71 - Put It In A Door

This week, Karen and Georgia cover John Crutchley the Vampire Rapist, angel of death Genene Jones and the Netflix series The Keepers.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
This is a podcast, and that's Karen Kilgarrett.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And that's over there, Georgia Hardstark. Hi, we're the hosts.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
We're the hosts. This is all planned out.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Super and it's very naturally delivered.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're actually reading a teleprompter right now.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
It's one of those invisible ones, so if you were
looking at us, you wouldn't be able to see it,
but we can see the words that are scrolling on it.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Steven's actually mouthing the words to us that we have
to be saying right now.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, Steven's in down below the stage and a little
half shell the way they used to do it in
the operetta times, whispering our lines to us. Yeah, we
have a little earpiece in we're like a newscasters, but
Stephen is the director up in the control room.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, breaking news, None of that's breaking news. This podcast
is starting in case she couldn't tell in five that
was a ruse. The whole thing, it was a trick.
The whole thing has been a trick. I think my
cat barked on the couch.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
And was sitting. Why can you smell it or feel it?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I don't want to say feel it, but that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
But that might be the horrible truth.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, flow off to a gross start.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yay, nice, really good. I'm getting over what I believe
to be near death pneumonia, but it's probably just a
standard chess cold. Probably the plague knocked me out. I
didn't get to do anything I wanted to do list
weekend or week. So I'm a little bit like when
you don't see anybody for four days and then you're all, like,

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everything's real intense.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
And you forget how to speak to people. You've only
been yelling at your dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Probably I will probably tell you the plot of a
sitcom as a conversation where it's like and then she
want in the kitchen? It was so crazy? What did
you watch?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Did you have like a thing that you got through
the whole time?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I did start watching a series on I have a
one of those. I won't name the name of it
because I don't like it that much, but it's one
of those. We have all the British shows apps, so
I watched a bunch of obscure British procedurals that weren't
the best and also weren't the worst so I that's
sometimes I'm in the mood for just truly mediocre television. Sure,

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and I could just watch a ton of it.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well you know what I did the other night. I
was home alone and I was like scrolling and you
can't decide what to watch, and like my TV whatever
kind it is like pop, it pops up all these options,
and one of them was YouTube, and I'm like, who
the fuck watch is YouTube on television? Like it's a
very foreign thing to me, the children. Yeah, And so
I like kind of clicked on it to see like
what videos they were like offering, and I got in

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a deep dark hole of men doing tutorials of makeup. Yes,
I mean they were fucking famous, and they were talking
about like the scant like like they were talking to
these people who watch it every day. Yeah, and they're like,
I know this thing happened, and people said this about
me on the internet, like their stories, and like I
looked one of them up because I was like, what happened,

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and like one of them said something kind of racist
on accident, and it was just this whole world that
I am not familiar with at all.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
And now you're like right in front and center, like
bring me that drama on that YouTube drama, Yeah, did
you see the one that's the little boy doing that
insane makeover?

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
And whoever tweeted it, it was this great short video
of a boy who maybe was nine or ten doing
insanely amazing makeup on himself, incredible makeup, and the person
that tweeted it said some fucked up thing like yeah,
like what would you do if this was your child?
And all these huge, famous people and all these awesome
people and cool people wrote back, like Samantha ronson the DJ.

(03:58):
She wrote back, like, sit back and enjoy the life
he's going to give me as like as a you know, business,
Like basically he's going to be rich and famous and
he's going to take care of me. And like all
David Cross wrote back, throw my Bible away and love
him unconditionally and all this stuff where it's just like
it's this world where it's so funny when people get

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onto social media thinking that they're going to like rally
their troops right way, where it's like, no, that's not
the world anyone lives in anymore. Yeah, little boys doing
amazing like Contour Kardashian lovel makeup is standard fair, Yeah,
and he's welcome.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Have you seen the little kids who do the bad ones?
Like one little girl like was like clearly obsessed with
makeup tutorials because she knew exactly how to do everything,
and she might have been like seven or eight, and
so she just like sneaks into her mom's room and
she's like whispering the whole time, and like starts doing

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a makeup tutorial and just makes her face look like
how a seven year old would make think you makeup
on And it was just the cutest thing. And I
think her mom comes in at the end and she's like.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh shit, I gotta go. It was just like so sweet.
I love it. Also, I can watch because my friend
April Richardson's obsessed with makeup traitorials hand makeup herself. So
there have been times where she's good at it. She's
really yeah, she's and she's all goth, so she's all
about like I'm gonna wear a blue lipstick and this
red eye shadow. But there was a night where we

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were started to watch something it may have been like
a Republican debates night or something where we got into
something really tense and upsetting, and then at the end
of that, she's like, hold on, and then just flipped
on this girl that was just doing this insane like
Susie's sue amazing eye makeup, and it's so soothing to
watch someone. It's just like watching an artist draw.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
A bunch of people on Twitter were like that cause
I tweeted about a bunch of people comments. They're like,
try the hair ones. I bet the hair ones are
so soothing.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
My niece Nora is obsessed with the hair ones. There
are two sisters, there's a whole fan. They're like twins.
They're twins. And then the mother's a hairdresser, so she'll
get in there and be like, here's Elsa's hair from
Frozen and here's this, this this. Well, now, these girls
they started when they were like ten years old. Now
they're in high school. And my sister's like, they're like
Nora's friends. That's like she's been watching she's little, right

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right right. Yeah. So they get on there and they're like,
here's our first day of school hair, and then they
show you what they're going to do, and they show
your mom how to do your hair. Basically it's the cutest.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah for them, God, bless us everyone, God bless us
and good night, good night.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
This has been YouTube corner. What do we have? Oh
you have that email?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Oh I have an email to read you guys, a
real good one.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
An.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's a kind of a correction. It's a clarification corner.
Is that anything. It's called tip from NYPD.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I was just listening to me. That should be the whole,
a whole new area tips from the NYPD.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Great, Yeah, everyone send in your tips. And this is
actually a guy who sent us a tip, or no,
a woman who sent us a tip from a friend
who was in the MIYPD. So you don't directly need
to be second hand tips. Yeah, it's all about it,
second hand tips from those in the now corner. Yeah,
it has to the source has to be factual and
in the know. Though.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Please keep that in mind.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
But we're not going to do any fact checking. No,
and that's on you. You don't need to either, okay, Hi,
it's really structured. There's a lot of rules.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
It's more of a storytelling corner.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, don't just don't okay, Hi, I was just listening
you guys explain that you should ask a cop to
see their ID and their badge in which we talked
about recently and wanted to share recommendation from a friend
of mine who was a retired NYPD after twenty years.
If a cop quote cop comes to your door and
you weren't expecting them, you shouldn't open the door. You
should call nine one one and ask the operator if

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they're supposed to be cop at your house.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
The nine one one operator should confirm with the officers,
and you should be able to hear that confirmation over
the police radio through the door, which is like so intense,
and I feel like most people would be like like, oh,
I don't want to be like that's intent.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's a lot of steps.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
If they aren't a real cop, you won't hear that
and won't get confirmation. And nine one one will know
that there is an impersonator at your.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Door, and you'll it'll be an impersonator. So even if
you're like, oh I went through too many steps, you
know have a person that was trying to get into
your house and you now have nine one one on
the line.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
And you know they're not the little shit and it's like, well,
I would be like, well, what if they break my
door down, which they can't do unless they have a warrant.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
But then it would be the police, and that would
mean if they were breaking your door down, that would
mean you were in there with like a hostage or something.
I mean like that's they don't break your door down
when they just need to come and talk to you
about right.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
But if the guy, if the killer breaks your door down,
then you're already on the phone with nine one. That's right,
exactly right. Also, it's not gonna happen. I'm in for
the fucking chances.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Get a new front door if it's that easy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Our old front door at my old place was like
a bedroom door, was it really? Yeah? It was like hollow.
I know this because I fucking patched over it. But
I put a note in it first. But it was
just a total hollowed bedroom door and not What did
the notes say? It was like a wish, oh, which
I don't do very often, but it came true. I

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think it said like I wish to be mildly successful
and very happy.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Fucking I don't need to be like extreme. I'm not
asking for everything. Wait a second, did you just start
a new trend of putting wishes inside doors and patching over.
I mean that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I think it's a thing of like hiding wishes. There's
a wishing tree in Griffith Park on a path and
someone just puts paper and a pen up there and
there's like a hollow in the tree and you just
drop your wish in there.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Huh. What would your wish be? Tree?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Your door? Because it's two different scenarios. Or it could
be tree, door, birthday, cake, anything.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Oh aren't you not supposed to say? Can you tell?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
You could probably say the door and then he'll t
it could be, you know, because Stevens such a gossip like, okay,
have it because I just told the door wish. The
door wish you're allowed to say, but the birthday and
tree you're not allowed to say.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh well right now, it would be to meet somebody
that was exciting that would make me not feel dead
inside anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Uh yeah, so you're not gonna meet like a nice
what I don't know. What's a job that a guy
could be the architect?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, a trade like something that's just like your self
sufficient and you're not. Your job isn't to judge or
rate other people.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I just I always thought mechanics probably were cool who
like specialize in a certain kind of like old car
and they're like the best in their trade. Or tattoo
artists would be fun.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Tattoo artists would be very cool. Yeah, yeah, just like
one of those guys you know sometimes you see people
fixing the road as you drive by. They've got like
a hard hat and an orange shirt. Yeah, like, that's
the hottest guy I've ever seen and we'll ever see
and he's probably so down to earth. Right, Well, well,
let's punch a hole in your door unless at the

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wish and go and do it.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Let's let's do it in my closet door, which is
a mirror. Oh, that'd be fun, and then you have
seven years good luck.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Right, that's the This is a classic example of if
you just tuned in, you have no idea what this
podcast is about or why.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's so what the fuck moment for all of you.
Don't worry, we'll get to the murder. Don't worry, but
it's gonna get real dark, So calm down if you're
really into dark stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh, Canada, we have an exciting announcement.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh yeah, Toronto, specifically because I feel like a bunch
of people in what's a Canada city.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh, don't ask me, Regina.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Regina.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
We're like, oh my god, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Really.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
I'll always remember Regina because when I was helping Wanda Sykes,
I think it was last year or two years ago,
when she had a gala she had she was hosting
the gala JFL and uh, we did this really funny bit.
But the very end it was a joke of naming
cities and I didn't know Regina was a city I
could have named. It's basically a joke in and of

