August 14, 2024 • 53 mins
It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia!
This week, Karen and Georgia recap MFM Episode 6, give updates on the Terry King case and the Richardson family murders and reminisce about 2016.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hell, hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is the series where we re listened to our
favorite moments from our oldest episodes, exposing our flaws and
reflecting on how we got here.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's right, And we're also sharing important case updates and
getting you a little bit more context as to where
we were, who we were, what was happening in our
lives and your lives, the mindset, the cats that were
in the apartment.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
There was a lot of them, yeah, eight nine. So
today we're going back to episode six, which was released
on Tuesday, February twenty third, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So get your pen pal and the milk delivery person
and your local barista, because now we can all be
Day one listeners together.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So the equity and calling it a milk delivery person, right, yeah,
very see that that's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, twenty sixteen would have been milk man.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
You know, I've been a milkman, And no, you cannot
become a milkman, little girl.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Right yeah, yeah, there's no, there's no milkman, Barbie. So like,
how do I know if I can become a milk
delivery person when I grow up.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The funniest thing is, I don't think milkman exists anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I don't think so either. I've been in some well
small lass town.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, maybe a town with a dairy.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
My house is so old that it has a little
milk door, milk delivery door on it, and you open
it and there's like a little like what's it called dial,
There's like a dial and you can move the dial
to like how much milk you need. It's like one
nown two coouncer. And then it's like also eggs, Like
does an eggs? Isn't it like it says it on
the cream heavy cream. Yeah, you can point to all
(01:58):
of them. So when the milk delivery person gets there,
they don't They just open the door. See what you
want to put your order in your little milk delivery door.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's incredible. I know our next door neighbors growing up
used to get their milk delivered, yeah, on the farm,
and they had yeah, I think they just wanted the
freshest milk possible and they had like they just had
a little metal kind of camp on their porch. So
it went through at least until the eighties. Yeah, but
(02:27):
now it's just the milkman is a door dasher.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's right, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Because deep down everybody wants a milk delivery person.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
That's right. And all this and more. But we talked
like this in twenty sixteen. That's all. Go all the
way back to February twenty third, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So high, Hi, Karen, it's time once again did talk
about murder.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Welcome to my favorite murder.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Hi, Welcome. That was Georgia. That's Kart And we are
here to talk to you about the thing that you
want to talk about the most, because we do too.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Murder that your friends don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, when some people are fear based, and that's fine,
that's the way they live. They want to put their
hands over their eyes and pretend like it's reality. Isn't happening?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, But not us, friends, No, some of us want
to just like jump into the pool of terror.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So there's a old saying you have to go into
the mouth of the ghost. That's what we do here.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
We are the ghost Mouths.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Weird adventures into ghost mouths.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So suckond Did you see that the house from the
first season of American Horror Story, The Haunted House you
can now airbnb that house?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Can we record an episode from there?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Like, oh my god, that's amazing, that brick thing that
has like the turrets and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
It's like like a like a gothic Yeah, yeah, like
arts and crafts gothic.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Where where the guy from the Law show lived and
like they had the maid and stuff. Yes, yes, okay
that I liked that first season a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I had to choose spending the night there, middle of
the night, lights off, quiet, We'll do some ghosts hunting,
ghost stuff, ghostly stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Was there a murder taking place in there aside from
the TV show? I know no, just but it is
a creepy old house. Yeah, I'm into that. I mean
maybe the murder hasn't been found yet. We'll dig up
the yard. Maybe it'll happen that night somewhere nearby, like
in the dig up the yard. Yeah, just start digging
(04:47):
for bone looking burns.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
We haven't talked about my new favorite show, the O. J.
Simpson Show.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Love it. That's called The.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
People Versus O J.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Simpson. Thank you, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It is also one of my favorite choes.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
David Swimmer, Oh shwim stop it. You're breaking my heart.
Stop it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
What about when they were in Chinchin. The Kardashian family
went to Tinchin. That is so la if you don't listen,
Chinchin is a terrible Chinese chain or delicious, depending on
who you are.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I haven't heard of it since the nineties.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It is so nineties, Like it's where we used to
go when I moved here in nineteen ninety four. Really
all the time, that was the place everyone wanted to go.
It was like the Ivy yeah, but like but cheap
and in the valley yeah. And the idea that they
were like we cut the line in the hin.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Is oh my god, like this is where we want
to go because this is where like I went to
bought Mitzwaz of these kind of girls where it's like
we got to Chinge, like I went to camp. I
went to camp with the Fawns's daughter. Oh and so
they probably went to Chinchin, I bet.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Because they eat that Chinese chicken salad. Back then, everybody
thought it was diet. That's how the nineties were.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It's good. That show is great.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I love that it's going off the premise that he
totally did it well, yeah, because I know is the
thing he apso fucking leally, did he.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Really really did? Because that's the thing is, as we
discuss and find in all of these stories that we tell,
in cases that we talk about, things happen for a
for a reason, and be the people that do them
have histories of doing things. Oh yeah, and it's never
it's so strange that still the legal system treats these
things like it's out of the blue word. It's like, yes,
(06:25):
if a man consistently beats the ship at his wife,
that will escalate, that things escalate.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Well, you know what I think is really interesting is
that instead of looking into the history and why and
what happened exactly and what's the most obvious answer, the
answer is then to give them a defense attorney to
argue a fucking fantasy or like a fucking daydream that
they somehow didn't do it, and here is why maybe
(06:54):
it didn't happen, you know, or this way or that it's.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Like or just those huge distractions of life. Basically, they
were putting the lapd on trial, which they deserved because
the Rodney King riots had just you know, the Rocky
King beating had just happened, and.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's like so not even close to the same thing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But but the argument of a black man can't get
a fair trial, or like you know that the system
is against black people and black men specifically, was so
true and had never been really broached before. And I
remember white people being like that's crazy. Yeah, that's such
a bunch of crap, and it's like, how would you know.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Dude, Okay, Rodney King's trial took place in SeeMe Valley
with zero black people on the jury.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah. I think it was even all men. I mean
it was one woman.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No, it's bad Seem Valley, which is like the whitest
fucking place in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
With zero black people on the jury.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, anyways, no, yeah, not a jury of his peers
looking like just just crooked and bad all around. So
there is a kind of like it was a getback
in a way.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, it was absolutely itzy to watch.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
It, like that's right when I moved here, all that
stuff happened, and like we're living through it. I remember
being in I think it was Golden Apple Comics, and
they were like OJ's running the bronco is on the
highway and running up to our friend Laura's house and
everybody just gathering there and watching watching it on TV.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, I just remember when the I remember when the
British was about to be read. It was like, Okay,
everyone knows he's guilty, he should be he should be convicted.
Nobody wants another riot and that's we It was so
traumatizing the first riot.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, that it was like.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It wasn't worth it to see him be convicted because
that was fucking scary and no one wanted to go
through that again, right, So, and.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's almost all it would have happened.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, And it was almost a relief when he when
it was not guilty, because it was like, Okay, you
know what, Black people deserve this after what we fucking
put them through here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, well it's it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It's just weird though, because when you watch it, it's
such a fascinating thing, like watching them Marcia Clark and
her whole team acting like it's a slam dunk case
when you know what's really going to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Marcia Clark, what's her character from American Horror Story?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
She's incredible And Sarah Paulson, Yeah that, but her hair
is so distressed. I just all I can do is
think about how long it took to curl every piece
of that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh that was that a perm or was she like
you absolutely can't permit?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Or is it it must have been a wig? No one,
no one lets anybody perm their hair anymore. Yeah, do
they know? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
The sad thing, of course, is the murder victims that
just didn't get any recognition.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, it was not about them at all.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I just can never forget that. I never forgot the
quote that, like Nicole was almost decapitated. That's how deep
it Wasn't he slit her throat? She was almost decapitated.
He was like going berserk. Yeah, he cut into it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's so crazy, and like that idea of how they
started the whole thing with the dog with bloody feet,
totally walking up like the guy finding a dog.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
It's a good show.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's very good and then also insanely cheesy. It's so enjoyable.
Like John Travolta got a blessing.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
He is killing it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
He's my face. Do you think he was really like
that Robert Shapiro, Yeah, probably he didn't have blue eyes.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
It's really corny there's so many corny things. Every single
every single line that marciall Clark says is like cut
to commercial, Like she can't say a line without it
cutting to commercial.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
But the best was at the end of the last episode,
she just goes, motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I think it's the first motherfucker on TV?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right, I think? So it's effects right, So yeah, their
little edgy when she says motherfucker, which she says that
about Johnny Cochran. Yeah, he joined the team and he's
his story's right too. Oh it's everyone is Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Could I really just want to hug David Swimmer?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, because he's such a He's who knew that was it?
Robert Kardashian, who knew he was such a great guy,
who knew he was.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
A great guy?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That would spawn the literal devils like the Downfall.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
All those discussions where they're like, you can't it's not
about fame, right, I have to have a good heart.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, I keep thinking about his are his kids watching
him being like, fuck, my dad, I miss my dad.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Probably he's sad. It is he died like not too
long after that, which is so sad.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm sure. Can you imagine how stressful it would have
been to be that guy in that.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Situation, that guy knows his friend is guilty and has
to defend him.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
He also had to use the phrase uncle juice a lot,
which I think may have been the thing that killed him.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, that would be hard. Uncle juice. He's not the
real uncle. Oh Chris Jenner killing it?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Selma Blair got Ala Blair. Do you think she was like,
this is the end of my career? Or was she
stoked about it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, because you see all those other people on my cast.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That's true, that's true. I love this. They're great. Yeah,
all right, Oh, not stough.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
To talk about the fright that we're both watching autopsy?
But should we save that for yes?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I and that I actually somebody recommend. I'm sorry, I
don't have the name, because someone mentioned it to us
on the Twitter page. Oh yeah, and it was a
man and he said, oh, autopsy was amazing. I watched
all of it, and I went autopsy huh. And then
I looked it up and I had never seen it.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You had never heard of it or seen that.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think I may have heard of it, but I'd
never seen it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I had always just figured it and I think I
had like watched maybe one the wrong episode where like
he was literally just in an autopsy room cutting into
someone and talking and discussing it. Yeah, which I thought
the whole thing was like that. And No, it's like
it's like case stories from this crazy guy, like his
crazy corners passed and how he saw crimes based on
(12:53):
the autopsy.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And like the most and also they kind of fold
in like I've watched a couple now the last time.
The last when I was watching was number nine when
I texted you, because it's other people. They get other
corners in there too, because they're basically just getting all
the craziest stories. And I won't I won't give that
when away and just let people watch it. It's so good.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It's what I texted you. They opened up a guy.
