July 31, 2025 • 56 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Also follow me on this. Hood rats, don't aborborshing your womb.
We need more warriors soon, Sam from the Stars Sun
in the Moon. But in who was shooting at him?
It means he was shooting at a black guy, So
we need more war We need more warriors in the
(00:22):
war on black on black guys. He ain't kill any
white guys in that video, which is really my only issue.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, you're saying that this is Nas more spreading self
hatred than than I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm saying I don't know what the fuck happened. I'll
say I don't know what the funk outen in that video.
I'm old enough that I could finally admit it. I
didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Nobody got it, man, and that's that's what it's so beautiful.
NAS was like, uh, put it out in it.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Listen, I'm just gonna put a T shirt on my
head say some numbers about guns. Don't get it.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Let me just say what happens to bubble the go. No, Okay, your.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Quality bears are racist. The money turney stuff, I can't.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Tell me, but I gotta be strong. But I gotta
be strong. Girl. You did me wrong when I thought
we were really down there. It is there. It is
welcome little Mama's and gentiles alike to another phenomenal episode
of My Mama Told Me.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets
of black conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And we finally worked to prove that the Dallas Shag
predates the mullet, a haircut that was introduced to the
white community by known government conspirator Billy Ray Cyrus to
add the popularity of the other one, because the government
knew that the work life balance struck between the business
(02:20):
in the front party in the back lifestyle would render
the black man too strong.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
My name was, my name is likesan German, and I'm stunned.
Come on, that had like JFK shooting level twists and
turns in it that you know what I mean, Like
you really built a narrative. There are more than one
shooter in that story, and I gotta, I gotta really
unpack this. So what you're saying is that that the
(02:47):
black Man shag, the the Dallas Uh, how did you
refer to it?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
The Dallas Shag?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The Dallas Shag is in fact the the predecessor. It
is the original shag and the white man surp. This's
like rock and Roll demanded it become their own to
keep us from growing stronger as a people.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yes, wow, because the core of it is the work
life balance.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and that that type of balance would make us
too powerful. We would we would loose ourselves from sort
of the restraints of the white man and his order
as it were.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
They even want you working or not fuck you walk
that line?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you're just at home drinking a Heineken
that you can afford. No, we don't like that, No, no.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, no. They want you to kill yourself for that
crystal or drink that eight ball and not go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah yeah, okay, I'm here for it. I'm bought in.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You know where that came from. Me and my girl
went to one of the more ratchet walmarts in our
area and we saw a Dallas swag and very conflicting
opinions on it. My girl was like, did you see that?
And I was like a kind of at the same time,
I was like it was amazing, and she was like,
that's gross.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But okay, let's unpack amazing for you. Because because I
tend to agree with her, I think it's a huge
mistake that any man should be deeply, deeply ashamed of.
That said, what is the amazing for you? Are you like,
physically I am attracted to that look, or you're like, no,
that's amazing that he's he's like being himself.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I appreciate when black man's it's an all natural haircut.
That's an inventive and I think that's pretty cool. I
think it's I do what I do it if my
(05:10):
girl had reacted differently, yes, the issue, my issue with
the shag is that it has two components that I've
never been able to lock down in my life. That's
why I couldn't do it too.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
What are the two components.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Afro and waves? I've never really successfully completed either.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh you're saying that just to have the shag but
not but not be wavy as fuck would would be
a disservice. It wouldn't do it. Okay, Okay, I can
meet you somewhere near in the middle. Then. I do
think it needs to look it needs to look elevated,
and I think oftentimes, at least to me, it's treated
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just as like an additional piece of hair. And I
don't like when it just looks like, oh, you just said, hey,
lead that, I'm gonna keep that. Yeah, that was just me.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
My man. He was shining. It was man, it was
like a neat puff in the back. It was it
was well done.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Like I need you to be in a shirt with
like three buttons open, you know what I mean, Like
I want you to fully be bought into the character
and then I can fuck with that. But I'm saying
that like that ain't no grocery store. Look, you know
what I mean, Like you can't just be a guy
in your sweats doing that and that. That's what I'm saying.
(06:38):
I support that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I think if you're gonna do that, you have
to get a lineup every week.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You gotta be a lineup every week. You gotta really
buy into the character. You gotta you gotta uh, you
gotta start like, uh, you gotta start calling girls miss ma'am.
You know what I mean, Like you gotta really.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Uh non ryption cardiers.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, you gotta really be a fucking dude after a while.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Which is fine. That's She also noted there were a
lot of Africans in the store didn't care for that either.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Same energy at the shed.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
No, no, no, just like but I was just I'm
just so sensitive. I realized this about myself. I'm so sensitive.
She's like, there's a lot of Africans in there, and
I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
But the problem is I did notice.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I was like, damn man, these culture wars got to end.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm a living contradiction. I feel like I'm mixed.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, I get you, I got you.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Get an American that might be the second one to
black and white, that might be the second most difficult one.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
WHOA you think so that like the that the that
just the challenges of connecting are that deep.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I think at times you very much will butt up
against it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, well, let me ask you this. This is maybe
a fascinating question for the African American sort of like
transition of it for for the mixed kids. We always
talk about how the mom is such a big determinant
and whether a mixed kid turns out a decent or not.
That like if white mom, black dad, you get a
(08:44):
Patrick mahomes Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I've heard that. I've heard that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Every time, whereas like black mom, white dad, you get
much closer to the the sort of like ideal concoction
of mixed being.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know what I mean, sweet spot?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, you hit a sweet spot where you're like, Ah,
that motherfucker. He gets it because he had a black
lady yelling at him versus a white appeaser, you know
what I mean. Like, it's not it's a very different vibe,
I think. And so I wonder if there's any calculation
inside of the African to African American that you're speaking to.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I don't know, because I had an African mom and
a not present father. Ah, so it's like, but my
mom got here young, so I think even within her,
it's like because she got even when she was eighteen,
So I think even within her the give and take
yeah pretty big, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yes, she's also struggling to make peace with this other element,
and then you are struggling subsequently, because it's a stacking
of struggling.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And then if you want to get deep into it.
Because of the war, I didn't really know a lot
of my family like that, So I grew up. When
I was younger it was more Africans, but probably by
the time I got to elementary school, it was far
more Americans in my life than African people.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So then it's like, might as well do some stand
up comedy about it. Birth of a Nation available at
patreon dot com. Backslash David Boy is very funny.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I just picture of you after a while, just staring
in the mirror being like, what am I.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I have like a grape soda and a glass Banta
in one hand. Oh god, I smashed them both on
the mirror. I should have wrapped bro. I could have
had videos that visual. That's enough for a bet awarded.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I don't know, it depends what era you rapping, because
right now they would shoot you in the streets for
that goofy ship. But but man, we had a we
had a good run where hip hop could be like real, uh,
just like metaphorical and corny, and it was. It was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
We remember the one mic video.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, come on, that's so far pseudo deep.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's the that's the peak of that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It was so cool and and we would laugh so
hard at it, you know what I mean. If it
came out right now, it.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Was so it felt important at the time. Why was
he in Africa?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I was like, honestly, I think he might get an
Oscar for this ship. I think Bro, I think they're
going to open up the categories. I really think, but
not just did is transforming the film industry and we
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have to all acknowledge it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Marty Scorsese, he takes some notes. You want to construct
a narrative. My man nas did in two minutes and
forty eight seconds a song that, truly, I am not
sure I know what it's about.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I don't think he knew yelling, and that's all it
takes for me. Dog he did that. I have listened
to him talk about the dying at thirty three Jesus'
math shit so many times. I don't know what he's adding.
I don't know what he's subtracting. No proof, no point
(12:54):
was proven to me in any way. And when he
said Jesus died at thirty three, that was the end
of it. You like the all the shit.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I was like, man, sixteen one of my guns was
holding seventeen. I don't even know if the math adds
up to what he says, let alone the gun math. Bro,
I don't know, gun man.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I know I know the sixteen plus one one in
the chamber. Sure, oh okay, if that makes sense, But
what the fuck did it add up to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't know it added up to a theme dropping
his Heineken.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Like all right, man, I don't know what this is,
but fuck you're a genius.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
He did love talking about Jesus. Remember he had the
video that was another NAS video that I thought was important,
was the Hate Me Now because he was on the
cross ture. In hindsight, well, I don't know what reason.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You know a NAS and it's not even really a
NAS video, but a video that featured nods. That that
always comes to mind for him is that uh that
Missy Elliott song the Hot Boys, Hot Boys. He was
in the video because they only did the video for
the remix, I think, and a man that his verse
(14:18):
in that with all the fire fucking going off and ship,
I was like, man, this is cool. This is this brother?
