68 - Q&T&A - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last birthday week, the birthday.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's a birthday month. I love that we're traveling on
my birthday. I know that's the that's the what we
give up for this podcast. What if I get the
whole plane to sing happy birthday to you, I will
ache with this podcast. But he never talked to you again.
You know that's my sensitivity.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I cannot in a restaurant have anyone seeing it Happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Right no?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Wow, okay, okay, okay, I didn't think so, but I
couldn't remember if it was like funny or horrifying for you.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well, a plane would be bad because then you just
have to sit there like a restaurant. What'd you say?
I think it would be the best because then expected
well also people hate your guts. It's like in a restaurant,
you can join in or not. Get in a plane,
then you're you're just trapped with fake fun. But like
remember when we were at that restaurant in Portland, the
Turkey restaurant, and oh yeah, and someone's saying happy birthday

(01:07):
and it was so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh yeah. I always sing along, piece sing along always.
It's always like not I mean like people, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
It's the most fun.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
It is like you're so happy for them. Yes, they
have friends or a loved one.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That they're celebrating, that this is a good thing. We're
all in some way glad you're here.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Or then it's just like a couple on a first date.
You're like, did one of them make it up to
seem fun that it's their birthday and tell them?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Or like is they are they that pathetic that they
have to make up birthdays to be fun?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Or is it a girlfriend who just got dumped in
her friends with her and she's like, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
What, you de serve a candle. I'm gonna fucking I'm
gonna make you laugh. I'm gonna get you free hot fudge.
That's how much I love you. Hey, this is my
favorite murder. We started We Are the true crime podcast
that asked the question what if we talked about it?
There's stuff and also that's the question, just pronounce things

(01:59):
in a week way. It sounds like I'm that's our tagline, hobo.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
This is the first uh. This is the first podcast episode.
Slash transmission from the podcast Nook of my new apartment.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
It's a loft.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
There's wrestling memorbilia everywhere, because we watch wrestling. Name this place, Uh,
we watch murder. That's this is what we want is
called Yeah, that's awesome because they record here, they get
they get one wall of murder memory of podcasting them Nope,
where am I wrestling? Wrestling memorabilia, and we get one
and a half very filled out, very full of gifts murdering.

(02:40):
No gifts to us, Yes, one of which we just
got and I'm so in love with It's He's like
plush pillows, one for each of us.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
The squirrel got custom.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Made fabric of squirrels and bunnies and foresty stuff and
it's adorable. But there's also murder scenes and it's cartoon
murder scenes and skulls and bones and like buried bodies.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, and then strips of material. Let's say stay out
of the forest.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
It looks like, you know, police do not cross the line,
but it says stay out of the forest.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
And they're amazing. Let's get her very cute shout out.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
It's called Uh, her name is Mariah and it's Etsy
dot Com and her name is cou kalamaka Coculamacla.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
That's that. I don't know, you're right, I'm just thrown
it out there. That's right, huh. It's k O O
k A l A m A k A.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
I hope she's selling these because they're fucking incredible and
they're like, they're like legit.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, and also they're on this. For all the other
people who have given us lovely gifts, just know they're here.
They're all they're all around us right now. Somebody tweeted
at me the other way the other day, did your
lava ball necklace make it back from the Fox Theater,
which is like first the first leg of the tour
way long ago? And I would like to report to
that person, Yes, of course it did. It's not it's

(03:59):
not in this loft. It's somewhere in my kitchen. But
we all the stuff people give us, we ship back
and then we like sit in it.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's gonna be once it's all up and I finally
dealt with it, it's gonna be. This place is gonna
be a fucking hoarder's nightmare of murder.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
So good. So thanks for those thank you lovely gifts.
Oh so now we have to talk about casting Jambinet because.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
You guys were like I thought you were gonna yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So here's what I'll just do the quick version of
the what happened? We decide what we're gonna do is
do our first ever live watching podcast recording. We're together,
George and I watch casting Jambinet and comment on it
as it goes and basically have that kind of experience
would not be hilarious and fun and just fascinating. Turns out, no,

(04:51):
I would say we got well. It turned out that
casting John Beinet was not the thing we thought it was.
It was a different thing. I would personally say. It
was a study on the strange personalities and behavior of actors. Yeah,
that's close. There was a lot of the desperation of
the of show business. There were a lot of other

(05:14):
things happening besides just the story of John Bennie Ramsey's murder.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
That maybe this will finally be the thing that catapults me,
much like my favorite murder wasn't when we started, yeah,
because we.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Never uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
And it was a lot of opinions of people that
I didn't care about.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Their opinions. It's their opinions seemed super made up. And
as we all know, no one likes to look in
the mirror, right, So I was sitting there going you lady,
shut your mouth. You don't know anything about it, and
then I was like, oh, damn it. So it was not.
I think we got fifteen twenty minutes in and we
just like looked at Stephen, We're like, turn it off.
This is not because I couldn't. It wasn't even like

(05:56):
I could riff about it. It was two weird Lots
of the things that were happening were ual, yeah, or
feel like just bad vibes, and we were basically sitting
there kind of shitting on normal people who are tricked
into being in this documentary.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think in the beginning, when we didn't realize what
it was, we were like, this is funny and it's good,
and like we were being really funny and griffy, and
then it got kind of sad, and then we just
I realized we had both been sitting there in silence
for five minutes. Yeah, and I was like, this isn't.
What do we do for this week's episode because this
isn't fucking it? And so we put up a live
our one of our favorite live episode, one of our

(06:29):
favorite people had been asking for. So we were gonna
put out anyways, we've We've built.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
In a security system so that we can take artistic chances,
but that was not one we should have ever. This
week is one we're going to take and I feel
like it's going to go. Well, this is a good one, Stephen.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Was this your idea Q and A episode?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (06:48):
I think it was all like was it Jeorgia?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah? Well no, no, no, it is such a brat. I
hated it. Look on your face. When I just looked
over you right now, you were just like, I hate
my It was like, I hate myself. Why do I
just let everyone have it? You can? Yes, you don't
think I do that all day long? That's all anyone.
If you think of good ideas, you want credit for

(07:10):
fucking know it all? Sorry, thank you to Stephen's cheeks
are all red and now he feels a deep shame
for something and I like, stole it? Did you steal it? No?
I Stephen, No, you're good, thank you, Steven. Let her over.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
I was just gonna say, yeah, Q and A it's
gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
You are correct in your A. The queue is it
go on? What I was just gonna say, did you
have something to say about John Benet? Look like you
were going to pick up the mic.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Oh I was gonna say. We ended up watching like
forty five minutes of it.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Oh my god, you have to.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
So if you want to pay a thousand dollars to
listen to that, give it to charity. We don't need it,
but you can't. Also, you know you're not allowed to.
We won't tell you what charity it is.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
You're such a marketer, you're such a like, how do
we take this thing and turn it into And I
love it. I'm a know it all and I'm a
fucking marketer. I'm a know it all. I'm a non marketer.
So pick one. I mean, there's all these lanes we
can be in. But here's the thing, know it All's
it's because we have experience being right and so it's
you know what I mean, you know why. It's because

(08:16):
we actually know it all everything. I mean, if there's
anything this podcast has proven is that we know everything.
We know everything down to science. Someone tweeted and said,
please make sure people understand that it is important to
give like resuscitation, and like it was something where there

(08:38):
was a person who had a lot of experience. It
was just like you've basically told people, they don't have
to give yeah, artificial artificial respiration or whatever, any of
that story about it. You can pull the thing off
the wall and there's a woman like, please know that's
not true at all. There's a blowhorn on the wall.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
And if you just cram it in their face and
blowhorn in their face, fine, you don't have to give CPR.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
You don't have to know CPR anymore. No, congratulations.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, okay, So but something came out of the Gambinet episode.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yes, that's right, because we did take the time at
the beginning to reveal each other's tramp stamps to each other,
which is promise. Yeah, thank god, Karen remember that. Yeah, so,
so we're actually gonna play that was real time. Yeah,
I don't want to play that bad tiend. We're not
going to recreate it.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, so we're gonna play you our reveal that we
promised you of our tramp stamps.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Go quickly tell everyone how and why, uh and where
and under what conditions you got your tramp stamp?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Go?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh yeah, I had my heart broken really.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Bad for like the first big time ever was I
was like nineteen, and it was like ripped from my
fucking chest. And I just needed a distraction so badly.
I was so sad that I was just like, I'm
getting a fucking tattoo. So I had my friend, perfect solution,
you know what I mean. I was just like, I
need something else to fucking focus on. So I had
my friend who had a bunch of tattoos, take me
to the tattoo artists.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
In an Orange County. Then he went too, ended up sucking.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, and I got hearts on both my like upper flanks.
What do.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
You use the word flank? Which is great and perfect
so you can see that in your mind. Absolutely. So
it's two red hearts with a black little outline on them.
They're cute. Yeah, it's almost like you like you accessorized
yourself permanently. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, I don't mind when I never see them and
I forget they're there.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
And it totally worked. It totally distracted me. Yeah, that's great. Guys,
get a tattoo if you're sad. Yeah, it's perfect. What
about you. I just have a salmon. I just have
a picture of a salmon.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Is it like a filet of salmon on a plate
with like some parsleys.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
It's some delicious braised salmon. It's a It's actually looks
exactly like the sticker on the back of a fisherman's
truck cab. You know those. Yeah, it's like, oh here,
I like fishing these specific kind of fish. It's based
on that picture.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Color? It? Okay? Why did you get that? Alcoholism? And
we why salmon? I've told the story before, but the
original plan was we were going to get pokemahone tattooed
on our asses. It was me and my two other
alcoholic friends. What's that or I mean party friends. That's
gaylic for kiss my ass. So we thought we were drunk.
We thought would be very funny to get that tattooed

