The Death of Aaliyah (with Laci Mosley)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
We prefer that people do not leave us just talking
by ourselves, because.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I ever done that.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
It needs would be more like, Lasa, you cannot talk
the whole show.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
This is not your crazy. We did the lives listens like,
why do you come out here attacking us?

Speaker 4 (00:19):
You were you were singing, y'all all. Y'all were very
nasty to me at the and there's no part of
me that's gonna walk that back just because you try
to conflate these two.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Money, I'll stand on mine.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
You guys were very nasty. I thought I was supporting
my dark skin brothers and sisters.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I thought I was there, said brothers and sisters, exactly,
you boys, because some nasty things were throwing my way.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I love.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Sing me a song moon cricket, Gee, I gotta, I
gotta hit the theme. So I can't have you just
out here talking like that.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
A Kuala bears are racists.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Money stuff can't tell.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Me poop of the scoop, scoop toddy whoop. There it
is there.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, little mamas and gentiles alike. Welcome to
another phenomenal episode. And my mama told.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Me the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets
of black conspiracy theories, and.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
We finally work to prove whatever the fuck you got
going on. If it's a lie, we believe it and
we'll uh sell it.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
TMU dot com will pitch it out to the world.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
We gotta get sponsored by people. I know, we talked
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
We deserve a good low life sponsorship.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
That's what I because I don't I don't need. I
don't want like a good one. I want a bad one.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah. I think I think the good ones always make
you feel icky in some regard because you go like,
I don't want to, you know, and now I'm supporting
this major corporation. I want to just I want to
support some dirt.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Bags, That's what I'm saying. Some real buy some ice
cube trays on team. It won't come for six months.
I want what I endure.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
We want a company that sells switchblades. That's all y'all do.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
What color would your switch be? I gotta talk to the.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
People at the company.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
I get a I get like a Bob Marley, you know,
half Bob Marley face, half lion you switch.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, I think you're thinking too limited because you might
sit down with these people and they have a booklet
like the like they would show a casket.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Where you get options that you didn't even realize were
options for switch blades. It might be for switchblades out here?
Are you out here being you know mean, making guesses
on who you want to know?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
You got me? You got me? I didn't think about
different animal textures.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Come on, gators can't switchblade.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Let's go, man, would you ever?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
What's the most exotic animal you would wear on your back?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
This is why we warned you.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
This is what I can do.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
No, this is.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
We will know. We plan to.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Plan to, we do, but then it turns in the
chaos really fast.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I'm sorry, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
We're so sorry our guests today. No, we have to
our guest today. She's phenomenal. She's a returning guest. She's
been on the podcast multiple times and each time she's
she's hysterical. You know her best from her own podcast,
Scam Goddess. You know her from her television show, also
named Scam Goddess. You know her from Going Dutch on Fox,

(03:58):
Whole Bunch of Ship, Stay Busy, give it up for
Lacey Mosely.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yes, louder in the clips.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
No, that's embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
It's like every time I'm trying to show a woman
and YouTube what you didn't really do?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Crowd you to hold the.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
You gotta put it in a cot.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know what, It's fine if you tried cute. I'm
having a beer. Thank you for having me back.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I really try when I go on the shows to
make sure that that's the last time.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Like they're like, we never have her back again. I'm
just doing as much damage.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
As you did a fair amount of damages last time.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, oh yeah, we were.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I thought it was a fantastic Wait, if everybody else
agrees you're the wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Way, not the way I live, that's not how I
like that.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I'm going to take that with.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
That's good, that's I mean, you're a free to believe that.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
But no, I love that.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
I've been taking a new phrase with me about living,
which is that now that I'm an adult, I don't know.
Something happened to me like the other day, like a
light switch flip, and I was like, oh I live
like this no more, and I just stopped living.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
How I was living was oh.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
My gosh, so much anxiety, doing way too much for people.
Anytime somebody woul ask me for something, I'll get a
panic attack, like running around working too much.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
You name it.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
This and the third and somebody asked me for something
that was like basically like co sign on our apartment
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is like closer family. So yeah, so I was family.
I'm not going at deep. I'm black. I'm black.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Oh my gosh, are you are you foreigner?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Are you? It's like, is the lamp swinging? I can't
believe you asked.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
You want to know if it happened on WhatsApp or not?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
No, no, no, hey, I'm not going out scamp back
some of the family on what spe Okay, that's right
because you got the people over the Yeah, omone Nigel.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okayan shout out.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
He's not he got that song though. Yeah, that's so
that's basically like.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
The best song.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah, it's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
We don't know that.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
We don't really talk about the other the Kanye one.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Kanye hit y'all with a real tough one to probably
sing along to.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
It's kind of a downer. He was kind of like
sha j Z was on the.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Remix, and that was exciting. That was exciting.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
That was exciting time.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, the song went up. I'm not gonna lie to
you if you don't have any if you don't have
any chips in that game.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
It is a good, great.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Song and it's someone from the dias. I don't know
where I'm from.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
What I tell you, I know I'm not from there.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
You know what I mean, statistically, probably.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
We don't know that Mama Detroit.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Okay, fair you really asking FU where your grandma's stays?

Speaker 7 (07:04):
Know?

Speaker 3 (07:04):
But I was just going to say, like I started
doing this thing where like if I don't want to
do something but I feel very pressure to do it,
or if I know I feel guilty if I say no,
I just start thinking like what if I was dead?
If I was dead, y'all have to figure out another
way to do this, right, that makes sense? So then
I just be dead for a little while to that situation,
and then they always figure right out, like do not.

Speaker 8 (07:25):
Just just resurrect myself?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's all over, but you can just you know, put
your phone in a different room.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
It really helps me to like envision myself being dead,
and then I'm like, I couldn't do anything because I'm brave.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's working fantastically. I'm not going to let it go.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I'm very happy for you. I'm very happy you're here.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I'm happy you're alive.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
We're happier alive. And you only do it as long
as you want to do it. You came to us
with a conspiracy theory, and which Olivia made made the
point that we've actually never covered her at all on
the podcast, which is crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Has it come up?

