Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 64: Live At Revolution Hall - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Lloo and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's right, it's Wednesday, and that means we're recapping our
old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Today we're looking back on episode sixty four, which we
named I Won't Believe This Live at Revolution Hall.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yep, it's our Portland Live show and this episode came
out April thirteenth, twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
So let's get into the intro of episode sixty four. Already. Hi,
you're doing it out of obligation.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
We know.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's the first time that happened. I actually did I
didn't hear you said. I said they're doing it out
of obligation because one person did it. That's the first
time that ever happened. It is the first time that's
ever happened.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Portland.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
What's up Portland? That is so Portland. W Portland. I
swear to God wo Hi Portland. I like you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I actually am a little bit sad because this is
the last night. I wish you could be like fourteen
more nights. It really has been very, very fun and exciting.
Thank you very much for being here, and thank you
for getting tickets and waiting for tickets and dealing miss

(01:51):
Kelpers and letting us know that you didn't get enough tickets.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
And that's about tickets.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
And it's our fault that your lives were ending because
of the ticket.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
And you've been listening from the beginning, and how you know,
And that's so you should get first run of ticket.
Yes you are.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
You are the biggest fans and you deserve the most tickets.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So where thank you? Yeah, thank you kindly for being
first started moonishing the assholes. That's how I start every show,
is just telling you guys what dix.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, listen, there's plenty of clappers, but the assholes need
to be like given their promise as well.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I love that you. Good start, good start. Let's start over, Stephen.
Can we go again? Here we go a lulla back.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I don't worry.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I don't know because you don't see anything anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I actually am legally blind. All right here, look at
Svince came backstage and said, update from the audience. Stephen
has a line of people.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Stephen, that's the quickest way to get fired and get
more popular than the host.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
And Mommy Ray Morris is here.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
J Yeah, Stephen invited his mother, who probably has never
heard this podcast, has no interest in murder, doesn't think
what we're doing is right.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Probably you know, Stephen's not her favorite anyway, It's true. Well,
now Steven's a successful one, even though his sister's a doctor.
I think, yeah, sure, now who's successful? Well you better
tell her.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
The podcast are the wave of the future, so doctoring
is out.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, hell ya, nobody needs a doctor anymore. Uh.
I'm sorry. I've been drinking this fucking insane crack caffeine.
What is it? It's your mamatee. Have you guys? Do
you guys heard of it Portland? Have you heard of
your mama te? And do you know gluten is bad

(04:06):
for are you? I can see everything and everyone, and
I can see her auras. Oh shit, girl, all good
right now? But do you have any animal familiars on
the stage right now? I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know there are animals you hallucinate that talk to
you and tell you how to live.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Oh, that's one not my cats? Then heard that? Oh,
because that's all my life is. I know that's his name.
That's true.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
I have actually a very similar thing right now, which
is that I Georgia likes to bring me, which is
one of the best things about the sturing with Georgia's
she brings me a coffee.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's just super exciting.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
So she last night and tonight has brought me a
mocha from stump Town. And last night when she gave
it to him, was like, awesome, thanks, drank the whole
thing super fast, And when I went to walk out
for the first show, I was like, like, I was
fucking blazing.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
And then You're like, is this from sometown.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Or are you dosing me? Just to change it up
on tour a little.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Bit, a little bit of that adderall, then we're good. Oh,
we forgot to mention that this is all accidental. Our neckline. Yeah,
I'm sure you guys were wondering. They are definitely sitting
out there going two scallop back lines. Yeah, why yeah,
we would do that. I'm alive too. I mean I
thought they I guess, like I had it in my
mind that they weren't matching, but I guess they're super

(05:36):
matchy matchy. Yeah, it's on purpose, but we're going with it.
We didn't. Karen was like, cut yours off, and I'm like,
I'm not cutting it off.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, I demanded, and she cut up her dress. I
was like, I'm the primary, you have to adjust yours.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
But and then we but I did make her part
her hair the other way, so we didn't look exactly this.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, although I am going to cut it short and
then we're just gonna come out holding hands.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Like the shining to and.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
You're like, get ready for the wall of blood verbal
the verbal wall of blood. That's Karen and I'm Georgia.
Oh that's right, and this is my favorite, my favorite, Marta.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
We we want to tell you guys this story from
last night because it's pretty hilarious, but we're telling it
to you as adults, promising that you won't get any
ideas from it.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah. I was like, do we tell them or are
they just going to be like I'm like, we gotta
tell them, We gotta tell them. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
So last night, during the hometown murder portion of the show,
at the end, we had this girl come up and
told the fucking.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Most amazing story.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
It was like everything I've ever wanted in a story
of finding dead bodies and the.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Dead body is a bad guy and knows this and
is that. It was her cousin.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
It was like second, like one Kevin Bacon away from
that kind of death, a dead body.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
In a creek. It's what more doing you? They didn't
know and they were like, what is that? A jacket?
Is not a jacket. It is a jacket, but there's
an entire you know, there's an arm in the jacket.
Think about that before you offer to be the hometown
tonight is like, Joe, got it. You gotta beat that
very high the very high stakes.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So as she's telling the story, I was asking questions like, well,
did he tell you what it felt like to pick
up a dead arm?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
And stuff? I was, you know, going deep. I was
very excited.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Barbara Walter's deep with it, trying to make her cry.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
And as we're talking, she was like, I don't know.
I was sitting here and it was kind of like this.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
So we're talking to her and she was like, I
don't really know whatever, And then I.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Look and there's both of their faces, and Karen's especially,
and it's horrified. Behind my shoulder and what's happening, biggest nightmare.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
What's happening is this and there's a girl in an
army jacket. No judgments and she's sneaking cartoon style down
the aisle.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
She fucking army rolled onto the She go on the
stage and then like Emily.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Stand it here so I to kick into fucking third
grade teacher mode.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I was like, that is not cool, that is not cool,
and I just study here kind of went like this
and that was really cool.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
You thank you. And turns out it was this girl's sister.
She just had the.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Exact information I was asking for. She came to provide.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
But the sister took a beat. That's all she wanted
to do is be like, I don't know what the
arm felt like. She said, she did such a sister move.
This girl took a beat while Karen is yelling at her,
and then she goes, oh, that's my sister, Like she
took it in, she did it. We were both like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, I was like immediately picturing like a fucking bowie
knife and she's just gonna roll up and then be
like I'm mad about stuff I didn't get. I didn't
get tickets the first time around around, I got over
served at the bar.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Then she came up and did such a fucking sister thing.
I couldn't believe it. She goes, You're forgetting this important
part is that's just a sister thing to say.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It was super perfectly what I realized those because I was,
of course super embarrassed that I had to like that.
I got super bossy with her, But I in my
mind and looking back on it, nobody sneaks like this
unless they're like on fucking meth or something.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Right, it's like, I'm.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Just gonna come up here for a second and interrupt
the show.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
No, I'm killing Those are not good intentions. And now
we know that Vince is fucking useless and an emergency.
Even though I specifically told him you need to fucking
protect me. He was backstage smoking. Yeah, he doesn't smoke.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It doesn't Also, Stephen never moved from his spot.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Like the show, you couldn't take your finger off the
play button. Yes, audio above all.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, So that was that was kind of an That
was an exciting portion of the night.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It was a it was a real roller coasters. Oh god,
that was scary. What else have we done? Oh?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Also, do you want to just take a quick shoe
walk because.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
They're so good? Just tell the people work it own it.
That's why you're wearing them. I could walk in them.
This like the two times a year I wear heels. Yeah,
and it's an hour long. I wore these at my
wedding last year. Last time I wore them. You fucking changed.
You've just like given up. I can't do it. I

