65 - Pre-Milked Cereal

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Should we podcast? Are these the new mics?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hm?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, that's podcast. Okay, that's a podcast so early in
the day the podcast. Does in this podcast feel like
we should do it at night?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes, this is definitely a nocturnal podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, like with lights off.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Should we shut some stuff down? Maybe make it spooky?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Should we?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Should you get your central system to shut it all? Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
You know the clappers the entire because I'm rich, nothing happened.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh, hi, guys, this is my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
That's Karen Kilgaraff and.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
That's your it's a hard stark. We're here to talk
to you about true crime.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Are you ready? Are you ready for this? We haven't
planned any of this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
No, not at all, although it did have a kind
of a lilting, choreographed quality. That's just how we naturally
are with each other.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
That's just us. That's us. We don't write anything down,
we don't prepare in any way.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
We're just like the TV show This is Us, that's us,
same exact thing. No, I'm sure it's great though, speaking
of TV. Oh, that's a good segue. Yes, we wrote that,
we rehearsed.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Oh it just turns out. Oh, that's weird. I just
got real TV again after like moving in and being
like we don't need TV, let's just we'll just do
Roku and blah blah blah, and all these things didn't work. No,
And I was like, I just want to turn like
a food show on while I stuff it Tamali into
my mouth in the middle of the day. Yeah, Like
I don't want to have to be boop up and
find the thing and then like watch the thing. Yeah,

(01:58):
you just want to watch TV for five minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
You want to dive into the stream of TV that's
already happening as opposed to hunt out specific because I
find when I go hunt out specific things, I don't
like it when I find like it makes me go, oh,
I don't actually like this.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Like my food gets cold well because I can't eat
in silence. I have this problem with that.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
H me too.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
So yeah, it's like you're scrolling like fine, I can
watch an episode of or like five minutes of Friends
while I fucking eat this tomali again. The I mean,
let's be honest. I mean cereal for lunch was tamali?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
The choice you made Like this will impress people.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
No, because they're frozen Tomali's from Trader Joe's, those ones
that are like that, I just heat up and put
salsa on and then I'm like they're half cold.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
The way you just said that made it sound like
you're like, fine, I'll admit it, I'm eating Cereal. I
want you to think I'm sitting here eating Tamali's made Tomali's.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Okay, fine, it's not made cereal, you know, like I
like to do. But you made it yourself, right, Yeah,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
That prepackaged, pre milked Cereal real gross, pre milk, pre milked.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I said it, what if you what was it? Like
powdered milk and you pour water into it and it's
like Cereal, And I bet the Army has that, Yeah,
I bet they do.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
So it's like there's powdered milk and then there's Cereal
and then there's a little capsule of water and then
you break it and there's like.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
A fucking like shitty spoon attached to the whole thing.
It's part of the thing. You break, you freaking thing.
Stephen trademark That wait, that.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Just reminds me so Guy, our friend Guy Brandham, How
to pass over Cedar Satyr satyr. Fuck, I do it
wrong every time?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
What if he just had a pass over cedar tree
in his house.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I that's how I remembered it that way. I thought
Sator because Sator's like the animal, like the you know,
a guy with goat legs.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Really Sata s a t y r.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know, they play the weird heart anyhow, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Wait ran him, how is it? He?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
It was, of course lovely, he writes. Basically like a
whole play. Everyone at the table has parts and you
have to like follow along and you say the prayers.
But then there's other things and we play games. It's
hilarious and really fun. But at one point he served quail.
He served quail, and I was eating it and then

(04:19):
I flicked out the tiniest wishbone and then I did
the I was sitting next to guy named Matt, who
was super cool, who's a writer that I now know,
and so we snapped the wishbone and I fucking won.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I got my wish man. I haven't had a wish
one since I was a kid, probably at a satyr,
But like that makes me so excited.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's not funny, and it was a tiny one because
it was from a quail, so it was like it
flicked out and then I was like, hold on a second,
I think I just found a wishbone.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
It was like that kid, the email from fucking animal
ris activists, Karen, you know the wishbone was part of
this animal's life and happiness.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
That's right now, it's part of my happiness because it's
going to bring me my wish. Give it.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
What was your wish? Tell us?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
We won't tell anyone because then it won't come true. Right,
that's not a thing, just eternal love.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
No, it's not gonna come true.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well did you drink me?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Did you eat a filter fish?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:15):
That's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Uh, it wasn't served. He did so every year he
does a different theme. It's not standard traditional Jewish food.
So it was Syrian food.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
It was a series of dishes that one more delicious
than the next.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Series of Syrian food.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
A series of cerious.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Series of Syrian serving No, forget it, No, you had it.
I like, well, there's Syrian Jews. I mean, that's cool.
Are there? Yeah? Tell me about them. I have never
met them, but I'm sure they're there. I bet they are. Okay,
that's amazing. Television. Yeah, and speaking of you need you
really quickly plug the Guy Brenham TV show that you're on. Oh,

(05:59):
that's about TV and Guy Brenham. It's so funny and
that and again, what a great segue. I mean, thanks
for remembering your line yet to what we're actually talking about.
It's all scripted if we never actually the segues are great,
but they never talk.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
About Yeah, they just lead us away from topics. That's
why people hate this podcast. I am on a television
show called talk show, the game Show. Guy Branham is
the host. He's also our legal representative, but he is
also a talk show host on a game show on
True TV network. It's Wednesday night's at ten o'clock. Two

(06:34):
episodes have already played. Tomorrow night will be the third episode.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Is that Friday night? Or Wednesday night?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Wednesday night?

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Shoot, so last night? Yeah, so next week whatever should always.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I'm sure that they're playing it. I've seen it constantly.
They're playing it over and over. Yeah, I bet they
repeat it.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
And but but I wish this was earlier because I
think this they're like now, it's all they're watching the
ratings to see if they're gonna pick it up.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Please everyone day such an alarm clocks.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I guess I'll tweet about it. But anyway, anyway, so.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
TV, I got TV finally, and then I watched the
which means I get all access to fucking ID and
you know, dateline all this shit, and everyone's like, did
you watch Casey? Like three part Casey Anthony thing right?
And so I was like, all right, this is my job.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I'm going to do this, and can I just say
I saw those tweets and questions and hey, watch this
and whatever, and I purposely don't watch anything about Casey Anthony.
I don't like that. I don't find anything in that story.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I was just going to say that we really just
don't get a shit about her.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
I don't want to know. I don't want to know
because I hate that story so much.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Me too, And I was gonna say I just fucking
couldn't watch it, like I know, it's like my job
and I should watch it and talk about it. I
was just like, fuck this count man, she just sucks
so hard. But I don't understand why she is.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
This the glamorization of female criminals in that way where
it's like, so she's a young hot girl that has
a child that went to a party and maybe killed
her child. But like, are we reporting about her right
more than other people because she's like a skinny white
girl that was like at a party. Is it the

(08:19):
same thing as that other girl that killed her boyfriend
that right?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I think they get lumped together a lot. I think
what it is is the coldheartedness in which like it
just she's such a deep, deep narcissist, uh huh that
it's hard to watch, Like her jails tell, you know,
conversations with her parents where, you know, when she first
gets arrested is like me, me, me, me, me, not

(08:44):
my daughter's dead. There's nothing about like my baby is dead.
It's like I can't believe this is happening to me,
and this isn't fair. I mean, it's just like her
poor parents have to come to the realization that they
raised a piece of shit narcissist who killed what could
have been a not pieces of shit narcissister grandchild, and

(09:05):
now they like have to stick with her. It's almost
like this thing of this is all we have leftist
to stick with this kid, the one who sucked.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I can't tell if it's because I haven't had enough
diet coke today.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
But I feel.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Nauseous right now talking about her like she that It
makes me no, because there's other cold hearted bitches in
the world, but this is like saying, let's pay more
attention to her because she weighs ninety seven pousids. I
just hate the nancy grace of it all for this
particular story. And it's the same one with the other
one where I was always like, why we yes, why

(09:40):
are we talking about her? And it's the same thing.
It's this kind of like, can you believe this hot bitch?
Is this much of a cun Basically?

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Can you believes?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Who fucking new?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
There's so many different types of counts out there.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, it's like, can you believe not hot bitches are funny? Yes?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Because that's what they fucking needed to do. Yeah, that's
the standard. Actually, yeah, that's that's the most common is
we're not hot, that's why we're funny. We didn't grow up.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I'm not talking to you.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I meant that for I didn't mean that in an
accusatory way.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Ok, you should see some photos of me as a kid,
because you ain't wrong. Oh my god, I got a
perm and I embraces anyways, Yeah, so Casey Anthony, no thanks,
stupid idiot.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Awful, it's just sad and then awful. There's nothing in
there that I go, oh, this is fascinating. Yeah, I
just go this is a tragedy.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it's ugly rough. I wrote, shit down. Do
you have any what do you want to Oh?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I do Well, this is I wanted to read you
because I read this this morning on Twitter. Uh they said, Uh,
there's a I guess a website called last and it
basically is all the stuff around La Las.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Oh I love La s.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, they do it in all different cities. Surely it's
owned by Rupert Murdoch or someone like that. But it
brings me my local news. And the headline this morning
was dead body found in car parked in Filipino Town.
And let me just this is a short thing I
will read you. A body was discovered inside a vehicle
parked in the middle of the street along the three

(11:21):
hundred blocks of Westlake Avenues.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
That stopped.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's well, turns out they people found it at two
ten in the morning. The body of a male Hispanic
in his thirties was found in the back seat of
a black Hyundai. It had an Uber sticker. It's believed
to have been towed to that location that it was
discovered at, not driven toad there. A spokesman woman for

(11:47):
the LAPD said told a lash.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
My mouth is just I'm not being quiet. My mouth
has just dropped open.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's crazy that the department cannot confirm these claims. That
detectives and the corner are continuing there the gation of
the case. So basically this is what probably they got
the scoop on the scene, but no one's gonna confirm.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Or never gonna hear about it again. That's what's so
crazy about these things that you hear about.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I And then there's just a couple tweets of the
pictures of the car sitting there with the cops.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
All around it. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
But the idea, it's uh so scary. I've been taking
Uber over and over for the past couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
My first thought is that he's a driver, right right.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yes, me too. Yeah, and someone put him in the
back seat after killing him.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh my dad's about to start driving Uber, so that
ain't happening anymore. Oh yo, Yeah, he used to be
a taxi driver in like North Hollywood. Marty was yeah,
and like down the street from where he was like
parked waiting late at night to get his next call.
Some dude, some cab driver got shot in the back
of the head from the back of the seat and