(11:20):
on our ass. We went to the tattoo parlor on
Sunset It's not there anymore. And when we told the
guy that was a plan, he refused to do it.
He said it would look terrible, the words would have
to be too big. I thank fucking God for him.
But then my friends, who also already had tattoos, had
backup like planned piece immediately, and I was just standing there,

(11:40):
still totally drunk and like, I don't know, And so
I did like a thing that I thought would be
kind of funny or like, I can't really explain it.
It's just the perfect symbol of how I did everything
in the nineties, almost like a it's a fuck it tattoo. Yeah,
it's so who fucking cares about life tattoo? It's a
permanent fuck it, which is what's stupid about it. Well,

(12:01):
it's on your back. Who sees it? Nobody? Not me
when you're walking away, not me, not me.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I love the fact that you hate fish. Yeah, I
can't eat fish.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Can't eat it.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
All right, Stephen, look away, we're going to show each
other truck stamps. Can I, Karen, show me your salmon.
It's not going to be good your salmon tail. It's
not a whale tail. Let's see. Oh wow, it's actually
done really well. It's really light too. Yes, it's like
a shade. It's well shaded. I was expecting like a
cartoon outline of Oh no, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's actually done really well. It's not as big as
I thought it would be. He's wearing glasses. Yeah, he's
got a cigar in his mouth. For me, it feels humongous,
like the size of the palm of my hand.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
It's not honestly, and I'm not just you don't need
to do this, but if you wanted to get that removed,
I bet it would take just a few sessions.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I bet it would, because it's not that it just
looks almost like veins, like strangely plays veins right now,
really light. Okay, let's se are you already? Mine isn't.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
And if I ever want to get removed, I just
have to cut my flanks off.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh at least you have flanks. Yeah, talk about mudflaps. Oh, America,
I wish you could see what I'm seeing right now.
Thank you. It's such a nineteen year old Georgian move,
so good. I mean it looks like too missus Grossman's
stickers on either side of the above of your butt cheeks.

(13:22):
That's so funny, blacket man, just kind of classic.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, fuck it, Adriane, thank you for breaking my heart.
Thank you for having a girlfriend the whole.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Time you were dating me, Oh, Adrian and you were
ghosting me, Adrian, what did you think was going to happen?
And also, do you still feel that now that human
impact hangover that you left? Uh? Yeah, do you feel it?
We're friends on Facebook? Yeah, I know, that's why I
can't be on Facebook. I'm so much better than him.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Now I'm one, and you got the hearts to prove it,
and I got the blacking hearts to prove it. Hearts
and the butt hearts, the heart of your butt, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, so that's tattoo. Okay, we just had to We
had to get that cleared up before we could give
our full attention. You can't keep talking about it and
then not do it. That's exactly right, Okay, I remember, remember,
and then so something did come out? Good of Yeah,
we learned a little more about each other. We're just

(14:21):
building that bridge of love. If you had to get
another tattoo, or would it be your face next to
the salmon on the salmon, You're you're in the salmon's birthmark,
and it's all fate. It's like God's close up look
God's own salmon.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I mean, I feel like obligated to get a stay sexy,
don't get murder tattoo?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
You do, I do?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
But then what if it all goes to shit and
I'm like reminded every day but like this ended in
a fire.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well you'll be reminded every day anyway, So you might
as well make it look like you have some sort
of sense of humor about it. That's true, you can't.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
And then if I get stay sexy, you don't get murder.
When it all ghost to shit, I can write I
didn't stay sex right at the top.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
They're all so they're so adjustable. There's tattoos. There's nothing
more flexible than a tattoo.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Oh and then oh I wanted to read a corrections
corner email. Yeah right, yeah, I guess what I was
wrong about stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
This is Georgia, by the way, this.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Is from w How do you say that name?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Let's see Hilloa. It's got to be better than Shiloh. Shit,
you're right. How come I can't put letters and they're
correct because you panic?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
I have paniced dyslexia is.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Don't you think like the second you look at it
and it's not immediately recognizable, you're like, you're gonna get
it wrong, and then you don't let yourself. I also
don't think that. Then.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
I do want to say that the name Chevon, the
spelling is not fair. I think I've said that before anyways.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
The Irish name Chevon, Yeah, it's spelling. It looks like
siobon it's not fair. It's in sanity, but that's Gaelic.
That's like a whole different language. As someone who can't
read things, it's not fair. Okayah, that one's not fair.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
First of all, I wanted to thank you for Shelley
for sharing my tce's tragic story.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's a couple episode back.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's my Terce Richardson, a really great not great, but
a horrible story.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's important. Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Anyways, I think it's incredibly important for the public to
be aware of such mishaps and encouraged law enforcement entities
to learn from these tragedies. Both of the agencies mentioned
in your story have been around for a long time
and have both wonderful triumphs and shameful pieces to their history.
My correction is to bring awareness that the LAPD and
the La County Sheriff's Department are not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Both are two enormous departments within the County of Los Angeles,
and lots of people think that they are synonyms for
each other. However, when referring to specific cases, especially when
there is when there was neglect or misuse of powers,
it's important to hold the correct agency accountable. In your
retelling of the story, you actually referred to both. However,

(16:54):
this was entirely the Los Angeles County Sheriff Sheriff's Department case.
Lap was not involved whatsoever. Thank you, Steven for taking
the time to read this. I only made the correction
because I know that you have such a large audience
and don't think that incorrect information, especially in such a
turbulent social and political climate towards law enforcement, should be perpetuated.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
True.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
A small additional correction, A law enforcement officer is never
trained to shoot someone simply to injure them, for instance,
hit them in the shoulder or the leg, said Georgia.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
He didn't write that, or she didn't write that. I
said that.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
There are other tools at their disposal for less than
lethal force, and the firearms only meant for one purpose.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
So interesting.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
If I can ever be of any help on any
of these topics, please feel free to reach out. I
think we needed this person in an entire episode.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
I am a forensic psychologist with a research background and
police psychology, and I also have law enforcement experience.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Keep up the amazing work, ladies. I love all that
you do. Shiloh.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Wow, thank you so much for that email. I mean, listen,
you know.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
What's embarrassing to me about that email is I have,
as I've mentioned several times, a lot of relatives in
the San Francisco Police apartment, right, but I also have
had relatives that are sheriffs. So I feel like if
anyone should have known that very big difference, I should
have at least said such the comedy writer, No, why

(18:23):
would you know that? I don't know. I just feel
like that's something I kind of know back in the
back of my mind. But I think it's because they
were They do it in different areas, so like if
you were to tell me they were synonymous, I would
have been like, oh, yeah, that makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
That was a perfect email of telling us why we
were wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
And also information that we do really need to.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Be Yeah, I'm so happy to get those. In the
same way that when we were told that you don't
say prostitute, you say sex worker, we have just completely
tried never to do that again. I fucking correct people
all the time in the most cocky way.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Actually, Dad, I corrected my dad. Don't you feel like
there's nothing better? There's nothing more quickly that you do
that with new information, then turn around and use it
on somebody else, like that's my favorite thing. Oh the
second I'm gonna this second somebody says anything about the
sheriff and the lapd I'm gonna be like, hih, I'm sorry,

(19:16):
excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt your dinner. Those
are two different entities. They're not synonymous. And do I
use that word? And it's because.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
We know everything, yes, even until we learn it, and
then from there on.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Then yeah, but then we still know it. And time
is a flat circle.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
So last week when we played our live episode from Indianapolis,
is that right? And Karen's fucking fabulous murder.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
What was her name? Bell Gunnis?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Bell Gunnis had a fucking thing in the newspaper asking
for her husband that she was going to murder, and
it said at the.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
End, triflers need not apply.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
And we said to you guys at this show, that's
our next shirt and guess what it is. Yep, let's
do birthday corner. Oh, go to my favorite murder shirts
dot com.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm all over the place. I love it. Karen.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yes, when this comes out, it will be my booth,
God willing when this comes out, I.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Could be dead soon. That's true.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Well, I was thinking more that the entire world will
implode and there won't be some two days no grid,
off the grid, the grid will be down. That's going
to take at least four more months. I'd say four days.
So when this comes out on Thursday, we have let's
wait two days, two days day. Yeah, Friday, we're fucked.

