October 21, 2025 • 44 mins
Rep. Maxwell Frost doesn’t just represent a new generation in Congress; he represents the lived struggles of so many Americans. From being racially profiled as a teenager to getting denied housing after winning his election, Frost brings every ounce of that experience into the policies he fights for.
In this deeply personal episode hosted by Martin Luther King III, Arndrea Waters King, Marc Kielburger and Craig Kielburger, Rep. Frost is joined by his father, Patrick Frost — the man who taught him to lead with empathy, express vulnerability, and use music to listen as much as speak.
Together, they reveal how:
- Lived experience is the most underused political qualification
- Vulnerability creates trust, and trust creates movements
- Personal injustice can become public impact
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Spending time with people my age who had just lost blocked,
ones that were murdered in a school due to gun
violence changed my whole life.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Maxwell Frost made history as the first Gen Z member
elected to Congress, but long before the Capitol, he helped
build one of the largest youth led movements this country
has ever seen.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And I got to the point where I said, you
know what to change the politics, We need to change
the politicians.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
From gun violence to the housing crisis to racism. Congressman
Frost confronts the challenges defining a generation.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
No, I try to be in the moment with people.
There's real pain in this country, and we were in
this place where the wealthiest among us owned the most,
and they want us to blame each other.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Joined by his dad and biggest cheerleader, Patrick Frost.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
If you tell Max he can't do it, that's you're
just putting fuel on the fire.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Join hosts Martin Luther King the Third, Andrea Waters King,
Mark Kilberger, and Craig Kilberger. We're an unfiltered conversation with
Congressman Maxwell Frost about courage, compassion, and creating change.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
He ended up being one of the biggest stories about
me to this day. I mean, I'll be walking around
a street of a random city and somebody will come
up and be like, honey, did you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Welcome to my Legacy. Today's guest is Congressman Maxwell Frost.
His journey from organizing to the halls of Congress was
inspired by family, faith, and the fight against injustice. Congressman
Frost were thrilled to have you with us here today.
And as you know, at my Legacy, we don't only
invite extraordinary individuals, we ask them to invite someone who
knows them incredibly. Well, would you do us the honor
(01:43):
of introducing us to your plus one today?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Wow? Well, thank you so much for having me on.
So today I have none other than my dad, Patrick Frost,
who is you know, one of the biggest reasons I'm
a congressman today. You know, ever since I was literally born,
there's always been music in the house. That a lot
of people don't know this, but I'm a musician. My
(02:06):
whole life, I've really been a drummer. And my dad
has a love of both music and politics that I
have today, and so some of my most fond memories
are getting to perform with him all around Orlando, learning
about what music is, but not just on a page,
but on a deeper level as well. And you know,
something I always talk about is the fact that my
dad invited me to be vulnerable with him as we
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listen to music throughout my life, which I know, especially
as a young man, is something that maybe it took
for granted growing up, but as I speak with a
lot of people my age and older, I find out
that I was one of the luckiest people in the
world to have grown up with someone who invited me
to be vulnerable, to put my heart on a table
through the arts and so here with my dad, Patrick Frost.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I love that that is awesome. As a dad myself
a heart kind of like, you know, swelling a little
bit here.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Of that one exactly, you know.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
And we've had so many different common nations on the show,
but I believe this is our first father son combination.
So this is very exciting to have you all both
on with us today. And also we're very excited because
for our family March for our lives is you know,
something that's so close and dear to our heart. From
(03:19):
our daughter speaking, we've worked with you all, We've seen
you all in so many iterations over the years, so
it really feels like being with family today. And Congressman Frost,
one of the beautiful things that you speak about is
your multi cultural background. So not only are you the
first gen Z congressman elected, but I believe you're also
(03:42):
the first Afro Cuban elected to Congress. And you talk
about how your parents were open with you from the
beginning about being adopted at birth. How did that shape
your sense of identity growing up?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Interesting because my my yeah, my parents were always open
with me about it. Now, to be honest, as you
can see, I think we kind of knew too from
a young age. And but my dad and my mom always, uh,
you know, offered to give me, you know, more information
stuff like that, and to be honest, and and Dad,
(04:17):
I'm muchure if you remember too, Like when I was
growing up in church, there was a group of like
adoptees that I would there. You know, it wasn't like
a support group, but it was like a Sunday school
kind of thing. And I always felt like the auto
man out because you know, I was adopted at birth
and I never really had this want to find out
more if that makes sense, and it it didn't come
(04:39):
from like a negative place. I just didn't. I didn't
really care, like I have my mom and my dad,
my sister who's my life and uh and uh and
so I never really, you know, looked for more information.
It really wasn't until I was thinking about running for
Congress that I went to my dad and my mom
and asked them for some more information. To be honest,
up until a few years ago, I've been saying that
(05:00):
it's because I wanted to dig into my past to
feel inspired. But the real reason is because somebody who
has helped mentor me at different points said, Max, you
need to look in your past and see what's in
there before you run for office. You know, Yeah, you
gotta do some research. And so I spoke with my
dad and mom about it. But you know, part of
the thing is I my mom came here from Cuban
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late nineteen sixties. My dad is he'll talk more about it,
like he is a steel pan player but also a
multi instrumentalist. He's a composer, very deeply and classically musically,
training and jazz and everything. Really and so I grew
up in this multi cultural house from the music that
I heard from like soca blasting in the living room studio,
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which God bless my mom for letting my dad have
his studio in the living.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Room, and for letting you have a drum set as.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
A child, and then then for letting me become a drummer,
and even the people my dad would bring over his
friends right from all around the world, playing many different
types of music to my mom and my mom having
you know her grandma or sorry, her mom, my grandma
yea yea, who passed away a few years ago, but
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she only spoke Spanish, and so that's kind of like
one of the main reasons I would speak Spanish in
the house was to communicate with my grandma. Growing up,
every summer we go to Miami, and it was just
a normal thing. I feel like it partially grew up
in Miami just because we spent our summer's there. But
you know, it's interesting because I represent one of the
most diverse districts in Congress by far, and I feel
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like I grew up like that as well in the household,
but also in the school I went to as well.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Patrick, You've said Maxwell has been precocious and driven since
he was a toddler. Can you share a story from
his childhood that gives a glimpse into what a young
Maxwell was like.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
If I could just add though, as a dad, Patrick,
I actually have to say, I love how you were
smiling so glowing with a light bulb. That's the question
was even being asked.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The person that you see here is the same little
guy that that was, that we that was. My son
always has a plan and he's always producing. He's always
uh creating a show, creating or selling. Something I told
him one time when he was probably in junior high school,
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I said, you could go across the street to the
car dealership and make more money than I do as
a performer at your age right now. You could go
over there and and and and this is the funny thing.
When he turned about I think maybe eighteen.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
He did that.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He went across the street and got a job as
a car sales wow. And and he's said he was
doing very good. And then and here's what is they
put they and I hope I can. They brought him
into a meeting with the other car salesman and they said,
we want to teach you how to basically get people
in debt and get them to spend more money than
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they should spend because we went to sell cars and
it's so, we're going to teach you how to get
people to make a mistake in their finances and over buy.
And Max got up and walked out and came. He
came home early. I said, what are you doing. Aren't
you at work? Why are you Why did you come home?
And he goes, I quit And I said why did
you quit? He goes, because they wanted to teach me
how to cheek people. That's really the truth. And he
(08:25):
said he wouldn't do it. He said, I'm not going
to do that. So he just quit his job and
walked out. He didn't give him two weeks notice, he
just walked out the door.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Well, I love that speaks to your heart.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And I also, by the way, I love the honesty
I've passually you turning. It was like I said, okay,
if I shared this story. This is what we love
this conversation because it gets those great stories that often
you don't hear before.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Congressman, let me ask one question when when you look
back over your childhood and the fact that you always
engage with music with your dad, what did those years
of music together actually teach you about life, and how
do you apply any of that to what your job
(09:07):
is today.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Honestly, I brought this up at the beginning a little bit.
But one of the things people tell me a lot
after interviews or town halls or this and that is,
I appreciate how candid you are, and I appreciate your vulnerability.
You know, you're willing to talk about mistakes or like
the feelings you have that maybe people aren't used to
politicians kind of just saying. And I really do attribute
(09:32):
that to my dad, and I really do attribute that.
I actually to sitting in the studio, sitting in the
car listening to music and being invited to feel, you know,
being invited to express how I feel. And I remember
the first time, I think it's the first time, if
not one of the first times I ever cried to music.