(12:53):
he's like quitting. Yeah, So now he's seeing you becoming
uber driver and it's like, fuck, dude, either gonna have
a really great story stories to tell, or you're going
to be parked in the middle of fucking Filipino town.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well, who knows. I mean, like, who knows. I want
to hear about this story so bad, it's so crazy.
I thought that's a that's Banana's Like what I want
the story? Yeah, the bo oh. I have a podcast
recommendation corner.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
So this podcast called The Vanished, which obviously talks about
people who vanished. It's like a true crime podcast. I mean,
let me explain this to you.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
No, I needed a little bit of an underline, don't worry.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
So they have this one episode. Oh, I forgot what
number it is, but it's the episode uh called the
Mimi Lewis Story. Mem Oh, no, what number is a stave?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
In?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
No, it's called the Memi Lewis story, and it's really
incredible because it's not about it's about this girl, Mimi Lewis,
who vanished wo was fourteen, but it's the whole episode
is a conversation with this woman named Sandy Roberts who
runs this nonprofit called Halo's Investigation where they try to
find missing teens and they're like, their mission is to

(14:11):
stop getting the label runaway put on teens and juveniles
who to disappear. Yeah, and it's it's a really good episode,
especially for parents, like of teenagers and young kids about
what like how this happens, What happens, how they're lured
the internet and they're they're saying, she's saying, let's stop

(14:32):
saying that they're runaways and let's start saying that they
were lured away, which is like suddenly makes you care
so much more because it's this like automatic thing of
when you're like, oh, she ran away, then she deserves
whatever happened to her. Yeah, but it's like, no, if
someone manipulated her and you know, you know that kind
of thing, and she was having a hard time at

(14:53):
home and you know, and was lured away. And there's
like a bunch of stuff about sex trafficking and what
that means, which is I mean, it's a really good episode. Wow,
that's very cool. Yeah, it kind of moved me a lot.
And that's vanished, vanished, the vanished, it's the Mimi Lewis episode.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Cool. Yeah, Oh, my sister sent me. So, my sister
is a big creeper on the Facebook page. She likes
to go in there and look around silently and secretly,
and then she'll text me things that she sees and
likes on there, and this.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Is vetting it for you exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
And so this one was the day after the Milwaukee show,
and she sent me a text that said, this made
me tear up a little look at the amazing community
you guys created, and and then it said, uh, went
to see the MFM last went to see MFM last
night in Milwaukee. My friend and I went to get
dinner beforehand, and it was like Murderino's descended on Milwaukee.

(15:52):
It was the best ever. Basically, everyone we passed, I
would whisper, shoot, I would whisper to my friend, they're
totally hare for the show. Definitely a Murderino. When we
were at bars before and after, you slowly watched groups
growing larger and larger as separate groups would realize that
we are all were Murderinos and join together. Why can't

(16:13):
that that be the normal bar scene. That would be
a dream. Thank you Karen and Georgia and all. I
think it cuts off at the bottom it says I
think it says all Murderinos everywhere. But I love that
so much because actually, we didn't create this community. You
guys have created it for yourselves, and it's we're just

(16:35):
up here kind of like reading these stories and recording
these podcasts. But you guys are the boots on the
ground that are like, every time we have a VIP
meet and greet after a show, people will tell us.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I met THEMB in line.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
I now I'm hanging out with that girl, like it's
the cutest thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I think that's what the live shows have done, probably
the most for us, is make us like, actually, see
all of these people who are like the shows are
so positive, and I'm always like, people are like, I'm
scared to go alone, and it's like, no, You're gonna
meet one hundred fucking cool people that are your friends.
It's just such a cool thing. And I'm it's not
and it's not like they all get together because of

(17:12):
our podcast. They get together over their love of true crime,
which we all feel so in the dark about because
you're not supposed to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
And then it's people I think who aren't really the
types of people like it's like somebody like me, who
I'm not going to be the kind of person's like, hey,
what are you interested in? I'm always like arms crossed.
And I think when people they it's a you know,
I just a second ago said it's so cute, and
that's the worst. I hate that word. I don't know
why I used it, because what it really is is

(17:41):
a very empowering cool like it's almost like skipping over
It's almost like a weird tinder for friends where you
don't have you go, oh, I know this person already. Yeah,
I don't have to like make excuses or pretend I
don't like a thing. I like, yeah, I already have
this thing in common. And then we go from there,
which is very cool. Yeah, and it's just to us,

(18:04):
it's just a it's thrilling to be able to be
a part of this thing that you guys are doing.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Definitely this is listen. We didn't know this would be
a thing.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Hey, listen, Hey, listen, listen, listen and learn, listen and
kind of learn. We didn't know, and we fucking love it.
And we're so so proud of you.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Least, we're proud of you. We're grateful, we're.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Proud of you for going to shows and getting into
the mix.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, thank you for supporting us. Hey, is it birthday corner?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh, it is birthday corner?

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Is it birthday corner, Steven?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's right, it's Stephen's birthday corner.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Stephen's birthday corner. Hi, Stephen, it was.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I thought you were gonna give it a good high Hi,
say hi birthday boy.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's like we're at TGI Fridays and he knows that
someone's about to come. We're all just like, oh, it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Come, so worst feeling, or you're waiting for that sombrera
to get thrown down.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And we're done that to someone whose birthday it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh shit, you that's twisted.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Can I tell it? Well, I won't tell it now
because we're trying to give a birthday greeting. But one
time people did that and they were talking about me
before I came back from the bathroom and I thought
they were talking shit about me, and I started crying
and then they were like and then I just sat
down at the table like full pouting, and everything got
super uncomfortable, and then it was like happy. But when

(19:31):
I realized what.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
It was, we were actually doing the nice that's like,
so shows you what your brain does. W's incorrect.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, when you're in a bad situation.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Already about such.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
It's like, okay, anyway, anyways.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Femen, it's about Stephen, it's about you. Here's one second.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Here's the thing in the car. Yeahs a big things.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
You're just presenting Stephen with his birthday gift from us.
It's organic and we're making you open.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
It on on camera.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
So much pressure on camera.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
There's so much pressure to like this.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
I can do it with one hand. Okay, there's cat
fur on the tape. It's great, perfect part of the present.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
They wanted to add something, that's what they Oh I
didn't add.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's all they could afford, it, says California six Woods.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Mall, No, don't give them a shout out. We paid
for this.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I'll cut that out.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
I'll cut that.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Out, Stevens. It's organic whiskey. That's so cool. Oh my gosh,
my favorite.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, open the card though, and it cards the important and.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Whiskey, my favorite, organic whisky.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
My favorite.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's vegan, gluten free whiskey with a bear on the front.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's also non alcoholic. We help about that. We're worried
about you. It's just this is an intervention.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, my gosh, should read it. Yeah, okay, we want
Dear Stephen, thank you so much for everything. We've donated
three hundred dollars, Oh my gosh to Santy Door in
your name, because you know you love the kiddies. Happy birthday,
Karen and Georgia. Oh thank you.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Santa Door is a really great catch. Not I don't
want to call it shelter rescue, cat rescue down close
in our neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, it's, oh my god, but you love Yeah. Yeah,
I've done done work with them before.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
The Christy Keith has been on my podcast, The per Crese.
This is so amazing. Yeah, it's like, because I've seen
that you can do that, you can like basically like, yeah,
sponsor a cat. Oh my god, thank you so well.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
We just get it to them and said this is
for Stephen Ray Morris.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I liked that that. Actually the feel of all of
that really turned into a look what we did for.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
You, I know, look at how we are. Can I
say that? Vince was like pushing hard for like the
past month. We're like, what do I get Stephen? And
he just kept saying, what about a house COmON? Now
he can wear on the house. He just kept and
I was like, what the fuck are why are you
fucking pushing for this? I don't know. I can just
see Stephen enjoying a house como and I was like,
he has.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
A roommate just lounging around. Yeah, I mean, I mean
this is great. I mean, first second you were it
was like pull out a cat and just like here's
a new cat.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
We got you a cat. You can take that where
we take three dollars back and then buy a cat.
Got a cat?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
What are they called mill?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Mill?

Speaker 3 (22:05):
This is much better? Oh my gosh, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Thirtieth Yeah, the Big Three.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh I wanted people to think I was twenty, but.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
We're fired. Okay, oh yeah, we don't have anyone over
thirty in our Oh no.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's agism. We totally support it. Stephen what are you
going to in your next thirty years. Let's hear a
short term goal. I let's hear a long term goal.
Let's how how are you going to reposition yourself for
the next thirty.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Like it, Oh, I want to invest in real estate.
I feel like that's smart.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
It is. It's like what would we say, I want
to eat a million things?

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Have have more donut companies, make donuts of my face. Yes,
that's smart, and then have like a cat ranch. Maybe
just open up.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
This sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Really huge cats, like horse sized cats. Cool.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's all mancoons, like the biggest cats ever. Saying children
riding cats.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I think that's I mean that feels like giving back, you.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Know, yes, smart, Yeah, these are all positive things. What's
one insane stupid thing you're gonna do?

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean the one like because I kind of feel
like I'm doing what I love for a living now
and I feel really lucky to feel that way. But
there's always like that one insane thing that you're like, oh,
if I had this, Like I've always wanted to learn
how to fly an airplane. Oh, it's one thing that like,
I feel like when you can afford the gas money
because like renting, Like learning how to fly isn't that expensive,

(23:33):
but renting the buying the gas is the expensive.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
And I've always wanted to, like learn how to fly
a plane.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Stephen, here's okay, Now we're going to make a solid plan.
You do that, You take the next how long does
it take? Eighteen months? Learn to fly plans? And then
we get a private plane. I knew you're going there, right, yeah,
and we go enter Nacio now.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, flyover international style.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, the rules apply, and Karen and I are on
the wings the whole time.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
We Amelia hair Airhart the fuck out of this tour.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
That means we die yea an island yepol it ended.
Oh yeah, they're pretty sure they found off an island.
They found really yeah? Sorry, oh no, no no. The birthday
Amelia air hurts like died of starvation. Thirty is your
bad news birthday? Yep?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
It turns out Amelia Earhart is dead.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Can I just say too that growing up? Yeah, Santa's
not real. Oh shit, careful. The thirties, thirties are your best.
The twenties. You couldn't pay me to do my twenties again.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
No, I'm stoked to be thirty. Yeah, I'm really excited.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Good twenties are a disaster. But thirties. I would say
this about your thirties. Thirties because you're out of your twenties,
you think now, I know, now, I get it. Just
remember that you do not know, and that when once
you're in the position of that, then you can.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Kind of like be flexible.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
But my big mistake in my thirties is like, ugh,
I'm so much smarter now, and I think that made
me even stupider.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Mine was that I have to grow up now, and
I'm like, and you don't have to like people who
are like I'm thirty two and I'm going to marry
my boyfriend, and I'm like, don't fucking do that. You
don't even you're thirty two, Like, just don't don't take
anything like relationships and jobs and whatever situation you're in
as seriously as you think you're supposed to win. You're
in your thirties, like, you can wait till your later thirties,