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I think sometimes we are a little protective of some
challenging conversations that you know that they get into some nasty,
scary conspiracies. We're excited to tackle it with you.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Definitely like it's a tight rope. I feel like I
can walk. I got a good ballace, you can' She's
a controversial character.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
You said, my mama told me.

Speaker 9 (08:43):
They killed Aliah.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
And when you say, you mean Robert Kelly.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Know when I say they, I'm talking about them. I'm
talking about them people. Okay, you know I'm talking about
the orchestrators. You know all the pronouns she her him,
they he as a collective, the group they killed.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
You know what was interesting when you said this, I
was thinking about it. I don't even know the specifics
of the Iliad.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Death like that, oh I do, because I remember exactly
where I was when it happened. I was on punishment
for not cleaning my room and so I punishment, I
couldn't watch TV, but I don't know where I had
like procured this handheld television.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
And then I had that.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I had popped the batteries out of my baby doll
back and I put them in the on TV because
it needed like four triple or no, it needed like
four double d's, and so I popped them in there.
And then I was watching TV under my covers in
my room, and you know, it's like the antennas, so
you can't get nothing but like local chance. So the
first thing when I turned it on was the news
and it was saying that a Liah passed away in

(09:56):
an airplane accident in the Bahamas. And so then I
called my because I snuck call my cousin, that's my
best friend.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
I was like, oh my god, you called your cousin.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Yeah, it was an emergency, like okay, grounded or not
like your parents, I can do.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
This is like our icon.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Well, I will say, I hope they ground you for this.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
I hope they I hope they're listeners. I pray to
God your parents are listeners, and I pray to God
they punish you for what you did.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
What was a woman?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Is stem what is talking about? I took them a
little Bessie West or whatever.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Is true that is. That is when I was on punishment.
I was just unpunishment. I never I never figured you.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Never figured out a way to not in a good way.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
I just really I really took that ship.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
My parents was doing too much. So I had a
level of the playing field. Okay, it was for dumb ship.
It would be like, oh, you didn't clean your room,
like girl, we haven't it. I'm not gonna okay.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Really I tricked her though, because yeah, so she was
like the living like cleanland nanny because we had a
few normally from Mexico.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I love you, think my mom, we could do it too.
But this is no before you.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I like that you don't want to speaks dels, but
but this is beautiful, I think so. So rarely do
we have someone on the podcast, a black person that
that has had a living nanny. That's not that's not
an experience. No, it's nasty, but only because I'm because

(11:32):
I'm I'm brain damage, do you know what I mean?
Like society has trained me to think that that that
is like it's not cool to say that, but it
is cool. It's fucking that's where you come from, and
that's so nice.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Industry like people love to like, you know, struggle grew.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
No, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
One time I did trick her because I had got
a whipping. That's the thing about my punishment. It would
be like a whooping. Then I had to open the
black history books. Have you ever seen those ebony black
history encyclopedias.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
I've seen. No, we did not purlopedia.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
The white people ones with their brown and they have
like gold on them, and we had the whole set
and I would have to like pull them out and
like read a bunch of chapters and then write an
essay about how at one point parts of Africa had
other parts, like another country in Africa had taken I
would say it was Ethiopic, and I don't want to
be wrong, but they took over Egypt like all the
stuff like that. I had to like learn from the
black encyclopedias. That's the time of get a whooping, and

(12:38):
I was grounded. It was too much punishment for one
thing we needed to I did that in the but
the Lords was across the hall from me, So I
got whooped one time.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I just made it sound extra bad because it really
wasn't that bad. But I was.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Because she snitched on me, and after that she cleaned.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
She thought she was doing the right thing, and then that's.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Not so you You made her believe that she may
have gotten you murdered. And she was like, oh, never mind,
all right, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
She also lived there.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, she was crying after my whooping.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
She was like, I was like, yeah, to Lord, you
funked up, man. But so because I was, you know, grounded,

(13:42):
That's how I found out about her tragic passing, a
Lea's tragic passing, which that I was. Yeah, she we
all Facebook together, So she keeps up. She's the one
nanny that I still talk to, like, she really keeps up.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
No, I'll see you when I see you.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, shout Lucilla. I mean it's years of time.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
I don't know, I don't know. I don't know the
game yet.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, but oh, I was what was gonna say? Oh
I just want to say this up top disclaimer. I
love Leah. This, none of this is shade to her life.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
No past.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
To get that out there.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
You know the girls, let's click that delete, but in
on you know your life, and I don't want that.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
No.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm curious to know you you are sort of alluding
to this. They them in the sky, uh, And I'm
curious to know if you have a specific angle on
who they might be.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Now we know they has to be somewhat connected to
the music industry. Sure right, Yeah, so they are in
the music industry. They have probably went to one of
that Take That Man's parties, you know, they looms around.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah, maybe they maybe they had dated Aliyah, maybe they
got maybe they maybe that's the reason they don't have
Rock and Fell records.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
They might be a prison already.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
I think I think it's it's it's always fascinating when
these conversations come up, because there is sort of this
day that lives for all of us. And when you
when you said it, I had a day in my head.
I'm sure you had a day in your head. You
have a day in your head, And each time I
think it almost becomes this self fulfilling prophecy, where like

(15:42):
the more that that person does wrong, the more we
go see on them as my number one suspect of
this ship. It's very It's always fascinating how conspiracy really,
uh it births itself.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's also one of those hindsight twenty twenty things.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
It's like if anybody gets proven to be like you know,
when when all the Diddy stuff came out, like you know,
there have been like rumors, but nobody knew the extinct
nobody knew like when it really started going left, and
so then there's all these people like I knew the
whole time, and it's like, did.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
You No, we all watched making the band. We loved it.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I went to Junior Cheesecake just because he made them
walk over that Braine.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I thought that best Diddy was obnoxious. I didn't think
he was a monster. No, I was like, nah, I dud.
It's probably annoying as fuck when you know, if you
got to work for him or whatever, but like.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Not dark triad personality.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I do remember right before that ship dropped. You remember
on tour I had that Diddy T shirt and you
were like, okay, last time T shirt?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Who neither likes it nor loves it, okay.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Said okay, you got it. Diddy seesn't even.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Know it's bad thing with no adjectives.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It was you got a shirt.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
It was away from that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I wasn't in a place to tell you to take
that off, but I wasn't about to put that ship on, yo.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
That's kind Sure you got that on.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
When you when you first heard about this conspiracy theory,
did you immediately or rather, when you first heard about
her passing, did you clock a conspiracy inside of it?
Or were you just heartbroken? Sad about the heartbroken?

