Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 61: Live at The Neptune - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Nay, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping our old shows
with all new commentary, updates and insights.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Today we're looking back on episode number sixty one, which
we named Live at the Neptune.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
This is a Seattle Live show and the episode came
out on March twenty third, twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
So let's listen to the intro of episode sixty one
by Hey guys, Seattle, Hi, Hi, Seattle.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Are these microphones on? Can we no? Can you hear us?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Me?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Me?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Me, me, me me? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
What's empty?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I'm scared of that empty row? Who said the fucking
empty row lights up? I want all those names? What
do you say? Dead bodies?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
The fucking Reserve family is a real bunch of dicks,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Crazy. Whose family is that?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's it's a Jim and Donna Neptune And they always
get fifteen seats at every.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Show that they do. Oh my god, it's so good
to be here with you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
This is so exciting. We uh, this is the very
last night of our weekend tour. First tour.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Ever, Yes, we're wrapping it down with seattle.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Thank god.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's for last and just in time, because we thought
it would be a good idea to wear the same
dresses for the whole leg of the Western tour, so
you wouldn't cheer for.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
It if you could smell it.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
These I love them. They're going straight into the hotel
room trash when I got home.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, it's all filth. Now, it's all ruined. This feels
like a dress.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
When I first put it on the first night, I
was like, I'm a gorgeous princess. And tonight I'm like
I feel like Harold's mother from Harold and Maud.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
It feels like gross, polyestered.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
But pocket, find me, find me, find my light, find me,
follow me. Now, I come do this with me. Like guys,
they won't participate, We won't do use confuses. There, it
is there, he is there.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh she was just gonna keep going.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
There's someone up there that's so mad. Right now, I
have this in the fucking sewing.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, we should wear different dresses every night.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Now, I'm how about pants and old shirts?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Okay, let's just wear whatever we want.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I'm not sure the dress thing may have been sarcastic
at first, and then now we have to like weirdly
commit to like it's our tour and we have to
be fancy in theaters.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
And it's like, well you're not.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, okay, here, guys, yeah you know what that we
just the night that we did Seattle, we fucking decided
to wear whatever the fuck we wanted.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
I'm gonna start feel that, guy, feel that freedom.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Feel it.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm so relieved I'm never wearing a bra again. Fucking
just can't. And I think I'm like past the point
of not being able to wear a bran anymore. But
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
How long did that take? You just made it.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I came home one day and Vince was like, oh,
where were you out and your own people. It's like
he's like, I can see through your shirt. Fuck that.
Like I don't care, but I just fucking can't do it.
I mean, it's just I should take it off anyways.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Hi, Hi, Yeah, you just went down into a hole
there by should but I.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Shouldn't anyone ever thrown their bra into the audience and
not the audience throwing their bron to the stage.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Maybe I bet they have, Like once.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
A fourteen dollars target bra Yeah that smells so Karen.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I also, you can tell it's the end of the
tour because my fingernails look like the ones Catherine Martin
saw and Buffalo Bill's.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Well can you see them?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Good fucking I don't you know what I've been doing,
but literally it's like I look like I've been trying
to climb my way out of a murderer's basement.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
That was a great reference. Like I really dig the
you just did.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah, that's what I do for a living. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Uh So you texted me when we got to our
hotel and you were like, and I was like this
hotel and you were like, I think it used to
be a hospital. And I thought you were joking. And
then I checked into my room and I think it
used to be a hospital.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
He used to be a hospital.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Everybody, it smells a little bit like a haunted.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Bleach, and like, yeah, there's a in the bathroom. The
bathroom door has one of those like what's like the
ship windows. Yes, that's round, and I think it's for
like to make sure your patient isn't like sneaking drugs. Yeah,
so like the nurse can look in and hello, are you.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Okay, don't shift yourself with that soap. It's not allowed.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
It's very rehabby. It's rehabby.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
This is it's rehabby.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
There's also there's kind of a feel to it. I
was sitting in there typing as we like to do
before shows and for a while so that the lights
kind of went dark and I hadn't turned any lights on,
and then in the hallway a child screamed and I
almost I was like, oh my god, the funk because

(06:24):
it doesn't there's no carpeting.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I heard clonking upstairs and I was like, that'd be
funny if it was a ghost.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, but it's just there's no carpeting.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
But did you see there's a giant pillow on the
bed that says sleep with Me. And I'm like, oh,
that's my sleep podcast I listened to. So maybe they
maybe they're fans of that podcast and insomniacs here, I
know what I'm talking about. What what just.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
The idea that your hotel would be like I think
I know what podcast she likes?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Sewing a pillow? When did you make that reservation three
days ago? Sewing sewing all night?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Staying there again? I mean we've been given weirder gifts.
Am I wrong? Uh? So this is my favorite murder.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Hi everybody, thanks for being here.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
You're freaking We're into it now now you like doing
light stuff?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Okay, good to know.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
That's so scary, like we can't really see anyone, which
is good because it's scary. And it feels like when
like when like large Marge makes her face all it's
like with the lights.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Or no, when he has to like it's just one
one lady with a huge face in the middle, it's like, ah.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Fuck, I don't I don't want to see that. I
want to pretend that this is not real. It's fun,
It's totally fun.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
It's we're in a fight, ladies and gentlemen. We're in
a fight.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
When we were upstairs, there's a record player and I
put on the record that was there, which was like
a k Tell I think it was called like Emotions
or something, and there all these songs from the eighties
that were like every song from my junior high dance
and so I was kind of getting like an acid stomach,
and Georgia was like doing something else, like it seemed

(08:11):
like she wasn't paying attention at all. And then all
of a sudden there was a song on and it
was sticks. It was a stick song. I can't remember
what it was. And all of a sudden George snaps
up and goes.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
She doesn't even have a good voice.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
It was so bad. She suck made me feel like
I was in a grocery store, like a sad grocery store. Yo. Sorry,
sticks fans just.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
A ballad, were a singing leg.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
These that's all it was in the eighties, that's all
we had.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
No, I don't I don't need that.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
We wanted more.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
We had Color Me Bad, just low dance too. No,
that's how old I am.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh yeah, I was blackout drunk for Color Me Bad.
It's probably up here a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, it was fun. Oh this is the other.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I didn't start out on the store wearing these shoes
with a dress that probably wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Be my first choice. I was like, fuck it, I
can't do it anymore.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I had like huge.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Heels for a while.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
You had heels on? What that man?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Poor?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Who?

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
What am I doing?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
No offense? What else? We did a Vancouver show last night,
which was I think one Guy's Oh that's right.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
There's a wagon train that came down from Vancouver that.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Said this show.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Now I think they're over there. Guess what. So at
the end of the show, we were like going to
have some of these like to release and stuff the
live shows, and then they were like, that didn't work.
We didn't get the recording. So that was an exclusive show.
So we're gonna be maybe tonight, you guys, things will
happen and this will be an exclusive show too.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
But yeah, they came to us after and they're like,
it just didn't record, and we're just like, well, it
is a podcast, so so we'll just tell everybody about it. Yeah,
so if you get a call, we're gonna be like
episode fifty eight.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Here's basically how it went.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
It was so good, so I go, best show and
then George's like, and then I'm like a Canadian name wrong.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Oh my god. We were hilarious last night.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh my god, best we've ever been in our It
was fucking incredible. We've ever been death jokes everything you like, punts,
terrible puns and dons me fine, evens like like you know,
talking about Stephen all the time, yelled at Stephen, yelled
at Stephen a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Did she seem magical?

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Someone a bunch of people on Instagram. I wrote a
thing about like that. It didn't record, and everyone was like, Stephen,
you had one jobs like over and over and over again.
It wasn't even there.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Wasn't even there.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
He was insctantly sitting in Los Angeles rooking his own mustache, and.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
He's like, I'm sure he was like, did I do
something wrong?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
I guess you know what I probably did.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I probably did.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I'm really sorry, sweet little I love Kats. My name
is Steven, go bless his soul.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, that's a great description of him. Yeah. Oh, the
reserved are finally mister and missus reserved are finally here.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
So can we get those real quick? Just real quick.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's my cousin Danny. Come on, Oh my god, Oh
come on.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Danny, let's sit right here.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
You think, guys Georgia, you think you're better than us?