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itself Calgary, but in terms of naming it was like
a thing. It just would have been the perfect because
it sounds like a dirty joke in and of itself.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Do you know all I want in life, aside from
mild fam mild success, and extreme happiness is to get
invited to a lot of gallas with silent auctions. Really,
I love them.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Do you? And by that you mean like a big benefit,
like a yeah, like it's five hundred dollars a plate
type of thing.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, but I don't want to pay. No, I'll pay well,
we get a sponsors, we get somebody else, but I'll
buy silent auction stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Okay, because that's for you. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Also giving money, so it's like okay to Oh that's
the last one I went to. I was a Ronald
McDonald house one, and I bid because I thought i'd
be funny on a Guy Fiertti, like set, oh, you're
pronouncing that correct Fieri, Guy Fieri set Oh no no.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
So it's so good to correctly pronounce Guy Fieri's name.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, that who once and he was really nice, so
I feel like I deserve he deserves that respect, even
though it's made up and it's actually fairy, I think,
not kidding. Oh, and so I won like a huge
and I won because nobody else been on it. So
I got like a cookbook and a big Guy Fiertti
night fairy knight but says Skuy Fieri on the side,

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and it's like the biggest butcher knife. It's like not
supposed to be this big yeah, and butcher knife. Yeah,
maybe like some hot sky fiery hot sauce, like I
want a thing that's so good. But you know, the
money went to it's for charity.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Charity. He is or lived in my hometown. There was
one year when Nora was like four years old and
they have this thing where Daytime Trigg her treating in
downtown Paloma and we were. I was taking her around
because you get to go into stores and they give
little kids candy cutest and he was there with his kids,
and I was like, I know that guy. This was

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before his.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
No transition into international fame into Fierti and Fierti from
Barry to Fierti.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
But does is that how he pronounces it? He?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I think it's Fietti Stephen.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
But no one on anywhere else says that though.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Can we get an opening of Diner's, which, by the way,
is a great show to put on in the background.
I don't know why I am what's it promoting Guy
Fieri so hard? Why am I doing that?

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I feel like I'm making you feel defensive about this
pronunciation thing, which I don't mean to do.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I feel like I never realized how much I'm a champion.
I don't know. We spilled yams on him on stage
once and he was really nice, and.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Okay, yeah he does. He takes a lot of shit,
that's for sure, but it's just because he bleaches and
then gels his.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Hair and puts his glasses on backwards.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And he's just a dude. He's just He's a dude, dude.
He's not a YouTube star dude. He's a dude dude.
He's a dude dude that's never claimed to be anything
but a dude.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right, Yeah, Okay, live your truth. Uh, we have hats
on online my favorite murder if you want to wear
a hat backwards, but to my favorite murder shirts. But
we're going into the announcement. I'm going into I'm going
into merch corner.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Okay, but we were just going into I thought we
were doing something else. I started the other one. But
what was it? The JFL announcement. Oh shit, I to
I thought we were done. I thought we have hats online.
I thought we were they corner and it was done. Dude.
This is probably the most add episode we have ever recorded.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I am only on like two cups of coffee. There's
nothing I'm taking anything.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
I just feel like I'm not actually here. Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Toronto's like, shut up the guy fiery.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, Toronto's like, you told us we had something to hear.
It was telling us what we wanted to tell you.
It's the correct pronunciation of Guy Fieri's name, which is
also we're coming to your city, but don't worry about it.
And even you have the actual information, please.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Give it the show info. It's at the Sony Center.
It's September thirtieth atm and it goes on sale Friday,
June second, which is tomorrow, not from recording, but for
when it's released a eastern seven am Pacific and the

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link is jfl com. But we'll tweet it out.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
So if that didn't wasn't smooth in the beginning, The
point is we've been invited to perform at the Just
for Laps Comedy Festival in Toronto, and so it'll be
our first show in Toronto ever, which is thrilling and
uh and then and tickets go on sale tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, and like, yeah, it's gonna be fun. Yeah yeah,
Guy Fiery won't be there. Maybe he'll be our hometown.
Do you think we can get him on to be
our hometown murder?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, let's try it. Let's just see. Let's she knows
you you know each other. Let's put it out in
the universe and let's stick it in the door.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Let's put it in a fucking let's knocked down another
yet another door.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Hold on, I changed my I change my wish. You
can have both. Wait, no, guy, don't.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Even love Oh my god, what if both of them become.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
So manie? Like what if just let's picture it.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
For a minute, like you were like, I'm so against it,
and like, turns out he's the most wonderful person you've
ever met.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Look, I'm not against a person that can cook. God
bless your soul, because I tell you last night, as
I was buying the pre made chicken, rice and broccoli
dish that they have at Von's, I was picking it
up cold or hot. You heat it up, okay, but
it's kind of like a it's a little bit of
a deli item. But anyway, as I was picking it up,
I was just like, this is this is not how

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you're supposed to be at this age, at this stage,
Like I should have learned by now and just have
a couple of dishes you make for yourself for dinner
and be an adult instead of just.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Like, eh, I don't believe in it.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Meanwhile, Guy fiery's in my kitchen. He pulls it, he
turns the stove all the way up to twelve. He
throws a pan down, He's throwing things like he's throwing
things into that pan.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
The thing of like I don't have anything in my kitchen,
and he's like, I'll figure something out, and like polls
things from places you didn't even know you had, and
was just like throws together that. I fucking love that.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Like there's he pulls a bag of baby carrots that
are all small and gray, and he's like, it takes
two minutes to bring these back to life.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
All you to do is, I don't know, boil them.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Vince feeds me a lot because he realizes I don't
I won't do it myself because I'm not really an adult,
and so I'll just eat like spicy mango from Trader
Does delicious. So he's like he just starts making dinner sometime.
It's like without even asking me what I want or
like what do I want to do?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, this is just happening. Yeah, so what happens and
so it's not a discussion, So it happens. I'm just saying,
like that's his thinking is, Yeah, let's just get this going.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
And he makes nice Midwestern you know, family protein and
a vegetable and like a grain or something. It's just like,
oh my.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
God, God damn it.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I know.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
God, damn that guy.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Sorry, I didn't mean to know.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
I support you.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, when you and I are together, he invents can
have cookoffs.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I'm gonna have. I'm gonna be wearing his sunglasses as
a headband in my hair. Well, he cooks me broccoli
in a way that's gonna make me want to eat it.
What if you guys cook together? Nope, Karen chopped this thing.
That's gonna be how why we break up?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
He's gonna give you like jobs and so you're gonna
feel like part Oh my god, I'm in love with
this coupling.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
But I'm immediately gonna cut my finger, blame him, start screaming,
and then go watch Ncis stop talking to him. That's
a great relationship. It's gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
So the point is my favorite murder shirts dot com
we have I think we're gonna have a sat sale at.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
The beginning of June. I don't know. Let's go. There's
a lot of shit. It's really cool, so much great stuff.
We cop advice hats for sale live show.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
We're gonna plug some pins because we keep getting really
cool pins.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
We were gonna plug specific pins. Then we decided, why
don't we just plug go to Etsy and look up
my favorite murder pins because so many different people make
so many great.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Those cool enamel ones, Like, there's a lot of really
cool enamel ones. Yeah, there's a lot of great little
I mean it's they're the.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Best, and you can get your slogans and your sayings
and it's very cool. And we appreciate all the people
that make pigions equally. Yeah, you're all our guy feared.
I mean except for No, there's nobody.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
What if I just called the one person I called
out was the one I didn't like their pin.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
There's a little design flaw on this one. No, And
then we're gonna talk about the Keepers. So this is
we've been People have been asking us over and over
obviously on social media to talk about these these things,
these things that come up that are true crime, these
TV shows, these TV shows or like, yeah, and the Keepers.
So I watched it. I did the thing where I

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started watching it in the afternoon and then stayed up
all night watching the entire thing.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I think I texted you and was like, I'm about
to start this. I think we like press play at
the same time we did and then we text over
the getting and then I think we both stopped because
we were both just like so engrossed in it. Yeah,
well I had to leave or you had to leave. Stopped,
we stopped talking. Then I had to pause it, and.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
I was so mad. I had to go to a
show and all I wanted to do is come back
and keep watching it. It was It's the most amazing series.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
About It starts off. You think you know what it's about.
Here's how I keep explaining it to people who don't know.
A nun gets killed in the late sixties. She's a
high school teacher. She's a wonderful person. You think that's
what it's about. Yeah, And then next episode and the
rest of it is priest who was the principal? Fucking

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all the the high school students?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Did she get killed?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Are they? Are they? This is exactly how.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I explain it.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
This is not how I explain it usually. I've had
two white wines before I explained it.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
And it's a lot and you're yelling over music in
a bar.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, and I'm yelling at somebody who doesn't want doesn't
care about true crime. Right, Okay, so you go, well, no,
I mean it is all that. I think he was
the counselor though. Okay, so, but he was definitely like
the Parisian.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
You tell me, ye, tell you all about it.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
So in the Catholic church, let's start from the they
brought him in. So it's a Catholic high school in Baltimore,
all girls, all girls high school, and they bring this
guy in as a counselor.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
And.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
So the girls get called into the counselor's office and
the way they tell Okay, first of all, let's just
say this. You meet these two women who had gone
to that school, were taught by sister Kathy, the none
that got murdered, and they are trying to find out her.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Cold case, how she got murdered, why she got murdered,
what happened, because one of them is having these memories repressed.
She's an old you know, she's in her forties. She's
a mom and a wife with the fucking best husband.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
He's like the best?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes, that's a different I'm talking about this too. That
everyone's saying are the Karen and Georgia Murderino characters.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
The actual investigate, the investigative, and they're the best.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
They're the best. All you want to do is sit
at that kitchen table with them and talk about this stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Katslan said she's going to be the redheaded one for Halloween.
Like that's the best thing I've ever heard in my life.
It's that woman is so awesome. I wish I'd looked
up her name. But they're they're just basically going, we
loved our teacher.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
We want to know. We don't think it's right that
she was murdered and that the case went cold. We
want to know what happened. And in their digging, they
start finding out these things simultaneously, but not not knowing.
Across town, the woman George was talking about starts having
her repressed memories start coming to her of things that
happened to her.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
And when she breaks down crying at her table, Yeah,
after she tells a very detail. I mean, these two
women who come forward, who are the Jane does are
so brave. I can't even handle it.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, because what happened to them, it's the thing, and
this is the thing that happens. It's so upsetting when
you watch these Catholic church molestation stories, it's the absolute
abuse of power and the preditory nature of these priests
or you know, whatever, whoever the story's about. But in
this case, this priest who would pick girls who he

