March 11, 2025 • 43 mins
Were highways/freeways designed to purposefully destroy Black neighborhoods? Langston and David are joined by comedian Rachel Pegram (Silly, Loud, and Delightful Album) about this tactful urban planning conspiracy theory. They discuss the mapping across America that displaced many Black and Brown communities. They also discuss Joe Biden, Pokémon, and the honorary Secret Service kid. Be sure to listen to this episode if you have a Tidal subscription, David will add it to his playlist!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
And they love being owners.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh yeah, tell me Jerry Jones doesn't remind you of
a slave.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Owner for sure. And he's just collected, not even doing
anything with the boys. The cowboys ain't done nothing in years,
like just just.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Gathering them like pokemon, just want to do.
Speaker 5 (00:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I never thought about it like that.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
I gotta catch them all.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, but he does it. He's just like I want
a hundred rotatized.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I don't want you going to the bushes to find them.
They're gonna say. I know, he just wants some bullshit.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
The point.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I like the way it sounded.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
Racists, the money stuff I can't tell me.
Speaker 7 (01:12):
From the Aid to Toronto, we let the metal go off,
and my dicks so hard it make the.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Metal detector go off. There it is.
Speaker 8 (01:21):
There is, Ladies and gentlemen, gentiles and little mamas alike.
Welcome to another phenomenal episode of Ma Mama Told.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Me Podcast, where we dive deep into the pockets of
black conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Theory and we finally work to prove whatever the fuck
you want us to prove.
Speaker 8 (01:37):
You call in, you tell us what you want us
to believe, and we'll do our best.
Speaker 9 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:42):
Well, I mean we try really hard to make all
your nonsense work.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No, we don't. We we give time. I think that
we devote time to this.
Speaker 8 (01:52):
That is our love language is uh. We give our time.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And you know what, Yeah, maybe it's not thoughtful.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Maybe we're gonna forget some birthday. Maybe we didn't pick
up everything you wanted us to a safeway. I'm sorry,
I forgot you were out of pistachios. Was all together?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Wasn't going to write it down? Baby, right? I got
my half of the rent. That's important.
Speaker 8 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, but we're here. We dedicate our time to you.
You know what I've been thinking about, and this is
a very recent thought. You know that little the little
fella who has cancer, the little guy who has cancer,
that that Trump made the well wait, you know that
he made the the honorary secret Service member.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You think he's secretly older than he is?
Speaker 8 (02:43):
Nah, I think those kids were right to bully him.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Okay, okay, let's open it up. Let's open it up.
Here's one good second and think about what I'm saying.
How old is he? He starts? I think that Rachel,
feel free to jump in you. I know you have
a lot of thoughts on this. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think that dressing up like a cop yep at thirteen,
Come on is not great. Come on, I don't know.
And this is I'm dancing carefully. I don't know what
his capabilities are underneath the police hat. You know what
(03:31):
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Come on, you guys, can't leave me alone. You please
can't leave. I don't know. I like crime. No, I agree.
I wonder where he's at. Listen, he is listen is eight.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
He's got a lot going on already. Yeah, he has
a lot going on. He does for a thirteen year old.
It is a lot of fucking work to not address
things that are happening that feel different, that is of
every race, of every culture. You are a child surrounded
by other children who want to be like, what the.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Fuck is happening with you? And then you put a
toy cop.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Outfit on top of it. But it was another thirteen
year olds making fun. It looked like adults, why are
you there?
Speaker 8 (04:34):
You apparently have a whole family that cares about you,
and this nigga is in the parking lot with a
blue toy gun.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, niggas are roasting him. You Maybe he lives in apartments.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
And we can't make a lot of assumptions.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Yea, all I'm saying is, now you chime in, he
might not have a loving family. All the whole illusion
that they're trying to present to us is that this
was a nice young man who is just being abused
by his community. And that don't feel like what this
(05:12):
is to me, because I don't feel like they were
roasting him because of how he looked every single day.
They're roasting him because he came to a fucking parking
lot at midnight and was going to bed.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Go to bed.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
You created.
Speaker 8 (05:29):
I think he's doing vigilante justice in whatever bullshit neighborhood
he's from. You know, he might be a kid, and
I don't even know he's broke like that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I got a good feeling.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Well, I don't think he can stand up for me
now your money, I don't think.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Yeah, this isn't a boy with resources. That's why they
picked him in the first place. I'm saying that this
all feels like a manipulation of a story, and that
if you start that camera ten minutes before, you will
see a very annoying kid, A bunch of kids that
were minding their fucking business. And then and then they
(06:08):
went in, so yeah, they were right, take your weird
ass home in a fucking fucking police uniform.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I wanted you to say he thought he was older
than you, because that was fun. They've seen the video
where he talk about being sexy, and you're like.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
I've seen a few little man conspiracies.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, I've seen on YouTube they said that his dad
is amazing.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
It definitely feels very cherry picked in a way that
that videos at all. No, just the whole story feels
super cherry picked. All those stories were this. I mean,
I don't want to get back into it, but it's
like there's all smoking mirrors over there.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That guy is a liar.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Think objectively either way.
Speaker 8 (06:59):
That's sort of the point is that we're dealing with
a liar, and if if that means that he gets
bullied in his neighborhood, so be it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, all right, it is that is tough to go on.
I understand it's difficult. I don't I think I want
to say I think I think he was probably being
a little dick because what what kid that age who
is up to speed?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
What kid that age dresses like a cop who doesn't suck?
That's all I'm yeah, of course, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
He's yeah, he sucks.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
And so if you got a bully, I'm a little
bit what I'm know what I'm saying. If he got
a bully just because he sucks, it's not like they
beat him up. No, they didn't put hand out that.
They just yeah, they didn't do a crime. They just
they just told he.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Look like ship.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, and he didn't even look like ship.
Speaker 8 (08:04):
It's not like he was like swagged. It wasn't even
a good cop. And he doesn't fit it good it's
none of it. Yeah, and yeah he decides if kids
are sexy, cops are not.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Of course, Yeah, don't. He just came and tried to
say it's okay to bully is woking.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Well, you're saying he's slow.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I don't think he's slow. I think he's sick. You
think he's fast.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yeah, he's a genius. He's in college.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The man's a secret service.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Would a slow kid be a secret service agent? I
think so under this administration, god would be I don't know.
How fast cash for Tell is whoa.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
Our guests today. We haven't introed her yet. We've burned
most bridges with a lot of communities. But I'm excited
she not watch this show.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yes, well yeah we could.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
They could, though we're cutting off we're cutting off our
muscle milk potential.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I want that.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You want that money, I want that money that's you.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Then they have access to you. You got to like, yeah,
they're gonna know your kids that these guys like you, they're.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Gonna need to see me drinking the milk.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
They can't.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
I can't just say I drink it.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
They're gonna be and they're gonna know. They're gonna smell
it on you or not smell it on you.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That's really Yeah, you don't smell like a sick cow.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Didn't drink our milk. Man, didn't drink our.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I guess today. She's so funny.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
You know her, You know her from from writing on
amazing shows, Harley Quinn, Blockbuster killing It uh keenan we
we crossed over it at the legendary program from NBC.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
People still want to work.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, masterpiece, beautiful, beautiful time television.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
I would say I've said that Yeah, she's so funny
and she has a brand new album she just it
just came out called Silly, Loud, Delightful.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Give it up for Rachel Pegram everybody.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Now, remember that's louder for them, and believe it.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah, it's quiet in here, but I'm trusting y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's loud elsewhere and here it's embarrassing. M H. I
have to humble myself every time I look it up.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
Rachel, you came to us today with the conspiracy theory that.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That I'm excited about.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
I don't know how you felt about this one. I
I think I knew this in my heart and had
heard whispers of it, but never really put any real
thought to it until this got presented. And so I'm
excited to talk about it. But you said, my mama
told me free ways and highways we're designed to ruin
(11:00):
black neighborhoods.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yes, correct, tell us everything, okay, Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
So I also did like some additional like looking up afterwards,
because I was like, I know it in my mind,
but like also I was like, let me like see
it's it's across every major city and also in smaller communities.