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Hi? God, how are you nice to meet here?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
This is my cousin Danny Brown. He's the youngest of
all the cousins. Well, Chris is the youngest, right, Chris
is the youngest. Oh you know, called said, hey, I'm
going to be in Seattle. This weekend too, Can I
come to your show? And I said, beyond time? Wait,

(12:22):
will you really quickly tell the story? So I don't
know if any of you you probably aren't, but if
there are any San Francisco Giants fans in the audience.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Couple, then there's problems.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I know.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
So there's oh good, So do you want to tell
that story of when you got you were got to
be famous?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
For fifteen minutes? Do you want me to do it
for you? And you can just chime in, you do
tell a better story than I do. Well, So that
was part of the genetics. I got all those, all
of them.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
So Danny looks like Posey who is the catcher for
the San Francisco Giants quite a bit to the point
where right I didn't know that. A man in the
front said, yeah you do, so now we know it's true.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
So Danny worked in at.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Uh it wasn't Candlestick, was it.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
It was his at and T Park. He worked at
the park.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Then one day he was leaving and some little kids
walked up and they were like, oh my god, Buster
pose can we get an autograph? And He's like, I'm
not Buster Posey. And then more people came up and
after girls. So he just started signing autographs.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Ruined rookie cards.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Some guy like in fifty years goes to like he's
been saving it for his children for retirement, and he
was to bring in a cash it in and they're like,
this is a fucking forge, dude, that's real, zero value
way to go.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
The economy collapsed. He's like, don't worry about it. You
have got this thing.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Grandpa has got you.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
All right, you can go, you know, Danny Brown, Ladies
and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Good job to myself.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Now you're fine. You're fine. We'll talk about it at Christmas.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm so glad that was your cousin, Gott. That was great.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
It was just a person that I would have yelled
at him anyway. It's what I do. It's my passion.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
You you wear it well?

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Thanks like this stress like this goddamn dress.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Should we talk about murders?

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Should we talk about some murders? Do you want to
do that?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
And if one guy's like, oh, I didn't know that's
what they were really, I'm not really into that.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
No, thank you?

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Actually, like, why would anyone want to talk about murder?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Keep talking about your clogs. That's what we really I really.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Love clog cast clog.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
No dance Go presents the clo Do not steal that. No,
it's copywritten.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Our laureer's in the reserve section and writing everything down.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
You'll be here in forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, we're back the end of the first tour.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
My God, to announce that that tour was ending when
actually it went on for four years straight is so hilarious.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
We're so naive.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Do you have a sp I don't remember that specifically.
I do remember the last show we did in Austin
at the end of a tour, and I sat in
a bathtub with a bag of Bucky's beaver nuggets, and
so I don't think anything can beat that ending of
a tour.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I mean, that is a classic. I don't remember the
feeling of the tour ending. I just, first of all,
I remember that theater because it was white with red
seats like it was and it felt like the lights
were up the whole show.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
And I think we did two shows in one night.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh, I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
So it was like in the first meet and greet,
one of the people that came to say hi to us,
was like, are you doing different stories in the second show?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
And we were like no, and they're like oh. And
then they.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Literally basically told us how disappointed they work as they
bought tickets for both but now they're just going to
see the same thing twice. And then after that we
never repeated stories.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Was that the one okay, because I do I remember
the disappointment from that, but I don't remember which exact
city it was, but I'll never forget that feeling.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
That was a real like, oh yeah, good point, Like
I didn't ever contemplate anybody buying tickets to both shows.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Totally, even if they're not the same night, Like, even
if they're days apart. It's like, you're not gonna go
to more than one this shit, yeah, but you should. Hey,
guess what we're having. But actually this is just to
tell you that we learned our lesson and every single
show on our tour this year in the fall of
twenty twenty five, coming right up is a different story

(17:03):
for both of us. And no, we don't know each
other's stories. No repeats, that's right.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
We won't repeat any phrases. You won't hear anything you've
ever heard before. It literally every single word will be
now now we won't say the word the nuts. Watch this, Yeah,
it'll be incredible. This was actually I do remember because
meet and greets. I think you and I liked the
idea of like how cool that would be, but we
didn't know what we were signing up for, so we

(17:29):
were definitely scared of what we were like, what could
this be? Do you remember this one where the guy
came and he was in a wheelchair, but his feet
were wrapped so it looked like he had just injured himself.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, he rolled up. I go, what did you do?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yes? I was gonna say what did you say? Because
I remember you saying something all of my god.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
No, no, I don't know that's a person that could
be differently abled and like in that chair all the time.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
I have no idea who that person was.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, I felt this kind of like as we said
hi to people over and over again, one hundred times,
I felt myself turn into this like phony who was
like what are you doing? And then I did it
so inappropriately. And this guy he didn't miss a trip,
He didn't even notice. He was just like I need
to ask you a question. It was as if I
didn't say anything. I was like, oh thank.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
God, because it looked like, yeah, it looked like he
had like recently injured his legs.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yes, and so, but we don't fucking know, like you
don't say that, you don't. At this second it was
out of my mouth. I was just like, is this
all over? And now?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, you want to just ruin everything you.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Wanted to say something. You want to say something new
and special to every single person, which is why it's
a very like challenging experience, right, But maybe yeah, but
you don't have to because they want to say something
to you, not exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Just it's it's the rule of all of life, which
is you actually don't have to do anything. You just
like the people who who really have the secret to
life are the people who can be quiet. O. But
I mean, I've never in my life what a skill
to learn how I don't know, to not have the
pressure of feeling like you absolutely have to like participate

(19:16):
and or lee Lee, and yeah, I say.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
We're doing it now to each other. Yeah, they're like
letting go that I have to lead every conversation in
a way that's like it's up to me because everyone's
going to be upset with me if I don't, or
everyone's going to be uncomfortable with me if I don't
like learn, I'm going to learn that lesson for the
rest of my life. But practicing it is like such

(19:43):
a nice piece of self care that I have really
enjoyed the past couple of years.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Maybe, but I'll just for the sake of argument Devil's
Advocate and say, when you and I first met, when
we went to Joe Deros's Thanksgiving dinner, the reason I
liked you so much is because you were doing that
and it was hilarious. So you were like, remember you
were like, yeah, we're not just going to sit here
in silence, okay, say the weirdest thing, and you were

(20:09):
like doing exactly that in this way that actually was
helping a kind of like almost borderline somber living room.
It almost felt like kids trying to have an adult party,
and everyone felt very everyone felt almost nervous about it.
So you were you were breaking it up on purpose.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I think, yeah, maybe I was doing it right. I
was in the right then doing it. A bunch of
male comedians you like don't share feelings and like can't
and none of us are with our families and shit
like that on Thanksgiving. Yeah. But the other thing is
I can't eat in silence, so I have to ask
questions the whole time I'm eating because if someone doesn't speak,
I'm I can't just sit there and masticate.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yes, you know, so that means something, something is terribly
wrong if they're if they're silent.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
It's same with like when you come from like a
loud talkative family, which is all I mean, every single
person in my family is like can you stop talking
so I can talk? And to then interact like where
you're the only one with a quiet family. It's one
of the most upsetting things I've had. It happen a
couple of times where you just feel like the way