Yes I should, I just say it. There's voodoo dolls inside.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Inside of bodies, Karen. I read that as inside of
his coffin. No, are you inside of his body?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's why I was so gonna go.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I'm gonna go cry.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I thought you meant like yeah, they they I thought
because I read it as I say, next to us,
but still that's fucked up.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Okay, And it.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Turned out the woman that ran the funeral home was
practiced voodoo. You got to see her too, you got it.
She is worth the entire episode, all right. She has
the best hair I've ever seen, and she's a badass,
and she's basically trying to get rid of all the
other funeral homes, like all our competitors, and do better financially.
So she made voodoo dolls for all of them, and
(14:11):
then so up inside this man's score.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
At what point in that whole operation, are you like,
I might be a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, this might not be a great idea.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, this could come back.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, what will this look like from the outside?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Just everyone, You can be as crazy as you want,
but act normal, yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Just try to step out for one second. I'd be like,
if someone discovers this, how crazy will I love?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Totally? That's good advice. I think that is too. So
everyone watch Autopsy.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Someone on Twitter suggested, or on our Facebook page we
have a Facebook group, my favorite Marty can someone suggested
that we just do a live up, or just do
an episode where we just watch an episode of Autopsy.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And just talk about it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That's a great idea I can watch along with us,
A very good idea.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, that's good. Yeah, you can go on because it's
on HBO go or HBO or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Apparently there's a lot of episodes on YouTube as well.
Oh good. Yeah, there's like you can find them everywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Love it. We're gonna have all kinds of event.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's also a little dated, which I fucking love when
I'm watching true crime. Shit, do you ever go back
and watch Forensic Files? Yoh yeah, it's like it's like
two thousand and two, which doesn't seem that long ago.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Please, it's so long.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
The blouses tell a different story.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Oh it's so good, so good, so good.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
We never went to Chinchin. We never made that dream
a reality?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
There? Was it there?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
It still is there?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
All right, ten year anniversary.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, we have two years to get ready.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, we'll make friends with the Kardashians. That's step two
of my favorite murder is becoming friends.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean, I feel like we were visionaries of the ship.
We were talking about the Kardashians in this episode.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah yeah, maybe not.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, Yeah, they're not going to be friends with.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's fine, We're gonna go to Chinchin without them. We
don't any of them. We can order our own Chinese
chicken salad. And this is the first time we decide to.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Do a themed episode.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So this theme is children who kill and that was
I think in the beginning, the themes were kind of
made it a little easier to decide what stories to
do because there were so many.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, and we were we were out of the realm
of what's the one that struck you first and most
or whatever. And then now we were just like, what
would be good to tell? What would be how do
we do this?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, like, what do we want to what do we
want to tell? What seems important to us? So we
dialed in and this is an episode about children who
kill their parents. Karen goes first and tells us the
story of Alex and Derek King. Okay, do you I
(16:53):
feel like I always start with my favorite murder?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Do you want to go first? Sure?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Do you want to go first? I will?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And this is under the guys we were talking about
kids that kill. But I don't know if we still
did that.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I did, Oh good.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So we decided that we're now going to have uh,
every episode has a theme or like a you know,
a what's a point, a subject.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
On that point or yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Just I mean I guess theme's the right word theme
or subject. Yeah, so we can kind of like match
a match.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So this is kids. Were we doing? Kids that kill
their parents?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's what I did. Okay, okay, yay, we did it.
So I did at Alex and Derek.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
King, which I don't know about.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So I'm excited to hear this because you sent me
a photo and I was like, I'm not looking this.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Up, just tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So the first time I ever saw these kids on
the news, Alex King at the time, I think he
was either twelve or thirteen. He looked like he was
eight years old. He looked like a baby face baby. Oh,
very small boy. And his brother it was like a
year maybe two years older than him. Derek King was
kind of bigger, like, looked like a teenager. I'm gonna
(17:57):
get cozy, yeah, La lay all the way down story. So,
and I remember seeing it where it was like, you know,
kids do kill and whatever, and they had killed their father.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So the deal was.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
House was on fire, fireman good to put the fire
the house out. They put the fire out and go
in and then in the other part of the house
it isn't burnt, they find a dead body and they
know that it's dead from not from the fire, but
they can see that it has headwhones. And so the
next day Alex and Derek King turned themselves into the
(18:33):
Sheriff's tell me their age again, twelve and thirteen, Holy
should yeah, babies. And you got to see the picture
and the one mugshot of Alex King, He's just got
zits all over his forehead. He just is like it's
a child, child, it's like sixth grade, seventh grade. Yeah,
And so they turn themselves in and they say that
(18:54):
they had run away from home because their dad was
too strict to their dad's friend, Ricky Chavez's house, and
they stayed there for a week, and they knew that
he was gonna They knew they were gonna get punished
when they went back home, so they decided to kill
him to avoid being punished and because their children, because
they're children, and also they ran away because their dad.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So what it happened.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's a very sad story, of course, but it's like
the mother and father have Alex and Derek Alex and
then she has twins, and then she leaves all four boys,
leaves the husband and just bails.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I will never be able to wrap my head around
moms who just later and dad's too it.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
You know, well, I and in this story particularly, there's
a lot of things I wish I knew more about,
and I read. I read every single article on Google.
When I put their names in, it just went down
until I got to there was an article on the
NAMBLOW website, which is the National Association for Man Boy
Love or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That's the thing you can click on.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
You can click on it. I didn't realize until after
I clicked and the story and at the end it
was like a person that was trying to rationalize or
I was like, oh my god, where have I gone?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Because I just kept on real sure, I've never come
across that in all my weird It was like the
tenth article and you can click on it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Do you think that the government is tracking you now?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And they should be like that? But it was the
only the defense I have is that it was just
the next article down, Like.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I wasn't say anything different or anything inflammatory.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, so it it told this part of the story.
It is inflammatory, but it's that creepy, creepy thing of
So they ran to Ricky Chevez's house. And the reason
they'd like to go there is because he let them
smoke pot and play video games and he was molesting
Alex and he had convinced Alex that they were in love.
(20:51):
This guy was thirty nine nine that they were in
love and that Alex was gay and that, and so
this herein starts the soap opera of this story because.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Jesus I was not expecting that angle.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, it's it's rough. So the namble article, of course,
is like people don't understand these relationships or whatever, where
I was like.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Wait what hold hold, Yeah, it's creepy.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
But so that guy drove them to the Sheriff's department
to turn themselves in, but then they got him and
they were like, so what exactly are you doing here?
And then it turns out so he gets held for
like aiding in a bedding essentially, you know, like keeping.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Them did he have anything?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay, but he knew that they had killed his dad
when they're set there.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Okay, So the two those the two young boys confess
and they have their confessions taped and they're very detailed.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Can you watch them? Can you watch them? You can't?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Probably no, it's tape recorder from what I understand, Okay,
But then a little while later they recan't, like a
couple months later, and I think that's probably when they
got lawyers, and when the lawyers like put everything out
and were like, hold on a second, Yeah, you were
ran to the molester's house to hang out the day
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after you killed your father. What's really going on here?
And then they came back and said that we were
we were trying to cover for Ricky. It turned out
he killed our father and the whole thing was his idea,
and that is that's where it all started. And I
remember when I saw that news story, it was like
he was base. They were basically presented as like these
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evil children, like you immediately believed that they It was
such a bias. It was such a weird bias. They
were like, he has and this young one has a
relationship with.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
This guy, as if that kid is somehow perpetuating the
relationship or his fault. Yes' deducing the older man.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, because they're they're basically trying to sell the story
of like these two devil children no one really is.
We all know it's like this guy was in their life.
So clearly Alex was being groomed for a long time,
and you know, it's just the grossest thing. So basically,
when the mom bailed the dad after a little while,
I was like, I can't handle four boys by myself.
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So they all got put in, Like Alex went to
a foster home. The twins went somewhere else, and then
the older boy went and lived with the principal of
the local high school.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Now that can't be I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And then he stayed there until like two months before
this murder. So and Alex came back from the foster home.
I can't get any information about what happened, but they
said it didn't like it didn't work out for something.
But we all know what foster homes sure and can
be like so, but Alex was doing good at home
with his dad. Then Derek showed up and then two
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months later the dad's murder.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Do we know, did the mom come back for the trial?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, the mom not only came back for the trial
when they they basically were found guilty. I think they
were found guilty of second gree murder.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Or something.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
The mom showed up, they hit him with something and
then set his bondy on baseball bat.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Derek kid him with the baseball bat. Alex said it
was his idea, and then they left the house on
fair because they thought they were going to get rid
of all the evidence.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
If you're going to kill someone and then let their
body on fire, if they don't have charred lungs, it's
clear that they didn't die in the fire.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Everyone.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, you can't just burn somebody. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
It doesn't work that way. And I mean, yeah, I'm
telling people how to get away where yeah, like almost
kill them so that they inhale the smoke when they know.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, I mean yeah, that's one way, but still they
might find stuff on the body.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You can't get away with killing someone anyways. It's very
difficult to get away with.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Killing some So they also brought the guy up on charges,
all kinds of charges. They had like the aiding and
betting thing, and they had on kidnapping, and of course
like ten counts of molestation. He had already he was
a convicted pedophile.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Of course he was.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
How was he the family friend? That's what I wanted.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
This is why you don't make friends with people at
all ever.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
But so so anyway, they have too, like they have
two trials. The two boys are tried, and then this
guy is Ricky is tried.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We just starts spreading this rumor.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
But they so they try the adult man first and
then steal his the results and so when the boys
are tried, we don't know whether or not that jury
found that guy guilty.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Because it'll influence the jury.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, because they basically were both oh because sorry, So
like three months after they made that confession, then they
got the lawyer. They lawyered up. They basically came back
and said, he did it. We were covering for him,
and this whole thing was his plan and we were
in the trunk the whole time and he did all
of it.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And he was like nope, yes.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And so that guy's lawyer has to represent a child
molester who is it is being accused of murder by children.
Like the whole thing is so crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That's what I'm saying about defense, Like defense attorney should look.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I wish the idea was for everyone together to look
for the truth instead of making some shit up. Yeah,
or like here's a technicality. And this is why you know,
I can't imagine defense attorneys like themselves that much.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
No, well, it must be really hard, but then there
are there. They're doing it for those people that are
like a few innocent, right, But this guy was so
not innocent. But the weird thing was they didn't convict
him on the ten molestation charges. They didn't like he
They basically brought more charges against him and then like
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the thing he finally got convicted for was like was
like holding a minor against their will or something, and
he got thirty five years for it, like the maximum.