Is he got it?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Man?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
That ship was so good that we forgot about q
tips verse.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Mm hmmm mmm hmm. I couldn't tell you what Keith
was talking about. I forgot he was there. That's what
we need, I think, can I say? And this is
maybe this is gonna make us sound bad. Yeah, I
think we're kind of scratching the same itch for people
(14:56):
say more. I think that we scratched that like really smart,
but is it really long? Ah? Yeah, you're saying we
are offering them the one mic video twice a week,
and they're like, they're like, man, this ship is deep.
(15:29):
And then you listen to one hundred episodes and you're like,
I don't think these I think these niggas are dumb.
I don't think they talking about nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
How many episodes do you think it takes for them
to find out we're kind of dumb?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh hmmm, I think I think, uh.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Four, we gotta sell tickets for this tour. He's gotta be.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You think they're you think they're going longer than four.
I think I just don't believe in in myself so
much that I'm like, you're gonna figure it out pretty
fast that I'm a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I think you get through ten before you find out we.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Don't read WHOA Ten's pretty good?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think ten. But you are not in a condescending way,
very articulate. Sometimes you talk and I'm like, damn, almost rest.
We just did a podcast for some whites. I said
about ten words the whole time, and you have reasonings
for everything. All your thoughts were grouped.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I was like, yeah, look, but that is that is
admittedly my trick. That's the game that I figured out
when I was younger. Was like, oh, I gotta if
I learned to talk to people, and if I learned
to sound smart, when I do it, motherfuckers will will
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fold in ways that I could not control otherwise.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I've done.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is like, yeah, I'm gonna get real fancy. I'm gonna
learn words that I can apply at odd times. I'm
gonna make motherfuckers feel like I'm on some brilliant shit
when in fact, I'm just making this up.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's like, oh, baby, that's good because my I think
this is why we work good together. My thing that
people think that I'm smart about is I can take
something that's very complicated and simplify it down. Yeah, but
it's just because I don't get it. So it's like,
I'm like, you're throwing all these science terms at me.
(17:34):
I have to equate it to like drinking a bottle
of liquor at a party, Like that's the only way
that I can understand the science of global warming.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And you gotta shave that ice down to make a picture.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
We gotta talk flat because like in where you dove
deep into it. I went the other way because then
I'm like, if I just peak plainly and very directly,
then they'll have to think I understand what's going.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
On, right I, brother, you ain't got to use autumn
words with me. You're talking to it. You're talking to
a man who's already here. That's why I equate it
to something local to my personal in my personal past.
How about that.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I think it's gonna work. I really think we're gonna
become rich off of this. I at least not have
to go back to working at the gas station.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I sure hope. So I really do think that it's
a it's a wonderful trick that we're pulling, and I
pray that we continue to pull it off.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
And I would love to say, by the way, listeners
out there, if you have a trick to make you
seem smarter than you actually are, email us. We're always
looking to build.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
We need a strong team of liars and rascals. And
if there's if you can prove that your triggery is
that much of an asset, there might be a position
for you here at My mama told.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Me truly, truly, because let me tell you, I was
like thirty two years old before I understood what people
meant by fast talking.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Mm hm m m m m.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And that is a trick I wish I had. I
love it when people get to go in fast or
I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, I listen, some of some of the best are
our motherfuckers that can just finess the conversation quick man.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's what comedy is. That's every stand up comedian, that's
all the skill is.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And I think that's that's why when our listeners and
we're gonna go to a break in a second, but
that's why for our listeners. Who ever wonder about our
cynicism as it relates to comedy, your heroes we sometimes make.
We make light of maybe some of the choices that
our peers are making at times, and and and you wonder,
why why are they like that? Are they just two haters? Well, yes,
(19:53):
that's one thing. That's that's a big part of it.
But the other part of it is we know that
we're all fucking idiots. So when you call our friends
and people we work with brilliant and you say how
they are, they are the true philosophers in the world. No,
the fuck they're not. We're idiots.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
These think it's addicted to adderall.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
They're so so dumb, and I like their comedy. I
enjoy the art form we've chosen because we all know
how stupid we are and how fundamentally insane it is.
That you even pay attention.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's the best part. People. There are smart people who
will research things. Listen to them for your life advice
or whatever. You want to hear some goofy shit that's
not quite accurate, then come over, come over and over here.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
You would do better doing TEDx not even the Ted
talks TEDx talk are certainly more likely researched and grounded
than anything we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Are the ted X tops for dumb people? Is that
what it is?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think it's like it's the less than Ted, if
that makes sense. It's like it was Ted opening it
up to like a broader spectrum of local voices and
shit where you could still be an expert quote unquote.
But it's it's not the same tier as a Ted talk.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, would you do a Ted X? I hope not to.
I I think some of our I think comedians have
done them.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think a lot of comedians have done them. But
I don't think that that anybody is like blown away
when you're like, yeah, I did a ted X, I
think I think.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I probably don't deserve in any way to be doing
a TED but certainly if I do it, I gotta
go TED all the way.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Okay, Olivia says TED conferences are run by TED, while
ted X events are organized by volunteers. Oh okay, in
that case, Denver, Colorado, I'll be doing a ted X.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Hey, no payoff top Okay, Denver, we are ted xing.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
We gotta take a break and then we'll come back
and we'll get into a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, let's let's talk againstpars me.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
All right, we'll be back. Here's what I say, and
let's bring let's bring it back on this hilarious. We
just cut out a comment that I made that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It was one of the funniest things I've ever heard
in my life. It's like top ten for me right
now of things the funny things that somebody said. You know,
it's the scale changes every day.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's always changing.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's high. It is high on the list. That was
the Wilt Chamberlain of things you can't deny it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
No, you just you gotta go to the fire. You
gotta go through the fire. That's where you guys didn't
hear it, But just know we're here and we're having
the important conversations so that you can take these and
you can go back to your thanksgivings in your holidays
and you can be armed to talk to your bigot
family members because two known smart men have already discussed
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these things for you, men that you think are genius
man you already know have done the work. Yeah, that's exactly.
That's it. That's why this works.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Because we work, because we work. Before the episode got
into I think an exciting discussion about a conspiracy theory
that obviously has been circling for a few weeks now,
we were prompted by some of Shannon Sharp, your your hero,
I would say, your king.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
My hero's on a tight end.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Uh. Shannon Sharp obviously has been acting a goddamn fool
all across the Internet as of late, largely connected to
his sort of like constant defense and advocacy for Caitlyn Clark.
He like is constantly sort of raging about how mistreated
and underappreciated Caitlin clark Is and a lot of black
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women in particular have been very unhappy with Shannon sort
of like making this constant effort to rage for a
white woman, all the while ignoring the hundreds black women
also in that league.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
And it's I mean, listen, you know the game better
than me. Is she underrated?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
She kind of was at a point, but not in
a way that needed what he was doing, do you
know what I mean? Where Like, she came from college
and she's nasty, just objectively, nobody argues otherwise she is very,
very good at basketball, but she also was on a
team that was shitty in the beginning and was building,
and so they were losing a lot, and she wasn't
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yet sort of in the swing the way that she's
now in the swing. So his from the beginning was like,
this is a you know, like a rookie showing like
upper tier leadership potential. We should be celebrating and going crazy. Also,
she's the most famous player in the league, so we
should follow that. And then now her shit, her expectations
(25:56):
have like grown, and so it kind of matches. Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Do you feel like Angel Reese is underrated? This is
actually not what we're talking about. I'm sorry, No, it's okay.
I I don't think Angel Reese is underrated now, but
I think that she was also underrated in the beginning.
And I think it took her literally breaking the rebound
record for people to start treating her more seriously than
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I think they would have been treating her if it
was just like a rookie in the league, who was,
you know, dominating a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Okay, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking
about him fucking on camera. Yeah. But yeah, so Shannon's
been getting in trouble. But you asked the question, and
the conspiracy we sort of got into is the question
of whether or not the the videotape, the alleged ig
live that's circulated of him fucking on that lady saying
(26:55):
that's my Michelle was in fact staged, Whether or not
this whole thing was a big ruse. Yes, where do
you fall in in in this theory? Well, I will
say I thought his cardio was better. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Sounds like me.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And I've always thought of Shannon as a showman. I'll
be honest with you, I thought that show for it.
I think he put on a little show for it.
I think Shannon Shnon is very much a man who
like uh likes to to give them them them ladies
what what he thinks they believe they need.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Spread it apart like a quarter to three old joke, because.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
He gotta like put on these you know what I mean. Like,
I think he does that every single time, even if
he's not in the mood for spreading apart.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
And oh it wasn't. Oh yeah, me too. I think
here's the thing about going live. At some point, it's
because you touched that button. It would have gone live
from when you touch that button, your phone wouldn't be
across the room when you were sucking it, and it
just starts going live. Yeah, that's why I don't believe it.