And we were sitting in the studio and I think
(09:52):
I was like a round like seven eight nine or
something like that, and it was the Swan that you
played for me, which is a a solo or really
a duo with a piano, but it's a cello piece,
and and I just remember the young kids in there
crying I think we cried together at that song, and
it's and like, you know, you don't, you don't think
much of it. When you're a kid, You wipe your tears,
(10:14):
you just continue to go on. But there we had
a lot of moments like that, listening to music together,
going to concerts together, performing together. Like if you if
you go on if you go on YouTube and you
you go deep, deep, deep, you're gonna find a bunch
of videos of my dad and I performed together, usually
me auditioning for some jazz program and my dad's on
piano or whatever, and and growing and growing that. But
(10:39):
you know, for me, learning like being a musician, being
invited to be vulnerable and then being okay with putting
it out there, putting it out there in front of
my dad and then putting it out there in front
of an audience is something I'll, you know, have with
me the whole the rest of my life. In second grade,
my dad got me a drum set, which was important,
But there's actually the most important thing that he got me.
(10:59):
Even more important than rum set was the private lessons
that came with the drum set. But I always felt
like in school, at least for I had something that
a lot of other people that have. I had an
understanding of the music, not just because I, you know,
I'm better than everyone, but because of my dad, you know,
taught me how to listen to music, and I felt,
(11:20):
you know, and that's what I'm trying to say. He
taught me how to listen to music. And you know,
my band instructor in middle school, Russ Weaver, it was
very common for him to come in the band class
sixth grade. Right this is called beginner's band. Most people
in there have never really played an instrument, but they
showed proficiency and you know, music skills generally. But I
came in since the second grade playing music and having
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musician dad. And something well mister Weaver would always do
is he would play a song at the top of
the hour and just have a sit in silence and
listen to it. And that's very hard for six grades
to do. And I honestly wasn't the most well behaved
kid in the sixth grade, but when he played the song,
I would sit there at my eyes and listen to
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a degree where like I'd have friends in the percussion section,
which if you know anything about band, everyone has to
sit in their seat, but the percussionists are kind of
walking around the back being you know, you know, we
have a little bit more freedom, so we're usually making
jokes and stuff. My friends would always be like, why
so silent, Like you're always so loud and telling jokes
and stuff. But I felt like I knew how to
really listen to the music because of my dad, and
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so I don't know, that's something that really means a
lot to me, and I still play to this day.
So when I go to events, Congressman, there's a drum
set here, why don't you play it? And so I
play a lot of Or when I go to churches,
I don't even get asked. The bishop will be like,
there's the drum set, Congressman. You know, like get on it.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
So for all of our listeners, you should, if you
have a moment, go down the rabbit hole and find
young Congressman Frost and find some of his old videos
and and then let's do a contest who can find
the oldest one. Now, Patrick, Because I'm a big believer
that our children are our greatest teachers in so many capacities,
(13:11):
and I know that you've talked about many things that
you've learned from your son. In particular, you said that
raising Max, as you called him, open your eyes to
the discrimination that many minorities face. Is there one particular
story that you would like to share with us and
our audience that still sticks with you.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Max was probably maybe thirteen or fourteen, maybe fifteen years old,
and it was a Saturday afternoon, and he had gone
to the Loop, which is a shopping center near us,
probably with some friends. And he was gone for most
of the morning and part of the afternoon. And he
(13:52):
came home and he said, Dad, strangest thing happened. I
was in sports authority and I was just walking around
looking at stuff, you know, and uh I noticed this
this man. Every time I turned the corner, there was
this man was here and he was looking, watching, watching me.
And uh so, you know, when I was in college
at University of Miami, I I got into a retail security.
(14:14):
I was a store detective at a at a department
store at the shopping at the Midway Mall. And uh
I learned about store security. So when he started describing
this man kept he kept showing up wherever Max turned,
Denial and there was this guy I knew what it was.
It was a store attack and and and Max, and
I said to Max, I said, Max, that was a
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store security guard. He was watching you because he thought
you were going to steal and and and and Max
said to me, why would he Why would he think
I was going to steal and? And I I remember
putting my head that because we'd never had this kind
of conversation. And I said, Max, it's it's most likely
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because of the because of the color of your skin,
that is the most likely reason that he chose to
follow you instead of somebody else. And I remembered how
tough it was for me to telling that, and I
kind of remember looking at him and he looked confused.
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And that is the one that sticks with me more
than any and is trying to explain that to him.
And I didn't understand it because it never happened to
me that way. You know. I never went to my
mother and father when I was in junior high school
or early high school and said somebody was following me
at the wol Coast or down at the shopping center.
That never happened. It's an experience I didn't have. And
(15:40):
so I was trying to teach Max but I was
also learning myself that this is not fake, This really
happens to people of color.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Do you remember that, Max, Yeah, very well? And then
what did that moment? Also?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Did it change you and even in your parenting or
even just seeing the world, like when you see other
young black men out in the world, did it in
any way or or even like with other black parents,
did it any way impact you in that way as well?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You know, my mother and father they're both gone now.
When when we had when Max was born, you see,
we didn't Max's birth mother couldn't positively identify who the
father was. So when Max was born, we didn't realize
he was going to be mixed race. And I remember
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calling my mother and and I think that my mother
thought this whole idea of us adopting a baby from
from this woman at birth was was something that we
weren't going to go through with. It was almost I
think that she thought we were just kidding around. And
I remember calling her. She was in probably Ohio still yeah, yeah,
(16:55):
And and I said, Mom, are our son was born.
We have a son. His name is Maxwell, And she
I remember, uh somehow, And after she got a photograph,
we probably said I can't remember how we transmitted back
in nineteen ninety seven, but we sent her a picture
of some kind of and and uh, probably it was
(17:15):
kind of kind of quiet, you know, there was not
a celebratory thing happening. And what I wanted to try
and say is this, having Max in our family taught
my mother and father that they have to escape what
they grew up with. As you know, both of them
were raised on farms in the in the in the
out in the country, and they they brought ther you know,
(17:39):
I mean, it was it was an age of racism
was normal. It was normal.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
They were good.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
People that they had they had that they had that
component in them, and Max exercised that component in them
and gave them. You know, they went to heaven with
the peace that they they managed that racism, you know,
because of because of Max. You can't not love this kid,
you know, you can't not.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Love this All of America we love him.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Oh my god, Patrick, I was tearing up because it
is true and it is the reality of our world.
And I appreciate the honesty and I just appreciate the vulnerability,
Like clearly you muddeled this for your son, like we
understand where your son comes.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
From, coming up the viral story that set off ten
thousand calls, texts, and females, fueling Congressman Maxwell Frost's biggest
fight for change.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Now back to my legacy.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Congressman Frost, So fifteen years old, you have this pivotal
moment as an activist when you're out of vigil in
DC and you meet family members who lost children in
the Sandy Hook massacre. Can you share with us those
conversations that were so pivotal for your life and how
(18:54):
those impact you even today.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, you know, Samuel happened right before I was getting
ready to perform in a jazz band concert in school.
We were there at a Chili's or something, eating and
this silence falls across the whole restaurant, like a palpable silence,
and everyone's looking at each other, like what's going on?
And we see that everyone's staring at the TVs at
the bar, and we look at the TV screens and
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we see the news somebody walked into this elementary school
and murdered all these children and teachers at Sandy Hook,
And we all kind of went to the concert with
this eerie feeling. But I had an intense amount of anxiety.
I played one of the worst shows I've ever played
in my life, because you know where I was drumming
the stage doors right behind me, and I kept looking
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over at the stage door, and I couldn't stop thinking
about it. And I actually, well, this is the thing
my dad and I share. We both have kind of
obsessive personalities, and so if something gets in our mind,
we just keep thinking about. And I kept thinking about
this horrible thing that happened in Sandy Hook. I never
heard of Sandy Hook. I don't know what new Town is.
I never heard about any these places. And I went
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online and I started seeing on Facebook that, you know,
there were some young people speaking out about it. And
one of them, her name is Sarah Clements or her
mother Abby, was a teacher at Sandy Hook. She survived
the shooting. And I sent a message to Sarah. We
became kind of pen pals, and she sent me a
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form and said, we're hosting a vigil and like this
week of action in DC if you want to come,
fill this out. So I filled it out, and I
asked my parents and I filled it out. I didn't
know this until about two years ago. As a member
of Congress. I went and spoke at the vigil I
went to when I was fifteen, and the board members
told the story of how they were, you know, doing
the manifest for the bus and everything, and then they
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had this one application from a fifteen year old in
Florida that no one had ever heard of if that
was me, and they apparently they had a whole board
meeting debating should we allow him to come. He's going
to come alone, we don't know who he is. And
they decided to let me come, which you know, is
a huge decision in my life that they made because
going there to change my life. And I went alone,
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but you know, they had chaperones and everything. But spending
time with people my age who had just lost loved
ones that were murdered in a school due to gun
violence changed my whole life. And the vigil was very powerful.
But I to be honest, it wasn't even just the vigil.
It was being with them and like being kids with them.
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You know, the whole time wasn't completely five days of seriousness.
We laughed, we were telling jokes, we were bringing kids.
