May 12, 2025 • 23 mins
This week’s hometowns include a Cara Knott legacy story and a real estate meeting with Robert Durst.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello and welcome my favorite murder the Miniso.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You read you any kind of story you send us.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You should see the shit we're looking.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh my god, you should see the shit we don't use.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh you should see the stories that go on for
four pages about your grandma's clam chowder.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Make it three pages and we'll read it.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's all we ask. Yes, you want to go first? Sure?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, this one's called Mike Kara not legacy story. A
Hoy hoy to the lovely people of the fuck Word
Murder Mystery Show. Hey, longtime listener, longtime writer. Eventually one
of these will make it onto the show. Could this
be the one? Let's find out it's happening. What When
I was listening to episode four seventy four, it cleans duck.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I was so struck by George's telling of the story
of the tragic murder of Kara, not in the lasting
legacy her family worked to protect. Then I realized that
her lasting legacy goes far beyond the memorial garden her
father puts so much work into. Remember the story where
she was parked at the It was the cop.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, alkoholm Yeah, I'm a local prosecutor, and despite gains
made by women in the legal field, it's still a
bit of a good old boys club. Yeah, I mean,
that's wee knowing. That's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's getting worse.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I cannot tell you how many cases I've been assigned
to either file or prosecute that are sent in by
mail officers or filed by male colleagues where a woman
is charged with resisting law enforcement in a vehicle, which
is a felony. Here, the facts are always somewhat similar.
Late at night, a solo female driver driving a little
bit extra after the lights and sirens are activated to
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get to a gas station or other well lit place. Yeah,
then a completely compliant woman, and yet that extra tenth
of a mile means this goes from a ticket for
a broken tail light to a felony case. Every time
one of these cases hits my desk, I have the
same reaction dismissal. When I finally dismissed quote too many
(02:11):
of these cases, my supervisor and a very angry male
cop sat me down and asked why I kept doing this.
I explained that as women learning how to drive, we
are frequently taught never to pull over on a dark
road when we are alone. They scopped and said that
was preposterous. Women were safe to pull over anywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Would you like to listen to our podcast or any
of the other millions of true crime podcasts.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, filled with story safe nowheremen to do nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It is a fantasy men have that women live the
same lives as men.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right, and that just because they're not that kind of guy.
There aren't any of that kind of guys.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Sir, sir, sir, sit down.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I recounted the story of Kara not and how her
murderer was in fact a cop. You could tell it
was a story they had ever heard of before and
was something that surprised them. I told them I had
zero plans of changing my approach to these cases, but
maybe they should change theirs. Then I got up and
walked out good. I've seen very few cases like this since,
and I'd like to think I taught that smug cop
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a lesson stay sexy and don't pull over until you
are in a well lit place, but maybe put your
hazards on. Hannah she her.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So the idea that it's a felony is very good information,
because that's like the time I told the story of
like the cops tried to pull me over when I
was trying to get my drunk from a wedding and
it was like the hotel was right there, and like
I'm I just got to get her to the front door,
and they lost their minds. But I mean the idea
(03:44):
that we don't know that we're playing with fire to
keep ourselves safe or to keep somebody else safe where
It's like, why in God's name would that be a felony? Right?
What's the problem?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
They pulled over at the next exit. That's what you're
supposed to do. That we were all taught to do.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, But also why wouldn't cops get trained that, Like,
if it's a woman driving, pull her over at a
gastang like escort her to the place where there are
people in lights? What's the problem.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That's what Hannah is trying to fucking teach everyone, and
she's doing the Lord's work.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Good job, Hannah. Well, interestingly, my first email is from
a story I covered oh and the subject line is
I worked with Bruce MacArthur from episode four seventy five. Hi, Georgia,
Karen and everyone else. I am from a suburb of Toronto, Scarborough,
and I've had my fair share of Oh Paul Bernardo
lived in my parents' neighborhood, or my sister was friends
(04:39):
with the Happy Face Killer's son stories and then in
parentheses both true. But when I saw what Karen covered
in episode four seventy five, I knew exactly what I
needed to write in. When I was a pre teen,
I was offered a job that paid cash and that
allowed me to bring a friend to work with me.
It was a no brainer. My friend and I took
this job as Santa's elves for one of those pictures
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with Santa setups in a mall. It was one of
those malls there was one step ahead of a strip mall,
but one step below a cool mall hangout spot. I'm
talking a Walmart, a cell phone prom dress store. Oh god,
yes it is yep. Where there's like I've never heard
of that chain of stores. Where's that from?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Those are shiny shoes, the country of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, that's cool, nail salon, bunch of places with for
rent signs up. This Santa photo area was also less
than ideal. We took the pictures with a disposable camera
and yes, I, a thirteen year old, took the pics.
Oh god, this is very low rent, and we took
the film to develop at Walmart's one hour Photo Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
My god, BRB, I'm gonna go develop these pics now.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I kind of love the hustle of this, where it's
just like by any means necessary. Every day we would
go up to the mall management office to get into
our elf clothes, and Santa would be sitting there waiting
for showtime in his way tank top and Santa pants.
