Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 74: Jews Vs. Catholics - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Every Wednesday, we recap our old episodes with all new commentary,
updates and insights.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Today we're recapping episode seventy four, which we named Jews
Versus Catholics.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
This episode came out, not to say this episode came
out on June twenty second, twenty seventeen.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
I'm so surprised when I saw that, leam. Oh my god.
All right, let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Let's listen to the intro of episode seventy four.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
Molly, you a danger girl, Stay sexy.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
You're talking murder.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Welcome to my favorite murder, to my favorite murder, your favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Murder podcast. Little I regret saying that. Leave it in. Okay.
I don't know if nian's ever said this, but fuck
the haters.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I feel like this is a new idea I know.
And do you mean the social media haters? Everyone? Just
any hater, any haters, they are going to hate. They're
going to hell. That's what you're going to say.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah, I believe in Hell. Now new update on the podcast. Oh, Neat,
you're catholic now now I'm catholic. Cools like that. How's
it been hard?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Right, it's so I'm suddenly belcrow everything I've ever done
in my life.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
You feel guilty for things other people have done. I
shouldn't know much guilty. I shouldn't have let them do that,
even though I didn't know them.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
When I was a child, Yes, I used to think about.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
How disappointed Jesus was in me and get so sad,
and then I'd just be like, how am I? I
can never make good on that? No, how am I
going to make good on this?

Speaker 3 (02:26):
What the How the fuck?

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Here's how I'll make good on it. I'll go into
a dark room and talk to a man behind a
screen about the specifics of what makes me a bad person.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I'm eight.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
He sounds legit, he sounds like a good guy who's
helping people.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
The whole system seems really like a humanitarian like kind
of they're trying on you people, but you guys just
keep failing them. These guys behind the screen, Yeah, yeah,
they're they're like, what am I here for?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
You should come in one we you can be like,
I'm good, Yeah, but you just keep bringing stealing shit
from your sister?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Am I right? Did you do them her? Impure thoughts.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh yeah, stealing from my sister, stealing from my My
dad always had a coin jar in the closet.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
How were you He put it in there so you
could be a child, right and steal from it. That's
kind of what they're for.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
But I would actually take it to coinstart, changed it
in for eighty dollars and then holy really, I.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Stole from my sister, like those stupid little like children's
lockers that they would have.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Oh yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Come on, I would open it and I would steal
her money, and I would go across the street and
buy pieces and a squeeze it. And I've never felt
guilty about it one day in my life.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh, that's the glory of Judaism. Oh, I'm giving it
an Italian. Oh, the Italian Jews are the best ones.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, I don't know. That's great. No, they don't exist.
I was like, whoa kind of thing we get all
of the Italians.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, they're castle of Italian food though. I mean I
think I love the mustache. Sorry, there you go, that's all.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Its good speaking of religion, I have something to read
to you. Okay, okay, remember last week I did like
I didn't occult killing. I did satan cult kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
It was intense. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
And so I think, I mean, that's what you want
in this podcast, is like if you could like describe
your story in one word, like it should be intense,
it's for sure. So I mentioned that it was a
Satanist thing, and that's some kind. I was just like,
I just want to say that Satanism isn't like that,
and then moved on because I don't know how to explain, right,

(04:31):
And so someone explained it.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh minute, someone.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Sent an email to us, and I said, hey, Karen
and Georgia, I'd like to think that I'm a that
I'm pretty chill. Plus I'm a Satanist. Your last episode
cracked me up. So I thought i'd take the opportunity
to tell you a little bit about modern Satanism.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Skippers, don't skip skip, Skippers, you need this the most.
Maybe you'll fucking learn something, maybe you'll stop being of
the devil.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
There are all kinds of Satanists.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
The ones that believe in worship, the ones that believe
and worship the actual devil are not what you might
call mainstream Satanisms. More common Satanists more commonly you'll find
people who belong to the Church of Satan or the
Satanic Temple. I am member the Satanic Temple, and also
a local group called Satanic San Francisco. Like, good morning,

(05:20):
that's where Satanic San Francisco. Here's the local news.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
That's where I lived when I lived in San Francisco.
What neighborhood did you live in? This is fucking hell.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh my god, I only have eleven dollars and I
have to take the bus to two different jobs.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
The bless did you take that?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
The six sixty six come the one that went down Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I think Dona twenty two, the.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
One that basically the one that went diagonaltly across town.
Not the fun Satanic one, no way, the one that
smelled like feet.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
You gotta think the Satanic bust smells like feet.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
A all bit too though, right or candles?

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Remember of the Satanic Temple St. Lulos, Satanic San Francisco.
Our version of Satanism is what you might call an
as an atheistic religion. Most of us do not believe
in God nor by extension, the Devil. What we do
believe in is a personal autonomy, equal rights and the
separation of church and state. We've just co opted the
imagery created by mainstream, mostly Christian religions to represent our

(06:24):
opposition to some of the more oppressive beliefs. So when
some government office wants to put up a Ten Commandment
statue on public land, we'll.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Be there to ask for our.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Own Bahmet statue, met bapha met statue.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
After all, the government can't advocate for any one religion
thanks First Amendment, so they either have to represent all
religions fairly or be hands off with all religions. The
Satanic Temple also has a strong feminist view, which also
which was what attracted me to it in the first place.
Our emphasis on personal freedom also includes freedom over our bodies,
meaning a woman's right to choose is sacricyanct. They have

(07:00):
fun with their religion. They have pot lucks, they have
screenings of movies like Rosemary's Babies. They have letter writing
campaigns where they curse the Trump's Trump's cabinet. We might
not believe in curses, but we wanted to grab the
attention of those who do, and even a book club.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Right now, we're reading a book about the.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Satanic Panic in the nineteen nineties, which Son's fucking awesome.
So it's obvious why most of our members are also murderinos.
Thank you for a wonderful show that is funny and fascinating.
Stay sex, you don't get murdered and something Satanas.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Probably hail or something, Yeah, Hail Satan, I say something
like that, Simone.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, Simone, thank you for providing information. But I think
that's like such a clear in the in the Satanic
Panic days when the Church of Satan, which have being
from the San Francisco Baria and the Anton LaVey right,
and the Church of Satan had a real like it
had a real it was scary and people will talk

(07:57):
about it in these very serious scary terms. And it
like that letter makes me so happy because really it's
a political group and what they're saying is this country
was founded on the separation of church and state for
a very important reason, because when the government becomes just
chooses a religion that they're going to represent and not others,

(08:19):
that means that people who aren't in that religious group
are going to be oppressed.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
And so it's it's actually kind of bad assy.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, I mean, everything about that is super bad assy,
but I mean and at the same time, I only
can think of my aunt Mary, the nun, who would
be like, I don't know if I want you to
be saying that you love the church.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And she wouldn't be saying that saying Latin prayers over
your soul.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Although but no, but she actually might be going. I
can see their point. She's the most fair, lovely person ever.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
But well, when I said sayings are actually cool, that's
what I meant. Yeah, last week I love but I
couldn't put into words.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
They're kind of humanists that are being anarch aren't anarchists.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
And they're using I mean, it's almost like they're really
great uh pr people. Yeah, good for them.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
So I'm happy that that got sent because I think
it was necessary. Do you have any correction that was
my corrections corner?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yes, I have a couple. Let's see, Well, these are
the tweets we've gotten of, Like this is now mirror
corrections corner where people are correct giving us the corrections
and we're just reading that right. Yeah, Boons Farm, was
the wine you were trying to think of?

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I was gonna say mine was that if you had
guessed arbor mixed that's fine. But what I actually remember? Yeah,
but what I actually like, I feel like that's a
fair one. That people were like, is it Arbor Miss?
I mean I got this on all platforms, all social
media platforms.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
You had a telegram at the front door. It is
the wine Arbor.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Miss, Elvis took a shit and it just said Arbor
Miss and those shit.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
That was really weird.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
But yes, if you guessed boons Farm, you were correct
of the weird wine.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Like I couldn't remember.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
And so many people wrote like I was screaming boons
Farm when you said, I bet people are screaming whatever
the name is.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah, and it's true. Yeah, that one really had a
ripple effect so many because everyone has been hungover ye
in her lives.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yes, because the sugar content is like fifty percent, it's
some horrible thing.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well, what do you expect me to like purple wine?

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well? And also, if you drank purple wine when you're
a teen, how are you supposed to remember anything at
this point?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Sure, so we're everything's fine, okay, go on.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Maraga is the city that is in the hills near
Oakland and near Berkeley, and blah blah blah that Adrian
actually just texted me because she just listened to that
episode and she was like the text I just got,
like right before I pulled up here was dude, are
you serious?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
It's Maraga And I was like.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Okay, because still haven't I still haven't heard of it. Yes,
but I absolutely know it, and I think we probably
played them in softball or something in high school. But
like out of context. It just made me realize I've
lived in La longer than I lived in.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Pedalah, congratulations, I don't think so. Don't you think so?
I think so.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I mean I mean when I did the Arsenal Inspector,
who was the arsonist?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, secretly John or Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
A couple of weeks ago the TV set he burned
down that everyone said, did you ever get any of
these messages?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
It was the Waltons set.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Oh, I was thinking of a television that like you
have in here, a television set that you have in
your living room. Like I don't remember that was I
just tuned out.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
I think it was. It was at the very end
of the case. It was the last thing he burned,
an actual TV show set. Yeah, the e serior pretending
that we're at the Walton's house. What's the Waltons. I
don't remember that one. It was the old one. It
was like the whole family.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
They lived in the mountains in probably West Virginia or
something like that, and there was like the grandma and
the dad and the mom and the fucking six kids.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Good night John boy, can night maryl And Okay, that's
the all right, Well secks to be them.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, hopefully no one was in side the wall when
it burn Then the other one was.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
There's two now.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So a bunch of people thought I had said last
week what happened was and a lot of people thought
I was referencing the podcast Another Round, which is Tracy
Clayton's podcast Who I Am. I've never met her in
real life, but I claim to be friends with her
because we've talked. We've talked on Twitter about this is
Loose especially Yeah. I mean she I think she'd pick

(12:25):
me up at the airport if I.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Needed her to. I get that.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
There's a lot of people I haven't really quote met,
but they were my friends, but we.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Kind of know each other, and so.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
She I guess that's something she says on her podcast,
but I it's it's I'm quoting the first, that's what
the fresh Prince of bel Air would say when he
was trying to make an excuse for something. But full
props to another round and those women who are hilarious.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
And are friends whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Uh Now this is the last one, and this is
the one that we get the most people think.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Some people think that we invented hi or buy ye yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
But then oftentimes people ask are you quoting Alaska from.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
RuPaul's drag Race? I actually am quoting my friends.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Hailey Schaeffer, Danil Cobb and Hannah Pinter, who were aps
with me on like a bunch of TV shows I've
worked on, and we when we were at our unhappiest.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I would like walk up.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I was oftentimes their boss, and I would have to
go and be like, can you guys get me a thing?
But to kind of Sometimes it was either to cut
the tension of like I have to now tell you
what to do yeah, or we hated at one job,
we hated the people around us so much that we
did it as a loud So I would walk up
to ask them for something which should have been almost

