October 9, 2023 • 45 mins
Muni Long speaks with us today about the frequencies of creating and how she channels the lyrics for the music she writes for others and now for herself. Long has spent the last decade writing for various artists from; Rihanna, Madonna, Ariana Grande, and many more. And is now fully standing in her artistry, releasing her new single, "Made For Me"
Long has enough points on the board to now set a standard and hopefully a new precedent for all artist. She speaks with candid honesty about her boundaries in the industry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've been offered, you know, publishing for songs I didn't write,
and trying to take opportunities from other artistss like, I
don't want to do none of that, And I always
make it clear, make sure you let them know I
don't believe in that practice. So it's not just a no,
it's a know, I'm pleased, don't continue that, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I prefer that you.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Didn't involve me in anything that does that to other people,
because I feel like there's so many hands in your
pocket as an artist, as a songwriter, it's just so
hard to even just be stable, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, and it's not right.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's not okay okay.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And that ladies and gentlemen, it is money long. I
appreciate her honesty, and more importantly, I appreciate how naggadd
she is. On today's podcast, Sit back, Relax, prepare yourselves
for a dose, a healthy dose of honesty.
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
Where money Long has been a force in the music
industry for many years, writing hits for artists like Rihanna,
Mariah Carey, Madonna, Marianna Grande. She's also known as a
buzzworthy artist herself. She has hits like Hours and Hours
time Machine, and those have earned her three Grammy nominations
(01:38):
and a win. A win for Hours and Hours. It's
really hard for an artist to get nominated for a Grammy,
let alone win a Grammy, but she explains that it's
not easy. People have called her difficult to work with,
but she considers herself an advocate, an advocate for artists.
(01:58):
That title can be misconstruy by some, but most importantly,
it's not for her. She believes in the work that
she is doing and she believes in her music. Welcome
to Naked everyone. It's money Long, Chapion and care with
Chapion and care with chap money Long. Thank you so
much for coming on Naked. My podcast is exactly what
(02:22):
it means. It's like, I just ask people be as
transparent as they can possibly be. I do understand sometimes
it's hard to do that, but I appreciate you for
just taking the time it congratulations.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Thank you if you released the album single saying it
was supposed to be a whole like a former pack,
but oh we couldn't get it ready in time, so
we just settled on one song. It's called Made for Me.
People are really liking it so far. Well, let's go
back to the beginning, because you have a very interesting story.
Probably not unlike others, but as a woman in this industry,
(02:57):
being a creative sometimes and we find ourselves was being
taken advantage of and not always necessarily getting our just due.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
From my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong. You
grew up in a musical household. You you were someone
that literally was able to take your talent, uploaded our
social and it became a movement. That's how you grew
your base. Tell me about that.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Definitely grew up in a musical household. My biological father
played trumpet things also a singer. My mom sang. It
was always music in the house. We had a piano
in every house that we uh we ever lived in,
and music was just kind of like I thought that
it was like everybody's house, you know. It was such
(03:46):
a big art of just our every day and I
think that's why it was so like normal for me
to pick it up as a pastime, a favorite pastime.
And as soon as I got introduced to, you know,
the freedom of the internet, YouTube and you know, uploading
(04:08):
my own videos, myself singing, you know that I had
a period before MySpace through I was uploading, like you know,
I had like the long, skinny Logitech microphone and I
was recording songs on that and they sounded terrible, but
some people like them, you know, and transitioning to YouTube
(04:30):
where it's like you get to see my face and
I'm literally making up these songs in my bedroom just
for fun, not thinking anything of it. And I mean,
who would have known, you know, fifteen years later that
had being an influencer and going viral social media would
be what it is today to where I even you know,
(04:54):
everything came full circle and I had a really organic,
huge moment with I saw hours and hours last year.
So that's very cool. I just gave give you like
fifteen years in sixty seconds.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, Well that's beautiful because I love that, and that
just gives everybody the introduction of where I was going
next in the fifteen years. First you looked twelve years
older in the fifteen years because everyone starts so young,
so you probably still are twelve years old. But in
the fifteen years that you've been in this industry, you
quickly became someone who has been You're an advocate. You
(05:27):
are an advocate for songwriters. You're anavocant for those who
sometimes are marginalized. Do you like that term being called
an advocate? Is that an appropriate term for you and
what you do? I mean, I guess you know if
you would out of all the words that you could
use to describe me as a good one. But I
(05:47):
think I'm just trying to be the best human that
I could possibly be, and I always try to treat
people how I want to be treated. Nobody wants to
live in house that's fallen fart, you know, Like I
think with music and the way streaming has changed, the
revenue like still the same money, it's just not going
(06:10):
to the people where should be yours, and U like
the house is burning and people are complaining about music
in this ticket sales. But you know, part of the
problem is we're trading convenience for quality and so not
necessarily like fighting for anything. Because I feel like anything
(06:30):
that you fight for resists you. I'm more so just
like showing people there is a way to do it,
that you can have massive success and treat people right
and do the right thing, you know, especially even I'm
just trying to be like a benchmark right for you know,
(06:52):
an example for people to be like, what's it called
set a new president. That's what I'm trying to do
because I've been offered, you know, publishing for songs I
didn't write, and you know, trying to take opportunities from
other artistss like I don't want to do none of that.
And I always make it clear, make sure you let
them know I don't believe in that practice.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So it's not just a no, it's a no. I'm
please don't continue that, you know what I'm saying. I
prefer that you didn't involve me in anything that does
that to other people, because I feel like there's so
many hands in your pocket as an artist, as a songwriter,
it's just so hard to even just be stable, you know. Oh,
(07:34):
and it's it's not right, it's not okay, it's interesting
you said something.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
No, and please don't do It's not just no, it's no,
and and and that and that to me is important
in any aspect of your life. But you said you
you're not you don't try to fight anything, because that
means you're resisting. I believe, and I'm paraphrasing. I love that.
I love that thought process. When you started writing for
the likes of a real or Ariana Grande, I mean
(08:02):
you have really amazing credits. You realize something quickly in
terms of being a songwriter. I believe you said you
had to be and I'm not referring to them in general,
but because of who you are and you can sing
and you and you can present in front as well
as right behind the scenes, people wanted you to be
a little more demure and they also were trying to
(08:24):
take money out of your pocket. Give me an example.
Talk about that experience for me.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I think, you know, it just comes with the territory, right,
There's certain things that you just know. Okay, this is
the way it is, the stat quote, right, And so
I learned one of the things I did learned very
early is that the energy that you bring with you
in the room is going to sort of season the music.
(08:51):
So if you've ever been in a recording, to you
or if you've ever seen, like you know, and when
they have like on the news sometimes like the phone
calls and the nine one one calls and you see
the little frequency line going up and down. Right, that's
what it looks like in the studio. And it's a
bit different, but same concept. Where we sing on the mic,
it rights you know, a frequency into the program. Well
(09:15):
that that frequency is happening all the time, whether you
see it or not. And just like you know, I
always give the example of when you tell someone I
love you so much, you feel that it feels a
certain way, or when you say, oh my gosh, bitch,
you know, like you feel that and it makes you
angry or however you want to feel about it. And
(09:36):
so it matters the energy that you bring it to
the room. If I ever had a moment where I
did not want to do something, or didn't want to
work with an artist, or felt like I was, you know,
going to be in a horrible situation, you can't predict
those things, right because it's like you go in the
studio and you make something incredible and here comes the vultures.
(09:57):
But for the most part, when you go in and
you enter into the space with the highest intention. I
would always sit in my car and say, like a
little prayer affirmation before I got out, thank you for
an amazing song, number one song. I thank you, you
know for channeling through me today and if you just
open yourself up to possibility, and that helped me from
(10:21):
you know, getting to in my head because I'm a channeler.
When I write, it's not like, really, you know, I'm
a genie. So I'm coming up with the stuff myself.
I'm literally just like opening my mouth and I'm surprised
a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
At what comes out. And I don't take all the credit.