Super gross, bad Santa vibes. He was a nice enough guy,
but after a few weeks of working with him, I
could not shake the creepy feeling. It got to the
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point that I didn't come in to pick up my
last paycheck at the end of Christmas season. That's huge
for a kid, yes, it is. Fast forward to twenty seventeen.
I'm watching the news with my parents and I hear
that finally someone was arrested in relation to the missing
persons that Toronto police completely gas lit the city about.
But that's another story in the village. Imagine my heart
(06:30):
dropping and the blood draining from my face when the
face of Bruce MacArthur is plastered across the TV screen. Jesus,
all I could say was holy shit, Santa.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh God, that's so chilling.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I had no idea that my gut all those years
before had been right and this pos was a serial killer.
I want to acknowledge that. While I use the story
as what was your worst job? Icebreaker answer, innocent and
beautiful lives were lost. Scanda Navarata Bizier, Phasy Majid Kayan,
(07:04):
Sarushma Moodi, Krishna Kumar, Kanna Garatnam Dean, lyssawik selim Essen
and Andrew Kinsman. Thank you both for all you do
for allyship, mental health, and generally making my commutes more enjoyable.
Stay sexy, and don't take a job as an ELF
when you are far too young to get paid legally.
(07:26):
Hayley she her Wow, she worked with a serial killer.
That is wild. Also that thing of like. I think
the reason I enjoy stories like that of like and
then I saw a Face is because it proves your
gut is right. Absolutely. If you get a weird, bad feeling,
go get some frozen yogurt, get out of the place
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you're in.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Like. Don't you just wonder though, how many of those
there are that you never find out that your gut
was right, you know what I mean. They either never
got caught, or you just missed the story, or they
just they don't do anything that's like newsworthy but you're totally.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Right, or you get gas lit and a bunch of
people tell you you're just a bitch, where it's just like, well, Okay,
then I guess I have to be okay with that. Yeah,
because because I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, because this isn't right. Yeah, Okay, I'm not going
to read you the title of this one. Okay, it's
about her third grade pool party.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Okay, Hi, here goes.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
In third grade, I celebrated my birthday with a pool
party at my childhood home in Southwest Florida. Included on
my exclusive list of invitees was my elementary school quote
boyfriend Austin and his best friend Justin. It was kind
of an early crush where I basically did not speak
to Austin and instead got my friends to tell him
that I liked him, and so obviously we were dating.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
You mean, the way all first boyfriends are gotten.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Totally. After an afternoon of playing sharks and minnows in
the pool, we toweled off for presents. Birthday cake, my
grandma had made one of those Barbie doll cakes where
the cake was her dress, classic and ginger ale punch,
the kind with an entire block of Sherbet ice cream
floating in the punch bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
This is a very late seventies early eighties t Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I recall opening Austin's present and it was a set
of sequined earrings from Claire's That's the Boyfriend, one pair
for each day of the week. I had never received
jewelry from a and it says like man squiggly man
before and I was delighted. I'll be embarrassed at such
an obvious display of love. I then opened Justin's present,
(09:30):
that's the best Friend. Yeah, and he gave me all
caps a diamond gold necklace.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wait, what grade? Third grade?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The little babies? Oh oh, okay, it was probably not
real gold, and it was definitely cube be zirconia. But still,
I was newly nine years old and completely abashed that
my list of suitors had doubled in a single humid afternoon.
According to my mom's memory, Austin was mortified and upset,
and Justin was pretty smug. The fallout was what you'd expect.
(10:00):
Austin broke up with me via a past note shortly
after my birthday party. I think it was a combination
of his gift being upstaged and the fact that I
literally didn't talk to him. My first boyfriend, Eagle, we
never spoke. We kissed one set of truth or.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Dare Yeah, what are you supposed to talk about? Never?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And that the school year was almost over and he
wanted to be another Squiggly Mark single for the summer.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, that summer of third grade. That really changes your life.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I know what. I got to get myself back out
there single. Austin also stopped being friends with Justin. The
rumor mill in the cafeteria confirmed that it was like
the second time that school year that Justin tried to
steal Austin's girlfriend. Ew, the third grade is just an
episode of Love Island. Apparently I wasn't too heartbroken. Another
friend at my party had gifted me a CD with
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Sierra and Missy Elliott song One two Step, so I
was busy choreographing a dance in my free time. We
all eventually went to separate schools, and I hadn't thought
about Justin until my sophomore year of high school when
the local news reported on his arrest. That's the best friend.
At the age of seventeen, Justin was arrested and convicted
of a double homicide and armed robbery. Justin broke into
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the house of a fellow classmate, where he shot and
killed him and his mother. Justin stole a safe containing
cash and a gun from the house. After selling the
gun and pocketing the cash, he made a whopping three
hundred and seventy dollars. Absolutely disgusting and it gets worse.
A month or so prior to the murders, the mother
and son had allowed Justin to stay with them for
(11:32):
a couple days. When Justin was kicked out of his
house by his own mother following the murders, Justin then
expressed his condolences for them on a Facebook page, memorializing
their lives must be before he got caught. Yeah, absolutely disgusting,
But Justin is serving life in prison. Fuck him. Stay sexy,
and sometimes men display red flag behavior even in the
third grade.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Kelsey, Oh, Kelsey, Kelsey, God, that is uh yeah, the idea,
I mean, it's the thing I would say, just for
a little bit of money from the quote from.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Fargo where just like, what the fuck are you doing?
