June 25, 2024 • 57 mins
Is the fashion industry out to get us? Langston and David take a trip down memory lane of trends they’ve attempted: color bandanas, bootleg FUBU, dada spinners, baggy clothes, and more. They both accept the idea of creative expression within fashion but also acknowledge questionable motives. Are these trends trying to make us look like idiots? Why are we going broke to impress our colleagues and peers? Is David going to grow long hair? Langston shares his Value City experience. Let’s just say, he looked too “familiar”.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
The joke that passed through my head to tag that
I can't say out loud, and so I I just
had to bail on it. What do you Yeah, I
would go to jail if if I said what I
thought was the funniest thing to respond with to you,
But it wouldn't work out for our futures. I guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I appreciate you looking out because I do not have
that presence of mind. I'm slurred on here like it's
already I'm dragging us down. Don't tell Will Perum, No.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Don't please, don't tell Will Pharaoh. That's none of It's
god damn business that The mind is goddamn business.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Go make me another anchor.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That sounded crazy. I don't know why I was talking
to him like that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I like it. I like it. Carry Yeah, that's what
it is.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The goals are racist.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
The money.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Stuff, I can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
They're great. There it is there, It is there, it
is Gentiles and little mamas alike. Welcome to another phenomenal
episode of My Mama Told Me.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of
black conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Theories and we finally work to prove that Michael Blackson
is the king of whatever the exact opposite of Wakanda is.
Instead of vibranium. Instead of vibranium, they just got copper
piping and supersuits made out of losing Super Bowl teams. Ah,
(02:12):
whatever he is, it's they ain't no to child to me,
why Conda?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
We could do better? I could do better. I don't
like that take that out.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I like, yeah, ain't in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
No condact. I'll get it by the end. I'll figure
it out. I like that. But I was good.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, he's bad for Africa, I would say, is maybe
the big take away there.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't even I don't even know how much he
represents it like that's a product born of Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, that's a real that's a real Philadelphia choice to
behave the way that he behaves and Philly, you will
answer for your crimes.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, is a weekend famous and that we're gonna be
in a room with all these guys. I assume that
the source awards and have to be.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's gonna be a nightmare. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I probably had some mates on me.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
They they did that thing when Io hosted SNL where
they like dug up that one specific podcast episode where
she had talked about j Lo. But like, fuck, man,
that's what a whole can a whole snl.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm not doing it, Bro, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You're just gonna it's gonna be a stressful fucking week
of them uncovering podcasts ever podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Brother. If I do anything even slightly bigger, if I
get a television show where my face is incorporated, I'm out.
I gotta cartoon gever.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You get one Variety article and you're done.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So, Buddy is Gable going nuts?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's gonna be great. I'm Likeston Kerman.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm David Boy And maybe that's a nom de plume.
You don't even know.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, you know that's not his name. Stupid, you've been
calling him that the whole time.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Idiot.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You think we would give out our real names while
we while we talk all this ship that would be
that would be detrimental to our careers.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Nope, there isn't even my real face. It's a deep
fake from some dude I met in the homeless shelter.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Thank you Ai yeah for bringing a new type of
Jesse smelette to the big screen.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Is he gonna come back. You think he could come back.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I don't think he can come back because he was
too much of a joint laugh for everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right across genres.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And if there was still like a group of people
that were like, yo, we believe Justy. We thought we
think you know, there's no Jesse truthers out there, like legitimately,
everybody's just like that Nigga's crazy and he bugged out,
and that's it. I think you need to have a
(05:20):
base of truthers to be able to revive your career,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's true. Not even yeah, not even conspiracy theorists stand
behind him. That's how value was what he did.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Even there are people who still will be like, I
don't think Harvey Weinstein did everything that Harvey Weinstein did.
I don't think he's the bad guy. They made him
out to be blah blah blah blah blah. Nobody's doing
that for Jesse.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Nah, he's dead. No justice for Jesse.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Cosby's gonna tour again, Jesse. Jesse ain't getting no more sitcoms.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, that is kind of fair. That guy sucks. It's
crazy thing. I mean, I've said gay Tupac and jest
about people, so I understand the power behind it. It's
(06:17):
like calling somebody down on a bus or something.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I know what weapon I hold when i'm when I'm
throwing that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Around, exactly, exactly got to be away.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We're here today not to discuss the details of Jesse's
Jesse's downfall, but instead, uh, it's David and Langston, Langston
and David extravaganza. We're gonna we're gonna talk some shit
about our own conspiracy theories, largely because we had to
reschedule real interviews with people and ran out of people
(06:47):
for this week. But but that's none of your goddamn
business about it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Just shut the funds, you little biggies.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, you think you get to pick what happens around here,
You think you have a choice, So we give you
what we got.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
We're just se you're the Nigerians.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
We have a conspiracy today that we were discussing before
we before we you know, started heating up. We we
were we were having a little bit of a debate
about this conspiracy theory. Well, I don't think that you
and I are necessarily fully aligned on which side we're on,
but but it's going to be an exciting discussion. We said,
(07:40):
my mama told me the fashion industry is out to
get us.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yes, and I agree to a point, But I do
feel like oftentimes fashion trends are born of like individuality
and creativity, and big fashion either co opts that or
rejects it and tries to pivot. I don't think that
(08:13):
big fashion is in line with us at all.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Actually, Okay, so and I agree with that certainly. That
last sentence feels very correct to me. But we should
talk a little bit about the impetus of this discussion.
So Olivia sent us a very silly tweet from a
gentleman who we all know and love. I think everybody
(08:40):
is still everybody's still a big fan of him, right, there's.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
No huge fan. I saw him in concert, not one
year ago. Yeah, nobody's I hope.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I would be furious to find out that people have
turned against him. But we're talking about Ja rule Jo rule.
Is He's still a king amongst kings as far as
I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, forever and ever.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
John Role apparently tweeted today men still wearing ripped jeans
three question marks and and it's unclear if he and
he's it's a laughing emoji and then a Jean's emoji
in case you didn't know what he was referring to.
And it's pretty I guess it's relatively clear with with
(09:23):
that extra emoticons and shit that he's he doesn't respect
men wearing ripped jeans? Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Which is a boot statement from a guy who pioneered
a form of bandanaware that no one else could recreate.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, I guess DMX did it too, But that
was great with the pat the tranp you know what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, he always kept the triangles sort of hanging hanging
down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Did you ever try? Did you ever attempt?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But I'd be lying if I said I didn't. I
don't currently have some bandanas in my uh in my
my closet from when I thought maybe I could be
a band in a guy, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
What I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Like, Yeah, I'll buych some bandanas that'll make every outfit pop.
That'll be cool. And then bottom I was like, Bro,
you ain't never gonna you ain't never gonna fold these up. Man,
you ain't got that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You ain't got it, bro being a tricky headwear guy
is like, because like, being a hat guy is easy.
Anybody could do. I'm a hack guy, but like a
band like to incorporate origami into the full No, it's
it's it's you. You would have you were born like that.
You don't just start that.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to get way richer
to be able to make that kind of choice, you
know what I mean, Like something, something in my life
is gonna have to drastically change for me to then
feel that kind of confidence.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, you're gonna have to like yeah, it's like it's
like it's it's like it's like starting to fight late
in life. It's like, this isn't a lot, you know
what I mean. You just start being up for some shit.
You know, it's like, what are you? This is crazy?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, No, one hundred percent. There there are some things
that are just not for you. And if I would
have if I was going to be a bandana guy,
I would have known that during formative bandana years.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You would have done it probably before teens. Right, I've
seen bandana children and you're like, damn, it's a cool
ass kid. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Though, it's I want to be cool. I know it
can be cool, and I just don't got it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Nah me either, man, I want to be cool so bad,
but it's just not. It's just not. I mean because
what what? Okay? In my head, I assume you were
trying to wear the bandana in the style of like
Safari in the gator Rade outfit.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Safari in the Jata Rade out it. Let's let's make
sure we reference this together, because I remember the Gatorade outfit.
I don't remember the headwear relling well enough to be able.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
To hold on. Yeah, go back and treat yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Okay. No, I don't want to wear it. I wasn't
thinking of wearing it like a top hat.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
There was no part of me.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
That wants to be able to lift the bandana and say,
good day, ladies, my DearS, be safe. There's a chill
out tonight. Have you read the evening news?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Just it that does you stay up? Maybe he does.