I'm just a conduit.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And so you can't have any negative skewed energy frequency
when you're operating that way. I mean, it is the
wild wide with all your manned business.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's been like this for years and the only thing
you can do is just operate at the at the
highest level that you possibly can. Is not specific to
any artists, any manager, or just sometimes situations arise and
they're not really the most able.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I hear you talk and I think to myself, is
there an industry in the world outside of music, outside
of anything that we're doing. Is there an industry in
the world where you don't see someone trying to get
over or not operate in a way that's high vibration,
high frequency, or or where you have to decide if
(11:33):
I if I stay here, I have to really create boundaries,
and boundaries are tough and hard. They're hard, they're heart
professionally and they're heart personally. And then the cost of
creating boundaries and living by those boundaries could also reflect
negative negatively on how people want to work with you
or how they Yeah, they label you difficult.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Until you until you get enough points on the board
to establish yourself as someone who is viable and who
consistently can create things that hold value, they're gonna look
at you and be like, who can are usually the abby?
You're not cleaning my toilets, like you know, it's definitely that,
(12:15):
especially being a black woman. You can feel the energy
in a room where people are just like, who told
you to be so confident? Who told you to be
so sure of yourself?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
How dairy? Exactly like, you know, go get my coffee?
And you just have to.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You have to understand it is the human condition. It's
not personal to you, It's not you know, people like
to say paying your dues. I feel like that's a
little bit deceptive every person in the world, no matter
who it is, no matter what it's for it to
be a nonprofit, it could be you know, supposed to
be saving the children, it could.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Be whatever at the core of you.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
If you're not doing the work and you're not on
this planet with the understandingapist to express your highest version
of yourself, there's going to be you know, you know,
on a scale a bit too small, like there's little
boo boos and uh ohs that you shouldn't be doing,
and then there's a big change things that affects, you know,
(13:16):
millions of people. And that's just the way humans are
till they learn there is a better way to do things.
I yeah, it is the human condition, which is why
it's in every industry and across the board. But there's
an extra layer of what I like to call texture.
When you are a black woman, if you think about
from the moment you started in this business to where
(13:37):
you are now, how would you describe it? Would you
describe it? And if we let's use references that people
could explain. Let's say when you first started, you were
you were going your appetizer and have you gotten to
the point where you're like, I got this entree and
I got this dessert, and when I walk in the world,
I'm just making up like an example of having a
little to a lot. How do you describe your journey
(14:00):
of being an artist from fifteen years ago to today?
I would say my journey of being an artist from
then to now is I just steel fulfilled in like home.
But I've always, you know, been a big head in
the clouds Delulu, where when I didn't have two pennies,
(14:24):
I still would save those ups, you know, have the
best experiences I could have. I was telling a friend
the other day, It's like I didn't have the money
to do this. But in the beginning of my career,
I actually to Paris just to get some Christian move
John custom shoes because I really wanted them. And by
the end of the trip it was only two days left.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I ran out of money.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I had to figure it out, you know, And I
never let my circumstance stop me from having a good time.
I don't know, you just have to make the best
right and I've alway as done that before I had
any sort of widespread recognition. So I feel, you know,
with with time and through my journey, all the experiences
(15:13):
that I've had, people that I've worked with, the ups
and downs, I just learned how to be comfortable and
vulnerable being myself in front of people. And that's the
hardest part, right is That's what authenticity is. It's just
like I own my mistakes. I own everything that I say.
Sometimes I might have like hair and makeup or an
(15:34):
outfit that is so great. I like, I don't feel
ashamed or embarrassed by any of my choices. I'm not
afraid to fail and look goofy or make a mistake.
And that is an amazing place to be, especially when
you're doing it on the ward stage.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, and that's the opposite of where most people live.
I have the same Lubaton story. I saved up all
my little pennies, went to Paris and I bought them
shoes and have no more money to eat food. I remember,
like it was yesterday. I was like, it's okay, it's fine.
I'm not even comfortable. The control gave me corns. But
I remember I just had that. But I was gonna live.
(16:13):
You weren't gonna tell me. I couldn't live. I'm gonna
walk around Paris and enjoy the architecture with my sage cross. Yeah,
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(16:34):
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Speaker 2 (17:06):
Thank you all for your patience. Welcome back to Naked
and here's more with money loans. Your first two LPs,
you were a writer for all these major artists, but
then you do your own work these two LPs. What's
the difference between writing for someone else and writing for
yourself and creating the work that you love. Uh?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
The difference to writing for myself writing someone else technically isn't.
There's no difference because it always comes from as I said,
channel right. Writing for myself THI though I know who
I am, I know what I will to alt say
things that I don't want to project onto myself or
anyone else. Writing love sotels are is so easy for
me because that's just who I am. I believe, I
(17:47):
believe in fairy tales. I read a lot of like
romance novels things like that, so that's decmential to me.
I just want to make people feel good, like I
know exactly what it is or sound wise, And it's
a lot easier to make music for myself because I
don't have to go through all these filters right So
(18:08):
like when I'm in a service position, when I was,
because I don't write for others anymore, and at least
not right now, I don't plan to in the near
few jugs want to take some time to explore myself.
But when I was in the service position, it was
like you have to kind of dig a little bit,
do extra work, find out like where are you at
(18:29):
in your life? You know, what do you want to
talk about? Where do you see this music being played?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Are you.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Are you in the club with it? Are you trying
to make stadium music? Are you trying to make something
that you can sing acoustically or do you want to
showcase like your voice or the lyrics. You have to
figure out what the artist wants to do. And I
think that's probably the best thing is that I don't
have to go through that anymore. I can just, you know,
(18:56):
wake up and be like this, this is what I
want to make, this is what I'm writing. Well, for me,
I would think that would be a tremendous amount of
pressure that would make my stomach curred, especially if I
and by the way, which is why you do what
you do, Especially if you're writing for an artist that's
already proven and has a style. Maybe that's even easier,
(19:16):
perhaps if they already have a style and the way
they want to go about it. But tell me about
a difficult time in the studio or what's arguably the
most difficult time for you as a creator, not necessarily
dealing with anyone else, but for you when you are
in a studio and you were singing and you wrote
it and it doesn't come out the way you want
it to, or it's not quite hitting exactly as you
(19:39):
wanted to. I'm assuming you've had those moments because artists
are so very material and protective and precise, So I
would think that you would want it to be perfect
or the vibe to be real and what you want,
and then you want that to come out the way
that you've had a couple of moments that weren't very becoming.
(20:00):
Was like maybe when the producer like, I don't need
a lot of coaching in hand help, you know, hand
holding when I'm working, I just kind of need you
to like, you know, play me what you got. Let's
get a little chord reversion going and leave and come
back for thus, you know, yeah, and man write really fast.
(20:22):
And I think the only time when it was like
difficult or it felt like it was kind of like,
you know, start to stop, was when I was in
the room with somebody who was just constantly like picking
apart the idea before it sort of presented itself as
it wanted to. Because I really think that, yeah, I
think like the songs tell us what they want to
(20:44):
be if you really pay attention to you sort of
like form themselves. And so when you have somebody just
like you can you change that lyric or I don't
like it really, like ba fam let me let.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Me do me please, you know what I'm saying. Let
me do it, and then come back with your critique.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, like if I don't even know what so yeah,
like yeah right right.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know, when you're dealing with someone like a producer,
do you say, wait, give me a minute, let me
just figure this out first. Do you say that tried.
I'll try that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But then if I feel too much resistance, whether it
comes from the artist or producer or even another co writer,
I'll let you know what. I'm gonna take a break.
I'm gonna go get some yogurt, you know, if you
take a walk it's kind of cold in here, or
go out and I let them have it, like maybe
there's something that y'all really need to get out. When
(21:35):
you need me, I'll be here. There have been sessions
where I just completely sit there and do nothing, and
I'll ask for anything either. Like you know that's the
thing too, where people just because they're in the room,
they want a percentage.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I don't believe in that. I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Say that again, because they're the room, they want to
what they want a percentage of the song. Oh yeah,
like they want They're like, while I was in the room,
I helped inspiration, Like no, I'm wow, Wait so you
don't do that. And it's because I'm a channeler right
that I know that that's not true. There's no way
because I'm getting these downloads directly.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Wait a second, So so if I'm a Carrie Carrie
chairbyan is a you know, the reason I am asking
you these ABC questions is because I just don't get it,
Like I'm not in your world. I don't understand it.
So I'm good at either. Yeah. So wait, you're telling
me I can I can quote unquote say I'm a writer.
I'm sitting in the room, I don't do anything, and
I got percentage because if you decide to go totally
(22:34):
different direction, I'm like, no, I was a part of
the inspiration. I was the vibe. I want to get paid.