I'm out of comments about literally people just murdering other
people kind of for no reason.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, we've said it all in the past nine years.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's true. Well, let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Let's do it anyway, let's power through it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I'm not going to read you the subject line of
this because they tell me not to. It says high
title in all caps, okay, and it just starts. I
hope everyone is doing well. I've been a murderinger all
my life. I wrote my high school research paper on
so densely.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What if they don't mean to that densely?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Okay, how if they do, though, I hope everyone's doing well.
I've been a murder reino all my life. I wrote
my high school research paper on serial killers in nineteen
ninety five. It was my only a that semestery. Wait,
this is from Karen Kilgarrett's Crazy Remember.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
In school when you hated everything but what you were
interested in and they never realized that maybe it was
just that you were bored.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, you know, I actually told the story in the
kitchen the other day that my favorite thing in school
was reading aloud, and every time we do our podcast,
I'm like, your.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Job, it's happening, Yeah, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
To all that practice, and then it just says, okay,
I'll get started. Thank you. Back in twenty ten, I
was a new real estate agent living in Houston, Texas.
My broker sent me to show a potential buyer one
of her condo listings. It's a very nice building in
central Houston, so he typically wouldn't show the unit unless
the buyer was pre qualified. This individual claimed he would
(13:36):
be paying cash, so she made an exception. However, she
sent me because she didn't believe him. I right, lady, ma'am.
I arrived at the condo and met a normal looking
man who was probably in his late sixties or so.
I showed him the amenities and the unit. He was
an odd guy, but I got a kick out of
his quirkiness and even made him laugh once or twice.
(13:57):
That's the goal. The showing went well, and I went
back to the office to find my broker looking at
Google images of a man in a courtroom. She asked
me if it was him, and I said, yes, what
is this? Well it was Robert Durst. Holy shit, Ell
it was Robert Darst. It was Robert, the scariest man
(14:20):
on the face of the plane. Truly.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Okay, oh my god, black iris Robert Durst killing in
cold blood.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
The next line is I didn't recognize him because the
Jinks hadn't come out, and I'm not from Houston, so
I didn't know the Morris Black case. I was shocked.
I had just watched All Good Things, which is the
scripted movie about that relationship that he had, so I
knew who he was, but not what he looked like.
Fast forward to twenty fifteen when the Jinx comes out.
(14:50):
I've watched it several times since then, and I remember
the first time I saw the detectives interview his wife,
Debbie Shartan, because that was the voice on his outgoing voicemail.
My broker had me call him several times after the
showing to see if he was interested in making even.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Though it was still Robert Durst and they knew it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
They're like, come on, his money's green. You have that
money and a little but red with blood.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Okay, I mean, don't I know that's there?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Don't you know that a serial killer is going to
do some complaining and maybe some dishonest shit. His garbage
disposal was not broken, right.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You pay with cash? Are going to pay the rest
of some day? No, you're not very bodies in the walls.
That's all conjecture and allegations. Good.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I can't believe I was all alone with him and
shook his hand. It's unbelievable how we cross paths with
some people in life, and then it just says, yuck, Karen,
I love your life at the bootleg album. Oh my
dad wants to listen to the album on repeat every
road trip. And then it says, Rex says, Hi, all right, Hi, Rex,
(15:54):
that's so nice. Georgia. I think you're the coolest. I
still smile and laugh every time you ask Elvis if
he wants a cookie. It's the sweetest, most funny thing.
I wish Elvis could have met. Cookie. Thank you both
for everything you know. The list you guys really do
add so much joy. All the best, Erica.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Erica, thank you, Erica.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You brought a Robert Durst personal story.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You made Robert Durst laugh. That's what I would start
with at parties for real, Hey, who's the craziest person
you ever made laugh? Robert Durst?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Is it? Too trusonal lie to lies kill that game. Absolutely,
you made a maybe more than a sociopath, maybe a psychopath,
last a serial killer maybe yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Okay, actually last one. I'm not going to read you
the title.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Ola can't tell.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I've been listening to your podcast for years and always
wanted to write in I'm from Spain and here we
don't get any murders.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You're wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Have you heard of the Inquisition? The ones we get
are not Minnesota appropriate. They're convoluted and very dark.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh, I see same like the Inquisition, because I love
that you pulled out the Inquisition.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
When I heard this story, I knew my chance had
finally come. In April twenty twenty, a brown bear named
Ketchu Cchou Cashu Keshu Cashu was found dead at the
bottom of a ravine and the Pyrenees in northeastern Spain. Pyrenees, Yeah,
Pyrenees like the dog. Yes. It was first assumed that
the bear had died fighting another animal, but soon the
(17:32):
cause of death was revealed to be anti freeze poisoning.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Is this an RFK story?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Did you ever hear that story about RFK finding a
bear carcass and then taking it home for the meat.