Speaker 3 (17:44):
I was a kid, you know, but I love like
I mean, you know, we loved to lean out from Texas,
so you know, like the the young Icon girlies.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I was like tough on us, but I was a kid,
and so it was more.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
So just like we love a Lee and we can't
believe like you know, that's back when when the shows
with one O six and Bad Wow and Free and
the pred.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
His name is a j.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, did y'all know?

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Did y'all know those were wigs the entire time?

Speaker 4 (18:11):
A wigs?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
That blew my mind. I found out a few years ago.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I did not know that, but why we don't think
that was conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Theory that should have been on the list was high.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Why I thought at some point it was real. Apparently
like right from the beginning, this thing was gluing that honest.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
You know, Brandy Almo, he was wearing bright wigs, wow wigs,
because if you keep doing that for a long period
of time, you can't lose your edges, lose even with
dress like you're getting retwist like he was.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
But whoever was whoever did AJ's dread wigs was ahead
of the time.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
That was gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
The girls are just getting that lace technology now. No, yeah,
that's a conspiracy he had before Beyonce.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Man, where did he get it?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Where did he go was doing? Hey don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah, I don't think they looked anything. No, we have
some crackers and some body.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
That's what I say, and we don't validate. You get
don't want to six the parking me. You get your
car because you've got to park part you know, I
want to a lot.

Speaker 10 (19:24):
No, we ain't got no goddamn lot. Take the take
the two train man, right we're uptown.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
You don't address this is in the name hiring people
to give you the train around here.

Speaker 9 (19:46):
Here's a myth.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
What's what part time you come from?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
You get on the path to take the fast times square?

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, yeah, hey, put your hair on before you get
on that One man we photos put your hair on his.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
What do you look like without it? Though?

Speaker 1 (20:07):
It was just like a regular you know, it was
just Matt regularly.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
But that was the time when you know, we would
get home from school and we would put on you know,
the TV I want us to Park or whatever, and
we would watch the video countdowns and we would see
all Alia's new videos and stuff, and I mean, she
was killing it. She's beautiful and like all the movies
she had done. You know, we were so ready for Queen.
The Damn hadn't come out, yes, so the Girls wasn't
Damned yet, but we knew we were about to be.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
You know, there was a lot to look forward to.
So it was like.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Think that DMX was going to be in Oh yeah,
I did think Damn Max was going to be in
that movie.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
That's like a baron scene for me because I thought
he was in that movie.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
He wanted to like it for two seconds from what I.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Think he's in that Jetly movie. They have a movie together,
the grade. Yeah, but I don't know that he's in.
But he did write that hit song for the Bromeo
Mustache soundtrack.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
Yes, okay, because I know I heard song, yeah sacking
one Piece back in one Piece where she makes a
very reasonable request and he's like come, She's like, you
could go with your friends, just don't die, and he's.

Speaker 9 (21:23):
Like, what it is chasing the check like nigga, calm down.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Sometimes call you. He was reasonable, She was really.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Really nice about it, like you could go with your dog. Yeah,
go with the dogs. Take him with the party. He
was probably a.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Tough boyfriend, but she was up to you be this
global superstar and it already you know, has some huge wins.
So we were really excided. And so that was it
was a huge like loss. And then also this was
the time where you actually got your news from the news.
You know, there was no Twitter to check, there was
no you know, thank god that that happened in that time,
because lord knows, if that had happened in these days,

(22:18):
they probably would have had a video to plan going now.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
They probably would have had all types of.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
They are only like two or three like breaking news
moments that I've ever experienced while the news was playing.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Oh, like, we interrupt this broadcast to bring you a
special like.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Wasn't it in two thousand and one?

Speaker 7 (22:37):
Two?

Speaker 4 (22:38):
I believe think because it.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Was like nine eleven and and then I think she
went after it was that week before it wasn't that week,
but it was like which also in music industry, if
your music came out on a Tuesday the week and
not eleven, it didn't it was, yes, it was.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Right before it was yeah, but we wasn't bumping it
on nine eleven.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Who wasn't when.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Some of us.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Hold on what some of us grew up in the
middle of the country and didn't know what not eleven meant?

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Did you come get you out of school?

Speaker 6 (23:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Something out of school? Were you in New York?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I was.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
My mom came to my middle school. She got me
out of school. And then because the nannies always watched
like this, yes, so we were watching like mon okay
everything I was not.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
She was like, my nanny didn't come. He still hasn't
a school.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Shows up.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I was like, but so y'all were bumping the blueprint like.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Just the point the point I was making it is
more that uh. In in Chicago, I didn't grow up
with the sense of what the Twin Towers were way.
It was like an a you know, planes that crashed
into the Twin Towers, and they made a big deal
about it at school. But it wasn't until I got
home and watched video of it that I got a

(24:07):
sense of the scale of what this magnitude. To me,
this just felt like, okay, well, two buildings whatever the.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
First and then I got home in my my mom
and my stepdad were home because and they canceled football practice,
and then I was like, oh, I guess this is
a big deal. And then my parents were and I
was like, yeah, school. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
A girl in my class started crying when they gave
the news, and I looked back like bitch, stop Like I.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
Was really but I didn't get it, you know what
I'm saying, Like, yeah, I was just a mean boy.
I saw weakness and a person and I wanted to
take it down.

Speaker 11 (24:48):
You were like, was like, you grab at the towns.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
But you know what I mean, there's like Oklahoma City bombings.
There's no way y'all were sitting back like better take
my head off.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
There were just things that happened before these moments where
you go like, no, I know that's fucked up, but
it doesn't exist for me.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Even what you mean.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I love that you had that childhood because I was
watching the news all the time. My grand had me
on that Dateline ship like I should be like, if
a man tries to grab you, like you gotta check
it off. You just stick your arms out like this
and keep running.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
So grab a boy jacket, you got ship.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Yeah, activated.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I grew up with all types of paranoias.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's literally why my book starts with I went missing
when I was five l L Like my grandma had
me on the Daylight ship heavy, so I was watching
like I was watching news.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Too, because that is like propaganda b news.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I was watching a lot of Dayline, then a lot
of twenty twenty. But I think the scale of nine
to eleven is so large that it stops being people.
Do you know what I mean? To be numbers?