People get paid that way.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Had that happened to me several times? Literally where you
know you're publisher or your manager session, you come and
we're supposed to write a song together. But I'm so
fat right, A lot of times I will have to
intentionally purposely include like what do you think about this
(23:00):
because it's not it's almost like, you know, like when
you're watching tennis and it's just going back, but you're
not playing with somebody who is as fast as you,
so you get got to slow down, you know, and
that's really annoying sometimes.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, so she just said it was too slow.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
No, seriously, like it's exactly like that, like listen, even
me ready when I'm ready, like this is this isn't
at the highest level, I can't slow down for you.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And so.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I've had moments where I'm going so fast and it's
just coming. It's coming that Literally the co writer is
sitting there like.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
How is she doing this?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And they've you know how many times have I heard that?
You just did you write that? Right now? I'm like yeah,
you know yeah, And then they submit this splits afterwards
and it'll be like twenty five percent.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's like, what girl waiting?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You can you can't negotiate that, correct? I mean in
the beginning, now I can. Now I'll just because I'm
willing to walk away. I'm just like, oh, you know what,
throw the whole song away. Help here. But in the beginning,
I had to be strategic, right because if it was
like a Mariah Carey or Madonna.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right. I want that placement.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I want that credit because it only it expands my brand,
right and expands my network. And so sometimes I've taken
it on the chin just so that I could get
that credit because a lot of those artists I do,
legacy artists, they don't play that like you if you
if you don't get splited together, they won't use the
song because they don't want anybody coming back later and
(24:39):
try to claim anything and you know, hold up money.
So I had to, you know, be flexible in the
past in order to gain a certain amount of uh
status as a writer with the credits that I earned.
But now I don't do that and people be as
(25:00):
for publishing managers and artists like just to sing the song.
No judgment to people who do that, who allow that
to happen, but that's not a boundary that I can
allow to be you know, moved.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
In my case, I can't do it. I'm I'm even
more curious because I get what you're saying. Yes, Mariah, yeah, Madonna,
I'm not pushing back on that. I get the end goal.
It's a part of the end goal to get you
where this is a part of the journey to get
you where you want to be when you wow. So
when you have to sit in a situation that is
(25:36):
uncomfortable at this point of your career, you can walk away.
There there are fewer they are exceptionals now walk away.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I just don't, like, I mean, even before I'm really
I have I have exercised the muscle of my intuition
and my inner voice right to where when an opportunity
is presented to me, immediately I check in with my
gut and if I you know, like you might see
(26:05):
me go and immediately if I feel any sort of
dread or hesitation, I'll be like, I'm not sure about
that one, let me think about it.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Or I'll be like, let's wait for like a week
or two.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
When usually those things end up being like God the bullet,
because there's things that you don't know, right, and who knows?
God knows you know you are a part of him,
and like just like your pinky is a part of
your body, you're a part of the overall and you
(26:42):
have access to the plans and the thoughts of your collaborators, right,
and so I believe that we're all connected and if
you just take a tiny second to just tap in and.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Be like, should do that? Is that a good idea?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Is that for my highest good? You know? Does that
take me in the direction that I ultimately want to go?
And you'll get a nudge, you'll get like a I'll
do that, or you'll get like a little flutter at
least that's what I did. I get like a little
like you know, and I have the ooh, that sounds fun.
Most of the time those experiences are the best ones.
So I've learned to really trust that.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It's almost like the best way to start out.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And I get this example, like, have you ever been
running laid or waiting out the door and something tells
you grab a jacket, grab a jacket and you don't
do it, and then you be.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Cold, you know, So just start there, Start with that small,
simple thing.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Sometimes I'm walking through my house and you're ready to leave,
and I'll look at something and I'll have the urge
to just pick it up and get you with me,
like a notebook or a pen or something, and I'll
end up needing it later on in the day, or
i might need it the next day or something like that.
So I've really taken the time to just listen to
that small, still voice and become super familiar with.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
They're a songwriter, artist that you like in yourself too,
or that you admire that the way in which they've
been able to create their own and build in this industry,
that that is. Someone say that's the north Star. I
like for me, it's Oprah Like Auntie Oaps is my
g I'm like, we can do we can do no
love that Auntie Oaps can do no wrong. So someone's
(28:23):
talking about her, I'm like, I don't care slander, I
don't want to hear it. I love her. Is there
someone who is your Auntie Ops? If you will? I
have a few.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I was just watching some of those leaked clips of
the Kanye unreleased footage, and I'm just like, sometimes it
scares me because I hear him talking and a lot
of the things that he says I can relate to,
and I feel such a connection with him and just
how larger than life he is and how much impact
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he has had his passion for music.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Even when Genius came out.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
A few of my peers called me and were like, Yo,
why can that documentary?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
All I could think about was you.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You know, you remind me so much, and he's one
of my favorite creators in the world, like whether it's fashion, furniture,
or mass Yes, by the way, Yeah, so I would
say I would say Kanye don't as far as like.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Because he's dope. Well, I mean, you know, likes he does.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Say things sometimes that are very free thinking and against
what the general population may.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Believe or may be you know, ready to hear.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And so you know that part is kind of just
like hopefully he's okay, but artistically absolutely fashion you know,
just his vision.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Absolutely Kanye, he's okay. So I say that all the time.
I love Kanye is as as narrated as some very
significant portions of my life, like I he is, and
I'm able to separate the artists from the person sometimes
from the arts from the artists like some things. Yeah,
I don't fool with you with there, but as an artist,
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no one could deny our talent.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And you're talking about that documentary. What I mean, he's
a genius, Like he really really is. I think that's part,
Like you know, sometimes we don't agree, you know, and
it's not just limited to Kanye, right, Sometimes I was
just saying this. I'm not gonna say no, but sometimes
you fall in love with an artist and you start
hearing them talk and he's like, yeah, I wish you
didn't talk like, you know, we don't have the same
(30:31):
views politically, or you know, there may be like certain misogynistic,
patriarchal things that you believe in that are just like
why would you say that? You know, But again, you know,
everybody's here for their own journey and everybody has freedom
of expression. I really try to just objectively observe and
that keeps you a lot of stress free, you know,
(30:53):
just kind of be like, oh that's how do you
feel about that? Okay, cool, you know, and just have
no o thing. You just like observe, right. But yeah, artistically,
man is definitely Kanye. I love Michael Jackson, Jeded Jackson, Aliyah.
These are people who just inspired me to want to
(31:15):
do music and you know, a yeah, I remember being
glued to the television watching their videos and their live shows.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So yeah, those people for me. Oh those that's a
great list. That's a great list. I mean, with that list,
let me ask you minus Alea because we didn't really
get to know her. She was gone. I think way
too soon and way too young, so we didn't get
to know her as I think a woman like a
full grown woman in a lot of ways. But when
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you think of that list and now we watch those
artists grow up in front of us, literally all of them,
what do they have in common with you?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I would say, just like the musical choices, fearlessness, willingness
to be themselves, you know, I think that's what draws
me to a Michael or Conner and a Channon as
far as like pushing boundaries a lot of times, you know,
because you may or may not yet be established, you know,
(32:19):
as I reference before, people will look at you and
be like, who do you think you are? You know,
who are you to have that sort of confidence and
be so sure that you're going to do these things right?
And it isn't until after you do them that people's
perspective if you change it, and in the moment you
may be unsure. But then for me, I watch a
(32:41):
documentary or I see a little sixty second clip on
TikTok or on Instagram, and it is very much in
alignment with how I think, and you know, has value
these and principles that I would buy and so it's
just like constantly.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You know, I might drift a little bit.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But you're like, oh, I don't know, maybe this isn't good.
And then I see something it was Nope, yeah, back
on direct, You're good, you know. And so I think
I like to do something called frequency matching, which is like,
there are people who are where I want to be
or who I've gone where I want to go, and
I just go and watch them and you know, align
(33:23):
myself with that frequency. So what I'll do is yourself
letting me what would that feel like? Man? That must
be amazing, you know, like when I go to a concert,
I don't just sit there and watch. I'm just like, Wow,
this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I love this for me.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
This is for me, like you know, and try to
elevate my my thinking, my acceptance, and my ability to
receive moments like that. And so I think I'm purposely
aligning myself with these people. Like maybe five years ago
I didn't have anything in common with them, but now
I do because I intentionally watch them and see what
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they're doing and how they're speaking, and who they're working,
what it takes to be It's gigantic.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Hey, y'all, it's that time again. We got to take
a quick break. This one's really quick, but you can
still fast forward through it. We'll be right back in
just a few moments with Money Long.