This is not that okay.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Because bears are protected species here. Who knew they had
bears in Spain? I wouldn't have guessed that. The police
quickly opened an investigation on Katchow's death. A judge allowed
suspects phones to be wire tapped for a dead bear. Yes,
and in the process of finding the bear's killers, the
police stumbled upon a drug trafficking ring. It says yep.
(18:07):
They were smuggling cocaine paste from Columbia and refining it
at a lab in a nearby town. Ten people have
been arrested so far, including the mayor of a village
in the region, Jesus. As for Catcho, a forest ranger
and formal local government official were arrested for his murder
back in November. Some people are saying that to thank
investigators for their work in bringing him justice, Cashu led
(18:29):
them to this major drug bush. I like to imagine
him with little guardian angel wings, a guardian cocaine bear angel.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I don't know, Like they don't say exactly how it happened,
but Bear obviously was like hanging out at a fucking
meth lab.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Caught in the crossfair, I mean he could have been
the Spanish version of our cocaine Bear.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, but the anti freeze is like part of making
cutting the cocaine, probably right, Oh, is it?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's what makes cocaine so good.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It gives us those provescent bubbles. You just love it
so much, gotten baby ass for I hope you enjoyed
the story. I love your podcast. My friend Katie introduced
me when we first met three years ago, and it's
only one of the many things she's done to keep
me sane since she's a bad ass murderino who makes
me proud to be your friend every single day.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I hope to one day travel to the US so
that we can go to an MFM live show together.
Maybe we'll come there and we'll cover the Inquisition.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Oh my god, we just like entire inquisition. I think
it was okay a couple hundred years, four hundred starting here.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Karen and Georgia, you're the best company and anxious insomniac
could ever hope for. Thank you for everything you do.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Sspgm anna a graia sa lo ciento. I don't speak Spanish,
but man.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Cocaine Bear International Cocaine.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
If you've got a cocaine bear story from your city
or country. Okay, well, we're just going to keep the
hits coming. Okay, I'm not going to read it the
subject line Karen Georgia and the beloved MFM crew. Truly
beloved longtime listener here. I've been plotting to write in
some of my Santa Cruz murder lore for ages, but
after listening to episode four seventy five, I had to
(20:09):
pause everything and tell Karen Colon, Yes, I did see
Steve O at the Burbank Report.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
We got a Steve O story, Steva.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, it was twenty nineteen. I had just made it
through TSA and was heading toward my gate when here
comes STEVO casually walking through the terminal with his dog Wendy. Oh,
come on, that's the cutest Karen. He was wearing a hat,
but it was more of a Dad Trucker hat than
a classic skater hat. Just to set the record straight,
thank you. Although I don't know if I want to
(20:45):
get that into like, I'm not going to keep my
eye out for Steve Oh at all times.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Now, someday I'll just be sat on a plane next
to him and then for real, though.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
It's like the kind of thing where you like, I
didn't realize that I loved pistachios so much until I
was served up a big thing of pistachio gelato and
I'm like, this is my favorite flavor. That's my Stevo
sitting next to me.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I get it. I get it, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'm starting to feel like an absolute third grader about
talking about it this much. But then I'm also literally
the second time you've talked about it, so I think
we're good. I'm just saying, don't call him and tell them, okay,
it says, And yes it was Wendy, the sweet adorable
street dog. He rescued from Peru in twenty eighteen while
filming a web series. He found her living on the
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streets completely alone, and the two instantly bonded. He flew
her back to the US, gave her the dream dog life,
and even got her a pet pass war and then,
in parentheses, it says, which is kind of the cutest
sentence ever. In twenty nineteen, they were traveling everywhere together
for his bucket List tour. She went on stage with
him at comedy shows and was basically his vip co star.
(21:49):
Did you know that No.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I saw something about him finding the dog, but not
very sweet.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
He looked so happy and healthy, and it genuinely warmed
my heart. I grew up on Jackass, and seeing him
with the sweet pup, clearly thriving after everything he's been through,
was honestly kind of beautiful. It is anyway, this memory,
this memory has been living rent free in my brain.
