June 26, 2025 • 54 mins
Hey Lil Mommas! We're back with another classic MMTM episode. Did Bill Cosby try to buy NBC? Langston and David chat with Bridget Todd (There Are No Girls On The Internet Podcast) about this conglomerate of a conspiracy. They discuss being a "Cosby" family, television raising them, and the downfall of America's deadbeat dad. Was it just white people afraid of his popularity on TV? Who knows. We don't condone Bill Cosby or Terry Crews.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Olivia is sending over the acrossic poem Coon. As Terry
Crews wrote, it is conquer our own negativity.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Joe, I hate I hate here, I hate him, I
hate that. I hate that.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Not a joke, like, how is this a real thing?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah, and imagine those big old buff fingers type in
that because.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You know, I miss somebody like a loser.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Probably wearing the dummy fake glasses to feel like Rickberry.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, he put on he put on an orange wife
beater for this.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
One, one of those mesh ones like the Jamaicans.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, he's like, baby, where's my writing wife beater? I
gotta I gotta teach these motherfuckers. What's what?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Chips in your name? A qualis are racist? The layer
flows me money and turn stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Doop doop doo doop doop do doop doop zatarans. Yep,
there it is.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My
Mama Told Me.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The podcast that dives deep into the pockets of black
conspiracy theories, and.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We finally work to prove that the stump at the
Apollo Theater is the nigga equivalent of a cursed monkey. Paul,
that's right, you rub that stump and all of your
dreams will come true. But at what cost? At what costs,
ladies and gentlemen. Neo rubbed that stump, and yes he
(01:54):
got to make the song misindependent, But in exchange, he
has a terrible kind of bald head.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Even a cool bald. It's a bald.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Looks like sha, It's weirdly shaped, and it's it's permanent hairline.
Imagine God blessing you with being a black man, and
then you can't look good bald.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He's he's a black man. He dances better than anybody.
He has it all except that goddamn cursed bald head,
and he has to wear a fedora at thirty five.
And it's sad. It's a sad story.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You said dances better than anybody. You don't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Neil is a pretty great dancer, Man't anybody I was exaggerating?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I took it. Are you a Neil guy?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I like Neo? Are you a bust baby? I'm a
busted baby. Sure you and my little sister I'm a
buzzing baby part too.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, monster, I never heard Busted Baby Part.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
One nobody has I'm not even one hundred percent sureplies
that's hurt Buzzing Baby Part one.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I hope the conspiracy is that they never made a
part one. I like that, and Applies was like, what
if we just hit them with part two? Nobody?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, now that makes us mysterious. They're gonna try to
dig through the catalogs, being like where can I find
Part one?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh man, well I'm like Ston Kerman, I'm David boy
and and we're already we're already back on our bullshit. Man,
we ain't even like we never left. Huh, busted Baby
like a part two? The busting baby?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You ever?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Is that like the thing you could ever use in cash?
Have you ever? Nobody's ever actually called someone a busted baby, right?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Not text like a text like hey what's up, busting.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Baby, Like hey, what you doing, busting baby?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Or like tell people they're like, oh, are you with
Michelle and he's like, yeah, she's my busting baby.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
That's my busted baby. That seems more natural. I think
maybe you could say it to your to your friends
and say that's my busted baby. In two thousand and eight.
I feel like you could. You could say that, and
maybe that worked, but never again.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Maybe we bring it back this summer. That's it.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Listeners, if you care, please help us bring back Busted Baby.
I think Busted Baby needs a revival. We are working
hard here at the podcast to make Busted Baby become
what it deserves to be again, and we need your help.
Call your mom, your busted baby.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Call you no no no no, no no no.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I mean this. Call your dad and say Dad. I
know we don't say I Love you to each other often,
but but I want you to know in my heart
you're my little busted baby.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Ah No, I don't think that that's I don't think
that's a I don't remember the words like completely. But
that's not like a father's day like here's here's here's
an apron for grilling my busting baby. I don't think
(05:07):
that that's a lot. I don't I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I don't like you agree to disagree, because because as
far as I'm concerned, Mark Kerrman, my father is a
busting baby.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
In my mind, it's crazy. I don't like it. Sarah Bory,
if you're listening, I would never Also, I don't think
that's the lyrics was because it was like it was
he was speeding. She's got me speeding through. I think
I think it's diarrhea. Oh, because I gotta get home
(05:39):
to busting baby.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Gotta get bust it baby. May our our guests today,
not a busted baby. Not a busting baby. Deserves better
than what we can offer.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Her better clearly than Likeston's father apparently.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, I think deserves better than my family. Deserve is
better than maybe anything that this podcast is putting together.
But frankly, she she's here and she'll have to deal
with it. She is a wonderful podcast or a wonderful host.
You know her best from her podcasts There Are No
Girls on the Internet, as well as her other project
Next Chapters podcast Beef. She's she's talented, she's lovely. Please
(06:22):
give it up for our guest, Miss bridget Tide.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Not the finding Forrester had to do it.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I was just talking about that, how that was like
an early internet meme Sean Connery screaming you're the man
now dog from that movie. It was like everywhere on
the internet love that. Yeah, sorry, this was that that introduction.
I was crying, laughing.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I'm so happy that because usually people hate it, so
this is yea. Sometimes pop will log off before it's
their turn to start talking.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They send emails mad about the things we say.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yes, that was that was a lovely intro.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Hell yeah, well you came to us with a conspiracy
theory that I dare say is not going to be
as lovely as the introduction that we could provide. I
think you came with a naughty, goddamn conspiracy theory that
I'm excited to unpack with you. You said, my mama told
me Bill Cosby tried to buy NBC.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Wait, NBC or CBS NBC, but it.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Could be either because he just that he was just
that powerful of the media figure, right. Yeah, in the
in the Cosby takedown era, that was the thing I
heard so often that they Capital T had to take
him down because they Capital T could not allow for
Cosby to own NBC. He didn't do anything wrong, They
(07:58):
just had to. They couldn't have a black man own
a big network.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Which wasn't putting because they let By it out and
have the Weather Channel.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah right, yeah, right, they let this dweeb from comics
unleash it's not a.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Take over the fucking weather And you're saying that he
can't own NBC. Come on, so so yes, let's let's
make sure that our listeners are as clear as possible.
Inside of this, this theory that Cosby was buying NBC
or was was set to buy NBC was born largely,
(08:39):
or at least the the sort of spreading of this
conspiracy was related largely to the theory that he did
not in fact rape all of those women and instead
was just a a a bold businessman who America could
not handle.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh yeah, I thought that's why they can the son.
I thought that was a conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I had not heard that that's why they killed his son.
I had heard, and I'm happy to talk about this
with you all too. I had heard that it was
it was similar to the Jordan of it all, where
it's like he had debts and and needed to pay
them off and then his son was a product of that.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Is that's a that's a conspiracy theory out there.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I believe. So I could be conflating, could be conflating
Michael Jordan's dad and the Bill Cosby son of it all,
But I'm pretty sure that it was like interpersonal money
relationships that then are said to have gone too far.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, because they were also saying, like he was, the
league was going to ask him to step down, or
that's the rumor. Anyway, the league was gonna ask because
they were investigating all his gambling. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, that, like Jordan was was already in a bad way,
and then killing his dad was just his his muscle,
you know, the muscle taking over kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
He's someone who there are so many different conspiracy theories
and stuff floating around about. I don't know much about Jordan,
and I don't know much about what his time in
the league was like.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
But he is a nice skin like, never hurt anybody,
really positive figure for the black community, A real nice dude.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
My brother got his cologne for Christmas and it smells
like ass.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The smell of that cologne. I can smell it when
I close my eyes.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Bridget let me tell you the choke hold that that
cologne had on me, uh in seventh grade, the stinky
chokehold that it had on my body. I was spraying
that ship like it. I was bathing in Michael Jordan's cologne.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It smelled like life song.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It smelled like money and y'all nigga's.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Just la right, you got it, you got it my mind.
Some bed sheets at Rock, that's what you found. It
tell the truth that one's never sold in an expensive place.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
No, absolutely not. But you know the exclusively at Cole.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, if that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It was either that or Curve. And I was like,
I'm gonna be Michael Jordan, don't do that to Curve.
Don't do that to Curve. Listen, Curved it a lot
for their black community, tough time, like, curved it a lot.
So so Bridget you hear this conspiracy, you hear the
legend of Bill Cosby's acquisition attempted acquisition of NBC. Where
(11:25):
do you where do you fall in it? Do you
believe it? Do you buy into this notion?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
What?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
What?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
What do you feel when you hear it?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I know that it's not true. I do think that
it is true that Cosby had a real deep relationship
with NBC. I briefly worked at NBC. And when I
worked at NBC, I worked from thirty Rock and when
I don't know what, I haven't been there in years,
but pre me too. This was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
when you walked into the thirty Rock offices, there's like
(11:54):
a mural of all the NBC greats, and Cosby is
was definitely overrepresented on that mural. So there's there is,
like like all good conspiracy theories, there's like a little
bit of truth to it. It is true that he
had a deep relationship with the network. I don't think
that there is real truth to the idea that he
was planning on buying it and even more bs, I
don't think that that.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Is why he was like taken down. That part ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, that that's the part that feels a little ichy, Like.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Why did they kill his son?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I don't know his son because his son died while
the show was still happening, Right, Like that was true,
that was like decades before this potential acquisition.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well when was it? Are we saying that the acquisition
was right before the allegations.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
That I think that's what is being suggested is that
it was somewhere in the window of right before all
of these women came forward saying that he was a rapist.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Ye're you're taking the the the negative as well. You're
taking the kna on this as well.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Well, if we're saying that Hannibal was the spark that
ignited the fire for this whole, this whole, because this
whole secondary takedown. I saw Hannibal do that joke like
six different times before he before it leaked. That is,
it was like he was it was It wasn't even
like the point of this. He was just doing that
joke and then all of a sudden everybody went crazy.