(21:12):
you interact is wrong.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah. Yeah, crazy, which is like like basic like human
experience interaction.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Is being in the world.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, and you're doing it wrong and you're fucking it up.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Speaking of which, this is such an early show of
like before we were learning lessons both good and bad,
and I think at this Seattle show we realized if
there are heavy hitters out there to cover, we should
do it.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Because at the theater, Yes.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
At the theater the way that audience reacted when I
said what my story was was crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I do wonder that, like should we I mean,
we've done all the heavy hitters, but like if we're
ever going to do a heavy hitter again live, the
other person shouldn't tell the story, you know what I mean?
Like you, the whole thing should have been you doing
Ted Bundy.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Oh because you were just chiming in and what you
knew too.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
No, because you didn't have enough time to cover such
a big story. It's the same thing with Jack the
Ripper when you did that.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
It's like we could have devoted the entire show to that,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, but then we would have gotten heckled for changing.
People want to go and see you play the hits.
It's like Hotel California or else.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I'll still talk over Hotel California.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
And ask people questions, what do you like about Hotel California?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, I don't know, but we did it. And actually
this episode itself, like these two stories I think are
just like really I think, close to us and close
to our hearts. Yeah, it's a good example, and I'm
glad we're backing, coming back to it.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Also, I do remember that hotel like it was yesterday.
Oh it was because well, first of all, would it
help you if I told you that the decor was
as if a college boy wanted to do a tropical
theme in his bedroom. So there was like yellow paint,

(23:08):
fake plants, I think, and like the weirdest bathroom. No,
and it was just around the corner from the theater.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Okay, I know, I don't. I don't know how you
remember anything from twenty seventeen trauma.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
It just gets locked in there.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I just let it go, goodbye, good bye. I don't
remember yesterday.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Well do you remember having that seat through shirt on?

Speaker 1 (23:32):
No, but that could be one of many. I really
poor bras and so sometimes you know that gets me
into trouble. But yeah, I'm still working it out. I
still don't know. I still don't have like my bra
that I love.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, it's still I like the idea that we're like
on stage talking about like that we're sick of the
because we wore the same dress that was like our
show dress for the tour.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
That's right, that's so gross. Do we wear the same
dress the whole tour or just the weekend.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I mean I think I did because I was like,
I don't have time to shop and it's like it
was that lands End dress with the pockets that.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
I love, but that was just like one, Yeah that
was great.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
It's comfortable whatever. But I just think it's funny that
I it was just like, well, here's my tour dress
that I can machine wash and then bring to the next.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Great that you cleaned it. I don't think I would have, right,
sweat is sweat, But you know, I think I don't
think it's a bad idea. Now that I'm shopping for
this tour and it's just these like it's just been
dress after dress. Yeah, one dress. It sounds like a great idea.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
One dress does solve a lot of problems. It's just
kind of like here, look for us. Here. It's like
we're the flight attendants that are just like a little kerchiefs.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
One dress to rule them all? Should we get into it?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh. Also, just to be rip to that last show
that was so good that we'll never have again, the Vancouver.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Oh Man, which one was that? Did you do the
feet that kept washing up? And shoes?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I somehow fucking remember.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
That and I think that's the one where I stood
up and gave a very short book report about Vancouver
because we kept fucking up cities and Canada stuff and
provinces so much.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
I was late because I was sick, right, maybe I
think I was sick. All right?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Oh, but you know what, there's a very good chance
I'm blending because we've been a lot of goodites multiple times.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Toronto.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I don't know that it could have been Toronto. But
I also remember Stephen was at one of those, so
he wasn't there when it was the lost recording, and
he took a lot of shit for the lost recording and.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
He wasn't there nothing to do with it.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Oh sorry, the moment of my cousin Danny being the
one that's late at the reserved seats that were bitching about,
I mean, you couldn't have written that better. Just like,
let's shit on these people, Danny, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Okay, now let's.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Get into Georgia's story about the murder of me as
a pata.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I think, what do you want to go first? You
want me to go first?

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Well, I went for his last night.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay, then I'm gonna go first.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, we're off, we're off a little bit.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, someone someone gave us while they were at the show.
They gave us a little rock and it says K
on one side and G on the other, and they
said you can just flip it whenever you want to
know who's going to go first. And it was like
pretty brilliant.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
I thought they could have done that on a quarter.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, now we have to carry around a big rock.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
So thank you.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
It's pretty It's like, thanks, yeah, pretty good sized rock.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Okay, this one, okay, this is what I said this
to my therapist in last week and last week in
therapy because I'm bad at this. I might cry just want.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
During this murder.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Huh if you do, will you walk up stage and
like really I mean downstage and really like give it
to the people, look up to the could we get
it spot if she starts crying. Oh, I know, I'm
bugging you, but.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I didn't know that what that was. Yeah, all right,
because I saw a document about this, like this is
probably one of my like really young murders, you know,
like young is in like early teenage. I know, you know,
I saw a documentary about it. It fucking ruined me. It
made me feel so awful. It's always stuck with me,
partly because for ten years it was a cold case,

(27:26):
which you know, I'm obsessed with, and so it's one
of those like big things that have no answers, and
you always, you know, think about it and imagine what
could happen, and then when you find out it gets solved,
it's just so pointless and empty. It doesn't feel better,
you know. So this is the story of mi as
A Pata. Yeah, Seattle's fucking yeah, I might cry, Okay.

(27:50):
So MIAs A Pata is born in August of nineteen
sixty five. She's raised in Louisville, Kentucky, and she was
always obsessed with music. She learned to play the guitar
and piano at nine years old. She would listen to
punk and jazz and everything in between. She just was
obsessed with music. And she had a voice like a

(28:11):
jazz singer. It was like Janna Choplin's voice. It was amazing.
And then in nineteen eighty four she goes away to
college in Yellow Springs, Ohio to study liberal arts. And
in nineteen eighty six she meets three friends and they
start a band. It's Steve Moriarty Matt dread Dresner, and
Joe Spleen. They formed the punk band that Gets Yes

(28:34):
Yeah and So Matt, who was a member of the Gets,
said that I went to many shows where afterwards people
didn't even know I was on stage because their eyes
were so transfixed on Mia because she just had this amazing,
amazing stage presence. He said, she was like a blue
singer fronting a punk band. And then in nineteen eighty eight,
they recorded their and self released their unofficial debut album

(28:57):
called Private Lubes Loves Loves What the fuck? I wish
this was Champagne and it's not. And then and then
in nineteen eighty nine, the band relocates to Seattle. Here
you are because there's this huge music scene that you

(29:20):
guys have all heard of all the time, and it's
just kind of getting big. Yeah. Did you guys know
that you had a music.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Did you know that people like music and they came
here to make it?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Who knew? I thought it was just la uh. So
Mea gets a job at a local trashy dive bar,
which I bet is a fucking like classy cocktail bar
with fourteen dollars drinks at this point, right, local trashy
dive bar. It was down the street from a mental
hospital which.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
She loves, which is our hotel.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Dude, dude, it's true. I believe it.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I'm not kidding. I'm gonna look it up.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
I think you're right. MIA's described as someone who commanded
respect and interest immediately, and she and the band members
move into an abandoned house they called the Rat House
and Capitol Hill district where the band rehearsed and lived,
and they earned a huge following in the local scene.

(30:16):
They have met a lot of friends and they kind
of just like Mesh right into the local punk scene
in the community. And let's see. So, MIA's described as
funny and kind. She love meeting new people. She would
help friends recover from drug addiction. She took in homeless acquaintances,
and she helped a lot of people through various crisis.