And I knew y'all would appreciate the Steve O dog
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Dad content, stay sexy and always fly out of burbank Exo,
Sadie perfection, safetidy good one girl. Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Those were a great batch.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Thank you so much, So fun.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Send your story whatever it is to my favorite Murder
at Gmail.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Also, if you have a celebrity siding you would like
to tell us about that we've not talked about. We
love it, we don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, there was a stretch of celebrity siding stories that
were really good.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think it's because it was Colin Ferrell based and
then it kind of worked out from there. But I
think it's important to tell people it can be your
favorite celebrity. We will like how much you like it totally?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, that's all it is. And like how nervous you were,
or like how embarrassing it was, and then we need
a photo if you have one too.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
All those things. Yeah, okay, stay sexy, don't get murdered.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Good Elvis, do you want a cookie?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
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Speaker 2 (23:13):
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Speaker 1 (23:15):
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Speaker 2 (23:17):
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Hello and welcome my favorite murder the Miniso.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
You read you any kind of story you send us.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You should see the shit we're looking.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh my god, you should see the shit we don't use.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh you should see the stories that go on for
four pages about your grandma's clam chowder.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Make it three pages and we'll read it.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's all we ask. Yes, you want to go first? Sure?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, this one's called Mike Kara not legacy story. A
Hoy hoy to the lovely people of the fuck Word
Murder Mystery Show. Hey, longtime listener, longtime writer. Eventually one
of these will make it onto the show. Could this
be the one? Let's find out it's happening. What When
I was listening to episode four seventy four, it cleans duck.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I was so struck by George's telling of the story
of the tragic murder of Kara, not in the lasting
legacy her family worked to protect. Then I realized that
her lasting legacy goes far beyond the memorial garden her
father puts so much work into. Remember the story where
she was parked at the It was the cop.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah in San Diego.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, alkoholm Yeah, I'm a local prosecutor, and despite gains
made by women in the legal field, it's still a
bit of a good old boys club. Yeah, I mean,
that's wee knowing. That's everywhere.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's getting worse.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I cannot tell you how many cases I've been assigned
to either file or prosecute that are sent in by
mail officers or filed by male colleagues where a woman
is charged with resisting law enforcement in a vehicle, which
is a felony. Here, the facts are always somewhat similar.
Late at night, a solo female driver driving a little
bit extra after the lights and sirens are activated to
(01:51):
get to a gas station or other well lit place. Yeah,
then a completely compliant woman, and yet that extra tenth
of a mile means this goes from a ticket for
a broken tail light to a felony case. Every time
one of these cases hits my desk, I have the
same reaction dismissal. When I finally dismissed quote too many
(02:11):
of these cases, my supervisor and a very angry male
cop sat me down and asked why I kept doing this.
I explained that as women learning how to drive, we
are frequently taught never to pull over on a dark
road when we are alone. They scopped and said that
was preposterous. Women were safe to pull over anywhere.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Would you like to listen to our podcast or any
of the other millions of true crime podcasts.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, filled with story safe nowheremen to do nothing.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
It is a fantasy men have that women live the
same lives as men.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right, and that just because they're not that kind of guy.
There aren't any of that kind of guys.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Sir, sir, sir, sit down.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I recounted the story of Kara not and how her
murderer was in fact a cop. You could tell it
was a story they had ever heard of before and
was something that surprised them. I told them I had
zero plans of changing my approach to these cases, but
maybe they should change theirs. Then I got up and
walked out good. I've seen very few cases like this since,
and I'd like to think I taught that smug cop
(03:15):
a lesson stay sexy and don't pull over until you
are in a well lit place, but maybe put your
hazards on. Hannah she her.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So the idea that it's a felony is very good information,
because that's like the time I told the story of
like the cops tried to pull me over when I
was trying to get my drunk from a wedding and
it was like the hotel was right there, and like
I'm I just got to get her to the front door,
and they lost their minds. But I mean the idea
(03:44):
that we don't know that we're playing with fire to
keep ourselves safe or to keep somebody else safe where
It's like, why in God's name would that be a felony? Right?
What's the problem?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
They pulled over at the next exit. That's what you're
supposed to do. That we were all taught to do.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, But also why wouldn't cops get trained that, Like,
if it's a woman driving, pull her over at a
gastang like escort her to the place where there are
people in lights? What's the problem.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
That's what Hannah is trying to fucking teach everyone, and
she's doing the Lord's work.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Good job, Hannah. Well, interestingly, my first email is from
a story I covered oh and the subject line is
I worked with Bruce MacArthur from episode four seventy five. Hi, Georgia,
Karen and everyone else. I am from a suburb of Toronto, Scarborough,
and I've had my fair share of Oh Paul Bernardo
lived in my parents' neighborhood, or my sister was friends
(04:39):
with the Happy Face Killer's son stories and then in
parentheses both true. But when I saw what Karen covered
in episode four seventy five, I knew exactly what I
needed to write in. When I was a pre teen,
I was offered a job that paid cash and that
allowed me to bring a friend to work with me.
It was a no brainer. My friend and I took
this job as Santa's elves for one of those pictures
(05:02):
with Santa setups in a mall. It was one of
those malls there was one step ahead of a strip mall,
but one step below a cool mall hangout spot. I'm
talking a Walmart, a cell phone prom dress store. Oh god,
yes it is yep. Where there's like I've never heard
of that chain of stores. Where's that from?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Those are shiny shoes, the country of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, that's cool, nail salon, bunch of places with for
rent signs up. This Santa photo area was also less
than ideal. We took the pictures with a disposable camera
and yes, I, a thirteen year old, took the pics.
Oh god, this is very low rent, and we took
the film to develop at Walmart's one hour Photo Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
My god, BRB, I'm gonna go develop these pics now.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I kind of love the hustle of this, where it's
just like by any means necessary. Every day we would
go up to the mall management office to get into
our elf clothes, and Santa would be sitting there waiting
for showtime in his way tank top and Santa pants.
Super gross, bad Santa vibes. He was a nice enough guy,
but after a few weeks of working with him, I
could not shake the creepy feeling. It got to the
(06:09):
point that I didn't come in to pick up my
last paycheck at the end of Christmas season. That's huge
for a kid, yes, it is. Fast forward to twenty seventeen.