(28:21):
I've only gone onto other people's lives. I've never like
gone live myself because it's embarrassing. Well yeah, i'd feel
a certain type of low that I don't know that
I can undo just sitting there doing that weight thing
that people be doing. Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Nick?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Hey? Every time I every time I accidentally click on
somebody's live and it says you can request to join
this person's life. I'm like, I would rather kill myself
and it's like I'm doing my friends.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, surely that that fucking weight is It is so
brutal for me that I could not even imagine getting
to enough people that I would feel satisfied with with
starting to talk. Yes, yeah, no, it's my worst nightmare.
(29:23):
It seems terrible, just waiting for a few more people
to hop in, then we're gonna get started. Like whoa man.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's a tough sentence. Whoa tough sentence. But that's a
tough sect. But when they call out, looks like we
got about people on here.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And this is because I'm sensitive. My ego can't take that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, no it's not. Look man, if that is part
of the game, you do the game that this is
not us telling you not to survive. However you feel
better suit you to survive. But truly, the idea of
personally doing that is my one of my greatest nightmares.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
There's a reason I don't have a lot of Instagram followers.
It's because I don't know. I'm not willing to do
the things. Yeah, well that's that's.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
My problem, buddy, you and me both. But yes, the
live is number one not a thing that ends up
across the room, and number two is not something that
is easy to do. It's like actually like multiple steps
(30:36):
before you can go live. It's not just like, oh
my butt tapped a button and suddenly we're live type shit.
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I understand accidentally sending like a dirty picture because you're
in the frenzy of text messaging. Who hasn't who amongst
us right but to go live on accident and for
the phone to not be anywhere near your hand. But
it wasn't like he accidentally went live and then like
set the phone down and started fucking right right, So, like,
(31:08):
I think it has to be shitedstaged.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Now, some people have been claiming that there's some sort
of scam, like people are hacking into these phones and
making them go live.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
But how they known when he was fucking.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's my issue is that it's it's a daily time,
right yeah, And it's not like, oh, well, we do
this all the time with him and so like we
we just so happened to this time get him fucking
it's the only time it's ever happened, and he happens
to be fucking across the room on his phone. That
(31:46):
feels a little convenient personally.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, And uh, I think in all this is to
what we were talking about before, is that it feels
like people were, if I'm madam, claiming for him to
be whatever the term you would like to call it, queer,
whatever you want to use. And it feels like this
was to like sort of dispel those rumors. Yeah, which
(32:13):
is sad.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I think what we were saying, that's the conspiracy is
that is that he is not pretending to be having
sex with this woman for no reason. He's pretending to
have sex with this woman and saying that's my Michelle
repeatedly naming her as a sort of red herring and
illusion for what he actually is, which is a gay
(32:38):
man who has gay sex.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
And I don't think that's true either. But I do
think that like this sexual pocket watching has really got
us all mixed up in a way that seems to
be doing a lot more harm than I because I
think it's cool if Shanna sharp folks, any you know
what I mean. Listen, he's an old, buff, rich guy
(33:04):
who never committed to a family. He should be fucking
everything that isn't tied down.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah, No, he's why you do that.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
That's why you get buff and old and don't have
a family.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
He has no responsibilities to anyone but himself. He should,
he should fuck whoever he wants.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
He should be going crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It would make perfect sense. No one would, no one should.
And this is a problem. No one should question it
even for a second. But he and this is what
we talked about, represents this such massive important figure for
sort of heterosexual black men that the very idea of
(33:48):
Shannon Sharp being queer is like a prison for us.
It's truly is like destroying us just because it's like
it's its own form of bonding.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think, Like I think that's its own trap, right,
Like if that's a part of yourself that you're repressing
and you can't be free to explore that, which is
a pretty innate need or whatever, Like, how can you
ever to be free?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right? How can you ever feel like you're yourself? Yeah?
This is uh, this is it is the most one
of the more animal parts of us, you know what
I mean? Like, it's the the most animal shit that
we can't like even uncooked slightly. Sex is so fundamental
in who we are, uh, And we can't control it
(34:42):
and can't stop it. The urge, it will always exist
in us. And the idea that you're repressing even a
portion of that, it is so sad and it seems.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
To have a lot of consequences. I think we've seen
time and time again, right, Yeah, like repressing that part
of yourself and that's what's sad, is like I don't know, man,
we just like And now I feel corny because I
don't do anything. I'm actually pretty vanilla. I'm not even
as exciting as rappers, which does that hurt? Yeah a
(35:17):
little bit, because we're all living under this crazy hyper
masculine thing, masculinity thing where it's like you don't want
a good, pushy, full d every day.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, that's crazy. I never wanted to get late as
much as rappers. It's like, honestly, it takes more time
than I'm willing to give to it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, I definitely like it a lot, a lot, a lot,
but it isn't Uh, it isn't all consuming for me.
There are some and motivated by and sometimes those things
help me circle back to that sweet pussy I've been
looking for. But but it ain't it isn't for me
(36:02):
as fun without also the other cool shit that I
get to do, like pussy feels empty.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, And I think that especially as a black I
don't know about I feel like being in my early
early twenties as a black man, you felt like this
is supposed to be the point of your life. And
if you find that lacking for me, it makes it
does make you feel You're like, you're like, is there
something wrong with me?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You know what I mean, Like I am I I
must not be healthy. I must not be right man.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
If I don't feel all these real man urges for
constant pussy.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, And then when you get older, the guys who
are still doing that, you're like, damn, I feel it
doesn't it's not it's not good.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
No, it looks bad after a while, where you're like, oh,
big man, I doubted myself early, but I'm saying now
I get that I'm okay, And what are you proving.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I don't think it's like you get to an agent
somewhere where you're like, I don't think it's cool that
you get pussy an.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeh, hey, man, chill out. You had your phil move
down the buffet.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Line for the love of God, where is your son?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
There's only so many slices of honey baked ham that
that man is going to cut off for you, and
after a while you gotta move off the buffet line.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I mean it speaks to like, but I mean like
people talk about it, right, did you read We Real Cool?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, she talks about it a lot, which was the
first time that looks about it, which is the first
time I'd ever heard anybody talk about it specifically with
the black man, And like, what you're looking for is intimacy,
But you go through sex and you'll always find yourself wanting,
so you won't ever because like it is, like it's
just that hyper sexualization. That shit's crushing us, man, because
(38:11):
it doesn't give you space to explore the rest of
what you could be. Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Like the biggest fucking thing that holds men back. It
truly is like number one on the call sheet. The
thing that's ruining us most is our unwillingness to fucking
just not be men all the time as we define them.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
And how do we beat that? Oh? Can't we beat that?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I don't I don't know. I don't know if it's
possible to be honest with you. It really like we
truly watched a generation of young men put on dresses
and sort of demand to be empowered and seen and
and fighting for sort of like shifts in these cultures
(39:06):
and beliefs, and like now niggas just wear colorful nails
and call each other the F word like it ain't.
It didn't, It doesn't deal with I think, yeah, you
know what I mean. It's just like you, you can
be queer and homophobic now, which is good, I guess.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I know for me personally, because it's like we're having
this conversation, but we're having this conversation because it's me
and you. For every one of these conversations, there's ten
just regular conversations with some dudes where you try to
bring some ship up like this and you are struck
down to it. I'm not even the barbershop and you're like,
(39:52):
I can't get a cut that day. Then I get killed.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Now, I don't if any of y'all thought we were
in our barbershops being brave, you are mistaken.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I'm barely talking.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Those men say vile, vile things, and I I nod
politely and watch the game out.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And I laughed, but not loud enough to hurt my soul.
Uh huh, Because like when you talk to an old guy,
he just give him.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
What he you know, what he wants. Yeah, you gotta
give him what they want. This man is in charge
of my air. I'm not about to correct him.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
When I think about all this, too, I do think
it's like I think it's also this all speaks to
this level of like aggressiveness and alertness that we're supposed
to have that does not allow you to like really
relax and search for yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
That's what I think the shame is in a lot
of this.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I think the alertness exists and almost in a multitude
of ways for black men, where it's like you have
to be on constant alert of like violence and racism
against you, you have to be on constant alert about
sort of like your impression as this aggressive, scary figure
in society, and you have to be on constant alert
(41:26):
about the feminization of the black man that's somehow that
is also a weapon against us. And that dangerous sort
of trifecta of alertness then makes it so that you
never have even a second to just be like, oh,
this is me independent of a lot of the things
that are existing around me. I can just be myself.