We were running around Capitol Hill delivering letters and inviting
people to the vigil, and then taking those first couple
days and then my last day there after the vigil
at the hotel, we were saying, like a Virginia hotel
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like a dais in or something where the pools like
in the basement, and we're all in this basement pool
waiting our feet in the water, and everyone just starts
opening up about their sibling that they lost, and I
just kind of sat there and listened to everybody. And
I remember after that, I like ran in my hotel room.
I called my mom. I was crying. I was like, Mom,
you know, this was my experience. And then I ended
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up coming home and started organizing. You know, I started
like organizing on a gun violence prevention locally. I'd go
to my school board meetings. I became obsessed with figuring
out how to use student government in schools to like
advocate for policies instead of it just being planning the homecoming.
And so I ran for student government president and got
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elected there, and so then we started doing like real
political advocacy in the student government. And then I organized
all the student governments in my school district to do
a county wide thing where we'd all come together you know,
once quarter and it's just like that trip really did
change my life. But it wasn't just what we did
on that trip, but it was meeting those people my
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age who were going through a sense of grief and
loss that I've never experienced in my life. Gun violence
wasn't a part of my day to day life, you know,
and so I think is part of the reason why
seeing those images on the screen jarred me so much,
and it really put things in a perspective for me.
And the good thing is the foundation was always there because,
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like I mentioned before, my dad's you know, very musical obviously,
but he's also very political. And uh, I'll they'll take
this the wrong way. But I'd grow up listening to
my dad yell at the news. But but it you know,
it's I would listen. I wasn't you know. I wasn't
just saying, oh, there's dad yell at the news. I
would sit there and listen, and he would talk to
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me about stuff to the point where I'd try to
go to school, elementary school and debate with people. I
don't know what the heck I was talking about, But
but there was a foundation there that my dad laid
right on politics that you know, I knew like these
are these are where my values lie. But I had
to kind of you know, you have to figure that
out for yourself. What what what you believe?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
And that was one of the first moments outside of
the home and outside of my community that I started
to figure out what I believe in.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Congressman Frost, you recently joined speaking of going out into community,
Senator to Chris Murphy for town halls all across the
country and many were in or not many, I think
they all were in Republican districts. Yeah, so you actually
were stepping into rooms where you knew that many disagreed
with you. What have you learned about how to listen
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and talk across disagreement on that.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Tour, Yeah, and this and you know, connecting all this together.
One of the first politicians I ever met was Sata
Chris Murphy when I was fifteen years old at that
vigil and so it's just you know, full snirgle to
be on the road with him now. And we also
introduced the Office of Gun Violence Prevention built together now
through about three years ago, which you know President Biden
(24:48):
enacted through executive or Trump got rid of it on
day two. When I used to work for candidates as
an organizer, I was always you know, there was things
I took that inspired me. But I also kept the list,
the mental list of things I would never do if
I was ever in that position. And something you learn
from knocking doors, which is all I did right at
(25:09):
it fresh eighteen after I did my three months stint
at the at the dealership and then I started working
at on campaigns. Knocking doors solely you learn how to
be a listener because for a few reasons, it's a
tactical thing. Because you know, when you're out a door
and you're talking to people and you talk too long
and you start seeing them, you know it's not looking
(25:29):
around either, get a little antsy either, trying to move
on with their life. But I need to tell you
about the candidate. I need to tell you about this
person who wants to fight for you that I believe
in and I want to make sure you go vote.
And so what you do is you put it back
on them. You ask them a question, and that opportunity
for them to speak. The longer they speak, the longer
you get to have that you know, conversation with them.
That experience with them, and so you want the other
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person to speak a lot. And I've found that, you know,
a lot of times, especially politicians, you have these town
hall that aren't really town halls, right, you know, there's
questions that have already been predetermined. And I try to
replicate being at the door with somebody as much as
I can and everything as part of what I tell
my team when we're coming up with our messaging, will this,
(26:13):
will this sentence get the door slammed in my face?
Or leave the door open? Right at the town halls
when we're doing on traveling with Chris or with Senator Murphy,
how are we you know, we're gonna give some of
the micro we'ren lew to say whatever they want to say, right,
and we're going to really listen to them. And I
don't know, I just feel like I've learned the power
of listening so much by knocking doors and how it
(26:37):
important it is to be an active listener and then
given a real answer to people, because that's what you know,
we hear it all the time politicians they give non answers.
And to connect this to our conversation from before, I
think part of it is where politicians are usually that
risk adverse. And you know, the more vulnerable you are
and the more real you are, the more you might
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say something that maybe five years or ten years down
the line, when you run for higher office, it won't
be advantageous to you. And I just don't really even
think about that kind of stuff. I like to, you know,
I try to be in the moment with people. There's
real pain in this country. The wealth inequality has gotten
worse and worse and worse and worse and worse, to
the point where people have done everything that you're supposed
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to do still can't pay for everything. And we're in
this place where the wealthiest among us own the most,
and they want us to blame each other, even you know,
down the party line. And I talk about this all
the time, and I'm in these districts where I say,
they want us to hate each other because you're a
Republican versus Democrat, when at the end of the day,
(27:45):
there's these billionaires and mega corporations that have been leaving
us crumbs and for generations, really and and we have
to look beyond that. And you know, I always bring
up that Trump is is is that too? You know?
There's just this saying be ruthless to our systems and
(28:07):
great and give grace to people. And that's the way
I always think. I'm always very you know, I always
go through my emails and everything. When my staff is right,
I say, never just say republicans. Always say Republicans in Congress,
or Republicans in the White House or this and that,
because I'm trying to reach out to people who a
lot of folks have been lied to and a lot
of people bought the lie. And you know, I mean,
(28:30):
look what I'm talking to. Movement, as we all know,
is about addition, not subtraction, and I'm always looking to
bring more people into it.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
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most importantly, share this with someone who needs a reminder
of their strength today. Now back to My Legacy.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
At twenty four, when you first ran from office, it
was certainly maybe not glamorous. You were driving uber and
count surfing basically just to make ends meet. How did
living through those challenges prepare you to represent people facing
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their own difficult struggles.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It was just kind of the perfect storm that put
me in this position. So essentially there was a rent
hike more freeze in Florida during the pandemic, which was
lifted the rent. I was living with my partner and
my sister at the time, and we were living in
(29:35):
a part of town that essentially after the rent hike
was taken off, our rent went up like thirty thirty
three percent. Now I quit my job to run for Congress,
so I had some savings, so I didn't have a ton.
I thought it would be enough for a year and
a half. I quickly learned it was there, and for
two months we didn't have a place to live. And
(29:56):
the thing here is this wasn't the height of COVID
at the time. I was about my grandma. My ninety
seven year old grandma was living with my parents, and
this is when the Delta variant was going crazy, and
I'm not doing campaigns, so going home was not really
to say what my parents was not really an option
for me due to COVID and my grandma, And so
(30:19):
I ended up emptying all my savings into this airbnb
for a month, and I was like, future Max will
have a solution. Well, a month passed and future Max
did not have a solution. So then for the month
after I just couchsurf with friends and different things like that.
And I quickly figured out I need an income and
I need to figure that out. So I decided to
(30:40):
do Uber because of the to be a little bit
more flexible, because what I didn't want to do, I
was actually gonna go. There was a time I also
worked at Olive Garden as a server because all my
friends were working there and I want to join them.
And I was actually a really good server, and I
was like, let me go back to that. I'll make
good tips. But we're on a campaign. You get those calls, Hey,
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this person wants to interview you in an hour? Can
you do it? And what I learned about running a
campaign for a year and a half is there's not
like a silver bullet. It's the collection of all these
good decisions right that lead you to winning. And I
didn't want to miss one. I didn't want to miss
one of them. And I knew that either the job
would suffer or the campaign would suffer. And I'm not
one of these people that's gonna like, I don't want
(31:23):
to get a job and then be the person that
everyone hates because I'm calling out all the time. That's
why I decided to do uber, but I do think
you know that those two years taught me a lot
about the housing crisis in a way that I'd never
experienced before, because, believe it or not, I didn't pay
my first I didn't sign my first lease until the pandemic.
(31:47):
And the reason why is because I was a campaign organizer.