So I don't think that there was like you would
(13:27):
have to implicate Hannibal in this, and I don't think
he cares enough to.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Be Yeah, I mean that is the weird thing with
having been a comedian in New York City at that era,
Like Hannibal truly was doing that bit at the knitting
factory like once a month, and we were all like, damn,
that's that's hilarious. I don't know if it's true. It's
just funny, and then it got taped and suddenly it
(13:52):
became sort of like this world ending thing. I would
say to your point, Bori, there might be an argument
to say that Hannibal was the victim of If I'm
following the conspiracy, Hannibal could very well be argued to
be a victim of internet misinformation, thus leading him to
(14:13):
accuse Bill Cosby and it becoming this sort of grander
explosion misinformation.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
What side of history are you.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
On, I'm merely on this side of history that keeps
the podcast going. I truly don't.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I want to be clear, I do not believe that
Bill Cosby is innocent of anything.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Take all those glasses what you said, I think.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I think Bill Cosby did a lot of very bad
things to tens and tens of women. That said, I
think if we're playing conspiratorial games, you could make the
argument that maybe Hannibal was tricked, like all of us,
into believing a thing that isn't true, thus accusing Bill
(15:07):
Cosby and leading to his ultimate downfall.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
The defense rests Yeah, as.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Like professional funny people comedians. I've always wondered why that
particular time that Hannibal did that that bit it took off.
Do you think it was just that it was filmed
and made its way to the internet, or was it
something else, because it really took off.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Quite frankly, I don't know what what happened. I've heard
it him say more salatious things. I've heard other people
say far like, I don't really I've heard people say
way crazier shit on stage. I don't really know what happened.
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
What I think happened is that it was a really
sweet spot in sort of like Black American culture where
we were sobering to the idea of what Bill Cosby represented,
right that like this old man who keeps telling us
to change our way and behave a certain you know,
to present ourselves a certain way for white people, was
(16:05):
becoming have it. It led to a bad taste in
our mouth. And then suddenly this this comic who represents
in a lot of ways cool young black people coming up,
is now saying the naughty thing about like what we
thought was an untouchable figure, and so it just collided
into holy shit, he's he's doing it. He's saying what
(16:29):
everybody else is scared to say, and boom, Cosby loses everything.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, that was a crazy time.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I watched this documentary on CNN recently, but w come
out Bell and he makes the point that there's something
about Hannibal Burnus being a black male comedian in conversation
with another black male comedian that like something about the
dynamics of that was just like Matches and Kerosene. That
really made it explode, because certainly, these women have been
(16:57):
talking about this for decades, and people have been talking
about this for decades, but it took a male black
voice in comedy to have it hit that level where
it will be received in that way by another male
black voice in comedy. I'm probably butchering his point, but
that was the point that he made in the movie.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I mean, I think with a lot of these movements,
men and this is unfortunate, but it is the reality
is men tend to be the way that people listen, you.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Like the Me Too movement, Terry Cruz was as much
the face of that ship as anybody else in it. Know, bro,
I don't like it either.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I me too.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Why do you hate him because I don't think he's
on our team. I think that he's a charlatan and
I think he will do anything for attention, and I
think he's a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And that's the police coming to get you right now.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm ten toes down on it. I'll do my time,
come out headstrong.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You know, I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
This is talk about conspiracy theories when Gabrielle Union was
speaking up about like race shit happening on the set
of What's that terrible show?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
She was on.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
America.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
She basically was like came out and was like, this
is what happened on set. YadA, YadA, very you know.
Vocal Terry Crews was also on the show, and like
really didn't have her back, and I just feel like,
I don't know it, just it just seemed like somebody
who would not stick up for a black woman from
his workplace. Like even if I didn't see the allegations
(18:37):
that she was talking about, I wouldn't just be like,
you're on your own.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Like I was like, you also, if you got that
buff just to dance for white people? So crazy, because
you remember in Friday he was Damon and then all
of a sudden he was poplocking.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well he figured out that white people were more fast
fascinated with his buffness. Then then black people could make
it profitable, right that, Like at the end of the day,
he was like, niggas are only gonna let me do
Friday after next, But if I dance for white people,
I can be whatever I want to be. He was
(19:16):
the longest, y, Yeah, it's crazy. It's not even He
hasn't even like thought of like a bigger vision for himself.
He's just like, what I want to be is a
nigga in a shiny suit smiling at Simon cow while
he sort of tells this this magician, he's he's okay
at magic.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Also, you're addicted to porn. Grow up. People don't have
clean water in this country. Why am I talking to you?
What are you doing? Shut the fuck up?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You almost lost your family because you can't stay off
a porn hub. Fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Talked about a pornography sermon?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh yeah, oh this was This was actually before I
would argue in Bori, I'd be curious to hear where
you stand in this. This was before we knew that
Terry Crews was as awful as we now know him
to be.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
This was I need him even then before that.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, no, I wasn't rooting for him by any means,
but he wasn't a full coon yet. He was sort
of like in a different space. I would say, right
this just.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Before or after he tried to take back the word coon,
because that.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Was this was before he tried to take back the
word coon. And I think he did it with Nigga too,
if I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Not mistaken, because what was the acronym was like cool
outside and it was like what, no.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah, an acrostic poem. Olivia is reminding us, this
is what it was. But yeah, he made an acrostic
poem for coon because everybody kept being like Terry or
a coon, and he was like, yeah, but I'm also
a poet.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And I don't know. I don't know enough about either
to know how big that vent diagram truly is.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I dare say bigger than we'd like damn.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Cold tip of the Terry Crews Iceberg.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I only I just thought I just suspected that I
didn't like him and didn't trust him. I'm coming away
realizing there's so much more out there. I'm gonna get
to the bottom of this. I'm gonna I'm gonna do
my own.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Research, on your own research, because there's a lot there.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There's no bottom, there's just an empty pit.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Oh conquer our own negativity.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh okay, so so so Terry Crews aside, you Bridget
don't seem to be buying in at all to the
cosby buying NBC notion, do you feel like there are
any others in your life were you Were you finding
yourself surrounded by people who would at least make this argument.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Oh my god everyone, So my I come from one
of those families. Were like, we were a Cosby family. Yeah,
we grew up with him like many of us. You know,
it's like that's the family that we were. So I
think that in my household there is still a loud,
large contingent of people who believe and repeat this conspiracy theory,
(22:14):
not to imagine the fact that whenever you talk about
Cosby on Twitter or on social media, it inevitably will
come up like it is like probably the thing.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
It's almost like a meme at this point.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
That's how often people bring it up when they're defending
Cosby because they didn't do nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's like some guy with the avatar that's like a
Mortal Kombat character.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yep, just waiting in the wings, just like.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
A sub zero with like, you know, we tried to
buy CP.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes, Bory, was this something that you were you a
Cosby family? Did y'all grow up watching the case?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I and not in a sad way, but grew up
mostly alone me and TV was my best friend. So
I watched a shit on a Cosby show so much
so through all the different intros and and so.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
How did how did his takedown hit you? Was that
an emotional journey for you or you like, nah, whatever, don't.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I'm used to Dad's not being ship. So I took it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
America's dad. Of course he's a dead beat.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, it's like the way that they say, you see
God is your own father, the same way with Bill Cotsby.
But like it didn't like hurt my face. It was sad.
I mean, like it's sad. I'm saddened that we couldn't
have like an icon forever. But like noah, I I
not enough to like not believe. I was pretty too
(23:38):
much smoke to not be fired. In my opinion. It's
just like how many people, Yeah he probably did that ship?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah No, once it started hitting the fifties, it was like, I.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Mean, yeah, five really, like because you gotta you gotta
like scale it down to your real life, like if
you knew a guy no matter, like you knew a
guy who saved your life or some but five people
said he raped me, like rapist. Yeah, I mean so
it's like, yeah, man, no, it's not that complicated.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's a it is a weird thing to sit around
people who and I have people in my life still
who will advocate for like the injustices that transpired and
Bill Cosby going to jail. Whatever. Bro, Bro, we're talking
about sixty plus women, Like, I don't know what what
(24:33):
what do you want?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Who's ever had sixty? Is so many? Who's ever ever
had sixties? Whoever had that? Yeah, this would be unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, he's putting up legendary numbers period. It's it's surely
he is the goat, you know what I mean, like
is doing goat ship. It's not as far as rapist.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Numbers, right, Like, like the term great is not moral,
it's just.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Like, no, it's it's objective in this sense.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I have no feelings about great. It just is it's
technically true.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
What's funny is like kind of like what you were
saying about Michael Jordan. What I learned from watching that
documentary is that not only is it rapes and sexual
assaults and all of that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But also he just seems like kind of a shitty guy.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Like they also go back through like interpersonal interactions that
did not involve like sexual assaults where it's just like, yeah,
he just kind of comes off like a dick. They
make the point that he kind of got a bullshit
PhD from Temple in order to have the moral high ground,
but like, I basically just bought that PhD so that
he could be like, well, I'm doctor Cosby, and I
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think this you have like intellectual high.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Ground over people that probably knew better.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Than him for sure, a pseudo intellectual.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Oh I hate that's like my rapes a side that's
one of the most annoying.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, it's not even a it's not even a uh
he bought it. I think it truly is just an
honorary degree that he then was like, yeah, I'm gonna
let this define me. And it's like, bro, every celebrity
we know has an honorary degree from some fucking institution.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Didn't you go to Temple on a track scholarship like
you were a job?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah you were. You were like a football track dude,
and then you're suddenly being like I'm doctor Cosby.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Fuck off. Whenever I think about Bill Cosby, I had
a friend. I have a friend who's an Indian immigrant
who came here and he was like the way he explained,
the Commency show is so funny. He was like, yeah,
I never liked that show. He was like, all that
guy did was like hate on his kids, eat sandwiches,
and try to bang his wife at weird times.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Was whoa and have like pregnant women because he was
an obgy having women come down to his basement.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Office not big in the medical field.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Very weird.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
You're going to very weird. If you're going to the
basement to get medical procedures, it's most likely for hast shots, yeah,
not for someone to consult about delivering your baby.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And he and he talked down to those pregnant women
in a way that when we look back on it,
it's like, oh, he wasn't even being cool as the
obg y n you know what I mean. He wasn't
He wasn't being chill.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
He strikes me as a type of doctor who would
like have a sucker in his mouth, like you know
what I mean, yeah, anation.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, he starts the conversation like so what's up, and
you're like.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Bro, no, no, no, no no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Olivia sent this over. I think this is a good
piece of information to send us into break before we
get to this research. But she said he received seventy
two honorary degrees, almost as many as women. He's raped. Uh,
seventy two honorary degrees in recognition of his career in
acting in comedy. Sixty two of these have since been revoked.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Who are the ten? Who are the other ten? Divide
was like, now, dog, you got it, we still.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Need itt Tech was like, fuck up, he's still a
doctor to us.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Also, Yo, we got to relax on this entertainment worship.
