing him.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Oh, my dad's about to start driving Uber, so that
ain't happening anymore.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh yo.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
He used to be a taxi driver in like North Hollywood,
Marty was yeah, and like down the street from where
he was like parked waiting late at night to get
his next call. Some dude, some cab driver got shot
in the back of the head from the back of
the seat, and he's like quitting. Yeah, so now he's
thinking of becoming a uber driver. And it's like, fuck, dude,

(12:57):
either gonna have a really great story stories to tell,
or you're going to be parked in the middle of
a fucking Filipino town.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, who knows. I mean, like, who knows. I want
to hear about this story so bad, it's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I thought, that's a that's Banana's like what I want
the story? Yeah, the Oh, I have a podcast recommendation corner.
So this podcast called The Vanished, which obviously talks about
people who vanished. It's like a true crime podcast. I mean,
let me explain this to you.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
No, I needed a little bit of an underline, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
So they have this one episode. Oh, I forgot what
number it is, but it's the episode, uh called the
Mimi Lewis Story. Mem Oh, no, what number is a staven? No,
it's called the Memi Lewis Story And it's really incredible
because it's not about it's about this girl, Mimi Lewis,
who vanished she was fourteen, but it's the whole episode

(13:57):
is a conversation with this woman named Sandy Roberts who
runs this nonprofit called Halo's Investigation where they try to
find missing teens and they're like, their mission is to
stop getting the label runaway put on teens and juveniles
who to disappear. Yeah, and it's it's a really good episode,

(14:19):
especially for parents, like of teenagers and young kids about
what like how this happens, What happens, how they're lured
the internet and they're they're saying, she's saying, let's stop
saying that they're runaways and let's start saying that they
were lured away, which is like suddenly makes you care
so much more because it's this like automatic thing of

(14:40):
when you're like, oh, she ran away, then she deserves
whatever happened to her. Yeah, but it's like, no, if
someone manipulated her and you know, you know that kind
of thing, and she was having a hard time at
home and you know, and was lured away. And there's
like a bunch of stuff about sex trafficking, and what
that means, which is I mean it's a really good episode.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Wow, that's very cool.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, it kind of moved me a lot. And that's vanished, Vanish,
the vanished, it's the Mimi Lewis episode. Cool.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, Oh, my sister sent me. So, my sister is
a big creeper on the Facebook page. She likes to
go in there and look around silently and secretly, and
then she'll text me things that she sees and likes
on there, and.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Then she's like vetting it for you exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
And so this one was the day after the Milwaukee show,
and she sent me a text that said, this made
me tear up a little look at the amazing community
you guys created, and and then it said went to
see the MFM last Went to see MFM last night
in Milwaukee. My friend and I went to get dinner beforehand,
and it was like Murderino's descended on Milwaukee. It was

(15:50):
the best ever. Basically, everyone we passed, I would whisper, shoot,
I would whisper to my friend, they're totally hair for
the show. Definitely a murdering Know. When we were at
bars before and after, you slowly watched groups growing larger
and larger as separate groups would realize that we are
all were Murderinos and join together. Why can't that that

(16:12):
be the normal bar scene. That would be a dream.
Thank you Karen and Georgia and all. I think it
cuts off at the bottom it says I think it
says all Murderinos everywhere. But I love that so much
because actually, we didn't create this community. You guys have
created it for yourselves, and it's we're just up here

(16:33):
kind of like reading these stories and recording these podcasts.
But you guys are the boots on the ground that
are like, every time we have a VIP meet and
greet after a show, people will tell us I met
THEMB in line. I now I'm hanging out with that girl,
like it's the cutest thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I think that's what the live shows have done, probably
the most for us, is make us like, actually, see
all of these people who are like the shows are
so positive, and I'm always like, people are like, I'm
scared to go alone. It's like, no, You're gonna meet
one hundred fucking cool people that are your friends. It's
just such a cool thing, and I'm it's not and
it's not like they all get together because of our podcast.

(17:11):
They get together over their love of true crime, which
we all feel so in the dark about because you're
not supposed to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
And then yeah, it's people I think who aren't really
the types of people like it's like somebody like me,
who I'm not gonna be the kind of person's like, hey,
what are you interested? I'm always like arms crossed. And
I think when people they have it's a you know,
I just a second ago said it's so cute, and
that's the worst. I hate that word. I don't know
why I used it, because what it really is is

(17:39):
a very empowering cool like it's almost like skipping over
It's almost like a weird tinder for friends where you
don't have you go, oh, I know this person already. Yeah,
I don't have to like make excuses or pretend I
don't like a thing. I like, yeah, I already have
this thing in common. And then we go from there,
which is very cool. Yeah, and it's just to us,

(18:02):
it's just a it's thrilling to be able to be
a part of this thing that you guys are doing.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Definitely, this is listen, we didn't know this would be
a thing. Hey listen, Hey, listen and listen, listen and learn,
listen and kind of learn. We didn't know, and we
fucking love it. And we're so so proud of you. Blest,
We're proud of you.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
We're grateful, we're proud of you for going to shows
and getting into the mix.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, thank you for supporting us. Hey, is it birthday corner?

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Oh, it is birthday corner? Is it birthday corner, Steven,
that's right, it's Stephen's birthday.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Corner, Stephen's birthday corner.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Hi. I thought you were gonna give it a good high. Hi,
say hi birthday boy.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
It's like we're at TGI Fridays and he knows that
someone's about to come singing and we're all just like, oh,
it's gonna come.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
So worst feeling, or you're waiting for that sombrera to
get thrown down.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
We're done that to someone whose birthday it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Oh shit, you that's twisted.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Can I tell it? Well, I won't tell it now
because we're trying to give a birthday greeting. But one
time people did that and they were talking about me
before I came back from the bathroom. And I thought
they were talking shit about me, and I started crying
and then they were like and then I just sat
down at the table like full pouting, and everything got
super uncomfortable, and then it was like happy. But when

(19:26):
I realized what.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
We were actually doing, the nice that's like, so shows
you what your brain does. The word correct.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, when you're in a bad situation.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
It was already about It's like, okay, anyway.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Anyways, it's about Stephen, it's about you. Here's one second.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Here's the thing in a car. Yeah, it's a big thing.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
George just presenting Stephen with his birthday gift from us.
It's organic and we're making you open it on on camera.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
So much pressure on camera.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
There's so much pressure to like this.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I can do it with one hand. Okay, there perfect
part of the present.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
They wanted to add something, that's what they Oh I
didn't add.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
That's all they could afford, it.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Says California six Woods.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Mall, no, don't give them a shout out. We paid
for this.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I'll cut that out.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I'll cut that out.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Students. It's organic whiskey. That's so cool. Oh my gosh,
my favorite.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, open the card though, and it cards the Important
and whiskey, my favorite, organic whisky, my favor.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's vegan, gluten free whiskey with a bear on the front.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
It's also non alcoholic. We help about that. We're worried
about you. It's just this is an intervention.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Oh my gosh, should read it. Yeah, okay, we want
dear Stephen, thank you so much for everything. We've donated
three hundred dollars, Oh my gosh to Santy Door in
your name, because you know you love the kiddies. Happy birthday,
Karen and Georgia. Oh thank you.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Santa Door is a really great catch. Not I don't
want to call it shelter. It's rescue, can't rescue down
close in our neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, it's Oh my god, you love Yeah. Yeah, I've
done done work with them before. Yeah, the Christy Keith
has been on my podcast, The per Curse. This is
so amazing. Yeah, it's like, because I've seen that you
can do that, you can like basically like, yeah, sponsor
a cat. Oh my god, thank you so well, we
just get it to them.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
I said, this is for Stephen Ray Morris.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I liked that that actually the feel of all of
that really turned into a Look what we did for you?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I know, look at how good we are? Can I
say that? Vince was like pushing hard for like the
past month. We're like, what do I get Stephen? And
he just kept saying, what about a house kimono he
can wear on the house. He just kept and I
was like, what the fuck are why are you fucking
pushing for this? I don't know. I can just see
Stephen enjoying a house kimono, and I was like, he
has a roommate, was lounging around.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, I mean, I mean this is great. First second
you were it was like pull out a cat, just like,
here's a new cat.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
We got you a cat. You can take that where
we take three dollars back and then buy a cat.
And I got a cat? What were they called mill mill?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
This is much better? Oh my gosh, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Happy?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, thirtieth, Yeah, the Big Three. Oh I wanted people
to think I was twenty, but.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
We're fired. Okay, oh yeah, we don't have anyone over
thirty in our Oh no.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's agism. We totally support it. Stephen, What are you
going to in the your next thirty years? Let's hear
a short term goal. I let's say a long term goal.
Let's how how are you going to reposition yourself for
the next thirty like it.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Oh, I want to invest in real estate. I feel
like that's smart.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
It is it's like what would we say, I want
to eat a million things?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Have have more donut companies make donuts in my face.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yes, that's smart.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
And then have like a cat ranch. Maybe just open up.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
That sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Really huge cats, like horse sized cats.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Cool, it's all mancoons, like the biggest cats you've ever
Soon children riding cats.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think that's I mean, that feels like giving back,
you know, yes.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Smart, Yeah, these are all positive things. What's one insane
stupid thing you're gonna do?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I mean the one like because I kind of feel
like I'm doing what I love for a living now
and I feel really lucky to feel that way. But
there's always like that one insane thing that you're like, oh,
if I had this, Like I've always wanted to learn
how to fly an airplane. It's one thing that like,
I feel like when you can afford the gas money
because like renting, like learning how to fly isn't that expensive.

