March 24, 2025 • 46 mins
In this episode, we get into it — sports, politics, and everything in between. The hosts break down what’s really going on in today’s political climate, especially around education and how corporate power keeps showing up in all the wrong places.
They also unpack how different generations are seeing politics play out and how political figures influence the way we think, act, and show up in the world.
Then we switch gears and dive into one of the most exciting times of year — March Madness. The conversation gets heated in the best way, especially when we talk about women’s basketball. Shoutout to legends like Dawn Staley and the rivalries that keep the energy high and the fans coming back.
But it’s not just about the game — it’s about the business too. The hosts dig into the current state of negotiations in women’s hoops and why smart, strategic moves are key if we want to keep this momentum going and take the league to the next level.
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at
the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal
the common threads that bind them all.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So what's happening in women's basketball right now now is
what we've been trying.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
To get to for almost thirty years.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
From the stadiums where athlete to break barriers and set records.
Kynon Clark broke the all time single game assist record.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
This is crazy for rookies.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
To be doing.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms
and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit
down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at
the core of it all, how we see one issue
shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.
I'm your host, Carrie Champion. So programming note, family, I
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was asked to join levels to this podcast with the
legendary Cheryl Swoops and women's college basketball analysts Terreika Foster Brassby.
So you should know their podcast because trust me, these
ladies will give you a full education on what is
needed to know about basketball college basketball. Every time I
list and I know I walk away more informed. So
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that is the first thing. However, they asked me to
be on the podcast, and because it was March madness,
I said, do you mind if I actually borrow a
little bit of your podcast and aired on my actual
airway for naked sports, and they said, you know what, Yes, sus,
you can do it. So this is the conversation that
lives at the intersection of sports and politics. I hope
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you enjoy. We begin with what has happened this past
week in terms of politics, and then we moved directly
in to sports. I hope you all enjoy.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
So, you know, Carrie, every single day, there's something something
that that man in a White House, because I refuse
toll that there's something he does every single day every
day is something. So to me, two things that recently
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happened that I was just like, are we really doing this?
And how and how can other people besides black and
brown people?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Right, you sign an executive order.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
To cancel the Department of Education, and you are removing
Jackie Robinson, Medgar Evers. You're removing people from our history
that had a lot to do with making America great.
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And I'm not saying make it great again, because it was.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
It was never great the first time. So how is.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
It that And I don't care what side of the
aisle you sit off, right, but how is.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It that that that those people.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Can be okay with with a lot of the stuff
he's done, but in particular like Department of Education, and
and basically saying, and Jackie Robinson, you didn't because you.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Were a black man. What you did for this country
doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You know, so I thank you for asking that question.
This is the UCLA shirt I'm wearing. Is a Jackie
Robinson edition. By the way, let's go so uh the
first to your first question about the Department of Education
dismantling the Department of Education, they will always lean the
conservative side, will always lean on economy. They will tell
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you this is all about the economy. They will tell
you this about overspending. And they're saying the reason why
they're trying to dismantle because you can't fully dismantle it.
It takes an Act of Congress to do it. But
when you're shutting down certain positions and departments, he says
that he will say he he says that it's because
he wants to give it to the states. Give the
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education back to the states. They should be in charge
of the education, each individual state. Connecticut for you, Texas
for you, California, I mean New York, whatever they want
the state to be in charge. The Department of Education
made sure that. And you know how schools get funded, right, yes,
based on that they live in And so the Department
of Education made sure that some of these underfunded schools
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were allowed to give money and resources they normally wouldn't have.
And the first thing that I think a dictator does
is remove education so that people are not smart enough
to understand being duped and treated differently, and they don't
know any better, and the law of the land is created.
If you look at dictatorships all across the world over
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the years, this is exactly what they do. It's a playbook,
and he's going down a playbook from dictators of past
and present and seeing what worked and what didn't work.
And that's why all of these things are just really
really distractions. Until he has the full control of what
he wants, everything else is a distraction. Elon Musk provides
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cover for him. So we think we're mad at must
but we're really mad at him. Elon Musk is being used.
It's a mutually beneficial relationship for both of them. Yep.
And I think that we are watching in real time.
We never thought it could happen in America, but why not?
Every other country has had a dictatorship. Every other government's fallen,
why would an American's government.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Fall Absolutely great nation has fallen.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Every great nation has fallen. And people think that we're
being alarmists. But I you know, and I just I
don't want to keep referencing this that TV show, But
I remember there was this one scene and animates tell
and she said, while she's walking in her red She's
all like, we all were asleep while he ignored the constitution.
We were asleep while he afforded people by the thousands,
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hundreds of thousands were asleep while unmarked plane closed officers
Ice officers walked up to a guy while he's having
dinner with his wife and arrested him and put him
in a plane vehicle. We were all asleep? What part
of that is constitutional? How are you coming?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I wish?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Do you know how dangerous that is walking up to
some and saying we're putting you under arrest, not knowing
who the person is. You can if you did, this
can't end. Well, you get the ripe one who has
the time. It is violent, yes, yes, well, and we're
going to see and he's pushing and pushing more chaos
because if you push more chaos, you'll be more something
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to provide order, and he wants to put the order
of the chaos that he's already created.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
That's it. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
But what's even worse is that as you look at
things being unconstitutional, you have an even more saddening feeling
that the folks who are put in place to protect
the integrity of the Constitution are those who are also
making the decision that these things are are not unconstitutional.
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So we don't even have the checks and balances across
any degree of our government to protect us. We don't
have Yep, we don't have We don't have enough people
in Congress who are fighting, and those who are are
limited in some to some degree. We don't have enough
Supreme Court justices because the Supreme Court has been stacked
on the right. So it is like, are we say
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we just we're not?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Just why I hear hear people say that I'm moving
because she was like if I don't have anybody in
Congress fighting for me, or if he's like I don't
have anybody in the Senate fighting for me. Yeah, but
a great movement, and I think you it historically has
been from the people. It's gonna come from the people,
and it.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Has to how it has to, and it can come.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It can actually come more quickly than people recognize if
they understand the power that they have. Because in twenty
twenty five and twenty twenty six and parts of twenty
twenty seven, there are congressional elections that are happening across
the United States. You do not have to keep them
same ignorant individuals into your political offices. If people put
the entire amount of time and effort and dedication that
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they put into the presidential election and so removing senators
and representatives who do not align with your benefits.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
This is why.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
This isn't why for the political arguments I get in
on social media is about like this. It's like y'all
spit two and a half months argued about why y'all
hate Kamala That's what y'all did. Y'all talk about why
y'all can't stand her black ass, blah blah blah blah blah.
You put that same energy into District thirty six to
the person that's been sitting on Capitol Hill for forty
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five years, and that's an absolutely nothing for all the
things you think that Kamala was supposed to say for you.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
So we don't have to suffer for a lot of
this congressional for much longer. If people wise it up
and utilize the voice and the power that they have.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I hope they do. I hope they do. So I
think that I think that what you're saying is right.
You see, you see these town hall meetings all across
the country, and people are angry. You get get veterans angry,
and they're yelling, people don't have anything. They are mad,
and they're letting their representatives know. Now, hope is that
we see something during the midterms, because the midterms will
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be here and that's going to be a strong indication
of how this country feels. Yeah, if they start kicking
people out and you start to see new people and
they flip the house and they flip this in it,
we we're good. I don't know what happened, but here's
my here's here's what I do know. I need everybody,
no matter who you are, whether you think this is
relevant or not. You talked about your ninety five year
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ol grandmother, My ninety five year o grandmother sadly voted
for Trump. But I'll tell you why she voted for Trump.
And there is this there is she's old enough to
think that women should not be in these types of positions,
which is so ironic. Wow, it was her, that was
her philosophy. But I go, oh, so old women preachers.
You know, it's a woman in the segregated, segregated South,
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and and and and her throt processes. I'd rather us
be separate but equal. Like and I'm like, grandmother, there's
no such things. There's no such thing now, but it
was better when we was. I was like, it doesn't
work that way. So she life pass her by really quickly.
And here she's ninety five years old, and she realizes
that a lot of people have buy a remorse with
with Trump. And she pulled me the other day. It's
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two weeks agos at home. She goes, I made a mistake.
But I'm going to tell you this, save your money,
because the more and more I pay attention to what's
going on, we are in a world of trouble. This
woman is ninety five years old. Were to say, sit
olds down, my spote, she yes it all, and she
was like, I made a mistake, and I want you
to save your money. That's her answer. Her answer to
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all of this was save your money. Yeah, you're your
house because it's about to be some lean times. And
I was yeah, and lean different for everybody. Right, it
may not be you may have money in your bank,
right you may, but lean could be you know everyone
around you is suffering, and so that makes you comfortable.
