Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 68: Q&T&A - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Every Wednesday we recap our old shows with all new
commentary and updates and insights.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Today we're recapping episode sixty eight, which we named q
nt NA Hot.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
This episode is a little different. Instead of telling each
other about a case, we answer listener question.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
What a great idea? What a great way to not
have to do homework? Yes, I mean Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I feel relieved in the future listening back to like
we were taking care of ourselves.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
This episode came out May eleventh, twent The Little Baby
of twenty seventeen, which just happens to also be Karen's birthday.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh that little baby. So okay, let's listen to the
intro of episode sixty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Birthday, Birthday, Birthday week Smith Birthday. It's a birthday month.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I love that we're traveling on my birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I know that's the that's the what we give up
for this podcast. What if I get the whole plane
to sing happy birthday to you, I will ache.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
With this podcast. He never talked to you again. You
know that's my sensitivity.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I cannot in a restaurant have anyone seeing it. Happy birthday?
Right no wow, okay, okay, okay, I didn't think so,
but I couldn't remember if it was like funny or
horrifying for you.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Well, a plane would be bad because then you just
have to sit there, like a restaurant when what'd you say?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I think it would be the best because the unexpected.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well as people hate your guts. It's like in a
restaurant you can join in or note in a plane
then you're you're just trapped with fake fun.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
But like remember when.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
We were at that restaurant in Portland, the Turkey restaurant,
and oh yeah, and someone's saying happy birthday, and it
was so fun.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Oh yeah, I always sing along to sing along. Always
it's always like not I mean like people, I don't know,
it's the most fun. It is like you're so happy
for them. Yes they have friends or a loved one.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
That they're celebrating, that this is a good thing. We're
all in some way glad you're here.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Or then it's just like a couple on a first date.
You're like one of them make it up to seem fun,
but it's their birthday and tell them or like is.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
They are they that pathetic? That they have to make
up birthdays to be fun.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Or is it a girlfriend who just got dumped in
her friends with her and she's like, you know what,
you just serve a candle. I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna
make you laugh.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm gonna get you free hot fudge. That's how much
I love you.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Hey, this is my favorite murder. We started.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
We are the true crime podcast that asks the question,
what if we talk about that there's stuff and also
that's the question, just pronounce things in a weird way.
It sounds like I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
That's her tagline, hobo, I said it. This is the
first This is the first podcast episode. Slash transmission from
the podcast. Nook of my new apartment. It's a loft.
There's wrestling memorbilia everywhere because we watch wrestling. Name this place,

(03:14):
we watch murder. That's this is what we watch. The
loft is called yeah, that's awesome. They record here, they
get they get one wall of murder, memory of podcasting, Nope,
where am I wrestling? Wrestling memorabilia? And we get one
and a half, very filled out, very full of gifts
murdery no gifts to us, yes, one of which we

(03:35):
just got and I'm so in love with it's he's
like plush pillows, one for each of us. This squirrel
got custom made fabric of squirrels and bunnies and foresty
stuff and it's adorable. But there's also murder scenes and
it's cartoon murder scenes and skulls and bones and like

(03:55):
buried bodies.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, and then strips of material. Let's say stay out
of the forest.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
It looks like, you know, police do not cross line,
but it says stay out of the forest. And they're amazing.
Let's get her very cute shout out. It's called Uh.
Her name is Mariah and it's Etsy dot Com and
her name is cou kalamaka Cocalamakla. That's that.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I don't know, you're right, I'm just thrown it out there.
That's right, Huh.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
It's k O O k A l A m A
k A. I hope she's selling these because they're fucking
incredible and they're like they're like legit.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Well, and also they're on this for all the other
people who've given us lovely gifts, just know they're here.
They're all They're all around us right now. Somebody tweeted
at me the other way the other day. Did your
lava ball necklace make it back from the Fox Theater,
which is like first the first leg of the tour
way long ago, and I would like to report to
that person, Yes, of course it did. It's not it's

(04:51):
not in this loft. It's somewhere in my kitchen. But
we all the stuff people give us, we ship back
and then we like sit in it.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's gonna be one. It's all up and I finally
dealt with it. It's gonna be This place is gonna
be a fucking hoarder's nightmare of murder.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So good, So thanks for those thank you lovely gifts.
Oh so now we have to talk about Casting Jambinet,
because you guys were like I thought you were gonna yeah.
So here's what I'll just do the quick version of
the what happened. We decide what we're going to do
is do our first ever live watching podcast recording where

(05:30):
together George and I watch Casting Jambinet and comment on
it as it goes and basically have that kind of
experience would not be hilarious and fun and it's just fascinating.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Turns out no, I.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Would say, we got well, it turned out that casting
Jombinet was not the thing we thought it was. It
was a different thing. I would personally say it was
a study on the strange personalities and behavior of actors.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, that's close. There was a lot of.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
The desperation of the of show business. There were a
lot of other things happening besides just the story of
John Benny Ramsay's murder.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Maybe this will finally be the thing that catapults me,
much like my favorite murder wasn't when we started it, yeah,
because we never uh yeah. And it was a lot
of opinions of people that I didn't care about their opinions.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's their opinions seemed super made up. And as we
all know, no one likes to look in the mirror.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
So I was sitting.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
There going, lady, shut your mouth, you don't know anything
about and then I was like, oh, damn it. So
it was not I think we got fifteen twenty minutes
in and we just like looked at Stephen, We're like,
turn it off. This is not because I couldn't. It
wasn't even like I could riff about it.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
It was too weird.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Lots of the things that were happening were visual yeah,
or feel like just bad vibes, and we were basically
sitting there kind of shitting on normal people who were
tricked into being in in this documentary.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I think in the beginning, when we didn't realize what
it was, we were like, this is funny and it's good,
and like we were being really funny and griffy, and
then it got kind of sad, and then we just
I realized we had both been sitting there in silence
for five minutes. Yeah, and I was like, this isn't
What do we do for this week's episode? Because this
isn't fucking it? And so we put up a live
our one of our favorite live episode, one of our

(07:21):
favorite people had been asking for it. We were gonna
put out anyways, we've we've.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Built in a security system so that we can take
artistic chances, but that was not one we should have ever.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
This week is one we're going to take and I
feel like it's going to go, well.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
This is a good one. Stephen, was this your idea
Q and A episode? Yes? I think it was all
like was it Georgia?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, well no, no, no, it is such a brat.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I hated it. Look on your face when I just
looked over you right now. You were just like, I
hate my It was like, I hate myself? Why do
I just let everyone have it? You can.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Ye, you don't think I do that all day long?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's all anyway.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
If you think of good ideas, you want.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Credit for fucking know it all? Sorry, thank you.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
To Stephen's cheeks are all red and now you feels
a deep shame for something, and I like stole it?
Did you steal it?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
No I Stephen, No, you're good, Thank you, Stephen.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh. I was just gonna say, yeah, Q and A,
it's gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
You are correct in your A. The queue is it?
Go on?

Speaker 2 (08:27):
What I was just gonna say, did you have something
to say about John Benet? Look like you were going
to pick up the mic?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Oh I was gonna say. We ended up watching like
forty five minutes of it.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh my god. You have to So if you want
to pay a thousand dollars to listen to that, give
it to charity. We don't need it. But you can't. Also,
you know you're not allowed to. You won't tell you
what charity it is.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
You're such a marketer, you're such a like, how do
we take this thing and turn it into and I
love it.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'm gonna know it all and I'm a fucking marketer.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I'm gonna know it all. I'm a non marketer, So
pick one. I mean, there's all these lanes we can be.
But here's the thing, know it All's it's because we
have experience being right and so it's you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know why. It's because we actually know it all everything.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean, if there's anything this podcast has proven is
that we know everything.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
We know everything down to science.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Someone tweeted and said, please make sure people understand that
it is important to give like resuscitation, and like it
was something where there was a person who had a
lot of experience. It was just like you've basically told
people they don't have to give yeah, artificial artificial respiration
or whatever, any of that.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Theat worry about it.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You can pull the thing off the wall. There's a
woman like, please know that's not true at all.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
There's a blowhorn on the wall. And if you just
cram it in their face and blowhorn in their face,
they're fine. You don't have to give CPR. You don't
have to know CPR anymore. No, congratulations, yeah, okay, So
but something came out of this Jambinet episode.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yes, that's right, because we did take the time at
the beginning to reveal each other's tramp stamps to each other.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Which is promise. Yeah, thank god, care I remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
So, so we're actually gonna play that was real time.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, we're going to play that bad t end.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
We're not going to recreate it.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, so we're gonna play you our reveal that we
promised you of our tramp stamps.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Go quickly tell everyone how and why, uh and where
and under what conditions you got your tramp stamp?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Go? Oh yeah. I had my heart broken really bad
for like the first big time ever was I was
like nineteen, and it was like ripped from my fucking
chest and I just needed a distraction so badly. I
was so sad that I was just like, I'm getting
a fucking tattoo. So I had my friend perfect solution,
you know what I mean. I was just like, I
need something else to fucking focus on. So I had

(10:50):
my friend who had a bunch of tattoos, take me
to the tattoo artists in an Orange County. Then he
went to ended up sucking yeah, and I got hearts
on both my like upper flanks.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
What do you use the word flank? Which is great
and perfect?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
You can see that in your mind. Absolutely. So it's
two red hearts with a black little outline on them.
They're cute.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, it's almost like you like you accessorized yourself permanently.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't mind them, but I never see them.
I forget they're there. And it totally worked. It totally
distracted me.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Guys, get a tattoo if you're sad, Yeah, it's perfect.
What about you. I just have a salmon.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I just have a picture of a salmon.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Is it like a filet of salmon on a plate
with like some parsley.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's some delicious braised salmon. It's a It's actually looks
exactly like the sticker on the back of a fisherman's
truck cab, you know those. Yeah, it's like, oh here,
I like fishing these specific kind of fish. It's based
on that picture.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Is it color?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Okay? Why did you get that alcoholism? And we why salmon?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I've told the story before, but the original plan was
we were going to get pokemahone tattooed on our asses.
It was me and my two other friends. What's that
that's gayelic for kiss my ass. So we thought we
were drunk. We thought would be very funny, funny to
get that tattooed on our ass. So we went to
the tattoo parlor on Sunset. It's not there anymore. And
when we told the guy that was a plan, he
refused to do it. He said it would look terrible,