(41:50):
You don't get that moment. But and within all that,
because I think the pushback on that is like we
can talk all this in theory, but like, are you
safe to let that go down?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Not?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, not not in all scenarios. I think like you
and I are pretty lucky to have the freedom to
do this type of thing. But I don't know if
that is for everyone.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah. I was watching a video the other day of this, uh,
this gay dude at a roller skating ring where he
like he'll like h slide.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I saw that he was buzzing it.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, he'd be busting it wide up and in front
of in front of dudes who just wanted to be
heterosexual man at the roller skating ring. He got so
mad and they get real mad and like confused and
they don't know what to do, and it's funny, like
it legitimately made me laugh that this person does that.
But then a bunch of the comments were sort of
(42:49):
like quickest way to get yourself killed, like nigga, you
you bugging, Like, hey, I get it, bit bit but
like you better chill the fuck out type shit, and
it's like, whoa damn, Yeah, we can't even let a
silly billy be a silly billy without it turning into
like and he might die. And and they're not they're
(43:11):
not saying it as a threat. They're saying legitimately, you
gotta relax because.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
That And that's the interesting thing about it, right, is
that it's like, so that video is kind of complicated
because he was like evading people's face and whatever. You
can't do that. But it's like the tone of those
comments are like, don't be yourself. It's too much. You're
too much. You're being too much, you know what I mean?
Even like the idea of being cool is this like
(43:40):
idea of don't show too much of anything.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, And that's that it's not me defending the person
and the silliness of it. I do think it's a
silly I don't think that, But I also don't necessarily
it's not a silly I would do because I would
fear exactly what you're talking about of like inva of
space and privacy and just the idea of standing that
close to men in general is not how I would
(44:06):
want to be busted wide open. That said, it is
crazy that it can't just be silly, Like we don't
even have the room in us to be like, well,
that's just silly, because the the threat of sexuality from
a man need requires us to fucking like flex and
(44:30):
hulk and defy everything silly inside of this.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
And that's the tragedy. I think it also speaks to
this the stakes of what it is to be a
black man. It feels so high stakes sometimes, Yeah, And
that's the burden that I feel like we're that And
that's one thing that is truly racial. And I don't
think I don't think it's like classist or I think
(44:54):
it cuts through everything through to this thing at your
core where you're like, you can be silly in certain
places and venues, but overall, the stakes to my behavior
are very high. I could. I don't feel like when
I talk to white peers and things like that, they
(45:14):
don't seem to speak to the idea that they could
lose it all as much or that they have to
be careful right as much as it feels like when
I talk just like an average black man.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
You made the point before we were recording that you
think it's beaten our ass the most.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Oh yeah, that was gonna say that too.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, definitely that like legitimately of homophobia is beating the
fuck out of black men more than any other race
and community. Bro, Like it's all the shit we can't eat.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Hot dogs, even the pause shit.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Is but like for real, bro, but like for real,
that's crazy. That's crazy because of some PERSI and it's like, okay,
ha ha, it is a joke, but then it's ultimately
it's like but living under that even.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
As a joke, is a burden that it feels heavy
to carry to me.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Bro, Sometimes I just don't feel like being in a bit,
And if I want a hot dog on a day
when I don't feel like being in a bit, then
I am in prison because I either don't get what
I want or I get what I want, and now
I'm being forced to play inside of the game that
(46:38):
I never wanted to play in the first place. I
just wanted a fucking hot dog, right.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
And to that point, it's like it's like the same
as like the cot lacking shit where it's like, fuck,
where do you go to? Because like the homophobia and
that shit, I think is instilled in men and women.
So then it becomes like if I can't pull that
guard her down in front of my partner, where it
(47:05):
just feels it just feels like it's stunting the amount
of life you're able to experience.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, no, truly. I remember when I was playing basketball,
I like putting my hands on my hips. That's that's
a good place for me, is hands on my hips.
And I realized at some point that turning your hands
backwards also actually feels pretty good with your hands on
your hips.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
And my I because I know what you're gonna say
is so funny and I'm going to laugh, So before
I laugh in your face, whatever this story is, I'm
sorry that happened to you, because that's not fairite you
because I saw lighting.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Wait no no, no, no, no no, this isn't a trauma story.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
You don't get to do that to me.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I'm saying that I discovered that that is a good
feeling privately, and there was something in me that knew
well enough that I can never be that guy. I
I it is not possible for me to be at
my most comfortable physically while I'm playing a sport that
I played as hard as I possibly could at the
(48:26):
time that I was playing it because of a fear
that somebody will call me something I'm not even you
know that afraid of in theory, but associated with me,
I think is somehow this life destroying idea, brother, and
that shit.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Is like because I seen when you said that, I
was thinking about, like when you put your your palms
on your lower.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Back, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, yeah, oh, if I'm doing it right now, if
I'm only doing it because my girl's.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Not here, like.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
It feels nice, it feels great, But how do you
feel like that repression, that constant guard is not leaked
out into other areas where it becomes like if the thing,
if you are limited in expression to only a few things,
those few things, I think there's a possibility that they
(49:28):
can become very very They could they could almost be
too much, like you can't spread it all out if
you if you people feel like they can only express
themselves fully wherever, then it's like, damn that that just
is like full on repression and that sucks, like that's
(49:50):
just it's just that's a that's a that's a tough
line to have to tell you.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I think about all the things that keep happening with
Shannon Sharp in terms of his physical appearance, and how
often that is equated to some sort of like gayness queerness.
His clothes, in particular, are always getting You're sending pictures
of him in the littlest outfits that ever could be
(50:13):
for this big, giant, hulking man. No socks, often they're
capris more often than not. It always looks insane the
outfits that he posts. And some of that is to
me that leaking out of like, Oh, this is just
a dude who wants to be able to explore different
(50:35):
options for how he should look, but he can't because
he's afraid of the possibility of that coming off as
anything other than like hyper masculine, and so instead he's like,
all I wear is suits and ath leisure wear, and
then nobody will ever suspect me of being anything but
(50:57):
a man. And it don't look good. You look odd, bro.
They don't build it for you that way. You're too big,
You're too damn big. You need some big floey Steve
Harvey pants, but you can't get there because you're too worried.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
You need his a dress.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, the problem with that is that he would look
funny in the dress.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
That's just a comedian of me. That's just a comedian
of me.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
He would look funny because he'd be so self conscious
in that dress. There's no way he wouldn't be pulling
on it and and trying to make sure his big,
hulking titty is put away. It just too much.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
What you need to do is like, that's why I
think the black men who can do it strong dress.
And he's Jamaican who did bust the Rhymes. Oh yeah, Yeah,
he was kind of an outlier man.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
There are also a lot of uh private theories about
him as well, the same nature, Yeah that he bustin
Rhymes is very vocally homophobic in a way that is
either Jamaican or a dude hiding a deep, dark secret.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Man.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
I was really excited about this conversation. I was just
gotta be kind of bummed out.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I think it's hard.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
I think it's good that we can have conversations like
this and that it can go out to some people.
I think that even within this conversation in my head,
I'm like, I think some people are here.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, I think it is so hard to number one
allow people to space to recognize themselves enough that they
can identify sexuality and identity and separate them from the
shit that we were trained to believe. But I think
even more complicated is reckzing. Even as you have made
(53:02):
some of those efforts towards undoing that bad thinking, you
ain't all the way there yet. You know what I mean?
That like I am, I am very proudly anti all
of the homophobia that I think I was in many
ways trained to believe as normal and see as okay.
And even in that, I am not fully finished cooking
(53:25):
as a true like advocate, ally in the in the
most pure sense of the word truly truly.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
I mean, at the end of the day, y'all, we
just want to put our hands in our hands. We
all just want to put our hands on It can
just start there. And only a few of us are
brave enough to actually do it. And and that's all
they can dunk.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Their name is Dennis Rodman, and they that's how I
learned it, because Dennis used to do it. I was like,
fuck Manny, I'm gonna try it, let me see. And
it was phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
It just eases the pressure.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Man, It's just nice man to put your wrists in
a different position than they're normally, so it gives you
a nice stretch there.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah, I got a big it's stretching out.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
But you're only doing that because it came See your
hands and your hips.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Oh yeah, no, I would not. I would not. I
would not lower the laptop screen for a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Well, we could talk hands on the hips all day,
but the truth is we did it. I think we
we covered everything all was said that needed to be
set on this subject. And if you have issues with
any of our deep rooted homophobia, I don't know, beat
me up. But what are you gonna do if you
(54:53):
can't tell?