That's a lot because the one thing they could make stick. Yeah,
but because those boys had lied and done all that stuff,
it made this guy look better than he should have looked.
(26:53):
And there are a lot of people who still feel
like no one ever heard what really actually happened, because
there's no way that that child molester was just an
innocent bystander in that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Well, when you think about these kids who were twelve
and thirteen but looked really young, does that mean that
how did they hit their dad over the head with
a baseball bat and kill him? That doesn't sound like
something a young looking twelve with thirteen like a slight
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Like that's well, the older Derek is the one that
did it, and he was a little taller and bigger,
but the guy was sitting in like a lazy boy
recliner and so he may have been asleep. He may
just snuck up on them just because they had run away,
so they weren't in the house, they weren't around.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So they snuck into the house and kill them. And
what's the story with the dad? Was he like a
dick too?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Like was it?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
There's no proof. That's the other thing is that they
couldn't prove anything. They couldn't prove the molestation. Everything was
word It was not word of mouth, but yeah, hears
there or whatever. And the dad, they just said the
dad was really strict and sometimes he would stare at
them and they didn't like it. So I think it
was just like those kids just looked worse and worse
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and worse and worse every time they talked about any.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, so it's like the dad was a dad trying
is trying to.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Be Maybe he was a dick, but he was trying,
you know, but who knows. Like And also it was
his friend. This totally the other the child molest or
was his friend. That's the reason that guy was in
their life.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
So who knows, don't you like, do you wonder about
like people we know that You're like, oh, like they're
a child, Like what if they tried to be a
child loster?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You would never know, you would never know.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Secrets, secrets, And now they're both out of jail. Shut.
They eventually got convicted. The older one got eight years
in jail and the little one got seven. Jesus, and
now they're out and one is like on drugs and
violated his parole, had to go back. They alex the
younger one because he got like into a car accident
(28:54):
or something. It's all just really terrible and sad. Down
the street from here, the no, no, this all happened
in Florida, okay, but then they moved to somewhere in Texas.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think, damn crazy, so crazy. And also as I
was doing it, I was like, oh, I love the story.
It's so disgusting and crazy. But then there's no real answers,
which drives me nuts.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I want to talk to the mom.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh she came in. Not only did she come in
in the eleventh hour, but she rose O'Donnell hired her
two lawyers for the boys.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Oh really, yeah, why.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Because I think she was afraid they weren't getting like
a fair wow, a fair thing, so she put some lawyers,
Florida lawyers on retainer for that.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, this is another one of those murders where I
think about it once a month, once every couple months,
because that scenario is just it's just so nightmarish, and
those boys truly didn't have a chance. I mean, if
we're talking about and we have talked a lot about
(30:08):
the why of serial killers, or the why of spree
or just you know, parenticide, don't know what it's called,
and this one is just I remember reading and reading
and reading about it and just being like, this is awful.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, it's one of those stories that it's like, on
the surface, it looks like a one an act that
happened periods these kids, But when you start telling the
story and looking into it and looking into the past
and looking at circumstances, it just gets more and more convoluted,
but also makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yes, in a way globally. Yeah, you look at it,
It's not random. Two boys, which was how the media
would talk about it back then, where it was just
like two boys killed their parents and they're bad and yeah,
exactly when it's like that situation was like, uh, it
actually makes perfect sense coming from that how they got
(31:03):
to where they ended up. So I do have case
updates on this. So Alex King actually died this year
on April twenty third, of a heart attack caused by
a drug overdose. He was only thirty five years old.
He'd been living in Missoula, Montana. He struggled with drug
addiction for a long time. That's something his uncle told
(31:26):
someone in the press. The other brother, Derek King, is
still alive, thirty six years old, lives in Florida, has
a child. Sounds like, sounds like it's, you know, try
to put his life back together. So Ricky Chavis, who
as we heard, was charged with kidnapping and ten counts
of molestation, is now in his mid sixties. He is
(31:49):
still serving his thirty year sentence at this Century Correctional
Institution in Escambia County, Florida. He's already served more than
twenty years for his crimes. He healed the verdict in
the sentence, but they were upheld. He's scheduled to be
released in November of twenty thirty one.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, so now let's go from one that has these
circumstances that when you hear them it makes more sense
as to what happened.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
My story that I tell is not that. It is
just it is confounding and heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, and you know, of course it's hard to talk
about children who murder because the instinct that we have
is always to assume that there was an abuse going on,
that the parents were inflicting some kind of trauma. So
there are also victims, and you know, it's just you
don't ever know these things.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And you want a reason, right, you want something logical
that you can follow to say, I see this all
adds up.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Now, right, But sometimes there isn't. There isn't that, and
it's so frustrating. And also, back in twenty sixteen, we
talked about the victim and perpetrators' looks, and you know,
they're physical appearance, and we don't really do that anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
So just a heads up on that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So Georgia goes second in this episode, and here's her story.
It's about Jasmine Richardson and the Richardson family murders.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
All right, I want to hear my favorite murder I
really do for children who kill their parents. Yes, mine
is the Richardson family murder. Okay, so in medicine hat Alberta, Canada.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I love when Canadians get violent.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You know, Canadians. I've been noticing from the Facebook group
there's a lot of fun up murders in Canada. Yeah
there are, and yeah it's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I because there's like so much.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It's wide open space totally. And this is Canada's youngest
multiple murderer. Oh she her name is Jasmine Richardson.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Is this the one that's twelve but looks like she's
twenty five?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yes, sorry, sorry, it's good. It's good. Yes, it totally is.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
So.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
In April of two thousand and six, Mark Richardson, who
is forty two, dubb or Richardson, who's forty eight.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And this is a fucking sad part.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I mean it's also but Jacob Richardson, who's eight years old,
I found dead and the daughter, who was twelve years old,
was nowhere to be found. So this is the reason
there's photos of her out there is because at first
she was a missing person. So they splayed her photo
all over the news and like, where's this chick? Turns
out they find her the next day she gets arrested.
She is twelve years old, hot like goth chick dating
(34:33):
a twenty three year old dude named Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Allen steink st E. I m k E, thankye, thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He's the worst last name of all. No, maybe he
rebelled it because he's like this gross. He's like the
dude that we probably dated in high school. He's like
a gross goth dude who looks like probably wears eyeliner.
He said he was a three hundred year old werewolf
that liked the taste blood. He's like that guy, like gross,
I dated when I was like fourteen and on drugs.
(35:06):
I dated older dudes and I thought it was the coolest.
Like this is what the story interested me too, because
it was like, oh, yeah, I that could have been me.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I mean, I would never have killed my family, but
who knows if you get like pulled in by some weirdo.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, and he kind of it seems like I mean,
it definitely seems like he's the one who the whole
thing on because he said he watched like hours before
the murder, watched Natural Born Killers and was like, me
and my girlfriend are these people were gonna.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Kill your family? So they went in there. The dad.
This is so graphic.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
The dad was stabbed so many times he didn't have
blood in him anymore. Oh my god, I found him.
And then this is the saddest part. Don't listen if
you don't want to hear about children getting murdered, because
I don't even want to. This poor eight year old kid,
she sat up there, His big sister sat up there
with him. She says, she covered his ears while this
his parents got killed in the basement, and then because
(36:02):
she didn't want him to hear it, so it's like, well,
then she also didn't want him to get murdered. But
the guy came up there, the boyfriend, and was like
kill him. So together they kind of.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Killed him, just like disgusting and awful and like insane.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Insane, And it makes me not she's twelve years old,
but it makes me have no sympathy for her anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
No, you know, no, if she could do that sit
with her brother and covers ears or whatever, there's some
modicum of control that she had, or sheally taken him
out the windows totally or something.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Something except and now, man, she's going to community fucking
college and has a job and lives on her own. Oh,
because in you can't be tried and as an adult
when you're under fourteen in Canada for murder. So that
or in the longest you can get is ten years.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
So she was twelve at.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
The time, got ten years, got out early. She's out
the care of a psychiatrist. She expresses genuine remorse. Quote genuine.
I mean I was a little shit when I was young,
but I would but I knew.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
You don't kill your family.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well I don't think it's I don't think it's a
fair comparison.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You probably being a little shit and a murderer is
all the same thing.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well, yeah, I mean that's true. I wonder what drugs
they were doing. Were they on drugs together?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It didn't talk about drugs, but they had to be
on something. Yeah, oh no, I know.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
So he got three life sentences.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, so she essentially didn't like she only got punished
for a little while.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Punished for a little while. She's going to school.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I was reading a Reddit thing that's like someone was like, yeah,
we I go to this school, and none of us
know who she is, even though there's photos of her
and she looks so much older.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Look up, Josmine Richardson.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
She's like a pretty gothy girl who looks eighteen at
the least at the least, but you'd think that you
could recognize her, but everyone's like we no one can
tell her she is.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Well, you know what, I bet she grew those eyebrows
in sure, she got probably got a nice stencil, an
eyebrow stencil.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Let's say hair is bleached band now maybe bleachwam would
be smart, you know, or maybe she's like the most
square looking person in the world. Now she goes full
J Crew, full Jay Crew. Yeah, that's a good way
to hide. Marcia Clark prom.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Bugged out, Marsha Clark eyes.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, totally spray tan because you're not goth anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And Elsie or or she could be doing mousey brown
hair that almost isn't a color and like John Lennon
glasses and just being like sexless plain, Yeah, like the
person I always think about that of, Like if I
ever wanted to be a spy, I know exactly what
I would wear and like do.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
We don't look like spies you and I know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
You look like an old goth lady who stopped trying
three years ago.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
We would have to go real norm, real normal, not norm.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, we would have to do. It would have to
be light honey, brown box died.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
And also like like cardigan sets, yeah right.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Like and like or maybe just like you just have
a shopping to hit marshals.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
We would have to look like I looked, or like
one would look when you have an office job you
hate and don't want to spend any money on the clothes.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So it's those like buttoned down blouses that like are
roofed at the waist, and then a pencil skirt totally
it's easy to hide in plain sight, cheap shitty boots,
shitty boots, black tights.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
And then your purse is from clearly from payless, like
your purses from payless.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Sure, and then you just got a scrunchy. You've got
all the hair, the permed hair up in a scrunchy,
a scrunch Now it.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Makes shaved eyebrows. And then their pencil back in.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Ooh, that's a bit that almost might seem glamorous, though,
that is I think you grow the eyebrows in.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, it'd be hard for me though.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Okay, flipliner only no lipsticks or.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Just no lipstick, right, no, oh, just no lips. Oh
my god, what what about those people that were all foundation?