The it was the Highway Act of nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Second, I'm a little worried. Now she's snapping. I won't nobody,
And I'm so excited. Nobody ever shows up with a
year ever. This is this is good.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I got excited when it was chosen.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I was like, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
It's yeah, nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It was brought forward and it was like, oh, we're
gonna like connect the cities and the highways or whatever,
and like yeah, we'll just like have them go through.
And there were actually so many options where they could
have not gone through black neighborhoods specifically, and they chose
to anyway. There's literally one in Nashville where they kind
of they curved to a black neighborhood, didn't need to
(12:16):
curve in, and like like they could have gone around
like multiple where it was like there was a railroad,
empty railroad, no one lived there. They were like no
through the black neighborhood. It's constant, it's everywhere. I think
it also actually coincides with the building of stadiums that specifically.
I think every time a stadium is built, it decimates
(12:37):
a black community. So yeah, that is that is you know,
my dad was kind of pointed it out to me,
and then I started noticing it.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
It's truly all.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Over how old my dad.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
My dad is eighty three, Yeah, even.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Before the highways, he remembers at all.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
You don't even call himself black. No, that's a colored man.
That's a proud colored man. Yeah, my dad, he's he's
But my dad's like he's all about a conspiracy. Like
he loves like the they're just like the ideas of
around like the NFL, and like he's like, that's the
(13:24):
slave trade.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I was just going in about it at the basketball
game Wednesday night.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I hate how the NFL is set up.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
The combine is a fascinating thing because it truly doesn't
really exist in any other athletic endeavor.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Then all of a sudden door stock is falling.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
Yeah, and also just the idea of like, let's line
these boys up and make them prove that they are
what we've seen them to be the whole time. It's
not like they're just random boys. Yeah, like if this
was you, truly, I just walked in and was like, hey, man,
I want to play profession no football, Yeah, make me
run forty forty yards to make sure I can do
(14:04):
that ship?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But why the fuck are you making? You know what,
I mean, the best you go? Who cares? If you
can how many times you can rep two twenty five?
That's crazy, It's crazy. I hate it?
Speaker 8 (14:15):
All right, Well you believe that this this is the case, Yes,
you know it because of this act that sort of
takes place. You see it on the map. Are you
spreading the news? Are you like what what? What effort
are you making to solve this problem? If any?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I'm curious starting to ask people. I just I just
want to know is it doesn't doesn't matter enough?
Speaker 8 (14:42):
I guess the question. Maybe that's a better way of
framing it. Oh, asking you to be an activist.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
And like get out there.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, well no, actually it is in Syracuse. One of
the highways I think it's I eighty one that like
also split a black neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
The highway is now falling apart.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Wow, And so they're actually having to reconcile with do
we fix the highway or do we maybe tear it
down and rebuild or like give back to the But
they're kind of like up against the whole thing of
like what does that mean? What does it mean to
like give back to a community that maybe isn't there anymore.
Who is gonna like take the land if you'd get
rid of the highway, who's going to be able to
afford it?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Does it actually get back to the community.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
So I do think, like because there was also some
like thing that Biden did where he was like trying
to give money back to like restructuring the highway.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
So and since we're hitting some of the research already,
part of what Biden did was in during that Remember
he had that giant infrastructure bill that he was working on,
two trillion dollar infrastructure bill, twenty billion dollars of that
was dedicated towards exactly what you're describing h of like
(15:58):
making amends for what they fully acknowledged they did, of
rebuilding highways intentionally, not rebuilding, but building highways intentionally through
black neighborhoods, brown neighborhoods as well.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, So my question is it primarily black and brown
or was it also is this like class issue or
was it truly.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Just like straight up race or.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
White people were avoided even like in their homes, like
they were always.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Highways the looming through the house.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
The No, this was one percent them being like we are.
And part of the reason that it was happening is
because of the Civil rights movement, specifically changes around integration.
So they were watching them lose, the nation lose on
(16:58):
policy basically saying, now you have to integrate your community, right,
and then they went, no, we don't.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Not if we always section it often yeah, right.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, there were communities that were integrated that they didn't like,
and then they would be like, Okay, we're putting the
highway through these integrated communities.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yep, damn kind of solved it early. Huh No, I
mean there's there's so much.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
There's a lot here. It's not just it doesn't just
limit itself there.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I'll break no as you No.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
My question is what's the timeline, because it's like when
is what I'm asking.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
This was in response to things that were happening in
the sixties and seventies, but like, so we're talking seventies.
I guess sixties and seventies is when the highways start
to really hit that build.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And my other question is outside of because it's obviously
not all black neighborhoods. Outside like, let's say the black
neighborhoods here, they've bent it this way what happens to
these other communities, Like does it lower?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Does it lower the status of all the communities that
the highways goes through? And they just primarily did it
through black neighborhood and then they did it through other
places as well. They just didn't give a fuck about
Like how deliberate is the mapping of it?
Speaker 8 (18:22):
I mean, I think, to Rachel's point, as deliberate as
they could make.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
It, Like, it's crazy how intentional it is when you
look at the maps of like there are areas where
they could have gone, and they chose truly to say,
ride through your house, rye, through your home. They said,
there's actually a park, there's an empty lane, there's no
one there, there's trash heaps. No, no, no, no, no, we'd
like to keep that.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Look, that's where a team smokes cigarettes. Ride through that, but.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
They can't go outside smoke a cigarette with their girlfriends.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
Yeah, no, it's surely it could not have been more intentional.
It could not have been more malicious, which is why
Joe Biden in twenty twenty whatever the fuck is being like, yo,
we gotta fix this.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, where's that stand now?
Speaker 9 (19:13):
Right?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Well, Joe Biden, he's still working on this Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
I think it's running in a few years. Yeah, And
I think he felt like it got taken away from
him a little early, so he's gonna give it one
more shot. But but currently no, I don't know that
that bill's gonna.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
They're actually building more highway, taking through more neighborhoods now.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, and now they're naming the highway.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
We're racist too, all among people up North Michigan.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Everybody gets a highway. Fuck. Maybe we should take a break.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
We'll take a break, and when we come back, we'll
talk a little more of the research because and I
also have I have some new questions that that I
think some of this research sparked for me.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That would love to present to both of you. That
sound good. All right, We're gonna take a break. We'll
be back when more. Rachel pegram More. My mama told me.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
Do you have your passport? Did you get your shots?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Girl?
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Would you like to come back with drop to a panic.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
I hate it that he says, do you have your shots?
It's like the way that the way that feels to
saying that to somebody.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Yeah, so a crowd of eating open, Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Also had to get a gang of shots to go
to Africa.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah no, it's it's not it's not sure all the
series of shots.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
He's worried about them. Yeah no, do you have your shots?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah, Rachel. One of the things that this conversation made
me think of as I was sort of researching it
is this clip that came up fairly recently. There's this
this clip of Trevor Noah's podcast that when somewhat viral,
(21:31):
of him asking a question, a very leading question he
very clearly had a stance in the conversation, but a
leading question about whether or not integration was actually best,
that if it was in fact the right thing for
black people to integrate into white society. He's talking to
(21:54):
this Princeton African American studies professor, he's having like, you know,
an interview with her, and he sort of presents the
argument essentially saying that like uh, and he keeps making it.
