Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 41: Live from EW Popfest - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Nay, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It is Wednesday, and that could only mean one thing.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
It means we're going to recap one of our old
episodes with all new commentary, updates, insights, you know, all
of it anything.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Today we're recapping episode forty one that came out on
November third, twenty sixteen, and at the time we entitled
it Live from EW.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Popfest, So as you can tell, we put a lot
of time into naming this one. For you guys and
for everyone who doesn't know. The Entertainment Weekly. Popfest was
a two day event. It was held in downtown Los Angeles.
There were panels with stars and creators from movies, TV, music,
and podcasts. It was a really fun event to be
invited to because I feel like that was the first

(00:59):
time we were like acknowledged as part of this community.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, and it's Entertainment Weekly, which is a big deal.
That was like, it's like getting invited up to the
big table. I don't know where at a wedding. It
doesn't work that way at weddings, but just like that
kind of like this is kind of the big time.
The people there, you know, stars like Jennifer Aniston, Joe Jonas, TJ. Miller.
They were all there promoting their latest thing. And as

(01:27):
we have talked about on the show, our writer Alison
Augusti and I were writing on a TV show that
was also featured there. So I went there with you
one day that week, and then went back as an
audience member later on to like support the show. So
I had a full three sixty experience.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
What show is it?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was called Making History. I think it's on Hulu
or it's on some streaming platform. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Can I also say about this episode that there's a
photo from this that has been since then on my
like Google image search page that I hate so much
and have hated for fucking nine years because I'm slouching.
I mentioned I have sciatica in it, so I'm slouching

(02:11):
really fucking low. We're in like little director's chairs or whatever,
and that image just like kills me every time I
fucking see it.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Isn't that awful? Yeah, I'm kind of like it's like, look,
pictures are pictures. There's now a billion jillion of them.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I know it's around.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I know that one's always I know. I know that's
like the first eight years for me, I was just like,
this is a nightmare that will never end. Every picture
was worse than the last one, and I'm just like,
let's take a picture. And I'm like, can I get
a fucking leg up here? I couldn't be older, couldn't
be more resistant. I'm from the nineties, where no one

(02:46):
had pictures of fucking anything. Ever, everything is a secret.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I love pictures, and I know slouching so hard. I
could hear my mom every time I look at it
saying sit up, Georgia.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
So please, Janet, could you just give us one EW Popfest?
Can we just got go?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Janet?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Let us up one pop fest?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, let's listen to the intro to episode forty one,
Live from EW Popfest.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Hi, guys, we welcome to day two of EW's Popfest.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
You guys having a good time.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
So far good.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
I hope you guys have been having fun at the
other events and there's still more to come tonight. But
I'm so excited to welcome this next show because it's
actually my.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Personal favorite favorite show.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
And I'm sure I'm hoping there's a lot of murder
retos in the crowd because I own one all right,
so got further ado. I am so pleased to welcome
my favorite murder with Georgia Hartstock and Karen Kilgarth.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
What is this? Where are you going?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
What is this? Where are we?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
This is our stage show? Karen's gonna I'm.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Going to do a song by Jojo right now. I
know you wish you could be outside watching her and
supporting her.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Was that really Jojo?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
It was. I thought you were kidding.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I never joke about Jojo. I can't.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I thought it was like, that's Jojo. No, I don't
know anyone is. You guys are so cute, all of you.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Thank you for Did you have to wait in a
line and stuff for this?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
But so important?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
We're super into that. Yeah, we should have made them
wait longer.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
I mean, I do have to pee, but whatever, do
not do it.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
They're like, ha ha, no, start it now, she's crying,
hurry up and start.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
This is really freakin' rap, guys.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
This is weird because we never sit in chairs like this.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Never not used to being directors of any kind.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Very bright, it's bright.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's cold Antarctica or something.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
No, I'm sweating. Are you really have you noticed that
this entire day. That's like raining. I haven't had a
jacket on.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I have noticed, but I didn't want to criticize you
criticize me.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I'm a fucking nice I'm always hot. What's your deal?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Hold on a second before the murders, Georgia, what's your
medical problem?

Speaker 4 (05:34):
You know?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I mean where do we start? Right?

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I mean, let's start with sciatica and end with chronic
anxiety for fun?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Is Stephen here? Yes?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Ssan Raylauren there? He is sound engineer.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yay, he's blushing.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Uh look at him? Canagare try to grab his mustache?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Is Elvis here? Someone? Do them me out?

Speaker 2 (06:03):
If he came walking up this aisle? How did you
get down here? Uber?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
We always have never Vin scenario out and we say
the word cookie where it's always like, is he gonna
come out here?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, it'll be funny. I was gonna put cross eyed
on this cross eye on this.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Catshirt that I'm wearing. But I didn't, not even, I
just didn't. You just didn't, too sick.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
So I'm supposed to breathe into the microphone all the time.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, definitely exit. That's what Jojo does. She sings a
line she inhales and then it's just a big sigh
of how hard show business is. Oh, this is rough,
you guys, God, we'll get you. Yeah, we're honored to
be here. If you're not sure, if you wandered in
and you're from Denmark. This is the podcast My Favorite Murder,

(06:45):
where we Georgia hard Stark and I care Coal gaff
talk about our favorite murders, tell each other true crime
stories that we like. We don't necessarily say research them
one hundred percent or we're not trying to be experts
of any Most people that are into this stuff really
are experts. God bless their souls. They let us know
when we fall down.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
They sure do, they sure sure do.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well listen, if you're here to have a good time,
then you've come to the come to a place.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
You've come to a really cold, bright place. You might
be dead, which is thematically appropriate.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Do you ever one heard that when you won't start
walking like I was walking up here and I'm like,
this can't be real. I probably did again, chronic anxiety possible.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Although it would be a huge relief.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Then I couldn't do anything wrong. Do you ever get
into a situation and you're like, what's the most embarrassing
thing I could do right now, and like, ya that
you're gonna do it for sure?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
What's yours right now? Well, we were just back, no brag.
We were just back in the U. I like to
call it the Heineken Lounge. It's where they keep it's
like the green room where they keep talent before they
go into there. We don't have to talk to anyone,
so we kind of stood there with our purses on
our shoulders, super uncomfortable. Like, and my thing in that
situation is like, uh, you think you know somebody, so

