Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 44: Live from the Chicago Podcast Festival - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's Wednesday. It can only mean one thing.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
It means that we're trapped on your phone and we're
forced to recap our old episodes with all new commentary,
updates and insights.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
And today we are recapping episode forty four. It's named
Live from the Chicago Podcast Festival and it is a
major page in our scraph Book of Life.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
It is an epic episode. Epicisode. I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Feel like I can remember every moment of that day
leading up.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
To that show and Ann, yeah, we should post the
video that Brandy Posey took from the audience of when
we come out on stage and are stunned by the
amount of people and the which I could feel in
my fucking toes. Yeah, all right, let's get into it.
The Chicago Podcast Festival ended in twenty nineteen and their
website is now defunct. But we had a great.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Time and this episode came out on November twenty third.
That was the day President Obama awarded the Presidential Medal
of Freedom to twenty one people. We did not make
the cut. It could have been a clean twenty three
on the twenty third, but forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Let's listen. Anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Let's listen anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Ye to the intro of episode forty four, some murdering nos.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Ah, you're so I can't fucking see you, but you're
pretty I don't have a huge speech for this one
because we're gonna keep it pretty simple. When we decide
we were going to do the Chicago Podcast Festival, this
was a show that was very high on our lists.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
We asked.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
They said, yes, please, welcome to the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Georgia Hartstar, Karen kill Gareb and my Burbit Mona. Come on,
come on, damn it. You are so drunk. Hi, I am,
How are you now? A little bit high Chicago? Oh? OK,

(02:22):
see you later. It's just gonna be me a one
woman show tonight. Oh this is crazy. Hi, guys, we're
very happy to be here. Here we are.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Anyone not know whose voice was who?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
And it's freaking out right now because we thought.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
It was together.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm the one who says fuck a lot. I'm the
one that says, look, you know, here's the thanks. I
didn't know I did that until you told me. Now
I want to think about it all the time. Uh,
this is fucking nuts, exciting, very exciting. The cool thing

(03:12):
is that at some point I'm going to jump into
this orchestra pit.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's true, that's what we decided beforehand. We dropped, We
drew Straws, We drew Straws.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Karen I was like, I'm gonna do the pit jump
and there's no orchestra. She's just gonna. I don't there's
no bottom, there's no bottom. Let's just push you. Can
I do a model walk to show off my dress?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
And I got this dress today at Chicago.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Michigan Avenue nord Strum.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I thought I was gonna say, can I do a monologue?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Can I? Could I do one traumatic and one comedic monologue,
a short dance? Hold this you guys.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I just wish Karen wasn't so shy.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Pockets are Oh dude, the greatest people love pockets, right,
It's not just me? And I said that.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I texted you that my outfit was I was gonna
cause play Nancy Saint Stacy.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yes, that's right. Did you did you recognize Nancy Saint
step But I was gonna wear.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Like eighties heels and I I.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Care take it, take a walk, It'll feel good. Yeah.
It started off sad in it, and then.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yes, should we uh sit and talk?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, because this is weird, because this is so weird.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
All right, well let's not should we not with the Yeah,
we shouldn't use these Yeah, yeah, except you're gonna although yeah, no,
we know you're right, you're let's do this when we
tell the stories, we will.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
It's just kind of slim when you have it in
front of you. Bisex draws the eye. Why didn't we
ask for a couch? I need kick pants? What the
fuck is this a small top stool?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I said, give her the one that's wobbling so she'll
looks so we'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm fine. Do you want to sit on the ground? Y'all?
Sit cross legged on the ground. I don't know what
we're gonna. What were other people doing up here? Perching
like a lady? Not interested? Let's see, do you have

(05:45):
any We should do some business, right, like some that's right.
No more shouting out or I'll have to come out.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
The corrections corner is that our family is in the
thing here.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Corrections corner is our our drunk families up in a
box somewhere judging us. Yeah, clap for the family.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Do you have things for caring, you're gonna fuck it.
Here's my cruction's corner.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
It's fine, it'll be funny when I fall, but my
corrections corner. And this one is one of my favorites
of all time. Last week we were talking about I
think we were probably reading a hometown and someone mentioned
I read the name Vincent Lee and they were saying like, oh,
so if that's a fucked up murder, and I was like, oh,

(06:39):
I got to look that up, like I don't know
who that is. I know had done it so many
so many people wanted to let me know how I
did know what it was because I'd actually reported on
it myself on my own podcast. Yeah, who would have
fucking bunk? I mean, I don't remember their name or whatever.
I remember a mashetti.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
We don't remember killers, do we remember? We remember feelings,
things and qualities.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Also, I would like to say people that catch up,
people that are behind a little bit. Oh yeah, I
fucking now know that Manitoba is not a city, all right,
I know now.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
You don't have to stop fucking telling mere she gets it.
It's funny of the like corrections we get where we're
like yeah we know, uh.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I've known that for like two weeks.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
We're bitch.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
You guys know that we're total bitches, right like like
dang Danny, that was my mom.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I love you. She's a very tall woman. Oh.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Also, Stephen ray Morris could not be here tonight, Stevie
our audio engineer.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
But his sister is here. His sister even better, sister,
Ray Morris, Stephanie Ray Morris. And she has no she's.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Never listened to the podcast and doesn't know that. He's
like Stephen, and I want us all to like give her.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
She thinks it's let her know. I believe I think
she she thinks this is a Christian podcast, right, So
this is gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, and Elvis, his mom is here.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I want that to happen like an old cat would
come walking down half an ear bitten. I just don't
know what to do. I want to have a chair,
should go a chair chair? No, I'm gonna beat this.
I'm gonna beat this stool, don't even don't bring it over,

(08:50):
don't do it.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well, we're so this is Oh so this is my
favorite murder podcast.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
In case someone didn't anyone know that. Thank you for
screaming that's Karen and that's Georgia. Yeah. I like that.
We're doing it now as if we do that at
the top of every show. We honestly treat every show
like we've never done podcasting before, Like it's like it
surprises us every single week. Oh we should introduce this. Yeah.

(09:17):
Oh if someone just fucking.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Stumbled upon this, like they're changing the radio stations in.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
The Yeah, exactly, it's nineteen sixty one. These girls are cursing. Okay,
let's be Uh, do you have any questions or shout
outs or anything you need to talk about? No, I'm
petrified right now. Oh okay, who this is great now?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Uh? No, I mean path man, everything's the best right now,
right right now.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah. What was the last time we did? Uh? Oh yeah, okay,
what are you talking about? The last episode we did?
I don't remember at all. Was it Vincent Lee? I
don't know. Well, here we are nice to face. It's
like two people didn't do their book report. Who are like? Anyway,

(10:03):
what I love about books is the paper inside.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
The problem is you're not gonna know all the like
three hours of shit that's edited out of the podcast. Yeah,
that's not true. We just let everything go in, Let
it all go in, Let it go in. Should be
talking about murder, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
You guys like it's pretty. Who's a murderer now?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Like for real? Yeah? I mean that's called pandering. Now
we're pandering.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I don't think it's our thing, though, I'm sitting on
it with my butt. Okay, Karen, we're back. I just checked.
Manitoba is still not a city.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Damn it. These are the mistakes that, like you just
say it casually on a recording nine years previous, and
it just never goes away. It's always a mistake.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Can we talk about a serious real quick, because there's
something I remember from that that was like our first
real live show in a way that wasn't like, yes,
we go on stage and you start showing off your
dress and then I go something. I say something like, oh,
it's too bad she's not shy, And you later asked me,
you said to me, can we not make comments like

(11:21):
that that are like undercutting each other? And I remember
that so specifically because it was like I hadn't even
realized that that's what it was, that's what I was doing.
It's just like how I had been on stage before
in the past, and I just, yeah, it really set
a precedent I think for like we don't tease, we
build each other up.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah way, which you know, it's not like I haven't
teased you before, but I think it's that thing of like,
first of all, it was all like brand new, this
idea of what we were doing and how we were
doing it and doing it together where it's like we
have to real quick become like this vaudeville duo and
the way I was hot, and I've said a bunch

(12:02):
of these things to you, but it's like there are
ways that you can tell the audience like we are
all united, and when you do that, they go along
with you and they kind of like stay in line.
But if there's breakdown, then the breakdown starts like everywhere,
so it's.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Like it's who are we against? Who are rooting for? Exactly?