Lean could be your boss comes in and says, we
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have new rules. Like you see what's going on with
Ben and Jerry's. They got bought by Unilever. Ben and
Jerry's the ice cream cottage, very progressive. They always are
fighting for individual rights. They are always the entity that says,
you know, we believe in these rights and these rights.
Human rights is there. That's what Jerry's is about. Yeah,
got purchased by Unilever. Told they got them to a
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standoff in twenty twenty one with Unilever because Unilever didn't
like the way that they were protesting what was happening
in Gaza and Unilever, their parent company, told them to
some stop and Ben and Jerry's is like, nah, I'm
all set. This is who we are. They just fired
the CEO of Ben and Jerry's because they did not
like the way that they were handling this political situation
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and or his poof about protesting this current administration. People
are falling in line in real time, Google, Facebook, Amazon, everybody.
But when these big companies are falls yes, you're like, wait,
what does that make me feel? Like? They have so
many people. If I work for one of them companies
and they tell me don't post, I'm posting if that
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work for one of these companies and I don't really
feel secure where I am. I'm not going to do
anything because I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Gona be right, because you're going to be terrified for
your for your job. And what's crazy about that is
back in And this is probably be my last comment
on this, but before during the inauguration, there were so
many people who were like, I'm not watching the inauguration.
Chol You were like, I'm not watching an inauguration, and
I was.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Like, that's cool. I get why.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I get why some people didn't social judgment there. I
just took the stance of I want to see who.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
There, yeah, because I want to be there.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I want to see who be here.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And the first thing I saw when I turned on
the inauguration, Mark Zuckerberg, Jim Bezos, all of them, of
Google not having better seats than Congressman sitting right behind.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And so to me, that was already in my head.
A I already know.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
What to expect over the next four years, because clearly
the people who represent the biggest tech industries in our
nation and then the world are literally we use Google
every day for everything. I ain't gonna last see here
and say I'm not gonna use Google no more. Now
you know what I'm saying. I'm sitting at this point.
I would love to be like, hey, I don't have
to order from Amazon. I got an Amazon box coming.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
It's like, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I guess we still have to be as much as
as much as we're like I'm not going to support
right certain things, we we still have to be very
realistic in that as well as you know what I mean,
I think for me, Ta, and this is my last
comment on it, so we can talk about something more exciting.
What got so I did too inn right to the inauguration,
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and besides seeing all of these billionaires, what got me
was so I used to be used to be a
Carrie Underwood fan, love Carrie's music.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I loved her.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
On American Idol, all the things I would listen to
her music. What got me was when I saw how
she disrespected Kamala Harris and and basically didn't want to
shake her hand.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And I was like, I think that is so disgusting.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I think that's one hundred and so I kid you
not not that not that it's going to affect her
pocket at all.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
She don't know me from eve.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
But I went in my phone and I deleted all
of my carriage.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
By the way, I'm glad. It made me feel good. Yeah,
it made me.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I want to I want to get to your level
of pettiness. Well, and I got a level of pettiness
on my own, but but I can't. The person who
I need to delete all the my my iPad and
out of my playlist is Kanye west because Kanye Weston
lost his day of mind, and a part of me
is like, and I've been going, like I know he's
been going. He's He's like, trust me, there is nothing.
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I have no intention of ever trying to save Kanye,
but for me to get rid of the college of
the college, I mean a graduation that was one of
the best albums I ever had.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I was like, you're like, I'm a different one.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, I'm like different.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Girl.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
No, it's that ain't about to happen.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, differently, I think, I think, I think. I think
that's the biggest show. You hit on something that bothers
me more than anything. There is just no class at all.
There is no there is no They don't They are
so happy in the win, those who supported Trump, and
they don't know how to be a gracious winner while
they say we're poor losers. And it's like, you don't
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have to disrespect Kamala like that. You you don't. But
I also want the people on the left, like in
terms of the Congress, I want you to to be
on that same energy. You can't be not You can't
play nice anymore. There are no you can't play anymore
like you guys. You can't be have de corm You
hear Michelle. Michelle said, when they go low, we go lower.
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She don't change her whole tune.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
More.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
We been doing you, Rachelle.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
We were doing that since we appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yeah, when she was telling us to go high, we
were like, it sounds cute.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I was taking it to hell you tripping.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'm going to where I'm going.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
To the ansay.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I wish I could, but nah, not doing that.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We're gonna take a quick break because we have to
pay some bills. We'll be right back in just a
few moments. Thank you for listening to Naked Sports. We
are joined by Cheryl Swoops, Terka Foster Brasbee. Levels to
this podcast and I hope you enjoy. I was happy
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just to do the show because, first of all, you know,
I love you both, but I wanted to talk. I
want a job to tell me all about March madness
and was my team gonna win it all?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh, you're about to be mad at me. She's about
to be mad at us.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I knew y'all.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I knew y'all was gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I knew y'all was gonna say that. But you know what,
here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Here's the thing is that I actually love this for UCLA,
Like I love the fact that they are I am
very high on them getting to the final four. I
feel like they have a favorable region. They should dominate
that region. Well, let me take the back, they should
dominate the first couple of rounds. I think if they
get a chance to play like old Miss, they'll be challenging.
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If they have to play like LSU or something like that, like,
they'll be challenged, But for the first.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Couple of rounds they should dominate easily. Right.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
The problem with UCLA is that I think they forget
that they have more experience than they think they do.
We say, like, oh, they haven't been here before, But like,
y'all been playing together for three and a half years
at this point, Lauren Betts is six foot seven. Ain't
nobody got nothing, no kind of smoke for her whatsoever.
And Corey Close has been one of the best coaches
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in women's basketball for I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Know how long y'all have got it.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
But execute all that and I am doubtful about.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Their execution when you get mopped by USC.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Why also, and if it goes right, they'll meet him again. Right,
So it's like, do you play each other a fourth time?
If it goes if if if everything alignes according to
the brackets, they play each other a fourth time? Are
they tired? Do they remember? As us C rejuvenile? You know,
Juju ain't no joke, Joe. What was it for the
second game at U C? L A and she and
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we was we was getting they handed it to us
like it was embarrassed. I was with your girl.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
She was you know, she was acting up.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
She was talking to us c I said, well, did
they get you courtside? Because if you go over there,
I was like, my husband some tickets, I said, and
I know they wouln't course that. I'm gonna need you.
I need you to a right straight right.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
On my dime.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Everybody was in. Ja was like, oh, you're so tense.
I was like, have you seen yourself with Michigan State Place.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I'm sad. We got a game, we got a game.
We got a game today. I need you all to relax.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay, it's serious. So she understood where I was coming
from here to your point, Tarika, you know what I
think is interesting about my team. They need to be
more hood. We need some more goods. We need you all.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
That's one hundred facts.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was sitting in front of a lady. She was like,
you see La wins with class, and I was like, well,
that's not gonna help us. Hunt told her her husband
U C. L A spends a lot of money. They
got money, money, money. She's a big, big, booster and
she was like, but she was telling because her daughter
was sitting next to me and her daughter was going
in and we was all pumped, and she's like, honey,
we win with class. I was like, that's not gonna
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get us there, babe.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I was like, we all sprayed.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
She was.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
That other side of la And I know, okay, the
hood side, but I know, I know there's a lot
of stuff that has to happen. But my thing is
when when I look at USC and UCLA.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
One hundred, Juju is that girl.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
She is her, But overall, Ucla has a better team
to me overall, right, But to Tea's point, I think
Ucla needs to understand that and know that and be like, Okay,
y'all got Juju, and we're gonna respect Juju, but we
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got way more than Juju. And that's how they got
to play. And again, to Tea's point, listen, Lauren Betts,
you're gonna get your ass on the block. I love
me some Lauren Betts. Gotta get Lauren Betts to get
her ass on the block. I need you to command
the basketball, and when you get it, I need you
to be strong with and go to work because when
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she decides. When she decides that she is going to score,
she can't. And if they go send a double and
triple team. She also is a I think a really
good passer out of a lienal team or triple team.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
But she's got to be stronger with the basketball.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I was so happy she said she was going to
go back another year because I think she needs that
year to come into the w and and be really
good when she enters the draft.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I don't know who she's working with, but I need
her to work with in terms of, you know, of
a professional. Maybe I'm sure you can because you're you're loyalty,
but I need somebody to get in there and get
in her mind.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And what did you say, because she says your loyalty
said no, loyalty carry yes, I mean you.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Like USC and Juju. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I no, no, no, no, no, no no no. Just to
be clear, neither of these teams are my team.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Okay, So that.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Okay, okay, if we're gonna talk about loyalty, and I
don't know if that's the word I use, but I
would say this, I ride with South Carolina and State all.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Day, all day.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That that's what that is, what makes that is what
makes it hard being a fan and an analyst when
it comes to college, because you have to roll with
your with your squad. I graduated from an HBCU, I
did a few semesters at Michigan State University, and I
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grew up a Michigan State fans. So as it relates
to D one, I'm spartan all day long, right, but
I tried to tone that down for women's basketball, just
because it's like, hey, you want to be professional, you
want to be fair, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So I try.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I'm not always successful, but I try men's basketball. Leave
me alone today when we play. Don't call me, don't
text me. I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I was talking about Michigan last night. I thought they
was gonna lose. I got so excited.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Y'all can breast my you can fus stop bracket up.
