September 15, 2020 • 55 mins
Did Wesley Snipes intentionally trick Billy Blanks into missing his Passenger 57 audition, thus securing Wesley the role and cornering Billy into a career of producing workout tapes? Hard to say, but Langston and his guest Roy Wood Jr. (The Daily Show on Comedy Central) intend to find out.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I know, like Ryan Reynolds to this day, I just
got rock with Westley Spike such a weird thing, like
we will donate two hundred million dollars to the end
of like that. Ryan Reynolds gave like a disgusting amount
of money to like black causes or summer. But if
you ask them to also, just go shape. Wesley Spike came,
Ryans right now, You're like, listen, black lives matter, but
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you know who's life don't matter that motherfucker Westley's. I
love all black people. Here's money, but make sure Westley
don't get that. If Wesley gets a dime, I take
it back buck Western snack rock chips in yours are
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racist wholes whole stan money money stuff you can't tell me.
Oh oh there it is, Yes, ladies and gentlemen, there
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Thank you, Paul Pierce for inspiring so many and I
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I'm your host. Lengthy Kerman is always I'm super excited
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you about my life right now. My pants no weird
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because we have a new washer and dryer and uh,
you know, I haven't learned how to work this ship
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can't smell my pants and that's pretty cool. He's hilarious.
He's so funny. He's one of my favorite comedians in
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He's a corresponding on The Daily Show. He has two
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Do on Comedy Central. So hilarious. Give it up from
my guests. Mr Roy Wood Jr. Of Yes to Better,
give it up. Give it up? How are you up? Man?
I'm good brother. I appreciate this. It's always good to
be around a black podcast. Uhuh, well, that's about all
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I can offer you is just being black and podcast
right now. Well, you know what, it's a good thing.
This is. This is a quality and levity and growth,
and you know, I appreciate the invitation. That's what we
strive to do is just provide levity and growth while
we make up weird stuff that we read off the
internet or heard. Well, yeah, let's just start a new
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rooms to spread exactly. I think that is one of
the things that black people have not taken advantage of
enough during all of this, is like, we can cause
chaos too. We don't have to just be the recipients
of white chaos. We can serve up some chaos. Well.
The reason why I like this show and I like
this concept is that no one can really challenge us
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on this. We can just say it's true and anyone
who's not black just has to roll with it. And
just what I heard, they said, Paul Pierce has the
greatest facial air of all time. Can't prove it's wrong.
I thought it was Rick Ross. It turns out it's Paul.
Thought it was Joe Button. The way they touched the
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bottom of his eyes. But no, they like Paul Pierce
this deal and that's that's just a fact. Yeah, so
this is cool, man. I appreciate thank you for having
me in the midxt hell yeah, okay, So I'm excited
because you gave us a conspiracy theory that broke a
few records here, mainly in the length of the conspiracy
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theory that the title of it in and of itself
is the longest conspiracy theory that anyone has ever served
up to us. It's a shocking one. It's one I
had never heard before in my life, and I'm excited
for us to be able to dig into it because
it's it's just got so much mystique around it. Let's
say that. But you've told us, my mama told me.
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Billy Blanks and Wesley Snipes both audition for the lead
role in the movie Passage of fifty seven, but Wesley
Snipes lied and gave Billy Blanks the wrong audition location.
So Wesley Snipes booked apart and Billy Blanks ended up
doing Tibo, which he made a lot of money on.
He was not that was not the path he chose
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for himself. Off the rip. Right, you're saying that Billy
didn't want to be the tybo guy. I just think
that this is uh first off, I heard this conspiracy
theory in college late nineties Florida and m University, and
it's one that's always lingered in my head no matter
when I see Wesley Snipes. And this is not taking
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anything away from Wesley Snipes catalog of theatrical amazement, right,
go all the way back to sugar Hill, all the
way up to Dolomite. Is my name? His name is
his name? But I always wonder because Wesley came up
at a time in Hollywood where they weren't gonna give
you more than one black and one particular category, and
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Wesley Snipes checked off the dark skinned karate brother because
at the time the Karate Brothers they were Karate brothers.
They went down the list, They're like, look, we got Wesley,
that's all wet and Wesley could do so much more. Well,
we will never know whether or not Billy Blank's half
the dramatic chops good Billy Blanks have pulled off to
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one food. Thanks for everything, Julie Newmark. We'll never know
because the streets say that Wesley undercut Billy Blanks. Wow, Okay,
there's a lot to unpack here. I don't let me
just also let me just also say before we really
delve into this, this is Morel's conspiracy theories that I've
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heard that when it was presented to me at the time,
with the technology available to us at the time, I
was like, that sounds plausible. But now that I'm older
and I look back, I second guess the validity of this. However,
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l A is a shady place, man, fuck it, I'm
gonna just say it. LA is a shady ass place.
So you don't know if this really happened or not.
And even if it wasn't Wesley, maybe one of his
white agents or somebody pulled the flim flam on Billy. Okay,
let's start right from the beginning, because I think that
you're digging into a lot of important stuff here. You
hear this and you're immediately like, hell, yeah, I'm bought in?
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Is that? Would you say that's the case? You were like, Okay,
of course Wesley pulled these shenanigans with Billy Blanks. Well,
it started because I got chestiyse Um. I was dating
the girl at the time who really wanted to Tabo DVD?
Every time the Tabo DVD came up, every time the
commercial came on, she'd be like, man, I need to
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order that. So then, being a man fulfilling needs, I
bought her a whole box set. Okay, hold on, big buss, dog,
I've seen you out here by seven dollars, brother, seven dollars,
all the tabos, at which time I was educated that
you don't buy a woman exercise equipment. You don't buy
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a woman anything that suggests she's anything other than perfect.
And I got dogged out by my mom and most
of everybody on her side and my side of the family,
and rightfully so hindsight, but that was the impetus for
the conversation. Oh, by the way, did you know Billy
Blanks was supposed to be in passenger seven and said,
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what so this girl you're dating is the one that
tells you this? No, no, no, It was her aunt,
to be fair, though her aunt had also done two
tours of you know, desert storm, so she wasn't right.
She wasn't right. Wait a minute, so you're saying to
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first go for this lady having been in war and
she's making up rumors about Billy Blake. You don't know
if it's made up Lankston because at the time, but
the technology available you had to believe that. This is
dial up Internet era internet. You can't just google something.
You have to go to a building. Right. This is
even before asking Jeeves. This is like the the Escape
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Navigator brother. Yeah, I got you. So. Yeah. It was
her aunt, who you know, kind of gave me the
quick rundown. I didn't really delve into it any deeper
than that. She said that she's a veteran. You don't
question the vet like a fact. They came off her tongue.
I don't like Western Snipe's in it. Damn wait, he
stole passenger seven from Billy Blanks. That's why I support
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Billy Blakes. I got you. So this was not only
a declaration of Wesley Snipes evil or sort of like
this one. She This was her saying I stand with
Billy Blanks. I believe in the truth that is Billy Blanks. Correct.
You did the right thing and buying those Billy Blanks
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DVDs and supporting that, brother, But what you should have
done this bottom for yourself and then ask your girl
to work out with that would have been the right place.
So she hits you with Billy Blanks is a hero,
Wesley snips as a monster. And here's a little game
for yourself, just in case you decide to ever buy
a woman workout equipment again, do it this way. And
that's for the listeners to if you want to buy
something for your girl, either buy for yourself and share
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it or by two. I'm not even sure if that
second piece of advice is solid. Listen, I'm not married.
Don't listen to me. I am married. And the work
that I've had to do to trick both myself and
my wife into working out, it's a dance, man, you
know what I mean. Like, you can't you can't just
be like, hey, I think you need to get it together.
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We need to get it together. And that's a it's
a dance, for sure. But okay, so you hear this
from this, uh, you have no way of verifying it.
And at that point you don't want to verify. You're like,
this is as good as a fact. To me, I'm satisfied.
Why would a black woman veteran lie to me? Sure
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it wasn't like she said Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
She was like Noel Like she presented it like she
had heard it somewhere, like BT Nightly News with Ed
Gordon mentioned it back in the day young people. BET
used to have Nightly and so that's the way she
presented like this was just a known thing. I read
it in Jet magazine. Billy Blanks was supposed to audition
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for Passenger fifty seven. Were you at this point a
fan of either of their careers? Were you a Billy
Blanks man? Were you a Wesley Snipe's head? Where were
you at in terms of your positioning on the Come on, man,
you can't you can't be a black kid in the
nineties growing up in that hip hop era and not
have been a fan of Wesley Snipes after New Jack
City if I'm not mistaken. New Jack City was ninety one,
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maybe ninety two, it was. It was the same vicinity
as Boys in the Hood. Yeah, he had a run society. Yeah,
he had a black run before he even did the
crossover action stuff. Right. He was sort of Spike's muse
for a second, and then he's sort of like transitioned
into like being this sort of sexy flexy, you know,
a dude, he did Passenger fifty seven. He did too,
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Jang food. I feel like somewhere in there Blade Blade
was a nineties movie, the first Blade. Yeah, I think
it's a little late. Are in the nineties. I'm seeing
from Olivia that it's ninety eight that Blade comes around.
But to your point, you gotta Blake doesn't happen without
that showing that range and those other films first. And
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so I was a hundred percent of Wesley Snipes fan.
Billy Blanks. I only knew from a couple of DVDs
that I would never rent because like Billy Blanks movies,
and it's in the knock on Billy, because a lot
of his stuff is just straight to DVD. The game
was the game, that's where he was at. But Billy
Blanks movies. With the movies I would consider renting if
the stuff I went to Blockbuster four wasn't there, right,
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That's that Billy Blanks had a real like Aladdin to
energy in his Pull up this catalog, pull up any
Billy Blank's movie in the nineties and just read me
the title of the film and tell me if that's
something that you would just immediately go yes, I would
like that for two nights at my home. Yeah, this
is the movie I want to see. It's called The
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King of Kickboxers or yeah. Yeah, and that's a real one.
Like you didn't just make that up, but it sounded
like you did. Know. Here's another one, Showdown. Yeah, is
that the one with the white dude? It's it's like
a bootleg lethal weapon. I think most of Billy blanks
films are that. It's it's like a white dude who's
real good at karate and Billy Blanks start against his
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ass kick. Yeah, it's just Billy Blank's being like a
karate assist to a more capable white man. Is he
played a cop and some of that stuff and a
lot of it was just retread versions of stuff that
have been done better at on a bigger studio level.
And I don't know if that's Billy Blank's fault or not.