(30:37):
She was a really open and kind person. Everyone said
she was really funny and always joking and shy, but
a really good friend. So during the nineties, Buzz begins
to surround the Gets and they release a bunch of
singles on local independent record labels. They're known for their
like powerful driving music, you know, like punk with these

(30:58):
amazing lyrical poetic lyrics, lyrical poetic lyrics. And then in
ninety two they release their official debut album, Frenching the Bully,
and they their reputation gets even bigger in the Seattle
scene and they begin to work on their second album

(31:18):
called Enter the Conquering Chicken, which is titled after MIA's
chicken tattoo which it represents her childhood nicknamed chicken legs,
which is adorable. Ninety three, Atlantic Records offers a single
to the get or offers to sign the gifts, and
they set up a national tour. And Mia was never
really into the idea of getting really famous, and she

(31:40):
all she said she wanted to do is get a
cabin in the woods, an old jeep, and a shot
and a sheep dog. To write shotgun that it sound
like I was going to say, a shot.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Gun to shoot sheep dogs.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Where everybody has a dream, where you get to you
get to have whatever you want as your dreams.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Spreading false rumors. I know that's what favorite murder. It's
not right. No, So just days before the tour is
about to start, on July seventh, ninety ninety three, Mia
leaves one of her regular hangs the Comet tavern in
Capitol Hill, which we're all going to meet at. Afterwards,

(32:20):
she's looking for her boyfriend but couldn't find him, and
then goes to visit a friend named Tracy, and Tracy
says that that night she was really agitated and distracted,
and Tracy urged her to stay the night at her house,
but Mia said she would just take a cab home.
She wanted to leave. I think she was upset with
her boyfriend because he wasn't around. And this is the

(32:43):
last time that Mia Seina alive. She They think she
walked a few blocks in the direction of her place
or went a different way, just kind of like to
wander the city. And either way, an employee at the
Comet remembers her wearing her head sat as she left.
So it's thought that she was listening to music in

(33:03):
her walkman, and so wasn't kind of paying attention to
her surroundings and not listening and didn't hear I mean,
not much. What a fucking We don't will do anything anyways,
Like if she hears someone, she can you know whatever, okay,
And then at three point twenty, a sex worker discovers
MIA's body in the hundred on the one hundred block

(33:23):
of twenty fourth Avenue South, which is in the Central
District drisject of Seattle, and it's kind of known as
a seedy neighborhood at the time. And she's found in
the street on her back with her arms outstretched and
her legs straight and crossed, and she had been beaten
and strangled with the cord of her sweatshirt, which was
a gits sweatshirt, which is like that. And then I'm

(33:46):
gonna cry, and she had been raped, although the police
kept that part out like from the public for years.
I'm not sure why. Then, Karen, you.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Just can't turn that page.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
We just have to stop the show.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, okay. So it's thought that she encounters her attacker
around two point fifteen in the morning, and that she
had been killed somewhere else and then transported to the
location where her body is found. And it's about two
miles from the studio where her body was found where
she had been, and it's on a dead end street.
And the cops don't think she had been murdered where

(34:31):
she was found. They thought that someone brought her to
the location when after she was dead, and there was
like there's many theories of what could have happened. She
told her friends she was taking a cab home, so
they thought that maybe one of the drivers had picked
her up that night, and so they looked into all
of them to see if anyone had picked her up,
and nobody had. And then a man had heard a
horrifying scream. He said when he was at home near

(34:55):
the reservoir, which ended up think three miles from where
she was found, and so I thought maybe she could
have walked towards the resume that way, which is where
he heard the scream, and he ran outside. He heard
this scream and it was so awful that he ran outside.
The only person that was ever seriously questioned was as
a suspect was MEA's boyfriend, and they were in the
process of breaking up, and he was described even by

(35:18):
his friends as scary. Yeah, but he passes two light
detector tests and gives hair and blood samples. He shows
up for every appointment, he's super cooperative, and he has
a solid alibi, so he's cleared. And then the police
have no suspects to question. At that point. They didn't
have a crime scene or witnesses, and so the case

(35:39):
went cold, and after her murder, Seattle's music community, including
Nirvana and Joan Jet, helped raise seventy thousand dollars to
hire a private investigator for three years via benefit concerts.
So yeah, it's pretty fucking rad. So meanwhile, police think
that Mia had been killed by a random killer. Some

(36:01):
people think that, and many people in the punk rock
community thought that she had been killed by someone that
she knows, and I remember believing that for so long
when after I had heard about it, and some people
thought she that whoever killed her hadn't been acting alone
because she was posed in this christ like pose, that
someone had carried her feet and someone had carried her

(36:22):
arms and then left her there. And then also people
thought it might be a serial killer because of the
ritualistic pose, and also a cup from her bra was missing,
so they thought maybe that the serial killer had taken
it as a souvenir. The private investigator funds end up
drying up with no major breaks in the case, and
the investigator. The private investigator lee heron. She just continues

(36:43):
to investigate on her own because she's obsessed with it,
which is pretty fucking cool. Then, in ninety eight, after
five years of investigation, Seattle police say that they're no
closer to solving the case than they were right after
the murder. And for ten years there's this crazy suspicion
and accusation and fear throughout this whole Seattle community. Everyone

(37:05):
is just wondering who this can be, and it's going
to happen again because there's no there's no rhyme or reason.
Then ten years later, in two thousand and three, the
Seattle Police tests DNA against the national database, which they
had tried in two thousand and one and had no results,
But this time there was a match. A man who
had recently even forced to submit DNA in the database

(37:27):
when he was arrested in Florida for burglary and domestic
abuse in two thousand and two is match to the
DNA found at the scene, specifically the saliva from the
bitemarks on MIA's chest, which thank god they fucking collected
that in m like ninety three. You know, Heyzeus Mezkia,
he's forty eight, he's from He's a Cuban native who

(37:48):
lives in Florida, Keys. He didn't know me at all,
but he lived just three blocks from where her body
had been found. Meskia is this huge hooking man. I mean,
if you see video of him, he's a giant, and
he has a history of violence and sexual assault against women.
He was a drifter in the nineties and he spent

(38:09):
time in Seattle where there was a report of a
decent exposure filed against him, and it had happened near
the Comet Theater within weeks of when me is when
he had been killed, but there was no no links
to the two of them, so it was just a
random attack, which is fucking crazy. He never testified in
his own defense and still maintains his fucking innocence. And

(38:32):
the theory is that he saw her leave the bar
and followed her before he attacked her and drags her
into his car assaults her in the back seat. He's
convicted in two thousand and four and sentenced to thirty
seven years initially, which doesn't seem like enough, right, and
he appeals and then he's sentenced to thirty six years instead.

(38:57):
She's like, Okay, what the fuck, Like I just don't
even I am sorry. And he's been in prison since
two thousand and three, is still alive. And this is
her dad said, you don't realize what forever is. You
drive your daughter to school, tell your wife have a

(39:19):
good day, I'll see you later. But you see, you'll
be together at the end of the day. But then
something happens, and forever is forever. It doesn't matter what
you do, how you do it, how I pray, how
I wish, Nothing on earth is going to bring me back.
That's that.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
That's awful, it is, I know. I mean, I remember
seeing that one. I think there's a forensic.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Files of it because right because I just.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Remember seeing it, because every forensic files, that old guy narrator,
it was always like these random people and suddenly he's
talking about like the punk scene in Seattle. Hearing that
guy talk about it, I don't know it.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Was it was.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
It was like bone chilling where it's just like, fuck,
this is really a real thing that happened. It's not
like something that happens to someone in you know, Idaho.
It's like something you can't connect with, Like all right,
I know that's that wasn't a judgment. I'm just trying
to pick a random state.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Something we have, not like you know, someone's mom, like
a mom. I can't identify with that except I have
a mom, but I'm not one. But yeah, it was
like they showed footage on the forensic files of like
the Punk Show, and it was like, oh, I've fucking
been to those things.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, I fucking walked drunk away from a one thousand bars.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
So it's just that chilling feeling of like fuck.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Alone with headphones in Jesus. Yeah, it's so that's really sad.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Well, bye, take it away, Karen. Okay, we're back. Do
we have updates on this case?