And if anyone's worked a campaign before, you know that
you're moving around the country every eight months or every year,
and you're living in people's spare bedroom, right, You're living
at supporter housing, right. So I was always living in
a spare bedroom of some supporter of the campaign from
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eighteen to twenty four or to twenty three. So it
was my first experience going for a lease, seeing the
rent increase, having to leave because I couldn't pay the rent,
experience essentially experiencing homelessness during that time, getting into a place,
saying if I get elected to Congress, I'll never have
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to deal with this again. Getting elected to Congress, going
to DC, applying to apartments, getting denied every apartment I
applied to because my credit was poor because I wasn't
really making an income during the campaign. And this is
part of the reason why I'm doing so much and
introducing so much legislation on housing because it's very personal
(32:49):
for me going through that experience. In fact, my first
housing bill, the n Junk Bis for Renters Act, and
my second one that has to do with ending credit
scores edding credit score screening, all came from my story,
and it all came from that story. And in fact,
I remember in January when I got torn in I'm
doing an ABC interview and they're asking me where are
(33:09):
you gonna live? And I casually was like, well, I
just got denied all the apartments I applied to. I
think I'm gonna, like, you know, coutrip with a friend
for a few weeks and then figure it out. I said,
I didn't think it would be a big deal at all,
and ended up being one of the biggest stories about
me to this day. I mean, I'll be walking around
a street of a random city and somebody will come
up and be like, honey, did you find a place
(33:29):
to live? And breaking news. I'm good now, having a
part of everything is okay. But when that news broke
and it became incredibly viral that this new congressman could
have had a place to live in DC. I received
over ten thousand letters, emails, phone calls, messages from people
around the country telling me their stories of how they
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experienced similar stuff. So we took those stories and we
wrote a bunch of housing legislation on you know, making
sure that we eliminate barriers to housing right. And I
experienced that as a new congressman. I had the income right,
But what happened is because my credit was poor. These
algorithms just deny you and they don't look at the
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vitality of a person. And we know every study shows
us that credit scores are not a good indication on
whether or not someone's going to pay their rent or not.
Why well, number one, paying your rent doesn't help your
credit score, and number two, when a working person falls
on hard times, what are the first two things they
always cut from food and medicine, what's the last thing
they cut from rent and mortgage? It's literally the last
(34:34):
thing somebody will touch even when they're having a hard time.
And so it's keeping a bunch of people from having
the honor of paying the high rent. And then I
have bills to attack the high rent as well. So
it all comes from that, from experiencing it which is
part of the reason housing is one of my top
priorities right now.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, and I think no matter your political beliefs, to
all of our listeners have views out there. People appreciate
the fact that because do you have lived that experience,
you're able to advocate on that issue because so many people,
to your point, if a member of Congress, for goodness sakes,
and that's why I went viral, obviously is denied a
place to stay. How many are struggling. And Patrick, as
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a father watching all of this unfold for your son
going into debt, experiencing homelessness, driving an uber just to
stay afloat, I'm sure if he was going to win
running for Congress at the stage of his life. Reflecting
back on this, was there a particular moment where you
felt extraordinary pride or frankly extraordinary worry for him.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I want to push back on one thing. I from
the minute he said he was going to run for Congress,
I knew he was going to win.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, I knew, I knew. I love I love it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
This is twenty twelve, Barack Obama has been re elected
and his inaugural parade is on the on the event
screen and Max said to me, Hey, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
You come, I can.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
He had a salsa band at the time. He had
created a sausa band with his friends. He said, you know, Uh,
I can still submit an audition tape to the inaugural
committee and they could maybe select us and we could
maybe be in the inaugural parade. I said, And I
was tired of come home home where I said, Yeah,
that's great, Max, go ahead, go to do it, do
your thing, and I went to bed. Uh. Next week
(36:21):
came and I and hey, Dad, guess what we submitted.
We put together a video and we submitted it to
the inaugural committee in DC. Uh, maybe they're going to
pick us. And I said, that's great, Max, I'm going
to bed. Two weeks later, I come home from work.
He goes, Dad, you're not going to believe this. I
got an email from the inaugural committee. They really liked
(36:42):
art video and they invited us to be in the
inaugural parade. And so then at that point, I set
my instruments down that are carried in the house, and
I was sitting in his room and I said, Max,
you can't do that. I've been in the music business.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
My whole life.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
You're gonna need to go to the inaugural parade. I said,
they're not. They're just inviting you. They're not paying for
They don't pay. And I said, so now you need.
You need two sober Ego buses with two drivers in
each bus. You need, I said, bottom line, you need.
You're all minors, so you need sponsors, you need, you
need chafferones. You need fifteen thousand dollars. You need fifteen
(37:16):
thousand dollars, and you need it right now. You're not
going to be able to raise it. You're not going
to be able to go without that. And Max quiet,
he said it nicer than this. And he met with
a woman who was kind of a local politician. She
was a mayor of a small town, and she was
her name is Donna Hart, Donna Harts. He's a wonderful lady.
(37:40):
She was in the school teaching also, and I saw
that her and Max had gotten together and they were fundraising,
and to long story short, he raised so much money
for this trip that when we I went up as
a chaperone, of course, I don't remember ever taking my
wallet out of my pants. Everything was paid for by
(38:03):
the money that that him and and Donna raised.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
We took a few weeks and we put together, you know, uh,
the letter, and we we hand delivered it to tons
of businesses and we found incredible a ton of support.
And I remember, you know it was it was you
and the principal of my school, and a lot of
people were like, Max, it's great you did this, but
like we you know, our school is a very underfunded
public arts school, and so they were like, you know,
(38:29):
we don't We're not sure we can raise the money
in a week, you know, we need we had like
a week or something. But but Donna, you know, who
was a teacher at the school and she was the
former mayor of one of our small towns, was like,
let's do it. And so her and I went out
and we got every meal donated. We got the bus
was don I mean, everything was donated, and we ended
up getting our float donated too, and we all went
(38:50):
up and performed that We were the first salsa band
to ever perform in a presidential inaugural parade.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
You have so many first already.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
So I always tell people, if you tell Max he
can't do it, that's just you're just putting fuel on
the fire. He's gonna he's gonna prove you that. So
when Elon Musk came out and said that he was
going to fund a challenger for Max, I just laughed.
I said, you know what you need to do, Elon Musk,
you need to come down to Eatonville and march in
(39:20):
the Martin Luther King kared in Eatonville with Maxwell and
see if you think you have enough money to knock
him out. Because you don't. But you but you have
fun trying. You have fun trying.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Congressman, you know, my father's dream was for freedom, justice, equality,
and so many other things that have not happened in
our nation. Yet, how do you see yourself connected to
that dream or I'd say vision, because the vision has
(39:55):
not yet been realized. And some might even say we're
for they're away from where we need to be. So
as a young leader, as you know, Dad was twenty
seven when he led the Montgomery bus boycott after Miss
Parks had been arrested. And so people forget that, by
(40:16):
the way, yeah, because you always think about leadership as
being older. I know that your representation inspires so many
other young people and we badly need that leadership in
Congress today.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, well, I appreciate it. And you know, I think
because I come from grassroots organizing and movement and work,
I'm very clear eyed about my role right now. And
what I mean by that is I spent most of
my advocacy in organizing career sitting in rooms with politicians
(40:54):
who would cry with us. I remember this, Marco Rubia.
We would cry with the US and hug US on
gun violence prevention, and then the votes were always the same,
and I always questioned, you know, are we doing it right?
You know, I was questioning myself, are we doing it right?
What did we do wrong? And I got to the
point where I said, you know what, to change the politics,
(41:17):
we need to change the politicians sometimes, and that's why
I decided to run for Congress. And but I think
part of the problem is sometimes we see politicians on
a pedestal or as the sole leaders of a movement.
And what I'm clear about is the fact that I'm
still an organizer. I just organized in a different place.
(41:38):
I organized in Congress. You know, so many people would
disparage me during my race. You know, it was distasteful
for people to say my opponents to say he's too young,
so no one would say that, but they'd say, he's
just an organizer, you know, all the he's just an organizer,
is just an advocate. And when I got to Congress,
I would sit in the back of the chamber and
(41:58):
just look around and encourage people at Curve and DC
go sit in the gallery during votes and watch because
what you'll see is a fish bowl of organizing. Everyone
talking to each other, trying to convince people, Hey, can
you come, can you sign on my bill for my constituents?
Can you come to this press conference? It's important to me,
it's important for my people. Everyone's organizing. I say, I'm
(42:20):
I so believe that it's we need more organizers in office,
especially in representative government and where you're serving as a
part of a body. I always tell people, you know,
I'm not a chief executive, I'm not a mayor, I'm
not a governor, I'm not a president. That you know.
This is something Nancy Pelosi says that is you know,
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the way I like to think about it is the
job descriptions in the title representative, right, I'm I'm doing
the same thing I did when I was fifteen and
sixteen years old, different level, different place, I'm an advocate
on behalf of the people in my home that I
live in and the brain this up because the connection
I see between this the work of your father, the
(43:05):
work of all of those in the civil rights era,
Ella Baker, Danny lu Hamer, all you know, organizers, is
that I'm just I'm doing the same thing I've done,
and I'm a small part in a very long timeline
for justice. And I'm honored to play to be a
part of that puzzle.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
The power of speaking to people, not at people.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, Congressman Frost Patrick, thank you for sharing your love
of music, sharing your passion for organizing and impact, sharing
the importance of being vulnerable, and sharing both of your
remarkable life stories, and for Congressman for sharing the message
that this generation won't be silent. Thank you both for
(43:53):
sharing your legacies.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Thank you, Thanks for having us, Thank you, thank you
so very much.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
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on
Spending time with people my age who had just lost blocked,
ones that were murdered in a school due to gun
violence changed my whole life.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Maxwell Frost made history as the first Gen Z member
elected to Congress, but long before the Capitol, he helped
build one of the largest youth led movements this country
has ever seen.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
And I got to the point where I said, you
know what to change the politics, We need to change
the politicians.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
From gun violence to the housing crisis to racism. Congressman
Frost confronts the challenges defining a generation.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
No, I try to be in the moment with people.