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You know, I'm not trying to attack the man's career.
But you asked me a question which one was more
popular than who had to Juice Sor? In ninety six?
It was Wesley Snipe without a doubt. Right, that's not
even up for debate. And I think to your point,
there's a question or a potential issue in this is
that maybe that juice was all spawned from Wesley Snipe's
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being manipulative and scamming Billy Blanks out of a bigger opportunity.
Correct that maybe he doesn't have to make showdown too,
if in fact, Wesley makes this a fair and square
audition opportunity. If it's true, there's so many other people
who I think failed Billy Blanks. It's bigger than Western.
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Hold on, I'm gonna know. I'm gonna stop you there
because this is exciting, because this feels like now that's
how they get you, do you know what I mean?
Like I want to hear more about these other people
who potentially failed Billy Blanks. Where who else in this
chain of events that is really letting Billy? Who let
Billy down? So I can only speak from one experience.
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I've only been on the casting side of a television
show once, which is my Comedy Central pilot last year.
And so you have a list, you know who's coming
in to auditions, and everyone is set pretty much essentially
in fifteen minute intervals, and then you put a every hour,
you have a ten minute break for yourself for your
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own mental stupidity because it's a five six hours. For
six hours, you're watching people come in one by one
and deliver the same page of dialogue, figure out who's good,
and they all kind of look alike, and they are
doing the same intonations over and over again. It just
as an exhausting process on the spirit, right, and you
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want to be able to delineate the good from the beast,
so you have to take breaks and so. But you're
really excited to see all of these people because all
of these people were recommended by someone or you saw
them do something. So there isn't anyone that's auditioning for
something that you're casting that you're not excited to see
and you want them to do well. So if I'm
casting Passenger fifty seven and I'm the casting director and
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I see black person at the black person coming in,
I see Western Snipes come in and go always bet
on black, and then Didn't Selle comes in, You see black,
Yeah better that, and then Forest Whittaker black black looking
recommendation for that black my eyes up, you're disrespectful. So
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you see all of those legends of blackness come in
one by one by one, you're checking them off from
the list, and then you look at your clock and
let's say Billy Blanks had a four o'clock, right, it's fourteen,
it's for fifteen, it's four thirty, and you haven't seen
a herd from Billy. The polite thing for me to
do as a casting person is to make a call
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to Billy's representatives and go, hey, where is this niggat? Right?
It's five? Do I need to wait? But can I
bounce check on Billy? Exactly? And no one checked on Billy.
So Wesley calls and you know, runs the flam flam. Yeah,
tell Billy, we're auditioning it in a different place. So here.
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I love that. That's how Wesley Snipe sucks in your head.
It's just like Antonio Vargas. Yeah, tell that motherfucking Billy.
It's so remember this is early nineties. This is pre
cell phone, maybe car phone if you're a bawler. But
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I don't feel like Wesley or Billy would have splurged
on that expenditure, like a car phone plan. It's like
it was. It was crazy. Yeah, it was expensive enough
to install, it was another crazy expense to even maintain
and make real literally mark like people like those old
school brick gray cell phones from the early nineties. They
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were literally marketed as a way to call for help
if you were in trouble. It was literally it wasn't
about socialized and it's like, put this in your car
so when you break down, you don't have to walk
to a pay phone. This might save your life. Please
do not make any other calls on this. It's very expensive. Correct.
And so the only thing I can think is that
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maybe Westerley called Billy earlier in the day and he
got the message on his answer machine. But you know,
in those days, what you could do was call your
house and check your voicemail to see if someone called you.
So I just feel like the casting director could have
at least called Billy's house and said, hey, where the
fund is Billy? Is he here? And then Billy would
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have got that message, and then Billy would have called
the casting office. That's failure number one. Failure number two
is Billy Blanks not having the information from his representation
on where the audition was, who was conducting the audition,
and the contact information of those parties, so that the
moment Billy Blanks pulls up at this Dumby address, that's
not really the passenger abandoned warehouse where there's nothing happening here,
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fucking quiz nos. You pull up through the address and
it's a somebody in the cut making sandwiches. Billy Blank
should have asked the change for a dollar, taking his
course to a pay phone and called the number on
the advanced sheet that his representation should have provided him.
And then we would have answered the phone and be like, hey, Billy,
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where are you? And he'd be like, nigga, I'm at
a quiz note and I'd be like, okay, do me
a favorite head on over here so you can get
this role. Yeah, you're making I think at a very
important point that even if in fact Wesley did go
through all of these steps to sabotage Billy Blanks, there
should have been people in his life that cared enough
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to step in and say, no, Billy, get your ass
back this way, this is the correct address. We believe,
We believe Wesley stabatize you, and you can still get
this audition. It's a tragedy, man, It's a tragedy all around.
And I know he made billions of dollars, you know,
becoming you know, an exercise guru and that type of
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stuff is very important. You know, everybody's path is their path,
and Billy Blanks reinvigorated a lot people's lives and the
gift of physical fitness and a new lifestyle. I would
argue that that's as meaningful and transformative as going to
see a Wesley Snipes film. Well, yeah, I'd say at
least Blade Trinity. It's I don't know if it's the
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best Wesley Snipes film, but it's one of his, you know,
mid it's the little like regular as movies that Wesley.
You gotta read up on that he hated, that he
hated buddy. That's in the research we we will unpack
that Blade Trinity is maybe one of the biggest turning
points in Wesley Snipes's career. And maybe I would argue
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as much as going to jail for tax evasion. Yeah, yeah,
I would argue that, all right, we're gonna take a
break and then we'll be back with more Worrywood Jr.
And more. My mama told me we back. I got
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brunk guides. Ain't nobody got time for that. And we're back.
We're back here with more Roy Wood Jr. More. My
mama told me. We're still talking about that trickery that
Wesley Snipes pulled on Billy Blanks and possibly changed his
career for allegedly the fact. I do think you made
a really important point that Billy Blanks is a hugely
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successful person, but it's not a success that he necessarily
wanted for himself, or at least not the way that
he imagined it. And that's got to be a complicated
way to go to bed every night, if that makes sense. Yeah,
assuming that that's what Billy wanted, we don't know what
he wanted, Like, we don't know the path because all
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we know, Billy Blanks could have been kicking the ass
at the gym and some white woman came over and go, wow,
you have so many muscles to teach me. He's like,
bit y'll charge you. And then that VHS got somebody
and it's it's like karate. He's like, he's like, yeah,
that's what it is called. Its taekwondo and boxing tabo.
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Uh oh. This is a great example. You know the
All State Guy and how the All State Guy for
years was a very legitimate actor that you see it
still is Dennis Haysburg. There's a respect on Pedro Serrano's
name from the Major League and you know his name,
and you know all these important things that he's done.
But now he's reached the point in his career where
if you watch the All State commercials, they're being self
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aware and they're going, you're the All State guy, You're
the percent off dude in a way that I know
that's not what he dreamt of. Like, I'm sure he's fine,
I'm sure he's making money, but it's not exactly the
way that he imagined things going. To me, the difference
between the Dennis Haysbert and say Billy Blanks in that
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sense is that then this Hazeberg still books acting role, yes,
like he still gets cast on shows. Now are those
shows as popular as All State in terms of personal branding?
And I don't know, but I know once Billy Blanks
did TIBO, he didn't get to do a Showdown three
right Showdown pulled that contract. I don't know, Maybe he
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didn't want it, you know, I don't know, man, But
it's always something that's always been in the back of
my mind, is if Billy Blanks had been in Passenger,
what happens to his career and more funnily, what happens
to West the Stikes. That was West crossover action movie
in an era where it was a lot of white
men doing rock'am sock'em a black man lead in an
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action film, and specifically an action film where he's like, uh,
he's in the air, Like, this isn't just die hard
on the plane exactly. This isn't just some street dude
who has to like fight back in his commun unity.
This was like a legit. Wesley had a white woman
on his phone, you know what I mean. Yeah, he's employed,
He's got a good job fighting in the sky. This
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was a big deal. It's a it was a hit. Well,
I don't know that it was a critically acclaimed it,
but it changed Wesley's trajectory undeniably. So I did some research.
I unpacked some of the things that you said, and
even in immediately looking this up, there's not a lot
that pops up, if anything, regarding this conspiracy theory. Most
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of the things that I found, uh that pertained to
Wesley Snipes and Billy Blanks are people on the internet
speculating who would win in a fight between Wesley Snipes
and Billy Blanks. And then for some reason, they throw
Michael GI White into that same conversation. I would say, Michael,
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I don't know enough about Billy Blank's training to know anything,
but I do know that Michael Ji like legit trained
all over the world. Yeah, I think if if I
had to make a guess, it would be Michael Ji
White would beat the ship out of both of them.
Billy Blanks probably would be second, and then Wesley Snipes,
who well what hear me out. Billy Blanks apparently has
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three hundred confirmed winds as a martial artist and was
once the captain of the US martial arts team like
for the Olympics. He's a he was a legit fighter. Now.
I did also watch a video of Billy Blanks getting
knocked out in nineteen eighties something at a martial arts
tournament on accident. But he seems to have a man
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who He's a man who has a bit of a
name in the community. Michael Ji White is somebody who
I've heard multiple people be like, I'm actually scared of
this motherfucker if he ever decides to uh fight. Wesley
Snipes is uh real good at kicking. I saw Michael
Ja right, and one of them healthy eating spots l A.
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And I'm not gonna say the location because I don't
want to. You know, stars like to eat in the cut,
you know, for people. But it was like one of
the most I want to spot to get your avocado
with your eggs and ship, well, it's a nice place.
And just I've never seen someone being timidating while eating
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waves Ranchero's eggs, Like like if I was his waiter,
I would have been scared to go over and say hello.
Like just and this is Black Dynamite era Michael John White,
so he doesn't even have to do full kung food
no more on screen. He just chooses he could have
got a stunt double for half of that ship. He
was doing a Black dynam right, Michael John was like, nah,
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I want to kick Yeah, it does feel like at
a certain point he just wrote that in the contract
where he was like, hey man, I want to do karate.
I don't know how you gonna mix that into this story,
but I'm gonna need to kick somebody at some point.
So that's their internet is mostly filled with that. So
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one of the things that I decided to do was
that because this story really is rooted in Wesley Snipes character,
not his acting ability, not like his you know, talent,
It's more about the character. What I decided to do
was collect a lot of evidence on Wesley Snipes as
a person and allow us to make a final decision
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at the end about whether or not we think that
Wesley had the potential to do what he did in
tricking Billy Blanks. All right, so, uh, Number one in
terms of us learning about the Wesley Snipes of the world.