(13:43):
a silent transaction, and instead I'd go hi, and I'd
go hi, and we would do it as obnoxiously as possible.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, So I feel like and I feel like and
I can't remember life for this podcast, but I'm pretty
sure that like that was bye Hei. It was in
all my like when I wanted to be like, hey,
I have to ask you for something, yeah, I would
write hi, I E. You know, like I just think
it's a thing that people do.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
But we I've always.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Mentioned that that is something that is like a coined phrase.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
On drag race, Alaska made it popular. It was like
a thing that people are copying. But when the last
time I saw Hannah and Haley and Neil, I was like,
where did are you guys doing it? Because Alaska did
it on a drag race and they're all like, I
don't know, I just started doing it at some point
nobody knew our source.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
That's the same thing for me and I recently were
talking about the phrase coucie twine, just like one of
my like when you're just like, oh god, no, it's
like that's getting a coucie twinge and like you were like, well,
someone had to have said that first, and I'm like
I don't fucking think so, Like I just remember, did.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
You look it up. No, but I just remember. Of
course I didn't look it up. That's work.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh, but I just remember saying it all the time
with friends and like it being the best description, And
the first time I heard it was from a friend,
it wasn't. Like So, man, everything is fucking appropriated except
for stay sexy, don't get murdered.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
That's ours. Don't fucking steal it. Yeah, we made that.
Listen for sure heure comes the lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
It actually turns out in nineteen forty seven, Dorothy Parker
said it.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
No, no, the trademark is then it's expired.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Sorry, that was all for me. I just thought i'd
update all of this. That was great.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh, we have a present to give. Oh, next right
episode on the air present Listen. Look, it's been five months.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Stephen Ray Morris has been working for us on the
good faith that someday we will pay him some.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Day, not even some like, that's not even the thing
he's been waiting for this someday is that Karen and
Georgia as human beings, will get our shit together enough
to set up a fucking payrol as like a regular business,
which is like so daunting to both of us in
a way that's like, I don't know how to adult.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
That's why we fucking hired Stephen. That's right, You're supposed
to be the adult, Stephen. But then we have to
do the work. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
So when we brought your walking papers in the form
of a check that I feel kind of bad because man,
the government took out so much of it.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Hey, that's like it's so big, it's huge. Let him
have it here you go.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
Oh my gosh. I'm like, and Elvis rips it up. Elvis,
Elvis rip it up.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Thank Stephen, look at it and want we're on camera reaction. Yeah,
but only get you disappointed. Oh.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
He's like, I can't pay rent this month.

Speaker 7 (16:23):
Oh my gosh. Oh I can totally pay rent. Okay,
Oh my gosh, Well, thank.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
You, thank you for paying you the money that we
promised you in January that we would you.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
You're welcome. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
Sorry, I'm like, totally read right now.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Proba my god.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And this check is so heavy to see that ADP,
I want to say, who's our When I got first
of all, when I emailed him.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
He was like, I can help you with anything you did.
Bloody blah blah, blah, stay sexy.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Don't get murdered too. And I was just like, oh,
this is my friend. So he the whole time he
walked me through everything. He was so patient and cool
because I.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Was like, I don't know how fucking thing. Yeah, they
were the company was so great.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
I'm so happy we went through them.

Speaker 7 (16:59):
Hey, Steve, so and it is Steve.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
We're golden.

Speaker 7 (17:02):
Yeah, amsche probably does.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Now what if he has like he's the exact opposite
of you.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
He has like his hair parts on the other side,
and he has a weird abraham or like what do
you call it, like an Amish beard on the bottom
instead of a mustache on the top.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
We're going to become best friends.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Or what if it's actually Stephen he has to get
a job at ADP because we're not paying him enough.
And he's just like, no, it's me. Let me show
you exactly how.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
To do this word for a word, we'll do everything.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, congratulations, about six months, we'll see you again with
a paycheck. No, it's month right now, it's monthly now.

Speaker 7 (17:33):
Yay, yay.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
You're on your own schedule to be employed like a
normal You're on the take.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
It's very exciting that you are a part of our team. Stephen.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
You really help us so much and save us so
much pain, so much fun.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
And I love that the people in this little group
are like people we care about this little like this
little group of Stephen and Vince.

Speaker 7 (17:56):
Yes, no, this is my favorite thing to do in
the world.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yay, more than the per cast. You have to say yay.
Your co host is like, fuck you.

Speaker 7 (18:07):
I'm going to just put a version where she only
hears the where it's just yeah, yourself.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Out, Yeah, you gotta clean now out in there? Cool
anything else. A lot of murders happening in the world,
but I really know how to talk about them. So
much heavy shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I got real depressed yesterday, like when we were like
it was like five and we had decided not to
record to that line. So I was like, I had
the night for you, and and it was like, do
you want to go out to eat? And I'm like cool,
like that's my dream. But then I was just like
I don't want to go anywhere. Nowhere seems and I
realized it was because I had just been reading the
news and I was so depressed.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah it's only bad news now, Oh my god. And
it's one thing after the other. It's just every from
every direction.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, you know, it's terrible, terrible news.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
But I will say this, I feel like people are
making an effort to it. If they are not the enemy,
they are making an effort to make sure you know
they're a friend.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
I feel like that's happening more and more these days.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I feel like it's the thing to keep your eye
out for because it's important because if you focus, the
news is only going to tell you a bad stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
It's how they make their money.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
They do not make money with their This dog is
best friends the goat. Nobody stays around for that story.
They only stay around to either have their fears confirmed
or you know, learn a new fear.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
That's just what the news is. So you have to
tune out, and you have to you know, go to
soup plantations. Did not This was so hard felt, and
then somebody got real. I always I always ruin it. No,
that was beautiful.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
It does seem but you know, particularly lately, it does
seem like all the news it's like here's here's a
bunch of good people or bad people did things to them.
It's like there's just like innocent people who keep getting
bad stuff done to them by people who and I
can't wrap my head around it, or bad people, you know,
which is so hard to understand, and it's.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's the abusive power. It's yeah, there's a lot of
abuse of power right now. That what is happening now
is we're in a transitional phase where power is being
taken back or taken away, and it seems slow and
it seems like maybe it won't change, but it will change,
and it is changing and you have to believe it's

(20:31):
changing so that you can continue trying, because that's the
most important thing is is you know, it feels like
sometimes the setup is they're trying to get people to quit,
they're trying to get people to turn.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Against each other.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
And the other day, like there's a million we could
talk about the police shootings, we could talk about fucking
Bill Cosby, we could talk about politics of all kinds,
we get whatever, attacks on Muslim children, I.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Mean, like this so fucked.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
But the other day somebody just posted the picture of
hundreds of people in London walking with flowers to put
them down. Where at the at the most recent place
where a Muslim was attacked.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
The mosque where they drove. I drove into that drove
the van.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And what I think people are starting to understand is
when things like that happen, everybody else needs to stand
up and show the world, no, this is not what
we want. Like it's the uh, just being being quiet
isn't working anymore. Like people have to make a stand
and show that there is another force working.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
And we were talking about.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
All of this at work, and at one point I
just said, I'd like to remind everybody about the Women's March,
because that was millions of men and women, but mostly
women in their hats all around the world, standing up
and going. And that's you know, that's just try to remember.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, I would like to keep that attitude of.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Positivity, and then if you can't, just make sure that
you're not in.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Taking that you're balanced out.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's like the turn off the news and turn on
Bob's Burgers or something else that's going to make you happy.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Baskets, which is like depressing, but like so good.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Started.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I started binge watching it last night in a way
that was like, oh, I'm going to be gone all
doing this all weekend. Yeah, period, it's so good, so good,
and you're right on it.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I know you're on this. You're right on the second season.
It was gonna start ray. I can't wait to watch
your episode. We were in a meeting recently and someone
found out that you had written this certain They were
talking about this certain episode and they found that you
write it.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
They almost hearted crying. It's like, I'm so proud of you,
so cool, thank you. It's exciting.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
It's the one thing that is worth uh having two
jobs for.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, if it was any other show, I'd be like,
what the fuck, Karen, you don't need this? And it's like,
why are you right? Family feud?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
This is like I love those questions because there's so
many questions. I take the polls. I'm the one that
goes out in the streets on the street. It's right,
but I guess of all places.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
And it's really hot.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I like to go out into the street and ask
people what's the weirdest place? Well?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I steaking of positivity? Should we talk about murder? Yeah,
let's let's keep it on an up note. Yeah, I
think you're first.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I think I am, and I think I was supposed
to be last week. Did you hear about those give
me that check back.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, give me that check We're ripping this up in
front of your face. Is chewing it up? Thank you?
Oh oh, we have to mention if you are not
a Skipper and you did hear the you went to
listen to the podcast and in the beginning you were like, Okay,
this is the theme song I was listening to every week,
and then it wasn't the theme song and it was
some fucking magic moment. That's right.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
So if your skipper go back and listen again, because
the theme song this week of My Favorite Murder.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Is an amazing it's Georgia's Early Rave Days meets meets
Karen Song meets Forensic Files meets my song.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
It's a remix of the My Favorite Murder theme which
is amazing, and it's written by Yogi's that's correct.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
So if you go on what's what's the.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Channel that they go on to Steve World, If you
go on SoundCloud, it's why do oh g Z?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Right now, what's this channel that the children put their
music on?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
No, Stephen, yes, this is this is what was the Oh,
this is Satanic San Francisco Stellus.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
What's this thing going?

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Stephen's our tech wiz.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
This brand new theme song by Yogi.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yogi's yog Z on SoundCloud. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you
so much. Have I lost my one when I heard it?
We left so hard. It's so brilliantly done. Thank you.
What an honor.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
I just don't even remember when I said that thing
about ghosts in the middle of.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
You know, Mullumn, which I just love. She ever hears
what you said and.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
You're like, oh my god, that's I'd like that girl.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Be yourself. Yes you should. She's great. She's really great.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
See, we didn't have guilt and Catholicism in Judaism.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
We had You're fucking great and Judaism.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
You're so cool. Really there's guilt, but no, we dig ourselves.
We love hearing ourselves talk. We're great now.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I just like to quickly go back to Steven's crutching corner.
I felt like he was really about to spill it.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
Oh go Steven, No, I mean I I just I
got excited and I was like, George's first, that's that
was on me.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
This is a rare mistake from Stephen Raymore.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
It almost never happens, It really doesn't unless we just don't.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
I've been flogging myself since speaking just like Da Vinci code.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Style, we might need to use one of the three
tools that people have given us at live shows to
check when it's our turn.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Oh yeah, well there's ones like an abacus. One's like
a rock that you flip, you flip it. Yep, there's
so many. Yeah, it's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Really beautiful handcrafted tools that we've never looked at since
they were given to us.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Listen, one day, I'm going to go up in that
fucking podcast loft that's hot as shit and clean it
and organize it and it's gonna beautiful. I let my
one and a half year old niece nephew, what's a nephew,
that's a boy, go up there, and he like picked
up this like cute knit thing that's someone made of Elvis,
and I was like, you can fucking keep that, like
but in a good way because it was so cool,
and he like went directly towards it and was like

