July 8, 2024 • 54 mins
Born into a well-known talented family that has made a lasting imprint in the world of Gospel music, the natural progression would be to follow in their footsteps. However, Deborah Joy Winans decided to live her life following the direction of her heart. Deborah Joy is best known for her role in Greenleaf and The Final Say. She joins us today to share a special story about the birth of her son, when Oprah called her, and her upcoming role in the allblk original series, Terror Lake Drive.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And she called me and with my phone ranging and said,
no caller Ida, And I said, Terrence, Oh my god,
do you think this is her? Do you think he's
a joy? Open? Answer the phone, Answer the phone, and
I did, and she said, Deborah Joy, it's Oprah. How
are you, joyt Oprah?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are you? I'm fainting. I'll call you back.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I said, I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Could you imagine Oprah telling you that she is going
to open the door wide open as far as she
could possibly open it and have you walk right through it.
That's the call I want. But I'm no, I'm no hater.
I'm extremely happy for my girl, Debla Joy. She is
the subject of this edition of Naked. Debahjoy whinings on
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the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Y'all, it's the greatest suspersion the entertainment Can nake You win?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Carry?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And Carrie Sheppy is going to be a champion, a
champion and Carrie Chappi and they girls pay y' a champion?
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Speaker 2 (01:18):
Hi? Hey, everybody, welcome to Naked. I tell you every
week I'm excited about guests. But this week I'm truly
excited about our guest. I have shared on the show,
and arguably the most honest way, I don't often find
people that I love and enjoy in my big age,
in my adult years, I have settled into my friends
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or my friends. I don't need no more new friends.
We all say that, and every now and again you
meet someone who changes your perspective on why that's not
necessarily true. And today's guest is that person. For me.
She's beautiful, she's an actress, she's a mother, she is
a wife. But she is also my friend. And and
(02:03):
not only is she my friend, I'm her cup of tea.
I recently have said, I know I'm not everybody's cup
of tea, but I'm her cup of tea, and that
I am grateful for. I forgot to mention she can
also sing. That's just also that's an asterisk to all
the many wonderful things that she can do. But when
I tell you her name, I'm pretty sure the last
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name registers for you. With a very talented family that
has arguably changed the face of gospel past, present, and future.
Deborah joy Winans is on the podcast today, Welcome My Love,
How are you.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I am speechless. Actually, Carrie, you are so my cup
of tea and that was just the sweetest thing. I'm
so happy to be here. I'm lovely. How are you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'm wonderful. You look beautiful as usual, you guys, I
normally don't do my intro. This was me just letting
her know that I wanted it to be heartfelt and
on authentic, because you have been assigned to so many
of us, and when I say us, our crew a
group of people that I hold near and dear. And
(03:12):
while they have loved you, I was late, they have
always loved you. I was late. I was late. But
now I'm on the train. I'm on the train, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Here better than never to the party. You are in
the party. You are in the room, and I am
the better for it. So thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You've had a phenomenal year. I hope that you've looked
at it that way. I think turning forty is beautiful,
still very young, it's a new chapter. You had a
baby at thirty eight, you're very and we'll get into that.
You talked about that. But at forty, there is just
this new lease on life. I think that you have mentally,
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physically professionally. Wow, so exciting. And I caught her a
mutual friend, and I said, well, what should I ask her?
I had? You know, I want to pretend like I
don't nowhere, and in fact, I haven't done a deep
dive about what it is you want professionally and personally.
It's just such a beautiful vibe that we have. I
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don't feel like I have to get in to tell
me more about who you are and what you've accomplished.
It's known you guys watch Green Leave for Character. Charity's
on that show from twenty fifteen until I believe twenty
twenty one.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes, ma'am, all five seasons.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And here we are. We don't even talk about that.
We talk about who you are. But the one thing
that I've always been curious about is you come from
this family, this musical family, and I think it would
have been a natural progression to be a singer. But
you are an actress. You are theater, that is where
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you live. How does one do that in the Wining's family?
How does one do that?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Decide to be courageous, side to be bold, decide that
the dreams that God has put in your heart, while
they feel different from seemingly everybody else's. They are your
dreams and you are meant to pursue them, and so
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it was. It was difficult. It was difficult telling everybody, Oh, no,
I do theater, and they're like, what is there you
gonna say? Way, my granddaddy did tell me Broadway is
the way to hell. The way to God is narrow.