He keeps making this reference to Finland and how like Finland.
In Finland, they are all homogeneous and they're all like
(22:15):
minded because of that, you know, homogeneous sort of like
network that they've built that everybody thinks the same and
has the same goals in mind, and that is only
possible through hegemony rather than like this weird mixing that
we've done. And I have complicated feelings on it.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, it is founded on that. It's always been that
you what are you gonna integrate this? What are you
talking about?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
That's sort of the challenge that I found myself up against.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
That's I think that's stupid.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I have heard dreadheads talk about that shit though, Yeah,
I have heard, like black people specifically, not so much
the integration. Gration was a bad idea, but the idea
that like when Italians came here and made their own neighborhoods,
they had their chances to make their own doctors and
policemen and whatever, and it built up that way and
we never really got to have that stable footing because
(23:06):
we were integrated.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I almost disagree that that didn't happen. I think it
did happen. I think that there were deliberate ways even
prior to integration, that it was that those communities were
broken apart, right like that, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
What I mean? No, but like like.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, you don't get to that full pinnacle. But also
like when white people are immigrating like Italians Polish people whatever.
It's like eventually you're just white. You just lose all
of your ethnicity. You get to like, yeah, the reason
I learned that Andy Warhol was Polish, I didn't know that,
and he like.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Just like was like I'm white.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
I was just like, oh, but he's not just a
white guy.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
He was a Polish guy. But then you can just
like mask it. So I think it's completely Yeah, it's
like completely different.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Than like Inland. You can't make a one to one comparison.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That's why it's a stupid I feel like it's a flawed.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
He also like goes on this weird like not tangent,
but he makes this weird caveat in the beginning of
it of like being like removing sort of like the
the malice of the separation that like if you're not
taking away our resources. But it's like, yeah, but the
reason people wanted to integrate was because they weren't being
(24:18):
provided resources. Yeah, it's not like we were desperate to
be amongst the white people.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I say, we.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
I'm the product of the integration frankly, but yet thanks man,
But no, it's it means a lot, but but it's
it's not that black people were desperate to be with
white people. It's that like y'all would not provide basic
(24:46):
resources for black people pre integration, and you weren't suddenly
gonna do it if we just like have a handshake
deal and say we'll never live next to your daughter.
That's it's it's it feels like a false start.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
It's yeah, it's really it's like a smart dumb guy thing,
you know.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, it feels like, yeah, well actually integration, Yeah, you
shouldn't have been integrated and it's.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Okay, yeah that rocks. Where will we be now?
Speaker 9 (25:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, no there's did he like
there's golden Englewood?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, you're right, No, we should have just dug for
the gold ourselves. Did he come around the corner? Or
it was just ultimately the point because I know.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
I mean, the professor very much agreed with him, and
so it became, in my opinion, to people being wrong,
being like you're right to each other. And I don't
mean to you know. I'm sure she had a more
complicated answer than I took it to mean, but basically
her her argument was that we accepted integration as if
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it was our only option when in fact there were
alternatives to segregation or integration. Now where I take issue
is she never really explains what those are alternatives.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Are, right, Yeah, I don't think when people now like
to have a strong opinion about what the past and
what they would have done, it's like, well, they could
have done something, and I'm like, but you weren't there.
You don't know the options that people were faced and
like what they were like choosing, and like what you
had to deal with on a day to day basis,
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and integration looked like it would help you and your
family right there, right then, that's a very different option
than you.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
All the way on the other side of the life.
Actually it could have been a little bit different and.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
A lot stronger than the roof it. Just I don't
like that at all.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
And I bet she is a very she's an African
American studies professor at Princeton. I imagine she's very learned
on the subject of like of the happenings of that era.
But I don't think that any amount of like reading
can actually make you experience or fully empathize with what
it feels like in that moment where you are being
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presented with Like if I found out my kid was
like at a school with poison water, and then the
other school didn't have poison water. I want them at
the school without the poison water. I don't give a
fuck if that means that like I have to then
introduce this more complicated problem in my life, and maybe
it is more complicated.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
I just don't want my baby poison. Yeah, yeah, that's
all they were feeling.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
No.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I think, like, as I was saying earlier, my dad
eighty three years.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Old, sochie was around for integration and like told me
about like the different schools that he went to, and
like when he went to a school that was all
black and then when he went to a school that
was integrated until he was with a lot of white kids,
and just like even the education difference and like the
kinds of teachers that he got. He did say, I
mean there is it's not a one to one, but
it's like when he was at an all black schools,
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like he got to have black teachers, he got to
be like taught by other people that look like him,
and like they were telling him, however, there's like maybe
certain subjects that weren't covered because if they didn't have
a teacher that was you know, knowledgeable there, you wouldn't
have it versus when he got to.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
A white school.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Okay, you maybe have like a math teacher who like
knows a little more.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It was one of the subjects that was one.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Let's not call that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
There.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Let me just say I think math was there.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
His words are so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Maure or something. You know, I just know that.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
It was like okay, yeah, yeah, added to build my daddy.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Dude, is he says, I have to check me so beautifully? Yeah?
Uh no.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
But you know, just it's just like different opportunities in
a different and like you know, even just like the
facilities and the kinds of like, yeah, funding that you get,
but it's not that that the black schools, if those
had been more funded, that they wouldn't have maybe wanted
to be there, but like that funding wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Right without the integration. That's why it's not a fair.
That's why it's such a crazy And it feels like
that argument feels like it's like trusting white.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
People a lot, and yeah, in a way where like
this they would they would have helped you take care
of it, like that's why would you watch Yeah, that's so,
that's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
They burned Tulsa to the ground.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
I'm saying they were, like, this ship makes us so mad.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
We don't even want a city no more. We can't
have this.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
We don't even we don't want this to exist. There's
no fucking way that we're just gonna let niggas ride
off of like some alternative to to whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
They don't even give them any kind of a leg up.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Has that been the history of any of this to
get help, let let alone an even playing field.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So I think that like.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
Argument this like it also presumes that things like the
highways being built the way that they are are just
a one off of things that they've done to us historically.
That I'm sure there are tens and tens and tens
of things that we take for granted that are just
slightly different than we realize. Like, for example, where I'm from,
(30:20):
I'm from a suburb called oak Park, and on the
oak Park side, or rather, our neighborhood is adjacent.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
To a place called Austin in Chicago.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Austin notoriously is one of the rougher neighborhoods in Chicago,
but we are right next to it. A big street
separates us, called Austin. On the Oak Park side of
our street, the lights are white. On the Chicago side
of the street, the lights are yellow.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Man, I hate walking down a yellow ass street at
night alone.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Like, same street, but this one's white. This one's yellow, y'all.