(25:21):
which I'm about to be to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Nice, Yeah, thank you Stevens.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
And now you give us advice.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well, the carriage thing was kind of in the real.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Estate that you're right real estate.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
That was because, like I was kind of hinting that
you two idiots who don't spend your money, well, should
have your birthdaytor her friend Stephen, Well done. We're glad
you're here.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, we're very glad we have you here. Yeah, thank you,
And soon you'll be paid for your work.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Can't wait. Someone we were getting interviewed for something and
someone was like, can I just ask do you pay Steven?
Like almost like you put him through so much shit?
Do you at least pay him? And I'm like, yes.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
People, they're very concerned that we're that we really are
mean to you real life, yeah, which is not true.
So there's three hundred dollars in charity to prove we're
not dick.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Oh no it okay, good Here, you had a sister,
you know what it's like to be treated like shit. Well,
all three of us know what it's like to be
treated like a sister, like a sibling.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Anyways, that's right, That's why we treat at will what
however we want. Coming from a victim stance, Now I
do have a correction this corner.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
We talked about it a little bit in both Indianapolis
Milwaukee and Chicago. But I am everyone forced to say
to the nation and the.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
World, I forgot about it. Everyone's holding their breath.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Marry Hill. Everyone knows Cherry Hill's in New Jersey. Everyone
knows that, every every single person on this planet.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I certainly didn't, and neither do the producers of City Confidential,
because they really led me to believe that Cherry Hill
was in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Tell everyone, because I just love this where it's like, so,
you did your murder a week ago before the live
show aired, Yeah, and it was about Fred Newlanders, right,
the running Rabbi. Yeah, and I thought maybe you were
like I did it once on accident, but you thought
it was there. I didn't know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Now, the problem with it really is that I feel
like some other part of my brain did know that,
like the first indoor mall was in New Jersey. That
just makes good sense.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I guess, Yeah, you're right. Who the fuck?

Speaker 2 (27:37):
No context clues? No, No, you're right, I mean I don't.
I'll just write down whatever and then say whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Middle of Pennsylvania, like middle of nowhere, not near Pittsburgh
has to be so boring that they're like put them
all here because everyone's so bored. All they do is
like clouds trouble. Let's give them a place to.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Go, give them a nice indoor mall.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Give them the mall. Like New Jersey's kind of fun.
They have like cool, weird shit to do, don't they.
I don't know. I don't either.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I clearly don't know anything about any What I said
to people when we were on tour was in California.
You can't just go to another state reil fast, which
is how they were making it sound. In the city convedential,
Like the daughter lived in Philly and so she like
drove into Cherry Hill. So like that just led me

(28:24):
to believe, you can't just drive in. If you're in
LA and you want to drive in from Nevada, that's
going to take a while. I don't I mean, it
just doesn't make sense to someone that lives on this
part of the planet.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
You know what, fuck it, fuck it all? Who fucking cares?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Fuck it all?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Fuck it up? That's the that's the tagline. Why am
I the one singing now?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Because it's fun. You got to do it, and also
you can do it. You try to act like you
can't and you can't.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Okay, just did it. You're right, I did it. Where
are we now?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
You should we talk about the theme of this yes, murder,
oh not singing?

Speaker 1 (29:07):
You want do I go first? You go first? Stephen birthday?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Karen goes first.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Isn't me all right? Stephen? It's your birthday. You gotta
pick whoever you want to go.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Even it's your birthday? Okay, Well, tonight today, this afternoon,
I'm going to do the murder of Hollywood super publicist
Ronnie Chason. Do you know this one?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Is it a she? Yes? I think I don't know
anything about it? Okay, take me there.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I'm taking you back to twenty ten. Where were you
in twenty ten? Where did you live?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
I was thirty? What? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, dude, I'm liking miss.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I was thirty. I was living in a studio apartment
in Hollywood. Hmm, it's really cute. It was like eight
hundred dollars a month, which is the most hilarious thing
I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I thought you said I was really cute. I was
really cute.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, that's it. Go ahead. And had a shitty desk
job that I fucking hated, And I had no idea
that my life would be what it is today, and
I am so glad I didn't, because then it wouldn't
have happened.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Did you wish and wish and hope that you would
not work at a desk anymore?

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
My god, because I have to tell you when I
had two different jobs in my early twenties that both
brought me such intense, soul sucking sorrow.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
That was my life until I was thirty. Yeah, that,
and I thought it would be that forever. But I
feel like when you're going through that, you think this.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Because I feel is bad about it, that means it's
going to happen forever. But actually, yeah, if you feel
that bad about it, it means it won't continue on.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well, in my opinion, I fucking hustled my ass off
and to grasp anything that wouldn't get me there, that
didn't keep me there, and that turned into a blog.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
A blog.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, I like used to think, like maybe if I
just get married and have a baby, I can have
some time off. Yeah, that's yea bad it was. I
was just like, yeah, get me out of here, I'll
have a baby. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I mean, they do solve that problem, they but babies
will get you out of the office, that's for sure. Yeah,
and sometimes keep you from ever returning.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Let me make this about me.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Or I didn't you asked? I did ask you. I
want to know because it was it's weird to think.
So it was seven years ago. So Stephen, you were
twenty three? What were you doing?

Speaker 1 (31:28):
What were you doing? Stephen?

Speaker 3 (31:30):
I was just about to go to grad school in London.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
He's better than one.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I dropped out immediately, So that was great, Okay, London.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Karen doesn't know where Cherry Hill. There's no language. I
get offended by anyone that leaves the country or.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Gets an education. It really biles me off. Me too,
me myself. It was seven years ago? Were you Where
was Karen?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I was.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
God, I was in a married No, I you know
where I was. I was in New York. I had
just left my ex. I was like, I can't do this,
and I bailed and went to New York. And I
was in New York. This is when I got into podcasts.
Because I was in New York. I knew about three
people in the entire city. I had a job, luckily,

(32:31):
and I would just come home. I would work all
week and then I would come home and on the weekends,
I would sit at this weird little chopping block table
in the kitchen. I would smoke out the window. Don't smoke,
it's bad for you. And I would listen to Dave
Anthony and Greg Barn's podcast Walking the Room, Oh my God,
and they would fight and blather and like it was

(32:51):
the funniest thing. It was just like and it was
just like being in the room with them. So it
was a weird way. That's why when people freak out
and go like I can't believe I'm meaning you, you don't understand,
and I always grab them and I'm like, I do understand.
It's like everybody goes through awful things and needs that
kind of like companionship, and that's it got me through

(33:13):
kind of one of the hardest times of my adult
life was pretending that I was having a conversation with
Dave Anthony and Greg Barrett.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
My whole studio apartment was painted while I listened to podcasts.
Yeah on a like huge iPod. Yeah, but like.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Someone had given me one of those big, thick blocking ones.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yes, all right, you guys, we got it. We understand.
So who got killed?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, Now I take you back to November sixteenth of
that year. Okay in Hollywood. So one of Hollywood's most
powerful and beloved publicists, Ronnie Chasin, has just left the
premiere party for the movie Burlesque the Christina Aguilera share
joint Burless at the w Hotel. Ronnie's the publicist for

(33:59):
there last night. What's up?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
We were there yesterday.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
No, that's right. Oh, this one's really folding over and over.
So she was the publicist for the movie's producer, Donald DeLine.
She was also the publicist for the lighting designer Peggy
Eisenhower and for the composer Diane Warren, who'd written a
song for this movie. She worked the room, and she
was now driving home down Sunset Boulevard. It was twelve

(34:24):
twenty eight am when Ronnie's Mercedes came to a stop
at the left turn lane and the intersection of Wittier
and Sunset. So, if you've never been to La before,
most people know about the Sunset Strip, which is like
the most famous part of Sunset Boulevard. It starts the
Sunset Strip starts at Crescent Heights and it goes all
the way down a little bit past Doheeny and basically

(34:47):
along that strip. You've got the Chateau Marmont Hotel, you've
got the Comedy Store, you've got the Viper Room, you've
got the Whiskey and you've got the Roxy used to
be Tower Records. Just there, book Soup is there. There's
a little a very tony she she chunk called the
Sunset Plaza that has restaurants and like the Armani Store,

(35:08):
fancy shopping, fancy eating, and it's basically the it takes
you right into Beverly Hills. So once you get past
that part, the Sunset Plaza portion basically takes a turn
and then suddenly there's trees and there's big tall green
hedges that are blocking off humongous mansions that they don't

(35:30):
want you to look at, And it becomes like this
gorgeous green drive. And a little further down on that drive,
you've got the Beverly Hills Hotel that costs a thousand
dollars a night to stay there.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Did you know that?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
How much does it cost one thousand dollars a night?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Did you say one thousand dollars a night.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
At the Beverly Hills Hotel?

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Are you fucking kidding? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I was clicking to see how far down sunset it was.
And when you click on it, that hilarious Google thing
happens where it's as if you're trying to book yourself
there and it's like over it. It's like I think
it's ten ninety eight a night. Yeah, because it's like
you know the Polo Club, it's like the famous much money. Yeah,
they only want rich people there, but poor people that's

(36:14):
saved up.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Whatever, No go say somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
But anyway, what I'm saying is this is the end
of sense of Boulevard because if.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
You keep on driving, you end up at the beach.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Basically you drive past bel Air, which is the richest
richist U sayle, and then ultimately the beach. And that's
a sharp contrast to where Sons of Boulevard's Boulevard starts,
which is on basically Olivera Street downtown thirteen miles away.