Speaker 2 (12:19):
They have tapped into this podcast because you and I
the way you and I talk to each other. And
then it's that kind of thing where it's like it's easy.
I do it too. I wasn't saying like this is
what you do and I never do it. It's like
this is a trap that it's easy to fall into
in comedy.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, I had, you know, in past duos and past
relationships had been in that place where it was like
there's only room for one person to shine, Yeah, and
so you need to play the you know, dormat almost
and that was the way it was. And so being
able to learn how to do it better and different

(12:57):
was really like valuable for me in my day to
day life itself. So that was really really cool, And
I think I'm glad we figured it out the first
time and then just went for it.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, yeah, I am too. And I think those live
shows every single time we did them. And I remember
one time you said to me where it was like
I would be like telling you something. You were like, yeah,
but this isn't TV. This is this whole new thing,
and it's like, yep, you're right, Like we can't just
take exactly what we know and slam it onto other things, right,
And when something is that new and that like kind

(13:30):
of intimidating, it's easy to be like it has to
be my way or it has to be the thing
I'm most comfortable with, and instead it's like, sorry, we
have to do improv right now and do a scary
thing which is not know and do it anyway.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Because there's no rules. There's no like live there. Especially
then it was no live podcast, live comedy, true crime podcast,
rules right to live by. But now it's what we got. Yeah,
we got a couple of those guys.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
It was like the thing of like, don't ask the
front row a question because they'll they'll yell at us
for the rest of the show, shoe stuff like that.
We were like, but I wanted to know what was
in their hand. I'm like, of course, yes, you know, they'll.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Tell me how to pronounce that city if I just
ask one of them, Like no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
You have to do it in a controlled way where
it's like it's just you, Maureen, you're the only one
answering this question.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
And here's another thing we learned that I learned because you,
I think later said we discussed it. I do not
remember this at all. This is like the first and
only time I went to a live show in a
city and was like, I'm just gonna do any story,
Like now, I don't think to do a story in Illinois.
It didn't even cross my mind. So now when we tour,

(14:36):
we do a story that takes place you know in
and around where we're doing it as close as possible
because there's so many fucking stories now it's impossible to
write get as close as we want. But so I
come in here with this story not thinking like you
should do a Chicago story.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's a great story.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
You know that it takes place in motherfucking Texas. So yeah, yeah,
let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I mean, this is how you learn, like the old
stand up outages, like local jokes, get local work.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
You just this is it.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
You're just like they tell them, tell them about themselves.
It's about them, that's.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
What they want. However, we wouldn't have the beautiful wonderfulness
that is sweet honesty without this.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
That's why, Oh there was no mistakes made. There was
no mistakes made here, and we can tell, you can
tell when the jokes are flowing and it all goes
so well. Also, this is our first live podcast, and
it goes this way like that audience, that feeling, and
that audience it was I was finally convinced, even though

(15:39):
you had been showing me real good data for a
full year, and I finally was like, oh, this is something.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
It actually missed the audience and my mom and stepdad.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
It was my sister and Sadri and Audrey and Brandy.
All the lady to lady girls were there, women ladies.
It was very cool. And then again, my favorite murder
fully apologizes to the Atheneum theater staff from that night,
who we made stay at their job like four hours

(16:09):
longer than they expected to because I invited everyone to
say hi to us in the lobby like a fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Let's talk about it at the end, because that was
pretty epic too.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
So okay, let's get into Georgia's story. This is the
fort Worth three kidnapping. Are you going to go first?
I mean, I'm versus sim Also, I'm gonna my hands
in my pockets and put my microphone over here. Did
you mind putting your hands in your pocket?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Karen? As I tell you, I swear I was gonna belch,
and it's about to happen. She's going to do some
Robert Durst belches for us.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Just did you was that really? That sounded like a
fucking horse. I swear to god, I thought you were
like doing a joke. Burp sound lady. That was unbelievable.
I had a soda pop. If they want to pay us.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I'll say which one it is, but oh not shit, girl, Otherwise,
we don't do branding otherwise, doctor Pepper.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Okay, okay, ready, yes, are you ready? Yeah? No, I'm
just now.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
That's too much pressure, all right, Okay, So December twenty third,
super and air Christmas in nineteen seventy four, a.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Great year for callers and cords. There you go, bring
us back, Karen to a time nineteen seventy four where
the air was filled with lead pollution and everybody had
a mustache.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Even girls. Yeah, you're you're supposed to beat your children? Yes,
you were required.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
You would to sign a paper when you left the
hospital with the baby that said I promised to hit
this child in a face every day.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
And I'll let anyone hit them too.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah. It's strangers, people on the street. They probably deserve it.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So okay, So three ladies, Renee Wilson, she's fourteen, Rachel Trelika,
who's seventeen, and Julie Ane Mosley who's nine, go on
a shopping trip for Christmas presents.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Can't be good?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Nope, no, they're a fine. Let's talk about let's talk
about Ted Bundy.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Anyway, I've led the I'm paler.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
So these three girls they go to a upscale mall,
the Seminary South Shopping Center. This girl knows it I
care someone fucking whispering uh in Fort Worth, Texas. Oh
oh have you been? I just thought I should make
a noise. No, okay, Uh. They're supposed to be home

(18:55):
by four pm. Guess what, Karen didn't show up. They
didn't show I didn't show. So Renee and Rachel, the
older girls, were old friends. Renee asked Rachel to come
with her shopping, and then Renee's boyfriend was gonna come,
but he went to a friend's house. So his little sister,
Julie begs to come. So they bring their her boyfriend's

(19:17):
little sister along, so it's the three of them. They
get to the mall, she Rachel parks her car at
the top of the fucking car park osmobile and they
go shopping. People see them because and this needs to
be our new shirt. She's wearing a shirt that says
sweet honesty.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
What that's nineteen seventy four for you? What the like? Fuck?
What stoner put that thing together? Sweet? And you know
it was like crazy cursive with the little why on
the honesty and then like three loops.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Litteral like all around, just on the tits. Yeah, no bra,
no bra, no Bra didn't have to seventies tits. That's
a yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
They were real low. So a ton of people.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
See them at the mall, people because people see her shirt.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Whatever the fuck.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
And then that evening, families get worried. As they do,
they go out looking for the girl, and they find
her car where she parked it on the roof of
the small area and in the car the car is
locked and inside of the presence. So at some point
they went to the car, put the presence in there,
lock the car, and then what right.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yes, I don't know, you have to tell me. So
they're freaking out.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
The next day a letter comes in the mail and
it goes to Rachel's husband's house. Now Rachel, who was
seventeen and married.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
What yeah, wait, is that sweet honesty?

Speaker 1 (20:51):
That's the other one. Even a fourteen year old is
bring a sweet honesty.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Shock.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Don't let your babies grow up to be sweet honesty.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
For real?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Uh, she's married, okay to this dude, this dude, her
husband was dating her older sister beforehand.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Look it happens.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yes, guilty, they break up these her little sister and
her boyfriend get married, and then the sister's living.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
With them at the time. What no, like, we all
know where this is? Like we know? Wait is that?
Are you just talking out an episode of Game of
Thrones and saying saying it happened in Fort Worth?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Never seen it? No, this is Dallas. I'm talking abou Dallas.
Uh yeah, right, okay, But no letter comes in the mail.
Why is he checking his fucking mail the day after
his wife gets fucking kidnapped.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
You think he should have avoided that mail box. I mean,
why are you checking it? He loves mail. It's the
only thing that made him feel better. Fucking catalogs and
post cars. Fair enough.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, he goes to his mailbox and he finds a
letter from her, supposedly from Rachel says I know I'm
gonna catch it, which is like the cutest phrase I've
ever heard in my life, Like catch some shit, I
know I'm gonna catch it, say I want to catch it.
I Donna, I'm gonna catch it. But we just had
to get away. We're going to Houston see you in
about a week. The cars and Sears Upper Lot Love

(22:23):
Rachel M I write, I know, so like he gets
that letter. Her name is kind of misspelled. His name
is written seriously, that's up. Her first name is misspelled, yeah,
a little bit misspelled, like.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
No it hap. I look. I've done that so many
times where it's like kas what I want to make
fun of that.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
But recently my my manager emailed me, was like, hey,
you're your name's spelled wrong and you're real and I
was like, what are you talking about.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I looked at it and it said g.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
E O R I g A Oh I fucking spelled
my own goddamn name wrong.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
I was like, giorga Joe.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I got like it's about like three years and I
didn't notice it.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
So fair enough, once you change it, you're gonna get
so many jobs.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
People have been like, I want to hire her for
the million dollar thing, but I can't find her or
noamn spelled wrong, No, there goes a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh it does happen. This crazy happens. Let's be fair.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Uh Okay, So her husband was married to the beagle ra.
The family thinks that the letter, they're like, that's not
her handwriting, and she spelled her fucking name, right, and.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
In addition to back that up.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
So uh they so the stamp had been stamped, you know,
like cleared at the thing at the post office, think
that morning. So someone sent that thing the night before
or on the twenty fourth of when it shut up,
Which I'm like, if you're just if you just kidnapped
three people randomly, you're not gonna bother to let the family.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Know, no, you kidnap and you get straight to that correspondence.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, like that's to throw people off. Yeah, that's not
like a serial killer who's like grabbing three people and
doesn't give a shit, right, No, that's like an anal
retentive serial killer. That's like a leave us alone for
a minute.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Right, serial killer? You mean, can I have some privacy?
Pay well, I to sit at my secretary's desk and
just ride out with a feather pen like right after
I kidnap them, though, you know what I mean, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I get it all right, say, uh, so people saw
them that day because clearly she had a sweet honesty
shirt on, and like, how you're gonna miss that one?
A fourteen year old and is like that sounds like
a stripper name nothing.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I'm not saying there's anything on strippers. It's just a name,
just a name. That's it's quite, it's sweet.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
And so a woman, a woman tells a story clerk
that she saw some men hustle the girls into a
pickup truck, but police never located that witness. Another says
that the girls had been spotted in a security patrol car.

