Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 52: Bonjour, Internet! - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Helloo, and welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
To Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
That's right, it's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping one
old episode with all new commentary updates and of course
emotional insights.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
We gotta have those. Today we're recapping episode number fifty two,
which we named Bonjour Internet because.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
We're fucking classy. That's why this episode came out January seventeenth,
twenty seventeenth, So we're doing this show for a year essentially,
and this, interestingly enough, is the first episode ever recorded
in the podloft. That's right, that's so exciting.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Let's listen to the intro of episode number fifty two.
Stephen mhm, yes, oh my god. It feels like Cold

(01:32):
Your Guys Part four or something.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
It has a Duran Duran quality to it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, yes, Stephen, look we're your mother's i'mre really proud
of you.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
That was great. Nice. Now what set was that on Nova?
It's amazing what you can do with that.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, it was so each time it's been like a different,
like drum setting on the cassio.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
The first one was samba.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I really liked that one.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I really thought that was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
It was like haunting.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
You know, was it a conscious choice to pull your
own vocals out and just let it be an instrumental?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I just wanted to.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't know. I just wanted some with glock and
spiel in it.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I want to block around.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I gotta pull up that glock every once in
a while. That was gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
It's really good.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, Karen, I like, do you ever get like I
wrote that song?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, I get really pissed, but then I go through
all these other emotions.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Like hungry, entirely tire.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Angry, shut down, entirely shut down. Yeah, like, oh there,
what is there's a dog over there? Yeah, distracted. Distracted
is the final stage of grief, distracted by dog. This
is special.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
No.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I love this idea that Stephen's reconnoitering the theme song,
because we're probably probably all a tiny bit fifty too,
right we've heard time. Oh yeah, I mean it's you know,
we need a refresher. I like the idea and it's
a fun like, yeah, reconnoitering, we have to reconnoiter. I've
never heard that is really kiddish. It's a it's my

(03:25):
My Irish grandmother.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Used to say, it say swish Yiddish words. Yeah, she
was fluent in saying Yiddish worts every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Do you know what's funny. I actually just thought of
this the other day because we were somebody's telling a
story about mates. My grandmother was a maid. She came
to this country and she was like seventeen, and she was
a maid in San Francisco until she got married. Made
so like a maid, a maid sing yea for like
fifteen years should have been. And one of the places
that she uh worked And no, it's not gonna be scary,

(03:56):
but it's just she worked for a family that lived
in Cliff, which is like the ritziest part of San Francisco.
You might know, like nobody knows that it's there, but
I don't know what that is. You know what it
is when you're driving over the Golden Gate Bridge to
go to San Francisco. The left hand side is the
marina and Fisherman's Wharf and all that stuff. The right
hand side looks like a forest, but that's actually mansions.

(04:18):
And now I did not know that it's hidden mansions.
And so my grandmother was a maid for a family,
well she just called them the Jews, and she would
always say, I think the Jews are nice. I worked
for nice Jews, but there.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
You and I came together and you were like, I
think the Jews are nice.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I think she cracked the door open of in my
mind my podcast with a nice Jew. Grandma said, I
think you'd be proud but that we're still in cahoots
with nice Jews and they're still nice jewe. They're still
out there. What year was that, like the fucking thirties?

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I think, yeah, they didn't. Nobody liked us back then.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, nobody liked anybody. Nobody liked the Irish. Nope, everyone
back when there were signs that they don't hire the
Irish in every store.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I thought that the two of us were a fucking
plague on humanity, and you know what, they can suck it?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Am I wrong? I mean, were they wrong? Or were
they wrong? I mean, who's on top now with the podcast?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Me and you?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Grandma? Check it out.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Grandma, let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
She'd be like, I don't like all the talking. You
called her vulgar. Yeah, she would actually be insanely passed
about the f the f's, all those.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
F's, Oh, the French is what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
She doesn't like when I speak French because she doesn't
like the French. Pull it, Stephen, pull it. Take all
that out.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Welcome to my favorite murder. That's a bad start in
terms of the racist murder. That Irish person is Karen Kilgerat, and.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
That Jewish person is Georgia Yale hard Stark. That's the
fastest Jewish name I could think.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
It's called it's Georgia Los Angeles City College drop out
hard Stark because actually would be more accurate. I didn't
go to Yale.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I meant the Jewish name Yale y a E. L Oh. Yeah,
like y l oh? Is that how you pronounced?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Like the gorgeous chick from Oranges and New Black?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yeah? Which one?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
That's her name, the one who's like one me and
so and so we're going to get married.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
She is.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Her first name's Yale, yeah l And she was in
an episode of the show called ah even help me
out here? Dead Beat Okay, that's the show called Deadbeat
about a dude who's a drug dealer in Manhattan. And
there's a special episode that's like the dog episode and
it makes no sense. It's on HBO. I think and

(06:56):
the people who wrote it were like, this is this
episode and sent it to HBO and they're like, you
can't give us any notes on it, like they were hard,
which you know is like unheard of. Like you, they're
just like, no notes and it is one of the
most gorgeous even can you find out what the name
of that episode? Like, it's one of the most gorgeous
episodes of television.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is this a new TV show called Deadbeat? It's new?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think it's first season, but it's kind of
a show. The episode is just in the perspective of
this dog and yeah, Elle is the dog walker and
you're just gonna fall in love with her, like she's
so anyway, what we're talking about this is this is
a murder podcast.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's yeah, we're in the inter but it's good to
know it's pronounced yeah Elle. That's what I think.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I could be yeah wrong about that.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh usually, honestly, let's see, should we update anything. Well,
this just happened on Twitter as we were like in
between one one recording and another. I looked down at
my Twitter and somebody had written, have you heard about
the New Hampshire murder? New Hampshire murder castle. You guys
have to talk about it. So I immediately send back

(08:08):
a message saying what are you talking about? All caps,
because I was like, you, there's another murder castle, Like
how do I not know about this? And then and
then he wrote back, yeah, HH Holmes, that's Chicago. But
then he started laughing and was like, oh my god,
you're right. But apparently HH Holmes is from New Hampshire.

(08:28):
He was probably just either flipped it or was at
the beginning of the story. He was at the beginning
of the book about HH Holmes.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's actually one of the funniest ones that people ask
us about, like if we know do we know HH Holmes?
And it's like that that one is just like it's
like asking us if you know about Ted Bundy?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, or like have you ever been a McDonald it's like, yeah, yeah,
I really done.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
And chicken they're file at a fish.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Not to be you know, yeah, anything about it except
for how do you the guy built a murder castle?
You got to know if you're even slightly interested in true.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Crime, if like Leonardo DiCaprio is even thought about as
a main character in this movie, which he is, like,
we've probably heard about it, I would say, who do
you think would like Ted Bundy?

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Well, Greg Canar pops to mind. Oh my god, thank you,
thank you you come up with that. I did just now.
I've never thought about that before.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
No. I was like, I can't think of anyone that is.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Perfect because he's kind of got dead eyes.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
And he kind of is charmed, Like he's not hot
enough to be like hot charming, but he's like charming
enough to be like hot because he's charming.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
You trust that face. Yeah, we just have to dye the.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Hair and he could become a little like eyebrows need
to get a little more pointed.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, he has to get a little more sinister and
probably a little skinnier. Yeah. But that guy in like
a cable net sweater who's like, please help me to
my Volkswagen that doesn't have a passenger seat. You're fucking
Greg Canar. You're getting in there, dude, what do you got?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Show is called high Maintenance.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
That wasn't not even close to what I fucking Deadviet
is the one where the guys his roommate was a
ghost from what Oh my god, I've really good Okay,
Hi maintenance, my man, this is what we're trying to say.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yes in the episode is called Grandpa, and it says
when Chasin is sensitive yet fun loving dog Gatsby moved
from the suburban Midwest to Queens culture, shock takes its tool.
Yeah that's until they cross paths with Beth, a cute,
whimsical dog watch.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, but but this episode has nothing to do with
the season. It's like, the whole show is about this dude,
Hi Maintenance who sells pot on his bike, and then
there's this random dog episode and he's like, the guy
is in it, but he's not. The episode isn't about him,
and it's just such a gorgeous listen. Everyone has been

(10:41):
fucking commenting and being like, thank you for recommending Flea Bag.
It was amazing, So fucking trust me right now, please
they do. I know it's no, I'm yelling at the
fucking wrong, so wrong, jesus, I mean, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Why, I bet you like. And then Deadbeat almost seems
like the beat in between High Maintenance and Flea.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Bag High Maintenance.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I just want to know who makes that show that
they can go to fuck HBO and say you don't
get to give us.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
That they don't care like I think that they're not.
I don't know. Like someone I knew who's really cool
who makes documentaries, was friends with them, and they don't
give a shit. Who is it.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
It's a husband and wife team Ben Sinclair and Caughtcia
leech Feld.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Huh so they're like, fuck you, dude, we're fucking good.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah. Usually doesn't work that way, now, that's what I'm saying. No,
that's very cool. You'll cry. You know who else did that?
All of the people who would be I believe, James Burrows,
Matt Greening, everybody who said they were going to make
the Simpsons. They went to Fox and said, we'll make this,
but you don't get to give us notes. Who were they?