(36:45):
It has i would say, near the majority of Los
Angeles's forty seven thousand homeless people. So the two ends
of this street couldn't be more different. And when you
get into Beverly Hills. The weirdest thing about this, anybody
that lives in Los Angeles knows, like you don't go

(37:07):
into Beverly Hills if you don't have a reason to
go there, especially at night. It's empty basically, So it's
like she's driving on sunset at twelve thirty eight at night.
There's no cars on the road. There's certainly no pedestrians. Ever,
it's a big, wide street and it's empty. It's pristine, perfect,

(37:28):
not a drop of litter anywhere, and it's completely empty.
So most people, because because La and Hollywood is an
industry town, most people are in bed at that time.
All those rich people that live behind those hedges work
their asses off and get up at five in the morning.
So it's always, you know, like lights out at ten

(37:48):
o'clock over on that side of town, unless your job
is Premiere Parties, which was Ronnie Chasin's job, that keeps
you out a little bit later. So by twenty ten,
Ronnie Jason's clients had netted around one hundred and fifty
OSCAR nominations, Oh my god, seven of them had won
Best Picture, including a three peat between two thousand and

(38:09):
eight and twenty ten. So she represented people that either
worked on or made No Country for old men, slum
Dog Millionaire and the hurt locker.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Wow, but tell us what a publicist does exactly, not
just the people listening, but myself as well.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Okay, so you're a publicist is the person that make
sure that the press and the media know about their clients'
successes or career at the time. So like for her,
like for publicists, or like around Oscar time or award
season is like the busiest time because that's when they

(38:45):
want everybody to be on talk shows, they want everybody
to be interviewed for newspapers and magazines and stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
And they don't reach out to you. Publicists reach out
to them exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
So they're basically they would call and say, you know,
my client, Steven has this amazing podcast called the per
Cast that everyone's talking about these days, and you've got
to get him before he goes big, So let's get
some placement here, here, and here. And they basically are
like an amazing stage mom where they talk about you

(39:18):
like you are going to be the next thing. And
because everything in la is about you don't want the
current hot thing, you want the next big thing. So
that's the publicist deal in the world of that. Then
they also just deal in the day to day of
actually booking people on talk shows, and like all the
stories of from my experience of working on talk shows

(39:39):
is when something bad happens, like say someone cancels or
flakes say your show has to go down because like
the electricity went off or something. The people you don't
want to have to deal with are the publicists because
they're the people that come in and act on behalf
of celebrities, and they're the bad guy. So a celebrity
will never be the one that's like, I don't want

(39:59):
to do your show. A publicist will be the one
that's like, they can't do it for this reason, this reason,
but we can do it here. And because I know
you're disappointed, I can also get you this person. So
they're just a master politician. They are a they're a cheerleader,
and they hustle twenty four to seven. Okay, it's it's
an insanely hard job. I would never want to do it,

(40:22):
and it's a certain type of person that can do it.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, because you really do have to fucking do that
no way.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I mean you you're on the phone all the time
and you have to like you have to like play
the game the hardest I think because you are really
like a salesperson, but for people. And so it's sometimes
it's that I mean, you've seen you can watch it
in movies. There's all kinds of movies about insider Hollywood stuff.
But like there are those times where publicists can make

(40:50):
a star because it's like you just by a series
of happenstance. It's like something will happen on a production
and say somebody drops, somebody breaks their leg and they
drop out and then they have to get replaced. Well,
those that person, like a team comes together and then
starts pitching and fixing and what I mean, I'm this

(41:11):
is a completely made up scenario. I don't know what
the actual technical thing is. But a publicist is the
kind of person that can come in and sell you
on some on an unknown and actually make someone's career.
And then they do that more often than like a
direct you know, it's always like a director discovered me
or whatever, and it's usually like a publicist or a

(41:31):
casting director. Also, they're women who like believe in people
and watch people and and like vouch for.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
People, and and if someone owes them a favor, they
could be like, well put this person in your movies.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
My client exactly. Okay, it's all about favors and what
if something happens, then you owe them a.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Favor or they owe you a favor, so then you
get or they're reliable. They always bring me the right people,
and yes, it is the person I call first.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
And in TV, that's what it all is like when
you start to learn. And I barely know that side
because that's the booking side, which I never had to
deal with, and I wouldn't have been able to because
I can't organize anything. And they're the most organized people
in the world. But that's all they do all day
is have those conversations where it's like, well, since you
owe us the one from that, now we want this

(42:18):
person on the day that their show comes out. It's
all like, it's crazy politics.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
So she was friends with a woman named Lily Zank
and she has a second name in there, and I
didn't write it down and then I couldn't find it.
It's something xanic and I don't know if that means
that she was married to it's hyphenated. It was hyphenated,
so maybe it's just important to her that her original
name was in there.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
But I didn't write it down anyhow.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
This woman was friends with Ronnie Chason and she was
also a producer who won Best Picture with her husband,
Richard Zanik. They made Driving This Daisy Wow, and Lily
Zanak was quoted as saying the Driving Miss Daisy campaign
was all Ronnie, and that's why I thanked her twice
at the Oscars.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
So it's just that kind of like the people in
the business know who makes the engine go basically, and
a lot of times it's it's publicist. So Ronnie Chasin
was born Veronica Cohen in Kingston, New York in nineteen
forty six. She grew up in the Bronx. She moved
to la to be an actress, and she changed her
last name so that she had the same name as
the famous restaurant Chasins.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Oh wow, yeah smart.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yes, it's super smart because it's like Chasin's is like
an insider celebrity restaurant fly.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
You just are like, oh yeah, you better get a
Chasin in here. She was on Guiding Light, she was
on the Patti Duke Show. She's gorgeous, like just she
looked like every other blonde actress in the sixties or seventies,
I should I'm not actually sure. I'm sure she would
hate me saying exactly when she was at that at

(43:56):
that age. But basically, eventually she transitions into pr and
she builds this huge career and she's just a hustler
and she's everyone said she was just. She was known
for being brassy and unapologetically pushy. She just didn't give
a shit, and she was also really honest, so she
would tell people to their face like uh, she said. Oh.

(44:20):
She had a friend named Kathy Berlin who is a
New York publicist, and Kathy Berlin said, I used to
say that Ronnie got half her piece's placed because she
would people would just say enough already, like they would
just she would just wear them down. So she's also
known as being real.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
People adored her.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Obviously. People like to talk about people being big assholes
in this business, but in my opinion, especially for women,
you can't be that big of an asshole. And yet
bye you have you know that people have to love you,
and you have to have loyalty.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
There's to be some charm thrown in there.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
There's got to be. Yeah, you got to build loyalty
to be as successful as.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
This woman was.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
And there's a story that someone told because someone who
really loved her, who said she got a lot of
flak because she was to always take a doggie bag home,
no matter what fancy dinner she was at, no matter
what fancy restaurant, everybody being trying to be Hollywood, She'd
always take her food home in a doggie bag, and
so people would like whisper, oh she cheap or oh
she whatever. And what she actually did was she would

(45:23):
take her food, her leftovers to her mom's house so
her mom could eat the fancy food that she was
eating and like, and she would share the like Hollywood
night with her mom.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Is not lovely. I know, it's really hard for me
to learn that you can't take half your food home
at meetings. I mean you can, No, you can't. Like
I'm so bad at wasting food that like, I no,
I'm done. I could eat that at home in my underpants.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, but I have to say this. My dad told
me this a long time ago. My dad told me
this when I was like seven, where I was like, really,
thanks for this amazing advice, but he was like, don't
salt your food before you taste it, and it was
that whole story of there was like somebody lost a
job because it's it shows that like you need to
be able to try things and decide how they are
as they are. Don't just decide you need to salt it.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
You're assuming things. That's right, Hey, seven year old, thanks dad,
that's really helpful. You'll always get by kid.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
And I have. So that's I was just gonna say,
that's that's a similar thing where there could be somebody
that you eat with that watches you take your food
home because you want to keep it and goes she's
a smart, frugal customer that doesn't give a shit who's
watching her.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Totally.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Those are always the stories in Holly and Hollywood anyways,
people going not going along with the flow and being
like I want my fucking doggy bag full of girled
cheese or whatever. Anyhow, let's get back to biz. So
where now it's a long, hard night of work for
Ronnie Chas And she pulls up at this intersection in

(46:58):
Beverly Hills between Sunset and no other cars, as we've said,
no pedestrians.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
In that situation.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
It's not unheard of for a Hollywood big wig to
just go ahead and take a left on a red.
It's their neighborhood. They do what they want anyway, and
take for They take forever, and no one's going to
see it. No one's going to see it. But Ronnie
didn't do that. She waited for the green, and that's
when she was ambushed by a lone gunman. He approached

(47:26):
the passenger side of her car and he shot her
four times through the window.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
She was hit twice in the chest, once in her
upper right arm, and once through her right shoulder. That
that bullet went into her heart and it was that
shot that was believed to have killed her. Her car
then took the left and drove down Whittier South and
glided a quarter of a mile down that windy street
until it hit a light pole and crashed and set

(47:58):
off the passenger air bags and was basically a car accident.
A couple minutes later, a car, a couple passing in
a car, spotted the accident and you pulled over, saw
what happened, called nine one one, but people had already
called because they heard gunshots in Beverly Hills, So everybody
was calling the Beverly Hills police. Ronnie Chasin was rushed

(48:19):
to Cedar's sign A hospital and she was pronounced dead
at one twelve am. So most people assumed when they
heard about this it was either a car jacking or
someone had taken out a hit on her, because it's
such a weird the idea in just to give you
a sense, I got most of this information from an

(48:42):
article that Guy gary Baum, not Guy Brandham. Gary Baum
wrote for the Hollywood Reporter. And when he wrote this article,
it was twenty sixteen, and in the article he said,
there have been no homicides in Beverly Hills since twenty eleven.
What so in that five years, zero homagies in Beverly Hill.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, I think someone Rona Hill's wife.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I mean there had been the five years previous, there
had been five homicides. Two of them had been that
exact thing, domestic abused domestic homicides, and those were solved.
And then there were two other ones that were solved,
and one was the shooting death of Mark Ruffalo's brother,

(49:32):
which I'd never heard of. Mark Ruffalo was a Mark
Ruffalo's had a brother, I believe his name was Scott,
and he was a hairdresser and he lived in Beverly
Hills and he was shot to death in his house.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
What the fuck? And they never solved it. Who shot it?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
They don't know, I know, right. So anyway, that's like
it for Beverly Hills. Now we talk about fucking you
know Filipino Town, the thing we just were just talking
about earlier, where it's like how many home sides are
there in a month, much less in years and years
and ten years, they'd had five.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, and then there was this.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
So it's insane anyway, which is the reason the movie
Beverly Hills Cop worked so well, because truly, nothing bad
happens there. It's the home of all the rich people.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, everyone watch it.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
It's such a good movie. It holds up, it holds
up so well. Okay, sorry, so I lost my place.
So also just know this. Ronnie Chasin's estate was worth
six point one million dollars at the time.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Of her day. Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, so she was doing very well for herself. She
was also single, no kids, she's you know, like a
working lady. So three weeks after the night of the shooting,
the Beverly Hills Police Department holds a press conference and
states that the case has been closed. The suspect was

(50:57):
an ex con named Harold Smith, who who had served
time twice for robbery, eight once in nineteen ninety eight
for a purse snatching where when the woman resisted.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
He broke her jaw.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
And that happened on Doheeny Boulevard, which was about a
quarter of a mile east of where Ronnie Chasin had
been shot. And so this is how they found Harold Smith.
A neighbor of his. So he lived in this place
called the Harvey Apartments, which is on Santa Monica Boulevard.
Just it's actually just north of Santa Monica Boulevard, kind

(51:33):
of behind Paramount over there. It's basically Santa Monica and Western,
which is a great man not a great neighborhood. So,
and this apartment building was not good at all. It
was mostly it was a lot of drug addicts and
just people who were just getting by.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
It was, it was. It was bad news.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
So a neighbor of Harold Smith's in a tip to
America's Most Wanted saying that he had shown up. Harold
Smith had shown up at this neighbor's apartment ninety minutes
after the killing in Beverly Hills, asking if anything had
been reported on TV, and then saying that he needed
to go back to Beverly Hills because he had left

(52:19):
his bike there.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Oh no.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
And then the neighbor said he saw the report of
Ronnie Chasin's murder on the news and he knew he
put it all together right. So at five point thirty
pm on December first, after Beverly Hills police get this tip,
they go out to question Harold Smith. They find him
in the lobby of the Harvey apartments, and when they
identify themselves to him as police, Harold pulls a thirty

(52:45):
eight out of his pocket and shoots himself in the head.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Shut the fuck. How did I not fucking know this part?