(24:08):
knew had single parents, He knew their parents had been
recently divorced, he knew that they were maybe going through
some stuff themselves.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Maybe even already molested, already being molested. So it was like, well,
it's almost like if you in the wild had to
be like, here are the steps of how children, how
people pick children get molested, because these people have free
rein and it's like point for point, the grooming and
the threatening in these it's just so awful.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
It's awful, and it's the thing of back then, because
I think it was nineteen seventy, right.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I think it was like sixty eight or sixty nine
when she got murdered.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay, maybe so, but yeah, basically in that in that realm,
this was back when if a priest called you to
his office, you just get up and leave class and go,
and nobody around would go, why is he calling you?
You don't need to be alone in an office with
that man or whatever. There was nothing quite the opposite
where they had they had complete power over where children went,

(25:10):
what they did when they went.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Like you were special if you got called at the office.
Almost yes, and oh.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
And the worst part is that priest found the woman
who you were talking about. Oh, we should know these
people's names. And now I can't remember. But that woman
who broke down when she was telling that story, she
went to him and in confession confessed to him that
she had been molested as a child. Right, and that's

(25:35):
how he knew to pick on her.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
And he said she asked for forgiveness, and he's like,
I don't know if I don't know if we can
do that and I'll help you get.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
For Oh it's luten. Let me tell you this as
a Catholic for a long, long life Catholic. Sorry did
a yelt Stephn just pulled his thing off. But let
me tell you this. The way confession works is you
go into that box, you spill your guts and the
priest who is who is there as a as like
a what do you call that? Almost like the soul

(26:03):
of God? Right, he's there to go because in the
Bible that says you ask forgiveness and you get it.
So and people know this now, but it makes me
so mad because in that moment when he said, I
don't know if God can forgive you ding ding ding red.
Let know that it's not yours to say, Well, how scary.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
To know that he forgives everything and accept the thing
that you've done.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Anyways, I think The Keepers is one of the fucking
best one documentaries. I am engrossed. I have twenty fucking
minutes left and I almost don't want to get through
it on.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
The last episode. Yeah, yes, because you don't want to
let it go.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Like seven episodes I think, and it is just Yeah,
the reason I found the YouTube thing is because I
needed a break because I was so fucking engrossed and
depressed about it.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's so heavy, it's so much to like absorb. Yeah,
but I will also say this, the person I believe
the director's name was Ryan White, the one name I remember,
And kudos to him because in those interviews when people
start crying, they must have felt a level of comfort
talking to him about this and the way he conducted

(27:08):
those interviews. Not only when he was talking to the victims,
did they really share so much of themselves and like
obviously feel comfortable enough to express their real emotions, which
is a very difficult thing to do. But then like
later on when he was talking to that guy who
is now in charge the Baltimore Police Chief, where he

(27:28):
was just hearing these things and then going, yeah, we'll
have to look. But you saw on his face he
was like, what the hell is going on? That he's
being informed about how these cases were handled in the past.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
And then the interview with the guy who's the suspect. Yes,
that old dude, Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
And the other thing that drives me crazy, of course,
because this is our fucking thing that we hate, is
that the only reason the statute limitations isn't up on
the smallestation charge is because they have. It's because it's
a repressed memory that just came through. So if they
have to prove in court not only that they were molested,
but that they just remembered it, yes, which is must

(28:07):
be impossible to prove in itself.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
But how sick is that?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah? Sick is that that if you didn't remember it later,
you you couldn't pross, you couldn't go after this. The
statute of limitations makes me fucking ill, And I think
someday we're going to be if the fucking apocalypse hasn't
come already, we're going to be.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
I feel like that is changing in some places. I
don't know about Baltimore, but yeah, the when they all
start going and it's not just that school or just
that specific priest, but there's a part near the end
where a lot of people are going to talk about
how that need that law needs to change.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
There's a lot of victims I think, who get who
get their power back by changing laws, and I think
that's a big one. Unfortunately, it's most of those are
never retroactive, right, which is such a Again, it's such
a fucking bummer, and it pisses me off. It's insane,
especially because you know, with these sexual molestations and even
you know, in rapes and all these things. It's like

(29:06):
victims don't want to come forward and right away because
it's traumatic and it's opening them again. But once they
get their strength and are older.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
But by then, well it's the crazy part is everything
it becomes dependent on a person who's been victimized. It's
really amazing too, having done this podcast for the short
amount of time that we've done it, like how much
I've come to learn and understand about like the victims
and the positions they get put in and how much

(29:35):
is put on that. So it's like, so no one's
going I mean not that no one is, but it's
it was like, so it's all just depending on whether
or not this girl who has been traumatized and victimized
and truly like her entire childhood has been completely ruined
and screwed up and she's just blocked entire things out

(29:56):
and all this stuff. But it's all just on her shoulder. Yeah,
nothing is on that fucking monster priest.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, it's that thing of like innocent and tel proven
guilty the person being accused, but the person who's accusing
them is lying and tel proven otherwise almost, which is
just not It's like, I know, innocent until proven guilty
is a strong thing in our society and it's needed
and necessary, but it's that that means that the person
who is bringing their charges is a liar and tell

(30:24):
proven otherwise.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, when you have those kinds of lawyers that the
lawyers that were the lawyers for the Catholic Church that
were defending this priest, I don't know how they sleep
at night. I don't know how they sleep at night,
especially after this, after this this is gonna say podcast
after this series where you're just like that, the way
they were arguing and the things that they did and said,

(30:45):
and the fact that ultimately the fact that they are
supposed to be representatives of the church. Yeah, it is
just the ultimate hypocrisy and the shittiest just like, what
are you fighting for? You got to look at that, Yeah,
like you you're basically accusing these people of like they're
going to sacrifice their whole life and credibility for like

(31:07):
because they're trying to chisell money out of you. I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
So they can't even come out as their real names
or Jane Doe because they will be fucking attacked by
not just the church, but people who are Like it's
just every fucking every episode, don't skip one. There's like
a new revelation that's fucking incredible, but it's really hard
to watch.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's very hard to watch. And also it's pre Spotlight,
so like they were really the first ones that made
an actual dent and a mark, and I remember, but
I just didn't separate the cities because I remember the
Spotlight things happening in Boston, but these ones that happened
in Baltimore. They this Jane Doe. These two women really

(31:44):
were the ones that came forward and started making a
dent to get least.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I had never heard of it. I mean, it's incredible.
It's an incredible show.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Got to watch it. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, next week on Shows we Love, we'll talk about mommy,
dad and dearest. That's right, I know, we owe you guys. Yes, However,
the keepers came and it was just like, oh my all,
my attention is here.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Amazing? Yeah, yeah, okay, how much longer do we have? Then?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Seven minutes? Episode over? Who goes first?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
First?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Questions?

Speaker 5 (32:17):
I care in this this week?

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Okay, okay, all right, it's my turn. Yes, it's my
turn to shine. Now. This is a suggestion this could
be one of our books where because somebody suggested this
to both of us. So I was actually thinking as
I was writing this, I'm like, what if Georgia saw
this one? When did they suggest it? I can't remember.
Maybe a week ago on Twitter? Uh huh, it's at

(32:41):
miss New Judy suggested it to both of us. And
anytime people suggest them to us, I open it up
and I look at the thing and then I'm like,
sometimes I'll go like I should do that, and I
never think about it again. And sometimes I go, I
know that one already or whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I've started bookmarking them in my so when I'm frantically
on Tuesday morning going.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
What are day? Which I do? Yeah, you have those
ones waiting for you.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Well this one. When I opened it up, I immediately
was so entranced and horrified that I was like, this
is going to be my next one.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
This sounds fun.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
So thank you, miss new Judy for suggesting it. It's
so good. It's John Crutchley, the vampire Rapist. Love it already?
Have you heard?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
No? Okay, clearly I didn't see that tweet, all right.
So this took place.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Around thanks It was Thanksgiving in nineteen eighty five in
Malabar Reverd County, Florida, which is so Reverd County and Malabar.
I guess I looked it up on a map so
i'd know what I was talking about. It's right on
the coast. It's on the east coast of Florida, and
it's it's seventy seven miles southeast of Orlando, so it's

(33:52):
basically middle going toward the bottom, but right on the water.
All right, So this is what happened. It's Thanksgiving nineteen
eighty five, and a man is driving down the road
and he sees a young woman totally naked. Her hands
are handcuffed and her ankles are handcuffed, and she's hopping
down the road.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
So he pulls over. He gets her into his car,
and she's totally weak, she's covered in dirt, she's panicked.
She points to the house nearby and says, remember that
house to him, honey. Yes. He drives her to his
house where his wife is. They call the cops and
an ambulance and she gets taken to the hospital and

(34:35):
the doctors find out that forty to forty five percent
of her blood is gone. No, yes, so she has been.
And she then tells them the story of what's happened
to her, and it.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Goes a little something like this one.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Okay, so she was hitch hiking. It's you know, it's
nice to eighty five. It hadn't been totally taken out
of our society yet, she said. Checking down the road,
a guy pulls over. He's wearing a business suit. He's
wearing a suit. He looks you know, he looks like
a professional businessman is on the let and he's just

(35:14):
very casually is like, where do you need to go?
I'll take you there. She jumps into the car. As
they're driving, he goes, sorry, I just have to stop
at my house really quick. Jump out and roll I
mean jump out then, because you've now deviated from the plan.
Only give them one deviation from the plan, I would say.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
And then you're not familiar with your surroundings. I mean
not that it's either way, but then you're not like
you're not on your way to the place you want
to right, I know how to get there, Yeah, exactly right.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
So they pull into his driveway. He invites her in.
She says no, I'll wait in the car. He says fine.
He goes into the house for a little while. He
comes back out, and then he goes, sorry, I just
have to get something out of the back seat really quick.
He goes into the back seat behind the passenger seat,
and then he wraps a cord around her neck and
begins to strangle her. He choked her out in the car.
She wakes up. The next thing she knows, she's on

(36:03):
the kitchen counter. She's tied down to the kitchen counter naked,
and she is blindfolded with tape so she can see
underneath the bottom of it. It's not like material laying flat.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, so she can see that she's on a kitchen
counter naked. He's standing next to her naked, and he
has set up a video camera on a tripod, so
he's videotaping it. Fuck. He proceeds to rape her on
that table. Then he explains to her that he's a vampire,

(36:37):
and she feels a prick in her arm and he
begins to drain blood from her arm and drink it.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
How how what at that moment is she like? Oh fuck?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah what level of So you're probably in shock when
something like that happens to you. But then I think
things would just get real black and white, like yeah,
be like I need to get out of here. Now,
how do I get out of here? How do I
get out of here? So so basically I talked through

(37:11):
that and then lost my place.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Oh sorry, no, no.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
It's okay. So so then he takes her and he
puts her in the bathtub, and later that day he
comes back, He gets her, takes her out of the bathtub,
puts her on his bed, tranquilizes her some strong drug
and rapes her again, then drink drains her blood again,
and drinks it again, brings her back to the bathtub.