(12:19):
the words would have to be too big. I thank
fucking God for him. But then my friends, who also
already had tattoos, had backup like planned piece immediately, and
I was just standing there, still totally drunk and like,
I don't know, And so I did like a thing
that I thought would be kind of funny or like,
I can't really explain it. It's just the perfect symbol

(12:41):
of how I did everything in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Almost like a it's a fuck it tattoo. Yeah, it's
so who fucking cares about life tattoo?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's a permanent fucket, which is what's stupid about it.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Well, it's on your back.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Who sees it.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Nobody is not mean when you're walking away, not me,
not me. I love the fact that you hate fish. Yeah,
I can't. You can't eat fish, can't eat it? All right, Stephen,
look away, we're going to show each other our trap stamps.
Can I, Karen, show me your salmon. It's not going
to be getting your salmon tail. It's not a whale tail.
Let's see. Oh wow, it's actually done really well. It's

(13:14):
really light too. Yes, it's like a shade. It's well shaded.
I was expecting like a cartoon outline of Oh no,
I don't know. It's actually done really well. It's not
as big as I thought it would be.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
He's wearing glasses.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, he's got a cigar in his mouth.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
For me, it feels humongous, like the size of the
palm of my hand.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's not, honestly, and I'm not just you don't need
to do this. But if you wanted to get that removed,
I bet it would take just a few sessions.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I bet it would, because it's not that. It just
looks almost like veins, like strangely places veins right now.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Really light. Okay, let's see, are you already Mine isn't.
And if I ever want to get removed, I just
have to cut my flanks off.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Oh, at least you have flanks.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, talk about mudflaps.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Oh, America, I wish you could see what I'm seeing
right now.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's such a nineteen year old Georgian move. So good.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I mean it looks like too missus Grossman's stickers on
either side of the above of your butt cheeks.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
That's so funny, locket Man.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Just kind of classic.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, fuck it, Adriane, thank you for breaking my heart.
Thank you for having a girlfriend the whole time you.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Were dating me, Oh, Adrian, and keep for ghosting me, Adrian,
what did you think was going to happen? And also
do you still feel that now that human impact hangover
that you left?

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, you feel it. We're friends on Facebook. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
That's why I can't be on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I'm so much better than him now, I'm one. And
you got the hearts to prove it, and I got
the blacking hearts to prove it. Hearts and the butt
hearts the heart of your butt, you know. Yeah, So
that's tattoo. Okay, we just had to.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
We had to get that cleared up before we could
give our full attention.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
You can't keep talking about it and then not do it.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Okay, ah, I remember, remember, and then so something did
come out.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
It's good of Yeah, we learned a little more about
each other. We're just building that bridge of love.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
If you had to get another tattoo, what would it be,
your face next to the salmon? The salmon you're you're
the salmon's birthmark, and it's all fate.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's like God's close up look, God's own salmon.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, I feel like obligated to get a stay sexy,
don't get murder tattoo? You do, I do? But then
what if it all goes to shit and I'm like
reminded every day but like.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
This ended in a fire, Well, you'll be reminded every
day anyway, so you might as well, like true, make
it look like you have some sort of sense of
humor about it.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
That's true. You can't. And then I can. If I
get stay sexy, don't get murder when it all ghost
to shit, I can write I didn't stay sexy. At
the top.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
They're all so they're so adjustable. There's tattoos. There's nothing
more flexible than a tattoo.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Oh and then oh, I wanted to read a corrections
corner email. Yeah right, yeah, I guess what I was
wrong about stuff. This is Georgia, by the way, this
is from w How do you say that name? Let's
see Shiloah. It's got to be better than Shiloh. Shit,

(16:20):
you're right. How come I can't put letters and they're
correct because you panic? I have panic dyslexia is don't.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
You think like the second you look at it and
it's not immediately recognizable, you're like, you're gonna get it
wrong and then you don't let yourself.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I also don't think that.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Then.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I do want to say that the name Chevon, the
spelling is not fair. I think I've said that before anyways.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
The Irish name Chevon, Yeah, it's in spelling.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
It looks like Siobon. It's not fair.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
It's in Santay, but that's Gaelic. That's like a whole
different language.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Just someone who can't read things, it's not fair. Okay, yeah,
that one's not fair. First of all, I wanted to
thank you for shelling for sharing my Terce's tragic story.
That's a couple of episode back. That's my Terce Richardson,
a really great not great, but a horrible story. That's important, Okay. Anyways,
I think it incredibly important for the public to be
aware of such mishaps and encouraged law enforcement entities to
learn from these tragedies. Both of the agencies mentioned in

(17:07):
your story have been around for a long time and
have both wonderful triumphs and shameful pieces to their history.
My correction is to bring awareness that the LAPD and
the LA County Sheriff's Department are not the same thing.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Both are two enormous departments within the County of Los Angeles,
and lots of people think that they are synonyms for
each other. However, when referring to specific cases, especially when
there is when there was neglect or misuse of powers,
it's important to hold the correct agency accountable. In your
retelling of the story, you actually referred to both. However,

(17:44):
this was entirely the Los Angeles County Sheriff Sheriff's Department case.
LAPD was not involved whatsoever. Thank you, Steven for taking
the time to read this. I only made the correction
because I know that you have such a large audience
and don't think that incorrect information, especially in such a
turbulent social and political climate, towards law enforcement should be perpetuated. True.

(18:07):
A small additional correction, A law enforcement officer is never
trained to shoot someone simply to injure them, for instance,
hit them in the shoulder or the leg, said Georgia.
He didn't write that, or she didn't write that. I
said that. There are other tools at their disposal for
less than lethal force, and the firearms only meant for
one purpose. So interesting. If I can ever be of

(18:29):
any help on any of these topics, please feel free
to reach out. I think we needed this person in
an entire episode. Yes, for sure. I am a forensic
psychologist with a research background in police psychology, and I
also have law enforcement experience. Keep up the amazing work, ladies.
I love all that you do. Shiloh. Wow, thank you

(18:49):
so much for that email. I mean, listen, you.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Know what's embarrassing to me about that email is I have,
as I've mentioned several times, a lot of relatives in
the San Francisco Police apartment. But I also have had
relatives that are sheriffs. So I feel like if anyone
should have known that very big difference, I should have
at least said.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Such The comedy writer, No, why would you know that.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I just feel like that's something I kind of know
back in the back of my mind. But I think
it's because they were they do it in different areas,
So like, if you were to tell me they were synonymous,
I would have been like, oh, yeah, that makes sense
to me.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
That was a perfect email of telling us why we
were wrong.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
And also information that we do really need to know.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, I'm so happy to get those. In the same
way that when we were told that you don't say prostitute,
you say sex worker, we have just completely tried never
to do that again. I fucking correct people all the
time in the most cocky way. Actually, Dad, I corrected
my dad.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Don't you feel like there's nothing better? There's nothing more
quickly that you do that with new information then turn
around and use it on somebody else, Like that's my favorite.
Oh the second I'm gonna this second somebody says anything
about the sheriff in the lapd I'm gonna be like, Hi,
I'm sorry, excuse me. I don't mean to interrupt your dinner.
Those are two different entities.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
They're not synonymous. And do I use that word, And
it's because we know everything, Yes, even until we learn
it and then from there on.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
But then yeah, but then we still know it. And
time is a flat circle.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
So last week when we played our live episode from Indianapolis,
is that right? And Karen's fucking fabulous murder? What was
her name? Bell Gunnis? Bell Gunnis had a fucking thing
in the newspaper asking for her husband that she was
going to murder. And it said at the end triflers
need not apply. And we said to you guys at

(20:47):
this show, that's our next shirt. And guess what it is. Yep,
let's do birthday corner. Oh, go to my favorite murder
shirts dot com. I'm all over the place. I love it. Karen, Yes,
when this comes out, it will be my booth, God willing.
When this comes out.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I could be dead soon.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
That's true. Well, I was thinking more that the entire
world will implode and there won't be some two days
no grid, off the grid, the grid will be down.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
That's going to take at least four more months, I'd.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Say four days. So when this comes out on Thursday,
we have let's wait two days, two days days. Yeah, Friday,
we're fucked. But on Thursday, happy birthday. Thank you kindly,
I'm so excited for you. We're going to be on tour.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yep, it's a dream birthday. I get to be in
a hotel room, which I loved. I get to go
do shows for our fans, which is the most fun,
the biggest, like ego boost, the most, the best way
to make a living.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Oh, I thought you're being sarcastic about the hotel room.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
No, I could live in hotel room. Yeah, there's nothing
I love more.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I thought you were gonna get like real dark and
deep of like I'm going to be alone. No, you're
happy having to be alone. I was like, Vincent, I
will take you to dinner. I was like, how much
you want to be with a couple. That's like, no,
you just make up the whole time. Anyway, you guys,
what TV shows do you like? I had a show
on your birthday that would be so fun.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Just travel the best part about touring.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Can I bring you a Donnu on stage on Friday
at the DC show whichever one's first? Or do you
not want a whole audience sing happy birthday to you?
You probably do?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Oh? I absolutely demand it.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Okay, great, Stephen, what were you gonna say happy birthday?

Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Just happy birthday, Steve.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Thank you, Steven.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I'm pretty excited. I mean, at my age, you stop
caring about birthdays. And I know that people say that
it's a real mom thing to say while you threw
a dish owl over your shoulder, but you really just
you know, I.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Think at twenty three, you stop caring about birthdays unless
you're really just unless you're really looking for something. Yeah, Okay,
we're back. We are back. Any changes in the way
you feel about birthdays since twenty seventeen.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Karen, I feel like any previous stance I had was
deeply affected by COVID and quarantine, So any of that
kind of like Sarah pussy like it doesn't matter or
whatever is like I feel like in Quarantine, I really
had a lot of those dark nights of this soul
of what if I never get to be with like
eight friends in a room again, what if there's no

(23:27):
more game night ever? Like that idea was very upsetting
to me. So I think I'm trying to be better
about like making plans, even though it seems like a
whole nother job to throw a party.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I've always been very firm on this thing where I
have a lot of friends who don't like to celebrate
their birthday. They don't want to do a party, they
don't want to do a thing, And I always tell
them it's not for you. Everyone is lonely and they
need a reason to go somewhere and talk to people.
You're doing them a favor by letting them celebrate. Yeah,
you turning forty seven or whatever the fuck, Like that's
so nice. They need a reason. It be you. I know.