Don't think that's a little light yo. Just so y'all
know signature that you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we don't give a funk about what's over there. That's
why we made the street lights yellow so they'll drive
these niggas crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, it's a color of crime. It feels like close.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Your eyes and imagine a crime being committed on the street.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Yeah, I know what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I never thought I was gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
It's a little yeah, and you're next to a basketball court.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Now.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
It's it's those kinds of small things that I think
moved so far past just highways that I think this
kind of argument of like, well, we shouldn't have never
integrated in the first place from a South African makes
it feels nasty. It feels so silly because we're we're
so buried in Yeah, white supremacy frankly.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, it's like been like years and decades and decades
and decades of oppression, of being displaced, of being moved,
of being told you can't be here, of like establishing
yourself and then having to like have your community decimated,
and then you're presented with an opportunity where perhaps you
might get a little bit more for your community. True,
Like that's gonna look a lot different than like, oh well,
(32:23):
actually it's gonna come with these caveats. It's like, well,
I don't know that you're gonna see all of those
caveats when you're like coming from a place of like in.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
A system that's baked in to keep you down, any
leg up you take.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's it. It felt nasty
in a way that I didn't I didn't want to
be angry at it, because I do, in my heart
of hearts, believe that we we as a as people,
would have been better off if we were able to
kind of like build our own and sort of privatize
(32:56):
blackness for longer, incubate this shit for a little bit
in an effective way. But on the flip side, it
feels so shortsighted to what the actual like lived experience
was for all of the people that survived that shit.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, I mean it's just time and time again, like
if there's Tulsa. But then also where I'm from in Texas,
I'm from a little town called Detton, and yeah, yeah,
and so in Detton, my family was from a part
of town where there's like a predominantly black community that like,
once they got emancipated, they like moved in and it
was like right by unfortunately the Texas Women's University, and
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so this community was there and it was thriving. They
had a full downtown and sometimes the women from the
university would come and they would buy things from the shops.
And then everyone at the university got anxious paranoid about it.
The clan came to the town and said, we're burning
down the school, and you guys need like to warn them,
like you know, And they so they burned down the school.
(33:55):
They burned on half of the town, and then Texas
women University said, you have to move the town. You
need to move where all the black people are.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So we got to move the town.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I'm so cut to shop, yes, but they already burned
They didn't burn the university they burned the school in
the town. Yes, and so the Klan burned the school
for the black kids in the town, and then they
had to move the town overnight on logs, and they
moved it to another part of town, which is literally
where I'm from, which is southeast Dton, And so they
(34:28):
moved the whole town over there.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
And then now is a park where.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
They've sort of recreated some little monuments to say like, well,
this is what was here. But I guess that's what
I mean to say it with it is like this
happens all over the country where there's black people who've
established themselves. They got a lot of money, they were
doing well, they had commerce, they had capitalism, et cetera.
Oh it's bothering white people, or oh I don't like
the way you're thriving.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
You need to leave. So like, what is the what
is the alternative?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You keep coming out and then they're taking you down.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
It's like you have to I mean, I guess the
point is that you have to integrate into their society,
right ray, but you can't. They would rather you not
do for self as much as they would rather you
do whatever you have to do this similar or leave completely,
which put it on logs, which I'm sorry for what
happened in your town, hilarious visual.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Put the houses on logs and they're dragging them through
the town on horses.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I live in a house my she ain't even set
up to put on like if you told me I
gotta go on logs tonight tonight.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
The idea that there was one dude who heard the
news and had to put his house on logs by himself.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I think that there was a nigga that was ready.
Everybody said Ray was crazy logs.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Everybody said, now we gotta go southeast.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Who's ready?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Who's the engine in this little You don't have to
get ready.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
That's mister Ray Wheels.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Taking three lots.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
I this this is devastating to think about, that that
this is where our history starts. It reminds me a
little bit of Manhattan Beach. I think very recently, probably
in the past couple of years, there was a black
family that apparently was the sort of like original like
(36:46):
proprietors of this major section of Manhattan Beach, and they
are just now getting some version of like yeah, like
an attempt at getting money recoped for what essentially was
like burned and stolen from them type shit. It's all nasty. Yeah, yeah,
(37:07):
this it's it's vast, it's rich. It really the highway thing,
for me at least, reminds me of how little I
know about what was actually done to black people, and
in a beautiful way where you're like, sometimes you can
become a little like all right, motherfucker, I'll get it
with some of like the hardship of it all, and
(37:27):
it's a nice reminder that like, no, you don't get it. Yeah,
there's still so much more shit that you missed.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
No, I completely.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
That's like I feel like in looking at some of
the like looking at where the highways hit and where
they like cross, it was like, oh, it's the same
kind of thing, but like it's just these neighborhoods, these
places where people were thriving, were doing so well, Like
I I can't imagine having to like you built a
whole life and like you're you're doing like you in
(37:58):
the community, you got kids, you know, everything's going well
for you, and then they're like, no, just kidding, it's
all gone. How devastating that would have been and how
like painful like to rebuild after that?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, we're go, right, and everyone scattered and yeah, comes
like and now they just got a highway through Vallejo.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Damn. Yeah, I don't know why Vallejo is the city
I picked. Yeah, you picked to go.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
I don't know where that is.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
It's northern California. That's where forty is from. I didn't
know that. Oh yeah, also Mac Dre.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
I think I just treated Bay rappers like they're all
from Oakland.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Okay, Yeah that's fair.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Yeah, I wasn't gonna say San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, I just assumed job there are in San Francis.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Shout out to coog Nut, Bill Manner players Rapping Forte
all right.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Anyway, hell yeah, anyway, Yeah, I love Google Nut.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
You.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I think you would like it me. He's very funny.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Okay, happy, I'm down the track, google Nut.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think we're done. Okay, I think we did it.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
This is I think a gorgeous episode of one of
our better pieces.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Rachel, could you tell the people where they could find you?
What cool shit you have going on? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:13):
You can follow me on Instagram that I am Rachel
Pegram And my album came out and so you can
buy that.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Go buy the album. Go listen to it. I have
some on all the all the you know that one.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
It's even on title.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
The blackest music streaming option is it? I got titled.
I think I don't playlist on title. I don't know
any white people who exclusively have title.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
I have one wife friend who is exclusively on title.
She got in there and she said, I'm committed. Everything's
over there.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
For a week and a half.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
This is where I am home.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know what I like about title? When you go
to an artist, the like top songs will be different
than they are for other streamings streamers because it's like
more black people.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So like the DMX top ten is different than if
you go to a party up the way that yeah,
if you go to yeah yeah, yeah, okay, wait I
like you that is? Yeah it is.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
I think it's very generic. Yeah, you remember have to
you have to hunt. If you're trying to discover an artist,
you have to hunt to get to a B side
of their ship.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Really, it's not actively available. They're not like presenting that.
Speaker 8 (40:31):
No, they present like, Yo, here's all the ship. You
will absolutely have heard of them.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, then come on over the title, y'all the water
is warm. I could probably get y'all a playlist. I
got a playlist over there. It's called hard Isn't bullshit,
David bor That's what it is. It's official.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
You can talk about this one playlist.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah no, no, no, not that I made. That. I
made in conjunction with title. The title. This is my playlist.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
To present that.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
No, that was really I.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Was really getting my feelings and I was like, no, no.
I was like, man, they're really like, yeah, I understand.
Oh it was like my workout man.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yes, that's about what you were trying to get us
in on new music. Oh no, I'm good man, really
want that. Yeah. I didn't give a fun about Yeah no,
that's that. That sucked, But that's cool. That title was like, nah,
you gotta give a fuck about it. Yeah yeah, cool.
(41:32):
Well go listen to David's title.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Make listen to Hardy's and Bullshit on Times and where
what else can they do for you?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
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you could listen to the album and then you could
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh yeah, tell me Jerry Jones doesn't remind you of
a slave.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Owner for sure. And he's just collected, not even doing
anything with the boys. The cowboys ain't done nothing in years,
like just just.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Gathering them like pokemon, just want to do.
Speaker 5 (00:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I never thought about it like that.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
I gotta catch them all.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, but he does it. He's just like I want
a hundred rotatized.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I don't want you going to the bushes to find them.
They're gonna say. I know, he just wants some bullshit.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeh.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
The point.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
I like the way it sounded.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
Racists, the money stuff I can't tell me.
Speaker 7 (01:12):
From the Aid to Toronto, we let the metal go off,
and my dicks so hard it make the.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Metal detector go off. There it is.