If that means Michigan is going home, that got to
go one hundred percent. Don't know, Basis Blue get no
love around here.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
So that is what it is.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
But it's so hard not to cheer for South Carolina.
It's so hard not to cheer for dawn S Day.
Like the level excellent station continues to just she has
completely shifted the standard to me of what women's basketball
is and where it should be. I think I would
love to owe the parody that we have in women's
college basketball now to the beginnings of how she started
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to turn around not one program, but too, because she
didn't just do it at South Carolina. She turned around
Temple too.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
She didn't at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's just it's it's it's so fun because the tournament.
We're recording this on a Friday, and the tournament is
getting ready to start today.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
So I love the fact that I look at.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
This tournament and I can't fill out a bracket anymore
and say, well, we know the first two rounds is
gonna be No. We see upsets, Yeah, we see people
go like, we see players go off with it.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, Like the madness is real.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
And what I love more than anything about where we
are now with women's basketball is just the way that
people have an opportunity to make a name for themselves. Now.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I can never forget Jackie Young.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
In twenty nineteen, she was not the projected number one
overall pitt oh No, it.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Was supposed to be Sabrina and ESCU that year.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right, and then the tournament came and Notre Dame showed
out in that tournament and then they made it all
the way to the finals against Baylor. And granted Baylor
got the w that year, but at the end of
the day, it was like, yeah she.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, and had been off Sason. Yeah she WASNA, you're
too late to get all his money, but yeah, you
know what I mean, like late to get off the cash.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
And I love it was.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It was building. All of it was building the building block.
You're absolutely right, I think, don I even and coach
and I I will be very honest of the coach.
Corey and I talk all the time. I fly off
for UCLA. I do things for them all the time.
That's my g She can call me up and I'll
do anything for her.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But as UCLA was making this run, I remember her
asking if I wanted to go to the game in
South Carolina and I was like, ooh, I've missed that one.
And I was like, I'm gonna have to miss that
one because I don't want you to be mad at
me when I get excited for done. To your point,
I understand I better.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
At the school. It's being a black woman before going
to school. You know, that's all it is. It was
like she's smart enough to understand that. Like, but I'm
still rooting for you, like I still want you all
to win, but you understand I feel such such a
and loyalty and watch I'm like, go ahead, boo, do
you get all this to make all the demands have
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in zone? Be unapologetic, be a fighter? They know two things.
My team's not going there because if they're raised, won't
play there.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yes, and garry that I'm sorry, that's what for me.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
But besides, I.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Played with Don you know, in the WU, played with
her in the Olympics, like all of those things. I'm like,
that's my girl.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
But here's what I.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Really here's what I really pull hard for Don is
because she's one of us, and people are always sitting
waiting for her as a black woman to fail, but
they don't want to sit there and cheer her on
in her successes. And you know, for so long we
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we have been told as as a black woman and
looked at as a black woman leading in NC double
A Division one team, you can't do it. You as
a black woman can't win a championship. You can't recruit,
you can't get the all of those things. And don Staley,
she she don't say nothing.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
She like just watched me. Just watch me.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I'm I'm gonna do all the things that you say
I can't. I'm gonna turn this around. Yeah, I'm gonna
get what I deserve. Like I sit back and I
watched all these things, Like I text on it ain't
got none to do with basketball, But I'll just say
thank you, right, just thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
She she gets it, she sees it. She's a great
mentor for these young ladies.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
And it's just hard for me to not not pull.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
For her, right yep.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
And yeah, so I'm yeah, and I'm always when people
come for her, they come for her players.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I'm gonna be the first one to be like, oh no,
we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do it.
You're not gonna come for down Staley.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Like that's just they And I think folks often forget
that it wasn't in those same in those same comments
that you're that you're saying they said about her, which
they did. They now turn all of that around to
make it a negative. They now turned all that around
and say, well, of course she wins. She has all
these all these all Americans. It's like, but you said
I couldn't read proof all Americans, and they said, well,
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of course she has all these great facilities because they.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Paid her all this money. But y'all don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Don Staley put her own money into this program. Early on,
before I got to hear it was It's like everything
that y'all are saying was a negative that have now
become a positive. Now we're gonna figure out how to
make that thing a neetive. It's just a cycle that
will never end. And as we talk about Michelle Obama
telling us when they go low that we go lower down.
Maybe one of the few people who still goes high. Yeah,
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and it's another reason why we continue to respect her
and everything that she's doing.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yukon is coming.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You're listening to Naked Sports, and we gotta pay some bills.
We'll be right back in just a few moments. I'm
so grateful that these ladies from levels to this podcast
that's the legendary Sheryl swoops and the best in terms
of women's college basketball. Analyst Jarka Foster Brasby here on
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Naked Sports. Take a listen. I'm really curious about how
you feel people are receiving women's basketball. It's not that
same fever pitch when it was Caitlin and Angel rees.
It doesn't feel that exciting. Do you think women's basketball
needs that rivalry to get more? I mean they're still
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spending the money. People are still but like the excitement
of where the man down the street who never watched
women basketball is talking about it, You know what I mean?
You know how when you guys stopped by people. I
don't feel that this time. BUTMANI had an interesting take,
and I don't always listen to men talk women's sports,
but he said, no matter what you think, And I
put this in my rivalry doc that Tarika was in.
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The rivalry is such a good thing and they're missing
out on the rivalry that could be between Yukon and
NSC at South Carolina and I think that or I
feel like it could be USC maybe. And you talk
about Juju taking on page like, I wonder if that
storyline needs to be played up more even though it's
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not a storyline, so that there's more interest. Do you
see what I'm saying? Like cause I Angel Rees really
provided her being quote unquote in theory, the villain really
gave them what they needed to mean, Kaitlyn was great,
but we needed something else. We need it, We needed
it to be up here.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So what I would say to that is, I think
that the best rivalries are the ones that continue to
exist even when you don't have to force it. Because
that Caitlyn Clark and Angel Rees's rivalry, it still exists.
It's just in the w now as it relates to
the to women's college basketball. One thing that I've always
noticed and then scherryl you can, I mean you played
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on the college level. I knew I was done after
high school. College was not gonna be for me. So
I don't have this experience, but it feels like what
I love about college rivalries is that no matter who
plays there, no matter how long, like, UCLA is always
gonna hate USC.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It don't matter. If Reggie's there, it don't matter. If
Lisa's there, it don't matter, if Like, it don't matter
if Cheryl Miller's there.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
USC and u c l A are Michigan and Michigan
State will always hate each other.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It don't matter.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I don't care who played there, I don't even need
to know the players. If you're wearing a maze and blue.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Outs, you Michigan State came.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
God, mat.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Can you? Yeah, you're back, You're back.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And so when I and now, I feel like at
one point in time that was Yukon and Tennessee, it
was like it didn't matter where it was, what was
going on, like it didn't have to have a.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Player name attachment.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
So I say all that to say that I feel
like organic school rivalries are building in half built. I
think that South Carolina and Yukon, especially if they if
they reached you know again, this year, could definitely be
that kind of rivalry. U USC continuing to stay and
if you and if Lauren Betts comes back next year,
she's alluded to that continue that crosstown rivalry is something
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that continues to grow. I don't think rivalries are sustainable
when it is just upon people.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, oh oh. They need to be based on the school.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
They need to be based on We need to make
these two schools, these teams face each other so much
and so good to where they start to feel away
about it because people come and go. We see that
in the men's game in the men's game, Duke and
North Carolina gonna forever be a rivalry. It don't matter
whatever it's gonna it's gonna let it's gonna be prime
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time every single time. That Championships Classic is always gonna
be Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State and Duke. It ain't gonna
never change because those schools are always and it's always
gonna bring eyes and attention.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
The women's game have.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yet to have that one, not since Yukon and Tennessee.
They have not had that one school where you're just like,
I don't care who played.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
If these two teams matching up, it might be nasty tee.