(26:27):
held it and then like carried it around the house
for the rest of the day.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And I was someone made us And it's actually been
a couple people. It's probably it's the same style, but
I've given us knit versions little versions of ourselves.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Keep meaning to post.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
This at live shows, and my dogs walk around with
Georgia in their mouths all day and it's so hilarious
and sometimes so happy. I take pictures because George does
a thing where she's laying down and George is like
a big lab. Right yeah, she's half lab, halfhound, so
she is.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
She's a weirdo. She looks weird, but she what she likes.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
To do is if she's feeling lazy, she'll have a
toy in her mouth and she just flips it up
in the air and catches it.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
That's like he s down. Yes, so she's so.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I have a picture series that I sent to Georgia
of George flipping Georgia.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Up in the air and catching.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
And George is a girl, right yeah, Okay, I'm going
to post it like a scroll thing on Instagram. I
know I keep saying I'm gonna do shit on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
But I'm really good. It made me so happy to
see that. You know what.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
The reason I didn't post is I couldn't find the
girl who made that toy, right.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
I wanted to credit her. But I'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
All the people and we do talk to people in
real time when we're being given things, but we really
do love them and we really do.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Keep them, and they're in boxes and stuff, even though
like weird shit people bring us.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
That's just like I didn't know what to bring you,
so I got you this like sticker from my town.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
And she's just like, fucking thank you. We still have
I still. I was just telling my sister this. When
we were in I'm.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Pretty sure it was Seattle.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
A guy gave me his Costco card and goes, look
at what look at how evil I look.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
In my picture on my Costco card And I was like,
oh my god, you look fairly evil.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
And I handed back and he goes, no, no, that's
for you, And I still I keep it. It's right
on my desk. It just sits right next to me,
right where I type shit. So you know, we have
you with us.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
But that makes me want to cry, like we're just
it's so funny and happy and lucky and I'm so stoked.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
We're having a good time. Everybody listen, sorry to be
so stuck up. Sorry into ourselves.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
And I'm Jewish and I think I'm pretty neat.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I always wanted to be Jewish, ever since I saw
The Goodbye Girl and Quinn Cummings, I was like, that
is that's who I was supposed to be. I was
born in the wrong body, i was born in the
wrong family. I'm supposed to be the child of a
divorced mother in Manhattan.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, well, I think Catholics, Catholics, and Juice are very
there's a lot of similarities in the families there. So
you just need to fucking take my cockiness a little bit.
I'm going to and like just lit.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
A couple of things. I'm gonna take a half a
cup year cockyness.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
My mother always told me that Jewish men and Irish
Catholic women are the best combination because yeah, they're both
matriarchal societies, and so a lot of other men get
very offended by how bossy and controlling we are as
Irish Catholic women.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
But which is a che friend like.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
It because I think Jewish women were raised that way too,
which is why and we think we're badasses.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
So when I meet a Jewish man, I'm like, fuck
you, you're so fucking cocky, Like, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
I've never dated a Jewish guy then is fucking atheist?
Whatever and I could so I could see that like
an appreciation there.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, I think it's it's a nice mix. This has
been Catholic Jew talk. We're gonna cut all this out,
going to send everyone next.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Week Buddhism and we're back. We're really getting into the
taboo cultural conversations on this podcast back in twenty seventeen,
I'm not afraid.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, we had to like start getting into the suck
of it all, and it seems like we're still there.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
It seems like it's gotten more. Just like the people
who study fascism told us it was going to crazy that.
But I was actually talking about just even saying Jews
versus Catholics, like it's a very at this point, such
a sensitive and you know, touchy topic. I don't know,
it's just such a we you know, everything is like

(30:34):
that these days, and so even just saying the word
seems to be like somehow inflammatory, even though I'm talking
about myself and you're talking about yourself.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, you know what else is inflammatory is the name
soup plantation.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I mean, I mean, first and foremost, like let's get
that out there.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
I mean, it doesn't exist anymore except there is one
location of Sweet Tomatoes, which is the name they changed
it to in Tucson, Arizona.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Oh so Mimi's like, God, damn it. I mean, if
you want to do a road trip to the Tucson
Sweet Tomatoes, I would do that one thousand persons.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Me.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Oh, I'm down for sure. Why aren't we doing a
live show there? Just for that reason?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Inside the Sweet Tomatoes like up by the Croutons.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Have you been to Sizzler lately?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Though?

Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's got the same the salad Bar's got the same vibe.
If you like, really miss it, I recommend.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Really the thing I really loved about.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I remember going to the Sizzler with my boyfriend back
in you know, must have been nineteen ninety nine or something.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Oh, that's your date with your boyfriend. That's cute.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It was a fun date to go to the Sizzler
on Highland.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Guess I remember that one.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
It's so stuffy and weird and dark.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
But when I went up to the salad Bar, which
is a thing I've always really had a love for,
They're just it's just such a random you can make
it exactly how you want. Like for Children of the seventies.
We never got to do that with anything. It was like,
either eat the snickers the way it was given, Nobody's
going to make a different version the way you like it.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Like that didn't exist back then.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
And so this idea that like you got to just
go and make the exact salad you wanted and you
didn't have to just eat it even though there were
onions on it or whatever things and.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Stuff like you didn't want that, but shut up and
eat it.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
But shut up and eat it.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And now you it was like, you decide you want
nacho cheese on that salad?

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Enjoy?

Speaker 4 (32:29):
My god?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Why doesn't that happen? Might be the best idea. What
kind of dressing do you want?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Nacho cheese? Hot nacho cheese with green peppers in it?

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Karen?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Have I done it?

Speaker 4 (32:40):
You did it? A little bit of bacon bits on top.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Sorry, but I'm going to sidebar us for one second,
because have I ever told you about that salad that
I keep chasing that I used to eat in like
the two thousands, And the restaurant closed, and it was
actually an independent restaurant in Los Angeles, So once it closed,
the salad was gone.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Forever was it?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
It was rome let Us And what I just realized
is gorgonzola cheese, which I thought it was goat cheese
this whole time. So I've tried to remake it at home,
and last night I just had an Italian restaurant.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
So this is the worst podcast. I just realized fascism
like what we have to recap.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'd rather do it salads, Like right, I hate salads
and I'd rather talk about fucking salads than anything else.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Then talk about how what's it like between twenty seventeen
and now where it's like, oh, we didn't do anything
about the big national joke and now the big national
joke is stealing people off the street and disappearing in them.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
For real, So for real.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
So it's salads.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
So I'll say this, romaine lettuce chopped almost like ribbon sliced,
you know, Okay, gorgonzola, deep fried onion strings, and then
a balsamic reduction dressing.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
That sounds so easy, but getting those specific ones are
probably hard.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Oh sorry, and yes, completely plus pollentic creutons, so deep
fried squares of polenta as croutons. I've never heard of
that before the combination of those items is so delicious.
If you can make any of those things at home,
and you're if you can hear my voice right now
out in the landscape, make yourself that salad, and please

(34:20):
tell us how you made deep fried pullentic croutons, because
I've tried many a time, not deep fried, but I've
tried to fry some up myself in I can't do it.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
What about the air fryer. I feel like that might work.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Oh yeah, these days, that's true.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Maybe just cube them up and put them in an
air fryer for like, maybe for two longs, so they
really get hard and crispy on the outside.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
We go, we've solved fascism.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Nobody be unhappy anymore. Okay, because we talked about salad.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Oh my god, i'mon rings on a salad.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I'm just I'll stand by for the rest of my
fucking life.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
No, no, she's some real hot salad on an on
an iceberg lettuce, the kind that can really old hold
hot dressing.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Yeah, say it. It's so exciting, it's so disgusting.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
The reason made me think of it is because at.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
The Highland Sizzler, when I went up to get my salad,
there was so much nacho cheese in the salad mix
that I was like, should we start over with the
salad because I think someone really dragged the ladle across
the actual lettuce part. You know.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Wow, yeah, wow, Yeah, I think we did it.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Goodbye. I think that's I think we should get into
your story. I think that's it.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Great. Now, let's get into Karen's story about the carbon
coffee murders.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
So it's me this week. Yay, Okay, give it to me.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I'm gonna get my sweaty fucking ass on this leather
couch comfortable.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, slide your ass around and really find your space
in this world.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I so have a job again.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
When I do my murders, I usually do them. I
have to do them quickly. Okay, I'm sorry, but the
pose you're in right now helping you is just helping you.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Remind George, just facing me.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
On the couch with one leg up there as if
I'm her gynecologist, and it's.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Just that I have a pillow. It's exactly no that
you're blocking it entirely.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
But it's exactly like that scenes from Girls when she's
at surf camp and she just pulls the bathing suiticide.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
My sons are pussy favorite scene.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I think about that all the time and definitely, And
I'm also wearing like like nineteen seventies was just called
like a onesie short shorts. So I move this pillow,
it would be fits over, it would be over.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
I love that scene. You move that pillow. We're bestie,
best We're best friends. Don't think I wouldn't do because
something about juesus.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
We have no fucking shape naked, We're just always naked.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Can I tell that story of on your wedding night
so I don't remember talking about it?

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Go over? Oh yeah, can I?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I have no secret you don't care on Georgie's wedding
night and this was like I don't even know what
tool it was. When you guys went back to your room.
Obviously it was probably two thirty in the morning.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I was already I had already gone back to my
room and gone to bed. I look at my phone
and Georgia had texted me a picture of herself.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Well, here, can I explain the w so A bunch
so we after the wedding was over, we went to,
like you know, to a little after party thing, and
like I guess, a bunch of you guys, my girlfriends
had snuck into our hotel room and decorated it all
cute and put candles and like that wasn't that was you?
And put like, uh, but you had helped me with
the wedding too, And.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Because I just don't want to take credit for put.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Wrote, you made my bouquet that's sitting right over there,
that's right, put rose pedals and a hard like just
just some really cute, sweet like shit. That and that
whole day made me think how like there was so
much help from so many girlfriends, and it made me
so fucking it was so wonderful. And so I got
back and saw that and started crying immediately.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
So then and she had already.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Taken her dress off, which means she was topless entirely,
like she doesn't wear a foundation garment, our girl Georgia.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
So she's texted me a picture of.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Herself, topless, crying with like her wedding, you still had
something in your hair for your wedding.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I texted that to maybe ten of my girlfriends.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
And I had glitter because we had glitter in the
fucking photo, and so it was just glitter stuck.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
To my entire body.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
And I'm sitting on the bed crying and so I
don't care a bunch of you guys have a topless.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Photo of me naked and crying on your wedding. Hell,
who fucking cares? Well done you? Yay, thank you? Can
you telling you that story? Okay?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
So, because because I'm pushing off my homer to last minute,
I was going through you recommended to me Mysteries Abound,
which is it's an amazing podcast by an Australian guy
named Paul Rex.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
It is the best He.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Reads articles out of really cool magazines and they're just
they're just interesting, fascinating wonders from around the world. Lot's
of stuff about aliens, that's the stuff about there's murder stuff,
there's just kind of general mysteries, some bits of nature
based so cool.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's so good. But he has this amazing voice.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So like I've been listening to it on planes because
you travel so much and you get into that weird
travel stress mode.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
So when I got onto a plane, I.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Put that podcast on and I can like go to
sleep or I can I just am like super relaxed.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
So I've listened to all of them. I'm obsessed.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
So so Also he is an independent podcaster, so you
can go on to just google Paul Res and mysteries abound.
He has another podcast called Origins like Origin Disease. Right,
I haven't heard any of that, but it's another thing
that seems fascinating definitely. But he when he reads his

(39:55):
articles says it's from this magazine or this website or
the source quotes clotal source, and I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Really good idea.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And one of the one the websites he talks about
all the time is a website called Cool Interesting Stuff
dot com.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, I've heard that falling asleep cool from Cool Interesting
stuff dot com. This is from Cool Interesting stuff dot com.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I love it so uh but also give please give
Paul Rex money so that he keeps podcasting because it's
so such high quality, it's so good.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
I did. I'm not just telling you too, I did,
so anyway, you gave him money.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I gave him money this morning nice because I was like,
I want to tell people to do it, but I
want to be I need to walk the walk ticket. Anyhow,
I went on to Cool Interesting Stuff because I was like, Okay,
I'm gonna find I'm going to be able to get
something and get a murder because oftentimes if I leave
it till the day of the store.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
It's the chronology that gets me.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
There's so much information that you like, you know, you
want to pick a good one, but then they have There's.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Just so much stuff that you have to sit through
and you have to figure out the story you and
you can't just read like a news report on it
because that's not interesting. You have to tell I got
the same thing with mine this week, where it's like,
how do I end this or how do I like
make this exciting towards the end or yeah, make it
just yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
You have to you know, Sorry, I don't know, you
have to work on your podcast, Like write.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
A story for your podcast seems bullshit. I'm like kind
of annoyed. I don't like it that much. Sorry, sorry, sorry,
But who said this? Was Homer? Who do you think
this is? Who do I think you are?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
So?