In Wesley Snipes is accused of physically abusing Halle Berry
so bad that she lost eighty percent of the hearing
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in her ear. That's number one. That's early in Wesley's
career that him and Halle are dating and he beats
the hearing out of her ear. Number two, Wesley Snipes
gets caught carrying a concealed semi automatic weapon after a
motorcycle accident in l A, which leads to two years probation.
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The gun apparently is filled with hollow points for some reason,
because my man's an action start, he needed the good
bullets in there. Okay, okay. Number I mean, if you're
gonna have a semi automatic, you may as well have
hollow points. I am trying to kill you a gun.
I don't want these to just bounce off. I donned
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trying to merge. Honestly, that's more reasonable all bullets. Hollow
Points continues. Nineteen ninety four, Wesley goes on a hundred
and twenty mile per hour high speed chase with police,
which ends with him crashing his motorcycle, and he claims
that he never once heard the police behind him for
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the entirety of the thirty mile pursuit. I believe that.
Do you think he just didn't hear them? Yeah, unless
they sped up alongside motorcycles allowed, Okay, I don't know.
You're not buying out with I unders I understand why
we have to go on this journey through Wesley's life
to decide whether or not he was duplicited. So it's
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admissible in terms of just assessing character. Continue and I
think you're making a solid point. I think some of
the arguments were from his lawyers that Wesley didn't hear them,
and the motorcycle crash that they claimed that happened was
actually a bump from the police intentionally knocking him off
of his motorcycle. They tried to kill the mother. You
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know what I'm saying. Maneuver, Yeah, exact pursuit intervention exactly.
So you're not a here, you know what I mean?
These police officers are not heroes in this situation, nor
are they ever heroes in any situation. But I think
in particular, the way that you can phrase this, it
makes it seem as if old Wesley just wouldn't obey
the law. Meanwhile, these motherfuckers are trying to knock a
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man off a motorcycle at a hundred and twenty miles
per hour. And that's so, what did he do? Probably
a couple of fines. They actually decided to just give
him a single fine for like basically reckless driving, and
then they let him go about his day because it's
early in his career. But it's hot, Wesley Snipes, If
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that makes sense. Okay, this is where we get into
the fund stuff we talked about Blade Trinity earlier. Wesley
Snipes during Blade Trinity sued New Line Cinemas for five
million dollars after he shot because Number one, he claimed
that they broke contract in terms of his decision making
on the editing of the film Number two because they
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apparently did something that fucked with his money because they
were technically being paid through like Canada and a Swiss
bank or some relationship, and so he's trying to basically
not have to pay taxes on money that he's receiving
from this film, and said that new Line set it
up that way and then fucked him on that. And
then lastly, he claims that the director and the writers
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of the film are racist based on an incident on set. Okay,
now that's not criminalistic, but I get it. It's definitely misbehaving.
It's he said, they said. I know him and Ryan
Reynolds didn't get along for the most part on set,
so I'm glad you brought up people not liking him
on set. I actually pulled a quote from Patton Oswald,
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who was a writer on Blade Trinity. I don't know
if you knew that, but he also played a go
in He he wrote Blade Trinity. Uh, and he said
on set, and I'm gonna quote him here, Wesley Snipes
was just fucking crazy in a hilarious way. He wouldn't
come out of this trailer and he would smoke weed
all day. Then. I remember one day on set they
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let everyone pick their own clothes and there was this
black actor who was also kind of a club kid,
and he wore this shirt with a word garbage on
it in big stylish letters. It was his shirt, and
Wesley came down to the set, which he only did
for close ups. Everything else was done by his standing.
I only did one scene with him, but he comes
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on set and goes, there's only one other black guy
in this movie, and you make him wear a shirt
that says garbage. You race this motherfucker? Yo. If that's
coming from Pad and I got to believe it. Pat
Oswald is one of the most open and as open.
I don't know if you've seen Pat Oswald's last two
specials have, but it's open as he's been about his
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own life. Right, How would he make up this mean
thing about Wesley's knips given everything that he's explored in
his own personal experiences? Okay? So is that all of them? Oh? No,
there's way more. So Okay, maybe I get to the Texas. Okay,
so there's more, even from Blade Trinity. At one point,
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Wesley pulled the director David Goyer aside and basically asked
him to quit the production, saying that he was detrimental
to the project. The director then rebuts that Wesley should
be the one who quits the production since they already
got all of his close ups and they don't need
him anymore. They could just use the stunt double. It's
speculated it's alleged that Wesley gets uncomfortable and then stop
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speaking to the director completely for the rest of the
shoot and will only communicate with him through post it notes,
which he signs from Blade I hope to one day
as send to this level of things. Oh that's amazing. Yeah,
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you know, he wasn't doing that with Spike. Yeah, he
was younger, and but that's what I'm saying. He had
to earn that psychosis. You had to earn that point
where you're like, you're not gonna while out on the
set of Jungle Feet. Now you gotta get there. You
gotta make that. It was probably that was also to
be fair, also, Spike Lee SAIDs are probably far more
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inclusive than a major, big budget action sequel. You know, right, Okay,
keep going. So there's even some suggestions that I read
that because he's so angry with this director and angry
with the production, that Wesley snipes for major portions of
the film. Even during his close ups, will only shoot
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with his eyes closed. That like, they basically had to
keep his sunglasses on for more scenes than they should
have because he just won't open his eyes while he's acting. Now, okay,
so when we start with allegations of physical assault, and
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we've worked our way all the way down to well,
I heard that he didn't like the food that they all, Right,
at what point do we draw the line? All Right,
we got enough to make a diagnosis. Sure, I think
that we've had enough for a while. But I'll hit
you with a few more and then we'll make a
final decision. You know, from two thousand and one, Wesley
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basically didn't pay taxes and then he basically owe seven
million for tax evasion to the I r. S. He
goes to jail for it. Right now. He also went
to Africa during that time and hit, well, we'll stalling
on coming home to either I'm not sure if it
was to report to prison or if it was to
actually face trial for those actually try he just sort
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of tries to do a Roman Polanski type thing and
I'm just gonna chill somewhere else. But he was making films.
He was legit like Hey, I'm over making a film. No,
we still it's been a year. Yeah, damn, this is
the longest film I ever shot. I don't know what's
wrong with it. It was that type of I got you.
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So when he gets out of jail and this actually
speaks I think in the opposite direction. He gets out
of jail, he goes in for seven million dollars. He
gets out and the I R S is like, a bro,
you owe us eighteen million, and Wesley sues the I
R S. He's like, no, are you insane. I'm not
paying you eighteen million for Where is that money going
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to come from? He says, I'll give you eight hundred
and fifty thousand. That's my compromise to whatever you're asking for,
and the I R S eventually negotiates it to nine
point five millions, which Wesley apparently still owes. I don't
know how it works me neither. They just take a pinch.
As long as you're making money, they take a pen, right,
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And that's what his claim was, was like y'all just
making up numbers. Now you're like looking at my career
and being like, I bet this is what we can
get from well as a person who has been audited
by the I R S three times. There is some
validity to Mr Snipes's allegations in our government does just
go you jillion bill. And I'm like, what I did
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a college for nine hundred dollars early on, like when
I first started in colleges and stuff, and this is
like oh, five oh six. The college paid me nine
hundred dollars, but on the ten nine nine, they didn't
put a decimal point, so it looked like I got
paid ninety thousand dollars. And so when you don't claim
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ninety thousand dollars, they call you into the office conversation.
And I got all my paperwork. I'm not like Wesley.
I ain't gonna hide in Africa. Like let's let's discuss this.
And I'm like, as you can see, all these other
colleges all paid me, you know, a hundred dollars on
either side or that's my I either make seven fifty
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or I make nine d n like that's what I
make for a college. And I was like, let's do
it for audit. And so once you get audited, you
essentially get reaudited every two years for like two or
three more audits. Your your name just keeps coming up
oddly because they keep flagging your account to make sure
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that you're not trying to claim ninety thousand dollars, right,
so they just will pull you will literally just get
a letter in the marriage just go yeah, what's up
on that three day? Just like we're still looking at you, dog. Yeah,
And that's fine. I respect, I'm on your radar. Cool,
but don't just tell me what I Oh, let's have
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a conversation. I will bring you my paced ubs and
my gas receipts. Man, I had everything. You're thrown away
young comedians and they say, oh, after seven years, no,
keep it. I got my tax returns from O two
just in case, bitch, I'm ready come for me. I'm ready.
So Wesley, as an attempt to make up for the
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money that he in theory owes to the I R S,
desides that the best way to do it is through fighting.
And I don't know if you know this. He challenged
Joe Rogan to like a public fight for money, and
Joe Rogan agreed to it. They were gonna square. It
was Wesley's knipes and Joe Rogan, we're supposed to swear
off four months yeah, Christmas and Christmas Day and you
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get to watch Joe Rogan and Wesley's nice beat the
ship out of each other. But then apparently all sorts
of shenanigans took place that kept the fight from ever
transpired commissions and all of that, exactly, and so finally
that would have been a good fight in his current
career as a sort of man now, you know, making
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the rounds, doing cool movies and popping into things, but
not necessarily being the big action star we once knew people, Yeah, exactly.
But people have been asking Wesley what do you want
to do with your career now? How are you feeling
about your career? And his response now is he's more
focused on dance. He's not at all interested in acting.
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He says he feels more fulfilled in the world of
dance and martial arts, and in particular, he also has
been working on a book, uh series, a trilogy of
books called Only of God that the first book already exists,
and he has a number of books that he also
is like, I guess working on and trying to make Okay,
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I mean, he's not the right to pivot. He's an OJ.
So let's go back to the original crime of which
we're alleging him, which is shadily telling another actor the
wrong place for an audition. Do you, in fact think
that Wesley Snipes, given everything that we've now learned about him,
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has the potential to do something that nefarious? I just
do not think that he would do that to another
brother coming off of if passage of fifty seven at
the time, this is his first real crossover into mainstream land.
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I just don't know. Man. You didn't come from too
many black projects at that point, so you know what
other black actors are going through. You understand the struggle
of getting to that point made the best man win.
I'm sure you have to audition against a bunch of
other vets to get New Jack City and to get
Jungle Feed and to get Sugar Like I am more
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inclined to believe the halle Berry allegations than I am
the Billy Blake's. Now, if you did one that you've
done the other. Possibly, possibly, But I am more inclined
to believe that. And it sounds crazy to say, you
know that, I am more inclined to believe what Hallie
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said because Hallie also, much like Ryan Reynolds and pad Now, Well,
she ain't got a reason a lie. I don't think
the record, but I know that's what that's what the
streets say about this, So I'm more inclined to believe that.