Oh yeah, so just foundation. You have like an all
beige face. It's like no conjuring whatsoever, no contouring, no lipstick,
no eye may go. Oh you just got the basics covered.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
The baby, my cat is stoked on this look for me.
He's like, he'll just never leave the house anymore. Wow,
I'm fascinated.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I am too.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I do remember seeing that picture and when I read
that she was twelve, I was like, yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, I don't know how. I was like, that must
be an older photo of her. Nope, that's what she
looked like. And I think she supposedly lie. They maybe
been in a chat in a chat room, and supposedly
she might have been lying about her age, saying she
was fifteen. So he's still a twenty three year old
fucking a fifteen year old.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yes, but also if he's three hundred, he would should
have been able to pick up on that line. Yeah,
if he's been around that much, she thought he would.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Know, and they killed their parents supposedly because they disapproved
of the relationship. Which it's like this, what's bothered me
so much about the whole thing is like, these parents
get killed for parenting. Yeah, that bothers me so much,
Like these parents get killed for something that later in
your life you're like, they were right. But I look
back at my mom and how mad I was at
(41:34):
her and embarrassed I was at certain moments like and
I'm like, oh, no, no, no, you were being an asshole.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
She was parenting.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yes, Okay, So here are some case updates. About three
months after this episode was recorded, in early May twenty sixteen,
Jasmine completed her ten year sentence, which included four years
in a psychiatric institution and then four and a half
years under conditionals pervision. And when I mentioned in the
(42:02):
episode that she was in community college, this was during
her time under community supervision. She's now thirty years old
and living under a new identity. But Jeremy stein Key
is still in prison. He's still serving his life sentence.
He'll be eligible for parole in twenty thirty one after
serving twenty five years of his sentence. And you know,
(42:22):
hopefully that will be denied that parole.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah. On the plus side, you can hear Elvis a
lot nowing oh god during that episode.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean that actually is kind of sweet that you
could go back and kind of oh yeah, listen to
him anytime you wanted to know.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
And the fact that we still have him nowing there
at every episode, Yeah, all these years later, he's still
being asked if he wants to clicky in. Having him
out at the end of every episode makes me like
want to cry.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, and got to Yeah, he helped us get to
where we are today.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I can't overstate how how much his companionship and loyalty
helped with my mental health. I mean, I would not
be where I am today if I had not adopted
that cat. He was just such a loyal angel.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
He a good boy.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
He would be a good boy, good boy, very good boy.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
But how funny that today I have a dog named Cookie,
named after my sweet boy.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Prayers up, prayers up, every day, full circle.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, very sweet Alvis brought me a cookie at the
very end of it.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh all right, So we don't start doing minisodes until
March thirtieth, twenty sixteen. So in these early days we
do hometowns at the end of every episode. That's how
we started blending it together. So here is early days.
A listener from New Zealand wrote in, I mean, who knew?
(43:49):
That's huge and so cool And when we went down there,
of course, legendary tour in Australia and New Zealand. I'll
never forget it, one of the best trips I've ever
been on, Like so amazing that people were so great,
it was so cool, incredible. So here's the hometown Should
(44:10):
we do a yeah emails? Yeah, we have some good
your hometown murders. You guys are really fucking killing it.
You're killing it and so much so. I don't know
if you guys saw, but we got a really nice
review on the av Club that specifically mentioned how good
the hometown murder stories are, how gary they are gonna
(44:31):
rip up your notes.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Right, that's okay, okay, Yeah, you guys are part of
this podcast and we appreciate it. Yeah, so you can
you can email them to us at my favorite Murder
at Gmail.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
You can join the Facebook group.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
It's a private group so people won't see that you're
an insane person that loves murders and.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
You have to ask to join it is that right?
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
You need just need to be approved, and you're being
approved by me and I so far have not not
approved anyone, so it's not scary. And then we also
have a Twitter account, my fave murder fab, so if
you need to go there, you should follow us there too. Okay,
you want to start, sure, let's see. This is the
(45:13):
one I marked. I just I like to lay in
bed and read beats. I know I did the best,
and then flag ones that are like, you know, clear, concise, easy.
So let's see this is one that I flagged. Ooh,
this is creepy.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So hi, ladies, this is from Mait m Ai t
E Mait Elguletta Elgueta Clavel and I think she she's
originally from Chile, so that's why she has such a
fascinating name Mait All right, so she says, high ladies,
really cool to have found her podcast. I'm originally from Chile,
(45:50):
but I have lived in New Zealand en Z. Yeah
sure for over ten years now, en Z. My husband
and I are really fascinated by old Case doesn't always
talk about it. There's so many here in NZ that
are very interesting and worth mentioning, like the Bain murders
or the Mark Lundy's case, naming them here so you
can have a chance to research a little. But the
(46:13):
one I want to tell you about happened in the
town I grew up and the victim was a student
from my school, so that's one personal connection on the case.
Carla o Yarza was a fifteen year old talented student
and athlete who was found dead at a sports training
park in Orsono, Chile. She had been raped, beaten, and
strangled with her own running tights. On the evening of
(46:33):
December seventeenth, two thousand and eight, Carla and her sister
went for the usual training session at the city outdoor
sports facility. They usually go to training with their dad,
but that day their mom was sick, so the dad
stayed home looking after her, and the girls trained together
for a while, then separated. Carla stayed behind doing extra
labs and her sister went home in parenthesis terrible move.
(46:56):
After a few hours and with no signs of Carlo,
the family members and friends went to look for her,
and among these friends was fellow athlete and former coach
of Carla, Christian Rojo roj El thirty five. He knew
the area very well, so he led the search that
night and also helped the police search the following morning.
He even talked to the media saying that he had
seen her training and have told her that she shouldn't
(47:18):
be on her own, that it was late all red legs,
it was dangerous. Yep, she wrote, I mean, hello, you're.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Just implicating, you're telling everyone that you were there.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, you're getting be so interested. Ye. So Carlo's body
was discovered the following morning at a remote part of
the training field, an area that was covered in really
high wheat grass, a wheat like grass. So, as you
might have guessed, he raped and killed her. And do
you know how he got caught. His wife saw him
coming home that night and jumping in the shower with
his clothes on, as if he was trying to wash them.
(47:49):
She found that odd, and when she heard Carla about
Carla being dead, she checked her husband's wet clothing and
it was covered in dry grass like the wheat grass,
And then she saw something that look like blood, so
she called the police and the blood was matched to
Krylo's DNA. He raped her with a condom, so he
wouldn't get caught. He was found guilty of rape and
first degree murder. Is currently serving a life sentence in
(48:11):
a local prison. He's never confessed to killing her. He
first said that they were lovers in the sex was consensual,
later admitted to have raped her, but insisted he left
her alive.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah right, just just confess at this point. Yeah, good
for his fucking wife. Man, Like, I know, you know,
that's the kind of person that people need to be.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Is like, imagine that moment where you look down and
you see all the Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
I would want to throw up. I would run out
of the house. That's like that moment in sounds of
the lamps where she's like, may's your phone?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Please? Right? Or you try to act calm, but there's
no way to such.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
A good that's oh, you know. I read an article
recently that was just an interview from the two the.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Mister I don't want to hear or DoD and puts
the lotion on.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I read an art an article that was just interviewing
the two of them and what their experiences were like.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Were they together? No, it was like quotes from with them,
but's so funny. That's a fun I've never heard that
story before. And every time I see mister uh, I
got your dog, every time I see her in anything else, like,
I'm so proud.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Did you know she was some grays anatomy. Yeah, I
did not realize that article. I was so happy for her.
She's fine, like after that pit residual money. Okay, you guys,
thanks for listening. Follow us in all the places we
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Speaker 3 (49:33):
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Please do that because that gets us so many more
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we want everyone to listen to this because we want
everyone to be fucked up in the head.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
We need to share. You know what sharing is caring
it definitely.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
And uh you know, stay sexy, Stay sexy, don't get murdered.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
So out of the hometown and onto the title and
the ending, because this is a big one. This is
the very first episode that ends with stay sexy and
don't get murdered.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
This was so off the cuff.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yes, I mean I remember you saying stay sexy, and
I remember needing to say something else, and we had
just gone over such horrific murders that it was almost
just like I felt like we were telling we were
literally telling the person listening how.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
To live their life.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yet and it was definitely stay sexy, yes, absolutely, but
also don't get murder please. Yeah, just like how you
would tell a friend, Yeah, what you would tell a
friend when they were leaving your house at night.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, have a safe flight. It has that vibe to it,
right for sure. I was, of course being incredibly sarcastic.
But we had decided, I think before we started recording,
we need a tag line, like, we need some sort
of We were trying to just like and tighten our
shit up and like be more official. It's like, well,
if now there's you know, if now there's three thousand
(51:00):
people on the Facebook page, we better start treating this
like it's a real show.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, because at the end, I think we're like, okay,
well but goodbye good bye.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
We needed something. We need to end it on something, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
And so then we also named the episode stay sixy
because we were still.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Doing the number puns.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, but Alejandra, our producer, pulled out some lines that
could be what we would name it now that we
do it just onlines that we say in the show.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yeah, so we have adventures into ghost mouths after something
Karen said, hm hm.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Oh that's right. Yeah. Oh there's also arts and crafts Gothic,
which is something Georgia said talking about the house. The
house on the show American Horror Story was available to
be airbnele right crazy.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
I want to spend the night there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
My cat's going to rip up your notes was one
of the options, because literally my cats would have torn
your notes to shreds at one point.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Those cats loved papers. They still do, and they they
loved it. While we were recording the most it felt
like it was like, wait, it was it Mimi. That
was always a little bit like, hey, maybe got over here.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
They both love to shred paper. For sure.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
It was very handy when I was like paying bills
and stuff like that. But not when you like need
sound to sound okay, oh.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Not with that incredible audio that we were doing back
in twenty six.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I mean, did we invent ASMR. I don't know, it's possible.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
I could say.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I mean, if you if you're relax by ripping paper,
which good.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
I mean cats ripping paper is pretty adorable.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
If that's what you love, this is the show for you.
Uh well, we've done it again.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Do you like reviewing old episodes with us?
Speaker 1 (52:42):
How do you feel about this? We could do it forever.
We could do it forever. Let us know what you prefer.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
If you demand the cancelation of the series, please rate, review,
and subscribe in iTunes.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Please do, and also stay sexy and don't get murdered.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Good baye of us.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Do you want a cookie?