(24:01):
Yeah it's hard. Yeah, you know what.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's such a good that would completely work on me.
And also I think maybe sometimes the people who say
I don't care about my birthday, are they just the
people who are like, what's that thing where you have decision.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Fatigue or whatever?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
They're just like overwhelmed and they're like, I wouldn't know
where to start. I don't know how to please everybody
at once.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Like I got pick a bar and go to it.
Literally like that.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
To pick a bar and pick a time and your set.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
And an outfit and you're fucking done. You just have
to show up and you gotta leave whenever you want.
You get it's your birthday to do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Everyone buys you drinks the whole time totally chit chatting away.
You're so right about the people need to hang out,
so they're like everyone's excited for anyone's birthday because it's like, yes,
give me a chance.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I just realized, though, that philosophy, if it's not for you,
it's for everyone else and let them is also the
same philosophy I have about funerals.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
You know what, They're very similar situations. It's not for you,
it's not about you.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
It's about everyone else morning not you. It's not you,
and you don't get to decide. Yeah, exactly. It's very deep.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I was surprised that this was the first episode from
the pod loft.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I thought we were gonna late. Yeah, but no, but
I guess not. I think, but I guess not. Was
what is that? A year since we started? Over a
year since we started, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Guess like it feels like so much more because so
much happened.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think like we finally signed some kind of contract
that gave us some cash money. Yeah, and I could
afford a deposit on an apartment.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
On a fancy high ceiling.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Department, yeah, with a fucking dishwasher.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, and some delicious cold coffee anytime day or night.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Oh, I have bad news I have to tell you. Oh, no,
Gus the Jacuzzie cat has gone up to the Great
Jacuzzie in the Sky to hang out with Elvis r
I peek us on George. They're all chilling around a
jacuzzi together, smoking fucking cigars.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
George would be trying to kill those cats with every
fiber of her being.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
No, she wouldn't, I refuse.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
She was a very unfriendly desert dog that didn't even
want to be in my house.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
She was not a friend to animals at all.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
It's so funny, like maybe she chilled out in heaven
though maybe she like everything she felt safe again.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, exactly. You can put down whatever it is that
you've been carrying.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, all your trauma from out in hemmet, let it go.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
It's okay, little meth dog.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Oh and we revealed to each other that we both
up tramps damps, Right, that was.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
An epic moment. That was a turning point in this podcast.
Is like I think, so, no, we're stuck together.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, this is like a disgusting, a disgusting DNA reveal
that we're actually like we actually are related or something.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Our tramp stamp for sync and it was like, well,
now our white trash got sync up and we're just
like yeah, and now we're stuck, hey, permanent, fuck up?
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
We've dedicated it, We've tattooed it onto ourselves.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, we touched tramp stamps. And now are we just
like like a blood you know, what's it called? A
blood packed in tramp stamps?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
And then we reverse the luck, we reverse the flunking
out of every school.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
The only way to turn back into each other ourselves.
It's like freaky fright it this whole time is to
touch tramp stamps again.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
And fucking wrap this podcast, right.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Come over right now, please get over here, please? Yeah, Yeah,
that was great.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
And also talking about being on the road, I know,
and we're fucking doing three cities a weekend.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I know. Yes, that was our first tour, first real tour, right,
and we're doing doing like drive to the next city,
stop at old fucking burger king or waffle house if
you're lucky.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I just remember an Arby's stop once at the end
of a weekend and I was just like, I can't
I love Arby's, but I fucking can't be more constimated, right,
now then I already am.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I always think about how much I used to get
at Starbucks in the morning, because I'm like, as this
day goes by, it's just gonna be less and less
all day.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
So like, I'll get this for later.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And maybe if I eat these three things, I won't
be hungry until five.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And I won't need to eat drink coffee from the
fucking stuff and come or come and go where over
the fuck.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
It's call like road life. It just makes me think
of that. We were at a hotel that was i'd
say mid range, yeah, but at least it had room service,
like all twenty four hours. Yeah, And I got a
bowl of mac and cheese and they sprinkled goldfish on
the top, and I was like, this is a new low.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
You literally reminded me that when we got home from
this tour, I said to Vince, let's start doing nice hotels, okay,
because he was booking all the hotels, you know, and
I'm like, I'm we were being frugal because we didn't
have the money. And yes, I was like, you know what,
if we're gonna do this, we're gonna stay at four
stars and up okay, plea, Yes.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Well, you know what that reminds me of. Do you
remember that hotel? And we've talked about it several times,
but that hotel in wherever we were, Palm Beach or Miami.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Somewhere thinking of the Miami, Yes, And it.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Literally smelled like we were inside of a pool, Like
it smelled like chlorine the entire hotel. I felt like
that was one of the other breaking moments of like
no more convenience hotels, no more mid range hotels, Like
we have to be able to go somewhere and rejuvenate.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right, it has to feel like a treat to get
back to the room.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
That's really key exactly because it's enough work. Every other
part of it is work.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
It is, and that has become like one of the
things I look forward to in tour from then and
now is like the nice hotels have nice fucking restaurants,
So like, yes, that's like one of the things that
keeps me going is like making a reservation at the
hotels restaurant and looking at their fucking room service menu
and looking at the amenities and do they have like

(29:56):
the last hotel we just stayed at had a infrared
light sauna in the gym. Did you go into it. Yeah,
I fucking went into it. It was a great sauna,
like those are. That's the fucking top tier of like
like wellness in my mind. Yes, that's great. Yeah, I
totally went in it in my like underwear. But don't
tell anyone. I'm going to have to call the hotel

(30:17):
on you. I'm sorry, I'm going to have to retroactively
report you.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So Belle Gunnis's personal ad sign off as Triflers Need
Not Apply. It's very famous, stuck with a lot of us.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So much so that we made it into merch way
back in old twenty sevent p And.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Of course everybody's been asking for a re release of
that merch, so we are bringing it back from October
twenty ninth through November fourth. You can pre order the
Triflers Need Not Apply design on a Lady's boxy tea,
a unisex t or a hat.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
So pre order yours well, you can at exactly rightstore
dot com. Should we get into the show, and I
guess we answer a bunch of questions at listeners right
in that Steven so funny. I love it. Yeah, let's
do it.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Let's get into the Q and A episode.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Hey, let's get questions asked at us. Okay, that was
our new idea of questions. My it's a.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Q and A episode. Everybody get ready? Did you make
any kind of keyboard music for the Q?

Speaker 3 (31:21):
And I got two days?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yes? Can you do you think you lay in like
ready keyboard exciting music?

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I just saw a guy Branham, so I'm thinking about,
you know, talk show, game show. So I got a yes.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, let's pause right here for Steven to put his
his music in Q and A music. Oh my god, Stephen,
that was amazing. It's all teed up now. Just the
baby screaming, just the Jeopardy theme that's really good with

(31:58):
a baby screaming over it.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
That's perfect. There.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
So here's some stats. Four hundred emails in three point
five days.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
And yeah, that's the only stat I guess.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
The other stat is that the only status that words.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
So the first question I thought would be the most
interesting is who thought of the name my favorite murder?
And what were the this? Oh, Jessica asked this? And
what were the other name alternatives?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Oh? Never any other alternatives.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It came out real fast from how I remember it, Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I was I believe we were on the phone. No,
we were. I thought we were at cafe one on
one in a booth.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Well that's very possible, you mean adur like that four
hour one.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Of our I think it was the one where I
finally was like can we make this a podcast? And
I was like meet me here, we're doing this, okay,
and then we we like slowly came up with the idea.
Not slowly, I think it was like pretty rapid.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
It was pretty fast.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
And then I think I went to Pe and came
back and you were like what about this? Yeah, and
then I was like yes, and that was it. Yeah,
there was never any I remember the notebook I brought
and I recently went to find the page of like
notes I took on like what we could do, and
there wasn't any because it was just like, okay, let's
do that. Yes.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I just remember you came out with the it was
like it was your idea to do it, and then
it was you brought the hometown murder idea. So it
was almost like it just went. It was like watching
something lay out in front of you where you're just like, oh, yeah, this.
I remember I remember pitching that, but I for some
reason I remember being on the phone, but then I

(33:41):
also remember polutely.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Could have been. I mean, who knew.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I really I would never argue it, but I do
remember that night going home, and because I was, I
think I said verbally to you, what if we'd had
like a kind of a dark true detective style theme?
And then I went home just to I just sat
in my TV room and did what is now the
actual theme one one take, But it was a one
take kind of example. It was supposed to be an example.

(34:05):
That's why the sound is so bad on it.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
I wonder if we still have the text. I still
have the I still have the recording you sent me
because it's in all the texts on your iPhone. But
I just want it's got to be in there somewhere
of like, how's a song? And I think I was like, great,
let's do it. I think you recorded it after we
recorded our first episode.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yes, that's right, because the first one didn't have anything right.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I don't know. I think the first one we just
needed to put it. Oh we put it opening? Yeah,
all right?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Is this interesting?

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I don't know, are you interested? I'm interested. I guess
this is fun.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
And do you know what I love talking about ourselves totally.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
You know what this podcast is talking about ourselves, also
talking about other stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, if you switch bodies freaky this is from Melissa. Yeah,
if you switched bodies freaky freaky Friday stuff for one day,
what would you do as the other person?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I would touch my big boobs. I'm not kidding. I'm sorry,
I'm touching boobs. I just immediately it was like, I'd
have big boobs.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I would start off with your most insane outfit, like,
were yours your most extreme vintage dress?

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I know which one.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It is a pre breakfast and I would change my
clothes twenty five times that that day.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Because I have so many clothes.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Because you have so many outfits and you have so
many combinations. And George is this thing I call I
have one shirt. I call it my meeting shirt. And
every time we George and I have a meeting together,
I show up in the same shirt.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
George have a lot of meetings lately too, so it's
kind of been like it's pretty hilarious, and I'm like,
I am like, what am I going to?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Way?