(08:02):
you're like, hey, that's not them, Like that in the
Heineken Lounge would have been death.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
My thing is they then don't know who I am
that I've met them on un like it just happened.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Actually when I was like hey, and then I had
to go to Georgia, like because I saw the look
on her face. Yeah, and I was like, oh god,
I've been there, but we've met like seventeen times. You
should maybe know who I am.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, but nobody does. That's just I'm not special. No,
and I'm not either. Listen if you're not special, neither
am I.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
But then when someone does see you and gets this
like like Aaron Gibson from a throwing shade care pretty
soon fucking but she saw me and and like opened
her arms and her face lit up, and I was like.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Thank you so much like her. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
She was wearing a lot of eyeshadow though, so maybe
it was just she thought it was someone else.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It was just covering her. She was wearing a lot
of eyeshower in her eyeball.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Once she once she wiped her irises away, she was like, oh,
I don't know you.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's not Liza Manellie. Who the fuck is a Bye.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Cur And Brian Sofie thinks, fucking god, We're like, hi,
We're very kind to me.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, no, you you were, okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I get scared.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's a lot of funny comedians that you told me
that you had news about your dad, but you wanted
to save it until we were doing this.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I did, and I wrote Dad and r V and
here's the reason. Okay, So okay, we're doing the Chicago
Podcast Festival soon and I'm big timing and bringing my
mom and her boyfriend along because they never go on
trips and it's like that's not a thing of they
do and I have a lot of miles from our
credit card from our our wedding.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
That you're going to say have a lot of money,
which would have been so ball or awesome.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I have a lot of miles from the credit card
I opened and the debt I wracked up to pay
for my wedding.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh bless America.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
So I'm bringing them to Chicago like they're staying in
our hotel room. It's not I'm not like big timing
it that much.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
You started the story by saying you were a big.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Time I'm big timing, and by bringing them so they
can see that I that there's a nine hundred seat theater,
and then they'll love me more.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Oh great, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Good? What a great Christmas this is going to be.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
We're Jewish, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
So then I had to tell my dad that I'm
bringing my mom and her boyfriend to the city he
was born in.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I know. And now they're divorced. Right, Oh wait, oh good,
that would be weird too.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I would have been off.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
We also didn't know about.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
My boyfriend or that his marriage had ended.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, like twenty five years ago.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
So I had to tell him that, and I was like,
but you just went to Chicago, right, so it's okay,
And he's like, no, like I thought he had just gone,
so it was going to bring him in. Now it's
like okay. So then he said, all right, well, doim
me a favor. If you go to Las Vegas or
New York. I want to come, So bring him if
we go there. Okay, he's a real party animal. Nice
not true. And then he said, and you know, when

(10:41):
you get really up there, just like a small nice RV.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Trailer, He requested something for if we ever get rich,
like an art.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
A small nice RV. Let's see those don't exist, Marty.
I hate to be the one to tell you. It
has to be three city blocks long.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, he got like he got. He put a fucking
thing in there. And my sister was there, so there's
like a witness that. I said, yes, yeah, no, you're dead.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I know. The funny thing is it's already on the
list when I like daydream about how I'm going to
take care of my parents if I ever you know,
I'm in a lottery.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
I mean in r V is not too bad. No,
that's all he wants. So I well, in a start contrast,
I found out that my dad has listened to this podcast,
which is my fear because my dad, who talks like
a foul mouse sailor, anytime I say even like shit
or something in passing as an over forty woman, He's
always like, I watch it like it's really mad. And

(11:38):
of course on this one, we like we like celebrate
the word fuck, like when I say it as if
our lives depend on it, and I know that would
infuriate him like crazy, So I've never told him how
to find it or what. I'm almost like real vague
about the name.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
When he asks about it, and it's called the fuck
word Murder Pistory show.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
That's right, that's right. So my sister texted me and said,
dad found out we're world because my sister and two
of our childhood friends are also going to Chicago. We're
just making it like a weird clanny event. My sister
and Adrian and Audrey are all going because they love
drinking in Chicago. That's our main reason. That's why my

(12:18):
mom is going to Yeah, so it's going to be
They're going to have a great time. But my dad
found out that they're all going because he told my
sister he tried to listen to the podcast, and when
my sister said, well, you mean you tried to, and
he goes, they talk too much.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
That's what if a podcast was just not talking the
whole time, just.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Like stony silence, like we're in a fight, just like
the Silent Treatment.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yes, our new podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
So if you ever want to be a stand up comedian,
you just need parents who truly are not fans of yours.
That's I would say, that's step one.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
My parents and my grandma, who is like one hundred
and four years old at the time, like gather together
to watch the episode of Drunk History I was on
night and like they loved it and were supported. Like
my family, they don't get the Fuck's.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Not a good time for you to tell me the
story right now. It's not. It's not a right.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
My family loves me so much.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Have a great hankkah or whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
He just wants to picture you as like the sweet
baby angel that he thinks she is.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I think she is.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And I had too many of these plastic cups alive I.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Had that didn't you even have the wine that's last
not fucking green ruey'all, I put one in my purse,
green Room egg. Is it plastic?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
It's totally plastic. She can bring it to a park.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Incredibly in parks are for incredibly hometown.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
And my family knows I'm a fucking landa to.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
They're just glad I'm alive. That's the only thing I
am too. Thank you all?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
All right? Should we get into this? Oh, by the way,
this is for some reason. As I was leaving my house,
I didn't want to bend my papers, and so I
picked up the Mystic Places time life series book that
Stephen got us. I never heard about that. It was
we talked about in the last podcast. And so just
to prove that we are not liars and we don't
lie about gifts or things that Steven gives us or

(14:09):
anything Steven's involved in, except you.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Didn't tell me and I didn't bring mine, so I
might be a liar.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh that's right, that's a cliffhanger. You have to find
on neck up all right, you want?

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, So let's tell everyone our thoughts behind all this.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Oh okay, So since we are at the ew Bulfest,
what is this?

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Where are the Entertainment Weekly podcast?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
We thought we thought it would be cool to do
entertainment murders. Yeah, entertainment based murders. I got a lot
of them murmurs. I knew it would. I knew they'd
murmur we're good.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
So there it was our names being mispronounced the first
you many times.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I mean, that is a funny thing. Oh you. We
just didn't get an award where they misspelled your name
your first name?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
That was pretty funny. I mean, what mistake happen? Whatever, AI,
let's blame AI.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
And I get so.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Nervous when I'm announcing things too that are like I
couldn't I could miss pronounce Smith and be yeah, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, that's exactly the time you second guess yourself, Just
like when you see a friend that you know and
you go to say hi to them, and then you're like,
is his name Steven?

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Or is it Steve?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I definitely know his name, but yeah, if I'm wrong, yes,
I usually just immediately tell the person that that's what
is happening in my brain.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
And they don't usually.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Like it, and it doesn't work and you shouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Don't do it. It's not a recommendation.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
So what's hilarious is that Jojo is performing at the
same time as us. Yeah, and we mentioned because you
can hear it in our little because we had this
little it wasn't a conference room move and it was
like there was like partitions that had been put up
for the festival.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
They had to break up a bunch of conference rooms.
I think it makes them like, what would you say,
there's one hundred people in that room or fifty people
in that room?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Say it was closer to fifty. I'm really bad at that.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, like five across, ten back.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, and then some people standing in the back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah. So it was a small audience of people who
were like it was like a comic con for total
like TV and movie people.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, exactly. So it was very intimate with Jojo pulling.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
With Jojo right next door. Do you want a Jojo update?
Because I do have one for you, Allison. Allison went
and look some stuff up. So I couldn't stop laughing
that I called that it was Jojo like out of
the blue that way, and it then I remembered she
was on and maybe I told the story real time,
but she was on Ellen when I worked on Ellen.