I totally agree with you on that.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
I have a different perspective as well when you talk
about rivalries, Like I didn't think Angel and Caitlyn was
a rivalry person Honestly, I thought this was you have
this really really, really really good white player and you
have this really good black player. And because of that,
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I think people were like, well, I gotta pick one
or the other.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I gotta rock with Caitlyn or I gotta rock with Angel.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Because to me, a lot of the stuff that people
talked about it didn't really have anything to do with
the two of them playing basketball because they.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Didn't guard each other. Yeah, like it Caitlyn.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Caitlyn is in her own world. Caitlyn plays a certain way,
she plays a certain position, she does the thing she does,
and Angel does the thing she does. Right, So like,
both of these players can be really good. I think
people tried to make it a rivalry because that was
exciting for the game.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I will say this, I loved it.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Whether you considered it a rivalry or not, I loved
it because people were talking about the women's game. Yeah,
they were talking about Angel, they were talking about Caitlin,
but you ended up talking about the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
You ended up talking about the game.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I think a lot of times when people think about
women's basketball, women's sports in general, but in particular women's basketball,
they want us to all be like Kumbaya.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Oh they all like each other're Oh, they're all business.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Oh they don't curse, they don't swear, they don't play hard,
they don't foul.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Who right, But we've always played that way, And you
know what, I'm okay if.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
You don't like me, yeah yeah, even.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
If you do like me, when we step on that court,
I'm coming for your head every single time. When the
game's over. If we you know, we friends. When the
game's over, we're cool. We can go have dreams, we
can go talk, we can go talk about how I
just gave you forty and how you thought you was
going to hold me.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
To twenty five. Sary to your point, I do think
it's really, really, really good for the game. But I
also think we're at a place right now.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Whether that's because of Caitlin Angel and the whole rookie
class last year, but also the Asia Wilson's, the.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Diana Trossi's right.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I think we're at a place right now though, where
women's basketball is in.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
A really good place. People are talking about it.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I got people talking to me about it that didn't
even know the WNBA existed.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Until this season, right. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
And I'll end on this because I said this yesterday.
I know there's a new CBA coming up. I know
the players are like, listen, we want X, Y and Z. Rightfully,
So this is just my two cents. But I will
say this, if you don't get all those things that
you're asking for now, probably ain't the best time for
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a lockout.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Why would you say that.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Because of where the game is right now.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Oh, I just I don't think we're at a place
where we want.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
To go down that role.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
If you lose that momentum, it's no guarantee that you
will peak that right back.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah. Wow, what a tough space to be in because
I know players want to get more things, and you
got a generation of players and only a handful, But
they're used to getting what they want. You talking to
the likes of an Angel and a Caitlin and all
these other players that came in, they're used to fighting
for what they want.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Well, yes they should. So here's the thing, right, they should.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
And I do think it's because of the Angels and
the Caitlin's that they probably will get a lot of
the things they're asking for. But here's the other thing
I say. You also only have probably a handful of
players that can afford do you play?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Wow, right, the opportunities are there.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
When I look at you know what, dear March, I
saw a Flage Experience commercial, I'm like, what the hell like?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
It's great?
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Where everything that I'm seeing that they're doing, that's happening
that these women deserve. This is where we always wanted
to see the league, right, all these opportunities that they're getting,
but you also have to be strategic.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
In what your plan is gonna be.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Right, you go to the table and you say we
want X, Y and Z, and if they come back
there like, all right, we'll give you X and Z.
But why don't know so way your options? Is it
really worth you all saying we're not we're not gonna
play because we want why Also, last thing I'll say,
I do feel with unrival and even with athletes unlimited, right,
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there are two other leagues that these women have an
opportunity to play in. Granted and R I've only had
thirty players, AU only had forty players. But because there
are other opportunities, that is going to put pressure on
the W.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
You took the words right out of my mouth, Shryl.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I was literally getting ready to say when you were
done that, I don't think that it will even need
to get to a lockout because I think the W
isn't stupid. As much as people criticize them, They're not stupid,
and they understand the product that they have, and they
too understand that this is a momentum that they can
ill afford to lose. This is a time that they
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can ill afford to. They have an opportunity to put
this league in a different category, in a different financial status,
and I don't think that they would also be willing
to waste that over being stubborn. It has not worked
in the year's past, it will not work moving forward.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
So I genuinely hope that they.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Are wise enough to understand that there is a give
and take, and as much as they want the players
to give and take, they have to give a little
bit too. So I don't think it'll get to a
lockout personally.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Okay, that's so smart. And by the way, all the
nuance to what's happening you are. I love that. I
love the idea of being like the knowing yet unrivaled
in these other leagues exists. The w will have to
understand that these players do have more leverage than they need,
and you're right, only a handful of players show can
actually be like I'm off.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Set, I'm straight, Yeah, I'm fine, I got so that that's.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Why it's important, Carrie to have the right people in
the room when it comes to the negotiating, because it
can't just be about you, right, like, well, this is
what I want because you're speaking for the entire league.
You're speaking for all these women who who don't have
these endorsement deals, who don't have these opportunities, who might
only be making seventy five thousand dollars during the WNBA season.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Do you remember the movie one forty four, Remember the
movie that came out.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
One thing that always sticks out to me is Courtney Williams.
Courtney forty four was the movie about the Governor player,
the documentary with the players in the bubble during the
during the pandemic, and it's really good. It's really good,
and Courtney Williams was very vulnerable in there. And when
they showed the clips of them being at the table
amongst each other speaking.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Courtney said, I don't want.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
There was the question became whether or not they play
a specific game because of a player player player, because
of say.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
It again, no kidd okay, she was Candace wasn't in
one forty four.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It was Superga, SUPERB, Kelsey Plumb, it was Elizabeth william
So in a in in one four, the players were
having a conversation whether or not to play a specific
game because there was a shooting in which Jacob Blake
was shot, and the NBA when they were in their bubble,
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they decided that they were not going to play, and
so the WNBA had to make a decision whether or
not they were not going to play. And here you
are in a season where there are more eyes on
your sport than any other eyes, because if we're in
a pandemic, can't nobody going nowhere? They're playing in the summertime.
And on top of that, it's all about how you
make money. You make money based off how you play
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and when you play. And so Courtney Williams was like, listen,
I'm not about not trying to play this game because
I can't afford to not play. I can't afford the
ramifications that could come from networks or whoever else. Don't
want to show our games no more because we're deciding
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not to play.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
And so there was conversation and I respected.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Courtney Williams for that because it was very clear that
it wasn't necessarily because I feel that we shouldn't stand
up for Jacob Blak. But the reality is I have
to provide, and she said this, it's my responsibility to
provide from my family and I can provide for my
family if you don't know, checks come through, because the
rest of y'all can afford to provide for your family,
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whether y'all get this check or not. I ain't got
that and have I never had more respect for Courtney
than I did at that moment because she kept it
real and she spoke for so many other people who
honestly filled up, who wouldn't speak up but felt the
same way. It's not about wanting to not stand up
for this right, but it's also about being realistic that
I don't make what y'all make. I can't afford to mischecks.
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And I think that's a conversation that will happen amongst players,
not in front of the WNBA, but just amongst each other,
amongst peers when they consider if it ever gets to
this part a lockout where you have to be considerate
of your sister, and everybody don't got it like you
got it.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And by the way, that is a decision that has
to be made in every professional sport. That's why the
NFL finds them self fighting getting people won't all protest,
and people say because they're players who make no money,
and then there are players who make a lot of money,
and there is and by for us, for you, by
our stand and say I'll make a lot of money, right,
but I'm somebody who might do a league minimum at
five hundred versus somebody who has one hundred million dollar
deal and approach the game differently. So it makes sense.
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It totally does. Wow, you gave me a education. I
hope they don't like out there tul because we don't
want to.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
We don't know it just listened.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
The momentum, the momentum that we have right now is
to be honest with you, there are times are I'm like, damn,
this is really happening in the double.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
NBA for the w players.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
And so that's why I'm like, it's you know what,
maybe in five years, if we're back here having this conversation,
I might feel differently.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
But just the.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
The viewership, the attendance, the I didn't even care if
it was bad publicity.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
You're talking about the WNBA, right.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
We just don't want to get to a point where
we're like, all right, we're not going to play this
season and all of that momentum, like it's for yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
And selfishly, I don't want y'all to lock out either,
because that's my pay check.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
What you need?
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Seriously, I got to cover this sport. What okaep me
on payroll?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And I ain't gonna come on. I don't mess on
my bro. We ain't want forty four. It's gonna be more.
We didn't added three. You gotta have thirty six small.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
People here mathing, not this mathing that I.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Didn't know I would. My degree in political science, not math.
I'm just adding. I was just adding the valkyrie for this.
Oh MG, Carrie, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I appreciate you. I should stay here all night and
talk to y'all. Y'all just gave me a full education.
I appreciate it. Thank you just like me and I
love what we did, how we did it all. We
put the intersection of all of it together. We did
a monolith. We know all things, and so I.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Appreciate that absolutely.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Thank you so much. I look we didn't capture away pie.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Thank you all for listening to sports again. A huge
shout out to levels to this podcast with Chryl Swoops
and ta Rika. I appreciate you both. I have learned
so much. Thank you all for being here. Join us
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Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at
the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal
the common threads that bind them all.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
So what's happening in women's basketball right now now is
what we've been trying.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
To get to for almost thirty years.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
From the stadiums where athlete to break barriers and set records.