(11:54):
All they've done is Tracy Aleman show at that point, right, No, no, No,
James Burrows, he's like legend, right like they had basically, Yeah,
they basically said we'll make this deal with you and
all that, but you just can't. They won't do that again.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
They won't un tell my favorite Murder, the comedy TV
show that's also a game show, that's what it's called,
comes out and we're like, you can't tell us what
to do, and they're like great, we're not getting a
TV show.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
And fine, go ahead, thank your goddamn boat. We got
a podcast.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Oh you know what even mentioned is that this is
the first suck An episode in my new apartment.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, that's right, that's what we should be talking. You
start with that. And how high these ceilings are, Yes,
this is cathedral s.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I mean you think that if they were going to
make ceilings this high, they would also not make them
fucking popcorn. But I guess I'm not an architect, so
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
But however, look, you can you can take that out,
you can scrape it all.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
You know how much that costs so much money. I know,
I'm just trying to make you feel better, thank you,
but I don't care. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
It looks great, you know. So they're so high up
you can't see it.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, Yes, popcorn ceiling and Venetian blinds kill me, but
are not what are they called?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
What are those called? Yeah? I think those are like
vertical blinds.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Vertical cool fun. Well, anyways, I hate them. But otherwise
this apartment is amazing.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
This is a great department. Yeah right, yeah, and also
you just moved here. You're like you got to get
in and guess is the nice that's going place I've
ever lived in my life. It's great, it's really fun.
It's got a good open floor plan.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah. Good when the apocalypse comes around the third floor,
so like we're safe.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
The water coming up, the people scratching at the side
of the building, you're safe.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Oh it's good.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
All right, that's good. Oh.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I forgot to mention this last week when it mattered,
wouldn't it had any fucking all right? So these two
dudes who are who were into the podcast message justin
We're like, hey, we're super in the podcast. We're writing,
we are writers on the show The Real O'Neills. Will
you guys be in an episode? And Karen was like,
I have a day job and have a fucking normal life,
and I was like, I don't, I'll be on it,

(13:52):
And so I went on and was on it, and
it's it's on tonight, which is two days after.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
This is a two days yeah before you will be
two days after.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
In hearing this, but you can watch it online place,
that's right. So it's the it's these fucking sweet angels,
Josh Kirby and John Vellis, who like they wore so
we recorded the thing, and they wore my favorite murder
shirts to the fucking recording of this episode. Like, there
was a ton of people on set and they every
time someone would meet me and like I was an

(14:25):
extra on like they didn't have to be nice to me,
and they were like, she has a pocket.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Like they were so.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Nice and wonderful people. And one of them was fucking
Henry Zebrowski's college roommate, which is so insane. Anyways, I'm
on it in a fucking dance sequence and I get
my baby stolen and it's it's fun. You want to
watch it? Check it out?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Go watch Georgia the Orpheum this Saturday. That's right. That
should be exciting. The La riot Fest comedy festival. Uh,
and we're at the Orpheum theater.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Should put it up next week if it doesn't suck, Yes,
that should be the should be the bar.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I have a week off.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
We should try so hard on Saturday so we can
have a week off.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Actually, yes, let's try really hard because I need a
week off because work is getting insane. Do you got
to start filming the week after?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah? Oh god, yeah, so you're like twisting all the knobs?
What do you call it, like, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
We're gonna twist some knobs and we're gonna push some
levers up and then pull them back down. All that stuff,
which is really hard for me. The stuff I don't
like them are I can't even chew gum and chewing
them at the same time. The worst should we when
should like, let's.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I was thinking that we could have Guy back on
Guy Brannan back on who show you you're currently on?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Right, uh, but what if we like have people write
in and ask their legal questions that they're curious about,
like what the fuck is this saying and that thing?
Like you have to write it in that sentence.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Then and then he's like, yeah, I don't know, I
don't know what those things are. Yeah, okay, oh no, no, no,
I was just trying to make a joke. I don't know. Yeah,
I think, yeah, if we had something specific and like
let it through to a certain.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, good topic. Okay, we shout him back on them
because that was a good episode.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
No, he's great, very good. And then it's like just
kind of a fun it's fun to have it's a third.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Person, yeah, and not tell horrifying murder stories. Hey, speaking
of Hey, is there anything else you want to But wait.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
You have a story about your uber driver. Dude, I
need to write shit down, dude.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh my god, let's start over. Let me start with this.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Uh, thank you for reminding me. No, that's why I
write things on my lips.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
My therapist today, I was like, what, what's wrong with
my memory? And she was like, well, you're sleep deprived
and anxious. Those will fuck with your memory. I'm like, okay,
I feel good about it, but now I don't feel
good about it. Okay, So I was I got an
uber to go to our Crack Podcast live show at UCB,
which I think they're gonna put up soon, which was

(17:05):
so much fucking fun and crack podcast as they're like
awesome dudes. So on my way there, like dude, to do,
I get picked up. I fucking first, I'm leaving a party,
and I shame Vince and Joe DeRosa for like saying
goodbye and like leaving me there to wait for an uber.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't know why I'm saying them. I'm just shaming them.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
So I get picked up by this dude who looks
like he could murder me, but he ended up being
super fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
He looks like he goes.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
He looks like he goes outside of Burning Man, you
know what I mean, Like he.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Stays there, like he stays real real outside.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, like he can't afford tickets and he like sells
drugs outside of Burning Man. But he but like, I
feel safest around those people more than like normal people.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Those are your people.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, sure, burning Man outside people.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
So he's like, so what are you going to UCB for?
And like chitty chat the way I hate ubers do.
And then I was like, oh, you know, I'm just
I have his pot cast and he was like what
is it about. I'm like, well, I'm murder, and you know,
I kind of like slowly he got some out of it,
and then he was like, oh hey, uh, what's funny.
I grew up a couple of doors down from John

(18:12):
Wayne Gacy and I was like, wait what And I
was like right around the time, He's like, uh huh.
I went to a party where my friend uh had
him as a clown at our party.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Wait, he was a kid. He was a kid.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
His friend hired John Wayne Gacy to be a clown.
He go the clown hoo, go the clown at his
birthday party, and he said that, yeah, he like John
Wayne Gacy would come to their school and watch wrestling matches.
And I was like, well, wasn't it weird and he

(18:46):
was like yeah, everyone knew it was weird that this
guy was into it. But he would then bring them
back to his house and his wife, and I was like, wait,
he had a wife.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
He's like yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Would bring them down and then what you've told me
before is how he would be like, let's have this
wrestling thing. I'm going to put you on handcuffs. Yeah,
he like knew he knew all that because that happened
to people in his town. And his wife would just
be like, oh, you brought these kids down with him
and they never came back up whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, that's the wife that eventually left him because she
just that kept happening and she's just like this is
so weird. She like calling the cops. She was just
like she didn't know what was going on down there.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
It was just kind of like it's moist someone with
not not like knowing what's going on.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Oh yeah, it was the seventies. I think people did
that all the time in their marriage. Is like we're
gonna go have man time and our man cave downstairs.
And she's like, Okay, I'm going to bed, but with children.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Like if she was suspicious enough to leave him, she
should have told the cops of her suspicions.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Oh, I can't speak to this at all.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I don't know anyways. So yeah, like on my way
to the you know what I mean, Like, should have
not married him to be I even married a clown.
Look listen, click and listen, look, learn the handcuffs alone,
get out of there. Like no, the going to selling
matches and having kids over for wrestling alone, like I've
been started doing that. I'd be like, well, this isn't

(20:05):
gonna this will not stand. You're going to prison.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
You'd be like one hand on the hip, Hey listen, mister, yeah, goodbye,
nine one one. On the other hand, Well, that's awesome.
I mean, that's the magic of getting into just anyone's car.
Try it, everyone, give it a shot. But that's why
we have this podcast.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's gonna be get into people's cars.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
It was kind of funny though, because on my way,
of course, Georgia got there before me because I was
late and on my way I was texting like I'm
on my way here whatever, and then Georgia Tech's my
Uber driver used to live across the street from John
Wayne Gacy and then I was like, you are lying,
and I would just all my responses were accusing her
to be like I make shit up all the time.