I don't know. The mechanics are being fresh.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Truman says we might go to war. Wait, so then,
what was that plan? What was it gonna be more
more like that that Frank Ocean bandana? You remember the
yell yeah little maybe rolled or maybe the old Jiy
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rule like but but less triangular.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't need it to be like perfectly triangular right
in the middle of the way Joe rule.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Used to be. I I just after some bohemian feel.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, man, I thought I thought that'd be a good
vibe and I got the plantas, but I ain't got
the courage yet.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Not like this guy specific but kind of like this
is gonna sound crazy until you look it up, but
like a Bruce Springsteen type of thing.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Uh okay, Bruce Springsteen, I like until he starts wearing
it like a little collar that that's no no no
no no no no, feel like I'm not.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, that looks like a child cowboy.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I mean, like, yeah, I don't like when they do
that and Bruce Springsteen does that, and I'd be like,
they call him the boss while he's doing it, like
ain't no love.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Uh okay. Anyways, I understand what you're saying, because I
also just to full disclosure, I've tried tons of things.
I've tried rags and had been all of it. All
I got is hats damn man. I tried in the nineties,
I tried to push a pant leg up for a while.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Here's what I here's my dream and I'm gonna say
it allowed so that you both you and I committed
to memory and heart. My dream is that this podcast
becomes successful, that we both are willing to explore a
fashion choice that we've been running from, maybe our entire lives.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Let's go, Are you kidding me? I want long hair? Well, okay, listen,
we're like.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
No, no, no, this is a laugh.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
This is a laugh of celebration, not of shame. I
will not shame your dream.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Longer than I have now. I feel like dark skin dudes,
we all you get is a shadow fade. You know,
we raise or lower where the fade is at. Sometimes
you just don't fade, you know. Sometimes it's squared, sometimes
it's rounded. But I have it's the same haircut over
and over and over again. And I'm out in the world.
(15:51):
You don't think I see your crow fade And I think, damn,
that'd be have I just got some texturizer, I could
get it done. Yeah, I think I think that we
Obviously I've spoken to my texturize the issues on here before.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, I look, I want it for you. I believe
it would look gorgeous. I've seen look Kevin Hark, he
shows up with with the long little curl shit and
it looks good. He changes it up every once in
a while. And I want that for you too.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I want longer. To be honest, I'm like talking like
when I see everybody talks shit about it, but like
when I see jay Z, I'm like, I understand the
freedom that you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I like, okay, but like when it was just going out,
I would like in the bandana too, because we could
be bandana boys. If you jumping on jay Z's bandana behavior.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Listen when I listen. Next time we renegotiate contracts, there
will be signs.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
You're gonna start saying some branded bandanas up on our
pretty pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
My mama told me bandanas would go hard. I just
I don't feel even in my head, even in my
head when I said it, I just am like, what
am I gonna do? I'm gonna put it on my
girl's dog, I'm gonna put it on Stella.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That's the thing is like, I don't I don't actually
know what I would do with it. If I'm not
brave enough to put the ship on my goddamn self.
But yeah, who knows, we'll see. I believe in us,
and I believe that that something will change our bravery,
our hearts will eventually crack open, and we'll finally get
to be ourselves.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Fully.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
That said, we we have we have to go to break.
But it is worth clarifying the actual conspiracy before we
do that. Maybe, yeah, because I don't know even know
that we've clarified anything.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I mean, it doesn't matter at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, So we're gonna take a break and when we
come back, we'll explain to you the conspiracy we were discussing.
Because we didn't make it very far. We we got distracted.
That's not our fault, frankly, we we're just being ourselves.
That's your fault for for listening to this ship.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Sometimes that's the way the bandana folds. You know what's fuck?
You know how you know we're not built like that.
It is because we're saying bandana, not rag. We're already out.
We're already damn.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
What are we doing. We're showing up to the dealership
talking about I'd like to buy a vehicle.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, what if we were really with that ship. We
would have been saying flag this whole time. I can't
do that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I ain't gonna say that. I'm on my business. I
live in California in this house. Don't fly no flags.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's a good that's a good point. But is rag
is good?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
That's respectful. All Right, We're gonna take a break. We're
gonna be back with more David, more likes than and more.
My mama told me, we're calling upon you because we
have we have new merch. We have very exciting merch
(19:34):
that we are now selling and it's it's fucking great.
We love it so much.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Just sleek, it's sexy.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Come on, you want to tell them what we have.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, we have three different types of hats, which is
really fun. We have a two tone hat, an alien
dad hat, the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then
we have the enamel pin with an alien who has
a coofie on it, since my mama told me. And
then we have t shirts that say proud little Mama,
which is who you are.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, you can buy the merch now, so ma, Mama
told me that merch table dot com. It's a brand
new name, but it's the same old merch, and we
would love for you to get some if you haven't
got it already, and we want you to have all
the sweet stuff, so get it.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
We think the bigger the booty define idiot. And now
we can convince her. She walks switching that big old
booty and all that it ain't nothing but dodo in there.
We are back.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Ain't nothing but do do in there.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Ain't nothing but do do in there, which is a
very ignorant statement.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
There's a lot of meat, there's a lot of other
stuff besides dodo, sir. And I respect, I respect that
whatever she was doing upset him in a way that
maybe he was speaking from a place of a and
not a place of reason.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
For sure. Hurt people, hurt people. It's like saying, the
titties filled with milk. There's some milk, come on, grow
up filled, No, sir, it's like a very rudimentary understanding
of the body. Because I get it, milk, milk, lemonade
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around the corner of the budget is made. But that's
we got to get past that.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We got to grow up. We got to grow up.
We are still talking about the possibility that fashion and
the fashion industry is out to get us.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
What we should clarify is that this conversation was largely
born from job rule, questioning whether or not ripped jeans
jeans are still okay to wear, and it got me
thinking about an entire generation of people who were very
against whatever the current trend happens to be. For me.
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When I was a kid, baggy clothes were associated with
like drug dealers and violence and a certain like street
image that you weren't supposed to want to associate with,
and that, you know, old people shamed us and told
us to pull up our pants. And then eventually fashion changed,
and then those old people said, make those pants looser.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Why are your pants so tight? You're you're gay? Whatever
the fuck? It all changes, but the anger.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like when we were selling drugs, our fans were huge.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
What are you hiding the heroin in your butts?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, how are you gonna sell that?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Heirng We just used the cargo pockets.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Man. I will say that, even as you're saying this,
I think it needs to be acknowledged that we're both
we're both thirty seven. I think it needs to be
acknowledged that we did come up in the era of
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branded streetwear, and that was not an area of fashion
in a major way before that, right, Like, I feel
like that specifically black fashion, and I think maybe that's
more what I was speaking towards was was not necessary.
Things were not necessarily branded towards black people as much
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as it was about finding a thing within the mainstream
and converting it and making our own, whereas in our
lifetime it was definitely comodified.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I think it was commodified for sure, which then
ultimately creates reactions from people. But the conspiracy sort of
is in. It's worth noting the conspiracy was born of
me questioning whether or not there is an intentional change
of fashion constantly, right Like, we're constantly being told every season,
(24:07):
this is in, these things are out, and I wonder
how much of that is an intentional manipulation of sort
of like public consumption so that people can continue to
be labeled poor or violent or any of the other
things that are associated with fashion trends that are not
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currently most currently of today. That like, that's how you
basically keep poor people in a uniform of what I
mean by changing the things that we wear.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
My push back to that is that the idea of
a uniform. Then that's the constant changing is kind of
like contradictive to that, right, because it was like for
that if that were the case, it would be a
lot of easier to keep things in the same vein
that they had always been as opposed to, Like the
constant changing is like a lot of young people, I
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personally can't keep up with fashion. I don't know if
a kid does look like a thug or not anymore,
you know what? You know what I'm saying, Yeah, And
like we're it in that in that and that's the
nature of fashion kind of evolving so quickly, whereas it
was like you know, if you were a white guy
and you rolled up a pack of cigarettes in your shirt,
that meant you were a tough guy for like fifteen
years like that that I think.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But that's what I But that's what I mean is
that like when it was that for fifteen years, there
was less profit to be made and less ways for
them to identify sort of like themselves separate from these communities.
Do you get what I'm saying that, Like, for example,
when everybody in the country had to wear a suit
(25:44):
to work, it was easier to sort of like mix
in with common society, even if for a day, you
know what I mean, Like you put your best suit on,
you go ride the same train that everybody rides. Suddenly
everybody doesn't know what your home situation is. But now,
because of the intentional, like constant changing of fashion trends,
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I think there is a way for you to be
able to like point somebody out in the crowd and
be like, Yo, that motherfucker ain't got the same shit
that everybody else has, and that branding, to your point,
played a major part in it.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I do see what you're saying, is like it does
feel like that is the capitalism of it all, Like
that idea of like you have to buy clothes to
prove and show who you are. Yeah, and that that
and that does keep you buying clothes where it's like
I mean, I think we're all slaves to it to
some degree and probably probably more than ever, right you you,
(26:44):
because like I do tend to judge people by how
they dress in that like, not in like a way
that I think it's good or bad, but I do
feel like I'm like, oh, I could kind of tell
something about you, you know what I mean? By the
one the close situation.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, And I think it's hard not to have passed
some judgment as it relates to the clothes that people wear,
and that's intentional. Like I think, like, in my opinion,
there's something rooted in sort of like the capitalistic nature
of the fashion industry that like they're one hundred percent
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gonna figure out a way to like make something a
new wave faster than the old wave died. Like they
have to. They have to make us start being like, no,
you're gonna wear this. Think I bought baggy pants again.