(10:12):
can't do it anymore. I like that. I didn't mean
it like that. I can't do it anymore. She had
heels on last night to night clog night.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I wore heels, and even those ones were like the
kind you can play basketball in or whatever. They weren't
like any crooks, like heels, like a maker.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
But when I went to put them.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
On tonight, I was like, but fuck that ship And
I got.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
The only yea dear more care, thank you? Oh follow spot,
here we go. That's the magic of theater. We're trying
to get her to come over shell.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
But you know, uh, this is where I come alive.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
I do. You can't tell right now, but I did
say suck it to my spanks. Just really no, I
just fell now you can kind of.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yes, look at that woman, she's free, bucket, she get free.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Fuck it? Fuck at all?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Wait.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think we have a couple more anecdotes for you.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
I know, right, I can't remember anything. Well, here's mine.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
When I was leaving my hotel tonight, the most lovely
man that worked at the front desk named Tyler.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
This is what it was like. You walk by and
I'm gonna be Tyler, and you're walking you lace. This
is how Karen walks whenever she goes.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
That's not true.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Okay, you have to make eye contact with me. Okay,
Oh but.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I and I was like, hello, murderina.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I know you. You can tell immediately that like what
it's gonna It's not like excuse me, ma'am, no, do
you need mortels.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's it's a you've been whispering in my ear for
the past six I need to talk to you right now.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
You have to touch me. We stood there.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I've never seen this person before and met them before.
We stood across the hotel front desk holding arms like.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Like I was gonna pull.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Him up onto the lifeboat style, full on arm class
like yes, Tyler, Yes, I'm here with you.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, this is really happening. The best is when you
then get a my so and so got murdered and
you're done, like great, this is turned into the best
fucking interaction I've ever had. Yes, exactly, tell me everything.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Now we're having a level seventeen conversation that like normally
people that are only friends for five.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Years have or shit faced yes or Vince and I
were walking yesterday. We're walking down the street. Uh huh
and uh. This couple walks by us and then I
hear her go. I hear I see her look at
her her boyfriend in a way that was like okay,
and then she goes. As she passes, she says, that's
my favorite murder, like she doesn't know which one I am.

(13:03):
And I turned around and waive her because she's really sweet,
but she just didn't know which one I was.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
When she told me that, I was like, what if
her favorite murder was happening behind you. She's like, oh
my god, I love it when an old lady.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Kills a homeless person. I'm like, thank you, thank you
for listening, and she's like, fuck, are you from me?
That happened to me recently at a store. She said,
I tell that one. It's shit. She goes, I go
to buy a thing and then she goes, oh, I
know you from somewhere, and I said, uh, oh, do
you watch the Cooking Channel. I was like, well, she

(13:37):
doesn't know my face unless she's like right right, and
she was like, oh no, you look like someone who
was in earlier and now he was fucking with you.
And then I totally made fun of myself. Wait, oh,
I thought you were my good friend. What you know?
That sucks? Not you. You guys missed out last night,
and I'm sorry. I brought a tissue and saved for

(13:58):
my allergies because I fucking wipe my nose on this
exact table cloth, Yester.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's like that we're that comfortable here with you Portlande, Georgia, Georgia.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
We're just sitting there and she's like.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh fuck, it blows her nose on the tables off.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Thanks Revolution Hall. We're so proud to be here with
you have us back. I just like can feel into
my heart like a sixth sense, how mortified my mom is,
and it gives me life, Like my mom can't handle
me not standing up straight. She would be so mortified,
and I fucking love it. That's like, I live to
embarrass my mom if you blew your nose on a tablecloth,

(14:37):
if she knew that I did that, not even like
at a restaurant real quick, but like in front of
a bunch of people. Oh, she would die. It's great
for real good.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
If my mom saw this tights boot clog combination, she'd
just be like, I don't know what you're doing or
why you're still rebelling, but you need.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
To figure it out. You have lipstick on, though, so
I have lips on so.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't look like a corpse, which is what she
normally would accuse me of. Oh honey, put some lipstick on,
you look like a corpse.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
M And then I'd scream at her, I'm never having babies,
and then she would just turn into dust and die.
That's really that.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
It really is like the fucking the gauntlet to throw
down in any fight with your mom.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I will not reproduce. Oh, I said it, and it
felt so I excited to her on the phone. She
called my sister, tell Georgia, how wonderful, what a kiss
it is? And I'm like, you weren't even around. What
do you tell me? Cut to you sitting on the
toilet with an EPT test. Fuck shit, God, damage. Never
never tell my mom that I'm pregnant to have a baby, Andrew,

(15:42):
Just never tell her.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
You just pretend that you've gained very specific weight and
then lost it specifically.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Speaking of uh, it turns we gotta stop. I need
to stop thinking that when I'm away from home at
any time on tour, I can eat whatever the fuck
I want. We're touring a lot, and I'm just stop
fucking doing that. Basically, had quagraw for breakfast today. Oh yeah,
it's fancy fans, I know. Yeah, I spend that tour money, baby, fucket.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
That's why we're holding off all the tickets so that
Georgia can.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Eat fuag gras, Yeah for breakfast. Sorry, well that does
sound a little shitty. Doesn't tweet us about it?

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I know.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
So I feel like, get a Ford Fuagram, you know, fougie.
I don't need it at home, so I'm at home.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Oh so it seems like what's going on with Portland
where now you guys are just all about donuts all
the time.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Are you just like it's no, it's no. Two nights
in a row we had donuts backs. Oh the first
last night, man, we had donuts that looked like us. Yeah,
voodoo donuts of all plates. It wasn't even like Bob's
Donuts down the street. Like make donut. It's like Voodoo Donuts.
They know who we are. That blew my mind. Well
they could have googgled it or it was like the