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Go on to Cool Interesting Stuff dot com okay, which also.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Seems like an independently produced thing.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
It's all art, it's all articles and things.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
It looks like somebody.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Is doing it out of their den, but someone's legitimately,
Like I think this is cool and interesting.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yes, Love it is it even real? Who knows?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
So this is the story that I found that I
just love this and this kind of combines all my things.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
I'm so excited. It's called the carbon copy Murder. Have
you heard of it?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (42:01):
What I would excited is Okay, that's so good. Okay,
I just read it to you.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
So also, cool interesting Stuff dot Com is the only
source that I can quote because there's no individual writers
that I found, Like, there was no individual writer on
this article, and so a lot of this article it said, it's.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
A chicken a den what let's just fell off the
fucking sorry because he fall asleep and then fall off
the couch. You're drunk.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
It's probably one chicken her denight, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
So if you work there or you know somebody, please
tell us who Cool interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Stuff dot Com. Tell us if you're working with Linda,
give us your last name, Lindo. We want to know Linda.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
We want to support you. Okay, the carbon Copy Murders.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
So on May twenty seventh, eighteen seventeen, at six point
thirty am, a labor on his way to work in Irnington, England.
I'm sure that's how they pronounce it.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Nington, but I'm sure tell the England. I'm sure that's
all England. I don't know, I have you heard of it?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
He sees a pile of bloodstained clothes near Penn's mill,
where we say that is if it's somewher, we know
what it's. Yeah, So he calls the police or gets
the police because it's eighteen seventeen. He calls out for
the police, please, and they search the area. They find
two sets of footprints, a big and a little, and

(43:29):
they follow them down to a flooded sand pit and
they then they dredge the sand pit and they find
the body of a local girl named Mary Ashford. Oh no,
so they start the cops start asking around and they
find out the story of what she had been doing

(43:50):
the night before. So it was a holiday called wit Monday,
and I looked it up, so it's basically it's a
Christian holiday fifty days for Easter. They kept calling it
on like the when I looked it up on Wikipedia
or whatever, they kept calling it Pentecost, which I'm like,
I don't know what this is. And I'm like, a

(44:10):
lifelong Catholic, I've never heard of this before.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
It doesn't exist. If you know what it is me
the expert. So it's basically it sounds.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
To me like it's like a last day of May,
I mean a last day of at the end.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Of spring, kind of for summer holiday.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And it's on a Monday, so it's basically an excuse
to have a long weekend, even back in eighteen seventeen. Yeah,
And so that night they were having a dance in
Erdington for wit Monday.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
So Mary.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
She had traveled from Erdington, her hometown, to Birmingham to
sell dairy protus.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
At the local market. That's like what she did for
a living.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
And then she had plans to meet up with her
friend Hannah Cox. She was going to go to Hannah's house,
change into her party dress and they were together going
to go to Whitson Tide, the Whitston Tide Dance is
what it was called for whit Monday. That was at
the Tyburn House Inn.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
It was that night.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
So she got to Hannah's house at six in the evening,
she changed into her new dress and then they went
to the dance together. She's twelve twenty twenty, Oh that's
a lot older. Okay, it's like eight years old. Yeah,
So they at the dance.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
They have a great time.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
She's very popular, well known girl. Mary is and so
they have lots of Maile and Myers at the dance.
But for the most part she had spent the evening
and the company of a young bricklayer named Abraham Thornton.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Get that bricklayer. My grandfather was a bricklayer. He was
the president of the Bricklayers Union in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
My gosh, yeah, so that sound the two of them
together sounds like a fucking cover of a romance novel.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah. Hot, the lady and the brick layer.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Hell yeah, that's a If you lay bricks, then you
also keep your shirt.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Unbuttoned to your navel.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Definitely, and it is like more like a bricks slayer.
I don't know something, there's something there.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Just like let it like roll around in your mop
minds a little bit. So she's hanging out with Abe.
Her friend Hannah is hanging out with a guy named
Benjamin Carter. So the dance ends at midnight and the
foursome leave, and Hannah and Benjamin are separated and Mary.

(46:33):
So Hannah Benjamin go off this way and Mary and
Abraham go off in another.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Tifinitely leave your friend with the guy she doesn't know, right,
I mean, look it, they're adult, they're twenty. Yeah, they're
at a dance. Good times, great oldies. Now let's go
for a stroll in the lane.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So later on, it's like three point thirty in the morning,
Mary is seen walking toward back toward Hannah Cox's house. Huh,
and the witness tells the police that he noticed.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
She was walking very.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Slowly and that she was alone at Hannah's house. She
takes off the new dress, changes back into her work clothes,
and tells Hannah she's going to go home.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
She says goodbye, leaves the house at four.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Am, and and she's only she's seen two more occasions
that night. Occasions. That was a cut and paste word,
if you've ever heard one. A man named Joseph Dawson
testified that he'd seen Mary in Bell Lane around four
fifteen am.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I mean they partied all night, dude. That's like, I
can't I do that next two hundred years later.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Well, but she's twenty sure, and she's got that like
a milk a milk maid's constitution.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah, she's like, I'm selling dary all week. I want
to party.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, okay, he's Joseph Dawson sees her at four fifteen,
and then ten minutes later she was seen in the
same lane by a guy named Thomas Broadhurst.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
A lot of people out.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, well, because it's that three day weekend, everyone's sure
working for Both witnesses say that she was alone when
they saw her.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
So when the police interview Abe Thornton, the guy, they
tell her that she has been murdered, that probably by
strangulation after being raped. He was in total shock. He
told the detectives, I can't believe she was murdered. I
was with her until four o'clock this morning. So the

(48:32):
police believe him to be sincere. He doesn't understand that
he's the chief suspect in this murder investigation. He's finally
taken into custody and they grill him about the night
and the whole everything that happened after they left the dance.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
He says that they did have sex, but he did
eighteen seventeen they bone, They totally boned in a field.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Oh my god, better then yeah, less chemicals. They had sex,
but he denies, of course, that he raped and murdered her.
He actually states that when Hannah and Ben peeled off,
he and Mary strolled hand in hand through a field
over to a style, which is I don't know if

(49:21):
you've ever watched like a Jane Austen movie, but sometimes
you know how.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Like they walk through fields.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
They're like, I'm gonna go over to that castle over there,
and they just start walking. Well, when you come to
a fence, they used to build in stairs into the
fence with like a pole so you could walk over
the fence without the sheep getting over the fence.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
So that was called a style. That was the standard thing.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
So they went over to Stiles, sat down, started chatting,
Oh my god, what's it like to lay bricks? It's
like this, how's what is it really like selling milk?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
I'll tell you. Shut up, I'll tell you if you
just let me talk for one second.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
They talked for a f fifteen minutes, and then they
go to the green at Irdington, where Mary goes back
into Hannah's house to change out of the dress. She's
in her nice dress and into.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Her work clothes.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
He's waiting outside for her for a long time and
she doesn't come back out, so he goes home alone.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
That's his story. And that story is backed up by.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Three witnesses who saw him standing there waiting for her.
One was a game keeper named John Hayden, who stood
there and talked to him for fifteen full minutes. So
everybody's like, yeah, this, you know clearly he did it,
So clearly it's this piece of shit. No, So basically

(50:45):
the investigation stalls out because aside from that bit of action,
there's nothing else that they know about what Mary did
that night, and no one saw the two of them
together after.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
She went back into Hannah's house.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Right, so they have a trial. Still, he's arrested and
he's and he's brought to.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Trial, and.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
That trial was in August of that year at the
Warwick Ass Size Court. No but fuck yeah, yeah, what
is your ass size?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Will guess your weight and charge you with murder your.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Ass size doesn't look innocent? Okay, So hundreds of people
think he did it. So they're all standing outside the
court waiting for the guilty verdict. Those are the good people, Yeah,
those are the murdering nos of eighteen seventeen. So it
turns out after six minutes of deliberation, the jury came

(51:46):
back and with the verdict not guilty. Wait, so in
modern English law, that verdict would have been final, but
in early nineteenth century an ancient law existed which enabled
Mary Ashford's brother William to appeal that verdict and demand
a second trial. And so the judge, Lord ellen Burgh,

(52:11):
he decides he allows Thornton to take advantage of an
archaic law called trial by battle the attel that's how
you know it's old. So basically that means he can
renew his plea of not guilty by literally throwing a
gauntlet down from the doc no.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Yeah, so yeah, so it's come that.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And by doing that he is challenging William Ashford, Mary's brother,
who is the one who wants him, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
He tried. He's challenging him to a fight to the death.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, unless one of them surrenders or is incapacitated during
the fight.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Guys, guys, guys.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
So people to fight this because it's such an ancient
but it's basically Lord Ellenborough.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Is like, this is this is the law of England
and it's allowed.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
And so my god, can you imagine today of like
that thing? All right, well, there's a lot that says
you can have a duel.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah, so grab the saxe and throw it on the ground.
It's in the law books. So, uh, if.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Ashford accepts the challenge and wins, that means Thornton will
be executed immediately. But if Thornton wins, then he's free
and doesn't have to ever appear in court again for
this murder.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
So the murder of this guy, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
No, that one's like everybody knows that that's what he
signed up for. So so this guy does it. He's like, hell, yes,
I'm in. So he throws the gauntlet down and uh,
William Ashford basically doesn't respond to at Abraham Thornton's challenge

(53:55):
and so.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
He gets off.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
So it's basically like one of those things where you
if you have traffic ticket and you challenge it, if
the cop that gave you the ticket doesn't show up
in court, then you don't have to pay the ticket.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
So the brother was like, oh, I don't know the
trial and Abraham was like gauntlet and he was like,
you know what, I.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Don't want to get killed.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
You're good because you're a big beefy bricklayer and you're
going to kick my ass.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
You're like walking off the cover of a romance novel. Yeah,
it's you're You're like, what's his name? Fabia?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Thank you say that because Vince jokes about Fabio all
the time. Fabia was sitting behind our table at a
sushi restaant once me and my friend Karena is in
and so I was staring at Fabio the entire dinner,
and I was like, there's a celebrity behind you.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
You have to guess who did You will never not
believe it because she guess people the entire dinner, and
I was giving her clues. I was dream dinner conversation.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Long hair romance. I was giving her every clue. She
never guessed it, and we had to wait until he.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Got up and walked out, and then she's like Fabio No.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I'd be like yeah, and so jokingly say like so,
like you look great, Like I know Fabio is your type,
but like he always references, like when we're making out
and you close your eze thinking about fab yas I don't.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
He's your Yes, he's your male idea. Yeah, yeah, that's
what I think about. Okay, So.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Essentially he gets off, he never is going to get
tried again, and he ends up. It's such a he's
so known as everyone thinks he killed Mary Ashford that
he ends up emigrating to the United States because he
can't get a job as a brick layer. So exactly
one hundred and fifty seven years later to the hour
up after the discovery of Mary Ashford's body on Monday,

(55:42):
May twenty seventh, nineteen seventy five, which was also whit Monday,
I got laid on that holiday. Late on the same day,
one hundred and fifty seven years later, the body of
twenty year old Barbara Forest was found dead in the
long grass of a ditch New Pipe Hayes Children's home,
where she worked as a nurse. She had been strangled

(56:05):
and raped. The bodies of both victims were found within
three hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Of each other. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
And later police arrested Michael Thornton, a Birmingham childcare officer
who worked at that same children's home where Barbara worked.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
So here's the similarities.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
They were both twenty, they look alike, and there are
two pictures. One looks like an illustration of a Jane
Austen character and one is a straight on picture of
a very pretty, very young seventies gal. So you can't
get the profile thing, but they look alike. It's the same,
like small fine features of two young women, essentially both pretty.