That's what the boby says. I said, Jesus, Okay, what
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can I make it? That felt like a sentence. But
you just you just decide to be bold. And I
knew it was all I wanted to do, and I
risked it. That's all I risked it. I got talked
about a bit. People didn't fully understand me. Even now,
(05:59):
people will say, so you took a leap from singing
to acting, and I was like, no, there was no leap.
I did not sing before acting. This is all I've
ever loved. Since I was a little girl. My parents
used to take us to the movies every weekend. We
would do double features, and I was mesmerized by the screen. Carrie.
I just looked at it and was like, that's what
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I want to do, and nothing was going to stop me.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So being a woman in this world wanting to be
an actress, and then coming from a family where I'm
pretty sure it was presumed what you would do. How
has that affected your personality and how you are with people.
Do you hesitate to bring your full self? I wonder.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I think that I used to hesitate to bring my
full self because I didn't know if people would see
me the way I want it to be seen.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Coming from this family, which I am grateful for, I
praise God for, it's been an amazing foundation. I recognize
the shoulders that I stand on, and I will always
give them their flowers. I'm one hundred percent their biggest fan.
I will sit there and listen to every single album
any day of the week. I will go to every concert.
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But coming from this family, people assume that you are
a certain way. Even when it comes to the roles
that I would like to take as an actor, A
lot of times it can seem very limited because people
are like, oh, well, you just want to do faith
based films. No, and I have nothing against faith based film.
(07:50):
I am an actor to my core. I want to
slip into a character. I don't want to find myself there.
I want to find someone completely different. My faith is
who I am. Every day, playing a different character is
something I get to create, and that is the joy
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for me. So a lot of times I find it
difficult for people to see me the way I would
like to be seen, and so for quite a while
I did hesitate to fully step into a room and
own every bit of who I am. But I think
that with age, I think that with my amazing spouse,
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who has allowed me to see me for me, I've
been able to kind of come out of that show.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Okay, so let me just set the scene on what
I think and you can you can correct me, because
I remember, you know, growing up, Chush was very much
a part of our lives. But when I found God
on my own end as adult, I was like locked in.
I was like, if you talk to me, you get
in free by ball, Like I remember being in college.
I remember all of the things. And then there was
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a part of me, and I don't want to say
that I stepped away from the faith, but there's a
part of me that settled and I wasn't so Bible
thumping as people would say, and there's nothing wrong with that,
but I do know there was a part of me
that missed out on worldly culture, and I have to
be reintroduced to worldly culture. And I and I see
it as your family every night and ain't not watching
(09:23):
nothing too worldly? You know, the kids ain't watching nothing
too worldly. You turn off that secular music, like I
see that. That's how you. I feel as if that's
how you grew up. So I feel like that would
take an incredible amount of courage and intestinal fortitude to
live in a world Hollywood, because Hollywood, by by by
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all means, is tough. Being an actress, by all means,
is hard. I people will ask you day in and
day out to compromise. So while even knowing going into
this profession, they would ask you to do this, knowing
your background. Do you ever struggle? I mean, yes, you
are an actress, But do you ever struggle and say, God,
I can't take that wrong. God, I wish I could
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do that. God, I wish I could say that.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You know I don't struggle. I don't struggle, And I
think it's because I know who I am, I know
what I've been called to do, and as I've gotten
older and really fallen in love with myself, I think
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the way I grew up I became a lot more
judgmental because of how I was taught instead of just
living life. And baby, let me tell you, if you
just keep living, as the older people would say, just
keep on living, you gonna stop judging, you gonna stop canceling,
You're gonna stop acting like you are just the most
righteous thing in the world. It is not possible. Okay.
(10:55):
So I think when I when when my husband told
me you are not perfect, I was like, what excuse me?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Tears? Didn't I say that? How dare he? Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
He did?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Girl, how dare he look? And when I it really
busted my bubble. And then it allowed me to see
all of who I am and to be happy with it,
the flaws, the beauty, whatever it is. See it all
as beautiful, see it all as God's creation, and see
it all as a journey to com continue to work
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on who I am and who I've been called to be.