(23:28):
But renting, the buying the gas is the expensive.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
And I've always wanted to, like learn how to fly a.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Plane, Stephen, here's okay. Now we're going to make a
solid plan. You do that, you take the next How
long does it take? Eighteen months? Learn to fly plans?
And then we get a private plane.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I knew you were going there, right, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
We go interer Nacio now yeah, flyover in National.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes, and Karen and I are on the wings the
whole time.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
A hair Airhart the fuck out of this tour.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
That means we die yea an island?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Cool how it ended?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Oh yeah, they're pretty sure they found off an island.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
They found Wait really yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Sorry? Oh no, no, no. The birthday Amelia air hurts like
died of starvation.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Thirty is your bad news birthday? Yep, it turns out
Amelia Earhart is dead.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Can I just say too that growing up? Yep, Santa's
not real. Oh shit, careful. The thirties, thirties are your best.
The twenties. You couldn't pay me view my twenties again.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, I'm stoked to be thirty. Yeah, I'm really excited.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Good twenties are a disaster, right, But thirties, I would
say this about your thirties. Thirties because you're out of
your twenties. You think now, I know, now, I get it.
Just remember that you do not know, and that when
once you're in the position of that, then you can
kind of like be flexible. But my big mistake in
my thirties is like, ugh, I'm so much smarter now,
and I think that made me even stupider.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Mine was that I have to grow up now, and
I'm like, and you don't have to like people who
are like, I'm thirty two and I'm going to marry
my boyfriend and I'm like, don't fucking do that. You
don't even you're thirty two, Like, just don't don't take
anything like relationships and jobs and whatever situation you're in
as seriously as you think you're supposed to win. You're
in your thirties, like you can wait till your later thirties,

(25:16):
which I'm about to be to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Nice, Yeah, thank you, Steven.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
And now you give us advice.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Well, the carriage thing was kind of in the real
estate that.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
You're right, real estate.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
That was like I was kind of hinting that you
two idiots who don't spend your money. Well, should have
your birth data. My friend Stephen, well done. We're glad
you're here.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, we're very glad we have you here. Yeah, thank you,
And soon you'll be paid for your work. Can't wait.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Someone we were getting interviewed for something and someone was like,
can I just ask do you pay Steven? Like almost
like you put him through so much shit? Do you
at least pay him? And I'm like, yes, people are.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
They're very concerned that we're me We really are mean
to you real.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Life, yeah, which is not true.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
So there's three hundred dollars of charity to prove we're
not dick.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh no it okay, good. You're a sister. You know
what it's like to be treated like shit. We all,
all three of us know what it's like to be
treated like a sister, like a sibling. Anyways, that's right.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's why we treat at will what however we want.
Coming from a victim stance, now, I do have a
corrections corner.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
We talked about it a little bit in both Indianapolis, Milwaukee,
and Chicago, but I am everyone forced to say to
the nation and the world.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
I forgot about it. Everyone's holding their breath. Cherry Hill.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Everyone knows Cherry Hill's in New Jersey. Everyone knows that,
every every single person on this planet. I don't. I
certainly didn't, and neither do the producers of City Confidential,
because they really led me to believe that Cherry Hill
was a Pennsylvania Tell.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Everyone, because I just love this where it's like, so,
you did your murder a week ago before the live
show aired, Yeah, and it was.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
About Fred Newlanders, right, the running Rabbi.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, and I thought maybe you were like I did
it once on accident, but you thought it was there.
I didn't know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Now, the problem with it really is that I feel
like some other part of my brain did know that,
like the first indoor mall was in New Jersey. That
just makes good sense.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I guess, yeah, you're right. Who the fuck?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
No context clues? No, No, you're right, I mean I don't.
I'll just write down whatever and then say whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Middle of Pennsylvania, like middle of nowhere, not near Pittsburgh
has to be so boring that they're like put them
all here because everyone's so bored. All they do is
like clouse trouble Let's give them a place to.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Go, give them a nice indoor mall.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Give them the ma all like New Jersey's kind of fun.
They have like cool, weird shit to do, don't they.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I don't either.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I clearly don't know anything about any What I said
to people when we were on tour was in California,
you can't just go to another state reil fast, which
is how they were making it sound. In the city confidential,
Like the daughter lived in Philly and so she like
drove into Cherry Hill. So like that just led me

(28:19):
to believe you can't just drive in. If you're in
LA and you want to drive in from Nevada, that's
going to take a while. I don't I mean, it
just doesn't make sense to someone that lives on this
part of the planet.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
You know what, fuck it?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Fuck it all?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Who fucking cares?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Fuck it all?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Fuck it? That's the that's the tagline. Why am I
the one singing now?

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Because it's fun. You got to do it, and also
you can do it. You try to act like you
can't and you can't.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Okay, just did it. You're right, I did it.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Where are we now?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Should we talk about the theme of this podcast.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes, murder, oh not singing?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
You want? Do I go first? You go first?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Stephen birthday, Karen goes first? Isn't me all right?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Even it's your birthday? You got to pick whoever you
want to.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Go, even it's your birthday. Okay, Well tonight today, this afternoon,
I'm going to do the murder of Hollywood super publicist
Ronnie Chasin. Do you know this one?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Is it a she?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I think I don't know anything about it. Okay, now
take me there.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I'm taking you back to twenty ten. Where were you
in twenty ten? Where did you live?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I was thirty? What?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, yeah, dude, I'm liking miss.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I was thirty. I was living in a studio apartment
in Hollywood. M hmm, it's really cute. It was like
eight hundred dollars a month, which is the most hilarious
thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I thought you said I was really cute. I was
really cute.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, that's it. Go ahead, and a shitty desk job
that I fucking hated. And I had no idea that
my life would be what it is today, And I
am so glad I didn't, because then it wouldn't have happened.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Did you wish and wish and hope that you would
not work at a desk anymore?

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Because I have to tell you when I had two
different jobs in my early twenties that both brought me
such intense, soul sucking sorrow.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
That was my life until I was thirty. Yeah, that,
and I thought it would be that forever.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
But I feel like, when you're going through that, you
think this, because I feel is bad about it, that
means it's going to happen forever. But actually, yeah, if
you feel that bad about it, it means it won't
continue on.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Well, in my opinion, I fucking hustled my ass off
and to grasp anything that wouldn't get me there, that
wuldn't keep me there, and that turned into a blog.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
A blog yep.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
I used to think, like, maybe if I just get
married and have a baby, I can have some time off.
Like that's how bad it was. I was just like, yeah,
get me out of here, I'll have a baby.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah. I mean, they do solve that problem, they but
babies will get you out of the office, that's for sure,
and sometimes keep you from ever returning.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Let me make this about me.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I didn't you asked? I did ask you. I want
to know because it was it's weird to think. So
it was seven years ago, So Stephen, you were twenty three?
What were you doing?

Speaker 1 (31:25):
What were you doing? Stephen?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I was just about to go to grad school in London.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
He's better than.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I dropped out immediately, So that was.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Great, Okay, London.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Karen doesn't know where Cherry Hill. There's no language.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I get offended by anyone that leaves the country or
gets an education. Really biles me off. Me too, me myself.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
If it was seven years ago, were you Where was Karen?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I was, God, I was in a room married. No,
I you know where I was. I was in New York.
I had just left my ex. I was like, I
can't do this, and I bailed and went to New York.
And I was in New York. This is when I
got into podcasts. Because I was in New York. I

(32:18):
knew about three people in the entire city. I had
a job, luckily, and I would just come home. I
would work all week and then I would come home
and on the weekends I would sit at this weird
little chopping block table in the kitchen. I would smoke
out the window. Don't smoke, It's bad for you. And
I would listen to Dave Anthony and Greg Barren's podcast

(32:39):
Walking the Room, Oh my God, and they would fight
and blather and like it was the funniest thing. It
was just like and it was just like being in
the room with them. So it was a weird way.
That's why when people freak out and go like I
can't believe I'm meaning you, you don't understand, and I always
grab them and I'm like, I do understand. It's like
everybody goes through awful things and needs that kind of

(33:02):
like companionship, and that's it got me through kind of
one of the hardest times of my adult life was
pretending that I was having a conversation with Dave Anthony
and Greg Brrett.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
My whole studio apartment was painted while I listened to
podcasts on a like huge iPod. Yeah, but like someone
had given me.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
One of those big, thick blocking ones.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right, guys, we get it.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
We understand.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
So who got killed?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Okay, Now I take you back to November sixteenth of
that year in Hollywood. So one of Hollywood's most powerful
and beloved publicists Ronnie Chasin has just left the premiere
party for the movie Burlesque the Christina Aguilera share joint
Burless at the w Hotel. Ronnie's the publicist.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
For the last night that we were there yesterday.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, that's right. Oh, this one's really folding over and over.
So she was the publicist for the movie's producer Donald DeLine.
She was also the publicist for the lighting designer Peggy Eisenhower,
and for the composer Diane Warren, who'd written a song
for this movie. She worked the room, and she was
now driving home down Sunset Boulevard. It was twelve twenty

(34:18):
eight am when Ronnie's Mercedes came to a stop at
the left turn lane and the intersection of Wittier and Sunset. So,
if you've never been to La before, most people know
about the Sunset Strip, which is like the most famous
part of Sunset Boulevard. It starts the Sunset Strip starts
at Crescent Heights and it goes all the way down
a little bit past Doheeny, and basically along that strip,

(34:41):
you've got the Chateau Marmont Hotel, You've got the Comedy Store,
you've got the Viper Room, you've got the whiskey, and
you've got the roxy used to be Tower Records. Is there,
book soup is there. There's a little a very tony
she she chunk called the Sunset Plaza that has restaurants
and like the Armani Store, fancy shopping, fancy eating, and

(35:06):
it's basically the it takes you right into Beverly Hills.
So once you get past that part, the Sunset Plaza
portion basically takes a turn and then suddenly there's trees
and there's big, tall green hedges that are blocking off
humongous mansions that they don't want you to look at,
and it becomes like this gorgeous green drive and a

(35:31):
little further down on that drive, you've got the Beverly
Hills Hotel that cost eight thousand dollars a night to
stay there. Serious, did you know that?