(56:52):
They had both visited their best friend on the evening
of whit Monday to change into a new dress for
the local dance party. Were both raped and then strangled,
and they were both That happened to them both at
the same time of day.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Oh my god, same guy did it then? Probably right?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yep, it was a time traveler that was just about
that spot. Yeah, anyone who walked by that spot, he
is gonna count. They were both, obviously, both guys named
Thornton Jesus. In both instances, the man named Thornton was
charged then subsequently acquitted.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Wow. Mary Ashford and Barbara Forrest had the same birth date. Enough,
not ready to.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Move on yet, Okay, stop it right fucking now.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Now listen, this is from Cool Interesting stuff dot Com.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Clearly they're correct entitling their fucking website that.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Holy shit, it's if this is true all true.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
It's so insane. It's not it's still I still I
still love the concept of that. But fuck, I mean,
like this, because this could happen. That's just that thing
of like, yeah, if a hundred monkeys, you know, are
typing a typewriter, like, it's that kind of thing, but
it's but it's also then it brings in my favorite
kind of a culty thing, which which is could something

(58:13):
else be involved?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Whatever?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I love it. Here's the other similarity. A week before
Mary Ashford was murdered, she told her friend Hannah Cox's
mother that she had bad feelings about the week to come,
but she didn't know what it meant. She didn't have
any specifics on that. And ten days before Barbara Forrest

(58:36):
was raped and strangled, she told a colleague of work, this.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Is going to be my unlucky month. I just know it.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Don't ask me why carbon copy murders ladies. Isn't that insanity?

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Oh my god, Kucci twin. But you're saying that with
your leg up in the air. Sorry, I just I
am splayed open. I mean, can flinged at that? Can
you see they're embarrassing?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Stephen, I'm sorry, Stephen is flat face, flat notes.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I think you passed out. Oh, you're right, he's passed out.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Shit, we killed Stephen killed Stephen? Oops, well, your co
chief killed Stephen.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Oh Man hain't me the first time I killed I
don't know what, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
That was amazing.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
I'm creepy and fucked up, insane. Thank you, Thank for
yailing me. Thank you, Paul Rex.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Thank you Linda from Cool Interesting Things dot com or Linden.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Linden or Linda.

Speaker 7 (59:36):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
Okay, we're back, Karen. Do you have any updates?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
There's no case updates, but in twenty eighteen, a historian
named Naomi.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Clifford published a book called The Murder.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Of Mary Ashford, The Crime That Changed English Legal History,
and that digs into the eighteen seventeen case and clears
up a lot of the myths. Also, just as a
fun footnote, the podcast Mysteries Abound with Paul Rex ended
in twenty nineteen, but the catalog is still up so
you can listen to episodes wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Wow, that was a fascinating story.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Okay, So let's get into Georgia's story about the Anissy shootings.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
So here's one that's been in my drafts like since
the beginning of this podcast, because I've always loved this story. Okay,
but there's never like a good closure to it because
it was only five years ago, but I always kind
of look it up and see what's new, and so
finally I'm ready to do it. So this is the
Anissy shootings. Okay, all right, go ahead and give credit

(01:00:46):
right now to Sean Flynn who wrote this like five
part GQ article about it. That's really great. But it
hasn't been I think it's from a couple of years ago.
So there's but I but he helped.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Me a lot, so thank you, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
September fifth, twenty twelve, on this included route.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Ready for this Flores Stay de Monlier de la Combe
the Iri.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Nope, not getting close near the southern end. Cue the
fucking corrections corner near the southern end of Lake Annisey
in France. Okay, it's a small, serene city. It's about
six hour drive from Paris. And a man named Brett
Martin was out riding his bike, cycling up this beautiful
hill and as he crossed a river bridge and continued

(01:01:31):
up the hill, a little girl came stumbling into the
road and collapsed in front of her family's car that
was parked on the side of the road. Seven year
old zanob Al Hillie had been shot on the shoulder
and she had been pistol whipped. He stops at the
scene and inside of ze Knob's family car, the family

(01:01:53):
BMW had a camper attached was the dead bodies of
her father Sayi al Hillie, he's a fifty year old
satellite engineer, his wife Ickball, she's a forty seven year
old dentist, and Nickball's mother Suhail Suhal she's seventy four,
and each had been shot twice in the head. Inside
the car, Oh the family was in the area on

(01:02:17):
vacation from their home in Claygate, Surrey, England, and they
were on their way for a walk in the woods,
just a random venture into the woods. And also on
the scene outside the car was the dead body of
a local cyclist, Sylvan Malier. He's forty five. He's been
shot five times, twice in the head. The car was

(01:02:42):
stopped in a way that investigators were able to tell
that prior to the shooting, the BMW had like reverse
sharply the driver was sayed into the lay by so
in reverse like trying to get the think of U,
turn and get the fuck out of there. The wheels
had gone stick in the gravel and as they try

(01:03:03):
to make a getaway, so the car had gotten stuck there.
The car is still running the it's in neutral, but
someone is just jammed on the gas pedal, so it's
just revving up. All the doors are locked with the
three dead bodies inside. Police said that the shooter had
originally been in the woods but had come out into

(01:03:24):
the road.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
To kill everyone. So relice come.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
They're investigating the whole thing, and they cording off the area.
Eight hours later, as they're still investigating the whole scene
and the bodies had still been in the car, a
specialist forensic investigator finds four year old Zana Zana, she's
the youngest daughter of the all Hilly family, hiding beneath

(01:03:49):
her dead mother's legs and.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Skirt in the back of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
No unharmed, So she had been hiding that whole time,
including the eight hours where they were trying to figure
out what happened. They had seen one child seat in
the car, and they had one child at the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah, can you fuck you imagine that poor medical investigator.
I thinks he's opening the door or she's opening.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
The door, or finally removing the body after like photographing everything.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Four year old.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I just was at my friend's house today and he's
his three year old came home while we were leaving.
I yeah, okay, sorry, oh so so clues at the
scene point to a lone killer who had already been
near the layby.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
When the all Hilly family arrived, and they had been
in a seemingly random drive. Again, like I said, they
came from their campsite that was by Lake Annisey, which
is like this fucking gorgeous sound. The local cyclist Molier,
he was also on a totally random ride on a
route that he had never taken before, so the whole

(01:05:00):
thing seemed random. It was speculated by the whole scene
that the al Hilly family had been tart the target
of the whole thing, and that they were shot first,
and the cyclist happened on the scene and was killed
as a result of being in the wrong place at
the wrong time, so he just showed up, and that
eyewitnesses said that neither the car or the cyclist was

(01:05:24):
being followed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
So there's another dude.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
The dude who came upon the scene was coming up
the road had gotten passed by both that other cyclist
and the car and was like nobody was following them.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Oh so he was like the slower cyclist. Yeah, yeah,
and he like found that. He says he got to
the scene, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Like suddenly putting together what happened as he's trying to
help the girl and then he's like, well, I'm about
to get shot, like he yeah, he says in this
documentary that I saw I was like, well, I wonder
what it's going to be feeling, and it's going to
feel like to get shot bike because he was positive, Yeah,
because it's just it just happened because he had seen them.
Motives quickly are thrown about by the media who fucking

(01:06:02):
freak out about this case, both in England and in France.
So both the Saied and Sylvian worked in the nuclear
in nuclear industry jobs. Mollier at one of the largest
suppliers of nuclear components in the world, and al Hali
in the past as an Iraqi in Iraq as an
engineer on sensitive topics and currently in the UK involved

(01:06:25):
in nuclear and satellite technology, and there was sensitive files
found on his computer at work. So it was hypothesized
that this was a hit on one or both of them,
that they had intelligence that the government or another fucking
place wanted them silenced for. And then maybe one of
them got in the wrong time, they're at the wrong time,

(01:06:46):
or they were like working.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Together, who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Then two European newspapers cited anonymous German intelligence sources reporting
that Sayad's late father had smuggle cash out of Iraq
for Saddam Hussein and stashed it in a Swiss bank account.
But it was soon found that Sylvian Moliere was on

(01:07:10):
a three year leave of absence from his job and
he was just a welder at the nuclear plant.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
That's the cyclist.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yeah, okay, and he didn't have access to anything that
would be interests to criminals, nor did Sayid have access
to any classified secrets or anything satellite related that would
be of interest to any terrorist cell. But of course
the fucking media had gone crazy and we're like, this
is why this whole family.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Got killed is because terror, right, some kind of terror.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
And then while Sayad's late father, the guy who they
said had money in Iraq, he did leave cash when
he died in twenty eleven in a Swiss bank account.
It was had no ties to say what I'm saying.
It was much less than they assumed it was going
to be, so it really wasn't any connection. The next
suspect that the media and investigators targeted was Zayed al Hili,

(01:07:58):
who's the older brother of Sayed. The brothers they hadn't
spoken in almost a year except through solicitors aka lawyers, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
What we call lawyers in their right, and they were
sorting through their late father's estate, so they hadn't spoken
in a year because it was really like crazy and
fucking stressful. So like there was a fight about money
and who what.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Inheritance, which everyone's like, oh, well, clearly, there you go.
There was the money in the Swiss bank account, there
was the house. There was a house, a small studio
in Spain, and they were fighting over it. But Zaid
insisted that they were being civil about it though, and
insisted that there was no actual feud, which seems hard
to believe, right. He even defended his brother against the

