June 5, 2025 • 56 mins
Hey Lil Momma's! Here's another classic episode of My Momma Told Me this week. If you get your right ear pierced, does that mean you're gay? Langston and David sit down with Vinny Thomas (Platonic on Apple TV) about this fashion conspiracy theory. Talks of Claire's and how important location is when it comes to these piercings. Let's just say the back of the bus is not a good location. Langston shares a story about a regretful tattoo and we learn how Nancy Reagan really "tore it down" for Ronald Reagan and the rest of the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You don't gotta be cool with me, Vinnie, A fellow
jin Alpha, myself, me and my friend David, we also
hit that woe with the best of them, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, goes the fuck amen fellas, And I'm just like you,
you know what I mean. I watched Uh, I watched Monk, right,
I was right there with you watching Watch a Lot Order.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Was a great fucking show. Let's Let's have our fun
was a great fucking show.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm not stelling the monk. I love Monk.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You kids would do well to watch a little Monk.
Maybe you would n't act that way if you watched
a little monk. The government, chips in yours are racist.
(01:12):
The host, the money, OLTERNI stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I can't tell me.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Gold all in my chain, gold all in my ring,
gold all in my watch. Don't believe me. Just watch Nigga, nigga, nigga.
Don't believe me. Just watch there it is there it is.
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My
Mama Told.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Me, the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets
of black conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And we finally worked to prove that line. Ritchie was
only allowed out of his commodore's contract if he agreed
to adopt a white child. You think they were letting
that that that brilliant man's money go back to a
black baby, to the black community. Absolutely not. We're making
(02:10):
that white money again. It's the only way you're getting
out of this commodore's bullshit is make this some white money.
And that's what they did. I'm like Stin Kerman, I'm.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
David boy, and I've never been more proud to call
you my co host.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's Julie. What other explanation is there? Just two black
people adopting a white baby and being like, Yep, this
is what we got going.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's I've only ever even heard of it on your
television show south Side. I've never even heard of it,
and I know a lot of fucking freaks.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's a bald choice, even for a very rich black
man to be like, I'm gonna get a little white
girl and keep her.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Man?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Okay? Here's would you do it? That's I think how
we need to open this. Would you guys do that? Wow,
that's a tough question. Would I adopt a white child?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I would adopt the right kind of white child. I
would adopt, I would say Greek or Italian. I would
adopt white child.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Okay, I like that. I think Greek sounds nice, a
little a little stoppy running around.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
That seems nice. But if you get an Eastern European,
he could still ball.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Oh get you a Luca.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
True.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And I don't know the prices of babies racially, but
prices I would maybe not be crazy insane. Then you can.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm gonna be honest. The Eastern European same wholesale to me,
they same, you know what I mean? It seemed like
there's no mark up. You just hit them for what
they're worth. And and that's a deal. Anywhere you go.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think you're play a dangerous game. I think you
have a fifty to fifty chance if you adopt an
Eastern European person they're going to be a vampire.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Because that's the worry that man, right two minutes in,
you're already tracking. That is the worry.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
They're calling you Papa, and they're biting your neck, and
now you're in trouble.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah I got you, but now I got a vampire
on the team.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Oh you're saying you can, you can weaponize this vampire.
You can make them into into something else.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I mean, I'm saying that he will have a love
of his father that will propel him to help his
father out when his father is in need, much like
all of you.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
When are you going to be in need of a vampire?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Bro? Hey, I's coming around. I don't know what's about
to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Fair enough, you're imagining kind of a dexter situation where
trainer mom.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Child whoas First of all, you're putting these labels all
my boy, we agreed on vampire.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
We agreed on vampire, and I think that qualifies as monster.
I'm here with Vinnie. I don't we should introduce our guests.
We haven't even bothered introducing him. We immediately launched into
speculations about the prices of white babies and vampires. But
but our guest today is so funny. We're both big
fans of his h He's a comedian, he's an actor,
(05:33):
he's a writer, and you can see him currently on
on Platonic on Apple TV plus. Give it up for
the hilarious Vinnie Thomas.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Everybody that was more ominous than it felt.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It was just they told me to expect sounds, and
I still was not prepared, I think, emotionally, spiritual, or
physically for a sound to occur, and I'm going to
do that in the future.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's the hard part. It happens at any time, and
there's no real way to prepare for that feeling. We
grow when we're uncomfortable. Venny, we're excited you're here. You
came to us with the conspiracy theory that I actually
(06:21):
was surprised we had never covered before. It's such a
it's such a formative conspiracy theory. I think in my
childhood that I almost think I overlooked it because of
how much it felt ubiquitous with my own upbringing. But
you said, my mama told me if your right ear
(06:42):
is pierced, that means you're gay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
True, that's all true. Everything used that is true. I
think by the time I was in school well that
that conspiracy theory it was starting to kind of drift
away a little bit, right, But there's always that thing
in the back of your head is like which year
is a homosexual ear? Which year is the heterosexual ear.
(07:11):
Ultimately I could not remember which is which?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So which when? Maybe is the gayest thing you can do?
Not remembering that mean.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
For Yeah, one thing about gay people is we have amnesia?
Was gay? Oh my god? Yeah, dorry from finding Nemo,
lesbian fish, short laws. This is all try.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So my question is first, because I know we all
heard it. Did you guys believe it? Vinnie?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I'll let you answer that first, because I do have
an answer. I don't want to override.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I don't know if I believed it, but I still
was terrified of getting one ear pierced versus the other
because I wasn't sure which was which. You don't believe it,
but you do trust that other people will believe it,
perhaps people who are bigger and stronger than you. And
I think that alone is still the kind of belief.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I feel almost exactly the same. I didn't believe it
for a second, but I was like, all these niggas
do so who am I? Who am I to jet
against their own research? Yeah, I'm gonna make sure I
get the correct one pier so that no associations.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, are not the smart who inherit the earth. It's
the brutal and stupid and they make the decisions.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Bory, did you believe it when you were a young lad?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I think I believed it in the way that I
believed a lot of things. I was told of this
like of this kind of type where it's like maybe
there's something going on that I don't know, you know
what I'm saying. I was like, I don't know what
they do that could be. Like I didn't have my
ears pierced. It definitely wasn't something I was like worried
(09:07):
about either way. But I think that I thought that culture.
Maybe it's culture, you know what I mean, Maybe there's
like the story behind it. But I thought that I
thought that. I definitely think I thought it came from somewhere.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I will say I I was not out in school
and I didn't have my ears pierced at all because
my parents thought piercings were disgusting. They still do, I
don't know what about piercings and tattoos and still kind
of a visceral disgust in their minds.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Oh you know, you don't mean disgusting in like a
shameful way. You may literally like I think there's a gag. Yeah,
it truly.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It produces a sound in them that is like a
kind of scoff like who kind of like a you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Are your parents a what older, No, but.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
My mom My mom is white but Italian white, and
her mother is from Italy, like the old country, and
so there's a lot kind of wrapped up in there.
I guess my dad's a military guy, so I think
any kind of departure from you know, having regular ears
was was weird for him. But I did get one
(10:17):
of your peers. It wasn't the right one, guy, but
I did get one of your peers.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Still blew.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I still blew.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You me, bro brother. We both the piercing. I did it.
I guess I U, in theory, chose correctly for myself.
But that said, it all was very rooted in a
fear of like, yo, I hope I don't get made
fun of.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, here's the thing. When I went to get a pierce,
I went with a friend and he got his. He
got his right ear piers and I got my left
ear piers because we weren't sure which is which and
we wanted to cover the bases.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
That's you know what I mean. That's in saying.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
That's genuinely insane for y'all not to like call it
off that day and go check and just be like,
I'll do one you do the other.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Good luck. My nigga is crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
One of us was gonna be right. You understand, one
of us was gonna be right.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
That's beautiful kind of.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
That's the closest thing to homophobic Russian roulette I've ever
heard in my life.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And as a direct result, I'm gay.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
And that is what happened that day that Claires A
lot of people think you're born with it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That you just said Claire's was really fucked up? Was
it not a Claire's I didn't get my ears pisthetic.
I'd be terrified. Let when they used the same whole
punches that they used to like punch tags and Heffer's
in their farming. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I got bad news. I'm a Claire's man, through and
through that. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Claire's gay, Claire's get Claire's gay.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Claire's get the money dog.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You let a teenager stab through your ear and Claire's.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Stab it was. It was a little gun that they
put to your ear with a person who clearly doesn't
know how it's worked. It works, or it could not
replicate the same hole even if they wanted to.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
It was.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It was a huge mistake. Of course that's not the
right way to do it. But but I'm of a
generation where I think I'm thirty seven years old, we
didn't have the option to go anywhere professional You went
to Claire's or your mom wasn't gonna take you anywhere
at all.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Your mom took you to get your ear peers.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
She was a nice lady.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I do feel like, and maybe this is this, there's
part of this. It's like just a lack of awareness.
But I do feel like when I was young, there
were not nearly as many places specifically to go for piercings. Like,
I don't feel like it was always the tattoo piercing
shop combo type of thing. So I do feel like
there was Oh yeah, I do feel like there was less.