Speaker 1 (40:54):
We do. More than thirty years after her death, Mia
Zapata's art and music continue to make a mark on
the punk rock scene, influencing both old and new generations
of fans. Of course, In twenty twenty four, The Gets
drummer Steve Moriarty published Me as a Pada and the Gets,
a story of art, rock and revolution. He thought it
was important to paint a picture of Zapata in a

(41:15):
way that hadn't been done before, to reclaim the narrative
about her short but incredible life. Her killer died in
Pierce County, Washington, in a hospital in twenty twenty one.
The story is so it's so weird, to read that
thirty years later because I first heard about this story
when I was like really young, and so to now

(41:38):
be so much older than she and so she had
been older than me, and I always like thought of
her as this like amazing woman to look up to.
And now reading that I'm so much older than she was, yeah,
and that just is a little like mind boggling to
me because I always, you know, she just seemed like
someone who I would have looked up to. So now

(41:59):
to be so much older than she ever got to
be is really.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, you're just like she was a baby.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yes, it's devastating. Yeah, all right, well let's keep going
and get into your story. I fucking remember when you
said it and they lost their fucking mind so crazy.
This is Karen's story about Ted Bundy. And I really

(42:25):
set you up for failure, didn't I.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Nope. You want to know why?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Why?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Because I'm doing Ted Bundy.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Right, like, that's come on, this is it. This is
how we.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Do it, fucking dropping it and picking it back on,
fucking and like what is this?

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Here's something meaning full? Now, here's a super monster. Here's
your hometown super monster. Congratulations to go.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I'm not gonna cry on this one.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
No, no, no, uh, but I am glad you did that.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I think that that means a lot. Nice.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, this is a nice little this is a nice pairing.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
What are we talking about? What is this?

Speaker 1 (43:24):
This isn't a fucking cheese and charcooterie place?

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Did Here's a funny thing? When I was looking up
this stuff? Uh? Someone he on one page they said
Ted Bundy, sometimes known as the co Ed Killer, sometimes
known as the Angel of Decay.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
What that sounds like a dentist, like.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
A golf dentist. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, what if there's a dentist serial killer, then that's
what that is.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I mean, they're already so horrible.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
I mean I've never heard Ted Bundy called the Angel
of Decay.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
This never happens.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I feel like that was like a weird u ur
L link and they just went to someone someone's weird
poetry page.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
It's like, no, that's not don't click on that.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
But as probably many of you have already.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Know and have already read, one of my favorite crime
writers is Anne Rule and write. She's just like she's
the fucking Stephen King of true crime. It's crazy. She
churned it out for years and years. God bless her
soul and her story. I wish if this, if I
had all the time in the world and I could

(44:41):
really fucking here's what.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I would do.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Let's I would now clear the stage. I would put
on an Ann Rule costume, and I would do a
one woman show called The Stranger Beside Me.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, I fucking say in the audience and yell.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
It would be like fuck you.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I'd be yes as real loud.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
That would because her story.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
So if you don't know, Anne Rule was a crime
writer who in the seventies had been a cop and
had become like a crime beat reporter, among other things.
I think she still worked in the police department also
in some other ways, but she also volunteered at a
suicide prevention hotline and that is where she met the

(45:30):
amazing mister Ted Bundy. She worked side by side with
him on the night shift at a suicide hotline, and
she he was a close friend, and.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
She used to like to say if she was ten years.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Younger or her daughters were fifteen years older, she thought
he was the perfect man.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
This is why you never let your mom set you
up with any your mom. Yeah, next time she tries
say guess.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
What, Mom, Yeah, don't pull that Anne ruleshit on me.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Mom, Eric from your office could be a serial killer.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Also, I just love this is my favorite kind. My
favorite kind is the ones who like wear like fair
Isle sweaters and like, hey, I'd love to treat you
to a bottle of shabilee or where you're like, I
never saw it coming.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I'm never and that he.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Is so that way that even this woman who like
herself had studied psychology, was had been a cop all
these things, did not see it, didn't see it. Over
and over again, even when the like the evidence was
piling up in front.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Of her face, she'd still be like, it can't be him.
It's that's crazy. It isn't him.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
I just can't of that. I mean, I guess today
is different these days, but fucking fuck.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
But I think it's also you know, it's also a
tribute to his insane, like you know, whatever where he was.
I like to say, my favorite one to say is psychopath,
but who really knows what that means? Not me get offended,
Some get offended, some just want me to be accurate.

(47:14):
I think he was a sexual, sadist psychopath.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
I think so. I think he enjoyed. He really got
off to on manipula like that was part of his enjoyment,
is just living in playing.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
And manipulating people. And he he was really quite something.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
All right, let's talk about to do it so.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Uh So his mother, Louise Cowell, uh this is how
he started life. His mother got pregnant out of wedlock,
so he was raised to believe that his grandparents were
his parents and his mother was his sister. That's fine,
it's fine.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
George Clooney. It didn't turn him into a serial killer,
is it? George Glinning knows it? Who is it? He
was fucking naming people rumors I'm spreading.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
It did not affect Brad Pitt one bit.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
What's the problem with someone? I swear someone's yelling some
famous person? Yes, someone tell me.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Bobby Flay, Oh.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
George Kloony, someone else? Jack Nick? Thank you? Yes, Jerrells?

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Are you just picking one?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Swear to god? That's when I met Okay, same fucking thing,
those two. He did fine with this exactly. It's a psychopath.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Although the shining all right. There were also rumors that
his grandfather, who was he was raised to believe was
his father was actually his father, but that's just gossip.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Stop gossiping about all, by God.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
So he graduated from Woodrow Wilson High School in Tacoma
in nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Whil Is.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
He won a scholarship to the University of Huget Sound.
After two semesters, he transferred to the University of Washington.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
A bunch of fucking educated listeners in this audience.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
So they loved school, how about?

Speaker 1 (49:26):
And then they didn't go to college.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Wow? Then they went for a year and a half,
stopped going to class, then just thought.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
They could hide the report card, and then just signed
up for class so they could get their mom's health insurance. Yeah, alright, sorry,
I've interrupted you.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
After two semesters he transferred to the University of Washington,
and there he meets Stephanie Brooks, which is a pseudonym.
I didn't know that for a long time. Makes me
really mad. Always thought her name was Stephanie Brooks. That's
a pseudonym. Stephanie was a beautiful girl from a wealthy
California family.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
They dated for a year.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Ted is way more into her than she is into him,
and eventually she graduates.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
She moves back home to her.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Parents' house in California, and she breaks up with him,
and she tells him upon breaking up with him that
he's immature and he lacks ambition, and I'm sure that
that went overwhell with Ted. He's like, thank you, Stephanie,
I appreciate your candor and I'll take it into consideration.

(50:38):
So then in nineteen sixty nine, right after that happens,
he decides he's going to go back to his birthplace, Burlington, Vermont,
visit his family.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
That's where he finds out he's illegitimate.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Oh but anyway, here's some maple syrup. So he comes
on back to Seattle. He comes back from that trip,
really knuckles down and becomes a big Republican.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Why is that the weirdest That's like the weirdest twist
for me? Yeah, not that.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Oh isn't that a fun twist?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
He was like, I know what's going to impress Stephanie.
I'm gonna get into politics. I watch this, watch me
wear a red and white striped tie. Stephanie, goddamn it.
So he runs the Seattle campaign office for Nelson Rockefeller's
presidential run.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Who I know.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
He did a great job, So then he returned to
the University of Washington. He becomes a psychology major and
an honor student, and he meets a woman named Liz Kendall,
who then becomes his girlfriend. He graduates from UW in
nineteen seventy two with a dream psychology and that summer