No one deserves a degree for being good at acting.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's crazy or comedy, and I do both mediocre. Nobody
deserves No, there's no part of this job that deserves
a college degree.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's insane, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Don't do that. Just just say you like me and
and maybe watched whatever program I had more I don't know,
but like, you're you're losing your fucking mind if you're
gonna treat this like it's something worth awarding.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, it's anyways, he rapes, all.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Right, he right, And we're gonna take a break, and
we're gonna we're gonna count and figure out which which
institutions are still loyal cosby as we're gonna take a break.
We'll be back with more, Bridget hot and more.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
My mama told me you're ugly, You're disgusting. I'm gonna
kill you. Give me two hundred dollars, you know what,
making four hundred, We are back disgusting. Whether or not
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Bill Cosby was on board to purchase NBC? Correct not CBS?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, NBC? Did you hear CBS?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I thought I just thought he was a CBS guy.
I believe most of his albums were on CBS.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
His his TV chew was NBC, though.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Oh was it? Yeah? And just he seems like a
guy who would be friends with Sumner Redstone.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know why, Oh, I will say, and this
this is maybe a good sec way into the research
because Bridget, you, if I'm understanding correctly, you were saying
you don't even believe that he was in line to
purchase NBC.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Absolutely not my understanding.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And I'm really curious to get to hear the research
that you put together. But my understanding is that it
was like casually floated in one interview, like a Newsweek interview,
in one sentence in like nineteen eighty or something like that,
was never returned to you in any kind of substantive
or meaningful way, and like still just that one sentence
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has become this thing that people have built up so
much lower around. That's my understanding, but I'm really curious
to hear what you found.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Well, sister, I hate to burst your goddamn bubblo. But
as it turns out, William Cosby did, in fact try
to buy INBC. In fact, in fact, in two and
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twenty fifteen, there was a Vanity Fair article where journalists
speak extremely glowingly about Bill Cosby. It shows you how
crazy time is that twenty fifteen they are still referring
to him as America's dead he's everybody's favorite comedian, but
they are specifically talking about his endeavor to acquire NBC
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and restore the brand.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
You're fucking lying, shocked.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, also restore the brand. They were killing it.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Not according to Bill Cosby, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
On his Doctor Cosby stick like according to me, esteemed
doctor Cosby, those we are going wrong NBC chairman.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
No, he was not happy with where the brand was
and was ready to buy NBC. And one of the
main takeaways that they sort of point to is that
it wasn't just Bill Cosby right, like this wasn't Bill
Cosby by himself collecting all of his money and trying
to make this happen?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Was it like the access of evil? Let me guess
who else it was?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, go ahead, I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Bill, Bill Cosby, Terry Crews Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
The dude from the Shy who fell out of Grace.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Oh yeah yeah. And then lastly, you gotta throw a
wild card in there, Russell Simmons.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh, Charles Barkley, WHOA? I like this?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's the crew I think I I unfortunately cannot cannot
offer you any of those other names on this list,
although they might have been silent investors. But one of
the people, the main person that he had sort of
partnered with, is this dude, Robert J. Westler, right, who
is actually one of the co founders of CNN and
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had just shifted over as the head David of CBS Sports.
He was the head of CBS Sports and then teamed
up with Cosby after leaving that job to basically work
with one of the major banks. I can't remember which
one because who the fuck cares one of the big ones,
but they basically put together four billion dollars as an
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offer with AB to buy NBC from.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Who would they have been buying it from at that.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Point, mister NBC. Whoever the head of Andy Lack at
that point it might have been I.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Former chairman of NBC.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I don't I don't know if he was during that
during that era, but that's what the last notable one was.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I think it sounds correct to me that I don't
remember specifically from the article some of the names I
skim over because I'm like, I don't give a fuck,
But the point being, yeah, he was. He was set
to try to buy NBC. Now here's where it gets
extra fascinating is that what it gets pitched to us,
right as when when we find out that this is
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meant to happen, or rather that this is the justification
for why they took him down, is that he was
just too pro black. He just loved black people too much.
He wanted to save the black man from the injustices
of the white man running NBC. But the reality is
his partner in this is a rich white benefactor and
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he's teaming up with like fucking JP Morgan to buy
the ship. So this ain't a black would all.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Look, I'm a dog. He's black as conveyed.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That is our manifesto. That is the words to our
matching tattoos.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
We got stamped a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But now, oh, this wasn't some black endeavor. This wasn't
about like this salvation of the black community. This was
surely just Bill Cosby being like, hey, all my shit's
over at NBC. I'll buy NBC and and make more
money that way.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
And I have to say that the part of the
conspiracy theory that Cosby was going to make all the
programming so pro black. He was too pro black. They
had to take him down. If there's one thing that
Cosby hates more than consent, it's black people. He spent
career scolding black people.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
This man was not pro black. But that's not the
way that he got down. Like he loved scolding black people.
He wasn't too pro black.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
What about cousin Pam. He loved her. You did love Pam.
She was my favorite.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Cousin Pam was your favorite person in the entire Cosby show.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I loved Cousin Pam. And I loved theo when he
worked at the after school program after he figured out
his dyslex Yeah, yeah, And what's his name from CB
four her lance and I like that. I like the cut.
I also liked three J on The Cosby Show. You know,
I had to think for wayward children, I got you.
Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Well it's also worth noting and and you're speaking to
his intentions and this other guy's intentions inside of this.
One of the direct quotes from the article that they
say about the Cosby Wustler management group that was plotting
this purchase is that they had a specific strategic plan
designed to dramatically enhance profitability right away, re establish affiliate relations,
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and put the network back in the hands of TV professionals. Literally,
not a single mention of niggas once and now they.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Were going to reboot Friends or some shit.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Can you imagine like if this had gone through and
he bought NBC, what a Cosby owned NBC would be
like in the Trump years, Like presidential debates, Like having
Bill Cosby at the helm of all of these wacky,
weird dynamics within media and journalism, Bill Cosby helming one
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of the five major news channels.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Like I can't even wrap my head around.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
What you would have moderated the debates? Oh you know,
he would have debates.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Stupid fucking sweater, yeah, cigar, oh blind and ship Now
you say it is.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like fuck you man, let them Let them be real politicians.
Don't muddy this up with like colloquial.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Brought to you by.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
The How could a woman is like, alright, man, just
stop bro. The other piece of this that I think
is really important is that there was one other quote
from the Vanity Fair that spoke specifically to Cosby's intentions
inside of this right then they said, or his dry
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And they say, and I imagine this has a pr
sort of quality to it, but they can't even sort
of pr it enough to not make him into a
sinister fuck. But they said Cosby was driven by three
specific sins as it relates to NBC, he said, television's
one dimensional stereotyping of African Americans, the pervasiveness of violence
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as entertainment in TV programming, And NBC's cancelation of his
Here and Now sitcom.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
That gets like a whole bullet point being salty. They
I don't even remember that sitcom.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, ah, his post Cosby work was Cosby.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
So the Cosby show, it, Cosby had its moments.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Let's not forget the show staling Cosby. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Dougie doug shot.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We gotta get him on.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Oh man, let me know if you ever do, because
I be listening to the fuck out of that episode.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yo, we missed. Hi. Where's he? Yeah, I don't know
what happened.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
He was in that Uh, he was in that documentary.
He's down to he's down to talk some shit. I
think he's got nothing to lose at this boy. He like, look, man,
my eye is weird. I made all the money. I'm
gonna make what's up? But no, I yeah. It seems
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to be very driven by sort of a personal vendetta
that that they did not like the show that he
made that no one liked.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I mean, I'm pretty up on my Cosby. I've never
even heard of here now.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, I didn't even know there was a post like
the Cosby Show and then Cosby. I didn't know there
was anything after that.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yep, Here and Now. And he was pissed about it.