(16:41):
She was literally like fourteen years old and she had
this hit song and she was such a good singer
and she was such a badass and do you remember
that song? It was like she was moving out from
her boyfriend's house or something where like you are literally
in seventh grade, what is happening? So I always loved
Jojo because she really was. It seemed like she was
a real to me, like she had the talent there, Yeah, exactly,

(17:02):
she had the range. So she had taken ten years
off because she got in a big fight with her
record label. So this was her first return to like
entertaining again, which is kind of amazing. This thing that
we were at was this in twenty sixteen, she had
like she stopped performing in two thousand and six. I
love the young women in entertainment who aren't playing the
part of like I Know Daddy. Instead they're kind of

(17:25):
like I've been divorced twice and it's like, no, you
have not. What are you doing like singing those songs? Yeah,
but since that time, she made her Broadway debut in
twenty twenty four in Moulin Rouge. She played Satine. She
also released the same year, she released a memoir called
Over the Influence, which was an unflinching look at her
journey through child stardom, legal battles, and personal struggles.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Damn, I mean like title, I oh, that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Over the Influence Jojo. And then she released a new
EP this year called NGL Not Gonna Lie.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Wow, Karen is a fucking Jojo Siwa? Stan who knew?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
This is entirely Allison going and being like, I'm going
to give you an update for Jojo, but you know
this isn't Jojo, is not Jojo Siwa. Those are two
different people.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Wait, okay, I was worried about that this whole time.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, No, it's Jojosie. Was that blonde girl that's from
like the Disney Channel? This Who's Joe crazy dancer? Jojo
literally looks like she is from the wrong side of
the tracks eyeliner girl. She had that song get Out
when she was like thirteen.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Or fourteen years old, get Out Jojo. Oh my god,
I didn't know that was a two different people.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yes, I thought you were in How many how many
JoJo's could there be on the Disney Channel? Answer is
a ton that's she?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, she kind of looks like, yeah, I like it. Okay,
all right, now I get it. I thought you were
about the girl who said that she invented gay pop
like last year and everyone Jojo wad.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
That see wah yeah yeah okay, I get it now.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Wow. I bet everyone that ever had a hit during
the disco era really disagrees with that.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Oh my god, they were the same person.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I feel like someone's mom who's like, I love that Jojo.
I've been listening and it's like Jojo Siah.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
That Jojo is so talented. She's saying she can dance,
she has every color hair, she's tall, she's short.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
And I'm so embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Who cares?

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Okay, So yeah that was playing now I know.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Now I can picture it, yeah, full detail.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
But it is I think important to say aside from
all that, Like, so we're trying to paint the picture
for you guys of what it was like to do this,
because of course we're honored to do it, but then
once you get there, it's like doing a nooner at
a college where you're like, I'm excited to be making
money as a comedian, but this sucks wild.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
No one knows who I am. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, it's like that audience was happy that we were there,
but they were so quiet that it was just like,
are we just supposed to power through this? And so
that's kind of what we did.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Because there were no my favorite Murder live shows really
yet wherever.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
So I also want to say that in it, I
talk about my mom and stepdad and bringing them to Chicago,
and I did that and it was great, It was okay.
I always told my dad that when I made it,
I would get him a nice little RV, and Vincent
I did stick to our word and we got him
a cute little conversion ban.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
That's all he wanted. We offered him like a real
RV and he.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Was like, no, I want to be in conspicuous when
spending the night in a parking lot.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like, it's just he's living his dream. So he's real.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
He's Jack Kerouac on the road. Yes, that's exactly he's
He's like a poet wanderer man, right.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
But with a lot of desert hot springs involved.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes, it makes sense to me because having driven in
some RV's and some kind of sleeper vans like that,
the van is so much better because you get the
same once you're inside you're just inside and it's a
nice one. It's like smaller because you're warmer. Those big
ones are just kind of like hard to drive.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
They're hard to park anywhere, to drive, to navigate.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, he's take down all the banners, right, every banner
gets ripped down. So let's get into Georgia's story about
Lana Turner. So, do you want to go first this week?

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Who's I think? I'm first? I want to be first
because I'm scared we got the same one and then
we're gonna and then then you're not yours. Yes, nope,
I mean jump right in if we did.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay, does the person that the story revolves around, does
her name start with Lana?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
No?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, Lana Turner. Everyone knows her and loves her.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
What that was like, you're gonna get into clause break
Lana Turner? Mother fuck that? I realized, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
As I realized, I said that maybe nobody here knows
who that is.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
They're under thirty, so it's a possibility. She was born
in nineteen twenty one, so that's a long time ago.
She was just like like film noir actress, like hot blonde,
like bombshell chick who was like the leading actress in
like crazy dark films, right, like noir, like film noir,
noir film.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
So you were translating it from the French into just
dark for the American darkest for this American.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Film, noir means dark as fuck. She was discovered in
nineteen thirty seven, and this is like probably bullshit, right,
but like the story is that she was sipping at
coke at the counter at the top Hat cafe, bullshit
on sunset. Bouleivard and the founder of the Hollywood Reporter,
which I just realized might be competition with Entertainment Weekley.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
You can see that name like giving us the cutoff sign.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Just goes dark in here and then when it lights
come up, we're gone. It's super hot all of a sudden.
So I mean, come on, is that true? She's eating
a fucking no sandwinch.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
No, those are all lies, that's all publicist shit.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
She was like, I don't want to get gross or
do I Okay, So she was sixteen apparently signed of
a contract at Warner Brothers. And then she became and AJA, knew,
do you guys hear that loud music through the wall?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I know it's just you.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh, Okay, blonde bombshell leading actress, reputation as a glamorous
fem fatal fatal.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
No, I wasn't correcting you, no, but you were right.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
She was nummated for an Academy Award in nineteen fifty
seven for Peyton Place. What I'm saying is big time,
you know what I mean, like gorgeous, big time. While
she kicked at well, she kicked ascid her career, I wrote,
she sucked at relationships.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Oh no, we all been there, lady.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
She dated a lot, changed partners often, and never shied
away from the topic of how many lovers she'd had
in her lifetime.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
And then I wrote, which is.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Fine for men, but if a woman does it, it makes
everyone uncomfortable. Bullshit fucked the paid you know. And then
she said, I kind of want to make you read
her voice.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Are you good? Okay, we've writing here in quotes all.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Those years that my image on the screen as sex goddess. Well,
that makes me laugh. Sex was never important to me.
I'm sorry if that disappoint but it's true. Romance, yes,
romance was very important, but I never liked being rushed
into bed and I never allowed it. I would put
it off as long as I could, and I gave

(24:12):
in only when I was in love or thought I was.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Which again I take about.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Jojo.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
I actually put a lot of quotes in this just
so you so so if I could do it, I
should have had you prep your.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Voice before that.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
If I get discovered at e W pop fat, Oh
my god, eating a tune of fish so much of
the Countess, you can do the boy thank you, which
again is bullshit.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
She fucked immediately probably and then dated them. And it's fine.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
It's listen, fucking get to do what you want. Is
the idea.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Like she she can be like I'd like.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
To screw, but only when I like, if I if
I like, if I have romance, if I if i'm
I never allow it, allow it.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
It's fine. That was my diadras.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
She's dead.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
It doesn't matter about you.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Just oh sorry. Spoiler alert fuck spoiler alert. She gets
murdered at the end of this.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Oh she doesn't is that disappointing? Oh does she murder someone? No,
you don't know the story. Oh I'm excited. Oh great,
I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
All right.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Nineteen forty two, marries her second husband, actor and restauranteur
Joseph Stephen Crane. They have a daughter, ended up being
her only kid, Cheryl Crane in nineteen forty three. Then
they divorced in forty four, and then I wrote, Okay,
now this story gets dark. Great you ready for this?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Her fourth husband was actor Lex Barker, and she married
him in nineteen fifty three.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
And then in Cheryl's memoir.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Detour a Hollywood Story, which came out way later, Cheryl
Crane claims that Barker the husband repeatedly molested and raped
her news, saying that at age ten, he lured her
into the sauna, which sounds like a nightmare to begin with.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
That's like with your stepdad and the fucking sauna and.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Just kind of saunas anyway, because yeah, have you ever
gone to like the one at Burke Williams and then
the door closes and you're like, what if it locks forever?
Separate from a creep being in there with you?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Just a girl who died in the cryogenic freezer. Oh yeah,
that's right, what a fucking nightmare.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's a different episode.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Sorry, yeah, told her it was that.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Oh God, it's like, how gross do you want me
to get he exposes he himself to her in asana
like sweaty, dick, it's just guy, Like, what a pervert,
perverted sweaty.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Then he starts raping her a lot.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
But when uh Lana Turner found out about it, she
held a gun to Barker's head while he slept and thought.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
About killing him. She didn't, and in the morning she kicked.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
His ass out, which is great because a lot of
times back then they were like, you're a lying liar. Yeah,
you know what I mean, I love Yeah, they divorced,
but to avoid scandal, no criminal action was taken against Barker.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Fuck that shit man.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, that's old Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I mean, that's fucking current Hollywood. Probably too.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Let's not talk.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Oh, actors are the best of Hollywood people.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
It's so fun and light.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Oh and they never worked again.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Our last appearance was an e W podcast Johnny sixteen.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
So she's okay.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
So Cheryl is thirteen and her mom starts dating Johnny Stampanado.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, I'm like a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
No, not at all. You're wrong. Does he have a
big white suit like like Stampanado?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Like, is he in talking heads?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Is that like kind of thing or like he looks like,
why can't I think of his name? Who's the guy
that hosts family Feud?