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I had two correct me if I'm wrong solo epiece
(35:03):
before this latest single. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Man?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I wonder if you could walk me through what you
put out before and what this latest single is now.
Is there a difference in the messaging. Is there a
difference in your voice? Is there a difference in the
frequency your word? That means? I want to make sure
that I'm being accurate. Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So I was independent for two years before I partnered
with Depth Chain, and I actually put out three epi's
one which I still own fully, and that was sort
of like me finding my voice, figuring out how I
wanted to present myself. What does money long look like?
What does she feel like? You know, like the words
(35:47):
you use, texture and what is my what is the texture?
What's my aesthetic? Just figuring out like how I wanted
to present myself. And it was in the mid like
literally in the middle of the pandemic. Everyone I wanted
to work with was available, was slightly more expensive because
we have to have COVID, you know, protocol. And so
(36:11):
at first EP I was discovering how I want to sing,
you know, do I want to have a soft voice?
Do I want to build? Don't want to be sexy?
Do I want to sound like a rapper? And so
I did a bit of all of that on the
first EP and then the second one was a little
bit more, you know, I branched out a little bit
(36:31):
more with the sound choices and the topics that I
talked about. I was a little bit more slip tongue
with the stories and some of the things that I
was discussing, and.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Then the third one I was, you know, I'm a lover.
I love love.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I think I said that already, and so I think
the common thread through all of them, and they're about
like relationships and even loving yourself and things like that.
And so this third one was really about love. And
then I actually made three different versions of it. So
it was the first one which was like seven songs,
(37:08):
and I did a second one which was like eight,
and then I added five more and put all together,
so it turned out to be eighteen songs. And I
didn't know which one was going to do anything. I mean,
we had our guesses. I just shot videos for everything
and go and behold hours and hours just exploded and
(37:30):
then you know, I hope you can continue. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And that's a huge and exploded. It's like an under
cell of it. That's huge. To be nominated and to win,
it's huge, it's huge. It's huge.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah. I mean, to be a black woman in the
fourth quarter independent, you know, over the age that people
would generally say should be mainstream. Right, So I'm thirty five,
and I know people don't necessarily think you're viable any
certain age, which is it's so silk right, But I
(38:05):
did literally had every check every box that normally people
would say, hell no, absolutely notice it's not gonna work.
And not only did I have like this gigantic splash,
I denominated for three Grammys as an independent artist. That's
that's crazy. And one of them was Best New Artists,
(38:26):
which is like such a coveted, you know category, so
to be known as like, you know, you're you're one
of the best expressions this year out of all the
music that comes out me. I think they said there's
like thirty thousand new songs of a day, something crazy
like that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Give me chills, give me killed chill, chills, like my arms.
I'm like, good for you. That's just put it in
context and sell that. Don't underseller. That's a that's bold.
Let me leave with that thirty thousand artists today somewhere
and then you tros something like that or a week.
It's a lot. It's a lot, like to be able
to narrow it down, you know what I mean. It's
(39:05):
it's like it's like watching TV. There's so much content
out there. How do you find what you're gonna watch?
How do you find the good stuff, Brandon.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I think I pay attention to the people, like what
they're saying, and feedback that that instant bio feedback is priceless.
When you put something out and it's not good, they
want to let you know. And I think, you know,
being a songwriter for so long, it doesn't hurt my
feelings because the only bad that I believe, the only
(39:32):
bad ideas. And when you don't say out loud, you
don't share, and so I take direction very well. If
somebody is like, don't do that again, you know, I
may or may not do it again. I just really
believe that it's an interactive experience, right because I'm not
making the music just for myself.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I want you to consume it.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So after I channelate and record it and make it
all pretty and take my pictures and shoot my videos,
the rest is up to y'all. I love it, So
talk to me as that inclosing, because I went aroundabout
way to get a good feel of who you are,
and I feel it. So I appreciate you for being
so candid and so honest.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
It's hard. It's hard for people to do that in general.
This latest single, what do you want the people to feel?
What do you want them to take away from it?
What was your headspace from writing?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think I would love for people to hear my
music and be inspired to just love, not be too cool.
You like somebody, call them you know you're not being thirsty,
and I simpen if you miss someone, tell them, right.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I think we need love right now, in this.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Time, in this generation, or so much crazy foolishness happening
and people arguing and like take me out of the
group jet police. I do not want to see you know,
your screenshots of you talking crazy to your significant others.
Just it really hurts my heart, Like I don't like
people get hurt, like the fighting video.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Just I just don't like it, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
And so my offering is of love, and that's what
the song is about. It could apply in any situation,
even though a lot of people are saying like, oh
my god, this is gonna be the next big wedding song,
which I received that yes, hope that happens me very much.
And it could be about the love between you and
your mother, the love between you and you know, your pet,
your your children, you know, your best friend, your sister.
(41:26):
It's just about feeling like you have a genuine, genuine
connection with someone like where have you been?
Speaker 2 (41:33):
All my life?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
And I'm sure everyone has had that at least one
time in their life with a friend, a brother, a colleague.
I just want to spread love, man, that's my ultimate goal.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Ding man, I want to spread love. Okay, I like it.
I received it. Money long. You've been a pleasure, and
I appreciate you for taking your time and being here
and being so patient.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Really, I mean, you're really be really honest and true
like some people are no naked. So yes, yeah, but
you are a knower. There's doers and knowers, and you
have both, so that's great. That's the way I term it.
Thank you again, good luck with everything. I am sure
that I will talk to you down the road at
(42:16):
in a different capacity on all your success and continued success.
I appreciate yeah, thank you so much much. I was
told a long time ago that people who are extremely
confident are knowers, and as a result, they become doers,
meaning if you know what your purpose is, you move accordingly.
If you know your value, you move accordingly. If you
(42:39):
know that something just isn't right, you learn and adapt
to speak up for yourself and people will say, yes,
you're difficult, and money Long says people have said that
about her as well, But I refuse that label because
I can relate to that. I refuse to hear that
I'm difficult and those who know what they want, for instance,
(43:00):
I know what I want, I know how I want
to move, I know how I want to be perceived,
I know my truth. Those are all qualities that are rare.
Those are all qualities that are rare in an industry,
in a world that wants you to be a copycat.
I want to learn from her today. As I looked
at her, she talked about her visions and what she
wants to do. I learned quickly that she was a
(43:23):
no and that no matter what, she wouldn't compromise. There
are parts of us who have to obviously look at
the bigger picture, respect the end game. But I don't
see money Long as someone who compromises often in her
belief in her art, in her work, and being an
advocate as an artist in this industry. I hope you
(43:44):
guys sense that. To me, that's a really huge lesson
to be motivated to believe in someone, to understand their vision,
to believe in their purpose and root for them. That's
how I felt at the end of this interview. I
was like, I root for her. I want her to
win because she's doing it differently and she's unapologetically different.
(44:05):
With that being said, make sure you support her latest single,
Ladies and Gentlemen Made for Me. Download it wherever you
get your songs Spotify, Amazon, Apple, the list goes on
and on, but support her. Artists like that truly need
to have our backing. And with that said, I appreciate
money Long for coming on the podcast today. A personal
(44:29):
update for all of you folks who listen to the
podcast day in and day out, I want to tell
you something. I have been able to have some really
interesting guests these last few weeks, and every single one
of the guests I feel are in alignment with life
and vision. Beth A Hartisan, a godmother of fashion, Money
(44:50):
Long Today an unapologetic artist, Stephen with Lindaz, someone who
truly was able to take art, as in dancing, and
turn it into his own world where he he can
help advocate for kids who are homeless. All of these
people are truly inspiring and it just reminds me the
vision of the purpose, and I hope you all feel
(45:10):
that way too. Whatever you're going through in life, whatever
you want to do in your personal and professional life,
be motivated by these people who share their stories. There's
a reason why they are who they are, whether you've
heard of them or not. It takes someone really special
to see a vision follow through, and I've been able
to bring that to you with these wonderful artists in
(45:33):
front of the camera, behind the scenes, dancers, singers, fashion icons.