So he was gonna buy. He was going to spend
four billion dollars. And what's even crazier, and this is
the part that that really becomes fascinating in all of this,
is that four billion dollars he was willing to spend
on the whole thing. They estimated the company's worth at
the time to be two point five billion dollars, so
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he was he was already offering one point five billion
more than the company's like total worth. Right, But even
with that, even with that, his offer, as it was
perceived by sort of like the elite, the people who
were in charge, the ones who would potentially be selling
the product, was considered like a joke. They did not
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take him seriously inside of any of this, that they
were considering him, even with all of these banks, even
with this big white man attached to him to be
a unseerious person and not a real player in the
NBC purchase.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Game, I don't give a fuck. Who'll say, what blood.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Oh crap, Uh, that's hilarious. Well why not?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
But why not with that's a lot over high asking price. Well,
here's here's what I think. And and I'm curious to
hear where you guys fall in this is that? And again,
I am not defending Bill Cosby. I do think that
he's a piece of shit. All of those things are true,
But I do think it is very telling in terms
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of the way that white people will continue to control
their spaces. That even Bill Cosby is too much of
an existential threat to their very existence if we allow
him to take over such a big piece of the pie.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Like, I can't let niggas be owners of one of
the four fucking broadcast channels. That's not okay.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I do agree with you in that. I also, I
don't have any glasses to take off, But I also
think Bill Cosby's a piece of shit. No, I do
agree with you in that that. I don't know any
section of the media landscape that's not big that is
owned by black people. Yeah, right, I mean we joke
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about it, but Byron Allen got the Weather Channel. I
think he's talking about buying b ET now, right. But
it's like, on a on a major scale, what do
we have TV one? Like, I don't. I don't really
know a lot of major media media anything that's owned
by it owned by black.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, even the studios like Shonda Land and you know,
Tyler Perry's studios, like they there is a quality inside
of those that still has to partner with a big
white whatever to to sort of hold their value, right,
Shondaaland only is valuable so long as she's partnered with
ABC and then Netflix. She ain't just cool off of
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being Shondaaland on her own.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And then Tyler Perry is a universal back universal backing,
is that right?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
It used to be Lionsgate. I don't know what it
is anymore. He I mean, he certainly owned like a
massive fucking studio and like it's I think the biggest
one in the country.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
It's a lot of space to not pay people what
they need to be paid.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Right, But that's and that's a different conversation.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Or hire a good wig master because his wigs are always.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Very right thick and they are ill placed.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's what they used to say about me.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Oh David boy, the thick ill place.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
It the way we like him. Laugh. Yeah right, Uh no,
I I think I agree with you on that. Is
like to that to that point because if not him,
who right for him to for him to be able
to be the front facing, the front, the face of
a network. If if if white America is not going
to accept Bill Cosby, who It's clearly not a monetary issue,
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right No, Because he said asking was two point five,
he came in four.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
So it wasn't so much asking, And I think that
was part of evaluation. Their like argument inside of this
thing is that, like the evaluation from all the experts
was like, it's worth two point five, and then he
showed up with four. And then all the people in
charge were like, we think it's worth six point eight
or some shit. And it's like, yeah, but fuck you, no,
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it's not you know what I mean, Like, he wasn't
being crazy with the number he showed up with.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Well, it sounds like somebody should have conquered his own negativity.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
It sounds like you should have found a little more
money in them bootstraps he was pulling off.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, you pull up those pants a little higher, some
money will fall out. How about that?
Speaker 3 (44:39):
It must have chopped his ass.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
But they did not see him as a serious buyer,
like it must have he like poor Camille, she must
have never heard the end.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Of this.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Sounds that came out of him before that.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I bet, I bet, I bet he went on a
quaylude spree after I bet everybody was getting dosed.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I'll show you who's not a serious buyer.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, guess who bought up all the quayludes left in
Montana William fucking Cosby doctor William. Yeah, No, they didn't
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take him seriously, which I do think at its core,
it does feel very illuminating in terms of like all
these people were like, you think jay Z's in the illuminati,
that nigga ain't in ship.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
You have just so liquor to get rich.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, they're not letting us do the thing.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
People gotta get it, like over right, you have to
engage advice in some way?
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, yeah, did he sell to rock jay Z? What's
his shit?
Speaker 6 (46:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
It used to be Christallin. Ain't that no more?
Speaker 2 (46:09):
He bought a distributor, right, it was like it die
with Armadale, But he bought a whole liquor distributor, I
think is how he did it.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
What do I think of that?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
By the way, because I I'm as a like leftist,
I'm always like, yeah, fuck billionaires, But what do we
do with the.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Fact that, like we like that jay Z is a billionaire? Right?
Like I'm always like, wonder, like what do we do
with that?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
To be black in America is complicated, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Let me be clear, I do not root for jay
Z being a billionaire. I liked the last album. I
think four four four is maybe some of his best work,
just in the growth and demonstration of like a man evolving.
So I'm not shitting on jay Z as an artist,
but I am never rooting for any of my artists
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to get like dumb money. It doesn't make them better artists,
It doesn't make them more likable for me. It just
makes them rich assholes who probably have a bunch of
like conflicts inside of the things that they're selling.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Me. Well, thank god, I'm not one of your favorite
artists because I'm trying to get pain, you know. Send
it over a year back to truck up jigger Man.
My tour is sponsored by Armadel Vodka. No I, but
here in truth, yeah, I agree with you. I don't
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the be putting the bee on. It doesn't necessarily I
don't really believe the artists should be all that rich
in general.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I think it's the worst thing for it.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, it kind of kind of takes away from it. Yeah,
but I mean that's kind of an older me. I
think that when I first heard and I think that
I'm a fan of distance traveled in a lifetime, and
I think that I mean to go from the piece
to being a billionaire is, like you said, it is great.
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The size of that. Yeah, to be able to cover
that ground in a single lifetime, past generational wealth, that's amazing,
you know what I mean. And to be a black
man and to beat the system completely set up against
you is very amazing. So in that I guess I
do find it inspiring that jay Z is a billionaire,
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but I also don't. I don't like aspire to be
a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, I think it's a I think though, let me
get it, it is a awe inspiring thing to watch
a dude who used to sell coke in the MARSI
Projects suddenly become a billionaire and able to play at
that level.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And suddenly it was like a series of like you
know what I'm saying, nothing like that's that's pretty impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
No, I don't mean suddenly in the sense that he
woke up overnight. But like, even if we're talking about
a lifespan, he's fifty, it's not like he's you know,
I mean a lot of he's not fucking Warren Buffett,
who was like one foot in the grave type shit.
He had to really do it in a short amount
of time. He didn't start like his rap career until
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he was twenty six, So in twenty five years, essentially
he went from being a coke dealer to a fucking billionaire.
That's crazy. That said, I'm not rooting for more zeros.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I mean, unless you believe him that he started with
nine hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, sure he got the time to be back.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
PAGs put it in motion. They't no reminder me back.
But that's like really the flory.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, jay Z was a real Nepo baby.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
To the conspiracy that his dreads are sache.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I also kind of believe that. I that's like, you
don't I don't think that you are that rich and
you just don't wash your hair all the time.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, no, I don't think. I don't think those are
real dreads. I don't think that a fifty year old
man wearing a bandana is being honest with us at all.
I think we saw it with Hulk Hogan and we
know it with jay Z. There is the same vibe.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
I want him to I'm glad that he likes Boskiot,
but I want him to get into other weird painters. Bro,
what if you just went through like a Salvador dolly face.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, but also like put me on man, stop telling
me about the one fucking artist that we all agree
is great. Like, tell me about some shit that I
ain't never heard of. And jay Z's just like, yo,
you heard of Picasso. It's like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
I have Yeah, that is a good point. Also, you know, yeah,
I don't know. I mean, I can't speak to art.
I have a I have a paint and fold theme
painting behind me. But it's gorgeous, thank you. I don't
like that. I don't like that. That's a good point.
So fuck Jason. I didn't as soon as it came out.
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As soon as it came out, it felt bad.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I think maybe the more important lesson here, if we
were to wrap this thing up, it seems as if
we can all agree that Bill Cosby is a bad guy.
Number one. That's the most important thing. Bill Cosby one
hundred percent did all of the crimes that he's been
accused of doing, but he also was stifled in some
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ways because of a maintenance of the powers that be
that maybe Bill Cosby's dreams were not allowed to reach
their greatest potential because of the color of his skin
and what he represented. I agree.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
I learned that I came into this thinking there is
no truth to the NBC thing. I'm walking away from
this having learned something.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
And it's dark because I kind of think I kind
of feel like maybe I thought that he didn't do
it because he's block. So you know, we all this
is a big day for everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yep, you heard it here first, folks. Bridget Todde she
believes that Bill Cosby deserves a second chains ye by INBC.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Cosby apolog you.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I get canceled.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
She said, give him one more shot at buying NBC
and make it fair this time.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
I want to see what he does with I want
to see him moderate a Biden Trump debate.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Dammit. I think we all deserve this.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I would watch that. I would watch that front Listen.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
I'm not turning it off if it comes on to you.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
It's not bad TV, right, that's great?
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Well, Bridgie, could you tell the people where they could
find you and what cool shit you have going on?
Speaker 4 (52:44):
Yes, this was a pleasure. Thank you for having me
and thank you for teaching me something about Bill Cosby.
You can find me at my podcast. There are no
girls on the Internet on iHeartRadio or my podcast with
Next Chapter Podcasts Beef. If you want to dig into
the most juicy historical rivalries from history and culture that
you have not heard of, check it out. You can
(53:04):
find me on Twitter at Bridget Marie or on Instagram
at Bridget Marie in DC.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Helly Elli, so follow her, go, go listen to her podcast.
She's great and bory. You want to tell people where
they can find.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
You, yes, I can Cool Guy Jokes eighty seven on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
And then you can follow me at Langston Krman on Instagram.
And oh and if you want to send us your
own drops, your own conspiracy theories, if you want to
defend Bill Cosby, send it to all to Mymama pod
at gmail dot com. We would love to hear from you. Okay,
we're officially done by bitch.