(37:38):
And the next day she wakes up and he does
it again, and then he tells her he has to
leave the house, but not to try to escape because
his brother's there and he'll kill her if she tries
to escape. She hears the car leave, and then she manages,
so she's now had her blood drained three times. She

(37:58):
manages to get up and to kind of stand and
pull herself up to the tiny bathroom window that's above
the bathroom. Can you imagine how dizzy she is at
that point? I mean, and also just like the amount
of times I say I'm tired when I have done
suck all all day long is shocking. And then I
think about things like this, where when you have to

(38:19):
like dig from the bottom and like really power yourself through,
it's like, I hope I'm gonna be able to do Thatand.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I got up this morning and got really dizzy and like,
and I hadn't even done anything, and there's no blood
stolen from my person. Percent of your blood, I have
one hundred No, probably.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
What if Elvis is drinking her blood?

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Am I that's kind of cute.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Yeah, that's how that's why you're so bonded, Okay, sus it.
She pulls herself up. She sees that the lock on
this bathroom window is broken, so she opens it up,
and she fucking pulls herself up somehow pulls herself up
and shimmy's out of this window and falls down to
the ground outside of the window.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
This is Mary Vincent level badassory. Yes, it's amazing and
it's yeah, it's just pure. She knows that this can't
go on right, like, this isn't she doesn't have time.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
What I love is that she being told there's somebody
that's gonna kill her, does it anyway because she knows
it's bullshit. It's fucking bullshit. So there's a cop in
this one of the uh, like the shows that I
watched about this guy, a cop who says, if you
saw this window, you wouldn't understand how a person got
got out of it. Wow, Like, she made herself fit

(39:30):
through a tiny bathroom window and got out, and that's
when and then she crawled to the road and finally
got herself up and when she started hopping, they said
a couple of there's different On murder Pedia, a couple
of the articles say different things, but one says that
a couple of trucks passed her before anybody picked her up,
and then finally that that guy picked her up, which

(39:51):
also that how hard would it be to get into
a strange, strange man's car.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I also have that thinking, Evan, this is probably from
goonies of like what if it was guy coming home
that what is the vampire?

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yes, exactly right. You get into the car the person
that got you there in the first place, and it's like,
to me, that's like the worst horror movie of like.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
No, it's almost made it.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, yeah, but she makes it. So the doctors at
the hospital say if she had stayed there one more night,
she'd definitely be dead because there's so much blood gone
that they kind of are amazed she got herself out
of there. So uh so she when she got into
the car, I told you that already right where, she said,
remember that house. It's just my favorite because it's just

(40:33):
like she was on she was like getting she had done.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
So they this girl is a vintage murderer. Now, yeah,
she really you know what I mean. Yes, she's takeing
care of business. Yeah, she knows, she knows the signs
and signals.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, so she they go back to the house and
they have a search warrant to go back into the house.
So I've completely lost my place. You might have to
fix this part, Stephen. M mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Well, I'm impressed right now that you just like, I
see you and I'm watching you and this is all
off the.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Top of your head. Yes, because it's so when those
ones happen where it's like it's not just a standard
awful thing, but it goes into the world of almost
a cult where you're like these people. It's when you
see the house and the video, a white house on
the side of the road that looks kind of nice.
It looks like nice family lives there, and inside is

(41:24):
like nightmare town beyond Anyone's like, you wuldn't even know
what was happening to you if somebody was draining and
drinking your blood insanity. Yeah, okay, So please get a
search warrant of thirty nine year old John Crutchley's home.
His wife and child had been out of town for
the Thanksgiving weekend. Huh huh uh huh, So he's a

(41:45):
family man. When they get there, they find the video
camera equipment that she described, but the tape inside had
been recorded over.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Had he already come home and he knew she was gone?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yes, okay, probably because so this videotape is recorded over right.
They also find and photograph stacks of credit cards in
other people's names. And they find a pile of jewelry
hidden in the back of a closet, all women's jewelry
and so, and they photograph that. So they arrest John

(42:17):
Crutchley on kidnapping and rape charges. So the police in
Brevard County realize they have an advanced predator and this
is not standard fare for them, so they call the
FBI and for them. Who shows up but Robert Wrestler. So,
Robert Wrestler, we've talked about a couple of times, but
he's the famous FBI agent who worked in the behavioral

(42:40):
science units. He worked there for years. He's the guy
that developed ViCAP that basically enabled cops to start communicating
on a national database to put in them os of killers,
so that uncaught cold cases and uncaught crimes that people
could enter them in and go, is there anybody else
that likes to drain the blood of young women? That's

(43:02):
Robert Wrestler.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
What a bad ass motherfucker. He should have like, you know,
b A m F. But you know it's the last
letters of your name when you're like a doctor.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Oh yeah, like PhD instead of MD. Yeah, he's BAMF
badass motherfucker. So they thank god, they call him in
and he immediately has a profile going for this guy,
and he immediately tells the cops this is an organized
serial killer who has definitely killed before, because you don't

(43:30):
have a person that's this comfortable picking somebody off the
street and doing this crazy shit in his home. He
didn't even take her somewhere neutral. He took her to
his home. He's done it before.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
This is this is the result of escalation, not the
beginning exactly right.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, this isn't for your first swing into I think
I'm a vampire? Which should I do?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Or I think I'm a rapist? How do I do this?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah? Let me let me do what I want all
the time. So he and he also I'm pretty sure
Jack Crawford from the Silence of Lamb is based on him.
He's the one Robert Wrestlers, the one that wrote a
book called Whoever Fights Monsters?

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Oh yeah, I was looking at that from another murder.
There's so much information in there.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, it's supposed to be the best book. I've never
read it, though, I'm going to read it. That's gonna
be my next book too. Let's fight it together. Okay, good?
Should we listen to it?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I wonder if it's a good audiobook.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I like the idea of listening to it. Let's do it.
It's so much easier, it's so much easier. I'm in
my car so much more than I'm in my Yeah,
reading room.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I promise your house will be so clean as soon
as you get into an audiobook that you're into.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, that's the that's very true. Okay, So Whoever Fights Monsters?
By Robert Wrestler, let's do a read along everyck. Yeah.
But he's also just the guy that like he put it,
he puts it all together in that super interesting scientific
way where it's the guy that's like, serial killers are
ninety percent or more are white men between the ages
of twenty eight and thirty whatever, Like that's this guy.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, so those start fascinating when they're so correct, like
he does this kind of business, he's in this kind
of thing, he has, this family he has, it's just like.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
And then they find the guy and it's like every
almost every time, it seems like they imagine.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
And I keep thinking, like, no fucking way, that's crazy
and it's too simple, and then it's like exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Ding ding dingy Robert Wrestler A plus. So okay, excuse me.
So they start because once they bring him in and
he tells them this, they start looking at missing persons
cases around Brevard County and they find that there have
been four dead unidentified women's bodies that have been discovered
in that county in the previous year.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Wait, that didn't immediately ring some bells. I mean, I
don't know how big that place is, but yeah, that's
fucking insane.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, in the area they had in the one year
four dead women that they didn't know who they were.
I can't breathe. Then Wrestler notices that John Crutchley has
moved a lot and changed jobs a lot, so they
start looking at places he used to live. They look
into his last known addresses and they see there's a

(45:55):
number of cold cases involving missing and the unidentified bodies
of young women. So they start like basically gathering up
all this information. So just a quick background. He the
saddest sentence that I've ever read on Wikipedia is about

(46:20):
this about John Crutchley. It's the beginning of his Wikipedia entry,
and it's born to a well to do family in Pittsburgh.
John Crutchley was a friendless child. Oh, a friendless child?

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh how can that be?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
And also when you look at his picture, if you've
ever seen the movie Rent, there's an actor named Anthony
Rapp who has like strawberry blonde hair. He could play
John Crutchley. He would have to get creep out makeup
done and probably lose a lot of like not that
he's in any he's perfectly fit to person, but he
doesn't have the same exact face. But he's basically matches that,

(47:00):
so's he'll do it for a role. But anyway, it's
just he looks he has like panic eyes. He has
dark eyes and blonde hair, which is scary, Like he's
such a good descriptor. Yeah, and also the really thick
like eighties glass eighties aviator glasses, not sunglasses, but just.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Glasses, glasses, the pervert glasses per glasses, but not transition lenses.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Interestingly, not all right, excuse me? So anyway, when he so,
he went to college, he got his degree and shit,
where did it go? Oh, I don't have that here.
He got his degree in physics, I think or something
like that. Then he went to graduate school and he

(47:43):
got his degree in electronic engineering management or something like that.
His first job out of graduate school was at Delco
Electronics in Cocomo, Indiana, and he left there relatively soon
after because he there was an investigation made by the
company into missing materials that they thought he had stolen.