Speaker 2 (53:06):
M
Hell, hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is the series where we re listened to our
favorite moments from our oldest episodes, exposing our flaws and
reflecting on how we got here.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's right, And we're also sharing important case updates and
getting you a little bit more context as to where
we were, who we were, what was happening in our
lives and your lives, the mindset, the cats that were
in the apartment.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
There was a lot of them, yeah, eight nine. So
today we're going back to episode six, which was released
on Tuesday, February twenty third, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So get your pen pal and the milk delivery person
and your local barista, because now we can all be
Day one listeners together.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So the equity and calling it a milk delivery person, right, yeah,
very see that that's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, twenty sixteen would have been milk man.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
You know, I've been a milkman, And no, you cannot
become a milkman, little girl.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Right yeah, yeah, there's no, there's no milkman, Barbie. So like,
how do I know if I can become a milk
delivery person when I grow up.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The funniest thing is, I don't think milkman exists anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I don't think so either. I've been in some well
small lass town.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, maybe a town with a dairy.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
My house is so old that it has a little
milk door, milk delivery door on it, and you open
it and there's like a little like what's it called dial,
There's like a dial and you can move the dial
to like how much milk you need. It's like one
nown two coouncer. And then it's like also eggs, Like
does an eggs? Isn't it like it says it on
the cream heavy cream. Yeah, you can point to all
(01:58):
of them. So when the milk delivery person gets there,
they don't They just open the door. See what you
want to put your order in your little milk delivery door.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's incredible. I know our next door neighbors growing up
used to get their milk delivered, yeah, on the farm,
and they had yeah, I think they just wanted the
freshest milk possible and they had like they just had
a little metal kind of camp on their porch. So
it went through at least until the eighties. Yeah, but
(02:27):
now it's just the milkman is a door dasher.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's right, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Because deep down everybody wants a milk delivery person.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
That's right. And all this and more. But we talked
like this in twenty sixteen. That's all. Go all the
way back to February twenty third, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So high, Hi, Karen, it's time once again did talk
about murder.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Welcome to my favorite murder.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Hi, Welcome. That was Georgia. That's Kart And we are
here to talk to you about the thing that you
want to talk about the most, because we do too.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Murder that your friends don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
You know, when some people are fear based, and that's fine,
that's the way they live. They want to put their
hands over their eyes and pretend like it's reality. Isn't happening?
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, But not us, friends, No, some of us want
to just like jump into the pool of terror.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
So there's a old saying you have to go into
the mouth of the ghost. That's what we do here.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
We are the ghost Mouths.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Weird adventures into ghost mouths.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So suckond Did you see that the house from the
first season of American Horror Story, The Haunted House you
can now airbnb that house?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Can we record an episode from there?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Like, oh my god, that's amazing, that brick thing that
has like the turrets and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
It's like like a like a gothic Yeah, yeah, like
arts and crafts gothic.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Where where the guy from the Law show lived and
like they had the maid and stuff. Yes, yes, okay
that I liked that first season a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I had to choose spending the night there, middle of
the night, lights off, quiet, We'll do some ghosts hunting,
ghost stuff, ghostly stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Was there a murder taking place in there aside from
the TV show? I know no, just but it is
a creepy old house. Yeah, I'm into that. I mean
maybe the murder hasn't been found yet. We'll dig up
the yard. Maybe it'll happen that night somewhere nearby, like
in the dig up the yard. Yeah, just start digging
(04:47):
for bone looking burns.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
We haven't talked about my new favorite show, the O. J.
Simpson Show.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Love it. That's called The.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
People Versus O J.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Simpson. Thank you, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It is also one of my favorite choes.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
David Swimmer, Oh shwim stop it. You're breaking my heart.
Stop it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
What about when they were in Chinchin. The Kardashian family
went to Tinchin. That is so la if you don't listen,
Chinchin is a terrible Chinese chain or delicious, depending on
who you are.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I haven't heard of it since the nineties.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It is so nineties, Like it's where we used to
go when I moved here in nineteen ninety four. Really
all the time, that was the place everyone wanted to go.
It was like the Ivy yeah, but like but cheap
and in the valley yeah. And the idea that they
were like we cut the line in the hin.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Is oh my god, like this is where we want
to go because this is where like I went to
bought Mitzwaz of these kind of girls where it's like
we got to Chinge, like I went to camp. I
went to camp with the Fawns's daughter. Oh and so
they probably went to Chinchin, I bet.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Because they eat that Chinese chicken salad. Back then, everybody
thought it was diet. That's how the nineties were.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
It's good. That show is great.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I love that it's going off the premise that he
totally did it well, yeah, because I know is the
thing he apso fucking leally, did he.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Really really did? Because that's the thing is, as we
discuss and find in all of these stories that we tell,
in cases that we talk about, things happen for a
for a reason, and be the people that do them
have histories of doing things. Oh yeah, and it's never
it's so strange that still the legal system treats these
things like it's out of the blue word. It's like, yes,
(06:25):
if a man consistently beats the ship at his wife,
that will escalate, that things escalate.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Well, you know what I think is really interesting is
that instead of looking into the history and why and
what happened exactly and what's the most obvious answer, the
answer is then to give them a defense attorney to
argue a fucking fantasy or like a fucking daydream that
they somehow didn't do it, and here is why maybe
(06:54):
it didn't happen, you know, or this way or that it's.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Like or just those huge distractions of life. Basically, they
were putting the lapd on trial, which they deserved because
the Rodney King riots had just you know, the Rocky
King beating had just happened, and.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's like so not even close to the same thing,
you know.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But but the argument of a black man can't get
a fair trial, or like you know that the system
is against black people and black men specifically, was so
true and had never been really broached before. And I
remember white people being like that's crazy. Yeah, that's such
a bunch of crap, and it's like, how would you know.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Dude, Okay, Rodney King's trial took place in SeeMe Valley
with zero black people on the jury.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah. I think it was even all men. I mean
it was one woman.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No, it's bad Seem Valley, which is like the whitest
fucking place in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
With zero black people on the jury.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, anyways, no, yeah, not a jury of his peers
looking like just just crooked and bad all around. So
there is a kind of like it was a getback
in a way.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, it was absolutely itzy to watch.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
It, like that's right when I moved here, all that
stuff happened, and like we're living through it. I remember
being in I think it was Golden Apple Comics, and
they were like OJ's running the bronco is on the
highway and running up to our friend Laura's house and
everybody just gathering there and watching watching it on TV.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Well, I just remember when the I remember when the
British was about to be read. It was like, Okay,
everyone knows he's guilty, he should be he should be convicted.
Nobody wants another riot and that's we It was so
traumatizing the first riot.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, that it was like.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
It wasn't worth it to see him be convicted because
that was fucking scary and no one wanted to go
through that again, right, So, and.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's almost all it would have happened.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, And it was almost a relief when he when
it was not guilty, because it was like, Okay, you
know what, Black people deserve this after what we fucking
put them through here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, well it's it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It's just weird though, because when you watch it, it's
such a fascinating thing, like watching them Marcia Clark and
her whole team acting like it's a slam dunk case
when you know what's really going to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Marcia Clark, what's her character from American Horror Story?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
She's incredible And Sarah Paulson, Yeah that, but her hair
is so distressed. I just all I can do is
think about how long it took to curl every piece
of that.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh that was that a perm or was she like
you absolutely can't permit?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Or is it it must have been a wig? No one,
no one lets anybody perm their hair anymore. Yeah, do
they know? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
The sad thing, of course, is the murder victims that
just didn't get any recognition.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, it was not about them at all.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I just can never forget that. I never forgot the
quote that, like Nicole was almost decapitated. That's how deep
it Wasn't he slit her throat? She was almost decapitated.
He was like going berserk. Yeah, he cut into it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It's so crazy, and like that idea of how they
started the whole thing with the dog with bloody feet,
totally walking up like the guy finding a dog.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
It's a good show.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It's very good and then also insanely cheesy. It's so enjoyable.
Like John Travolta got a blessing.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
He is killing it.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
He's my face. Do you think he was really like
that Robert Shapiro, Yeah, probably he didn't have blue eyes.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You know that.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
It's really corny there's so many corny things. Every single
every single line that marciall Clark says is like cut
to commercial, Like she can't say a line without it
cutting to commercial.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
But the best was at the end of the last episode,
she just goes, motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I think it's the first motherfucker on TV?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right, I think? So it's effects right, So yeah, their
little edgy when she says motherfucker, which she says that
about Johnny Cochran. Yeah, he joined the team and he's
his story's right too. Oh it's everyone is Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Could I really just want to hug David Swimmer?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Yeah, because he's such a He's who knew that was it?
Robert Kardashian, who knew he was such a great guy,
who knew he was.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
A great guy?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That would spawn the literal devils like the Downfall.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
All those discussions where they're like, you can't it's not
about fame, right, I have to have a good heart.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, I keep thinking about his are his kids watching
him being like, fuck, my dad, I miss my dad.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Probably he's sad. It is he died like not too
long after that, which is so sad.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I'm sure. Can you imagine how stressful it would have
been to be that guy in that.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Situation, that guy knows his friend is guilty and has
to defend him.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
He also had to use the phrase uncle juice a lot,
which I think may have been the thing that killed him.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeah, that would be hard. Uncle juice. He's not the
real uncle. Oh Chris Jenner killing it?
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Selma Blair got Ala Blair. Do you think she was like,
this is the end of my career? Or was she
stoked about it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, because you see all those other people on my cast.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That's true, that's true. I love this. They're great. Yeah,
all right, Oh, not stough.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
To talk about the fright that we're both watching autopsy?
But should we save that for yes?
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I and that I actually somebody recommend. I'm sorry, I
don't have the name, because someone mentioned it to us
on the Twitter page. Oh yeah, and it was a
man and he said, oh, autopsy was amazing. I watched
all of it, and I went autopsy huh. And then
I looked it up and I had never seen it.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
You had never heard of it or seen that.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think I may have heard of it, but I'd
never seen it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I had always just figured it and I think I
had like watched maybe one the wrong episode where like
he was literally just in an autopsy room cutting into
someone and talking and discussing it. Yeah, which I thought
the whole thing was like that. And No, it's like
it's like case stories from this crazy guy, like his
crazy corners passed and how he saw crimes based on
(12:53):
the autopsy.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And like the most and also they kind of fold
in like I've watched a couple now the last time.
The last when I was watching was number nine when
I texted you, because it's other people. They get other
corners in there too, because they're basically just getting all
the craziest stories. And I won't I won't give that
when away and just let people watch it. It's so good.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It's what I texted you. They opened up a guy.