And I've spent the past, you know, fifteen years before that,
like everything was tight or fitted or whatever it is.
(27:39):
And now I'm just right back wearing the clothes that
I thought were stupid in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Brother, I never laughed. I knew this would come. I
got a drawer full of echoes just in case.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
They'll come home eventually.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, they always do.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Go ahead, baby girl, cheat away.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I guess So, I guess what I had thought that
you meant, because I think we we're talking about it
more specifically for black people, right, And I guess my
point was within that is that I feel like a
lot of black fashion tends to be fucking traditional trends,
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so that like, yeah, so that the trends coming out
are a rejection of whatever big fashion is doing at
the time, right, We're not even a rejection, just like
a modification. And in that I don't think that the
fashion industry can keep up with that or people like that,
and that they're kind of playing catchup.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean, I do think the Internet sort of
cracks something for sure. We're with the way that they move, right, Yeah, yeah,
I didn't it helps certain things. Like I do think
that kids today are way more fashionable than Yeah, helped
them quite a bit and then too, But like kids
today are way more fashionable than I certainly knew us
(29:19):
to be as kids, And I think in part, I
think part of it is just that they're constantly able
to see what every body's trying now in a way
that we weren't able to do. But on the flip side,
I think that that wave of judgment can still exist
for like people who don't play inside of those games,
(29:39):
you know what I mean that, like you, if you're
not fashioned forward now and you're just like an old
navy ass kid, I bet you still get made fun
of the way that we would have gotten made fun
of if we had, like a brand that wasn't the
cool brand when the cool brand.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Was happening, or like a fake.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, if you had the the you know, the infamous
poo boo uh sweatshirt, then you you got eaten the
fuck alive and possibly for the rest of your life.
Remember Oh yeah, I remember dadas fake fake dadas.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah. Man, it was bad, bro. It was wow, this
is so bad. Bro.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It was you don't even have to fake those, that's
not uh, that's not when the sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Depends on how poor you are. We got it.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
That's crazy, get it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And I knew it was. I knew man, it was it.
It's just like Chinese shoe store, like everything was faking there.
Everything was faking there. It was like is it deep
in Aurora and like a terrible strip mall, Like you
know the strip mall where the kid goes to buy
the goonies or the kid goes to buy the fucking
(30:58):
uh to go buy the ground. That's like where I
got these shoes at. Nothing in their fit right, And
it was like the box set data, but it was
just reversed, you know what I'm saying. So like because
you remember the data logo was like lowercase DS. This
ship was like lowercase bs. Oh yeah, I got about.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Half walking around in babas Bro.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I got about half three quarters of the way through
the first day in ninth grade.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Fuck fuck they figured it out.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. It was at the assembly where all the freshmen like,
it's like these dudes from the football from my team
is I hate I hate watching you hear it because
it no, it was this is traumatic, man, it's fuck.
And people found it first. Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It wasn't even like, oh, your biggest hater founded and
you could like it was hot school on the wall
of like your your homies.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It was. I had a pretty clean canvas.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It was.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Between eighth and ninth grade. I went to four different schools,
so it was a brand new set of people. I
was I was gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
You just had to wear a believable snigger for one
day and you couldn't do it. You couldn't fucking pull
it off.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And then it was And then it was sucked because
my mom was like, I'm not getting your new shoes,
so that I had to go. I had to go
back to the old shoes that I've been wearing all
some it was. It was rough, it was, but pressure
makes Diamonds one of the better football seasons I ever played.
(32:56):
Because I needed it. I needed it. Fuck man, I
needed it.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
No, I hear it, I hear it. I hear the
desperation still bringing around in your voice. That's it was
fuck brutal.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It was. So it's like one of those you ever
have a kid when you come home and you're like,
maybe Pussy's just not for me. That's how that's how
maybe you know I probably is not even ever, that's
never gonna happen for me.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Maybe this ain't my sport.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Was the only thing that kept me alive.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, I meant that metaphorically, yeah, not the literal sport.
Just maybe this ain't the way I'm the game I'm
supposed to be playing.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And that ship it really gets in your head. Because
now I can afford the clothes I want, I still
make some poor decisions. I have ought views on colors
as well.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I will say that this this like it connects back
to my theory about some of this, this sort of
intentional altering of fashion, right that like, to some extent,
we would all benefit in society as a whole would
benefit from uniforms. Like if we all just sort of
locked in on like a general vibe. It doesn't have
(34:20):
to be like matching colors and shit, but just a
general vibe of this is what your silhouette and clothes
should look like. You wear this shirt, these pants, this jacket,
pick your colors, enjoy your day.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
But that it is that it is that it's just
how much do you have an eye for it? How
keen are you it is that if you like? It's
like even from any given time, if you look at videos,
everybody generally dresses the same way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
But but I'm saying that, like there's something broken in
us acknowledging the silhouette is the thing that is fashion,
but then judging the price of the thing or the
quality of the thing based off it's its value, right,
(35:14):
And that's the manipulation. Fashion doesn't have to change, It
doesn't need to constantly be changing. It wants to constantly
be changing so that the value of what you're wearing
can also change.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I Okay, I see where you're coming from with that.
I thought I thought what you were getting at was
a more sinister, calculated directed towards black people type of
situation that threwards poor people, right. I mean that point
that you're making, I think is completely true. It's not
(35:52):
rich people who are buying sheen, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
No, Yeah, they they are. They want us to be
death really seeking, you know, these sort of images we
see on television, and then they constantly change the images
so that we, in essence go broke, just chasing an
unwinnable game.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, which is like, but that The difficult thing about
that With things like specifically fashion is like, are you
brave enough to opt out? I'm not a very fashion
forward person, but I'm not dressing like I want to
completely you know what I'm saying, I can't like because
that is like a that's like I think you have
(36:33):
to be richer than I am. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
No, And again it goes back to the bandanas, right,
It's like there's a form of fashion that I have
not been brave enough to like venture into. And I
think that is the continual opting in.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I still aspire to be able to look this way
in my clothes, so I'll keep buying more shit.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
That's very interesting to me because I always viewed you
as b and I always thought you were like a
fast not like a fashionista. That's like a demeaning terms
a very fashionable person. Oh thank you. I mean I
try to be.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
But I think there's a difference between being like a
fashionable like regular schmegular dude and like one of those
dudes who can, like I like, has an eye for
like trying something funky, and then that sort of like
is like, oh he can dress, but I think most people, nah,
(37:31):
you know, like he puts it, he looks good in
its outfits. But but there are motherfuckers who can dress right.
A part of me wants to be able to be that,
and I don't have it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I get that. And now do you feel like that
is because an unwillingness to buck the trends or do
you feel like, like, do you feel like that is
because you were caught up in this cycle that they
are perpetuating for or do you feel like you just
don't have the eye for it.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I think it's probably more an unwillingness to open myself
up for roasting right in a way that I I'm
it just requires a type of like I don't give
a fuck to be able to like pull some of
that off, you know what I mean? Gerrod going to
(38:23):
the Emmys shirtless with just the fur coat, you gotta
really like reach a point of like, I don't give
a fuck what part of me is showing or how
people respond to it. It just is and I don't
feel that way. And thus there's so many obstructions and
how I can view a jacket, a pant, a shirt,
(38:47):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Interesting? Yeah, I do know, I know, I definitely know
what you mean. That's very interesting. Do you feel like
what would it take? Because I think with the issues
of that, what this is, like, what we're talking about,
is how do we break free? Right ultimately? Like what
would it take to be able to achieve that freedom?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think what I want to be able to do
is learn to become a uniform guy, but like a
uniform where.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Like like a dog out any type of thing.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I got like six outfits and they're all so so
fucking correct to my style that like it don't matter
that I wear that every other day, you know what
I mean, Like people are just like that shit, he'd
just be looking good man. He just that his outfits
are so hard. He only got six shirts in his closet.