Kynon Clark broke the all time single game assist record.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
This is crazy for rookies.
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To be doing.
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Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms
and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit
down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics because at
the core of it all, how we see one issue
shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.
I'm your host, Carrie Champion. So programming note, family, I
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was asked to join levels to this podcast with the
legendary Cheryl Swoops and women's college basketball analysts Terreika Foster Brassby.
So you should know their podcast because trust me, these
ladies will give you a full education on what is
needed to know about basketball college basketball. Every time I
list and I know I walk away more informed. So
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that is the first thing. However, they asked me to
be on the podcast, and because it was March madness,
I said, do you mind if I actually borrow a
little bit of your podcast and aired on my actual
airway for naked sports, and they said, you know what, Yes, sus,
you can do it. So this is the conversation that
lives at the intersection of sports and politics. I hope
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you enjoy. We begin with what has happened this past
week in terms of politics, and then we moved directly
in to sports. I hope you all enjoy.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
So, you know, Carrie, every single day, there's something something
that that man in a White House, because I refuse
toll that there's something he does every single day every
day is something. So to me, two things that recently
(02:58):
happened that I was just like, are we really doing this?
And how and how can other people besides black and
brown people?
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Right, you sign an executive order.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
To cancel the Department of Education, and you are removing
Jackie Robinson, Medgar Evers. You're removing people from our history
that had a lot to do with making America great.
(03:33):
And I'm not saying make it great again, because it was.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
It was never great the first time. So how is.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
It that And I don't care what side of the
aisle you sit off, right, but how is.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It that that that those people.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Can be okay with with a lot of the stuff
he's done, but in particular like Department of Education, and
and basically saying, and Jackie Robinson, you didn't because you.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Were a black man. What you did for this country
doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
You know, so I thank you for asking that question.
This is the UCLA shirt I'm wearing. Is a Jackie
Robinson edition. By the way, let's go so uh the
first to your first question about the Department of Education
dismantling the Department of Education, they will always lean the
conservative side, will always lean on economy. They will tell
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you this is all about the economy. They will tell
you this about overspending. And they're saying the reason why
they're trying to dismantle because you can't fully dismantle it.
It takes an Act of Congress to do it. But
when you're shutting down certain positions and departments, he says
that he will say he he says that it's because
he wants to give it to the states. Give the
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education back to the states. They should be in charge
of the education, each individual state. Connecticut for you, Texas
for you, California, I mean New York, whatever they want
the state to be in charge. The Department of Education
made sure that. And you know how schools get funded, right, yes,
based on that they live in And so the Department
of Education made sure that some of these underfunded schools
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were allowed to give money and resources they normally wouldn't have.
And the first thing that I think a dictator does
is remove education so that people are not smart enough
to understand being duped and treated differently, and they don't
know any better, and the law of the land is created.
If you look at dictatorships all across the world over
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the years, this is exactly what they do. It's a playbook,
and he's going down a playbook from dictators of past
and present and seeing what worked and what didn't work.
And that's why all of these things are just really
really distractions. Until he has the full control of what
he wants, everything else is a distraction. Elon Musk provides
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cover for him. So we think we're mad at must
but we're really mad at him. Elon Musk is being used.
It's a mutually beneficial relationship for both of them. Yep.
And I think that we are watching in real time.
We never thought it could happen in America, but why not?
Every other country has had a dictatorship. Every other government's fallen,
why would an American's government.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Fall Absolutely great nation has fallen.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Every great nation has fallen. And people think that we're
being alarmists. But I you know, and I just I
don't want to keep referencing this that TV show, But
I remember there was this one scene and animates tell
and she said, while she's walking in her red She's
all like, we all were asleep while he ignored the constitution.
We were asleep while he afforded people by the thousands,
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hundreds of thousands were asleep while unmarked plane closed officers
Ice officers walked up to a guy while he's having
dinner with his wife and arrested him and put him
in a plane vehicle. We were all asleep? What part
of that is constitutional? How are you coming?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I wish?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Do you know how dangerous that is walking up to
some and saying we're putting you under arrest, not knowing
who the person is. You can if you did, this
can't end. Well, you get the ripe one who has
the time. It is violent, yes, yes, well, and we're
going to see and he's pushing and pushing more chaos
because if you push more chaos, you'll be more something
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to provide order, and he wants to put the order
of the chaos that he's already created.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
That's it. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
But what's even worse is that as you look at
things being unconstitutional, you have an even more saddening feeling
that the folks who are put in place to protect
the integrity of the Constitution are those who are also
making the decision that these things are are not unconstitutional.
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So we don't even have the checks and balances across
any degree of our government to protect us. We don't
have Yep, we don't have We don't have enough people
in Congress who are fighting, and those who are are
limited in some to some degree. We don't have enough
Supreme Court justices because the Supreme Court has been stacked
on the right. So it is like, are we say
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we just we're not?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Just why I hear hear people say that I'm moving
because she was like if I don't have anybody in
Congress fighting for me, or if he's like I don't
have anybody in the Senate fighting for me. Yeah, but
a great movement, and I think you it historically has
been from the people. It's gonna come from the people,
and it.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Has to how it has to, and it can come.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It can actually come more quickly than people recognize if
they understand the power that they have. Because in twenty
twenty five and twenty twenty six and parts of twenty
twenty seven, there are congressional elections that are happening across
the United States. You do not have to keep them
same ignorant individuals into your political offices. If people put
the entire amount of time and effort and dedication that
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they put into the presidential election and so removing senators
and representatives who do not align with your benefits.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
This is why.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
This isn't why for the political arguments I get in
on social media is about like this. It's like y'all
spit two and a half months argued about why y'all
hate Kamala That's what y'all did. Y'all talk about why
y'all can't stand her black ass, blah blah blah blah blah.
You put that same energy into District thirty six to
the person that's been sitting on Capitol Hill for forty
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five years, and that's an absolutely nothing for all the
things you think that Kamala was supposed to say for you.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
So we don't have to suffer for a lot of
this congressional for much longer. If people wise it up
and utilize the voice and the power that they have.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I hope they do. I hope they do. So I
think that I think that what you're saying is right.
You see, you see these town hall meetings all across
the country, and people are angry. You get get veterans angry,
and they're yelling, people don't have anything. They are mad,
and they're letting their representatives know. Now, hope is that
we see something during the midterms, because the midterms will
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be here and that's going to be a strong indication
of how this country feels. Yeah, if they start kicking
people out and you start to see new people and
they flip the house and they flip this in it,
we we're good. I don't know what happened, but here's
my here's here's what I do know. I need everybody,
no matter who you are, whether you think this is
relevant or not. You talked about your ninety five year
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ol grandmother, My ninety five year o grandmother sadly voted
for Trump. But I'll tell you why she voted for Trump.
And there is this there is she's old enough to
think that women should not be in these types of positions,
which is so ironic. Wow, it was her, that was
her philosophy. But I go, oh, so old women preachers.
You know, it's a woman in the segregated, segregated South,
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and and and and her throt processes. I'd rather us
be separate but equal. Like and I'm like, grandmother, there's
no such things. There's no such thing now, but it
was better when we was. I was like, it doesn't
work that way. So she life pass her by really quickly.
And here she's ninety five years old, and she realizes
that a lot of people have buy a remorse with
with Trump. And she pulled me the other day. It's
(11:01):
two weeks agos at home. She goes, I made a mistake.
But I'm going to tell you this, save your money,
because the more and more I pay attention to what's
going on, we are in a world of trouble. This
woman is ninety five years old. Were to say, sit
olds down, my spote, she yes it all, and she
was like, I made a mistake, and I want you
to save your money. That's her answer. Her answer to
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all of this was save your money. Yeah, you're your
house because it's about to be some lean times. And
I was yeah, and lean different for everybody. Right, it
may not be you may have money in your bank,
right you may, but lean could be you know everyone
around you is suffering, and so that makes you comfortable.
Lean could be your boss comes in and says, we
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have new rules. Like you see what's going on with
Ben and Jerry's. They got bought by Unilever. Ben and
Jerry's the ice cream cottage, very progressive. They always are
fighting for individual rights. They are always the entity that says,
you know, we believe in these rights and these rights.
Human rights is there. That's what Jerry's is about. Yeah,
got purchased by Unilever. Told they got them to a
(12:08):
standoff in twenty twenty one with Unilever because Unilever didn't
like the way that they were protesting what was happening
in Gaza and Unilever, their parent company, told them to
some stop and Ben and Jerry's is like, nah, I'm
all set. This is who we are. They just fired
the CEO of Ben and Jerry's because they did not
like the way that they were handling this political situation
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and or his poof about protesting this current administration. People
are falling in line in real time, Google, Facebook, Amazon, everybody.