I'm watching the news with my parents and I hear
that finally someone was arrested in relation to the missing
persons that Toronto police completely gas lit the city about.
But that's another story in the village. Imagine my heart
(06:30):
dropping and the blood draining from my face when the
face of Bruce MacArthur is plastered across the TV screen. Jesus,
all I could say was holy shit, Santa.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh God, that's so chilling.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I had no idea that my gut all those years
before had been right and this pos was a serial killer.
I want to acknowledge that. While I use the story
as what was your worst job? Icebreaker answer, innocent and
beautiful lives were lost. Scanda Navarata Bizier, Phasy Majid Kayan,
(07:04):
Sarushma Moodi, Krishna Kumar, Kanna Garatnam Dean, lyssawik selim Essen
and Andrew Kinsman. Thank you both for all you do
for allyship, mental health, and generally making my commutes more enjoyable.
Stay sexy, and don't take a job as an ELF
when you are far too young to get paid legally.
(07:26):
Hayley she her Wow, she worked with a serial killer.
That is wild. Also that thing of like. I think
the reason I enjoy stories like that of like and
then I saw a Face is because it proves your
gut is right. Absolutely. If you get a weird, bad feeling,
go get some frozen yogurt, get out of the place
(07:46):
you're in.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Like. Don't you just wonder though, how many of those
there are that you never find out that your gut
was right, you know what I mean. They either never
got caught, or you just missed the story, or they
just they don't do anything that's like newsworthy but you're totally.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Right, or you get gas lit and a bunch of
people tell you you're just a bitch, where it's just like, well, Okay,
then I guess I have to be okay with that. Yeah,
because because I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, because this isn't right. Yeah, Okay, I'm not going
to read you the title of this one. Okay, it's
about her third grade pool party.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Okay, Hi, here goes.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
In third grade, I celebrated my birthday with a pool
party at my childhood home in Southwest Florida. Included on
my exclusive list of invitees was my elementary school quote
boyfriend Austin and his best friend Justin. It was kind
of an early crush where I basically did not speak
to Austin and instead got my friends to tell him
that I liked him, and so obviously we were dating.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
You mean, the way all first boyfriends are gotten.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Totally. After an afternoon of playing sharks and minnows in
the pool, we toweled off for presents. Birthday cake, my
grandma had made one of those Barbie doll cakes where
the cake was her dress, classic and ginger ale punch,
the kind with an entire block of Sherbet ice cream
floating in the punch bowl.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
This is a very late seventies early eighties t Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I recall opening Austin's present and it was a set
of sequined earrings from Claire's That's the Boyfriend, one pair
for each day of the week. I had never received
jewelry from a and it says like man squiggly man
before and I was delighted. I'll be embarrassed at such
an obvious display of love. I then opened Justin's present,
(09:30):
that's the best Friend. Yeah, and he gave me all
caps a diamond gold necklace.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wait, what grade? Third grade?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The little babies? Oh oh, okay, it was probably not
real gold, and it was definitely cube be zirconia. But still,
I was newly nine years old and completely abashed that
my list of suitors had doubled in a single humid afternoon.
According to my mom's memory, Austin was mortified and upset,
and Justin was pretty smug. The fallout was what you'd expect.
(10:00):
Austin broke up with me via a past note shortly
after my birthday party. I think it was a combination
of his gift being upstaged and the fact that I
literally didn't talk to him. My first boyfriend, Eagle, we
never spoke. We kissed one set of truth or.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Dare Yeah, what are you supposed to talk about? Never?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And that the school year was almost over and he
wanted to be another Squiggly Mark single for the summer.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, that summer of third grade. That really changes your life.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I know what. I got to get myself back out
there single. Austin also stopped being friends with Justin. The
rumor mill in the cafeteria confirmed that it was like
the second time that school year that Justin tried to
steal Austin's girlfriend. Ew, the third grade is just an
episode of Love Island. Apparently I wasn't too heartbroken. Another
friend at my party had gifted me a CD with
(10:47):
Sierra and Missy Elliott song One two Step, so I
was busy choreographing a dance in my free time. We
all eventually went to separate schools, and I hadn't thought
about Justin until my sophomore year of high school when
the local news reported on his arrest. That's the best friend.
At the age of seventeen, Justin was arrested and convicted
of a double homicide and armed robbery. Justin broke into
(11:11):
the house of a fellow classmate, where he shot and
killed him and his mother. Justin stole a safe containing
cash and a gun from the house. After selling the
gun and pocketing the cash, he made a whopping three
hundred and seventy dollars. Absolutely disgusting and it gets worse.
A month or so prior to the murders, the mother
and son had allowed Justin to stay with them for
(11:32):
a couple days. When Justin was kicked out of his
house by his own mother following the murders, Justin then
expressed his condolences for them on a Facebook page, memorializing
their lives must be before he got caught. Yeah, absolutely disgusting,
But Justin is serving life in prison. Fuck him. Stay sexy,
and sometimes men display red flag behavior even in the
third grade.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Kelsey, Oh, Kelsey, Kelsey, God, that is uh yeah, the idea,
I mean, it's the thing I would say, just for
a little bit of money from the quote from.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Fargo where just like, what the fuck are you doing?