(39:40):
But they're all fucking five that.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I do understand that because even as a kid, I
always yeah, I remember being like in like fifth or
sixth grade and really wanting to crack it in the
way where it was just like if I could just like,
like I always thought about that. It's never happened, but
I always Well, actually there was a time from like
(40:06):
five to eight, yeah, where it was very easy when
when when foot Locker was doing the four T shirts
for twenty yeah, that because I had, like because I
worked a lot back then, so I had like twenty
fitted hats and then like two plain T shirts and
like every color a million white ones. And that was
(40:30):
probably the best I've ever That era was probably the
best I've ever done clothing.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
The white tea era for black men, I think, really
was a groundbreaking movement for fast and this again, this
goes back to my point to some extent about this
constant changing, Right, It's like the reality was white teams
became popular because a bunch of people decided they weren't
(40:58):
going to spend crazy money on like their shirt, they
could just look crisp with a white tea. Then you
can focus on jeans and shoes. Right, that was like
where the style came from. But as fashion high fashion
got a hold of that, then they started putting value
on the differences between buying a pack of Hanes versus
(41:20):
like having a branded white tea, and that effectively forced
people in some ways to spend forty five dollars sometimes
one hundred dollars on a white tea that isn't even
better necessarily than the shit that you would get out
of Haynes, but it is branded, it is kissed by
(41:41):
the ring of high fashion, and that then leads to
people sort of being left behind in the process.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think, here, here's what I understand. I think I'm
starting to understand our fundamental differences here within this conversation.
I have been left behind the Okay, never even crossed
my mind and.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Never crossed your mind that they did that or no,
it's not even.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
They don't have it in my side, it's not even
as truly, the top of the white tea mountain to
me is was and always will be the pro club
T shirt because the next stays tight because I got
a big, big ass head. But like, yeah, so that's
what it is. I think that like even now with fashion.
(42:33):
I'm really trying to stay as close to OA as
I can. That's a good summer for me.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Well, I I will say, and not to really seat
box this ship. I will say that even what you're
talking about in terms of size is an element of
how they sort of like can constantly label people not,
you know what I mean, fashionable or not of an
ilk that we want to celebrate, you know what I mean. Like,
(43:03):
there's a reason that these high fashion brands are not
making triple xl T shirts or whatever it is because
they don't want y'all over there. They're telling me, they're
telling you, and they can't tell you legally anymore. They
can't be like, get your fat ass out of my store,
(43:27):
So they just don't make the shirt that you want.
And then you go, you got a shirt for me,
and they go, no, no, we don't got a shirt
for you.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Get out. But that being said, it has caused me
to like not pay attention to the trends, and like,
I don't I feel like there was a time where
I felt very victimized. Is of the word because I
ain't bitch, but like there was a time where I
felt very under the thumb of whatever the fashion trends were,
(43:59):
and I don't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I think I feel less that way than I felt
in my younger years.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
But that also might be the confidence of older age
of you.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
I think it's a confident.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Having a little bit of money, you know, I mean living.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, that's the thing is, like I do think you
you reach a type of settled where it's like, well,
I'm not going to win the game anymore. So as
long as I don't look like I'm not keeping up,
I'm fine, you know what I mean. Like, I'm cool
with with being a little off and whatever y'all got
to say about it, say it, I'll be okay, right.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
I Also, I also am thankful I talk well. So
fashion is never my true form of expression anyway.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
And I do think that that, you know, we've talked
about it a little bit on the show. That it
does get weird when comedians become too sexy. It's not
good fashion shape, all of it. All of it makes
comedy worse. For sure. If your favorite comedians getting sexy,
(45:14):
then they're getting less funny, and that that feels almost guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, if your com favorite comedian is hot, you don't
have a good sense of humor. Wall I mean, shout
out there's some good hot comedians there are, because it
also makes me sound like such a hater, and I
truly don't think that.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
No, there are some good hot comedians, but I also
think the best hot comedians, like true hot comedians, are
the ones that are kind of like acknowledging it and
playing with it more than the ones that are just
sort of like pretending that you don't notice what they
look like in an obnoxious way.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, also the freaks. I mean, I think the best
humor is born from being an outsider, and there's like,
I definitely believe that you could be hot and still
be an outsider.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, fair enough. Well, we need to take
one more break. We're gonna come back. We're gonna keep
talking about the fashion trends and the way that they're
trying to destroy our lives. More David more likes more.
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Speaker 4 (47:28):
I actually am one point four percent Nigerian African.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
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Speaker 2 (47:33):
Okay, we are back with that clip from Jesse Smolette
discuss in fashion. Here's a question I have for you,
truly and I would really like a very deep answer
fashion wise, yeap, what was your best year? What was
(47:54):
the year where you were like, yeah, I made all
the right moves.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Mmmm mmmm. I think the year the first like four
months of my seventh grade year. I feel like I
was really in my bag.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Bro, same before everybody found out Burlington Co factory was cheap.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, I think I was like, uh, I was hidden out.
There was a place called Value City in Chicago that
I was hitting really hard, and they, similar to Burlington Cofactory,
had like all the you know, the deformed fu boo
and fucking the ship that fell off of a truck,
but was still pretty good to me. And I just
(48:49):
remember like buying a bunch of outfits that like I was,
I was rocking. And it was the first three months
or four months because I was hitting them so hard
because they were great fucking outfits that eventually one of
my friends told me that the girls had said that
I was wearing my outfits too much like that. People
(49:09):
had been people had been talking, and they were hitting me.
They were hitting me with that he wear that ship
every day, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
That that.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
They were getting familiar.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Damn. That's a hard one.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Real recognized real and they was looking familiar and damn.
And so I think it was like around like December
that I was stressing because I thought I was killing it,
and I probably was, but but once they started noticing
(49:54):
it was fun.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Man. Now you got this ship laid out on the
bed trying to make new combos.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, I ain't never hit him like this before pieces
you've been wearing.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
That's devastating. That is devastating, I know because it's like
because I know, I know. I understand though, because it's
like that first day of school. You have, like the
first three four days of school, the fits already planned, right.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
You're murdering and murderer's row of gorgeous outfits first three days.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
And to speak to your uniform idea, you kind of
feel like maybe I could just keep this going in
that way, bro.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
The response was so was so good. We all liked
the outphit. You told me, your niggas told me you
liked this. Why would I not let you see it again?
We all agreed, like good outfit, I A. So that
(51:01):
meant you wanted to see.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
It some more?
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Oh man?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
And I was wrong, fair enough?
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Oh man. That is that is That's that's a villain
orange origin story.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Bro. I've had I've had a few. I've had a
few moments where.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
He wears that ship all the time. It's almost worse
than being Dusty, because at least in being dusty, there
is a there's a variance, you know what I mean,
There's like you can have a lot of dusty T shirts. Yeah,
we're in that ship all the time.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Oh man, Yeah, it's a it's a near an impolite
way of being, Like I think he's not washing his clothes. Yea,
and then that makes you a dirty person, That makes
you a musty person. It opens up all kinds of
cans of worms that that ruin your life in a
middle school environment. So no, it it was a low
(52:00):
low for me followed by a very high high.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Were you doing your own laundry?
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah? I was doing I've been doing my own laundry
since I was like, I think, like third fourth grade.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
My mom was like, now you're gonna same. Yeah, but
did you when I was younger? I was kind of
a few a couple of rough years where like the
wear and terror would show what you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Oh, that you were washing too much and then you
your little shit was wearing thins.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, a little too hot?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Why is his shirt unron a bole?
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Now? It because it's it's just because I wanted to
be a pelly Pelly, not a smelly smelly but damn
seventh seventh grade man.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I really do maintain that that I think there is something.
There is a bit of nasty work happening as it
relates to the way that that fashion is manipulated in
this country. I don't necessarily know that I've I don't
know that I've nailed down perfectly what the full plan is.
I think some of this obviously is conjecture and speculation,
(53:18):
But I do think that the capitalistic nature of our
fashion industry alone is a sign of it being not
for the people.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
I mean, for sure, I definitely think that we are
operating at the speed of purchase more than any But
I think it's like indicative. I think it's all things right.
I think it's the way it's the same as I mean,
it's like it almost feels like it's an offshoot of technology.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Right right there. There are very few things in this
world that are not built to scam us at this point.
There's no sincere product that just wants you to have
what you have with out any up selling and trickery
cooked underneath it exactly.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
And uh, you know, what are you gonna do, be Dusty.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
What are you gonna do have somebody say you wear
that every day?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Not on my watch.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Come on. I went through that more as an adult
because when I first started comedy, I had lived on
a couch, So it was just like I would have
like an outfit per season. Whoa like like it would
just be this season, I got this jacket and every
Facebook picture. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, it's just that you're gonna see that jacket a lot.
That jacket is that jacket is doing a one man
show for the next three.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Months, Yes, sir, and then it's gonna get hot out.
I'm gonna pull out these three T shirts again. Fuck
you know allward and upward. Look at us. We survived,
you know longer. The dude who wears the same outfits
my dog dogs go the right way.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
You want to tell the people where they can find
you what cool shit you have going on?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
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Old one is?