(20:47):
I just wouldn't accept it. This is not the truth.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
And I was like, I'm not fucking kidding.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
The other thing I was going to say is and
I want to say that. I was trying to look
up the name, but I realized I was being rich
to you, so I just put my phone down. But
I'm pretty I want to say her name is Marjorie.
I don't think that's right though. But we have a
person who listens to our podcast and loves it and
also who comes to mine in April's Improv Lab show

(21:14):
every month, which we really appreciate because God knows, you
don't want an empty room at the Mprov Lab. It's
a real good time. But anyway, there's a girl that
I met there on our first business class and who
was like, love the podcast, blah blah blah, and it
has come been super supportive. Well, I walked in to
the last show we did, and there's like kind of

(21:34):
an entrance way at the at the improv where people
stand around smoke and talk or whatever, and she's just
sitting at a table with her friends, and just as
I walked by, she just held out her hand and
held and handed me three decks of cards. So I
stopped and I was like, Hey, what's going on? And
then I look and they're the They're the cold case
cards that we were talking about on the podcast, and

(21:56):
she got them for us. We all got a pack
and it's we got to Florida's in a Connecticut. I
believe they're the cards.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Excuse me. They're the cards that had the law enforcement
would like deck of cards and playing cards that the
law enforcement would give two inmates to play cards with,
but there would also be cold cases of like murders
and all these things on each one, like explaining them
hoping that one of the one of the people in

(22:27):
prison would recognize them or feel like impelled, impelled, compelled,
thank you in prison and compelled. I just made those
in wonder, just.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Combined it to talk, which was a good idea. And
when you look at them, it's kind of creepy, but
then it's also fascinating, like you just want to look
at every single card. Sorry, Stephen just had to be
her name and it is Miranda, same thing, Miranda. What
did I say, Like Moranda writes Marabelle some horrible thing. Miranda,
thank you so much for thinking of us and getting

(22:59):
the thing that we were so excited to even talk about.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, no, it's super cool.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
It was basically this is like the partner item to
the the murder cards that we were the baseball cards
that we were looking at that Stephen got for us
for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean, we're just gonna keep fucking compiling cards.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
We just love cards. Hallmark, that's a ship, yep. Cards. Yeah,
all right, that's all our business, right I think? So
has it been forty five minutes yet? We got to
hit that Mark?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Cut half that out?

Speaker 1 (23:29):
See them? Okay, we are back. I mean it's like
the True Crime loop that we're always in where I'm referencing, Like,
you know, Greg Kennear needs to play Ted Bundy, right
since that time zac Efron has played Ted Bundy.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I still think that Greg kannear would have been a
great contender because he's so like his face gives you
a softness, a soft feelings.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Like the kind eyes on the kind of tented eyebrows
of a like concerned Christian man.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, which is like not to say that Ted Bundy did,
but I think that would get across the point, which
is he was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Yes, and
Zach Affron did a great job, but he definitely just
like he played more wolf than sheep.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
I felt, yeah, because he's Zach Gaffron was hot from
age eight, which I am sorry to say, but it's
like the reason that we know about him is I
know that's very questionable, but let's do an immediate corrections corner.
I shouldn't have said that, but what I'm saying is
it's like a vibe, and the vibe has to be

(24:42):
I will not hurt you. That's the problem with Ted
Bundy is he came off as the fair Isle sweater,
caring concerned. I'm volunteering for a suicide hotline, totally.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I'm doing the dishes after your party for you.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
No one suspects me, even when they're a female cop
who works alongside you. And here's that it's a guy
in a yellow bug and right our girl and rule
was like, can't be my friend Ted cannot be him.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
I mean it's a really good point too, because like
the hotter this the actor playing Ted Bundy is the easier.
You're like, of course she went with him, he's hot,
but Ted Bundy wasn't hot. It was so like that,
It wasn't like that. I want to see it as
like how we convince ourselves that everything is fine because
this person doesn't seem threatening. I do think that Greg

(25:34):
Kinnear going in that direction would be really interesting, like
that kind of that kind of actor, just maybe an unknown,
you know, an unknown or.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
You know, in ten years we will get a chance
to do this again and we'll pull out the old
Kanear out of the moth balls. Because I think he
is like semi retired. I think he's he is the
kind of person that would be done with Hollywood even
better for that kind of casting where it's like just
he wants nothing to do with the trappings of fame. Great,
get in here, because that's the vibe behind this guy

(26:04):
is Curson. Yeah, you're like this guy, my parents would
love him. That's the trick of fucking tent Bomby totally
the promise of when you think you've got the best boyfriend,
and he is the literal devil.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's exactly it. Okay, that's amazing. Okay, so we're in
my fucking pod loft for the first time.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean, do you remember getting that apartment and what?
I remember how excited you were, But I don't want
to speak for you. What was that transition like for you?

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, it was really wild, Vincent. I stayed at our
original apartment, and I stayed there before I met him,
longer than I necessarily needed the rent control for Yeah,
like that's originally why I moved in. I could afford
it without the boyfriend I had been seeing at the time,
and so I was like, this is the only apartment
I can afford without him, because you know, things were

(26:53):
going okay with the Cooking Channel stuff. So when we
just waited, it was that feeling of like, Okay, we
have some my and some savings now and Vince has
a good job and everything, but it could all come
crashing down.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Let's not get rid of this apartment.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yes, it was like I think like twelve to fifty
a month rent controlled, So like stepping up and getting
that apartment, which was like the nicest apartment either of
us have ever lived in. Yeah, it had like all
the trappings it had like it was like modern.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yes, it was cool air.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Conditioning and a dishwasher, and like down the hall where
like multiple laundry facilities, there was a pool, an elevator complex.
There's an elevator, ice ceilings, high popcorn ceilings. But it
was very exciting, I think for both of us to
be like experiencing it felt like the first material thing

(27:43):
that I could show for the success of the podcast.
And it was very, very exciting.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Very exciting. It was what I like to call the
Jefferson's effect, where you were moving on up and you
actually were like, this isn't It's not like what we
all do, which is like you roll the dice, you
use a credit card, who knows what's going to happen. Instead,
you were like, I'm gonna be as careful as possible
and I still get to make.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
This move right right, Like it won't be the end
of the world if we have to like downsize again.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yes, yeah it won't. You won't be totally fucked, but
you also aren't really rolling the dice in a real way. Also,
if you want to see George's apartment in the downstairs,
because I think there's plenty of pictures of the pod loft,
but when we did that Entertainment Weekly spread, the whole
photo shoot was in the downstairs of George's apartment right right.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
And then I also want to give a shout out
to Josh Kirby and John Beeley's for putting me on
the Real O'Neill's the show.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
They were they like, rowed us.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Apart and you couldn't do it, and I was like, well,
I'm doing it, yeah, And it was just so much
fun and they were so sweet, and they ended up
casting me in another thing when they were then writing
on Fresh off the Boat, so they've just go yeah, yeah,
So they're like my uncles. They've just even though I'm
older than them, I think they've just been really supportive.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, that's really nice. I remember that was I I'm
still on Baskets, I think at that point, and I
was like, you were like, hey, we could do this thing,
and I'm like, okay, I can't. Though I can't do
another job. I can't do another job. And also I
understand why you're excited. I literally spent all of the
nineties on fence and trying to do this. I never

(29:18):
want to go back.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
It was so exciting for me because I had done
it in the nineties as in early two thousands as
a background actor, which you just get treated like cattle.
It's really fun, but you are almost a waste of
space until a yell action. Yeah, So going on there
as like a person with a line with line and
a little part like I got to be put in
a trailer, I got an omelet like I'll never forget

(29:42):
when I was, when I was an extra and I
didn't have money for food.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
So you'd go on.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
You'd be the like fourteen hours day and you'd eat
the craft services. But the craft services for the extras
was not great. And I remember going to crack a
hard boiled egg and peel it and just the whole,
all the whites peeled off completely with the shell. It
was so depressing in a weird way.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
You peeled an egg down to the hardened yolk.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Because it was so poorly boiled and so cheaply bought that.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
How would you do that on the food Network. Well,
this is depressing, this is sad. This makes me sad.
You know, as I crack what I thought was the
shell of this hard boiled egg. The white comes off.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
As well, the entire thing just.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
And I'm left with a chalky yellow globe. Yeah that
was so.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I got an omelet and it just kind of that
felt like full circle.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Because they actually like when you are a member of
the cast, when you have a line that the craft
service people are like, what would you like? Anything? You'd like?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
You can have anything?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
And yeah that was Willie Walkers shit and that inside
sad yellow yoke, chalky yoke to a beautiful you truly had.
Really that is truly had.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's a metaphor.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Okay, should we do we get into the main the
stories of this episode. Georgia goes first on this episode.
This is her story about how the Amber Alert system
was founded. Thank you're first.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
All right, right, I'm gonna take it. I Bena fucking
take it.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Take it in, do it, limit love it, limit to
the limit? Close time? Yes? What was the theme? Can
you think of the tune? Yes?