But when these big companies are falls yes, you're like, wait,
what does that make me feel? Like? They have so
many people. If I work for one of them companies
and they tell me don't post, I'm posting if that
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work for one of these companies and I don't really
feel secure where I am. I'm not going to do
anything because I'm.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Gona be right, because you're going to be terrified for
your for your job. And what's crazy about that is
back in And this is probably be my last comment
on this, but before during the inauguration, there were so
many people who were like, I'm not watching the inauguration.
Chol You were like, I'm not watching an inauguration, and
I was.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Like, that's cool. I get why.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I get why some people didn't social judgment there. I
just took the stance of I want to see who.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
There, yeah, because I want to be there.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I want to see who be here.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
And the first thing I saw when I turned on
the inauguration, Mark Zuckerberg, Jim Bezos, all of them, of
Google not having better seats than Congressman sitting right behind.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And so to me, that was already in my head.
A I already know.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
What to expect over the next four years, because clearly
the people who represent the biggest tech industries in our
nation and then the world are literally we use Google
every day for everything. I ain't gonna last see here
and say I'm not gonna use Google no more. Now
you know what I'm saying. I'm sitting at this point.
I would love to be like, hey, I don't have
to order from Amazon. I got an Amazon box coming.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
It's like, yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
I guess we still have to be as much as
as much as we're like I'm not going to support
right certain things, we we still have to be very
realistic in that as well as you know what I mean,
I think for me, Ta, and this is my last
comment on it, so we can talk about something more exciting.
What got so I did too inn right to the inauguration,
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and besides seeing all of these billionaires, what got me
was so I used to be used to be a
Carrie Underwood fan, love Carrie's music.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I loved her.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
On American Idol, all the things I would listen to
her music. What got me was when I saw how
she disrespected Kamala Harris and and basically didn't want to
shake her hand.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
And I was like, I think that is so disgusting.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I think that's one hundred and so I kid you
not not that not that it's going to affect her
pocket at all.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
She don't know me from eve.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
But I went in my phone and I deleted all
of my carriage.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
By the way, I'm glad. It made me feel good. Yeah,
it made me.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
I want to I want to get to your level
of pettiness. Well, and I got a level of pettiness
on my own, but but I can't. The person who
I need to delete all the my my iPad and
out of my playlist is Kanye west because Kanye Weston
lost his day of mind, and a part of me
is like, and I've been going, like I know he's
been going. He's He's like, trust me, there is nothing.
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I have no intention of ever trying to save Kanye,
but for me to get rid of the college of
the college, I mean a graduation that was one of
the best albums I ever had.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I was like, you're like, I'm a different one.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, I'm like different.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Girl.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
No, it's that ain't about to happen.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, differently, I think, I think, I think. I think
that's the biggest show. You hit on something that bothers
me more than anything. There is just no class at all.
There is no there is no They don't They are
so happy in the win, those who supported Trump, and
they don't know how to be a gracious winner while
they say we're poor losers. And it's like, you don't
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have to disrespect Kamala like that. You you don't. But
I also want the people on the left, like in
terms of the Congress, I want you to to be
on that same energy. You can't be not You can't
play nice anymore. There are no you can't play anymore
like you guys. You can't be have de corm You
hear Michelle. Michelle said, when they go low, we go lower.
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She don't change her whole tune.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
More.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
We been doing you, Rachelle.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
We were doing that since we appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Yeah, when she was telling us to go high, we
were like, it sounds cute.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I was taking it to hell you tripping.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I'm going to where I'm going.
Speaker 7 (17:22):
To the ansay.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I wish I could, but nah, not doing that.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
We're gonna take a quick break because we have to
pay some bills. We'll be right back in just a
few moments. Thank you for listening to Naked Sports. We
are joined by Cheryl Swoops, Terka Foster Brasbee. Levels to
this podcast and I hope you enjoy. I was happy
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just to do the show because, first of all, you know,
I love you both, but I wanted to talk. I
want a job to tell me all about March madness
and was my team gonna win it all?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh, you're about to be mad at me. She's about
to be mad at us.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
I knew y'all.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I knew y'all was gonna say that.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I knew y'all was gonna say that. But you know what,
here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Here's the thing is that I actually love this for UCLA,
Like I love the fact that they are I am
very high on them getting to the final four. I
feel like they have a favorable region. They should dominate
that region. Well, let me take the back, they should
dominate the first couple of rounds. I think if they
get a chance to play like old Miss, they'll be challenging.
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If they have to play like LSU or something like that, like,
they'll be challenged, But for the first.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Couple of rounds they should dominate easily. Right.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
The problem with UCLA is that I think they forget
that they have more experience than they think they do.
We say, like, oh, they haven't been here before, But like,
y'all been playing together for three and a half years
at this point, Lauren Betts is six foot seven. Ain't
nobody got nothing, no kind of smoke for her whatsoever.
And Corey Close has been one of the best coaches
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in women's basketball for I don't.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Know how long y'all have got it.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
But execute all that and I am doubtful about.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Their execution when you get mopped by USC.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Why also, and if it goes right, they'll meet him again. Right,
So it's like, do you play each other a fourth time?
If it goes if if if everything alignes according to
the brackets, they play each other a fourth time? Are
they tired? Do they remember? As us C rejuvenile? You know,
Juju ain't no joke, Joe. What was it for the
second game at U C? L A and she and
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we was we was getting they handed it to us
like it was embarrassed. I was with your girl.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
She was you know, she was acting up.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
She was talking to us c I said, well, did
they get you courtside? Because if you go over there,
I was like, my husband some tickets, I said, and
I know they wouln't course that. I'm gonna need you.
I need you to a right straight right.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
On my dime.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Everybody was in. Ja was like, oh, you're so tense.
I was like, have you seen yourself with Michigan State Place.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I'm sad. We got a game, we got a game.
We got a game today. I need you all to relax.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay, it's serious. So she understood where I was coming
from here to your point, Tarika, you know what I
think is interesting about my team. They need to be
more hood. We need some more goods. We need you all.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
That's one hundred facts.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was sitting in front of a lady. She was like,
you see La wins with class, and I was like, well,
that's not gonna help us. Hunt told her her husband
U C. L A spends a lot of money. They
got money, money, money. She's a big, big, booster and
she was like, but she was telling because her daughter
was sitting next to me and her daughter was going
in and we was all pumped, and she's like, honey,
we win with class. I was like, that's not gonna
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get us there, babe.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I was like, we all sprayed.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
She was.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
That other side of la And I know, okay, the
hood side, but I know, I know there's a lot
of stuff that has to happen. But my thing is
when when I look at USC and UCLA.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
One hundred, Juju is that girl.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
She is her, But overall, Ucla has a better team
to me overall, right, But to Tea's point, I think
Ucla needs to understand that and know that and be like, Okay,
y'all got Juju, and we're gonna respect Juju, but we
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got way more than Juju. And that's how they got
to play. And again, to Tea's point, listen, Lauren Betts,
you're gonna get your ass on the block. I love
me some Lauren Betts. Gotta get Lauren Betts to get
her ass on the block. I need you to command
the basketball, and when you get it, I need you
to be strong with and go to work because when
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she decides. When she decides that she is going to score,
she can't. And if they go send a double and
triple team. She also is a I think a really
good passer out of a lienal team or triple team.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
But she's got to be stronger with the basketball.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I was so happy she said she was going to
go back another year because I think she needs that
year to come into the w and and be really
good when she enters the draft.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I don't know who she's working with, but I need
her to work with in terms of, you know, of
a professional. Maybe I'm sure you can because you're you're loyalty,
but I need somebody to get in there and get
in her mind.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
And what did you say, because she says your loyalty
said no, loyalty carry yes, I mean you.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Like USC and Juju. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I no, no, no, no, no, no no no. Just to
be clear, neither of these teams are my team.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Okay, So that.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Okay, okay, if we're gonna talk about loyalty, and I
don't know if that's the word I use, but I
would say this, I ride with South Carolina and State all.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Day, all day.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That that's what that is, what makes that is what
makes it hard being a fan and an analyst when
it comes to college, because you have to roll with
your with your squad. I graduated from an HBCU, I
did a few semesters at Michigan State University, and I
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grew up a Michigan State fans. So as it relates
to D one, I'm spartan all day long, right, but
I tried to tone that down for women's basketball, just
because it's like, hey, you want to be professional, you
want to be fair, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So I try.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I'm not always successful, but I try men's basketball. Leave
me alone today when we play. Don't call me, don't
text me. I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I was talking about Michigan last night. I thought they
was gonna lose. I got so excited.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Y'all can breast my you can fus stop bracket up.