Speaker 1 (35:38):
How much does it cost?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
One thousand dollars a night?

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Did you say one thousand dollars a night at.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
The Beverly Hills Hotel? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Fucking kidding.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, I was clicking to see how far down Sunset
it was, and when you click on it, that hilarious
Google thing happens where it's as if you're trying to
book yourself there and it's like over it. It's like
I think it's ten ninety eight a night. Yeah, because
it's like you know the Polo Club, it's like the
famous much money. Yeah, they only want rich people there,

(36:06):
but poor people that's saved up.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Whatever, No go say somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
But anyway, what I'm saying is this is the end
of sense of Boulevard because if you keep on driving,
you end up at the beach. Basically you drive past
bel Air, which is the richest, richest U sayle and
then ultimately the beach. And that's a sharp contrast to
where Sons of Bus Boulevard starts, which is on basically

(36:33):
Olivera Street downtown thirteen miles away. It has i would
say near the majority of Los Angeles has forty seven
thousand homeless people. So the two ends of this street
couldn't be more different. And when you get into Beverly Hills,

(36:56):
the weirdest thing about this, anybody that lives in Los
Angeles knows, like, you don't go into Beverly Hills if
you don't have a reason to go there, especially at night.
It's empty basically, so it's like if you she's driving
on sunset at twelve thirty eight at night, there's no
cars on the road. There's certainly no pedestrians.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Ever, it's a big, wide street and it's empty.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
It's it's pristine, perfect, not a drop of litter anywhere,
and it's completely empty. So most people, because because La
and Hollywood is an industry town, most people are in
bed at that time. All those rich people that live
behind those hedges work their asses off and get up
at five in the morning. So it's always, you know,

(37:40):
like lights out at ten o'clock over on that side
of town, unless your job is Premiere Parties, which was
Ronnie Chasin's job, that keeps you out a little bit later.
So by twenty ten, Ronnie Chasin's clients had netted around
one hundred and fifty OSCAR nominations. My god, seven of
them had won Best pay Sure, including a three peat

(38:02):
between two thousand and eight and twenty ten. So she
represented people that either worked on or made no country
for old men, slum dog millionaire and the hurt locker.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Wow, but tell us what a publicist does exactly, not
just the people listening, but myself as well.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Okay, So you're a publicist is the person that make
sure that the press and the media know about their clients'
successes or career at the time. So like for her,
like for publicists, or like around Oscar time or award
season is like the busiest time because that's when they

(38:39):
want everybody to be on talk shows. They want everybody
to be interviewed for newspapers and magazines and stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
And they don't reach out to you. Publicists reach out
to them exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
So they're basically they would call and say, you know,
my client, Stephen has this amazing podcast called the per
Cast that everyone's talking about these days, and you've got
to get him before he goes big, so let's get
some placement here, here, and here. And they basically are
like an amazing stage mom where they talk about you

(39:11):
like you are going to be the next thing. And
because everything in la is about you don't want the
current hot thing, you want the next big thing. So
that's the publicist deal in the world of that. Then
they also just deal in the day to day of
actually booking people on talk shows. And like all the
stories of my experience of working on talk shows is

(39:33):
when something bad happens like say someone cancels or flakes,
or say your show has to go down because like
the electricity went off or something. The people you don't
want to have to deal with other publicists because they're
the people that come in and act on behalf of celebrities,
and they're the bad guy. So a celebrity will never
be the one that's like, I don't want to do
your show. A publicist will be the one that's like,

(39:56):
they can't do it for this reason, this reason, but
we can do it here. And because I know you're disappointed,
I can also get you this person. So they're just
a master politician. They are a they're a cheerleader, and
they hustle twenty four to seven. Okay, it's it's an
insanely hard job. I would never want to do it,
and it's a certain type of person that can do it. Yeah,

(40:18):
because you really do have to fucking do no way.
I mean you you're on the phone all the time. Yeah,
and you have to like you have to like play
the game the hardest, I think because you are really
like a salesperson but for people, and so it's sometimes
it's that I mean you've seen you can watch it
in movies. There's all kinds of movies about insider Hollywood stuff.

(40:39):
But like there are those times where publicists can make
a star because it's like you just by a series
of happenstance. It's like something will happen on a production
and say somebody drops, somebody breaks their leg and they
drop out and then they have to get replaced. Well
those that person, a team comes together and then starts

(41:02):
pitching and fixing and what I mean, I'm this is
a completely made up scenario. I don't know what the
actual technical thing is. But a publicist is the kind
of person that can come in and sell you on
some on an unknown and actually make someone's career. And
they do that more often than like a direct you know,
it's always like a director discovered me or whatever, and

(41:22):
it's usually like a publicist or a casting director. Also,
they're women who like believe in people and watch people
and like vouch for.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
People, and and if someone owes them a favor, they
could be like, well put this person in your movies,
my client exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Okay, it's all about favors, and what if something happens
then you owe them a favor or they owe you
a favor, so then you get.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Or they're reliable. They always bring me the right people,
and this is the person I call first.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
And in TV, that's what it all is like. You
start to learn and I barely know that side because
that's the booking side, which I never had to deal with,
and I wouldn't been able to because I can't organize anything.
And they're the most organized people in the world. But
that's all they do all day is have those conversations
where it's like, well, since you owe us the one
from that, now we want this person on the day

(42:12):
that their show comes out. It's all like, it's crazy politics.
It's amazing. So she was friends with a woman named
Lily Xanik and she has a second name in there,
and I didn't write it down, and then I couldn't
find it. It's something Xanic and I don't know if
that means that she was married to It was hyphenated,

(42:34):
so maybe it's just important to her that her original
name was in there, but I didn't write it down anyhow.
This woman was friends with Ronnie Chasin and she was
also a producer who won Best Picture with her husband,
Richard Zanik. They made Driving Miss Daisy Wow, and Lily
Zanak was quoted as saying the driving Miss Daisy campaign

(42:55):
was all Ronnie, and that's why I thanked her twice
at the Oscars. Wow.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
So it's just that kind of like the people in
the business know who makes the engine go basically, and
a lot of times it's it's publicist.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
So.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Ronnie Chasin was born Veronica Cohen in Kingston, New York
in nineteen forty six. She grew up in the Bronx.
She moved to la to be an actress, and she
changed her last name so that she had the same
name as the famous restaurant Chasins.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh wow, yeah smart.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yes, it's super smart because it's like Chasin's is like
an insider celebrity restaurant business. Yeah. You just are like,
oh yeah, you better get a Chasin in here. She
was on Guiding Light, she was on the Patti Duke Show.
She's gorgeous, like just she looked like every other blonde
actress in the sixties or seventies. I should I'm not

(43:44):
actually sure. I'm sure she would hate me saying exactly
when she was at that at that age. But basically
eventually she transitions into pr and she builds this huge
career and she's just a hustler and she's everyone said
she was just She was known for being brassy and
unapologetically pushy. She just didn't give a shit, and she
was also really honest, so she would tell people to

(44:06):
their face like uh, she said. Oh. She had a
friend named Kathy Berlin who is a New York publicist,
and Kathy Berlin said, I used to say that Ronnie
got half her piece's placed because she would people would
just say enough already, like they would just she would
just wear them down. So she's also known as being real.