I'm out of comments about literally people just murdering other
people kind of for no reason.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, we've said it all in the past nine years.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It's true. Well, let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Let's do it anyway, let's power through it.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I'm not going to read you the subject line of
this because they tell me not to. It says high
title in all caps, okay, and it just starts. I
hope everyone is doing well. I've been a murderinger all
my life. I wrote my high school research paper on
so densely.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What if they don't mean to that densely?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Okay, how if they do, though, I hope everyone's doing well.
I've been a murder reino all my life. I wrote
my high school research paper on serial killers in nineteen
ninety five. It was my only a that semestery. Wait,
this is from Karen Kilgarrett's Crazy Remember.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
In school when you hated everything but what you were
interested in and they never realized that maybe it was
just that you were bored.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, you know, I actually told the story in the
kitchen the other day that my favorite thing in school
was reading aloud, and every time we do our podcast,
I'm like, your.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Job, it's happening, Yeah, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
To all that practice, and then it just says, okay,
I'll get started. Thank you. Back in twenty ten, I
was a new real estate agent living in Houston, Texas.
My broker sent me to show a potential buyer one
of her condo listings. It's a very nice building in
central Houston, so he typically wouldn't show the unit unless
the buyer was pre qualified. This individual claimed he would
(13:36):
be paying cash, so she made an exception. However, she
sent me because she didn't believe him. I right, lady, ma'am.
I arrived at the condo and met a normal looking
man who was probably in his late sixties or so.
I showed him the amenities and the unit. He was
an odd guy, but I got a kick out of
his quirkiness and even made him laugh once or twice.
(13:57):
That's the goal. The showing went well, and I went
back to the office to find my broker looking at
Google images of a man in a courtroom. She asked
me if it was him, and I said, yes, what
is this? Well it was Robert Durst. Holy shit, Ell
it was Robert Darst. It was Robert, the scariest man
(14:20):
on the face of the plane. Truly.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Okay, oh my god, black iris Robert Durst killing in
cold blood.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
The next line is I didn't recognize him because the
Jinks hadn't come out, and I'm not from Houston, so
I didn't know the Morris Black case. I was shocked.
I had just watched All Good Things, which is the
scripted movie about that relationship that he had, so I
knew who he was, but not what he looked like.
Fast forward to twenty fifteen when the Jinx comes out.
(14:50):
I've watched it several times since then, and I remember
the first time I saw the detectives interview his wife,
Debbie Shartan, because that was the voice on his outgoing voicemail.
My broker had me call him several times after the
showing to see if he was interested in making even.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Though it was still Robert Durst and they knew it.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
They're like, come on, his money's green. You have that
money and a little but red with blood.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Okay, I mean, don't I know that's there?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Don't you know that a serial killer is going to
do some complaining and maybe some dishonest shit. His garbage
disposal was not broken, right.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
You pay with cash? Are going to pay the rest
of some day? No, you're not very bodies in the walls.
That's all conjecture and allegations. Good.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I can't believe I was all alone with him and
shook his hand. It's unbelievable how we cross paths with
some people in life, and then it just says, yuck, Karen,
I love your life at the bootleg album. Oh my
dad wants to listen to the album on repeat every
road trip. And then it says, Rex says, Hi, all right, Hi, Rex,
(15:54):
that's so nice. Georgia. I think you're the coolest. I
still smile and laugh every time you ask Elvis if
he wants a cookie. It's the sweetest, most funny thing.
I wish Elvis could have met. Cookie. Thank you both
for everything you know. The list you guys really do
add so much joy. All the best, Erica.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Erica, thank you, Erica.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You brought a Robert Durst personal story.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You made Robert Durst laugh. That's what I would start
with at parties for real, Hey, who's the craziest person
you ever made laugh? Robert Durst?
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Is it? Too trusonal lie to lies kill that game. Absolutely,
you made a maybe more than a sociopath, maybe a psychopath,
last a serial killer maybe yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Okay, actually last one. I'm not going to read you
the title.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Ola can't tell.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I've been listening to your podcast for years and always
wanted to write in I'm from Spain and here we
don't get any murders.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You're wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Have you heard of the Inquisition? The ones we get
are not Minnesota appropriate. They're convoluted and very dark.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Oh, I see same like the Inquisition, because I love
that you pulled out the Inquisition.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
When I heard this story, I knew my chance had
finally come. In April twenty twenty, a brown bear named
Ketchu Cchou Cashu Keshu Cashu was found dead at the
bottom of a ravine and the Pyrenees in northeastern Spain. Pyrenees, Yeah,
Pyrenees like the dog. Yes. It was first assumed that
the bear had died fighting another animal, but soon the
(17:32):
cause of death was revealed to be anti freeze poisoning.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Is this an RFK story?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Did you ever hear that story about RFK finding a
bear carcass and then taking it home for the meat.