(25:18):
So in nineteen eighty one, which was let's do math
was just like so many years later, six sick less
one is seven years later, seven seven years later. A man,
a man randomly comes around and he's like, hey, I
saw a girl saw I saw a man forcing them
into a van that day, You fucking dick, Like.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
What the were you? Where were you?

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Oh? In eighty one, I just like popped into my
head that these fucking girls were being forced into a van.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
He had so much stuff on his mind, Christmas, tons
of latering back then. But the guy in the van
told him.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
He goes, hey, it's a family dispute, don't worry about it.
And that's why he never told it till he was
till eighty one. Yeah, I mean, like can you eat?
I can't even.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, because you know, it was like back then, if
your family was fighting about something, you could throw them
in a van forcibly at the mall. True it was done.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
How many people out here have like seen that and
just never told anyone about it?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
And that's a family to be it?

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Okay, your family's yeah, psychopaths anything.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I will call the police. Just if I see a van,
I don't give a fuck. I don't care. Be like
it's clearly a bread truck. I don't care. Call nine one.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Karen does citizens arrests all over che all the time.
I won't even believe her now, her brother says. Rachel's
brother says that there's been sightings all over the Fort
Worth area. You know, it's one of those like they
were white slaves. Like people keep saying that.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Some of the sightings what someone doesn't like that, it
doesn't matter. Oh shit, someone's mad about something. We said.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Okay, and they hired a private detective to look for it.
He committed suicide in nineteen seventy eight. When you're fucking
private detective commits.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Suicide, like come on, you're like, no, we're the ones
that are mourning.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, And he was like he had a willis like
destroy my records.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
When I die, they destroy the.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Records, commit suicide, then fucking destroyed records.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
They're like, you know what, We're just gonna sweep all
this under the rug. We think that's the way we're
going to handle all you know what we're gonna do.
We're going to be the of the eighties. Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
So these fucking chicks are never found.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
So wait, sorry, now we're in the eighties. Are that
far ahead? No, seventy nine? That happened. I just I
said the eighties as like a thing. Sorry, it just
seems I'm not questioning you. You see you. It's our
first fight here in Chicago. It's the place to do it.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Okay, So they were never found. Spoiler alert. I'm sorry.
That sucks. It blows. But there's two suspects that I
find very interesting. So Mike d bardellin Ben read that.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Read that. Hold on, let me get my readers, Mike
de bardell eb Ben. What I say, it really is
what it says. That wasn't just you kind of a
copy and passed? No, no, no, that was a copy and pase.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
So this dude gets arrested for passing counterfoot bills and
then the cops found evidence of sex crimes, including him
taking photos of him raping and murdering humans.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, thank you. Oh you didn't know. That's what the
whole sucking podcast is about. Someone's like, wait, what, I
thought you were going to talk out the story of
the Wizard of Oz. No, it's all this bad.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
The FBI profilelers think that when the face is seen in.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
The photo, uh, he kills them.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
When the face isn't seen and he allows him to live,
it's like, come on, you fucking dick.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Okay. So here's the tie in is that he's.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
A convicted kidnapper, rapist, counterfeiter, and suspected serial killer. Was
the habit of passing counterfeit bills in shopping malls. He
was operating around Texas around that time and was known
to impersonate security guards and other positions of authority. Remember
that chick was like, I saw security guard driving them

(29:29):
his van, right, because like, who what girl back then
isn't going to like go with oh my god, my
bel chicken.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Go with the security guard. Do it into the microphone.
Last time we accept you. My mom is here. Oh
that's right, I'm sorry. Uh yes, is what you raised?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
So his guy comes over and he's like.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, that was awesome. That's good podcasting right there. That's
the kind of shit you can't see when you're listening.
She's like the David Blaine of paper.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Okay, So like back then, guys like I saw you shoplifting.
I'm I'm a security guard, and you're like, no, I didn't.
And he's like, come with me, you know, and he
makes them will come with him.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, you go. It's like he has a blue shirt
on with a belt. And then you're like, oh, I
guess you're in charge. I guess I have to fucking
do whatever you say.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
There's no stranger danger, there's don't fucking don't fucking talk
back to authority.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's that's what that was back then. Yes, so you
just get in the car, good bye. Uh, sweet honesty,
Sweet honesty. She didn't understand him.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
It's actually you should sweet kick him in the dick.
That's should have said you.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Guys, pepper spray first and fucking apologize later.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Right these days, George's favorite thing to say, should I
pepper spray that guy?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
It's my it makes me laugh so hard. I can't
remember where we were. But you were just like, do
I need to pepper spray? This guy's like, please, don't
not right now? Why not just spray it around like
room freshener in your mouth beyond banaka ah ah, let's
do this, okay.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
So he's known to impersonate cereal security cards, not serial kills.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Another vision.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
So he lived within a half mile of Rachel, one
of the girls who disappeared at the time of the disappearance,
and then I re fucked up. He earned the respect
of the FBI profilers because he never gave himself away
in unguarded moments, no nor bragged about his exploits. So
the fucking FBI was like good on him that he
never told anyone.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
There was was like a healthy respect for the enemy,
where because usually they brag.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Like, actually, I don't respect them for not getting it
out of this dude. If their fucking killer is smarter,
are we gonna should I not talk about the FBI.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
It's a sensitive time.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Do it someone else, you fucking do it. Listen, love
those guys. I'm just saying this, dude.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
We're going to do a show at the FBI at
Quantico next month and murder and their government. You guys. Okay,
the other dude, who I.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Think is just the fucking dude, Lloyd Welch, is a
drifter and a hitchhiker.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Lord Lloyd, oh sorry, that would be cool though.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
He's like a Lord Lord Welch, but in Texas lord
of the bad Manners because he the bad manners.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
That's what gets cut out usually.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, he's recently been charged around that. So recently around
now he's been charged with the murder of the Lion's sisters.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
There's two girls. You're shaking your head. I can see it.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Catherine who's ten, and Sheila, who is twelve. Disappears from
a Maryland mall in nineteen seventy five. Okay, exact same
m O m oh at the time of his else no, hell,
at the time of his arrest, he's starting a lengthy
prison sentence in Delaware for child sexual abuse. So he's
a real fun guy, like a prize. Yeah, mom is proud.

(33:11):
Good stuff. So in December twenty fourteen, here's another fucking asshole.
Welch's cousin tells detectives that he had helped Welch.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
So that they never found the lion sisters.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
They were like, well, you know these girls got kidnapped
from them all never found them. In twenty fourteen, Welch's
cousin is like, well, one time I helped him with
two heavy Duffel bags in nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Dude, it gets worse. They met at a property in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
He said he helped to remove two army style Duffel
bags from Welch's vehicle.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Each bag weighed.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
About sixty or seventy pounds and smelled like death.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
What the fuck? It was probably camping equipment. It gets musty.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
You know how when your cousins ask you to help
you burn or bury something and you're like, I'm just
not asking questions.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I mean, look, we're all cousins. We have to be
at Thanksgiving together. Just be chill.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Be so awkward if I'm like, what's in these.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
And you're like, I don't want to tell you. Come on,
don't unzip that. It's my it's my murder Duffel.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
He tells, He tells in twenty fourteen, and then oh,
and he said no further, the bags were covered in
red stains.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's probably kool aid? Was he blind? And death?