The list goes on and on. I'm really proud of
what we're doing here with Naked, and I hope you
are too. Thank you for tuning in, and we'll talk
to you next week.
I've been offered, you know, publishing for songs I didn't write,
and trying to take opportunities from other artistss like, I
don't want to do none of that, And I always
make it clear, make sure you let them know I
don't believe in that practice. So it's not just a no,
it's a know, I'm pleased, don't continue that, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I prefer that you.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Didn't involve me in anything that does that to other people,
because I feel like there's so many hands in your
pocket as an artist, as a songwriter, it's just so
hard to even just be stable, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Oh, and it's not right.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's not okay okay.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And that ladies and gentlemen, it is money long. I
appreciate her honesty, and more importantly, I appreciate how naggadd
she is. On today's podcast, Sit back, Relax, prepare yourselves
for a dose, a healthy dose of honesty.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
Where money Long has been a force in the music
industry for many years, writing hits for artists like Rihanna,
Mariah Carey, Madonna, Marianna Grande. She's also known as a
buzzworthy artist herself. She has hits like Hours and Hours
time Machine, and those have earned her three Grammy nominations
(01:38):
and a win. A win for Hours and Hours. It's
really hard for an artist to get nominated for a Grammy,
let alone win a Grammy, but she explains that it's
not easy. People have called her difficult to work with,
but she considers herself an advocate, an advocate for artists.
(01:58):
That title can be misconstruy by some, but most importantly,
it's not for her. She believes in the work that
she is doing and she believes in her music. Welcome
to Naked everyone. It's money Long, Chapion and care with
Chapion and care with chap money Long. Thank you so
much for coming on Naked. My podcast is exactly what
(02:22):
it means. It's like, I just ask people be as
transparent as they can possibly be. I do understand sometimes
it's hard to do that, but I appreciate you for
just taking the time it congratulations.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Thank you if you released the album single saying it
was supposed to be a whole like a former pack,
but oh we couldn't get it ready in time, so
we just settled on one song. It's called Made for Me.
People are really liking it so far. Well, let's go
back to the beginning, because you have a very interesting story.
Probably not unlike others, but as a woman in this industry,
(02:57):
being a creative sometimes and we find ourselves was being
taken advantage of and not always necessarily getting our just due.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
From my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong. You
grew up in a musical household. You you were someone
that literally was able to take your talent, uploaded our
social and it became a movement. That's how you grew
your base. Tell me about that.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Definitely grew up in a musical household. My biological father
played trumpet things also a singer. My mom sang. It
was always music in the house. We had a piano
in every house that we uh we ever lived in,
and music was just kind of like I thought that
it was like everybody's house, you know. It was such
(03:46):
a big art of just our every day and I
think that's why it was so like normal for me
to pick it up as a pastime, a favorite pastime.
And as soon as I got introduced to, you know,
the freedom of the internet, YouTube and you know, uploading
(04:08):
my own videos, myself singing, you know that I had
a period before MySpace through I was uploading, like you know,
I had like the long, skinny Logitech microphone and I
was recording songs on that and they sounded terrible, but
some people like them, you know, and transitioning to YouTube
(04:30):
where it's like you get to see my face and
I'm literally making up these songs in my bedroom just
for fun, not thinking anything of it. And I mean,
who would have known, you know, fifteen years later that
had being an influencer and going viral social media would
be what it is today to where I even you know,
(04:54):
everything came full circle and I had a really organic,
huge moment with I saw hours and hours last year.
So that's very cool. I just gave give you like
fifteen years in sixty seconds.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, Well that's beautiful because I love that, and that
just gives everybody the introduction of where I was going
next in the fifteen years. First you looked twelve years
older in the fifteen years because everyone starts so young,
so you probably still are twelve years old. But in
the fifteen years that you've been in this industry, you
quickly became someone who has been You're an advocate. You
(05:27):
are an advocate for songwriters. You're anavocant for those who
sometimes are marginalized. Do you like that term being called
an advocate? Is that an appropriate term for you and
what you do? I mean, I guess you know if
you would out of all the words that you could
use to describe me as a good one. But I
(05:47):
think I'm just trying to be the best human that
I could possibly be, and I always try to treat
people how I want to be treated. Nobody wants to
live in house that's fallen fart, you know, Like I
think with music and the way streaming has changed, the
revenue like still the same money, it's just not going
(06:10):
to the people where should be yours, and U like
the house is burning and people are complaining about music
in this ticket sales. But you know, part of the
problem is we're trading convenience for quality and so not
necessarily like fighting for anything. Because I feel like anything
(06:30):
that you fight for resists you. I'm more so just
like showing people there is a way to do it,
that you can have massive success and treat people right
and do the right thing, you know, especially even I'm
just trying to be like a benchmark right for you know,
(06:52):
an example for people to be like, what's it called
set a new president. That's what I'm trying to do
because I've been offered, you know, publishing for songs I
didn't write, and you know, trying to take opportunities from
other artistss like I don't want to do none of that.
And I always make it clear, make sure you let
them know I don't believe in that practice.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So it's not just a no, it's a no. I'm
please don't continue that, you know what I'm saying. I
prefer that you didn't involve me in anything that does
that to other people, because I feel like there's so
many hands in your pocket as an artist, as a songwriter,
it's just so hard to even just be stable, you know. Oh,
(07:34):
and it's it's not right, it's not okay, it's interesting
you said something.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
No, and please don't do It's not just no, it's no,
and and and that and that to me is important
in any aspect of your life. But you said you
you're not you don't try to fight anything, because that
means you're resisting. I believe, and I'm paraphrasing. I love that.
I love that thought process. When you started writing for
the likes of a real or Ariana Grande, I mean
(08:02):
you have really amazing credits. You realize something quickly in
terms of being a songwriter. I believe you said you
had to be and I'm not referring to them in general,
but because of who you are and you can sing
and you and you can present in front as well
as right behind the scenes, people wanted you to be
a little more demure and they also were trying to
(08:24):
take money out of your pocket. Give me an example.
Talk about that experience for me.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I think, you know, it just comes with the territory, right,
There's certain things that you just know. Okay, this is
the way it is, the stat quote, right, And so
I learned one of the things I did learned very
early is that the energy that you bring with you
in the room is going to sort of season the music.
(08:51):
So if you've ever been in a recording, to you
or if you've ever seen, like you know, and when
they have like on the news sometimes like the phone
calls and the nine one one calls and you see
the little frequency line going up and down. Right, that's
what it looks like in the studio. And it's a
bit different, but same concept. Where we sing on the mic,
it rights you know, a frequency into the program. Well
(09:15):
that that frequency is happening all the time, whether you
see it or not. And just like you know, I
always give the example of when you tell someone I
love you so much, you feel that it feels a
certain way, or when you say, oh my gosh, bitch,
you know, like you feel that and it makes you
angry or however you want to feel about it. And
(09:36):
so it matters the energy that you bring it to
the room. If I ever had a moment where I
did not want to do something, or didn't want to
work with an artist, or felt like I was, you know,
going to be in a horrible situation, you can't predict
those things, right because it's like you go in the
studio and you make something incredible and here comes the vultures.
(09:57):
But for the most part, when you go in and
you enter into the space with the highest intention. I
would always sit in my car and say, like a
little prayer affirmation before I got out, thank you for
an amazing song, number one song. I thank you, you
know for channeling through me today and if you just
open yourself up to possibility, and that helped me from
(10:21):
you know, getting to in my head because I'm a channeler.
When I write, it's not like, really, you know, I'm
a genie. So I'm coming up with the stuff myself.
I'm literally just like opening my mouth and I'm surprised
a lot of times.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
At what comes out. And I don't take all the credit.
I'm just a conduit.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And so you can't have any negative skewed energy frequency
when you're operating that way. I mean, it is the
wild wide with all your manned business.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It's been like this for years and the only thing
you can do is just operate at the at the
highest level that you possibly can. Is not specific to
any artists, any manager, or just sometimes situations arise and
they're not really the most able.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I hear you talk and I think to myself, is
there an industry in the world outside of music, outside
of anything that we're doing. Is there an industry in
the world where you don't see someone trying to get
over or not operate in a way that's high vibration,
high frequency, or or where you have to decide if
(11:33):
I if I stay here, I have to really create boundaries,
and boundaries are tough and hard. They're hard, they're heart
professionally and they're heart personally. And then the cost of
creating boundaries and living by those boundaries could also reflect
negative negatively on how people want to work with you
or how they Yeah, they label you difficult.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Until you until you get enough points on the board
to establish yourself as someone who is viable and who
consistently can create things that hold value, they're gonna look
at you and be like, who can are usually the abby?