Speaker 1 (54:54):
So do we?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
I don't like this.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
I don't want to be this way.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
You want to tell the people where they can find you.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
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It means he was shooting at a black guy, So
we need more war We need more warriors in the
(00:22):
war on black on black guys. He ain't kill any
white guys in that video, which is really my only issue.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, you're saying that this is Nas more spreading self
hatred than than I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm saying I don't know what the fuck happened. I'll
say I don't know what the funk outen in that video.
I'm old enough that I could finally admit it. I
didn't get it.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Nobody got it, man, and that's that's what it's so beautiful.
NAS was like, uh, put it out in it.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Listen, I'm just gonna put a T shirt on my
head say some numbers about guns. Don't get it.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Let me just say what happens to bubble the go. No, Okay, your.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Quality bears are racist. The money turney stuff, I can't.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Tell me, but I gotta be strong. But I gotta
be strong. Girl. You did me wrong when I thought
we were really down there. It is there. It is
welcome little Mama's and gentiles alike to another phenomenal episode
of My Mama Told Me.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
The podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets
of black conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And we finally worked to prove that the Dallas Shag
predates the mullet, a haircut that was introduced to the
white community by known government conspirator Billy Ray Cyrus to
add the popularity of the other one, because the government
knew that the work life balance struck between the business
(02:20):
in the front party in the back lifestyle would render
the black man too strong.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
My name was, my name is likesan German, and I'm stunned.
Come on, that had like JFK shooting level twists and
turns in it that you know what I mean, Like
you really built a narrative. There are more than one
shooter in that story, and I gotta, I gotta really
unpack this. So what you're saying is that that the
(02:47):
black Man shag, the the Dallas Uh, how did you
refer to it?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
The Dallas Shag?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
The Dallas Shag is in fact the the predecessor. It
is the original shag and the white man surp. This's
like rock and Roll demanded it become their own to
keep us from growing stronger as a people.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yes, wow, because the core of it is the work
life balance.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and that that type of balance would make us
too powerful. We would we would loose ourselves from sort
of the restraints of the white man and his order
as it were.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
They even want you working or not fuck you walk
that line?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you're just at home drinking a Heineken
that you can afford. No, we don't like that, No, no.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, no. They want you to kill yourself for that
crystal or drink that eight ball and not go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah yeah, okay, I'm here for it. I'm bought in.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
You know where that came from. Me and my girl
went to one of the more ratchet walmarts in our
area and we saw a Dallas swag and very conflicting
opinions on it. My girl was like, did you see that?
And I was like a kind of at the same time,
I was like it was amazing, and she was like,
that's gross.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But okay, let's unpack amazing for you. Because because I
tend to agree with her, I think it's a huge
mistake that any man should be deeply, deeply ashamed of.
That said, what is the amazing for you? Are you like,
physically I am attracted to that look, or you're like, no,
that's amazing that he's he's like being himself.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I appreciate when black man's it's an all natural haircut.
That's an inventive and I think that's pretty cool. I
think it's I do what I do it if my
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girl had reacted differently, yes, the issue, my issue with
the shag is that it has two components that I've
never been able to lock down in my life. That's
why I couldn't do it too.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
What are the two components.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Afro and waves? I've never really successfully completed either.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh you're saying that just to have the shag but
not but not be wavy as fuck would would be
a disservice. It wouldn't do it. Okay, Okay, I can
meet you somewhere near in the middle. Then. I do
think it needs to look it needs to look elevated,
and I think oftentimes, at least to me, it's treated
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just as like an additional piece of hair. And I
don't like when it just looks like, oh, you just said, hey,
lead that, I'm gonna keep that. Yeah, that was just me.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
My man. He was shining. It was man, it was
like a neat puff in the back. It was it
was well done.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Like I need you to be in a shirt with
like three buttons open, you know what I mean, Like
I want you to fully be bought into the character
and then I can fuck with that. But I'm saying
that like that ain't no grocery store. Look, you know
what I mean, Like you can't just be a guy
in your sweats doing that and that. That's what I'm saying.
(06:38):
I support that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, I think if you're gonna do that, you have
to get a lineup every week.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You gotta be a lineup every week. You gotta really
buy into the character. You gotta you gotta uh, you
gotta start like, uh, you gotta start calling girls miss ma'am.
You know what I mean, Like you gotta really.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Uh non ryption cardiers.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, you gotta really be a fucking dude after a while.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Which is fine. That's She also noted there were a
lot of Africans in the store didn't care for that either.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Same energy at the shed.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
No, no, no, just like but I was just I'm
just so sensitive. I realized this about myself. I'm so sensitive.
She's like, there's a lot of Africans in there, and
I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
But the problem is I did notice.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I was like, damn man, these culture wars got to end.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I'm a living contradiction. I feel like I'm mixed.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, I get you, I got you.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Get an American that might be the second one to
black and white, that might be the second most difficult one.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
WHOA you think so that like the that the that
just the challenges of connecting are that deep.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I think at times you very much will butt up
against it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, well, let me ask you this. This is maybe
a fascinating question for the African American sort of like
transition of it for for the mixed kids. We always
talk about how the mom is such a big determinant
and whether a mixed kid turns out a decent or not.
That like if white mom, black dad, you get a
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Patrick mahomes Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I've heard that. I've heard that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Every time, whereas like black mom, white dad, you get
much closer to the the sort of like ideal concoction
of mixed being.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know what I mean, sweet spot?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, you hit a sweet spot where you're like, Ah,
that motherfucker. He gets it because he had a black
lady yelling at him versus a white appeaser, you know
what I mean. Like, it's not it's a very different vibe,
I think. And so I wonder if there's any calculation
inside of the African to African American that you're speaking to.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I don't know, because I had an African mom and
a not present father. Ah, so it's like, but my
mom got here young, so I think even within her,
it's like because she got even when she was eighteen,
So I think even within her the give and take
yeah pretty big, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yes, she's also struggling to make peace with this other element,
and then you are struggling subsequently, because it's a stacking
of struggling.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And then if you want to get deep into it.
Because of the war, I didn't really know a lot
of my family like that, So I grew up. When
I was younger it was more Africans, but probably by
the time I got to elementary school, it was far
more Americans in my life than African people.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So then it's like, might as well do some stand
up comedy about it. Birth of a Nation available at
patreon dot com. Backslash David Boy is very funny.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I just picture of you after a while, just staring
in the mirror being like, what am I.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I have like a grape soda and a glass Banta
in one hand. Oh god, I smashed them both on
the mirror. I should have wrapped bro. I could have
had videos that visual. That's enough for a bet awarded.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I don't know, it depends what era you rapping, because
right now they would shoot you in the streets for
that goofy ship. But but man, we had a we
had a good run where hip hop could be like real, uh,
just like metaphorical and corny, and it was. It was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
We remember the one mic video.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, come on, that's so far pseudo deep.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That's the that's the peak of that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It was so cool and and we would laugh so
hard at it, you know what I mean. If it
came out right now, it.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Was so it felt important at the time. Why was
he in Africa?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I was like, honestly, I think he might get an
Oscar for this ship. I think Bro, I think they're
going to open up the categories. I really think, but
not just did is transforming the film industry and we
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have to all acknowledge it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Marty Scorsese, he takes some notes. You want to construct
a narrative. My man nas did in two minutes and
forty eight seconds a song that, truly, I am not
sure I know what it's about.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I don't think he knew yelling, and that's all it
takes for me. Dog he did that. I have listened
to him talk about the dying at thirty three Jesus'
math shit so many times. I don't know what he's adding.
I don't know what he's subtracting. No proof, no point
(12:54):
was proven to me in any way. And when he
said Jesus died at thirty three, that was the end
of it. You like the all the shit.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I was like, man, sixteen one of my guns was
holding seventeen. I don't even know if the math adds
up to what he says, let alone the gun math. Bro,
I don't know, gun man.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
I know I know the sixteen plus one one in
the chamber. Sure, oh okay, if that makes sense, But
what the fuck did it add up to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't know it added up to a theme dropping
his Heineken.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Like all right, man, I don't know what this is,
but fuck you're a genius.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
He did love talking about Jesus. Remember he had the
video that was another NAS video that I thought was important,
was the Hate Me Now because he was on the
cross ture. In hindsight, well, I don't know what reason.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
You know a NAS and it's not even really a
NAS video, but a video that featured nods. That that
always comes to mind for him is that uh that
Missy Elliott song the Hot Boys, Hot Boys. He was
in the video because they only did the video for
the remix, I think, and a man that his verse
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in that with all the fire fucking going off and ship,
I was like, man, this is cool. This is this brother?