(20:39):
But on Thursday, happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Thank you kindly.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
I'm so excited for you. We're going to be on tour.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yep, it's a dream birthday. I get to be in
a hotel room, which I loved. I get to go
do shows for our fans, which is the most fun,
the biggest, like ego boost, the most, the best way
to make a living. Oh, I thought you're being sarcastic
about the hotel room. No, I could live in hotel room. Yeah,
there's nothing I love more.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I thought you were gonna get like real dark and
deep of like I'm going to be alone.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
No, you're I'm going to be I'm gonna be alone.
I was like, Vincent, I will take you to dinner.
I was like, how much you want to be a couple.
That's like, no, you just make out the whole time. Anyway,
you guys, what TV shows do you like? I had
a show on your birthday that would be so fun.
Just travel the best part about touring.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Can I bring you a donna on stage on Friday.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
At the DC show? Whichever one's first?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Or do you not want a whole audience sing happy
birthday to you? You probably do?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Oh, I absolutely demand it. Okay, great, Stephen, What were
you gonna say Happy birthday?

Speaker 5 (21:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Just heavy birthday, Steve.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Thank you, Steven. I'm pretty excited. I mean, at my age,
you stop caring about birthdays. And I know that people
say that it's a real mom thing to say while
you threw a dish to owel over your shoulder, but
you really just you know, I.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Think at twenty three, you stop caring about birthda is
unless you're really.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Just unless you're really looking for something, yeah, really searching.
Yeah yeah, well that got dark. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Hey, let's get questions asked at us. Okay, that was
our new idea of questions. My my, it's a Q
and a episode.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Everybody get ready? Did you make any kind of keyboard
music for I Got Two Days? Yes? Can you do
you think you lay in like? Ready? Keyboard, exciting music.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Oh, I just saw a guy Brandham, so I'm thinking
about you know, talk show, game show. So I got
a yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Let's pause right here for Steve and to put his
his music in Q and a music.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh my god, Stephen, that was amazing. It's all teed
up now. Just a baby screaming, just the Jeopardy theme.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
That's really good.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
With a baby's screaming over it. That's perfect. There.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
So here's some stats. Four hundred emails in three point
five days.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
And yeah, that's the only stat I guess.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
The other stat is that the only status that words.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
So the first question I thought would be the most
interesting is who thought of the name my favorite murder?
And what were the this? Oh, Jessica asked this? And
what were the other name alternatives?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Oh? Never any other alternatives. It came out real fast
from how I remember it, Uh, I was I believe
we were on the phone. No, we were. I thought
we were at cafe one on one in a booth. Well,
that's very possible. You mean adder like that four hour
one of our.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
I think it was the one where I finally was like,
can we make this a podcast? And I was like
meet me here, we're doing this okay, and then we
we like slowly came up with the idea. Not slowly,
I think it was like pretty rapid.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
It was pretty fast.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
And then I think I went to pee and came
back and you were like what about this? Yeah, and
then I was like yes, and that was it. Yeah,
there was never any I remember the notebook I brought
and I recently went to find the page of like
notes I took on like what we could do, and
there wasn't any because it was just like, okay, let's
do that.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yes. I just remember you came out with the it
was like it was your idea to do it, and
then it was you brought the hometown murder idea. So
it was almost like it just went. It was like
watching something lay out in front of you where you're
just like, oh, yeah, this. I remember I remember pitching that,
but I for some reason, I remember being on the phone.

(24:43):
But then I also remember polutely could have been I mean,
who knew. I really I would never argue it, but
I do remember that night going home, and because I was,
I think I said verbally to you, what if we'd
had like a a kind of a dark true detective
style theme, and then I went home just to I
just sat in my TV room and did what is
now the actual theme one one take, but it was

(25:06):
a one take kind of example. It was supposed to
be an example. That's why the sound is so bad
on it. I wonder if we still have the text.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
I still have the I still have the recording you
sent me because it's in all the texts on your iPhone. Yeah,
but I just want it's got to be in there
somewhere of like, how's this song?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
And I think I.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Was like, great, let's do it. I think you recorded
it after we recorded our first episode.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, that's right, because the first one didn't have anything right.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I think the first one we just needed to put it.
Oh we put an opening.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, all right? Is this interesting? I don't know. Are
you interested? I'm interested? I this is fun. Do you
know what? I love to think about ourselves?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Totally you know what this podcast is talking about ourselves
totally awesome, talking about other stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, if you switch bodies freaky this is from Melissa. Yeah,
if you switched bodies freaky freaky Friday stuff for one day,
what would you do as the other person.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I would touch my big boob. I'm not kidding. I'm sorry,
I'm touching your boobs.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I just immediately it was like, I'd have big boobs.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I would start off with your most insane outfit, like
were you your most extreme vintage dress. I know which
one it is at pre breakfast, and I would change
my clothes twenty five times that day because I have
so many clothes, because you have so many outfits and
you have so many combinations. And George's is this thing
I call I have one shirt. I call it my

(26:33):
meeting shirt, and every time we George and I have
a meeting together, I show up in the same shirt.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
George a lot of meetings lately too, so it's kind
of been like, it's pretty hilarious.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I'm like, I am like, what am I going to?

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yep, and I'm like, should I leave now? I'm already
fifteen minutes late. But then Georgia rolls up in clothes
that I'm like, I remember people wearing that in nineteen
eighty two, Like these outfits that are so rad and perfect.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, I would do outfits shopping addiction. It's a problem, No,
But I did show up to therapy today and like
my favorite like sweater, and my therapist almost started crying
because she was like, I.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Had that when I was in elementary school. You have
so many clothes that I had in elementary school. It's hilarious.
That means wat to me. I love dressing. I love outfits.
This is what happens when all you have is hand
me down.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Is when you're a kid from like boys like your
older cousin boy cousins, you become a shopaholic and then
just have.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
All the clothes. Yeah, and the cutest dresses. Thank you.
I touch my boobs still.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Oh you know what I would do to I would
have cleavage that i'd learned what it was like for
someone to talk at my boobs, you know how like
girls are like he just stared right at my boos,
and he's that's never happened to me.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I think when you have big boobs, well, it just
depends on the kind of person you are. But I've
been the person that's been like, maybe I know you
know these are not the dys you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I'm sorry to objectify you. No, it's OK, I'm not
I'm sorry if I make you uncomfortable I'm just so bad,
like most basically an acup my entire life.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
I've always wanted to be the kind of girl that like, oh,
it's a special party, I'm going to put on I'm
going to get put a push up bron and put
on like this dress but my boobs. Like in that scenario,
it looks rated X. It's like it looks it looks
it looks like it's not for public consumption.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I also have like a seminus around showing too much skin,
where it's like, why do I have to do this
in society? Like I get, I definitely want I'll try
to wear a low cut shirt. I get sad, Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like you feel like you
feel like you have to Yeah, Like I feel objectified
like I'm doing to you right now.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Congratulations. It's fun when your friend does it though, okay,
it is. It's a compliment.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
So this is a question that we got from a
lot of people. But I had a question about it
because isn't the first episode technically your favorite murders John
Benet and the Sacramentos Easteria rapist are are those technically
my favorite murders?

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Asked that a lot when it's like, what is your
favorite murder? I just don't think there's an answer.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
No.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
So then my question is has that changed since you've
started doing this podcast? Has like has like your what
you would consider your favorites? Has it changed should all
since you started?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
I would say it has changed because to me, it's this,
it's the murder story. The best thing that lays out
as a story is become my favorite because when it's
like a person that's say, it's just like they killed
a bunch of people in one day at the end,
like it's hard to make that have legs or be

(29:40):
you know, like you have to do a bunch of
other research to pull that out in any way.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Like there's a lot of murders people are like, I
wish you would do this that we just can't because
there's not it's just this sad short story of.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Knowing there's no conclusion to it, or like I've we've
talked about this a couple of times, and there's been
a couple of people that tweeted. But the Georgia Moses story,
who is the other little twelve year old girl who
has murdered in my hometown who is black and so
she was basically the like the uh, it's the opposite
of poly class where poly class. It was a national
news story and nobody's ever heard of Georgia Moses. And

(30:13):
when I went I told people I would do that story,
and when I went to research it, every single part
of it is so depressing. She was so abandoned and
not taken care of and the you know, not supported
in any way, and no one helped her. No adults
in her life seemed to help her. She was such
a it's just the saddest story that like, I you know,

(30:36):
it's that kind of thing where then I just I
kind of avoid it because it's like, how do I
present this in a way that doesn't want to make
you just cry at the end.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, I think the word favorite is so I just
I love I love the stories and the mysteries and
the horrific circumstances behind it in a way that means
I fucking hate it so much that it makes me angry. Yeah,
So that's what you I mean. It's just so hard
to be like. Jean Benet is my favorite. John Benet