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Steve Harvey probably looks like that.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
The audience never likes a joke if they're the ones
that had to provide the punchline. I've learned that over
the years. I think you're lazy, uh huh, but we're
not and crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
We've just I've just yeah, I've pickled my brain.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
White wine.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, tell me about Johnny Stampanado.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Well, he was a here.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
He's a body ard for Mickey Cohen, the famous gangster
bad guy, and he was an enforcer for the crime family.
So in case you guys don't know, Mickey Cohen was
like a hardcore gang gangster, like gangland gangster, and in
her memoir, Cheryl describes him as a.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
B picture good looks, thick set, powerfully built, and soft
spoken and talked in short sentences to cover a poor
grasp of grammar, and spoken deep baritone voice with friends.
He seldom smiled or laughed out loud, but seemed always coiled,
holding himself in, had watchful, hooded eyes that took in
more than he wanted anyone to notice. Shary Aaron Gibson

(28:37):
is like than her mother Lana's apparently. Yeah, I'm doing
all different characters today.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I love it, thank you.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
So he is a jealous, abusive man and one time
he got super pissed because Lana was filming.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Another time, another place.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
In London with Sean Connery, who like, ma'am, he's hot.
He's hot back then and he got super jealous, like
showed up in London and then they got in a fight.
He choked her and she had a miss three weeks
of filming because her fucking vocal cords are screwed up.
Oh wow, Like he's a fucking dick. Well, I'm off ya,
they're serious.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
He later shows up on set with a gun and
threatens her and and Connery, motherfucking Sean Connery overpowers him,
grabs the gun and beats his ass, sends him fucking
running from the set.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Sean Connery, Sean Connery. Next month on Entertainment Weekly.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Let's see and then later but then later he holds
a razor blade to Lana Turner's face and says that
he'll disfigure her and like end her career.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
So he's a fucking.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Dick back in la Uh Lana Turner tells Cheryl her
daughter is thirteen. Ready it, Wana Turner.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I'm going to end it with him tonight. Baby, It's
going to be a rough night. Are you prepared for it?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Super chill?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
That's someone's mother, Yeah, like send her to fucking I'm
trying to watch TV. Get out of here.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
But would they be watching back then? Like Dick Van
Dyke my mother.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
The car there you go dead silence like it. I
don't know, it's funny thought I made it up. Yeah,
this isn't that from Arrested Development.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
It okay. When she's when she so Sampanano Sampinado comes
over and when she told him it was over, be
ready again. You want me to start going, I'll go.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I'll do it. You do it, he grabbed me.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
By the arms and said started shaking me and cursing.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Very badly, and he's saying bye.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
If I if he said jump, I would jump. If
he said hop, I would hop. And if I had
it to do anything, this is why I had you
do it and everything he told me. He cut my face,
O cruffle me, and if I went beyond that, he
would kill me and my daughter and my mother I'm
this is why I am. This is why you're the
actor of the family.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Anytime you're doing a voice halfway through, you want to
give up. Just power through. Okay, that's my advice, all right,
I guess. But here's what I love. He said. If
I say jump, you'll jump.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
And if I say how that's a hip hop song,
isn't it. If I say it jump, you say what
I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Why doesn't he pick other stuff that's different than jumping
and hopping? Like he could have total control over this woman.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
If I say give me all your money, you give
me all your money, yeah, or just shut up for
a while, yeah, But instead it's hopping and jopping and jumping.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Sounds exhausting. Take a nap.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
So she breaks away and says, don't ever touch me again.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I am. I am absolutely finished. This is so bad.
This is the end, and they want to get you out.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
And then she says, I was walking toward the bedroom
door and he was right behind me, and I opened
it and my daughter came in. I swear it was
so fast. Truthfully, I thought she had hit him in
the stomach. The best I can remember. They came together
and then they parted. Wait a second, I still never
saw the blade. The daughter killed Johnny's Stampinado. Wait did

(31:55):
you guys know about this? What the a thirteen year
old thirteen years old old fucking stands.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
At the bedroom door.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
She had come in earlier because she heard her mom
getting beat up and her mom was like, please go
back to your room, like I'm fine, this is taken
care of, and she said she doesn't remember going down
to the kitchen and grabbing a butcher knife, and she
stood by the door and begged her mom to let
her in. Finally the mom lets her in, and she
fucking barrels past Lana Turner and stabs him in the

(32:24):
fucking gut and then he let's see what let's see,
oh single time in the abdomen, slicing his kidney and
it struck the vertebrae and twisted upward, puncturing his aorta.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Whoa, she fucking went for it. Wow, badass little bitch.
And there's photos of her and she says like cute.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Cheryl in tafida, Cheryl cherryl She fucking defended her mother.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Shit, I mean right, she was.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Like, where why didn't she get displeen in there while
she was she hits so many key she knew how
to step.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Like it's not just the thing, it's like a fucking thing,
you know, it's like a ripping.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
But also there's to me, the first thing I think
of is like, this is a child who's been put
in danger by these men, strange men that keep coming
into the house because of the mother, and the mother
isn't safe and she's got to fucking like take action.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
But it's also.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Probably this crazy thing of like, you know this mother
who you keep seeing making these mistakes that are affecting
you as well, And you're gonna prove to your mom
how much you care about her, right like that you
will do anything to take.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Care of her.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, you know this like sad woman who had had
to be like through the industry and taken advantage of
and bullshit at the having a coke at the counter,
like she probably went through a lot more shit. Y
oh yeah right, Or she wants to she wants to
take care of her mom.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I just like the woman get serious. There's some gorgeous
house music to play behind her. I mean, I wonder
if it's just set that mood. Yeah, this is very this.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Is actually, Yeah, we become an NPR podcast where there's
like it's very there's music in the background all the time, music,
and it's like it, yeah, a lot jojo singing in
the background. So she fucking oh, you're dancing a little bit.
I thought you were pointing at me to like fucking finish.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Can you go on?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
So she fucking stabs him, and there were all these rooms,
like there are all these like you know, everyone who
likes to do ah, what's it called? When you have
these conspiracy theories, conspiracy theory that Lana.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Turner actually you know, sometimes you gotta work through it
on your own.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, found it out, Yes, make it come to you.
Conspiracy theories that Lana Turner actually killed him and like
made her daughter take the blame because she was thirteen
or fourteen and she wouldn't get as much trouble. But
then let's see, so the police arrived, Cheryl admits to
the stabbing, she's taken a juvie, and then there's a
coroner's interests in nope, in quest and in it. So