There's real pain in this country, and we were in
this place where the wealthiest among us owned the most,
and they want us to blame each other.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Joined by his dad and biggest cheerleader, Patrick Frost.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
If you tell Max he can't do it, that's you're
just putting fuel on the fire.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Join hosts Martin Luther King the Third, Andrea Waters King,
Mark Kilberger, and Craig Kilberger. We're an unfiltered conversation with
Congressman Maxwell Frost about courage, compassion, and creating change.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
He ended up being one of the biggest stories about
me to this day. I mean, I'll be walking around
a street of a random city and somebody will come
up and be like, honey, did you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Welcome to my Legacy. Today's guest is Congressman Maxwell Frost.
His journey from organizing to the halls of Congress was
inspired by family, faith, and the fight against injustice. Congressman
Frost were thrilled to have you with us here today.
And as you know, at my Legacy, we don't only
invite extraordinary individuals, we ask them to invite someone who
knows them incredibly. Well, would you do us the honor
(01:43):
of introducing us to your plus one today?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Wow? Well, thank you so much for having me on.
So today I have none other than my dad, Patrick Frost,
who is you know, one of the biggest reasons I'm
a congressman today. You know, ever since I was literally born,
there's always been music in the house. That a lot
of people don't know this, but I'm a musician. My
(02:06):
whole life, I've really been a drummer. And my dad
has a love of both music and politics that I
have today, and so some of my most fond memories
are getting to perform with him all around Orlando, learning
about what music is, but not just on a page,
but on a deeper level as well. And you know,
something I always talk about is the fact that my
dad invited me to be vulnerable with him as we
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listen to music throughout my life, which I know, especially
as a young man, is something that maybe it took
for granted growing up, but as I speak with a
lot of people my age and older, I find out
that I was one of the luckiest people in the
world to have grown up with someone who invited me
to be vulnerable, to put my heart on a table
through the arts and so here with my dad, Patrick Frost.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I love that that is awesome. As a dad myself
a heart kind of like, you know, swelling a little
bit here.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Of that one exactly, you know.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
And we've had so many different common nations on the show,
but I believe this is our first father son combination.
So this is very exciting to have you all both
on with us today. And also we're very excited because
for our family March for our lives is you know,
something that's so close and dear to our heart. From
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our daughter speaking, we've worked with you all, We've seen
you all in so many iterations over the years, so
it really feels like being with family today. And Congressman Frost,
one of the beautiful things that you speak about is
your multi cultural background. So not only are you the
first gen Z congressman elected, but I believe you're also
(03:42):
the first Afro Cuban elected to Congress. And you talk
about how your parents were open with you from the
beginning about being adopted at birth. How did that shape
your sense of identity growing up?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Interesting because my my yeah, my parents were always open
with me about it. Now, to be honest, as you
can see, I think we kind of knew too from
a young age. And but my dad and my mom always, uh,
you know, offered to give me, you know, more information
stuff like that, and to be honest, and and Dad,
(04:17):
I'm muchure if you remember too, Like when I was
growing up in church, there was a group of like
adoptees that I would there. You know, it wasn't like
a support group, but it was like a Sunday school
kind of thing. And I always felt like the auto
man out because you know, I was adopted at birth
and I never really had this want to find out
more if that makes sense, and it it didn't come
(04:39):
from like a negative place. I just didn't. I didn't
really care, like I have my mom and my dad,
my sister who's my life and uh and uh and
so I never really, you know, looked for more information.
It really wasn't until I was thinking about running for
Congress that I went to my dad and my mom
and asked them for some more information. To be honest,
up until a few years ago, I've been saying that
(05:00):
it's because I wanted to dig into my past to
feel inspired. But the real reason is because somebody who
has helped mentor me at different points said, Max, you
need to look in your past and see what's in
there before you run for office. You know, Yeah, you
gotta do some research. And so I spoke with my
dad and mom about it. But you know, part of
the thing is I my mom came here from Cuban
(05:22):
late nineteen sixties. My dad is he'll talk more about it,
like he is a steel pan player but also a
multi instrumentalist. He's a composer, very deeply and classically musically,
training and jazz and everything. Really and so I grew
up in this multi cultural house from the music that
I heard from like soca blasting in the living room studio,
(05:46):
which God bless my mom for letting my dad have
his studio in the living.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Room, and for letting you have a drum set as.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
A child, and then then for letting me become a drummer,
and even the people my dad would bring over his
friends right from all around the world, playing many different
types of music to my mom and my mom having
you know her grandma or sorry, her mom, my grandma
yea yea, who passed away a few years ago, but
(06:13):
she only spoke Spanish, and so that's kind of like
one of the main reasons I would speak Spanish in
the house was to communicate with my grandma. Growing up,
every summer we go to Miami, and it was just
a normal thing. I feel like it partially grew up
in Miami just because we spent our summer's there. But
you know, it's interesting because I represent one of the
most diverse districts in Congress by far, and I feel
(06:35):
like I grew up like that as well in the household,
but also in the school I went to as well.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Patrick, You've said Maxwell has been precocious and driven since
he was a toddler. Can you share a story from
his childhood that gives a glimpse into what a young
Maxwell was like.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
If I could just add though, as a dad, Patrick,
I actually have to say, I love how you were
smiling so glowing with a light bulb. That's the question
was even being asked.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The person that you see here is the same little
guy that that was, that we that was. My son
always has a plan and he's always producing. He's always
uh creating a show, creating or selling. Something I told
him one time when he was probably in junior high school,
(07:25):
I said, you could go across the street to the
car dealership and make more money than I do as
a performer at your age right now. You could go
over there and and and and this is the funny thing.
When he turned about I think maybe eighteen.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
He did that.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He went across the street and got a job as
a car sales wow. And and he's said he was
doing very good. And then and here's what is they
put they and I hope I can. They brought him
into a meeting with the other car salesman and they said,
we want to teach you how to basically get people
in debt and get them to spend more money than
(08:02):
they should spend because we went to sell cars and
it's so, we're going to teach you how to get
people to make a mistake in their finances and over buy.
And Max got up and walked out and came. He
came home early. I said, what are you doing. Aren't
you at work? Why are you Why did you come home?
And he goes, I quit And I said why did
you quit? He goes, because they wanted to teach me
how to cheek people. That's really the truth. And he
(08:25):
said he wouldn't do it. He said, I'm not going
to do that. So he just quit his job and
walked out. He didn't give him two weeks notice, he
just walked out the door.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Well, I love that speaks to your heart.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
And I also, by the way, I love the honesty
I've passually you turning. It was like I said, okay,
if I shared this story. This is what we love
this conversation because it gets those great stories that often
you don't hear before.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Congressman, let me ask one question when when you look
back over your childhood and the fact that you always
engage with music with your dad, what did those years
of music together actually teach you about life, and how
do you apply any of that to what your job
(09:07):
is today.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Honestly, I brought this up at the beginning a little bit.
But one of the things people tell me a lot
after interviews or town halls or this and that is,
I appreciate how candid you are, and I appreciate your vulnerability.
You know, you're willing to talk about mistakes or like
the feelings you have that maybe people aren't used to
politicians kind of just saying. And I really do attribute
(09:32):
that to my dad, and I really do attribute that.
I actually to sitting in the studio, sitting in the
car listening to music and being invited to feel, you know,
being invited to express how I feel. And I remember
the first time, I think it's the first time, if
not one of the first times I ever cried to music.
And we were sitting in the studio and I think
(09:52):
I was like a round like seven eight nine or
something like that, and it was the Swan that you
played for me, which is a a solo or really
a duo with a piano, but it's a cello piece,
and and I just remember the young kids in there
crying I think we cried together at that song, and
it's and like, you know, you don't, you don't think
much of it. When you're a kid, You wipe your tears,
(10:14):
you just continue to go on. But there we had
a lot of moments like that, listening to music together,
going to concerts together, performing together. Like if you if
you go on if you go on YouTube and you
you go deep, deep, deep, you're gonna find a bunch
of videos of my dad and I performed together, usually
me auditioning for some jazz program and my dad's on
piano or whatever, and and growing and growing that. But
(10:39):
you know, for me, learning like being a musician, being
invited to be vulnerable and then being okay with putting
it out there, putting it out there in front of
my dad and then putting it out there in front
of an audience is something I'll, you know, have with
me the whole the rest of my life. In second grade,
my dad got me a drum set, which was important,
But there's actually the most important thing that he got me.