(13:10):
I do feel like there were less places to go
to get it pierced.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, and you, if you were a real man, you
went to players and you pre did.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
It on the bus.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If you were you pretended it wasn't a business filled
with children's jewelry. You you acted like you belonged there.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Did y'all have those friends who did it themselves, who
like they heat it up a needle with a fire
and like stuck it through. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
they had terrible infections. Every time I hear someone tell
me about that and they're like, I was oozing. Afterwards,
I'm like, what the are you talking about? You were oozing?
They were like affected that. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Brother, If your ear looks like it makes a ninja turtle,
you did something wrong. That's not how it's supposed to go,
you know, if it makes so. So, you obviously bought
into the the stereotype. You bought into this conspiracy theory
(14:12):
despite what ultimately ended up being. You ended up being
a queer person. Despite that. Do you feel like there
were ever were there people in your life that ever
told you otherwise? Was there ever a brave soul who
stepped up and was like, Vinnie, that's silly. Be who
you want to be, pierce whatever ear you want to pierce.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, absolutely not. Sometimes. I mean I had an older brother,
do you know what I mean? I would talk about
piercing my ear and he'd be like, you better make
sure you flip the coin the right way. Dangerous game.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Again, it does not have to be a coin flip.
You could have just researched.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
With someone else and you each have to get one.
That's the way it works. Research, there's there's there's no
way to know. Yeah, I didn't have anyone who was
actively like fighting against it. I feel like it just
wasn't as ubiquitous. I feel like this is a very
nineties conspiracy theory, kind of a nineties early two thousands conspiracy,
(15:18):
and it's it's since started to trail off because now
I feel like young guys they got. Young guys now
are guys who would have been considered very gay, like
back in the day in school, you know what I mean.
They got like, yeah, mushroom haircuts and dangly like cross
earrings and stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
So my little brother wears two dangling earrings.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah. The stress I would have had wearing this colored
shirt throughout most of my childhood was brother so heavy
before Cameron Frida's Yeah, I would run fusia, my nigga,
Do you know what I'm walking into with this?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't have the strength. Better be a goddamn school color.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
We better be fighting fusion tigers or absolutely.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
You know what's funny to me about this conspiracy is like,
what a terrible signal if it was? Because I always
thought about it as it was trying to keep like
that like a secret society type of you know what
I mean, Like it was he was supposed to be
a secret signal.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What a terrible signal?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
What I think You don't think it's a great signal.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
No, we It's like if you're trying to keep something.
See I could just look at your face the first
thing I look at and be like, oh, he's good.
Like it's not you know.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
What I mean, It's not like here's why I thought
it was a better idea. Maybe this is my own stupidity.
It always takes me a minute to remember which ear
is left and which ear is right when I'm facing somebody.
So it's like, ah, you got to sit there and
do math, and after you don't want to finish the math,
so you just ignore it and you move on with
(17:13):
your life. Absolutely, it's like, oh, it's subtle. It's very subtle.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I feel like this has to have come from gay
people in I don't know, the seventies, maybe earlier than that.
They had they had a language, they had secret little signals,
and it was you know, it was gay years. It
was the hanky code. It was all of this that
now is impossible to understand. Like to me, it doesn't
make any sense. But back then every homosexual had to
(17:39):
be like a Navajo code talker and to have like
a secret breakdown, like some hidden dialogue. And now it's like,
oh shit, you guys aren't hidden at all, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, grinder used to be. You just got to break
a branch off of this tree and walk into the
alley wait for somebody to notice.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
It is interesting you said the hanky code, because I
remember when I first moved to San Francisco that was
like a big thing, but it was forever. It was
like the color and the placement said what you were into.
But I knew a lot of very boring people who
also used it, like they really co opted that.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, some people with the hanky code. I don't think
you need a hanky for like missionary and eye contact,
you know what I mean? Like that?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, there's something nasty with this. What are you doing?
Did I I'm curious to know how much you felt
like something like this slowed your ability to finding your
queer self, to fully coming out and feeling sort of
(18:54):
settled in whoever you are, despite you know, the right
or wrong ear piercing quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
You know, I don't think the the ear piercing. I
don't think the ear piercing slowter. I think it was
an eventuality that I was gonna get my ear pierced,
you know what I mean. Ultimately, I do think it
was destiny. And at the end of the day, I
don't know if I don't think I ever absolutely believed it.
What you're afraid of is other people's reaction to it,
not necessarily the thing itself. I think it was more
(19:23):
afraid of having a hole punched in me, which on
the face of it is a completely ridiculous thing to
do for what so you can stick something in there?
It doesn't even make any sense, do you know what
I mean? Human behavior is just kind of odd to
begin with. Yeah, I think it was more scared of
getting my ear pierced than being perceived as a gay
guy with his ears pierced. And no, I don't think
(19:45):
the ear pierce theory had any effect at all.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, that's nice. There's something nice that it didn't nice. Yeah,
it is because you fear that like this is somehow
an inhibitor to people sort of being able to to explore,
to find themselves as it were, and so like, hell yeah,
if if, if a bunch of the deeply rooted homophobia
from the eighties and nineties did not break anyone's brains,
(20:12):
I take solace in that. That makes me feel warm inside.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh damn, come on, s all right, I want to
be ampho again, protect myself because.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I'm also a coward. All right, We're gonna take a break,
and when we come back, we're gonna talk more ear piercing,
right and wrong, right and left, whatever you want to
call it. Uh, And it's more of any Thomas more.
My mama told me.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Back it on up to our conversation about piercings left right, gay, straight,
who knows? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Who knows? Who cares?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
That?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So your parents are disgusted by it? What was their
reaction upon uh saying that you had gotten your ear pierced?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
First of all, I just like to acknowledge David's left right,
gay straight who cares, which truly sounds like an RFK
Junior campaign's logan.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
But I say it with a shitty voice and we'll
buy in. Then I'll listen to God.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I think they've they've they've calmed down a lot I
think it was when we were kids. They were very
like their reaction to every now and then my brother
or I would float the idea of getting a tattoo
or getting a piercing, and my mom would be like,
why would you Why would you do that? Why would
you mar your skin? And since then my brother's got
like he has a giant half sleeve. And now I
have my little hitty bitty piercing, which I think they
(21:56):
use for like babies or something that's the smallest think
in the world. I have one of those hearts that
you give, like like you give a baby a year
after it's.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Born, like, yeah, we don't know who you are yet,
so here's something to remind us that you're alive a.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Little place older. Now they've chilled out, I think, yeah,
I think they're cool enough with it now. I think
if I asked my mom she would she would definitely
prefer it. I didn't get it, But what do I
care about her? He's not a gay guy.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Let's go Bory. Do your parents give a ship?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Does your mom? Is she an advocate? Is she anti?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Where is she?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Oh? No?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Shed all? Which is funny because now I'm thinking about it. Yeah,
I would have made no difference. So I don't know
what I was worried about.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
As far as her judgment would have made because you
wanted to do it or no.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
There's like, there's other fashion things I could have done
that she would have been a lot more upset about
out than the gay.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Year, Like what kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I don't know, man, just like going out being ashy.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
She hates that.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
It's just that's not really, that's not really it was.
It's not like to be well presented.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
The classic fashion taboo. Being ashy is what she'd be
upset about.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Not you know, sometimes I'll go to the beach and
I'm just ashy on the right side to let them know.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
The right.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
That means I want to have sex in the water.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah, it's it's an adapted hanky coade. Really, Yeah, as.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You on the right with a gray hanky also on
the white side the ocean. I feel like there are
worse things I could have done, Like I think an
earring is so tame. I feel like it's a kind
of surgical invention, and on the scale of surgical invention,
like I could have gotten insane lip fillers that make
it so your upper lip can't move you know what
(24:03):
I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Or like what are people doing now to getting their
bucle fat remove and they look like corpses. I could
have done that.
Speaker 9 (24:12):
You know it's your buckley, the bucle fat fellas fellas
you bule fat yeaes right here on your cheeks and
people are getting it sucked out so they look like whoa.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, you're just handsome squid word all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, handsome squidword face. You get it sucked right out.
I don't know where they put it.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Whoa, it's none of that's no, that's nobody, none of
my business.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Where they put it.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
That's hippa. You don't violate that. Now you take it out,
we talk about it. But if you where you put it,
that's hippa. But yeah to all that, my mom would
be much more angry about that. What about you? Uh No,
My mom literally took me to go get my peers
saying my mom can for me to get a tattoo
(25:01):
when I was sixteen, which was a massive mistake, like
and remains stupid on my arm to this day.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Tattoo, what does it say? Like hustle, hustle?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Okay, you want to hear how bad of a choice
I made. I've never told this story before.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
This is this a Kelly?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It is. It's a big old picture of R. Kelly
and it says, no matter what he does, I'm a fan. No,
it's so my first tattoo. I used to do performance poetry,
and I for at sixteen years old, was playing with
the idea of going by the stage name language Arts.