(34:56):
there's like basically a trial to see if she should
go to trial, I think is what it was. Because
she's a minor and mobster Mickey Cohen, who was fucking
big time like.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
And this is when I invent Las Vegas. Yeah yeah,
and this is like when when you know that's Bugsy Siegel? Right, yes,
anyone anyone in the mafia here today? Anyone? Well, no one.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
They murder me at the end of this big time
guy like, and this is when Hollywood and the mob
were kind of, you know, they needed each other in
certain ways, and so they were commingling. But he was
the person who I identified Johnny's body at.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
The morgue, So he had to testify.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Can you imagine having like being a lawyer who's about
to fucking question a huge Yeah, he's like later days.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
But sorry, go ahead, no, go ahead. Well, I was
just gonna say, was he there to like speak against
Cheryl or they were just there to kind of state
the facts.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I think that they I think that the mob was
pissed off that she that that they well, let me
tell you what happened. Okay, So Lana Turner testify and
it's like in the in her best role yet she
explained what happened that night, which insinuates that she's fucking lying, right,
you know. And then so she testifies, and that's where
all those quotes come in that you read earlier, so brilliantly,

(36:12):
thank you, you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Then they the jury takes less than half an hour
and decides that Johnny Stompinado's death was a case of
justifiable homicide. And so all these gang members are fucking
pissed about that, and that they say that Cheryl is
acting on a fear for her life and that and
for that of her mother, and they found that she
is justified in using deadly force to stop him. And

(36:36):
everyone was like, someone said, this is the waldest.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I'm trying hard to ignore it.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
When the fucking background music is louder than the laughter
of the crowd, there's a problem.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well the back of my head is shaking. So yeah,
I'm not a lot we can do.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, I mean just life.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
So they were like, this is the first time someone
has been convicted of their own murder, that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
They were pissed off about it.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Eventually, the family of Johnny Sueslana Turner for wrongful death.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
They settle out of court.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Which I always wonder like when you settle out of court,
that kind of implies your guilt or does it imply
that you just didn't want to go through this huge,
crazy trial. I mean they're like, give me two grants,
like two hundred thousand dollars. How much is a lot
of money?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. I mean I think it
could just be whatever. It's like, either you're not gonna win,
or you don't want to keep paying for a lawyer.
There's all kinds of reasons to do that.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Basically, give me some money, which makes sense. I mean
if he was.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Bringing money home for his mother and she's like, I
don't have the source of income anymore. Yeah, but also
you were maybe molesting my daughter. So it comes out
later in Cheryl's memoir, and she was quiet about it
for years and years and finally came out with a
memoir that details her molestation by her fucking the second
husband and says that Johnny was molesting Oh no, I

(37:57):
know that Lana Turner did it, but she she takes
the blame completely.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Cheryl does.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, Cheryl takes the blame completely. She had stabbed him
and also that he had been abusing her sexually. M hm.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
But this fucking bad ass bitch, she had some trouble
years at a teen, like went to a like insane
asylum and like was sent to you know, boarding school
and all this shit, and was going very badly for her.
And then she she tried to commit suicide a couple
of times and then got her shit together and she
became a successful.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Businesswoman and real estate agent.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
She fucking kicked ass had and then ended up having
a really close relationship with her mom, her mom names.
She came out of the closet and her mom completely
want to turn her, supported her.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
She's been with this woman for you know, decades, and
she's this fucking awesome, crazy, awesome bitch who fucking killed
her mom's abuser.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Right, that's so badass. So that's fucking it.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh, I know you, that's a rare The applause rarely
happens in my living room.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
So this is so weird.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
It's very satisfying.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Steven will get like do a silent clap and then
and Elvis knows when like the last person goes yes,
but he doesn't, Yeah, he'll come out of the bedroom
for that.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I just like watching you throw down your papers in
total mash victory, you know, legal and otherwise, I don't
even know if like that was a good story, but
I just act like it. It absolutely was, thank you.
I mean, what a story that is. It is one
of the craziest kind of murder story, Hollywood murder stories

(39:33):
there is, I would.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Say, really heartbreaking in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
But yeah, more so because that audience just didn't respond
to us in any way, jape or form.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
They gave us nothing, and it was almost like a
dry run for like the bigger shows, because we expected
nothing in that Chicago show.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Oh really, It's like we paid every one of our
dues at the EW pop fast and then we got
to go on to just have Beatles style receptions time
we walked on.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Did you know who was in the front row from
the very beginning cheering us on? Stephen Ray Morris? Of
course Stephen from the beginning. And I'm sure he laughed
solo because he does stuff like that. He's not afraid
to laugh when other people aren't. It's like, so try
to be the laugh starter.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, because he's like a regular comedy comedy fan, so
he knows like.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, how important it is.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, so that his job.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yes, Steven sent me a text the other day and
it had like five crows. There was a did you
did he send you this? That was a flat screen
TV that was sitting in the gutter, and then like
five crows just sitting in front of it. And he
took a picture of that and said to me and said,
these crows are watching TV. It's like Stephen, Stephen, we

(40:47):
spent like seven years of our lives together in the shit.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I love it well. I have some case updates. Surprised
me since it's such an old case. Good.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
We should really focus on what we're here to do.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Should we.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
I don't think I ended the story very well. So
in February of twenty twenty four last year, author Casey
Sherman released A Murder in Hollywood, The Untold Story of
Tinseltown's most shocking crime, which revisits the circumstances surrounding Johnny
Stoppanano's death. Sherman suggests that Lana Turner, rather than her daughter,
which this was a theory, Cheryl, may have been responsible

(41:20):
for the stabbing, challenging the long accepted narrative gotta blame
somebody totally, and people are like, there was mixed yeah
opinions about that, so that's a book you can read
if you want a murder in Hollywood and then Also,
Cheryl Crane has occasionally participated in documentaries and interviews providing
her perspective on the events of nineteen fifty eight. Notably,
she contributed to the twenty sixteen documentary Lana Turner.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Oh, I'm not going to be able.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
To say that Lone de Tournable.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, anyways, it offers insight. Just look up Lana Turner.
It offers insights into her mother's life and the infamous incident.
She's eighty one years old now. She lives in Palm
Springs with her wife, Joyce, partner I mentioned in my
story like bless her.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I hope she's living her very best life and loved one.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Like old people have retired to Palm Springs. It's such
a it's such a nice place for people, totally totally
so fancy.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Maybe my dad can park his r V outside of
their Yeah, he can.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Get out there, that's the Low's parking lot and make
some friends.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Yeah, all right, now it's time for this story that
I totally forgot about until I listened to this episode.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
This is Karen's story.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I mean, it's actually funny that we both did stories
about children and these murderous circumstances. It's not weird because
it wasn't supposed to be like that.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
No, I think, but we were doing like Hollywood stories,
and I think maybe it's that thing of like what
you know in any kind of fucked up family. Yeah,
it's like people that aren't doing it well.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
And then yeah, it's like instillar in a way more
than it's.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Just Hollywood to have like an old lady that won't
leave her son alone and like you must bring me
my pills, don't join a bowling league.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Oh my god. Okay, So here's Karen's story about the
Wasp Woman.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Mine is also about a starlet, but she was no
Lana Turner. Mine is the story of the Wasp Woman.
Does anybody here know that one? Well, then nobody does.
And I'll tell you for a second, it looked my
parents was gone, and I'm just like, how am I

(43:36):
gonna lie my way through the facts of the first
page where everything made up?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Make it up?