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I know, it's crazy. I've never heard this part. I
knew about this shooting at me too, but I've never
heard this part.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Okay, So this neighbor that had called in the tip,
he uh, he had been keeping some boxes for Harold
Smith because Harold had been evicted from the Harvey apartment
six days before, and that's why Harold came back to

(53:18):
that guy's house that night. Some of his stuff was there.
So the police find this out or know this, and
go up to the neighbor's house and start looking through
Harold Smith's stuff that's in the neighbor's apartment, and there
they find four spent shellcasings among Smith's belongings, and they

(53:43):
test those against the ballistics and then Ronnie Chase murder.
They're a match. The police announced they have their guy
and the case is closed. They took such a confident
position at this press conference uh that even though they
had not looked into her bank statements, they had not

(54:05):
looked onto a hard drive of her computer, they had
not checked herself on records. They eventually got to that
the following March, but at the time they made that announcement,
they had not looked into almost anything in her life
and the fact that she A lot of people make
note of the fact that she had an estate with
no heirs worth six point one million dollars and a family.

(54:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
She sorry, so I'll just finish this.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
The following July, Beverly Hills Police issued a news release
stating that it completed the exhaustive investigation and without a doubt,
it's the conclusion of robbery homicide detectives that the sole
perpetrator of this heinous crime was Harold Martin Smith. So
last year the Beverly Hills Police finally released the files

(54:57):
on this case, and they were partially redacted so you
couldn't read everything in them. But this reporter that wrote
for the Hollywood Reporter read the ballistics report and it
actually there were The ballistics report actually says that although
the two guns in this case have similar characteristics, they're

(55:18):
not uh, they're too insignificant for identification. So actually their
ballistics repurse report does not confirm that he was their
guy at all. The files also revealed that the police
did not dust for fingerprints on the right side of
the car, which was where the shots were fired from.
No fingerprints dusted over there. They also never released the

(55:41):
security camera footage from the neighborhood the.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Night everyone has security cameras.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
It's fucking Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
And a man named T. T.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Williams Junior, who was a retired LAPD homicide detective who
also he gets called to testify about police priscon a lot.
He was stated as saying this about the lack of
video footage memorializing Smith near the crime. He said, quote,
there has to be some security cameras in that neighborhood

(56:12):
that would have caught him. I mean, Beverly Hills. Give
me a break. You've got a black man supposedly on
a bike in the middle of the night. He'd be
stopped fifteen times. He would have stood out like a
sore thought. Seriously, and not surprisingly, they never released the
footage from the lobby of the Harvey apartments the night

(56:33):
of Harold Smith's suicide. And they had security cameras in
that lobby, so that whole moment where the cops identify themselves,
that's all on camera. No one's ever seen that footage. Also,
of note, the gun that Harold Smith pulled out of

(56:55):
his pocket and shot himself to death with was later
determined to have been reported stolen three years earlier by
a retired LAPD officer from his home in Santa Clarita.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Oh, it's just a.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Little a bit of a question mark there. Guns get
stole all the time, then they go on the black market.
Anyone can have them, yes, okay, But the fact that
it wasn't a cops gun, a retired policeman's gun, isn't
I think, isn't good totally.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
It's the oh I said, oh exactly, that of Oh
I can connect those which I'm not going.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
To say, but well, I mean it just so I'll
end with this, which I think is very interesting. It's
a quote from a man named stan Kephart who is
a former police chief in Arizona, and he also serves
as an expert witness in cases involving law enforcement operational standards.
And he said this, it's not what you think about
a suspect, it's what you can prove. And it appears

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that there is room for doubt that Harold Smith is
the or trader in this case.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
They didn't really prove factually that he was the superpetrator.
They just basically said he was unclosed the case and
he's dead. Yeah, he can't defend himself.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Wow. It's so interesting when you hear like, well he
had this and he did this that night and this
thing happened, and he's been this in the past, and
you're like, yeah, okay, he's obviously he obviously did it
the end. But you don't think about the like the
deep the deep evidence, or the basic things like fingerprinting
that side of the car, or the obvious things like

(58:37):
security cameras. You just hear these blanket statements and you're like, duh, but.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Well, you go that's easy, Like, that's an easy You
told me that a black x Con is shot somebody.
Oh this, here's the other thing. Her purse was still
in the car. It's a proud of bag. It was
on the passenger seat. So they're saying that he shot
into this car four times and didn't take anything. There

(59:07):
was nothing taken from the car, so he just it's
not a smash and grab. It's not his style. It's
not his mo which we do know can escalate, but
in this case, he didn't even steal anything. So now
he's gone straight to murder. So basically he's not even
a it's not robbery anymore.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
It just doesn't make sense for someone to do that
there either, because you can't blend blend in the rest
of the city. You can't go hide in someone's backyard. No,
you're just you're like, uh waiting, what do they call it?
Duck as sitting duck.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Well, Also, so that actually takes a part a bunch
of things, because they figured out that that neighbor who
said that he put it all together because he knew
that it was Ronnie Chasen's murder. Her name wasn't released
until the next morning, so there was no way could
have known that during that conversation. Also, if it was

(01:00:06):
ninety minutes after the shooting took place, how did he
get back to those apartments that fast? That's true, especially
if he left his bike, right, So what did he
leave his bike and jump on a night bus from
Beverly Hills into Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
And in that case, then they should have had the
bus driver testify, right or.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Like that, or that would have been in the report.
If someone had seen him coming, that would have all
been added to the argument that it was him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Also, there were and I mean this is like, this
isn't even speculation, it's just like kind of random facts.
But there were family members in her family that in
her She had rewritten a new will in two thousand
and six, but they couldn't find that will, so they
went off of her nineteen ninety four will. And in
that will, she gave the majority of her estate to

(01:00:55):
one of her nieces. Oh no, and she had another
niece that in the will it said I knowingly and
what being aware of the implications of this might cause
leave you ten.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Dollars ninety four. I mean, maybe she was a drug
addict then and sucked and then ninety six. They're like,
all right, I just don't understand. How don't you have
to file a will with a lawyer? No.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
In fact, I watched this thing Joey bay It was whatever,
maybe headline News whatever, joe Joey Bayheart was the host
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
It was just a YouTube video.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
But this woman on it said, you actually can write
on a napkin, this is my last will and testament.
It doesn't have to be filed anywhere. If you sign
it and you are of sound mind, it's legal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
That seems so absurd because it's like it's just then
someone can pick it up out of your fucking sock drawer,
light it on fire, and yeah, there's no will And
I'm the next to ken you know what I mean.
You would think you wanted to get you'd want to
get it, notari and give it to someone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Well you should keep it in a safe place, yeah, definitely,
but you But it's just the legality of it. It
doesn't need a lawyer's anything. This is what this woman
on this thing said, Yeah, that it doesn't need any
It doesn't need a notary or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah, I'm such such a It's like it's that thing
of like, well, if you can get away with it,
then congratulations, there's no no one will look into it
with what what are you talking about with burning someone's
will or like, oh, getting rid of the two thousand
and six will? Right, then yes, that's exactly ratulations.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Well yeah, but that I mean that's why you keep
things in, you know, something like a will, you would
keep in a what do you call that? A safe
safety box? Yeah, but what if she goes into Yeah, yeah,
totally when you don't give out those keys. Yeah, I've
never had a safety deposit box, but I will only
have one key when I do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I have a po box, and it's very exciting. It's
like you feel like a grown up. I think that's
a fascinating one. Because I saw, Oh, there's a show
called Demons in the City of Angels, which is which
it's hilarious that it's like specific only to Los Angeles.
But this that's what caught my attention because it started

(01:03:16):
and I watched it, going, oh, I do want to
know how this turned out, because I remember hearing about
it and then hearing nothing and basically it's just them going,
we kind of don't buy it, And isn't it interesting
that you and I who remember this happening and it
kind of being you know, if you know it's in
your industry than mine, Like we had never heard about

(01:03:38):
it again, Like it's almost like, yeah, we got they
got the guy really low key not maybe not letting
a lot of reporters into the press conference. Does that
make sense? Yeah, you know what I mean, it's interesting
that we never heard anything more about it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
She had a bunch of friends in this article.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
It made me sad because I feel it's like, you
know this type of woman, you know, you know this
late Oh yeah, it's like she's smart and sharp and
like pushy enough to make to be the top of
in the top of the business in such a hard business.
They all her friends say, if it was her front
that died in a suspicious way, she wouldn't rest until

(01:04:16):
she found out what really happened, and she wouldn't take
no for an answer, and she would So that's it's
really sad because I think it's that thing of like
there's a lot of people going, I wish I could
do something, or I wish I knew something.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Or maybe they're right, and am I supposed to do something?
Even if I think the cops are right, Like what
do I do? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
It's just so, it's just too convenient, like to find
who the fuck keeps four spent shell casings in there,
like bye, in their boxes in their shitty apartment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
You didn't check them into the La River as you
were walking home in ninety minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
But you leave your bike at the scene of the sure,
like sure, none of it. Also, how do you get
how do you get back across town at night? You
can't get anywhere in ninety minutes in Los.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Angeles, No, not even in a fucking car, I mean
the traffic. Anyway, that's great. That was really interesting. I
never followed up on that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Hopefully we'll hear more about it soon. They're trying to
make they were trying to make a documentary about it.
But yeah, they were having a lot of problems.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Well, it's funny because we're having a theme today. Oh really,
Los Angeles. What did the LAPD do? Question mark? Really
racial issues? What happened tampering, et cetera. Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
But first, if people, sorry, this is where the commercial
will go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
So, this is what I wanted to do for a while,
but it's scary to tackle because it's kind of big.
It's and it's every time I go back to look
into it, it's just like it's a lot. Okay, this
is the story of my Rise Richardson. To know this one,

(01:06:03):
you probably won't, I tell you so seven pm, around
seven pm on the night of September seventeenth, two thousand
and nine, twenty four year old my Ries Richardson pulls
her Hontasivik into the parking lot of Jeffreys, which is
a fancy pants restaurant on the Pacific Coast Highway. Do
you know what I'm talking about. It's one of those
like Jeffreys. It's like super fancy fans like on the coast,

(01:06:27):
like on the coast in Malibu.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yeah, it's very like it's spelled Joffrey, not Jeffrey, you
know what I mean. While she's there, from the valet
to ordering her food, interacting with other patrons, her behavior
is erratic and bizarre, but she wasn't threatening in anyway.
When the bill came for eighty nine fifty one, she

(01:06:52):
Matrisa couldn't pay, so when she was confronted by staff,
she announced that she had come to avenge Michael Jackson's death.
Oh no, I know. Management decides to call the police
and they say, we have a guest here who was
refusing to pay her bill, and we think she may
she sounds really crazy. She may be on drugs or something.