(48:05):
Excuse me, so just right away, a lot of a
lot of question marks about this guy. So then he
moves to Fairfax County, Virginia in the mid seventies. That's
where his mother lived, and he gets remarried. He got
married in college, and that that marriage ended relatively quickly.
So mid seventies, he gets remarried and he works for

(48:27):
several high tech firms in the DC area, including trw
Ica and Logicon Process. I don't know what none of those,
I mean, how could we ever? So about this time,
when he's working at these companies, several teenage girls in
the area disappeared. No In Fairfax, Virginia, a twenty five

(48:49):
year old woman named Deborah fitz John went missing and
her remains were later found in a remote area by
a hunter. She was last seen in Crutchley's mobile home.
Oh dear, which I don't know stand. If he's like
an engineer at these high end companies, why is he
living in a mobile home park.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Maybe it's a fucking the lexus of mobile homes? Oh
true true true. From nineteen seventy nine through nineteen eighty three,
Crutchley worked for a Washington based defense contractor and had
access to Norfolk Naval air stations, and during that time,
a twenty three year old Navy messenger named Pamela An
kim Brew disappeared from the base on March twenty fifth,

(49:28):
nineteen eighty two. She was later found dead in a
car submerged at the end of a seaplane ramp. Her
killer tied her arms behind her with clothesline and then
tried to strangle her. There was a green ski mask
and fingerprints that didn't belong to her or her boyfriend
in the car, and then a twenty one year old
navy clerk named Carol Anne Molnar disappeared February sixth, nineteen

(49:50):
eighty three. Her decomposed body was found three months later,
partially buried under rocks of a sea wall at the
Norfolk base, and she had been strangled. So there's all
these cold cases around the areas where he lived. There's
so many, and I've never heard of him.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah, I know, well maybe because of this. So so
when the cops go back in for a second, they
get a second search warrant and they go in to
seize all that stuff that they had seen on the
first time around. That stack of credit cards is gone,
and that pile of women's jewelry is gone. They can't
find it.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
That's what they should have taken it.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
And then the tapes are they can't find any tapes
that have stuff on it, right, right, So because I
think the first time around, they're just like I who
like a search warrant isn't the same as like a
search and seizures.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Maybe maybe there's got to be yeahss.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
And answers, but they were I think it's that thing
of they're taking pictures of it. They know you haven't, right,
But then it's gone anyway, And it's that kind of like, well,
you didn't catch me with it, so there's nothing you
can do, Okay. So anyway, they were unable to find
any hard evidence that tied him to any of those
cold cases that I just talked about. But he was

(51:03):
brought up on charges of kidnapping, rape, grievous bodily harm
for the exanguination, and drug possession. And he got those
last two charges of plea bargained down in exchange for
agreeing to plead guilty to kidnapping and rape. So they
basically cut out the fact that he drained and drank

(51:24):
her blood and the drugs he gave her so that
he would just plead guilty and like they could move
it along. And in court, the defense tried to present
him as only being guilty of having kinky sexual tastes
and an interest in bondage. Yeah, they referred to the

(51:44):
nineteen year old victim as a manson girl who was
in fact soliciting him for kinky sex when they met.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
How did I know that would happen? That she was
into kinky sex and she wanted it this way? Like,
how could they know that?

Speaker 3 (51:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
How did I know that that was gonna be. That's
how they are going to turn it around, Yeah, because
that's kind of standard fair.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, where it's it's almost like the most offensive thing
that could happen is the way they blow it up,
so that now you're thinking about that instead. Like the
idea that they call her a Manson girl, Yeah, where
it's like it's nineteen eighty fucking five. Yeah, Like she's
not a Manson girl. This isn't that. This summer of
love is long long over, right, And whether or not
she's a sex worker, pretty sure that if she agreed

(52:26):
to get into someone's car, having her blood drained out
of her body and being held and repeatedly raped was
in no way.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
And like you and I could be called like serial
killer girls because we're into like you know, So maybe
she's fascinated my Manson end reads about him, but that
that doesn't mean she's like supports him, like I read
about World War two, But it doesn't mean I'm in
a hitler.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, but I don't even think I think they were
just using that as a way to label her, you
know what I mean, just to say she's basically throwaway.
It's just a different way to say she's trash, which
is the bullshit part. Here's a bigger bullshit part. Crutchley's
wife testified, I was wondering where she was, and well,
here she is, and here's what she had to say.

(53:08):
She says, this crime is nothing more than S and
M that got out of hand and they ended up
bringing in he'd stacks of three by five cards of
different women's names and the S and M and bondage
like sex play that they liked to engage in because
he was apparently did it all the time, and many

(53:28):
of the people who had been sexual partners with him
were testified that they got into it because they were
into S and M and then he would not respond
to the safe word and he ended up he would
end up raping them or attacking them in a way.
But they felt like they couldn't do anything about it
because it started out consensual and then turned to rape
and there was nothing they could do, so they you know,

(53:50):
that's kind of an amazing thing, is like that to
be in a world like that where it is actually
all about this kind of the consensual agreement and the
like it's an act of faith almost, and then the
only thing they can do is that when it turns
out he's a serial killer vampire, they can be like,
that happened to me too.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
I didn't go to the cops, or I did go
to the cops and they were like, wait, so so
you answered this personal line or whatever. Yeah, it's like
you you're a drug dealer and you get robbed. You're
not going to go to the cops and be like
I was stealing drugs and I got robbed. Yeah, that's right,
not that that's the same anyway.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, anyway, So the wife comes out, she says that,
and then she in reference to this nineteen year old
girl being tied down to her kitchen counter, raped and
having her blood drained, the wife says that this had
been a quote gentle rape, devoid of any overt brutality.
She wasn't fucking there, and that's what she is testifying

(54:44):
in court. Gentle rape. It's insanity, is what it is. Also,
after the trial, this same wife told reporters that she
couldn't quite understand what the fuss was since her husband
was just quote a kinky sort of guy.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
That dad, honey.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
So here's the good part, Okay, When they sentence him
based on Robert Wrestler's testimony at the sentencing hearing where
he says, this is absolutely an organized serial killer. We
just haven't found the bodies. We're like coming in on
the back end of his run, and you know, and
basically in all the profiling that he gave, the judge

(55:24):
in this case chose to exceed the state guidelines on
rape and kidnap charges and sentenced John Crutchley to twenty
five years in life to life in prison with fifty
years subsequent parole. Fuck you did. And then Robert Wrestler
calls this after the sentencing's over and he goes to jail.

(55:44):
Robert Wrestler's like, yeah, he's gonna get out early on
good behavior. That's how this goes. And that's exactly what happened.
He served eleven years eleven What does twenty five to
life mean? Well, if you're a good behavior, right.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
If you don't kill anyone in prison.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
So he serves eleven years. He gets out in August
of nineteen ninety six on good behavior, but state the
city officials of Malabar and both Melibar and Fairfax, Virginia
are like, you're absolutely not coming here. Can't you can't
live here and you can't come here, so he has
to go. They put him in a halfway house in Orlando,

(56:22):
where he has to then live, serve out his fifty
years parole, and begin to pay the restitution that he owes.
And while the.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Day after he's released from prison, I hope this is
what I think it is, he tests positive for marijuana
and is arrested. It's not what I thought it was
going to be.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
No, but that's great. We're close. And because it's his
third strike, the first being kidnapping, in the second being rape,
pop is his third strike, he goes back to jail
for life. Shut your fucking mouth, U Eh. So what
I think happened is like the cops knew, especially because
of Robert Wrestler. They're just like, this guy's going to

(56:59):
slip through the cracks because rape isn't that big of
a deal to our legal system, and so they just
stayed on him. They tested him. The pot that was
in his system was from a party they threw him
before he left jail, so he had smoked pot in jail.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
What so, But I wonder if, like, are you on
parole yet in jail? Though?

Speaker 1 (57:19):
No, but you're you're if it's still in your system.
When you're on parole, on day one you test positive
for marijuana. It doesn't matter when it got into your system. Wow,
you didn't allowed to have it in your system, had
it at your party in jail two, So he goes back,
he goes back, third strike, he's in jail for life.
And then in March of two thousand and two, he's

(57:39):
found dead in his cell with a plastic bag over
his head and he died asphyxiation.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Wow, but we don't know if it's suicide or not.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
But of note, and I think this is also this
is a fascinating part where I wish I was better
at research. I wish I take I took more time,
and I wish there was like I didn't really find
that man. That many articles about this in particular, but
I would love to know. When he was arrested, he
was found to be in possession of a great deal

(58:08):
of highly classified information about naval weaponry and communication, but
unnamed federal agencies other than the FBI considered opening an
espionage case against him and his employer, Harris Corporation, was
involved not only with NASA research and launch facilities at
Cape Canaveral, but also with other naval contractors and subcontracts.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
So he was stealing information and that's why he got
fired initially and sharing it with fucking the Russians.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
They don't know. Probably you just rewrote that ending well,
but again it's I mean, what it is is we
know that he is a thief. Aside from all these
other ways that he's a criminal, he has no problem
stealing shit from these and he is. He was a
very very intelligent and very successful like computer engineers.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Engineers are not stupid people, no, oh across the no.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
So that's why they were you know, Russell was saying,
there's many bodies that are his responsibility that we just
haven't found because he's so organized and he's been doing
this so long and his back then when you moved
around a lot, there was no way to trace anybody
or anything. Also, in nineteen eighty nine, crutch Lee's former

(59:23):
lawyer stated that he that Crushley was prepared to confess
to at least three murders and lead police to the
burial sites, but that negotiations between Crutchley and the prosecutors
fell through, so he just didn't do it. What happened.
It was like he wanted too much or I don't know.
That's another thing that's fascinating. Yeah, yeah, so they think,

(59:47):
I think that the thing on murder Pedia has victims
like zero to thirty plus in terms of murder victims.
They just they could associate him in all these places
that he's lived with girls just disappearing, but they don't
know for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Dude. That's and even if it's like, okay, a few
of them wish someone were murdered by someone else, that's
still an insane amount. That's not going to be half.
It's going to be at least you know. Yeah, shit, dude,
So to say his name again, John Crutchley, the vampire rapist. Okay, yeah,
I had never heard of that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Isn't that nuts?

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, it's so great one. I thought he was going
to get stabbed to death in prison.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Oh I thought was going to happen. Yeah, I mean,
I don't know. Maybe he uh, maybe he immediately like
when he was in high school, used to fix people's
stereos for money. Oh no, yeah, so maybe he just
was one of those people that used all of his
like his abilities for other people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Well, I can't imagine prison inmates throw it just to
everyone a goodbye party with pot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
You know what I mean, Like, that's not for the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
They are not Ever one gets a cake and we yeah,
further goodbye.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yes, he claimed that they blew the pot in his face.
It was not his fault.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yes, my cat says that to remember knowing people who
did that to their pets.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Yeah, it's the creepiest thing of all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
What's wrong with Oh he likes it't today?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I have a present for you, you do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
It's an angel of death. Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah. So I've been looking up the specific angel of
death for a couple of weeks now, like on and
off if I want to do him, and it's just
kind of eh. So yesterday I was at like a
little Memorial Day gathering and someone brought this one up
that I'd never heard of, and it's the news like
today and I and so I looked up and I'm like,

(01:01:47):
this is perfect. So this is Janine Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Do you know her? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
She's an angel of death. So Janine, which everyone I
don't know if everyone knows this is a nurse or
doctor or some kind of medical professional who kills their patients.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So Janine Jones was born July thirteenth, nineteen fifty. She
grew up in northwest San Antonio. She was adopted by
a nightclub owner and he owned the KitKat Swim Club, which,
like you know, is the best place to be swim club.
I don't know, Yeah, a nighttime swimming club. I don't

(01:02:27):
know if there's anything to even do with swimming. Please,
I want to go to this club. There's a pool
in the middle. Who knows, Yes, let's open it. Yes, yeah,
night swimming lights off? Oh my god, shit, you know
it's so creepy. What we just fucking ate a kitcat?