You're not cleaning my toilets, like you know, it's definitely that,
(12:15):
especially being a black woman. You can feel the energy
in a room where people are just like, who told
you to be so confident? Who told you to be
so sure of yourself?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
How dairy? Exactly like, you know, go get my coffee?
And you just have to.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You have to understand it is the human condition. It's
not personal to you, It's not you know, people like
to say paying your dues. I feel like that's a
little bit deceptive every person in the world, no matter
who it is, no matter what it's for it to
be a nonprofit, it could be you know, supposed to
be saving the children, it could.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Be whatever at the core of you.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
If you're not doing the work and you're not on
this planet with the understandingapist to express your highest version
of yourself, there's going to be you know, you know,
on a scale a bit too small, like there's little
boo boos and uh ohs that you shouldn't be doing,
and then there's a big change things that affects, you know,
(13:16):
millions of people. And that's just the way humans are
till they learn there is a better way to do things.
I yeah, it is the human condition, which is why
it's in every industry and across the board. But there's
an extra layer of what I like to call texture.
When you are a black woman, if you think about
from the moment you started in this business to where
(13:37):
you are now, how would you describe it? Would you
describe it? And if we let's use references that people
could explain. Let's say when you first started, you were
you were going your appetizer and have you gotten to
the point where you're like, I got this entree and
I got this dessert, and when I walk in the world,
I'm just making up like an example of having a
little to a lot. How do you describe your journey
(14:00):
of being an artist from fifteen years ago to today?
I would say my journey of being an artist from
then to now is I just steel fulfilled in like home.
But I've always, you know, been a big head in
the clouds Delulu, where when I didn't have two pennies,
(14:24):
I still would save those ups, you know, have the
best experiences I could have. I was telling a friend
the other day, It's like I didn't have the money
to do this. But in the beginning of my career,
I actually to Paris just to get some Christian move
John custom shoes because I really wanted them. And by
the end of the trip it was only two days left.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I ran out of money.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I had to figure it out, you know, And I
never let my circumstance stop me from having a good time.
I don't know, you just have to make the best
right and I've alway as done that before I had
any sort of widespread recognition. So I feel, you know,
with with time and through my journey, all the experiences
(15:13):
that I've had, people that I've worked with, the ups
and downs, I just learned how to be comfortable and
vulnerable being myself in front of people. And that's the
hardest part, right is That's what authenticity is. It's just
like I own my mistakes. I own everything that I say.
Sometimes I might have like hair and makeup or an
(15:34):
outfit that is so great. I like, I don't feel
ashamed or embarrassed by any of my choices. I'm not
afraid to fail and look goofy or make a mistake.
And that is an amazing place to be, especially when
you're doing it on the ward stage.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, and that's the opposite of where most people live.
I have the same Lubaton story. I saved up all
my little pennies, went to Paris and I bought them
shoes and have no more money to eat food. I remember,
like it was yesterday. I was like, it's okay, it's fine.
I'm not even comfortable. The control gave me corns. But
I remember I just had that. But I was gonna live.
(16:13):
You weren't gonna tell me. I couldn't live. I'm gonna
walk around Paris and enjoy the architecture with my sage cross. Yeah,
for the whole time. Here there, everybody. You know what
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and here's more with money loans. Your first two LPs,
you were a writer for all these major artists, but
then you do your own work these two LPs. What's
the difference between writing for someone else and writing for
yourself and creating the work that you love. Uh?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
The difference to writing for myself writing someone else technically isn't.
There's no difference because it always comes from as I said,
channel right. Writing for myself THI though I know who
I am, I know what I will to alt say
things that I don't want to project onto myself or
anyone else. Writing love sotels are is so easy for
me because that's just who I am. I believe, I
(17:47):
believe in fairy tales. I read a lot of like
romance novels things like that, so that's decmential to me.
I just want to make people feel good, like I
know exactly what it is or sound wise, And it's
a lot easier to make music for myself because I
don't have to go through all these filters right So
(18:08):
like when I'm in a service position, when I was,
because I don't write for others anymore, and at least
not right now, I don't plan to in the near
few jugs want to take some time to explore myself.
But when I was in the service position, it was
like you have to kind of dig a little bit,
do extra work, find out like where are you at
(18:29):
in your life? You know, what do you want to
talk about? Where do you see this music being played?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Are you.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Are you in the club with it? Are you trying
to make stadium music? Are you trying to make something
that you can sing acoustically or do you want to
showcase like your voice or the lyrics. You have to
figure out what the artist wants to do. And I
think that's probably the best thing is that I don't
have to go through that anymore. I can just, you know,
(18:56):
wake up and be like this, this is what I
want to make, this is what I'm writing. Well, for me,
I would think that would be a tremendous amount of
pressure that would make my stomach curred, especially if I
and by the way, which is why you do what
you do, Especially if you're writing for an artist that's
already proven and has a style. Maybe that's even easier,
(19:16):
perhaps if they already have a style and the way
they want to go about it. But tell me about
a difficult time in the studio or what's arguably the
most difficult time for you as a creator, not necessarily
dealing with anyone else, but for you when you are
in a studio and you were singing and you wrote
it and it doesn't come out the way you want
it to, or it's not quite hitting exactly as you
(19:39):
wanted to. I'm assuming you've had those moments because artists
are so very material and protective and precise, So I
would think that you would want it to be perfect
or the vibe to be real and what you want,
and then you want that to come out the way
that you've had a couple of moments that weren't very becoming.
(20:00):
Was like maybe when the producer like, I don't need
a lot of coaching in hand help, you know, hand
holding when I'm working, I just kind of need you
to like, you know, play me what you got. Let's
get a little chord reversion going and leave and come
back for thus, you know, yeah, and man write really fast.
(20:22):
And I think the only time when it was like
difficult or it felt like it was kind of like,
you know, start to stop, was when I was in
the room with somebody who was just constantly like picking
apart the idea before it sort of presented itself as
it wanted to. Because I really think that, yeah, I
think like the songs tell us what they want to
(20:44):
be if you really pay attention to you sort of
like form themselves. And so when you have somebody just
like you can you change that lyric or I don't
like it really, like ba fam let me let.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Me do me please, you know what I'm saying. Let
me do it, and then come back with your critique.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, like if I don't even know what so yeah,
like yeah right right.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
You know, when you're dealing with someone like a producer,
do you say, wait, give me a minute, let me
just figure this out first. Do you say that tried.
I'll try that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But then if I feel too much resistance, whether it
comes from the artist or producer or even another co writer,
I'll let you know what. I'm gonna take a break.
I'm gonna go get some yogurt, you know, if you
take a walk it's kind of cold in here, or
go out and I let them have it, like maybe
there's something that y'all really need to get out. When
(21:35):
you need me, I'll be here. There have been sessions
where I just completely sit there and do nothing, and
I'll ask for anything either. Like you know that's the
thing too, where people just because they're in the room,
they want a percentage.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I don't believe in that. I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Say that again, because they're the room, they want to
what they want a percentage of the song. Oh yeah,
like they want They're like, while I was in the room,
I helped inspiration, Like no, I'm wow, Wait so you
don't do that. And it's because I'm a channeler right
that I know that that's not true. There's no way
because I'm getting these downloads directly.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Wait a second, So so if I'm a Carrie Carrie
chairbyan is a you know, the reason I am asking
you these ABC questions is because I just don't get it,
Like I'm not in your world. I don't understand it.
So I'm good at either. Yeah. So wait, you're telling
me I can I can quote unquote say I'm a writer.
I'm sitting in the room, I don't do anything, and
I got percentage because if you decide to go totally
(22:34):
different direction, I'm like, no, I was a part of
the inspiration. I was the vibe. I want to get paid.