(44:30):
People adored her. Obviously. People like to talk about people
being big assholes in this business, but in my opinion,
especially for women, you can't be that big of an
asshole and get by. You have you know that people
have to love you, and you have to have loyalty.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
There's to be some charm thrown in there.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
There's got to be. Yeah, you got to build loyalty
to be as successful as this woman was. And there's
a story that someone told his someone who really loved her,
who said she got a lot of flack because she
was to always take a doggie bag home no matter
what fancy dinner she was at, no matter what fancy restaurant,
everybody being trying to be Hollywood, She'd always take her

(45:10):
food home in a doggie bag, and so people would
like whisper, oh she cheap or oh she whatever. And
what she actually did was she would take her food,
her leftovers to her mom's house so her mom could
eat the fancy food that she was eating and like,
and she would share the like Hollywood night with her
mom is not lovely.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I know, it's really hard for me to learn that
you can't take half your food home at meetings. I
mean you can, no, you can't, Like I'm so bad
at wasting food that like, I no, I'm done. I
could eat that at home in my underpants.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, but I have to say this. My dad told
me this a long time ago. My dad told me
this when I was like seven, where I was like, really,
thanks for this amazing advice, but he was like, don't
salt your food before you taste it, right, And it
was that whole story of there was like somebody likes
a job because it's it shows that like you need
to be able to try things and decide how they
are as They don't just decide you need to salt it.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
You're assuming thing. That's right. Hey, seven year old, thanks dad,
that's really helpful. You'll always get by kid and I have.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
So that's I was just going to say, that's That's
a similar thing where there could be somebody that you
eat with that watches you take your food home because
you want to keep it, and goes. She's a smart,
frugal customer that doesn't give a shit who's watching her.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Total.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Those are always the stories in Holly Hollywood, anyways, people
going not going along with the flow and being like
I want my fucking doggy bag full of girlled cheese
or whatever. Anyhow, let's get back to biz. So we're now.
It's a long, hard night of work for Ronnie Chasin.
She pulls up at this intersection in Beverly Hills between

(46:52):
Sunset and Whittier. No other cars, as we've said, no
pedestrians in that situation. It's not unheard of for a
Hollywood big wig to just go ahead and take a
left on a red. It's there, it's their neighborhood. They
do what they want anyway, and they take forever and
no one's going to see it. No one's going to
see it. But Ronnie didn't do that. She waited for

(47:14):
the green and that's when she was ambushed by a
lone gunman. He approached the passenger side of her car
and he shot her four times through the window.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
She was hit twice in the chest, once in her
upper right arm, and once through her right shoulder. That
that bullet went into her heart and it was that
shot that was believed to have killed her. Her car
then took the left and drove down Whittier South and
glided a quarter of a mile down that windy street
until it hit a light pole and crashed and set

(47:52):
off the passenger air bags and was basically a car accident.
A couple minutes later a car, a couple passing in
a car spotted the accident and you pulled over, saw
what happened, called nine one one, but people had already
called because they heard gunshots in Beverly Hills, so everybody
was calling the Beverly Hills police. Ronnie Chasm was rushed

(48:12):
to Cedar's sign A hospital and she was pronounced dead
at one twelve am. So most people assumed when they
heard about this it was either a carjacking, or someone
had taken out a hit on her, because it's such
a weird the idea in just to give you a sense,

(48:33):
I got most of this information from an article that
Guy gary Baum, not Guy Brandham. Gary Baum wrote for
the Hollywood Reporter. And when he wrote this article, it
was twenty sixteen. And in the article he said, there
have been no homicides in Beverly Hills since twenty eleven.

(48:53):
What so in that five years zero home she's in
Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, I think someone Rona Khill's wife.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I mean there had been the five years previous, there
had been five homicides. Two of them had been that
exact thing, domestic abuse, domestic homicides, and those were solved.
And then there were two other ones that were solved,
And one was the shooting death of Mark Ruffalo's brother,

(49:25):
which I'd never heard of. Mark Ruffalo was a Mark
Ruffalo's had a brother, I believe his name was Scott,
and he was a hairdresser and he lived in Beverly
Hills and he was shot to death in his house.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
And they never solved it. Who shot it? They don't know,
I know, right, So anyway, that's like it for Beverly Hills.
Now we talk about fucking you know, Filipino Town, the
thing we were just talking about earlierhere, it's like, how
many homicides are there in a month, much less in
years and years years they'd had five. Yeah, and then

(50:02):
there was this. So it's insane anyway, which is the
reason the movie Beverly Hills Cop worked so well, because truly,
nothing bad happens there. It's the home of all the
rich people.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, everyone watch it.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
It's such a good movie. It holds up, it holds
up so well. Okay, sorry, so I lost my place.
So also just know this. Ronnie Chasin's estate was worth
six point one million dollars at the time of her day.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, so she was doing very well for herself. She
was also single, no kids, she's you know, like a
working lady. So three weeks after the night of the shooting,
the Beverly Hills Police Department holds a press conference and
states that the case has been closed. The suspect was

(50:50):
an ex con named Harold Smith, who had served time
twice for robbery, once in nineteen ninety eight for a
purse snatching where when the woman resisted, he broke her jaw.
And that happened on Doheeny Boulevard, which was about a
quarter of a mile east of where Ronnie Chasin had
been shot. And so this is how they found Harold Smith,

(51:17):
a neighbor of his. So he lived in this place
called the Harvey Apartments, which is on Santa Monica Boulevard.
Uh just, it's actually just north of Santa Monica Boulevard,
kind of behind Paramount over there. It's basically Santa Monica
and Western, which is not a great neighborhood. So and
this apartment building was not good at all. It was

(51:41):
mostly it was a lot of drug addicts and just
people who were just getting by. It was, it was.
It was bad news. So a neighbor of Harold Smith
calls in a tip to America's Most Wanted saying that
he had shown up Harold's that shown up at this
neighbor's apartment ninety minutes after the killing in Beverly Hills,

(52:05):
asking if anything had been reported on TV, and then
saying that he needed to go back to Beverly Hills
because he had left his bike there.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Oh no, And.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Then the neighbor said he saw the report of Ronnie
Chasin's murder on the news, and he knew he put
it all together right. So at five point thirty pm
on December first, after Beverly Hills Police get this tip,
they go out to question Harold Smith. They find him
in the lobby of the Harvey apartments, and when they
identify themselves to him as police, Harold pulls a thirty

(52:38):
eight out of his pocket and shoots himself in the head.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Shut the fuck. How did I not fucking know this part?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I know, it's crazy. I've never heard this part. I
knew about this shooting at me too, but I've never
heard this part.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Okay, So this neighbor that had called in the tip,
he uh, he had been keeping some boxes for Harold
Smith because Harold had been evicted from the Harvey apartment
six days before, and that's why Harold came back to

(53:11):
that guy's house that night. Some of his stuff was there.
So the police find this out or know this, and
go up to the neighbor's house and start looking through
Harold Smith's stuff that's in the neighbor's apartment, and there
they find four spent shellcasings among Smith's belongings and they

(53:36):
test those against the ballistics and then Ronnie Chase murder.
They're a match. The police announced they have their guy
and the case is closed. They took such a confident
position at this press conference that even though they had

(53:56):
not looked into her bank statements, they had not looked
on hard drive of her computer, they had not checked
herself on records. They eventually got to that the following March,
but at the time they made that announcement, they had
not looked into almost anything in her life and the
fact that she A lot of people make note of
the fact that she had an estate with no heirs

(54:19):
worth six point one million dollars and a family. You know.
She sorry, so I'll just finish this. The the following July,
Beverly Hills Police issued a news release stating that it
completed the exhaustive investigation and without a doubt, it's the
conclusion of robbery homicide detectives that the sole perpetrator of

(54:41):
this heinous crime was Harold Martin Smith. So last year,
the Beverly Hills Police finally released the files on this case,
and they were partially redacted, so you couldn't read everything
in them. But this reporter that wrote for a Hollywood
Reporter read the ballistics report and it actually there were.

(55:04):
The ballistics report actually says that although the two guns
in this case have similar characteristics, they're not uh, they're
too insignificant for identification. So actually their ballistics reports report
does not confirm that he was their guy at all.
The files also revealed that the police did not dust

(55:25):
for fingerprints on the right side of the car, which
was where the shots were fired from. No fingerprints dusted
over there. They also never released the security camera footage
from the neighborhood the night.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Everyone has security cameras.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
It's fucking Beverly Hills. And a man named T. T.
Williams Junior, who was a retired LAPD homicide detective who
also he gets called to testify about police procedure a lot.
He was stated as saying this about the lack of
video for fotage memorializing Smith near the crime. He said, quote,

(56:03):
there has to be some security cameras in that neighborhood
that would have caught him. I mean, Beverly Hills, give
me a break. You've got a black man supposedly on
a bike in the middle of the night, he'd be
stopped fifteen times, he would have stood out like a
sore thought. Seriously and not surprisingly, they never released the
footage from the lobby of the Harvey apartments the night

(56:26):
of Harold Smith's suicide. And they had security cameras in
that lobby, so that whole moment where the cops identify themselves,
that's all on camera. No one's ever seen that footage. Also,
of note, the gun that Harold Smith pulled out of

(56:48):
his pocket and shot himself to death with was later
determined to have been reported stolen three years earlier by
a retired LAPD officer from his home in Santa Clarita. Oh,
it's just a little a bit of a question mark there.
Guns get stole all the time, then they go on

(57:10):
the black market. Anyone can have them, yes, okay, But
the fact that it wasn't a cops gun, a retired
policeman's gun, isn't I think, isn't good totally.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
It's the oh I said, oh exactly that of Oh
I can connect those which I'm not going to say.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
But well, I mean it just so I'll end with this,
which I think is very interesting. It's a quote from
a man named stan Kephart, who's a former police chief
in Arizona and he also serves as an expert witness
in cases involving law enforcement operational standards, and he said this,
it's not what you think about a suspect, it's what

(57:48):
you can prove. And it appears that there is room
for doubt that Harold Smith is the perpetrator in this case. Holy,
they didn't really prove factually that he was the sub trader.
They just basically said he was unclosed the case and
he's dead. Yeah, he can't defend himself.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Wow. It's so interesting when you hear like, well, he
had this and he did this that night and this
thing happened, and he's been this in the past, and
you're like, yeah, okay, he's obviously he obviously did it
the end. But you don't think about the like the
deep the deep evidence, or the basic things like fingerprinting
that side of the car, or the obvious things like