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one girl who works there, he's just like just started
and podcast them and they're like whatever, who can get
a word your shift? You can lean, you can clean
or make donuts of your favorite podcasters. We don't give
a ship. And man, Patricia just makes the fucking most
obscure shit. I don't know what the fuck she's She's
getting fired.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Did you see Patricia's wait, wait, don't tell me donut?
It was insane.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
You got just a red square.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's just Paula Poundstone's face, just a big, long tide,
huge blazer.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Stephen had one too, it's paying great. Uh would you
just say to Stephen had one too? And it was
fucking great. I realized I didn't.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
They made one of Stephen, which is so fucking it
was so hilarious. Yeah, absolutely flat for Stephen's donuts, I
ate my own head.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It was jelly Field, which is pretty right on. It's
pretty yeah, I'm accurate, pretty accurate. Should sit down.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, let's okay, all right, yeah, okay, yeah, no clop
for it for sure.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I'm gonna there's you got your allergies, man, and don't
in Portland. You guys have all the allergies. I can't
open this, Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
So what we do on this podcast is we guys.
I don't know if you guys listen, but we we
you know, we look up murders and then we read
them to you.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Most of them got tickets, like the guy scalping, like
buy I one, get one free. There's a show. There's
a great show tonight. Guys want to.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Okay, I don't have anything else to do, so we
should explain it.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, we're back from the intro.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I mean, if you do the math, Am I wrong
to believe that this is our first live show in
Portland because it's April twenty seventeen. Our first live show
ever was December twenty sixteen. I mean, I don't know
the math or November twenty sixteen, so it would be
it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Oh, like we posted a back catalog of the live show.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
No No, No, that this is the first time we
ever played live in Portland. It was three shows and
that's why we're talking about it so much. Because the
last episode, which is the last rewind. We just got
home from three insane shows in Portland.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
That's right, that's right, it's crazy, and so now this
is the insanity. Yeah, and we're on tour while you're
listening to this. So yeah, that's all you're going to
hear about for the rest of your fucking life.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Tour this and toured that, and then we're going to
do a spin off show of this show about touring.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
We're always going to wear the same dress. What if
we were the same dress? This stre just one dress,
same Yeah, no matter how dirty or tattered it gets, orrinkly, whatever,
you have to keep wearing it.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I mean, do you remember that moment where we looked
at each other backstage and we're like, scallop neck How
did this happen?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I don't know. It blew my mind because it was
a little black dress, but the scallop neckline I've never
seen that before. Yeah, we both thought we were it.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
We were both we were both shopping and were like, yes,
here it is at the same time and like across.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Town basically nine two and O prom vibes. Yeaheah. That
was that was crazy. It's so funny. What are you
your dresses? Like this time. I texted Craig, your assistant,
and said, if you know what Karen's wearing for the
first city, will you let me know so I can
coordinate because I'm just like picturing. I like to coordinate outfits,
you know, Like I thought, that'll go great with this.

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It's just like fun for me. And so I'm like,
what if she's wearing this color and I'm totally clashing
with these stripes, I don't know. I'm more a black baby,
all black. That's it.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's a black dress and it looks like a lot
of the dresses you've seen before.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
You do jewel tones lately, though you might throw in
a fucking purple at it. Goddamn, those were coming up.
But I'm starting off.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Look this first show, I want us to just get
our feet on the stage.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I want us to note this has.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Been a long time, like we were so young and
innocent back during this rewind episode where it's just like
walking on stage, like, helly, what's up?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Are you guys gonna rush the stage? Anyway? Let's party.
Like I was thirty six when this came out. Oh
my god, I wasn't even in perry menopause yet. That's
fucking insane, Okay, or maybe I'll wear black shoe with
the first for Denver, although it's already have happened when
we're recording. Did we wear black? I don't know. We

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joined the raf media. What do you think the rifle?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Take the pole, everything's content, Take the poll, join the raffle.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
That's my version of an internet poll. All right, should
we get into it? Let's do it? All right, Let's
listen to Karen's story. Karen's versus Time about Bobby Jack Fowler.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
It's my I'm first, right, yes, mom, Well I'm going
to do uh. This guy I didn't I didn't really
know that much about him. And then it turned out
he was kind of like a there he's like he's

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like he's like he's like a secret star.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
He's a man named Bobby Jack Fowler. And let's just
start it here.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I'm gonna tell it like a story on the Rainy.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
N Every time. It scares the shit out of us
when you guys do that. I didn't even start Stephens.
There's ever been a cute jump in the world.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
It was that they don't even have any idea what
this guy's deal is.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well, we already keep it up. Look at him now.
She can't say he was a real nice, normal guy,
because clearly he's at there's just no it's like, oh,
did he do it? I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, he is wearing he is wearing overalls with no shirt.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
So I think I think he might be guilty. Oh no, yeah,
he got caught mid something.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I mean either that or it's just like a denim
tank top.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Either way, either way, he should go to jail. Hi,
you know what that And I'm sure you guys are
very familiar with this, but I was up here, you know,
it was probably a decade ago at this point, and
I saw a newspaper Faces of Meth. Oh my favorite,
Oh my god, obsessed, my god, I wish Stephen, can

(23:42):
you find that right?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Can you put that up right now?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
It was the best thing of Rolder is the Oregonian
did this thing of like people's mugshops across the years.
So it starts out he's like, you're sixteen, you get
arrested for whatever, shoplifting of nail polish, and then five
month shots in you look like you're sixty four, and
like number two or three you're like, oh, how do
you quit right now, and you're still kind of.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Cute, moist, right, you could come back, could come back
and like stay out at the sun because we're sleeping
initials just like you're fine, and then.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
At four like fuckl and then it's like this thirty
year old Bobby Jack liked meth. Let's just say that,
among other things, this is yeah, all right. On the
rainy night of January twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five, Newport residence,
Jennifer Essen, who was fifteen, and Carl Lee's, who is sixteen,
are last seen leaving Essen's boyfriend's house in the north

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end of town.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
They're headed toward Jennifer's.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
House, where she lived with her brother and her sister
in law, Rocky and Barbara Tucker.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
They never arrive.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Two and a half weeks later, loggers spot their bodies
in heavy brush above Mouloch Beach, about a mile from
where they were last seen. Both had been strangled five
months later, on June eighth, nineteen ninety five, are nude.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
What that's my birthday? Okay, you like can't help but
say that. No, you had to say when it's your birthday, birthday, Sorry,
but that's my birthday. Anyways, tell me about a nude body.

(25:18):
I was fifteen.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Do you remember what your birthday party was like in
nineteen ninety five?

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Fifteen fifteen? Now, no, I think that was I think
that was the last base of math. Oh yeah, no, no, okay,
makes sense, though it wasn't great all right.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Five months later, on George's birthday nineteen ninety five, a nude, bleeding,
thirty five year old woman with a rope tied around
her ankle jumps out of a second story window at
the tides In motel and runs into the night screaming
for help. Yeash, that's the beginning of my film. Right there,