(10:59):
Even more important than rum set was the private lessons
that came with the drum set. But I always felt
like in school, at least for I had something that
a lot of other people that have. I had an
understanding of the music, not just because I, you know,
I'm better than everyone, but because of my dad, you know,
taught me how to listen to music, and I felt,
(11:20):
you know, and that's what I'm trying to say. He
taught me how to listen to music. And you know,
my band instructor in middle school, Russ Weaver, it was
very common for him to come in the band class
sixth grade. Right this is called beginner's band. Most people
in there have never really played an instrument, but they
showed proficiency and you know, music skills generally. But I
came in since the second grade playing music and having
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musician dad. And something well mister Weaver would always do
is he would play a song at the top of
the hour and just have a sit in silence and
listen to it. And that's very hard for six grades
to do. And I honestly wasn't the most well behaved
kid in the sixth grade, but when he played the song,
I would sit there at my eyes and listen to
(12:06):
a degree where like I'd have friends in the percussion section,
which if you know anything about band, everyone has to
sit in their seat, but the percussionists are kind of
walking around the back being you know, you know, we
have a little bit more freedom, so we're usually making
jokes and stuff. My friends would always be like, why
so silent, Like you're always so loud and telling jokes
and stuff. But I felt like I knew how to
really listen to the music because of my dad, and
(12:29):
so I don't know, that's something that really means a
lot to me, and I still play to this day.
So when I go to events, Congressman, there's a drum
set here, why don't you play it? And so I
play a lot of Or when I go to churches,
I don't even get asked. The bishop will be like,
there's the drum set, Congressman. You know, like get on it.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
So for all of our listeners, you should, if you
have a moment, go down the rabbit hole and find
young Congressman Frost and find some of his old videos
and and then let's do a contest who can find
the oldest one. Now, Patrick, Because I'm a big believer
that our children are our greatest teachers in so many capacities,
(13:11):
and I know that you've talked about many things that
you've learned from your son. In particular, you said that
raising Max, as you called him, open your eyes to
the discrimination that many minorities face. Is there one particular
story that you would like to share with us and
our audience that still sticks with you.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Max was probably maybe thirteen or fourteen, maybe fifteen years old,
and it was a Saturday afternoon, and he had gone
to the Loop, which is a shopping center near us,
probably with some friends. And he was gone for most
of the morning and part of the afternoon. And he
(13:52):
came home and he said, Dad, strangest thing happened. I
was in sports authority and I was just walking around
looking at stuff, you know, and uh I noticed this
this man. Every time I turned the corner, there was
this man was here and he was looking, watching, watching me.
And uh so, you know, when I was in college
at University of Miami, I I got into a retail security.
(14:14):
I was a store detective at a at a department
store at the shopping at the Midway Mall. And uh
I learned about store security. So when he started describing
this man kept he kept showing up wherever Max turned,
Denial and there was this guy I knew what it was.
It was a store attack and and and Max, and
I said to Max, I said, Max, that was a
(14:35):
store security guard. He was watching you because he thought
you were going to steal and and and and Max
said to me, why would he Why would he think
I was going to steal and? And I I remember
putting my head that because we'd never had this kind
of conversation. And I said, Max, it's it's most likely
(14:56):
because of the because of the color of your skin,
that is the most likely reason that he chose to
follow you instead of somebody else. And I remembered how
tough it was for me to telling that, and I
kind of remember looking at him and he looked confused.
(15:18):
And that is the one that sticks with me more
than any and is trying to explain that to him.
And I didn't understand it because it never happened to
me that way. You know. I never went to my
mother and father when I was in junior high school
or early high school and said somebody was following me
at the wol Coast or down at the shopping center.
That never happened. It's an experience I didn't have. And
(15:40):
so I was trying to teach Max but I was
also learning myself that this is not fake, This really
happens to people of color.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Do you remember that, Max, Yeah, very well? And then
what did that moment? Also?
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Did it change you and even in your parenting or
even just seeing the world, like when you see other
young black men out in the world, did it in
any way or or even like with other black parents,
did it any way impact you in that way as well?
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You know, my mother and father they're both gone now.
When when we had when Max was born, you see,
we didn't Max's birth mother couldn't positively identify who the
father was. So when Max was born, we didn't realize
he was going to be mixed race. And I remember
(16:34):
calling my mother and and I think that my mother
thought this whole idea of us adopting a baby from
from this woman at birth was was something that we
weren't going to go through with. It was almost I
think that she thought we were just kidding around. And
I remember calling her. She was in probably Ohio still yeah, yeah,
(16:55):
And and I said, Mom, are our son was born.
We have a son. His name is Maxwell, And she
I remember, uh somehow, And after she got a photograph,
we probably said I can't remember how we transmitted back
in nineteen ninety seven, but we sent her a picture
of some kind of and and uh, probably it was
(17:15):
kind of kind of quiet, you know, there was not
a celebratory thing happening. And what I wanted to try
and say is this, having Max in our family taught
my mother and father that they have to escape what
they grew up with. As you know, both of them
were raised on farms in the in the in the
out in the country, and they they brought ther you know,
(17:39):
I mean, it was it was an age of racism
was normal. It was normal.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
They were good.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
People that they had they had that they had that
component in them, and Max exercised that component in them
and gave them. You know, they went to heaven with
the peace that they they managed that racism, you know,
because of because of Max. You can't not love this kid,
you know, you can't not.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Love this All of America we love him.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Oh my god, Patrick, I was tearing up because it
is true and it is the reality of our world.
And I appreciate the honesty and I just appreciate the vulnerability,
Like clearly you muddeled this for your son, like we
understand where your son comes.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
From, coming up the viral story that set off ten
thousand calls, texts, and females, fueling Congressman Maxwell Frost's biggest
fight for change.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Now back to my legacy.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Congressman Frost, So fifteen years old, you have this pivotal
moment as an activist when you're out of vigil in
DC and you meet family members who lost children in
the Sandy Hook massacre. Can you share with us those
conversations that were so pivotal for your life and how
(18:54):
those impact you even today.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Well, you know, Samuel happened right before I was getting
ready to perform in a jazz band concert in school.
We were there at a Chili's or something, eating and
this silence falls across the whole restaurant, like a palpable silence,
and everyone's looking at each other, like what's going on?
And we see that everyone's staring at the TVs at
the bar, and we look at the TV screens and
(19:17):
we see the news somebody walked into this elementary school
and murdered all these children and teachers at Sandy Hook,
And we all kind of went to the concert with
this eerie feeling. But I had an intense amount of anxiety.
I played one of the worst shows I've ever played
in my life, because you know where I was drumming
the stage doors right behind me, and I kept looking
(19:38):
over at the stage door, and I couldn't stop thinking
about it. And I actually, well, this is the thing
my dad and I share. We both have kind of
obsessive personalities, and so if something gets in our mind,
we just keep thinking about. And I kept thinking about
this horrible thing that happened in Sandy Hook. I never
heard of Sandy Hook. I don't know what new Town is.
I never heard about any these places. And I went
(19:59):
online and I started seeing on Facebook that, you know,
there were some young people speaking out about it. And
one of them, her name is Sarah Clements or her
mother Abby, was a teacher at Sandy Hook. She survived
the shooting. And I sent a message to Sarah. We
became kind of pen pals, and she sent me a
(20:20):
form and said, we're hosting a vigil and like this
week of action in DC if you want to come,
fill this out. So I filled it out, and I
asked my parents and I filled it out. I didn't
know this until about two years ago. As a member
of Congress. I went and spoke at the vigil I
went to when I was fifteen, and the board members
told the story of how they were, you know, doing
the manifest for the bus and everything, and then they
(20:42):
had this one application from a fifteen year old in
Florida that no one had ever heard of if that
was me, and they apparently they had a whole board
meeting debating should we allow him to come. He's going
to come alone, we don't know who he is. And
they decided to let me come, which you know, is
a huge decision in my life that they made because
going there to change my life. And I went alone,
(21:04):
but you know, they had chaperones and everything. But spending
time with people my age who had just lost loved
ones that were murdered in a school due to gun
violence changed my whole life. And the vigil was very powerful.
But I to be honest, it wasn't even just the vigil.
It was being with them and like being kids with them.
(21:25):
You know, the whole time wasn't completely five days of seriousness.
We laughed, we were telling jokes, we were bringing kids.
We were running around Capitol Hill delivering letters and inviting
people to the vigil, and then taking those first couple
days and then my last day there after the vigil
at the hotel, we were saying, like a Virginia hotel
(21:45):
like a dais in or something where the pools like
in the basement, and we're all in this basement pool
waiting our feet in the water, and everyone just starts
opening up about their sibling that they lost, and I
just kind of sat there and listened to everybody. And
I remember after that, I like ran in my hotel room.