But when you look at everything else Wesley did, it
was anti establishment the government. So I'm gonna speed for
the government, so I ain't gonna pay my taxes. I'm
tired of these white people on set, so I'm gonna
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active donkey around these white You can't show me anything
else in his track record that was just straight up
platently anti black like that. I think that that's a
that's a clear good take on this. I think that Wesley,
for the most part has supported black people, even during
his most wild and sort of like crazy decisions. He's
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never been anti black. If his behavior on Blade Trinity,
if that happened, that was in support of the black
man that was wearing the garbage. He's a man. He's
not the only other black person on this set. He
was wearing a shirt that said garbage and he said
not on the Wesley production. Yeah, that's a tough one.
That's a tough one, you know. I think that the
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Halleberry allegation puts me on the bubble. But when you
add gender to an argument about race, does that make
it a different reason for that transgression? And you also
look into how some men want to feel powerful over
women and how a man relates to a woman. To me,
makes that different from Wesley versus Billy Blank's right, even
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if the Halley stuff is true, I don't feel like
a man that man who could put his hands on
a woman would also be the same man that would
take something away from a black man, as backwards as
that sounds, just in looking at his if you just
look at all his transgressions, how many were anti black men?
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And I think to your point, there's an entire way
of thinking for certain men that, like you, support black
men at all times, and we sometimes forget that black
women fall into the exact same sort of need and
importance for support, and so it's egregious, it's as whole behavior.
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But that's what I'm saying. Maybe he's one of them
type two. I ain't studying these women, but my brother,
the mazing, like you could be pro black man and
anti black woman. There's a lot of his Sadly, is
a lot of people that fall into that bucket. I
just I don't know, man, I just don't know if
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Wesley did this, man, Wesley, I don't know if Wesley
did this to Billy Blank. You heard it here first, everyone,
Wesley Snipes did not sabotage Billy Blanks. Billy got what
he deserved by your Tybo DVDs. Because the man is
living out the life that was meant for him. Google
how much money Billy Blanks made off Tybo and see
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if you still feel sorry he did good. Billy is fine.
I don't know if it was three digit millions, but
he definitely in the two digits. I think I saw that.
Billy is worth like thirty million dollars or something like that.
I'll take it. The average American only sees three million
before they die. Yeah, Billy's doing okay, Hell yeah. All right,
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We're gonna take a break and we'll be back with
more Wood Jr. And more. My mom and told me
we are that anyway, We're back here with more of
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My mama told me more Roy Wood Jr. We're still
we're defending Wesley Snipes at this point, maybe not his
character as a whole, but we're certainly defending him against
the possibility that he actually tricked his counterpart, Billy Blanks,
out of an audition opportunity that would have changed both
of their lives. I just think that even if Wesley
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did it, there are other people who feel Billy Blanks
as well. Exactly Wesley is not the greatest criminal in
this story. I don't I don't think it's true. Man.
I know this girl's aunt told me this, but you
know she might have been dealing. This is the nineties.
They wasn't checking for pt back then. This girl aunt
came straight from the Persian Gulf War, God blessing, thank
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you for your service, then just started spewing random rumors.
Are that wasn't her only Wesley Snipes rumor. I'm sure
she had plenty of others. Because she didn't like the motherfucker.
She was gonna say whatever she needed to about Wesley's nights.
That's not fair. That's not fair. It's not fair. But
you know what is fair is Wesley Snipes is in
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fact writing a book. He's written a book, and he
has two more on the way. They are entitled Talent
of God and what I Thought We should Do as
a fun little game, A fun way to end this
thing off is. I'm going to read us some excerpts
from Talent of God, and I just want you to
give me your general thoughts. How are you feeling about
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Wesley Snipes as an author? Where are you thinking this
story is gonna go? Doesn't have the potential to be
as important in his career as let's say, Blade Too
Hell yet, So I'm gonna at a little bit of
a midpoint in the preface because some of this is
a little long and unnecessary. But he says, uh, spare
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some change for a veteran. Rattle rattle, spare some change
for his voice faded. Someone had stopped a young black
man in a heavy black coat with the shiniest shoes
Lenny had ever seen. That was a good sign, so
Lenny rattled this cup again, giving the smart looking stranger
a snaggle to smile. Spare some change for a veteran, sir,
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I can do better than that, the man said, reaching
into his pocket to draw the crisp folded bill. He
so rarely got paid paper money, but when he did,
it was usually good. A five, maybe even ten, enough
for a hot dinner and maybe coffee tomorrow too. But
his fingers closed around the money. The man with the
shiny shoes didn't let go. How are you feeling so far?
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Hard engage? It's moving, it's you know, I need to
know more about what's happening. Paints a good picture. Sure,
that's all you need for a book. You know the
difference between a book and a TV script. It's just
you just gotta use more adjectives. And the shiny shoes
clink underneath the path inside the shoe, weary souls of
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feet that have walked a million miles with ten million
more miles to go. He's just throwing a metaphor that
lengthens the page a little bit. The corrosion of the
penny in the cup is a clink, flickles up into
the end, up his nostrils, nostrils that are not Smiths like.
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That's to me, that's what books are, versus like a
film script. I'm not chipping on it. I just think
he did that. I just don't know the whole story.
I'll pull us up from audible whenever it's done. Okay,
I don't even know what genre this is? This this
young adult You think like sci fi? Jesus, is that
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a possible genre Jesus, it's sci fi depending on who
you ask. So I'm sitting here just that seemed very
coherent and written by an educated person. Let's it'll be
sold in five years and the trilogy will do four
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million dollars or something. Episode you believe in his work, Yeah,
I mean, people buy books and it's a good time
to be black. All they're doing is adopting black stories
and putting them on TV. So why not Wesley Snipes ship?
So so then I just hope the audiobook is good
because there's a lot of black authors out here reading
their own books, and I'm like, yo, you should have
hired someone. I don't read well out loud, So I
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hope they don't ask me. But I think I think
Wesley will figure it out. I'm sure he can get
somebody to help him with this ship. What we need
from him as a damn autobiography because he's lived a life.
I love that. Let's I want to know everything about
him pre acting like his journey before you know he
drifted into Also, I would love if it had like
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some of that Quincy Jones energy, you know what I mean,
Like if it's just like that raw, untold story, like
you're let's start snitching Wesley, you know what I mean,
like really start like exposing some of those deep truths
that nobody knew about for you in your world. As
Wesley snipes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with that. We'll see. Yeah.
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So after Wesley Snipes listens to this episode and puts
a hit out on you, what's your plan? What country
are you gonna move to? Ghana? Seems cool. My mom's
moving there and I think got some cool stuff going on.
I could be I could be Ghanaian. I'll move to Ghana.
That seems like. Although Wesley was shooting over there, so
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maybe he already has connections. He's got people he could
get me taken care of in Ghana. I gotta move somewhere.
Wesley hasn't worked. He was an international man for a
long time. He's been everywhere. Bro, his passport got all
the stay. Yeah. I really fucked up. Shouldn't well? I
should have never invited you. This is all a trapped
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by you to get me to say mean things about
Wesley Snipes. Don't point to figuring me. I didn't said
nothing bad about him. I just stated the fact of
what her angry told me one time. When I bought
her niece of shitty Christmas, and that's how we ended up.
I gotta blame that on. I gotta trace this back
to the conception of my eventual downfall from Wesley Snipes. Okay,
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for some reason, this made the man smile. And what
if I were to offer you something better, he asked,
reaching his gloved hand inside the heavy winter coat to
pull out a small glass bottle filled with a liquid
so bright green it almost seemed to glow in the
dim light. Something new. Lenny recoiled at once, swearing to himself,
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just his luck, the one bit he got tonight, and
it was a pusher, unlike a lot out of the
people he met on the street. Though Lenny didn't truck
with drugs, he'd had enough chemicals sprayed on him and
nam to last five lifetimes. Na, man, he said, scooting
backwards further into the shelter of the bridge. I don't
touch this stuff. It's free, the man said, tossing the
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green vial casually in his hand. Try it the first,
It was always free, nah, Lenny said, again, backing away.
I'm clean, man, I don't do that. But as Lenny
pushed himself off the pavement to walk away, the man
in black grabbed his arm. I think there's been a
misunderstanding that the stranger said softly. This wasn't a request, Yes,
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John for the karate. It's about that's what That's okay. Yeah, yeah,
I checked this book out of dom Vet, Homeless, getting
Jesus quizzes on the street, and he just break out
into karate fire over a green vial of ooze. That's
not bad. See, I knew where he was going. I
knew he was going. You gotta give Wesley Stacks. What's
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the Stacker deserves at least to finish one of these
books and produced that up. Stop playing and let Wesley
actually make the books that he needs to make, because
y'all ain't letting the world build. Yeah, man, let him
content create, man. I'm with it. I love it. Well.
There's a whole bunch of other stuff about Lenny's eyes
bugging open and this man fist fighting him in the streets,
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but I think you get the idea. Wesley loves Jesus
and love sci fi and loves karate and he wrote
some books about it, so you guys can go check
it out. It's called Talent of God. I don't know
what the talent is, but you know, okay, yeah, well
well yeah, I'll find that on audible. I'll listen to
the it's gonna be read by the All State guy
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and uh, Lenny asked him politely. He said, do not
touch me, motherfucker. Get up off me. Dog. Well, this
was a great time, Roy. Thank you. Tell everybody where
they can find you where what course name is roywood Jr.
(54:09):
Just put it at sign in front of you to
put a dot com behind it. Hell, you ask me
everywhere at that dot dot com. Follow the man. He's hilarious.
He's one of my favorite comedians working. And it's always uh,
you can follow me at Langston Kerman. Just add that
at and put the dot com I'm gonna copy off
of Roy just said, it's easy. It's at the front
(54:30):
dot com. And then you go, uh and you know,
like and subscribe and do all the things you do
the podcast. Thank you, Bye bye, chips in your quality racists.
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Money can't tell me. I look to
I know, like Ryan Reynolds to this day, I just
got rock with Westley Spike such a weird thing, like
we will donate two hundred million dollars to the end
of like that. Ryan Reynolds gave like a disgusting amount
of money to like black causes or summer. But if
you ask them to also, just go shape. Wesley Spike came,
Ryans right now, You're like, listen, black lives matter, but
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you know who's life don't matter that motherfucker Westley's. I
love all black people. Here's money, but make sure Westley
don't get that. If Wesley gets a dime, I take
it back buck Western snack rock chips in yours are
(00:51):
racist wholes whole stan money money stuff you can't tell me.