Yes I should, I just say it. There's voodoo dolls inside.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Inside of bodies, Karen. I read that as inside of
his coffin. No, are you inside of his body?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's why I was so gonna go.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I'm gonna go cry.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I thought you meant like yeah, they they I thought
because I read it as I say, next to us,
but still that's fucked up.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Okay, And it.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Turned out the woman that ran the funeral home was
practiced voodoo. You got to see her too, you got it.
She is worth the entire episode, all right. She has
the best hair I've ever seen, and she's a badass,
and she's basically trying to get rid of all the
other funeral homes, like all our competitors, and do better financially.
So she made voodoo dolls for all of them, and
(14:11):
then so up inside this man's score.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
At what point in that whole operation, are you like,
I might be a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, this might not be a great idea.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, this could come back.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, what will this look like from the outside?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Just everyone, You can be as crazy as you want,
but act normal, yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Just try to step out for one second. I'd be like,
if someone discovers this, how crazy will I love?
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Totally? That's good advice. I think that is too. So
everyone watch Autopsy.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Someone on Twitter suggested, or on our Facebook page we
have a Facebook group, my favorite Marty can someone suggested
that we just do a live up, or just do
an episode where we just watch an episode of Autopsy.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And just talk about it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That's a great idea I can watch along with us,
A very good idea.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, that's good. Yeah, you can go on because it's
on HBO go or HBO or whatever.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Apparently there's a lot of episodes on YouTube as well.
Oh good. Yeah, there's like you can find them everywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Love it. We're gonna have all kinds of event.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's also a little dated, which I fucking love when
I'm watching true crime. Shit, do you ever go back
and watch Forensic Files? Yoh yeah, it's like it's like
two thousand and two, which doesn't seem that long ago.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Please, it's so long.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
The blouses tell a different story.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Oh it's so good, so good, so good.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
We never went to Chinchin. We never made that dream
a reality?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
There? Was it there?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
It still is there?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Damn?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
All right, ten year anniversary.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, we have two years to get ready.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, we'll make friends with the Kardashians. That's step two
of my favorite murder is becoming friends.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean, I feel like we were visionaries of the ship.
We were talking about the Kardashians in this episode.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah yeah, maybe not.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, Yeah, they're not going to be friends with.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's fine, We're gonna go to Chinchin without them. We
don't any of them. We can order our own Chinese
chicken salad. And this is the first time we decide to.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Do a themed episode.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So this theme is children who kill and that was
I think in the beginning, the themes were kind of
made it a little easier to decide what stories to
do because there were so many.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, and we were we were out of the realm
of what's the one that struck you first and most
or whatever. And then now we were just like, what
would be good to tell? What would be how do
we do this?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, like, what do we want to what do we
want to tell? What seems important to us? So we
dialed in and this is an episode about children who
kill their parents. Karen goes first and tells us the
story of Alex and Derek King. Okay, do you I
(16:53):
feel like I always start with my favorite murder?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Do you want to go first? Sure?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Do you want to go first? I will?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
And this is under the guys we were talking about
kids that kill. But I don't know if we still
did that.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I did, Oh good.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So we decided that we're now going to have uh,
every episode has a theme or like a you know,
a what's a point, a subject.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
On that point or yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Just I mean I guess theme's the right word theme
or subject. Yeah, so we can kind of like match
a match.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So this is kids. Were we doing? Kids that kill
their parents?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's what I did. Okay, okay, yay, we did it.
So I did at Alex and Derek.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
King, which I don't know about.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So I'm excited to hear this because you sent me
a photo and I was like, I'm not looking this.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Up, just tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
So the first time I ever saw these kids on
the news, Alex King at the time, I think he
was either twelve or thirteen. He looked like he was
eight years old. He looked like a baby face baby. Oh,
very small boy. And his brother it was like a
year maybe two years older than him. Derek King was
kind of bigger, like, looked like a teenager. I'm gonna
(17:57):
get cozy, yeah, La lay all the way down story. So,
and I remember seeing it where it was like, you know,
kids do kill and whatever, and they had killed their father.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
So the deal was.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
House was on fire, fireman good to put the fire
the house out. They put the fire out and go
in and then in the other part of the house
it isn't burnt, they find a dead body and they
know that it's dead from not from the fire, but
they can see that it has headwhones. And so the
next day Alex and Derek King turned themselves into the
(18:33):
Sheriff's tell me their age again, twelve and thirteen, Holy
should yeah, babies. And you got to see the picture
and the one mugshot of Alex King, He's just got
zits all over his forehead. He just is like it's
a child, child, it's like sixth grade, seventh grade. Yeah,
And so they turn themselves in and they say that
(18:54):
they had run away from home because their dad was
too strict to their dad's friend, Ricky Chavez's house, and
they stayed there for a week, and they knew that
he was gonna They knew they were gonna get punished
when they went back home, so they decided to kill
him to avoid being punished and because their children, because
they're children, and also they ran away because their dad.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So what it happened.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's a very sad story, of course, but it's like
the mother and father have Alex and Derek Alex and
then she has twins, and then she leaves all four boys,
leaves the husband and just bails.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I will never be able to wrap my head around
moms who just later and dad's too it.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
You know, well, I and in this story particularly, there's
a lot of things I wish I knew more about,
and I read. I read every single article on Google.
When I put their names in, it just went down
until I got to there was an article on the
NAMBLOW website, which is the National Association for Man Boy
Love or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
That's the thing you can click on.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
You can click on it. I didn't realize until after
I clicked and the story and at the end it
was like a person that was trying to rationalize or
I was like, oh my god, where have I gone?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Because I just kept on real sure, I've never come
across that in all my weird It was like the
tenth article and you can click on it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Do you think that the government is tracking you now?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And they should be like that? But it was the
only the defense I have is that it was just
the next article down, Like.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I wasn't say anything different or anything inflammatory.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well, so it it told this part of the story.
It is inflammatory, but it's that creepy, creepy thing of
So they ran to Ricky Chevez's house. And the reason
they'd like to go there is because he let them
smoke pot and play video games and he was molesting
Alex and he had convinced Alex that they were in love.
(20:51):
This guy was thirty nine nine that they were in
love and that Alex was gay and that, and so
this herein starts the soap opera of this story because.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Jesus I was not expecting that angle.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, it's it's rough. So the namble article, of course,
is like people don't understand these relationships or whatever, where
I was like.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Wait what hold hold, Yeah, it's creepy.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
But so that guy drove them to the Sheriff's department
to turn themselves in, but then they got him and
they were like, so what exactly are you doing here?
And then it turns out so he gets held for
like aiding in a bedding essentially, you know, like keeping.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Them did he have anything?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Okay, but he knew that they had killed his dad
when they're set there.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Okay, So the two those the two young boys confess
and they have their confessions taped and they're very detailed.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Can you watch them? Can you watch them? You can't?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Probably no, it's tape recorder from what I understand, Okay,
But then a little while later they recan't, like a
couple months later, and I think that's probably when they
got lawyers, and when the lawyers like put everything out
and were like, hold on a second, Yeah, you were
ran to the molester's house to hang out the day
(22:03):
after you killed your father. What's really going on here?
And then they came back and said that we were
we were trying to cover for Ricky. It turned out
he killed our father and the whole thing was his idea,
and that is that's where it all started. And I
remember when I saw that news story, it was like
he was base. They were basically presented as like these
(22:23):
evil children, like you immediately believed that they It was
such a bias. It was such a weird bias. They
were like, he has and this young one has a
relationship with.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
This guy, as if that kid is somehow perpetuating the
relationship or his fault. Yes' deducing the older man.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, because they're they're basically trying to sell the story
of like these two devil children no one really is.
We all know it's like this guy was in their life.
So clearly Alex was being groomed for a long time,
and you know, it's just the grossest thing. So basically,
when the mom bailed the dad after a little while,
I was like, I can't handle four boys by myself.
(23:03):
So they all got put in, Like Alex went to
a foster home. The twins went somewhere else, and then
the older boy went and lived with the principal of
the local high school.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Now that can't be I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And then he stayed there until like two months before
this murder. So and Alex came back from the foster home.
I can't get any information about what happened, but they
said it didn't like it didn't work out for something.
But we all know what foster homes sure and can
be like so, but Alex was doing good at home
with his dad. Then Derek showed up and then two
(23:36):
months later the dad's murder.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Do we know, did the mom come back for the trial?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, the mom not only came back for the trial
when they they basically were found guilty. I think they
were found guilty of second gree murder.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Or something.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
The mom showed up, they hit him with something and
then set his bondy on baseball bat.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Derek kid him with the baseball bat. Alex said it
was his idea, and then they left the house on
fair because they thought they were going to get rid
of all the evidence.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
If you're going to kill someone and then let their
body on fire, if they don't have charred lungs, it's
clear that they didn't die in the fire.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Everyone.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, you can't just burn somebody. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
It doesn't work that way. And I mean, yeah, I'm
telling people how to get away where yeah, like almost
kill them so that they inhale the smoke when they know.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, I mean yeah, that's one way, but still they
might find stuff on the body.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
You can't get away with killing someone anyways. It's very
difficult to get away with.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Killing some So they also brought the guy up on charges,
all kinds of charges. They had like the aiding and
betting thing, and they had on kidnapping, and of course
like ten counts of molestation. He had already he was
a convicted pedophile.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Of course he was.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
How was he the family friend? That's what I wanted.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
This is why you don't make friends with people at
all ever.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
But so so anyway, they have too, like they have
two trials. The two boys are tried, and then this
guy is Ricky is tried.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We just starts spreading this rumor.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
But they so they try the adult man first and
then steal his the results and so when the boys
are tried, we don't know whether or not that jury
found that guy guilty.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Because it'll influence the jury.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, because they basically were both oh because sorry, So
like three months after they made that confession, then they
got the lawyer. They lawyered up. They basically came back
and said, he did it. We were covering for him,
and this whole thing was his plan and we were
in the trunk the whole time and he did all
of it.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
And he was like nope, yes.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And so that guy's lawyer has to represent a child
molester who is it is being accused of murder by children.
Like the whole thing is so crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That's what I'm saying about defense, Like defense attorney should look.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I wish the idea was for everyone together to look
for the truth instead of making some shit up. Yeah,
or like here's a technicality. And this is why you know,
I can't imagine defense attorneys like themselves that much.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
No, well, it must be really hard, but then there
are there. They're doing it for those people that are
like a few innocent, right, But this guy was so
not innocent. But the weird thing was they didn't convict
him on the ten molestation charges. They didn't like he
They basically brought more charges against him and then like
(26:31):
the thing he finally got convicted for was like was
like holding a minor against their will or something, and
he got thirty five years for it, like the maximum.