Speaker 3 (26:08):
And then it's like once you start to see photos
and you see the missing signs or whatever. But the
initial news of it, especially at our ages at the time,
I could see being like, oh, I don't know what
this is, just like a global towers fell.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
I also didn't understand the magnitude of New York of Manhattan.
I like the.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Population didn't say you was there, like you're young.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
It's like I just remember a girl in my like
history class being like, are we going to.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Go to war?

Speaker 4 (26:32):
And I was like, shut up, I'm the girl. It
was very I was very u war, very young, very
very young.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
It was about it was about the war.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
He wasn't just she was like, she really upset me.
She was like, are we going to go to war?
And I was like, because I'm from sier Leon already,
Like I was like, that's like the worst.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
That really scared you.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, Okay, okay, that's what I mean. Boy you I
mean blake.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
That's why we get along, means boys lazy. Before we
take this break, and we do need to take a break,
my question for you is how much, on a scale
of one to ten, let's start, are you fully believing
the possibility that this day had a Leah killed.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
I'm gonna have to rest at a solid seven.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Okay, you're you're pretty far into this.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I'm into the lore. We'll get into it.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Okay, so we're gonna take a break. Seven.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
You yeah, what are you?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
That's a great question. I think I'm I think I'm
comfortably near a seven. I think I probably would put
myself closer in the sixth range, but I it six
feels cowardly next to seven, so I'm gonna say seven.
I'll lock you with you at seven and on.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
My shoulder leaning down the scale.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
More than I am.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Where are you?

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I am one million?

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Are right back? Then?

Speaker 4 (28:03):
No, I'm probably like, I'm honestly pretty neutral on it.
I don't think I ever suspected foul play in the
death itself, so I think I'm probably closer to a four. Okay,
Like when it happened, I don't think I was like,
I don't think I was like they got her, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, Yeah, I feel like almost like not to conflate
the two, but like how long she was saying about
like nine to eleven being a child and not understanding
the scope until he was like older. I didn't think
immediately when I saw that there was an accident with
the plane crash with a leah, that it was like, oh,
they got her, like we knew they was after her,
you know, I was a kidd. But then I was
like I older, I know, people started flowing stuff around,
you know. My negro Shun though, was.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Like okay, yeah, I mean, I will say even at
the time the Aliah death was bigger than me than
nine to eleven.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, list, I feel like that's also like you're pin
twenty one person.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
You know you've seen this person a lot, versus like
hearing statistics on the news, which can feel like not
human until you know you start really seeing.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, but I don't. I don't want to like not
to love a shame, no worry.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Y'all are children. We're all children. So yeah, little mean boys.
We're a little mean boys.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
I was like fourteen, pretty much a man still, but
it was that ship was coming back Bendred Fountain.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
All right, we're gonna take a break. We'll be back
with more Lacey, mostly more. My mama told me.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I'm not gay, no more, I am desired.

Speaker 7 (29:32):
Yeah, we're not gonna let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
cut America's meet.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
That's dead on that, that's dead on that. We keep
the whole sausage over here. My mama told me, we
don't cut no meat. We are back supposedly, and we
are talking about Aliyah.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Aliyah. So one of the things that I found own
as a sort of jumpstart for this this conversation. I'll
prompt a few things and you will tell me where
you land in your agreement disagreement with this. But there
are some people who believe that Beyonce, jay Z, and
Puffy are sort of in unison responsible for Aliah's death. Okay,

(30:20):
the conspiracy goes, and this has gained quite a bit
of traction on TikTok apparently, But there are some who
speculate that jay Z and Beyonce in particular were responsible
for killing Aliyah, and that the background music for Jake
Coles she Knows was actually jay Z Sean Knowles. Basically

(30:42):
that instead of she knows, they're saying Sean Knowles, implying
that that Jake Coles somehow has like inside track by
the fact that last name exactly this sort of like
combo of the two. Others believe it could be a
reference to Sean for Sean Diddy Combs, Sean Combs. I

(31:03):
think it's the the implication, Now, why Jake Cole somehow
is sort of making this.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah, and then why would he make a secret song.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
I mean, he's a whimsical deep light skin, so maybe
he has some kind of tept in voodoo who do
that song?

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Actually?

Speaker 1 (31:22):
She does, like there's some kind of a magic around them,
around the light skins.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I feel like.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
If we're talking about the creoles, yeah, because you know
they'd be down like the voodoo in Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
But you're saying a regular old light myself, no magic.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Ready be doing the magic.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
But you might be tied tied to the magic though,
because you know, like all the black people ended up
in Chicago from the Great Migration from the South, you.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Know, we might be able to source it back to
the who doo.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
But I have heard this one about Beyonce weirdly enough,
like one of my older aunts would say that, and
I was like, you don't say that Beyonce did not have.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
A Liah kill. She was like she did, and she
was like, I love her, and she did. I was like,
I love Beyonza.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Air y'all not gonna catch me talking about Mike Wings.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
So that's absolutely zero for me, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Why why specifically did your aunt believe Beyonce to have
murdered Aliyah?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I mean, you know, I think it's the same thing
in music when you see like rappers like I'm not
gonna say that one lady name because her fans are
unemployed and evil, but you know that one lady with
the horrible fans and all the other rapper girlies. It's like,
for some reason, our industry is always just like there
can only be one thing.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
So I feel like a lot.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Of people look at Beyonce's career and compare it to
like when she was just breaking out of Destiny's Child
and thinking like, oh well, and Leah would have all
that stuff that Beyonce got if she was alive, And
it's like one person can't do all the jobs and
have all the songs and do all the things.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
So byes, I would have been Beyonce regardless she was born.
Beyonce the woman was.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
I learned how to like sing from musical theater, for
learning from Matthew Knowles, like he had him girls on
the treadmill singing.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Do you know how hardest to sing and run? That's
how you get best control, like she was always on BBS.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
It's very hard.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
So but because people like to find a reason to
hate on her, and she don't talk to us no more,
which shout out to her, I need to stop talking.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I think I'm the damage done. The damage is done.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, if you were planning on stopping, you shouldn't have
come here today.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, what all my lawyer after this? I have the
same lawyer to good play.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
I'm gonna be reasonable.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (33:28):
It's not going I did.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
See this is what's wrong. I'm just like the Apollo
and now I'm over here.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Coop did something to me, but I think rub it no,
but I think they was just hating on Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I don't agree with that one.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I'm not going to rule Puffy out of it, but
I don't think jay Z would be ace.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
We're trying to get Aliah murder.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Okay. Just my question would be if I had to
pick two out of those three or what what stakes
did Puffy have in it versus.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
That I've never understood? And that's what I really clear
about it.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
And he wasn't he was a late she was boy
and then once did he did all this stuff, they
added him to put more credence to the claim.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Right, the general sort of like explanation, and I find
it to be a lazy one. Is that Diddy is
is the is hip hop's Jeffrey Epstein and that like
he is sort of like the curator of all sort
of like bad behavior and pedophilia and ship and in