(31:04):
is really interesting to me because I think that it's
so diabolical and insane. And then I just I don't know,
there's no there's too many categories.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, I think to really pick one and to also,
I've answered that question differently every time we've been asked of.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Me too, just then we get asked like what was
your first one that you were interested in? For me,
it changes all the time, where like I'll remember a
new one and be like, oh, yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I just remember this morning that when I was like thirteen,
Jane's Addiction was my favorite band in the world, and
I just remembered they have a song called Ted just
admitted that was about Ted Bundy, which made me look,
who the fuck is Ted Bundy and made me look
into it? And that is just like you just what
was your first what was I don't know, what's your favorite?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, it's hard to remember those, Like everybody has a
million defining moments or a million like it. I mean,
like mine isn't even really a murder. I just remember
how excited I got when I went to check out
the Amityville Horror Book and my grammar school library and
sister Rita Rose, who was the oldest nun in the
game the world, still wearing a habit, and she had

(32:05):
like gnarled old fingers. She looked like a character from
a Stephen King novel. Oh my god. And I went
to check that book out and she was so angry
at me, but I was like, it's in the school library,
like it's not my fault. And I also checked it
out multiple times, but that was like, oh god, that
school right now. And found that book in Karen Kilgarrett's
little someone do that. But I mean, you know, being

(32:28):
then it's my birthday. We'll just say it was fucking
over thirty years ago. Isn't that insane? It was so
long ago, but it's still there.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
They don't rip those card catalog Dewey decimal shit out
of the books.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I wonder, it's amazing it. I can get my friend
Katie to go look because she works there. Katie, do it,
go do it? What was I'm sorry? What was the question?

Speaker 4 (32:48):
I think it just done? That was great?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
That was great? Mary?

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Oh sorry, Mary, ECHI I don't Mary with eke e
k asks what's the best worst reaction that you've gotten
from somebody who doesn't share your love of true crime?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well, I mean there are those social media messages we
get where it's like woman of satan, I'll kill you,
or things like that that we just immediately delete and
report and don't pay attention to.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know, what I did, which I know is a mistake,
but it ended up making me feel really good is
I read the comments on a thing we were in.
We were on the Washington Post. We had an interview
which was so incredible on this past weekend, and it
was amazing and it's like legit. And my mom went,
who pooh exclamation mark? And I told her about it,

(33:43):
and I started reading the comments and there were all
these people of like how dare they this and that?
And every single one was commented on by a fucking
murder you now very eloquently telling them why they were
incorrect and why it was actually good and not in
a dick way.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
And it was just like, we don't need, we don't.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Need to respond to those things because everyone's everyone's are
there are bullies for us?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Right? And also the people that that stance of like
the how dare you stance? Do you write to Keith
Morrison and say how dare you for reporting the murders
that you do and in a salacious way on twenty
twenty or whatever, you know what I mean, like, it's
are you bringing this to other people's doors? I bet
they're not.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I bet they are. Keith call us let us snap.
Can you come hang out with us?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
You're the only one that could answer that question.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Scotti asks how much money would you have to be
paid to hitchhike across the country?

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Is that Scotty Landis? I bet it?

Speaker 4 (34:40):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
No.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Scotty's like, because I want to take you on a
hitchhiking and I want to.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
He's a producer. He's like, that's my new show, hitchhiking
show where it shows real time how killed we get.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
And Scotty doesn't intervene when we're actually getting kill. He
just keeps smiling, like, right, this is going to be
a hit TV show. I would I don't need money. Worked,
are we together?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I don't need money.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
I think you can set the terms of it. Oh, no,
you have to be alone, and it has to be
and tonight to leave tonight.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
We leave tonight and we have to do it alone.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
No.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
So then, but well, the monetary answer then would be
I would minimum six million dollars.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I was gonna say a million because I'm cheap. I'm
a cheap kill.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, you got to get that money up there.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
What if Karen, you had to say you had to
accept every ride that stopped, like.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
You couldn't be like no pass, Well, then money would
matter because I would definitely be dead. I mean right, like,
oh my god. What. But also I don't think people
pick up hitchhikers anymore. No, I think, well, but if
you're a girl, I think it's that's true. But if
you're murderable, that's different. I mean I think me and
my big tits are pretty murderable, and I would definitely

(35:50):
be wearing a V neck T shirt.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Six million kid, six million for care and a million
for me because I make.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Cups I'm cheaper. Also, I just hate the idea of
having get into other people's cars, Like you know, when
you get like like at festivals, you get picked up
by some kid. It's his car and he's got weird
shit hanging from the rear view mirror and stuff like that.
It's it's not like that's a dream. Even when they
don't want to kill you, much less than when you're

(36:15):
also feeling like you're in danger.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
I had an uber the other day that it smelled
like he had put his infected feet on every surface
of the uber on purpose?

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Did I already tell you this? No?

Speaker 3 (36:28):
On purpose that he had like singing as the fucking
nursery rhyme touched every anyways so well.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
But worse than that for me was why it kind
of stopped taking ubers after a while. Is because the
cologne or whatever was happening where they were using either
air freshener or it was coloone. But I would roll
the windows on it be like the middle of the night.
They'd be like, well, are you are you hot? What's
do you need me to try on the air condition?
Just be like I can't breathe stop it. You and
your axe body spray are bumming me out. I don't

(36:58):
it's too much lot, Okay did we answer? Thanks Scotty
alandis for playing ball.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Since starting My Favorite Murder, has anyone who's oh this
is from Deborah, I keep forgetting it put the names
whatever setting. Since starting My Favorite Murder, has anyone who
has been in your life for a long time told
you a story that you never would have known if
it wasn't for the podcast?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Everyone for sure, Yeah everyone.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
And or they mentioned it and now they tell you
more details or they remember another one and they're like,
oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yes, definitely, that's definitely happened, and it's.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Not weird when you ask them for more details, right.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Well, the best example is my cousin. My cousin's texting
me on was it Thanksgiving or Christmas to tell me
that my cousin, Marty, who is now a retired San
Francisco policeman, was there and found the fingerprint that broke
the nightstalker case, and like they put it together over
there because my cousins listen, why would they ever tell
you that? Yes? And he was like I was yelling

(37:57):
at him because I was like, how could you not?
He was like, I don't think anybody ever wants to talk.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
About you got to bring that up with your random cousin. Yeah,
you see once every year.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Hey, you know what I did?

Speaker 3 (38:07):
I have?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I just remember I had save it.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
The other day, like two weekends ago, I was with
my family having lunch and because of the you know,
we were talking about the podcast, and my uncle, who
I see once every three years or something, was like, oh, yeah,
I rented out my apartment to a mass murderer.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
And I was like I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Like and he and I don't you know, he's we
don't really connect. And then we went and I was like,
tell me everything, and I have it on my phone recorded.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Do you remember the name of my cut of my uncle? No? Yes,
I have it recorded, and I feel like I should
save it. Yeah. Yes, say it's good. It's sounds amazing.
You know this Saren Gash in Japan.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yes, he was in that cult. No, well he rented
it to that guy. He rented it to the head
of that cult.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
No, yep, the guy that Wyoh, Okay, should I just
tell you or should I work?

Speaker 3 (39:05):
He's such a funny guy. I think I should save
it and let him tell you.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Okay, good, Yeah, we'll do that. Okay. So yes, the
answer is yes.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Amanda asks, would you ever have a p as pen
pal with somebody in prison?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
No?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Nop, Was that.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Not what we're interested in? No? Thanks?

Speaker 5 (39:24):
No.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Amber asks what are some movies that you watched as
a kid that frightened you but you're still nostalgic about Poultergeist?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Oh, pulter Geist, the best Arachnophobia.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Oh if poor Michael. I for a while was a babysitter,
like when I was super broken. It was right after
I started having seizure, so I couldn't drive, and I
kind of couldn't do anything. In my friend Pat Buckle's
God bless her soul. She was like, come and babysit
the kids and I'll pay you whatever. She took my car,
so it was like she was paying me to be
a babysitter and then she got to use my car. Cool.