Oh oh there it is, Yes, ladies and gentlemen, there
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My Mama Told Me, the podcast where we die deep,
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you're wasting your time. What you need is polka dots
(01:38):
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Thank you, Paul Pierce for inspiring so many and I
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I'm your host. Lengthy Kerman is always I'm super excited
to be here today. I don't even want to tell
you about my life right now. My pants no weird
(02:01):
because we have a new washer and dryer and uh,
you know, I haven't learned how to work this ship
properly yet. But I'm excited for my guests because he
can't smell my pants and that's pretty cool. He's hilarious.
He's so funny. He's one of my favorite comedians in
the world today. You know him from The Daily Show.
He's a corresponding on The Daily Show. He has two
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amazing specials called Father Figure and No One Loves to
Do on Comedy Central. So hilarious. Give it up from
my guests. Mr Roy Wood Jr. Of Yes to Better,
give it up. Give it up? How are you up? Man?
I'm good brother. I appreciate this. It's always good to
be around a black podcast. Uhuh, well, that's about all
(02:45):
I can offer you is just being black and podcast
right now. Well, you know what, it's a good thing.
This is. This is a quality and levity and growth,
and you know, I appreciate the invitation. That's what we
strive to do is just provide levity and growth while
we make up weird stuff that we read off the
internet or heard. Well, yeah, let's just start a new
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rooms to spread exactly. I think that is one of
the things that black people have not taken advantage of
enough during all of this, is like, we can cause
chaos too. We don't have to just be the recipients
of white chaos. We can serve up some chaos. Well.
The reason why I like this show and I like
this concept is that no one can really challenge us
(03:29):
on this. We can just say it's true and anyone
who's not black just has to roll with it. And
just what I heard, they said, Paul Pierce has the
greatest facial air of all time. Can't prove it's wrong.
I thought it was Rick Ross. It turns out it's Paul.
Thought it was Joe Button. The way they touched the
(03:50):
bottom of his eyes. But no, they like Paul Pierce
this deal and that's that's just a fact. Yeah, so
this is cool, man. I appreciate thank you for having
me in the midxt hell yeah, okay, So I'm excited
because you gave us a conspiracy theory that broke a
few records here, mainly in the length of the conspiracy
(04:10):
theory that the title of it in and of itself
is the longest conspiracy theory that anyone has ever served
up to us. It's a shocking one. It's one I
had never heard before in my life, and I'm excited
for us to be able to dig into it because
it's it's just got so much mystique around it. Let's
say that. But you've told us, my mama told me.
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Billy Blanks and Wesley Snipes both audition for the lead
role in the movie Passage of fifty seven, but Wesley
Snipes lied and gave Billy Blanks the wrong audition location.
So Wesley Snipes booked apart and Billy Blanks ended up
doing Tibo, which he made a lot of money on.
He was not that was not the path he chose
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for himself. Off the rip. Right, you're saying that Billy
didn't want to be the tybo guy. I just think
that this is uh first off, I heard this conspiracy
theory in college late nineties Florida and m University, and
it's one that's always lingered in my head no matter
when I see Wesley Snipes. And this is not taking
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anything away from Wesley Snipes catalog of theatrical amazement, right,
go all the way back to sugar Hill, all the
way up to Dolomite. Is my name? His name is
his name? But I always wonder because Wesley came up
at a time in Hollywood where they weren't gonna give
you more than one black and one particular category, and
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Wesley Snipes checked off the dark skinned karate brother because
at the time the Karate Brothers they were Karate brothers.
They went down the list, They're like, look, we got Wesley,
that's all wet and Wesley could do so much more. Well,
we will never know whether or not Billy Blank's half
the dramatic chops good Billy Blanks have pulled off to
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one food. Thanks for everything, Julie Newmark. We'll never know
because the streets say that Wesley undercut Billy Blanks. Wow, Okay,
there's a lot to unpack here. I don't let me
just also let me just also say before we really
delve into this, this is Morel's conspiracy theories that I've
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heard that when it was presented to me at the time,
with the technology available to us at the time, I
was like, that sounds plausible. But now that I'm older
and I look back, I second guess the validity of this. However,
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l A is a shady place, man, fuck it, I'm
gonna just say it. LA is a shady ass place.
So you don't know if this really happened or not.
And even if it wasn't Wesley, maybe one of his
white agents or somebody pulled the flim flam on Billy. Okay,
let's start right from the beginning, because I think that
you're digging into a lot of important stuff here. You
hear this and you're immediately like, hell, yeah, I'm bought in?
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Is that? Would you say that's the case? You were like, Okay,
of course Wesley pulled these shenanigans with Billy Blanks. Well,
it started because I got chestiyse Um. I was dating
the girl at the time who really wanted to Tabo DVD?
Every time the Tabo DVD came up, every time the
commercial came on, she'd be like, man, I need to
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order that. So then, being a man fulfilling needs, I
bought her a whole box set. Okay, hold on, big buss, dog,
I've seen you out here by seven dollars, brother, seven dollars,
all the tabos, at which time I was educated that
you don't buy a woman exercise equipment. You don't buy
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a woman anything that suggests she's anything other than perfect.
And I got dogged out by my mom and most
of everybody on her side and my side of the family,
and rightfully so hindsight, but that was the impetus for
the conversation. Oh, by the way, did you know Billy
Blanks was supposed to be in passenger seven and said,
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what so this girl you're dating is the one that
tells you this? No, no, no, It was her aunt,
to be fair, though her aunt had also done two
tours of you know, desert storm, so she wasn't right.
She wasn't right. Wait a minute, so you're saying to
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first go for this lady having been in war and
she's making up rumors about Billy Blake. You don't know
if it's made up Lankston because at the time, but
the technology available you had to believe that. This is
dial up Internet era internet. You can't just google something.
You have to go to a building. Right. This is
even before asking Jeeves. This is like the the Escape
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Navigator brother. Yeah, I got you. So. Yeah. It was
her aunt, who you know, kind of gave me the
quick rundown. I didn't really delve into it any deeper
than that. She said that she's a veteran. You don't
question the vet like a fact. They came off her tongue.
I don't like Western Snipe's in it. Damn wait, he
stole passenger seven from Billy Blanks. That's why I support
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Billy Blakes. I got you. So this was not only
a declaration of Wesley Snipes evil or sort of like
this one. She This was her saying I stand with
Billy Blanks. I believe in the truth that is Billy Blanks. Correct.
You did the right thing and buying those Billy Blanks
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DVDs and supporting that, brother, But what you should have
done this bottom for yourself and then ask your girl
to work out with that would have been the right place.
So she hits you with Billy Blanks is a hero,
Wesley snips as a monster. And here's a little game
for yourself, just in case you decide to ever buy
a woman workout equipment again, do it this way. And
that's for the listeners to if you want to buy
something for your girl, either buy for yourself and share
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it or by two. I'm not even sure if that
second piece of advice is solid. Listen, I'm not married.
Don't listen to me. I am married. And the work
that I've had to do to trick both myself and
my wife into working out, it's a dance, man, you
know what I mean. Like, you can't you can't just
be like, hey, I think you need to get it together.
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We need to get it together. And that's a it's
a dance, for sure. But okay, so you hear this
from this, uh, you have no way of verifying it.
And at that point you don't want to verify. You're like,
this is as good as a fact. To me, I'm satisfied.
Why would a black woman veteran lie to me? Sure
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it wasn't like she said Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy.
She was like Noel Like she presented it like she
had heard it somewhere, like BT Nightly News with Ed
Gordon mentioned it back in the day young people. BET
used to have Nightly and so that's the way she
presented like this was just a known thing. I read
it in Jet magazine. Billy Blanks was supposed to audition
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for Passenger fifty seven. Were you at this point a
fan of either of their careers? Were you a Billy
Blanks man? Were you a Wesley Snipe's head? Where were
you at in terms of your positioning on the Come on, man,
you can't you can't be a black kid in the
nineties growing up in that hip hop era and not
have been a fan of Wesley Snipes after New Jack
City if I'm not mistaken. New Jack City was ninety one,
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maybe ninety two, it was. It was the same vicinity
as Boys in the Hood. Yeah, he had a run society. Yeah,
he had a black run before he even did the
crossover action stuff. Right. He was sort of Spike's muse
for a second, and then he's sort of like transitioned
into like being this sort of sexy flexy, you know,
a dude, he did Passenger fifty seven. He did too,
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Jang food. I feel like somewhere in there Blade Blade
was a nineties movie, the first Blade. Yeah, I think
it's a little late. Are in the nineties. I'm seeing
from Olivia that it's ninety eight that Blade comes around.
But to your point, you gotta Blake doesn't happen without
that showing that range and those other films first. And
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so I was a hundred percent of Wesley Snipes fan.
Billy Blanks. I only knew from a couple of DVDs
that I would never rent because like Billy Blanks movies,
and it's in the knock on Billy, because a lot
of his stuff is just straight to DVD. The game
was the game, that's where he was at. But Billy
Blanks movies. With the movies I would consider renting if
the stuff I went to Blockbuster four wasn't there, right,
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That's that Billy Blanks had a real like Aladdin to
energy in his Pull up this catalog, pull up any
Billy Blank's movie in the nineties and just read me
the title of the film and tell me if that's
something that you would just immediately go yes, I would
like that for two nights at my home. Yeah, this
is the movie I want to see. It's called The
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King of Kickboxers or yeah. Yeah, and that's a real one.
Like you didn't just make that up, but it sounded
like you did. Know. Here's another one, Showdown. Yeah, is
that the one with the white dude? It's it's like
a bootleg lethal weapon. I think most of Billy blanks
films are that. It's it's like a white dude who's
real good at karate and Billy Blanks start against his
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ass kick. Yeah, it's just Billy Blank's being like a
karate assist to a more capable white man. Is he
played a cop and some of that stuff and a
lot of it was just retread versions of stuff that
have been done better at on a bigger studio level.
And I don't know if that's Billy Blank's fault or not.
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You know, I'm not trying to attack the man's career.
But you asked me a question which one was more
popular than who had to Juice Sor? In ninety six?
It was Wesley Snipe without a doubt. Right, that's not
even up for debate. And I think to your point,
there's a question or a potential issue in this is
that maybe that juice was all spawned from Wesley Snipe's
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being manipulative and scamming Billy Blanks out of a bigger opportunity.