Is he got it?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Man?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
That ship was so good that we forgot about q
tips verse.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Mm hmmm mmm hmm. I couldn't tell you what Keith
was talking about. I forgot he was there. That's what
we need, I think, can I say? And this is
maybe this is gonna make us sound bad. Yeah, I
think we're kind of scratching the same itch for people
(14:56):
say more. I think that we scratched that like really smart,
but is it really long? Ah? Yeah, you're saying we
are offering them the one mic video twice a week,
and they're like, they're like, man, this ship is deep.
(15:29):
And then you listen to one hundred episodes and you're like,
I don't think these I think these niggas are dumb.
I don't think they talking about nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
How many episodes do you think it takes for them
to find out we're kind of dumb?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh hmmm, I think I think, uh.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Four, we gotta sell tickets for this tour. He's gotta be.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You think they're you think they're going longer than four.
I think I just don't believe in in myself so
much that I'm like, you're gonna figure it out pretty
fast that I'm a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I think you get through ten before you find out we.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Don't read WHOA Ten's pretty good?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I think ten. But you are not in a condescending way,
very articulate. Sometimes you talk and I'm like, damn, almost rest.
We just did a podcast for some whites. I said
about ten words the whole time, and you have reasonings
for everything. All your thoughts were grouped.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I was like, yeah, look, but that is that is
admittedly my trick. That's the game that I figured out
when I was younger. Was like, oh, I gotta if
I learned to talk to people, and if I learned
to sound smart, when I do it, motherfuckers will will
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fold in ways that I could not control otherwise.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I've done.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is like, yeah, I'm gonna get real fancy. I'm gonna
learn words that I can apply at odd times. I'm
gonna make motherfuckers feel like I'm on some brilliant shit
when in fact, I'm just making this up.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's like, oh, baby, that's good because my I think
this is why we work good together. My thing that
people think that I'm smart about is I can take
something that's very complicated and simplify it down. Yeah, but
it's just because I don't get it. So it's like,
I'm like, you're throwing all these science terms at me.
(17:34):
I have to equate it to like drinking a bottle
of liquor at a party, Like that's the only way
that I can understand the science of global warming.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And you gotta shave that ice down to make a picture.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
We gotta talk flat because like in where you dove
deep into it. I went the other way because then
I'm like, if I just peak plainly and very directly,
then they'll have to think I understand what's going.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
On, right I, brother, you ain't got to use autumn
words with me. You're talking to it. You're talking to
a man who's already here. That's why I equate it
to something local to my personal in my personal past.
How about that.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I think it's gonna work. I really think we're gonna
become rich off of this. I at least not have
to go back to working at the gas station.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I sure hope. So I really do think that it's
a it's a wonderful trick that we're pulling, and I
pray that we continue to pull it off.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
And I would love to say, by the way, listeners
out there, if you have a trick to make you
seem smarter than you actually are, email us. We're always
looking to build.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
We need a strong team of liars and rascals. And
if there's if you can prove that your triggery is
that much of an asset, there might be a position
for you here at My mama told.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Me truly, truly, because let me tell you, I was
like thirty two years old before I understood what people
meant by fast talking.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Mm hm m m m m.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And that is a trick I wish I had. I
love it when people get to go in fast or
I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, I listen, some of some of the best are
our motherfuckers that can just finess the conversation quick man.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's what comedy is. That's every stand up comedian, that's
all the skill is.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And I think that's that's why when our listeners and
we're gonna go to a break in a second, but
that's why for our listeners. Who ever wonder about our
cynicism as it relates to comedy, your heroes we sometimes make.
We make light of maybe some of the choices that
our peers are making at times, and and and you wonder,
why why are they like that? Are they just two haters? Well, yes,
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that's one thing. That's that's a big part of it.
But the other part of it is we know that
we're all fucking idiots. So when you call our friends
and people we work with brilliant and you say how
they are, they are the true philosophers in the world. No,
the fuck they're not. We're idiots.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
These think it's addicted to adderall.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
They're so so dumb, and I like their comedy. I
enjoy the art form we've chosen because we all know
how stupid we are and how fundamentally insane it is.
That you even pay attention.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's the best part. People. There are smart people who
will research things. Listen to them for your life advice
or whatever. You want to hear some goofy shit that's
not quite accurate, then come over, come over and over here.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
You would do better doing TEDx not even the Ted
talks TEDx talk are certainly more likely researched and grounded
than anything we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Are the ted X tops for dumb people? Is that
what it is?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think it's like it's the less than Ted, if
that makes sense. It's like it was Ted opening it
up to like a broader spectrum of local voices and
shit where you could still be an expert quote unquote.
But it's it's not the same tier as a Ted talk.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, would you do a Ted X? I hope not to.
I I think some of our I think comedians have
done them.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think a lot of comedians have done them. But
I don't think that that anybody is like blown away
when you're like, yeah, I did a ted X, I
think I think.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I probably don't deserve in any way to be doing
a TED but certainly if I do it, I gotta
go TED all the way.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Okay, Olivia says TED conferences are run by TED, while
ted X events are organized by volunteers. Oh okay, in
that case, Denver, Colorado, I'll be doing a ted X.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Hey, no payoff top Okay, Denver, we are ted xing.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
We gotta take a break and then we'll come back
and we'll get into a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, let's let's talk againstpars me.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
All right, we'll be back. Here's what I say, and
let's bring let's bring it back on this hilarious. We
just cut out a comment that I made that was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It was one of the funniest things I've ever heard
in my life. It's like top ten for me right
now of things the funny things that somebody said. You know,
it's the scale changes every day.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's always changing.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's high. It is high on the list. That was
the Wilt Chamberlain of things you can't deny it.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
No, you just you gotta go to the fire. You
gotta go through the fire. That's where you guys didn't
hear it, But just know we're here and we're having
the important conversations so that you can take these and
you can go back to your thanksgivings in your holidays
and you can be armed to talk to your bigot
family members because two known smart men have already discussed
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these things for you, men that you think are genius
man you already know have done the work. Yeah, that's exactly.
That's it. That's why this works.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Because we work, because we work. Before the episode got
into I think an exciting discussion about a conspiracy theory
that obviously has been circling for a few weeks now,
we were prompted by some of Shannon Sharp, your your hero,
I would say, your king.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
My hero's on a tight end.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Uh. Shannon Sharp obviously has been acting a goddamn fool
all across the Internet as of late, largely connected to
his sort of like constant defense and advocacy for Caitlyn Clark.
He like is constantly sort of raging about how mistreated
and underappreciated Caitlin clark Is and a lot of black
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women in particular have been very unhappy with Shannon sort
of like making this constant effort to rage for a
white woman, all the while ignoring the hundreds black women
also in that league.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
And it's I mean, listen, you know the game better
than me. Is she underrated?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
She kind of was at a point, but not in
a way that needed what he was doing, do you
know what I mean? Where Like, she came from college
and she's nasty, just objectively, nobody argues otherwise she is very,
very good at basketball, but she also was on a
team that was shitty in the beginning and was building,
and so they were losing a lot, and she wasn't
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yet sort of in the swing the way that she's
now in the swing. So his from the beginning was like,
this is a you know, like a rookie showing like
upper tier leadership potential. We should be celebrating and going crazy. Also,
she's the most famous player in the league, so we
should follow that. And then now her shit, her expectations
(25:56):
have like grown, and so it kind of matches. Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Do you feel like Angel Reese is underrated? This is
actually not what we're talking about. I'm sorry, No, it's okay.
I I don't think Angel Reese is underrated now, but
I think that she was also underrated in the beginning.
And I think it took her literally breaking the rebound
record for people to start treating her more seriously than
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I think they would have been treating her if it
was just like a rookie in the league, who was,
you know, dominating a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Okay, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking
about him fucking on camera. Yeah. But yeah, so Shannon's
been getting in trouble. But you asked the question, and
the conspiracy we sort of got into is the question
of whether or not the the videotape, the alleged ig
live that's circulated of him fucking on that lady saying
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that's my Michelle was in fact staged, Whether or not
this whole thing was a big ruse. Yes, where do
you fall in in in this theory? Well, I will
say I thought his cardio was better. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Sounds like me.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And I've always thought of Shannon as a showman. I'll
be honest with you, I thought that show for it.
I think he put on a little show for it.
I think Shannon Shnon is very much a man who
like uh likes to to give them them them ladies
what what he thinks they believe they need.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Spread it apart like a quarter to three old joke, because.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
He gotta like put on these you know what I mean. Like,
I think he does that every single time, even if
he's not in the mood for spreading apart.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
And oh it wasn't. Oh yeah, me too. I think
here's the thing about going live. At some point, it's
because you touched that button. It would have gone live
from when you touch that button, your phone wouldn't be
across the room when you were sucking it, and it
just starts going live. Yeah, that's why I don't believe it.