Speaker 8 (01:21):
There is, Ladies and gentlemen, gentiles and little mamas alike.
Welcome to another phenomenal episode of Ma Mama Told.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Me Podcast, where we dive deep into the pockets of
black conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Theory and we finally work to prove whatever the fuck
you want us to prove.
Speaker 8 (01:37):
You call in, you tell us what you want us
to believe, and we'll do our best.
Speaker 9 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:42):
Well, I mean we try really hard to make all
your nonsense work.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No, we don't. We we give time. I think that
we devote time to this.
Speaker 8 (01:52):
That is our love language is uh. We give our time.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And you know what, Yeah, maybe it's not thoughtful.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Maybe we're gonna forget some birthday. Maybe we didn't pick
up everything you wanted us to a safeway. I'm sorry,
I forgot you were out of pistachios. Was all together?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Wasn't going to write it down? Baby, right? I got
my half of the rent. That's important.
Speaker 8 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, but we're here. We dedicate our time to you.
You know what I've been thinking about, and this is
a very recent thought. You know that little the little
fella who has cancer, the little guy who has cancer,
that that Trump made the well wait, you know that
he made the the honorary secret Service member.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You think he's secretly older than he is?
Speaker 8 (02:43):
Nah, I think those kids were right to bully him.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Okay, okay, let's open it up. Let's open it up.
Here's one good second and think about what I'm saying.
How old is he? He starts? I think that Rachel,
feel free to jump in you. I know you have
a lot of thoughts on this. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think that dressing up like a cop yep at thirteen,
Come on is not great. Come on, I don't know.
And this is I'm dancing carefully. I don't know what
his capabilities are underneath the police hat. You know what
(03:31):
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Come on, you guys, can't leave me alone. You please
can't leave. I don't know. I like crime. No, I agree.
I wonder where he's at. Listen, he is listen is eight.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
He's got a lot going on already. Yeah, he has
a lot going on. He does for a thirteen year old.
It is a lot of fucking work to not address
things that are happening that feel different, that is of
every race, of every culture. You are a child surrounded
by other children who want to be like, what the.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Fuck is happening with you? And then you put a
toy cop.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Outfit on top of it. But it was another thirteen
year olds making fun. It looked like adults, why are
you there?
Speaker 8 (04:34):
You apparently have a whole family that cares about you,
and this nigga is in the parking lot with a
blue toy gun.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, niggas are roasting him. You Maybe he lives in apartments.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
And we can't make a lot of assumptions.
Speaker 8 (04:50):
Yea, all I'm saying is, now you chime in, he
might not have a loving family. All the whole illusion
that they're trying to present to us is that this
was a nice young man who is just being abused
by his community. And that don't feel like what this
(05:12):
is to me, because I don't feel like they were
roasting him because of how he looked every single day.
They're roasting him because he came to a fucking parking
lot at midnight and was going to bed.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Go to bed.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
You created.
Speaker 8 (05:29):
I think he's doing vigilante justice in whatever bullshit neighborhood
he's from. You know, he might be a kid, and
I don't even know he's broke like that.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I got a good feeling.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Well, I don't think he can stand up for me
now your money, I don't think.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Yeah, this isn't a boy with resources. That's why they
picked him in the first place. I'm saying that this
all feels like a manipulation of a story, and that
if you start that camera ten minutes before, you will
see a very annoying kid, A bunch of kids that
were minding their fucking business. And then and then they
(06:08):
went in, so yeah, they were right, take your weird
ass home in a fucking fucking police uniform.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I wanted you to say he thought he was older
than you, because that was fun. They've seen the video
where he talk about being sexy, and you're like.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
I've seen a few little man conspiracies.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, I've seen on YouTube they said that his dad
is amazing.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (06:36):
It definitely feels very cherry picked in a way that
that videos at all. No, just the whole story feels
super cherry picked. All those stories were this. I mean,
I don't want to get back into it, but it's
like there's all smoking mirrors over there.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
That guy is a liar.
Speaker 8 (06:55):
Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Think objectively either way.
Speaker 8 (06:59):
That's sort of the point is that we're dealing with
a liar, and if if that means that he gets
bullied in his neighborhood, so be it.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, all right, it is that is tough to go on.
I understand it's difficult. I don't I think I want
to say I think I think he was probably being
a little dick because what what kid that age who
is up to speed?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
What kid that age dresses like a cop who doesn't suck?
That's all I'm yeah, of course, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
He's yeah, he sucks.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
And so if you got a bully, I'm a little
bit what I'm know what I'm saying. If he got
a bully just because he sucks, it's not like they
beat him up. No, they didn't put hand out that.
They just yeah, they didn't do a crime. They just
they just told he.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Look like ship.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, and he didn't even look like ship.
Speaker 8 (08:04):
It's not like he was like swagged. It wasn't even
a good cop. And he doesn't fit it good it's
none of it. Yeah, and yeah he decides if kids
are sexy, cops are not.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Of course, Yeah, don't. He just came and tried to
say it's okay to bully is woking.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Well, you're saying he's slow.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I don't think he's slow. I think he's sick. You
think he's fast.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yeah, he's a genius. He's in college.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The man's a secret service.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Would a slow kid be a secret service agent? I
think so under this administration, god would be I don't know.
How fast cash for Tell is whoa.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
Our guests today. We haven't introed her yet. We've burned
most bridges with a lot of communities. But I'm excited
she not watch this show.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yes, well yeah we could.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
They could, though we're cutting off we're cutting off our
muscle milk potential.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I want that.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You want that money, I want that money that's you.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Then they have access to you. You got to like, yeah,
they're gonna know your kids that these guys like you, they're.
Speaker 8 (09:17):
Gonna need to see me drinking the milk.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
They can't.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
I can't just say I drink it.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
They're gonna be and they're gonna know. They're gonna smell
it on you or not smell it on you.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
That's really Yeah, you don't smell like a sick cow.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Didn't drink our milk. Man, didn't drink our.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I guess today. She's so funny.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
You know her, You know her from from writing on
amazing shows, Harley Quinn, Blockbuster killing It uh keenan we
we crossed over it at the legendary program from NBC.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
People still want to work.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Well, masterpiece, beautiful, beautiful time television.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
I would say I've said that Yeah, she's so funny
and she has a brand new album she just it
just came out called Silly, Loud, Delightful.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Give it up for Rachel Pegram everybody.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Now, remember that's louder for them, and believe it.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah, it's quiet in here, but I'm trusting y'all.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It's loud elsewhere and here it's embarrassing. M H. I
have to humble myself every time I look it up.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
Rachel, you came to us today with the conspiracy theory that.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That I'm excited about.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
I don't know how you felt about this one. I
I think I knew this in my heart and had
heard whispers of it, but never really put any real
thought to it until this got presented. And so I'm
excited to talk about it. But you said, my mama
told me free ways and highways we're designed to ruin
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black neighborhoods.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yes, correct, tell us everything, okay, Yes.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
So I also did like some additional like looking up afterwards,
because I was like, I know it in my mind,
but like also I was like, let me like see
it's it's across every major city and also in smaller communities.
The it was the Highway Act of nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Second, I'm a little worried. Now she's snapping. I won't nobody,
And I'm so excited. Nobody ever shows up with a
year ever. This is this is good.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I got excited when it was chosen.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I was like, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
It's yeah, nineteen fifty six.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It was brought forward and it was like, oh, we're
gonna like connect the cities and the highways or whatever,
and like yeah, we'll just like have them go through.