(25:41):
You know, Langston, Langston becomes language Arts, I swear to
God and I I then went to arguably the most
amateur tattoo artists in all of my community, and I
(26:04):
took my step father, my then stepfather's drawing of a
microphone that then the microphone chord turned into writing that said,
you guessed it language And I took it to that
amateur artist and I said, put this as big as
you can on my on my right arm police And
(26:25):
boy did he.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I didn't. Devil's Advocate.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You can get behind that, bro, I assure you you can't.
It wasn't done well enough. It didn't look cool, you
know what I mean, Like all of it was a
mistake in every way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You gotta go to the right places, you gotta find
and grow sees that and she's like, you know, I
could speak a language.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yo. I surely had a bunch of God hearing women
around me who were like, you, you should not have
done this, sir. This is not gonna make us fuck
you at all.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
God language sounds like a woman at church telling you
not to swear. It just it sounds like a warning.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
It was like a last name.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
It was also I really thought I was doing something,
you know what I mean, Like I really thought I
was like no, I.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Thought, process though, is the thing I see where it
like if it was just a little too far over here,
if it was just a little back, it would have
been the coldest shit ever.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But when I was a kid, when I was in
high school, I saved up enough money to get a
class ring and I wanted to get the word kraavi
written on the side, which is like Latin for I create.
But I get the ring. The letters are so close
together it looks like cream. I said. So I saved
(27:58):
up all of my need to get this ring and
it looks like it says cream aside and I couldn't
wear it. The first thing, my friend said, friend Gustava,
he looks at it, he goes, what does cream. Mean, what.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
The fuck are you talking about? Talking about this is Latin.
I create. I'm an artist. She's like, Nah, that's cream, dog,
that's cream. This cream get the money because if not,
you're weird as fun.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, Cream King of Eastern Colorado was.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Damn the Cream King. We got to add that to
your intro. Episode is over. He's locally known as the
Cream King of East Colorado. I did a little bit
of research Cream King that I'd love to go. We're
with you, Phil Reid to agree with the disagree with it. Truly,
(29:06):
none of this means anything. But one of the things
that there was a quote that I guess I had
never heard the official quote, but I guess the official
slogan for this was left is right and right is wrong.
I don't know if y'all ever heard it. Phrase so
sort of eighties succinctly, but that was sort of the
phrase I guess said circulated around this theory.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Wait, can I ask did you read did you read
the same querity article where there's like there's a guy
on a bench holding a rainbow flag in his faces
collapsed into his hands. Because I looked up just as
a preliminary thing, I was like gay Year, you know,
(29:47):
and the queerity popped up. One of the first pictures
is this guy holding a little rainbow flag in his hand.
He's sitting on a bus bench like this, and it's
one of the funniest things I see.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I did not see that, but boy, do I want
to please send it to us, because my God, does
that What a silly thing to be, like, we're gonna
show a gay person, but they're not having fun with it.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
All.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
The point the left is right and right is wrong
was supposedly the the slogan that was circulating, and the
theory took the rise took its rise in the eighties
and early nineties, which is sort of odd. A more
recent study shows that a list, a company that sort
(30:35):
of tracks online shopping behavior, says that men getting ear
rings rose by one hundred and forty seven percent from
twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. So we're seeing
a massive uptick compared to what I guess generally generationally
it used to be.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Did y'all ever hear that it might have started in prison?
I feel like everything where it was like mighty gay
was it's like, oh, someone would make up a myth
where it started like when people would sack their pants.
They're like, you know what that means, he's actually receptive,
and I don't. I don't actually know if that's true
at all. I think maybe you.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Just made that up.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, I think that's just the deep, deep fear that
you're associating with another deep deep fear. You're like, I
don't want to go to jail, and I gotta find
ways of making it so that everything could send me
to jail or make me jail gay whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I also it's kind of weird to me that the
right side is the wrong side in this context because
this I feel like the left side is traditionally that's
the bad side, right, Like I didn't go to Catholic school,
but then people in Catholic school used to get their
left hand beaten if they used the left hand, because
that's the devil's quadrant. Is the left part of your body?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
As a lifelong leftie, yes, ah no, that doesn't makes sense. Yeah,
I'm much handed.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
They tried to teach me how to write write.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Oh, they like really tried to fix you.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah yeah, yeahma. My mam had to come in and
be like you're a stupid person. My genius baby boy
is left handy. He's gifted, he's brilliant. I think they
were just really, really well, they were really willing to
crash out on the idea of like, I don't know, man,
he's eating glue, he's trying to write with his left hand.
We got to get him out of here.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I got you. It was that you were writing brilliant
sonnets with your left hand.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
You were being I was also throwing a lot of rocks.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, like, lady, we got problems. Here's a list. And
your mom was like, well, he could be left handed,
he could be left handed.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Alone thought that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Left hand contains multitudes violence on those five fingers.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah. Yeah, I think this massive uptick sort of speaks
to what you were talking about before, Vinny of a
different generation, right, Like, even when I was a kid,
I got my I got my left ear, piers, but
I also knew better quote unquote better than to get
both ears peers. I think that was also considered like
(33:13):
gay when I was a kid to some extent, and there.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Was a weird crossover period. Yeah, I remember that too.
There was a weird crossover period where it was like
because it feels like we're a little.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
How old are you Evenny twenty eight?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, yeah, we can relate that the same same.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Hey man, hey man, I love blue Eto. All right,
Literally there was a weird the dad, the mom, they're
all great.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You know their names.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't know their names.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I do want to say though, that to that point,
I do remember being really really young and having an
earring being kind of more of a statement, and then
being having an earring being normalized but having to being weird,
and then that transition because it was like you have
to be real fly to pull that shit off at first.
(34:13):
Two ear rings.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Fluctuations of culture so fascinating because at one point, like
it was the high femme like princes, you know, performers
of the world that like they were, you know, allegedly
the kind of the sexual icons for what a man
would look, you know what I mean, Like they were
super famous. Yeah, and you know, quote unquote straight, but
(34:36):
they all had like ear rings, you know what I mean,
both ears whatever. They were done the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
One of Prince's album covers is him butt naked sitting
like an angel, you know what I mean? On top
of clouds. And covering his his chest and penis, and
he got so much pussy from that. He got an
insane amount of pussy off of that. And that does
does it make sense.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
They really let a wolf from the henhouse on that one.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
But he's such a cute wolf.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
The fact you went up from fox to wolf. I
think he says everything.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
I think he would describe himself the same way.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
To your point about sort of like the generational changes.
One of the things that I researched or read is
it talks about how for thousands of years more than
just like since the eighties, for literally thousands of years,
it was more popular or at least as popular for
men to be wearing jewelry as their female counterparts. That
(35:43):
for royalty especially, they would put on lots of jewelry,
lots of they would have ear rings, they would wear
high heels were originally developed for men to be able
to look taller. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
At some point you have to wear a lot of
jewelry to distract from inbreeding qualities of your face. Sure,
it's the Habsburgs would have to put on sapphires on
their ears so you didn't see what was going on
between the sapphires.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I got this big ass change so you don't see
my big ass chin.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
In the sun. So the GLI distracts me.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
By fuck today, I really look like my parents are cousins.
I need some aarn something because I look crazy.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
It also does feel very if you just think about
it on the whole, it feels very American and very Christian.
The idea of not allowing that to men. Yeah, you
know what I mean, it feels very puritanical, very like
I don't even think of it. I don't see why
(36:52):
it would be particularly feminine even you know what I mean. Men.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
It's a part of men are Dirty culture, do you
know what I mean, where it's like if a man
isn't disgusting, he's not a man. I think it's an
extension of that where it's like if you're not you know, bruised, filthy,
and you know you don't care at all what you
look like, then you are actually a lady.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, which which I think I don't think whose whole
sense of humor still revolves around that?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, a lot of stand up comics.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Brother, I think if we if we can pull this
out a little bit to almost a bird's eye view,
it does seem like a lot of this sort of
like damage that we're doing to each other comes from
at least some version of like a monarchy to a
the crossover of monarchy and capitalist societies, right where like
(37:52):
the wealthy can do whatever the fuck they want, but
we have to find ways to keep poor people sort
of locked in their pop and so you make these
weird associations where you look dusty on purpose just to
be able to prove your value in society.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And a really interesting correlation to that is that kind
of the uber rich pop stars, they could wear whatever
they want, you know what I mean, bracelets, it truly
doesn't matter. But at that same time, the people, the
normal people, the proletariat, if you will, could not wear
(38:29):
your flexibility.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, no, it is. You have to remain malleable when
you do not have the resources to survive completely off
of your own you know what I mean. You just
wake up and you get to eat, so you gotta
you gotta stay fucking flexible. You can't afford to show
up with signals that sort of make people question your value. Here,
(38:56):
I think we did it well. I got a few
more than one of the things that that also came
up in all of this is that, and David, you
sort of spoke to the americanness of this. It turns
out in Russia it's the exact opposite that. In Russia
it's the right ear that you get pierced. If you
(39:17):
want to signal to people that you like fuck bitches
and not uh and not fuck around with dudes. It's
like a warning signal in Russia to that like, hey.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
This guy's gonna get some pussy watch out.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Don't know that, hey watch out, fellas, it's a pussy
hound here. But more warning to gay men being like hey, no, no, no,
not over here.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
With that kind of that's even funnier because that feels
even more so. Let me just make sure they know.