I called my mom. I was crying. I was like, Mom,
you know, this was my experience. And then I ended
(22:06):
up coming home and started organizing. You know, I started
like organizing on a gun violence prevention locally. I'd go
to my school board meetings. I became obsessed with figuring
out how to use student government in schools to like
advocate for policies instead of it just being planning the homecoming.
And so I ran for student government president and got
(22:27):
elected there, and so then we started doing like real
political advocacy in the student government. And then I organized
all the student governments in my school district to do
a county wide thing where we'd all come together you know,
once quarter and it's just like that trip really did
change my life. But it wasn't just what we did
on that trip, but it was meeting those people my
(22:49):
age who were going through a sense of grief and
loss that I've never experienced in my life. Gun violence
wasn't a part of my day to day life, you know,
and so I think is part of the reason why
seeing those images on the screen jarred me so much,
and it really put things in a perspective for me.
And the good thing is the foundation was always there because,
(23:10):
like I mentioned before, my dad's you know, very musical obviously,
but he's also very political. And uh, I'll they'll take
this the wrong way. But I'd grow up listening to
my dad yell at the news. But but it you know,
it's I would listen. I wasn't you know. I wasn't
just saying, oh, there's dad yell at the news. I
would sit there and listen, and he would talk to
(23:31):
me about stuff to the point where I'd try to
go to school, elementary school and debate with people. I
don't know what the heck I was talking about, But
but there was a foundation there that my dad laid
right on politics that you know, I knew like these
are these are where my values lie. But I had
to kind of you know, you have to figure that
out for yourself. What what what you believe?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
And that was one of the first moments outside of
the home and outside of my community that I started
to figure out what I believe in.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Congressman Frost, you recently joined speaking of going out into community,
Senator to Chris Murphy for town halls all across the
country and many were in or not many, I think
they all were in Republican districts. Yeah, so you actually
were stepping into rooms where you knew that many disagreed
with you. What have you learned about how to listen
(24:24):
and talk across disagreement on that.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Tour, Yeah, and this and you know, connecting all this together.
One of the first politicians I ever met was Sata
Chris Murphy when I was fifteen years old at that
vigil and so it's just you know, full snirgle to
be on the road with him now. And we also
introduced the Office of Gun Violence Prevention built together now
through about three years ago, which you know President Biden
(24:48):
enacted through executive or Trump got rid of it on
day two. When I used to work for candidates as
an organizer, I was always you know, there was things
I took that inspired me. But I also kept the list,
the mental list of things I would never do if
I was ever in that position. And something you learn
from knocking doors, which is all I did right at
(25:09):
it fresh eighteen after I did my three months stint
at the at the dealership and then I started working
at on campaigns. Knocking doors solely you learn how to
be a listener because for a few reasons, it's a
tactical thing. Because you know, when you're out a door
and you're talking to people and you talk too long
and you start seeing them, you know it's not looking
(25:29):
around either, get a little antsy either, trying to move
on with their life. But I need to tell you
about the candidate. I need to tell you about this
person who wants to fight for you that I believe
in and I want to make sure you go vote.
And so what you do is you put it back
on them. You ask them a question, and that opportunity
for them to speak. The longer they speak, the longer
you get to have that you know, conversation with them.
That experience with them, and so you want the other
(25:53):
person to speak a lot. And I've found that, you know,
a lot of times, especially politicians, you have these town
hall that aren't really town halls, right, you know, there's
questions that have already been predetermined. And I try to
replicate being at the door with somebody as much as
I can and everything as part of what I tell
my team when we're coming up with our messaging, will this,
(26:13):
will this sentence get the door slammed in my face?
Or leave the door open? Right at the town halls
when we're doing on traveling with Chris or with Senator Murphy,
how are we you know, we're gonna give some of
the micro we'ren lew to say whatever they want to say, right,
and we're going to really listen to them. And I
don't know, I just feel like I've learned the power
of listening so much by knocking doors and how it
(26:37):
important it is to be an active listener and then
given a real answer to people, because that's what you know,
we hear it all the time politicians they give non answers.
And to connect this to our conversation from before, I
think part of it is where politicians are usually that
risk adverse. And you know, the more vulnerable you are
and the more real you are, the more you might
(26:58):
say something that maybe five years or ten years down
the line, when you run for higher office, it won't
be advantageous to you. And I just don't really even
think about that kind of stuff. I like to, you know,
I try to be in the moment with people. There's
real pain in this country. The wealth inequality has gotten
worse and worse and worse and worse and worse, to
the point where people have done everything that you're supposed
(27:21):
to do still can't pay for everything. And we're in
this place where the wealthiest among us own the most,
and they want us to blame each other, even you know,
down the party line. And I talk about this all
the time, and I'm in these districts where I say,
they want us to hate each other because you're a
Republican versus Democrat, when at the end of the day,
(27:45):
there's these billionaires and mega corporations that have been leaving
us crumbs and for generations, really and and we have
to look beyond that. And you know, I always bring
up that Trump is is is that too? You know?
There's just this saying be ruthless to our systems and
(28:07):
great and give grace to people. And that's the way
I always think. I'm always very you know, I always
go through my emails and everything. When my staff is right,
I say, never just say republicans. Always say Republicans in Congress,
or Republicans in the White House or this and that,
because I'm trying to reach out to people who a
lot of folks have been lied to and a lot
of people bought the lie. And you know, I mean,
(28:30):
look what I'm talking to. Movement, as we all know,
is about addition, not subtraction, and I'm always looking to
bring more people into it.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
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of their strength today. Now back to My Legacy.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
At twenty four, when you first ran from office, it
was certainly maybe not glamorous. You were driving uber and
count surfing basically just to make ends meet. How did
living through those challenges prepare you to represent people facing
(29:10):
their own difficult struggles.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It was just kind of the perfect storm that put
me in this position. So essentially there was a rent
hike more freeze in Florida during the pandemic, which was
lifted the rent. I was living with my partner and
my sister at the time, and we were living in
(29:35):
a part of town that essentially after the rent hike
was taken off, our rent went up like thirty thirty
three percent. Now I quit my job to run for Congress,
so I had some savings, so I didn't have a ton.
I thought it would be enough for a year and
a half. I quickly learned it was there, and for
two months we didn't have a place to live. And
(29:56):
the thing here is this wasn't the height of COVID
at the time. I was about my grandma. My ninety
seven year old grandma was living with my parents, and
this is when the Delta variant was going crazy, and
I'm not doing campaigns, so going home was not really
to say what my parents was not really an option
for me due to COVID and my grandma, And so
(30:19):
I ended up emptying all my savings into this airbnb
for a month, and I was like, future Max will
have a solution. Well, a month passed and future Max
did not have a solution. So then for the month
after I just couchsurf with friends and different things like that.
And I quickly figured out I need an income and
I need to figure that out. So I decided to
(30:40):
do Uber because of the to be a little bit
more flexible, because what I didn't want to do, I
was actually gonna go. There was a time I also
worked at Olive Garden as a server because all my
friends were working there and I want to join them.
And I was actually a really good server, and I
was like, let me go back to that. I'll make
good tips. But we're on a campaign. You get those calls, Hey,
(31:02):
this person wants to interview you in an hour? Can
you do it? And what I learned about running a
campaign for a year and a half is there's not
like a silver bullet. It's the collection of all these
good decisions right that lead you to winning. And I
didn't want to miss one. I didn't want to miss
one of them. And I knew that either the job
would suffer or the campaign would suffer. And I'm not
one of these people that's gonna like, I don't want
(31:23):
to get a job and then be the person that
everyone hates because I'm calling out all the time. That's
why I decided to do uber, but I do think
you know that those two years taught me a lot
about the housing crisis in a way that I'd never
experienced before, because, believe it or not, I didn't pay
my first I didn't sign my first lease until the pandemic.
(31:47):
And the reason why is because I was a campaign organizer.
And if anyone's worked a campaign before, you know that
you're moving around the country every eight months or every year,
and you're living in people's spare bedroom, right, You're living
at supporter housing, right. So I was always living in
a spare bedroom of some supporter of the campaign from
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eighteen to twenty four or to twenty three. So it
was my first experience going for a lease, seeing the
rent increase, having to leave because I couldn't pay the rent,
experience essentially experiencing homelessness during that time, getting into a place,
saying if I get elected to Congress, I'll never have
(32:28):
to deal with this again. Getting elected to Congress, going
to DC, applying to apartments, getting denied every apartment I
applied to because my credit was poor because I wasn't
really making an income during the campaign. And this is
part of the reason why I'm doing so much and
introducing so much legislation on housing because it's very personal
(32:49):
for me going through that experience. In fact, my first
housing bill, the n Junk Bis for Renters Act, and
my second one that has to do with ending credit
scores edding credit score screening, all came from my story,
and it all came from that story. And in fact,
I remember in January when I got torn in I'm
doing an ABC interview and they're asking me where are
(33:09):
you gonna live? And I casually was like, well, I
just got denied all the apartments I applied to. I
think I'm gonna, like, you know, coutrip with a friend
for a few weeks and then figure it out. I said,
I didn't think it would be a big deal at all,
and ended up being one of the biggest stories about
me to this day. I mean, I'll be walking around
a street of a random city and somebody will come
up and be like, honey, did you find a place
(33:29):
to live? And breaking news. I'm good now, having a
part of everything is okay. But when that news broke
and it became incredibly viral that this new congressman could
have had a place to live in DC. I received
over ten thousand letters, emails, phone calls, messages from people
around the country telling me their stories of how they
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experienced similar stuff. So we took those stories and we
wrote a bunch of housing legislation on you know, making
sure that we eliminate barriers to housing right. And I
experienced that as a new congressman. I had the income right,
But what happened is because my credit was poor. These
algorithms just deny you and they don't look at the
(34:13):
vitality of a person. And we know every study shows
us that credit scores are not a good indication on
whether or not someone's going to pay their rent or not.