Speaker 6 (53:40):
I actually am one point four percent Nigerian African.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
I'm a sister.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
Okay, my cuship send your names.
Speaker 5 (53:56):
A qualityans on racist. They also the player outs and
money for you to many turkey stuffer.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
I can't help made no
Olivia is sending over the acrossic poem Coon. As Terry
Crews wrote, it is conquer our own negativity.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Joe, I hate I hate here, I hate him, I
hate that. I hate that.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Not a joke, like, how is this a real thing?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah, and imagine those big old buff fingers type in
that because.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You know, I miss somebody like a loser.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Probably wearing the dummy fake glasses to feel like Rickberry.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, he put on he put on an orange wife
beater for this.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
One, one of those mesh ones like the Jamaicans.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, he's like, baby, where's my writing wife beater? I
gotta I gotta teach these motherfuckers. What's what?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Chips in your name? A qualis are racist? The layer
flows me money and turn stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Doop doop doo doop doop do doop doop zatarans. Yep,
there it is.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
There it is.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My
Mama Told Me.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
The podcast that dives deep into the pockets of black
conspiracy theories, and.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We finally work to prove that the stump at the
Apollo Theater is the nigga equivalent of a cursed monkey. Paul,
that's right, you rub that stump and all of your
dreams will come true. But at what cost? At what costs,
ladies and gentlemen. Neo rubbed that stump, and yes he
(01:54):
got to make the song misindependent, But in exchange, he
has a terrible kind of bald head.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Even a cool bald. It's a bald.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Looks like sha, It's weirdly shaped, and it's it's permanent hairline.
Imagine God blessing you with being a black man, and
then you can't look good bald.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
He's he's a black man. He dances better than anybody.
He has it all except that goddamn cursed bald head,
and he has to wear a fedora at thirty five.
And it's sad. It's a sad story.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
You said dances better than anybody. You don't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Neil is a pretty great dancer, Man't anybody I was exaggerating?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I took it. Are you a Neil guy?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I like Neo? Are you a bust baby? I'm a
busted baby. Sure you and my little sister I'm a
buzzing baby part too.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, monster, I never heard Busted Baby Part.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
One nobody has I'm not even one hundred percent sureplies
that's hurt Buzzing Baby Part one.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I hope the conspiracy is that they never made a
part one. I like that, and Applies was like, what
if we just hit them with part two? Nobody?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, now that makes us mysterious. They're gonna try to
dig through the catalogs, being like where can I find
Part one?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Oh man, well I'm like Ston Kerman, I'm David boy
and and we're already we're already back on our bullshit. Man,
we ain't even like we never left. Huh, busted Baby
like a part two? The busting baby?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
You ever?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Is that like the thing you could ever use in cash?
Have you ever? Nobody's ever actually called someone a busted baby, right?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Not text like a text like hey what's up, busting.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Baby, Like hey, what you doing, busting baby?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Or like tell people they're like, oh, are you with
Michelle and he's like, yeah, she's my busting baby.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
That's my busted baby. That seems more natural. I think
maybe you could say it to your to your friends
and say that's my busted baby. In two thousand and eight.
I feel like you could. You could say that, and
maybe that worked, but never again.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Maybe we bring it back this summer. That's it.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Listeners, if you care, please help us bring back Busted Baby.
I think Busted Baby needs a revival. We are working
hard here at the podcast to make Busted Baby become
what it deserves to be again, and we need your help.
Call your mom, your busted baby.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Call you no no no no, no no no.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I mean this. Call your dad and say Dad. I
know we don't say I Love you to each other often,
but but I want you to know in my heart
you're my little busted baby.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Ah No, I don't think that that's I don't think
that's a I don't remember the words like completely. But
that's not like a father's day like here's here's here's
an apron for grilling my busting baby. I don't think
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that that's a lot. I don't I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I don't like you agree to disagree, because because as
far as I'm concerned, Mark Kerrman, my father is a
busting baby.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
In my mind, it's crazy. I don't like it. Sarah Bory,
if you're listening, I would never Also, I don't think
that's the lyrics was because it was like it was
he was speeding. She's got me speeding through. I think
I think it's diarrhea. Oh, because I gotta get home
(05:39):
to busting baby.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Gotta get bust it baby. May our our guests today,
not a busted baby. Not a busting baby. Deserves better
than what we can offer.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Her better clearly than Likeston's father apparently.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, I think deserves better than my family. Deserve is
better than maybe anything that this podcast is putting together.
But frankly, she she's here and she'll have to deal
with it. She is a wonderful podcast or a wonderful host.
You know her best from her podcasts There Are No
Girls on the Internet, as well as her other project
Next Chapters podcast Beef. She's she's talented, she's lovely. Please
(06:22):
give it up for our guest, Miss bridget Tide.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Not the finding Forrester had to do it.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I was just talking about that, how that was like
an early internet meme Sean Connery screaming you're the man
now dog from that movie. It was like everywhere on
the internet love that. Yeah, sorry, this was that that introduction.
I was crying, laughing.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I'm so happy that because usually people hate it, so
this is yea. Sometimes pop will log off before it's
their turn to start talking.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
They send emails mad about the things we say.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yes, that was that was a lovely intro.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Hell yeah, well you came to us with a conspiracy
theory that I dare say is not going to be
as lovely as the introduction that we could provide. I
think you came with a naughty, goddamn conspiracy theory that
I'm excited to unpack with you. You said, my mama told
me Bill Cosby tried to buy NBC.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Wait, NBC or CBS NBC, but it.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Could be either because he just that he was just
that powerful of the media figure, right. Yeah, in the
in the Cosby takedown era, that was the thing I
heard so often that they Capital T had to take
him down because they Capital T could not allow for
Cosby to own NBC. He didn't do anything wrong, They
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just had to. They couldn't have a black man own
a big network.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Which wasn't putting because they let By it out and
have the Weather Channel.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
Yeah right, yeah, right, they let this dweeb from comics
unleash it's not a.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Take over the fucking weather And you're saying that he
can't own NBC. Come on, so so yes, let's let's
make sure that our listeners are as clear as possible.
Inside of this, this theory that Cosby was buying NBC
or was was set to buy NBC was born largely,
(08:39):
or at least the the sort of spreading of this
conspiracy was related largely to the theory that he did
not in fact rape all of those women and instead
was just a a a bold businessman who America could
not handle.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh yeah, I thought that's why they can the son.
I thought that was a conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I had not heard that that's why they killed his son.
I had heard, and I'm happy to talk about this
with you all too. I had heard that it was
it was similar to the Jordan of it all, where
it's like he had debts and and needed to pay
them off and then his son was a product of that.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Is that's a that's a conspiracy theory out there.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I believe. So I could be conflating, could be conflating
Michael Jordan's dad and the Bill Cosby son of it all,
But I'm pretty sure that it was like interpersonal money
relationships that then are said to have gone too far.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, because they were also saying, like he was, the
league was going to ask him to step down, or
that's the rumor. Anyway, the league was gonna ask because
they were investigating all his gambling. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, that, like Jordan was was already in a bad way,
and then killing his dad was just his his muscle,
you know, the muscle taking over kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
He's someone who there are so many different conspiracy theories
and stuff floating around about. I don't know much about Jordan,
and I don't know much about what his time in
the league was like.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
But he is a nice skin like, never hurt anybody,
really positive figure for the black community, A real nice dude.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
My brother got his cologne for Christmas and it smells
like ass.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
The smell of that cologne. I can smell it when
I close my eyes.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Bridget let me tell you the choke hold that that
cologne had on me, uh in seventh grade, the stinky
chokehold that it had on my body. I was spraying
that ship like it. I was bathing in Michael Jordan's cologne.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It smelled like life song.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It smelled like money and y'all nigga's.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Just la right, you got it, you got it my mind.
Some bed sheets at Rock, that's what you found. It
tell the truth that one's never sold in an expensive place.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
No, absolutely not. But you know the exclusively at Cole.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, if that.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It was either that or Curve. And I was like,
I'm gonna be Michael Jordan, don't do that to Curve.
Don't do that to Curve. Listen, Curved it a lot
for their black community, tough time, like, curved it a lot.
So so Bridget you hear this conspiracy, you hear the
legend of Bill Cosby's acquisition attempted acquisition of NBC. Where
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do you where do you fall in it? Do you
believe it? Do you buy into this notion?
Speaker 5 (11:29):
What?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
What?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
What do you feel when you hear it?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I know that it's not true. I do think that
it is true that Cosby had a real deep relationship
with NBC. I briefly worked at NBC. And when I
worked at NBC, I worked from thirty Rock and when
I don't know what, I haven't been there in years,
but pre me too. This was like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
when you walked into the thirty Rock offices, there's like
(11:54):
a mural of all the NBC greats, and Cosby is
was definitely overrepresented on that mural. So there's there is,
like like all good conspiracy theories, there's like a little
bit of truth to it. It is true that he
had a deep relationship with the network. I don't think
that there is real truth to the idea that he
was planning on buying it and even more bs, I
don't think that that.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Is why he was like taken down. That part ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Yeah, that that's the part that feels a little ichy, Like.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Why did they kill his son?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I don't know his son because his son died while
the show was still happening, Right, Like that was true,
that was like decades before this potential acquisition.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well when was it? Are we saying that the acquisition
was right before the allegations.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
That I think that's what is being suggested is that
it was somewhere in the window of right before all
of these women came forward saying that he was a rapist.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
I don't believe that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Ye're you're taking the the the negative as well. You're
taking the kna on this as well.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Well, if we're saying that Hannibal was the spark that
ignited the fire for this whole, this whole, because this
whole secondary takedown. I saw Hannibal do that joke like
six different times before he before it leaked. That is,
it was like he was it was It wasn't even
like the point of this. He was just doing that
joke and then all of a sudden everybody went crazy.