I mean, they could look at me, I'm dirty as hell.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
But I feel like when it goes that far, it
goes from you better not to you better not like
brow like point, at some point it becomes you want
them to interact with you. You know, you're begging for
them to have some sort of confidence. He's like, I
(40:15):
hope we don't have to wrestle, you know, like you
just waiting for a confrontation.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
The ladies guys in here. I don't bet if there's
one in here, better not. It's all oiled up and
fine and ship.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Realizing here, I'm gonna be mad.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I'm gonna grab that neck.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Musty backs.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Look like a record.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
They also talk about it. One of the articles I
read that that China similar associated the right with heterosexuality
rather than homosexuality, but has since banned ear piercings completely.
They were, like, I think probably suffering the same thing
you were suffering with your friend, Like, we don't know
(41:16):
which is which. None of all motherfuckers get to do
it now, it was.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
We can't get on the same page. I'm taking it
from everybody.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Maybe that would have been a better policy. I don't know,
because if they if they did opposite ears for each
like as soon as a baby boy is born, they
do right or left, right or left, they end up
with a fifty to fifty gay population, and that's ultimately
not gonna work out in the long run.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Can't do that. We already got too many, too many
girls as it is. We we we got problems. We
can't focus on this. No more ear piercings. All right,
we need to take one more break. But when we
come back I have a little bit more research I
want to run past you guys that I think is
going to illuminate this conversation ever more. So we'll be
back with more Vinnie, Thomas and Moore. My mama told me, pot.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
My butt, pop, pop my butt, pop my butt, pop,
pop my butt.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Do you know what pot my butt meant to Harriet Tubman?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Do you know what that meant?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
It meant a whip.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
And we are back whipping y'all into shape on this con.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Pop my butt, pop, pop my butt.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
It's just very funny that she made her read her
own lyrics, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
What I mean?
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Like, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
You gonna watch that video. It's her mirthless grin. It's
like hot but hop my butt.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
But like, why do you have to did your own lyrics?
That your lyrics? Baby girl?
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Just say I'm out loud. Yeah, and honestly own it.
Wrap that ship. You should have wrapped that ship. You
should have you should have acted.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Who did it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, fix my life, Fix my life, one of the
one of the the white whales of our podcast. If
we ever get her, well, no, we finally did everything
we needed to do here.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I think if she actually wrapped pop my butt. Yanla
would have fired a gun into the air. Just the
reaction to that would have been explosive.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
She would have gone super saying too just lost the Okay,
there's a few more things I want to tell you
about this, uh, this apparent conspiracy theory. One of the
other pieces that came up was this question of signaling.
Signaling you mentioned David is sort of a way of
(44:06):
I guess, showing to other people. It doesn't always have
to be gay people out though I think the term
is rooted in sort of gay culture, showing other people
markings or indications that we belong to the same community.
This specific signal, I think, also gets dropped into something
(44:26):
called hairpinning, which I guess is or dropping a hairpin,
which is essentially the same quality of signaling, specifically as
it relates to the earring.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I guess you would drop a hairpin.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Is that dropping a hairpin as a phrase to yeah,
to like show a signal without having to get caught
kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
See, this is what I was talking about. There was
so much subtlety and signaling at some point it must
have been exhausting because you would have had to speak
all own different language, like in the in the seventies sixties,
to let people know, my god, just write your name
on a bathroom stall, you know, and and be like
at three pm.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
I'm so glad you said it. I was thinking it.
I was like, that seems like of all these things,
that seems like the most reasonable way to do it.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, name number.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Go to the bookstore.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Go to a bookstore and just stand in the corner
reading a stupid book and people know you're not reading.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
You know what I mean it is to get an
to get a nut.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
This Garfield book ain't that long. You ain't reading that?
What are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Hating Mondays that much? No one has Mondays like that.
Put that buck down.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
But you hate Mondays? You don't have a job, you
lasagna eating bitch?
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah yeah, I did always. I did always take an
issue with that. I never understood what was the the
the these days mean nothing to you, Garfield.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah a job. Garfield worked for the DJ.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Garviel worked in the Department of Justice. He tapped phones,
he broke into houses, he arrested people. Kind of a
badass for problematic life. I think at the end of
the day, Damn damn Odi Odie was unemployed because he
got kicked in the head.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
By a horse. Yeah, he was going Odi was unemployed
and he was collecting the check, but he he wasn't
making it. One of the things that they said was
made complicated for this signaling, right, because it originally it
originally sort of becomes popular in the eighties and nineties.
But the reason they claim at least that these signals
(46:45):
started to become problematic is because it gets weaponized by
pop culture to some extent. Right, there's actually an article
from nineteen ninety one in the New York Times, no less,
an article entitled Piercing Fat turns convention on its ear
that basically exposes in a formal way which obviously it
(47:07):
had probably been speculated on for a long time, but
sort of exposes in a formal way that the right
ear is the quote unquote wrong ear, or the gay ear,
and that then makes it a societal conversation and not
just this sort of communal one between gay men.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
This was this happened in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Right, This article is nineteen ninety one, But the trend
I think begins in the in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I don't know what it was. I think there was
a lot of there was a lot of witch hunt ism,
the cultural witch hunt stuff in the eighties, Like you
remember what they were telling everyone that dungeons and dragons
was like demonic. You know, there was just a lot of.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Oh, there was major satanic panic as well.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, satany panic. Yeah, And uh, I think it's part
of it. I think that's kind of an extension of it.
But also I think as gay people kind of moved
into just kind of society, mainstream society as a whole,
a lot of the stuff that was traditionally gay became popular.
(48:09):
So it started to hell, yeah George Michael and the rest.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
But talking about the other guy in WAM, nobody, he
doesn't even have a name.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
No, he doesn't, that's Wham's.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Yeah. No, I think that. I think that definitely that.
I think also it's just a very conservative time, yeah, yeah,
in general in our country's history, and I think that
leads to to a fear around these things.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, we're we're in the middle of Nancy Reagan telling
us not to fuck, not to do drugs, not to
to do, and she is meanwhile, secretly, secretly she who
we want to be doing drugs and fucking with you
know what I mean that Nancy should have been like,
(49:05):
don't do drugs unless you're trying to get the best.
And that's me. Uh, that's saying my.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Reagan until I tore down that wall, we miss.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
You, Nancy that said, I do think you're right that it's.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
That in that bit is it's still Ronald.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Reagan telling him to do it to his wife. That's great,
this circle over job, tear down Nancy, just busting it
open for freedom, for freedom.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
That's good because I don't think I can not if
I was president. What the stress the job would wagh
too heavy? I don't think I would get a lot
of directions as the president of the United States.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Oh you think you It would really give you a
wrecked out dysfunction to be president of the United States.
I've always felt like that job is not as hard
as they pretend like it is. Maybe I'm tripping, Maybe.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
I'm yeah, I think I guess I've always thought they
were all that, so it's not that stressful of a job.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Me and David are different. We think every president is
a hero.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
We have hope. We're not We're not like you alarmist.
We believe in the good.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yeah. I just thought they were all monsters. I was like,
there's no way these monsters are waking up stressed every day.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
They're probably would the aging effect of it all.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
I think what's stressful about it is the the the pace,
not the work itself.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Like you have to be a bunch of places and
you have to stay up late, But I think you're
kicking it most of the time.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
It's like business.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
School, you know what I mean? Like those people drink
all the time. They just happened to be doing fucking
school at the at the exact moment that they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Could you imagine being the one that got stuck in
a bathtub about that all the time. I would be milliated.
If I was tapped, I would be able.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
To That's just president.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
They had to get tools to get you out. Are you.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
And I'm still gonna raise taxes?
Speaker 3 (52:10):
You know it's crazy. I just assumed they asked him
to leave after that. I never really yes, yes, because
how are you? How are you good at a man?
Speaker 2 (52:21):
How are you good about a man? He got himself
stucking about them? How's he gonna make a law, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Like they were like, uh, mister Tablein, obviously get you out,
but but you're gonna have We're gonna give you twenty
five minutes to pack it up and say your eyes
to the stage at the doors. Yeah the oval office
that's closed for the afternoon, and you'll you'll find the
door is locked tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
And to drag him out, like.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
No, you finished the thought, you god damn thought over here.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Diary of a Mad Black Woman, but it's half being
dragged out the.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Oval and then push down the steps in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah. Yeah, they like, stop making those bubbles while he's
in the tub.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
All right now, I think we did it. I think
this morning we did it. This was great. It sounds
like we're all in agreement that the signaling was probably
necessary at a point, but certainly absurd for us as
children to buy into. But what are you going to
do when you're braised in a toxic culture that refuses
(53:49):
to look at itself? I concur Yeah, all right, Vinnie,
do you want to tell the people where they.
Speaker 4 (53:57):
Can find you? Season g.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
You ugge.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
That was just the funniest possible time to do it.