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he goes on a business trip to California and he
meets up with Stephanie Brooks just to say, Hi, Hey,
what's going on? I just want to check in and
see how you are.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Catch up? What have you been up to down here?
What this time?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Oh? I wrote this time as a motivated Republican psychology
grad student with some amazing sweaters. So they get they
actually get back together. He gets back together with her
and they date for a year.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
His poor girl, real girlfriend at home is like he said,
he was just gonna have fucking Margarita's with her.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Neither of them knew about each other.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, So he gets back together with Stephanie Brooks, dates
her very seriously for a year, is very romantic, is
very lovely.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
At the end of the year, he proposes marriage.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
She says yes, and two weeks later he breaks up
with her and will.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Not return her calls, whoa so what did he?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
That was a he fucking vengeance dated proposed to her.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
If he wasn't Ted Bundy, I'd be like, fuck, yeah
you did.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
But no.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
It really shines a light on that behavior, doesn't it.
It's very very destructive behavior, ambitious, true behavior.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I do. I do like it though about at I mean.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Let's I can think of like four different people. It's
been amazing to do that too. You make them refall
in love with you, and you're like, later days, oh
fuck yourself, Peace out to you and your family.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Remember when I was wearing the salfit, remember the.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Health Yeah, uh okay, so then uh, Stephanie's devastated.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
This is what I wrote and it's tasteless.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Stephanie's devastated and as she weeps, her long brunette hair
covers her face evenly on both sides. That's right, because
it's part of down the middle.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Remember that. Remember that for later? Is that where it's start.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Nope, I'm not right, forgot.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Freeze that make it just paint a picture in your mind.
You're gonna want to look back at it later.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Post it posted it post because.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Almost immediately after all of those events Ted's murderous rampage begins,
And when I say murderous rampage, I'm talking about like
five pages of eleven point font rampage shit.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
So let's blaze through this.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Get comfy everyone.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Shortly after midnight on January fifth, nineteen seventy four, Ted
Bundy breaks into the basement apartment of eighteen year old
Joni Lenz, also a pseudonym, and bludgeons her with a
metal rod from her own bedframe, sexually assaults her with
a speculum, and leaves her for dead. She is found
by her roommates the next day in a pool of
blood in a coma, and she survives, but has permanent

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brain damage. One month later, Ted Bundy breaks into the
room of UWS two and his cousin's roommate, Linda Ann Heally.
He knocks her unconscious, dresses her and jeans and a
T shirt, wraps her in a sheet, and carries her away.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
That's on February first.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Now female co eds start disappearing at the rate of
one a month. They're all young and slender, with long
brown hair parted down the middle. In March, Donna Gail manson.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
What'd you say?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I remember that now, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
You remember from it was like only three paragraphs I remember.
In March, Donna Gail Manson, a nineteen year old student
at Evergreen College in Olympia, is kidnapped and murdered.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Don't be fucking sharing.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
That's it's a wonderful arts college actually, where you get
to give yourself your own grades. It's like fucking a
lot of this and a lot of this and then yes, mom,
yes no, I am learning a ton. Thank you, thanks
for the health insurance for calling during my acid trip anyhow.

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In April, Susan Rancourt disappears from the campus of Central
Washington State College in Ellensburg.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
The same night, right.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
The same night, another female student reports being approached by
a man in a cast asking for help carrying a
stack of books to his Volkswagen Beetle.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Here we go, right.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Two other co eds tell the same story from three
nights earlier. In May, Kathy Parks disappears from Oregon State
campus in Corvallis.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
It's really weird. I feel like you should be omitting
the college names.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Poor Oregon State. They're just like we've got to represent.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
And they know what's coming. It was like four sad
people up there. We love the middle of Oregon too.
On June first, Brenda Ball leaves the Flame tavern in
Burian and is never seen again.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Berri in Berrian.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Borian hoogars, I mean, seriously, seriously the.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Fact that you knew the geography of where the middle
of Oregon was. I was impressed so fine by Leyen.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Ten days later, in the early morning hours of June eleventh,
UW student Georgie Anne Hawkins is last seen leaving her
boyfriend's dorm to take the short walk back down the
alley to her sorority house. They say it was fifty
yards from his door to her door, but she never arrives.
Witnesses tell the police they see a man in a

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leg cast struggling to carry.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
A briefcase the night before.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
One student reports the man asked her to help him
carry the briefcase back to his Volkswagen Beetle. No, if
a man ever asks you to help him carry a briefcase.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
We've talked about this. Women and children. If men ask
you for directions, children, no, no, they don't.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Want Adults don't need your help.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Children and men who can't carry their own suitcases don't
get to have I mean briefcases.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Don't get to have briefcases. Yep, it's just part of it.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
It's a good rule.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
If you've injured your arm, then you don't get to
carry a briefcase. Sorry, important businessman, put a backpack on.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Take a break.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
This brings us to July seventeenth, nineteen seventy four. This
is the part where when I was reading a stranger
beside me this, I couldn't stop reading this chapter over
and over because it's so fucking fucked up. So Lake's
Sammimish smamish. I mean, they should spell it phonetically on

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Wikipedia if they want podcasters to announce it correctly. Lake
Samamish State Park in Issaqua.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
You guys are you're fucking easily impressed?

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I mean, fucking I what a job we have?

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I mean, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
This is like like reverse kindergarten.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Basically, this is like a spelling beast, but like you
just can't loose. Everyone wins, everyone gets a ribbons.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
That's right, I'm into it finally, Okay, So at Lake,
Well shit, I forgot already Samamish.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Smamish.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Uh. It's a beautiful holiday weekend. Uh, And tons of
people are there. You know, when it's sunny up here,
you guys go batshit. It's like, all this sudden, everybody's
wearing the smallest suit they can find, like fucking standing
around at a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Man made lake. So this there's actually pictures online. You
can look this up. It's so packed on this day,
there's like there's just people standing like shoulder to shoulder.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
And that day, two women, Janis At and Denise Naslin,
both disappear without a trace in the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
So eight witnesses tell police they saw a handsome young
man named Ted he's used he doesn't use a pseudonym,
with his arm in a sling and he and five
of them are women who he asked for help unloading
his sailboat from his Volkswagen. So one woman actually went

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with him and as she's walking up to the volkswagen,
she's like, they're in a sailboat?

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Are here? And she was all by good for her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Three witnesses said that they saw Janie Ot speaking to
that same man and they saw her leave with him.
And then four hours later Naslin disappears.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Wow, he came back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
He fucking killed Janice Aunt up in like the hills
about a mile away.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Oh my god, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Then came back to get another woman. He's in a
full on, fucking psychotic frenzy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Yeah. But meanwhile, all like he's they said.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
The witnesses describe him as having kind of a clipped,
slightly British.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Accent, so came out. He's like fucking He's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Like a werewolf rampaging. And then he like wipes it
all off and turns around.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
He's like, hello, do you mind, I've got I say
a boat over here. Okay, I can't get it off
my go on. I was a theater manger.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
So the police distribute flyers. Also, there's a there's two
comparative pictures next weekend at that lake.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Nobody's there. Nobody's there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
That's hilarious. Theikini's away.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
So the police distribute flyers. They hold a press conference
describing the man witnessed. Ted Bundy's girlfriend, his psychology professor,
and his suicide prevention coworker and crime writer and rule.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
All call the police and give his name, no yes
and an roll.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
In the book, she talks about it where she calls
and says this is crazy and I mean, it's probably
not him. But the thing is that he does have
a gold Volkswagon, his name is Ted, and and he
has no sailboat. It can't be denied his total lack

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of voting. Uh oh okay, so oh, because they also
gave his physical description. So basically, it's just staring all
of them in the face and they're like, I do
I mean, could it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
They no?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
But it also must be really weird because she talks
about in the book that he was so empathetic and
he would talk to people. He would talk people off
killing themselves four hours. He would stay on the phone.
He was so empathetic, like he had the most amazing
mask that he would wear. He was living the ultimate
double life. It's fucking nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
So Ted Bundy killed both of those women within hours
of each other, and both of those murders were so
brutal that when their skeletal remains were found a mile
from that lake, there were only bone fragments left and
up there with them. When they found those skeletal remains,

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they also found the remains of George Anne Hawkins, and
then just east of there on Taylor Mountain in nineteen
seventy five, the partial skeletal remains of the rest of
the missing women were found to Heale, Susan Rancourt, Kathy Parks,
and Brenda Ball, and Bundy claimed that Donna Manson was
also buried there, but no remains of her have ever
been found. So he basically had these two dumping grounds