Correct that maybe he doesn't have to make showdown too,
if in fact, Wesley makes this a fair and square
audition opportunity. If it's true, there's so many other people
who I think failed Billy Blanks. It's bigger than Western.
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Hold on, I'm gonna know. I'm gonna stop you there
because this is exciting, because this feels like now that's
how they get you, do you know what I mean?
Like I want to hear more about these other people
who potentially failed Billy Blanks. Where who else in this
chain of events that is really letting Billy? Who let
Billy down? So I can only speak from one experience.
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I've only been on the casting side of a television
show once, which is my Comedy Central pilot last year.
And so you have a list, you know who's coming
in to auditions, and everyone is set pretty much essentially
in fifteen minute intervals, and then you put a every hour,
you have a ten minute break for yourself for your
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own mental stupidity because it's a five six hours. For
six hours, you're watching people come in one by one
and deliver the same page of dialogue, figure out who's good,
and they all kind of look alike, and they are
doing the same intonations over and over again. It just
as an exhausting process on the spirit, right, and you
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want to be able to delineate the good from the beast,
so you have to take breaks and so. But you're
really excited to see all of these people because all
of these people were recommended by someone or you saw
them do something. So there isn't anyone that's auditioning for
something that you're casting that you're not excited to see
and you want them to do well. So if I'm
casting Passenger fifty seven and I'm the casting director and
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I see black person at the black person coming in,
I see Western Snipes come in and go always bet
on black, and then Didn't Selle comes in, You see black,
Yeah better that, and then Forest Whittaker black black looking
recommendation for that black my eyes up, you're disrespectful. So
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you see all of those legends of blackness come in
one by one by one, you're checking them off from
the list, and then you look at your clock and
let's say Billy Blanks had a four o'clock, right, it's fourteen,
it's for fifteen, it's four thirty, and you haven't seen
a herd from Billy. The polite thing for me to
do as a casting person is to make a call
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to Billy's representatives and go, hey, where is this niggat? Right?
It's five? Do I need to wait? But can I
bounce check on Billy? Exactly? And no one checked on Billy.
So Wesley calls and you know, runs the flam flam. Yeah,
tell Billy, we're auditioning it in a different place. So here.
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I love that. That's how Wesley Snipe sucks in your head.
It's just like Antonio Vargas. Yeah, tell that motherfucking Billy.
It's so remember this is early nineties. This is pre
cell phone, maybe car phone if you're a bawler. But
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I don't feel like Wesley or Billy would have splurged
on that expenditure, like a car phone plan. It's like
it was. It was crazy. Yeah, it was expensive enough
to install, it was another crazy expense to even maintain
and make real literally mark like people like those old
school brick gray cell phones from the early nineties. They
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were literally marketed as a way to call for help
if you were in trouble. It was literally it wasn't
about socialized and it's like, put this in your car
so when you break down, you don't have to walk
to a pay phone. This might save your life. Please
do not make any other calls on this. It's very expensive. Correct.
And so the only thing I can think is that
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maybe Westerley called Billy earlier in the day and he
got the message on his answer machine. But you know,
in those days, what you could do was call your
house and check your voicemail to see if someone called you.
So I just feel like the casting director could have
at least called Billy's house and said, hey, where the
fund is Billy? Is he here? And then Billy would
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have got that message, and then Billy would have called
the casting office. That's failure number one. Failure number two
is Billy Blanks not having the information from his representation
on where the audition was, who was conducting the audition,
and the contact information of those parties, so that the
moment Billy Blanks pulls up at this Dumby address, that's
not really the passenger abandoned warehouse where there's nothing happening here,
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fucking quiz nos. You pull up through the address and
it's a somebody in the cut making sandwiches. Billy Blank
should have asked the change for a dollar, taking his
course to a pay phone and called the number on
the advanced sheet that his representation should have provided him.
And then we would have answered the phone and be like, hey, Billy,
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where are you? And he'd be like, nigga, I'm at
a quiz note and I'd be like, okay, do me
a favorite head on over here so you can get
this role. Yeah, you're making I think at a very
important point that even if in fact Wesley did go
through all of these steps to sabotage Billy Blanks, there
should have been people in his life that cared enough
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to step in and say, no, Billy, get your ass
back this way, this is the correct address. We believe,
We believe Wesley stabatize you, and you can still get
this audition. It's a tragedy, man, It's a tragedy all around.
And I know he made billions of dollars, you know,
becoming you know, an exercise guru and that type of
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stuff is very important. You know, everybody's path is their path,
and Billy Blanks reinvigorated a lot people's lives and the
gift of physical fitness and a new lifestyle. I would
argue that that's as meaningful and transformative as going to
see a Wesley Snipes film. Well, yeah, I'd say at
least Blade Trinity. It's I don't know if it's the
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best Wesley Snipes film, but it's one of his, you know,
mid it's the little like regular as movies that Wesley.
You gotta read up on that he hated, that he
hated buddy. That's in the research we we will unpack
that Blade Trinity is maybe one of the biggest turning
points in Wesley Snipes's career. And maybe I would argue
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as much as going to jail for tax evasion. Yeah, yeah,
I would argue that, all right, we're gonna take a
break and then we'll be back with more Worrywood Jr.
And more. My mama told me we back. I got
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brunk guides. Ain't nobody got time for that. And we're back.
We're back here with more Roy Wood Jr. More. My
mama told me. We're still talking about that trickery that
Wesley Snipes pulled on Billy Blanks and possibly changed his
career for allegedly the fact. I do think you made
a really important point that Billy Blanks is a hugely
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successful person, but it's not a success that he necessarily
wanted for himself, or at least not the way that
he imagined it. And that's got to be a complicated
way to go to bed every night, if that makes sense. Yeah,
assuming that that's what Billy wanted, we don't know what
he wanted, Like, we don't know the path because all
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we know, Billy Blanks could have been kicking the ass
at the gym and some white woman came over and go, wow,
you have so many muscles to teach me. He's like,
bit y'll charge you. And then that VHS got somebody
and it's it's like karate. He's like, he's like, yeah,
that's what it is called. Its taekwondo and boxing tabo.
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Uh oh. This is a great example. You know the
All State Guy and how the All State Guy for
years was a very legitimate actor that you see it
still is Dennis Haysburg. There's a respect on Pedro Serrano's
name from the Major League and you know his name,
and you know all these important things that he's done.
But now he's reached the point in his career where
if you watch the All State commercials, they're being self
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aware and they're going, you're the All State guy, You're
the percent off dude in a way that I know
that's not what he dreamt of. Like, I'm sure he's fine,
I'm sure he's making money, but it's not exactly the
way that he imagined things going. To me, the difference
between the Dennis Haysbert and say Billy Blanks in that
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sense is that then this Hazeberg still books acting role, yes,
like he still gets cast on shows. Now are those
shows as popular as All State in terms of personal branding?
And I don't know, but I know once Billy Blanks
did TIBO, he didn't get to do a Showdown three
right Showdown pulled that contract. I don't know, Maybe he
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didn't want it, you know, I don't know, man, But
it's always something that's always been in the back of
my mind, is if Billy Blanks had been in Passenger,
what happens to his career and more funnily, what happens
to West the Stikes. That was West crossover action movie
in an era where it was a lot of white
men doing rock'am sock'em a black man lead in an
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action film, and specifically an action film where he's like, uh,
he's in the air, Like, this isn't just die hard
on the plane exactly. This isn't just some street dude
who has to like fight back in his commun unity.
This was like a legit. Wesley had a white woman
on his phone, you know what I mean. Yeah, he's employed,
He's got a good job fighting in the sky. This
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was a big deal. It's a it was a hit. Well,
I don't know that it was a critically acclaimed it,
but it changed Wesley's trajectory undeniably. So I did some research.
I unpacked some of the things that you said, and
even in immediately looking this up, there's not a lot
that pops up, if anything, regarding this conspiracy theory. Most
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of the things that I found, uh that pertained to
Wesley Snipes and Billy Blanks are people on the internet
speculating who would win in a fight between Wesley Snipes
and Billy Blanks. And then for some reason, they throw
Michael GI White into that same conversation. I would say, Michael,
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I don't know enough about Billy Blank's training to know anything,
but I do know that Michael Ji like legit trained
all over the world. Yeah, I think if if I
had to make a guess, it would be Michael Ji
White would beat the ship out of both of them.
Billy Blanks probably would be second, and then Wesley Snipes,
who well what hear me out. Billy Blanks apparently has
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three hundred confirmed winds as a martial artist and was
once the captain of the US martial arts team like
for the Olympics. He's a he was a legit fighter. Now.
I did also watch a video of Billy Blanks getting
knocked out in nineteen eighties something at a martial arts
tournament on accident. But he seems to have a man
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who He's a man who has a bit of a
name in the community. Michael Ji White is somebody who
I've heard multiple people be like, I'm actually scared of
this motherfucker if he ever decides to uh fight. Wesley
Snipes is uh real good at kicking. I saw Michael
Ja right, and one of them healthy eating spots l A.
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And I'm not gonna say the location because I don't
want to. You know, stars like to eat in the cut,
you know, for people. But it was like one of
the most I want to spot to get your avocado
with your eggs and ship, well, it's a nice place.
And just I've never seen someone being timidating while eating
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waves Ranchero's eggs, Like like if I was his waiter,
I would have been scared to go over and say hello.
Like just and this is Black Dynamite era Michael John White,
so he doesn't even have to do full kung food
no more on screen. He just chooses he could have
got a stunt double for half of that ship. He
was doing a Black dynam right, Michael John was like, nah,
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I want to kick Yeah, it does feel like at
a certain point he just wrote that in the contract
where he was like, hey man, I want to do karate.
I don't know how you gonna mix that into this story,
but I'm gonna need to kick somebody at some point.
So that's their internet is mostly filled with that. So
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one of the things that I decided to do was
that because this story really is rooted in Wesley Snipes character,
not his acting ability, not like his you know, talent,
It's more about the character. What I decided to do
was collect a lot of evidence on Wesley Snipes as
a person and allow us to make a final decision
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at the end about whether or not we think that
Wesley had the potential to do what he did in
tricking Billy Blanks. All right, so, uh, Number one in
terms of us learning about the Wesley Snipes of the world.