Speaker 2 (43:44):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I told you that facts don't exist.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
We uh, just a sidebar. I just saw a clip
we were on a local news and Sacramento news story
about because we did the story of Dorothea Point, who
is an old lady who killed all the people in
her boarding house. And for some reason, I think it's
because it's almost Halloween, the Sacramento Local News did a

(44:08):
story on They just kept going, uh a podcast. They
like didn't use the name until they absolutely have Oh.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah, Oh is that because they didn't want to say murder.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
I think they were.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Being rude, but they were No, they were just mostly
they were focusing on them on the story of Dorothea
Puante's close to us. But they were saying like, oh,
it's my number. I gotta go five six seven eight?
Do you really love?

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Oh, we didn't tell you we created a five six
seven and what and too and.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Improv dance. Why was I bragging about that? Because? Oh
because because as I watched the clip, they start talking
and then I realized, like this is there's a woman
behind a news desk holding papers about to talk about
the story we did. And I was like, oh God,
I hope this is right. Like honestly, were like it was.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Actually they didn't find a dead person, didn't It was
a man named Don who was a Holly very nerve
wracks anyway.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
All right, so my story is the Wasp Woman murder,
and this is the death of a woman who was, essentially,
if you had to boil it down, a B movie star.
Her name is Susan Cabot. I'm assuming it's Cabot. It
could be Cabot. I hope it's not. Cabot sounds right,
Cabot looks and sounds right, and she essentially the background

(45:36):
on her it's it's just gonna be there the whole time.
But what if what if we listened and it was like,
oh my god, it's one direction and we had to
drop our mics and run out there. Everyone follows you,
guy abet Anthemy. You know. I got most of my
information for this story from an article by a guy

(45:57):
named James Marrison who writes on Criminal Element dot com,
which was a really good article that I ripped off
and uh given credit. It's yeah, exactly. So basically, here's
what happened. On the night of December tenth, nineteen eighty six,
the police got a call from forty six to oh
one Charmi and Lane in the San Fernando Valley Anyone Valley.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Represent Alie Bally it's where parents hipster parents.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Two people are like, yeah, I man, sorry, we had
a kid in house. So the call her breathless, breathlessly
identified himself as Timothy Roman, and he said that a
burglar had broken into their house and attacked his mother
and himself. Paramedics arrived four minutes later, by which time
Timothy was waiting for them calmly outside the front door,

(46:48):
and he told the two EMTs that he had been
attacked and that his mother was in her bedroom and
he believed that she was also injured.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Let me guess he only had cuts down the left
side of.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
His body where he had as a right, Yeah, fucking.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Asshole, give him a chance.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
We don't know anything about him yet. So the amts
went into the back and his mother had been beaten
to death with a weight, a bar, a dumbbell. And
his mother was the movie star Susan Cabot. Uh she
Now I transition into her. See I tried to I

(47:26):
try to make this like good storytelling, where like that's
what happened, but then here's the person. But then I
already started talking about her at the beginning. So it's
now we're back to this part. God damn it, Karen,
that's what we You know Susan Cabot from such films
as The Enforcer, The Prince who was a Thief, The
Battle of Apache Pass, The Duel at Silver Creek, The

(47:47):
Viking Women in the Sea, Serpent sort of any of
these all your favorites from the fifties that you love
so much. She was also on Machine Gun Kelly with
Charles Bronson, but i her biggest role in the one
she's known best for is a nineteen fifty nine film
called The Wasp Woman, where she was the lead and
she played an agent cosmetics executive named Janie Starlin who

(48:12):
unwisely injects herself with a rejuvenating serum derived from wasp enzymes,
and it turns her into a lustful, murderous queen Wasp. Now,
if you have seen this, it's fucking amazing because they
basically The Fly came out, and The Fly was a
huge hit. So Roger Korman was trying to make a

(48:33):
movie and basically get some of the action off the Fly.
And so when Susan Cabot turns into the Wasp Woman,
it looks like she just pulled a black pantyhose over
her head. That has like two legs eggs on either
side for eyes and like, honestly, pipe cleaners. I don't

(48:54):
think anyone here knows what legs eggs are legs eggs.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
One person is so hi.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
There used to be pantyhose that came in eggs. I'll
tell you about it later. Just super cheap, be very
funny though when you see now, like I kept pulling pictures,
I kind of want to pass my phone around. But
it's just it's like there's one picture where it's like
her clearly turned to the screen like this, except for
there's no there's no definable features. It's just these these

(49:24):
like these really bad pipe cleaner antenna and then these
big weird eyes. Oh and like kind of fans. It's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
They spent the whole budget on crafty and then they
were like, let's just fucking throw this thing together.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
They were like Susan insisted on getting blue cheese, and
now you can't afford a wasp outfit.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
She wanted plastic cups of wine.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
She had to get her wine cups. The poster from
that time, as they used to do, like the illustrated posters,
and it's the thing I hate the most. It's a humongous,
like giant wasp that's bigger, you know, that looks like
it's the size of a bus and it's attacking them. Man,
But the wasp has a woman's face with a bunch

(50:03):
of makeup on it, And that's I hate that the most.
When when like horror movies or whatever, put a human
it's basically saying, I've turned into a wasp, but my
face is still here. That's the worst because that wouldn't happen.
Well it wouldn't, but also what if it did, then
there's your weird face that you took your wasp arm
to put lipstick on, and shit like this face has

(50:25):
so much.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Makeup on you can't go out without Mike.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
You can't, even if you're a wasp. So all right,
so this is the movie she's best known for. I'm
just saying, keep it in mind.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
She also was She was gorgeous and very petite, and
she dated tons of people, which is her prerogative. Bobby Brown,
one of which was a King Hussein of Jordan.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
He dated around, didn't he.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I think he dated a few actresses?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. He looked he had a
kind of Clark Gable equality, and I think he hung
out in la and and.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
He dated her.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
She actually drove Princess Margaret's Bentley like he I think
he set her up and kind of like made sure
she had a great life after her b movie career
was kind of fizzling. But then he broke up with
her when he found out she was Jewish. Sorry, yeah,

(51:25):
are you fucking no? I'm sorry, I'm sorry? What have
I just started vomiting? Also, do your homework, like what okay?
The romance Wikipedia back then you gave her like the
most expensive car there is. It should have been real.
But no, anyway, a lot of anti Semitism in Hollywood

(51:46):
and Jordan, apparently, even.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Though we fucking created Hollywood. No one's laughing. True, that's
not funny, it's true.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
So when the paramedics went inside, they found what would
be a classic quarters episode inside the Cabot's house. It
had been Susan Cabot, her and her son, and they
had been living in this house where they said there
were garbage bags in every room, newspapers and magazines stacked

(52:16):
in toppling piles along corridors, rotting food everywhere, dead rats
floating in the pool, and they had ten dogs. I
was going to do dogs and I live like a
goddamn bomb. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I was going to say that I would pay to
go through that because what year was that? Eighty seven? Oh,
I would pay, like I would want to see all
her weird shit, she say.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
But then the end kind of bummed me out. And
so I'm good, Yeah, you don't want to go to
the state sale, but only after they cleaned it up.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
This is state sale. Once they cleaned it up, there'd
be nothing left. It'd be like wood beams, and they'd
be like, do you want do you need wood?