(25:58):
She police, and she tells them that she had met
a man at the Anchor bar. They had shared a
couple of drinks, they'd played the poker machine, you know
how you do. And then they decide that they're going
to go on a trip to a nearby casino, but
he says he wants to take a shower first and
gets her to agree to come back to his motel room.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
No, don't be that close to a naked stranger, you know, you.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Mean, right outside the bathroom door. Not still not good now?
But what if I tell you he showers in his overalls.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Does that change it? I make it okay.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Once they're in the motel room alone, the man tells
her he believes women like to be rigged. When she argued, yes,
we know that's not right. When she argued, the man
attacked her, punching her repeatedly, ripping her clothes off, tiedes
a rope around her ankle, saying he was going to
put her in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
The victim, believing she was about to die, bit him
and leapt out the window. Oh girl, whatever it takes,
Whatever it takes. That man who was arrested on the
scene was.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Bobby Jack fouls And where the picture comes up Stephen
Steven and then everyone does, yes, I see it. Here's
what I love. I sent him this stuff. I don't know.
Seven minutes before I left to come to this theater.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
He'd never talked about anything. Now, he never planned anything,
and he.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Knows that about us. It's so it's basically our fault,
but will never admit it. It's always Stephen's fault, all right.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Sally was a transient construction worker who traveled extensively across
North America. He spent time rabbiting around from British Columbia
and there very strange.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
It makes it seem fun, and what he was doing
is not fun.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
From British Columbia, Florida, Iowa, Louisiana, Texas, Oregon, South Carolina, Arizona, Tennessee,
and Washington State. During his travels, he developed an extensive
criminal record that included attempted murder.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Sexual assault, and firearms offences.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Just developing a record, but seemingly able to leave after
he develops that record. For some reason, he liked alcohol, amphetamines,
meth and phetamines. He liked to travel far and wide
and beat up cars and.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Pick up hitchhikers. That could sound like he beat up
he'd like beat up cars. He doesn't.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, once you do enough meth, you can beat up
a car. And that is the pro side to math
no one ever talks about.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
That's one of the few bonuses. Yes, you look very old,
but you can beat up a car.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
He spent lots of time in bars and motels.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
He believed that. Uh. He believed that.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Women he came into contact with who were hitchhiking and
hanging out bars wanted to be sexually assaulted.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Listen, I hang out in the fucking bars and I
don't want that. Yeah, I feel like a quick poll
he would be proven wrong. So here's talk about a
couple of his arrests.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
In nineteen sixty nine, Bobby Jack was charged Bobby Jack.
Bobby Jack was charged with murdering a man and a
woman in Texas, but he was only convicted of discharging
a firearm within city limits towards.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
The inside of a person. Yeah, I guess how the
fuck does that work?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
It wasn't a problem for some reason. He also spent
time in a Tennessee prison for sexual assault and attempted
murder because, in the words of the investigator, he tied
a woman up, beat the hell out of her with
his with her own belt, covered her up with brush, and.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Left her to die.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
So and during his nineteen ninety five trial for the
sexual assault at the Tides motel, he fought the kidnapping charge.
So he had a real problem with the fact that
he was being sexual assault. He was like, yeah, whatever,
But kidnapping he was very offended by because he claimed
that woman was in the motel room on her own
accord and that she threw herself out the window voluntarily

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shouldn't be his problem, and so because of that he
filed a three million dollar lawsuit claiming violation of his
civil liberties. He lost too, so on January eighth, nineteen
ninety six, Fowler is convicted of kidnapping the first degree,
attempted rape in the first degree, sexual abuse in the

(30:22):
first degree, coercion, assault in the fourth degree, and menacing.
He was sentenced to sixteen years three months with the
possibility of parole. But he died of lung cancer in
prison in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Esay, but there's a butt. Here's where it starts getting
good or bad, worse, upsetting, and sits murdery, you know.
So the police, because of this arrest, have Bobby.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Jack Fowler's DNA and they put it into the system.
They put it into the motherboard, into the mainframe. So
in May of twenty twelve, Inner Poll informs the Canadian
police that has received a positive hit from a DNA
sample on a sixteen year old murder. A sixteen year
old murder victim named Colleen McMillan. She had been murdered

(31:15):
in nineteen seventy four, and back then the Canadian Mounties
had taken a piece of her blouse that they believed
to have semen on it, and they put it away
and saved it, and so that when DNA testing came
into possibility, they had that They had that DNA makeup

(31:36):
waiting to be tested and in the system. So when
fucking Bobby Jack Fowler's DNA comes through the system, inner
poll finds that they are a match, so other board
lights up.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's right, the mainframe goes berserk.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Colleen McMillan in nineteen seventy four had gone out to
meet friends. The last thing she said to her little
brother before she left the house.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Was don't tell mom, I'm hitchhiking.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Her body was found a month later off a logging
road thirty miles from her home.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
She'd been strangled today. Yet brother did not live a
good life after that. I bet no.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I think that was probably pretty dark. So the DNA
belonged to American Roofer. That's how he's described in this
article cut and paste American Roofer Fella. That's the New
History Channel series American Roofers, where a fucking lunatic on

(32:29):
meth walk goes around strangling everybody.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
That's very weird. Well, you can describe him anyway. Yeah,
and they picked Rufer.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
That hit was the oldest hit on a DNA sample
in Interpol history. So essentially, from the murder of Colleen
McMillan in Canada in nineteen seventy four to the attempted rape,
kidnapping and sexual assault in Newport in nineteen ninety five,
there is a twenty one year gap where Bobby Jack
Fowler was driving around North America fucking shit up.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
So because they see that and they start connecting. So
he basically is a He is a big suspect in
a lot of the trail of Highway of Tears murders.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
So he's been, he's been.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
The Colleen's murder is considered one of the Highway of
Tears murders, one of the earliest ones. But most of
those murders are First Nation women, which is why no
one ever hears about them because it's Native America or sorry,
Native Canadian which they call First Nation women up there,
and they get no press. Nobody talks about them, and
that's why they had to start. They started a task

(33:41):
force in two thousand and six in Canada because so
many women, especially First Nation were disappearing along Highway sixteen,
which cuts across British Columbia. It's an east west highway
used by truckers and loggers, and so many women have
disappeared off of this highway that they actually have to
start a task force for it. And Bobby Jack Fowler

(34:03):
is now connected to at least three of the murdered
women that had been found on the Highway of Tears.
But also they're looking at him in connection with the
May third, nineteen ninety two killings of Melissa Sanders and
Sheila Swanson seventeen and nineteen respectively, both of Sweet Home.
They had been camping with their family at Beverly Beach

(34:25):
and they were last seen at eleven o'clock outside of
a grocery store in Beverly Beach and they were looking
for a ride home. Their bodies were found two and
a half months later, fifty feet from a logging road.
So basically, the police believe Bobby Jack Fowler may have

(34:46):
killed minimum twenty people but fortue in the US and Canada,
but they think it's more likely above forty.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
So he's fucking He's a regular world serial killer. He's
a legit, straight up serial killer.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, I've never even I've never heard of him, and
he there was, there's there's a bunch more if you
look him up, I would definitely because it's there's all
these they are.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Trying to.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
They're trying to connect him to these murders. There's so
many murders on the Highway of Tears and he they
thought they had him for like nine, but then when
they some of them, it's only circumstantial evidence, so they
can actually only prove three, which is a fucking lot.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
But between there and then all the shit that he did.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
In America, he is like Ted Bundy level serial killer
that no one's ever heard of, and you know, did
a lot of stuff right here in Portland. So congratulations everybody,
well done, Bobby Jack, Thank you, good job.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Jab Okay, we're back, Karen, do you have any updates?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
No new updates on Fowler him. He is still considered
a suspect in multiple murders along the Highway of Tiers,
but nothing has been proven since his death in two
thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Very frustrating.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
So Highway sixteen has been since twenty seventeen, there's been
progress in making it safer, like subsidized bus services along
Highway sixteen new cell towers covering those long stretches of
dead zones that have been there. They're meaningful changes, but
they're just for steps. The Canadian National Inquiry into Missing
and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls released its final report

(36:34):
in twenty nineteen, officially calling this violence a form of
genocide and issuing hundreds of calls for justice. So there's
been a lot of community led action. Indigenous led groups
like the Tiers to Hope Society create growing awareness and
healing spaces for the people that have been affected by
these murders. They do things like relay runs, community safety workshops,

(36:57):
and if you want to know more about getting involved,
you can go to Tears to Hopesociety dot com and
check out what they offer. I was very moved because
last year at the Emmys, Difarah Wuna Tai, who was
nominated as Outstanding Lead Actor in a Comedy for Reservation Dogs,
which if you haven't seen that show, it is brilliant,