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Hold on cause my mom worked there for a while. Wait,
we'll start it. Some things sound thing.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I went to see The Golden Girls Live, which is
Drew Drogie, Jackie beat Sam Pancake, Sherry Vine, unbelievable, word
for word re enactments.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Of shut episode on Instagram. But I don't know what
it is.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
You have to go. It's so funny. I told Joe
DeRosa about it because he is obsessed with the Golden Girls,
and he was like so mad that I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
But a challenge Scott. He has a Golden Girls podcast.
Have you met him? He's the best. No, you got
to bring him.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
But in between these scenes they go to real like
mid eighties commercials, and so there was the Shasta commercial.
I wanna pub I wanna Shasta. There were all these commercials.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Remember the theble gum one with two twins, double bow
double doublement gum. That's a statement of the great from
doublement gum.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Close.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I remember closed him because my mom worked for them,
and they had this this commercial where the like cute
hot model would walk out like kick her leg and
like keep walking. I was like close time, and so
my mom told.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
I'm like came crying.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I was like I was walking out of a meeting,
and I tried to do the like close time kick
like as a cute joke to end it, and she
like put my skirt caught and her skirt was too
tight and she just kicked both.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Of her lex out and fell down such a Georgia mood.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
So I cannot think of close time without my mom
kicking her fucking legs.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Close time is like the place where we beg my
mom to take us and she.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Gets shoulder pads.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
She was be exhausted from work, and we'd be like,
I just need one shirt, and you'd want to like
shop the whole store, and my mom would be like
five more minutes and like going crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Sheep hangers and these like sad metal fucking racks.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
And nothing ever fit me. It was probably small where
I'd be like, I want these tiny pants. I couldn't
wear anything for us.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
That was Mimi's cafe, and my mom would order a
fucking glass of wine from the poor fucking hostess who
couldn't serve wine, and just sit in the fucking waiting area, Oh,
waiting for a table, just chug wine.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Cool moms, Anyway, where are we?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
What's happening? Has it been forty five minutes yet? Okay,
we're almost there. I'm about to blow my nose on
my shirt? Really, she usually couldn't you con actually do
I have a tissue? Can everyone come from that?

Speaker 1 (34:17):
There was. I don't have a tissue, it doesn't give
a fuck. It was either my shirt or my cat
that was on my lap.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Then I chose my shirt, all right, all right, all right,
here we go. Oh alright, so remember time and we'll
take it too. No, not the same thing.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
All right.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
So last week I talked about Megan's it's your serious voice.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Okay, clearly I'm about to there's a cross eyed cat
staring at me the whole time. Megan's Law talked about that, right,
So then I was like, hey, what's another one of
those that like, we don't know the history of so
So January seventeenth, in nineteen ninety six, which is exactly
twenty one years ago today, So nine year old Amber

(35:16):
Hagerman is riding her bike in the parking lot of
an abandoned Win Dixie in Arlington, Texas, and she's with
her five year old brother. Have you been to a
Winn Dixie?

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Nope? I haven't.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Have you been in an abandoned parking lot?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Kind of, but just the idea of it, it simply
would not happen like today, not since ninety five. I
feel like this, this idea of children alone.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
In ninety six seems like to I think that like
it took a lot of small towns a while to catch.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Up, right, because people thought, oh no, not here, and
it's states right stuff. But like these days, never, never, they.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Wouldn't allow people like children in an abandoned parking lot.
They would like, someone will call it, get off right,
like you wouldn't be able to get out.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
But also anyone passing by would call the police. If
there was two a five year old and my seven
year old riding their bikes, it would be like a
major okay.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well here's why, yeah, but here's okay. So there were
about two blocks from their grandma's house. It was broad
fucking daylight, and someone drives into the parking lot grabs
Amber off of her bicycle like they didn't even try to, like,
he just grabs her and drives her away in his
black truck. There's one witness to step forward, and he

(36:33):
was a Neighbor's name was Jim Cavell. He's a seventy
eight year old retiree. Witnesses the whole thing and calls
the police right away, and he says, she was by herself.
I saw this pick up. He pulled up, jumped out
and grabbed her. When she screamed, I figured the police
I don't know about it, so I called them, that's
so fucking Arlington, Texas, Like, well, figure the cops should know. Uh,

(36:55):
he was nearby that and so this is what how
he described the person that he was a white or
Hispanic male, twenty five to forty under six feet tall,
medium bill driving a late nineteen eighties or early nineteen
nineties model full size American made black truck. And then

(37:15):
so Amber's brother Ricky goes home, tells his parents what happened.
They're freaking out In the abandoned parking lot of the
wind Dixie. There's also a laundry laundromat, and I guess
it was full of customers, but police thought that a
lot of them were in the country illegally, and so
when the cops fucking swarmed, they got the fuck out

(37:38):
of there. Yeah, and there was a truck that was
similar to that of the kidnappers spotted outside before she
was taken outside of the laundromat, but no one ever
came forward and said that they know who it was.
And there was a seventy five thousand dollars reward that
also had the promise that they wouldn't be deported if

(38:00):
they came forward with information, But no one ever came forward.
There's a huge search, and then four days later, a
security guard who's walking his dog late at night stumbles
upon the nude body of Amber's. She's in a creek
behind an apartment complex, which is less than five miles

(38:21):
from the grocery store parking lot. Amber only has on
a sock on her right foot, and an autopsy reveals
that her kidnapper had kept her alive for two days
and she was beaten and sexually assaulted, and then her
throat was slashed and she was down behind the apartment complex,

(38:43):
which makes you think that he lived there, or at
least knew someone who lived there and was staying in
town and had some time alone. Like, I don't think
it would be someone who actually lives there, because it's
too obvious.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, wouldn't make a lot of sense. Yeah, like you're
still at your back door, right, Ye.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
You're staying at your their in law's apartment while he's
out of town. And yeah, so after the funeral, a
woman named Diana Simone. She's just a random woman. She's
a massage therapist and a mother, and she's from Dallas,
and she fucking calls the radio station and she's like, Hey,

(39:18):
if if you guys can alert the public to severe weather,
why the fuck can't you do the same thing for
when children are adducted. She's just like, put some shit together,
and she's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, wait, say her name again.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Her name is Diana Simone.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
So she's a badass motherfucker. And she says, and I
wish I could do this in a fucking Dallas accent,
but I don't want to be insulting. But she says,
they're saying Amber was taken at four o'clock in the afternoon,
thrown in a pickup truck and driven somewhere, and that
nobody saw anything. And then she says, I'm sorry, that's
not possible. The problem was not that people didn't see them,

(39:57):
it's that they didn't know what they were seeing.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
So, nine months after Amber's death, radio stations and law
enforcement officials in North Texas launch what they call America's
Missing Broadcast Emergency Response, or AMBER alerts. They relay reports
of kidnappings to the public and it's an emergency response
system that the disseminates information about a missing person, usually

(40:25):
a child, by media broadcasting or electronic broadway signs. As
of December twenty third, twenty fifteen, there have been eight
hundred children rescued and returned specifically because of Amber Alert.
But unfortunately, Amber Hagerman's abduction murder has never been solved.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Oh no, I know, and.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Her mom's Amber's mom says, I know Amber would be
very proud of this. She was always another mommy to
all my children. But I also want people to remember
Amber that she had to sacrifice her life for Amber Alerts.
So like, mom isn't like, you know, empowered and proud
of this shit. She's fucking she's it's a bittersweet for her,

(41:06):
you know, like why why did her daughter have to
be the fucking vermake of this which.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Her child died?