(40:02):
It was perfect. But anyway, Michael at the time, who's
now like in his early twenties, but he was like
five at the time, and we were hanging out one
night in a rachnophobia came on. I was like, do
you want to watch this? He's like yeah, he still
had like a little boy accent, like this is scary
like that. It scared the shit out of him. And
Pat called me later it's like really a rachnophobia and

(40:25):
I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry, Like
I had to relearn how to be a normal person
with children because I was like, oh, yeah, you're right,
that's a spider's coming out of a shower head.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I didn't take a shower as a kid for years. No,
what I still don't take shower?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Oh, baby, powder, what were here? Of movies as a kid,
I mean The Exorcist we saw I mean mine or older,
but we would always see those movies that got rerun
on at night standard TV. So like the Trilogy of Terror.
It's not a movie, but it was a TV show
called The Trilogy of Terror. And anybody that was little

(41:04):
in the seventies can tell you that it was the
scariest fucking thing in the world. And we watched it. It
was me and my sister, we were probably like seven
and nine. Then my cousin Stevie was like thirteen, and
then hit. Our older cousins were like in there, fifteen, sixteen, whatever.
We all watched it together with all the parents were
out to dinner. And it's the one where it has

(41:25):
a little The last one is this little doll and
I believe it's Karen Black is the person who owns
the doll, and it's like someone gave it to her
from a you know, they brought it back from some
different country. And she gets up to take a shower
and the doll that's like this doll is sitting there
and it has a thing around its, a necklace that says,
never take this off. And then the necklace drops off

(41:48):
and the doll comes to life and it has a
little knife and it just tries to kill her, and
it's it freaked us all out so bad that like
that night we spent the night at my aunt Jean's
and my cousin's. Teve got up in the middle of
the night screaming like it was a whole event in
the in in our family.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
I mean, well, we don't even need movies, we need
all the news. Yeah, was like horrifying, and they were
like kids, gather around and look at all these horr thics.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Checked this ship, check the shit out.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
I was just watching gun Self Mysteries the other night
and it's like the song, the theme song makes me
want to cry. And then what was the one that
was like Twilight Zone but it was newer. It was
called NX. What was it, Stephen Unix, Stephen Amazing Story. Yes, yes,
they had some really fucking skill and like all the

(42:38):
ghost shits scared the shit out of me when I
was a kid.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I think on Amazing Were Amazing Stories based on true stories?
Or were they? Was it just I think show because
I feel like that was the one. It was either
the reboot of Twilight Zone or it was amazing stories
where there was a woman. A man picks his wife
up after she has been attacked. He picks her up
from the hospital, remember that, And as they're driving home,
she goes, that's him, that's the man, and she freaks out.

(43:02):
He gets out, kills me, he gets back in, and
then she does it. She just keeps doing it the
whole ride home.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Suddenly he realizes he killed the wrong Yep, man, is
that a I think that's a Twilight Zone.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
But it was a new one. Oh oh, like it
was modern. Yeah, it wasn't the old. It was greaty.
You know who will know is Joe DeRosa, who was
a Twilight Zone expert. So you know. So Joe derosay,
he and Pat while she.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Have have a podcast that we've talked about called You're What, We'll.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
See You and Hell You and How.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
And I've met Joe DeRosa's mom and she's she's got
this accent, like Jerseyish accent. She's like, well, when I
was I would make Joe at six years old watch
these horrorms. She's obsessed with horror movies. And she was
just talking about how she'd make Joe. I didn't want
to watch them alone, so you make your five and
six year old kid watch them with you, and it's like, oh,
I get your I get Joe so much better now

(43:51):
because he had to watch had to watch.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
These movies with his mommy. Joe. Okay, sorry, sorry? Why
am I sorry?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Never? Sorry?

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Julia asks what would your what would your dream job
in the true crime field be like? If you could
be in the true crime.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Like m M. I guess, hmmm, go going through of
m M. Crime scene analyst? Is that a thing? Can
I go? People? Yes, that's all I want. Crime scene

(44:34):
analyst is sounds almost definitely like a real thing.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I want to go to the estate sale of someone
who got killed with the intent of finding out why
they got killed.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
It's going to be a detective, thank you? Oh my god.
I don't want to be a detective. You want to
be a detective?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, like a straight up I don't like you know, yes,
I don't need a fancy fucking.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Off title money. I'm trying to think. I feel like
I would want to do something in the lab where
they test things, where people are waiting to see what
the thing is. Really Yeah, Like I like the idea
of being at ground zero when you find out this
is definitely his blood, it's not his blood one of

(45:20):
those things that's cool.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I don't that's that seems clean. And I want to
get disgusting.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Right, I want to get disgusting, except for I want
it to be like fictionally disgusting, where it's interesting disgusting
as opposed to regular bummer disgusting.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I imagine the first time I see the real it
really what it is, I would change my mind. But
I did find out that an ex boyfriend was worked
at it uh morgue and would pick up the bodies. Yeah,
and I was fucking pissed that he got to do
that after breaking my heart, that he got to then
be something fucking cool?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
And yeah, did he appreciate it? Did he know that
it was? I think he do. Yeah. Mount Myra also
worked at for a funeral home. He did. I listened
to his I think he was on crap feast and
he told the story was I mean, amazing stories. But
I feel like I don't even know enough about any

(46:20):
of anyone know what my favorite thing would be. But
I think, uh, the person who gets to call the
lead detective to say we got him, Sonny or whatever,
I want to be a podcast, a true crime podcaster. Oh,
I don't think you're gonna I don't think that's gonna work.
That's not a job.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
So I've been told, is it getting harder to find
stories for the podcast?

Speaker 2 (46:45):
No, not in the least. Oh my god, there's we
have too many.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
I have too many that I'm excited about.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
The hard thing is actually for me finding them for
live shows.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Suddenly, the work, the work of putting it together in
a cohesive, accurate, condensed way. It's just like that that's
going to please people, and having that consciousness of it
and all that. I think it's just the self consciousness
of our live shows, of all of it. Oh, is
that's what's hard for me?

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Yeah, it's very hard. It's hard, But for me it's
hard but rewarding and I enjoy it for our for
the podcast. But live shows is hard because you have
you want to do it somewhere near the town you're
doing it, at least I want. And then I realized
that there's certain topics that you should I shouldn't be
covering in the live shows. So you don't want to
do a bunch of child murders because then you get silence,

(47:37):
and that makes me self conscious and weird, so that
part is hard for me. So when I do find one,
I get really excited. But I don't have mine for
this weekend and it's Tuesday, and oh.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
We have so much time because it's so hard.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, but now our tour manager is my husband and
he's like, are you done?

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Do you need to do it? Georgia, No, we're not
going out with any spider do it. We simply don't
have to deal with that. Inspired from me my husband
to conseill be the tour manager. That's right.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Oh and that was from Sarah, Thanks Sarah, Sarah. And
then Ali asks she's been dying to know. After Miniso
twenty five, did you two go to Barnes and Noble
and get mechanical pencils in a day planner?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
We did? We sure did. We. I couldn't wait and
so I went and got a day planner by myself.
Right then we met up at Barnes and Noble to
look to to and then Georgia was like, well, let's
go look at day planners and then I was like, oh,
I god want to Renny. But but when we had sushi,

(48:40):
then we eat a bunch of sushi. Uh, and we
just had a good old time at the Americana. Yeah,
that's it. Glendale's Grove, Madwell, what's up Madewell? But also
sorry Madewell. But then the J crew that's across from
the Madewell at the Grove is starting to feel very
competitive because I went into the Madewell at the Grove. Sorry,

(49:01):
this is I mean, this is asshole corner. But I
went into the main well at the Grove and the
girl gave me a discount and we had a nice chat.
And then I got a tweet later that day that
was like, we like you better at the J cru
across the street coming. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It was really hilarious. Can I do ask whole corner
real quick? And last night when I was at the
fucking mecca of Hipsterville of the Trader Joe's in Silverley,
and one of the Trader Joe's workers, oh who was like,
I feel like they were on another plane of like
coolness somehow. Maybe it's because I the loud An application
for Trader Joe's and they never hired me because I
can't math. So it's like, yeah, yeah, you think you're

(49:37):
better than me. But she was stalking salads and she
turns to.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Me and just goes, you know that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
And I was just I almost started crying, and I
think I think I overdid it because she was just
like great and like.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Walked away, almost starting to cry, and she's like, this
isn't what I wanted from telling her this. Yes, yeah, yeah,
we have nice fans.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yeah, nowhere to go? Oh? Eve asks A stat I've
heard slash scene slash right over the years is that
there are approximately eighty seven active serial killers in the
US right now? Do you think this is accurate? Too high?
Too low?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I just read an article that said there were forty.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I know I've seen lower like thirty to forty, but
I mean that's too many.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Also, they don't know. It's all conjecture, so it's like
we think it's this. But then when the Killing Field
series was on, it made it seem like there were
five hundred active serial killers. I mean it was like
there's tons. A number.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
I'm more interested in is how many clandestine graves are there?
Like right now, carrying You're sitting in front of a
tapestry of a beautiful forest, and it's like whenever and
when we were driving, we were on a road trip
to a locate to do a live show, and I
was staring at the window and looking at the fields,
and all I could think of was.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
How many dead bodies are buried out there?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yep, because there's got to be so many so serial killers,
I don't know, yeah, but dead bodies, that's what you
want to know.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting there's a real good I
believe it's in the Sandman series by Neil Gaiman. But
if I'm wrong, man, are people going to be mad
at me. But there was one of the comic books
and the whole thing was about how all the serial
killers were meeting up at a motel for the did
you read that one?

Speaker 4 (51:14):
For them?

Speaker 2 (51:15):
For the serial killer convention that they were having. That
wasn't American Gods, was it?