(37:18):
it is amazing. He went there. He wore a black
tuxedo with the red hand over his face. So his
first big moment at an award show, he went and
represented missing and murdered inn just woment.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I just think that's like incredible.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I saw it and I was like, you are so badass,
and this is so important, and you like like eyes
on the prize for him in that way and so
many people when you look up. I was just trying
to make sure I had all the information right. All
the Google searches are why does the guy have the
red hand at the Emmys. So people saw it and
were like, what is this about? Like just imagine how

(37:55):
many people he made aware of this, Like in genocide
as the Native people believe it to be.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
It's like it is.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
No one's doing anything about murders that have been happening
for years and years and years.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, I'm glad it's getting that title.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, but there's a long way to go. Canadian and
US governments really need to serve indigenous populations better. These
people deserve justice and they deserve safety. Yeah, it's a
heavy story.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
We didn't know yet at live shows and even at
regular not live shows to end with the positive stories,
So these are just both bad, both terrible.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's April twenty seventeen. We were just getting on our
live show feet learning these lessons of if there's a
drink special at the bar. You have to have a
stage high enough so people can't jump onto it. There's rules,
there's ways to do things. Okay, So here's George's story,
same show about the Kleine Falls hatchet attack.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
All right, sit back, relax. This one's got a little
something for everyone. You're gonna like this one, I think, so,
I hope. So, I don't know. I just said that.
So this one was suggested to me by our friend Katzulan,
who's here, who a lot of you guys have her
shirt design on. So a lot of the state, the
State of the Forest one and the regular you're gonna

(39:22):
call your dad's all Cat's design. She's already pollented, and
so she said. I was like, what do I do?
And She's like, read this book called A Strange Piece
of Paradise. It's my woman named Terry Jens and it
is about the Kleine Falls State Park hatchet attack. What
the fuck this is? That's what it looks like. What's

(39:42):
that guy's pelvis have to do? I'll tell you all
about it. Climb Fall State Park is on the banks
of the Dashoots River in central Oregon, and it's basically,
do you guys go there for summer. There the park
provides fishing access to the river. In nineteen seventy six,
the Trans America Bicycle Trail was the first bicycle touring
route to cross the US, traveling between Astoria, Oregon and Yorktown, Virginia,

(40:07):
mostly rural two lane highways. It was an eighty day
It was called the Bike Centennial Trail because it was
a bison tunnel. Y'll and it was like, ride this trail.
It was a fun play on marks. Yeah, I get it.
It took you along mostly rural two lane highways. It
was an eighty day, forty two hundred mile trip. So
in nineteen seventy seven to Yale undergraduates Terry Jens and

(40:29):
Shana Weiss are spending the summer before their junior year
riding the Bike Centennaial Trail. They were seven days in
and they stopped to camp at Climb Falls State Park,
which you're not actually out to park, but to camp there.
But they didn't know that it's near Redmond, Oregon. Both
when they get there they mentioned having a creepy feeling

(40:50):
like they're being watched, but they both ignored that feeling
because it's like, what are you going to be like,
let's get the fuck out of here, you know what
I mean? Yeah? Nah, if you're just like I a
feeling and it could be like a deer, right, I
don't know, it's just like a really busy body deer. Yeah,
it's just up in your fucking business. Yeh.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
When did you guys check in? You're not allowed to
camp here?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, this is my area. Yeah, you don't want to
see what I do at night. That's why you can't
camp here. It gets real weird.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
She's somehow that deer has curtains.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
You busybody, deer, busybody deer. Well, they settle in for
a bed around ten thirty and then around eleven thirty pm,
they're awakened when a truck drives into and over their tent.
What uh? They think that at first it must be

(41:45):
like an accident, a bunch of drunk teenagers, but Terry
expects to hear them freaking out, but instead, here's what
sounds like a single person get out of the truck.
Then she hears Shana scream leave us alone, and here's
the first blow of the hatchet. Then she hears six
quick more blows, and she says at that point, I

(42:06):
knew we were being murdered by a single psycho. And
then he turns his attention to Terry. She says, he's
above me. I'm threshing from side to side, and I
catch a glimpse of a piece of wood. I feel
a punk of cold metal and start to lose consciousness.
At that point, she said she knew she was going
to die, but a voice in her head said, I'm

(42:27):
too young to die. So she opens her eyes and
standing over her was a meticulously dressed cowboy astraddling me
on each side. I could see the boots, the pant legs,
the shirt meticulously tucked into his pants.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
But his what sorry, like a type a cowboy?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
That what you said? Yeah, I hate the idea of
that so much. You even put that up again. That's
where that comes in. Oh I hate his pelvis. Yeah
see it.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I feel like he would have gotten those jeans tailored
for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah. Well, she said that they were like perfectly you know,
around his boots in the exact way there, just like
not a she said, not a bulge of his cowboys
shirt was out of place.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Everything was in place, even though he had just fucking
driven over people.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
And hacked them with an hatchet mm hmm. But she
said he couldn't she couldn't see his face. His head
disappeared in the darkness, but she said she could see
the axe or hatchet poised above her, and he brings
it down slowly, like as if to you know what's
it called? Yeah, aim, And she grabs the hatchet right
here like she's praying and says to him, please go away,

(43:39):
take whatever you want, but go away and leave us alone.
And he fucking leaves. Sorry, you got you got questions?
Go for it?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Do you think he was so fucking like tightly wound?
He's like, well, she did ask politely. I want to
murder her so badly, but she has such good manners.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, maybe I know.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I Also there's something about like a cowboy. They're supposed
to be this certain way, you know what I mean.
They're supposed to be like little ma'am, come on, let
me serve you some beans, like it's all supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
You know what I mean, jump on my horse with me.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
They're not supposed to fucking they don't even think they
use hatchets.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
No, I don't know. I don't think they do.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I don't think got it. I think why would they
need to that's for the logger or the house houseman. Yeah.
She feels around the tent for her contacts, puts them
in with bloody fingers. What oh, how impossible. I stand
there for fucking twenty minutes in my background.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I don't mean to question the victim, but I want
more information about those contact lines.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
And then she finds her flashlight. Listen, I don't fuck
it work contacts.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
You tell me, Okay, they're fucking impossible to put in
and take out.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
One time I.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Thought one was stuck to my eye forever, and it
was very upsetting the idea that you would even try
to do contacts in a tent.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Who are they?

Speaker 5 (45:13):
What?

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Sorry, sorry, this is really triggering. Yes, I'm very upset
from the cowboy thing. Then you went straight into bloody contacts.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Carry Carrion doesn't want to fucking I'm right now, I'm
that dear.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Like, what the fuck is going on over there?