That's a lot because the one thing they could make stick. Yeah,
but because those boys had lied and done all that stuff,
it made this guy look better than he should have looked.
(26:53):
And there are a lot of people who still feel
like no one ever heard what really actually happened, because
there's no way that that child molester was just an
innocent bystander in that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Well, when you think about these kids who were twelve
and thirteen but looked really young, does that mean that
how did they hit their dad over the head with
a baseball bat and kill him? That doesn't sound like
something a young looking twelve with thirteen like a slight
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Like that's well, the older Derek is the one that
did it, and he was a little taller and bigger,
but the guy was sitting in like a lazy boy
recliner and so he may have been asleep. He may
just snuck up on them just because they had run away,
so they weren't in the house, they weren't around.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
So they snuck into the house and kill them. And
what's the story with the dad? Was he like a
dick too?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Like was it?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
There's no proof. That's the other thing is that they
couldn't prove anything. They couldn't prove the molestation. Everything was
word It was not word of mouth, but yeah, hears
there or whatever. And the dad, they just said the
dad was really strict and sometimes he would stare at
them and they didn't like it. So I think it
was just like those kids just looked worse and worse
(28:03):
and worse and worse every time they talked about any.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, so it's like the dad was a dad trying
is trying to.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Be Maybe he was a dick, but he was trying,
you know, but who knows. Like And also it was
his friend. This totally the other the child molest or
was his friend. That's the reason that guy was in
their life.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
So who knows, don't you like, do you wonder about
like people we know that You're like, oh, like they're
a child, Like what if they tried to be a
child loster?
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You would never know, you would never know.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Secrets, secrets, And now they're both out of jail. Shut.
They eventually got convicted. The older one got eight years
in jail and the little one got seven. Jesus, and
now they're out and one is like on drugs and
violated his parole, had to go back. They alex the
younger one because he got like into a car accident
(28:54):
or something. It's all just really terrible and sad. Down
the street from here, the no, no, this all happened
in Florida, okay, but then they moved to somewhere in Texas.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I think, damn crazy, so crazy. And also as I
was doing it, I was like, oh, I love the story.
It's so disgusting and crazy. But then there's no real answers,
which drives me nuts.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I want to talk to the mom.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh she came in. Not only did she come in
in the eleventh hour, but she rose O'Donnell hired her
two lawyers for the boys.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Oh really, yeah, why.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Because I think she was afraid they weren't getting like
a fair wow, a fair thing, so she put some lawyers,
Florida lawyers on retainer for that.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah, this is another one of those murders where I
think about it once a month, once every couple months,
because that scenario is just it's just so nightmarish, and
those boys truly didn't have a chance. I mean, if
we're talking about and we have talked a lot about
(30:08):
the why of serial killers, or the why of spree
or just you know, parenticide, don't know what it's called,
and this one is just I remember reading and reading
and reading about it and just being like, this is awful.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, it's one of those stories that it's like, on
the surface, it looks like a one an act that
happened periods these kids, But when you start telling the
story and looking into it and looking into the past
and looking at circumstances, it just gets more and more convoluted,
but also makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yes, in a way globally. Yeah, you look at it,
It's not random. Two boys, which was how the media
would talk about it back then, where it was just
like two boys killed their parents and they're bad and yeah,
exactly when it's like that situation was like, uh, it
actually makes perfect sense coming from that how they got
(31:03):
to where they ended up. So I do have case
updates on this. So Alex King actually died this year
on April twenty third, of a heart attack caused by
a drug overdose. He was only thirty five years old.
He'd been living in Missoula, Montana. He struggled with drug
addiction for a long time. That's something his uncle told
(31:26):
someone in the press. The other brother, Derek King, is
still alive, thirty six years old, lives in Florida, has
a child. Sounds like, sounds like it's, you know, try
to put his life back together. So Ricky Chavis, who
as we heard, was charged with kidnapping and ten counts
of molestation, is now in his mid sixties. He is
(31:49):
still serving his thirty year sentence at this Century Correctional
Institution in Escambia County, Florida. He's already served more than
twenty years for his crimes. He healed the verdict in
the sentence, but they were upheld. He's scheduled to be
released in November of twenty thirty one.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, so now let's go from one that has these
circumstances that when you hear them it makes more sense
as to what happened.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
My story that I tell is not that. It is
just it is confounding and heartbreaking.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, and you know, of course it's hard to talk
about children who murder because the instinct that we have
is always to assume that there was an abuse going on,
that the parents were inflicting some kind of trauma. So
there are also victims, and you know, it's just you
don't ever know these things.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And you want a reason, right, you want something logical
that you can follow to say, I see this all
adds up.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Now, right, But sometimes there isn't. There isn't that, and
it's so frustrating. And also, back in twenty sixteen, we
talked about the victim and perpetrators' looks, and you know,
they're physical appearance, and we don't really do that anymore.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
So just a heads up on that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So Georgia goes second in this episode, and here's her story.
It's about Jasmine Richardson and the Richardson family murders.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
All right, I want to hear my favorite murder I
really do for children who kill their parents. Yes, mine
is the Richardson family murder. Okay, so in medicine hat Alberta, Canada.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I love when Canadians get violent.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
You know, Canadians. I've been noticing from the Facebook group
there's a lot of fun up murders in Canada. Yeah
there are, and yeah it's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I because there's like so much.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It's wide open space totally. And this is Canada's youngest
multiple murderer. Oh she her name is Jasmine Richardson.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Is this the one that's twelve but looks like she's
twenty five?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yes, sorry, sorry, it's good. It's good. Yes, it totally is.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
So.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
In April of two thousand and six, Mark Richardson, who
is forty two, dubb or Richardson, who's forty eight.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And this is a fucking sad part.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I mean it's also but Jacob Richardson, who's eight years old,
I found dead and the daughter, who was twelve years old,
was nowhere to be found. So this is the reason
there's photos of her out there is because at first
she was a missing person. So they splayed her photo
all over the news and like, where's this chick? Turns
out they find her the next day she gets arrested.
She is twelve years old, hot like goth chick dating
(34:33):
a twenty three year old dude named Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Allen steink st E. I m k E, thankye, thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
He's the worst last name of all. No, maybe he
rebelled it because he's like this gross. He's like the
dude that we probably dated in high school. He's like
a gross goth dude who looks like probably wears eyeliner.
He said he was a three hundred year old werewolf
that liked the taste blood. He's like that guy, like gross,
I dated when I was like fourteen and on drugs.
(35:06):
I dated older dudes and I thought it was the coolest.
Like this is what the story interested me too, because
it was like, oh, yeah, I that could have been me.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I mean, I would never have killed my family, but
who knows if you get like pulled in by some weirdo.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, and he kind of it seems like I mean,
it definitely seems like he's the one who the whole
thing on because he said he watched like hours before
the murder, watched Natural Born Killers and was like, me
and my girlfriend are these people were gonna.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Kill your family? So they went in there. The dad.
This is so graphic.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
The dad was stabbed so many times he didn't have
blood in him anymore. Oh my god, I found him.
And then this is the saddest part. Don't listen if
you don't want to hear about children getting murdered, because
I don't even want to. This poor eight year old kid,
she sat up there, His big sister sat up there
with him. She says, she covered his ears while this
his parents got killed in the basement, and then because
(36:02):
she didn't want him to hear it, so it's like, well,
then she also didn't want him to get murdered. But
the guy came up there, the boyfriend, and was like
kill him. So together they kind of.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Killed him, just like disgusting and awful and like insane.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Insane, And it makes me not she's twelve years old,
but it makes me have no sympathy for her anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
No, you know, no, if she could do that sit
with her brother and covers ears or whatever, there's some
modicum of control that she had, or sheally taken him
out the windows totally or something.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Something except and now, man, she's going to community fucking
college and has a job and lives on her own. Oh,
because in you can't be tried and as an adult
when you're under fourteen in Canada for murder. So that
or in the longest you can get is ten years.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
So she was twelve at.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
The time, got ten years, got out early. She's out
the care of a psychiatrist. She expresses genuine remorse. Quote genuine.
I mean I was a little shit when I was young,
but I would but I knew.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
You don't kill your family.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well I don't think it's I don't think it's a
fair comparison.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
You probably being a little shit and a murderer is
all the same thing.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well, yeah, I mean that's true. I wonder what drugs
they were doing. Were they on drugs together?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It didn't talk about drugs, but they had to be
on something. Yeah, oh no, I know.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
So he got three life sentences.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, so she essentially didn't like she only got punished
for a little while.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Punished for a little while. She's going to school.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I was reading a Reddit thing that's like someone was like, yeah,
we I go to this school, and none of us
know who she is, even though there's photos of her
and she looks so much older.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Look up, Josmine Richardson.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
She's like a pretty gothy girl who looks eighteen at
the least at the least, but you'd think that you
could recognize her, but everyone's like we no one can
tell her she is.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Well, you know what, I bet she grew those eyebrows
in sure, she got probably got a nice stencil, an
eyebrow stencil.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Let's say hair is bleached band now maybe bleachwam would
be smart, you know, or maybe she's like the most
square looking person in the world. Now she goes full
J Crew, full Jay Crew. Yeah, that's a good way
to hide. Marcia Clark prom.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Bugged out, Marsha Clark eyes.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, totally spray tan because you're not goth anymore.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And Elsie or or she could be doing mousey brown
hair that almost isn't a color and like John Lennon
glasses and just being like sexless plain, Yeah, like the
person I always think about that of, Like if I
ever wanted to be a spy, I know exactly what
I would wear and like do.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
We don't look like spies you and I know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
You look like an old goth lady who stopped trying
three years ago.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
We would have to go real norm, real normal, not norm.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, we would have to do. It would have to
be light honey, brown box died.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
And also like like cardigan sets, yeah right.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Like and like or maybe just like you just have
a shopping to hit marshals.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
We would have to look like I looked, or like
one would look when you have an office job you
hate and don't want to spend any money on the clothes.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So it's those like buttoned down blouses that like are
roofed at the waist, and then a pencil skirt totally
it's easy to hide in plain sight, cheap shitty boots,
shitty boots, black tights.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
And then your purse is from clearly from payless, like
your purses from payless.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Sure, and then you just got a scrunchy. You've got
all the hair, the permed hair up in a scrunchy,
a scrunch Now it.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Makes shaved eyebrows. And then their pencil back in.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Ooh, that's a bit that almost might seem glamorous, though,
that is I think you grow the eyebrows in.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, it'd be hard for me though.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Okay, flipliner only no lipsticks or.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Just no lipstick, right, no, oh, just no lips. Oh
my god, what what about those people that were all foundation?