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and he used to go visit them. I don't know
how he fucking found the time, but it was like
among all the other bullshit that he was doing. Then
he would drive up into the mountains and then just
sit there with his victims' bodies. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Then he decides to go to law school.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Oh, oh my god, Cail, he's gonna teach that ex
girlfriend a thing or two. So he moves to Salt
Lake City. Really, that can't that was not sincere. All right,

(01:04:51):
I'll try to go through these fasts because this it's
just so much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I'll tromp her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Second, Nancy will Cox, disappears from Halliday, Utah. She was
last seen writing in a Volkswagen A little over two
weeks later, seventeen year old Melissa Smith is abducted, raped, sodomized,
and strangled in Midvale, and her body is found nine
days later she's the daughter of the police chief. Then
seventeen year old Laura Lara Amy disappears after leaving a

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Halloween party in Lehigh, and a month later hikers find
her naked, beaten, strangled body on the banks of a
river in American Fork Canyon. On November eighth, Carol de
Ranch is leaving Fashion Place Mall in Murray when an
officer Roseland approaches her to tell her that her her
car has been broken into and that she needs to

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come with him to file a report.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
So she goes to the car.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
She sees nothing's missing, but he tells her She asks
her to come to the station anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
No, no, no, no, and then they get into his Volkswagon.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
You know, he didn't have a police car.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
The car that cops drive all the time, gold Volkswagons.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Man Fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
On the way, he suddenly pulls over really fast and
tries to throw handcuffs on her, but in the frenzy
and she starts fighting him off. He puts both handcuffs
on one wrist, and then as he does that, he
picks up a crowbar whoa and tries to hit her
over the head with it, but she catches it. Mid
air because her other arm is free. Then she opens

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the car door and rolls out onto the highway and
escapes from fucking Ted Bundy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Yes, Carol got a girl.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Fuck yes, Carol, I mean yeah, all right, okay, yes,
all right. I just was gonna say it probably ruined
going to the mall for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
That night, at Beaumont High School in Bountiful, the drama
club is putting on a play.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
This this ties back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I just wanted to talk about theater arts for a second.
So both teachers and students report seeing a man who
approaches them to tell them that their cars have been
broken into. Some say they see him lurking in the
back of the auditorium where the play is being held,
and Debbie Kent, a seventeen year old high school student,

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leaves the play at intermission to go pick up her
brother and is never seen again. Later, the investigators find
a small key in that parking lot that fits the
pair of handcuffs that were taken off Carol Derom.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Okay, So now I've interjected a story I found on Reddit.
Maybe a bad idea, but it possibly could be true,
maybe thirty percent. So this story is a guy that
says his friend's parents met in their teens. At the
end of their first date, his friend's dad suggested that

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they go for a midnight hike up in Provo Canyon.
He apparently knew the place since he had done a
fair amount of rock climbing in the area, So the
two drove up to the mouth of the canyon started
hiking under the light of the stars since it was
a new moon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
I'm just hoping to get late. At that point. Nobody
fucking hikes a name.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
I know, but they can't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
It's their son, so they can't have to tell him
a different story. Oh yeah, like the son we loved
hiking in the seventies. Oh, we'd hike and hike alle night.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
At some point, the dad starts getting a bad feeling
since the pathway ahead, which was going to pass under
some trees, was going to be very dark, so he
ignores the feeling and presses on Gott to ignore those feelings.
He gog to In later retelling of the story, his
mom would say that she felt the same bad feeling,

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but that she didn't know the trail like he did,
so she just trusted that he knew what he was doing.
A minute later, the dad felt that feeling even stronger,
ignored it again. They walked a bit of the way
into the trees when his foot hit something soft in
the middle of the path under the trees. Though it
was too dark to see just what this soft thing was.

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The feeling came back stronger than ever, and instead of
finding out what his foot hit, no, they both agreed
to run away.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Years later, after being married for some time, congratulations to them.
They were watching an interview with the serial killer Ted Bundy.
In response to a question asking him to describe the
time he felt closest to being caught. He explained about
the night that he lured a girl into Provo Canyon,
had just killed her when he heard some people coming

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up the trail, and that he hid in the trees
only to watch some guy walk right into the body
and for some reason just turn around and walk away. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Man, And this is why you always rang a flashlight
when you're fucking hiking at night.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Yes, yes, no, yes, no, that's exactly right. That's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Also, somebody could have just watched interviews of Ted Bundy
retro engineered that entire story and be lying on Reddit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
We don't know, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
There's just no way to tell.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
There's no way to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Okay, So now Ted ventures into Colorado. He's taken it
to a different state. So Karen Campbell disappears from the
Wildwood Inn and Snowmass, where she was vacationing with her
fiance and children. She disappeared between the elevators and the
front room of her door, a span.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Of fifty feet.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Veilski instructor Julie Cunningham disappears in March of nineteen seventy five,
Denise Ulverson in April, and Grand Junction in May. Lynette
Culver disappears in Idaho from the grounds of her junior
high school. In June, Susan Curtis disappears in Utah. None
of these bodies have ever been found. Back in Washington,
Ted Bundy's name had made it onto four different suspect

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lists for four different reasons, and he was finally in
the top twenty five list of people to be investigated
when a call came in from Utah. Sorry, I just
started thinking of other stuff. What am I gonna do tomorrow? Okay,

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So here's what happened. Back in Utah Tad had failed
to stop for routine traffic violation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
And those routine traffic violations will always.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
They will get you, I think from what I remember
in the book, but I'm not positive. He was driving
by a house. He was basically casing a house, and
a cop was like, what are you doing? Yeah, And
then when he went to pull him over, he wouldn't
pull over, and so he finally he got him, like
got him out of the car. And then when he

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searched his car, he found a crowbar, a ski mask, handcuffs,
trash bags, and an ice pick.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
You know, car stuff. So detected.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Garry Thompson connected the Volkswagen to Carol Deranch's kidnapping case,
and they get a warrant to search Ted's apartment, where
they find a brochure for the Wild Wooden And when
they put him in a lineup, Carol Deranch comes in
and as well as several of the Bountiful High School
play witnesses, and they all pick him out as Officer

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roseland whoa, So this is his first conviction.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
I know only four more hours I was typing this.
I'm like, maybe I bail before he ever goes to jail.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
I mean, just like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
There's no you have to tell the whole thing. So basically,
here's what happens. He's tried and convicted of the kidnapping case.
He's sentenced to fifteen years and they when they were
taking him to trial during the recesses is the officers
he was so charming and chatty and cool and chill
that the officers started letting him use the law library
during the recesses of his own trial, you know, to

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be cool. So on June seventh, one day, while he's
in the Lawberardy library, he sees his chance and he
jumps out a second story window. Right when he lands,
he breaks his ankle, and then he runs for it
and he escapes into the mountains and he survives for
six days. He had found He walked until he found

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a cabin.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
He rested for a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
At one point an armed citizen who was up there
specifically to search for escapee Ted Bundy, comes upon him,
and Ted talks his.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Way out of it and just continues on his way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
He was a slick, slightly British accented motherfucker. This guy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
That's that's yes, he must have had great like eyes.
Or something.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
What was it about ted hairline?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Yeah, just a strong fucking hairline.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Jesus, what the shit?