(34:26):
that way would would be like chess playing chess with
lives above us.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
But I mean, I think there's another man that we
look to directly involved with the leah for playing that game,
righting z No.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
R Kelly, Yeah, R Kelly. I don't know has ever
amassed any real power.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
And I don't even think it's because he didn't a
mass power. He was very prevalent in the industry. I
think it's because, I mean, obviously we knew that it
could read, like so people who can't read, we don't
really think of them as masterminds. I think like one
of the pri mister mine is like you have to
be able to like read. He was a genius. But
it's like you can't really be doing like subterfuge if

(35:07):
you can't you know, uh, read a for syllable word.
You can't.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
I don't know. I don't want to be here.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
That's not it.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
That's not.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
To send me.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
We don't know, ya.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I can't believe it.

Speaker 12 (35:37):
Wow, you don't validate by want to say for it yourself.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Basically when second part we could validate, we're choosing not to.
If you leave early, that's on you. You make your choice.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Oh wow, wow, I think.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
I think ultimately, what it's suggesting is that ur Rather,
what I'm suggesting is that did he has a master
level of like money and influence that we never actually
saw with R.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Kelly.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Like R Kelly certainly had the ear of the people
at a time, but it was never like nobody was
like and the five hundredth richest man in the world
Robert Kelly, Like he seemed like he mismanaged money the
whole way through it.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Right, you know what I mean, No, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
And also, I mean he was so dumb that every
crime he did he did out loud. Like you know,
we all know about like the gross relationship he had
with so many young women grou.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, I mean, he wrote hello creepy ass songs.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
He was literally just being like, I'm a nasty creepy man,
but the beat would be so good.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Everyone's like, oh, nasty.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Man, I like.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
It's a good song.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
He was sitting on the couch with her, and you
know what, like talk shows and ship like he out loud.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
They were loud with it, but the timing of it
was like, we hate women, so we too busy to
look at this man and thank god we're past that.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
We're so.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
We were a young girl where we were wed. I
think that creeping men being gone is good for men
and women.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, I think the one Yeah I wasn't stolen valid
at all. Friends off the streets, honest, I want to
be clear, it's not fixed at all.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
If anybody at home was starting to misread this.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Uh, media literacy is gone.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
I hope that was hate what you have to say.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
It's a joke now, my god, damns, nothing is read
no more.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Remember when we could just come on here and say
some crazy ship we didn't mean.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Much like And this is another reason I want to
say it's not there's stories about Beyonce where like she's
been in situations that have become compromising that had nothing
to do with her, you know, and she would be like, okay,
we got to leave, like literally hopping the car and
go like y or something image conscious. Yeah, anything that
looks shady like she was not about to be up
and under or around that, and I don't see her
as like she's so busy.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I don't see anybody.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
I don't see that get down at all. And I think,
I think, like.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
But I've heard it.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
It takes for success, working really hard, spreading on a treadmill, singing.
That makes sense to me that killing taking somebody out, doesn't.
I feel like she wants to get it the right
way to like she wants to be like, no, I'm
better than you all.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Now. While I while I don't disagree with you all,
I think I tend to agree with where you're at.
I'm curious to hear. I'm curious to hear how you
all address the jay Z of the conversation. Because we've
covered Diddy, we've covered Beyonce, everybody seems to be skipping
past the jay Z and jay Z as we well know,

(38:48):
met Beyonce very young, began a relationship with her at
a arguably illegal age.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Light.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I wan't have to turn my chair around like the voice.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Look, I'm just providing information that's been provided for me.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
You know what, man, this podcast can get so much
from today.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
This is what they said I was.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I will say that had had a pre existing relationship
with the Leo also when she was very young.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
But I always heard that he wanted to be with her,
but she was with she.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Was dating Dame Dash in a public Also, jay Z's age, right.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, I'm not saying, okay.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Is teath fell out of his head the other day?

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Come on, man, can we just have one man that
I looked up to in my teens with his teeth?
Can we just have one boy? Boy?

Speaker 1 (39:46):
The whole tea fell out? So yeah, he shouldn't have
dated a Leah. But the point is the point is
I am curious to know where you all stand in
the jay Z conspiracy, whether you believe it or don't
believe the.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
If we're speaking conspiracy wise, I would assume that the
play was probably to do the same thing with Aliyah
and it just didn't work out. So it seems like
he just focused his attention or something, right.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Like, I don't what do you mean do the same thing?

Speaker 4 (40:18):
I think it was probably like, hey, me and you,
you're all young, and then we come we become this
great thing.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Like like like like building a power.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but I don't think that
that I don't think that that led to him like
trying to get her killed.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Listen, that's reltigious.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
But I will say that I have heard that theory
a lot. There's a lot of theories around j Cole.
She knows songs that have to do with other conspiracy
theories as well. Because of the sample track this in
the bag, I forget who the actual song is by,
But I've actually heard the original song and it's a
little more like demonic sounding and slower.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, but it's such a great beat underneath.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
But you know, black folks, anything with the children seeing
in a spooky way, they were like, that's the devil,
you know, you know they up in the illuminati. I'm like,
I'm here to tell you if there is an illuminati,
I have not gotten there yet, and I've really been looking.
I'm like, how many jobs I have to do before
I get invited to like a mast?