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (35:40):
And I'm like, should I leave now? I'm already fifteen
minutes late. But then Georgia rolls up in clothes that
I'm like, I remember people wearing that in nineteen eighty two,
Like these outfits that are so rad and perfect. Yeah,
I would do outfits.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Shopping addiction, it's a problem. No, But I did show
up to therapy today and like my favorite like sweater,
and my therapist almost started crying because she was like,
I had that when I was in elementary school.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
You have so many clothes that I had now elementary school.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
It's hilarious. That means watch me. I love dressing. I
love outfits. This is what happens when all you have
is hand me down. Is when you're a kid from
like boys like your older cousin boy cousins, you become
a shopaholic and then just have all the clothes.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, and the cute dist dresses.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Thank you. I touch my boobs still. Oh you know
what I would do. I would have cleavage that I'd
learned what it was like for someone to talk at
my boobs, you know how like girls. I was like,
he just stared right at my boos, and he's that's
never happened to me.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I think when you have big boobs, well it just
depends on the kind of person you are. But I've
been the person that's been like maybe I know you know,
these are not the dyers you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I'm sorry to objectify you. No, it's like I'm not.
I'm sorry if I make you uncomfortable. I'm just so
had like most basically a my entire life, I've.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Always wanted to be the kind of girl that like, oh,
it's a special party, I'm going to put on I'm
going to get put a push up ron and put
on like this dress, but my boobs Like in that
scenario it looks rated X.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's like it.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Looks it looks it looks like it's not for public consumption.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
I also have like a seminus around showing too much skin,
where it's like, why do I have to do this
in society? Like I get I definitely want I'll try
to wear a low cut shirt. I get sad. Yeah
you know what I mean, Like you feel like you
feel like you have to Yeah, Like I feel objectified,
like I'm doing to you right now. Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
It's fun when your friend does it, though, okay it is.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's a compliment.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
So this is a question that we got from a
lot of people. Oh, but I had a question about
it because isn't the first episode technically your favorite murders?
John Benet and the Sacramento is Easteria rapist.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Are are those technically your my favorite murders?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
We can ask that a lot when it's like, what
is your favorite murder? I just don't think there's an answer.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
No.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
So then my question is has that changed since you've
started doing this podcast? Has like has like your what
you would consider your favorites? Has it changed it all
since you started?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I would say it has changed because to me, it's this,
it's the murder story. The best thing that lays out
as a story is become my favorite because when it's
like a person that's say, it's just like they killed
a bunch of people in one day at the end,
like it's hard to make that have legs or be

(38:36):
you know, like you have to do a bunch of
other research to pull that out in any way.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Like there's a lot of murders people are like, I
wish you would do this that we just can't because
there's not it's just this sad short story of knowing
there's no conclusion.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
To it, or like I've we've talked about this a
couple of times, and there's been a couple of people
that tweeted. But the Georgia Moses story, who is the
other little twelve year old girl who was murdered in
my hometown who is black, and so she was basically
the like the uh, it's the opposite of poly class
where poly class. It was a national news story and
nobody's ever heard of Georgia Moses. And when I went

(39:09):
I told people I would do that story. And when
I went to research it, every single part of it
is so depressing.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
She was so.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Abandoned and not taken care of and the you know,
not supported in any way, and no one helped her.
No adults in her life seemed to help her. She
was such a it's just the saddest story that like,
I you know, it's that kind of thing where then
I just I kind of avoid it because it's like,
how do I present this in a way that doesn't

(39:38):
want to make you just cry at the end.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, I think the word favorite is so I just
I love I love the stories and the mysteries and
the horrific circumstances behind it in a way that means
I fucking hate it so much that it makes me angry. Yeah,
so that's what you. I mean, it's just so hard
to be Like, Jean Benet is my favorite. John Binney

(40:00):
is really interesting to me because I think that it's
so diabolical and insane, and then I just I don't know,
there's no.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
There's too many categories, I think to really pick one.
And to also, I've answered that question differently every time wee.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Ben asked of me too, just then we get asked like,
what was your first one that you were interested in?
For me, it changes all the time, where like I'll
remember a new one and be like, oh, yeah, I
love that.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
I just remember this morning that when I was like thirteen,
Jane's Addiction was my favorite band in the world, and
I just remembered they had a song called Ted just
admitted that was about Ted Bundy, which made me look,
who the fuck is Ted Bundy and made me look
into it, And that is just like you just what
was your first What was? I don't know what's your favorite?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, it's hard to remember those. Like everybody has a
million defining moments or a million like it. I mean,
like mine isn't even really a murder. I just remember
how excited I got when I went to check out
the Amityville Horror Book and my grammar school library and
sister Rita Rose, who was the oldest nun in the
game in the world stilling a habit and she had

(41:01):
like gnarled old fingers. She looked like a character from
a Stephen King novel.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
And I went to check that book out and she
was so angry at me, but I was like, it's
in the school library, like it's not my fault. And
I also checked it out multiple times, but that was like,
oh god, that school right now.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
And found that book in Karen Kilgarrett's Little Someone please
go do that.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
But I mean, you know, being then it's my birthday.
We'll just say it was fucking over thirty years ago.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Isn't that insane? It was so long ago that it's
still there. They don't rip those card catalog Dewey decimal
shit out of the books. I wonder that's eating it.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I can get my friend Katie to go look because
she works there.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Katie, do it, go do it? What was I'm sorry,
what was the question?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I think it just done that was great, great, it
was great.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Mary.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Oh sorry, Mary Eki, I don't Mary with e key
e k E asked, what's the worst, the best, worst
reaction that you've gotten from somebody who doesn't share your
love of true crime?

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Well, I mean there are those social media messages we
get where it's like women of Satan, I'll kill you
or things like that that we just immediately delete and
report and don't pay attention to.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
You know, what I did, which I know is a mistake,
but it ended up making me feel really good. Is
I read the comments on a thing we were in.
We were on the Washington Post. We had an interview
and which was so incredible on this past weekend, and
it was amazing and it's like legit. And my mom went,
who pooh exclamation mark and I told her about it

(42:39):
and there I started reading the comments and there were
all these people of like how dare they this and that,
and every single one was commented on by a fucking
murder you now, very eloquently telling them why they were
incorrect and why it was actually good and not in
a dick way. And it was just like, we don't need,
we don't need to respond to those things. Because everyone's

(43:01):
everyone's are there are bullies for us? Right?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
And also the people that that stance of, like the
how dare you stance? Do you write to Keith Morrison
and say how dare you for reporting the murders that
you do? And in a salacious way on twenty twenty
or whatever?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Like, it's are you bringing this to other people's doors?
I bet they're not?

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I bet they are. Keith call us let us snap?
Can you come hang out with us? You're the only
one that could answer that question.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Scotty asks how much money would you actually be paid
to hitchhike across the country?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Is that Scotty Landis?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
I bet it? I think it was.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
No.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Scotty's like, because I want to take you on a
hitchhiking and I want to. He's a producer. He's like,
that's my new show, hitch.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Hitchhiking Show where it shows real time how killed we guess.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
And Scotty doesn't intervene when we're actually getting killed. He
just keeps smiling, like, right, this is going to be
a hit TV show.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I would I don't need money? Worked? Are we together?
I don't need money?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I think you can set the terms of it. Oh, no,
you have to be alone and it has to be
and tonight to leave tonight.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
We leave tonight and we have to do it alone.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
No, no, So then but the.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Well, the monetary answer then would be I would minimum
six million dollars.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I was gonna say a million. Kind I'm cheap, I'm
a cheap kill. Yeah, you got to get that money
up there. What if Karen, you had to say you
had to accept every ride that stopped, like you couldn't
be like no pass.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Well, then money would matter because I would definitely be dead,
I mean right, like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
What. But also, I don't think people pick up hitchhikers anymore. No,
I think.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Well, but if you're a girl, I think it's definitely true.
But if you're murderable, that's different. I mean I think
me and my big tits are pretty murderable, and I
would definitely.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Be wearing a V neck T shirt. Six million, get
six million for care and a million for me because
I make cups I'm cheaper.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Also, I just hate the idea of having to get
into other people's cars, like you know, when you get
like like it's festivals, you get.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Picked up by some kid.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
It's his car and he's got weird shit hanging from
the rear view mirror and stuff like that. It's it's
not like that's a dream, even when they don't want
to kill you, much less than when you're also feeling
like you're in danger.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I had an uber the other day that it smelled
like he had put his infected feet on every surface
of the uber on purpose. Did I already tell you this?

Speaker 2 (45:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
On purpose that he had like singing as a fucking
nursery rhyme, touched every anyways so well.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
But worse than that for me was why it kind
of stopped taking ubers after a while. Is because the
cologne or whatever it was happening where they were using
either air freshener or it was cologne. But I would
roll the windows on it be like the middle of
the night. They'd be like, well are you are you hot?
What's do you need me to try on the air condition?
Just be like I can't breathe stop it. You and
your axe body spray are bumming me out.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
I don't it's too much.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
It's a lot, okay, did we answer? Thanks Scotty Landis
for playing.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Ball since starting My Favorite Murder? Has anyone who's oh,
this is from Deborah. I keep forgetting it with the
names whatever I'm getting since starting My Favorite Murder? Has
anyone who has been in your life for a long
time told you a story that you never would have
known if it wasn't for the podcast?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Everyone? For sure? Yeah, everyone, And or they mentioned it
and now they tell you more details, or they remember
another one and they're like, oh, yeah, yes, definitely, that's
definitely happened, and it's not weird when you ask them
for more details.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Right, Well, the best example is my cousin. My cousin's
texting me on was it Thanksgiving or Christmas to tell
me that my cousin, Marty, who was now a retired
San Francisco policeman, was there and found the fingerprint that
broke the nightstalker case, and like they put it together
over there because my cousins.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Listen, why would they ever tell you that?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yes? And he was like I was yelling at him
because I was like, how could you not? He was like,
I don't think anybody ever wants.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
To talk about you bring that up with your random cousins. Yeah,
you see once every year, hey know, what I did
I have I just remember I had save it. The
other day, like two weekends ago, I was with my
family having lunch and because of the you know, we were
talking about the podcast, and my uncle, who I see
once every three years or something, was like, oh, yeah,

(47:20):
I rented out my apartment to a mass murderer. And
I was like, I'm sorry, like, and he and I
don't you know, he's we don't really connect. And then
we went and I was like, tell me everything. And
I have it on my phone recorded. Do you remember
the name of my cut of my uncle? No? Yes,

(47:40):
I have it recorded, and I feel like I should
save it.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, yeah, say it. It's it's it sounds amazing.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
You know this seren Gas in Japan? Yes, he was
in that cult. No, well, he rented it to that guy.
He rented it to the head of that cult. No, yep,
the guy that Wyoh. Okay, should I just tell you
or should I work? He's such a funny guy. I
think I should save it and let him tell you. Okay, good, Yeah,

(48:04):
we'll do that. Okay. So yes, the answer is yes.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Amanda asks would you ever have a as a pen
pal with somebody in prison?