And so once I got to that stage of loving
all of me, the good and the bad, I made
a choice. I don't go into anything without my boundaries
already set, and so I know my boundaries. So if
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there is something that I think is necessary for the
role that I'm not willing to do then it's no,
that's not for me, and I'm okay with that. But
my boundaries have were sat a long time ago. And
unless I feel, you know, the Lord shifting that in me,
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it's not a whole lot that I'm not willing to
sit down in a room and create and allow the
gifts that I know God has given me to flourish.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
When you got green leaf, what did the family say? Congratulations?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
There were there were some congratulations, there were happy're happy? Yeah, yeah,
uncle Bib. Uncle Bibe was extremely happy for me. You know,
that's my homie. Uh he he really is a g
at sixty one, he is killing young.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I didn't know who to me, that's young, Like he
still has so much life, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
He does, and he will let you know that he
has a lot of life, but not after ten pm
he will be in y. I did get a few
more reserved comments and a few why would you ever
(13:14):
do that? This is about the church. They're trying to
make the church look bad. They're trying to make God
look bad, and you need to say no. And I
got a lot of that, and I think maybe sometimes
they were reading the summary of the show without actually
watching the show, and they didn't ask me how it happened.
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And to me, that is one of the biggest keys
that let me know this was one hundred percent for me.
I graduated with my Masters in acting in twenty ten,
and I was doing all these other things theater wise,
and I got married in twenty thirteen, and I remember
feeling frustrated in fifteen. I just said, Okay, God, if
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this is what you have for me, I need you
to open the door, and I need you to do
it in a way that only says you.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Two days after that prayer, my uncle called me to
tell me Oprah asked him to ask me to email
her my head shot and resume because she had something
that she thought.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Okay, great for so guys, this is when we wrap
naked guys the show. Y'all know how I feel about Antiopes.
You know, I met her once high and by to
two photos, I still put them up like she my auntie.
This woman just came on my podcast and was like
my uncle Pebe called me and was like, Oprah's like
email me. Oprah's like email you don't do don't do that.
Don't do that to me. You know she the reason
why I do what I do.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's rude, but that isn't that isn't that wild and amazing?
Like this is two days after I said, God, I
need you to do this. I need you to open
up the door.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Thank you father.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And so it's like, okay, wow, So I do. She
writes me back. She's like, hey, Cat, I have.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Your phone number. I want to slam my laptop down
Missus Wilber. I'm angry with you right now. Love jealous
like Carrie.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It blew my mind. And she called me and when
my phone ranging and said no caller ID and I said, Terrence,
Oh my god, do you think this is her?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Do you think? He said, Joy?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Open answer the phone. Answer the phone and I did,
and she said, Deborah Joy, it's Oprah. How are you, Joy? Oprah?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I'm fainting. I'll call you back.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I said, I'm good. How are you? And she said,
I know, things seem crazy. I'm asking you all these questions.
Long story short. Once I can give you more information,
I will. But there's this show that I'm reading that
I think you would be wonderful for. And when I'm
mentioned you to the network, unfortunately, nobody knew who you were.
(16:03):
And I said, well, they wouldn't. I haven't done anything yet,
and she said that's okay. I think that they'll see
when it's they'll I think that they'll see what I
see when it's time for you to audition. So I'm
going to forward your stuff to Lionsgate. I'm going to
open the door for you as wide as I possibly can,
and when it's time for you to do it, you
just do what you winding to do. And I was like,
(16:25):
uh huh uh huh, thank you, thank you so much.
Next thing, I knew I had an audition. I went in,
did the audition, didn't hear anything for like a week
and a half and I thought, oh my god, that
I was terrible. And then they reached out to put
my deal together. Now I had never been that far.
I was like, what does that mean? What did you
deal look like? And this was a d offer and
(16:48):
I said, ooh, TERA's taking out. Terrence's an attorney, my husband,
and I said, TERA's take it taken. He said, as
your husband, I'm very happy for you. He was like,
they are expecting a response, and I'm going to give
them more. I was like, what don't you Just like
I just yes, that's all I need. And to his credit,
(17:09):
he worked that thing out and there's some stuff and
I was like, oh my goodness, but he did the deal.
They called me in to do one more audition with
the creator of the show, which is Craig Right. They
said it would be like a twenty minute work session.
I was in there for five minutes and I thought, again,
oh my god, I blew it. They called me the
next morning told me I got it. And so to me,
(17:31):
that is a testament of being in the right place,
doing what I'm supposed to be doing, being ready, not
just saying God, I want this, but being ready and
seeing how God answered my prayer. And so to you know,
any of my family or anybody just in the church
that felt like, oh, you shouldn't be doing this, this
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is wrong. I know the journey that God has me
on and I'm good with it. I know how things
have happened. And when you see how the Lord works
things out in your life, you don't doubt that people
may not see it. And everybody's not always going to
see the vision. It's up to you to see it
and keep going so they'll see it. Soon enough. They'll
catch on soon enough. I'm good with it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah. The vision not a conference call, right, the the
purpose is not a conference call. It's just for you.