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Like, how many more have to be sacrificed for you
to get your seat at the table. She is alive,
says you, I don't.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Know, like my Instagram pamas all the time? Okay a Spanish?

Speaker 4 (41:32):
It stands out, how do you say blinking Spanish?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Oh god, I do not remember.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Now, let's let's talk a little bit about Aliah's official death.
She dies in a plane crash leaving the Bahamas. Yes,
they were in the Bahamas. They're leaving. She takes off,
There are eight people on the plane. They make it
two hundred feet off of the runway before they eventually crashed.

(42:06):
She is said to have died of like a head
injury and then burned severe like burned. Five of the
eight people die instantly. Three people survive but then die
like a week later. She was like twenty.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Something, Yeah, well why is looking at that? What always
struck me as odd?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Two?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, it struck me really odd because one, they had
just shot another music video in Miami and then they
were flying to shoot that one. Apparently it was like
like a dancer just came out and did an interview
about this like this week. So she was dancing like
with them, because Lea wasn't on the plane with all
the dancers. Like there were multiple tiny planes that they
took to the Bahamas. Yeah, and she said she remember

(42:53):
walking up to the plane and being like what is
this Like Like I guess it was like, you know,
small and kind of like a little rinkinging, but it
was like multiple little planes and when they went to
the Bahamas to shoot there. Like when they were leaving,
they were trying to rush her to get back to
the States because they had, you know, some kind of
impending you know how it is.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's like go go go. When you're a young music artist,
they are gonna hold you.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
They're like, you got all the energy, yoursels are regenerating
every night. Then you about to work from dusk till
dam Okay, So the.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Younger in the industry, I understand.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Listen another club plane.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
So then so they were trying to rush her to
get back and she was like, I don't want to
get on this plane and the pilot and this is
where I don't understand because we are black, And I know,
maybe once you get the music industry into it and
you're rich and famous and it's go, go go, maybe
you start to take more risks. But if a pilot
ever told me the plane was too heavy, Oh you're
not getting my black ass on that plane. Yeah, that
seems like, I'm sorry, any any type of doubt you

(43:58):
have about flying. And these days the plane's coming apart,
so damn bad. I see black folks walking onto the plane,
like touching the size of the ship.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Before they walk onto the plane.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
You know, I have never seen more people read a
safety manual on a commercial flight than like, after what
happened in DC, happened with that. All your lines now
except for Spirit that's the one who's playing.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Crash out in the sky.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
They were like, hey, we might be in trouble.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
They don't crash on the ground, They crash out in
the sky and they land safely. Okay, But these days,
you know, a smooth takeoff and landing are not guaranteed.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
You really be like hoping it comes back down to
the ground.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
To your point, I think there are a fair amount
of examples, at least in reading, of people being like, hey,
this plane is not safe for travel, Like it wasn't
just like oh, she took off because she wanted to go.
Multiple people were like, hey, this plane is a problem.
And then the production and the everybody else around her

(44:59):
can being like, nah, we gotta go, we gotta go,
we gotta go, we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I read a bunch and I don't know if this
is true. Obviously this is a conspiracy theory, but I
read a bunch of that. They gave her a sentatives
like to get.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
In and relax on the plane.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
But if it only got two hundred feet, well, but it.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Was it was yeah, before takeoff, like she did not
want to get on that plane. Is what has been
a testimony that has been consistent, you know, for twenty
years twenty some years now, And personally I heard at
one point that there was like equipment on the plane
as well, or there's something that was weighing the plane down.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
The plane was just too heavy, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Seven hundred pounds overweight, yeah, and what it could actually carry.
And they they blamed it on the passengers and their
baggage because I think something happened with the original flight
that they were a plane that they were supposed to take,
and then they substituted it with a smaller plane than
even the original one, and then that one was way

(45:52):
overweight and they had too much shit or they it
was something either that or it was like they needed
more people on it than they previously had. Point being
seven hundred pounds overweight, plane falls off the sky instantly, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
It was. It was a fucking mess.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
But that always blew me though, because I'm like, this
is like your precious artist, and like you're throwing them
on a plane that I'm sorry. Anybody who's operating anything
motor wise. You could tell me a motor school you're like, oh,
it's not really safe. I'm not getting on it. You
can give me two roll to blades and be like,
I don't know one of the wheels. Kind of funny,
I'd be like, great, I'm gonna walk like I'm not
getting in any motor transportation. That someone who is an

(46:28):
expert in that field was like, I don't think we
should do this. So and that's the one thing of
the arrogance of being rich that I've never understood is like, Okay,
you need everything so immediate.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't need anything so immediate that I'm finna die.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Okay, I just imagine that I'm dead, so I don't
have to do things I don't want to do, like obligacious.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
I don't do that for true.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I'm not like I'm too busy to live as.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
If I was rich, if I made it to being
super wealthy, I would I would probably be pretty reckless.
I believe in God and all that I'm rich. What
are the odds that I got here?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Which I am the later I should be able to be?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
You were you really locked into that right away.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
That is that is that is profound, that's that is
prom that's like everything that we've spent our.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Lives being mad at. And you're like, nah, it makes
sense to me. As soon as it's my opportunity, I'm
gonna yeah, I'm gonna love that.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah, right now, I only have enough money or you know,
success to be like seven minutes late.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
They're gonna say you were pretty good.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Actually I actually was here. I was three minutes late,
but then it was like I was trying to get in.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Yeah, but like seven minutes is all you can really
do where I am in life, because like tenn is
too much. Just like what is your problem? You know,
like there's not enough lateness for me.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
You don't feel like you get in Los Angeles. I
feel like Los Angeles you get a flat.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
See. I want to still be seen as professional.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
So if you get attend, then people are like, wow,
they come at ten minutes late, seven, they're not really looking.
And by the time they look, you can pretinue already
in a building for at least two minutes, So then
it turns into five comes down to five minutes when
they show up. Anyway, anyway, like you like, oh, let
me run to the restroom you needed sometimes not in
your mind, I was on time.