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I've only gone onto other people's lives. I've never like
gone live myself because it's embarrassing. Well yeah, i'd feel
a certain type of low that I don't know that
I can undo just sitting there doing that weight thing
that people be doing. Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Nick?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Hey? Every time I every time I accidentally click on
somebody's live and it says you can request to join
this person's life. I'm like, I would rather kill myself
and it's like I'm doing my friends.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, surely that that fucking weight is It is so
brutal for me that I could not even imagine getting
to enough people that I would feel satisfied with with
starting to talk. Yes, yeah, no, it's my worst nightmare.
(29:23):
It seems terrible, just waiting for a few more people
to hop in, then we're gonna get started. Like whoa man.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's a tough sentence. Whoa tough sentence. But that's a
tough sect. But when they call out, looks like we
got about people on here.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And this is because I'm sensitive. My ego can't take that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, no it's not. Look man, if that is part
of the game, you do the game that this is
not us telling you not to survive. However you feel
better suit you to survive. But truly, the idea of
personally doing that is my one of my greatest nightmares.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
There's a reason I don't have a lot of Instagram followers.
It's because I don't know. I'm not willing to do
the things. Yeah, well that's that's.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
My problem, buddy, you and me both. But yes, the
live is number one not a thing that ends up
across the room, and number two is not something that
is easy to do. It's like actually like multiple steps
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before you can go live. It's not just like, oh
my butt tapped a button and suddenly we're live type shit.
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I understand accidentally sending like a dirty picture because you're
in the frenzy of text messaging. Who hasn't who amongst
us right but to go live on accident and for
the phone to not be anywhere near your hand. But
it wasn't like he accidentally went live and then like
set the phone down and started fucking right right, So, like,
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I think it has to be shitedstaged.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Now, some people have been claiming that there's some sort
of scam, like people are hacking into these phones and
making them go live.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
But how they known when he was fucking.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's my issue is that it's it's a daily time,
right yeah, And it's not like, oh, well, we do
this all the time with him and so like we
we just so happened to this time get him fucking
it's the only time it's ever happened, and he happens
to be fucking across the room on his phone. That
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feels a little convenient personally.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, And uh, I think in all this is to
what we were talking about before, is that it feels
like people were, if I'm madam, claiming for him to
be whatever the term you would like to call it, queer,
whatever you want to use. And it feels like this
was to like sort of dispel those rumors. Yeah, which
(32:13):
is sad.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I think what we were saying, that's the conspiracy is
that is that he is not pretending to be having
sex with this woman for no reason. He's pretending to
have sex with this woman and saying that's my Michelle
repeatedly naming her as a sort of red herring and
illusion for what he actually is, which is a gay
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man who has gay sex.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
And I don't think that's true either. But I do
think that like this sexual pocket watching has really got
us all mixed up in a way that seems to
be doing a lot more harm than I because I
think it's cool if Shanna sharp folks, any you know
what I mean. Listen, he's an old, buff, rich guy
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who never committed to a family. He should be fucking
everything that isn't tied down.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah, No, he's why you do that.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
That's why you get buff and old and don't have
a family.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
He has no responsibilities to anyone but himself. He should,
he should fuck whoever he wants.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
He should be going crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
It would make perfect sense. No one would, no one should.
And this is a problem. No one should question it
even for a second. But he and this is what
we talked about, represents this such massive important figure for
sort of heterosexual black men that the very idea of
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Shannon Sharp being queer is like a prison for us.
It's truly is like destroying us just because it's like
it's its own form of bonding.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think, Like I think that's its own trap, right,
Like if that's a part of yourself that you're repressing
and you can't be free to explore that, which is
a pretty innate need or whatever, Like, how can you
ever to be free?
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right? How can you ever feel like you're yourself? Yeah?
This is uh, this is it is the most one
of the more animal parts of us, you know what
I mean? Like, it's the the most animal shit that
we can't like even uncooked slightly. Sex is so fundamental
in who we are, uh, And we can't control it
(34:42):
and can't stop it. The urge, it will always exist
in us. And the idea that you're repressing even a
portion of that, it is so sad and it seems.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
To have a lot of consequences. I think we've seen
time and time again, right, Yeah, like repressing that part
of yourself and that's what's sad, is like I don't know, man,
we just like And now I feel corny because I
don't do anything. I'm actually pretty vanilla. I'm not even
as exciting as rappers, which does that hurt? Yeah a
(35:17):
little bit, because we're all living under this crazy hyper
masculine thing, masculinity thing where it's like you don't want
a good, pushy, full d every day.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, I feel the same way.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, that's crazy. I never wanted to get late as
much as rappers. It's like, honestly, it takes more time
than I'm willing to give to it.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, I definitely like it a lot, a lot, a lot,
but it isn't Uh, it isn't all consuming for me.
There are some and motivated by and sometimes those things
help me circle back to that sweet pussy I've been
looking for. But but it ain't it isn't for me
(36:02):
as fun without also the other cool shit that I
get to do, like pussy feels empty.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, And I think that especially as a black I
don't know about I feel like being in my early
early twenties as a black man, you felt like this
is supposed to be the point of your life. And
if you find that lacking for me, it makes it
does make you feel You're like, you're like, is there
something wrong with me?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You know what I mean, Like I am I I
must not be healthy. I must not be right man.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
If I don't feel all these real man urges for
constant pussy.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, And then when you get older, the guys who
are still doing that, you're like, damn, I feel it
doesn't it's not it's not good.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
No, it looks bad after a while, where you're like, oh,
big man, I doubted myself early, but I'm saying now
I get that I'm okay, And what are you proving.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I don't think it's like you get to an agent
somewhere where you're like, I don't think it's cool that
you get pussy an.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeh, hey, man, chill out. You had your phil move
down the buffet.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Line for the love of God, where is your son?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
There's only so many slices of honey baked ham that
that man is going to cut off for you, and
after a while you gotta move off the buffet line.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I mean it speaks to like, but I mean like
people talk about it, right, did you read We Real Cool?
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, she talks about it a lot, which was the
first time that looks about it, which is the first
time I'd ever heard anybody talk about it specifically with
the black man, And like, what you're looking for is intimacy,
But you go through sex and you'll always find yourself wanting,
so you won't ever because like it is, like it's
just that hyper sexualization. That shit's crushing us, man, because
(38:11):
it doesn't give you space to explore the rest of
what you could be. Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Like the biggest fucking thing that holds men back. It
truly is like number one on the call sheet. The
thing that's ruining us most is our unwillingness to fucking
just not be men all the time as we define them.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
And how do we beat that? Oh? Can't we beat that?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I don't I don't know. I don't know if it's
possible to be honest with you. It really like we
truly watched a generation of young men put on dresses
and sort of demand to be empowered and seen and
and fighting for sort of like shifts in these cultures
(39:06):
and beliefs, and like now niggas just wear colorful nails
and call each other the F word like it ain't.
It didn't, It doesn't deal with I think, yeah, you
know what I mean. It's just like you, you can
be queer and homophobic now, which is good, I guess.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I know for me personally, because it's like we're having
this conversation, but we're having this conversation because it's me
and you. For every one of these conversations, there's ten
just regular conversations with some dudes where you try to
bring some ship up like this and you are struck
down to it. I'm not even the barbershop and you're like,
(39:52):
I can't get a cut that day. Then I get killed.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Now, I don't if any of y'all thought we were
in our barbershops being brave, you are mistaken.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I'm barely talking.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Those men say vile, vile things, and I I nod
politely and watch the game out.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And I laughed, but not loud enough to hurt my soul.
Uh huh, Because like when you talk to an old guy,
he just give him.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
What he you know, what he wants. Yeah, you gotta
give him what they want. This man is in charge
of my air. I'm not about to correct him.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
When I think about all this, too, I do think
it's like I think it's also this all speaks to
this level of like aggressiveness and alertness that we're supposed
to have that does not allow you to like really
relax and search for yourself.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
That's what I think the shame is in a lot
of this.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I think the alertness exists and almost in a multitude
of ways for black men, where it's like you have
to be on constant alert of like violence and racism
against you, you have to be on constant alert about
sort of like your impression as this aggressive, scary figure
in society, and you have to be on constant alert
(41:26):
about the feminization of the black man that's somehow that
is also a weapon against us. And that dangerous sort
of trifecta of alertness then makes it so that you
never have even a second to just be like, oh,
this is me independent of a lot of the things
that are existing around me. I can just be myself.