People get paid that way.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Had that happened to me several times? Literally where you
know you're publisher or your manager session, you come and
we're supposed to write a song together. But I'm so
fat right, A lot of times I will have to
intentionally purposely include like what do you think about this
(23:00):
because it's not it's almost like, you know, like when
you're watching tennis and it's just going back, but you're
not playing with somebody who is as fast as you,
so you get got to slow down, you know, and
that's really annoying sometimes.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, so she just said it was too slow.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
No, seriously, like it's exactly like that, like listen, even
me ready when I'm ready, like this is this isn't
at the highest level, I can't slow down for you.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
And so.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I've had moments where I'm going so fast and it's
just coming. It's coming that Literally the co writer is
sitting there like.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
How is she doing this?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And they've you know how many times have I heard that?
You just did you write that? Right now? I'm like yeah,
you know yeah, And then they submit this splits afterwards
and it'll be like twenty five percent.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It's like, what girl waiting?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You can you can't negotiate that, correct? I mean in
the beginning, now I can. Now I'll just because I'm
willing to walk away. I'm just like, oh, you know what,
throw the whole song away. Help here. But in the beginning,
I had to be strategic, right because if it was
like a Mariah Carey or Madonna.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Right. I want that placement.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I want that credit because it only it expands my brand,
right and expands my network. And so sometimes I've taken
it on the chin just so that I could get
that credit because a lot of those artists I do,
legacy artists, they don't play that like you if you
if you don't get splited together, they won't use the
song because they don't want anybody coming back later and
(24:39):
try to claim anything and you know, hold up money.
So I had to, you know, be flexible in the
past in order to gain a certain amount of uh
status as a writer with the credits that I earned.
But now I don't do that and people be as
(25:00):
for publishing managers and artists like just to sing the song.
No judgment to people who do that, who allow that
to happen, but that's not a boundary that I can
allow to be you know, moved.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
In my case, I can't do it. I'm I'm even
more curious because I get what you're saying. Yes, Mariah, yeah, Madonna,
I'm not pushing back on that. I get the end goal.
It's a part of the end goal to get you
where this is a part of the journey to get
you where you want to be when you wow. So
when you have to sit in a situation that is
(25:36):
uncomfortable at this point of your career, you can walk away.
There there are fewer they are exceptionals now walk away.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
I just don't, like, I mean, even before I'm really
I have I have exercised the muscle of my intuition
and my inner voice right to where when an opportunity
is presented to me, immediately I check in with my
gut and if I you know, like you might see
(26:05):
me go and immediately if I feel any sort of
dread or hesitation, I'll be like, I'm not sure about
that one, let me think about it.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Or I'll be like, let's wait for like a week
or two.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
When usually those things end up being like God the bullet,
because there's things that you don't know, right, and who knows?
God knows you know you are a part of him,
and like just like your pinky is a part of
your body, you're a part of the overall and you
(26:42):
have access to the plans and the thoughts of your collaborators, right,
and so I believe that we're all connected and if
you just take a tiny second to just tap in and.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Be like, should do that? Is that a good idea?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Is that for my highest good? You know? Does that
take me in the direction that I ultimately want to go?
And you'll get a nudge, you'll get like a I'll
do that, or you'll get like a little flutter at
least that's what I did. I get like a little
like you know, and I have the ooh, that sounds fun.
Most of the time those experiences are the best ones.
So I've learned to really trust that.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It's almost like the best way to start out.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
And I get this example, like, have you ever been
running laid or waiting out the door and something tells
you grab a jacket, grab a jacket and you don't
do it, and then you be.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Cold, you know, So just start there, Start with that small,
simple thing.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Sometimes I'm walking through my house and you're ready to leave,
and I'll look at something and I'll have the urge
to just pick it up and get you with me,
like a notebook or a pen or something, and I'll
end up needing it later on in the day, or
i might need it the next day or something like that.
So I've really taken the time to just listen to
that small, still voice and become super familiar with.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
They're a songwriter, artist that you like in yourself too,
or that you admire that the way in which they've
been able to create their own and build in this industry,
that that is. Someone say that's the north Star. I
like for me, it's Oprah Like Auntie Oaps is my
g I'm like, we can do we can do no
love that Auntie Oaps can do no wrong. So someone's
(28:23):
talking about her, I'm like, I don't care slander, I
don't want to hear it. I love her. Is there
someone who is your Auntie Ops? If you will? I
have a few.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I was just watching some of those leaked clips of
the Kanye unreleased footage, and I'm just like, sometimes it
scares me because I hear him talking and a lot
of the things that he says I can relate to,
and I feel such a connection with him and just
how larger than life he is and how much impact
(28:53):
he has had his passion for music.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Even when Genius came out.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
A few of my peers called me and were like, Yo,
why can that documentary?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
All I could think about was you.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
You know, you remind me so much, and he's one
of my favorite creators in the world, like whether it's fashion, furniture,
or mass Yes, by the way, Yeah, so I would
say I would say Kanye don't as far as like.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Because he's dope. Well, I mean, you know, likes he does.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Say things sometimes that are very free thinking and against
what the general population may.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Believe or may be you know, ready to hear.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And so you know that part is kind of just
like hopefully he's okay, but artistically absolutely fashion you know,
just his vision.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Absolutely Kanye, he's okay. So I say that all the time.
I love Kanye is as as narrated as some very
significant portions of my life, like I he is, and
I'm able to separate the artists from the person sometimes
from the arts from the artists like some things. Yeah,
I don't fool with you with there, but as an artist,
(30:08):
no one could deny our talent.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And you're talking about that documentary. What I mean, he's
a genius, Like he really really is. I think that's part,
Like you know, sometimes we don't agree, you know, and
it's not just limited to Kanye, right, Sometimes I was
just saying this. I'm not gonna say no, but sometimes
you fall in love with an artist and you start
hearing them talk and he's like, yeah, I wish you
didn't talk like, you know, we don't have the same
(30:31):
views politically, or you know, there may be like certain misogynistic,
patriarchal things that you believe in that are just like
why would you say that? You know, But again, you know,
everybody's here for their own journey and everybody has freedom
of expression. I really try to just objectively observe and
that keeps you a lot of stress free, you know,
(30:53):
just kind of be like, oh that's how do you
feel about that? Okay, cool, you know, and just have
no o thing. You just like observe, right. But yeah, artistically,
man is definitely Kanye. I love Michael Jackson, Jeded Jackson, Aliyah.
These are people who just inspired me to want to
(31:15):
do music and you know, a yeah, I remember being
glued to the television watching their videos and their live shows.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So yeah, those people for me. Oh those that's a
great list. That's a great list. I mean, with that list,
let me ask you minus Alea because we didn't really
get to know her. She was gone. I think way
too soon and way too young, so we didn't get
to know her as I think a woman like a
full grown woman in a lot of ways. But when
(31:42):
you think of that list and now we watch those
artists grow up in front of us, literally all of them,
what do they have in common with you?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I would say, just like the musical choices, fearlessness, willingness
to be themselves, you know, I think that's what draws
me to a Michael or Conner and a Channon as
far as like pushing boundaries a lot of times, you know,
because you may or may not yet be established, you know,
(32:19):
as I reference before, people will look at you and
be like, who do you think you are? You know,
who are you to have that sort of confidence and
be so sure that you're going to do these things right?
And it isn't until after you do them that people's
perspective if you change it, and in the moment you
may be unsure. But then for me, I watch a
(32:41):
documentary or I see a little sixty second clip on
TikTok or on Instagram, and it is very much in
alignment with how I think, and you know, has value
these and principles that I would buy and so it's
just like constantly.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You know, I might drift a little bit.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
But you're like, oh, I don't know, maybe this isn't good.
And then I see something it was Nope, yeah, back
on direct, You're good, you know. And so I think
I like to do something called frequency matching, which is like,
there are people who are where I want to be
or who I've gone where I want to go, and
I just go and watch them and you know, align
(33:23):
myself with that frequency. So what I'll do is yourself
letting me what would that feel like? Man? That must
be amazing, you know, like when I go to a concert,
I don't just sit there and watch. I'm just like, Wow,
this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I love this for me.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
This is for me, like you know, and try to
elevate my my thinking, my acceptance, and my ability to
receive moments like that. And so I think I'm purposely
aligning myself with these people. Like maybe five years ago
I didn't have anything in common with them, but now
I do because I intentionally watch them and see what
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they're doing and how they're speaking, and who they're working,
what it takes to be It's gigantic.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Hey, y'all, it's that time again. We got to take
a quick break. This one's really quick, but you can
still fast forward through it. We'll be right back in
just a few moments with Money Long.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
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I had two correct me if I'm wrong solo epiece
(35:03):
before this latest single. Is that accurate?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Man?