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, so sad, all right, So it's never been solved.
But after I did some like sluicing the thing, I
found that the the only like connection to an actual
person that could possibly be involved that I found was okay.
So in twenty ten, DNA identified a man that twenty

(41:34):
five years ago UH had kidnapped sexually assaulted and slit
the throat of eight year old Jennifer Shwett. And Jennifer survived. Wow,
And I wrote and kicked major ass at healing and
working on herself. She's made her life's mission to speak

(41:55):
out on behalf of victims. After her Jennifer's attack, she
laid dying in this fucking field of her.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
That's that's when I survived. Yep.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Have you seen her with the pink She's got like
pink cairn. She's kind of like punk and goth.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
And the guy took her out of her bedroom through
the wind.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
App oh dude, and I know, okay she I mean,
this chick is like the epitome of like here's how you.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Get back your life? Yeah, big time. She's amazing. Yes.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So she was in the field at eight years old
for twelve hours before she was discovered, and in her
hospital bed she had a scribble notes to the police
and she said that her attacker said her name, his
name was Dennis, and she wrote she did this amazing
sketch like she was fucking on it and in it
she was like I knew I was gonna die and

(42:40):
I was going to get every little information like bit
of information burn into my head. And it turns out
that the dude was a four year old welder from
North Little Rock, Arkansas. He had a wife and three kids,
and his DNA was on file because he had been
like he has a fucking rap sheet of assaulting and

(43:02):
kidnapping women. There's a ghost train going by my fucking
new apartment. Okay, so he had been He had been,
you know, the normal arrested for rape and assault and
only got this many months and in one case a
weekend in prison for rape for it got you know,

(43:27):
bargained down to pled down to like, you know, bullshit stuff.
So he had never actually been really convicted of kidnapping.
Blah blah blah. He confesses to kidnapping, raping, and trying
to kill Jennifer shoot her body was She was lying

(43:48):
naked on her back on top of a fire ant nest.
Fourteen hours later, she woke up covered in fire ants.
She couldn't move. She tried to scream something about the
fire ants that kept her alive. And I don't know,
I don't remember who it is.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I think if I'm remembering yes correctly, because this is
another one that's like crazy. I survived if you can
see it. She's one of those people, like you said,
the way she talks about it, you're like badass. Yeah,
Like there's you know, I think something inside of you.
When you're losing a lot of blood, you're not supposed
to go to sleep, like, so you don't lose consciousness.

(44:23):
And I think they kept her awake. Oh my god,
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. You just watch her
eyes survived, look up Jennifer and whatever city in Texas.
This is because she tells the story is chilling.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah yeah, okay, so she's so he gets arrested for
all of this, which is so similar, and that this
was in uh in Texas and she had been kidnapped
from a Texas apartment, So I mean, it's so similar.

(44:57):
I don't think they have DNA from Amber's body, so
there's really no way to tie it together. And unfortunately,
this motherfucking dick sucker killed himself in twenty ten, but
he had confessed and she says, you chose the wrong
little forty five pound eight year old girl to try
and murder because for nineteen years, I've thought of you

(45:20):
every single day and help search for you. And every
year that's past has given me more strength and drive
for when I finally would be face to face with
you as I am today. In his sentence six, she said,
but motherfucking Bradford hanged himself in his cell and that's it.
I mean, so he went to jail for that attack
he did. Oh, that's east killed himself.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
So, I mean it's just such a similar an eight
year old girl that he kidnapped, yeah, apart, slit her throat,
left her for dead. This one happened to survive in Texas,
you know, in the nineties. It's just so Amber another
like person who's done a lot, but at the expense

(46:03):
of their life. Yeah, bombed.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
What's that you like? Bombed? Yeah, Yeah, it's a bummer.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
It is a bummer, but I think it's an important story. Yeah,
and it's horrifying that he was never found, Like what
the fuck? Well, yeah, like there was.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
I was really surprised that you said that, because that
I know of that little girl, because of Amber alerts,
and so I just completely assumed that that was a
fully like the case that came all the way around,
and that there was a prosecution for it, and that
was part of it.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
That one in Megan's lots, Like they're more horrifying than
you would expect them to be. And uh, they've done
a lot, but it's just so heartbreaking. Yeah, like it's
so awful, awful, but we should also know about it.
And honestly, like I when I got my cell phone,
I like turned off the Amber alert. You can turn
off the like emergency alerts on your phone and maybe

(47:00):
want to turn mine back on because like you do it.
I'm god, I am I'm going to like what if
you fucking see a fucking you know.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Well, and also what's the problem, you know, what does
it take? It's not it's not like interfering with your life.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Whatever, And it's just they had so much information to
go on based on that truck that you know, there
was a system set up they didn't find her.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, is scary.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
And I feel like someone knows their brother in law
or ex brother in law or cousin or uncle you know,
is suspicious but don't want to come forward.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah. I think it's always that you know, yeah, or
your other guy.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, but someone yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's a good one.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, Okay, that was a very very tough story.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
You have updates for it, I do, I have some updates. Unfortunately,
Amber Hagerman's murder remains unsolved. In the three decades since
Amber's abduction, police have received over seven thousand tips.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Wow Arlington Police.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Sergeant Grant Gilden told People magazine that they continue to
receive leads, several of which they investigate extensively. It's also
never been considered a cold case, as it's never gone
one hundred and eighty days without a lead coming in,
which I guess is what they classify a cold case on.
I do wish they would. I mean, maybe they could
release more evidence, another little piece of the puzzle so

(48:31):
someone out there might put it together. But I am
not in law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Also, I would be very interested. I bet you, just
knowing the online sleuthing world and the way people dedicate
themselves to specific cases, I bet you there is a
solid group of online sleuths who are trying who are
probably the ones that are calling in with that new
information or trying to push that cold case forward.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
But if you gave them one more little piece of
the puzzle, like it reminds me of a Shelle McNamara's
book I'll Be Gone in the Dark. She sent away
for some cufflinks that she found at a like thrift
store online that sounded like a pair of cufflinks that
had been stolen from one of the victim's houses.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Like that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yes, is so intricate and interesting, and I just, you know,
I think there's a lot of those out there that
could be helpless stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
So Guilden believe the killer is still alive, and police
remain hopeful that recent advancements in DNA testing and new
tips from the public will help solve the case. Amber's mother,
Donna Williams, still lives in Texas and she's a child
safety advocate. Today Amber Alerts are used in all fifty states,
the District of Columbia, parts of Indian Country, Puerto Rico,
the US Virgin Islands, and over forty five countries. And yes,

(49:47):
I put it on my phone finally, so rest assured.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Great. Yeah, I mean that deep tragedy that then begins
to represent advocation for missing children and children at risk
is a beautiful, you know, kind of testament to Amber's
mother's work.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Definitely, And it's just I'll never forget that the woman
who called into the radio station and said, we get
alerts about weather, there has to be a system for
missing children, and like, what a simple idea. That's just
a huge revelation. Yeah, what an incredible legacy to have.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Also, and then now there's also silver alerts, which I
get on my phone when people with dementia walk away
from their houses, which is really important. That happens a lot,
and that legacy grows with that kind of like looking
out for each other, an organized looking out for each other.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
It's beautiful, absolutely, and so also according to the National
Center for Missy Unexploited Children, as of December thirty first,
twenty twenty four, this past December, at least twelve hundred
and sixty eight children have been recovered due to the
activation of an AMBER alert.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
So amazing the legacy is there. Yeah, that's huge.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
All right, let's get into Karen's awful story about Luca Magnata.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Well, mine is super gross and upsetting. It's but it's
I feel like it's always a tiny bit better when
we when it's not a child murder. Yeah right, those
are the ones that just get us.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I'm sorry, I know, but I think they're important, of course,
I mean, it's horrifying there's no like.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
What, yes, they're definitely important.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Like I'm apologizing because because it's like, it's hard, it's
a hard thing to talk about in here.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
So this one is we have gotten so many tweets
about it and so many requests to do this one
that I was like, who the fuck is this guy
that people keep on being like how could you not
have done this yet? And so I started looking into
it and they're so many. It is so detailed that
what I did was tapped old Arge Morris, now you