And there were actually so many options where they could
have not gone through black neighborhoods specifically, and they chose
to anyway. There's literally one in Nashville where they kind
of they curved to a black neighborhood, didn't need to
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curve in, and like like they could have gone around
like multiple where it was like there was a railroad,
empty railroad, no one lived there. They were like no
through the black neighborhood. It's constant, it's everywhere. I think
it also actually coincides with the building of stadiums that specifically.
I think every time a stadium is built, it decimates
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a black community. So yeah, that is that is you know,
my dad was kind of pointed it out to me,
and then I started noticing it.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
It's truly all.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Over how old my dad.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
My dad is eighty three, Yeah, even.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Before the highways, he remembers at all.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
You don't even call himself black. No, that's a colored man.
That's a proud colored man. Yeah, my dad, he's he's
But my dad's like he's all about a conspiracy. Like
he loves like the they're just like the ideas of
around like the NFL, and like he's like, that's the
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slave trade.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I was just going in about it at the basketball
game Wednesday night.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I hate how the NFL is set up.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
The combine is a fascinating thing because it truly doesn't
really exist in any other athletic endeavor.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Then all of a sudden door stock is falling.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
Yeah, and also just the idea of like, let's line
these boys up and make them prove that they are
what we've seen them to be the whole time. It's
not like they're just random boys. Yeah, like if this
was you, truly, I just walked in and was like, hey, man,
I want to play profession no football, Yeah, make me
run forty forty yards to make sure I can do
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that ship?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But why the fuck are you making? You know what,
I mean, the best you go? Who cares? If you
can how many times you can rep two twenty five?
That's crazy, It's crazy. I hate it?
Speaker 8 (14:15):
All right, Well you believe that this this is the case, Yes,
you know it because of this act that sort of
takes place. You see it on the map. Are you
spreading the news? Are you like what what? What effort
are you making to solve this problem? If any?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
I'm curious starting to ask people. I just I just
want to know is it doesn't doesn't matter enough?
Speaker 8 (14:42):
I guess the question. Maybe that's a better way of
framing it. Oh, asking you to be an activist.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
And like get out there.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, well no, actually it is in Syracuse. One of
the highways I think it's I eighty one that like
also split a black neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
The highway is now falling apart.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Wow, And so they're actually having to reconcile with do
we fix the highway or do we maybe tear it
down and rebuild or like give back to the But
they're kind of like up against the whole thing of
like what does that mean? What does it mean to
like give back to a community that maybe isn't there anymore.
Who is gonna like take the land if you'd get
rid of the highway, who's going to be able to
afford it?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Does it actually get back to the community.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
So I do think, like because there was also some
like thing that Biden did where he was like trying
to give money back to like restructuring the highway.
Speaker 8 (15:37):
So and since we're hitting some of the research already,
part of what Biden did was in during that Remember
he had that giant infrastructure bill that he was working on,
two trillion dollar infrastructure bill, twenty billion dollars of that
was dedicated towards exactly what you're describing h of like
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making amends for what they fully acknowledged they did, of
rebuilding highways intentionally, not rebuilding, but building highways intentionally through
black neighborhoods, brown neighborhoods as well.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, So my question is it primarily black and brown
or was it also is this like class issue or
was it truly.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Just like straight up race or.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
White people were avoided even like in their homes, like
they were always.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Highways the looming through the house.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
The No, this was one percent them being like we are.
And part of the reason that it was happening is
because of the Civil rights movement, specifically changes around integration.
So they were watching them lose, the nation lose on
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policy basically saying, now you have to integrate your community, right,
and then they went, no, we don't.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Not if we always section it often yeah, right.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Yeah, there were communities that were integrated that they didn't like,
and then they would be like, Okay, we're putting the
highway through these integrated communities.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yep, damn kind of solved it early. Huh No, I
mean there's there's so much.
Speaker 8 (17:22):
There's a lot here. It's not just it doesn't just
limit itself there.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I'll break no as you No.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
My question is what's the timeline, because it's like when
is what I'm asking.
Speaker 8 (17:39):
This was in response to things that were happening in
the sixties and seventies, but like, so we're talking seventies.
I guess sixties and seventies is when the highways start
to really hit that build.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And my other question is outside of because it's obviously
not all black neighborhoods. Outside like, let's say the black
neighborhoods here, they've bent it this way what happens to
these other communities, Like does it lower?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Does it lower the status of all the communities that
the highways goes through? And they just primarily did it
through black neighborhood and then they did it through other
places as well. They just didn't give a fuck about
Like how deliberate is the mapping of it?
Speaker 8 (18:22):
I mean, I think, to Rachel's point, as deliberate as
they could make.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
It, Like, it's crazy how intentional it is when you
look at the maps of like there are areas where
they could have gone, and they chose truly to say,
ride through your house, rye, through your home. They said,
there's actually a park, there's an empty lane, there's no
one there, there's trash heaps. No, no, no, no, no, we'd
like to keep that.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Look, that's where a team smokes cigarettes. Ride through that, but.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
They can't go outside smoke a cigarette with their girlfriends.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
Yeah, no, it's surely it could not have been more intentional.
It could not have been more malicious, which is why
Joe Biden in twenty twenty whatever the fuck is being like, yo,
we gotta fix this.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, where's that stand now?
Speaker 9 (19:13):
Right?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Well, Joe Biden, he's still working on this Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (19:19):
I think it's running in a few years. Yeah, And
I think he felt like it got taken away from
him a little early, so he's gonna give it one
more shot. But but currently no, I don't know that
that bill's gonna.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
They're actually building more highway, taking through more neighborhoods now.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, and now they're naming the highway.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
We're racist too, all among people up North Michigan.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Everybody gets a highway. Fuck. Maybe we should take a break.
Speaker 8 (19:55):
We'll take a break, and when we come back, we'll
talk a little more of the research because and I
also have I have some new questions that that I
think some of this research sparked for me.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That would love to present to both of you. That
sound good. All right, We're gonna take a break. We'll
be back when more. Rachel pegram More. My mama told me.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
Do you have your passport? Did you get your shots?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Girl?
Speaker 7 (20:26):
Would you like to come back with drop to a panic.
Speaker 10 (20:38):
I hate it that he says, do you have your shots?
It's like the way that the way that feels to
saying that to somebody.
Speaker 8 (20:49):
Yeah, so a crowd of eating open, Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Also had to get a gang of shots to go
to Africa.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah no, it's it's not it's not sure all the
series of shots.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
He's worried about them. Yeah no, do you have your shots?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yeah, Rachel. One of the things that this conversation made
me think of as I was sort of researching it
is this clip that came up fairly recently. There's this
this clip of Trevor Noah's podcast that when somewhat viral,
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of him asking a question, a very leading question he
very clearly had a stance in the conversation, but a
leading question about whether or not integration was actually best,
that if it was in fact the right thing for
black people to integrate into white society. He's talking to
(21:54):
this Princeton African American studies professor, he's having like, you know,
an interview with her, and he sort of presents the
argument essentially saying that like uh, and he keeps making it.
He keeps making this reference to Finland and how like Finland.
In Finland, they are all homogeneous and they're all like
(22:15):
minded because of that, you know, homogeneous sort of like
network that they've built that everybody thinks the same and
has the same goals in mind, and that is only
possible through hegemony rather than like this weird mixing that
we've done. And I have complicated feelings on it.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, it is founded on that. It's always been that
you what are you gonna integrate this? What are you
talking about?