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
No, true, Joe, such a delicious KitKat. What are the
chances from the Seattle Show if you gave it to us?

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Oh, and they were they but they knew you love
Canadian kitkats, so they which are legit better? It's so
much better. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
So he her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Father managed the club, and her adopted mother Gladys fun
records at the turntable. So they sound like a fucking
fun time awesome couple.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Was this in the seventies?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
This was in and probably fifties, sixties, seventies, so somewhere
around that doesn't say.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Her mom's the djate R, dad's the club owner.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, and so like I think it's as a kid,
so it was probably in the sixties. Like they sound
fucking tits. Yeah, why aren't you cool? They adopt four kids,
They sound awesome. One of the brothers died of cancer
and another was killed by the explosion of a bomb
he had made when they were young.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Oh no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
So Janine worked as a beautician and then she attended
night nursing school in the late seventies. She was super smart.
She scored more than two hundred points above the passing
grade on her licensing exam. On her nursing exam, and
so after school she'd been working as a licensed vocational
nurse at Bexar County Hospital in San Antonio, which a

(01:03:57):
licensed nurse is like not an RN, right, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I think it's a step below. Yeah, but I could
be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
No, you're right, because they kept talking about that, So
I think you're correct.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, RN is like the thing. My mom was an RN.
So she's a real judgy about other medical assistants and
stuff like that. Or she would get very offended when
people only had medical.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Assistance and non urse right, or if they assumed she
wasn't an RN, right, So.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Very few people ever did that though. Yeah, she'd a real.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
RN feel about Yeah, well I think this chick did too,
because a lot of people thought she was. But she
was put in the eight bed pediatric intensive care unit
and the RNs basically said they were babysitters, which is
like and she was just like fuck that. She knew
a lot about anatomy and all these smart things. So

(01:04:42):
Bexar County would send its critically ill children there when
they couldn't afford a private hospital, so they basically didn't
have insurance, and they were like, you're off to this place.
Oh no, yeah, which is just like, let's talk about healthcare, man,
let's talk about her for three hours.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Let's get into it right now. Solve it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
So Janine worked a three to eleven PM shift, and
when baby started dying on her shift regularly, the other
nurses she worked with started calling it the death shift.
Oh shit, and the other nurses were like, what's up, supervisors,
there's something going on, but they didn't want to believe.
SUPERVISI didn't want to believe that the seemingly super dedicated

(01:05:23):
nurse was hurting her patients, so they didn't even look
into it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
But then during it was like I just don't want
it to be no way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Yeah, she's really intense large, she can't be Yeah. So
then eventually, during a fifteen month period in nineteen eighty
one and eighty two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Forty okay, wait not yet.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
So during a fifteen month period in eighty one eighty two,
forty two children died while undergoing treatment in the pediatric unit.
Thirty four of those patients died during the three to
eleven PM shifts. Oh my god, and the the we're patient,
like these are critically ill infants and like, yeah children yeah,
And she had directly cared for twenty of those children.

(01:06:08):
So the patients experienced uncontrollable bleeding, seizures, and breathing problems
that were correlated to her.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
So in early.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
December eighty one, an infant named josh Sawyer Joshua Sawyer
goes to the pediatric I see you after a fire
destroyed his family's home. So he's an infant, he was
suffering from smoke inhalationian and he's suffering seizures and cardiac arrest.
When he gets there, he's treated with de lantin dilantin.
That's my medicine. That's a seizure medication.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Oh my god, I was legitimately excited to hear mind
sounded sarcastic, but I was like, oh my god, no,
that's no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I'm excited for you. That's mine. Thank you, me too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Do you also take fenn of barbadal phoena barbitoll No, okay,
it's nott that like, okay, that's old kind of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Mine's a little bit old too. They want me to
not take it anymore, but it's the only thing that
controls my sees really.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Won if it changes, like like when you change ages
and you get used, you know probably the brain is
such a mystery, but it can't be fun to be like,
let's try this one now. In the same way the anidepressants,
it's like, no, please, don't put me on a new one.
I know it's going to be months of fucking uh
trial and error.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Yeah, and mine my trial and error was I would
have half seizures and spin in a circle like a
dog that was about to take a nap. Care in
this I did it on stage a couple of times,
and you had to lay down right yeap, because nobody
knew be turning in like looking I would. It was
like I was needed to look over my shoulder. Oh
I want to cry for like fifteen seconds. Oh my god,

(01:07:39):
I'm fucking insane. Maybe I've been through the mill. You
really have? That's that makes me so sad. Really, I
love that I am. No matter what the scenario, we
could be talking about children being murdered, I can still
make it about me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And that's what this podcast is. Isn't it my favorite
making it about me moment? My favorite me? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Sorry, um no, that's good. Anyways, back to this infant.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
So he's on thy lantern and phoena barbital and by
his fourth day at the ICU, the seizures had stopped
and he was breathing on his own. But his mother,
Connie Weeks at the urging of a friend, so she
had been bedside this whole fucking time, freaking out after
her entire house burned down and she has having a
fucking seizure, no panic attack. Baby, friend is like, get
out of here. She goes home to take a shower,

(01:08:32):
change her clothes, like be normal and also goes to
see a movie, which is like they want her to
be distracted, yes, and relax right, which seems hard. I mean,
so in the theater watching the movie, the usher finds
her no and is like, they meet you at the
hospital immediately, because when she left, he was like, probably stable, right,

(01:08:56):
Jesus Man. So Joshua's heart had begun racing a few
hours after Janine took over his care. That day, doctors
weren't able to help him, and he died the following
day after suffering two more cardiac arrests. She was also
on duty at the time. Wait, she was on duty again,

(01:09:17):
so like the next day at the time of the
death as well, and blood tests done between his cardiac
episodes that were overlooked showed more than three times the
therapeutic level of dilantin in his system three times, so
the hospital started private searches finally to determine if Gene
which I think she was called Gene, also was killing patients.

(01:09:38):
So between May and December of eighty one, the last
of the hospital's internal inquiries found ten children in the
ICU had died after quote sudden and unexplained complications. In
all ten cases. Jeanine Jones was present at the child's
bedside during what the report gently terms the final events.

(01:10:00):
So instead of okay, but the hospital was in the
middle of a public relations campaign designed to makeover its image,
and so it didn't tell the police of the findings.
Oh uh huh, which were that near the findings, children
were twenty five point five times more likely to suffer
a medical emergency and ten point seven times more likely

(01:10:21):
to die during her shift. Fuck yeah, tell somebody, dude.
Alert the fucking media. Actually, I feel like the media
is a great place to turn when no one will
fucking listen to you for sure, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Especially independently owned a rolling stone if you will. I
don't know if that's that's the end of Firestarter, when
they're like running, running, running from the government and the
black ops and the you know, men in black and
all that, and they finally like the dad is killed.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Anyway, I haven't seen it, so I read it. I
read it when I was like thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
I was obsessed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
They gave me nightmares when I read it, and I
was like probably the same age as you. Very end,
like they put the story of all of it into
an envelope and drop it off at Rolling Stone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
That's the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
It made me so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yeah, I got Okay, that's when I was watching The Keepers.
I was like, you know, they start talking to a
journalist and it's like, no one will listen to you.
Bring all your evidence to like some badass investigative journalists.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
How about that fucking journalist By the way, I love
that man so much from The Keepers. He is a genius.
They are so important. Yeah, they're amazing, and there's a
resurgence of them now that we all realize that journalism
is very important. Oops. We need them, yes badly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
So instead of letting everyone know in March of eighty two,
they're all like, all right, you know what we're gonna do.
Instead of telling anyone about Janine, We're going to take
all of those nurses that are on the ICU and
upgrade them to nursing staff so they all get the
fuck out of there, all right. They take all of them.

(01:11:53):
They say they're upgrading to nursing staffs to only be
registered nurses in that section, and they kick all of
them out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Okay, all the nurses.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Who were there get kicked the fuck out Yeah, they
offered them jobs and other parts of it, but this
is the way to to just not fire her. And
all of those nurses, including Janine, were given good recommendations.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Giving them a proof that it was her.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Well, they went through this whole thing, and I think
they did, but they were just like, didn't want to
have a pr thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
This is very much how the Catholic Church would have acted.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yeah, right, just move them around and move them around,
put them somewhere that they're not around children anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Like, yeah, it's somebody else's problem.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Yeah, Okay. In her recommendation letter, she was described as loyal, dependable,
and trustworthy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
So five months later, she takes a job with a pediatrician,
doctor Kathleen Holland in Kerrville, Caraville, probably Kurveville because it's
bill k e r r v l E Curvill.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
This is the part in the live shows where they
would start screaming at us, all in us and we
wouldn't understand a single fucking word. So in a period
of thirty one days as she's working there, seven patients
in eight separate medical emergencies how to be taken to
the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
In a month, h Yeah, Yeah, because here's the thing,
it's such an obsession for I'm assuming she she knows
like this is a way smaller like playing field, you'll
it'll be so much more.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Obviously she does it anyway, she can't not do it. Yeah,
it's so crazy. Well, you know, is it the thing
of like what is the thing? Does she want to
look like a hero? Is she does she have? Yeah,
she wants to save the day. It seems like a lot,
which is a lot of the reason they do that.
Most people do that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I believe that's what it is. It's like they it's
a right, it's so that they were writtenaming some things.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
It's that it's putting the quote putting them out of
their misery when it's like older people, which isn't true
because this other dude I was looking up just killed
like people who came in for like a broken arm
or some shit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Yeah, I don't believe the putting in your misery because
I did that British doctor I can't remember, but he
did this thing, and it was people who were not
in misery, right, there was nothing wrong with them. Yeah,
he would just liked killing people. He liked the control.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
And actually you brought up Misery and Firestarter.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
It's said that this one Jeanine is one of the
what Stephen King wrote Misery when he wrote Amy Bates.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
No, Kathy Bates is the actress Annie. I can't remember
the character. That's one of my favorite movies. It's so good.
We need to watch. It's so horrifying. It's She's the
scariest fucking thing in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
She went an Emmy oscar whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
She shot one book man, she should have swept, she
should have gotten it. What is it called the glad
or it's no? What's not? I didn't mean you know
what I mean? Listen the Tony's Yeah, But what's it
called in thirty Rock?