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Speaker 3 (57:15):
Babies, my grown chips in your namies. All Kuala bears
are racist. The host layer hosting money, our ships and
many attorney stuff. I can't tell me nothing
The joke that passed through my head to tag that
I can't say out loud, and so I I just
had to bail on it. What do you Yeah, I
would go to jail if if I said what I
thought was the funniest thing to respond with to you,
But it wouldn't work out for our futures. I guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I appreciate you looking out because I do not have
that presence of mind. I'm slurred on here like it's
already I'm dragging us down. Don't tell Will Perum, No.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Don't please, don't tell Will Pharaoh. That's none of It's
god damn business that The mind is goddamn business.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Go make me another anchor.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That sounded crazy. I don't know why I was talking
to him like that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I like it. I like it. Carry Yeah, that's what
it is.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
The goals are racist.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
The money.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Stuff, I can't tell me.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
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is Gentiles and little mamas alike. Welcome to another phenomenal
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Speaker 2 (01:41):
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Theories and we finally work to prove that Michael Blackson
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Instead of vibranium. Instead of vibranium, they just got copper
piping and supersuits made out of losing Super Bowl teams. Ah,
(02:12):
whatever he is, it's they ain't no to child to me,
why Conda?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
We could do better? I could do better. I don't
like that take that out.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I like, yeah, ain't in the right direction.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
No condact. I'll get it by the end. I'll figure
it out. I like that. But I was good.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, he's bad for Africa, I would say, is maybe
the big take away there.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't even I don't even know how much he
represents it like that's a product born of Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, that's a real that's a real Philadelphia choice to
behave the way that he behaves and Philly, you will
answer for your crimes.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well, is a weekend famous and that we're gonna be
in a room with all these guys. I assume that
the source awards and have to be.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's gonna be a nightmare. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I probably had some mates on me.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
They they did that thing when Io hosted SNL where
they like dug up that one specific podcast episode where
she had talked about j Lo. But like, fuck, man,
that's what a whole can a whole snl.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm not doing it, Bro, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You're just gonna it's gonna be a stressful fucking week
of them uncovering podcasts ever podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Brother. If I do anything even slightly bigger, if I
get a television show where my face is incorporated, I'm out.
I gotta cartoon gever.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You get one Variety article and you're done.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So, Buddy is Gable going nuts?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's gonna be great. I'm Likeston Kerman.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I'm David Boy And maybe that's a nom de plume.
You don't even know.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, you know that's not his name. Stupid, you've been
calling him that the whole time.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Idiot.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You think we would give out our real names while
we while we talk all this ship that would be
that would be detrimental to our careers.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Nope, there isn't even my real face. It's a deep
fake from some dude I met in the homeless shelter.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Thank you Ai yeah for bringing a new type of
Jesse smelette to the big screen.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Is he gonna come back. You think he could come back.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I don't think he can come back because he was
too much of a joint laugh for everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right across genres.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And if there was still like a group of people
that were like, yo, we believe Justy. We thought we
think you know, there's no Jesse truthers out there, like legitimately,
everybody's just like that Nigga's crazy and he bugged out,
and that's it. I think you need to have a
(05:20):
base of truthers to be able to revive your career,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's true. Not even yeah, not even conspiracy theorists stand
behind him. That's how value was what he did.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Even there are people who still will be like, I
don't think Harvey Weinstein did everything that Harvey Weinstein did.
I don't think he's the bad guy. They made him
out to be blah blah blah blah blah. Nobody's doing
that for Jesse.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Nah, he's dead. No justice for Jesse.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Cosby's gonna tour again, Jesse. Jesse ain't getting no more sitcoms.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, that is kind of fair. That guy sucks. It's
crazy thing. I mean, I've said gay Tupac and jest
about people, so I understand the power behind it. It's
(06:17):
like calling somebody down on a bus or something.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I know what weapon I hold when i'm when I'm
throwing that.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Around, exactly, exactly got to be away.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
We're here today not to discuss the details of Jesse's
Jesse's downfall, but instead, uh, it's David and Langston, Langston
and David extravaganza. We're gonna we're gonna talk some shit
about our own conspiracy theories, largely because we had to
reschedule real interviews with people and ran out of people
(06:47):
for this week. But but that's none of your goddamn
business about it.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Just shut the funds, you little biggies.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, you think you get to pick what happens around here,
You think you have a choice, So we give you
what we got.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
We're just se you're the Nigerians.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
We have a conspiracy today that we were discussing before
we before we you know, started heating up. We we
were we were having a little bit of a debate
about this conspiracy theory. Well, I don't think that you
and I are necessarily fully aligned on which side we're on,
but but it's going to be an exciting discussion. We said,
(07:40):
my mama told me the fashion industry is out to
get us.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yes, and I agree to a point, But I do
feel like oftentimes fashion trends are born of like individuality
and creativity, and big fashion either co opts that or
rejects it and tries to pivot. I don't think that
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big fashion is in line with us at all.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Actually, Okay, so and I agree with that certainly. That
last sentence feels very correct to me. But we should
talk a little bit about the impetus of this discussion.
So Olivia sent us a very silly tweet from a
gentleman who we all know and love. I think everybody
(08:40):
is still everybody's still a big fan of him, right, there's.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
No huge fan. I saw him in concert, not one
year ago. Yeah, nobody's I hope.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I would be furious to find out that people have
turned against him. But we're talking about Ja rule Jo rule.
Is He's still a king amongst kings as far as
I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, forever and ever.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
John Role apparently tweeted today men still wearing ripped jeans
three question marks and and it's unclear if he and
he's it's a laughing emoji and then a Jean's emoji
in case you didn't know what he was referring to.
And it's pretty I guess it's relatively clear with with
(09:23):
that extra emoticons and shit that he's he doesn't respect
men wearing ripped jeans? Is that fair to say?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Which is a boot statement from a guy who pioneered
a form of bandanaware that no one else could recreate.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, I guess DMX did it too, But that
was great with the pat the tranp you know what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, he always kept the triangles sort of hanging hanging
down a little bit.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Did you ever try? Did you ever attempt?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
But I'd be lying if I said I didn't. I
don't currently have some bandanas in my uh in my
my closet from when I thought maybe I could be
a band in a guy, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
What I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Like, Yeah, I'll buych some bandanas that'll make every outfit pop.
That'll be cool. And then bottom I was like, Bro,
you ain't never gonna you ain't never gonna fold these up. Man,
you ain't got that.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You ain't got it, bro being a tricky headwear guy
is like, because like, being a hat guy is easy.
Anybody could do. I'm a hack guy, but like a
band like to incorporate origami into the full No, it's
it's it's you. You would have you were born like that.
You don't just start that.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, I think I'm gonna have to get way richer
to be able to make that kind of choice, you
know what I mean, Like something, something in my life
is gonna have to drastically change for me to then
feel that kind of confidence.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, you're gonna have to like yeah, it's like it's
like it's it's like it's like starting to fight late
in life. It's like, this isn't a lot, you know
what I mean. You just start being up for some shit.
You know, it's like, what are you? This is crazy?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, No, one hundred percent. There there are some things
that are just not for you. And if I would
have if I was going to be a bandana guy,
I would have known that during formative bandana years.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You would have done it probably before teens. Right, I've
seen bandana children and you're like, damn, it's a cool
ass kid. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Though, it's I want to be cool. I know it
can be cool, and I just don't got it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Nah me either, man, I want to be cool so bad,
but it's just not. It's just not. I mean because
what what? Okay? In my head, I assume you were
trying to wear the bandana in the style of like
Safari in the gator Rade outfit.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Safari in the Jata Rade out it. Let's let's make
sure we reference this together, because I remember the Gatorade outfit.
I don't remember the headwear relling well enough to be able.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
To hold on. Yeah, go back and treat yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Okay. No, I don't want to wear it. I wasn't
thinking of wearing it like a top hat.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
There was no part of me.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
That wants to be able to lift the bandana and say,
good day, ladies, my DearS, be safe. There's a chill
out tonight. Have you read the evening news?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Just it that does you stay up? Maybe he does.
I don't know. The mechanics are being fresh.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Truman says we might go to war. Wait, so then,
what was that plan? What was it gonna be more
more like that that Frank Ocean bandana? You remember the
yell yeah little maybe rolled or maybe the old Jiy
(13:32):
rule like but but less triangular.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't need it to be like perfectly triangular right
in the middle of the way Joe rule.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Used to be. I I just after some bohemian feel.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, man, I thought I thought that'd be a good
vibe and I got the plantas, but I ain't got
the courage yet.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Not like this guy specific but kind of like this
is gonna sound crazy until you look it up, but
like a Bruce Springsteen type of thing.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Uh okay, Bruce Springsteen, I like until he starts wearing
it like a little collar that that's no no no
no no no no, feel like I'm not.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, that looks like a child cowboy.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I mean, like, yeah, I don't like when they do
that and Bruce Springsteen does that, and I'd be like,
they call him the boss while he's doing it, like
ain't no love.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Uh okay. Anyways, I understand what you're saying, because I
also just to full disclosure, I've tried tons of things.