It was great.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
And I want to believe you were looking for the
entire hour that we spoke.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
No, no, I I had a queue up. I was
just like where do we Uh? I wanted to get
away from me. That's perfect.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
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Speaker 3 (54:32):
Hell Yeah, follow Vinnie and and watch Platonic on Apple
TV plus. Vinnie's great. This was so fun, Bory, tell
the people where they can find you.
Speaker 4 (54:42):
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Yeah, goes the fuck amen fellas, And I'm just like you,
you know what I mean. I watched Uh, I watched Monk, right,
I was right there with you watching Watch a Lot Order.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Was a great fucking show. Let's Let's have our fun
was a great fucking show.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm not stelling the monk. I love Monk.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
You kids would do well to watch a little Monk.
Maybe you would n't act that way if you watched
a little monk. The government, chips in yours are racist.
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The host, the money, OLTERNI stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I can't tell me.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Gold all in my chain, gold all in my ring,
gold all in my watch. Don't believe me. Just watch Nigga, nigga, nigga.
Don't believe me. Just watch there it is there it is.
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My
Mama Told.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Me, the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets
of black conspiracy theories.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
And we finally worked to prove that line. Ritchie was
only allowed out of his commodore's contract if he agreed
to adopt a white child. You think they were letting
that that that brilliant man's money go back to a
black baby, to the black community. Absolutely not. We're making
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that white money again. It's the only way you're getting
out of this commodore's bullshit is make this some white money.
And that's what they did. I'm like Stin Kerman, I'm.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
David boy, and I've never been more proud to call
you my co host.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's Julie. What other explanation is there? Just two black
people adopting a white baby and being like, Yep, this
is what we got going.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's I've only ever even heard of it on your
television show south Side. I've never even heard of it,
and I know a lot of fucking freaks.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's a bald choice, even for a very rich black
man to be like, I'm gonna get a little white
girl and keep her.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Man?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Okay? Here's would you do it? That's I think how
we need to open this. Would you guys do that? Wow,
that's a tough question. Would I adopt a white child?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I would adopt the right kind of white child. I
would adopt, I would say Greek or Italian. I would
adopt white child.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Okay, I like that. I think Greek sounds nice, a
little a little stoppy running around.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
That seems nice. But if you get an Eastern European,
he could still ball.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Oh get you a Luca.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
True.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And I don't know the prices of babies racially, but
prices I would maybe not be crazy insane. Then you can.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm gonna be honest. The Eastern European same wholesale to me,
they same, you know what I mean? It seemed like
there's no mark up. You just hit them for what
they're worth. And and that's a deal. Anywhere you go.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think you're play a dangerous game. I think you
have a fifty to fifty chance if you adopt an
Eastern European person they're going to be a vampire.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Because that's the worry that man, right two minutes in,
you're already tracking. That is the worry.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
They're calling you Papa, and they're biting your neck, and
now you're in trouble.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah I got you, but now I got a vampire
on the team.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Oh you're saying you can, you can weaponize this vampire.
You can make them into into something else.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I mean, I'm saying that he will have a love
of his father that will propel him to help his
father out when his father is in need, much like
all of you.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
When are you going to be in need of a vampire?
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Bro? Hey, I's coming around. I don't know what's about
to happen.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Fair enough, you're imagining kind of a dexter situation where
trainer mom.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Child whoas First of all, you're putting these labels all
my boy, we agreed on vampire.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
We agreed on vampire, and I think that qualifies as monster.
I'm here with Vinnie. I don't we should introduce our guests.
We haven't even bothered introducing him. We immediately launched into
speculations about the prices of white babies and vampires. But
but our guest today is so funny. We're both big
fans of his h He's a comedian, he's an actor,
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he's a writer, and you can see him currently on
on Platonic on Apple TV plus. Give it up for
the hilarious Vinnie Thomas.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Everybody that was more ominous than it felt.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It was just they told me to expect sounds, and
I still was not prepared, I think, emotionally, spiritual, or
physically for a sound to occur, and I'm going to
do that in the future.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's the hard part. It happens at any time, and
there's no real way to prepare for that feeling. We
grow when we're uncomfortable. Venny, we're excited you're here. You
came to us with the conspiracy theory that I actually
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was surprised we had never covered before. It's such a
it's such a formative conspiracy theory. I think in my
childhood that I almost think I overlooked it because of
how much it felt ubiquitous with my own upbringing. But
you said, my mama told me if your right ear
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is pierced, that means you're gay. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
True, that's all true. Everything used that is true. I
think by the time I was in school well that
that conspiracy theory it was starting to kind of drift
away a little bit, right, But there's always that thing
in the back of your head is like which year
is a homosexual ear? Which year is the heterosexual ear.
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Ultimately I could not remember which is which?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So which when? Maybe is the gayest thing you can do?
Not remembering that mean.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
For Yeah, one thing about gay people is we have amnesia?
Was gay? Oh my god? Yeah, dorry from finding Nemo,
lesbian fish, short laws. This is all try.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So my question is first, because I know we all
heard it. Did you guys believe it? Vinnie?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I'll let you answer that first, because I do have
an answer. I don't want to override.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I don't know if I believed it, but I still
was terrified of getting one ear pierced versus the other
because I wasn't sure which was which. You don't believe it,
but you do trust that other people will believe it,
perhaps people who are bigger and stronger than you. And
I think that alone is still the kind of belief.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I feel almost exactly the same. I didn't believe it
for a second, but I was like, all these niggas
do so who am I? Who am I to jet
against their own research? Yeah, I'm gonna make sure I
get the correct one pier so that no associations.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, are not the smart who inherit the earth. It's
the brutal and stupid and they make the decisions.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Bory, did you believe it when you were a young lad?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I think I believed it in the way that I
believed a lot of things. I was told of this
like of this kind of type where it's like maybe
there's something going on that I don't know, you know
what I'm saying. I was like, I don't know what
they do that could be. Like I didn't have my
ears pierced. It definitely wasn't something I was like worried
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about either way. But I think that I thought that culture.
Maybe it's culture, you know what I mean, Maybe there's
like the story behind it. But I thought that I
thought that. I definitely think I thought it came from somewhere.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I will say I I was not out in school
and I didn't have my ears pierced at all because
my parents thought piercings were disgusting. They still do, I
don't know what about piercings and tattoos and still kind
of a visceral disgust in their minds.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Oh you know, you don't mean disgusting in like a
shameful way. You may literally like I think there's a gag. Yeah,
it truly.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
It produces a sound in them that is like a
kind of scoff like who kind of like a you
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Are your parents a what older, No, but.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
My mom My mom is white but Italian white, and
her mother is from Italy, like the old country, and
so there's a lot kind of wrapped up in there.
I guess my dad's a military guy, so I think
any kind of departure from you know, having regular ears
was was weird for him. But I did get one
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of your peers. It wasn't the right one, guy, but
I did get one of your peers.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Still blew.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I still blew.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
You me, bro brother. We both the piercing. I did it.
I guess I U, in theory, chose correctly for myself.
But that said, it all was very rooted in a
fear of like, yo, I hope I don't get made
fun of.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, here's the thing. When I went to get a pierce,
I went with a friend and he got his. He
got his right ear piers and I got my left
ear piers because we weren't sure which is which and
we wanted to cover the bases.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
That's you know what I mean. That's in saying.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
That's genuinely insane for y'all not to like call it
off that day and go check and just be like,
I'll do one you do the other.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Good luck. My nigga is crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
One of us was gonna be right. You understand, one
of us was gonna be right.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
That's beautiful kind of.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
That's the closest thing to homophobic Russian roulette I've ever
heard in my life.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And as a direct result, I'm gay.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
And that is what happened that day that Claires A
lot of people think you're born with it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That you just said Claire's was really fucked up? Was
it not a Claire's I didn't get my ears pisthetic.
I'd be terrified. Let when they used the same whole
punches that they used to like punch tags and Heffer's
in their farming. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I got bad news. I'm a Claire's man, through and
through that. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Claire's gay, Claire's get Claire's gay.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Claire's get the money dog.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You let a teenager stab through your ear and Claire's.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Stab it was. It was a little gun that they
put to your ear with a person who clearly doesn't
know how it's worked. It works, or it could not
replicate the same hole even if they wanted to.
Speaker 8 (12:26):
It was.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It was a huge mistake. Of course that's not the
right way to do it. But but I'm of a
generation where I think I'm thirty seven years old, we
didn't have the option to go anywhere professional You went
to Claire's or your mom wasn't gonna take you anywhere
at all.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Your mom took you to get your ear peers.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
She was a nice lady.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
I do feel like, and maybe this is this, there's
part of this. It's like just a lack of awareness.
But I do feel like when I was young, there
were not nearly as many places specifically to go for piercings. Like,
I don't feel like it was always the tattoo piercing
shop combo type of thing. So I do feel like
there was Oh yeah, I do feel like there was less.
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I do feel like there were less places to go
to get it pierced.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, and you, if you were a real man, you
went to players and you pre did.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
It on the bus.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
If you were you pretended it wasn't a business filled
with children's jewelry. You you acted like you belonged there.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Did y'all have those friends who did it themselves, who
like they heat it up a needle with a fire
and like stuck it through. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
they had terrible infections. Every time I hear someone tell
me about that and they're like, I was oozing. Afterwards,
I'm like, what the are you talking about? You were oozing?