Speaker 5 (51:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Oh that was all the Gods. Yes, it's called American
New fucking Yes, yes, similar feel, but I'm pretty sure
it was. Oh that's Sandman interesting And it was So
I think about that all the time, where like, do
they know each other but they hate each other? Yeah?
I mean yeah, because they want to be the.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, I bet they're like they're not doing it right, Yeah, wonder.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Wonder, Jordan asks, So my husband got me this bluetooth
whistle thing that should I blow it? A text with
help and my GPS location is sent to three of
my contacts. It keeps updating with my GPS until I
check in and verify. I'm fine. My question is, what
do you think about this kind of technology? Would you
guys carry one? And do you think it'll be common

(52:00):
in the future?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
What if it just picked whatever?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
It was like a roulette of whatever contacts and it
was like your ex boyfriend and some guy.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
You met her, that fucking someone that you used to
work with that you do not talk to anymore. I'm sorry,
what help? The first thing I thought of, like, I
love the idea of that, but if in my hands,
like this weekend I was at the Bridgetown Comedy Festival,
is super fun. Great. I must have lost my glasses
five times, and a couple of the times they were

(52:28):
in my pocket and I would just like in the
second I thought they were gone, I was just freaking
out and like I left them at the last place.
I would start walking back to places good, the whole
nine yards. But so that being said, what I mean
is I have that thing of like I'm going to
be sending help to people never met it after a while,
just like the fable, Everyone's like it's just her thing

(52:50):
where she touches it all the time. But actually I'm
at the bottom of a well you know it's going
to backfire eventually. Well no, eventually after three days of
have you heard from Karen?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
But the way I am of like flaking on people
in late it's going to be like three months later
you're like, should we check on Karen? She might be
mad at me or whatever, just like never come over.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I almost got you for your birthday this like it
was this like journal notebook and it just said on
the front, uh, excuses for why I can't go out.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
But I didn't so true.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I mean, dude, I mean that too. I mean I
was like, do I have a stomach ailment? Like this
weekend was great because I was trying to do a
fake not a real fast and I was like, I
can just tell everyone that I can't go out and
they'll get it because.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
We're in La. Yes, that's right, that's a classic. And
then I had a pretzel. That pretzel looks so good.
Georgia texted me the pretzel, the picture of the pretzel
that was breaking her fast and I wanted to reach
through the phone and grab it away from her.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
The York and Highland Park and as I was walking
back to my car where Dinz and I were walking
across the crosswalk and this couple and one of them
is like a model, like one of the most beautiful women,
and she said Hi, Georgia, and I was like, I
absolutely don't know anyone who looks like that. And I
said Hi, like I not high.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I said hi. But then she tweeted at me and
was like, I said hi to you. I'm a fan
of the podcast.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
And I was like, I know, because I would have
known that I know a model.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Oh it's my model friend, Gloria's model friend.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Yes, I also did. I also The first thing I
said when I got here was like, that pretzel looks amazing.
It will I just was like, like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
So it was so big, it had it it looked
like cartoon pretzel. Yes, that's right. York and Highland Park
shout out, yeah, well done on your pretzel game.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Alyssa asks, do you think you guys could get away
with murder?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
No? No, I don't think no, I would leave my
glasses there.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Leopolden Lobe shouting for real, I would confess.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I think I just couldn't carry that around with no. No, no,
that's even considering it makes me feel guilty, like it's
everything about it. It is so terrible. I just I can't.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
You know, I wouldn't get away with it because I
don't think, Because in my mind, I would think I
couldn't get away with it, so I would just go
insane and I would probably kill myself and leave a
note it just couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, but then you'd already killed somebody else, so then
it was just like it would just be a total wipe. Yeah,
just no one, no, nobody, everybody loses. Yeah. I did
once know a person who was not related to me
or in my friend's circle or whatever. It was like
somebody else's somebody and they are such an awful person

(55:36):
to be around, such an awful person that I was
like in my mind, I was like I could poison
that person. It would never get back to me because
I have no connection, right, and I know it would
be a solution for a lot of people's lives.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
But you know, that's the thing I think is you
can't have any ties.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
You can't have any ties, but you'll still have ties
because in this day and age with the everything is traceable.
There's no perfect crime. You can't do it.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
And DNA there's no I mean, there's no thing that
doesn't tie you back. Even poison. It's like, well they
can trace why where people bought this poison?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yes, there's no way, there's no way. Also, don't kill people. Also, yeah,
this is then in me killing this person I think
is so terrible makes me worse than that person. Right,
so right, the end of thought process and stop it.
Don't get life insurance balls, stop it? Okay.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
Charlotte asks if you had a chance to go back
and be involved in an investigation of any serial killer
or unsolved case, which one would it be and why?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Like, can we listen?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I know you didn't write this even but I want
some clarity, Like from the beginning, let's say, oh, don't
look at that paper.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Tell Stephen you're answering this from the beginning.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
I'm going to say, yeah, you're hit the ground running.
You're like, first call well.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Jean Benet, I'd say Zodiac I just recently rewin and
I talked about it, but rewatched that movie at Santa Family.
It's such a good movie. It's making a new serial
killer movie right now. Yeap, what is it? Is it
the one about the British guy? I don't know. Someone

(57:20):
told me about it and I got so excited. I
think I wrote it in my calendar.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
I think my friend Carlos, who like, we're We've been
friends for a long time, but as soon as I
started this, he found out about this podcast. He just
sends me shit all the time about like Murder the
best great and he sent me the trailer. I haven't
seen it, but we.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Watched it together, didn't we? Probably? I bete we did. Okay,
so you're probably the person I'm talking about when I
say someone told me about it, I mean our worlds
are just combining.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I think we saw each other every day last week,
we really, like, not even just as like, and I
was probably wearing a new Vinchance dress and every single one, and.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I was wearing my same meeting shirt every single day.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Okay, Okay, that's a great one. Yeah, that's a that's
a hard one because I feel like John Banay is easy,
it's obvious, but Zodiac is clues and ship.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Oh sorry, I met Zodiac with Mark Ruffalo. I just
would like to be around him doing some very honorable
and noble police work in the seventies of San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Let's see. I think we're winding down more.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I love talking about myself.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Uh, if you were an inmate on death row, Julia asks,
this is the same Julias, right, is.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
SHEI can ask that chicken your final chicken? She knew
that was I fucking photos I do too.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Oh man, there was a girl, the girl who got
so drunk at one of our shows that she vomited
and crawled out and crawled out, fucking who was lovely?
Just fist in the air to you. Girl turned out
to be a lovely girl, had done a dinner party
of last meals, and I think she like bought fourteen

(59:04):
buckets of KFC, you.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Know, like did the whole thing. Yeah, serving that stuff up.
I mean, what would you do?

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Because I could go eat KFC right now if I
want to see, I'd fucking hate myself.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
But sorry, are you saying you would do just full
only no chicken, Oh gosh, no? Or a full KFC
like buffet? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Okay, which remember when we were driving to Philadelphia and
they had a KFC buffet restaurant.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yes, that's right my dream. Anyways, what would you what,
let's see, I mean, I guess it would. I would
have to do my what I call my quote unquote
special occasion food. So I eat constantly pretending that it's
my birthday all the time, which is like mac and
cheese from where it has to be a place H's

(59:52):
just like a kind is there? Like I guess, like shit,
I'm trying to think of, like where's a plate like
a soul food restaurant, KA cheese probably, I guess like
us so because fried chicken, soul food would like those
baked beans that kind of stuff. But also I was
going to say mac and cheese, one of those soft

(01:00:15):
pretzels with the cheese dip something like that. Now my
mouth's just watering and I'm hungry. I'm glad this is ending.
What was I? Oh? Uh waffle chicken and waffles?

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Well, oh, I was gonna say, we have a little
road trip this weekend on our tour, and there is
a white castle, yes, as far as Vince is concerned
or says, And I've never been to an actual white
Castle restaurant. I need them frozen so many drunk times.
And I'm really excited to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Go to a real hot out of the bag. We
neither of us as California girls, have ever had that experience,
never of white Castle out of the bag.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Hoping there's a waffle house, but I'm not sure if
there is. But either way, we're going to get our
white Castle. We're getting a white Castle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Lauren asks, just curious to know what your thoughts are
on making a murderer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I loved it. I watched it. I think that was
near the beginning of us of this podcast because I
watched it. I started it at seven o'clock at night
and stayed up all night and watched it through the
night and into the next morning. And then I remember
telling you about it after I did that, because I
just couldn't stop watching it. It was it was an incredible,
incredible show. Yeah, with people who seemed like they were

(01:01:30):
from Central Casting of either inept or totally corrupt politician types.
It was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
And then I was I went to and you were
supposed to come to the Strand and Storm and Dring
what was it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Strand and Dean?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Yeah, like they had a Q and A or like
a talkie times.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yes, it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
They're fucking badass motherfuckers. Yeah it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
This question comes from City Life office.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Oh oh, you're here. They're serving us with our papers
through Stephen. You're under arrest.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
City Life Office asks what does a day in the
life of Karen and Georgia look like?