(01:07:14):
But my Terce Richardson wasn't on drugs. She's a twenty
four year old, smart and beautiful African American woman from
South la She had graduated from California State University Fullerton
with a Bachelor of Arts in psychology the year before,
and at the time she worked as an administrative assistant
at a freight company. But she wanted to work with children,

(01:07:36):
and at the time she volunteered as a mentor for
at risk children and worked with kids at a cheerleading camp.
So it's not really known why she was in Malibu, though,
which was forty miles from her home. They think maybe
she was visiting the campus of Pepperdine, which is right
by Jeoffrey's. You know to look at the campus. But

(01:07:57):
just sorry side.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Note, my mom, when I was a junior in high
school that I wanted to go to Pepperdine because my
friend Jen Mason's older sister Becky went there, and my
mother laughed in my face and said, who's going to
pay for that? Yeah, because Pepperdine is insanely expensive. Volleyball
College on the Beach.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Basically, it's tony. It's for the rich. It's for rich people, Okay,
as is Jeffrey's. Which is how you build an eighty
nine dollars dinner for one person. I could do that
at Apple Bee. I mean, let's be honest. I had
a sixty dollars lunch today with Vince, so let's be

(01:08:37):
let's be realistic here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
I swear to God sometimes when I start, when I
get a pretzel as a as a appetizer, I could
just eat nine pretzels.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Do it? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Cheese sauce, well, I mean that's crucial. Yeah, I'm not
going to eat them dry?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
What do I like?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Bag and soft? And then have like a thing of
that cheese sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Am I A monster? I hate when they try to
get creative, Okay. I hate when they try to be
like this stupid aoli or whatever. No, no no, and
then oh, like a it's a mustard that's got spicy
honey in it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
No, no, just give me cheese sauce like they serve
it apple.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
That's all we want. We want anyone wants cheese soup,
but we can't and we know it because of polite
society says it's not okay unless you're in like Wisconsin, right,
So give me a bread to dip it in it and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Be okay final pretended to dip Fine.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Fine, it's the same thing with onion soup, Like I
just want to eat bread and cheese with a spoon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
But fine, you can put a little broth underneath it
whatever if you need me to be that fine, Okay. Sorry,
that was a real left turn.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Cheerleading camp. So they don't know why she was there,
but it seems that she was suffering at the time
of a previously undiagnosed manic episode, which is also evidence
spy her her Facebook posts recently, which were incoherent and rambling.
She said things like there are signs everywhere small with

(01:10:09):
a smiley face, and then another said I just want
to sleep, lole, But you know me and my crazy ideas,
Let's see where they take me. Smiley face. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
So it's like, did she not know she was manic?

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
From what I can tell, No and her mom. I
think they were all very surprised by it, by the
fact that this is They think that's what happened for sure,
but nobody knew what was going to happen. Yeah, it
seems like it was undiagnosed and unknown.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I'm sorry to ask this, but when when was this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Two thousand and nine?

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Oh wow?

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Yeah? No, no one listens in the beginning of what
year it is? You know what I mean, it's hard
to focus. Yeah, I like get to the story. Yeah,
I settled out. I'm still thinking of steff I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Say in my story, my thing two thousand and nine,
Where were you two thousand?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
You were near twenty ten? Oh my god. This is
like it's like we picked a theme for this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
It's so true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
You didn't that weird chunk of time. We're just like,
it's like our periods are sync, but our murders are
sanc instead.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
It's all coming together in the red tent.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Stevens. Yeah, he's writing this one down because he's flushing
so far. He's sister Sisters, Sisters, but signs three nights
after that last post, she wrote, she's at Jeoffrey's going
through this shit. Three LA PD deputies arrive. They call

(01:11:32):
Matris's it's my Trees, I believe, not Matries my Trees's
great grandmother, who offers to pay the bill, but she
would have had a fax and image of her credit card,
which she wasn't able to do because who the fuck
has a fucking fax machine in two thousand and nine?
Don't you hate that? So they were like, nope, sorry, grandma, sorry,
great grandma, you can't do this. They search her car

(01:11:55):
and they find a very small amount of marijuana, as
well as bottles of vodka and tiqui and half a
case of beer. But they gave her a field sopriety
test and she passed. Okay, so I'm sorry. But the
officers could have placed matrise in My Trees in an
involuntary psychiatric hold based on her odd behavior, but they

(01:12:18):
said that would have required a lot of paperwork and
a trip to the hospital, so instead they arrested her
on charges of suspicion of not paying for the meal
and possession of less than one ounce of marijuana, and
they took her to Lost Hills Police Department. I know
upon her arrest, her phone, perse and money are locked
in her car and the car is towed to a towyard.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
What why are you going to need that after?

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Well, Lost Hills Police department again, fancy pants police department
and a fancy pants part of Malibu, like really nice area.
It's the same station where mel Gibson was taken after
being pulled over for drunk driving and yelling anti Semitic slurs.
Same station, but they let him keep his purse. Well, well,

(01:13:08):
they escorted him from Lost Hills to his toad car.
That because they treat famous and rich people, which is
what their neighborhood is, and white people. Remember in the
Big Lebowski, stay out of my beach community, he throws
a mugget in Big Lebowski's face. It's like that, yeah, yeah,
and stay out of my beach community. It's just like that. Unfortunately,

(01:13:31):
my trees didn't receive the same treatment as a famous asshole.
My Trice's mother called the Lost Hills station around ten
pm and all of these phone calls you can hear
on YouTube and I fucking listen to them. Oh no,
she's asking if they're going to book her and release
her that night, and saying it's dark and she doesn't
have a car and I don't want her wandering, and

(01:13:51):
she's like, I'll come pick her up right now. But
if you keep her over night, that's fine. I'll get
her in the morning. I just want to know you're
not going to release her. And this woman is she's
clearly upset, but she's just like, I don't know what's happening.
I'll deal with it. She's a together woman. Yeah, she's
the mother said, she's not from that area. And I
would hate to wake up into a morning report saying

(01:14:13):
girl a loss somewhere and her head chopped off. But
the deputy assured my Teresa's mother not to worry. I
can't breathe, hold on, okay. But yet, at twelve thirty
in the morning, my Terce, with only the clothes on
her back and without a purse, money, or her phone,
was released into the darkness and cold of the Santa

(01:14:36):
Monica Mountains. Why which you and I like, Let's let's
set the stage again from Beverly Hills to Santa Monica
Mountain in Malibu. It is fucking remote. It's huge houses
on a lot of land that butt up against the
Santa Monica Mountains, which are not pretty hiking trails their
fucking wilderness.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah, scrub brush, it's there's no, there's nothing commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Because well that's what they said too, is nothing was
open at that point. All businesses are closed that close
it like six.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Yes, and there's it's like even the businesses that are
there really few and far between. It's not like shopping
up and get Yeah, you have to basically be down
in the city of Malibu to be close to anything.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
And the Santa Monica Mountain is where all the mountain
lions live and it's really rocky and hilly. I went
to Jewish camp there and it was totally wilderness. I
mean it was not cute. Yes, it's not the city. No,
it's really not. And this is a city girl who
had never been out in the wilderness like this. So

(01:15:37):
all businesses are closed. Public transportation doesn't really exist out there.
You know, they have like bus to the shopping center
and back, but not you know, real transportation. And she's
eleven miles from her car at the Malibu towyard. The
walk would have taken her up and down hills through
a tunnel along the shoulder of a highway winding through
the mountains, which I fucking have driven there and you

(01:15:59):
get carsick just from driving. It's a crazy mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Also, i'll tell you this from my research, eleven miles
just so you know, it's thirteen miles from Beverly Hills
to downtown Los Angeles. So she would have had to
walk slightly less than that long all the way down sunset.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
That's ridiculous. That's a day's walk. So when her mom
calls it next morning, she finds out that my trees
had been released. And I listened to the fucking mess
the call, and it's they're blowing the officers, blowing her off,
and she's like, how long do I have to wait
to file a missing her person's report? And he's like, well,

(01:16:40):
wait a couple hours and then call us back, like
they're they're very being, being very casual, and she's like,
she doesn't know the area, she didn't have anything on
her what the hell's going on? And they were very
flippant about it, and we're like, let me try to
track things down, call me in a couple hours, which
is like, can you imagine waiting for your child for
a couple hours. And then and then she said, you know,

(01:17:05):
she's another area and she's in a depressive state, so
she probably had some clue, you know, that something was triggering. Yeah.
So at five point thirty that morning, a homeowner in
Cold Canyon, which is right next to the actual Santa
Monica Mountain Canyon, called Lost Hills to say that there
was a prowler walking around. He told the dispatcher that
the prowler had been sitting kind of sprawled out on

(01:17:28):
these wooden steps in the back of the house, but
had disappeared into the surrounding wilderness. And other neighbors said
that they heard and saw my Treese either leaving or
attempting to enter the man's home, and that they heard
loud screams in a vacant home around the time that
she went missing. But they searched the area and didn't
find anything. And later they searched the area, they called

(01:17:52):
the police. I don't know if they came. That was
the last time my Trese was seen alive. She disappeared
into the Santa Monica mountas and uh for five months,
the Lost Hills So she disappeared super crazy wilderness gone
with only her clothes that she had on, T shirt, jeans, sneakers.