(52:01):
did it? And I was like, can you help me
do research? Yeah that it's not going.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
To make any sense until the week after this episode.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
I don't care. By then it's going to have caught
like wildfire.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Sarge Morris were here, So that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, so this is this is Stephen A. Morris's research.
But it's such a good story and it's super intense.
It's the story of Luca Magnata, the Canadian.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yes, dude, dude, dude, tell me everything.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
We always think the Canadians are so chill, sweet when
they were Mabel Syrup and they're flags yea, but not
this specific one who was born Eric Clinton Kirk Newman
on July twenty fourth, nineteen eighty two, in Scarborough, Ontario,
when he was twenty one, don't We don't know that

(52:54):
much about his childhood, but when he was twenty one,
we know that he started stripping in a Toronto club,
appearing in low budget gay porn. So not a glamorous life.
And that was in two thousand and three and two
thousand and four, he was convicted of impersonation and fraud
after he befriended a mentally incapacitated twenty one year old woman,

(53:17):
applied for credit cards in her name and charged up
ten thousand dollars in fees.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
So this guy's got some fucking straight off the twenty
one year old.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Bat ish use issues issues. It's some serious issues, okay.
I would say Narcissism was going to be in there.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Sure at some point, sociopathies perhaps the sociops. Let's throw
them all in there.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
So he was. Before he was sentenced to nine months
of community service and twelve months probation. His lawyer actually
showed the court a medical record claiming that he had
significant psychiatric issues.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Ah, I want to read those reports so bad. I
know like details, like some psychologists is sitting there in
a fucking room with him, and they're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Shit, I'm gonna underline significantly.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yeah, this person just like tried to get some money
off a person. But this motherfucker is like.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
This motherfucker is manipulating mentally handicapped people to get credit
cards and has like I guess, okay, that's this is
just we're laying down a base coat.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
When you do your nails.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
This is the primer.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
This is like when you're making when you're making something
and you put in the what's the thing with the
you know, the carrots and the celery and the not
A rou is the like.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Sauce.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
No, you're right, listen, I have a cooking.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
No, I don't listen. I'm from the cooking tail a
h okay, so then you no, wait no, it's mere pa,
a mere pas, the onions. Yes, a rou is the yes,
so okay, the rus the start of something else like
a beschmall sauce. Great, like wow, it's been a while, okay.

(55:08):
So in two thousand and six, he legally changes his
name from Eric Clinton Newman to Luca Rocco Magnata. So
that's a completely made up name, which I love it.
He wanted to see him Italian. You know how Italians are.
Uh So he applies for bankruptcy in March of two
thousand and seven, saying citing illness, lack of employment, insufficient

(55:28):
income to pay off his debts. Way, we've all been there.
But then after the bankruptcy, his quest for fame kicks
into high. Garrett was questing for fame. He's questing for
fame in a big way. So he wants money. He
wants to live Sheila EA's glamorous life.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Like you and I know, like at this point, like
the fame, isn't it like what people say it is.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Stan cut that part out. Fame is still popcorn ceiling, man,
you got to get that popcorn ceiling life. Okay. So
here's what he does. He auditions for a reality show
called cover Guy. Oh you can see the opening credits. No, no, no,

(56:11):
I'm saying, in your mind, cover Guy. He declares in
his casting video that quote. A lot of people tell
me I'm devastatingly good looking.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
You know that that shit would sell now, But like
whatever year that was, they were like, what is this shit?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
What are you doing? He was not chosen.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
He was a reject from cover from cover guy, What'll
break your heart more?

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Then? Well, this that he auditions for the reality show
Plastic Makes Perfect, Oh launting his multiple hair transplants, knows job,
explaining how he wanted to get pectoral implants. He was rejected. Yeah,
explain my face right now. So it's just not the
fame plan is not going as expected to.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Get rejected from the bottom of the barrel, you know,
is the bottom of the barrel show You're.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Not good enough for a plastic surgery show? Yeah? So,
uh So, then what he started to do was focus
his efforts online. So he twice created Wikipedia pages for himself,
only to have them taken down by the self policing community.
Imagine what was on those.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
It's Wikipedia, Imagine the self like the self policing community
is like, they let so much shit fly, and then
they're like, this fucking idiot, not this guy, Not this
fucking idiot.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Uh Then he created the rumor on message boards that
he was dating Carla Homolka the yep, the wife of
Paul Bernardo who killed two teenagers along with raping and
murdering her own sister.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Oh my god, this is how okay, I did not understand.
In my mind, whenever I saw people write this thing,
I thought he was paulper I think I can I
got these whole thing like, these whole things confused. Yeah,
this is exciting.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
So this is a guy who he creates the rumor
on message boards that he is.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Dating her, but he's not the one who killed her sister. No,
that's her husband. I thought he really did that.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Then the husband goes to jail, she I think, goes
to jail for a while, but then gets out. And
then he decides to tell people he's dating her now
that she's out to get that kind of infamy. That's
the level of celebrity he's going for now. But then
he calls into a radio show to deny the rumors
that he started online. Then he visits a newsroom in Toronto,

(58:40):
and that's the first time he's on mainstream press talking
about it and denying it. Oh sorry, he said he
dated her in the nineties, not when she got out
of jail. All right. So then there's many profiles on
various internet social media and discussion forums created over several

(59:00):
years to plant false or unverified claims about him, and
he would himself immediately dismiss these as rumors and hoaxes,
and a campaign of cyberstocking. According to the police, magnotas
set up at least seventy Facebook pages and twenty websites

(59:22):
under different names. Seventy Facebook pages. Can you imagine how
many naps?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
That is?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I mean, how many other things could you have been doing?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Naps?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
In twenty ten? This is the part where it's going
to turn and you're going to get upset. Okay, do
children get In twenty ten, he posted a video called
One Boy, Two Kittens, where he assixiated two tabby cats
using a vacuum cleaner, yeah, and a plastic bag. This
is why I've never heard of him, and until he

(59:57):
was tracked down, he was just known as the vacuum
kitten killer.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
How does that even work? So you put, oh my god, yeah,
that was a big jump from seventy facebooks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I know. Well, here's the thing. All that other stuff
isn't working, so he keeps doing things. Attempt after attempt
after attempt were like, no, no, how it is right?
So then he's because he's a sociopath, because he doesn't
really care and he doesn't have any empathy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
He does that. Oh my god. Okay, Okay, Now we're
in twenty twelve and it is May twenty six and
a Montana lawyer named Roger Renville sees a bizarre Internet
video depicting a man being stabbed and dismembered. He alerts

(01:00:50):
US and Canadian police about this video and they dismiss
it as a fake. He just saw it, like where
it was posted, so it was uploaded. It is called
one Lunatic, one ice Pick, and it was uploaded to
two gore sites, which were super explicit places that were

(01:01:10):
like super violent. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
This guy who's like on gore sites is like, this
is too much for me, like what you know, like
it had to be that awful.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Well, he's a lawyer, so maybe he was looking on
there for this reason.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Okay, Well because he reported it to the police, so
it looked really like oh, maybe he's like seen gore,
like real crime scenes and bodies, so he knows what
it looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah, that's kind of I think that's what they said.
Holy shit. Meanwhile, Luca Magnata has flown from Montreal to Paris,
and when he arrives in Paris, he was wearing a
wig and a Mickey Mouse t shirt, super chip and
then so basically that was on the twenty six is
when he flew to Paris. Three days later, on the

(01:01:56):
twenty ninth, the residents of his apartment building start complaining
of a foul smell.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Nope, never complain of a foul smell.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
So the janitor then discovers a suitcase next to a
mountain of garbage bags behind the building, and inside is
the headless torso of a man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Now. Six pm that same night, a package containing a
human foot is received at the Conservative Party of Canada
head headquarters in Ottawa, and it had been mailed from Montreal.
At nine pm, a package addressed to the Liberal Party
headquarters in Ottawa was discovered by postal employees to contain

(01:02:36):
a human hand. What the fuck? So, after taking statements
and finding evidence in the trash, including a blunt instrument
and papers identifying Luca Magnata, they and the police enter
his apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
So like he did this on purpose, Like sent this shit,
like knowingly that it was his stat like gonna lead
to him on purpose? Uh sounds like it. No, what
do you mean? Never mind?

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
No, I don't think so, okay, just they so so
police enter his apartment and it's actually a very dark
studio apartment. And then they find a bloody mattress and
blood in the refrigerator and scrawled in ready and incite
a closet. Other words, if you don't like the reflection,
don't look in the mirror. I don't care. Oh my god.