So I don't think that there was like you would
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have to implicate Hannibal in this, and I don't think
he cares enough to.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Be Yeah, I mean that is the weird thing with
having been a comedian in New York City at that era,
Like Hannibal truly was doing that bit at the knitting
factory like once a month, and we were all like, damn,
that's that's hilarious. I don't know if it's true. It's
just funny, and then it got taped and suddenly it
(13:52):
became sort of like this world ending thing. I would
say to your point, Bori, there might be an argument
to say that Hannibal was the victim of If I'm
following the conspiracy, Hannibal could very well be argued to
be a victim of internet misinformation, thus leading him to
(14:13):
accuse Bill Cosby and it becoming this sort of grander
explosion misinformation.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
What side of history are you.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
On, I'm merely on this side of history that keeps
the podcast going. I truly don't.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
I want to be clear, I do not believe that
Bill Cosby is innocent of anything.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Take all those glasses what you said, I think.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I think Bill Cosby did a lot of very bad
things to tens and tens of women. That said, I
think if we're playing conspiratorial games, you could make the
argument that maybe Hannibal was tricked, like all of us,
into believing a thing that isn't true, thus accusing Bill
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Cosby and leading to his ultimate downfall.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
The defense rests Yeah, as.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Like professional funny people comedians. I've always wondered why that
particular time that Hannibal did that that bit it took off.
Do you think it was just that it was filmed
and made its way to the internet, or was it
something else, because it really took off.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Quite frankly, I don't know what what happened. I've heard
it him say more salatious things. I've heard other people
say far like, I don't really I've heard people say
way crazier shit on stage. I don't really know what happened.
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
What I think happened is that it was a really
sweet spot in sort of like Black American culture where
we were sobering to the idea of what Bill Cosby represented,
right that like this old man who keeps telling us
to change our way and behave a certain you know,
to present ourselves a certain way for white people, was
(16:05):
becoming have it. It led to a bad taste in
our mouth. And then suddenly this this comic who represents
in a lot of ways cool young black people coming up,
is now saying the naughty thing about like what we
thought was an untouchable figure, and so it just collided
into holy shit, he's he's doing it. He's saying what
(16:29):
everybody else is scared to say, and boom, Cosby loses everything.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, that was a crazy time.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I watched this documentary on CNN recently, but w come
out Bell and he makes the point that there's something
about Hannibal Burnus being a black male comedian in conversation
with another black male comedian that like something about the
dynamics of that was just like Matches and Kerosene. That
really made it explode, because certainly, these women have been
(16:57):
talking about this for decades, and people have been talking
about this for decades, but it took a male black
voice in comedy to have it hit that level where
it will be received in that way by another male
black voice in comedy. I'm probably butchering his point, but
that was the point that he made in the movie.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I mean, I think with a lot of these movements,
men and this is unfortunate, but it is the reality
is men tend to be the way that people listen, you.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Like the Me Too movement, Terry Cruz was as much
the face of that ship as anybody else in it. Know, bro,
I don't like it either.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I me too.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Why do you hate him because I don't think he's
on our team. I think that he's a charlatan and
I think he will do anything for attention, and I
think he's a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
And that's the police coming to get you right now.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm ten toes down on it. I'll do my time,
come out headstrong.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You know, I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
This is talk about conspiracy theories when Gabrielle Union was
speaking up about like race shit happening on the set
of What's that terrible show?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
She was on.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
America.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
She basically was like came out and was like, this
is what happened on set. YadA, YadA, very you know.
Vocal Terry Crews was also on the show, and like
really didn't have her back, and I just feel like,
I don't know it, just it just seemed like somebody
who would not stick up for a black woman from
his workplace. Like even if I didn't see the allegations
(18:37):
that she was talking about, I wouldn't just be like,
you're on your own.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Like I was like, you also, if you got that
buff just to dance for white people? So crazy, because
you remember in Friday he was Damon and then all
of a sudden he was poplocking.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well he figured out that white people were more fast
fascinated with his buffness. Then then black people could make
it profitable, right that, Like at the end of the day,
he was like, niggas are only gonna let me do
Friday after next, But if I dance for white people,
I can be whatever I want to be. He was
(19:16):
the longest, y, Yeah, it's crazy. It's not even He
hasn't even like thought of like a bigger vision for himself.
He's just like, what I want to be is a
nigga in a shiny suit smiling at Simon cow while
he sort of tells this this magician, he's he's okay
at magic.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Also, you're addicted to porn. Grow up. People don't have
clean water in this country. Why am I talking to you?
What are you doing? Shut the fuck up?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
You almost lost your family because you can't stay off
a porn hub. Fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Talked about a pornography sermon?
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Oh yeah, oh this was This was actually before I
would argue in Bori, I'd be curious to hear where
you stand in this. This was before we knew that
Terry Crews was as awful as we now know him
to be.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
This was I need him even then before that.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, no, I wasn't rooting for him by any means,
but he wasn't a full coon yet. He was sort
of like in a different space. I would say, right
this just.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Before or after he tried to take back the word coon,
because that.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Was this was before he tried to take back the
word coon. And I think he did it with Nigga too,
if I'm.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Not mistaken, because what was the acronym was like cool
outside and it was like what, no.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, yeah, an acrostic poem. Olivia is reminding us, this
is what it was. But yeah, he made an acrostic
poem for coon because everybody kept being like Terry or
a coon, and he was like, yeah, but I'm also
a poet.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And I don't know. I don't know enough about either
to know how big that vent diagram truly is.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I dare say bigger than we'd like damn.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Cold tip of the Terry Crews Iceberg.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I only I just thought I just suspected that I
didn't like him and didn't trust him. I'm coming away
realizing there's so much more out there. I'm gonna get
to the bottom of this. I'm gonna I'm gonna do
my own.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Research, on your own research, because there's a lot there.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There's no bottom, there's just an empty pit.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Oh conquer our own negativity.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh okay, so so so Terry Crews aside, you Bridget
don't seem to be buying in at all to the
cosby buying NBC notion, do you feel like there are
any others in your life were you Were you finding
yourself surrounded by people who would at least make this argument.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Oh my god everyone, So my I come from one
of those families. Were like, we were a Cosby family. Yeah,
we grew up with him like many of us. You know,
it's like that's the family that we were. So I
think that in my household there is still a loud,
large contingent of people who believe and repeat this conspiracy theory,
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not to imagine the fact that whenever you talk about
Cosby on Twitter or on social media, it inevitably will
come up like it is like probably the thing.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
It's almost like a meme at this point.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
That's how often people bring it up when they're defending
Cosby because they didn't do nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
It's like some guy with the avatar that's like a
Mortal Kombat character.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yep, just waiting in the wings, just like.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
A sub zero with like, you know, we tried to
buy CP.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yes, Bory, was this something that you were you a
Cosby family? Did y'all grow up watching the case?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
I and not in a sad way, but grew up
mostly alone me and TV was my best friend. So
I watched a shit on a Cosby show so much
so through all the different intros and and so.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
How did how did his takedown hit you? Was that
an emotional journey for you or you like, nah, whatever, don't.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I'm used to Dad's not being ship. So I took it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
America's dad. Of course he's a dead beat.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, it's like the way that they say, you see
God is your own father, the same way with Bill Cotsby.
But like it didn't like hurt my face. It was sad.
I mean, like it's sad. I'm saddened that we couldn't
have like an icon forever. But like noah, I I
not enough to like not believe. I was pretty too
(23:38):
much smoke to not be fired. In my opinion. It's
just like how many people, Yeah he probably did that ship?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah No, once it started hitting the fifties, it was like, I.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Mean, yeah, five really, like because you gotta you gotta
like scale it down to your real life, like if
you knew a guy no matter, like you knew a
guy who saved your life or some but five people
said he raped me, like rapist. Yeah, I mean so
it's like, yeah, man, no, it's not that complicated.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's a it is a weird thing to sit around
people who and I have people in my life still
who will advocate for like the injustices that transpired and
Bill Cosby going to jail. Whatever. Bro, Bro, we're talking
about sixty plus women, Like, I don't know what what
(24:33):
what do you want?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Who's ever had sixty? Is so many? Who's ever ever
had sixties? Whoever had that? Yeah, this would be unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, he's putting up legendary numbers period. It's it's surely
he is the goat, you know what I mean, like
is doing goat ship. It's not as far as rapist.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Numbers, right, Like, like the term great is not moral,
it's just.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Like, no, it's it's objective in this sense.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I have no feelings about great. It just is it's
technically true.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
What's funny is like kind of like what you were
saying about Michael Jordan. What I learned from watching that
documentary is that not only is it rapes and sexual
assaults and all of that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
But also he just seems like kind of a shitty guy.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Like they also go back through like interpersonal interactions that
did not involve like sexual assaults where it's just like, yeah,
he just kind of comes off like a dick. They
make the point that he kind of got a bullshit
PhD from Temple in order to have the moral high ground,
but like, I basically just bought that PhD so that
he could be like, well, I'm doctor Cosby, and I
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think this you have like intellectual high.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Ground over people that probably knew better.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Than him for sure, a pseudo intellectual.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Oh I hate that's like my rapes a side that's
one of the most annoying.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, it's not even a it's not even a uh
he bought it. I think it truly is just an
honorary degree that he then was like, yeah, I'm gonna
let this define me. And it's like, bro, every celebrity
we know has an honorary degree from some fucking institution.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Didn't you go to Temple on a track scholarship like
you were a job?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah you were. You were like a football track dude,
and then you're suddenly being like I'm doctor Cosby.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Fuck off. Whenever I think about Bill Cosby, I had
a friend. I have a friend who's an Indian immigrant
who came here and he was like the way he explained,
the Commency show is so funny. He was like, yeah,
I never liked that show. He was like, all that
guy did was like hate on his kids, eat sandwiches,
and try to bang his wife at weird times.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Was whoa and have like pregnant women because he was
an obgy having women come down to his basement.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Office not big in the medical field.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Very weird.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
You're going to very weird. If you're going to the
basement to get medical procedures, it's most likely for hast shots, yeah,
not for someone to consult about delivering your baby.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And he and he talked down to those pregnant women
in a way that when we look back on it,
it's like, oh, he wasn't even being cool as the
obg y n you know what I mean. He wasn't
He wasn't being chill.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
He strikes me as a type of doctor who would
like have a sucker in his mouth, like you know
what I mean, yeah, anation.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, he starts the conversation like so what's up, and
you're like.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Bro, no, no, no, no no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Olivia sent this over. I think this is a good
piece of information to send us into break before we
get to this research. But she said he received seventy
two honorary degrees, almost as many as women. He's raped. Uh,
seventy two honorary degrees in recognition of his career in
acting in comedy. Sixty two of these have since been revoked.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Who are the ten? Who are the other ten? Divide
was like, now, dog, you got it, we still.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Need itt Tech was like, fuck up, he's still a
doctor to us.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Also, Yo, we got to relax on this entertainment worship.