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Tell me your you want to tell me your day
to day? We get up out of our bunk beds.
George slips into a vengeance dress meeting dressed. Karen loses
her mind because I'm in house panic even though it's
he in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
I woke up late and went to therapy. Yeah, hi,
I screamed at a chair for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Interesting in a role playing situation. Yeah, how to feel hard?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
It was really hard because it felt stupid, or it
was hard emotionally. It felt stupid, but it was really
hard emotionally. And I fucking bald, which I don't do
in therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah, you got to get that stuff out. It felt good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
I have a ton of anger. I'm just keeping inside
of me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Hello, and welcome to my world. Have you ever done that?
I'd never known. I don't keep it inside me no,
because I don't have a problem expressing anger or crying
at all. I'm right there on the edge at all
times of any emotion that you could name, willing to
serve it up with just a little bit of glaze
on the top because I get ready for screaming Georgia,

(01:03:15):
because she is at your new phase. She's coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Yeah, and I'll piss off ship.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Get you mom. You dicked me over back you up girl,
You guys screaming out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
My therapist was so happy, like I could see she
was on the edge of her comfy sofa chair. Yeah,
and she was like honest, like cheering, and I was like, oh,
I'm doing this right. Finally, after two and a half
years of therapy, when she broke you open, she broke
me up well, and just so you had Mary cream egg.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I was. Then you got your stuff all over there,
all over that chair. I was raised in a household
of yellers and confronters always, so to me, it's not
only I mean, I get upset when I know I
when I know I'm going to upset other people, or
when other people are upset, which then makes me need

(01:04:12):
to get mad so that you don't get that out
of your feelings, but I still get to do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
My thing premptively, like shielding yourself from what's about not
even shielding yourself, just like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
It's like parental for it, recoil maybe whatever, It just
all becomes a thing. But like my dad just saying
that because in our family, my dad would answer the
phone yelling, so that when people would be like is
Karen there, I'd be like, hold on a second, and
then I would pick up the phone and almost like
eight out of ten times, my friends would go are

(01:04:44):
you in trouble? And I'd be like, no, what are
you talking about? Because the volume and the like emotion
level in our house was always at eight. So you
must have a lot of tension, yo, Yes, I have
more than my fair share attention. And also that kind
of of like when you're criticized all the time or
like teased all the time, then you have a sensitivity

(01:05:06):
that doesn't make sense. It'll come out and it doesn't
make sense to people when it's because it's kind of
like a lifelong raw nerve that if it's like a
very random one and then if you touch it, good night,
good night.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
A fucking mosquito thing and there's malaria, and you fuck
you get the malaria and the mosquito catches on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
It's exciting mine? Is that a timid nous? So I say,
you don't get a fucking see my anger, I'm gonna
put it inside me and get gas drone castmell issues
because of my anger. Who's inside of me? Yeah? Yeah,
I think that's very common with women. Yeah, because it's
not certainly not feminine, considered typically feminine, or in any

(01:05:52):
way attractive to be.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Well, when I got home from therapy, I had to
say to Vince, is it okay that I'm mad at you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Like over this? Yeah? Like I couldn't even be mad
at him. I had to make sure it was okay. Well,
it's very scary.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
There's a great book called The Dance of Anger. Not
to be totally weirdy, no, we need this is a thing. Well,
this is the book I read. And it's because it's
this amazing breakdown of how people who are angry or
use anger what they're actually doing, and because it's very
intimidating and it's very shocking a lot of times. And
if you, if you do it correctly, you can really

(01:06:27):
control people with your emotions to a point. Well my
bon did that for sure. Yeah, so you kind of
it's just like that would happen in my house. Is
like if you had a complaint, people would just yell
you down with their bigger complaint. Or if if you
were angry, they were angry or about something else. So
it was just like you could never really have the
floor because that was a very threatening thing to have

(01:06:49):
a problem with, like the system. It was like unjustified
or your anger was compounded.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Because they wouldn't listen to it. Yes, it wasn't justify.
Your anger wasn't justified in someone else's eye.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Never. And also it was always I was the dramatic one.
So it's like, no matter what I was doing, I
was being over dramatic. Uh so yeah, that's insanely frustrating.
What's the Oh, it's called the dance of anger, and
it's basically like when angry people shut you down, like
it's a it's the perfect way to get people to
stop doing whatever they're doing because you're intimidating them. But

(01:07:23):
if you can get through that and not be intimidated,
you can get that angry person actually break open because
there's you paint yourself into a corner when you're like
the angry shouterer reactor and you don't ever get to
learn and grow and all this and and actually like
communicate what you really what the real problem is?

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Well you show me that too, where it's like when
I've gotten angry with you, it's like, what's what's really
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
And I want to be like nothing, you fucked up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
And then it's like, oh, well I'm in tim I
feel sad and intimidated over this thing, and I'm panicking
and it's like, oh my god, it's really scary to
be vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
It's hard that worked, and it's easier to be angry
because that's the first it's just like the thing that
shoots up. First, you go with that, maybe double down
on it, and then you're free and clear because everyone
backs away. Yeah, but then for.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Me, and it's even harder than at that point to
come back and be like well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
No, yeah, you can't. There's no I mean talk about
like rigidity and like you really have to. Then it's
like it's like ninety stand up comedy where all we
did was get like that person sucks, that person sucks,
and then suddenly you're like, well, then everyone's my enemy, Like, yeah,
doesn't make sense. It doesn't everyone's just trying. Why do
they suck? Yeah? And also really, because what you're saying
is I suck. Yeah, crying today was really helpful.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
And I'm really excited to go in my closet and
put a chair in the corner and scream at it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I can't wait. That's good and great. That's You've got
your like your elbows deep in the good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
This is the first time she's been like, here we go,
and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Like, why have I been paying you for the past
two years? And you know, I just got to tell
me to scream it and fucking cry because it takes.
That's the thing about therapy, Like I remember year seven
with my therapist going ooh, I feel like we just
chipped something off, and she's like that's right, Like we're
just chipping away a calcified wall of bad ideas that
we're pretty soon we're gonna get to a door, and

(01:09:13):
then I'm gonna be too scared to open that door.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
What was so funny to me is last week you
and I were having dinner at a place and then
I was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna go to
what every other week with my therapist. I think I'm
good right now. And then later I was like, yeah,
my therapist said to me that next week we're gonna
get into the deep mom stuff. And you were like,
so you're gonna go see her every other week?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
It was like so obvious. I was like, I can't
deal with that. I'm gonna go not see her anymore.
And that made me be like, maybe don't not go
see her every other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Maybe you really fucking need to get into the shit. Sorry,
I caught you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
King cock blocked me so hard. I'm not seeing my therapist.
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
I'm welcome. It's really great today. You're welcome. I'm glad.
That makes me very happy to hear. Yeah, that's good.
So those are that's basically how our days go. Yeah,
if that's not what we're doing, it's what we're talking about.
Therapy is life, man, really. And also what I told
Georgia at one point I can't remember, we got into
a fight about some dumb thing, and then after when

(01:10:12):
we had great talk about it. That's the thing I
love the most is that we always have the best talks.
We get further along. It makes me so happy. Sure,
and it makes me happy to be friends with you.
Thank you me too. But growing and learning we really are.
And I told Georgia, I go right at this point,
I feel like I'm being paid to maintain a good
relationship with you. Like that's all we have to do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
That's what this podcast is is making sure that. But
if like nobody listens and it was just our therapists
feeding into like they were all the Twitter people and
they were all the like people buying tickets to the
shows and just giving away for free, being like, god,
they're learning so much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Finally, what great therapists they're really dedicated to us totally
would be amazing. What we're hope you're gonna say that
you're being paid to Oh no, just that joke of
like that that's and also I my therapist actually said
that to me. She's like, if you can make this
relationship with Georgia work, you can make any relationship work,
which is of course, after you get a divorce, you

(01:11:08):
become convinced that you just simply can't do it, and
so why try and why uh why like why go
back to you know, a ground zero type situation and
be like, oh, I guess I'll do this again and
fuck it up again and be bad at eight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Months or in five years it'll fucking implode. Yeah, Nope,
it could actually work with the right temperament.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
And the it's like a resilience. Equality of resilience and
equality of being willing to say I made a mistake.
Can we fix it? Yeah? That's all. Yeah, you know what,
We're all human. That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
You kept putting the microphone when he thought it was over,
and then I just kept going, can I interrupt you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Please stop keep this?

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
See it was like I wasn't Can you guys stop
not recording? So many more questions? Should we and on
that and play Jesse is a murder? Or is there
a really good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
One that you want to know?

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
There's one good one to end with?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Okay, okay?

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
And then one note because people were asking what my
favorite murder was, and it's Selena from episode thirty two.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
It's right, my favorite because you remember it as a child.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Yeah, it had it had that same kind of impact
when when people talk about that thing where you saw
on the TV or and you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Grew up in a Mexican American family exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Yeah, and so you it's just something you talked about
all the time so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Well and so shocking.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yes, it's so I think about that one a lot too,
where it's just so unnecessary and so tragic that and
so surprising the way it happened. It wasn't a you know,
a male, rabid male fan. It was just this insanely
mentally ill woman and it's so unnecessary and sad.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, And at that point of the double tragedy or
the extended tragedy of that, she was just about to
potentially cross over and kind of become this i know,
simple Latin American or whatever Mexican American star. That was
like suddenly, it's like these are here's another kind of

(01:13:10):
music that you can get into and listen to and hear.
Like she was just she was basically on that train
of everybody knowing her a wonderful person to Sorry, Stephen.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
So this is this question. I had to print out
the email for it because it's sort of a hometown
as well. The headline is, would you marry a serial
killer's son? Hello, Karen, Georgia, Stephen and fir Babies love
the podcast. You hold a special place in my heart.