But let's go back to Auntie Oap. Yes, I'm going
to open up the door as wide as I can.
Whoa yeah, yeah. I always say hold the door open,
but my boo said, because she's a billionaire, I'm gonna
hold the door as wide open as I possibly.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Can, wide open as I possible.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Don't take that. I'll take that nugget. We gotta pay
some bills. You understand how that works. So we're gonna
take a quick break. Maybe a little longer than a
quick break, but we're going to take a quick break
and we'll be right back in just a few moments.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
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They care Chappy and they be a champion. They care
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Speaker 1 (19:14):
Care with chat.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Welcome back to the podcast. Deport Joy Winings is sharing
all things, and if you haven't figured it out, yes,
she is my friend. We do hang out and it's
always hard for me to interview people that I know.
But this was very, very not only entertaining, but educational
and inspiring. I hope you feel the same. Depor Joy
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winens are naked, Okay, so then you get this role.
Everyone's not excited, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You are.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
You understand the vision absolutely, and you then step into
this vision so beautifully. But as I know you, I
watched you transform, and I wonder from the moment I
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met you to now I feel not necessarily a different person,
but mentally physically. Have have your fans adjusted to depor
joy two point oh after Green Leaf? Are they? Are
they excited for a deper joy two point oh?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I think that they are. I've gotten a lot of
really wonderful feedback. And I think, honestly two point oh
probably started when I got pregnant, and I had already
started my weight loss journey. So when I got pregnant,
I was like, wait, what house way? But we know how,
(20:47):
we do know how? And yeah you know you Oh yeah, yeah,
Well you've got somebody just loving and loving you.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Ain't thinking sometimes yeah, you're like, okay, amen, praise.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It was real, it was good. I knew I knew
when that happened. I said, okay, that was that night,
so I knew exactly when. And so I think for me,
that was such a shift in my mind that because
I was told so many things. I was told, maybe
(21:18):
we let this go because your five roids are too big.
I had one that was twenty two centimeters, and so
my doctor initially was like, maybe we terminate, we get
rid of the five roids, and we start over, because
I don't see a space where this child will grow.
There's no space.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Wow wow wow.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And then if we don't do that and you keep it,
there may not be space and you will probably miscarry
quite early. And I was just sort of flabbergasted by that.
But then my husband stepped in and he said, okay,
so number one, this is all your choice, he said,
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But number two, I wanted to know, will will she
be in pain? Is there anything that could hurt her
in the midst of this, Like is she gonna be okay?
Because that's my biggest thing. If she's not going to
be okay, then we're going to find something else. And
the doctor said she'll be okay, but she'll be in
a lot of pain, and I said, well, I can
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take pain. I didn't really know what I was saying.
It was a pain that to this day, it is
the worst pain I have ever felt. And I had
to go through the bulk of this pain by myself
because I was in Canada shooting a film and it
was still during COVID, so my husband couldn't be there,
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and I it would take me twenty minutes to get
up because the pain was so severe. It would take
me to my knees. I would be on my trailer
on the floor in tears, trying to gather myself and
put my clothes on so that I could go shoot
this scene. And it was the first time where I
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didn't not I'm usually very optimistic and I usually see
the other side of the trial or whatever I'm going through.
This was the first time I could not see the
other side. I was in tears and I was like, God,
what did I do to be in this wilderness? But
then my mind shifted and I just started saying thank you,
thank you for whatever this is, thank you for this child,
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thank you for maturing me, thank you for showing me
everything that you've called me to be. And they told me,
my doctor said, if you can get me to twenty
eight weeks, then I know your child is going to
be okay. So baby at twenty eight weeks, Jamel and
Kelly threw me a baby shower to remember, and I
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finally took a breath and I celebrated, and then I
took some pictures and I did an article with Essence
because I wanted people to know, especially women of color,
the doctors are not checking for us with these fibroids.
So I wanted to be as transparent as I possibly
could so that women who are wanting to have a kid,
make sure you ask them to check for this. Make
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sure you know what's going on in your body so
that you don't have to go through this amount of
pain that I'm going through. But that was where I
think my two point oh came in and I was like, oh, oh,
we about to were about to figure this out. I
was very much so into my health. I was very
much so into figuring out how to be a mom.