(01:18:14):
So for five months, Lost Hills insisted that there was
no surveillance tape of the police station because they wanted
to see this, you know, like what happened, when did
she leave? What state was she in? But they miraculously
found the tape five months later, sitting on a desk.
According to my Teresa's mother, the tape shows her daughter

(01:18:35):
in an obvious psychology and obvious psychological distress inside the
intake toe. So she clutchs quote, she clutches at the
mash screening and is rocking side to side like a
small child, says a cousin of hers. But a spokesperson
for the department said about releasing her, she exhibited no
signs of mental illness or intoxication. She was fine, She's

(01:18:56):
an adult, Okay, but you don't let them go without
a fucking wall of her cell phone.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Yeah, none of this makes sense, Like, it doesn't add up.
Is she an adult then?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Then? What's like?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Then? Why are you treating her? Why would you lock
her purse away? Yeah, and not answer questions to her parents.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Okay, don't worry. It gets worse, Okay, I'm like it
always does. So the station flog shows that my Rise
made four phone calls to her grandmother. But at and
T phone records don't reflect those calls for whatever reason.
So the surveillance tape also shows a deputy leaving the
station right after my trease was released, like leaving towards

(01:19:40):
where she was going. But the deputy maintained that he
wasn't at the station before the tapes were released. He
said he wasn't there that night. Then when he's caught
in his lie, he stated, the night this nonsense happened,
I was one of the guys that kept away from this,
minding my own business, which is like what that insinuates
that some thing was going on that you kept out of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yes, well, also, it's your job to be at the
police station and take care of the people that are
at the police station. That's not nonsense, right, that's your
job of a person's in distress. This isn't This is
a person that is in mental distress.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Well, the nonsense could have been, you know, the actions
police took when she got there, whatever happened to her there,
If anything happened to her there, I'm speculating. So that's
the nonsense he could have been talking about, you know
what I mean? So three, it wasn't Hew three months
later January twenty ten, that Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department

(01:20:44):
conducted so three months later, conducts one of the largest
scale searches in the history of the department. Over three
hundred volunteers trained in search and rescue participate in the
eighteen square mile search of the area of Malibu Canyon
and the hills of Malibu Creek State Park. They find
racially and sexually offensive graffiti on the walls of a

(01:21:05):
culvert in the canyon. That graffiti was freshly painted, and
the paint cans, brushes, and other potential evidence was left
at the scene, and Matrise wasn't found. Finally, almost a
year after she disappeared from the station, in August twenty ten,
park rangers who were looking to see if marijuana growers
had returned to Dark Canyon, they stumble on my Teresa's naked,

(01:21:27):
mummified body. She was in a very secluded creek bed
in Malibu Canyon, with the clothes she was wearing the
night she disappeared, scattered around.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Oh so they had been taken off of it, Yeah,
or she took them off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Now here's the most fucked up thing. Okay, okay, deputies,
by a protocol, should have waited for the coroner to
arrive so that my Teresa's remains could be photographed, the
site inspected for clues, and the crime scene established. Instead,
against orders by the coroner, who later said that he
was very clear with officials, the deputies bagged Richardson's remains

(01:22:05):
and airlifted them by helicopter. WHOA, before the corner could
even get there, WHOA, this is okay. The corner said
that he could not think of another case in which
police agency had moved entire skeletal remains without corner's approval.
To prove this point. Months later, my Teresa's mother so
I can, so this is proof my Teresa, how badly

(01:22:28):
it was done. My Teresa's mother was visiting the site
where her body, where her daughter's body was found, and
found a fingerbone that belonged to my Teres left behind
in the dessert, in the dessert, in the dirt. Oh
my god, I think there's an article that they're with
her and they find that that's that's insane. Finds in
the spot oh look, and digs out of fucking fingerbone

(01:22:51):
that have been left behind because the proper people.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Didn't did they eventually prove it really was hers.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Yeah, it was her for sure. And there have also
been small toebones, finger and verted bray found left behind,
and also the bones from her neck. There's bones from
her neck, foot in hand missing from her body. It
her remains, So what, Yeah the fuck? This is such

(01:23:17):
a crazy case because I followed it step by step.
So her leaving, I was like, what happened? And everyone
was like, what could have happened to her? And then
you see the surveillance video and you're like, oh, that's
some shady shit. Then they find her body and then
the bones are fucked. It's just like it just keeps
getting worse. So the disturbance made it so that the

(01:23:38):
corner was enabled to determine how she died.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Right, I think that would be the idea, right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
And the jeans, belt, and black bra that were discovered
a few free from her body. They were found, but
they were not tested for signs of foul play and
were buried along with her, so they weren't tested for
any DNA, any you know, ripping or anything that would
have uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
This is like that thing. It's it just reminds me
of like it where you don't know what things you
need to be in place until you realize they're not
in place. So it's like once a corner tells people
don't move that body and the police airlift the body away,
shouldn't then those police be frozen in no longer they're

(01:24:27):
no longer active duty in this case because they're clearly
hiding something like there should be protocol for the corner
to then go to some other police chief.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Yeah, and this is where so this article I was
gonna I got a lot of them from. It's a
Newsweek article by Alexander Nazaryan who this article is really
great because he talks a lot about the LAPD corruption
and why this could have taken place, and they're like
rampant racism that was going on at the time to
a point where you know, the second in command and

(01:25:00):
is going to prison for fifteen years because of corruption.
So it's incredibly corrupt. There's like, you know, rampant anti
anti rampant racism, and so he tells I don't talk
about it a lot in this, but he tells background
of why this is so obvious and you know, could

(01:25:21):
have happened this way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
When you and I think most people that are into
true crime watched the the ESPN thirty by thirty of g.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Simpson. Yeah, that part.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Of the Darrel Gates era of the LAPD was so
shocking an eye opening to me. And it going all
the way back to the riots in the sixties. It's
just so crazy how long this has been a humongous
problem in Los Angeles. That is never that it hasn't

(01:25:57):
been solved or even derased addressed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Yeah, no, for sure. And it's it's not not happening anymore,
you know, it's it hasn't changed at all. No, No,
it's just hidden better. And you know, we've we've put
a band aid over some of the things to make
it look less horrifying, but it's still there. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
And also it's just the it's the rationalist the justification
of using the violence and the crime that happens in
the day to day to then justify any behavior on
the part.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
I mean, it's just it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
I have plenty, I have a bunch of people who
are police people in my family. I'm not anti police.
I'm it's down to the person, though, especially in this
day and age, it's down to the person because there's
because it's just such a it's like such a closed
you know, like it's a frat basically.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Well, yeah, and in LA and I'm sure a lot
of other cities specifically, the cards are stacked against you
if you're not white and you don't have money, yes,
and you're you know, the cards are stacked against you.
You don't start at zero sum, yes at all? Yeah,
And I yeah, I don't, you know, I don't want

(01:27:16):
to forget that as someone who lives here and knows
that I'm fucking privileged as shit to be where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Well, and also just we don't have to think about
totally how bad it could be. I mean, this is like,
this is like saying you can't be mentally ill or
you will just be almost literally thrown to the wolls.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Right, it's insanity. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
And what did happen to her at that police station?

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Yeah? Then it opens up that whole door. The mental
illness thing is incredible because it's like you should have
taken her and admitted her for psychiatric treatment because she
was mentally unstable and unsound to make her own decisions.
And not only did you not do that and keep
her in prison or keep her in jail until her
could come or someone could come. You let her out

(01:28:02):
without money, without a jacket, without any You knew she
wasn't going to get anywhere. It's not like she could
have hitchhiked or she didn't hitchhike, and that's what happened.
But it's they're still culpable.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Right, Well, yeah, Also, what's the if you know? See,
that's the thing is this isn't just a random person
that they don't know and like, well, too bad for you,
and you're an adult. There's someone contacting you, telling you
what the situation is, telling you there are concerns, and
you still do the thing against.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
That person's wishes. Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Makes leads me to believe something else was taking place,
because why would you hide Why would you say we
just let her go and she left and it's not
our problem that it makes that feels like cover up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Well, it's so crazy. The mom specifically was like, she
doesn't know the area and I don't want her to
get killed. But what's so frustrating to me listening to
the tape of her mother calling is like this feeling
of nobody. Like I think a lot about when you
call the cops and they don't help you. What do
you You can't call the cops again, Like that's your last Yes,

(01:29:07):
that's your last. That's supposed to be the last option
is you call the cops and they help you. Yeah,
but it's so sad to be Like the moment the
minute they told her to wait two hours and she
hung up the phone, I picture her in her house
and her family having to wait two hours. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah,

(01:29:27):
and she's not a runaway, you know, you let you guys,
let her out, and the minute they're like oh shit,
they're then they're culpable and they're open for Well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Also, it doesn't make sense because it's like, oh, if
you're going to treat this person like, oh there, look,
she went to a restaurant, she ate eighty dollars worth
of food and she couldn't pay for it, and we
arrested her. Okay, got it. Yeah, all of that makes
sense to me. Yeah, you're it is illegal to do
that thing, and they're but there, then you learn there
are extenuating circumstances and it so clearly it wasn't that

(01:29:58):
big of a crime to you if you just released her.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
The next list, right, so you didn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
This isn't you're not holding her for robbery or what
would that be. You're not holding her that's not stealing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Well, when I when I was a teenage you now,
like in seventh grade, and got caught stealing, you know,
they give you a ticket, like the ticket you like
cop would Yeah, and you move on. You know. Yeah,
it's like, well, why didn't that just happen? Well, it's
because they've then searched her car and found you know.

(01:30:32):
But then they're not holding her for drugs. They're no,
because she took a sobriety test and she passed. Yeah, fuck,
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
It's just like you can't you can't justify the police
action in this because nothing is adding up to this
is a criminal and soil we treated her like a criminal.
It's like, may you know this is a person, this
is say, a criminal who ate eighty dollars worth of
food that she couldn't pay for in a manic episode,

(01:31:02):
and then people do way crazier shit.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Well, yeah, we've talked about a Lisa Lamb and how
that could have been how she got in the water tank,
which you know, if you compare these two cases, it's like, yeah,
you do crazy shit when you're going through a manic episode. Yes,
But also the lost I feel like you're talking about
we're talking about a police department or a police Yeah,

(01:31:25):
a police department Lost Hills that deals mostly with rich
white people upset about something. They don't know how to
deal with something like this, and so they I don't know, Yeah, yeah,
so that I think that makes a big difference. It's
not like it was, you know, the Hollywood Police Department,
which also wouldn't have been as big of a deal

(01:31:47):
because if they let her out in Hollywood, she'd have
fucking places to go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
Well, and also I would think that they would be
much more used to dealing with people with mental illness
the Hollywood Police Department. Like there's that one on Wilcox
that's just like never not hopped totally day and night.
There's somebody pulling in or pulling out of that because
that's my that's my sneak up to get out of
Hollywood and go home.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Don't tell anyone the sneaks Willcox.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
That's my snake at Wilcox, man, that's like that's the
North South Fountain. Yeah, but totally.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
But I mean, like you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
It's like it's almost like a privileged police apartment because
they don't have that much happening there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
So they don't have experience with these sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
And when they do, it's like some crazily rich, drunk
white woman or says who's like fuck you? Or mel
Gibson who or I think oh didn't. Also, they pull
over Reese Withtherspin and she said, do you know who
I am?