They were like affected that. It was crazy.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Brother, If your ear looks like it makes a ninja turtle,
you did something wrong. That's not how it's supposed to go,
you know, if it makes so. So, you obviously bought
into the the stereotype. You bought into this conspiracy theory
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despite what ultimately ended up being. You ended up being
a queer person. Despite that. Do you feel like there
were ever were there people in your life that ever
told you otherwise? Was there ever a brave soul who
stepped up and was like, Vinnie, that's silly. Be who
you want to be, pierce whatever ear you want to pierce.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
No, absolutely not. Sometimes. I mean I had an older brother,
do you know what I mean? I would talk about
piercing my ear and he'd be like, you better make
sure you flip the coin the right way. Dangerous game.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Again, it does not have to be a coin flip.
You could have just researched.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
With someone else and you each have to get one.
That's the way it works. Research, there's there's there's no
way to know. Yeah, I didn't have anyone who was
actively like fighting against it. I feel like it just
wasn't as ubiquitous. I feel like this is a very
nineties conspiracy theory, kind of a nineties early two thousands conspiracy,
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and it's it's since started to trail off because now
I feel like young guys they got. Young guys now
are guys who would have been considered very gay, like
back in the day in school, you know what I mean.
They got like, yeah, mushroom haircuts and dangly like cross
earrings and stuff.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
So my little brother wears two dangling earrings.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah. The stress I would have had wearing this colored
shirt throughout most of my childhood was brother so heavy
before Cameron Frida's Yeah, I would run fusia, my nigga,
Do you know what I'm walking into with this?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I don't have the strength. Better be a goddamn school color.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
We better be fighting fusion tigers or absolutely.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
You know what's funny to me about this conspiracy is like,
what a terrible signal if it was? Because I always
thought about it as it was trying to keep like
that like a secret society type of you know what
I mean, Like it was he was supposed to be
a secret signal.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What a terrible signal?
Speaker 3 (16:34):
What I think You don't think it's a great signal.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
No, we It's like if you're trying to keep something.
See I could just look at your face the first
thing I look at and be like, oh, he's good.
Like it's not you know.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
What I mean, It's not like here's why I thought
it was a better idea. Maybe this is my own stupidity.
It always takes me a minute to remember which ear
is left and which ear is right when I'm facing somebody.
So it's like, ah, you got to sit there and
do math, and after you don't want to finish the math,
so you just ignore it and you move on with
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your life. Absolutely, it's like, oh, it's subtle. It's very subtle.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I feel like this has to have come from gay
people in I don't know, the seventies, maybe earlier than that.
They had they had a language, they had secret little signals,
and it was you know, it was gay years. It
was the hanky code. It was all of this that
now is impossible to understand. Like to me, it doesn't
make any sense. But back then every homosexual had to
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be like a Navajo code talker and to have like
a secret breakdown, like some hidden dialogue. And now it's like,
oh shit, you guys aren't hidden at all, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Yeah, grinder used to be. You just got to break
a branch off of this tree and walk into the
alley wait for somebody to notice.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
It is interesting you said the hanky code, because I
remember when I first moved to San Francisco that was
like a big thing, but it was forever. It was
like the color and the placement said what you were into.
But I knew a lot of very boring people who
also used it, like they really co opted that.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, some people with the hanky code. I don't think
you need a hanky for like missionary and eye contact,
you know what I mean? Like that?
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, there's something nasty with this. What are you doing?
Did I I'm curious to know how much you felt
like something like this slowed your ability to finding your
queer self, to fully coming out and feeling sort of
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settled in whoever you are, despite you know, the right
or wrong ear piercing quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
You know, I don't think the the ear piercing. I
don't think the ear piercing slowter. I think it was
an eventuality that I was gonna get my ear pierced,
you know what I mean. Ultimately, I do think it
was destiny. And at the end of the day, I
don't know if I don't think I ever absolutely believed it.
What you're afraid of is other people's reaction to it,
not necessarily the thing itself. I think it was more
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afraid of having a hole punched in me, which on
the face of it is a completely ridiculous thing to
do for what so you can stick something in there?
It doesn't even make any sense, do you know what
I mean? Human behavior is just kind of odd to
begin with. Yeah, I think it was more scared of
getting my ear pierced than being perceived as a gay
guy with his ears pierced. And no, I don't think
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the ear pierce theory had any effect at all.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, that's nice. There's something nice that it didn't nice. Yeah,
it is because you fear that like this is somehow
an inhibitor to people sort of being able to to explore,
to find themselves as it were, and so like, hell yeah,
if if, if a bunch of the deeply rooted homophobia
from the eighties and nineties did not break anyone's brains,
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I take solace in that. That makes me feel warm inside.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Oh damn, come on, s all right, I want to
be ampho again, protect myself because.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I'm also a coward. All right, We're gonna take a break,
and when we come back, we're gonna talk more ear piercing,
right and wrong, right and left, whatever you want to
call it. Uh, And it's more of any Thomas more.
My mama told me.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Back it on up to our conversation about piercings left right, gay, straight,
who knows? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Who knows? Who cares?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
That?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
So your parents are disgusted by it? What was their
reaction upon uh saying that you had gotten your ear pierced?
Speaker 2 (21:17):
First of all, I just like to acknowledge David's left right,
gay straight who cares, which truly sounds like an RFK
Junior campaign's logan.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
But I say it with a shitty voice and we'll
buy in. Then I'll listen to God.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I think they've they've they've calmed down a lot I
think it was when we were kids. They were very
like their reaction to every now and then my brother
or I would float the idea of getting a tattoo
or getting a piercing, and my mom would be like,
why would you Why would you do that? Why would
you mar your skin? And since then my brother's got
like he has a giant half sleeve. And now I
have my little hitty bitty piercing, which I think they
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use for like babies or something that's the smallest think
in the world. I have one of those hearts that
you give, like like you give a baby a year
after it's.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Born, like, yeah, we don't know who you are yet,
so here's something to remind us that you're alive a.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Little place older. Now they've chilled out, I think, yeah,
I think they're cool enough with it now. I think
if I asked my mom she would she would definitely
prefer it. I didn't get it, But what do I
care about her? He's not a gay guy.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Let's go Bory. Do your parents give a ship?
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Does your mom? Is she an advocate? Is she anti?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Where is she?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Oh? No?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Shed all? Which is funny because now I'm thinking about it. Yeah,
I would have made no difference. So I don't know
what I was worried about.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
As far as her judgment would have made because you
wanted to do it or no.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
There's like, there's other fashion things I could have done
that she would have been a lot more upset about
out than the gay.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Year, Like what kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I don't know, man, just like going out being ashy.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
She hates that.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
It's just that's not really, that's not really it was.
It's not like to be well presented.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
The classic fashion taboo. Being ashy is what she'd be
upset about.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Not you know, sometimes I'll go to the beach and
I'm just ashy on the right side to let them know.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
The right.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
That means I want to have sex in the water.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah, it's it's an adapted hanky coade. Really, Yeah, as.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You on the right with a gray hanky also on
the white side the ocean. I feel like there are
worse things I could have done, Like I think an
earring is so tame. I feel like it's a kind
of surgical invention, and on the scale of surgical invention,
like I could have gotten insane lip fillers that make
it so your upper lip can't move you know what
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I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Or like what are people doing now to getting their
bucle fat remove and they look like corpses. I could
have done that.
Speaker 9 (24:12):
You know it's your buckley, the bucle fat fellas fellas
you bule fat yeaes right here on your cheeks and
people are getting it sucked out so they look like whoa.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, you're just handsome squid word all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, handsome squidword face. You get it sucked right out.
I don't know where they put it.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Whoa, it's none of that's no, that's nobody, none of
my business.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Where they put it.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
That's hippa. You don't violate that. Now you take it out,
we talk about it. But if you where you put it,
that's hippa. But yeah to all that, my mom would
be much more angry about that. What about you? Uh No,
My mom literally took me to go get my peers
saying my mom can for me to get a tattoo
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when I was sixteen, which was a massive mistake, like
and remains stupid on my arm to this day.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Tattoo, what does it say? Like hustle, hustle?
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Okay, you want to hear how bad of a choice
I made. I've never told this story before.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
This is this a Kelly?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It is. It's a big old picture of R. Kelly
and it says, no matter what he does, I'm a fan. No,
it's so my first tattoo. I used to do performance poetry,
and I for at sixteen years old, was playing with
the idea of going by the stage name language Arts.
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You know, Langston, Langston becomes language Arts, I swear to
God and I I then went to arguably the most
amateur tattoo artists in all of my community, and I
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took my step father, my then stepfather's drawing of a
microphone that then the microphone chord turned into writing that said,
you guessed it language And I took it to that
amateur artist and I said, put this as big as
you can on my on my right arm police And
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boy did he.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I didn't. Devil's Advocate.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You can get behind that, bro, I assure you you can't.