(01:08:44):
suspicion that he was a spy and said the amount
of money was much smaller than was rumored. But on Friday,
September twenty eighth, the police came to his flat.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
With a search warrant.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
All the houses near his flat were evacuated and the
Royal Logistics Core bomb Disposal Unit was summoned, so like
they freaked everyone out in the neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
They were like, we got this guy. What year was this?
This is two thousand and twelve. Oh okay, okay, yeah,
twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Still, so they're evacuated, made a big scene. They said
that there was something suspicious and these are like these
I feel like these European like trade mags like this
or like gossip mags, like go crazy with whatever they have.
They're the same way we do, but in this way that's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Like no, they're they're insane, right the sun you mean,
like those magazines, they're insane.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
They're horrible, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
So this was like a big story in there, so
anything that they got they would put on there, including
that there was quote something suspicious potentially hazard found in
his house.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Can I just say one thing really quick, So you
hear about the Grenfeld Towers, which was that huge apartment
building that burned and was basically burned because it was
like if slumlords didn't there were no fire extinguishers they
were in and then there was lots of complaints and
no one did anything, and so many people died. A

(01:10:10):
firefighter who had to go in and fight that fire
posted a picture of his helmet on social media and
all these people were like, it was like going into
help ords, you know whatever or something, and somebody from
the Sun, I believe, replied, do we have permission to
use this picture for our newspaper? And the firefighter wrote back,

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not for that shit rag, and everybody was retweeting it
and faving it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
I think it's like people, because those they have such
an influence the way people see things, and they act
like it's like, look, people need to hear the story.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
But it isn't like the story. It's just this weird
biased well they.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Have like quoted sources, but there you don't know who
those sources are. Those sources haven't been confirmed as being
correct exactly. And it's like this thing of well, if
I don't put this story out in turn that to
be true. If I don't do it first, someone else
gets to it and there's no fucking point of me
putting it out. So I'm going to put it out
now and hope it's true. Yeah, and then I'll go
back and fix it if I need to or I'll

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put up the next story and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
They don't play by actual journalism roles, which is you
can't quote a source that you don't if you're not
Like it's there's certain phrasing that they use. I've just
read a thing about this where they use this phrasing
that basically just means anyone could have said this. It
could be like they could turn to somebody in the
next cube yeah and be like, hey, do you think this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
And they'd be like a source says yeah or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
There's certain buzzwords that you can look up, which is
so the frustration.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
We can go on about that it's over twenty four
hour news is that like you don't have a chance
to really research anything if you need to get something
out immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Well and everybody else depends on that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
We're trusting these sources, these these like all these news
stations as if they are when so many times we've
seen in the past couple of years they'll go with
a whole story based on a tweet.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Yeah, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
We as a person that's on Twitter all the time,
it's bullshit, Like the idea that you would base anything
on a tweet that could be from anyone doing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Anything for any reason, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Our boy Razamed actually tweeted something about that where he's like,
you hear so much about Muslim terror, but when all
apparently so many Muslim people ran into Grensfell Tower to
try to save people from that building.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
And you don't know, you don't see any headlines about that.
That drives me crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
All of those you hear about all like this thing
that happened, but you didn't hear about.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
This, you know, this bombing and fucking you know, some
town that we don't or some city in Iraq that
we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Care about because someone's decided we don't have to care.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
About, right, yeah, right, even though it's also innocent fucking
people getting killed too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yeah, So okay, well sorry, such an.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
I think it's important that we talked about that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
So they said that they found something potentially hazardous in
the house, and they found in the garden shed behind
the house, which is so ominous and like where you
make bombs.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Probably a shit, right, fertilizer, right right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
The police never announced what it was, but it turned
out to not be dangerous, and it said that they
found just a taser, which was illegal to have but
despite them not finding anything, on June and June twenty thirteen,
he was arrested. This is the brother for conspiracy to
commit murder, but he only spent one night in jail

(01:13:26):
and was never arrested again. So also the cyclist who
happened upon the scene was ruled out as a suspect
as well. Other motives that have been thrown around are
the involvement of the SAS which I had to look up,
Special Air Services of the British Army, CIA, Israeli Intelligent Intelligence,
Iraqi agents, Saddam Hussein loyalists. It was determined that the

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bullets and by the bullets in them and the gun
part of the gun handle that broke off when the
murderer pistol whipped this fucking seven year old girl who
survived and is okay now, so we can calm down
that it was a seven point six millimeter Luger manufactured

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between nineteen oh nine and nineteen forty seven, and it's
type of gun that was issue to Swiss Army reservists
in the nineteen twenties and thirties, So a fucking like
really rare gun. Yeah. Then the other thing was that
there was a connection.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
So the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Ick ball the wife, she who died, She then it
came out, was secretly married, had a first secret husband
in America that they kind of died, you know, they
not died. They married for a green card. It wasn't
about anything. The husband didn't even know what turned out,
So you didn't even know. That same day that she

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got killed, he died a heart attack.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
The husband in America. Yeah, he had a heart issue
and then drove into a tree and died. Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
No right, no, same day Nope, but it's later ruled
out as a coincidence.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Bullshit. Okay, well, what do you think happened then.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
That it's someone got Michael Clayton. They just stuck a
needle in his neck or some weird thing that and
then he crashed into a tree.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
So she's a dentist.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
What if she like implanted some like little thing in
there and like as soon as she if I ever die,
you're going to die too, Like if my.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Heart stops feeding like it was her thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Yeah, Like if my heart stops beating, that thing and
your cheese are never you can never have me killed?

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Or what if they were just really in love or
what if they just died in the same day, or
what if? Hold on, there's five more. Let's that's what
this whole fucking story is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
This is a fucking major When you first.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
Said it, I was like, I know what this is,
and now I no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
I think, you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Can we edit this dance? Stephen?

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
I meant to say at the banning, you ready for
a hardcore murder mystery. I fucking totally meant to say
that to get y'all amped, and I fucking forgot to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Let's start over, Just keep just plow, go ahead. You
can do this, Karen, It's already happening. Are you ready
for a hardcore murder mystrast? Yeah? Next suspect halfway through? Yeah,
well now I'm ready here. Now it gets deep, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Patrice Mengaldo, So, the sister of the cyclist who died
at the scene, told police that she was in an
on again, off again seven year relationship with an ex
foreign French Foreign Legion sniper named Patrice Mengaldo. He had
been given just a standard interview as a witness because

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he was a local, but he was not a suspect.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
But then he wasn't a suspect.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Twenty one months after the killing, leaves a suicide note
saying he couldn't handle being considered a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Suspect and shoots and kills himself. What yeah, not being
he wasn't a suspect.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
He said he can't handle being a suspect, considered a suspect,
which he wasn't, and he was a fucking sniper, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Okay, Michelle michel Hecht. In twenty sixteen, retired police captain
turned private detective Pascal Hutch, who I want to fucking
hang out with. He tipped investigators off to this nineteen
eighty six murders of school teachers Paul Bellian who was

(01:17:23):
twenty nine and Lorraine Galsby, twenty eight, of Derbyshire. So
these two school teachers, these like sweet Evan Angels. They're
fucking engaged and shit, they're on a cycling holiday holiday
when they fucking disappeared. Their bodies are later found in
a shallow grave in a May's field in Brittany. That's
corn corn aka corn. They had been found back to

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back gang and they had been shot with a hunting
rifle and the case had been unsolved for almost three years,
and the French detective thought that the similarities were really interesting,
and in fact, the mother of arraigned the girl, the
young woman who had died, said that the moment she
heard about the murders in Annisy, she thought the cases
were linked because there were so many similarities.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Yeah, The main suspect in those murders is fifty three
year old Belgian Michael Hecht.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
What's m I c h E L Michel? Isn't that
Michael Michael Michael, mister Hecht. Where you can Michel from Michel?
Michael Michael, go Michael. Edit that's David. Well, I can't
remember now, in like I can't remember in French class
that what they probably didn't teach you that. I think

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Michael in French as Michelle.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Right, yeah, Okay, Well, he had been jailed in two
thousand and eight, this fucking dude trying to for trying
to kill his own family.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
Whoa He shot at his brother, sister in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Law, and their baby, and they none of them died,
but they had all been injured. He so he had
been in jail in two thousand and eight, and he
had been let out of jail for that ten months later.
Because and I don't understand this. He had already been
on remand for three years. Maybe he had already spent

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three years in jail, so they let him out. I
don't think, I know, sounds insane.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
For the same Oh so they're like, look, you've done
your time. Yeah for almost trying to kill your whole family,
including a baby.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Okay, So hect Allegedly he confessed to the killings of
the school teacher as while he was in jail to
a dude who was there, but the judge ruled it
inadmissible and the DNA from that murder was lost. So
he now lives in France. Fuck because it's like, what

(01:19:46):
does it look like vases loss?

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Yeah, that sounds good, okay, and it's two hours from Anissy.
That's where he lives now, okay, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
So they noted that the shooter had fired twenty one times,
mostly at this vehicle that was moving.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Seventeen bullets hit people. Out of twenty one, not one
of those bullets hit the frame or the doors, or
the fenders or any other part of a moving car.
Eight of them were head shots.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Shit, So it made investigators think that it was a professional.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Two in the head, which is the way special apps
and assassined are trained to do. So it's the keach
of them got two in the fucking head. He didn't
hit the car, Like, can you imagine we would just
be like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Shooting the sun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Well yeah, well even a person that probably like is
a hunter has experience you a moving car.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Yeah shit yeah, and they're like one guy in the
front seat, two people in the backseat.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
So anyways, it's been five years since the murder. The
brother of side was asking is now asking. He's like
in it still. He's like, I didn't fucking do it.
He's kind of a bad ass. He's like, I didn't
fucking do it. Fuck all of you. No, I'm not
coming in for more questioning because you have no you
don't know what you're doing. I think the French police

(01:21:09):
don't want it to be a French suspect. The English
police don't want to be in English aspects, so no
one's working together and this is awful, and so he's
asking for a review from the British High Court judge.
He thinks the French police know who committed the murders
and that the dead cyclist Sylvian Molaire was the target
and that his brother and his family were in the

(01:21:31):
wrong place at the wrong time. So finally, and this
is what I think fucking happened personally. On February eighteenth,
twenty fourteen, a forty eight year old local man was
arrested and made after a sketch is shown and made
public of a bearded man who had been seen in

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the area on a motorcycle that same day. Ooh, so
when the cyclist is riding up the hill tend to
find this fucking murder, he sees a motorcycle going down
the other way. Oh, and this person had never come
forward even though it was a big case obviously any witnesses.
So they have a sketch composite of him. They finally
fucking release it. Two years later. It's a bearded man

(01:22:13):
and a motorcycle helmet, and they find a dude who
they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Naming, who bears a striking.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Similarity as a forty eight year old man between the photos.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
He drives a motorcycle.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
They searched his home and found a quote cachet of
vintage weapons, including a Lugar handgun, although it's not the
same one that killed the families. The family he had
been a police officer, but had been dismissed recently before
the murders in June because of angry issues. H oh,

(01:22:51):
so he was released without charge after questioning. So what
I think happened? And it's so fucking annoying because nobody
wants to believe this. What's the simplest answer, fucking road rage? Oh,
they cut him off?

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Cut him off?

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Or the reason there was no there's no reason given
why they would have pulled into the turnoff to begin with,
you know where they had to make the U turn
to go and try to go the other way there
where they got stuck and killed. There's no reason given
why they would have done that. So perhaps they they
were speeding or someone was speeding and almost hit each other,
and so he vears off the road into this turnoff

(01:23:24):
where they pull over to be.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Like talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Okay, maybe they're both fucking angry people and are yelling
at each other. Yeah, and then the cyclist comes on
the scene at the exact time he starts to kill
the family.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Whoa road rage? I mean, that is very viable. Does
that seem yes?