Why well, number one, paying your rent doesn't help your
credit score, and number two, when a working person falls
on hard times, what are the first two things they
always cut from food and medicine, what's the last thing
they cut from rent and mortgage? It's literally the last
(34:34):
thing somebody will touch even when they're having a hard time.
And so it's keeping a bunch of people from having
the honor of paying the high rent. And then I
have bills to attack the high rent as well. So
it all comes from that, from experiencing it which is
part of the reason housing is one of my top
priorities right now.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Well, and I think no matter your political beliefs, to
all of our listeners have views out there. People appreciate
the fact that because do you have lived that experience,
you're able to advocate on that issue because so many people,
to your point, if a member of Congress, for goodness sakes,
and that's why I went viral, obviously is denied a
place to stay. How many are struggling. And Patrick, as
(35:13):
a father watching all of this unfold for your son
going into debt, experiencing homelessness, driving an uber just to
stay afloat, I'm sure if he was going to win
running for Congress at the stage of his life. Reflecting
back on this, was there a particular moment where you
felt extraordinary pride or frankly extraordinary worry for him.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I want to push back on one thing. I from
the minute he said he was going to run for Congress,
I knew he was going to win.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, I knew, I knew. I love I love it.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
This is twenty twelve, Barack Obama has been re elected
and his inaugural parade is on the on the event
screen and Max said to me, Hey, you know.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
You come, I can.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
He had a salsa band at the time. He had
created a sausa band with his friends. He said, you know, Uh,
I can still submit an audition tape to the inaugural
committee and they could maybe select us and we could
maybe be in the inaugural parade. I said, And I
was tired of come home home where I said, Yeah,
that's great, Max, go ahead, go to do it, do
your thing, and I went to bed. Uh. Next week
(36:21):
came and I and hey, Dad, guess what we submitted.
We put together a video and we submitted it to
the inaugural committee in DC. Uh, maybe they're going to
pick us. And I said, that's great, Max, I'm going
to bed. Two weeks later, I come home from work.
He goes, Dad, you're not going to believe this. I
got an email from the inaugural committee. They really liked
(36:42):
art video and they invited us to be in the
inaugural parade. And so then at that point, I set
my instruments down that are carried in the house, and
I was sitting in his room and I said, Max,
you can't do that. I've been in the music business.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
My whole life.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
You're gonna need to go to the inaugural parade. I said,
they're not. They're just inviting you. They're not paying for
They don't pay. And I said, so now you need.
You need two sober Ego buses with two drivers in
each bus. You need, I said, bottom line, you need.
You're all minors, so you need sponsors, you need, you
need chafferones. You need fifteen thousand dollars. You need fifteen
(37:16):
thousand dollars, and you need it right now. You're not
going to be able to raise it. You're not going
to be able to go without that. And Max quiet,
he said it nicer than this. And he met with
a woman who was kind of a local politician. She
was a mayor of a small town, and she was
her name is Donna Hart, Donna Harts. He's a wonderful lady.
(37:40):
She was in the school teaching also, and I saw
that her and Max had gotten together and they were fundraising,
and to long story short, he raised so much money
for this trip that when we I went up as
a chaperone, of course, I don't remember ever taking my
wallet out of my pants. Everything was paid for by
(38:03):
the money that that him and and Donna raised.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
We took a few weeks and we put together, you know, uh,
the letter, and we we hand delivered it to tons
of businesses and we found incredible a ton of support.
And I remember, you know it was it was you
and the principal of my school, and a lot of
people were like, Max, it's great you did this, but
like we you know, our school is a very underfunded
public arts school, and so they were like, you know,
(38:29):
we don't We're not sure we can raise the money
in a week, you know, we need we had like
a week or something. But but Donna, you know, who
was a teacher at the school and she was the
former mayor of one of our small towns, was like,
let's do it. And so her and I went out
and we got every meal donated. We got the bus
was don I mean, everything was donated, and we ended
up getting our float donated too, and we all went
(38:50):
up and performed that We were the first salsa band
to ever perform in a presidential inaugural parade.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
You have so many first already.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
So I always tell people, if you tell Max he
can't do it, that's just you're just putting fuel on
the fire. He's gonna he's gonna prove you that. So
when Elon Musk came out and said that he was
going to fund a challenger for Max, I just laughed.
I said, you know what you need to do, Elon Musk,
you need to come down to Eatonville and march in
(39:20):
the Martin Luther King kared in Eatonville with Maxwell and
see if you think you have enough money to knock
him out. Because you don't. But you but you have
fun trying. You have fun trying.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Congressman, you know, my father's dream was for freedom, justice, equality,
and so many other things that have not happened in
our nation. Yet, how do you see yourself connected to
that dream or I'd say vision, because the vision has
(39:55):
not yet been realized. And some might even say we're
for they're away from where we need to be. So
as a young leader, as you know, Dad was twenty
seven when he led the Montgomery bus boycott after Miss
Parks had been arrested. And so people forget that, by
(40:16):
the way, yeah, because you always think about leadership as
being older. I know that your representation inspires so many
other young people and we badly need that leadership in
Congress today.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, well, I appreciate it. And you know, I think
because I come from grassroots organizing and movement and work,
I'm very clear eyed about my role right now. And
what I mean by that is I spent most of
my advocacy in organizing career sitting in rooms with politicians
(40:54):
who would cry with us. I remember this, Marco Rubia.
We would cry with the US and hug US on
gun violence prevention, and then the votes were always the same,
and I always questioned, you know, are we doing it right?
You know, I was questioning myself, are we doing it right?
What did we do wrong? And I got to the
point where I said, you know what, to change the politics,
(41:17):
we need to change the politicians sometimes, and that's why
I decided to run for Congress. And but I think
part of the problem is sometimes we see politicians on
a pedestal or as the sole leaders of a movement.
And what I'm clear about is the fact that I'm
still an organizer. I just organized in a different place.
(41:38):
I organized in Congress. You know, so many people would
disparage me during my race. You know, it was distasteful
for people to say my opponents to say he's too young,
so no one would say that, but they'd say, he's
just an organizer, you know, all the he's just an organizer,
is just an advocate. And when I got to Congress,
I would sit in the back of the chamber and
(41:58):
just look around and encourage people at Curve and DC
go sit in the gallery during votes and watch because
what you'll see is a fish bowl of organizing. Everyone
talking to each other, trying to convince people, Hey, can
you come, can you sign on my bill for my constituents?
Can you come to this press conference? It's important to me,
it's important for my people. Everyone's organizing. I say, I'm
(42:20):
I so believe that it's we need more organizers in office,
especially in representative government and where you're serving as a
part of a body. I always tell people, you know,
I'm not a chief executive, I'm not a mayor, I'm
not a governor, I'm not a president. That you know.
This is something Nancy Pelosi says that is you know,
(42:41):
the way I like to think about it is the
job descriptions in the title representative, right, I'm I'm doing
the same thing I did when I was fifteen and
sixteen years old, different level, different place, I'm an advocate
on behalf of the people in my home that I
live in and the brain this up because the connection
I see between this the work of your father, the
(43:05):
work of all of those in the civil rights era,
Ella Baker, Danny lu Hamer, all you know, organizers, is
that I'm just I'm doing the same thing I've done,
and I'm a small part in a very long timeline
for justice. And I'm honored to play to be a
part of that puzzle.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
The power of speaking to people, not at people.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Yeah, Congressman Frost Patrick, thank you for sharing your love
of music, sharing your passion for organizing and impact, sharing
the importance of being vulnerable, and sharing both of your
remarkable life stories, and for Congressman for sharing the message
that this generation won't be silent. Thank you both for
(43:53):
sharing your legacies.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Thank you, Thanks for having us, Thank you, thank you
so very much.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Thank you for joining us. If you enjoyed today's conversation, subscribe, share,
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content every Thursday. At its core, this podcast honors doctor
King's vision of the beloved community and The Power of Connection,
(44:22):
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