It wasn't done well enough. It didn't look cool, you
know what I mean, Like all of it was a
mistake in every way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You gotta go to the right places, you gotta find
and grow sees that and she's like, you know, I
could speak a language.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yo. I surely had a bunch of God hearing women
around me who were like, you, you should not have
done this, sir. This is not gonna make us fuck
you at all.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
God language sounds like a woman at church telling you
not to swear. It just it sounds like a warning.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
It was like a last name.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
It was also I really thought I was doing something,
you know what I mean, Like I really thought I
was like no, I.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Thought, process though, is the thing I see where it
like if it was just a little too far over here,
if it was just a little back, it would have
been the coldest shit ever.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But when I was a kid, when I was in
high school, I saved up enough money to get a
class ring and I wanted to get the word kraavi
written on the side, which is like Latin for I create.
But I get the ring. The letters are so close
together it looks like cream. I said. So I saved
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up all of my need to get this ring and
it looks like it says cream aside and I couldn't
wear it. The first thing, my friend said, friend Gustava,
he looks at it, he goes, what does cream. Mean, what.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
The fuck are you talking about? Talking about this is Latin.
I create. I'm an artist. She's like, Nah, that's cream, dog,
that's cream. This cream get the money because if not,
you're weird as fun.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, Cream King of Eastern Colorado was.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Damn the Cream King. We got to add that to
your intro. Episode is over. He's locally known as the
Cream King of East Colorado. I did a little bit
of research Cream King that I'd love to go. We're
with you, Phil Reid to agree with the disagree with it. Truly,
(29:06):
none of this means anything. But one of the things
that there was a quote that I guess I had
never heard the official quote, but I guess the official
slogan for this was left is right and right is wrong.
I don't know if y'all ever heard it. Phrase so
sort of eighties succinctly, but that was sort of the
phrase I guess said circulated around this theory.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Wait, can I ask did you read did you read
the same querity article where there's like there's a guy
on a bench holding a rainbow flag in his faces
collapsed into his hands. Because I looked up just as
a preliminary thing, I was like gay Year, you know,
(29:47):
and the queerity popped up. One of the first pictures
is this guy holding a little rainbow flag in his hand.
He's sitting on a bus bench like this, and it's
one of the funniest things I see.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I did not see that, but boy, do I want
to please send it to us, because my God, does
that What a silly thing to be, like, we're gonna
show a gay person, but they're not having fun with it.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
All.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
The point the left is right and right is wrong
was supposedly the the slogan that was circulating, and the
theory took the rise took its rise in the eighties
and early nineties, which is sort of odd. A more
recent study shows that a list, a company that sort
(30:35):
of tracks online shopping behavior, says that men getting ear
rings rose by one hundred and forty seven percent from
twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. So we're seeing
a massive uptick compared to what I guess generally generationally
it used to be.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Did y'all ever hear that it might have started in prison?
I feel like everything where it was like mighty gay
was it's like, oh, someone would make up a myth
where it started like when people would sack their pants.
They're like, you know what that means, he's actually receptive,
and I don't. I don't actually know if that's true
at all. I think maybe you.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Just made that up.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, I think that's just the deep, deep fear that
you're associating with another deep deep fear. You're like, I
don't want to go to jail, and I gotta find
ways of making it so that everything could send me
to jail or make me jail gay whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I also it's kind of weird to me that the
right side is the wrong side in this context because
this I feel like the left side is traditionally that's
the bad side, right, Like I didn't go to Catholic school,
but then people in Catholic school used to get their
left hand beaten if they used the left hand, because
that's the devil's quadrant. Is the left part of your body?
Speaker 4 (31:52):
As a lifelong leftie, yes, ah no, that doesn't makes sense. Yeah,
I'm much handed.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
They tried to teach me how to write write.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Oh, they like really tried to fix you.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Yeah yeah, yeahma. My mam had to come in and
be like you're a stupid person. My genius baby boy
is left handy. He's gifted, he's brilliant. I think they
were just really, really well, they were really willing to
crash out on the idea of like, I don't know, man,
he's eating glue, he's trying to write with his left hand.
We got to get him out of here.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I got you. It was that you were writing brilliant
sonnets with your left hand.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
You were being I was also throwing a lot of rocks.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, like, lady, we got problems. Here's a list. And
your mom was like, well, he could be left handed,
he could be left handed.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Alone thought that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Left hand contains multitudes violence on those five fingers.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah. Yeah, I think this massive uptick sort of speaks
to what you were talking about before, Vinny of a
different generation, right, Like, even when I was a kid,
I got my I got my left ear, piers, but
I also knew better quote unquote better than to get
both ears peers. I think that was also considered like
(33:13):
gay when I was a kid to some extent, and there.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Was a weird crossover period. Yeah, I remember that too.
There was a weird crossover period where it was like
because it feels like we're a little.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
How old are you Evenny twenty eight?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, yeah, we can relate that the same same.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Hey man, hey man, I love blue Eto. All right,
Literally there was a weird the dad, the mom, they're
all great.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
You know their names.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I don't know their names.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I do want to say though, that to that point,
I do remember being really really young and having an
earring being kind of more of a statement, and then
being having an earring being normalized but having to being weird,
and then that transition because it was like you have
to be real fly to pull that shit off at first.
(34:13):
Two ear rings.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Fluctuations of culture so fascinating because at one point, like
it was the high femme like princes, you know, performers
of the world that like they were, you know, allegedly
the kind of the sexual icons for what a man
would look, you know what I mean, Like they were
super famous. Yeah, and you know, quote unquote straight, but
(34:36):
they all had like ear rings, you know what I mean,
both ears whatever. They were done the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
One of Prince's album covers is him butt naked sitting
like an angel, you know what I mean? On top
of clouds. And covering his his chest and penis, and
he got so much pussy from that. He got an
insane amount of pussy off of that. And that does
does it make sense.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
They really let a wolf from the henhouse on that one.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
But he's such a cute wolf.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
The fact you went up from fox to wolf. I
think he says everything.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
I think he would describe himself the same way.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
To your point about sort of like the generational changes.
One of the things that I researched or read is
it talks about how for thousands of years more than
just like since the eighties, for literally thousands of years,
it was more popular or at least as popular for
men to be wearing jewelry as their female counterparts. That
(35:43):
for royalty especially, they would put on lots of jewelry,
lots of they would have ear rings, they would wear
high heels were originally developed for men to be able
to look taller. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
At some point you have to wear a lot of
jewelry to distract from inbreeding qualities of your face. Sure,
it's the Habsburgs would have to put on sapphires on
their ears so you didn't see what was going on
between the sapphires.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I got this big ass change so you don't see
my big ass chin.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
In the sun. So the GLI distracts me.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
By fuck today, I really look like my parents are cousins.
I need some aarn something because I look crazy.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
It also does feel very if you just think about
it on the whole, it feels very American and very Christian.
The idea of not allowing that to men. Yeah, you
know what I mean, it feels very puritanical, very like
I don't even think of it. I don't see why
(36:52):
it would be particularly feminine even you know what I mean. Men.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
It's a part of men are Dirty culture, do you
know what I mean, where it's like if a man
isn't disgusting, he's not a man. I think it's an
extension of that where it's like if you're not you know, bruised, filthy,
and you know you don't care at all what you
look like, then you are actually a lady.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Yeah, which which I think I don't think whose whole
sense of humor still revolves around that?
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, a lot of stand up comics.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Brother, I think if we if we can pull this
out a little bit to almost a bird's eye view,
it does seem like a lot of this sort of
like damage that we're doing to each other comes from
at least some version of like a monarchy to a
the crossover of monarchy and capitalist societies, right where like
(37:52):
the wealthy can do whatever the fuck they want, but
we have to find ways to keep poor people sort
of locked in their pop and so you make these
weird associations where you look dusty on purpose just to
be able to prove your value in society.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And a really interesting correlation to that is that kind
of the uber rich pop stars, they could wear whatever
they want, you know what I mean, bracelets, it truly
doesn't matter. But at that same time, the people, the
normal people, the proletariat, if you will, could not wear
(38:29):
your flexibility.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, no, it is. You have to remain malleable when
you do not have the resources to survive completely off
of your own you know what I mean. You just
wake up and you get to eat, so you gotta
you gotta stay fucking flexible. You can't afford to show
up with signals that sort of make people question your value. Here,
(38:56):
I think we did it well. I got a few
more than one of the things that that also came
up in all of this is that, and David, you
sort of spoke to the americanness of this. It turns
out in Russia it's the exact opposite that. In Russia
it's the right ear that you get pierced. If you
(39:17):
want to signal to people that you like fuck bitches
and not uh and not fuck around with dudes. It's
like a warning signal in Russia to that like, hey.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
This guy's gonna get some pussy watch out.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Don't know that, hey watch out, fellas, it's a pussy
hound here. But more warning to gay men being like hey, no, no, no,
not over here.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
With that kind of that's even funnier because that feels
even more so. Let me just make sure they know.