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I'm pretty sure that happened in Malibou anyway, whatever. That's
that kind of thing of like everyone's kind of living
up to this certain So it's suddenly like, oh, there's
a black girl that ate ate food she couldn't pay for.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
And she's acting a little bonkers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, so now we're going to treat her like the
criminal she is. Well, okay, but then that means you
would that that would mean process in a criminal way
that keeps her safe.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
That the thing of the mom going please don't let
her go.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
That's just.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
We have to get plumbers. So my beautiful new house
it's now having plumbing problems.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Is everybody they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
Know, But I hope that's not a ghost. It's just
plumbing problem. It just suddenly starts like like it's about
to overflow with like fucking with racial tension. All right, yes,
all of that is correct. They find her body, all

(01:33:42):
these bunds are missing, they can't determine how she died,
and then her shit's not tested for foul play. Okay,
Then there's no explanation given for why investigators were never
able to find her vans, sneakers or her teach that
she was rang when she disappeared. Her jeans, belt, and

(01:34:05):
black bra were there, which is like you could be like, well,
animals came and got them, but it's like why would
they pick a pair of shoes and a T shirt
and not all this other stuff and her body wasn't
messed with. It's not right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Also, that makes me think of I did those stories
about the deaths on Mount Hood. I mean it was
no Crater Lake, the Crater Lake stories that I did
in Portland, and one of them there was a guy
that they found his body like years later, and it
was a skeleton sitting in jeans. Like jeans don't just
come off. It's not that animals can't take your jeans.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Off, right, right, Yes, animals can't take your jeans off
is what Steven's writing down right now, I can tell
think about what he's sorry, sorry, sorry sorry. We need
like a booth to put him in where we can't
see him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
But also going back to the e Lisa lamp thing,
she took her clothes off too, right, that's the thing
that happens to manic people.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Yeah, And you know, I think another thing people don't
understand is how fucking cold it gets in the I
know La is like warm all the time, but in
the mountains in La and especially in Malibu by the
ocean and next to the ocean, really fucking cold. It's cold.
So maybe she was having hypothermia, which is a thing
that they take their clothes off. But then why wouldn't
they have found the rest of them, you know, traced

(01:35:27):
her the trail she took and found the other stuff. Okay.
My Teresa's parents have maintained that their daughter should never
have been released on her own by the Sheriff's Department.
They filed several lawsuits against the Los Angeles County Sheriff's
Department for releasing her from jail, even though they claim

(01:35:47):
she was experiencing severe bipolar disorder at the time. In
twenty eleven, they won a civil lawsuit against the county. However,
two reports by the Office of Independent Review found the
LAPD not culpable form my Teresa's death, deeming it was
not it was not a homicide and there was no

(01:36:08):
foul play, Then.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Why do they airlift the fucking body against the corner's wishes?

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
And the coroner couldn't say how she died, So how
can you definite, definitively say it was a homice it
was not a homicide?

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Yeah, because yeah, you don't gave that report.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Yeah, well you don't have the neck bunce to test
to see if she was choked to death because you
fucking left them behind.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yeah it's months later. Yeah, the body has been out
there for months.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Sorry, Yeah, no, So I'm yelling at you. You're the
one that told me the story.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
And they also clear they were also cleared of any
wrongdoing in how to how it handled the discovery of
her remains. So they were like, and also, it's fine, okay,
uh Ron's great Rhonda Hampton, who's the woman that Alexander
uh Nazarian from the Newsweek article, It like kind of

(01:37:01):
goes around with and interviews her. She was a psychologist
at one time in an office where my Teresa had interned,
so she's really devoted to finding answers. She's just this
really awesome woman. She filed a dozen complaints about the
various deputies involved in my Teresa's case. Nine of these
were registered with the Internal Criminal Investigations Bureau. But they

(01:37:22):
are treating them as instead of let's see, they're treating
them as service complaints, not matters of potential criminality, which
is like they're just belittling them, you know, or yeah,
minimizing them. On December thirty of twenty sixteen, which is recently,
results of the criminal investigation into the handling of my

(01:37:44):
Teresa's case concluded that there was insufficient evidence to support
criminal prosecution of anyone involved in the handling of the case,
and either way, the statute of limitations for concealment or
tampering of evidence like the surveillance tapes had passed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
Just wow, the end, I mean, that sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Yeah, that's just straight up fantastic. And I mean pac Man,
So that was a theme of the day of sucktastic shit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
It's almost well, it's like rich cop, rich police departments
getting caught doing what they want and covering it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
And not getting any kind of and not getting in
trouble for it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Yeah, that's the thing about opening the door to prosecuting
police then opens the door. I understand that, thinking that
it opens this door to like.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Anybody. But yeah, it's like it goes deeper and deeper
and you know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
Still it has to get solved because there are such
It's like it's the most natural thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
The exploitation of power.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
It's like you give a man a gun and say
you have the legal right to use this on whoever
you want, you know, to your discretion. Is so much
power for one person to have a man or one
or whoever.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
They're just people. They're people like you and me that
just are now police like they're not. They're my neighbor,
they're like any all dude, they're your fucking ex boyfriend girlfriend,
they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
And they are also people who are being traumatized by
what they see in the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Streets every day or like what's it called when you
just stop caring about it? Apathy? Yeah. Yeah, so but.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
There's like real things going on. Did you ever watch Southland?
It was such a good show. No, such a good show.
My good friend Sean Hattisy was one of the stars
and he was the best. But there was a character
it that used to take a ton of pills because
he had like an on the job injury, but he
didn't want he couldn't go out on disability, so he

(01:40:09):
was just in tons of pain all the time and
then just taking tons and tons of like pain killers,
and it just is like it was just the most fascinating,
like it's there's a why behind all of this and
needs to get analyzed and it needs to get fixed.
H And that's like part of it is that where
it's just like you're going out there, you're in pain,
You're you deal with the worst society has to offer

(01:40:31):
every single day as your job, and you have.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
To make split second decisions on what's gonna happen to
who and why? Yeah, and you you have to stand
behind those or else you're gonna look weak and your
whole department's gonna look weak. Yeah, and you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Yeah, it's just it's it's it's rough. I do have
a good piece of news. If we could we could
actually finish this on like an up tick, which is
kind of interesting because again on the LAist, I saw
an article this morning that the LAPD is revising their

(01:41:08):
use of force policy with an eye toward de escalation.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
Oh my god, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
Can you fucking believe that?

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Shit? That's that's the word that needs to be in place.
Constantly escalation. You can do that, so it said.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
On Tuesday, the Los Angeles Police Commission approved a revised
I'm trying to read this article and someone calling me?

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
Who was it?

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
I almost I almost picked it up. I have to
text somebody now. Now I have to wait till they
stop calling me so I can go back to my thing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
So who calls anybody? I mean, okay, okay, we'll come.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Back in here on Tuesday, the Los Angeles Please, don't
you dare.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
That's real.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
I was bragging about getting calls. On Tuesday, the Los
Angeles Police Commission approved a revised use of force policy
that favors de escalation over use of deadly force. The
new policy requires officers to try and de escalate situations
using non lethal force whenever possible before firing their guns.
That's a huge step somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:42:19):
It always blows my mind when yeah, it always blows
my mind when someone a cop shoots to kill someone
when you could have just shot them in the shoulder
or in the knee or anywhere, you don't have to
shoot them in the head. Like on those feeless boulevard
near where we live, like not a few months ago,
some guy, I don't know what he was doing, but

(01:42:39):
cops shot him right in the fucking head. Yeah. And
it's like, if you thought he was he was burglarizing someone,
he definitely didn't have a weapon. Just shoot him in
the fucking knee, man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Yeah. There just needs to be more tools, Yeah, more options.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Ever, it's it's becoming such a like it all or nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Yeah, And who knows, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
I'm just saying from what I read and these reports
and the fact that you know these videos that go
up where it's like the cop that just there was
a jay walker?

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Did you see that? It's just another one.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
It's a video that during all the other horrible things
that are happening, people are going, can we please retweet
this and make this the story too, because it's a
guy that's jaywalking. The cop comes and just fucking cole
cox him and gets him on the ground and just
starts beating, the ship shaking. It's that stuff where it's
just like that stuff has to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
And that's that one guy who was a fucking piece
of shit. You know, it's not like that. Unfortunately, he
represents the entirety of his you know, the tired of his.
But it's probably this fucking asshole and maybe his partner's like, Jesus,
I've been warning them that this guy's insane or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
I mean, yeah, it's just it's awful, I know, so.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
Yeah, can I I'll tell you a thing. It's funny.
So Vince sent me this article today that this this
why this ex wife of her husband's dying of cancer.
It's not funny. And he's like a couple of days
away from dying. He's kind of out of it, and

(01:44:17):
she wanted him to die with a happy thought in
his head. So she told him that Trump had been impeached.
I almost started crying when I heard that, because it's
not sweet. And he believed it, and he was like, Okay,
I'm so glad to hear that, and then he died.
Can you really so touching? But it's also so awful.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
It's it's where we're at, hey, man, it is where
we're at, making the best of it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
By talking about murder, we're doing it. Happy birthday, Stephen,
Happy birthday, Stephen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Please do something about police corruption as soon as you
can in your.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
Thirties, Steven, did you please? You have one job? Stop
police corruption?

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Please?

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Can we please? And thanks for listening you guys. You're
fucking gorgeous people with beautiful souls and hearts. Thank you
so much. And stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
Oh Elvis, Elvis, do you cut this part where we're
just talking and he doesn't come sometimes? Elvis, you want
to cook key? Oh, come on, Elvis, you want to
cook key. Oh he's just a dick about it now,
he won't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
He waited till he got to the mic.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Elvis, you want to cook he yeah, all right, there
it is. Cookie, good boy. Me Me go to sleep,
Stay sleeping,