Speaker 6 (45:32):
You're disgusting, wear glasses for the weekend, your gritty hands
in your eyes, bloody, bloody pretty hands.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Fucking Okay, I'm a little bit keyed up in this
glassy right now, we.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Never getting one of these my life blood, your life contact,
your life blood. Con don't go back, I gonna go Okay,
Stephen cut them. Okay. She gets a flash it. She
gets out of the crush tent. She sees headlights down

(46:15):
the park road and she's like, is that the fucking
maniac killer or is that just someone driving through? So
she runs over to it, and I'm like, fuck it,
I gotta figure it out. It's two teenagers driving through
the park. Worst case, what if they were the killers?
There was a couple they had just gotten in a fight,
because teenagers just you know, getting fights. Seriously, she said
that serious.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
So they're all like arms crossed, like why are you
so bloody?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
And then it's like, can you imagine being like a
sixteen year old girl and your man at your boyfriend
because he talked to this girl but night like she
just asked for a cigaret and gave her one, said,
and then suddenly, bloody person, can you help me? Oh

(47:00):
my hair? Shit?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Those teenagers are got married or broke up, right Then
they were like.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Well, I guess it's not that important that she asked
you for a cigarette. No more in the skin of
a thing.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Well, I realized I have some perspective as a sixteen
year old now that hatchet murders are happening.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Fifty feet away from me. Let's see. So the two
teenage are drink to the park. They find her covered
in blood. She fls them down and then they were
like get in, and she was like, no, my friend
come follow me. And my friend is here, and so
the teens follow her and they find the friend by
the river and her she's lost consciousness, her head is off,

(47:37):
fucking hit up, and then they bring her to the
car and the teens take them both to the hospital
in critical condition. Guess what what, they both survived. Thank god,
I'm right, Jesus. I wasn't going to tell you that
before I told you about all the hatchet shit, just
because then you would be able to breathe a sigh of.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Relief, and I didn't want you to die. That's good,
that's good storytelling. Yes, it's tension. You use that tension.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Also, so it would have been such a mummer if
she had died, because we were riffing right before.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
No one wanted to really laugh. Yeah you can m yeah, no,
we can do it. No, you didn't know they weren't
gonna die. We just did it because that's what we're like.
We do, that's what we're like. Um okay there. Uh.
Shane is suffering from serious head injuries and that's the friend.

(48:25):
And Terry has a broken right leg, two broken arms,
one of which is severely hacked by the axe, and
there's a tire print left temporarily on her body.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Can you fucking do sorry? Is that the girl that
talked to the teenagers?

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah? Two broken arms and a broken leg. She tried
to She fucking still ran over to.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
The Yeah, because she was on like she was in
crazy adrenaline mode.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, enough to put her puck in contacts.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
In Apparently, when adrenaline hits, the first thing you want
to do is touch her fucking.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Iris up, bunch, you think she got her sailing? No,
I'm just taking an asshole. She's got this. She swirls
them around a little bit. Is that what you do?
Investigators have no description of the car, no white witnesses,
no sign of the weapon, no fingerprints, so aside from
sketches made of the truck's tire tracks. The investigation quickly

(49:18):
goes cold. So in the years following, both women recover.
Shana has permanently impaired vision, a loss of memory of
the tech and doesn't want to fucking talk about it,
and they stop talking to each other. But I know,
but Terry goes back to Yale finishes. She's just like
a badass. Fifteen years later, she goes back to fucking

(49:42):
find the person who did it and writes this goddamn
book about it. Oh that's her book. Yeah, holy shit,
you got the other one. I got to read that book?
Is that her? Yeah? Wow? I have to say, don't
listen to the audiobook. Read it. It's the audio books. Sorry, Yeah,

(50:02):
don't read you recommend the book book. Read it right
before beds. That'll give you nightmares. Yeah, read it. It's
just because the woman who reads it is Southern, and
it just like it doesn't make sense in you know
what I mean? Yeah, because they're just like listening to
a Southern accent. But the woman isn't Southern.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
That you know what that's I realize I just bought
the Errol Morris book that's about the one that's not
the one that you did. The story abook Doctor Jeffrey McDonald,
Is that you did Sam Shepherd, Jeffer McDonald, Sam Shepherd. Okay,
so I bought the audiobook about Jeffer MacDonald and the
guy that's reading it sounds like an alien that's trying

(50:42):
to blend in with human beatings, and it.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Is so distract it is really it's an art form.
I've realized for fucking years and years. So she goes
fucking back. But after three years, the statute of limitations
has expired. On attempted murder, on fucking tempted murder, on
being years Oregon, on being a super neat cowboy, on

(51:06):
running over people in their tenth that are sleeping and
hatchetting them. Fuck, three years, you're free. Yeah, so it's unsolved.
In ninety ninety two, she realized she's suffering from PTSD
and she goes back to investigate. She goes to Redman
with a video camera or a notepad, and she starts
fucking knocking on doors and she says, remember me, I'm
this girl, and everyone is like, oh fuck, like everyone

(51:29):
had it really had hit them because it was a
really nice town and they were so embarrassed that had
happened in their town. They were just like shit, man,
this like we're sorry.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Well, that became their hometown murderer totally. They were like,
did you hear about that? Fucking say shit that happened?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah. So she starts to come police files and interview
anyone who would talk to her. Nearly all the official
records of the attack, interviews, physical evidence, crimestune photos had
been purged, but she's able to find a thirty page report,
and even that took a lot of effort. The first
sess she's airas in on is a convicted child luster
named Richard Wayne Godwin. He was known to have killed

(52:05):
a five year old girl and kept her skull as
a candle holder. He's in prison for that murder, and
all the clues about the attack seemed to point in
his direction, and of course I'm like, damn, I like
anyone who comes up damn. Yeah. A female relative of
his was camping at Kleinfell State Park that night, and
it's possible he was pissed at her and did this attack,

(52:28):
but various details, he convinces her that it wasn't him,
but he is up for parole, so she fucking hell
knows that and goes in and proceeds to intervene on
his parole hearing to oppose an early release. Shit, yeah,
which worked, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, she just all she did is walking and go
just quick note candle holder skull, you guys go.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Bye, see you guys later. What the fuck do you
need me to do? Okay, So, with the help of
the teenage girl who is in the rescue car that night,
the night she was attacked, as well as other locals
who had everyone was like, well we know who, Terry
finds out about a local man who was a teenager
at the time of her attack. Less than twenty four

(53:11):
hours after the attack, Dirk Duran beat his teenage girlfriend
so badly that she was put in the hospital. Her
parents tried to file charges against him, but they were
told that since they were both miners, to just forget it.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, that's the best way to deal with anything, really, that's.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Absolutely they judge told them that, Yeah, well he would
know best. Teenagers. They are always beating, They always of
each other friend and try to drown them in front
of an entire bunch of people. She the girl tells
Terry that the night of the attack, she and Dirk
had gotten in a huge fight that had been broken
up by her dad around eleven PM that Dirk had

(53:48):
left in a rage and after the attack the time
of the attack, showed up at her house high on drugs.
She remembered that a tool and the next day he
beat the shit at her. She remembers that a toolbox
in Dirk's pickup truck where he always he always stored
a hatchet, and that toolbox was missing. And then she
realized something else was different about his trucks that night
or that in that time. She said, I noticed he

(54:08):
had changed the tires on the front of his pickup.
She visited the scene of the alleged attack and said
she recognized the tire tracks from Jerk's car without a
shadow of a doubt. She said, I knew it was him. Shit,
he could turn from this really nice yes, ma'am, thank you, ma'am,
to satan in his eyes. I mean, it was just
like two different people night and day. And then Terry

(54:29):
found out from locals that he had an axe that
had or like a hatchet or an axe that had
his initials carved in it that went missing after the attack,
and he told people that he hurt someone with it
and had to get rid of it. The cops question
him about it. Who sorry, who did he tell he
was like anyone who would listen. Every person she fucking
interviewed this book is tits like anyone like it's legit,