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I wonder if you could walk me through what you
put out before and what this latest single is now.
Is there a difference in the messaging. Is there a
difference in your voice? Is there a difference in the
frequency your word? That means? I want to make sure
that I'm being accurate. Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
So I was independent for two years before I partnered
with Depth Chain, and I actually put out three epi's
one which I still own fully, and that was sort
of like me finding my voice, figuring out how I
wanted to present myself. What does money long look like?
What does she feel like? You know, like the words
(35:47):
you use, texture and what is my what is the texture?
What's my aesthetic? Just figuring out like how I wanted
to present myself. And it was in the mid like
literally in the middle of the pandemic. Everyone I wanted
to work with was available, was slightly more expensive because
we have to have COVID, you know, protocol. And so
(36:11):
at first EP I was discovering how I want to sing,
you know, do I want to have a soft voice?
Do I want to build? Don't want to be sexy?
Do I want to sound like a rapper? And so
I did a bit of all of that on the
first EP and then the second one was a little
bit more, you know, I branched out a little bit
(36:31):
more with the sound choices and the topics that I
talked about. I was a little bit more slip tongue
with the stories and some of the things that I
was discussing, and.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Then the third one I was, you know, I'm a lover.
I love love.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I think I said that already, and so I think
the common thread through all of them, and they're about
like relationships and even loving yourself and things like that.
And so this third one was really about love. And
then I actually made three different versions of it. So
it was the first one which was like seven songs,
(37:08):
and I did a second one which was like eight,
and then I added five more and put all together,
so it turned out to be eighteen songs. And I
didn't know which one was going to do anything. I mean,
we had our guesses. I just shot videos for everything
and go and behold hours and hours just exploded and
(37:30):
then you know, I hope you can continue. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
And that's a huge and exploded. It's like an under
cell of it. That's huge. To be nominated and to win,
it's huge, it's huge. It's huge.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah. I mean, to be a black woman in the
fourth quarter independent, you know, over the age that people
would generally say should be mainstream. Right, So I'm thirty five,
and I know people don't necessarily think you're viable any
certain age, which is it's so silk right, But I
(38:05):
did literally had every check every box that normally people
would say, hell no, absolutely notice it's not gonna work.
And not only did I have like this gigantic splash,
I denominated for three Grammys as an independent artist. That's
that's crazy. And one of them was Best New Artists,
(38:26):
which is like such a coveted, you know category, so
to be known as like, you know, you're you're one
of the best expressions this year out of all the
music that comes out me. I think they said there's
like thirty thousand new songs of a day, something crazy
like that.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Give me chills, give me killed chill, chills, like my arms.
I'm like, good for you. That's just put it in
context and sell that. Don't underseller. That's a that's bold.
Let me leave with that thirty thousand artists today somewhere
and then you tros something like that or a week.
It's a lot. It's a lot, like to be able
to narrow it down, you know what I mean. It's
(39:05):
it's like it's like watching TV. There's so much content
out there. How do you find what you're gonna watch?
How do you find the good stuff, Brandon.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I think I pay attention to the people, like what
they're saying, and feedback that that instant bio feedback is priceless.
When you put something out and it's not good, they
want to let you know. And I think, you know,
being a songwriter for so long, it doesn't hurt my
feelings because the only bad that I believe, the only
(39:32):
bad ideas. And when you don't say out loud, you
don't share, and so I take direction very well. If
somebody is like, don't do that again, you know, I
may or may not do it again. I just really
believe that it's an interactive experience, right because I'm not
making the music just for myself.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I want you to consume it.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So after I channelate and record it and make it
all pretty and take my pictures and shoot my videos,
the rest is up to y'all. I love it, So
talk to me as that inclosing, because I went aroundabout
way to get a good feel of who you are,
and I feel it. So I appreciate you for being
so candid and so honest.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
It's hard. It's hard for people to do that in general.
This latest single, what do you want the people to feel?
What do you want them to take away from it?
What was your headspace from writing?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think I would love for people to hear my
music and be inspired to just love, not be too cool.
You like somebody, call them you know you're not being thirsty,
and I simpen if you miss someone, tell them, right.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I think we need love right now, in this.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Time, in this generation, or so much crazy foolishness happening
and people arguing and like take me out of the
group jet police. I do not want to see you know,
your screenshots of you talking crazy to your significant others.
Just it really hurts my heart, Like I don't like
people get hurt, like the fighting video.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Just I just don't like it, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
And so my offering is of love, and that's what
the song is about. It could apply in any situation,
even though a lot of people are saying like, oh
my god, this is gonna be the next big wedding song,
which I received that yes, hope that happens me very much.
And it could be about the love between you and
your mother, the love between you and you know, your pet,
your your children, you know, your best friend, your sister.
(41:26):
It's just about feeling like you have a genuine, genuine
connection with someone like where have you been?
Speaker 2 (41:33):
All my life?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
And I'm sure everyone has had that at least one
time in their life with a friend, a brother, a colleague.
I just want to spread love, man, that's my ultimate goal.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Ding man, I want to spread love. Okay, I like it.
I received it. Money long. You've been a pleasure, and
I appreciate you for taking your time and being here
and being so patient.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Really, I mean, you're really be really honest and true
like some people are no naked. So yes, yeah, but
you are a knower. There's doers and knowers, and you
have both, so that's great. That's the way I term it.
Thank you again, good luck with everything. I am sure
that I will talk to you down the road at
(42:16):
in a different capacity on all your success and continued success.
I appreciate yeah, thank you so much much. I was
told a long time ago that people who are extremely
confident are knowers, and as a result, they become doers,
meaning if you know what your purpose is, you move accordingly.
If you know your value, you move accordingly. If you
(42:39):
know that something just isn't right, you learn and adapt
to speak up for yourself and people will say, yes,
you're difficult, and money Long says people have said that
about her as well, But I refuse that label because
I can relate to that. I refuse to hear that
I'm difficult and those who know what they want, for instance,
(43:00):
I know what I want, I know how I want
to move, I know how I want to be perceived,
I know my truth. Those are all qualities that are rare.
Those are all qualities that are rare in an industry,
in a world that wants you to be a copycat.
I want to learn from her today. As I looked
at her, she talked about her visions and what she
wants to do. I learned quickly that she was a
(43:23):
no and that no matter what, she wouldn't compromise. There
are parts of us who have to obviously look at
the bigger picture, respect the end game. But I don't
see money Long as someone who compromises often in her
belief in her art, in her work, and being an
advocate as an artist in this industry. I hope you
(43:44):
guys sense that. To me, that's a really huge lesson
to be motivated to believe in someone, to understand their vision,
to believe in their purpose and root for them. That's
how I felt at the end of this interview. I
was like, I root for her. I want her to
win because she's doing it differently and she's unapologetically different.
(44:05):
With that being said, make sure you support her latest single,
Ladies and Gentlemen Made for Me. Download it wherever you
get your songs Spotify, Amazon, Apple, the list goes on
and on, but support her. Artists like that truly need
to have our backing. And with that said, I appreciate
money Long for coming on the podcast today. A personal
(44:29):
update for all of you folks who listen to the
podcast day in and day out, I want to tell
you something. I have been able to have some really
interesting guests these last few weeks, and every single one
of the guests I feel are in alignment with life
and vision. Beth A Hartisan, a godmother of fashion, Money
(44:50):
Long Today an unapologetic artist, Stephen with Lindaz, someone who
truly was able to take art, as in dancing, and
turn it into his own world where he he can
help advocate for kids who are homeless. All of these
people are truly inspiring and it just reminds me the
vision of the purpose, and I hope you all feel
(45:10):
that way too. Whatever you're going through in life, whatever
you want to do in your personal and professional life,
be motivated by these people who share their stories. There's
a reason why they are who they are, whether you've
heard of them or not. It takes someone really special
to see a vision follow through, and I've been able
to bring that to you with these wonderful artists in
(45:33):
front of the camera, behind the scenes, dancers, singers, fashion icons.
The list goes on and on. I'm really proud of
what we're doing here with Naked, and I hope you
are too. Thank you for tuning in, and we'll talk
to you next week.
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