(58:31):
security cameras. You just hear these blanket statements and you're
like duh, but.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Well, you go that's easy, Like that's an easy You
tell me that a black x con is shot somebody.
Oh this here's the other thing. Her purse was still
in the car. It's a prod of bag. It was
on the passenger seat. So he so they're saying that
he shot into this car four times and didn't take

(58:59):
any There was nothing taken from the car, so he
just it's not a smash and grab. It's not his style.
It's not his mo which we do know can escalate,
but in this case, he didn't even steal anything. So
now he's gone straight to murder. So basically he's not
even a it's not robbery anymore.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
It just doesn't make sense for someone to do that
there either, because you can't blend blend in with the
rest of the city. You can't go hide in someone's backyard. No,
you're just you're like, uh waiting, what do they call it? Duck?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
It's sitting duck. Well also you so that actually takes
a part a bunch of things, because they figured out
that that neighbor who said that he put it all
together because he knew that it was Ronnie Chasen's murder.
Her name wasn't released until the next morning, so there
was no way he could have known that during that conversation. Also,

(59:58):
if he if it was ninety minutes after the shooting
took place. How did he get back to those apartments
that fast? That's true, especially if he left his bike, right,
So what did he leave his bike and jump on
a night bus from Beverly Hills into Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
And in that case, then they should have had the
bus driver testify.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Right or like that, or that would have been in
the report. If someone had seen him coming, that would
have all been added to the argument that it was him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Also, there were and I mean this is like, this
isn't even speculation. It's just like kind of random facts,
but there were family members in her family that in
her She had rewritten a new will in two thousand
and six, but they couldn't find that will, so they
went off of her nineteen ninety four will. And in
that will she gave the majority of her estate to

(01:00:49):
one of her nieces. Oh no, and she had another
niece that in the will it said, I knowingly and
being aware of the implications that this might cause leave
you ten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Dollars ninety four. I mean, maybe she was a drug
addict then and sucked and then ninety six They're like,
all right, I just don't understand how don't you have
to file a will, like with a lawyer. No.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
In fact, I watched this thing Joy Bay It was whatever,
maybe headline news whatever, joe Joey Bayheart was the host
of it. It was just a YouTube video. But this
woman on it said, you actually can write on a napkin,
this is my last will and testament. It doesn't have
to be filed anywhere. If you sign it and you
are of sound mind, it's legal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
That seems so absurd because it's like it's just then
someone can pick it up out of your fucking sock drawer,
light it on fire, and yeah, there's no will. And
I'm the next to ken you know what I mean.
You would think you wanted to get you'd want to
get it notarized and give it to someone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Well you should keep it in a safe place. Yeah, definitely,
but you but it's just the legality of it. It
doesn't need a lawyer's anything. This is what this woman
on this thing said, Yeah, that it doesn't need any
It doesn't need a notary or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Yeah, I'm such such a It's like it's that thing
of like, well, if you can get away with it,
then congratulations. There's no no one will look into.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
It with what what are you talking about with.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Burning someone's will or like, oh, getting rid of the
two thousand and six will, right then, yes, that's exactly gratulations.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Well yeah, but that I mean, that's why you keep
things in, you know, something like a will, you would
keep in a what do you call that? It's safe
safety's box.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Yeah, but what if she goes into Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
When you don't give out those keys. Yeah, I've never
had a safety deposit box, but I will only have
one key when I do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I have a po box and it's very exciting. It's
like you feel like a grown up. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Anyway, I think that's a fascinating one because I saw, Oh,
there's a show called Demons in the City of Angels,
which is which it's hilarious that it's like specific only
to Los Angeles. But this that's what caught my attention
because it started and I watched it, going, oh, I
do want to know how this turned out, because I
remember hearing about it and then hearing nothing and basically

(01:03:16):
it's just them going we kind of don't buy it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
And isn't it interesting that you and I who remember
this happening and it kind of being you know, if
you know it's in your industry than mine, Like we
had never heard about it again, like it's almost like, yeah,
we got like they got the guy really low key,
not maybe not letting a lot of reporters into the
press conference. Does that make sense? Yeah, you know what

(01:03:41):
I mean. It's interesting that we never heard anything more
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
She had a bunch of friends in this article.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
It made me sad because I feel it's like, you
know this type of woman, you know, you know this
late Oh yeah, it's like she's smart and sharp and
like pushy enough to make to be the top of
in the top a business and such a hard business.
They all her friends say, if it was her front
that died in a suspicious way, she wouldn't rest until

(01:04:09):
she found out what really happened, and she wouldn't take
no for an answer, and she would So that's it's
really sad because I think it's that thing of like
there's a lot of people going I wish I could
do something, or I wish I knew something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Or maybe they're right, and am I supposed to do something?
Even if I think the cops are right, Like what
do I do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
It's just so it's just too convenient, like to find
who the fuck keeps four spent shell casings in their
like bye, in their boxes in their shitty apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
You didn't check them into the La River as you
were walking home in ninety minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
But you leave your bike at the scene of the
car sure like sure none of it. Also, how do
you get how do you get back across town at night?
You can't get anywhere in ninety minutes in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
No, not even in a fucking car. I mean the traffic. Anyway,
that's great. That was really interesting. I never followed up
on that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Hopefully we'll hear more about it soon. They're trying to
make They were trying to make a documentary about it.
But yeah, they were having a lot of problems.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Well, it's funny because we're having a theme today. Oh really,
Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
What did the LAPD do?

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
The question mark? Really racial issues? What happened? Tampering, et cetera. Wow,
But first I have to pee.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Sorry, this is where the commercial will go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
So this is what I wanted to do for a while.
But it's scary to tackle because it's kind of big.
It's and it's every time I go back to look
into it, it's just like it's a lot. Okay, this
is the story of my Terce Richardson. Do you know
this one? You probably won't tell you. So seven, around

(01:06:00):
seven pm on the night of September seventeenth, two thousand
and nine, twenty four year old my Trees Richardson pulls
her Hontasivik into the parking lot of Jeffreys, which is
a fancy pants restaurant on the Pacific Coast Highway. Do
you know what I'm talking about? It's one of those
like Jeffreys. It's like super fancy fans like on the coast,

(01:06:22):
like on the coast in Malibu.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, it's very like it's spelled Joffrey, not Jeffrey, you
know what I mean. While she's there, from the valet
to ordering her food, interacting with other patrons, her behavior
is erratic and bizarre, but she wasn't threatening in anyway.
When the bill came for eighty nine fifty one, Matrisa

(01:06:47):
couldn't pay, so when she was confronted by staff, she
announced that she had come to avenge Michael Jackson's death.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Oh no, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Management decides to call the police, and they say, we
have a guest guest here who was refusing to pay
her bill, and we think she may she sounds really crazy,
she may be on drugs or something. But my Terce
Richardson wasn't on drugs. She's a twenty four year old,
smart and beautiful African American woman from South la She
had graduated from California State University Fullerton with a Bachelor

(01:07:21):
of Arts in psychology the year before, and at the
time she worked as an administrative assistant at a freight company.
But she wanted to work with children, and at the
time she volunteered as a mentor for at risk children
and worked with kids at a cheerleading camp. So it's
not really known why she was in Malibu, though, which

(01:07:41):
was forty miles from her home. They think maybe she
was visiting the campus of Pepperdine, which is right by
Jeffrey's you know to look at the campus.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
But just sorry side note, I told my mom when
I was a junior in high school that I wanted
to go to Pepperdine because my friend Jen Mason's older
sister Becky went there, and my mother laughed in my
face and said who's going to pay for that? Yeah,
because Pepperdine is insanely expensive. Volleyball College on the Beach.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Basically, it's Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
It's for the rich.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
It's for rich people, Okay, as is Joffrey's. Which is
how you build an eighty nine dollars dinner for one person.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I could do that at Apple Bee.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
I mean, let's be honest. I had a sixty dollars
lunch today with Vince, so let's be let's be realistic here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
I swear to God sometimes when I start, when I
get a pretzel as a as a appetizer, I could
just eat nine pretzels, do it? Okay? Cheese sauce, well,
I mean that's crucial. Yeah, I'm not going to eat
him dry?