This is not that okay.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Because bears are protected species here. Who knew they had
bears in Spain? I wouldn't have guessed that. The police
quickly opened an investigation on Katchow's death. A judge allowed
suspects phones to be wire tapped for a dead bear. Yes,
and in the process of finding the bear's killers, the
police stumbled upon a drug trafficking ring. It says yep.
(18:07):
They were smuggling cocaine paste from Columbia and refining it
at a lab in a nearby town. Ten people have
been arrested so far, including the mayor of a village
in the region, Jesus. As for Catcho, a forest ranger
and formal local government official were arrested for his murder
back in November. Some people are saying that to thank
investigators for their work in bringing him justice, Cashu led
(18:29):
them to this major drug bush. I like to imagine
him with little guardian angel wings, a guardian cocaine bear angel.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I don't know, Like they don't say exactly how it happened,
but Bear obviously was like hanging out at a fucking
meth lab.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Caught in the crossfair, I mean he could have been
the Spanish version of our cocaine Bear.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, but the anti freeze is like part of making
cutting the cocaine, probably right, Oh, is it?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's what makes cocaine so good.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
It gives us those provescent bubbles. You just love it
so much, gotten baby ass for I hope you enjoyed
the story. I love your podcast. My friend Katie introduced
me when we first met three years ago, and it's
only one of the many things she's done to keep
me sane since she's a bad ass murderino who makes
me proud to be your friend every single day.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I hope to one day travel to the US so
that we can go to an MFM live show together.
Maybe we'll come there and we'll cover the Inquisition.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Oh my god, we just like entire inquisition. I think
it was okay a couple hundred years, four hundred starting here.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Karen and Georgia, you're the best company and anxious insomniac
could ever hope for. Thank you for everything you do.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Sspgm anna a graia sa lo ciento. I don't speak Spanish,
but man.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Cocaine Bear International Cocaine.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
If you've got a cocaine bear story from your city
or country. Okay, well, we're just going to keep the
hits coming. Okay, I'm not going to read it the
subject line Karen Georgia and the beloved MFM crew. Truly
beloved longtime listener here. I've been plotting to write in
some of my Santa Cruz murder lore for ages, but
after listening to episode four seventy five, I had to
(20:09):
pause everything and tell Karen Colon, Yes, I did see
Steve O at the Burbank Report.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
We got a Steve O story, Steva.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, it was twenty nineteen. I had just made it
through TSA and was heading toward my gate when here
comes STEVO casually walking through the terminal with his dog Wendy. Oh,
come on, that's the cutest Karen. He was wearing a hat,
but it was more of a Dad Trucker hat than
a classic skater hat. Just to set the record straight,
thank you. Although I don't know if I want to
(20:45):
get that into like, I'm not going to keep my
eye out for Steve Oh at all times.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Now, someday I'll just be sat on a plane next
to him and then for real, though.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
It's like the kind of thing where you like, I
didn't realize that I loved pistachios so much until I
was served up a big thing of pistachio gelato and
I'm like, this is my favorite flavor. That's my Stevo
sitting next to me.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I get it. I get it, okay, because.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'm starting to feel like an absolute third grader about
talking about it this much. But then I'm also literally
the second time you've talked about it, so I think
we're good. I'm just saying, don't call him and tell them, okay,
it says, And yes it was Wendy, the sweet adorable
street dog. He rescued from Peru in twenty eighteen while
filming a web series. He found her living on the
(21:29):
streets completely alone, and the two instantly bonded. He flew
her back to the US, gave her the dream dog life,
and even got her a pet pass war and then,
in parentheses, it says, which is kind of the cutest
sentence ever. In twenty nineteen, they were traveling everywhere together
for his bucket List tour. She went on stage with
him at comedy shows and was basically his vip co star.
(21:49):
Did you know that No.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I saw something about him finding the dog, but not
very sweet.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
He looked so happy and healthy, and it genuinely warmed
my heart. I grew up on Jackass, and seeing him
with the sweet pup, clearly thriving after everything he's been through,
was honestly kind of beautiful. It is anyway, this memory,
this memory has been living rent free in my brain.
And I knew y'all would appreciate the Steve O dog
(22:15):
Dad content, stay sexy and always fly out of burbank Exo,
Sadie perfection, safetidy good one girl. Thank you guys.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Those were a great batch.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Thank you so much, So fun.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Send your story whatever it is to my favorite Murder
at Gmail.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Also, if you have a celebrity siding you would like
to tell us about that we've not talked about. We
love it, we don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, there was a stretch of celebrity siding stories that
were really good.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think it's because it was Colin Ferrell based and
then it kind of worked out from there. But I
think it's important to tell people it can be your
favorite celebrity. We will like how much you like it totally?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, that's all it is. And like how nervous you were,
or like how embarrassing it was, and then we need
a photo if you have one too.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
All those things. Yeah, okay, stay sexy, don't get murdered.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Good Elvis, do you want a cookie?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
This has been an exactly right production.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Our senior producers are Alahundra Keck and Molly Smith.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Our editor is Aristotle las Veda.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
This episode was mixed by Leona Scolacci.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
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Speaker 2 (23:22):
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Speaker 1 (23:25):
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