Speaker 8 (22:39):
That's sort of the challenge that I found myself up against.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
That's I think that's stupid.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I have heard dreadheads talk about that shit though, Yeah,
I have heard, like black people specifically, not so much
the integration. Gration was a bad idea, but the idea
that like when Italians came here and made their own neighborhoods,
they had their chances to make their own doctors and
policemen and whatever, and it built up that way and
we never really got to have that stable footing because
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we were integrated.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I almost disagree that that didn't happen. I think it
did happen. I think that there were deliberate ways even
prior to integration, that it was that those communities were
broken apart, right like that, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
What I mean? No, but like like.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, you don't get to that full pinnacle. But also
like when white people are immigrating like Italians Polish people whatever.
It's like eventually you're just white. You just lose all
of your ethnicity. You get to like, yeah, the reason
I learned that Andy Warhol was Polish, I didn't know that,
and he like.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Just like was like I'm white.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
I was just like, oh, but he's not just a
white guy.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
He was a Polish guy. But then you can just
like mask it. So I think it's completely Yeah, it's
like completely different.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
Than like Inland. You can't make a one to one comparison.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That's why it's a stupid I feel like it's a flawed.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
He also like goes on this weird like not tangent,
but he makes this weird caveat in the beginning of
it of like being like removing sort of like the
the malice of the separation that like if you're not
taking away our resources. But it's like, yeah, but the
reason people wanted to integrate was because they weren't being
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provided resources. Yeah, it's not like we were desperate to
be amongst the white people.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I say, we.
Speaker 8 (24:25):
I'm the product of the integration frankly, but yet thanks man,
But no, it's it means a lot, but but it's
it's not that black people were desperate to be with
white people. It's that like y'all would not provide basic
(24:46):
resources for black people pre integration, and you weren't suddenly
gonna do it if we just like have a handshake
deal and say we'll never live next to your daughter.
That's it's it's it feels like a false start.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
It's yeah, it's really it's like a smart dumb guy thing,
you know.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yeah, it feels like, yeah, well actually integration, Yeah, you
shouldn't have been integrated and it's.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Okay, yeah that rocks. Where will we be now?
Speaker 9 (25:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah, no there's did he like
there's golden Englewood?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, you're right, No, we should have just dug for
the gold ourselves. Did he come around the corner? Or
it was just ultimately the point because I know.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
I mean, the professor very much agreed with him, and
so it became, in my opinion, to people being wrong,
being like you're right to each other. And I don't
mean to you know. I'm sure she had a more
complicated answer than I took it to mean, but basically
her her argument was that we accepted integration as if
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it was our only option when in fact there were
alternatives to segregation or integration. Now where I take issue
is she never really explains what those are alternatives.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Are, right, Yeah, I don't think when people now like
to have a strong opinion about what the past and
what they would have done, it's like, well, they could
have done something, and I'm like, but you weren't there.
You don't know the options that people were faced and
like what they were like choosing, and like what you
had to deal with on a day to day basis,
(26:33):
and integration looked like it would help you and your
family right there, right then, that's a very different option
than you.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
All the way on the other side of the life.
Actually it could have been a little bit different and.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
A lot stronger than the roof it. Just I don't
like that at all.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
And I bet she is a very she's an African
American studies professor at Princeton. I imagine she's very learned
on the subject of like of the happenings of that era.
But I don't think that any amount of like reading
can actually make you experience or fully empathize with what
it feels like in that moment where you are being
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presented with Like if I found out my kid was
like at a school with poison water, and then the
other school didn't have poison water. I want them at
the school without the poison water. I don't give a
fuck if that means that like I have to then
introduce this more complicated problem in my life, and maybe
it is more complicated.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
I just don't want my baby poison. Yeah, yeah, that's
all they were feeling.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
No.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I think, like, as I was saying earlier, my dad
eighty three years.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Old, sochie was around for integration and like told me
about like the different schools that he went to, and
like when he went to a school that was all
black and then when he went to a school that
was integrated until he was with a lot of white kids,
and just like even the education difference and like the
kinds of teachers that he got. He did say, I
mean there is it's not a one to one, but
it's like when he was at an all black schools,
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like he got to have black teachers, he got to
be like taught by other people that look like him,
and like they were telling him, however, there's like maybe
certain subjects that weren't covered because if they didn't have
a teacher that was you know, knowledgeable there, you wouldn't
have it versus when he got to.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
A white school.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Okay, you maybe have like a math teacher who like
knows a little more.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
It was one of the subjects that was one.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Let's not call that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
There.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Let me just say I think math was there.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
His words are so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Maure or something. You know, I just know that.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
It was like okay, yeah, yeah, added to build my daddy.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Dude, is he says, I have to check me so beautifully? Yeah?
Uh no.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
But you know, just it's just like different opportunities in
a different and like you know, even just like the
facilities and the kinds of like, yeah, funding that you get,
but it's not that that the black schools, if those
had been more funded, that they wouldn't have maybe wanted
to be there, but like that funding wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Right without the integration. That's why it's not a fair.
That's why it's such a crazy And it feels like
that argument feels like it's like trusting white.
Speaker 11 (29:18):
People a lot, and yeah, in a way where like
this they would they would have helped you take care
of it, like that's why would you watch Yeah, that's so,
that's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
They burned Tulsa to the ground.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
I'm saying they were, like, this ship makes us so mad.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
We don't even want a city no more. We can't
have this.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
We don't even we don't want this to exist. There's
no fucking way that we're just gonna let niggas ride
off of like some alternative to to whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
They don't even give them any kind of a leg up.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Has that been the history of any of this to
get help, let let alone an even playing field.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
So I think that like.
Speaker 8 (29:58):
Argument this like it also presumes that things like the
highways being built the way that they are are just
a one off of things that they've done to us historically.
That I'm sure there are tens and tens and tens
of things that we take for granted that are just
slightly different than we realize. Like, for example, where I'm from,
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I'm from a suburb called oak Park, and on the
oak Park side, or rather, our neighborhood is adjacent.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
To a place called Austin in Chicago.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Austin notoriously is one of the rougher neighborhoods in Chicago,
but we are right next to it. A big street
separates us, called Austin. On the Oak Park side of
our street, the lights are white. On the Chicago side
of the street, the lights are yellow.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Man, I hate walking down a yellow ass street at
night alone.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Like, same street, but this one's white. This one's yellow, y'all.
Don't think that's a little light yo. Just so y'all
know signature that you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
we don't give a funk about what's over there. That's
why we made the street lights yellow so they'll drive
these niggas crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, it's a color of crime. It feels like close.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Your eyes and imagine a crime being committed on the street.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Yeah, I know what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I never thought I was gonna get it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
It's a little yeah, and you're next to a basketball court.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Now.
Speaker 8 (31:41):
It's it's those kinds of small things that I think
moved so far past just highways that I think this
kind of argument of like, well, we shouldn't have never
integrated in the first place from a South African makes
it feels nasty. It feels so silly because we're we're
so buried in Yeah, white supremacy frankly.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Yeah, it's like been like years and decades and decades
and decades of oppression, of being displaced, of being moved,
of being told you can't be here, of like establishing
yourself and then having to like have your community decimated,
and then you're presented with an opportunity where perhaps you
might get a little bit more for your community. True,
Like that's gonna look a lot different than like, oh well,
(32:23):
actually it's gonna come with these caveats. It's like, well,
I don't know that you're gonna see all of those
caveats when you're like coming from a place of like in.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
A system that's baked in to keep you down, any
leg up you take.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's it. It felt nasty
in a way that I didn't I didn't want to
be angry at it, because I do, in my heart
of hearts, believe that we we as a as people,
would have been better off if we were able to
kind of like build our own and sort of privatize
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blackness for longer, incubate this shit for a little bit
in an effective way. But on the flip side, it
feels so shortsighted to what the actual like lived experience
was for all of the people that survived that shit.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, I mean it's just time and time again, like
if there's Tulsa. But then also where I'm from in Texas,
I'm from a little town called Detton, and yeah, yeah,
and so in Detton, my family was from a part
of town where there's like a predominantly black community that like,
once they got emancipated, they like moved in and it
was like right by unfortunately the Texas Women's University, and
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so this community was there and it was thriving. They
had a full downtown and sometimes the women from the
university would come and they would buy things from the shops.