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
What do I like?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Big and soft? And then have like a thing of
that cheese sauce?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Am I a monster mustard? I hate when they try
to get creative, Okay. I hate when they try to
be like this stupid aoli or whatever. No, no no,
and then oh, like a it's a mustard that's got
spicy honey in it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
No, no, just give me cheese sauce like they serve
it Apple.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
That's all we want. Anyone wants cheese soup, but we
can't and we know it because of polite society says,
it's not okay unless you're in like Wisconsin, right, So
give me a bread to dip it in it and be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Okay final pretended to dip.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Fine. Fine, It's the same thing with onion soup, Like
I just want to eat bread and cheese with a spoon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
But fine, you can put a little broth underneath it
whatever if you need me to be that fine, Okay. Sorry,
that was a real left turn.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Cheerleading camp. So they don't know why she was there,
but it seems that she was suffering at the time
of a previously undiagnosed manic episode, which is also evidenced
by her her Facebook posts recently, which were incoherent and rambling.
She said things like there are signs everywhere small with

(01:10:03):
a smiley face, and then another said I just want
to sleep lol. But you know me and my crazy ideas,
Let's see where they take me smiley face.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yeah, So that's like, did she not know she was manic?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
From what I can tell, No, and her mom, I
think they were all very surprised by it, by the
fact that this is They think that's what happened for sure,
but nobody knew what was going to happen. Yeah, it
seems like it was undiagnosed and unknown.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I'm sorry to ask this, but when when was this two.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Thousand and nine?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Oh wow?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah? Uh no, no one listens in the beginning of
what year it is? You know what I mean, It's
hard to focus. Yeah, I like get to the story.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Yeah, I settled out. I'm still thinking of steff. I said,
my story, my thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Two thousand and nine. Where were you two thousand? You
were near twenty ten? Oh my god. This is like
it's like we picked a theme for this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
It's so true. We didn't that weird chunk of time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
We're just like, it's like our periods are sync, but
our murders are sync, and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
It's all coming together in the red tent. Stevens.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Yeah, he's writing this one down because he's blushing so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
He's a certain period Sisters Sisters.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Signs. Three nights after that last post, she wrote, She's
at Jeoffrey's going through this shit. Three LA PD deputies arrive.
They call Matris's it's my trees, I believe, not Matries
My Trees's great grandmother who offers to pay the bill,
but she would have had a faxen image of her

(01:11:35):
credit card, which she wasn't able to do because who
the fuck has a fucking fax machine.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
In two thousand and nine?

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Don't you hate that? Yeah, So they were like, nope, sorry, grandma, sorry,
great grandma, you can't do this. They search her car
and they find a very small amount of marijuana, as
well as bottles of vodka and tequila and half a
case of beer. But they gave her a field sobriety
test and she passed. So I'm sorry, but the officers

(01:12:04):
could have placed Matrise in My Trees in an involuntary
psychiatric hold based on her odd behavior, but they said
that would have required a lot of paperwork and a
trip to the hospital, so instead they arrested her on
charges of suspicion of not paying for the meal and
possession of less than one ounce of marijuana, and they
took her to Lost Hills Police Department. I know, upon

(01:12:29):
her arrest, her phone, perse and money are locked in
her car and the car is towed to a towyard.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
What why are you get a need that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
After well, Lost Hills police department again, fancy pants police
department and a fancy pants part of Malibu, like really
nice area. It's the same station where mel Gibson was
taken after being pulled over for drunk driving and yelling
anti Semitic slurs. Same station, but they let him keep purse. Well, well,

(01:13:02):
they escorted him from Lost Hills to his toad car.
That because they treat famous and rich people, which is
what their neighborhood is, and white people. Remember in the
Big Lebowski, stay out of my beach community. He throws
a mugget big Lebowski's face. It's like that, yeah, yeah,
and stay out of my beach community. It's just like that. Unfortunately,

(01:13:25):
my race didn't receive the same treatment as a famous asshole.
My Teres's mother called the Lost Hill station around ten
pm and all of these phone calls you can hear
on YouTube and I fucking listen to them. Oh no,
she's asking if they're going to book her and release
her that night, and saying it's dark and she doesn't
have a car and I don't want her wandering, and

(01:13:46):
she's like, I'll come pick her up right now, but
if you keep her over night, that's fine, I'll get
her in the morning. I just want to know you're
not going to release her. And this woman is you know,
she's clearly upset, but she's just like, I don't know
what's happening. I'll deal with it. She's a together woman. Yeah,
she's the mother said, she's not from that area. And
I would hate to wake up to a morning report

(01:14:07):
saying girl lost somewhere and her head chopped off. But
the deputy assured my Teresa's mother not to worry. I
can't breathe, hold on, okay. But yet, at twelve thirty
in the morning, my terse, with only the clothes on
her back and without a purse, money, or her phone,
was released into the darkness and cold of the Santa

(01:14:30):
Monica Mountains. Why which you and I like, Let's let's
set the stage again from Beverly Hills to Santa Monica
Mountain in Malibu. It is fucking remote. It's huge houses
on a lot of land that butt up against the
Santa Monica Mountains, which are not pretty hiking trails, their
fucking wilderness.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Yeah, it scrub brush, it's there's no there's nothing commercial
around there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Because well that's what they said. Too, is nothing was
open at that point. All businesses are closed at close
like six.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Yes, and there's it's like even the businesses that are
there really few and far between. It's not like shopping
sent up and get Yeah, you have to basically be
down in the city of Malibu to be close to anything.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
And the Santa Monica Mountain is where all the mountain
lions live and it's really rocky and hilly. I went
to Jewish camp there and it was totally wilderness. I
mean it was not cute.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yes, it's not the city.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
No, it's really not. And this is a city girl
who had never been out in the wilderness like this.
So all businesses are closed. Public transportation doesn't really exist
out there. You know, they have like bus to the
shopping center and back, but not you know, real transportation.
And she's eleven miles from her car at the Malibu towyard.
The walk would have taken her up and down hills

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through a tunnel along the shoulder of a highway winding
through the mountains, which I fucking have driven there and
you get carsick just from driving. It's a crazy mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Also, I'll tell you this from my research eleven miles
Just so you know, it's thirteen miles from Beverly Hills
to downtown Los Angeles, so she would have had to
walk slightly less than that long all the way down sunset.
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
That's a day's walk. So when her mom calls it
next morning, she finds out that my trees had been released.
And I listened to the fucking message the call and
it's they're blowing the officers, blowing her off. And she's like,
how long do I have to wait to file a
missing her person's report? And he's like, well, wait a

(01:16:35):
couple hours and then call us back, like they're they're
very being, being very casual, and she's like, she doesn't
know the area, she didn't have anything on her, what
the hell's going on? And they were very flippant about it,
and we're like, let me try to track things down,
call me in a couple hours, which is like, can
you imagine waiting for your child for a couple hours.

(01:16:56):
And then and then she said, you know, I she's
another area and she's in a depressive state, so she
probably had some clue, you know, that something was triggering. Yeah,
So at five point thirty that morning, a homeowner in
Cold Canyon, which is right next to the actual Santa
Monica Mountain Canyon, called Lost Hills to say that there

(01:17:16):
was a prowler walking around. He told the dispatcher that
the prowler had been sitting kind of sprawled out on
these wooden steps in the back of the house, but
had disappeared into the surrounding wilderness. And other neighbors said
that they heard and saw my Treese either leaving or
attempting to enter the man's home, and that they heard
loud screams in a vacant home around the time that

(01:17:39):
she went missing. But they searched the area and didn't
find anything. And later they searched the area, they called
the police. I don't know if they came. That was
the last time my Trese was seen alive. She disappeared
into the Santa Monica Mountains and for five months the
Lost Hills she disappeared super crazy wilderness gone with only

(01:18:05):
her clothes that she had on, T shirt, jeans, sneakers.
So for five months, Lost Hills insisted that there was
no surveillance tape of the police station because they wanted
to see this, you know, like what happened, When did
she leave? What state was she in? But they miraculously
found the tape five months later, sitting on a desk.

(01:18:26):
According to My Teresa's mother, the tape shows her daughter
in an obvious psychology and obvious psychological distress inside the
intake towe. So she clutchs quote. She clutches at the
mesh screening and is rocking side to side like a
small child, says a cousin of hers. But a spokesperson
for the department said about releasing her, she exhibited no

(01:18:47):
signs of mental illness or intoxication. She was fine. She's
an adult, okay, but you don't let them go without
a fucking wall of her cellphone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah, none of this makes sense, Like, it doesn't add up.
Is she an adult then? What's like? Then? Why are
you treating her? Why would you lock her purse away?

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
And not answer questions to her parents?

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Okay, don't worry. It gets worse, Okay, I'm like it
always does. So the station flog shows that my Rise
made four phone calls to her grandmother, but AT and
C phone records don't reflect those calls for whatever reason.
So the surveillance tape also shows a deputy leaving the
station right after my rise was released, like leaving towards

(01:19:35):
where she was going. But the deputy maintained that he
wasn't at the station before the tapes were released. He
said he wasn't there that night. Then when he's caught
in his lie, he stated, the night this nonsense happened,
I was one of the guys that kept away from this,
minding my own business, which is like what that insinuates
that something was going on that you kept out of.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yes, well, also, it's your job to be at the
police station and take care of the people that are
at the police station. That's not nonsense, right, that's your
job of a person's in distress. This is the person
that is in mental distress.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Well, the nonsense could have been, you know, the actions
police took when she got there, whatever happened to her there,
If anything happened to her there, I'm speculating. So that's
the nonsense he could have been talking about, you know
what I mean. So three, it wasn't hew three months
later January twenty ten, that Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department

(01:20:38):
conducted so three months later conducts one of the largest
scale searches in the history of the department. Over three
hundred volunteers trained in search and rescue participate in the
eighteen square mile search of the area of Malibu Canyon
and the hills of Malibu Creek State Park. They find
racially and sexually offensive graffiti on the walls of a

(01:20:59):
culvert in the canyon. The graffiti was freshly painted, and
the paint, hands, brushes, and other potential evidence was left
at the scene, and Matrise wasn't found. Finally, almost a
year after she disappeared from the station, in August twenty ten,
park rangers who were looking to see if marijuana growers
had returned to Dark Canyon, they stumble on my Teresa's naked,