No one deserves a degree for being good at acting.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's crazy or comedy, and I do both mediocre. Nobody
deserves No, there's no part of this job that deserves
a college degree.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's insane, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Don't do that. Just just say you like me and
and maybe watched whatever program I had more I don't know,
but like, you're you're losing your fucking mind if you're
gonna treat this like it's something worth awarding.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, it's anyways, he rapes, all.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Right, he right, And we're gonna take a break, and
we're gonna we're gonna count and figure out which which
institutions are still loyal cosby as we're gonna take a break.
We'll be back with more, Bridget hot and more.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
My mama told me you're ugly, You're disgusting. I'm gonna
kill you. Give me two hundred dollars, you know what,
making four hundred, We are back disgusting. Whether or not
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Bill Cosby was on board to purchase NBC? Correct not CBS?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, NBC? Did you hear CBS?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I thought I just thought he was a CBS guy.
I believe most of his albums were on CBS.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
His his TV chew was NBC, though.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Oh was it? Yeah? And just he seems like a
guy who would be friends with Sumner Redstone.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I don't know why, Oh, I will say, and this
this is maybe a good sec way into the research
because Bridget, you, if I'm understanding correctly, you were saying
you don't even believe that he was in line to
purchase NBC.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Absolutely not my understanding.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And I'm really curious to get to hear the research
that you put together. But my understanding is that it
was like casually floated in one interview, like a Newsweek interview,
in one sentence in like nineteen eighty or something like that,
was never returned to you in any kind of substantive
or meaningful way, and like still just that one sentence
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has become this thing that people have built up so
much lower around. That's my understanding, but I'm really curious
to hear what you found.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Well, sister, I hate to burst your goddamn bubblo. But
as it turns out, William Cosby did, in fact try
to buy INBC. In fact, in fact, in two and
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twenty fifteen, there was a Vanity Fair article where journalists
speak extremely glowingly about Bill Cosby. It shows you how
crazy time is that twenty fifteen they are still referring
to him as America's dead he's everybody's favorite comedian, but
they are specifically talking about his endeavor to acquire NBC
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and restore the brand.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
You're fucking lying, shocked.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, also restore the brand. They were killing it.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Not according to Bill Cosby, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
On his Doctor Cosby stick like according to me, esteemed
doctor Cosby, those we are going wrong NBC chairman.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
No, he was not happy with where the brand was
and was ready to buy NBC. And one of the
main takeaways that they sort of point to is that
it wasn't just Bill Cosby right, like this wasn't Bill
Cosby by himself collecting all of his money and trying
to make this happen?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Was it like the access of evil? Let me guess
who else it was?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, go ahead, I'm excited.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Bill, Bill Cosby, Terry Crews Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
The dude from the Shy who fell out of Grace.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Oh yeah yeah. And then lastly, you gotta throw a
wild card in there, Russell Simmons.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh, Charles Barkley, WHOA? I like this?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
That's the crew I think I I unfortunately cannot cannot
offer you any of those other names on this list,
although they might have been silent investors. But one of
the people, the main person that he had sort of
partnered with, is this dude, Robert J. Westler, right, who
is actually one of the co founders of CNN and
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had just shifted over as the head David of CBS Sports.
He was the head of CBS Sports and then teamed
up with Cosby after leaving that job to basically work
with one of the major banks. I can't remember which
one because who the fuck cares one of the big ones,
but they basically put together four billion dollars as an
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offer with AB to buy NBC from.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Who would they have been buying it from at that.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Point, mister NBC. Whoever the head of Andy Lack at
that point it might have been I.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Former chairman of NBC.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I don't I don't know if he was during that
during that era, but that's what the last notable one was.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I think it sounds correct to me that I don't
remember specifically from the article some of the names I
skim over because I'm like, I don't give a fuck,
But the point being, yeah, he was. He was set
to try to buy NBC. Now here's where it gets
extra fascinating is that what it gets pitched to us,
right as when when we find out that this is
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meant to happen, or rather that this is the justification
for why they took him down, is that he was
just too pro black. He just loved black people too much.
He wanted to save the black man from the injustices
of the white man running NBC. But the reality is
his partner in this is a rich white benefactor and
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he's teaming up with like fucking JP Morgan to buy
the ship. So this ain't a black would all.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Look, I'm a dog. He's black as conveyed.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That is our manifesto. That is the words to our
matching tattoos.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
We got stamped a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But now, oh, this wasn't some black endeavor. This wasn't
about like this salvation of the black community. This was
surely just Bill Cosby being like, hey, all my shit's
over at NBC. I'll buy NBC and and make more
money that way.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
And I have to say that the part of the
conspiracy theory that Cosby was going to make all the
programming so pro black. He was too pro black. They
had to take him down. If there's one thing that
Cosby hates more than consent, it's black people. He spent
career scolding black people.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
This man was not pro black. But that's not the
way that he got down. Like he loved scolding black people.
He wasn't too pro black.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
What about cousin Pam. He loved her. You did love Pam.
She was my favorite.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Cousin Pam was your favorite person in the entire Cosby show.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I loved Cousin Pam. And I loved theo when he
worked at the after school program after he figured out
his dyslex Yeah, yeah, And what's his name from CB
four her lance and I like that. I like the cut.
I also liked three J on The Cosby Show. You know,
I had to think for wayward children, I got you.
Hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Well it's also worth noting and and you're speaking to
his intentions and this other guy's intentions inside of this.
One of the direct quotes from the article that they
say about the Cosby Wustler management group that was plotting
this purchase is that they had a specific strategic plan
designed to dramatically enhance profitability right away, re establish affiliate relations,
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and put the network back in the hands of TV professionals. Literally,
not a single mention of niggas once and now they.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Were going to reboot Friends or some shit.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Can you imagine like if this had gone through and
he bought NBC, what a Cosby owned NBC would be
like in the Trump years, Like presidential debates, Like having
Bill Cosby at the helm of all of these wacky,
weird dynamics within media and journalism, Bill Cosby helming one
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of the five major news channels.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Like I can't even wrap my head around.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
What you would have moderated the debates? Oh you know,
he would have debates.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Stupid fucking sweater, yeah, cigar, oh blind and ship Now
you say it is.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Like fuck you man, let them Let them be real politicians.
Don't muddy this up with like colloquial.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Brought to you by.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
The How could a woman is like, alright, man, just
stop bro. The other piece of this that I think
is really important is that there was one other quote
from the Vanity Fair that spoke specifically to Cosby's intentions
inside of this right then they said, or his dry
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And they say, and I imagine this has a pr
sort of quality to it, but they can't even sort
of pr it enough to not make him into a
sinister fuck. But they said Cosby was driven by three
specific sins as it relates to NBC, he said, television's
one dimensional stereotyping of African Americans, the pervasiveness of violence
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as entertainment in TV programming, And NBC's cancelation of his
Here and Now sitcom.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
That gets like a whole bullet point being salty. They
I don't even remember that sitcom.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, ah, his post Cosby work was Cosby.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
So the Cosby show, it, Cosby had its moments.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Let's not forget the show staling Cosby. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Dougie doug shot.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
We gotta get him on.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Oh man, let me know if you ever do, because
I be listening to the fuck out of that episode.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yo, we missed. Hi. Where's he? Yeah, I don't know
what happened.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
He was in that Uh, he was in that documentary.
He's down to he's down to talk some shit. I
think he's got nothing to lose at this boy. He like, look, man,
my eye is weird. I made all the money. I'm
gonna make what's up? But no, I yeah. It seems
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to be very driven by sort of a personal vendetta
that that they did not like the show that he
made that no one liked.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
I mean, I'm pretty up on my Cosby. I've never
even heard of here now.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Yeah, I didn't even know there was a post like
the Cosby Show and then Cosby. I didn't know there
was anything after that.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yep, Here and Now. And he was pissed about it.