Oh yeah, so just foundation. You have like an all
beige face. It's like no conjuring whatsoever, no contouring, no lipstick,
no eye may go. Oh you just got the basics covered.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
The baby, my cat is stoked on this look for me.
He's like, he'll just never leave the house anymore. Wow,
I'm fascinated.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I am too.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I do remember seeing that picture and when I read
that she was twelve, I was like, yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, I don't know how. I was like, that must
be an older photo of her. Nope, that's what she
looked like. And I think she supposedly lie. They maybe
been in a chat in a chat room, and supposedly
she might have been lying about her age, saying she
was fifteen. So he's still a twenty three year old
fucking a fifteen year old.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yes, but also if he's three hundred, he would should
have been able to pick up on that line. Yeah,
if he's been around that much, she thought he would.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Know, and they killed their parents supposedly because they disapproved
of the relationship. Which it's like this, what's bothered me
so much about the whole thing is like, these parents
get killed for parenting. Yeah, that bothers me so much,
Like these parents get killed for something that later in
your life you're like, they were right. But I look
back at my mom and how mad I was at
(41:34):
her and embarrassed I was at certain moments like and
I'm like, oh, no, no, no, you were being an asshole.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
She was parenting.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yes, Okay, So here are some case updates. About three
months after this episode was recorded, in early May twenty sixteen,
Jasmine completed her ten year sentence, which included four years
in a psychiatric institution and then four and a half
years under conditionals pervision. And when I mentioned in the
(42:02):
episode that she was in community college, this was during
her time under community supervision. She's now thirty years old
and living under a new identity. But Jeremy stein Key
is still in prison. He's still serving his life sentence.
He'll be eligible for parole in twenty thirty one after
serving twenty five years of his sentence. And you know,
(42:22):
hopefully that will be denied that parole.
Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah. On the plus side, you can hear Elvis a
lot nowing oh god during that episode.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I mean that actually is kind of sweet that you
could go back and kind of oh yeah, listen to
him anytime you wanted to know.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
And the fact that we still have him nowing there
at every episode, Yeah, all these years later, he's still
being asked if he wants to clicky in. Having him
out at the end of every episode makes me like
want to cry.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, and got to Yeah, he helped us get to
where we are today.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I can't overstate how how much his companionship and loyalty
helped with my mental health. I mean, I would not
be where I am today if I had not adopted
that cat. He was just such a loyal angel.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
He a good boy.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
He would be a good boy, good boy, very good boy.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
But how funny that today I have a dog named Cookie,
named after my sweet boy.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Prayers up, prayers up, every day, full circle.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, very sweet Alvis brought me a cookie at the
very end of it.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Oh all right, So we don't start doing minisodes until
March thirtieth, twenty sixteen. So in these early days we
do hometowns at the end of every episode. That's how
we started blending it together. So here is early days.
A listener from New Zealand wrote in, I mean, who knew?
(43:49):
That's huge and so cool And when we went down there,
of course, legendary tour in Australia and New Zealand. I'll
never forget it, one of the best trips I've ever
been on, Like so amazing that people were so great,
it was so cool, incredible. So here's the hometown Should
(44:10):
we do a yeah emails? Yeah, we have some good
your hometown murders. You guys are really fucking killing it.
You're killing it and so much so. I don't know
if you guys saw, but we got a really nice
review on the av Club that specifically mentioned how good
the hometown murder stories are, how gary they are gonna
(44:31):
rip up your notes.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Right, that's okay, okay, Yeah, you guys are part of
this podcast and we appreciate it. Yeah, so you can
you can email them to us at my favorite Murder
at Gmail.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
You can join the Facebook group.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
It's a private group so people won't see that you're
an insane person that loves murders and.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
You have to ask to join it is that right?
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
You need just need to be approved, and you're being
approved by me and I so far have not not
approved anyone, so it's not scary. And then we also
have a Twitter account, my fave murder fab, so if
you need to go there, you should follow us there too. Okay,
you want to start, sure, let's see. This is the
(45:13):
one I marked. I just I like to lay in
bed and read beats. I know I did the best,
and then flag ones that are like, you know, clear, concise, easy.
So let's see this is one that I flagged. Ooh,
this is creepy.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
So hi, ladies, this is from Mait m Ai t
E Mait Elguletta Elgueta Clavel and I think she she's
originally from Chile, so that's why she has such a
fascinating name Mait All right, so she says, high ladies,
really cool to have found her podcast. I'm originally from Chile,
(45:50):
but I have lived in New Zealand en Z. Yeah
sure for over ten years now, en Z. My husband
and I are really fascinated by old Case doesn't always
talk about it. There's so many here in NZ that
are very interesting and worth mentioning, like the Bain murders
or the Mark Lundy's case, naming them here so you
can have a chance to research a little. But the
(46:13):
one I want to tell you about happened in the
town I grew up and the victim was a student
from my school, so that's one personal connection on the case.
Carla o Yarza was a fifteen year old talented student
and athlete who was found dead at a sports training
park in Orsono, Chile. She had been raped, beaten, and
strangled with her own running tights. On the evening of
(46:33):
December seventeenth, two thousand and eight, Carla and her sister
went for the usual training session at the city outdoor
sports facility. They usually go to training with their dad,
but that day their mom was sick, so the dad
stayed home looking after her, and the girls trained together
for a while, then separated. Carla stayed behind doing extra
labs and her sister went home in parenthesis terrible move.
(46:56):
After a few hours and with no signs of Carlo,
the family members and friends went to look for her,
and among these friends was fellow athlete and former coach
of Carla, Christian Rojo roj El thirty five. He knew
the area very well, so he led the search that
night and also helped the police search the following morning.
He even talked to the media saying that he had
seen her training and have told her that she shouldn't
(47:18):
be on her own, that it was late all red legs,
it was dangerous. Yep, she wrote, I mean, hello, you're.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Just implicating, you're telling everyone that you were there.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, you're getting be so interested. Ye. So Carlo's body
was discovered the following morning at a remote part of
the training field, an area that was covered in really
high wheat grass, a wheat like grass. So, as you
might have guessed, he raped and killed her. And do
you know how he got caught. His wife saw him
coming home that night and jumping in the shower with
his clothes on, as if he was trying to wash them.
(47:49):
She found that odd, and when she heard Carla about
Carla being dead, she checked her husband's wet clothing and
it was covered in dry grass like the wheat grass,
And then she saw something that look like blood, so
she called the police and the blood was matched to
Krylo's DNA. He raped her with a condom, so he
wouldn't get caught. He was found guilty of rape and
first degree murder. Is currently serving a life sentence in
(48:11):
a local prison. He's never confessed to killing her. He
first said that they were lovers in the sex was consensual,
later admitted to have raped her, but insisted he left
her alive.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah right, just just confess at this point. Yeah, good
for his fucking wife. Man, Like, I know, you know,
that's the kind of person that people need to be.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Is like, imagine that moment where you look down and
you see all the Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
I would want to throw up. I would run out
of the house. That's like that moment in sounds of
the lamps where she's like, may's your phone?
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Please? Right? Or you try to act calm, but there's
no way to such.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
A good that's oh, you know. I read an article
recently that was just an interview from the two the.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Mister I don't want to hear or DoD and puts
the lotion on.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
I read an art an article that was just interviewing
the two of them and what their experiences were like.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And it was amazing.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Were they together? No, it was like quotes from with them,
but's so funny. That's a fun I've never heard that
story before. And every time I see mister uh, I
got your dog, every time I see her in anything else, like,
I'm so proud.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
Did you know she was some grays anatomy. Yeah, I
did not realize that article. I was so happy for her.
She's fine, like after that pit residual money. Okay, you guys,
thanks for listening. Follow us in all the places we
talked about earlier and rate us on itube, rate review,
and subscribe.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Subscribe.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
Please do that because that gets us so many more
viewers and listeners like the higher up we get. And
we want everyone to listen to this because we want
everyone to be fucked up in the head.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
We need to share. You know what sharing is caring
it definitely.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
And uh you know, stay sexy, Stay sexy, don't get murdered.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
Bye bye.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
So out of the hometown and onto the title and
the ending, because this is a big one. This is
the very first episode that ends with stay sexy and
don't get murdered.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
This was so off the cuff.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yes, I mean I remember you saying stay sexy, and
I remember needing to say something else, and we had
just gone over such horrific murders that it was almost
just like I felt like we were telling we were
literally telling the person listening how.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
To live their life.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yet and it was definitely stay sexy, yes, absolutely, but
also don't get murder please. Yeah, just like how you
would tell a friend, Yeah, what you would tell a
friend when they were leaving your house at night.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, have a safe flight. It has that vibe to it,
right for sure. I was, of course being incredibly sarcastic.
But we had decided, I think before we started recording,
we need a tag line, like, we need some sort
of We were trying to just like and tighten our
shit up and like be more official. It's like, well,
if now there's you know, if now there's three thousand
(51:00):
people on the Facebook page, we better start treating this
like it's a real show.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, because at the end, I think we're like, okay,
well but goodbye good bye.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
We needed something. We need to end it on something, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
And so then we also named the episode stay sixy
because we were still.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Doing the number puns.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, but Alejandra, our producer, pulled out some lines that
could be what we would name it now that we
do it just onlines that we say in the show.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yeah, so we have adventures into ghost mouths after something
Karen said, hm hm.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Oh that's right. Yeah. Oh there's also arts and crafts Gothic,
which is something Georgia said talking about the house. The
house on the show American Horror Story was available to
be airbnele right crazy.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
I want to spend the night there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
My cat's going to rip up your notes was one
of the options, because literally my cats would have torn
your notes to shreds at one point.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Those cats loved papers. They still do, and they they
loved it. While we were recording the most it felt
like it was like, wait, it was it Mimi. That
was always a little bit like, hey, maybe got over here.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
They both love to shred paper. For sure.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
It was very handy when I was like paying bills
and stuff like that. But not when you like need
sound to sound okay, oh.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Not with that incredible audio that we were doing back
in twenty six.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
I mean, did we invent ASMR. I don't know, it's possible.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
I could say.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I mean, if you if you're relax by ripping paper,
which good.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
I mean cats ripping paper is pretty adorable.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
If that's what you love, this is the show for you.
Uh well, we've done it again.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Do you like reviewing old episodes with us?
Speaker 1 (52:42):
How do you feel about this? We could do it forever.
We could do it forever. Let us know what you prefer.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
If you demand the cancelation of the series, please rate, review,
and subscribe in iTunes.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Please do, and also stay sexy and don't get murdered.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Good baye of us.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Do you want a cookie?
Speaker 2 (53:06):
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