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Or?

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
But I think this was Do you want to hear
my verse? First?

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Fucking always yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Well just from the beginning. And also, this sounds really familiar.
You haven't done this one before, No, it sounds so familiar.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
I feel like I've seen it. You probably heard me
think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
I bet you've told me about it, Like yeah, personally,
but but I but maybe I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Just saw it on like yeah, it's yeah, it's not
a lot of them because I.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Think the fact that the cyclist who was murdered has
more gunshot wounds.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Yeah, to me, it's like that's the that's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
The anger one, and that's the he's the target, and
then the other ones were wrong place, one wrong time,
and he's just getting rid of witnesses. And if he's
some kind of a creepy psychopath, it's not like he's going,
oh no, it's a family or anything. He's like, take
out those witnesses, take out children, pistol whip a seven
year old, whatever the fuck his deal is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Well, here's what And I think you have a really
good point, which is that the cyclist is the one
exposed and he still gets seven gunshot wounds.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Yeah. People in the car are in a car and
only get two. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
And the other thing is that the dad and the
daughter who got pistol whip were outside of the car
when the shooting has happened. So for some reason they
were talking to either the cyclists or the killer. But
the other thing is they didn't ever mention anything in
the police report about there being motorcycle tracks anywhere. Oh
so this whole time I thought it was like a
sniper in the woods. But you know, maybe there are

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motorcycle tracks that are keeping secret or something like that
for investigation purposes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Maybe he knows, like if just say he was responsible
for the one the cyclists who are murdered thirty years before,
he has a real good system. He knows, you know,
like he peels out in a certain way where it
covers his track, or just something that where he doesn't
park in dirt, he doesn't park in an invented, inventable
surface or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Also, here's this, why would a father let his seven
year old get out of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
The car to talk to a road rage situation like
that would be a classic stay in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
I will take care of that totally. So that doesn't totally.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
It could be the thing of like, oh what does
that man have over you know?

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
I mean, like it sounds so innocent.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Or even like we're lost, can you help us? And
it's just some fucking psychopath, like they were a fucking
ran up. I mean, and if they're Arabic, he could
be a fucking racist piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
It could be a racist piece of shit, for sure.
It's a psycho.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
But why do you shoot this the guy that comes
upon the scene five times, or the or the secondary person,
the non family car person. Why host a couple times
as opposed to the two clean kill shots to the head,
which this guy can do in a moving car, so.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
He clearly can do it to guy on a bike.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Yeah, why does that guy get three more extra?

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
What makes sense? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Right, I don't know that just there's something to that. Yeah,
Also he doesn't. It sounds like he did the family
last because he didn't stick around to finish off.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
The seven year old or know that the four year
old was in the car. He ran out of bullets,
which is why he pistol with the seven year old.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
It sounds like she got shot early on in the shoulder,
so maybe he was panicking.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Then she got pistol whipped right before he left. Okay,
who the fuck? Yeah? Yes, can beat a seven year
old with a gun. Yeah, yeah, because they couldn't kill her.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
And the other thing is that maybe the reason he
shot and had to make sure that the cyclist was
killed first was because.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
He's the one who had the easiest getaway a bike.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yeah, not if that guy was on a motorcycle, right, true,
I mean yes to me, okay to me, it's this,
go with me on.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
This, let's do it. I'm here, I'm there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
The the people are already parked at the turn thing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
What do you call that layout or lay about? They
called it a layabout, but it's like for us, it's
like like to let someone pass you a shoulder, shoulder,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
They're pulled over because they're like, look, we're gonna go
look to go down and look at the river. We're
gonna take a picture, take a family picture, some whatever something,
some nature thing. They hear something, and it's like, everybody,
get in the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Car, we got to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Then the motorcycle and the cyclist situation comes up and
boom boom boom boom boom, like it all kind of
culminates in front of the car, and that maybe they're
all ducked down in the car like stay quiet or whatever, and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
They are panicking to get the fuck out of there. Yes,
in the car in such a way that I hated
to fucking mention this. And the cyclist is dead like
by the time he hits the ground, but they kind
of dragged him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
A little bit because they rolled over him. Yeah, like
they were in such a hurry to get they were
freaking out to get out of there, which means they
were killed. Second, yeah, okay, oh yeah yeah, And there
was on the on this on side's foot on the
bottom of his shoe was the cyclist's blood, so he

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was definitely out of the car at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Oh okay, okay, sorry, god, no, no, no, no, this
is I mean, this couldn't have more details in it,
It couldn't be more involved. So that basically is like
what if it's this that family's coming down out of
the woods on the on across the street or whatever
their shit is in the lay about they come upon
as they're walking.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
They're not walking though, because this first cyclist that came
upon them remembers them passing him at like like recently
they passed him.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
So they pulled into that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Lay about like like pretty quickly before they got killed.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Okay, So okay, so it was they weren't off. Maybe
they pulled over the daughter had to pee. That's why
they're both out of the car, him and his daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Maybe why doesn't the mother go that's weird? Yeah, especially
seven year old.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Yeah, but also if okay, also.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
What happens fast if they come up on say it's
a guy on a motorcycle holding a gun on a cyclist.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Oh, and they pull over like this is bad because
it's the guy who likes to kill cyclists.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Yeah, so he has some weird it's say it's a
cyclist serial killer. They come upon the act. The only
thing is you wouldn't get out of the car. Well,
they wouldn't have pulled over. Probably yeah, they would have
like gunned it for the police. But if he was
still alive, they may have because they.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Like, I'm a guy with a gun with your family
in the car. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Even know if I would do that. I would just
fucking drive full force into the gunman.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
But what if the guy?

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
But what if the guy you would then become your
I would probably do that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Knowing nothing about it. You're like, I'm probably just gonna
kill this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
But it's the other guy who's the killer, and they're like,
thanks for killing the other person.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
We're making a short film. What are you doing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
There's a camera to the motors. Cameraman is just like
a sniper up in the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Yeah, dude, this one's always you know, I love cold
cases and unsolved shit, and this one is just like.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
This is exactly why.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
It's just like, I just don't think it's the complicated
answers and if there are, if it is one of them,
they're very you could see them being the right answer.
Those two suspects are you know, it's definitely not the
fucking not that they're engineers and they had government secrets,
and it's not the brother.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
I really really don't think so well.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
I mean, I feel like they would have if they
found something at the brother's house, everyone would know about
it because that would be victory. And they would have
if they could have, they would have pinned anything on
that brother that would have lived in court.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
And obviously if there's nothing there, there's nothing there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
And he made a really good point himself, and he's
like he's kind of happy to talk to the news
all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
He's one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Yeah, but he was like, if someone were if they
were going to actually be a sniper and a hit
on my brother, they why would they can kill him
in another country with his entire family. They would have
killed him two shots to the head while he was
leaving work or like out and about. They wouldn't have
This is such a messy fucking kill. Yeah, it's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
And the kid to kill the whole family like for
government secrets, Yeah, unless it's I mean sometimes they do
that with killing the main guy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
It sounds yes, exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
It's like a mafia thing like, yeah, it's not that
because everybody goes everybody there is murdered and but one
person is overkilled. Yeah, it's very interesting that thing of
like the very clean military.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Two shots to the head and two and it's it's
such it's like one of the women were shot in
the forehead, like it's so exact.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
They're like a good shoot, yeah, shoot, a good shoot.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
And also that they're not ducking like obviously they're sitting
there and was the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Little daughter already under her mom's legs. I bet you
she and mother was like get under here. You know,
she probably saw what was happening outside the car, had
great instincts jammed her under there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Yeah, maybe even did it just like the beginning of
you pull up and there's weird Yeah, some weird vibe happening,
and it's like get over here by me. Yeah, you know,
I'm kind of oh man, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
So the story is that the the brother still sees
his niece's Zanibe. The older daughter had been shot. She
made a full recovery and she and her younger sister, Zina.
They now live in England with their maternal aunt and uncle.
And the older daughter says she doesn't remember most of

(01:33:44):
the attack. They're like trying to get her to remember it,
only that. She says that there was only one bad man,
and she remembers her father screaming to get in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
That's why she out of the car. I don't know.
That's the annisinth shootings. That means that he was in
the car. No, he was out of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Get in the car. Yeah, out of the car, get
in the let's get in the car. Like, get in
the car. So maybe she did run out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
To pee, yeah, and he and he yeah, he just
got out.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Good god, I know that's we're going to find out.
I feel like we're going to find out and have
an update on this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
It's so intense.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
It's also that frustrating thing of like somebody say, you,
I don't remember you said what like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Nationality they were or they were from Iraq.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
So things like that happen, and people are victimized by
a killer, but it suddenly goes into yeah victimly, yes
you're a terrorist, Yeah, what did you do? What secrets
did you steal?

Speaker 3 (01:34:44):
Right whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Anytime a fucking Muslim gets killed, it's because what did
you do?

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
What terror cell? Did you belong to?

Speaker 6 (01:34:52):
Where?

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
No, also think of it like how many people not
people I know, but like how many people have jobs
where you could kind of connect it back to something.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
Everybody has secrets.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Everybody has something mysterious in their life or in their
past that if you choose to look at that and
blow it up, yeah, that you could. I mean Jesus,
that's the thing. And this is what we talked about earlier.
It is just that the racial profiling will never make
it fair to any of any kind of racial profiling,
no matter what it is. It's like, it's never going

(01:35:26):
to make it fair to fucking to it's never going
to get you answers. No, it's well, the main problem
with it is there is we all suffer from implicit
bias because our brain makes decisions for us. It's old,
it's reptilian, but it's that thing where you have to
decide are you safe or not and why, and that

(01:35:48):
implicit bias. Culturally, we have been told for years people
of a certain ilk, people of a certain color are dangerous.

Speaker 6 (01:35:57):
That's the messaging, and that is the best and even
different just someone don't even know how to. We don't
know how to what's it called anticipate what their actions
are going to be because we don't know who they are.
They're different somehow when they're just humans.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yes, well, and it's that you've seen the video of
like the white boy with an AK forty seven in
the middle of the street and the cops are like,
put the gun down, with the gun down, and they
wait and they talk to him, and it goes on
and fucking on and everything, and they finally get the
gun away from him.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
That's because they look at that person.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
That looks like them and they're like, this is fine,
we can handle that threat.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Meanwhile, you've got.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
A person who is a registered gun over gun owner
who pulls over and there is a child in the car,
and they fucking shoot shoot into a car seven times,
like thirty seconds after he gets pulled over, and thirty
seconds after he's pulled.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Over, and the fucking cop gets acquitted. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
I mean, the only good part about it not that
there is a good part about that murder. The good
part about the world we live in now, and as
hard as it is to live in the world we
live in now, is just like after uh, you know,
this is a it's gonna sound bad, I for say,
but like after a facial when all of a sudden
you're so broken out that it's insane, pulls all the

(01:37:17):
shit up.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
It's the same fucking thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
For years people said to black people there's no such
thing as racial profiling.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
There's not no, you don't get pulled over.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
As I get, it's all the same, all lives matter, bullshit.
Nobody can say. I mean, people will say that still,
they'll insist. But I think more and more people are
waking up to the fact this is an undeniable truth
about a large swath of our population who are pinpointed
and victimized because of the way they look, and not

(01:37:49):
just victimized like somebody was rude to me. They're fucking
being murdered in the street.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
And murder is the murders the word, it's not, it's murdering.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
I remember telling my sister and I were talking about it,
and I was like, I just read a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
I don't want to Uh. He was.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
He was.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
He's the lunch man at a school.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
And I know he knew all the allergies, the kids
who had allergies, he knew them. He made sure that
they didn't get that food they know, like peanut allergy
or whatever. Like.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
He just this idea that we're just.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
Taking out people based based on and and it's.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
The uh uh. There's a really good quote of.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
The the bad cops should be afraid of the good.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Cops and not the other way around.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
It's this thing of not all cops are this way,
but the ones that are. If we have to stop
saying that's okay that they are. If you're trained, the
training needs to be such that you don't just murder
people because you're scared.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Right, And even if the guy was a fucking drug
dealer and not a fucking school teacher or the lunch guy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
It's like, you still can't fucking sho can't murder people
without any just cause? Right, it's that yeah, man.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Because you have you're having a reaction, right, because you're scared,
because you're not a human in the fucking world.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Let's sit here tonight and saw this. Yeah, let's sit here.
It's so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
And also just the person we're talking about is Philander
Castile who was murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Yeah, and so we should say that name. Yeah. Uh,
you know, Let's stop murdering each other.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Yeah, ironically enough, let's stop murdering.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Let's one of the good people like us, stand be
in charge like us.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Fuck, no, are you crazy? We're such good people and
we're back. Are there updates for this case?