(01:03:25):
So when a rest warrant is issued for Luca Magnata, so, uh,
the Interpol adds him to the wanted list and people
in Uh, he was in Paris and he was declared
an international fugitive and uh, he's they start getting you know,

(01:03:46):
the cops start getting a ton of tips that he's
at a bar, he's trying to crash a house party.
He actually took the bus to Berlin. His name was
all over the papers and all over televisi and the
French media nicknamed him the Butcher of Montreal, and the
German media nicknamed him the Porno Killer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
So the Butcher of Montreal is way cooler.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
He uh is much better. So he gets to uh,
this is this is my favorite part. He gets to
in Berlin. He gets to an internet cafe. This is
about a week after all that, and the guy that's
working there. A man walks in wearing sunglasses and makeup

(01:04:33):
and says, bonjour Internet, and so the guy kind of
notices him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
This episode is called bonjour Internet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Right, and uh so the guy working there recognizes this
man's face who walked in, but he can't place it,
and so he's looking at the guy. So the guy
goes over to a computer and you know, rents it out,
and the guy from his workstation is looking down at
the monitor that this guy is using, and he noticed

(01:05:02):
that this man who's wearing sunglasses is looking at article
after article about the killer in Montreal. Oh, and so
then he puts it together that it's him. So can
you imagine. So basically they go up and they're just like,
you're that guy, right, He goes, you caught me? A

(01:05:23):
what in the fucking fun? Yeah, So he basically got
caught because he was googgling pictures of himself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Idiot. So I feel like, you just there's nothing good
that happens in internet cafes and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, not anymore, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah,
something's wrong. It's over now. Yeah maybe nineteen ninety seven,
ninety eight, that was the last time. Yeah, Okay, So uh.
Then on June fifth, the package containing a right foot
was delivered to Saint George's School. Another package containing a
right hand was sent to False Creek Elementary School in Vancouver.

(01:05:56):
Both schools opened as normal in the follow the following morning,
and it was confirmed that both packages were sent from Montreal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
But were they staggered, like who was sending them?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Then he was sending them all from Montreal, but they
were different places, so like vancouverar's further away. So Magnata
is arrested and then he's transferred to a Berlin prison
hospital and a psychiatrist believes that he's in a psychotic state.
So meanwhile, the police identify the torso victim as Lynn

(01:06:32):
Junn and he's a thirty three year old Chinese computer
science student at Concordia University. It's unclear how he met
Luca Mangotta and an internet cafe. Well, they say that
Magotta had been posting men seeking men in the Men's

(01:06:52):
Seeking Men's section of Craig's List under an alias, and
so basically they go back and check the vis and
they see Lynn John had been had entered Luca Magnota's
apartment building. And then like the next day is when
they see the video where Luca Magnota is taking things

(01:07:13):
out and putting them in the garbage can He.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Just wanted to love and be loved and like got murdered.
That's so sad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Yeah, uh yeah. So then he gets taken back to
Canada on a military plane and then they find Lynn
John's skull at the edge of a small lake in
uh and Grin and Grin on Park after they get
an anonymous tip, so someone may have found it. And

(01:07:42):
so not only does Luca Magnota go to trial obviously
he's arrested and charged with murder, but the police charged
the website owner who posted one Lunatic whatever the name
of that video was. That guy got charged with corrupting
morals one Luna Tic one ice pick why And he

(01:08:06):
ended up going because it was real but he didn't
know it was real. Well, but it's his responsibility. He
probably I think probably in watching it, like the lawyer,
did you know? Yeah? Oh god, so is it out there?
Can you? Like? I wonder if it's out there? I
have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Did you ever watch Like what was that website? It
wasn't sick dot com, but it was something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Rotten dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Rotten dot Com.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yeah, did you ever click through that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Yeah, that's traveling.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yeah it's a bummer, but I've seen yeah go on. Uh.
So basically he just goes to court and he ends
up they give him a life sentence with without the
chance of parole for at least twenty five years. And
they tried to say in the court case that he's

(01:09:01):
basically that he was crazy, and uh, it doesn't work,
and he gets basically the full extent. Uh, And they
added on all these other charges. It was like first
degree murder, but then also committing an indignity to a
human body, publishing obscene material, criminally harassing prime ministered. I

(01:09:21):
mean all that sending stuff to government stuff made it all,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
So did they say what he had liked, how he
killed the guy? And then like was the dismemberment after
he was well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
It's all in the video, so it looked like they
he stabbed him to death and then dismembered it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
He says, Christ, can you imagine if you'd like watch
that being like this is fake, and then like going
back and being like, oh you fucking watched him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Well that's why all that stuff is like, why would
you want that in your head? It's so it's such
a bummer and it's such bad vibes, even if you're
faking something like that, like what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Well, I'll look up like crime scene photos sometimes and
then like I there's ones that are like clear they
clearly can't be fake, and I'd be like, Nope, it's fake.
It's like I have to commit, like commit to it
being fake or else I'll lose my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Yeah, it's not. I don't think it's good to have
those pictures in your head. Absolutely not. No, And it
doesn't help you. It's not like you can't imagine what
it might be like, right. He also so anyway, twenty fifteen,
Luca Magnatta he tried to file an appeal for the convictions,
but it didn't It didn't work, and he actually withdrew

(01:10:34):
the appeal himself. So apparently someone I don't know if,
I don't know what happened, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
I was like, cut it out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
He was like, you know what, I'm going to drop
this whole fame thing. Maybe I'm going to try to
do something else. Finally, I'm just gonna I'm going to
get into Buddhism. H. So that's the story. Now I
understand why everybody was so obsessed with it, because it
truly is insane and horrible and beyond that's going to last.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I'm gonna listen to other people now, because like I
always thought that, I always I never looked that one up.
Everyone does constantly want us to do that one, and
I always thought it was connected. I got that one
and that horrible couple kind of the paper. Okay, yeah,
I always kind of thought it was the same thing.
I was like, I don't need to know about this one.
So I didn't realize I have never heard any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
I know me, I didn't know it was that like
crazy detailed. I didn't know he was like the idea
that you're sending body parts to the Prime Minister or
to like grammar schools, all those things where, and then
knowing his whole thing of wanting to be famous.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Like you're that needy that you would like he didn't
murder someone because he wanted to murder someone. He murdered
someone so he could put the video up online.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
And that's what it seems like. It does him like that,
which is so gross. I mean, like I guess it's
it must be an element of most killers, the thought
that like everyone will know me or I'll have this power,
sure they'll all become renowned or.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Whatever, like most of those people do, like like, uh,
what are the killings called when like you're out in
public and you kill a bunch of people like a
mass murder, like they do mass murders to do that,
not what he did, which is like so personal and creepy,
and then it's almost like forcing other people to watch
it well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
And also it's it almost seems like just this lame
modern version where it's just like, oh, I'll put it
on YouTube, you know what I mean. I'll put my
super gross, you know, serious mental problem on YouTube and
get a bunch of hits.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
And like force other people to have to deal with
that having seen that for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Yeah, but I mean that's the thing. If you're looking,
you're gonna find it. Like you have to remember if
you're if you're on a horrible gore site, then that's
what you might look at, and then you're gonna have
that in your head. Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
As someone who like can't sleep at night, it's so
easy to just kind of like click on this thing
and click on the next thing, and then suddenly you
find yourself at this like place and then suddenly you
see some shit you don't want to see, but you
can't look away. It's like not like you're like fucking
typing in like man murders another man. It's like you
just like, I've seen some shit that I didn't realize

(01:13:12):
I didn't want to see until I saw it, you
know what I mean. Yeah, and it's hard to get
out of your head. But who are you to like
other people are looking at it because they want to
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
It's fucked up. Yeah, uh, that's amazing. That was crazy.
We finally did that one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Finally.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Thank you, No, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Okay, wow, Karen, we're back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Any updates?