In Wesley Snipes is accused of physically abusing Halle Berry
so bad that she lost eighty percent of the hearing
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in her ear. That's number one. That's early in Wesley's
career that him and Halle are dating and he beats
the hearing out of her ear. Number two, Wesley Snipes
gets caught carrying a concealed semi automatic weapon after a
motorcycle accident in l A, which leads to two years probation.
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The gun apparently is filled with hollow points for some reason,
because my man's an action start, he needed the good
bullets in there. Okay, okay. Number I mean, if you're
gonna have a semi automatic, you may as well have
hollow points. I am trying to kill you a gun.
I don't want these to just bounce off. I donned
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trying to merge. Honestly, that's more reasonable all bullets. Hollow
Points continues. Nineteen ninety four, Wesley goes on a hundred
and twenty mile per hour high speed chase with police,
which ends with him crashing his motorcycle, and he claims
that he never once heard the police behind him for
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the entirety of the thirty mile pursuit. I believe that.
Do you think he just didn't hear them? Yeah, unless
they sped up alongside motorcycles allowed, Okay, I don't know.
You're not buying out with I unders I understand why
we have to go on this journey through Wesley's life
to decide whether or not he was duplicited. So it's
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admissible in terms of just assessing character. Continue and I
think you're making a solid point. I think some of
the arguments were from his lawyers that Wesley didn't hear them,
and the motorcycle crash that they claimed that happened was
actually a bump from the police intentionally knocking him off
of his motorcycle. They tried to kill the mother. You
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know what I'm saying. Maneuver, Yeah, exact pursuit intervention exactly.
So you're not a here, you know what I mean?
These police officers are not heroes in this situation, nor
are they ever heroes in any situation. But I think
in particular, the way that you can phrase this, it
makes it seem as if old Wesley just wouldn't obey
the law. Meanwhile, these motherfuckers are trying to knock a
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man off a motorcycle at a hundred and twenty miles
per hour. And that's so, what did he do? Probably
a couple of fines. They actually decided to just give
him a single fine for like basically reckless driving, and
then they let him go about his day because it's
early in his career. But it's hot, Wesley Snipes, If
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that makes sense. Okay, this is where we get into
the fund stuff we talked about Blade Trinity earlier. Wesley
Snipes during Blade Trinity sued New Line Cinemas for five
million dollars after he shot because Number one, he claimed
that they broke contract in terms of his decision making
on the editing of the film Number two because they
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apparently did something that fucked with his money because they
were technically being paid through like Canada and a Swiss
bank or some relationship, and so he's trying to basically
not have to pay taxes on money that he's receiving
from this film, and said that new Line set it
up that way and then fucked him on that. And
then lastly, he claims that the director and the writers
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of the film are racist based on an incident on set. Okay,
now that's not criminalistic, but I get it. It's definitely misbehaving.
It's he said, they said. I know him and Ryan
Reynolds didn't get along for the most part on set,
so I'm glad you brought up people not liking him
on set. I actually pulled a quote from Patton Oswald,
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who was a writer on Blade Trinity. I don't know
if you knew that, but he also played a go
in He he wrote Blade Trinity. Uh, and he said
on set, and I'm gonna quote him here, Wesley Snipes
was just fucking crazy in a hilarious way. He wouldn't
come out of this trailer and he would smoke weed
all day. Then. I remember one day on set they
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let everyone pick their own clothes and there was this
black actor who was also kind of a club kid,
and he wore this shirt with a word garbage on
it in big stylish letters. It was his shirt, and
Wesley came down to the set, which he only did
for close ups. Everything else was done by his standing.
I only did one scene with him, but he comes
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on set and goes, there's only one other black guy
in this movie, and you make him wear a shirt
that says garbage. You race this motherfucker? Yo. If that's
coming from Pad and I got to believe it. Pat
Oswald is one of the most open and as open.
I don't know if you've seen Pat Oswald's last two
specials have, but it's open as he's been about his
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own life. Right, How would he make up this mean
thing about Wesley's knips given everything that he's explored in
his own personal experiences? Okay? So is that all of them? Oh? No,
there's way more. So Okay, maybe I get to the Texas. Okay,
so there's more, even from Blade Trinity. At one point,
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Wesley pulled the director David Goyer aside and basically asked
him to quit the production, saying that he was detrimental
to the project. The director then rebuts that Wesley should
be the one who quits the production since they already
got all of his close ups and they don't need
him anymore. They could just use the stunt double. It's
speculated it's alleged that Wesley gets uncomfortable and then stop
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speaking to the director completely for the rest of the
shoot and will only communicate with him through post it notes,
which he signs from Blade I hope to one day
as send to this level of things. Oh that's amazing. Yeah,
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you know, he wasn't doing that with Spike. Yeah, he
was younger, and but that's what I'm saying. He had
to earn that psychosis. You had to earn that point
where you're like, you're not gonna while out on the
set of Jungle Feet. Now you gotta get there. You
gotta make that. It was probably that was also to
be fair, also, Spike Lee SAIDs are probably far more
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inclusive than a major, big budget action sequel. You know, right, Okay,
keep going. So there's even some suggestions that I read
that because he's so angry with this director and angry
with the production, that Wesley snipes for major portions of
the film. Even during his close ups, will only shoot
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with his eyes closed. That like, they basically had to
keep his sunglasses on for more scenes than they should
have because he just won't open his eyes while he's acting. Now, okay,
so when we start with allegations of physical assault, and
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we've worked our way all the way down to well,
I heard that he didn't like the food that they all, Right,
at what point do we draw the line? All Right,
we got enough to make a diagnosis. Sure, I think
that we've had enough for a while. But I'll hit
you with a few more and then we'll make a
final decision. You know, from two thousand and one, Wesley
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basically didn't pay taxes and then he basically owe seven
million for tax evasion to the I r. S. He
goes to jail for it. Right now. He also went
to Africa during that time and hit, well, we'll stalling
on coming home to either I'm not sure if it
was to report to prison or if it was to
actually face trial for those actually try he just sort
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of tries to do a Roman Polanski type thing and
I'm just gonna chill somewhere else. But he was making films.
He was legit like Hey, I'm over making a film. No,
we still it's been a year. Yeah, damn, this is
the longest film I ever shot. I don't know what's
wrong with it. It was that type of I got you.
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So when he gets out of jail and this actually
speaks I think in the opposite direction. He gets out
of jail, he goes in for seven million dollars. He
gets out and the I R S is like, a bro,
you owe us eighteen million, and Wesley sues the I
R S. He's like, no, are you insane. I'm not
paying you eighteen million for Where is that money going
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to come from? He says, I'll give you eight hundred
and fifty thousand. That's my compromise to whatever you're asking for,
and the I R S eventually negotiates it to nine
point five millions, which Wesley apparently still owes. I don't
know how it works me neither. They just take a pinch.
As long as you're making money, they take a pen, right,
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And that's what his claim was, was like y'all just
making up numbers. Now you're like looking at my career
and being like, I bet this is what we can
get from well as a person who has been audited
by the I R S three times. There is some
validity to Mr Snipes's allegations in our government does just
go you jillion bill. And I'm like, what I did
(36:54):
a college for nine hundred dollars early on, like when
I first started in colleges and stuff, and this is
like oh, five oh six. The college paid me nine
hundred dollars, but on the ten nine nine, they didn't
put a decimal point, so it looked like I got
paid ninety thousand dollars. And so when you don't claim
(37:15):
ninety thousand dollars, they call you into the office conversation.
And I got all my paperwork. I'm not like Wesley.
I ain't gonna hide in Africa. Like let's let's discuss this.
And I'm like, as you can see, all these other
colleges all paid me, you know, a hundred dollars on
either side or that's my I either make seven fifty
(37:39):
or I make nine d n like that's what I
make for a college. And I was like, let's do
it for audit. And so once you get audited, you
essentially get reaudited every two years for like two or
three more audits. Your your name just keeps coming up
oddly because they keep flagging your account to make sure
(37:59):
that you're not trying to claim ninety thousand dollars, right,
so they just will pull you will literally just get
a letter in the marriage just go yeah, what's up
on that three day? Just like we're still looking at you, dog. Yeah,
And that's fine. I respect, I'm on your radar. Cool,
but don't just tell me what I Oh, let's have
(38:20):
a conversation. I will bring you my paced ubs and
my gas receipts. Man, I had everything. You're thrown away
young comedians and they say, oh, after seven years, no,
keep it. I got my tax returns from O two
just in case, bitch, I'm ready come for me. I'm ready.
So Wesley, as an attempt to make up for the
(38:41):
money that he in theory owes to the I R S,
desides that the best way to do it is through fighting.
And I don't know if you know this. He challenged
Joe Rogan to like a public fight for money, and
Joe Rogan agreed to it. They were gonna square. It
was Wesley's knipes and Joe Rogan, we're supposed to swear
off four months yeah, Christmas and Christmas Day and you
(39:08):
get to watch Joe Rogan and Wesley's nice beat the
ship out of each other. But then apparently all sorts
of shenanigans took place that kept the fight from ever
transpired commissions and all of that, exactly, and so finally
that would have been a good fight in his current
career as a sort of man now, you know, making
(39:28):
the rounds, doing cool movies and popping into things, but
not necessarily being the big action star we once knew people, Yeah, exactly.
But people have been asking Wesley what do you want
to do with your career now? How are you feeling
about your career? And his response now is he's more
focused on dance. He's not at all interested in acting.
(39:49):
He says he feels more fulfilled in the world of
dance and martial arts, and in particular, he also has
been working on a book, uh series, a trilogy of
books called Only of God that the first book already exists,
and he has a number of books that he also
is like, I guess working on and trying to make Okay,
(40:09):
I mean, he's not the right to pivot. He's an OJ.
So let's go back to the original crime of which
we're alleging him, which is shadily telling another actor the
wrong place for an audition. Do you, in fact think
that Wesley Snipes, given everything that we've now learned about him,
(40:32):
has the potential to do something that nefarious? I just
do not think that he would do that to another
brother coming off of if passage of fifty seven at
the time, this is his first real crossover into mainstream land.
(40:53):
I just don't know. Man. You didn't come from too
many black projects at that point, so you know what
other black actors are going through. You understand the struggle
of getting to that point made the best man win.
I'm sure you have to audition against a bunch of
other vets to get New Jack City and to get
Jungle Feed and to get Sugar Like I am more
(41:14):
inclined to believe the halle Berry allegations than I am
the Billy Blake's. Now, if you did one that you've
done the other. Possibly, possibly, But I am more inclined
to believe that. And it sounds crazy to say, you
know that, I am more inclined to believe what Hallie
(41:36):
said because Hallie also, much like Ryan Reynolds and pad Now, Well,
she ain't got a reason a lie. I don't think
the record, but I know that's what that's what the
streets say about this, So I'm more inclined to believe that.