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
When you went all of them, you got yeah, the
Egoch Bubba's thirty Rock. Well, this is like, bitch, get
your shit together, my mom, Okay, okay, takes a job
thirty one days, seven patients. The doctor in the office
then discovered puncture marks in a bottle of here we
Go psychonol, psychonal chlorine cychonal chlorine second in the drug

(01:15:13):
storage where only she and Jones had access and contents
of the apparently full bottle. Bottle was supposed to be
full later found to be diluted. So basically, she's a
teenager taking the vodka bottle and fucking out of the freezer.
Does this you there's some story of like that some
roommate was like some girl at her roommate took her
vodka bottle that fell out of the fridge and broke No, no, no,

(01:15:37):
the vodka was frozen, which it doesn't do, which means
it was always water at that point.

Speaker 6 (01:15:43):
There, It is something ridiculous. Yeah, that's the bust. Yeah,
So basically she's a monster. So the drug, which I
refuse to say again, is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
A powerful paralytic that causes temporary paralysis of all skeletal
muscles as well as those that control breathing, so a
patient can't breathe while under the influence, and small children
cardiac arrest is the ultimate result due to lack of respiration.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
One of those children at this location was Chelsea McClelland.
She died on September seventeenth, nineteen eighty two. She was
a fifteen month old. She went into a respiratory failure
after Jones injected her. Was supposed to be routine immunizations,
So you go in to get like cholera, whatever the
fuck they immune you for. Yeah, and chuck, she fucking

(01:16:32):
dies a powerful it's usually used as general anesthesia for
surgical patients. So she's charged with Chelsea's murder, but the
prosecutors decided not to file charges against her in the
death of any of the children she was expected of
killing because they thought that the ninety nine year sentence
that she got she was found guilty nine nine years
cents plus. She also got a sixty year sentence for

(01:16:56):
giving a four week old Rolando Santos a large dose
of the blood than her heparin, but he survived, but
he got She had another sixty years and in nineteen
eighty four, and they were like, well, she'll never get out,
so we don't really need to prosecute her for anymore people.
She'll be in jail for the rest of her life, right, Yeah, nope, no, no,
all right, So today's what the thirtieth We decided today

(01:17:19):
is the thirtieth. Okay, that's the truth. So on Oh yeah,
I mean I guess you know what I mean. We
decide now, we decide. No, we didn't tell you. On
May twenty fifth of twenty eighteen, so a year from
basically a couple of days ago.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
She's sixty six years old.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
She's supposed to be eligible, she's been eligible, eligible for
paroles since eighty nine, but is repeatedly denied because she's
a monster.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
But she's going.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
She was said to be released from prison after serving
one third of her sentence, So in a year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Wow, Yeah, and it's because.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
We here we go again with good behavior Texas had.
Texas created a law called time, the good Time law,
which is which is not a good time, probably for
the victims, which was created to combat prison overcrowding, allows
inmates convicted of a violent of violent crimes between seventy

(01:18:13):
seven and eighty seven to be released if they have
a record of good behavior. Like let the dude who
got caught with some pot go.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Yeah, that's just it, you know, it's that's just it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
You had meth in your pocket that you were using.
It wasn't enough to sell.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Who fuck let them out?

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Who cares? Right compared to the people who clearly have
a mental illness compulsion to what do you exact bodily harm? Yeah,
on their fellow man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Who have no empathetic tendencies whatsoever. Who if you're I'm sorry,
But if you're over the age of twenty one and
you commit murder, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
You've thought this through in some point.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
It's you know you're not going The rehab thing is
so hard to think when it's people who murdered, systematically
murder people in cold blood and systematically murdered infants that
you were in charge of. That your nurse, it's part
of your I don't know if nurses taken oath or
that they's a part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
It's part of going. I'm a medical worker. I'm going
to act like I'm going to stand in family member
watching your child while your child is at the most
vulnerable point it could possibly be.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
It's almost Yeah, it should be worse when you agree
or you are supposed to be taking care of someone
or making them live.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Because the thing is, we know she's been in jail
safe for thirty years or whatever it is. She gets
out of jail, that thing that she has has in
probably no way been addressed of I need to be.
It's just her life is dedicated to making just like
serial killers, they kill, that's what they do. They have

(01:19:56):
to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
And then it's that charge you have to be a
charming and pipulator to get away with this thing for
so long that I don't care how much therapy you've
had in prison. You're a charming manipulator. You're not going
to fucking exercise that out of someone, right, I don't
care how good of a therapist you are.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah, yeah, and I don't care. And I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Maybe you're better, maybe you're not like that anymore. You
fucking still have to pay for the crime you committed. Yeah,
I don't care if you're fucking saint.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Well. And also it's the thing of trying to get
things because there's so much backlog in its system. They're
just trying to get things moved through. But it's like,
you know, and hopefully this when like they come upon
this for like the parole board or whatever, that's taken
into consideration. This isn't a person that just like accidentally

(01:20:42):
hits somebody with her car or intentionally hit somebody with
her car in a crime of passion, well, a person
who's systematically murdered babies.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
It's also that thing of like, uh, yeah, so the
parole board said no because they looked at the evidence
and realized time and time again that she shouldn't be out.
What is the point of our judicial system who gave
her ninety nine years for this horrible crime, if you're
just going to override it, you know, like it makes

(01:21:10):
people not as scared to commit crimes because it's listen, hey, listen, listen,
look and listen, listen. Look there we go. Da da
da da dah. Okay, so good behavior. Because because of this,

(01:21:31):
Brexaw County prosecutors were like, how fucking now. A couple
of years ago, I think they found out about this.
They launched a secret investigation into her time as a nurse,
and when they realize that she's going to be released,
they believe that she may They estimate that she may
have killed as many as forty to sixty fuck suspicious

(01:21:54):
deaths under her watch. She killed your grammar school class
of job. I'd see three kids in my class, okay,
So okay, I thought you meant in your not in
your own class, but like in multiple classes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
No, no, no, in like grammar school. I'm just thinking,
like our sixth grade class had sixty three kids. Yeah,
it would be as if she went through and systematically
secretly poisoned every.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Single one of them Jesus Christ as babies, as babies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
I'm trying to put out there. I'm to pa put
a metaphor out there that only I can relate to you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
No, that's a good one, because I wouldn't have known
what to do, like what to say, like they killed
the amount of people who were at the pool yesterday.
Like no, but that doesn't make any sense. You're right, right, yeah, okay?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
So on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
So on May twenty fifth, a couple fucking days ago.
So twenty seventeen, Brexar County District's Attorney's office announced that
she had been charged in the eighty one death of
eleven month old Joshua Sawyer, the kid who got killed
because his house burned down. So they went back to
that poor kid and charged she charged her. So I

(01:23:01):
think she's just going straight to the other county. They're
just basically transferring her to another prison, and she's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Not getting out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
So she would have gotten out and she won't. So
District Attorney Sam D. Millsap Junior.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Oh, Ronnie's nephew is that well, it's a deep cut
for all the middle aged people. Ronnie Millsup is a
country singer. Nope, Oh, you told.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Me about him, No I have who's the guy that
you told me about who was in Mickey Gilly? Yeah,
who was in the show? We like all Fargo.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Mac Davis Okay, that's mac Davis. But actually same school,
ok same like class.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Someone some middle aged is losing his mind right now.
Yeah that you said that perhaps Ronnie Millsap himself. Maybe
Ronnie Millsop was blind. That's something we could look up.
But why, I mean, why do we're not worried about
facts right now? This isn't a fucking country music podcat listen, sorry,

(01:24:01):
start your own podcast about music if you really want
to know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
There's god damn interested in his life.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
So he this dude, Milsap Junior. He's six months into
an investigation of the county Bexar County Hospital which is
now called but but nope, Okay, which is now called
University Hospital of San Antonio. And everyone's like I went there,

(01:24:27):
so they changed their fucking name.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Yes, smart move. So he is looking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Into why no one stopped all of these so like
holding them accountable?

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Thank god.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Yes, he says he's focusing his criminal investigation not only
on Jeanine but also on the hospital for its in actions.
So josh Sawyer's death a sweet kid. One of the
reasons they're able to prosecute it now and why they
have such strong evidence, is because Joshua's mother kept her
son's and medical records for more than three decades and

(01:24:59):
she said, it's all I had left of Joshua. She
said everything else was destroyed in the fire.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Oh no, I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
That gets me so bad, so sad, it's so goddamn
sad she has She walks away from that hospital with nothing,
and so she keeps these records and they probably didn't
have them anymore, you know how those records things.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Go exactly right. And also it's just that fucking hospital
put their own image above human life, which is the
opposite reason to have a hospital. And it's somehow so
much worse that it was children. Children. Yeah, it's almost worse.

(01:25:42):
I mean, no one is better than the next, but
it's so heartless.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
It's well, they just have no They couldn't even fight.
It's not like somebody they could go, what are you,
why are you putting that needle in my arm or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
It's just like I don't see they can say, I
don't feel well something, you know, it's this thing of Yeah,
it could have been stopped at any time, had anyone
taken the time to do their job, which is to
protect the patients and not the hospital. It's like the
people who could have investigated what was going on there,
who worked there, it wasn't They didn't know in the hospital.