If that means Michigan is going home, that got to
go one hundred percent. Don't know, Basis Blue get no
love around here.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
So that is what it is.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
But it's so hard not to cheer for South Carolina.
It's so hard not to cheer for dawn S Day.
Like the level excellent station continues to just she has
completely shifted the standard to me of what women's basketball
is and where it should be. I think I would
love to owe the parody that we have in women's
college basketball now to the beginnings of how she started
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to turn around not one program, but too, because she
didn't just do it at South Carolina. She turned around
Temple too.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
She didn't at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
It's just it's it's it's so fun because the tournament.
We're recording this on a Friday, and the tournament is
getting ready to start today.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
So I love the fact that I look at.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
This tournament and I can't fill out a bracket anymore
and say, well, we know the first two rounds is
gonna be No. We see upsets, Yeah, we see people
go like, we see players go off with it.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, Like the madness is real.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
And what I love more than anything about where we
are now with women's basketball is just the way that
people have an opportunity to make a name for themselves. Now.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I can never forget Jackie Young.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
In twenty nineteen, she was not the projected number one
overall pitt oh No, it.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Was supposed to be Sabrina and ESCU that year.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right, and then the tournament came and Notre Dame showed
out in that tournament and then they made it all
the way to the finals against Baylor. And granted Baylor
got the w that year, but at the end of
the day, it was like, yeah she.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, and had been off Sason. Yeah she WASNA, you're
too late to get all his money, but yeah, you
know what I mean, like late to get off the cash.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
And I love it was.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It was building. All of it was building the building block.
You're absolutely right, I think, don I even and coach
and I I will be very honest of the coach.
Corey and I talk all the time. I fly off
for UCLA. I do things for them all the time.
That's my g She can call me up and I'll
do anything for her.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But as UCLA was making this run, I remember her
asking if I wanted to go to the game in
South Carolina and I was like, ooh, I've missed that one.
And I was like, I'm gonna have to miss that
one because I don't want you to be mad at
me when I get excited for done. To your point,
I understand I better.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
At the school. It's being a black woman before going
to school. You know, that's all it is. It was
like she's smart enough to understand that. Like, but I'm
still rooting for you, like I still want you all
to win, but you understand I feel such such a
and loyalty and watch I'm like, go ahead, boo, do
you get all this to make all the demands have
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in zone? Be unapologetic, be a fighter? They know two things.
My team's not going there because if they're raised, won't
play there.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yes, and garry that I'm sorry, that's what for me.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
But besides, I.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Played with Don you know, in the WU, played with
her in the Olympics, like all of those things. I'm like,
that's my girl.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
But here's what I.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Really here's what I really pull hard for Don is
because she's one of us, and people are always sitting
waiting for her as a black woman to fail, but
they don't want to sit there and cheer her on
in her successes. And you know, for so long we
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we have been told as as a black woman and
looked at as a black woman leading in NC double
A Division one team, you can't do it. You as
a black woman can't win a championship. You can't recruit,
you can't get the all of those things. And don Staley,
she she don't say nothing.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
She like just watched me. Just watch me.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I'm I'm gonna do all the things that you say
I can't. I'm gonna turn this around. Yeah, I'm gonna
get what I deserve. Like I sit back and I
watched all these things, Like I text on it ain't
got none to do with basketball, But I'll just say
thank you, right, just thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
She she gets it, she sees it. She's a great
mentor for these young ladies.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
And it's just hard for me to not not pull.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
For her, right yep.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
And yeah, so I'm yeah, and I'm always when people
come for her, they come for her players.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
I'm gonna be the first one to be like, oh no,
we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do it.
You're not gonna come for down Staley.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Like that's just they And I think folks often forget
that it wasn't in those same in those same comments
that you're that you're saying they said about her, which
they did. They now turn all of that around to
make it a negative. They now turned all that around
and say, well, of course she wins. She has all
these all these all Americans. It's like, but you said
I couldn't read proof all Americans, and they said, well,
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of course she has all these great facilities because they.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Paid her all this money. But y'all don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Don Staley put her own money into this program. Early on,
before I got to hear it was It's like everything
that y'all are saying was a negative that have now
become a positive. Now we're gonna figure out how to
make that thing a neetive. It's just a cycle that
will never end. And as we talk about Michelle Obama
telling us when they go low that we go lower down.
Maybe one of the few people who still goes high. Yeah,
(29:28):
and it's another reason why we continue to respect her
and everything that she's doing.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yukon is coming.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You're listening to Naked Sports, and we gotta pay some bills.
We'll be right back in just a few moments. I'm
so grateful that these ladies from levels to this podcast
that's the legendary Sheryl swoops and the best in terms
of women's college basketball. Analyst Jarka Foster Brasby here on
(29:59):
Naked Sports. Take a listen. I'm really curious about how
you feel people are receiving women's basketball. It's not that
same fever pitch when it was Caitlin and Angel rees.
It doesn't feel that exciting. Do you think women's basketball
needs that rivalry to get more? I mean they're still
(30:20):
spending the money. People are still but like the excitement
of where the man down the street who never watched
women basketball is talking about it, You know what I mean?
You know how when you guys stopped by people. I
don't feel that this time. BUTMANI had an interesting take,
and I don't always listen to men talk women's sports,
but he said, no matter what you think, And I
put this in my rivalry doc that Tarika was in.
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The rivalry is such a good thing and they're missing
out on the rivalry that could be between Yukon and
NSC at South Carolina and I think that or I
feel like it could be USC maybe. And you talk
about Juju taking on page like, I wonder if that
storyline needs to be played up more even though it's
(31:03):
not a storyline, so that there's more interest. Do you
see what I'm saying? Like cause I Angel Rees really
provided her being quote unquote in theory, the villain really
gave them what they needed to mean, Kaitlyn was great,
but we needed something else. We need it, We needed
it to be up here.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So what I would say to that is, I think
that the best rivalries are the ones that continue to
exist even when you don't have to force it. Because
that Caitlyn Clark and Angel Rees's rivalry, it still exists.
It's just in the w now as it relates to
the to women's college basketball. One thing that I've always
noticed and then scherryl you can, I mean you played
(31:39):
on the college level. I knew I was done after
high school. College was not gonna be for me. So
I don't have this experience, but it feels like what
I love about college rivalries is that no matter who
plays there, no matter how long, like, UCLA is always
gonna hate USC.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It don't matter. If Reggie's there, it don't matter. If
Lisa's there, it don't matter, if Like, it don't matter
if Cheryl Miller's there.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
USC and u c l A are Michigan and Michigan
State will always hate each other.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
It don't matter.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I don't care who played there, I don't even need
to know the players. If you're wearing a maze and blue.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Outs, you Michigan State came.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
God, mat.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Can you? Yeah, you're back, You're back.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And so when I and now, I feel like at
one point in time that was Yukon and Tennessee, it
was like it didn't matter where it was, what was
going on, like it didn't have to have a.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Player name attachment.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
So I say all that to say that I feel
like organic school rivalries are building in half built. I
think that South Carolina and Yukon, especially if they if
they reached you know again, this year, could definitely be
that kind of rivalry. U USC continuing to stay and
if you and if Lauren Betts comes back next year,
she's alluded to that continue that crosstown rivalry is something
(32:55):
that continues to grow. I don't think rivalries are sustainable
when it is just upon people.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, oh oh. They need to be based on the school.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
They need to be based on We need to make
these two schools, these teams face each other so much
and so good to where they start to feel away
about it because people come and go. We see that
in the men's game in the men's game, Duke and
North Carolina gonna forever be a rivalry. It don't matter
whatever it's gonna it's gonna let it's gonna be prime
(33:27):
time every single time. That Championships Classic is always gonna
be Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan State and Duke. It ain't gonna
never change because those schools are always and it's always
gonna bring eyes and attention.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
The women's game have.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yet to have that one, not since Yukon and Tennessee.
They have not had that one school where you're just like,
I don't care who played.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
If these two teams matching up, it might be nasty tee.