Speaker 1 (34:28):
And then in twenty fourteen he came to Yeah get it,
I'll snapped back yeh miraculously and Okay, so Lloyd Welch
happens to be uh he happens to work at the time.
He's like a drifter, but he worked for a traveling
carnival company. Guess where they set up all the time
in the seventies.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Inside a double bag.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
No, in malls, and he was in Austin, Texas until
around seventy five. These carnival set up in malls from
the mid seventies to ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm just trying to picture a mall carnival and it's like, oh,
honeys bombing me out so bad. You know, your parents
always work like they were always like those rides are
going to kill you. They also didn't say those ride
people are going to kill you, right, basically everything over
there is going to kill you.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, everything your mom, like your parents told you to
worry about.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
And you were like, you're being annoying, and no.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
They'll kill you. You're dead on, yeah, dead on. It's
so annoying when your parents are right.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Uh So in twenty in July twenty fifteen, while she's
indicted charge with.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
The girl's murder. His uncle is a person of interest. Yeah,
the devil, bad guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Okay.
So here's another thing. So he's in malls, baby blah blah.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
His longtime girlfriend at the time dated for over ten years.
We're always on the road together, et cetera, et cetera.
She was a security guard.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
At a mall. Oh like for the real deal? Yeah,
barred her outfit. What's up? Stole those kids now dances?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Oh? And then in two thousand and one, a secure,
a former serier security guard and fortwith police officer.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Gives a chilling account.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
He says that he witnessed girls climb into a pickup
truck of a young male security guard, and that they
appeared to go with him willingly.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yes, good bye, thank you. I mean that's as fucked. Yeah,
never found, never found. In the other two girls that
were murdered, that was never prosecuted.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
But do we know that the husband and sister weren't involved.
The brother thinks that the sister was involved.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I'd like to bring all of Texas up on charges
for this story. There's no one's innocent in this. I
think he wouldn't be wrong. But also it's so wait,
somebody had. The girlfriend was a real security guard, so
they could have been borrowing badges and shit and stuff
to make it look real totally.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Or maybe she was complete complicit. Maybe she was complicit
and fucking was like get in my car and girls
and they got in our car, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, all right, So don't go to the mall, don't
talk to security guards, don't.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Don't wear your sweet Honesty shirt anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Stop it, don't do it. I have to say, those
cold cases drive me crazy. I know that's your favorite.
There's just no We should set up like a red
phone on stage in case somebody finds out and it
comes through ring through, it'd be like lord, welch, oh
my god, oh god, you guys. And then and then

(37:40):
like the balloons drop and confetti comes and we all
dance and dance. Well, good one. That was a good one.
Thank you, Clapford. George's are you going? What?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Oh about your relieve? It was just giving you your time.
I'm in the spotlight.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, okay, we are back.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Georgia.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Do you have updates for this case?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I have a couple updates. One really important thing we
need to talk about is that Sweet Honesty T shirt.
We had no idea what it was. I'll never forget
that now though, because I have Sweet Honesty merch in
my house now that listeners have given us. Yeah. So,
Sweet Honesty was an Avon perfume available from nineteen seventy
four to seventy eight. It was advertised as the innocents

(38:32):
fragrance of first love to like tweens. I think so
that's why she had that shirt on. I have multiple
bottles that have been gifted to me of Sweet Honesty.
It stinks so bad, but it is so cool, and
I just love that we have a connection now to
a vintage Avon perfume.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I mean, and people having those memories because it's the
kind of thing where like growing up at a certain
amount of time, your mom had this one product where
you're like, oh my god, that triggers all these things.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Hey, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Oh my god. The first time I splashed ginatail my legs,
it burned so bad. I was like, what is happening?

Speaker 1 (39:08):
What was the perfume? I used to have my mom
when we'd spend every other weekend at my dad's house,
you know, and I'd bring my pillow with me and
I'd have my mom spray she had it was Georgio.
She wore Georgia and her fumes, uh huh. And I
made her spray it on my pillow because I missed
her so much so I could smell it while I
was trying to fall asleep. And my dad's apartment on

(39:28):
a cot on an army cot. Sorry, Dad, Yeah, Okay,
back to the story though, this one is like just
has always stuck with me, obviously, you know. It's a
cold case, and those are near and dear to my heart.
It's been fifty years since Rachel, Renee and Julie went
missing and the case remains unsolved. Their families have continued
the search and received many leads over the years, but

(39:50):
nothing's panned out. In twenty twenty three, a woman came
forward to Rachel's younger brother and claimed that her dad
forced her to write that original letter after they went missing,
and she believed he was responsible. Her dad was responsible,
but nothing came of it, and the brother was like,
I hear stories like this all the time. And Julie's brother,

(40:11):
Terry Moseley told Fox seven that he believes that quote.
The only way the case will be solved is if
the person that did it comes forward and can prove
they did it. Unless something like that happens, I don't
think it'll ever be solved. Yeah, but I want to
recommend a book. So one of the suspects in the
case is Lloyd Welch, and I actually not that long

(40:31):
ago read a book about him because he was suspected
and I think eventually tried for another missing girl's case.
It's called The Last Stone, a masterpiece of criminal interrogation
by Mark Boden, and it's an excellent true crime read.
I highly recommend it. And I think this guy is
a really good suspect for this case. He's an awful

(40:52):
human being.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
The idea that he got tried for a different, similar crime.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Yeah, two girls missing from them all yeah, yeah, yea
horrible All right. Well, my Fort Worth, Texas disappointment location
disappointment was luckily, I think turned around because when you
announced that you're going to do this Chicago area story,
the crowd fucking lost it. Right, Let's get into Karen's
story about none other than John Wayne Gacy. I hate

(41:27):
this fucking stool at your stool, stand in, stand and deliver.
I'm going to stand in staver.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Well. I I did a very pandery thing, and I
picked a Chicago murderer. You think you're better than me?
What's that said? Do you think you're better than me?
That's it. But also because there were so many choices,
a lot of people love they love to talk about
about how like a Pacific Northwest Willia, so many murders

(42:02):
in San Francisco. Hello, Chicago, you guys want to kill everybody.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Chicago just doesn't brag about it, That's right.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
They're just low key.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just like, yeah, let's go have a beer.
I don't need to talk about that. How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
More importantly, you don't need to talk about the Torso murderers.
How are you do? I've all kill it? No that's
not here, No, that's Cleveland. Anyway, there was a lot slippy,
There was a lot of choices to choose from, and
there was a lot of favorites. But I actually had
to go with this is my original the reason I

(42:41):
got into reading serial killer books and watching true crime shows.
Fucking John Wayne Gabs.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
And I know this because she accidentally told me in
the hotel it slipped out in the hotel room.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
What was the context of that.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
You were talking about how the hotel concierge was like
you had to print out your no. Yeah, and she
was like, if you like John Wayne Gacy, you'll love
this tour. And then I was like, oh, fuck, yeah,
that's all.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I said. Nothing. There was nothing else. I don't know
the deets, yeah, but I'm about to hear them. You're
about to hear them. And you may have heard me
say this before, but the first thing I ever saw
about John Wayne Gacy because if you know, he buried
the bodies of teenage boys that he murdered inside his house.
And when the police arrested him finally and uh, he

(43:36):
was able to draw diagram of his house and he
knew where every single boy was in the house, and
there were twenty seven of them.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I bet the FBI didn't respect him after that.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
They were like, oh, I get braggy braggersy over there,
take it easy. So I saw when I was like
probably twelve, I opened a book, uh, age the Perfect
Age for True Crime. UH opened a book and they
had drawn based on the diagram that John Wayne Gacy

(44:11):
had drawn. They had been because he they just used
like long rectangles to show where the bodies were, and
some artists had basically drawn body shapes like it almost
looked like a chalk outline, but like body shapes in
a house diagram. So that's I like, was, oh, childhood,
and you know, Johnny loves chawchi and fucking this and that.

(44:34):
And I look down at this thing and I'm like,
why are those boys floating in those boxes? And then
I read underneath it and it's like, uh, you know,
twenty seven bodies were buried inside this house. And I
was just like, Okay, now I know that, and now
I must know more and I won't stop adding that

(44:55):
said Charlotte's Web and some pig. So let's talk about
fucking good old John. Also, the middle name Wayne is
very common in serial killer world, which I think is

(45:15):
kind of great that he got in there. I don't know,
but he They named him John Wayne Gay because his
mom loved John Wayne the actor Red Flag right, not
a good sign that she loved film. So John Wayne
Gacy was born on March seventeenth, Saint Patrick's Day, in

(45:37):
nineteen forty two, at Edgewater Hospital in Chicago, Illinois. Anyone Edgewater,
anyone else? You guys worked there? Were you also born there?
With him. He was the second of three children. He
had an older sister and a younger sister, and his
father was a machinist who had been in a World

(45:59):
War One and he was a very bad alcoholic. So
the story was that his dad would come home from
work and he would go down into the basement and
drink brandy, which sounds classy, but they would have. They
would the mom would make dinner and then they will
all sit at the dinner table and wait for him

(46:20):
to come upstairs and see how he felt. Well like that.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
When he came up, he was real happy and everyone
was like, we can finally talk about me brandy.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Well, no, God. Instead, normally he would come up drunk
and very angry, and he would beat them with a
strap for dinner. So I'm good tonight on strap. I'm
so full of strap from last night. Don You can
give it to her thought and part of what they say,

(46:56):
they think what fueled his rage is that John was
base Leah mama's boy and he liked that. You know.
The father was into fishing and hunting and man man man,
and John liked to cook and he liked to be
in the kitchen with his mom. He liked planting flowers
in the garden, things that in like the late forties
apparently brought deep shame upon you and your ancestors and

(47:18):
were unacceptable and made you drink brandy and beat children.
So it feels like the norm back then, though, you know, yeah,
I think it is. It's like everybody has to fit
into their box and if you don't, I'm gonna punch
you in the face, even though you're eight, all right,
And then I wrote down there, toxic masculinity ruins the

(47:39):
party again. Can't wait to see that meme. Then when
when John was nine he was molested by a family friend,
and then when he was eleven he was hit in
the head with a baseball bat what with a swing?