And then everyone at the university got anxious paranoid about it.
The clan came to the town and said, we're burning
down the school, and you guys need like to warn them,
like you know, And they so they burned down the school.
(33:55):
They burned on half of the town, and then Texas
women University said, you have to move the town. You
need to move where all the black people are.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
So we got to move the town.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I'm so cut to shop, yes, but they already burned
They didn't burn the university they burned the school in
the town. Yes, and so the Klan burned the school
for the black kids in the town, and then they
had to move the town overnight on logs, and they
moved it to another part of town, which is literally
where I'm from, which is southeast Dton, And so they
(34:28):
moved the whole town over there.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
And then now is a park where.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
They've sort of recreated some little monuments to say like, well,
this is what was here. But I guess that's what
I mean to say it with it is like this
happens all over the country where there's black people who've
established themselves. They got a lot of money, they were
doing well, they had commerce, they had capitalism, et cetera.
Oh it's bothering white people, or oh I don't like
the way you're thriving.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
You need to leave. So like, what is the what
is the alternative?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
You keep coming out and then they're taking you down.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
It's like you have to I mean, I guess the
point is that you have to integrate into their society,
right ray, but you can't. They would rather you not
do for self as much as they would rather you
do whatever you have to do this similar or leave completely,
which put it on logs, which I'm sorry for what
happened in your town, hilarious visual.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Put the houses on logs and they're dragging them through
the town on horses.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I live in a house my she ain't even set
up to put on like if you told me I
gotta go on logs tonight tonight.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
The idea that there was one dude who heard the
news and had to put his house on logs by himself.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
I think that there was a nigga that was ready.
Everybody said Ray was crazy logs.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Everybody said, now we gotta go southeast.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
Who's ready?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Who's the engine in this little You don't have to
get ready.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
That's mister Ray Wheels.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Taking three lots.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:26):
I this this is devastating to think about, that that
this is where our history starts. It reminds me a
little bit of Manhattan Beach. I think very recently, probably
in the past couple of years, there was a black
family that apparently was the sort of like original like
(36:46):
proprietors of this major section of Manhattan Beach, and they
are just now getting some version of like yeah, like
an attempt at getting money recoped for what essentially was
like burned and stolen from them type shit. It's all nasty. Yeah, yeah,
(37:07):
this it's it's vast, it's rich. It really the highway thing,
for me at least, reminds me of how little I
know about what was actually done to black people, and
in a beautiful way where you're like, sometimes you can
become a little like all right, motherfucker, I'll get it
with some of like the hardship of it all, and
(37:27):
it's a nice reminder that like, no, you don't get it. Yeah,
there's still so much more shit that you missed.
Speaker 5 (37:35):
No, I completely.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
That's like I feel like in looking at some of
the like looking at where the highways hit and where
they like cross, it was like, oh, it's the same
kind of thing, but like it's just these neighborhoods, these
places where people were thriving, were doing so well, Like
I I can't imagine having to like you built a
whole life and like you're you're doing like you in
(37:58):
the community, you got kids, you know, everything's going well
for you, and then they're like, no, just kidding, it's
all gone. How devastating that would have been and how
like painful like to rebuild after that?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, we're go, right, and everyone scattered and yeah, comes
like and now they just got a highway through Vallejo.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Damn. Yeah, I don't know why Vallejo is the city
I picked. Yeah, you picked to go.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
I don't know where that is.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
It's northern California. That's where forty is from. I didn't
know that. Oh yeah, also Mac Dre.
Speaker 8 (38:31):
I think I just treated Bay rappers like they're all
from Oakland.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Okay, Yeah that's fair.
Speaker 8 (38:36):
Yeah, I wasn't gonna say San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, I just assumed job there are in San Francis.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Shout out to coog Nut, Bill Manner players Rapping Forte
all right.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Anyway, hell yeah, anyway, Yeah, I love Google Nut.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
You.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I think you would like it me. He's very funny.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Okay, happy, I'm down the track, google Nut.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think we're done. Okay, I think we did it.
Speaker 8 (39:04):
This is I think a gorgeous episode of one of
our better pieces.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Rachel, could you tell the people where they could find you?
What cool shit you have going on? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (39:13):
You can follow me on Instagram that I am Rachel
Pegram And my album came out and so you can
buy that.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Go buy the album. Go listen to it. I have
some on all the all the you know that one.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
It's even on title.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
The blackest music streaming option is it? I got titled.
I think I don't playlist on title. I don't know
any white people who exclusively have title.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
I have one wife friend who is exclusively on title.
She got in there and she said, I'm committed. Everything's
over there.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
For a week and a half.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
This is where I am home.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know what I like about title? When you go
to an artist, the like top songs will be different
than they are for other streamings streamers because it's like
more black people.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So like the DMX top ten is different than if
you go to a party up the way that yeah,
if you go to yeah yeah, yeah, okay, wait I
like you that is? Yeah it is.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
I think it's very generic. Yeah, you remember have to
you have to hunt. If you're trying to discover an artist,
you have to hunt to get to a B side
of their ship.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Really, it's not actively available. They're not like presenting that.
Speaker 8 (40:31):
No, they present like, Yo, here's all the ship. You
will absolutely have heard of them.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, then come on over the title, y'all the water
is warm. I could probably get y'all a playlist. I
got a playlist over there. It's called hard Isn't bullshit,
David bor That's what it is. It's official.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
You can talk about this one playlist.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah no, no, no, not that I made. That. I
made in conjunction with title. The title. This is my playlist.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
To present that.
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
No, that was really I.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Was really getting my feelings and I was like, no, no.
I was like, man, they're really like, yeah, I understand.
Oh it was like my workout man.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Yes, that's about what you were trying to get us
in on new music. Oh no, I'm good man, really
want that. Yeah. I didn't give a fun about Yeah no,
that's that. That sucked, But that's cool. That title was like, nah,
you gotta give a fuck about it. Yeah yeah, cool.
(41:32):
Well go listen to David's title.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Make listen to Hardy's and Bullshit on Times and where
what else can they do for you?
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Cool guy?
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Joke City seven on Instagram, Go to Patreon dot com,
back slash David Bory, purchase my special Birth of a
Nation with the g It's so funny, and then go
to all the streaming services mostly mostly title and you
can listen to the album and it's different jokes, so
you could listen to the album and then you could
watch this by the special till you to buy this special.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
Yeah, And as always, you can follow me at Langston
Kerman on all social media platforms. You can see me live.
I will be March twenty seventh and twenty through the
twenty ninth, I'll be in the Vermont Comedy Club, and
then April tenth, I'm gonna be in Salt Lake City
at Wives Guys, and then April seventeenth, I'm gonna be
(42:23):
at the Wise Guys in Las Vegas. And you can
send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories. You
could tell us which music streaming service Asian people prefer.
Send it all to my Mama pod at gmail dot com.
We would love to hear from you. Give us a
call at eight four four, Little Moms, We would love
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Speaker 1 (42:42):
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Speaker 8 (42:43):
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Speaker 1 (43:08):
Bitch I called the book nobody supposed to be here, Well,
bitch I can't.
Speaker 8 (43:16):
My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's
Big Money Players.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
Network and iHeart Podcasts. Greeted and hosted by Langston Krekt,
co hosted by David Bori.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
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Speaker 1 (43:32):
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