I mean, they could look at me, I'm dirty as hell.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
But I feel like when it goes that far, it
goes from you better not to you better not like
brow like point, at some point it becomes you want
them to interact with you. You know, you're begging for
them to have some sort of confidence. He's like, I
(40:15):
hope we don't have to wrestle, you know, like you
just waiting for a confrontation.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
The ladies guys in here. I don't bet if there's
one in here, better not. It's all oiled up and
fine and ship.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Realizing here, I'm gonna be mad.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I'm gonna grab that neck.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Musty backs.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Look like a record.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
They also talk about it. One of the articles I
read that that China similar associated the right with heterosexuality
rather than homosexuality, but has since banned ear piercings completely.
They were, like, I think probably suffering the same thing
you were suffering with your friend, Like, we don't know
(41:16):
which is which. None of all motherfuckers get to do
it now, it was.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
We can't get on the same page. I'm taking it
from everybody.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Maybe that would have been a better policy. I don't know,
because if they if they did opposite ears for each
like as soon as a baby boy is born, they
do right or left, right or left, they end up
with a fifty to fifty gay population, and that's ultimately
not gonna work out in the long run.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Can't do that. We already got too many, too many
girls as it is. We we we got problems. We
can't focus on this. No more ear piercings. All right,
we need to take one more break. But when we
come back I have a little bit more research I
want to run past you guys that I think is
going to illuminate this conversation ever more. So we'll be
back with more Vinnie, Thomas and Moore. My mama told me, pot.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
My butt, pop, pop my butt, pop my butt, pop,
pop my butt.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Do you know what pot my butt meant to Harriet Tubman?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Do you know what that meant?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
It meant a whip.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
And we are back whipping y'all into shape on this con.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Pop my butt, pop, pop my butt.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
It's just very funny that she made her read her
own lyrics, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
What I mean?
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Like, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
You gonna watch that video. It's her mirthless grin. It's
like hot but hop my butt.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
But like, why do you have to did your own lyrics?
That your lyrics? Baby girl?
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Just say I'm out loud. Yeah, and honestly own it.
Wrap that ship. You should have wrapped that ship. You
should have you should have acted.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Who did it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, fix my life, Fix my life, one of the
one of the the white whales of our podcast. If
we ever get her, well, no, we finally did everything
we needed to do here.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
I think if she actually wrapped pop my butt. Yanla
would have fired a gun into the air. Just the
reaction to that would have been explosive.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
She would have gone super saying too just lost the Okay,
there's a few more things I want to tell you
about this, uh, this apparent conspiracy theory. One of the
other pieces that came up was this question of signaling.
Signaling you mentioned David is sort of a way of
(44:06):
I guess, showing to other people. It doesn't always have
to be gay people out though I think the term
is rooted in sort of gay culture, showing other people
markings or indications that we belong to the same community.
This specific signal, I think, also gets dropped into something
(44:26):
called hairpinning, which I guess is or dropping a hairpin,
which is essentially the same quality of signaling, specifically as
it relates to the earring.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I guess you would drop a hairpin.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Is that dropping a hairpin as a phrase to yeah,
to like show a signal without having to get caught
kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
See, this is what I was talking about. There was
so much subtlety and signaling at some point it must
have been exhausting because you would have had to speak
all own different language, like in the in the seventies sixties,
to let people know, my god, just write your name
on a bathroom stall, you know, and and be like
at three pm.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
I'm so glad you said it. I was thinking it.
I was like, that seems like of all these things,
that seems like the most reasonable way to do it.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah, name number.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Go to the bookstore.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Go to a bookstore and just stand in the corner
reading a stupid book and people know you're not reading.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
You know what I mean it is to get an
to get a nut.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
This Garfield book ain't that long. You ain't reading that?
What are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Come on?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Hating Mondays that much? No one has Mondays like that.
Put that buck down.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
But you hate Mondays? You don't have a job, you
lasagna eating bitch?
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah yeah, I did always. I did always take an
issue with that. I never understood what was the the
the these days mean nothing to you, Garfield.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah a job. Garfield worked for the DJ.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Garviel worked in the Department of Justice. He tapped phones,
he broke into houses, he arrested people. Kind of a
badass for problematic life. I think at the end of
the day, Damn damn Odi Odie was unemployed because he
got kicked in the head.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
By a horse. Yeah, he was going Odi was unemployed
and he was collecting the check, but he he wasn't
making it. One of the things that they said was
made complicated for this signaling, right, because it originally it
originally sort of becomes popular in the eighties and nineties.
But the reason they claim at least that these signals
(46:45):
started to become problematic is because it gets weaponized by
pop culture to some extent. Right, there's actually an article
from nineteen ninety one in the New York Times, no less,
an article entitled Piercing Fat turns convention on its ear
that basically exposes in a formal way which obviously it
(47:07):
had probably been speculated on for a long time, but
sort of exposes in a formal way that the right
ear is the quote unquote wrong ear, or the gay ear,
and that then makes it a societal conversation and not
just this sort of communal one between gay men.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
This was this happened in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Right, This article is nineteen ninety one, But the trend
I think begins in the in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
I don't know what it was. I think there was
a lot of there was a lot of witch hunt ism,
the cultural witch hunt stuff in the eighties, Like you
remember what they were telling everyone that dungeons and dragons
was like demonic. You know, there was just a lot of.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Oh, there was major satanic panic as well.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, satany panic. Yeah, And uh, I think it's part
of it. I think that's kind of an extension of it.
But also I think as gay people kind of moved
into just kind of society, mainstream society as a whole,
a lot of the stuff that was traditionally gay became popular.
(48:09):
So it started to hell, yeah George Michael and the rest.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
But talking about the other guy in WAM, nobody, he
doesn't even have a name.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
No, he doesn't, that's Wham's.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
Yeah. No, I think that. I think that definitely that.
I think also it's just a very conservative time, yeah, yeah,
in general in our country's history, and I think that
leads to to a fear around these things.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, we're we're in the middle of Nancy Reagan telling
us not to fuck, not to do drugs, not to
to do, and she is meanwhile, secretly, secretly she who
we want to be doing drugs and fucking with you
know what I mean that Nancy should have been like,
(49:05):
don't do drugs unless you're trying to get the best.
And that's me. Uh, that's saying my.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Reagan until I tore down that wall, we miss.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
You, Nancy that said, I do think you're right that it's.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
That in that bit is it's still Ronald.
Speaker 5 (49:54):
Reagan telling him to do it to his wife. That's great,
this circle over job, tear down Nancy, just busting it
open for freedom, for freedom.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
That's good because I don't think I can not if
I was president. What the stress the job would wagh
too heavy? I don't think I would get a lot
of directions as the president of the United States.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
Oh you think you It would really give you a
wrecked out dysfunction to be president of the United States.
I've always felt like that job is not as hard
as they pretend like it is. Maybe I'm tripping, Maybe.
Speaker 6 (50:44):
I'm yeah, I think I guess I've always thought they
were all that, so it's not that stressful of a job.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Me and David are different. We think every president is
a hero.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
We have hope. We're not We're not like you alarmist.
We believe in the good.
Speaker 3 (51:16):
Yeah. I just thought they were all monsters. I was like,
there's no way these monsters are waking up stressed every day.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
They're probably would the aging effect of it all.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
I think what's stressful about it is the the the pace,
not the work itself.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Like you have to be a bunch of places and
you have to stay up late, But I think you're
kicking it most of the time.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
It's like business.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
School, you know what I mean? Like those people drink
all the time. They just happened to be doing fucking
school at the at the exact moment that they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Could you imagine being the one that got stuck in
a bathtub about that all the time. I would be milliated.
If I was tapped, I would be able.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
To That's just president.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
They had to get tools to get you out. Are you.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
And I'm still gonna raise taxes?
Speaker 3 (52:10):
You know it's crazy. I just assumed they asked him
to leave after that. I never really yes, yes, because
how are you? How are you good at a man?
Speaker 2 (52:21):
How are you good about a man? He got himself
stucking about them? How's he gonna make a law, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Like they were like, uh, mister Tablein, obviously get you out,
but but you're gonna have We're gonna give you twenty
five minutes to pack it up and say your eyes
to the stage at the doors. Yeah the oval office
that's closed for the afternoon, and you'll you'll find the
door is locked tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
And to drag him out, like.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
No, you finished the thought, you god damn thought over here.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Diary of a Mad Black Woman, but it's half being
dragged out the.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Oval and then push down the steps in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah. Yeah, they like, stop making those bubbles while he's
in the tub.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
All right now, I think we did it. I think
this morning we did it. This was great. It sounds
like we're all in agreement that the signaling was probably
necessary at a point, but certainly absurd for us as
children to buy into. But what are you going to
do when you're braised in a toxic culture that refuses
(53:49):
to look at itself? I concur Yeah, all right, Vinnie,
do you want to tell the people where they.
Speaker 4 (53:57):
Can find you? Season g.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
You ugge.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
That was just the funniest possible time to do it.
It was great.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
And I want to believe you were looking for the
entire hour that we spoke.
Speaker 4 (54:12):
No, no, I I had a queue up. I was
just like where do we Uh? I wanted to get
away from me. That's perfect.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
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Speaker 3 (54:32):
Hell Yeah, follow Vinnie and and watch Platonic on Apple
TV plus. Vinnie's great. This was so fun, Bory, tell
the people where they can find you.
Speaker 4 (54:42):
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Speaker 3 (54:53):
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