(48:02):
With a swing exactly like Richard Ramirez with a swing.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
You know if I like he got to nine, he
was so fucking close to like not getting molested, Like
you're so close, and then some fucking shitty neighbor like
your dad's fucking friend comes along, so close to getting
and then a fucking swing.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah were they then?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
That swing were not in a metal back then, they
probably were made out of like seven pounds of metal,
Like this will really center this swing nicely. Yeah, and
it's led so if you lick it, you're gonna die.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Uh uh so. But he also had a bad heart,
so he's prone to fainting spells, which didn't help with
the whole also gardening and cooking thing. I'm saying, he's
just like taking five every once in a while type
of stuff and the uh so, we just felt why

(49:01):
he's all fucked up. Then, to add to the household tension,
John had a secret fetish for women's underwear, so he
would steal his mother's silk panties and put them hold
on in a bag in the and in a brown
bag in the back of the closet, and he would

(49:25):
that's that was his like panty stash, mommy's panty stash.
I said, he just stashed them. He's well, I'm I mean,
who am I to say that he masturbated all over them?
That's what I was looking for.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
That's you're saying, because I am I have a fetish
for panties. I buy a bunch of them and I
wear them. That's underwear, not the same.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
You know, you buy a bunch of women then stick
them in a brown bag and tuck him into the
back of yourard and then I killed people. Yeah, So
he he told one of his friends that he had them.
He showed them to a friend of his and then
said he wanted he wished he could know what he
looked like as a woman. Oh, never trust anyone. So

(50:08):
then his sister found that brown bag in the closet.
She told the mom, and the mom was like, oh,
Johnny's always had a fetish for panties. So she was
quite progressive actually, just very nice to hear, but not
helpful in anyway. Okay, So when he so, he had

(50:33):
a hard time in school. He wasn't popular. He fainted
a lot. He was always thinking about those underwear, and
then he was when he was nine. He never graduated
from high school. He went to four different high schools
around the Greater Metropolitan area and then he never graduated.
And when he was nineteen, he just left town. He
moved to Las Vegas without telling his family.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
But I was like, what you're supposed to do when
you live in the Midwest, that's right, bye, No, I
mean like, get out of your small town. I don't
mean not you guys.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
They just all come rushing to the Yeah, don't worry
they'll fall into the orchestra pit. We're totally saying. So
here's the thing. So he gets a job in Las Vegas,
and like I was thinking about this, like the first
job you get out of high school, it's usually based
on the thing you kind of like the most or

(51:24):
the thing that you're into. So like, I worked at
a yogurt shop because I love eating so much. I
worked at a bakery, did you, And well, John became
a janitor at a mortuary. Yeah, because it was his
passion the dead. And he actually later admitted to the
police that when he worked there one night, he that's right,

(51:49):
he got into a coffin with the body of a
dead boy and fondled it. It gets so much worse.
There's forty seven pages for a lot of this is

(52:11):
my poetry. I'm gonna read later, all right. His parents
actually hire a private investigator to find him, and they
find him in Vegas. My parents wouldn't be that right,
they'd be like, well, good luck. I mean, if you've
got to be in Vegas fondling dead bodies, then live
your dreams. He came back to Chicago and he went

(52:37):
to business college, and it turned out he was a
born salesman because he is a psychopath. Right, we're learning
as we talk on this podcast all about terminology and
what it actually means as opposed to what I think
it means and say it means to a whole shitload
of people and then people we didn't know.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
We're learning that people believe us when we say shit.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah. So I think we've
taught like, uh, psychosis, I've mixed up psychosis and psychopath. Uh.
So I had the thing where I told people that
twenty five percent of the population were sociopaths. People's corner,
she said that it was only one quarter. Yes, yeah,

(53:23):
And I was like, okay, I did the sucking question.
Everything's fine. You know, anyone can do a podcast, right, anybody,
anyone talk about any one. It's true. So but for
this I looked it up because clearly we know that
these these major players are usually psychopaths. And their thing
is that they're very ambitious. It's like they just want

(53:44):
to get ahead. They're very, very charming, which apparently John
Wayne Gacy was very charming and like had the gift
of gap. He's really he's very you know, like he
just made people feel very comfortable, and then he had
in insatiable sexual appetite, so he was kind of always
doing things so that he could do all sounds so
like time consuming, you know, like it makes you want

(54:06):
to take a nap. Yeah, he had to. He had
to like take vitamins. He just really like make sure
you got enough water and stuff. You know, it's great.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
It's taking a nap with a cat, Like I don't know,
you don't need to be super sexual or talkie or
fucking cool, just really you just go to sleep. Yeah.
Well not John, as far as I know.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Good for him. What if he was like a crazy cat?
Ladies like, oh my god, I have like twelve cats.
I love it. He worked at the nun Bush Shoe
Company here in Chicago. Anyone, Yeah, O, Karen, Hey shut
it down, Stephen? Can we edit that out? Stephen? Can

(54:47):
we turn that part up? Where no one supported me?
He was very good at it, and he ended up
getting transferred to Springfield, Illinois, big time. Right, are you
representing for Springfield? Well? What I was fucking right? And

(55:09):
he joined a group called the j C's. You can
cheer for it now, I just don't believe you're actually the.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
John Gacy's there all John Gacy's.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
No, the j c's, that's JG's. Fuck, sorry my mom,
this is your fault, Jesus. The j c's from what
I can gather, which there is almost no information that
I think they might be the Illuminati, because it just
is a website, a weird blue website that's like, we're

(55:39):
a nonprofit organization help the city, and it's like what,
but why and based on who and like there's no answers,
just young people in jackets that are like the j c's.
So he was in the j c's and he made
a lot of like contacts and like you know, I
guess made friends or whatever. Very active, and that's when
you hear about John Wayne Gacy that he was like,

(56:01):
you know, he lived this crazy double life because he
was all successful and you know, was in parades and shit.
Well I think it was like it was based in
the j c's that's how it started, and h he was.
So in February nineteen sixty four, he meets a shy
bookkeeper and a year later he marries her, and she

(56:23):
has a very wealthy family. It turns out it's an
incredibly beneficial marriage to him.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I want to say a shy bookkeeper as to what
bookkeepers are usually like, which is fucking that.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
I kind of a lot of theater students become bookkeepers.
And then so she's wealthy. Yeah, and so he's like,
that's so weird. I'm in love with you. What a
great coincidence. So later that year, so they get married
in uh oh no, sorry, they meet in February sixty four.

(56:55):
They get married soon after, and then later that year,
this is this is mathematically impossible. Shit, it's I have
later that same year while his wife is in the
hospital giving birth to their first child. But I'm pretty
sure no, he could have knocked her up before. Ooh girls,

(57:15):
John you dog. Basically, she gets pregnant with her first child.
She's in the hospital giving birth. You know, back then,
I was like, men didn't have to be in the
delivery room. They weren't, you know, they were as funk
asy garth. Women didn't even have to be there. They
just like knocked you the fuck out, that's right, They're like,
let me know when the baby comes. Well, he actually

(57:36):
was at a bar around the corner of the Thorn
as coworkers ended up fucking that night while his wife
was giving birth, wakes up in the apartment the next day,
gets dressed, goes to the hospital and holds his newborn son.
Uh yeah, So this is the beginning of his double life.
And then in nineteen sixty six, his father in law says,

(57:57):
if you move to Waterloo, Iowa, I will.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
I will kill you from the audience.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
She's just scared because she was thinking about something that
happened earlier. There was a spider. There was a spider
on him. So there's a spider. The father in law says,
if you move to Waterlouiowa, you can have three Kentucky
Fried Chicken restaurants. Oh my god, am I right with
the fucking Waterloo Chickens. I would do that. So he

(58:32):
goes there to manage. He's twenty four, Holy shit. And
the funniest thing is when you watch these I mean
there's a million of what do you call documentaries about him,
he always looks fifty three, like from fucking Jump. When
there's pictures of him as a boy, you're like, is
that the oldest boy in America? He's just at the

(58:55):
Kentucky Fried Chickens. They say he's like a good manager
and he does very well in the job, but he
makes his employees call him the colonel. What a fucking nerd?
Can you believe if he's If I was standing there
with my dumb apron on like working kentuctified chicken, and

(59:16):
he's like, I'm your new manager, but you got to
call me the colonel, I'd be like, see you fucking later, Colonel.
I don't work here anymore.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
But you know, he thinks it's like fun and like
you can call me this, but every time you don't,
he's like, calm, I said, call me and she comes
home from a hard day of work and she's like,
my twenty four year old, fucking boss, I'm fifty three.
I was telling me to call him the fucking colonel.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
He also loves boys. Yeah, so he's a quickly becomes
a well liked member of the community. This is what
he does, what he's good at. He joins the j
c's and Waterloo they're everywhere. Now you're gonna see them everywhere.
It eventually turns into scientology U and they said he

(01:00:01):
became the most valuable member of the j c's because
he got put in charge. Who's the chair the chairman
of the membership drive and what he would do is
to get people to join the jc's would have them
meet in a motel room and show stag movies and
bring prostitutes and have orgies. That sounds amazing, and then
people would be like, sure, I'll join the fucking jc's,