Speaker 8 (48:12):
Yeah yeah, it was that black math for time.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Actually Okay, no.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
I don't like that. Okay, so those are shady, Okay,
yeah it was.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
He's really talented. He does a lot with his voice.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
He's like, moving on, moving on.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
So you it sounds like neither of you are very
sold on the possibility that that there were any that
jay Z Beyonce or did he worthy the day? The
Ultimate days? I think it was a tragic for this,
I really do you lean close to the tragic accident? Now, Lacey,
before we go to this last break and get into
the voicemail, my question for you is you you started

(48:57):
here at seven. That's how you introduced yourself to us.
Who represents the seven in that day? If it ain't
jay Z Beyonce did. And it sounds like you're also
not saying r Kelly because you didn't believe him to
be bright enough.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Dump it's weird and bad. Sorry, you're not even the
contention much for Brain's bitch, you're not gonna read? Okay,
you could kill a bitch with a air.

Speaker 8 (49:34):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Not eleven likes to came out again. Wow, that one goes.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
On for longer than I. Wow.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Wow, now did you learn something?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yeah, there were some other people who were maybe familiarly
involved in her finance and her music and.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Still are Wow.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Your parents, you know how your parents?

Speaker 1 (49:59):
We have a siblings, her uncle, I say that is certainly,
I merely and I'm going to finish. Her uncle is
a problematic figure in the the history of Aliyah. He
is uh, the one who held up her music for
a long time, who got the rights to her music,

(50:20):
I believe.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
And was like, sort of where are her parents?

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I think her uncle was her manager at one.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Point something like that. He was involved, Like.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
People weren't taking care of her like they should just
even to be as young as she was involved, Like
if it always felt like where a.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Family member be like an assistant who comes with me
everywhere when its coming.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
We were in the musical industry before you were You're
not gonna yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
But also you're just coming everywhere with you. It's like, then,
why is R Kelly warning a fucking.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
They weren't going everywhere on them tour buses and stuff.
They were not there.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, And I think that that I would argue that
that's also a type of complicit Oh.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
No, it's it's it's beyond I would say.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
At that point they were like, you're the same as
him to me, which is why I didn't understand in
the first iteration of that documentary surviving that illiterate, creepy
raping man, that they.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Had a guy who was like his main guy who.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Was in it, like one of his security or something,
the one who actually forged the birth certificate for Elia
so that they could get married.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
He didn't have He wasn't behind tho like black curtain hid.

Speaker 11 (51:24):
In a voice alteration, who was sitting here in four
K just telling these stories like he STI didn't realize.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I'm like, bro, you need to be in prison. Like,
are we documentary.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Say you weren't the one? People really let that slide?

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, memes of him? We were like, sorry you saw memes?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
What did you see? Accountability?

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Because I feel like that's regularly documentaries about terrible people.
They'll be like, and I don't know what I was doing,
and I you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I know, have y'all ever seen and we need to
throw to this second break, but but have y'all ever
seen abducted in plain sight.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, it's one of the most insane documentaries I've ever
seen in my life, where it basically is about this
this family and a neighbor who they allow you met
the lady.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I met the lady I podcast.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Oh well no, no, we don't get that dark over there.
But I was at the New York magazine. I did
a condinast interview for her because they made it a
television show, and so she was there and I was
there with the cast interviewing all of them.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
But I spent some time talking to her.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, but she she essentially strikes up the neighbor. She's
like ten. The neighbor strikes up a relationship with her,
even though there's like ten kids in the house.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
And he got kids too. The neighbor got kids too.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
He just starts hanging out with this little kid to
the point that she's having independent sleepovers at this man's house.
He's coming and sleeping at their house to be with
the child, and the parents are fully aware of it
the entire time. And after years of her them being
brainwashed and then abducted and like kept from her family

(53:05):
and then eventually released back to her family, the mom
had the audacity to write a book to be like, yo,
I too was suffering through this.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Well, the mom was looking up with.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
The dad was the man. It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, the dad and him had like a little diddling session,
but the mom is yeah, it was like a yeah,
it was like yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
But the way that it happens is like slow and insidious.
And the creepy man also had children, so it's kind
of like he would be under the guys like oh,
sleepovers with the kids. And it was a very religious town.
All the girls in the charge to know each other,
so it was very like, you know, it was weird.
But that back to your point of R. Kelly, you know,
talking about like how that happens in front of your face,

(53:50):
like imagine that creepy ass man. But then let's add
R Kelly spam and money to that. Of course he
was able to, like, you know, do all that ship
because people will, you know, it's a lot of ship
when they're trying to.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Look if my neighbor could make I wish, I don't
know what they could do to my kids, it would
terrify me.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
Yeah, officer, he's right, anything could happen.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
This nigga said.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Which is.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
I'm joking.

Speaker 12 (54:38):
My kids are saying, I'm gonna take care of you babies.
We need to take what we need to take. One
more break.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
We're gonna be back with more, Lacy, mostly more.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
My mama told me, and Boom goes to dynamite.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
We are back.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I thought you were gonna say more. You're just like, no,
we're back. Oh yeah, I'm not very good at it.
Still okay, Well we're back here with Lacy. We're still
discussing the possibility that a that a royal day God
got Aliyah, and specifically, it seems like you've landed on
an argument for yourself. Yes, in a familial sense, a

(55:30):
familial day, familial day. I I we we'd like to
maybe listen to a fan Voicemaian together. This is the
first time we're ever doing this with the guests, so
we have no idea how this is gonna go. It's
a new cigarette and we're calling it. I thought something
was gonna come.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I was hoping because I'm not really prepared.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
You know, sometimes you just like, do you ever let
your charm felt this movement? I was that was that's panicky.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
It's the second I thought of it. I thought of it.
It's a segment called Yo Mama.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Calling and uh we we all sun up a bitch.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Like on the phone. Uh yeah, I like your mama
on the phone. Here we go. H this is a
voicemail you've heard. I haven't heard it. I'm excited to
enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I haven't heard it either.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
All right, I want the.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Check in, d say, I'm jerking off.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Yes, I'm joking, David.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Why would you have because I hear that nobody else
wanted to acknowledge it.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
That is my fucking house, nobody's corners jerking off?