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Yes, a couple. So. In twenty eighteen, Luca Megnata's mother
co authored the book My Son the Killer, and in
it he spoke out publicly for the first time since
his conviction, saying that he regretted his defense strategy. The
quote is, it's very annoying. I never wanted anything to
do with the NCR, which means not criminally irresponsible, which

(01:14:05):
is Canada's version of the insanity defense or approximation. I
have no mental illness whatsoever. I had to go with
it even though I didn't want to, but my lawyers
pressured me into it. End quote. So just kind of
a real sociopath, psychopathic move of I'm here to argue

(01:14:27):
about how people see me being defined as whether or
not I'm criminally responsible. I am criminally responsible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
And someone else did me dirty and that's why. Yeah,
that's why, period.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Yes, scapegoating blaming and still yeah, that's the one comment
he makes. According to CTV Magnot is currently imprisoned at
the medium security in Lamacaza Institution. He'll be eligible for
what they call day parole in twenty thirty four and
full parole in twenty thirty seve yikes, And of course

(01:15:02):
we all know that. A year after that, in twenty nineteen,
Netflix released the legendary docuseries Don't Fuck with Cats, which
was all the cyber sloths who basically banded together to
find Luca Magnata after he started posting videos of himself
killing kittens online. Did you watch it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I was yes, born not to watch it. I even
never watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Here's the thing. I recommend it because it's essentially you
get to meet these incredible personalities, the people behind the
term cybersloth. You like to talk about it, but actually
you meet and hear from those people, and there's one
woman who is the best.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
We can avoid We can avoid the disturbing video parts,
right absolutely, Okay, yeah, like I could pass for it. Okay,
I just I've been too scared obviously, but I yeah,
it's a fucking classic. I need to watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Yes for sure. And also just this story is the
origin of the title of this episode because Magnotta himself
went into an internet cafe wearing sunglasses and makeup and said,
bonjour Internet. So that's who we're actually quoting here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Let's change the name because we should quote someone else
and not him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
There's plenty of other hilarious things we say in this
episode we should not be. You know, these are the
things we're only a year in. We still haven't learned
not to do things like quote the killer himself for
the title of the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
I wonder if maybe we should also consider titles that
come from the rewind part this part of the episode.
For the title change you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
That's for the rewatch when we start doing video episodes
of the rewind, it's going to go in forever into
a circle.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
It's going to be one of those video of a
video of a video happening right now, yep, where it's
oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
God, basically you standing with a video camera of a
mirror and then it goes off into a million come
up it is it is? Okay, So that was my story.
So we're going to go into what's essentially the wrap
up of this episode, the old wrap up, where we
are now doing good things of the week, because we
need to counterbalance our discussions of all of this difficulty

(01:17:20):
with some good stuff. So it's we realize that it's
slowly dawning on us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Yeah, I love mine because it's the beginning of Jacuzzie Cat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Gus the Jacuzzie Cat.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
I think we lived there like two or three years
and he ended up becoming one of my best friends.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
We heard a lot about Gus the Jacizi Cat over
the years, yep. And this is just premiere such a
special cat. Okay. Well you'll hear Georgia talk all about that, yes,
and everything else that we kind of in this wrap up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Can I tell you I forgot about this I was.
We we moved in this new place this weekend, and
the first day we moved in, I was walking down
this like the staircase, and this like girl with a
really cute dog walked up and she was just like
cool girl, like not cool, you know, she was like
someone I would have drinks with, a cool girl, and

(01:18:14):
I could have sworn we walked by each other. She's
whispered stay sexy. I am serious. I think she whispered
stay sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
That's creepy, which is so creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
But I think I'm also I think I'm also really paranoid.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
No, I know I'm also really a paranoid. You're definitely
really paranoid.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
But it sounded like she said something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
I mean, I guess you'll find out, so I'm gonna die.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Do you have a positive thing?

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
That's what I thought you were doing, And then then
turned into that I thought you were doing a positive
thing when you saw that story. And that's not positive.
You know, it's not I realize now that's it just
like a twist aaroo at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
My real positive thing. So I'm in this new apartment,
a new apartment complex, and uh, there's this thing that
happened yesterday, and it puts two of my favorite words
together as one. And so my positive thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Is jacuzi cat. Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
There's a fucking giant black cat and Vincent, I'm in
the jacuzzi. This fucking giant black cat strolls over to
the side of the chacuzzi and like I thought, I
was in fucking Narnia, like let me pet him with
my wet hand, like I just was petting him, and
then he had a collar on. I looked at the collar.
His name was fucking Guss.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
While you're sitting in I got in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
The Chaozi was about to cry because how happy I
am that I get to be in a like this
is my dream. I can't believe this. And then this
cat just fucking saunters on a named Guss, like that's
a fucking fig and he was like I think he
was an alien, Like he was kind of like watching
the perimeter, but like letting me, like only me pat

(01:20:01):
him like wet hand, like a wet hand.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
It was like it was a dream. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
That's good news about your future jacuzzie experiences. Zi, Yet,
what if it's a different one. Next time Annabelle comes up,
she's all white, Oh my god, with one green eye
and one blue eye.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Dude, Steven and I were just talking about how there's
a fucking cat at the fucking Cash shelter named Cappuccino
who's white with one green eye and one fucking blue eye.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Whoa named Cappuccino.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
No, yes, but it's still a white cat with a
blue ray and a green eye. Fucking matrix, man, I
don't care what my therapist says about detachment fucking issues. Yeah,
this is the matrix.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Oh yeah, you gotta tap in, You just gotta tap in.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
What's yours?

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Well, I guess I would say it was going to
see the Golden Girls Life, which I had to go.
I went and did Jamie Lee's podcast, so I was downtown.
It was kind of far away, and I bought this ticket.
And when I went to buy the ticket for Golden
Girls Live, you usually can roll up and buy as
many tickets as you want. It's like it's one of

(01:21:14):
the scrolly things, and I could only roll up to one.
So I was like, oh, whatever, I'll just if I
can only have one, all of one. So I bought
that ticket. So it turns out I bought the last ticket.
The guy told me because he was like, you're not
on this list, and he like checked it a ton
of times, and then he went on to the website
to get their list, and then he goes, he watched
one girl's name disappear and my name took her place,

(01:21:36):
and he goes, literally bought the last ticket. I'm like,
machelle yese. So I had to sit in a chair
in the aisle. He goes, here, you can, you can
sit right here, and so like everyone else's kind of
you know how it is in that room. It's like
raised up, and I was like someone's weird handicapped grandma,
where I was just in a chair in the aisle,
like I'll fire it here. Yeah, exactly. So the show starts,

(01:21:58):
the lights go down, and they put up the opening
screen of the Golden Girls, and then the theme song
starts and everybody starts singing the theme song. No, everyone
starts singing the theme song together, and it was everyone
was like laughing and smiling. It was like a very beautiful,
like bonding moment in this weird way where it was

(01:22:21):
just really nice and it was you know it's like
eighty people or something.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
I would play just bring me next time. I would
love to go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Yeah, we should totally go. It would be so fun.
But it was just like a lovely First of all,
I like a group sing it's always very like cathartic.
But then everyone knows every word to the theme song
to the Golden Girls, and like some people really belting
it out and with you back to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Like a moment in time, like you you know, I
stayed at home. I was a kid and I watched
that with my family. Yeah, totally Friday night.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
That's what you did. It was that was That's what
was going on with everybody, with the whole It was
really lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
They have a mug. I follow Jackie beat on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Oh, I bought one of those mugs. Thank you for
being a cunt. It's all those guys dressed up as
the Golden Girl.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Thank you for being a cunts. Like I can't even
handle how fucking amazing that is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Yeah, it's super good.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
So you know, that's a great moment.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
So what a great kapper. All right, that was a
nice little ending for the old episode. And now here
in the rewind episode, we're going to obviously retitle it bonjour,
Internet's gotta go. That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
So this is such a weird word to see written,
but we could call it we have to reconnoiter.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Mm hmmm, what a weird word. Yeah. I think it's
an army style word, you know what I mean, it
makes sense, reconnoitering. It's like, we have to figure this
out again. Sure. Also there's Greg Kennear pops to mind
when we're talking about the Ted Bundy conversation, because he
really does. He does.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
And then when we said cut half of that out,
but it was forty five minutes of an intro, Oh
my god.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
And Georgia gave a really good direction to Steven in
terms of editing. Just cut half of it out. I
think it's true. Half of it is shit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Just fucking do it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
But I think the real title needs to be a
jacozy cat.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah right, what a good boy guess. Yeah, Well, we're
not going to say goodbye because it turns out the
old US, way back when and Elvis and his new
pod Loft say it for us. So here's the end
of the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Y'all. That's our episode. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
You know, Twitter, Facebook, Places, merch Instagram feelings, here we go.
Buy tickets if you're in a city where it is
not sold out, we'd love to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Check what those cities are on the Facebook page and
stay sexy and don't get murdered. Elvis my cookie, Yeah
you cookie Akeybye line H.

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