So he was gonna buy. He was going to spend
four billion dollars. And what's even crazier, and this is
the part that that really becomes fascinating in all of this,
is that four billion dollars he was willing to spend
on the whole thing. They estimated the company's worth at
the time to be two point five billion dollars, so
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he was he was already offering one point five billion
more than the company's like total worth. Right, But even
with that, even with that, his offer, as it was
perceived by sort of like the elite, the people who
were in charge, the ones who would potentially be selling
the product, was considered like a joke. They did not
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take him seriously inside of any of this, that they
were considering him, even with all of these banks, even
with this big white man attached to him to be
a unseerious person and not a real player in the
NBC purchase.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Game, I don't give a fuck. Who'll say, what blood.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Oh crap, Uh, that's hilarious. Well why not?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
But why not with that's a lot over high asking price. Well,
here's here's what I think. And and I'm curious to
hear where you guys fall in this is that? And again,
I am not defending Bill Cosby. I do think that
he's a piece of shit. All of those things are true,
But I do think it is very telling in terms
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of the way that white people will continue to control
their spaces. That even Bill Cosby is too much of
an existential threat to their very existence if we allow
him to take over such a big piece of the pie.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Like, I can't let niggas be owners of one of
the four fucking broadcast channels. That's not okay.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I do agree with you in that. I also, I
don't have any glasses to take off, But I also
think Bill Cosby's a piece of shit. No, I do
agree with you in that that. I don't know any
section of the media landscape that's not big that is
owned by black people. Yeah, right, I mean we joke
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about it, but Byron Allen got the Weather Channel. I
think he's talking about buying b ET now, right. But
it's like, on a on a major scale, what do
we have TV one? Like, I don't. I don't really
know a lot of major media media anything that's owned
by it owned by black.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, even the studios like Shonda Land and you know,
Tyler Perry's studios, like they there is a quality inside
of those that still has to partner with a big
white whatever to to sort of hold their value, right,
Shondaaland only is valuable so long as she's partnered with
ABC and then Netflix. She ain't just cool off of
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being Shondaaland on her own.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
And then Tyler Perry is a universal back universal backing,
is that right?
Speaker 1 (42:53):
It used to be Lionsgate. I don't know what it
is anymore. He I mean, he certainly owned like a
massive fucking studio and like it's I think the biggest
one in the country.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
It's a lot of space to not pay people what
they need to be paid.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Right, But that's and that's a different conversation.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Or hire a good wig master because his wigs are always.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Very right thick and they are ill placed.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's what they used to say about me.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Oh David boy, the thick ill place.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
It the way we like him. Laugh. Yeah right, Uh no,
I I think I agree with you on that. Is
like to that to that point because if not him,
who right for him to for him to be able
to be the front facing, the front, the face of
a network. If if if white America is not going
to accept Bill Cosby, who It's clearly not a monetary issue,
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right No, Because he said asking was two point five,
he came in four.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
So it wasn't so much asking, And I think that
was part of evaluation. Their like argument inside of this
thing is that, like the evaluation from all the experts
was like, it's worth two point five, and then he
showed up with four. And then all the people in
charge were like, we think it's worth six point eight
or some shit. And it's like, yeah, but fuck you, no,
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it's not you know what I mean, Like, he wasn't
being crazy with the number he showed up with.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Well, it sounds like somebody should have conquered his own negativity.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
It sounds like you should have found a little more
money in them bootstraps he was pulling off.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, you pull up those pants a little higher, some
money will fall out. How about that?
Speaker 3 (44:39):
It must have chopped his ass.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
But they did not see him as a serious buyer,
like it must have he like poor Camille, she must
have never heard the end.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Of this.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Sounds that came out of him before that.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
I bet, I bet, I bet he went on a
quaylude spree after I bet everybody was getting dosed.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I'll show you who's not a serious buyer.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, guess who bought up all the quayludes left in
Montana William fucking Cosby doctor William. Yeah, No, they didn't
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take him seriously, which I do think at its core,
it does feel very illuminating in terms of like all
these people were like, you think jay Z's in the illuminati,
that nigga ain't in ship.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
You have just so liquor to get rich.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, they're not letting us do the thing.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
People gotta get it, like over right, you have to
engage advice in some way?
Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, yeah, did he sell to rock jay Z? What's
his shit?
Speaker 6 (46:07):
Now?
Speaker 1 (46:07):
It used to be Christallin. Ain't that no more?
Speaker 2 (46:09):
He bought a distributor, right, it was like it die
with Armadale, But he bought a whole liquor distributor, I
think is how he did it.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
What do I think of that?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
By the way, because I I'm as a like leftist,
I'm always like, yeah, fuck billionaires, But what do we
do with the.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Fact that, like we like that jay Z is a billionaire? Right?
Like I'm always like, wonder, like what do we do
with that?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
To be black in America is complicated, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Let me be clear, I do not root for jay
Z being a billionaire. I liked the last album. I
think four four four is maybe some of his best work,
just in the growth and demonstration of like a man evolving.
So I'm not shitting on jay Z as an artist,
but I am never rooting for any of my artists
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to get like dumb money. It doesn't make them better artists,
It doesn't make them more likable for me. It just
makes them rich assholes who probably have a bunch of
like conflicts inside of the things that they're selling.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Me. Well, thank god, I'm not one of your favorite
artists because I'm trying to get pain, you know. Send
it over a year back to truck up jigger Man.
My tour is sponsored by Armadel Vodka. No I, but
here in truth, yeah, I agree with you. I don't
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the be putting the bee on. It doesn't necessarily I
don't really believe the artists should be all that rich
in general.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
I think it's the worst thing for it.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, it kind of kind of takes away from it. Yeah,
but I mean that's kind of an older me. I
think that when I first heard and I think that
I'm a fan of distance traveled in a lifetime, and
I think that I mean to go from the piece
to being a billionaire is, like you said, it is great.
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The size of that. Yeah, to be able to cover
that ground in a single lifetime, past generational wealth, that's amazing,
you know what I mean. And to be a black
man and to beat the system completely set up against
you is very amazing. So in that I guess I
do find it inspiring that jay Z is a billionaire,
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but I also don't. I don't like aspire to be
a billionaire.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, I think it's a I think though, let me
get it, it is a awe inspiring thing to watch
a dude who used to sell coke in the MARSI
Projects suddenly become a billionaire and able to play at
that level.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
And suddenly it was like a series of like you
know what I'm saying, nothing like that's that's pretty impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
No, I don't mean suddenly in the sense that he
woke up overnight. But like, even if we're talking about
a lifespan, he's fifty, it's not like he's you know,
I mean a lot of he's not fucking Warren Buffett,
who was like one foot in the grave type shit.
He had to really do it in a short amount
of time. He didn't start like his rap career until
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he was twenty six, So in twenty five years, essentially
he went from being a coke dealer to a fucking billionaire.
That's crazy. That said, I'm not rooting for more zeros.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I mean, unless you believe him that he started with
nine hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, sure he got the time to be back.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
PAGs put it in motion. They't no reminder me back.
But that's like really the flory.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah, jay Z was a real Nepo baby.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
To the conspiracy that his dreads are sache.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yes, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
I also kind of believe that. I that's like, you
don't I don't think that you are that rich and
you just don't wash your hair all the time.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, no, I don't think. I don't think those are
real dreads. I don't think that a fifty year old
man wearing a bandana is being honest with us at all.
I think we saw it with Hulk Hogan and we
know it with jay Z. There is the same vibe.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
I want him to I'm glad that he likes Boskiot,
but I want him to get into other weird painters. Bro,
what if you just went through like a Salvador dolly face.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, but also like put me on man, stop telling
me about the one fucking artist that we all agree
is great. Like, tell me about some shit that I
ain't never heard of. And jay Z's just like, yo,
you heard of Picasso. It's like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
I have Yeah, that is a good point. Also, you know, yeah,
I don't know. I mean, I can't speak to art.
I have a I have a paint and fold theme
painting behind me. But it's gorgeous, thank you. I don't
like that. I don't like that. That's a good point.
So fuck Jason. I didn't as soon as it came out.
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As soon as it came out, it felt bad.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
I think maybe the more important lesson here, if we
were to wrap this thing up, it seems as if
we can all agree that Bill Cosby is a bad guy.
Number one. That's the most important thing. Bill Cosby one
hundred percent did all of the crimes that he's been
accused of doing, but he also was stifled in some
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ways because of a maintenance of the powers that be
that maybe Bill Cosby's dreams were not allowed to reach
their greatest potential because of the color of his skin
and what he represented. I agree.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
I learned that I came into this thinking there is
no truth to the NBC thing. I'm walking away from
this having learned something.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
And it's dark because I kind of think I kind
of feel like maybe I thought that he didn't do
it because he's block. So you know, we all this
is a big day for everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yep, you heard it here first, folks. Bridget Todde she
believes that Bill Cosby deserves a second chains ye by INBC.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Cosby apolog you.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
I get canceled.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
She said, give him one more shot at buying NBC
and make it fair this time.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
I want to see what he does with I want
to see him moderate a Biden Trump debate.
Speaker 3 (52:28):
Dammit. I think we all deserve this.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I would watch that. I would watch that front Listen.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
I'm not turning it off if it comes on to you.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
It's not bad TV, right, that's great?
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Well, Bridgie, could you tell the people where they could
find you and what cool shit you have going on?
Speaker 4 (52:44):
Yes, this was a pleasure. Thank you for having me
and thank you for teaching me something about Bill Cosby.
You can find me at my podcast. There are no
girls on the Internet on iHeartRadio or my podcast with
Next Chapter Podcasts Beef. If you want to dig into
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(53:04):
find me on Twitter at Bridget Marie or on Instagram
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Helly Elli, so follow her, go, go listen to her podcast.
She's great and bory. You want to tell people where
they can find.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
You, yes, I can Cool Guy Jokes eighty seven on Instagram.
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And then you can follow me at Langston Krman on Instagram.
And oh and if you want to send us your
own drops, your own conspiracy theories, if you want to
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at gmail dot com. We would love to hear from you. Okay,
we're officially done by bitch.
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Speaker 1 (53:44):
I'm a sister.
Speaker 6 (53:45):
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