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Would you make us play with there'd be more to it?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
No, no, no, no, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
I mean I could pick another one. It's just what
do you guys think about that?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I don't like it. I didn't like it. You thought
was gonna be I love it.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
No, No, I needed to not be there. He did
not be the only one inside it.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
It was my first time doing this segment, and.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
Then I was worried that I was worried that maybe
I was over I thought that I was over judging
this person. We kind of thought you guys were going
to be like, oh, I don't think he's jacking off.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Why would he lie?

Speaker 4 (57:30):
I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
I did listen that, Like I heard him kind of
singing it, but it was so low and breathy.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Why I think he was.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
That's how you know it's real.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
But what was he doing that for y'all? Like for y'all,
I had nobody.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
To unpack it with. Girl doesn't want to hear it,
So you take it to me.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
You took it to me.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
I said, you a lot of stuff I don't send
to my girl. Likeston, I'm sorry you caught astray.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
It was more than one bullet.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Wanted blessed me and go that way. I just really
wanted it to be a p s A. Also to
don't do that. Please, don't you got to stop doing that.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I've got to stop. Are there more of that?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I don't know. I have not heard that, but we
certainly don't want to encourage that.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, it though, I feel like aaring it is encouraged.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
You think that's what he wanted. I don't think you.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Bet he didn't want that in anonymity. Yeah, I think
I think he wanted to know you heard it. Yeah,
I think you did, because I don't think it was
for me.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Now you're going to get so many at least pick
different songs to parody. Yeah, I thought that was.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
The best part about it. I thought it was an
okay song.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
So you liked that part.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
I like that song, you like, I don't want to know.
You never just do that around the house, Grosber. You
could do that with so many things. I'm making rice
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
It's like good a placeholder song, lazy. I don't know
that another voicemail is going to solve our problems. You
you joined us today and I think it was a
great episode.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Yeah, no, I'm sorry. I thought that it was going
to go on. I don't know what I thought was
gonna happen to be completely.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
You didn't know up at all, like I thought. He
was like, yeah, it's a really interesting voicemail, like.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
It was, think about it.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
You played it, you want to think about that to
come up.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
You're you're gonna be making Rice rice and.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
I'm jacking out. Now we're not going to sing. I'm
jacking out.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I don't there's not really anything to jack tomically. The
diddle situation for DJ Yeah, I don't call it diddle.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
You don't want to.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Be a fun word. I don't think. I think it's always.
I think you don't get to get away with that one.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
When I was in school, we used to do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Ma'am.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I don't know what what awful people raised you. But no, ma'am,
I don't put that. She don't say the words. I've
lost so much during this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah, Lacy, can't you tell the people where they can
find you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Yes, you can find me A D I D A
L A C I D Lacy on all latforms.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
You can find my podcast all about comedy, robbery, fraud,
Scam Goddess anywhere you get your podcast, and you can
read my books Scam Goddess. There's an audiobook available anywhere
you get audio books, and the hard copy books are
also available.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Scam Goddess.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
You wilar my memoir that's also pair of my favorite
true crime and it's all about robberies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Watch cam Is on Hulu and also watch Going Dutch
on Hulu.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah, it is, it's great. Most people don't have ship.

Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I get my audio books on Audible. Yeah I think
they're robbing me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
No, we're not.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
No audibles. Cool, you don't feel like sometimes you're like
why you got so many credits. I don't feel like
I paid subscription.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Audible is like a family member.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yeah, okay, yeah, that's just they're worried about you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Yeah. They said.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
It's gonna hit you up. Audible always gonna hit you up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
You know, find a way to hit me up, even
after I've been like Domino's, please stop.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Honestly, I feel like it's probably done more help than
the suicide Highlight because they really been hitting people up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
They're like you hungry Bay, when you feel low, we
feel low. They're like Domino's, we're here, we got a
new cheesy crust.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
We got you, and it's not it's the same.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
They said they never had the cheesy crust.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
I know, but it takes the inside, y'all, y'all ate it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Domino is well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Conspiracy theory had the cheesy crist.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Listen by Papa John's. I believe Domino. I believe Domino
is the finest pizza ever made. I'm a big fan. No,
I think it's I think it's phenomenal, the finest pizza
ever made. I'm willing to stand on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Okay, I'm gonna put one foot on it. Okay, I
can't quite stand on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
The Dominos is perfect pizzas as far as I'm concerned.
But but I also recognized that Dominos is perfect pizza
in the way that I think that like smut is
like perfect, do you know what I mean? Like it's
this like nasty things are are perfect. You're just just
the vileness of the human experience is what makes it human.

(01:02:51):
And that is why I like Dominoes. It is just
like the most base desires mashed together for my eating.
It is not a fine product. It is just the
essence of everything that pleases.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
He's too good at talking.

Speaker 9 (01:03:05):
It tastes, tastes.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
It was I feel like an unk just like appear.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
I like an just appeared midair. I don't know we
were not No, thank you say it again? Yeah, oh
but say it to the cameras, say y'all, I'm not unk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:33):
If you hate cops just because of cops, I next
time you get in trouble, carad cool.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Guy joke, Sady seven, Come see me in Dallas The
Dallas Comedy Club, April twenty fifth and twenty six, June fourteenth, fifteenth,
June fifteenth, I'm gonna be a little Field Brooklyn New
York come out. That's gonna be really fun. Patreon dot combat,
slash David Borie by my specialist is good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yeah, and and follow me on Langston Kerman on all
social media platforms. You can see my special's call bab Poetry.
It's on Netflix. You can watch Everybody's Live with John
Mulaney on Netflix every Wednesday at seven pm Pacific. Uh
and it's it's a really fun show that I'm happy
to be a part of. Uh And and most importantly,

(01:04:21):
you can send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories.
If you want to tell us Dolores is whereabout? Send
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(01:04:44):
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Speaker 7 (01:04:51):
No No.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
Greeted and hosted by Langston Trekton, co hosted by David Bori.
Executive produced by Will Farrell Hansani and Olivia Akilon.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
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music by Nick Chambers.

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