I've tried rags and had been all of it. All
I got is hats damn man. I tried in the nineties,
I tried to push a pant leg up for a while.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Here's what I here's my dream and I'm gonna say
it allowed so that you both you and I committed
to memory and heart. My dream is that this podcast
becomes successful, that we both are willing to explore a
fashion choice that we've been running from, maybe our entire lives.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Let's go, Are you kidding me? I want long hair? Well, okay, listen,
we're like.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
No, no, no, this is a laugh.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
This is a laugh of celebration, not of shame. I
will not shame your dream.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Longer than I have now. I feel like dark skin dudes,
we all you get is a shadow fade. You know,
we raise or lower where the fade is at. Sometimes
you just don't fade, you know. Sometimes it's squared, sometimes
it's rounded. But I have it's the same haircut over
and over and over again. And I'm out in the world.
(15:51):
You don't think I see your crow fade And I think, damn,
that'd be have I just got some texturizer, I could
get it done. Yeah, I think I think that we
Obviously I've spoken to my texturize the issues on here before.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, I look, I want it for you. I believe
it would look gorgeous. I've seen look Kevin Hark, he
shows up with with the long little curl shit and
it looks good. He changes it up every once in
a while. And I want that for you too.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I want longer. To be honest, I'm like talking like
when I see everybody talks shit about it, but like
when I see jay Z, I'm like, I understand the
freedom that you're looking for.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I like, okay, but like when it was just going out,
I would like in the bandana too, because we could
be bandana boys. If you jumping on jay Z's bandana behavior.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Listen when I listen. Next time we renegotiate contracts, there
will be signs.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
You're gonna start saying some branded bandanas up on our
pretty pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
My mama told me bandanas would go hard. I just
I don't feel even in my head, even in my
head when I said it, I just am like, what
am I gonna do? I'm gonna put it on my
girl's dog, I'm gonna put it on Stella.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That's the thing is like, I don't I don't actually
know what I would do with it. If I'm not
brave enough to put the ship on my goddamn self.
But yeah, who knows, we'll see. I believe in us,
and I believe that that something will change our bravery,
our hearts will eventually crack open, and we'll finally get
to be ourselves.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Fully.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
That said, we we have we have to go to break.
But it is worth clarifying the actual conspiracy before we
do that. Maybe, yeah, because I don't know even know
that we've clarified anything.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I mean, it doesn't matter at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Okay, So we're gonna take a break and when we
come back, we'll explain to you the conspiracy we were discussing.
Because we didn't make it very far. We we got distracted.
That's not our fault, frankly, we we're just being ourselves.
That's your fault for for listening to this ship.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Sometimes that's the way the bandana folds. You know what's fuck?
You know how you know we're not built like that.
It is because we're saying bandana, not rag. We're already out.
We're already damn.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
What are we doing. We're showing up to the dealership
talking about I'd like to buy a vehicle.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, what if we were really with that ship. We
would have been saying flag this whole time. I can't
do that.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I ain't gonna say that. I'm on my business. I
live in California in this house. Don't fly no flags.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's a good that's a good point. But is rag
is good?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
That's respectful. All Right, We're gonna take a break. We're
gonna be back with more David, more likes than and more.
My mama told me, we're calling upon you because we
have we have new merch. We have very exciting merch
(19:34):
that we are now selling and it's it's fucking great.
We love it so much.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Just sleek, it's sexy.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Come on, you want to tell them what we have.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, we have three different types of hats, which is
really fun. We have a two tone hat, an alien
dad hat, the traditional logo in black and khaki. Then
we have the enamel pin with an alien who has
a coofie on it, since my mama told me. And
then we have t shirts that say proud little Mama,
which is who you are.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, you can buy the merch now, so ma, Mama
told me that merch table dot com. It's a brand
new name, but it's the same old merch, and we
would love for you to get some if you haven't
got it already, and we want you to have all
the sweet stuff, so get it.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
We think the bigger the booty define idiot. And now
we can convince her. She walks switching that big old
booty and all that it ain't nothing but dodo in there.
We are back.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Ain't nothing but do do in there.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Ain't nothing but do do in there, which is a
very ignorant statement.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
There's a lot of meat, there's a lot of other
stuff besides dodo, sir. And I respect, I respect that
whatever she was doing upset him in a way that
maybe he was speaking from a place of a and
not a place of reason.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
For sure. Hurt people, hurt people. It's like saying, the
titties filled with milk. There's some milk, come on, grow
up filled, No, sir, it's like a very rudimentary understanding
of the body. Because I get it, milk, milk, lemonade
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around the corner of the budget is made. But that's
we got to get past that.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
We got to grow up. We got to grow up.
We are still talking about the possibility that fashion and
the fashion industry is out to get us.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
What we should clarify is that this conversation was largely
born from job rule, questioning whether or not ripped jeans
jeans are still okay to wear, and it got me
thinking about an entire generation of people who were very
against whatever the current trend happens to be. For me.
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When I was a kid, baggy clothes were associated with
like drug dealers and violence and a certain like street
image that you weren't supposed to want to associate with,
and that, you know, old people shamed us and told
us to pull up our pants. And then eventually fashion changed,
and then those old people said, make those pants looser.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Why are your pants so tight? You're you're gay? Whatever
the fuck? It all changes, but the anger.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like when we were selling drugs, our fans were huge.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
What are you hiding the heroin in your butts?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, how are you gonna sell that?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Heirng We just used the cargo pockets.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Man. I will say that, even as you're saying this,
I think it needs to be acknowledged that we're both
we're both thirty seven. I think it needs to be
acknowledged that we did come up in the era of
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branded streetwear, and that was not an area of fashion
in a major way before that, right, Like, I feel
like that specifically black fashion, and I think maybe that's
more what I was speaking towards was was not necessary.
Things were not necessarily branded towards black people as much
(23:32):
as it was about finding a thing within the mainstream
and converting it and making our own, whereas in our
lifetime it was definitely comodified.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I think it was commodified for sure, which then
ultimately creates reactions from people. But the conspiracy sort of
is in. It's worth noting the conspiracy was born of
me questioning whether or not there is an intentional change
of fashion constantly, right Like, we're constantly being told every season,
(24:07):
this is in, these things are out, and I wonder
how much of that is an intentional manipulation of sort
of like public consumption so that people can continue to
be labeled poor or violent or any of the other
things that are associated with fashion trends that are not
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currently most currently of today. That like, that's how you
basically keep poor people in a uniform of what I
mean by changing the things that we wear.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
My push back to that is that the idea of
a uniform. Then that's the constant changing is kind of
like contradictive to that, right, because it was like for
that if that were the case, it would be a
lot of easier to keep things in the same vein
that they had always been as opposed to, Like the
constant changing is like a lot of young people, I
(25:00):
personally can't keep up with fashion. I don't know if
a kid does look like a thug or not anymore,
you know what? You know what I'm saying, Yeah, And
like we're it in that in that and that's the
nature of fashion kind of evolving so quickly, whereas it
was like you know, if you were a white guy
and you rolled up a pack of cigarettes in your shirt,
that meant you were a tough guy for like fifteen
years like that that I think.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But that's what I But that's what I mean is
that like when it was that for fifteen years, there
was less profit to be made and less ways for
them to identify sort of like themselves separate from these communities.
Do you get what I'm saying that, Like, for example,
when everybody in the country had to wear a suit
(25:44):
to work, it was easier to sort of like mix
in with common society, even if for a day, you
know what I mean, Like you put your best suit on,
you go ride the same train that everybody rides. Suddenly
everybody doesn't know what your home situation is. But now,
because of the intentional, like constant changing of fashion trends,
(26:07):
I think there is a way for you to be
able to like point somebody out in the crowd and
be like, Yo, that motherfucker ain't got the same shit
that everybody else has, and that branding, to your point,
played a major part in it.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I do see what you're saying, is like it does
feel like that is the capitalism of it all, Like
that idea of like you have to buy clothes to
prove and show who you are. Yeah, and that that
and that does keep you buying clothes where it's like
I mean, I think we're all slaves to it to
some degree and probably probably more than ever, right you you,
(26:44):
because like I do tend to judge people by how
they dress in that like, not in like a way
that I think it's good or bad, but I do
feel like I'm like, oh, I could kind of tell
something about you, you know what I mean? By the
one the close situation.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, And I think it's hard not to have passed
some judgment as it relates to the clothes that people wear,
and that's intentional. Like I think, like, in my opinion,
there's something rooted in sort of like the capitalistic nature
of the fashion industry that like they're one hundred percent
(27:16):
gonna figure out a way to like make something a
new wave faster than the old wave died. Like they
have to. They have to make us start being like, no,
you're gonna wear this. Think I bought baggy pants again.