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
There are updates. It's such a confounding case. On February
fifth of this year, twenty twenty five, French investigators introduced
a new theory in this case that the family were
targets of a season former soldier who was trained by
the Swiss special forces. The soldier appeared to be staying
at a campsite near the family and left the day

(01:40:16):
of the murders. French investigators said the contract the same
individual to a campsite six miles away from the murder
of Xavier Balligant that occurred one year prior to the
anc murders. Xavier was murdered three hundred miles away from Annisey.
This murder also occurred using a rare Swiss weapon. Police
had also been investigating the potential theory that serial killer

(01:40:37):
nor Lyn lelandeis an ex soldier who was the main
suspect in other murders that occurred in the area. Lelandis
has been in custody since twenty seventeen and is suspected
of kidnapping and murdering a young girl and killing a hitchhiker.
And twenty twenty, investigators received a judicial expertise report back
from a British forensic psychiatrist with a profile of the

(01:40:58):
gunmen suspected in the Animal Sea shootings. It said he
was probably in his thirties to forties, was accustomed to failure,
lived alone, was underemployed, and had a previous criminal record. Then,
in April of twenty twenties, and Knob told her aunt
she remembered being grabbed by a man of average build
who had bitten fingernails, and a year later she gave

(01:41:19):
more detail, saying she remembered a man shouting at her
to get back in the car before a fair skinned
man dressed in leather grabbed her, and that senior, her
younger sister, described the attacker as a bald, fair skin
European male between the ages of forty five to fifty five,
with badly shaven facial hair, blue eyes, and gray hairs
on his round face and actually benderdict. Cumberpatch is set

(01:41:43):
to produce a six part limited series based on the
events called The Annisse Murders. So hopefully that'll do what
the Yogurt Shop documentary did and bring more attention to
this case, so they'll put more resources on it, and
hopefully it can finally get solved.

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
Yeah, that'd be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Okay, well, now let's head back so we can wrap
up the show.

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
All right, Well, do you have anything fucking positive in this?
You go no, I'm mad?

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Oh no, Okay, Well, so I'm trying to stay off
social media, and I especially because I haven't sew yet
and it's really fucked up and it makes it makes
it worse when I read stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
So it's all bad news. It's just all bad news.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
So I'm trying to read more because I really love reading,
and it's I've realized it's just become this thing that
I don't fucking do anymore because I'm so like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Reading a book.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Yeah, reading a book, which is like one of my
fucking joys in life, aside from cats.

Speaker 3 (01:42:37):
So I found two now, which I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Really excited about, and so I'm like, which I never
do this, I'm like toggling between them because one's spooky
and creepy and one's like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
Not. So the two I'm reading right now. We talked
about this.

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
She did a story on one of our minisodes, but
it's called Startup by Dori Schaffreers. I like just started
reading it and I'm like more than halfway done. It's
so fucking good. It's about like these fucked up tech
people in the modern world, and what will make you
want to do is like not ever look at your
phone again.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
So it's really helpful. It's a novel or yeah, based
on it's a novel, and it's like it's like millennial
techies in New York and how and it's these different
stories about each of them. And it's just like it
makes you glad for who you are anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
And this is she's married to Matt Myra. Yes, that's
how I know who she. I've never met her, yea,
but I know her husband.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
And she's like a senior tech editor at BuzzFeed for years.
So she's like, this book is clearly like really well done.
It's it's really fucking intriguing good and I love it.
And then the creepy, fucking scary one that I'm totally
I can't read that la because I'm scared, is called, uh,
it's called Black Mad Wheel, and it's by Josh Mallerman,

(01:43:54):
which is actually a friend of Vince's from Michigan, and
he wrote this incredible book called The Bird Box. It's creepy,
fucked up and post apocalyptic, and this one's Black Mad
Wheel and it's fucking creepy and it's about like this
noise that the government comes to like make this Jude
who's a musician, find out where the noise is coming from,
because it's like making nuclear shit not work anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
And it's just like super spooky. Ooh, that's awesome. So
fucking reading and getting out of this is making is
helping me. That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Yeah, that's very good. What about you the positive thing?
Oh well, this is okay. I will say it this way.
So I one night, and we've talked about the podcast,
I crashed my car as I was leaving our recording total.
I totaled the old Honda fit it got totaled.

Speaker 3 (01:44:45):
You didn't total it. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
It was in a car accident that then totaled the
because it was relatively worthless.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
If only dog.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
Hair was worth money, would have been the most expensive
car in Los Angeles, but U the case. So since
that time, and I think that was last November December,
it was a long time ago, I haven't had a car.
So I've been like taking lyft and taking over and
just doing whatever for a while at a rental car,

(01:45:14):
and I was spending so much money a week, like
an idiot, like whatever. Well, I finally called my sister
because then I started researching cars and car prices and
which ones are reliable whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
And then it got worse, so overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Then I could not make a decision, and I was like,
but I'm not a BMW person, but I don't want
to buy. I don't want to spend a bunch of
money on a kind of mediocre whatever. Finally I called
my sister because I was going to go home.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
For Father's Day.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
I did go home for Father's Day. I called my
sister and I was like, can you please help me?
And she I think for so long, like my mom
was sick for so long, and we were also stressed
out for so long, and we were all just trying
to get by for so long that like my sister
and I would fight over nothing and then wed have
to like stop talking for a while because.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
It was just bad.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
It's bad attention at tension and guilt and like everything.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
It was like nobody's nobody was happy right for twelve
years and that was it ended two years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Uh you know, you know, which is a good thing
ultimately so. But but I finally realized this is one
of the main things my sister and I fight about,
is how fucking controlling she is. Like I have to
ask her to unlock the car door so I can
get out, and it makes me so mad, like, oh,
I have all these yeah, I have all these things

(01:46:37):
where like if the car door is locked when I
try to get out of it, I am immediately enraged.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
I'm the same way when I try to get into it,
you're coming to pick me up, or we're walking to
the car together, Andy and I have and I try
to open the handle and it doesn't fucking open, and
you know, I'm there, dude, I totally get it, Like
why I just the like pull up of the handle
and it doesn't open immediately it makes me fear, how

(01:47:03):
dare you?

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
And for me, the pull of the car door and
it doesn't open is like immediately I want to scream.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
I'm not six years old like a six year old would.

Speaker 2 (01:47:14):
So anyway, I just texted my sister or called her,
I can't remember, and I said, please help me buy
a car, and she.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Fucking basically delivered a new.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Car into my hands. And it was so awesome because
I felt guilty. I was only going up for this
basically forty eight hours to see my dad. I knew
that was going to take a huge chunk of time,
which would in the past make her mad, but not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
She couldn't act mad, so it would be like all
that stuff God's sister.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
So instead I was like, can you please help me,
like I can't take another uber and she was like,
I got you. Yeah, and delivered well or just we're
all good at something different.

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
Well exactly, and she goes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
I said, thank you for momming me through this, and
she was like, it's my favorite thing to do. It's
like we basically figured out the good points of those
things instead of all always the bad.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
You used her her powers of being a control freak
for good.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Yes, And I got to get my baby. Somebody helped
me out and it worked, and it worked. You kind
of you asked for help and it and it was
delivered and.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
I didn't get kicked in the goddamn teeth. So anyway, now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
I have a new car and I love it, and
I can make calls from my steering wheel and all
these things that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
Modern people just seem to do. You just got a
new flip phone and taped it, taped it to your
steering wheels. I got a new phone, and I got
a new car and it has a phone in it. Yeah,
it's a fucking sweet car. And it's made me want
to buy a new car too. It's nice. It's well also,
just you have to have a car.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
You have to. I mean, I was I would do
things like I wouldn't have groceries and I'd be like,
I have to figure out the next time I go
to Georgia's and I take an uber home, Right first,
I'm gonna I'm to walk.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
To the grocery store and then I'll get the uber
like shit like that where it's like, this is me,
let's make my life harder. That's what I'm all about.
I like to stack problems and never solve.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
My therapist is like, spend your fucking money, even if,
like whatever money you have, spend a little chunk of
it to make your life fucking easier. Because you're always
stressed out about making about life being hard.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
That's right, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
It's so true, Like you have to remind yourself of
the good part of what you have. Like there's lots
of things to be stressed out about it if you
work really hard and you work all the time and
that's your life, I get it, and I do the
same thing. Take the money that you make and instead
of being paranoid about not having this or that, spend

(01:49:45):
that money so you understand what the good part about
working hard.

Speaker 1 (01:49:49):
Is for dude, And that's happened to me today. Get
your fucking house cleaned professionally, your apartment cleaned once a month. Oh,
I don't care how small your apartment is. Fucking brain changing, Yeah,
the right, good idea, it's brain changing. I'm gonna do
that chemistry change.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Also, I have to get a handyman to come and
pick up the couch that's just laying on my patio.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
No one makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
I'm a little Sandford and Son at my house just
because I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
It's that thing. I'm gonna have to call my sister
stuff like. That's hard.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
It's hard sometimes, man, We're just everyone's just doing our best. Yeah,
everyone's trying to do Stephen's best. But that's I wish.
I wish I could do Stephen's best.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Stephen, if you owned a truck, you could take care
of you tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:50:36):
Do you want to buy me a truck?

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yes, Brent, Stephen at you Hal Laura gets Stephen a
t Lura.

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Okay, we are back.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
So this episode was originally titled Jews Versus.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
Catholics, So if we're re naming it today, maybe we
would call it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
A Milkmaid's Constitution, which is my joke that that's how
Mary Ashford stayed out all night.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
We could call it Georgia's early rave days, the remix
that Stephen made.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
And then of course aka Korn, which is the joke
we made about Mace.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
All right, thank you, guys for listening to another episode
of rewind Let's say goodbye back in the good old
shitty days of twenty seventeen, you guys is more than anything.
Thank you for fucking listening and being good people, hopefully
even you skippers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
Skippers and especially you Satanists.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
Yay, say sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Elvis, you want cookie. Bye,

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