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Kind of like came down a little bit of a
v but not like a vampire vie.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Yeah, framed his face, just framed it up night.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Yeah, some curls.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Nice seventies. Uh, sideburns.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yeah, it's a nice thick sideburn hair. But not threatening.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
No no, no, no, I'm like not unkempt. No, no,
all right, you could.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
He brushed his hair five hundred times every morning. Okay,
He's finally recaptured, brought back to jail. Immediately starts working
on a new escape plan. He cuts a hole in
the ceiling into the crawl space and then starts dieting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
He loses weight, loses weight, loses weight till finally.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
He oh. He finds out that they're going to move
the venue of his next of the trial. So he
right now he is in the I think he's an
evergreen jail and it's super old fashioned, and so he's like,
I gotta do it now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
I can't wait anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
So he crawls up into this crawl space, crawls across
and basically goes into right above the jailer's apartment, which
is part another part of the jail, but it's like
where the people work, where they actually lived in the jail.
He drops down into the jailer's linen closet, and luckily
the jailer and his wife were at the movies that night,
so he just puts on some of that guy's clothes

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and fucking walks out the front door. He hitchhikes to Vail,
then he takes a bus to Denver, then he takes
a plant to Chicago. He eventually ends up in Tallahassee, Florida.
And this is the big fucking hideous finale that's so insane.
At three am on Sunday, January fifteenth, nineteen seventy eight,
Ted Bundy crept into the unlocked back door of the

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Kyomega sorority house at Florida State University, Yeah right, and
he bludgeoned and strangled four sorority girls, each roommates. So
he went into the first room and killed Lisa Levy
and Margaret Bowman. He beat Margaret to death, and then

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he'd restrained Lisa beat Margaret to death. Then Big began
to beat Lisa to death and brutally raped her and
then murdered her. Then undetected, he snuck down the hallway
and did the same thing in the next room two roommates,
Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
And then he just walked out of the house.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Yeah. Then then he walked down the street. Everyone in
the autes is like, I don't like true crime anymore.
Then he walked down the street, he broke into a
house and he did the same thing to a girl
named Cheryl Thomas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Except she survived. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
He he basically had already killed four women that night,
and so he was getting a little tired and she
was fighting him, and then and then people came up
from downstairs because they heard so much banging and he's
basically like beating her with a big piece of wood,
and they and he ran out, So she ended up surviving.

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Then on February ninth, so like a month later, he
basically hides up in his weird apartment and he's basically
super crazy and like at the end, and he probably
knew he was at the end. On February ninth, in
Lake City, he abducted and raped a twelve year old
girl named Kimberly Leech. And then he stole another Volkswagen
to drive across the state. But in Pensacola, an officer

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noticed the stolen plates and pulled him over and he
got out of the car and then immediate started fighting
with the cop and the cop gets him down, cuffs him,
gets him in the car, and Ted Bundy says to
the cop, I wish you killed me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Oh right. So he's charged for the Tallahassee and Lake
City murders.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
He stands trial in Miami for the Coyomega murders, and
there was a Kyomega member named Nita Neary who saw
him leave and went to court and identified him. And
that testimony, as well as the bite marks that he
left on his victims, were the evidence that basically convicted him.

(01:18:02):
Now everyone's heard of this, but like of course, Ted Bundy,
being the asshole that he is, decided he was going
to represent himself in a couple of these cases. So
in the Kimberly Leech case, he decided he would be
the lawyer, and at one point he called former coworker
Carol Boon to the stand and then in the middle
of the court case he proposed marriage to Carol Boone.

(01:18:24):
She said yes, everybody. She said yes, oh yeah, they
actually had a conjugal visit. And he has a daughter
that's not know. The good news is he was convicted
on all counts and he was sentenced to death and
on January twenty fourth of nineteen eighty nine, Ted Bundy

(01:18:44):
was executed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
In the electric chair in Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Yeah, he had confessed to thirty murders, but it is
estimated that there's a chance that he is responsible for
the death of over one hundred women. WHOA, it's fucking
crazy and fuck, here's a slight upturn.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Not great, but whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
First of all, Ted Bundy claimed that porn is the
reason that he became a serial killer. I'm just saying,
watch yourselves, we know what you're up to. Everybody's so
cavalier about porn these days. Well it made Ted Bundy.
But from death Row, when they were looking for the

(01:19:29):
Green River killer, Ted Bundy contacted uh, Detective Dave Reikert.
This is some local shit. Huh yeah, we hate Dave
riker too. We're arrested right outside the theater.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
It was a setup. They hated him first.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Anyhow however you feel about him, Ted Bund And he
called him and said, I can help you catch the
Green River Killer because I know how these motherfuckers think.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
And then he did what clearly there's a problem with that.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
I don't know what's going on. I bet it has
to do with the Green River Killer. Oh says my mom.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
So's everybody's mill hate her. So now we move into
the Trump portion of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Oh you, well, we'll cap it off with this. Anne
Rule had the best quote. She said, people like Ted
can fool you completely. I had been a cop, I
had all that psychology, but his mask was perfect. I
say that long acquaintance can help you. I say that
long acquaintance can help you know someone, but you can
never really be shure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Yeah, that's it. That's Ted Bunny, that's your guy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Amazing. Okay, we're back. Do you have any updates about
Ted Bundy?

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Yeah, there are, there are some not really about him,
but survivors Kathy Kleiner Rubin, Karen Chandler, Cheryl Thomas, and
Carol Durrant have taken control of their narrative as survivors
by telling not only their own story, but also by
putting a spotlight on the women and girls who Ted
Bundy killed. They can be seen in various documentaries like

(01:21:45):
Netflix's Conversations with a Killer that Ted Bundy tapes, and
Kathy Kleiner actually went on to write a book called
A Light in the Dark Surviving More than Ted Bundy Wow,
And that book is her way of helping end the
glamorized portrayal of in the media, which is a very
nineties eighties nineties thing when that trend of like John

(01:22:06):
wayn Acy Ted Bundy as almost like anti heroes came
up so gross, very gross, and also just a really
important like the idea that these women got the chance
to counter all of that, right, like the time finally
came that they got.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Their spotlight is great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Also, there are still victims who are yet to be
identified because Ted Bundy's heinous crimes there were so many.
He was all over the place, and there's cold cases
out there that they think Ted Bundy could be responsible for.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
That incredible book murder Land that we keep talking about
by Caroline Fraser really centers around him as one of
the main serial killers. So it's the story you've heard,
but in a totally different way. It's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah, So this episode was originally titled Live at the
Neptune for reasons that we do not have to explain
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
We don't understand, do you. But if we were naming
it today based on something that was said, maybe we'd
call it Harold's Mother.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
You or we could name it rumors. I'm spreading him
because Georgia says that after she falsely claims that George
Clooney was raised to believe his mom was his sister,
just like death Busy Rosebary Clooney like, what, that's his aunt?

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
You're still doing it after all these years?

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
The fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Oh my god, it's his aunt? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Who's not his mom? For sure?

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I mean you know what if it all came back
around to that, actually his aunt is his mom and
I knew just I'll give it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
I'll give it all over to you. So also we
could call it reverse kindergarten. Yeah, because that's uh, that's
basically what we're doing here on this podcast. We do
live shows.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
That's right, Well, that's it. I mean, that's the fun.
A live show rewind.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
That's what we're hoping to do on our live tours.
Is a show like that, I think pretty much sums.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Up it's also good to rewind these live shows so
we remember our lines and what we're supposed to do
when we go out there, and what it's actually like
and what to expect. But also, it's twenty twenty five,
We're we're in the midst of a fascist takeover. How
are these shows going to be different for us?

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I'm so nervous about all of those things you just said,
me too. But thanks for being here with us then
and now, guys, we really appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
And at the time of this recording, there are a
couple tickets left for these Seattle shows, so if you
want to be there with us, please go to my
favorite murder dot com and get your tickets now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
All right, well, thanks for being here then, and thanks
for being here. Now, let's listen to us say goodbye
from the Neptune Theater in Seattle. I think that's it,
you guys, Yeah, that's everyone thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Thank you so much for coming out to the show.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Yeah, and thanks for being part of us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
I was super, super fun, you guys. We love it here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
It was very cute.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Thank you for being here. So we're mad at you
for yelling at.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Us about Dave Riker, but we'll talk about it at
a different time. Stay sexy and don't get ma

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