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I'm good?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
So the uh. When they get back to the bedroom,
they find Susan Cabot lying dead on her bed, dressed
only in a purple vane nightgown. Somebody remembered that it
was purple. Yeah, blood everywhere, A large arc of it
was sprayed on the bedroom mirror near her bed. There
was sweat, an arc of blood. Oh, blood spatter. There's

(53:13):
blood spatter on the ceiling above her prone body, and
further bloodstains on the floor and on the bed. And
the killer had covered Cabot's face and head with a
piece of bed linen before bludgeoning.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
A heart of death, which we all know what that means.
Uh can't it's personal?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Oh right, I just wanted someone to answer, Oh, sorry,
it means they're Jewish. What stop it?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Stop saying that word getting very anti semitic.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Underneath that piece of linen, her face was all but unrecognizable,
so overkill. He beat the shit out of her face.
So now now they come back out and they're like, Tim,
what happened? And he's like, you will not believe this.
I woke up a ninth third I hear my mom
being attacked in her bedroom. So I go to the kitchen.

(54:06):
As I'm reading, I'm like, hmmm, as you do. You
should have said you least stuck your head in. But
he went to the kitchen where he found a ninja warrior.
Are you? I was waiting for the other thing. They
always blamed it on black people, Oh, a black person, Yeah,
well he kind of what he said. There was a
ninja who was a Latino. Yeah, come on, I see

(54:31):
it's a white person, and they'll believe you every time. Well,
so he said he fought with the ninja warrior, the
curly haired Mexican ninja warrior in the San Fernando Valley.
But the guy knocked him out, and so then that's
then when he woke up, he called George.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
They were just there to kill the old woman hoarder,
like they didn't want to kill him, No, no, no,
they just wanted to knock him out and then terribly
murder her face.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
You know how ninjas are, So of course the police
are like something smells fishy aside from the twelve bags
of garbage in every room of your home. So then
as they talk to him more and more, I think
they bring him in and then his statements to become
increasingly inconsistent, of course, and his wounds are overtly self inflicted.

(55:25):
And when he was asked about his relationship with his mother,
he described it as very close his mother, and he
talked about everything he told investigators, including intimate sexual matters.
Red flag right. Well, I mean, why what kind of
breakfast are you having? That that's the conversation.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
How is your night?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Well?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
I fucked so many people. Mommy, pass the ketchup ketchup
on eggs, murderer. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I love them just like trash. So when the questioning
was over, he for he was formally charged with his
mother's murder. He demanded that he'd be taken home to
collect some medication and that he needed that he needed,
and there, without any prompting at all, Timothy led the
detectives to the murder weapon. So in his room he
had they had those ten dogs, four of them were Akidas,

(56:21):
that were his dogs. And when the paramedics got there,
they were in his room going crazy, like wouldn't stop barking,
going insane, so they couldn't go into his room. Well,
when they bring him back after his question at the
police in the police department, when they bring him back,
he brings them into his room and that's where he
put the murder weapon, so that he put the dogs that, like,

(56:41):
it's all a little bit convenient of we couldn't go
in there because those dogs were going crazy. Actually, here's
a bloody dumbbell that I killed my mother with and
a scalpel.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Oh yes, so adopted those dogs after this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
No, they they had such a great life. There was
a farmer that came into the San Fernando Valley huh huh,
and they live forever see and where they.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Are today.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
The old really smelly dogs. Oh they're like I saw murdered.
I'm all crazy. Now I'm gonna eat your ankle. Okay.
So here's my favorite part. And this was something that
the paramedics noticed when they got to the house. Is

(57:32):
when they were walking up to the front door, they
thought it was a thirteen year old boy that was
standing at the front door, and then when they got
up close, they realized he had a he had old face,
which some of us have, and it turned out he
was twenty two, okay. And this situation was that Timothy
was born with pituitary dwarfism, and so he the way

(57:55):
he was born, he should have only stood four feet tall.
But his mother got him on an experimental drug program
that's always chill uh huh, and it worked well for
her in the movies. So he had been taking experimental
growth hormone for fifteen years and he grew to be
five foot four. But the problem was that this experimental

(58:21):
growth hormone was something that doctors had come up with.
It was derived from the pituitary gland of cadavers, so
they were basically injecting him with the hormones from dead bodies.
And later on this was actually it was the National

(58:42):
Institute of Health. It was like a program that they
had set up for children that were born with dwarfism,
only to then realize because it was an eight year
program that they had treated seven hundred children with this
growth hormont who suffered from growth hormone deficiency. They gave

(59:03):
them this this uh, you know, maubin or whatever, this treatment.
And it turns out that, as we all know, when
you use old blood from dead bodies or old you know,
growth hormone or whatever, that's one of the major ways
you can get kruts Felt Jacob disease, also known as
mad cow fuck no way, yes, So.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Keyword hair is experimental, Like why would you let your
who in here has a child?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Nobody?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Why would you let your kids? So many questions. Well,
but this is the thing where it's like she is
a baby born with dwarfism. As if that's unacceptable, she
starts putting him on this program that essentially you know,
and his defense lawyers were like, he was a human experiment.
And when you have the mad cow thing part of

(59:59):
part of the dementia, your personality changes, You have mood swings,
you don't know where you are. A lot of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Sounds like it's like get hit on the head or
being an experimental, experimental fucking dead blood.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
This has to go into the into the triangle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
It can't be a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
They're there, dude, they're there. Keep your eyes peeled church them.
So then it was revealed I didn't mean to do
a dramatic pause. I lost my place and I thought
I would use it. Then it was revealed that Susan Cabot,
when she put it together that this pituitary gland hormone

(01:00:36):
that her son was taking, Uh, she thought maybe that
would make her look young, so she started injecting it
in itself too. So they were both taking this this
drug that was making them insane. Who'd have thought that
a horder would be crazy? I need and have bad
ideas about what to inject into their body. So uh

(01:01:03):
age nine. So basically he stood trial in May of
nineteen eighty nine, and his legal defense put initially put
in a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity,
and they just basically said that the psychological symptons symptoms
he suffered from extreme change and personality dementia, loss of

(01:01:27):
ability to think clearly and memorily loss combined with his
mother's behavior because apparently she was just sitting in this house.
It was it was actually like and the guy that
writes this article, it's a really good article, he equates
it to like Sunset Boulevard and all those there's you
know a lot of movies where it's like the old
aging actress that can't let go of her beauty and

(01:01:48):
her fame like stopped in time, yes, and like basically
locks herself in a house and like goes insane then
tries to get people to come in the house with her. Well,
that's actually what Susan Cabot really was doing with her son,
but in like the super bummer hoarder's way.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Like not in a charming interesting naviar No.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
No cavear being served here uh old tuna fish cans
probably and the way I've pictured.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
The cans are being served not even chew on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
An old can.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
We're out help yourself? Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
So uh essentially her uh Timothy's tutor came and testified
at the trial and said that Susan frequently screamed at
her son for no reason, and then when Roman failed
to take his medication, Like he didn't shoot himself up.