(01:13:43):
I'm really curious to know what each of you would
do in this situation. A relative of mine met the
love of her life, and after a whirlwind of romance,
he sat her down for a serious chat. He said
that he would love to have a future with her,
but before they went any further, she needed to know
that his father was in jail for killing and dismembering
a large sex workers. Oh no, my relative decided to
stay with her man and they are now married with children.

(01:14:06):
I guess the next thing to do is decide when
to tell her children about their grandfather before they can
discover it online for themselves. If they choose, what would
you do?

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Oh well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
Would definitely continue a relationship with that person. They're not
responsible for their father's actions. And the fact that they
they understood the severity of it enough to sit them
before it was very you know, before they were in
deep let them know, because understanding that that's a choice
someone would make, that's very mature.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Well, also, we never hold that against someone. Yeah, I
would never hold that against anybody. And it's that they're
actually a victim as well. It's not if there's anything
it would just be like how difficult that would be
for a person. It would almost I feel like, I
would like to think I would have even more empathy
for that person because they had gone through such a
serious life oh challenge and their relationship and I mean

(01:15:06):
everything about that would be so hard for that person.
I would just feel such deep sadness and empathy for
them that it would almost be the opposite of like
I wouldn't break up with them never.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
And as for the kids, I feel like he slowly introduced, like,
you know, as they understand what grandma's and grandpas are
and what about dad's dad?

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Where's dad?

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
You know, you say he did a very bad thing
and he's in jail, he's in prison forever for it,
or you know, and you slowly let them know, you
know what, I really give more information to them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah, because I realized this, And it's weird that I've
never said this before, and I in no way was
holding it back. I just kind of mentally like rediscovered
it recently. But my mother's father died when she was
twenty one, so I never knew him. But I found
out when I was a full grown adult, I think

(01:15:57):
probably in my late twenties. My dad told me he
was stabbed to death in a bar fight. Holy shit,
and that's how he died. That's how he died. But
we were always told he died of a heart attack. Oh,
and so it wasn't till much much later, and I didn't, like,
I didn't know anything about it. But I only recently
realized where I'm like, oh, actually, it's not funding when

(01:16:18):
it's your own thing, you don't it's my own thing.
But I also don't. I have no connection to it
except to know, like my mother never spoke about it,
and she never like it. For the story she kind
of put out there was like he just died of
heart attack, like, don't worry about it. And she didn't
like him because he was a really bad alcoholic and
he had you know, he was he had a lot

(01:16:39):
of problems. Wow. So it was almost just like that's
the side of the family. You don't talk about as
much tragedy. I know, it's not weird.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
I don't know if it's my story to tell, but
I'll just say that Vince's grandfather he never met, who
was a police officer who died in the line of duty.
And so the grandfather he grew up with was his
step grandfather and it's just it's like they didn't talk
about it either.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Yeah, I feel like more people than you would know,
Like if you ask people like about the tragedies in
their family, you'd be shocked how many have humongous ones
that they just simply don't discuss.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Because they've grown up with it as a secret or
as a thing, and nobody will discuss it with them
or them wanting to know more about it is they're
they're a bad person for wanting to know more about it.
They're they're opening wounds.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Or they're yeah, like it's it's very it's too sensitive,
or it's interesting, it's interesting. That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Yeah, help, good luck with that everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
That was it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
Yep, that's the Q and A.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Wow, it was fun. That was fun. I mean yeah,
I like, let's just change the podcast. That's questions for us.
You guys, thanks for sending four hundred questions. Oh my
god in such a short time. We'll do it again
sometime and get for sure get other ones. And Stephen,

(01:18:03):
thank you for going through all of those. Yeah, there
are a lot of weird ones.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
No, I mean, yeah, these are some great questions that
I liked.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Thank you good job. Those were really good. Yeah, those
were really good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
We have a quick hometown that I this is a murder.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
I've always I saw this one years ago on like
a dateline or some stuff that I couldn't do because
it was kind of one of those small ones. But
then I found out and I'm at Vince that Vince
is one of Vince's best friends. Jesse Pop was directly
connected to this murder.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Yeah, And so Jesse Pop fucking hilarious comedian. He just
came out with his new album called I'm the Best,
which is so funny. If you know Jesse Pop that
that's it's just so hilarious. Him in a RoboCop costume
that he actually really wore to a Halloween party. Yeah,
bar but he's like got a solo comp and he's
drukcause he's just such a funny person. And I watched

(01:18:58):
the live taping of this comedy album, and my fucking
got He's one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Of the best joke writers I've ever heard. He's among
the comedy community. He's known as one of the best
stand ups there is. Yeah, so it's an album worth buying.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Yes, for sure, I'm the Best it's on iTunes and
all the places you buy stuff, and so here is
Jesse Pop's hometown.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Wait a, let me forgo on speaker.

Speaker 5 (01:19:21):
Okay, all right, this is my hometown murder. About six
seven years ago, I was living in New York and
I ran out of money, so I went back home
to Michigan through stan You got a job at the
Locals apple orchard there, and I was just kind of like,
you know, write a tractor and you know, doing shit

(01:19:44):
you can do when you don't know how to farm.
And the dude is one kid there and I talked
to him a few times and he kind of I mean,
he wasn't He just struck me as a little squirrely,
nothing too crazy. And then I asked a few people
to be just like shooting shit. I was like, so
so at the side of this kid there got he's
nice in all this, and it didn't really stick in

(01:20:05):
my mind. And then you know, I saved up some money,
went back to New York. And then a year later
this kid got arrested for murdering you mom. Oh, that's
well crazy. And then turns out what was going on
is she the mom was schizophrenic and bipolar and also
very very religious and wasn't taking her medicine because she

(01:20:27):
thought it was sourcery, and she had gotten so star
gone she was like stashing knives in her head toward it,
but like tracking devices in her bloodstream and all this,
and also the dad had started stepping out, and there's
also like a little before the murder, she had been
arrested for strangling this kid because he was trying to

(01:20:48):
get her to take her medicine. And then also he
had a younger sister who the mom was homeschooling still
for some reason. So they're locking down. They didn't doing
all the news. They'd be like the perfect family, which
is not what was going on anyway. So it's a
very briskly scene I guess where there no one broke
in most signs of force and to anything. Someone took

(01:21:11):
it two by four and basically bashed her head open
a bunch of times, and then took a knife fit
stabber in the throat a bunch of times. And there's
blood and stuff. And this kid said that he had
been to the elb I was that he had been
planning bushes for a neighbor lady who was turned out
not to be true. And then he punched into work

(01:21:31):
and his hands were all fucked up, and he told
people this for moving palace, which moving palace doesn't really
get your hands the way that his work. So he
got arrested and she convicted because you know, people were
spending him and saying there's no way he did it
could be so nice, but he got arrested and he's

(01:21:53):
going to do at least I think twenty or thirty
years or something. And I that's if you don't hill
your mom.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Nice, thanks, Jesse. That's exactly right, Jesse. Your medicine and
don't kill your mom please.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
The other thing he didn't mention in that the apple
orchard was his sister, Jesse's sister's apple orchard. Oh wow, yeah,
And I've been there spicers and I had a fucking
apple cider donut in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Oh my god, the best. This took me there in
Michigan and it was amazing. So in time, I know,
did you ever see the like twenty twenty or forty
eight hours about that one? This story sounds familiar, But
as I was listening to him tell it, I was like,
is it familiar? Because he's told it to me because
sometimes he'll wear the Spicer's Apple Orchard t shirt. Yeah, Like,
what is is it? Is he an ironic hip story

(01:22:43):
and he's like, no, I used to fucking work here. Wow.
That was a great way to end a really fun question.
Now wow, next next.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Uh Minnesot hometown murder. I'll play my uncle's Oh yeah
they are in gas situation.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
I know. I love it. Thanks Jesse that Jesse Pop Bye.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
His album I'm the Best, I'm the Best Vince April,
my husband put it out on his record label. What's
his record label called. It's called Capsule Records. What if
I fucking didn't know?

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
I know, I was like, oh no, last emotion of
like thinking of the too sure cut this Well, that
was awesome. Thank you Steven for that doing that. Yeah,
and thank you guys for sending in those questions. It's
so much fun. Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Bye bye, Elvis,

(01:23:35):
you're sitting right here. Do you want to cook?

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Right? He poked his head into the microphone up like
a voiceover actor, and me out into the microphone. You're
the best, Good job, bubby. Bye. Hilarious. It's time to
shine the boy.

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