(54:53):
anyone who will listen. She fucking he fucking is like
he just.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Moses up to the bar bay y'all because he knew
he was.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
The suspect and everyone believed it, so he would just
bring it up with people because everyone his nickname became
Dirk the hatchet Man. No, yep, Dirk durand the Hatchetman.
Well that actually fits really nicely. I have to say. Yeah,
it's not like Dirk durand the like the guy that
ran over some gals, right, dirked aurand the sword man

(55:24):
as well, immediate suspect and everyone thinks he did it
got that name he'd been okay, So he'd been adopted
at a young age, and his parents were pillars of
the community and they ignored their adopted sons of many
abnormalities and issues, including rage and bullying and terry suspects
that law enforcement did at the time as well, because

(55:46):
his dad was like a big man. Terry is told
that Dirk's mom had always coddled him, including doing his
laundry for him and making sure that his signature cowboy out.
It was always meticulous, even making cowboy shirts for him.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Oh, handmade, mom made cowboy shirts.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
I want to talk about when you're data guy and
his mom does did his laundry and you're like, oh no.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Get out, get out right now in theaters, now get out.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
That is one of the clients. I you ask every
guy date or dated? So when did you start doing
your laundry? Because I want to know if you're a
fucking child, You're like, I'm not sure. Mom, bring her in.
During the investigation, Dirk is given two polygraphs, so the

(56:38):
investigation gets opened back up because this bitch is fucking
stirn some shit up. Yeah she is, yeah girl. During
the investigation, Dirk's given two polygraphs, fails them both, and
when the examiner tells him this, he cowers and starts bawling.
When he's told, reaches out holding the hands or armed arm.
We don't know, saying I didn't do it, but maybe

(56:58):
I don't believe that terry works with Dirk. You do
know you can't you can say nothing that's also an
aw show, or you can admit to it. Because the
statue of motherfucking limitations is a so you can be like, yeah,
I'm my gondn it son of a bitch. Okay. Terry
worked with victims' advocates groups Rights to change the statute
de limitations unattempted murder in Oregon. It's eliminated in ninety six,

(57:22):
so thank Terry among other Wow, so there's none at all,
none at all anymore. Tell your friends. Yeah, but it's
not retroactive. Oh well yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I mean,
he served four years in jail for a crime he
committed against a hunting partner. The reason he's nailed is

(57:44):
because I clearly copied and paste that because I would
never say that. It is because that she'd brought him
to the attention of the police and they needed to
fucking do something. They were watching him carefully. Ultimately, though,
she's never able to prove conclusively that he's the attacker.
And then so she said, and the book is really
fucking amazing because as she's doing this, she's like finally

(58:06):
coming to terms with all what happened, because she used
to make you know, how we do, like, yeah, I
got a tech when I was you know, like and
showing the scar and being like, this is a badge
of honor, and look how I got past this and
I'm successful. And then suddenly she's like, I'm I have
ptsc so she goes back. So she learned, she said,
I learned that traumatic memory gets stored in the brain
differently than other memories. When a trauma occurs, it isn't

(58:26):
stored in a narrative with a beginning, of middle, and
an end. It gets stored in fragments, like shards of
broken glass. So one of the things that I found
profoundly healing for everyone to do is to put those
fragments together in a narrative with a beginning, a middle,
in and end, so you can tell the story of it.
You can corporate incorporate it, and begin to make sense
of it. So that's what she did with this book,
even though she couldn't get this guy to justice. And

(58:49):
that is Terry Gents and her book A strange piece
of paradise. Nice Terry Gents.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I love I love that because that must have been
so hard.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
That must have been the hardest.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Thing in the world to walk away from, like a
successful life and pretending that you're good with everything and
diving back into the deepest shit, ye, and putting it
together like he could just.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Came going and she was successful and doing well, but
she just wouldn't fucking like that. She kind of probably
wasn't doing it. No, totally down. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,
well done Terry. Gents. Yeah, if you know Terry or
work with her, please tell her. We say hi, yeah,
should we tell us a good story? Thank you? Yeah, Okay,

(59:36):
we're back. Do you have updates for that horrible story?
Kind of So, Dirk Duran was a pseudonym that Terry
used for her attacker in her book, but in coverage
of this case, some media outlets have used his real name.
But I wanted to flag that Terry chose to give
him a fake name because she was wary of giving
him attention and or potentially endangering women who might reach

(59:58):
out looking to reform him. So it's just just a
little update.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Wow, that's a really smart and unbelievable kind of like
thing to be aware of that there is this kind
of like part of the population that has this very
strange attraction to these horrifying men.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, it's just very smarggling smuggling. All right, Well, we
got so lucky and we got a great hometown from Portland.
From an audience member, this is a story about her
weekend with Susan Monicah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Yeah, should we figure out a hometown for to hear
from people?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Can you? If possible? Can we just bring the lights
up at tiny bit so we can just see we
know this. The show's almost over. When my tissue we
got it goes all the way up there? Hi, I
didn't know you didn't need but this is the third show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I know, but I didn't. I honestly haven't seen that part.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And there's Stephen right there. He and then he was
there and they were there see here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
No, I still can't see him because I haven't put
my contact.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I refuse to do it anymore. Your hands, Yeah, and
get it together.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Does anybody have a good hometown murderer?

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
That's a that's a good story, Karen Picks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Do you promise, okay? Come up these stairs? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I got a thing. HI, give this person a hand. Hey,
what's your name?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Ms?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Nicole? Nicole care it's no call. Everybody call for Nicole.
I like you.

Speaker 5 (01:01:43):
Okays go wrong because my sister Angela is the one
that brought me and she turned me onto you, guys,
she's amazing. Okay, you want to sneak up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Here looking character, give me, don't roll up on the stage, girl,
fucking pull a gun on you. You should have seen the
way my tone changed last night. It went from like, girl,
look at this drugs, look at this dress. Everyone that's
Sami is that's what we'll get around around.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yes, for one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Second I thought you were going to fall off the
stage when you took a turn that scared.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
The ship of a maid. Yeah, okay, guys, sisters don't
have to talking to microphones. Coole, and what's yournavor is?
What's your name name? Angela? Angela, Angela? Okay, we try
it again, Angela.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah okay, but Nicole's telling the story and then angel
is going to do backup if need be.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yes, Yes, I'm the Carrien's Karen clearly Karen. Yeah, forgot.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
So I have to be completely honest. So a few
years what five years ago now, probably I was in
the throes of drug addiction. So I spent a lot
of time in and out of jail.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Which, to interrupt, That's part of why I love you, guys,
because you're so honest about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
And we know that we can be successful. Have we've
gotten pass a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
That is a big thing at the back, We're glad
you're here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
It's real.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
In one of my throes of let's still be drug addicts.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
I ended up in jail for a weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
It was the longest weekend of my life because I
ended up in jail with Susan what is her last.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Susan Monica, the pig farm lady.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
Yes, and she was from Klamath Falls Grands Past area.
And I ended up in jail with her, and I
ended up having to be sober.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
It was terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
And she's scared the living crap out of me. She is.