Speaker 1 (48:15):
No? No, nope, was that not what we're interested in?

Speaker 3 (48:20):
No thanks, No, Amber asks, what are some movies that
you watched as a kid that frightened you? But you're
still nostalgic about Poultergeist?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh, pulter Geist the best rach Noophobia? Oh if.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Poor Michael, I for a while was a babysitter, like
when I was super broken. It was right after I
started having seizure, so I couldn't drive and I kind
of couldn't do anything. In my friend Pat Buckle's God
bless her soul, she was like, come and babysit the
kids and I'll pay you whatever. She took my car,
so it was like she was paying me to be
the babysitter and then she got to use my car.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Cool. It was perfect.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
But anyway, Michael at the time, who's now like in
his early twenties, but he was like five at the time,
and we were hanging out one night in a Rachnophobia
came on. I was like, do you want to watch this?
He's like yeah. He still had like a little boy accent,
like this is scary like that. It scared the shit
out of him and Pat called me later. It's like, really,

(49:16):
a rachnophobia, and I was like, oh my god, I'm
so sorry, Like I had to relearn how to be
a normal person with children because I was like, oh, yeah,
you're right, that's a spider's coming out of a shower head.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I didn't take a shower as a kid for years,
no more. What I still don't take shower? Oh baby powder.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
What were here of movies as a kid? I mean
the Exorcist we saw, I mean mine or older, but
we would always see those movies that got rerun on
the night like standard TV. So like the Trilogy of Terror.
It's not a movie, but it was a TV show
called The Trilogy of Terror. And anybody that was little

(49:57):
in the seventies can tell you that it was the
scariest fuck thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
And we watched it.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
It was me and my sister, We were probably like
seven and nine. Then my cousin Stevie was like thirteen,
and then hit. Our older cousins were like in there, fifteen,
sixteen whatever. We all watched it together with all the
parents were.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Out to dinner.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
And it's the one where it has a little The
last one is this little doll, and I believe it's
Karen Black is the person who owns the doll, and
it's like someone gave it to her from a you know,
they brought it back from some different country. And she
gets up to take a shower and the doll that's
like this doll is sitting there and it has a
thing around its, a necklace that says, never take this off.

(50:38):
And then the necklace drops off and the doll comes
to life and it has a little knife and it
just tries to kill her, and it's it freaked us
all out so bad that like that night, we spent
the night at my aunt Jean's and my cousin Stevie
got up in the middle of the night screaming like
it was a whole event in our family.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I mean, well, we don't even need mo we need
all the news. Yeah, was like horrifying, and they were
like kids, gather around and look at all these horrifics.
We're check this ship, check the shit out. I was
just watching Guns Held Mysteries the other night and it's
like this song, the theme song makes me want to cry.

(51:18):
And then what was the one that was like Twilight
Zone but it was newer. It was called what was
it Stephen Unix Steven Amazing Story. Yes, yes, they had
some really fucking skill and like all the ghost shit
scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I think on Amazing Were Amazing Stories based on true stories?
Or were they?

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Was it just I think the show because I feel
like that was the one.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
It was either the reboot of Twilight Zone or it
was Amazing Stories where there was a woman. A man
picks his wife up after she has been attacked. He
picks her up from the hospital, remember that, And as
they're driving home, she goes, that's the man and she
freaks out. He gets out, kills me, He gets back
in and then she does it. She just keeps doing
it the whole ride home.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Suddenly he realizes he killed the wrong Yep, man, is
that a I think that's a Twilight Zone.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
But it was a new one. Oh oh like it
was modern. Yeah, it wasn't the old It was creazy.
You know who will know was Joe DeRosa. He was
a Twilight Zone expert, so you know, so Joe DeRosa.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
They he and Pat while she have a podcast that
we've talked about called Your What We'll see You and
He'll See You and how. And I've met Joe DeRosa's
mom and she's she's got this accent, like Jerseyish accent.
She's like, well, when I was I would make Joe
at six years old watch these horrooms. She's obsessed with
horror movies. And she was just talking about how she'd
make Joe. I didn't want to watch them alone. So

(52:38):
did you make your five and six year old kid
watch them with you? And it's like, oh, I get
your I get Joe so much better now because he
had to watch had to watch these movies with his mommy. Joe, Okay, sorry,
not sorry? Why am I? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (52:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Never? Sorry?

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Julia asks what would your what your dream job in
the true crime field? B like, if you could be
in the true crime like.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
M I guess hmmm. Going through of m crime scene analyst?
Is that a thing? Can I go? I think, people, Yes,
that's all I want.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Crime scene analyst is sounds almost definitely like a real thing.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
I want to go to the estate sale of someone
who got killed with the intent of finding out why
they got killed. You want to be a detective? Thank you?
Oh my god. I don't want to be a detective. You
want to be a detective. Yeah, like a straight up
I don't like you know, Yes, I don't need a
fancy fucking office title money. I'm trying to think.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I feel like I would want to do something in
the lab where they test things, where people are waiting
to see what the thing is really. Yeah. Like I
like the idea of being at ground zero when you
find out this is definitely his blood, it's not his
blood one of those things that's cool.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I don't that's that seems clean. And I want to
get disgusting.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Right, I want to get disgusting, except for I want
it to be like fictionally disgusting, where it's interesting disgusting
as opposed to regular bummer disgusting.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
I imagine the first time I see the real really
what it is, I would change my mind. But I
did find out that an ex boyfriend was worked at
it Morgue and would pick up the bodies. Yeah, and
I was fucking pissed that he got to do that
after breaking my heart, that he got to then be

(54:51):
something fucking cool and I didn't.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, did he appreciate it? Did he know that it
was I think he did. Yeah. Mount Myra also worked
it for a funeral home.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
He did.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I listened to his I think he was on crop
feast and he told the story was I mean, amazing stories,
But I feel like I don't even know enough about
any of them. Anyone know what my favorite thing would be.
But I think the person who gets to call the
lead detective to say we got him, sunny or whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I want to be a podcast, a true crime podcaster.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Oh, I don't think you're gonna I don't think that's
gonna work.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
That's not a job.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
So I've been told, is it getting harder to find
stories for the podcast?

Speaker 1 (55:38):
No, not in the least. Oh my god, there's we
have too many. I have too many that I'm excited about. Yeah.
The hard thing is actually for me finding them for
live shows.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Suddenly, the work, the work of putting it together in
a cohesive, accurate, condensed way. It's just like that that's
going to please people, and having that consciousness of it
and all that.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I think it's just the self consciousness our live shows,
of all of it.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Oh, is that's what's hard for me?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, it's very hard. It's hard, But for me it's
hard but rewarding and I enjoy it for our for
the podcast. But live shows is hard because you have
you want to do it somewhere near the town you're
doing it, at least I want. And then I've realized
that there's certain topics that you should I shouldn't be
covering in the live shows. So you don't want to
do a bunch of child murders because then you get

(56:29):
silence and that makes me self conscious and weird. So
that part is hard for me. So when I do
find one, I get really excited, but I don't have
mine for this weekend and it's Tuesday, and we have
so much time because it's so hard. Yeah, but now
our tour manager is my husband, and he's like, are
you done? Do you need to do it? Georgia. No,

(56:50):
we're not going out to do it. We simply don't
have to deal with that. Inspired from being my husband
because Sill be the tour manager, that's right.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Oh and that was from Sarah. Thanks Sarah, Sarah. And
then Ali asks she's been dying to know after MINNISO
twenty five, did you two go to Barnes and Noble
and get mechanical pencils in a day planner?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
We did?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
We sure did? We I couldn't wait and so I
went and got a day planner by myself.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Right then we met.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Up at Barnes and Noble to look to to and
then Georgie was like, well, let's go look at day planners.
And then I was like, oh, I God want to
ren But.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
But when we had sushi, then we ate a bunch
of sushi.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Uh, and we just had a good old time at
the Americana. Yeah, that's it, Glendale's Grove. What's up, Madewell?
But also sorry Madewell. But then the J crew that's
across from the maidwell at the Grove is starting to
feel very competitive because I went into the maidwell at
the grove. Sorry, this is I mean, this is asshole corner.