(01:00:22):
let's do this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, Like, what did it take to become the most
valuable valuable member back then?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Just like some money for prostitutes? Okay, fucking sex workers?
Sorry back then, I think they were prostitutes. So historical.
So oh. Then his sister in one of these documentaries
talks about she finds out when they go visit them
one time that him and his wife swap partners, like

(01:00:48):
that they're they're what is that called them swingers? Are
swingers like Vince Vaughan And we don't even know what
that means. Uh, And were like kind of proud of it.
He tells his sister when they're visit, I was like, yeah,
we're gonna go to this party tonight, but we might
go home with other people. It was like, Okay, you
know you're both gross, right, you know I know about

(01:01:10):
the underwear in the bag, right, Yeah. And then he's
voted the jc's Man of the year, so call me colonel.
So then in when he's in Waterloo, he ends up,
his wife goes out of town. He invites the fifteen
year old son of a fellow JC and a state

(01:01:30):
senator over to the house to watch a stag film
and get drunk, and he molests this boy no shit,
and then he told him you can't tell him me
because I have ties to the mafia in Chicago. Here's
fifty bucks, keep your mouth shut. And it works for
a little while. It works for long enough so that

(01:01:50):
he uh Molessa's second boy. And then finally one boy breaks,
and then the other one does, and he gets arrest
did and he gets sent to prison probation for ten years.
The prison psychiatrist recommends that he not be released ever,
as he was a sexual sadist and could never be rehabilitated.

(01:02:13):
H but he was so well behaved that they he
served eighteen months. Yeah, fucking fuck man. His wife divorces him.
She's like, the swinging thing was one thing, but what
the fuck? So he goes back to Chicago. While he's

(01:02:36):
in jail, his father dies, has a heart attack and dies,
and he's convinced it's because of what he did, which
is probably true. So he goes and moves in. His
mother helps him buy a house and they move in together,
and he's like trying to, you know, make good on
all of his bad behavior. So they buy a house

(01:02:57):
at eight two one three West Summerdale Avenue in the
Norwardwood Park and when lived there at that house but
for real, though, you can't cheer if you don't actually
live there, and we're all going there right now. And
then in June of nineteen seventy one, he starts his
infamous contracting company business I should say, called pdium, which

(01:03:22):
stands for Painting Decorating, and mean, what does it really
stand for? Pedophile? Penis? Karen just it stands for penis.
But he put DM after just to throw people off.
And here's the thing. He basically only hires teenage boys

(01:03:43):
to work for him red Flag. And when I mean
really and when anybody asked him about it, he's like,
they're more reliable than grown men. Huh, teenage boys in
the seventies, all right, Okay, there's like literal movies made
about teenage boys in the seventies being unreliable and unreliable.

(01:04:04):
So okay, So in January of nineteen seventy two, when
he is twenty nine sixty one, he picks up he's
single now, so he doesn't have to no one's checking
on him. I don't think his mother's really paying attention.
So one night he goes to the Greyhound bus station

(01:04:24):
and he picks up a teenage runaway named Tim McCoy,
and he takes him back to his house where they party.
They have sex. It's they believe that part was consensual.
But then Gacy grabs a kitchen knife and stabs him
to death. So this is his first kill, and he's
also the first body that's buried in the cross space.

(01:04:48):
And because he was a runaway, no one ever knew
the boy was missing, so the cops were never alerted. Baby.
So then the next line is and he remarries a
woman named Carol. It's very easy for him to date
for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
It's so funny, how much more these people have their
shit together.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Than you, and I like, it's just you mean me,
you're married.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
I hear, I'm married by us the string of my teeth,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Uh. It was a friend of his sisters from high school,
and the sister again in a documentary is like, I mean,
I didn't really see you know, them together, but you
know they seem happy. So and it's just like, oh,
all right. So basically he's just using her as body
armor and then just like going about his day. So

(01:05:40):
in nineteen seventy five, uh is when he starts dressing
up infamously as Pogo the Clown. Now, everybody's seen the pictures,
but if you haven't, if you're from Norway or whatever,
because anyone, wow, they don't do that. He dressed up

(01:06:02):
as a clown, but he did the makeup. There's like
a rule in clown makeup where everything has to be rounded.
Everything's circular and rounded and like fun because you're staring
into the face of children and Pogo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
The Clown, you know what, say, like round shit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
They love round shit, donuts and cookies and fucking clown eyes.
But John Wayne Gacy's clown makeup is pointy, pointy point
It's the scariest thing. It's truly like a clown night.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Illuminati illuminatis right, fucking death track light, swastika on the forehead.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
So bad. Okay. So in seventy six, after three years
of marriage, his wife leaves him just because you know,
she just didn't feel like it anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
That's not feeling it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
So there's this story and this guy, This guy Tony
anton Nucci tells the story in one of the documentaries.
He was sixteen at the time. He was working at
the contracting company. John Wayne Gacy invites him over because
this was the thing. It would be like, come up
my house and let's smoke the joint and we'll have
a couple of drinks. We'll hang out. And then when
the teenage boys would get there, he would be So
this guy was a high school wrestler. So John Wayne

(01:07:11):
Geze is like, oh, come on, mister wrestler, show me
your wrestling moves.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
And the guy's like, Okay, that's such a thing. Yes,
it's a real love that. It's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, Because when then you're high and then you're like, well,
I'm not gonna say no to my boss who wants
me to wrestle. Yeah, and then suddenly you can though.
Just know that, guys, you can literally just put the
joint down and be like, I'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
You don't need to drink with older people. I don't
know anyone my parents are older. When I drink with them,
it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Something about you know something is there's something deep, there's
something in there. It's just no, we're going to take
around with it for sure. You don't need to drink
with older the age spray everyone. So basically, he challenged
him to a wrestling match, and when while they're wrestling,

(01:08:05):
he throws a handcuff on one of Tony's wrists and
he tries to get the other wrist handcuffed, and he's
fighting him and fighting him, and then he thinks he
gets in so Gacy leaves the room and then Tony
what had happened is he fought him so much that
the handcuff was only clicked to like the first thing,
so he was able to pull his hand out of

(01:08:27):
the handcuff. But then when Gacy walked back in the room,
he kept his hand back man his back, so it
still looked like he was handcuffed, and so when Gacy
came over to him, he fucking took him down. He
did like a wrestling move, took him down to the ground,
and Gasey goes, oh, you passed the test. So then
Tony's like, oh okay, and then he just kept working

(01:08:47):
for him. Oh I wanted that to end better. I mean,
he was alive to tell the story, so that's good.
But it was that thing where he was like, you know,
it's it's your boss, and you just you want it
was a good job. They were probably making, you know,
a good amount of money.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
And it's such a weird story that there's no way
they'll explain it to someone and sound like now you'd
be like this thing happened and that would be a
classic assault but now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
But then it was just like, hey, he's just goving around.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah, you know, we got high and that thing where
your boss wrestles you and handcuffs you. Didn't you work
at the gap? That happened to you once at the gap? Right, Yes,
it happens. It's normal, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
So basically this is this is his It turns out
that this becomes Gacy's mo o. It's either that handcuff
trick or the magic rope trick. The magic rope trick
was he would say, oh, I'm gonna show you this
magic rope trick. And it was all around the fact
that he was Pogo the clown, so like like I'm
a clown, I have these tricks. I'm gonna show you
the trick. So it's such a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
You're like kind of high, like okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Like even just the clown stuff. I'd be like, I'm sorry,
I just had an emergence. See call, I have to leave.
Like they didn't have phones back then, It's right, they couldn't.
They just had to sit there in their down vest
being like cool man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
The fucking rope trick. The magic rope trick is they
stand there and he goes, so, this is what I do.
And then he would just throw a rope around their
neck and fucking strangle that. That was the magic rope trick.
So it was quick and bad. So the problem was
that he hired these boys and a lot of them
are written off as runaways when they would disappear, and

(01:10:31):
oftentimes it would come to him, so they'd be like, oh,
he worked for you. Have you seen him lately? And
Tony Antonucci tells in one of those stories, he said
he was supposed to meet this boy, John Zick, and
John Zick never showed up for the job they were
supposed to go do together, and then Gacy came up
and goes he called me and he said that he

(01:10:53):
went to uh Cabo San Lucas.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yep, yeah, because that's where you go when you're a teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
When you're a teenager yourself, I'm just gonna go. I'm
gonna quick, sies. I just need to go down to
the Mexican riviera for a while. Yeah, I'm gonna go.
I just need to take it easy. Goodbye. So uh
so at this point, Oh and also around this time,
Gacy also put red lights in his car and would
when he would see a target, he would pull them