(01:21:21):
mummified body. She was in a very secluded creek bed
in Malibu Canyon, with the clothes she was wearing the
night she disappeared scattered around.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Oh, so they had been taken off of Yeah, or
she took them off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Now here's the most fucked up thing. Okay, Okay. Deputies,
by a protocol, should have waited for the coroner to
arrive so that my Teresa's remains could be photographed. The
site inspected for clues and the crime scene established instead
against orders by the coroner, who later said that he
quote was very clear with officials. The deputies bagged Richardson's

(01:21:58):
remains in airline to them by helicopter. WHOA, before the
corner could even get there, WHOA, this is okay. The
corner said that he could not think of another case
in which police agency had moved entire skeletal remains without
corner's approval. To prove this point. Months later, my Teresa's
mother so I can so this is proof my Teresa,

(01:22:21):
how badly it was done. My Teresa's mother was visiting
the site where her body, where her daughter's body was found,
and found a fingerbone that belonged to my Teres left
behind in the dessert, in the dessert, in the dirt.
Oh my god, I think there's an article that they're
with her and they find.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
That that's that's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Finds in the spot oh look, and digs out of
fucking finger bone that have been left behind because the
proper people didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Did they eventually prove it really was hers? Yeah, it
was hers for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
And there have also been small toebones, finger and vertebrae
found left behind and also the bones from her neck.
There's bones from her neck, foot in hand missing from
her body, her remains.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
So what, Yeah, the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
This is such a crazy case because I followed it
step by step, So her leaving, I was like what happened?
And everyone was like what could have happened to her?
And then you see the surveillance video and you're like, oh,
that's some shady shit. Then they find her body and
then the bones are fucked. It's just like it just
keeps getting worse. So the disturbance made it so that

(01:23:32):
the corner was enabled to determine how she died.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Right, I think that would be the idea.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Right, And the jeans, belt, and black braw that were
discovered a few free from her body. They were found,
but they were not tested for signs of foul play
and were buried along with her, so they weren't tested
for any DNA, any you know, ripping or anything that
would have uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
This is like that thing. It just reminds me of
like it where you don't know what things you need
to be in place until you realize they're not in place.
So it's like once a corner tells, people don't move
that body and the police airlift the body away. Shouldn't
then those police be frozen in no longer they're no

(01:24:21):
longer active duty in this case, because they're clearly hiding
something like there should be protocol for the corner to
then go to some other police chief.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Yeah, and this is where so this article I was
gonna I got a lot of them from it. It's
a Newsweek article by Alexander Nazarian who this article is
really great because he talks a lot about the LAPD
corruption and why this could have taken place. And they're
like rampant racism that was going on at the time
to a point where you know, the second in command

(01:24:54):
is going to prison for fifteen years because of corruption.
So it's incredibly corrupt. There's like, you know, rampant anti
anti rampant racism. And so he tells I don't talk
about it a lot in this, but he tells background
of why this is so obvious and you know, could

(01:25:15):
have happened this way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
When you and I think most people that are into
true crime watched the the ESPN thirty by thirty of J.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Simpson.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yeah, that part of the Darrel Gates era of the
LAPD was so shocking an eye opening to me. And
it going all the way back to the riots in
the sixties. It's just so crazy how long this has
been a humongous problem in Los Angeles. That is never

(01:25:51):
that it hasn't been solved or even derased addressed.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Yeah, no, for sure. And it's it's not not happening anymore,
you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
It hasn't changed at all.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
No, No, it's just hidden better. And you know, we've
we've put a band aid over some of the things
to make it look less horrifying, but it's still there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Well. And also it's just the it's the rationalism, the
justification of using the violence and the crime that happens
in the day to day to then justify any behavior
on the part. I mean, it's just it sucks. I've plenty.
I have a bunch of people who are police people
in my family. I'm not anti police. It's down to

(01:26:36):
the person, though, especially in this day and age, it's
down to the person because there's because it's just such
a it's like such a closed you know, like it's
a frat basically.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Well, yeah, and in LA and I'm sure a lot
of other cities specifically, the cards are stacked against you
if you're not white and you don't have money, yes,
and you're you know, the hearts are stacked against you.
You don't start at zero sum, yes at all? Yeah,
And I yeah, I don't, you know, I don't want

(01:27:10):
to forget that as someone who lives here and knows
that I'm fucking privileged as shit to be where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Well, and also just we don't have to think about
totally how bad it could be. I mean, this is like,
this is like saying you can't be mentally ill or
you will just be almost literally thrown to the bulls, right,
it's insanity. Yeah, And what did happen to her at
that police station?

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Then it opens up that whole door.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
The mental illness thing is incredible because it's like you
should have taken her and admitted her for psychiatric treatment
because she was mentally unstable and unsound to make her
own decisions. And not only did you not do that
and keep her in prison or keep her in jail
until her mother could come or someone could come, you
let her out without money, without a jacket, without any

(01:28:02):
You knew she wasn't going to get anywhere it's not
like she could have hitchhiked. I mean, she didn't hitch hike,
and that's what happened, but it's they're still culpable, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Well yeah, Also what's the if you know? See, that's
the thing is this isn't just a random person that
they don't know and like, well, too bad for you
and you're an adult. There's someone contacting you, telling you
what the situation is, telling you their concerns, and you
still do the thing against that person's wishes. That's what
makes leads me to believe something else was taking place,

(01:28:31):
because why would you hide? Why would you say we
just let her go and she left and it's not
our problems an adult that it makes that feels like
cover up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Well, it's so crazy. The mom specifically was like she
doesn't know the area and I don't want her to
get killed. But what's so frustrating to me listening to
the tape of her mother calling is like this feeling
of nobody. Like I think a lot about when you
call the cops and they don't help you, what do
you You can't call the cops again? Like that's her last, Yes,

(01:29:01):
that's your last. That's supposed to be. The last option
is you call the cops and they help you. Yeah,
but it's so sad to be Like the moment the
minute they told her to wait two hours and she
hung up the phone, I picture her in her house
and her family having to wait two hours. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah,

(01:29:22):
and she's not a runaway, you know, you let you guys,
let her out, and the minute they're like oh shit,
they're then they're culpable and they're open for her. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Also, it doesn't make sense because it's like, oh, if
you're gonna treat this person like oh there, look, she
went to a restaurant. She ate eighty dollars worth of
food and she couldn't pay for it, and we arrested her. Okay,
got it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Yeah, all of.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
That makes sense to me. Yeah, you're it is illegal
to do that thing, and they're but there, then you
learn there are extenuating circumstances and it so clearly it
wasn't that big of a crime to you if you
just released her. The next line, right, so you didn't there,
This isn't you're not holding her for a robbery or

(01:30:02):
what would that be. You're not holding her. That's not stealing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Well, when I when I was a teenage you no,
like in seventh grade and got caught stealing, you know,
they give you a ticket, like, they ticket you like
cop would, Yeah, and you move on. You know. Yeah,
it's like, well, why didn't that just happen? Well, it's
because they then searched her car and found.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
You know, but then they're not holding her for drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
They're not because she took a sobriety test and she passed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah. Fuck, it doesn't. It's just like, you can't you
can't justify the police action in this because nothing is
adding up to this is a criminal, and so we
treated her like a criminal. It's like, may you know
this is a person, This is say, a criminal who

(01:30:52):
ate eighty dollars worth of food that she couldn't pay
for in a manic episode, and then people do way
crazier shit.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Well, yeah, talked about Alsa lamb and how that could
have been how she gotten the water tank, which you know,
if you compare these two cases, it's like, yeah, you
do crazy shit when you're going through a manic episode. Yes,
but also the lost I feel like you're talking about
we're talking about a police department or a police Yeah,

(01:31:20):
a police department Lost Hills that deals mostly with rich
white people upset about something. They don't know how to
deal with something like this, and so they I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
so that I think that makes a big difference. It's
not like it was, you know, the Hollywood Police Department,
which also wouldn't have been as big of a deal

(01:31:41):
because if they let her ount in Hollywood, she'd have
fucking places to go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Well, and also I would think that they would be
much more used to dealing with people with mental illness
the Hollywood Police Department. Like there's that one on Wilcox
that's just like never not hopping totally day and night.
There's somebody pulling in or pulling out of that because
that's my that's my sneak up to get out of
Hollywood and go home.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Don't tell anyone the sneaks Willcox.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
That's my snake at Wilcox. Man, that's like that's the
North South Fountain. Yeah, but totally. But I mean, like
you're right, it's like it's almost like a privileged police
department because they don't have that much happening there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
So they don't have experience with these sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
And when they do, it's like some crazily rich, drunk
white woman or Mel SAEs who's like fuck you, or
mel Gibson who or I think didn't. Also, they pull
over Beese with thespin and she said, do you know
who I am?

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
I'm pretty sure that happened in Malibou anyway. Whatever. That's
that kind of thing of like everyone's kind of living
up to this certain So it's suddenly like, oh, there's
a black girl that ate ate food she couldn't pay for.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
And she's acting a little bonkers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Yeah, so now we're going to treat her like the
criminal she is. Well, okay, but then that means you
would that that would mean process her in a criminal
way that keeps her safe at past that the thing
of the mom going please don't let her go.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
That's just.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
We have to get plumbers. So my beautiful new house
is now having plumbing problems.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Is everybody?