(57:56):
But I went into the maidwell at the Grove and
the girl gave me a discount and we had a
nice chat. And then I got a tweet later that
day that was like we like you better at the
J cru.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Cross the street.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
It was really hilarious.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Can I do ask who the corner? Real quick? And
last night when I was at the fucking mecca of
Hipsterville of the Trader Joe's in Silverley, and one of
the Trader Joe's workers who was like, I feel like
they were on another plane of like coolness somehow. Maybe
it's because I the London application for Trader Joe's and
they never hired me because I can't math. So it's like, yeah, yeah,

(58:30):
you think you're better than me. But she was stalking
salads and she turns to me and just goes, you
know that's the thing. And I was just I almost
started crying, and I think I think I overdid it
because she was just like great and like walked away,
almost to cry, and she's like, this isn't what I
wanted from telling her this.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yes, yeah, yeah, we have nice fans.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Yeah, no where to go?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Eve asks a stat I have heard slash scene slash
right over the years is that there are approximately eighty
seven actives here killers in the US right now. Do
you think this is accurate? Too high? Too low?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
I just read an article that said there were forty.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I know I've seen lower like thirty to forty, but
I mean that's too many. Also, they don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
It's all conjecture, so it's like we think it's this.
But then when the Killing Field series was on and
made it seem like there were five hundred active serial killers.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
I mean, it was like, there's tons. A number. I'm
more interested in is how many clandestine graves are there?
Like right now, carrying, you're sitting in front of a
tapestry of a beautiful forest, and it's like whenever. And
when we were driving, we were on a road trip
to a locate to do a live show, and I
was staring at the window and looking at the fields,
and all I could think of was how many dead

(59:40):
bodies are buried out there? Yep, because there's got to
be so many so serial killers. I don't know, yeah,
but dead bodies, that's what you want to know.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting There's a really good I
believe it's in the Sandman series by Neil Gaiman. But
if I'm wrong, men are people going to be mad
at me. There was one of the comic books and
the whole thing was about how all the serial killers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Were meeting up at a motel for the did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
You read that one? For them for the serial killer
convention that they were having.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
That wasn't American Gods? Was it? No? Oh? That was
all the Gods.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yes, it's called American New fucking Yes, yes, similar feel
But I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
It was Oh, that's Sandman interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
And it was I think about that all the time,
where like, do they know each other but they hate
each other? Yeah, I mean yeah, because they want to
be the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I bet they're like, they're not doing it right. Yeah,
wonder wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Jordan asks, So my husband got me this bluetooth whistle
thing that should I blow it a text with help
and my GPS location is sent to three of my contacts.
It keeps updating with my GPS until I check in
and verify. I'm fine. My question is what do you
think about this kind of technology? Would you guys carry one?
And do you think it'll be common in the future?

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
What if it just picked whatever? It was like a
roulette of whatever contacts and it was like your ex
boyfriend and some guy you met.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Her, someone that you used to work with that you
do not talk to anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I'm sorry, what help?

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
The first thing I thought of, like, I love the
idea of that, but if in my hands, like this
weekend I was at the Bridgetown Comedy Festival is super fun. Great.
I must have lost my glasses five times, and a
couple of the times they were in my pocket and
I was just like, in the second I thought they
were gone, I was just freaking out and like I
left them at the last place, I would start walking

(01:01:28):
back to places the whole nine yards. But so that
being said, what I mean is I have that thing
of like I'm going to be sending help to people
never met it after a while, just like the fable.
Everyone's like it's just her thing where she touches it
all the time, But actually I'm at the bottom of
a well, you know it's going to backfire eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Well no, eventually after three days of have you heard
from Karen?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Yeah, But the way I am of like flaking on
people in late it's going to be like three months
later you're like, should we check on Karen? She might
be mad at me or whatever. It just like, never
come over.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I almost got you for your birthday this like it
was this like journal notebook and it just said on
the front, uh, excuses for why I can't go out,
but I didn't. So true. I mean, dude, I mean
that too. I mean I was like, do I have
a stomach ailment? Like this weekend was great because I
was trying to do a fake not a real fast

(01:02:25):
and I was like, I can just tell everyone that
I can't go out and they'll get it because we're
in La.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Yes, that's right, that's a classic.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
And then I had a pretzel. That pretzel looks so good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Georgia texted me the pretzel, the picture of the pretzel
that was breaking her fast, and I wanted to reach
through the phone and grab it away from her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
The York and Highland Park And as I was walking
back to my car where Vince and I were walking
across the crosswalk and this couple and one of them
is like a model, like one of the most beautiful women,
and she said Hi Georgia, and I was like, I
absolutely don't know anyone who looks like that. And I
said Hi, like I not high, I said hi. But

(01:03:00):
then she tweeted at me and was like, I said
hi to you. I'm a fan of the podcast. And
I was like, I know, because I would have known
that I know a model. Oh it's my model friend, Gloria,
a model friend.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Yes, I also did. I also the first thing I
said when I got here was like, that pretzel looks amazing.
It will I just was like, like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
So it was so big, it had it it looked
like a cartoon pretzel.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yes, that's right. York and Highland Park shout out, yeah,
well done on your pretzel game.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Alyssa asks, do you think you guys could get away
with murder?

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
No, No, I don't think. No, I would leave my
glasses there. Leopolden Lobe shouting for real, I would confess.
I think I just couldn't carry that around with no.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
No, no, that's even considering it makes me feel guilty, like
it's everything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
It is so terrible. I just I can't you know,
I wouldn't get away with it because I don't don't think,
because in my mind I would think I couldn't get
away with it, So I would just go and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Say and I just couldn't do it. There's no perfect crime.
You can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
And DNA, there's no I mean, there's no thing that
doesn't tie you back. Even poison. It's like, well they
can trace why where people bought this poison.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yes, there's no way, there's no way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Also, don't kill people, stop it, don't get life insurance balls,
stop it. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Charlotte asks, if you had a chance to go back
and be involved in an investigation of any serial killer
or unsolved case? Which one would it be? And why?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Like, can we listen? I know you didn't write this
even but I want some clarity, Like from the beginning,
let's say, ooh, don't look at that paper. Tell Stephen
you're answering this from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I'm going to say, yeah, you're hit the ground running.
You're like first call well, Jean.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Benet, I'd say Zodiac. I just recently rewined and I
talked about it, but rewatched that movie at Santa Family.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
It's such a good movie. It's making a new serial
killer movie right now. Yeap? What is it? Is it
the one about the British guy? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Someone told me about it and I got so excited.
I think I wrote it in my calendar.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I think my friend Carlos, who like, we're we've been
friends for a long time, but as soon as I
started this he found out about this podcast. He just
sends me shit all the time about like Murder the
Best Great and he sent me the trailer. I haven't
seen it, but we watched it together, didn't we? Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I bet we did. Okay, so you're probably the person
I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
When I say someone told me about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Oh great, I mean our worlds are just combining.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I think we saw each other every day last week.
We really did, like, not even just as like. And
I was probably wearing a new Ventuce dress and every
single one, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
I was wearing my same meeting shirt everying.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Okay, that's a great one. Yeah, that's that's a hard
one because I feel like John Bay is easy, it's obvious,
but Zodiac is clues and shit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Oh sorry, I met Zodiac with Mark Ruffalo. I just
would like to be around him doing some very honorable
and noble police work in the seventies of San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Let's see. I think we're winding down more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
I love talking about myself.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Uh, if you were an inmate on death row, Julia asks,
this is the same Julia's right is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
She can ask that chicken chicken? I knew that was.
I fucking love Pack's photos. I do too. Oh man,
there was a girl, the girl who got so drunk
at one of our shows that she vomited and crawled.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Out and crawled out, fucking who was lovely? Just fists
in the air to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Girl turned out to be a lovely girl. Had done
a uh dinner party of last meals, and I think
she like bought fourteen buckets of KFC, you know, like
did the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, serving that stuff up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
I mean, what would you do? Because I could go
eat KFC right now if I want to see, I'd
fucking hate myself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
But sorry, are you saying kit you would do just
full only no chicken, Oh gosh no?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Or a full.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
KFC like buffet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Yeah, okay, which remember when we were driving to Philadelphia
and they had a KFC buffet restaurant. Yes, that's right. Anyways,
what would you what?

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Let's see, I mean, I guess it would. I would
have to do my what I call my quote unquote
special occasion food, So I eat constantly pretending that it's
my birthday all the time, which is like mac and cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
From where it has to be a place 's just
like a kind is there? Like I guess, like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Shit, I'm trying to think of, like where's a plate
like a soul food restaurant mac and cheese, probably, I guess,
like us because fried chicken soul food would like those
baked beans, that kind of stuff. But also I was
going to say mac and cheese, one of those soft
pretzels with the cheese dip something like that. Now my

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mouth's just watering, and I know I'm hungry. I'm glad
this is ending.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
What was I oh, uh waffle chicken waffles? Well, oh,
I was gonna say. We have a little road trip
this weekend on our tour. And there is a white Castle, yes,
as far as Vince is concerned or says. And I've
never been to an actual white Castle restaurant. I need
them frozen so many drunk times, and I'm really excited

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to go to a real hot out of the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
We neither of us as California girls, have ever had
that experience ever of white Castle out of the bag.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Hoping there's a waffle house, but I'm not sure if
there is. But either way, we're going to get our
white Castle. We're getting our White Castle's exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Lauren asks, just curious to know what your thoughts are
on making a murderer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
I loved it. I watched it. I think that was
near the beginning of us of this podcast because I
watched it. I started it at seven o'clock at night
and stayed up all night and watched it through the
night and into the next morning.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
And then I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
Remember telling you about it after I did that, because
I just couldn't stop watching it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It was It was an incredible, incredible show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yeah, with people who seemed like they were from Central
Casting of either inept or totally corrupt politician types.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
It was amazing. And then I was I went to
and you were supposed to come to the Strand and
Storm and Dring. What was it Strand and Dean. Yeah,
like they had a Q and A or like a
talkie times. Yes, it was great. They're fucking badass motherfuckers. Yeah,
it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
This question comes from City Life office.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Uh oh oh, yours here they're serving us with our
papers through Stephen. You're under arrest. It's a.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
City Life office asks what does a day in the
life of Karen and Georgia look like?