(01:11:19):
over and say that he was an undercover cop and
that he was had to bring them in. He would
handcuff them, and then he would have them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Never pull your car over when you're getting followed by
a cop. Tell them, I tell them, I said that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
And when the cop comes to your window, you should
pepper spray him and the yes, which is also the
thing that Hillside stranglers did. They posed his cops and
pulled women over and would be like, you have a
bunch of tickets to get into our car.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Which is why you actually, I mean, I'm not fucking
bullshitting now, you do want to pull over in a
well populated area, You don't want to if you if
some a cop is stopping you on the fucking deserted row.
You're fucking getting off.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
On the next stop and parking in the McDonald. You
know what you're doing, your high speed chasing it Bye
to evolve. Tell them your mother sent you, Karen and Georgia.
So around this time, at this point, he's been getting
away with murder for six years. At the end of
nineteen seventy seven, he'd killed nineteen boys, and by nineteen

(01:12:22):
seventy eight he was committing a murder every two to
three weeks. Holy shit, your town. I can't even vacuum.
Every two to three means there's so much dog hair
on all my clothes at all the time. Me too.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
The only reason we don't have it is because we
packed these I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Bought this here, all right. So his last victim, this
was in December nineteen seventy eight, and it was fifteen
year old Robert Peaste and he worked part time at
a drugstore in does planes, dees planes, de planes, does planes,
does planes, It doesn't matter. So his mom, this Robert

(01:13:07):
PA's mom is in the parking lot to pick him
up when his shift is over. It but he goes
hold on a second, I met this guy who has
a better job for me, and it's a really good
paying job. I'll be right back, and he never comes back.
They go out into the parking lot after fifteen minutes
and he's nowhere to be seen. But here's the thing,
and this is where if you've ever seen there's a

(01:13:27):
movie where Brian Denny, he plays John Wayne Gacy, and
you have to see it. It's so crazy because he
was crazy drunk and on pills. So by this point
he's been doing it and getting away with it for
so long. He's like sloppy as hell. He thinks no
one's ever going to catch him, and he's just really sloppy.
So the people in this drugstore knew who John Wayne
Gacy was, the guy who always offers kids job exactly

(01:13:51):
a Pogo of the clowns here again. It's that guy
who wears a sweet honesty T shirt back around. Yeah,
it's called to bring it back around camp.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
So anyway, they file a missing person's report. He is
not a runaway. They can't blame it on any of
that shit. This was this boy was an eagle scout
loving family. So uh, the cops they trace it back
to Gacy. The cops go to his house to question
him at three point thirty in the morning when they
finally trace it back, and he's super pissy. He's like,
really bitchy to the cops, would be oh no, I'm sorry.

(01:14:29):
They go to his house like at night, normal time,
and he's really bitching. He's like, I will come down
to the station. I'll come down to talk to you.
He shows up at three point thirty in the morning
at the police station covered in mud. So they're like,
could you take a seat in here. We just had
a couple of questions to ask you. And they finally

(01:14:52):
do a background check and see that he was convicted
for sodomy in Iowa, and they're finally like, I think
we've got this the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
So yeah, but can I just say that sodomy is
a bullshit charge that they because they didn't give.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Him the you guys never mind what.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
It's just a thing where they like didn't want to
charge him with child molestation or give him a real
fucking charge. They gave him eighteen months because they gave
him sodomy instead, which like anyone could get sodomy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
That's not what I mean. That's right, that's right, And
if you're not comfortable with that, maybe it's your problem. Yeah.
They detain him at the police kids. I mean, I
don't know what to say. Okay, they detain him at

(01:15:45):
the police station. They go and search Gacy's home and
they find a trap door that leads down to the
crawl space, and then a cop crawls down to the
crawl space and they're like, they're sure is there's a
lot of lime down here, and they just come back up.
They didn't find anything.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
They came yeah, yeah, someone said.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
No, no, there's more on this paper, I swear to guy.
So what they do find is a bunch of jewelry
that does not belong to him. And one of the
things that they found was a class ring with the
initials JC inside it, and they trace that ring back
to John Zick. His last name is spelled so insanely
it sees zyszk or something like that. I just wrote

(01:16:34):
it Zick because I couldn't deal. But they basically see,
they trace the ring, they get John's name, They go
to the Zick home and they say the mother tells
them he's been missing since January twentieth, nineteen seventy seven,
and they're like ding ding ding, here we go. This
is our guy. So then they start they stake him

(01:16:56):
out and they have to get they have to get
a search warrant for his house. So while they're waiting,
they put the surveillance team on his house and Gacy
is doing things like leading them on long, medium speed
chases till dawn, or like he doesn't even know anyone's
following him. No, no, no, he does. He's doing it on purpose.

(01:17:16):
Or he's like buying them dinner like that they're out there,
you know, like trying to order food or whatever, and
then he just picks up the tab like he's fucking around,
like he's there's he can't ever get caught. But they
get a second search warrant, and that's when, oh, I'm sorry.
He invited them in for a fish dinner, and while

(01:17:38):
that the two cops were inside, one of them said
could I use your restroom? And when the cop goes
into the restroom, he they said it was around Christmas time,
so the heater was on and the cop walked into
the bathroom. He keeps saying restroom, but it's a home.
He goes into the bathroom and smells death and he's
like this, what did you hear that? What? I just heard?

(01:18:03):
A ghost? He like, the heater came the heating event
came on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
When we found out Karen was crazy, out of my mind,
totally insane.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
The heater event came on, the air came out, and
it was the smell of death, and he knew that
this this was They had to search this house basically,
so so essentially blip blop, bleep, sorry, oh what they
How they finally got him was he had driven to
a gas station and like dropped off a bag of

(01:18:39):
pot to somebody. So they got him on this really
dumb charge, but they were able to hold him at
the police station. They got the second warrant, They go
into the house, they go into the crawl space, and
after fifteen minutes, because they just didn't take enough time
the first time. After fifteen minutes, so like we have
three bodies down here, and then it's on like Donkey
Kong and eventually they find in those in that carl

(01:19:03):
space twenty the twenty seven bodies of young men and boys.
I feel so bad for those cops that had to
do all that shit up. It it's so even just
the old footage is so upsetting looking. It's sena. It's yeah,
you have to look at it. This is his mom
just playing solitaire the whole time or something. She no
she died. At some point I almost said, She's like,

(01:19:26):
what's that, Johnny, I didn't hear you come in now.
I don't want to do the haircuff trick again. I
don't want to. You know, you did that to me,
I feel. So there's twenty seven bodies in the house,
and then he admits that there are also six he
dumped in the river, and that's when he was covered

(01:19:48):
in mud at the police station. He had just dumped
Robert Peaste's body. He basically dumped it and went straight
to the police station. He stands trial in February of
nineteen eighty. He never shows announce of remorse. They put
the victims' family members and friends on the stand, so
everybody sees all of these boys and all their family
and all the people that were affected, and in three

(01:20:12):
hours the jury finds him guilty on all accounts. He's
sentenced to death, and after fourteen years of appeals, he's
put to death on May tenth, nineteen ninety four. His
last words were kiss my ass. Oh he's a good
guy and his last meal was Kentucky from check and
that's right, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I mean, no, that's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
I don't know. I kind of like it, I know.
And then they destroyed that house, which I when I
first saw the footage of that, they like pulled the
whole fucking thing down. And then I was like, that's
a bit dramatic. And then I was like, what am
I talking about? Like that what real estate could sell?
Real estate agent could sell that fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Killing twenty seven people isn't draumatic. But then tearing the
house down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Tearing the house, I was like, stop it, you guys, nuts,
you're being h what's the word dramatic? Yes, and that's
John Wayne Gacy. Good job Chicago, Yeah, thank you. Great.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Okay, we're back Karen and the other info from this
excellent story.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Let's see John Wayne Gacy's attorney, a man named Sam Amarante,
said that working with him inspired him to write legislation
requiring police to immediately begin searches for missing children rather
than waiting seventy two hours. Amazing that has since evolved
into what we now commonly know as the Amber Alert.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
So you imagine it was called the child abduction emergency alert,
like as if there wouldn't have been an emergency, right,
a child abduction and the emergency isn't just a given that,
it's not just the assumption.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Well, look, it was a time where it was so
common to just be like, oh, your child rode away
on a bike for a while, they'll be back. It's like,
what are you talking about? So that is really nice. Also,
it's a very fun and funny thing. You know, when
I said toxic masculinity ruins the party again in.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
This Oh is that when you said it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
This is the one I said it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Yeah, my god, epic, And it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Was like I'd seen people talking about toxic masculinity on
Twitter a lot, but when people like afterwards, there were
people I would imagine some sort of kind of in
selly energy type people who are very upset about it,
where it's like masculinity is not this is good masculinity
or whatever, it's the whole thing. It's like, excuse me.
I was talking about John Wayne Gacy's alcoholic, abusive father.

(01:22:38):
So if you're going to defend that guy, then there's
something wrong with your brain that is fully qualifies as
toxic masculinity.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
And the word toxic is there, so you don't have
to then argue that not all masculinity is toxic. But
as we really just said, the specific kind of masculinity
we're talking about it, you don't need to caveat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
But also you're okay, it's so k, it's gonna it's
gonna be okay, is it? You're fine? Go fucking lift
some barbells and prove the positive masculinity is everywhere around us.
Be the example everyone is looking for. Please come on. Okay, sorry,
And then just I have a minor correction for this.