And I've spent the past, you know, fifteen years before that,
like everything was tight or fitted or whatever it is.
(27:39):
And now I'm just right back wearing the clothes that
I thought were stupid in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Brother, I never laughed. I knew this would come. I
got a drawer full of echoes just in case.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
They'll come home eventually.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, they always do.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Go ahead, baby girl, cheat away.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I guess So, I guess what I had thought that
you meant, because I think we we're talking about it
more specifically for black people, right, And I guess my
point was within that is that I feel like a
lot of black fashion tends to be fucking traditional trends,
(28:34):
so that like, yeah, so that the trends coming out
are a rejection of whatever big fashion is doing at
the time, right, We're not even a rejection, just like
a modification. And in that I don't think that the
fashion industry can keep up with that or people like that,
and that they're kind of playing catchup.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean, I do think the Internet sort of
cracks something for sure. We're with the way that they move, right, Yeah, yeah,
I didn't it helps certain things. Like I do think
that kids today are way more fashionable than Yeah, helped
them quite a bit and then too, But like kids
today are way more fashionable than I certainly knew us
(29:19):
to be as kids, And I think in part, I
think part of it is just that they're constantly able
to see what every body's trying now in a way
that we weren't able to do. But on the flip side,
I think that that wave of judgment can still exist
for like people who don't play inside of those games,
(29:39):
you know what I mean that, like you, if you're
not fashioned forward now and you're just like an old
navy ass kid, I bet you still get made fun
of the way that we would have gotten made fun
of if we had, like a brand that wasn't the
cool brand when the cool brand.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Was happening, or like a fake.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, if you had the the you know, the infamous
poo boo uh sweatshirt, then you you got eaten the
fuck alive and possibly for the rest of your life.
Remember Oh yeah, I remember dadas fake fake dadas.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah. Man, it was bad, bro. It was wow, this
is so bad. Bro.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It was you don't even have to fake those, that's
not uh, that's not when the sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Depends on how poor you are. We got it.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
That's crazy, get it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And I knew it was. I knew man, it was it.
It's just like Chinese shoe store, like everything was faking there.
Everything was faking there. It was like is it deep
in Aurora and like a terrible strip mall, Like you
know the strip mall where the kid goes to buy
the goonies or the kid goes to buy the fucking
(30:58):
uh to go buy the ground. That's like where I
got these shoes at. Nothing in their fit right, And
it was like the box set data, but it was
just reversed, you know what I'm saying. So like because
you remember the data logo was like lowercase DS. This
ship was like lowercase bs. Oh yeah, I got about.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Half walking around in babas Bro.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I got about half three quarters of the way through
the first day in ninth grade.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Fuck fuck they figured it out.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah. It was at the assembly where all the freshmen like,
it's like these dudes from the football from my team
is I hate I hate watching you hear it because
it no, it was this is traumatic, man, it's fuck.
And people found it first. Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It wasn't even like, oh, your biggest hater founded and
you could like it was hot school on the wall
of like your your homies.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It was. I had a pretty clean canvas.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It was.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Between eighth and ninth grade. I went to four different schools,
so it was a brand new set of people. I
was I was gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
You just had to wear a believable snigger for one
day and you couldn't do it. You couldn't fucking pull
it off.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
And then it was And then it was sucked because
my mom was like, I'm not getting your new shoes,
so that I had to go. I had to go
back to the old shoes that I've been wearing all
some it was. It was rough, it was, but pressure
makes Diamonds one of the better football seasons I ever played.
(32:56):
Because I needed it. I needed it. Fuck man, I
needed it.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
No, I hear it, I hear it. I hear the
desperation still bringing around in your voice. That's it was
fuck brutal.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It was. So it's like one of those you ever
have a kid when you come home and you're like,
maybe Pussy's just not for me. That's how that's how
maybe you know I probably is not even ever, that's
never gonna happen for me.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Maybe this ain't my sport.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Was the only thing that kept me alive.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
No, I meant that metaphorically, yeah, not the literal sport.
Just maybe this ain't the way I'm the game I'm
supposed to be playing.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And that ship it really gets in your head. Because
now I can afford the clothes I want, I still
make some poor decisions. I have ought views on colors
as well.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I will say that this this like it connects back
to my theory about some of this, this sort of
intentional altering of fashion, right that like, to some extent,
we would all benefit in society as a whole would
benefit from uniforms. Like if we all just sort of
locked in on like a general vibe. It doesn't have
(34:20):
to be like matching colors and shit, but just a
general vibe of this is what your silhouette and clothes
should look like. You wear this shirt, these pants, this jacket,
pick your colors, enjoy your day.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
But that it is that it is that it's just
how much do you have an eye for it? How
keen are you it is that if you like? It's
like even from any given time, if you look at videos,
everybody generally dresses the same way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
But but I'm saying that, like there's something broken in
us acknowledging the silhouette is the thing that is fashion,
but then judging the price of the thing or the
quality of the thing based off it's its value, right,
(35:14):
And that's the manipulation. Fashion doesn't have to change, It
doesn't need to constantly be changing. It wants to constantly
be changing so that the value of what you're wearing
can also change.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I Okay, I see where you're coming from with that.
I thought I thought what you were getting at was
a more sinister, calculated directed towards black people type of
situation that threwards poor people, right. I mean that point
that you're making, I think is completely true. It's not
(35:52):
rich people who are buying sheen, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (35:55):
No, Yeah, they they are. They want us to be
death really seeking, you know, these sort of images we
see on television, and then they constantly change the images
so that we, in essence go broke, just chasing an
unwinnable game.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, which is like, but that The difficult thing about
that With things like specifically fashion is like, are you
brave enough to opt out? I'm not a very fashion
forward person, but I'm not dressing like I want to
completely you know what I'm saying, I can't like because
that is like a that's like I think you have
(36:33):
to be richer than I am. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
No, And again it goes back to the bandanas, right,
It's like there's a form of fashion that I have
not been brave enough to like venture into. And I
think that is the continual opting in.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
I still aspire to be able to look this way
in my clothes, so I'll keep buying more shit.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
That's very interesting to me because I always viewed you
as b and I always thought you were like a
fast not like a fashionista. That's like a demeaning terms
a very fashionable person. Oh thank you. I mean I
try to be.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
But I think there's a difference between being like a
fashionable like regular schmegular dude and like one of those
dudes who can, like I like, has an eye for
like trying something funky, and then that sort of like
is like, oh he can dress, but I think most people, nah,
(37:31):
you know, like he puts it, he looks good in
its outfits. But but there are motherfuckers who can dress right.
A part of me wants to be able to be that,
and I don't have it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I get that. And now do you feel like that
is because an unwillingness to buck the trends or do
you feel like, like, do you feel like that is
because you were caught up in this cycle that they
are perpetuating for or do you feel like you just
don't have the eye for it.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I think it's probably more an unwillingness to open myself
up for roasting right in a way that I I'm
it just requires a type of like I don't give
a fuck to be able to like pull some of
that off, you know what I mean? Gerrod going to
(38:23):
the Emmys shirtless with just the fur coat, you gotta
really like reach a point of like, I don't give
a fuck what part of me is showing or how
people respond to it. It just is and I don't
feel that way. And thus there's so many obstructions and
how I can view a jacket, a pant, a shirt,
(38:47):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Interesting? Yeah, I do know, I know, I definitely know
what you mean. That's very interesting. Do you feel like
what would it take? Because I think with the issues
of that, what this is, like, what we're talking about,
is how do we break free? Right ultimately? Like what
would it take to be able to achieve that freedom?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think what I want to be able to do
is learn to become a uniform guy, but like a
uniform where.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Like like a dog out any type of thing.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I got like six outfits and they're all so so
fucking correct to my style that like it don't matter
that I wear that every other day, you know what
I mean, Like people are just like that shit, he'd
just be looking good man. He just that his outfits
are so hard. He only got six shirts in his closet.