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
She's a tall woman, and she is completely hairless. She
has no hair at all whatsoever. And I was completely
unaware of the situation is going on in my own
town because I was so consumed with myself.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
I was like, give me drugs or give me nothing.
So I ended up in jail with her.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
She's completely hairless. Apparently she had fed bodies to her pigs.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
I'm smarty.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
I don't even know how many victims.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah, I don't think she had, like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I guess and friends, Hold on a second, you know,
what that cool?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Yeah, I love when I get a chance to do that. Yes,
that is her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
She was talking to them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yeah, so go ahead and you tell the story.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
I ended up with her, and she had court and
they came and got her and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
They gave her a wig.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
She was mad about the way because it wasn't her
natural haircut made her a wig.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Wait. Sorry, So she had like alopecia.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
Or something, Yeah, something where she was completely hairless and
was losing weight consistently.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
She by the time I met her, she will do
that to you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
Yeah, by the time I met her, she said she
had lost like fifty pounds or something.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
She was just skin.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Who did she kill? She killed the workers on her farm,
from what I remember.

Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
And then used their EBT food cards after they were
already dead.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
What did she was also on me? She lo what
did she? What was she like when you were in jail.

Speaker 5 (01:05:03):
So here's the creepiest thing is that, because I was
so sober, I was so scared of her once I
realized who she was and there was only two other
girls in there. It wasn't like it was a big dorm.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
It's four little beds with no TV, and it's the
weekend you're not getting out till Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
And jail, right, I was on the right right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
I was on the top bunk, and I was reading
I since I've been in and autjail so much, the
officer is kind of new, so they always left me
a pile of books.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Well yeah, so nice consider it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
And I was laying on the top bunk and my
book fell down and I was too scared to move
a muscle. So she gets up, she gets my book,
she puts it on top of my bunk with me,
and then tucks me into this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
I died.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Did it look like a big thumb? Was tough about it?

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
It was like this horrible blanket, this not warm, this
crack a blanket. I'm in these clothes that smell like
someone else, this murderer, this pig murder, like a good
one that used the gun.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
Fed people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
The pig.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
He has now put a blanket on top of me
and touched me in.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
For the night.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
She's like night, no. No.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
What she says is are you doing okay? Are you
coming down okay? I'm like, yes, thank you, Can.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
I roll over. You're helping me so much.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
The whole weekend she told me about her murder. She
showed me all her court documents, all the paper she
had in.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
The jail cell.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
She was constantly, constantly complaining she needed like the special
meal with like no meat, everything has to be kosher
and hi, yeah, And she showed me all our paperwork.
She's like, they don't know, but I told them the
body's here, and they won't listen to me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
I'm like, who's not listening to you? Tell them where
the body is.

Speaker 5 (01:06:55):
She's showing me all these drawings and everything, and this
other woman makes her dice so she can play the
dice game.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
It was just the worst weekend of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
But the highlight of my life is when I don't
answer the call from prison because I don't have any
money to answer. It's a collection.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
So her voicemail is just roommates with pig firm, lady
roommates with pick.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
I'm got yet, that's so sister, I do not in jail.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
She like, don't tell me what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Tell me and are you gonna get clean?

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Is everything going on? Tell me more about the pig lady.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Rocks the fucking bottom.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Which and I will tell you guy, guys, the last time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
I've ever been in jail.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
You. I mean, you know, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
If you went back to jail after that, it's just
gonna be a disappointment.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, it's not gonna be as good at all. And
you're like, they left me Shakespeare, but I don't even know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
She was like motherly, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
She wanted to talk to everyone, find out what their
problems were.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
She wanted to like girls chat at night.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I'm like, give me something.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
I'm so sorry for whatever I did to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
They're like cold and hot and sweating, and you're just.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
Like, she's just like talking. She's showing you all her paperwork.
She's like and there's so much more that they don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
What don't they know? I'm gonna testify against you and
how this works.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
I'm trying to like stay calm the whole weekend, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
And coming down to take her your prison wives, do
you have to testify against your prison.

Speaker 5 (01:08:38):
There could be a clause. I'm not sure exactly what
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
I mean, what if you did fall in love with
her though? How she guys meet.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
It was the longest weekend by the time Monday came around,
and I knew I was getting to leave. I was like,
we'll have a good life and good luck with Cork.
Because you get convinced that she's gonna go home. She
just kept saying, well, I'm gonna to go home.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
They're not gonna be able to do anything. It's fine.
They didn't even find all the evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Of Like, wait, her name is Susan what Susan Monica?
Susan Monica two first names.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
I hate that farm killer a pig farm killer. And
she would feed the people that worked for her to
her pigs.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Did she kill them before him?

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
In one incident, she told me that she had killed
the guy and then didn't know what to do with
the body, so she just took it outside of the bar.
Is what she told me. She's like, I just let
you know, I just let the pigs take care of it.
They'll eat anything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
I don't feel bad about eating pig anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
It's like, you know, yeah, did she tell you that story?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
As she was tucking you in, I laid the body
gently into the pig.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Mankin, is that warm enough for you? Did you know
pigs will eat any They will eat it apparently?

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
Man, Yeah, that is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
That is a really amazing or Nicole, right, yes, Nicole, everybody,
what was your name again?

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
And angela backup sister. Yeah, that was incredibly right, you
guys were great. That was fucking yeah, well done. Who's
watching albums? Oh should? I forgot to get a cap sitter.

(01:10:29):
I love that. That was a sister team. That's fun.
That's good times. That's fun times.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
That's exactly what happened last night, except for the second
one was not invited on yesdaye except.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
It wasn't fucking terrifying, and I didn't think my life
was ending. And then suck an army roll. Just I'll
never forget it. That was beautiful. She did turn out
to be very nice and apologized on Yeah, lovely, lovely lady. Okay,
we're back, Karen. I want to give us any updates
on this case.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
There aren't really any updates. Susan Monica is still in
prison serving her fifty year sentence. She got convicted in
twenty fifteen, and basically it's just that's it, just.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
As awful as as it was. Yeah, all right, Well,
so this episode was originally titled Live at Revolution Hall,
but if we were naming it today, perhaps we would
call it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
We can call it I can see your auras, which
is what Georgia told the audience because she had had
so much yrmamte.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Remember that at all? Oh my god, I'm like, what
am I going to caffeinate myself with this fucking trip?

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I du that's the great mystery you have to solve
for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Oh my god? All right, we can also call it
I love this get out in theaters now. When Karen
said something about guys whose mom does their laundry, get
out of that relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yeah, don't date guys that whose moms still do their laundry.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
No still or ever? Like yuck. Come on, all right, well,
thanks for listening to another episode of rewind and go
to my favorite murder dot com, slash Live and see
if there's any tickets left for any of our upcoming shows.
We'd love to see you there. Yes, now here's our
goodbye from the twenty seventeen Revolution Hall in Portland. Do

(01:12:16):
you hear that? Yeah? I like it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Let me me sing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Portland. We adore you so much. Thank you so much
for your support.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Honestly, I've been I've been telling everybody this anecdote, but
it really is true. You guys, you guys were there
so early for this podcast, and you were so vocal
and you were so in it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
And one of the one of.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
The first pieces of Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered graffiti
that we ever saw that got posted to Twitter was
from Portland, Oregon, and it really meant the world to us.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
You guys love your vandalism, and we love you for it.
You vandalize in our name, Thank you kindly for that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
You graffeited our hearts, yes, permanently, tattoo style. We love you,
Stay Sexy and soho get mar Bye you guys, Thank
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