(01:26:14):
It's not like they needed to worry about the image
of the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Right. And also, I mean, it's a fucking hospital. It's
not like you just started a PR company. Yeah, people
are going to go to the hospital. They have to
still up a ladder, you have a blade of you know,
a knife in your arm, whatever it is. It's not
like you're like, oh, don't go to that hospital. I did,
they had some issues.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
I went to Hollywood Presbyterian because I needed help immediately
end that place. I don't want to talk shit out
of school and on a podcast, but that's what you're doing.
That's what I'm doing. All I'm going to say is
don't go there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Bad News very is that the one that's on Western.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Yeah, No, Vermont Vermont on Vermont, Yeah, down by the Wendy's, right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Yeah, across from the Wendy's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Wow, that everything is shut up, Stephen. That's what That's
how I measure all things. How close to the twenties. Yes,
that's the closest one, but I knew immediately. Yes, yeah,
so you do that too. I mean, there's nothing worse
when you're in like when you're in a bad spot.
And it's so weird because having a nurse mom growing up,

(01:27:20):
when we would have to go was like my mom
worked for Kaiser, so we just always go to a Kaiser. Yeah,
like the the We never didn't have insurance, we never
didn't have coverage, all of that stuff. And my mom
used to harp on me when I didn't have insurance
after they took me and my sister off there for
like your adults get your own and I didn't, of course,
and then she'd be like, you have to get insurance

(01:27:42):
and I'd just be like what for why? Well, then
when I had my seizures, I didn't have insurance and
I went to Harbor UCLA in Torrance, and it was
horrifying when you you don't want to go to a
counting hospital without your insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Well, look and listen, they're in they're our neighborhoods. That Hollywood.
You know, Western and fucking Fountain is not the center
of Beverly.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Hills and all the bad shit that happens in that neighborhood.
People just get dumb by this hospital. It's not that
they're bad people. It's not that the people that work
there aren't talented. Yeah, it's that they're the ones that
are like almost like it's front line style where they're
just seeing tons of stuff all the time. It's rough.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Listen Burbank Urgent Care shout out. Hey, So that's the
story of Janine Jones. She's the angel of death.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Thank god they fucking swooped right in, right in time
and kept her off the streets because you know, like, yeah,
they'd be like, you can't be in their children, but
that shit falls through the cracks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
Also, then she just is going to do something. She's
going to like start this is my theory. But she
would then start driving for meals on wheels and suddenly people,
you know what I mean, she would She doesn't mean
it's poison people to death, Oh my gosh. She would
just go do it some other way because it's a
compulsion that hasn't been dressed, i'm sure, or fixed in
her in any way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
I wonder where it came from, because it feels like
they's like maybe it's her brother's dying. Maybe it's when
she is little. I mean, there has to be.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
And she was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Married and had two children. Yeah, I got to mention that, like,
so she had babies at one point.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, something happened like in her life
because aside from a mental illness obviously when it's I've
read a lot more about less about angels of death
because they just I find that they're so straightforward that
it's like, oh, yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
The other one I was just like, I don't know
if I can do that. It's just kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
It's just plain sad. But it's interesting because it's very
similar to the munchauses by proxy where and that's the
real one, where oftentimes it's mothers poisoning their children, and
there they get so much out of doctors and staff
members and everybody worrying about them, pitying them. They become

(01:29:58):
the focus of the attend people.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
The thing too, is that she was saying that her first,
the first patient she ever had, I see you as
an infant who died on her watch and it broke
her heart. But I wonder either she killed that infant
or the attention she got when that happened, having been
this child's nurse at the time was so fulfilling that
she couldn't stop because maybe, you know, she had just

(01:30:22):
been a perfectionist before that, or maybe she had just
you know, it's the thing of how people some people
love having the approval of people who above them. They're
you know, so like the doctors and our ends were
like commending her for how she dealt with it and
comforting her, com hurting her. Yeah, yeah, it's so fascinating.
You see that horrible video, and they put a video.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
Camera hidden in No, don't want to well, I can't
say the word slowly. No, I can stop you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
I'm not gonna say it. Kid survived, The kid survives.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
Is it a babysitter that abuses the child? No, it's fine.
I can see. I can still see in my head
and it's me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Too, And I can't watch that. No. A father. They
put a video camera in there because they knew something
was going on in the hospital, in the hospital room
where the little girl was sick. He puts his body
on top of hers and tries to like stop her
from breathing, and a nurse rushes in and catches him
and he gets arrested and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:18):
Because he had Munchausen's, Yeah, he was making her. He's
trying to smother her. Yeah, holy shit, I'm sorry you crying? No, no, no,
why not? I can did you have no? I used
it all up on that. The idea of that the
only thing you have left of your child is medical records.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
It's just like, I know, but how triumphant for her?

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Will think fucking god? Yeah, because then it's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Half those podcasts we listen to that are like investigative reporting,
is them trying to get whatever basic medical records or
crime records. What are they that they can't that no
one will give them? That's all of the keepers. Is
them going, I'm sorry, how do you not have these
records anymore? How do they not exist anymore? There's a
lot of floods and basements of police stations, so much flooding.

(01:32:07):
There's a flooding is a what's it called? It's a
common problem, yeah, or it's an epidemic.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Anyways, Well, wow, that was great.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
That's been two hours of my favorite murder Wow, Really
I don't know. Oh yeah, so because that was horrible
And actually I did not think this through of what
my thing was from this week.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Yeah you go first.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
No, okay, I said you had one. I do, and
I didn't think it through. Totally didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I met my friend's brand new baby yesterday. I swear
to god, I didn't do that on purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
And for a minute I thought I had done a
different murder. I was doing a different murder. Oh my god, yeah,
curtain lord. I didn't go because I was sick.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Oh I would have passed harassed you in coming.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Oh no, I meann't be a brand of baby and
have this disgusting coughed on the babies.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
So I went to my friend current Lauren's house yesterday.
They have the Wedlock podcast an audible. It's great. Everyone listened.
And this baby, it's like two months old, and it's
so weird to see your friend's face in a baby,
and I kind of and the baby's laughing with me.
And this baby is so chill and sweet and has

(01:33:22):
he's like dark gray blue eye. I mean, she's darling.
Her name's Olive. And I was for a moment like me,
So I turned to Vince and I said, a dog
or a baby.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Pick one. So we're gonna get a dog. That's exactly
why you should make decisions like that. Oh yeah, nice ultimatums.
Yeah you can get a dog with blue eyes. I
can get a baby dog. Yeah that's right. Oh that's awesome. Yeah,
what's yours? I can't wait to see that baby. Oh cutie.
I mean we did mention it, I guess I will

(01:33:56):
say this. We did mention it very briefly on the
minisode that you and I went to a therapy session together,
And I had to say, it just made me. First
of all, it made me so happy because we both
know how to be in therapy, so we cut to
the chase really fast of just like this is what
we need, we have to like do whatever. But it
made me feel so fucking mature and like like we're not.

(01:34:20):
It's not like there's a problem we have. We're trying
to prevent a problem because we are in a very
we're in rare air. No, we can't go to anybody
that got and go, hey, have you ever gone through
this before? Because no one that I know has in
this specific way, and we basically we of course we
have Stephen, but we just have each other.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
We've argued in front of Stephen before, sweetly with his
face pretending to write stech.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Where we just it's just as it was. It just
felt like such a like we were just getting at
the problem without being We were just like, let's solve this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
And we both are self aware enough to know that
we have fucking issue.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
That make us hard, both of us hard. I know
makes me a hard person to deal with. Same here,
and I am aware of that and totally okay with that. Yeah,
and I want nothing more than to be a better
person yeah and improve myself.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
So instead of it feeling like, oh, we had to
go to therapy, it felt like, now we're going to
do this really smart thing, so like hand in hand
to help to make sure that we don't wreck because
my thing is just like, there's been so many things
where I've just been like fuck this and walked away
because it was too I couldn't communicate with the person.
It was too hard, it was too infuriating. And I've

(01:35:33):
done it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
I've done it and I haven't walked away, and I
have serious issues from that and I don't want to
go through that again. I'm older and wiser. And the
thing that I really love about both of us is
that I could well, and I could say, and you
could say we should go to therapy, and it wasn't
an insult, and it wasn't cutting you down or cutting
me down. It was just And it's the same thing
with couples. It's a couple's relationship with therapy exactly. It's like,

(01:35:57):
let's do this before it gets fucking horrible, and we
have to backtrack for years.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Because it's just such a fascinating thing. First of all,
I'm deeply in love with our therapists. It was like
a soap opera star came to be our therapist, like
he's beautiful. And then he would just go like we'd
start talking and I could hear us telling the story
that we told it to each other the way, like
here's how this story goes, and he go, I'm gonna

(01:36:23):
stop you first, okay, And then instead of talking about
the plot line, we would have to talk about the
feelings that the actions brought up, which is what I
hate and what I always get called on in therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
The actions don't matter exactly right, It's what you were
feeling when you were doing them and what it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Brings out in you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
He's making you share yours, so you are understanding your feelings,
but what are you surely doing is and making you
explain them to me and me explaining them to you,
which totally helps.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
So there was like genuine revelations where I was like,
oh shit, like we would have never talked about this
while we were having a fight about this other thing,
where it's like, I just appreciate it if you do
this thing or whatever, and instead what we're just doing,
we're learning our backstories so that we can go, oh,
this is that thing she does.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
And so the next time we get if I do
this thing, this is why she's responding to me this way.
And you know what I love and I hate when
they do this is, well, you start telling them you're feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Tell her like you're supposed to turn to me and
tell me, and I'm like, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
He didn't make us do that. No he didn't, which
I appreciate. I'm sure he will eventually, but I think
he knows right now it's too hard to do that well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
And also because we kind of were that's all. Yeah,
I guess the part I loved is you are such
a good partner in that way, where like when we
were talking about this stuff, at no point was there
any shutdown, was there any It was just like we
started to be like, well, this is the this is
what you know I'm worried about, or this is whatever,
like this is the bad pattern we're in, and we

(01:37:46):
both brought it together.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
And both of us were like, oh, yeah, I can
understand that. Yeah, because we've both been in therapy for
so long. There's no like both and I've been in
couple's therapy, Like I understand how it's supposed to work right,
which is great, And there's no reason be like that's
not true because that's and he said at the end
of which we should tell people of this the Beast,
which this fucking changed my thought process so much.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
You need too.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
I'm gonna say it wrong, you say it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
He said. We can stop thinking about these things in
terms of true, right or wrong and start thinking of
them in terms of true for Georgia, true for care.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Yeah, so what you think is right is just your
truth and it doesn't mean you're right or.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Wrong or like that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
We can just practice moving It was true for you,
it sounds so like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Not like we were having these huge problems. Yeah, it's
like we would get we would everything would be great,
and then we'd try to discuss one area. Yeah, and
so we were like, let's fix the area before the
area becomes spreads to the rest of everything else we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
It's like getting a bikini waxe, preemptive bikini wax.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Before it gets down to your knees, or you have.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
To go to the pool the next day and you're like,
why didn't I get a bikini wax. So you try
to do it yourself and your legs are red, yeah,
and grown hairs all over the place. Now you've got
to get some Russian lady to do it for you.
Oh yeah at Burke Williams.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Yeah, guys, guys, that was an overshare for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
No way, there's no such thing. All right, Well, thanks
for listening. The overshare was the bikini wax or the therapy? No,
just I don't know, no, no, okay, wait, I think
the bikini wax was an overshare, Oh okay, but not
the I thought it was a good metaphor. I think so,
I think for you. Thank you, thank you guys for listening.
You're all fucking sweet baby angels.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
Thanks for your support, all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Elvis, you want a cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
Okay, bye bye, Okay. I think I had someone in here.