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Tell me your you want to tell me your day
to day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
We get up out of our bunk beds. Georgie slips
into a vine in dress, meeting house dressed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Karen loses her fucking mind because I'm in house panic,
even though it's he in the morning. I woke up
late and went to therapy. Yeah, hi, I screamed at
a chair for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Interesting in a role playing situation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah, how to feel hard. It was really hard because
it felt stupid, or it was hard emotionally. It felt stupid,
but it was really hard emotionally. And I fucking bald,
which I don't do in therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Yeah, you got to get that stuff out.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
It felt good. I have a ton of anger. I'm
just keeping inside of me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Hello, and welcome to my world.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Have you ever done that? I never known.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I don't keep it inside me, no, because I don't
have a problem expressing anger or crying at all. I'm
right there on the edge at all times of any
emotion that you could name, willing to serve it up
with just a little bit of glaze on the top.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Because I get ready for screaming Georgia, because she is
that your new faith.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
I'll back you up, girl, Do you guys scream it out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
My therapist was so happy, like I could see she
was on the edge of her comfy sofa chair. Yeah,
and she was like honest, like cheering, and I was like, oh,
I'm doing this right. Finally, after two and a half
years of therapy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
She broke you open.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
She broke me up. Well, and just so you had
a then you got your stuff all over there, all
over that chair.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I was raised in a household of yellers and confronters always,
so to me it's not only I mean, I get
upset when I know I when I know I'm going
to upset other people, or when other people are upset,
which then makes me need to get mad so that
you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Get that out of your feelings. But I still get
to do my thing preemptively, like shielding yourself from what's
about not even shielding yourself, just like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
It's like parental for it, oh, recoil maybe whatever. It
just all becomes a thing. But like my dad just
saying that because in our family, my dad would answer
the phone yelling, so that when people would be like
is Karen there, I'd be like, hold on a second,
and then I would pick up the phone, and almost
like eight out of ten times, my friends would go

(01:12:31):
are you in trouble?

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
And I'd be like, no, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Because the volume and the like emotion level in our
house was always at eight. So you must have a
lot of tension, yo, Yes, I have more than my
fair share of attention. And also that kind of like
being when you're criticized all the time or like teased
all the time, then you have a sensitivity that doesn't

(01:12:54):
make sense. It'll come out and it doesn't make sense
to people when it's because it's kind of like a
lifelong raw nerve that if it's like a very random one,
and then if you touch it, good night.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Good night, a fucking mosquito thing and there's malaria, and
what the fuck you get the malaria and the mosquito
catches on fire? It's exciting mine? Is that a timid nous?
So I say, you don't get a fucking see my anger,
I'm gonna put it inside me and get gas drone

(01:13:27):
cast smell issues because of my anger. Who's inside of me? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Yeah, I think that's very common with women. Yeah, because
it's not certainly not feminine, considered typically feminine, or in
any way attractive to be.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
When I got home from therapy, I had to say
to Vince, is it okay that I'm mad at you,
like over this thing? Yeah? Like I couldn't even be
mad at him. I had to make sure it was okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Well, it's very scary.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
There's a great book called The Dance of anger not
to be totally.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Weirdy, No, we need a this is a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Well, this is the book I read, and it's because
it's this amazing breakdown of how people who are angry
or use anger what they're actually doing, and because it's
very intimidating and it's very shocking a lot of times
and if you if you do it correctly, you can
really control people with your emotions to a point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Well bonded that for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Yeah, so you kind of it's just like that would
happen in my house. It is like if you had
a complaint, people would just yell you down with their
bigger complaint. Or if you were angry, they were angry
or about something else. So it was just like you
could never really have the floor because that was a
very threatening thing to have a problem with, Like the system.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
It was like unjustified or your anger was compounded because
they wouldn't listen to it. Yes, it wasn't justify. Your
anger wasn't justified in someone else's eyes. Never.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
And also it was always I was the dramatic one.
So it's like, no matter what I was doing, I
was being over dramatic. Uh so, yeah, that's insanely frustrating.
What's Oh, it's called the dance of anger, and it's
basically like when angry people shut you down, like it's
it's the perfect way to get people to stop doing
whatever they're doing because you're intimidating them. But if you

(01:15:11):
can get through that and not be intimidated, you can
get that angry person actually break open, because there's you
paint yourself into a corner when you're like the angry
shower reactor and you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Ever get to learn and grow and all this and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
And actually like communicate what you really what the real
problem is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Well, you show me that too, where it's like when
I've gotten angry with you, it's like, what's what's really
going on? And I want to be like nothing, you
fucked up. And then it's like, oh, well, I'm tim
I feel sad and intimidated over this thing, and I'm
panicking and it's like, oh my god, it's really scary
to be vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
It's hard that worked, and it's easier to be angry
because that's the first it's just like the thing that
shoots up first. You go with that, maybe double down
on it, and then you're free and clear because everyone
backs away.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
But then for me it's going to car then at
that point to come back and be like, well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
No, yeah, you can't. There's no I mean talk about
like rigidity and like you really have to. Then it's
like it's like ninety stand up comedy where all we
did was get like that person sucks, that person sucks,
and then suddenly you're like, well then everyone's my enemy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Like yeah, doesn't make sense. It doesn't. Everyone's just trying
why do they suck? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
And also really because what you're saying is I suck.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yeah. Crying today was really helpful, and I'm really excited
to go in my closet and put a chair in
the corner and scream at it. I can't wait. That's
good to be great.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
That's you've got your like your elbows deep in the
good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
This is the first time she's been like here we go,
and I'm like, why have I been paying you for
the past two years and you're just gonna tell me
to scream it and fucking cry.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Because it takes. That's the thing about therapy, Like I
remember in like year seven with my therapist going ooh,
I feel like we just chipped something off, and she's like,
that's right. Like we're just chipping away a calcified wall
of bad ideas that we're pretty soon we're going to
get to a door, and then I'm gonna be too
scared to open that door.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
What was so funny to me is last week you
and I were having dinner at a place, and then
I was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna go to
what every other week with my therapist. I think I'm
good right now. And then later I was like, yeah,
my therapist said to me that next week we're gonna
get into the deep mom stuff. And you were like,
so you're gonna go see her every other week? Huh?
It was like so obvious. I was like, I can't

(01:17:24):
deal with that. I'm gonna go not see her anymore.
And that made me be like, maybe don't not go
see her every other weeking, maybe you really fucking need
to get into the shit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Sorry, I caught you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
I caught your king cock blocked me so hard. I'm
not seeing my therapist. Thank you, thank you. I'm welcome.
It's really great today.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
I'm glad. That makes me very happy to hear. Yeah,
that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
So those are that's basically how our days go. Yeah,
if that's not what we're doing, it's what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Therapy is life, man, really And.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Also what I told George at one point I can't remember,
we got into a fight about some dumb thing and
then after and we had.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Great talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
That's the thing I love the most is that we
always have the best talks. We get further along. It
makes me so happy, sure, and it makes me happy
to be friends with you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Thank you me too. But growing and learning we really are.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
And I told Georgia, I go right at this point,
I feel like I'm being paid to maintain a good
relationship with you. Like that's all we have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
That's what this podcast is is making sure that. But
if like nobody listens and it was just our therapists
feeding into like they were all the Twitter people and
they were all the like people buying tickets to the
shows and she's giving away for free, being like god,
they're learning so much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Finally, what great therapists. They're really dedicated to us totally,
it'd be amazing what we're to hope.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
You're gonna say that you're being paid to Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
No, just that joke of like that. That's and also
my therapist actually said that to me. She's like, if
you can make this relationship with Georgia work, you can
make any relationship work.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Which is of course, after you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Get a divorce, you become convinced that you just simply
can't do it right, and so why try and why uh?
Why like why go back to, you know, a ground
zero type situation and be like, oh, I guess I'll
do this again, it up again and be bad at eight.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Months or in five years, it'll fucking implode. Yeah, Nope,
it could actually work with the right temperament.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
And the it's like a resilience, equality of resilience and
equality of being willing to say I made a mistake.
Can we fix it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Yeah, you know what. We're all human, that's right. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
That was really beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Even kept putting the microphone when he thought it was over,
and then we just kept going, can I interrupt you guys?
Please stop keep this going? See it was like I wasn't.
Can you guys stop not recording?

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Got so many more questions should we and on that
and play Jessee is murder?

Speaker 5 (01:19:54):
Or is there a really good one that you want
to know, there's one good one to end with, okay, okay,
And then one note because as people were asking what
my favorite murder was, and it's Selena from episode thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Two, it's right my favorite because you remember it as
a child.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Yeah, it had it had that same kind of impact
when when people talk about that thing where you saw
on the TV.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Or and you grew up in a Mexican American family.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Exactly, yeah, and so you it's just something you talked
about all the time so well and so shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Yes, it's so I think about that one a lot too,
where it's just so unnecessary and so tragic that and
so surprising the way it happened. It wasn't a you know,
a male, rabid male fan. It was just this insanely
mentally ill woman and it's so unnecessary and sad.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, And at that point of the double tragedy or
the extended tragedy of that she was just about to
potentially cross over and kind of become this Mexican American star.
That was like suddenly, it's like these are here's another
kind of music that you can get into and listen
to and hear like she was just she was basically

(01:20:59):
on that train of everybody knowing her.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
A wonderful person.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Sorry, Stephen, So this is this question. I had to
print out the email for it because it's sort of
a hometown as well. The headline is, would you marry
a serial killer's son? Hello, Karen, Georgia, Stephen and fur
Babies love the podcast. You hold a special place in

(01:21:27):
my heart. I'm really curious to know what each of
you would do in this situation. A relative of mine
met the love of her life and after a whirlwind
of romance, he sat her down for a serious chat.
He said that he would love to have a future
with her, but before they went any further, she needed
to know that his father was in jail for killing
and dismembering a large number of sex workers. Oh no,
my relative decided to stay with her man, and they

(01:21:49):
are now married with children. I guess the next thing
to do is decide when to tell her children about
their grandfather before they can discover it online for themselves.
If they choose, what would you do?