I totally agree with you on that.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
I have a different perspective as well when you talk
about rivalries, Like I didn't think Angel and Caitlyn was
a rivalry person Honestly, I thought this was you have
this really really, really really good white player and you
have this really good black player. And because of that,
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I think people were like, well, I gotta pick one
or the other.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
I gotta rock with Caitlyn or I gotta rock with Angel.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Because to me, a lot of the stuff that people
talked about it didn't really have anything to do with
the two of them playing basketball because they.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Didn't guard each other. Yeah, like it Caitlyn.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
Caitlyn is in her own world. Caitlyn plays a certain way,
she plays a certain position, she does the thing she does,
and Angel does the thing she does. Right, So like,
both of these players can be really good. I think
people tried to make it a rivalry because that was
exciting for the game.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
I will say this, I loved it.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Whether you considered it a rivalry or not, I loved
it because people were talking about the women's game. Yeah,
they were talking about Angel, they were talking about Caitlin,
but you ended up talking about the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
You ended up talking about the game.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I think a lot of times when people think about
women's basketball, women's sports in general, but in particular women's basketball,
they want us to all be like Kumbaya.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Oh they all like each other're Oh, they're all business.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Oh they don't curse, they don't swear, they don't play hard,
they don't foul.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Who right, But we've always played that way, And you
know what, I'm okay if.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
You don't like me, yeah yeah, even.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
If you do like me, when we step on that court,
I'm coming for your head every single time. When the
game's over. If we you know, we friends. When the
game's over, we're cool. We can go have dreams, we
can go talk, we can go talk about how I
just gave you forty and how you thought you was
going to hold me.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
To twenty five. Sary to your point, I do think
it's really, really, really good for the game. But I
also think we're at a place right now.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Whether that's because of Caitlin Angel and the whole rookie
class last year, but also the Asia Wilson's, the.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Diana Trossi's right.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I think we're at a place right now though, where
women's basketball is in.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
A really good place. People are talking about it.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I got people talking to me about it that didn't
even know the WNBA existed.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
Until this season, right. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
And I'll end on this because I said this yesterday.
I know there's a new CBA coming up. I know
the players are like, listen, we want X, Y and Z. Rightfully,
So this is just my two cents. But I will
say this, if you don't get all those things that
you're asking for now, probably ain't the best time for
(37:07):
a lockout.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Why would you say that.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Because of where the game is right now.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Oh, I just I don't think we're at a place
where we want.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
To go down that role.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
If you lose that momentum, it's no guarantee that you
will peak that right back.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah. Wow, what a tough space to be in because
I know players want to get more things, and you
got a generation of players and only a handful, But
they're used to getting what they want. You talking to
the likes of an Angel and a Caitlin and all
these other players that came in, they're used to fighting
for what they want.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Well, yes they should. So here's the thing, right, they should.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
And I do think it's because of the Angels and
the Caitlin's that they probably will get a lot of
the things they're asking for. But here's the other thing
I say. You also only have probably a handful of
players that can afford do you play?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Wow, right, the opportunities are there.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
When I look at you know what, dear March, I
saw a Flage Experience commercial, I'm like, what the hell like?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
It's great?
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Where everything that I'm seeing that they're doing, that's happening
that these women deserve. This is where we always wanted
to see the league, right, all these opportunities that they're getting,
but you also have to be strategic.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
In what your plan is gonna be.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Right, you go to the table and you say we
want X, Y and Z, and if they come back
there like, all right, we'll give you X and Z.
But why don't know so way your options? Is it
really worth you all saying we're not we're not gonna
play because we want why Also, last thing I'll say,
I do feel with unrival and even with athletes unlimited, right,
(38:58):
there are two other leagues that these women have an
opportunity to play in. Granted and R I've only had
thirty players, AU only had forty players. But because there
are other opportunities, that is going to put pressure on
the W.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
You took the words right out of my mouth, Shryl.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I was literally getting ready to say when you were
done that, I don't think that it will even need
to get to a lockout because I think the W
isn't stupid. As much as people criticize them, They're not stupid,
and they understand the product that they have, and they
too understand that this is a momentum that they can
ill afford to lose. This is a time that they
(39:36):
can ill afford to. They have an opportunity to put
this league in a different category, in a different financial status,
and I don't think that they would also be willing
to waste that over being stubborn. It has not worked
in the year's past, it will not work moving forward.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
So I genuinely hope that they.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Are wise enough to understand that there is a give
and take, and as much as they want the players
to give and take, they have to give a little
bit too. So I don't think it'll get to a
lockout personally.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Okay, that's so smart. And by the way, all the
nuance to what's happening you are. I love that. I
love the idea of being like the knowing yet unrivaled
in these other leagues exists. The w will have to
understand that these players do have more leverage than they need,
and you're right, only a handful of players show can
actually be like I'm off.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Set, I'm straight, Yeah, I'm fine, I got so that that's.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
Why it's important, Carrie to have the right people in
the room when it comes to the negotiating, because it
can't just be about you, right, like, well, this is
what I want because you're speaking for the entire league.
You're speaking for all these women who who don't have
these endorsement deals, who don't have these opportunities, who might
only be making seventy five thousand dollars during the WNBA season.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Do you remember the movie one forty four, Remember the
movie that came out.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
One thing that always sticks out to me is Courtney Williams.
Courtney forty four was the movie about the Governor player,
the documentary with the players in the bubble during the
during the pandemic, and it's really good. It's really good,
and Courtney Williams was very vulnerable in there. And when
they showed the clips of them being at the table
amongst each other speaking.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Courtney said, I don't want.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
There was the question became whether or not they play
a specific game because of a player player player, because
of say.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
It again, no kidd okay, she was Candace wasn't in
one forty four.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
It was Superga, SUPERB, Kelsey Plumb, it was Elizabeth william
So in a in in one four, the players were
having a conversation whether or not to play a specific
game because there was a shooting in which Jacob Blake
was shot, and the NBA when they were in their bubble,
(41:59):
they decided that they were not going to play, and
so the WNBA had to make a decision whether or
not they were not going to play. And here you
are in a season where there are more eyes on
your sport than any other eyes, because if we're in
a pandemic, can't nobody going nowhere? They're playing in the summertime.
And on top of that, it's all about how you
make money. You make money based off how you play
(42:21):
and when you play. And so Courtney Williams was like, listen,
I'm not about not trying to play this game because
I can't afford to not play. I can't afford the
ramifications that could come from networks or whoever else. Don't
want to show our games no more because we're deciding
(42:42):
not to play.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
And so there was conversation and I respected.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Courtney Williams for that because it was very clear that
it wasn't necessarily because I feel that we shouldn't stand
up for Jacob Blak. But the reality is I have
to provide, and she said this, it's my responsibility to
provide from my family and I can provide for my
family if you don't know, checks come through, because the
rest of y'all can afford to provide for your family,
(43:08):
whether y'all get this check or not. I ain't got
that and have I never had more respect for Courtney
than I did at that moment because she kept it
real and she spoke for so many other people who
honestly filled up, who wouldn't speak up but felt the
same way. It's not about wanting to not stand up
for this right, but it's also about being realistic that
I don't make what y'all make. I can't afford to mischecks.
(43:29):
And I think that's a conversation that will happen amongst players,
not in front of the WNBA, but just amongst each other,
amongst peers when they consider if it ever gets to
this part a lockout where you have to be considerate
of your sister, and everybody don't got it like you
got it.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And by the way, that is a decision that has
to be made in every professional sport. That's why the
NFL finds them self fighting getting people won't all protest,
and people say because they're players who make no money,
and then there are players who make a lot of money,
and there is and by for us, for you, by
our stand and say I'll make a lot of money, right,
but I'm somebody who might do a league minimum at
five hundred versus somebody who has one hundred million dollar
deal and approach the game differently. So it makes sense.
(44:07):
It totally does. Wow, you gave me a education. I
hope they don't like out there tul because we don't
want to.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
We don't know it just listened.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
The momentum, the momentum that we have right now is
to be honest with you, there are times are I'm like, damn,
this is really happening in the double.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
NBA for the w players.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
And so that's why I'm like, it's you know what,
maybe in five years, if we're back here having this conversation,
I might feel differently.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
But just the.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
The viewership, the attendance, the I didn't even care if
it was bad publicity.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
You're talking about the WNBA, right.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
We just don't want to get to a point where
we're like, all right, we're not going to play this
season and all of that momentum, like it's for yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
And selfishly, I don't want y'all to lock out either,
because that's my pay check.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
What you need?
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Seriously, I got to cover this sport. What okaep me
on payroll?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
And I ain't gonna come on. I don't mess on
my bro. We ain't want forty four. It's gonna be more.
We didn't added three. You gotta have thirty six small.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
People here mathing, not this mathing that I.
Speaker 4 (45:27):
Didn't know I would. My degree in political science, not math.
I'm just adding. I was just adding the valkyrie for this.
Oh MG, Carrie, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I appreciate you. I should stay here all night and
talk to y'all. Y'all just gave me a full education.
I appreciate it. Thank you just like me and I
love what we did, how we did it all. We
put the intersection of all of it together. We did
a monolith. We know all things, and so I.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Appreciate that absolutely.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Thank you so much. I look we didn't capture away pie.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Thank you all for listening to sports again. A huge
shout out to levels to this podcast with Chryl Swoops
and ta Rika. I appreciate you both. I have learned
so much. Thank you all for being here. Join us
next week Naked Sports written and executive produced by me
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Kerry Champion, produced by Jocquees Thomas, sound design and mastered
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