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
They don't know, But I hope that's not a ghost.
It's just plumbing problem. It just suddenly starts like like
it's about to overflow with.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Like fucking with racial tension.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
All right, yes, all of that is correct. They find
her body all these bunds are missing, they can't determine
how she died, and then her shit's not tested for
foul play. Okay, then there's no explanation given for why

(01:33:49):
investigators were never able to find her Vans sneakers or
her T shirt that she was wearing when she disappeared.
Her jeans, bell, and black bra were there, which is
like you could be like, well, animals came and got them,
but it's like, why would they pick a pair of
shoes and a T shirt and not all this other
stuff and her body wasn't messed with. It's not right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Also, that makes me think of I did those stories
about the deaths on mountain Hood. I mean was no
Crater Lake, the Crater Lake stories that I did in Portland,
and one of them there was a guy that they
found his body like years later, and it was a
skeleton sitting in jeans, Like jeans don't just come off.

(01:34:36):
It's not that animals can't take your jeans off.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Right right, Yes, animals can't take your jeans off, is
what Steven's writing down right now, I can tell don't
think about what he's sorry, sorry, sorry sorry, We need
like a booth to put him in where we can't
see him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
But also going back to the Lisa Lamp thing, she
took her clothes off too, right, that's the thing that
happened Stamanic people.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Yeah, and you know, I think another thing people don't
understand is how fucking cold it gets in the I
know La is like warm all the time, but in
the mountains in LA and especially in Malibu by the
ocean next to the ocean, really fucking cold. It's cold.
So maybe she was having hypothermia, which is a thing
that they take their clothes off. But then why wouldn't
they have found the rest of them, you know, traced

(01:35:21):
her the trail she took and found the other stuff. Okay,
my Teresa's parents have maintained that their daughter should never
have been released on her own by the Sheriff's Department.
They filed several lawsuits against the Los Angeles County Sheriff's
Department for releasing her from jail, even though they claim

(01:35:41):
she was experiencing severe bipolar disorder at the time. In
twenty eleven, they won a civil lawsuit against the county. However,
two reports by the Office of Independent Review found the
LAPD not culpable from my Teresa's death deeming it was
not it was not a homicide and there was no

(01:36:02):
foul play, then why.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Do they airlift the fucking body against the corner's wishes?

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
And the corner couldn't say how she died, So how
can you definite, definitively say it was a homice it
was not a homicide?

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Yeah, because yeah, you don't gave that report.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Yeah, well you don't have the neck buns to test
to see if she was choked to death because you
fucking left them behind.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Yeah it's months later. Yeah, the body has been out
there for months.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Yeah. Sorry, Yeah, no, So.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
I'm yelling at you. You're the one that told me
the story.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
And they also clear they were also cleared of any
wrongdoing in how to how it handled the discovery of
her remains, So they were like, and also, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Okay, uh Ron's great.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Rhonda Hampton, who's the woman that Alexander Nazarian from the
Newsweek article it like kind of goes around with and
interviews her. She was a psychologist at one time in
an office where my Teresa had interned, So she's really
devoted to finding answers. She's just this really awesome woman.
She filed a dozen complaints about the various deputies involved

(01:37:10):
in my Teresa's case. Nine of these were registered with
the Internal Criminal Investigations Bureau. But they are treating them
as instead of let's see, they're treating them as service complaints,
not matters of potential criminality, which is like they're just
belittling them, you know, or yeah, minimizing them. On December

(01:37:32):
thirty of twenty sixteen, which is recently, results of the
criminal investigation into the handling of my Teresa's case concluded
that there was insufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution of
anyone involved in the handling of the case, and either way,
the statute of limitations for concealment or tampering of evidence
like the surveillance tapes had passed.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Wow the end, I mean that sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Yeah, that's just straight up fittastic and I mean pock man.
So that was a theme of the day of sucktastic shit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
It's almost well, it's like rich cop rich police departments
getting caught doing what they want and covering it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
And not getting any kind of not getting in trouble
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Yeah, that's the thing about opening the door to prosecuting
police then opens the door. It I understand that, thinking
that it opens this door to like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Anybody, but yeah, it's like it goes deeper and deeper
and you know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Still it has to get solved because there is such
It's like it's the most natural thing in the world,
the exploitation of power. It's like you give a man
a gun and say, you have the legal right to
use this on whoever you want, you know, to your discretion.
Is so much power for one person to have a

(01:39:14):
man or woman or whoever.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
They're just people. They're people like you and me that
just are now police like they're not. They're my neighbor,
they're like any old dude, they're your fucking ex boyfriend, girlfriend,
they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
And they are also people who are being traumatized by
what they see in the streets every day or like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
What's it called when you just stop caring about it apathy?

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Yeah, yeah, but there's like real things going on. Did
you ever watch Southland? It was such a good show. No,
such a good show. My good friend Sean Hattisy was
one of the stars and he was the best. But
there was a character on it that used to take
a ton of pills because he had like an on

(01:39:58):
the job injury, but he didn't want he couldn't go
out on disability, so he was just in tons of
pain all the time and then just taking tons and
tons of like pain killers. And it just is like
it was just the most fascinating, Like it's there's a
why behind all of this and needs to get analyzed
and it needs to get fixed. And that's like part

(01:40:19):
of it is that where it's just like you're going
out there, you're in pain, You're you deal with the
worst society has to offer every single day as your job,
and you have.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
To make split second decisions on what's gonna happen to
who and why? Yeah, and you you have to stand
behind those or else you're gonna look weak and your
whole department's gonna look weak.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Yeah, and you can't. Yeah, it's just it's it's it's rough.
I do have a good piece of news. If we
could we could actually finish this on like an up tick.
Which is kind of interesting because again on the LAist,
I saw an article this morning that the LAPD is

(01:41:02):
revising their use of force policy with an eye toward
de escalation.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Oh my god, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
Can you fucking believe that? Shit?

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
That's that's the word that needs to be in place.
Constantly escalation.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
You can do that, so it said. On Tuesday, the
Los Angeles Police Commission approved a revised and I'm trying
to read this article and someone calling me?

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
Who was it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
I almost I almost picked it up. I have to
text somebody now. Now I have to wait till they
stop calling me so I can go back to my thing.
So who calls anybody?

Speaker 1 (01:41:42):
I mean, okay, okay, we'll.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Come back in here on Tuesday, the Los Angeles Please,
don't you dare That's real. I was bragging about getting calls.
On Tuesday, the Los Angeles Police Commission approved a revised
use of force policy that favors d escal over use
of deadly force. The new policy requires officers to try

(01:42:05):
and de escalate situations using non lethal force whenever possible
before firing their guns. That's a huge step somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
It always blows my mind when, yeah, it always blows
my mind when someone a cop shoots to kill someone
when you could have just shot them in the shoulder
or in the knee or anywhere. You don't have to
shoot them in the head, Like on those feeless boulevard
near where we live, like not a few months ago,
some guy I don't know what he was doing, but

(01:42:34):
cops shot him right in the fucking head. Yeah. And
it's like if you thought he was he was burglarizing someone,
he definitely didn't have a weapon. Just shoot him in
the fucking knee. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Yeah. There just needs to be more tools, Yeah, more options,
I think. Ever, it's it's becoming such a like all
or nothing. Yeah, I mean, who knows, I don't know.
I'm just saying from what I read and these reports
and the fact that you know these videos that go
up where it's like the cop that just there was
a jay walker? Did you see that? It's just another one.

(01:43:07):
It's a video that during all the other horrible things
that are happening, people are going, can we please retweet
this and make this a story too, because it's a
guy that's jaywalking. The cop comes and just fucking cold
cox him and gets him on the ground and just
starts beating the ship.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
King.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
It's that stuff where it's just like that stuff has
to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
And that's that one guy who was a fucking piece
of shit. You know, it's not like that. Unfortunately he
represents the entirety of his you know, tired of police.
But it's probably this fucking asshole and maybe his partner's like, Jesus,
I've been warning them that this guy's insane or whatever.
I mean. It's just it's awful, I know. So yeah,

(01:43:51):
can I I'll tell you a thing. It's funny. Uh So,
Vince sent me this article today. This why this ex
wife of her husband's dying of cancer. It's not funny.
And he's like a couple of days away from dying.
He's kind of out of it, and she wanted him

(01:44:12):
to die with a happy thought in his head. So
she told him that Trump had been impeached. I almost
hearted crying when I heard that, because it's not sweet.
And he believed it, and he was like, Okay, I'm
so glad to hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
And then he died.

Speaker 1 (01:44:28):
And you really so touching. But it's also so awful.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
It's it's where we're at, hey, man, it is where
we're at.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Making the best of it by talking about murder, We're
doing it. Happy birthday, Stephen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Happy birthday, Stephen. Please do something about police corruption as
soon as you can in your thirties.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
Did you please? You have one job? Stop police corruption? Please,
can we please? And thank for listening you guys. You're
fucking gorgeous people with beautiful souls and hearts.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Thank you so much, and stay sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
And don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
Oh Elvis, Elvis, do you cut this part where we're
just talking and he doesn't come sometimes? Elvis, you want
to cook key? Oh, come on, Elvis, you want to
cook key. Oh he's just a dick about it now,
he won't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
He waited till he got to the mic.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Elvis, you want to cook he.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Yeah, all right there it is cookie.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Good boy. Me, Me go to sleep, Stay sleeping