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Oh well, I would definitely continue a relationship with that person.
They're not responsible for their father's actions and the fact
that they they understood the severity of it enough to
sit them before it was very you know, before they
were in deep let them know because understanding that that's

(01:22:22):
a choice someone would make, that's very mature. Well, also,
never hold that against someone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Yeah, I would never hold that against anybody. And it's
that they're actually a victim as well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
If there's anything it would just be like how difficult
that would be for a person. It would almost I
feel like I would like to think I would have
even more empathy for that person because they had gone
through such a serious life challenge and their relationship and
I mean everything about that would be so hard for
that person. I would just feel such deep sadness and

(01:22:55):
empathy for them that it would almost be the opposite
of like I wouldn't break up with them ever.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
And as for the kids, I feel like he slowly introduced, like,
you know, as they understand what grandma's and grandpas are
and what about dad's dad, where's Dad's you know, you
say he did a very bad thing and he's in jail,
he's in prison forever for it, or you know, and
you slowly let them know, you know what I really
give more information to them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Yeah, because I realized this, And it's weird that I've
never said this before, and I in no way was
holding it back. I just kind of mentally like rediscovered
it recently. But my mother's father died when she was
twenty one, so I never knew him. But I found
out when I was a full grown adult, I think

(01:23:42):
probably in my late twenties. My dad told me he
was stabbed to death in a bar fight.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Holy shit, and that's how he died. That's how he died.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
But we were always told he died of a heart attack.
Oh and so it wasn't till much much later, and
I didn't, like, I didn't know anything about it, but
I only realized where I'm like, oh, actually, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Not that funny when it's your own thing, you don't it's
my own thing. But I also don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
I have no connection to it except to know, like
my mother never spoke about it, and she never like
for the story she kind of put out there was
like he just died of heart attack, like, don't worry
about it. And she didn't like him because he was
a really bad alcoholic and he had you know, he
was he had a lot of problems. Wow, So it
was almost just like that's the side of the family

(01:24:27):
you don't talk about as much. I know, it's not weird.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
I don't know if it's my story to tell, but
I'll just say that Vince's grandfather he never met, who
was a police officer who died in the line of duty,
and so the grandfather he grew up with was his
step grandfather. And it's just this like they didn't talk
about it either. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I feel like more people than you would know, Like
if you ask people like about the tragedies and their family,
you'd be shocked how many have humongous ones that they
just simply don't discuss.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Because they've grown up with it as a secret or
as a thing, and nobody will discuss it with them,
or them wanting to know more about it is they're
they're a bad person for wanting to know more about it.
They're opening wounds, or.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
They're yeah, like it's it's very it's too sensitive, or yeah,
it's interesting, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
That's a good question. Yeah, ye help good luck with
that everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
That was it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Yep, that's the Q and A.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Wow, it was fun. That was fun. I mean, yeah,
I like let's just change the podcast and that's questions
for us. You guys, thanks for sending four hundred questions.
Oh my god in such a short time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
We'll do it again sometime and get for sure get
other ones.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
And Stephen, thank you for going through all of those.
There are a lot of weird ones.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
No, I mean, yeah, these are some great questions that
I liked.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Thank you, good job. Those were really good. Yeah, those
were really good for you. And we're back.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
We were just saying, what a brilliant idea we had
to stop doing homework for one week and just be
able to answer some questions.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
It's like the guy ran an episode where it was like,
oh great, someone else has to do the heavy lifting,
and this one it's Stephen. Like we said, ask for
questions and then go find them. We didn't even have
to find the questions ourselves. Steven, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Stephen fully arranged the entire situation. And then it was
just fun because then it was like a little bit
of a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
And I got to talk about myself. There is a
moment here that has stuck with me about Stephen. That's like,
you know, the soft spot I have in my heart
for him, one of those things includes the fact that
the murder of Selena is his top, you know, favorite murder,
and that it's the one that I always stuck with him.
And I's just like, yeah, it's so sweet. It's so sweet.

(01:26:52):
It's so Stephen.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
It's yeah, it really is. He's a beautiful angel and
a great Texter.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
And what's spoke for dark last text from Stephen open
your fucking phone right now, and let's we have a
last text exchange from Stephen. Do it go?

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Hold up good. Mine's from Wednesday, September tenth. It says, Karen,
I went to the opening of the Jaws exhibit at
the Academy Museum.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
You have to go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
It was great getting to see lots of original props.
And then there's a picture of fucking Steven Spielberg speaking
at a podium while it says Jaws exhibition and an
orchestra like, so Steven's in the audience for this incredible
like Jaws fiftieth anniversary. And before that, it was hope
the tour goes well and you have a great show
on our first night.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Okay, love your Stephen text. I mean, it's so Steven,
it's so Stephen. If the audio sounds different, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
Yeah, it's because we had a major WiFi meltdown.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Yeah, so we're picking back up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
It's a different day, it's a different reality, but.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Still pretend it's real. It sounds better. It sounds so
much better. Steven sent me a photo of his cat,
Penny Lane. That's my last interaction with him. I said,
what a sweet angel, and then he gave me an
update on her new diet, food and meds. Can I
see her picture? That cat is so cute. She's such
a cute little orange.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
She's a dainty orange tabby. I like a new segment
text from Stephen.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
I know, yeah, rewind why not, Steven?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
He always gives them, we might as well turn them
into content. Okay, so now we're back into this episode.
It's the Q and A episode. This is now a
hometown story from your friend and mine hilarious comedian Jesse Pop.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
We have a quick hometown that this is a murder.
I've always I saw this one years ago on like
a dateline or some stuff that I couldn't do because
it was kind of one of those small ones. But
then I found out and I met Vince that Vince
is one of Vince's best friends, Jesse Pop, was directly
connected to this murder. Wow. Yeah, And so Jesse Pop

(01:28:58):
fucking hilarious comedian. He just came out with his new
album called I'm the Best, which is so funny. If
you know Jesse Pop, that that's it's just so hilarious.
Him in a RoboCop costume.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
He actually really wore to a Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Party at the bar. But he's like got a solo company.
He's drunkcause he's just such a funny person. And I
watched the live taping of this comedy album, and my
fucking got He's one of the best joke writers I've
ever heard.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
He's among the comedy community. He's known as one of
the best stand ups there is. Yeah, so it's an
album worth buying.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Yes, for sure, I'm the Best. It's on iTunes and
all the places you buy stuff. And so here is
Jesse Pop's hometown. Wait a, let me for speaker.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Okay, all right, this is my hometown murder. About six
seven years ago, I was living in New York and
I ran out of money, so I went back home
to Michigan. We got a job at the Locals Apple orchard.
There and I was just kind of like, you know,
right a tractor and you know, doing shit you could

(01:30:03):
do when you don't know a farm. But there was
just one kid there, and I talked to him a
few times and he kind of, I mean, he wasn't
He just struck me as a little squirrely, nothing too crazy.
And then I asked a few people about to be
just like shooting the ship is like so so at
the side of this kid there, I got he's nice
in all this, and it didn't really stick in my mind.

(01:30:25):
And then you know, I saved up some money, went
back to New York. And then a year later, this
kid got arrested for murdering his mom. Thought, oh, that's
well crazy, And then turns out what was going on
is she the mom was schizophrenic and bipolar and also
very very religious and wasn't taking her medicine because she

(01:30:46):
thought it was sorcery, and she had gotten so start
gone she was like stashing knives in her head toward it,
but like tracking devices in her bloodstream and all this,
and also the dad had started stepping out. And there's
also like a little before the murder, she had been
arrested for strangling this kid because he was trying to

(01:31:07):
get her to dig her medicine. And then also he
had a younger sister who the mom was homeschooling still
for some reason. So they're walking then, and even all
the news would be like, you know, you know, the
perfect family, which is not what was going on anyway.
So it's a very briskly scene. I guess where there
no one broke in most signs of force and certainly things.

(01:31:29):
Someone took it two by four and basically bashed her
head open a bunch of times, and then took a
knife fit stature in the throat a bunch of times,
and there's blood and stuff. And this kid said that
he had been to Elbi was that he had been
planning bushes for a neighbor lady who was turned out
not to be true. And then he punched into work

(01:31:50):
and his hands were all fucked up, and he told
people this for moving palace, which moving palace doesn't really
get your hands away. That his work. So we get
arrested and he convicted because you know, people were screaming
him and saying there's no way he did it could
be so nice, and but he got arrested. He's going

(01:32:12):
to do at least I think twenty or thirty years
or something. And I am so if you managed it,
don't chill your mom.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Nice, That's exactly right, Jesse your medicine and don't kill
your mom please. The other thing he didn't mention in
that the apple orchard was his sister, Jesse's sister's apple orchard.
Oh wow, yeah, and I've been there, Spicers, and I
had a fucking apple cider donut in Michigan. Oh my god,
the best. This took me there in Michigan and it

(01:32:44):
was amazing. Uh So in time, I know, did you
ever see the like twenty twenty or forty eight hours
about that one?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
This story sounds familiar, But as I was listening to
him tell it, I was like, is it familiar because
he told it to me?

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Because sometimes he'll wear the Spicer's Apple Orchard T shirt? Yeah,
what is it? Is he an ironic hip story? He's like, no,
I used to fucking work here. Wow. That was a
great way to end a really fun question. Now wow,
next h Minnesot hometown murder, I'll play my uncle's Oh yeah,

(01:33:16):
they're in gas situation. Amazing, I know, I love it.
Thanks Jesse that Jesse pop by his album I'm the Best.
I'm the Best. Vince April, my husband, put it out
on his record label. What's his record label called. It's
called Capsule Records. What if I fucking didn't know?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
I know?

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
I was like, oh no, emotion of like thinking of
the sure cut this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on the story?

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
There actually are. So the Jeffrey Pine case was covered
on A forty eight Hours in an episode called The
Perfect Family. They also did a follow up segment asking
if the way his mom was killed proved premeditation. CBS
News ran a series of articles during his trial and
after the verdict, and it is such a sad case,
just terrible. Yeah, and Jesse lived it, yeah, right in

(01:34:12):
his world.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
That's like a reality shifting experience to have to know about.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
That as in childhood.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Yeah, okay, so let's talk about the title a little
bit easier. Originally this episode was called Q and DNA, but.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Maybe if we're nading it today, based on something we've
said in the episode, we would call it nothing more flexible,
like a tattoo.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Or God willing, which is Georgia joking that it'll be
my birthday when this episode comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
God willing, I love an inappropriate God Willing, And then
we could also do excuses for why I can't go out.
I love it. I mean to this moment, to this moment.
All right, Well, thanks for listening, and we're going to
say goodbye to you from way back in twenty seventeen
in the podlaf Oh, well that was awesome. Thank you

(01:35:03):
Steven for that doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Yeah, and thank you guys for sending in those questions.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
It was so much fun. Stay sexy and don't get murdered.
Bye bye, Elvis. You're sitting right here. Do you want
to cook? You it right? He poked his head.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Into the microphone up like a voiceover actor, and me
out into the microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
You're the best, Good job, bubby. Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
It's time to shine

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