But when you look at everything else Wesley did, it
was anti establishment the government. So I'm gonna speed for
the government, so I ain't gonna pay my taxes. I'm
tired of these white people on set, so I'm gonna
(41:57):
active donkey around these white You can't show me anything
else in his track record that was just straight up
platently anti black like that. I think that that's a
that's a clear good take on this. I think that Wesley,
for the most part has supported black people, even during
his most wild and sort of like crazy decisions. He's
(42:22):
never been anti black. If his behavior on Blade Trinity,
if that happened, that was in support of the black
man that was wearing the garbage. He's a man. He's
not the only other black person on this set. He
was wearing a shirt that said garbage and he said
not on the Wesley production. Yeah, that's a tough one.
That's a tough one, you know. I think that the
(42:44):
Halleberry allegation puts me on the bubble. But when you
add gender to an argument about race, does that make
it a different reason for that transgression? And you also
look into how some men want to feel powerful over
women and how a man relates to a woman. To me,
makes that different from Wesley versus Billy Blank's right, even
(43:09):
if the Halley stuff is true, I don't feel like
a man that man who could put his hands on
a woman would also be the same man that would
take something away from a black man, as backwards as
that sounds, just in looking at his if you just
look at all his transgressions, how many were anti black men?
(43:31):
And I think to your point, there's an entire way
of thinking for certain men that, like you, support black
men at all times, and we sometimes forget that black
women fall into the exact same sort of need and
importance for support, and so it's egregious, it's as whole behavior.
(43:51):
But that's what I'm saying. Maybe he's one of them
type two. I ain't studying these women, but my brother,
the mazing, like you could be pro black man and
anti black woman. There's a lot of his Sadly, is
a lot of people that fall into that bucket. I
just I don't know, man, I just don't know if
(44:12):
Wesley did this, man, Wesley, I don't know if Wesley
did this to Billy Blank. You heard it here first, everyone,
Wesley Snipes did not sabotage Billy Blanks. Billy got what
he deserved by your Tybo DVDs. Because the man is
living out the life that was meant for him. Google
how much money Billy Blanks made off Tybo and see
(44:35):
if you still feel sorry he did good. Billy is fine.
I don't know if it was three digit millions, but
he definitely in the two digits. I think I saw that.
Billy is worth like thirty million dollars or something like that.
I'll take it. The average American only sees three million
before they die. Yeah, Billy's doing okay, Hell yeah. All right,
(44:55):
We're gonna take a break and we'll be back with
more Wood Jr. And more. My mom and told me
we are that anyway, We're back here with more of
(45:23):
My mama told me more Roy Wood Jr. We're still
we're defending Wesley Snipes at this point, maybe not his
character as a whole, but we're certainly defending him against
the possibility that he actually tricked his counterpart, Billy Blanks,
out of an audition opportunity that would have changed both
of their lives. I just think that even if Wesley
(45:44):
did it, there are other people who feel Billy Blanks
as well. Exactly Wesley is not the greatest criminal in
this story. I don't I don't think it's true. Man.
I know this girl's aunt told me this, but you
know she might have been dealing. This is the nineties.
They wasn't checking for pt back then. This girl aunt
came straight from the Persian Gulf War, God blessing, thank
(46:05):
you for your service, then just started spewing random rumors.
Are that wasn't her only Wesley Snipes rumor. I'm sure
she had plenty of others. Because she didn't like the motherfucker.
She was gonna say whatever she needed to about Wesley's nights.
That's not fair. That's not fair. It's not fair. But
you know what is fair is Wesley Snipes is in
(46:27):
fact writing a book. He's written a book, and he
has two more on the way. They are entitled Talent
of God and what I Thought We should Do as
a fun little game, A fun way to end this
thing off is. I'm going to read us some excerpts
from Talent of God, and I just want you to
give me your general thoughts. How are you feeling about
(46:47):
Wesley Snipes as an author? Where are you thinking this
story is gonna go? Doesn't have the potential to be
as important in his career as let's say, Blade Too
Hell yet, So I'm gonna at a little bit of
a midpoint in the preface because some of this is
a little long and unnecessary. But he says, uh, spare
(47:08):
some change for a veteran. Rattle rattle, spare some change
for his voice faded. Someone had stopped a young black
man in a heavy black coat with the shiniest shoes
Lenny had ever seen. That was a good sign, so
Lenny rattled this cup again, giving the smart looking stranger
a snaggle to smile. Spare some change for a veteran, sir,
(47:30):
I can do better than that, the man said, reaching
into his pocket to draw the crisp folded bill. He
so rarely got paid paper money, but when he did,
it was usually good. A five, maybe even ten, enough
for a hot dinner and maybe coffee tomorrow too. But
his fingers closed around the money. The man with the
shiny shoes didn't let go. How are you feeling so far?
(47:52):
Hard engage? It's moving, it's you know, I need to
know more about what's happening. Paints a good picture. Sure,
that's all you need for a book. You know the
difference between a book and a TV script. It's just
you just gotta use more adjectives. And the shiny shoes
clink underneath the path inside the shoe, weary souls of
(48:16):
feet that have walked a million miles with ten million
more miles to go. He's just throwing a metaphor that
lengthens the page a little bit. The corrosion of the
penny in the cup is a clink, flickles up into
the end, up his nostrils, nostrils that are not Smiths like.
(48:36):
That's to me, that's what books are, versus like a
film script. I'm not chipping on it. I just think
he did that. I just don't know the whole story.
I'll pull us up from audible whenever it's done. Okay,
I don't even know what genre this is? This this
young adult You think like sci fi? Jesus, is that
(48:57):
a possible genre Jesus, it's sci fi depending on who
you ask. So I'm sitting here just that seemed very
coherent and written by an educated person. Let's it'll be
sold in five years and the trilogy will do four
(49:18):
million dollars or something. Episode you believe in his work, Yeah,
I mean, people buy books and it's a good time
to be black. All they're doing is adopting black stories
and putting them on TV. So why not Wesley Snipes ship?
So so then I just hope the audiobook is good
because there's a lot of black authors out here reading
their own books, and I'm like, yo, you should have
hired someone. I don't read well out loud, So I
(49:40):
hope they don't ask me. But I think I think
Wesley will figure it out. I'm sure he can get
somebody to help him with this ship. What we need
from him as a damn autobiography because he's lived a life.
I love that. Let's I want to know everything about
him pre acting like his journey before you know he
drifted into Also, I would love if it had like
(50:02):
some of that Quincy Jones energy, you know what I mean,
Like if it's just like that raw, untold story, like
you're let's start snitching Wesley, you know what I mean,
like really start like exposing some of those deep truths
that nobody knew about for you in your world. As
Wesley snipes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with that. We'll see. Yeah.
(50:25):
So after Wesley Snipes listens to this episode and puts
a hit out on you, what's your plan? What country
are you gonna move to? Ghana? Seems cool. My mom's
moving there and I think got some cool stuff going on.
I could be I could be Ghanaian. I'll move to Ghana.
That seems like. Although Wesley was shooting over there, so
(50:47):
maybe he already has connections. He's got people he could
get me taken care of in Ghana. I gotta move somewhere.
Wesley hasn't worked. He was an international man for a
long time. He's been everywhere. Bro, his passport got all
the stay. Yeah. I really fucked up. Shouldn't well? I
should have never invited you. This is all a trapped
(51:07):
by you to get me to say mean things about
Wesley Snipes. Don't point to figuring me. I didn't said
nothing bad about him. I just stated the fact of
what her angry told me one time. When I bought
her niece of shitty Christmas, and that's how we ended up.
I gotta blame that on. I gotta trace this back
to the conception of my eventual downfall from Wesley Snipes. Okay,
(51:33):
for some reason, this made the man smile. And what
if I were to offer you something better, he asked,
reaching his gloved hand inside the heavy winter coat to
pull out a small glass bottle filled with a liquid
so bright green it almost seemed to glow in the
dim light. Something new. Lenny recoiled at once, swearing to himself,
(51:55):
just his luck, the one bit he got tonight, and
it was a pusher, unlike a lot out of the
people he met on the street. Though Lenny didn't truck
with drugs, he'd had enough chemicals sprayed on him and
nam to last five lifetimes. Na, man, he said, scooting
backwards further into the shelter of the bridge. I don't
touch this stuff. It's free, the man said, tossing the
(52:16):
green vial casually in his hand. Try it the first,
It was always free, nah, Lenny said, again, backing away.
I'm clean, man, I don't do that. But as Lenny
pushed himself off the pavement to walk away, the man
in black grabbed his arm. I think there's been a
misunderstanding that the stranger said softly. This wasn't a request, Yes,
(52:39):
John for the karate. It's about that's what That's okay. Yeah, yeah,
I checked this book out of dom Vet, Homeless, getting
Jesus quizzes on the street, and he just break out
into karate fire over a green vial of ooze. That's
not bad. See, I knew where he was going. I
knew he was going. You gotta give Wesley Stacks. What's
(53:01):
the Stacker deserves at least to finish one of these
books and produced that up. Stop playing and let Wesley
actually make the books that he needs to make, because
y'all ain't letting the world build. Yeah, man, let him
content create, man. I'm with it. I love it. Well.
There's a whole bunch of other stuff about Lenny's eyes
bugging open and this man fist fighting him in the streets,
(53:24):
but I think you get the idea. Wesley loves Jesus
and love sci fi and loves karate and he wrote
some books about it, so you guys can go check
it out. It's called Talent of God. I don't know
what the talent is, but you know, okay, yeah, well
well yeah, I'll find that on audible. I'll listen to
the it's gonna be read by the All State guy
(53:46):
and uh, Lenny asked him politely. He said, do not
touch me, motherfucker. Get up off me. Dog. Well, this
was a great time, Roy. Thank you. Tell everybody where
they can find you where what course name is roywood Jr.
(54:09):
Just put it at sign in front of you to
put a dot com behind it. Hell, you ask me
everywhere at that dot dot com. Follow the man. He's hilarious.
He's one of my favorite comedians working. And it's always uh,
you can follow me at Langston Kerman. Just add that
at and put the dot com I'm gonna copy off
of Roy just said, it's easy. It's at the front
(54:30):
dot com. And then you go, uh and you know,
like and subscribe and do all the things you do
the podcast. Thank you, Bye bye, chips in your quality racists.
(54:54):
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