(39:40):
But they're all fucking five that.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I do understand that because even as a kid, I
always yeah, I remember being like in like fifth or
sixth grade and really wanting to crack it in the
way where it was just like if I could just like,
like I always thought about that. It's never happened, but
I always Well, actually there was a time from like
(40:06):
five to eight, yeah, where it was very easy when
when when foot Locker was doing the four T shirts
for twenty yeah, that because I had, like because I
worked a lot back then, so I had like twenty
fitted hats and then like two plain T shirts and
like every color a million white ones. And that was
(40:30):
probably the best I've ever That era was probably the
best I've ever done clothing.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
The white tea era for black men, I think, really
was a groundbreaking movement for fast and this again, this
goes back to my point to some extent about this
constant changing, Right, It's like the reality was white teams
became popular because a bunch of people decided they weren't
(40:58):
going to spend crazy money on like their shirt, they
could just look crisp with a white tea. Then you
can focus on jeans and shoes. Right, that was like
where the style came from. But as fashion high fashion
got a hold of that, then they started putting value
on the differences between buying a pack of Hanes versus
(41:20):
like having a branded white tea, and that effectively forced
people in some ways to spend forty five dollars sometimes
one hundred dollars on a white tea that isn't even
better necessarily than the shit that you would get out
of Haynes, but it is branded, it is kissed by
(41:41):
the ring of high fashion, and that then leads to
people sort of being left behind in the process.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think, here, here's what I understand. I think I'm
starting to understand our fundamental differences here within this conversation.
I have been left behind the Okay, never even crossed
my mind and.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Never crossed your mind that they did that or no,
it's not even.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
They don't have it in my side, it's not even
as truly, the top of the white tea mountain to
me is was and always will be the pro club
T shirt because the next stays tight because I got
a big, big ass head. But like, yeah, so that's
what it is. I think that like even now with fashion.
(42:33):
I'm really trying to stay as close to OA as
I can. That's a good summer for me.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Well, I I will say, and not to really seat
box this ship. I will say that even what you're
talking about in terms of size is an element of
how they sort of like can constantly label people not,
you know what I mean, fashionable or not of an
ilk that we want to celebrate, you know what I mean. Like,
(43:03):
there's a reason that these high fashion brands are not
making triple xl T shirts or whatever it is because
they don't want y'all over there. They're telling me, they're
telling you, and they can't tell you legally anymore. They
can't be like, get your fat ass out of my store,
(43:27):
So they just don't make the shirt that you want.
And then you go, you got a shirt for me,
and they go, no, no, we don't got a shirt
for you.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Get out. But that being said, it has caused me
to like not pay attention to the trends, and like,
I don't I feel like there was a time where
I felt very victimized. Is of the word because I
ain't bitch, but like there was a time where I
felt very under the thumb of whatever the fashion trends were,
(43:59):
and I don't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I think I feel less that way than I felt
in my younger years.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
But that also might be the confidence of older age
of you.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
I think it's a confident.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Having a little bit of money, you know, I mean living.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, that's the thing is, like I do think you
you reach a type of settled where it's like, well,
I'm not going to win the game anymore. So as
long as I don't look like I'm not keeping up,
I'm fine, you know what I mean. Like, I'm cool
with with being a little off and whatever y'all got
to say about it, say it, I'll be okay, right.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
I Also, I also am thankful I talk well. So
fashion is never my true form of expression anyway.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
And I do think that that, you know, we've talked
about it a little bit on the show. That it
does get weird when comedians become too sexy. It's not
good fashion shape, all of it. All of it makes
comedy worse. For sure. If your favorite comedians getting sexy,
(45:14):
then they're getting less funny, and that that feels almost guaranteed.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, if your com favorite comedian is hot, you don't
have a good sense of humor. Wall I mean, shout
out there's some good hot comedians there are, because it
also makes me sound like such a hater, and I
truly don't think that.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
No, there are some good hot comedians, but I also
think the best hot comedians, like true hot comedians, are
the ones that are kind of like acknowledging it and
playing with it more than the ones that are just
sort of like pretending that you don't notice what they
look like in an obnoxious way.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, also the freaks. I mean, I think the best
humor is born from being an outsider, and there's like,
I definitely believe that you could be hot and still
be an outsider.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, fair enough. Well, we need to take
one more break. We're gonna come back. We're gonna keep
talking about the fashion trends and the way that they're
trying to destroy our lives. More David more likes more.
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Speaker 4 (47:28):
I actually am one point four percent Nigerian African.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
I'm a sister.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Okay, we are back with that clip from Jesse Smolette
discuss in fashion. Here's a question I have for you,
truly and I would really like a very deep answer
fashion wise, yeap, what was your best year? What was
(47:54):
the year where you were like, yeah, I made all
the right moves.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Mmmm mmmm. I think the year the first like four
months of my seventh grade year. I feel like I
was really in my bag.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Bro, same before everybody found out Burlington Co factory was cheap.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Yeah, I think I was like, uh, I was hidden out.
There was a place called Value City in Chicago that
I was hitting really hard, and they, similar to Burlington Cofactory,
had like all the you know, the deformed fu boo
and fucking the ship that fell off of a truck,
but was still pretty good to me. And I just
(48:49):
remember like buying a bunch of outfits that like I was,
I was rocking. And it was the first three months
or four months because I was hitting them so hard
because they were great fucking outfits that eventually one of
my friends told me that the girls had said that
I was wearing my outfits too much like that. People
(49:09):
had been people had been talking, and they were hitting me.
They were hitting me with that he wear that ship
every day, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
That that.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
They were getting familiar.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Damn. That's a hard one.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Real recognized real and they was looking familiar and damn.
And so I think it was like around like December
that I was stressing because I thought I was killing it,
and I probably was, but but once they started noticing
(49:54):
it was fun.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Man. Now you got this ship laid out on the
bed trying to make new combos.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, I ain't never hit him like this before pieces
you've been wearing.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
That's devastating. That is devastating, I know because it's like
because I know, I know. I understand though, because it's
like that first day of school. You have, like the
first three four days of school, the fits already planned, right.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
You're murdering and murderer's row of gorgeous outfits first three days.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
And to speak to your uniform idea, you kind of
feel like maybe I could just keep this going in
that way, bro.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
The response was so was so good. We all liked
the outphit. You told me, your niggas told me you
liked this. Why would I not let you see it again?
We all agreed, like good outfit, I A. So that
(51:01):
meant you wanted to see.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
It some more?
Speaker 2 (51:04):
Oh man?
Speaker 1 (51:07):
And I was wrong, fair enough?
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Oh man. That is that is That's that's a villain
orange origin story.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Bro. I've had I've had a few. I've had a
few moments where.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
He wears that ship all the time. It's almost worse
than being Dusty, because at least in being dusty, there
is a there's a variance, you know what I mean,
There's like you can have a lot of dusty T shirts. Yeah,
we're in that ship all the time.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Oh man, Yeah, it's a it's a near an impolite
way of being, Like I think he's not washing his clothes. Yea,
and then that makes you a dirty person, That makes
you a musty person. It opens up all kinds of
cans of worms that that ruin your life in a
middle school environment. So no, it it was a low
(52:00):
low for me followed by a very high high.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Were you doing your own laundry?
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah? I was doing I've been doing my own laundry
since I was like, I think, like third fourth grade.
Speaker 2 (52:10):
My mom was like, now you're gonna same. Yeah, but
did you when I was younger? I was kind of
a few a couple of rough years where like the
wear and terror would show what you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Oh, that you were washing too much and then you
your little shit was wearing thins.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, a little too hot?
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Why is his shirt unron a bole?
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Now? It because it's it's just because I wanted to
be a pelly Pelly, not a smelly smelly but damn
seventh seventh grade man.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I really do maintain that that I think there is something.
There is a bit of nasty work happening as it
relates to the way that that fashion is manipulated in
this country. I don't necessarily know that I've I don't
know that I've nailed down perfectly what the full plan is.
I think some of this obviously is conjecture and speculation,
(53:18):
But I do think that the capitalistic nature of our
fashion industry alone is a sign of it being not
for the people.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
I mean, for sure, I definitely think that we are
operating at the speed of purchase more than any But
I think it's like indicative. I think it's all things right.
I think it's the way it's the same as I mean,
it's like it almost feels like it's an offshoot of technology.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Right right there. There are very few things in this
world that are not built to scam us at this point.
There's no sincere product that just wants you to have
what you have with out any up selling and trickery
cooked underneath it exactly.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
And uh, you know, what are you gonna do, be Dusty.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
What are you gonna do have somebody say you wear
that every day?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Not on my watch.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Come on. I went through that more as an adult
because when I first started comedy, I had lived on
a couch, So it was just like I would have
like an outfit per season. Whoa like like it would
just be this season, I got this jacket and every
Facebook picture. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, it's just that you're gonna see that jacket a lot.
That jacket is that jacket is doing a one man
show for the next three.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Months, Yes, sir, and then it's gonna get hot out.
I'm gonna pull out these three T shirts again. Fuck
you know allward and upward. Look at us. We survived,
you know longer. The dude who wears the same outfits
my dog dogs go the right way.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
You want to tell the people where they can find
you what cool shit you have going on?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
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Speaker 1 (55:58):
Old one is?
Speaker 2 (56:00):
All? Is it good? Will? I be there trying my
damnedest for your approval? Well, it was just Father's Day,
so I'm seeking a lot. Come find out.
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Yeah, go see David. Go invest in the Patreon and
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(57:04):
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