(01:02:41):
He literally couldn't add two numbers together, so they were
it was weird, like they were basically on this drug
together that made them insane. And that apparently what he
ended up Timothy ended up saying was the night that
he attacked his mother, he doesn't remember doing it. He
doesn't remember going to pick up the barber or any
of the other things he used to bludgeon her to death,

(01:03:03):
but that she would not stop screaming at him, and
she had been screaming at him and not recognizing him
for like a week by it, So, yeah, she was
completely like over the edge, and he basically not actually
being totally stable himself, snapped and just murdered her.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
I kind of believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah, you better believe it because it happened. And then
I got snap snapped.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
And that's what the prosecutor said during the trial.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
So essentially he was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter. So
after hearing all the stories and all the people basically
saying she was not and he was two, he had
already spent two and a half years in jail awaiting
the trial, and then he basically got three years probation.
The judge concluded her summation by saying that there was

(01:03:54):
no doubt in her mind that he had loved his
mother very much.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
I wish he had gotten put in a fucking and
same as anim so we could be taken care of. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I'll tell you that the episode of what's it called,
it's called like Murders and it's that super cheesy e
show with aj what's his name, and it's like called
anyone anyone got someone do my homework for me. It's
on YouTube and you can see it. It's about her,
it's about this murder. But the guy himself, Timothy, is

(01:04:26):
on it and he does that thing where he's like
the anonymous person. So he's in black in the room's
all dark, which thank god, it's probably like newspapers and
fish bone shit, but yeah, just stacks and stacks. But
he basically said in it, like he's talking firsthand and
just basically saying, yeah, I snapped and it was a

(01:04:46):
really bad situation.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Due yeah, usually I'm like, oh, yeah, you were crazy.
We're all crazy, Like to fuck man. Yeah, that's intense,
that's like, yeah, that's some next level. That's entertainment. Everybody
that's show business for you. That's a show why business works.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Okay, we're back from that story. I feel like my
feelings about it changed so drastically from when you were
first telling it till the end when I just had
so much sympathy for this Skuy and what he was
put through. And now that I understand hormones a little
well too, like you're not yourself when you've got hormones
pumping through you that are not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Oh, I think there's so many elements in that household
that were going on. It was it seemed like a
terrible It was like the mental version of hoarders, but
like inside it just like terrible interior, not getting outside help,
not talking to people outside, and just spinning out totally.
I mean, there's everything about this is a little nightmarish

(01:05:50):
on top of the wasp.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Yes, dive me updates.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
No, I didn't say this during the show, but Timothy
Roman died in two thousand and three of heart failure
and that is the only I mean, it's kind of old.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
But yeah, and then this is the first time we
went don't like what two shows before live shows, but
this is when we bring someone up to do a hometown, right,
I think for the first time, which is really exciting
and thank.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
God it went well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, Margie delivered.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Margie, great job. Let's listen to Margie's hometown. Hi, come
over here, come talk to Karen. Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
What's your name? Margie Georgia? This margin?

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Hi, Margie, nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Do you want to do it up there? Come on,
come on, come on, yay Margie, Margie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
It's so cold, I'm getting cold, which means it's almost over.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Sit here, this work.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
I don't know some here, Margie. Yeah, it works, it works.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
If Mars got her backpack on, she's gonna run after this. God.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Hi, Hi, Hi, it's your hometown.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
Where are you found? Originally from Miami? But I live
here now at my LOLRDA I love so I live
here now and my.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Hometown murder is here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
So I worked in this office with this dude.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Wait is this the first hand murder? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yeah, oh shit, here we go. Whoever pointed good job?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
He the fuck?

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
So?

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
This guy like I was an intern in this office
and he worked there, he was a writer there, and
he kind of would like creep on me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
He would like rub my shoulders and like, can I
get you a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Water bottle of sexual harassment.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yes, but when you're an unpaid intern, there's not a
lot you can do. You just stop and don't make money. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
So I got the hell out of there, but I
stayed in touch with people who worked in the office,
and basically recently this dude snapped. So he had this
wonderful wife who had given birth to two of his children,
and they were in the process of getting a divorce.
While they're getting a divorce, he had a living girlfriend

(01:07:59):
who is now pregnant with his next child.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
So during this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
Divorce, while he's with this girlfriend, he gets charged with
this sexual assault allegation of somebody else. So there's this
girl who was raped, divorced wife, new girlfriend, babies on
the way everywhere, and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
When the rape allegation comes out, the girlfriend's like, no, no,
I'm not about this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:27):
So she leaves and he they have like this apartment
in Weho. So he begs her to come back. He's like,
let's talk about this whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
So she leaves the baby at her mom's house, who
goes to the apartment.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Baby behind baby's great, Baby's fine. Okay, spoiler alert. So
so she goes to his apartment and is never heard
from again ever ever, basically I know, basically, I'm pretty
sure it was like the next day. Her mother was
really worried they hadn't heard from her, so they sent

(01:09:01):
the police over there. He had barricaded all of his
furniture against the door. He was locked in his bedroom
with her body that he had drained of all its blood,
had been dismembered.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
No, so we ho and we hope of all play
food this year this year.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
No, yes, So more information keeps coming out with the
dismemberment thing is like new information that we didn't know before.
But the twist is that he is a graphic novel writer.
He had written Listen. He had written Listen this sr
podcast school. He had written this terrible, gruesome story about

(01:09:45):
a I think it's like a scientist who does the
same thing to his like lab assistant. So were yoh yeah,
like you're like a few years ago he had written it,
had gotten published, it did really well. But it's like
this really grewesome, dark graphic novel where he had like
hung her upside down, drained all the blood in his bathtub,
had dismembered her whatever, and then he fucking did it
like there's no way you're getting out of this one, dude.

(01:10:06):
So no, that's my hometown murder.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
You knew him? Oh yeah, and he massaged you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yes, we'll welcome to LA.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
That's what.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, Margie, do you want to plug.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Any you want to plug anything?

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Do I want to plug anything?

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Like your Twitter or you're okay?

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Well my Twitter is Marjoverer matter love it. Thank you
so much.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
My best friend John and I and my girlfriend Kirsten,
we have a clothing line called dor Die.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Person is the one who handles your clothes. Oh my hi,
I'm gonna hug the ship out from the print fall
you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Yes, that's her.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
She really wants to be Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Even got her phone.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
It's your it's your parting gift.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
He's like, no way, oh all right, awesome, you guys,
that's it for us. I think, yes, thank you, saying
you so much for being here. That was so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
All right, Well, yeah, that was a great hometown.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
And fun times. We're I'm of course always being negative,
but we had a fun time and we were truly
so honored to be there and be a part of
something like that. Definitely, she would pick some alternative titles.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Yeah, so like, what would we call this episode, this
very special episode if we didn't name it Live from
EW Pop Fast.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Which I like to pronounce the EU popcast. Well, the
first suggestion is I never joke about Jojo, which is
what I was saying when you were like, is it
really Jojo?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Elvis is here? That would be so sweet? What if
I brought him?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Yeah, you brought him and then you had him Q
and walked by himself up the aisle like a flower
girl boy. And then of course small nice RV. This
is a little perfect button this episode. I like that
button good times.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
All right, Well, thank you guys for listening to this
episode of rewind. We hope you enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Thanks for being at the EW Popfest with us it
both spiritually and in every other way. And uh, stay
sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Good bye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie

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