(01:23:19):
I spelled out victim John Zick's name talking about his
initials on his class ring, but the spelling should have
been s z y k. I had a completely incorrect spelling,
So my apologies to that. And it's s z y k.
Got it. Oh and so this was our first like
true live show, like large audience hometown. So here's the

(01:23:42):
hometown that we got from Ashley at the live show. Yeah,
we might need we might have time for one hometown.
Is there a way to turn the lights on for
one second?

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
You have to jump over the orchestra hit thought they're
gonna say it if you're gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Does anyone have a hometown?

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
That's like really good though? If someone's pointing at you
in there? Okay, okay, okay, how.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Do we.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
This was? We should have thought this through. Can she
walk over and around really quick? Yeah? They're like, we
hate you. There's someone standing over there. Someone must be
in charge. Who's in charge? That could help us? We're
not Does someone work here? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Oh, I'm just kidd here she comes. What's her name? Ashley? Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
How's it going good? That's Georgia. Yeah, just sit right here. Oh,
we're happy to be here. Sit on it, do it?
Don't fall? Yeah, let's just see how you do. It's fucked.

Speaker 5 (01:24:50):
Yeah, it's really You sat on this for an hour
and it's slippery too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
There are these weird food songs. Yeah, that's impressive. Okay,
what's your hometown? Where are you from? So?

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
I am from about an hour outside of the city
to cal anybody and I yeah, so there's a big
college out there. I call him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Oh I know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:16):
Yes, that's another really good one, Tony Kwan.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
If you ever get a chance to look at that up,
that's a really good like you were talking about, like
someone you went to school.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Yeah, to talk about right now, he's a murderer.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
I bet so.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
I'm not going to take full credit because this is
actually my boyfriend's hometown murder.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
He's a local in the area. We'll take it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
And he told this story to me on one of
our first dates and I was really fascinated by it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
That's a keeper, Like, are you taking notes? You know?
So he lived in a really.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
Small town actually outside of the calb small farming town,
and he worked at a gas station when he was
in high school. And there was a guy who would
come to the gas station every day, and every day
he would buy a pack of cigarettes and a thirty
racid beer and he was a acximately three hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Pounds, so, you know, live in the dream.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
Yes, the town kind of noticed that he went missing,
and they filed in missings person's report about a couple
of weeks after he went missing. He was a cook
at this restaurant slash motel that was it's on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Highway forty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
If anybody knows that, it's badness, badness, it's like in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
The middle of nowhere.

Speaker 5 (01:26:26):
Yeah, So it was called the Bohemia, and uh, the
owner of the restaurant was a guy he uh, he
owned the restaurant and he hired this guy as a cook,
and he also the guy also lived in the hotel souh.
After a couple of weeks police are searching for this guy,
somebody calls in a tip and says, hey, I actually

(01:26:47):
was helping my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
The other day.

Speaker 5 (01:26:49):
He owns the Bohemia restaurant. He had some extra money
laying around, so he decided he wanted to bury it
in the cornfields. So he asked me if i'd come
out and helped dig some holes for him, which.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Is totally logical.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
This guy's like, you know, not thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Yeah, so many Duffel bags. Well, so, so he called.

Speaker 5 (01:27:10):
So he tells the police where they buried it, or
they buried the money, and the police go out there
dig up the holes and spoiler.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Was not money. No, no.

Speaker 5 (01:27:21):
In the hole they found two garbage bags. One was
the head of this man, the cook, the three hundred
pound cook, and the other bag was his Torso, so
they did an autopsy. They found out I mean, it's
it's sad. Obviously he was murdered, but he was kind
of on the verge of death. He actually they ruled

(01:27:43):
that it was a heart attack because his heart stopped
because his head.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Was removed.

Speaker 5 (01:27:49):
Probably, but but actually that came up where they weren't
almost going to press charges because it's technically that's all
they had was the torso in the head was carbs everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
He also as rhosis of the liver and emphysema, which
I was going to say ezema, but my friend corrected
me in the car and she's like, no, you wouldn't
die from that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
She probably had that too.

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
Yeah, So they end up pressing or indicting the owner
of this restaurant, the Bohemian, and come to find out
he was murdered in.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
The kitchen where he was a cook. I hate the.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
Reason why he was murdered. It was over a bad
drug deal, which I'm just gon know, but the but
what happened after is just like amazing. So the thing
was is like, is he wanted I guess he didn't
come up with this plan right away because obviously he
couldn't move. The three hundred pound man decided to cut
him up, didn't know what to do with him at first.

(01:28:45):
The whole digging a hole in the cornfield didn't come
to him, So he decided to store the body parts
in the motel room fridges through drugs, and they were
able to collect evidence because there was his DNA in
the fridge.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I mean, I don't know how big.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
They were, probably if probably had like peanuts and candy,
you know, yeah, and then the dead body.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Parts in that. Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
So the guy was actually sentenced to ninety years in prison.
He is still alive, and I'm so sorry I forgot
his name.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Oh, you're then you're fired, Okay, Ali, Ali, that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
But one thing I will point out is his head
and his torsa were recovered, but his limbs, his arms,
and legs were never found.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
So I don't know what time your flight.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
Leaves tomorrow, but if you guys want to go on
a laxivation, yeah, some.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Legs and arms. Yeah, great city. Yay. Thank you, thank
you so good, thank you. Yes, that's how it's done. Yes,
you all know how to do it. Thank you so much. Yeah,
thank you, thank you. I thanks so much for being here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
You're all sweep, baby angels.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
It makes it means the world to us. This is crazy.
We've never done a crowd this big. Yeah, it real
it's really amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:30:11):
Yeah, and you know what, you guys stay sexy and
don't get murd Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
We'll come and say hi to you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
All right, Well, Ashley, I can't believe, like, how brave
of her to come on that stage and then tell
a kill her hometown. Like that's how it's done. Ashley
set the precedent in the very beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
She really did. And thank you for knowing your job, Ashley. Yeah,
it's nothing we appreciate more.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Did a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Oh and I guess because this is the first time
I said the phrase, Toxic Masculinity ruins the party again.
And then it became a very classic T shirt design,
which actually a listener designed right that got set. That's
one of the first pieces of art that got sent
into us, and we both loved it so much immediately.
It was like, oh my god, this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
It was Kirsten Bencomo Cooper. I met with her, we
had lunch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
She's so so good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
She is so freaking cool. Yeah, yes, I love that
so good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
So because of that, we're going to relaunch Toxic Masculine
and he ruins the party again with Kristen's art and
we're going to have it in a Lady's Muscle T
shirt in white for the summer summer summertime, and in
a unisex T shirt in evergreen.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
And so the presale kicks off on May seventh. It's
just going to be a quick sale, you guys. So
if you're listening to this while it's coming out, go
run over to exactly Writstore dot com. Presale is May seventh.
It's going to run for a week only, and then
it's wrapping up on May thirteenth, So make sure you
grab this classic while you can. Yes, please, do you proudly? Yes,

(01:31:55):
it's a classic, So head to exactly rightstore dot com
for the presale and check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
So to rename this episode, which of course Live from
the Chicago Podcast Festival, is accurate. It is a really
good name, but there are more to choose from.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
So if we're renaming it today based on the content
of the episode, perhaps we would call it Here's the Thing,
which obviously everyone knows. We say all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Yeah, it just stops everybody to get them ready for
the idea that's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Yeah, I'm about to have a moment. Take a moment.
I'm gonna have a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
There's also people love pockets. Of course, because my dress
had pockets. I'm so proud that our first kind of
big theater, live show, pockets were right up top.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Pockets got a fucking huge round of applause. It was
very unexpected and exciting, so exciting. Who knew? And then also,
of course you're all my mommy, You're all my mommy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
So funny, that is it? That's the one I pick?
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Oh and then yeah, so then after the show, we
go backstage and you grab me and you go, we
have to go say hi to them. Yes, And then
you bring me out to the front lobby and there's
just this crowd of people I had never seen, like
a wall of people. They're all so friendly and lovely.
And then by one we did a meet and greet
like on our own, took pictures, took pictures, hugs.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Classic audience member. We don't know her name, but that's
the time where the girl ran up, took a picture
and then said my dad killed his business partner by
and ran away. Legend. We talk about you all the time,
we do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
My mom sat in a chair and just watched the
whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
She was so proud, so did my sister and Adrian
and Audrey, and my sister kept rolling her eyes like
stop doing it. Was just like I was eight years
old but in her room trying to show off to
get attention.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
She's just like, show off, time, stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Stop it. It's like I won't stop it, and we're
not going to stop it for two and a half
more hours.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
And we did it, and we never did and it's
been nine and a half years, Laura.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
We won't stop. All right. Well, thanks everybody that was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Yeah, thank you guys for listening and for everyone who
came to the show and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
Yeah, stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do
you want a cookie?

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