(41:50):
You don't get that moment. But and within all that,
because I think the pushback on that is like we
can talk all this in theory, but like, are you
safe to let that go down?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Not?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, not not in all scenarios. I think like you
and I are pretty lucky to have the freedom to
do this type of thing. But I don't know if
that is for everyone.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah. I was watching a video the other day of this, uh,
this gay dude at a roller skating ring where he
like he'll like h slide.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I saw that he was buzzing it.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, he'd be busting it wide up and in front
of in front of dudes who just wanted to be
heterosexual man at the roller skating ring. He got so
mad and they get real mad and like confused and
they don't know what to do, and it's funny, like
it legitimately made me laugh that this person does that.
But then a bunch of the comments were sort of
(42:49):
like quickest way to get yourself killed, like nigga, you
you bugging, Like, hey, I get it, bit bit but
like you better chill the fuck out type shit, and
it's like, whoa damn, Yeah, we can't even let a
silly billy be a silly billy without it turning into
like and he might die. And and they're not they're
(43:11):
not saying it as a threat. They're saying legitimately, you
gotta relax because.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
That And that's the interesting thing about it, right, is
that it's like, so that video is kind of complicated
because he was like evading people's face and whatever. You
can't do that. But it's like the tone of those
comments are like, don't be yourself. It's too much. You're
too much. You're being too much, you know what I mean?
Even like the idea of being cool is this like
(43:40):
idea of don't show too much of anything.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, And that's that it's not me defending the person
and the silliness of it. I do think it's a
silly I don't think that, But I also don't necessarily
it's not a silly I would do because I would
fear exactly what you're talking about of like inva of
space and privacy and just the idea of standing that
close to men in general is not how I would
(44:06):
want to be busted wide open. That said, it is
crazy that it can't just be silly, Like we don't
even have the room in us to be like, well,
that's just silly, because the the threat of sexuality from
a man need requires us to fucking like flex and
(44:30):
hulk and defy everything silly inside of this.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
And that's the tragedy. I think it also speaks to
this the stakes of what it is to be a
black man. It feels so high stakes sometimes, Yeah, And
that's the burden that I feel like we're that And
that's one thing that is truly racial. And I don't
think I don't think it's like classist or I think
(44:54):
it cuts through everything through to this thing at your
core where you're like, you can be silly in certain
places and venues, but overall, the stakes to my behavior
are very high. I could. I don't feel like when
I talk to white peers and things like that, they
(45:14):
don't seem to speak to the idea that they could
lose it all as much or that they have to
be careful right as much as it feels like when
I talk just like an average black man.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
You made the point before we were recording that you
think it's beaten our ass the most.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Oh yeah, that was gonna say that too.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, definitely that like legitimately of homophobia is beating the
fuck out of black men more than any other race
and community. Bro, Like it's all the shit we can't eat.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Hot dogs, even the pause shit.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Is but like for real, bro, but like for real,
that's crazy. That's crazy because of some PERSI and it's like, okay,
ha ha, it is a joke, but then it's ultimately
it's like but living under that even.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
As a joke, is a burden that it feels heavy
to carry to me.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Bro, Sometimes I just don't feel like being in a bit,
And if I want a hot dog on a day
when I don't feel like being in a bit, then
I am in prison because I either don't get what
I want or I get what I want, and now
I'm being forced to play inside of the game that
(46:38):
I never wanted to play in the first place. I
just wanted a fucking hot dog, right.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
And to that point, it's like it's like the same
as like the cot lacking shit where it's like, fuck,
where do you go to? Because like the homophobia and
that shit, I think is instilled in men and women.
So then it becomes like if I can't pull that
guard her down in front of my partner, where it
(47:05):
just feels it just feels like it's stunting the amount
of life you're able to experience.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah, no, truly. I remember when I was playing basketball,
I like putting my hands on my hips. That's that's
a good place for me, is hands on my hips.
And I realized at some point that turning your hands
backwards also actually feels pretty good with your hands on
your hips.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
And my I because I know what you're gonna say
is so funny and I'm going to laugh, So before
I laugh in your face, whatever this story is, I'm
sorry that happened to you, because that's not fairite you
because I saw lighting.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Wait no no, no, no, no no, this isn't a trauma story.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
You don't get to do that to me.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I'm saying that I discovered that that is a good
feeling privately, and there was something in me that knew
well enough that I can never be that guy. I
I it is not possible for me to be at
my most comfortable physically while I'm playing a sport that
I played as hard as I possibly could at the
(48:26):
time that I was playing it because of a fear
that somebody will call me something I'm not even you
know that afraid of in theory, but associated with me,
I think is somehow this life destroying idea, brother, and
that shit.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Is like because I seen when you said that, I
was thinking about, like when you put your your palms
on your lower.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Back, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, yeah, oh, if I'm doing it right now, if
I'm only doing it because my girl's.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Not here, like.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
It feels nice, it feels great, But how do you
feel like that repression, that constant guard is not leaked
out into other areas where it becomes like if the thing,
if you are limited in expression to only a few things,
those few things, I think there's a possibility that they
(49:28):
can become very very They could they could almost be
too much, like you can't spread it all out if
you if you people feel like they can only express
themselves fully wherever, then it's like, damn that that just
is like full on repression and that sucks, like that's
(49:50):
just it's just that's a that's a that's a tough
line to have to tell you.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
I think about all the things that keep happening with
Shannon Sharp in terms of his physical appearance, and how
often that is equated to some sort of like gayness queerness.
His clothes, in particular, are always getting You're sending pictures
of him in the littlest outfits that ever could be
(50:13):
for this big, giant, hulking man. No socks, often they're
capris more often than not. It always looks insane the
outfits that he posts. And some of that is to
me that leaking out of like, Oh, this is just
a dude who wants to be able to explore different
(50:35):
options for how he should look, but he can't because
he's afraid of the possibility of that coming off as
anything other than like hyper masculine, and so instead he's like,
all I wear is suits and ath leisure wear, and
then nobody will ever suspect me of being anything but
(50:57):
a man. And it don't look good. You look odd, bro.
They don't build it for you that way. You're too big,
You're too damn big. You need some big floey Steve
Harvey pants, but you can't get there because you're too worried.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
You need his a dress.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, the problem with that is that he would look
funny in the dress.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
That's just a comedian of me. That's just a comedian
of me.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
He would look funny because he'd be so self conscious
in that dress. There's no way he wouldn't be pulling
on it and and trying to make sure his big,
hulking titty is put away. It just too much.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
What you need to do is like, that's why I
think the black men who can do it strong dress.
And he's Jamaican who did bust the Rhymes. Oh yeah, Yeah,
he was kind of an outlier man.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
There are also a lot of uh private theories about
him as well, the same nature, Yeah that he bustin
Rhymes is very vocally homophobic in a way that is
either Jamaican or a dude hiding a deep, dark secret.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Man.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
I was really excited about this conversation. I was just
gotta be kind of bummed out.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
I think it's hard.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
I think it's good that we can have conversations like
this and that it can go out to some people.
I think that even within this conversation in my head,
I'm like, I think some people are here.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yeah, I think it is so hard to number one
allow people to space to recognize themselves enough that they
can identify sexuality and identity and separate them from the
shit that we were trained to believe. But I think
even more complicated is reckzing. Even as you have made
(53:02):
some of those efforts towards undoing that bad thinking, you
ain't all the way there yet. You know what I mean?
That like I am, I am very proudly anti all
of the homophobia that I think I was in many
ways trained to believe as normal and see as okay.
And even in that, I am not fully finished cooking
(53:25):
as a true like advocate, ally in the in the
most pure sense of the word truly truly.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
I mean, at the end of the day, y'all, we
just want to put our hands in our hands. We
all just want to put our hands on It can
just start there. And only a few of us are
brave enough to actually do it. And and that's all
they can dunk.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Their name is Dennis Rodman, and they that's how I
learned it, because Dennis used to do it. I was like,
fuck Manny, I'm gonna try it, let me see. And
it was phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
It just eases the pressure.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Man, It's just nice man to put your wrists in
a different position than they're normally, so it gives you
a nice stretch there.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, yeah, I got a big it's stretching out.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
But you're only doing that because it came See your
hands and your hips.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Oh yeah, no, I would not. I would not. I
would not lower the laptop screen for a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Well, we could talk hands on the hips all day,
but the truth is we did it. I think we
we covered everything all was said that needed to be
set on this subject. And if you have issues with
any of our deep rooted homophobia, I don't know, beat
me up. But what are you gonna do if you
(54:53):
can't tell?
Speaker 1 (54:54):
So do we?
Speaker 2 (54:59):
I don't like this.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
I don't want to be this way.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
You want to tell the people where they can find you.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
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Speaker 1 (56:17):
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