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I was into not trying to do a snapback, but
a real journey. And I had that baby three weeks
early he was eight pounds. I got rid of the five.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
He was perfect, so sweet, just a kind. He was
such a kind baby. He was a happy baby and
a sleepy baby. So I didn't have those woes of
I think the Lord realized he needed to give me
something because we were able to sleep. He came out
and was sleeping all day, all night, just the sleepy baby.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Put your rest on, get it human, busy. This was tough, busy, Okay, tough,
And so he.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Came out perfect, wonderful, fully healthy. And then four weeks
after my C section, I got my fibroids removed and
then I was back at it with my trainer. I
was like, Okay, we got to take it slow, but
this is my goal. This is what I want. And
slowly but surely we have rebuilt my mind, my spirit
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and my body to what I've seen in my head.
And like I said before, you can't ask God for
things that you are not preparing for. And I think
a lot of times we say, oh, I want this,
I want that God do this for me, do that
for me, but we are not ready. And so I've
said quite a bit, oh I want to do some
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marvel stuff. I want to do superhero stuff. I want
to be able to run. I want to I want
to do thriller, I want to do action. So I
put myself in a body that can handle that. And
so that's I speak it, and I ask God for it,
and that I prepare for it so that I'm ready.
And so this two point zero, I think my fans
are really embracing. They are embracing the motherhood of me.
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They are embracing the whole journey, the being honest about
where I am with my body and what's happening. I
think that this world embraces honesty. I think they embrace
I make it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
They want it, they want it. They want you to
be as honest. And by the way, it's so incredibly
like I said, you just have so much courage because
it's so incredibly vulnerable to do what you do, to
be an artist where you put your art up in
front of everyone and say, hey, do you like it?
But you do what do you feel of it? Do
you think you like it? Because I still think artists
are sensitive. I consider myself an artist in a lot
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of ways. I'm super sensitive, which is why I find
a prism to protect myself with my tribe, and when
I venture out of it, I'm not like, this makes
me nervous, but okay, you know what I mean? Like
all of that, I first of all, you look good too,
y'all go on to Instagram. She's so fine. She's so
damn vine. She'd been fine, but she's so fine. We
were in a wedding together, our friend Kelly Carter got
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married and the bride'smaids was fine. It was me, it
was you, It was a whole bunch. There was this
brown girl dreaming and I was like, I love everything
about this. It was just a beautiful experience. But what
I did also see in you at the wedding and
obviously all the events that we did leading up to
the wedding, was that you are very comfortable in your
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own skin. And that's hard to be as an actress.
And in a world of so many beautiful brown actresses,
do you ever get into the for just even a moment,
the comparison of time, I wish so and so I
auditioned for that role and they gave it to I
won't say a name, and they get it to her,
(28:07):
and so why her? You know what I mean? Not hating,
but just like why her. My business is very different.
They'll come to me and say, Carrie, this is your gig.
But if I see somebody else doing a gig, I
know that should have been I'm like, dang, I guess
it wasn't meant for me. But I could do that too,
But they're very specific of who they're looking for. And
when you're auditioning and you're down to the one in
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the two and they take the other one, how do
you feel? How do you handle that?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Sometimes it's difficult. If it's a project, I really really
really want it.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Do you have one you can share? You don't have
to tell me who got it? Oh, you might excuse
my friends. You might end up telling me who got
it by saying what it was. Okay, never mind, go
go go.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
There was one the year that actually I found out
I didn't get it the day after I found out
I was pregnant. It was hard because I really really,
really really wanted it. At the end of the day,
there was so much physical that came along with that role,
(29:12):
and I never would have been able to do it
justice because that pregnancy from the start had me in
a pain that I, as I've told you, could not
fully describe. So I know that wasn't for me, and
I fully believe that with everything when you don't get it,
I fully believe it just wasn't for me.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
The only thing that I don't compare. I just have
noticed the couple times that I don't get the thing
that I really wanted, they've gone with a completely different look.
It's been light skin. I'm like, okay, and so from that,
(29:59):
and it's about the person that actually got it, because look,
I'm always gonna cheer you on, especially a woman of color. Baby,
I've got your back, your front, your side, like I
love it, because I believe that what is meant for
you is meant for you, and whatever God has for me,
he has for me. I was sad to hear that
(30:20):
it was Oh well, they wanted this more quintessential beauty,
and they felt like that was in this. So the
quintessential beauty is the light, not the dark. That's what
we're still fighting in Hollywood. And I'm like, guys, so
(30:42):
that's not okay. But I don't I don't find myself
comparing and thinking in a way, well, why not me?
It just wasn't for me. But when I hear that
the mindset behind it is oh, well the light skin
is prettier, or the light skin looks better, or the
(31:04):
light skin. Then it's like, guys, has why are we
doing that?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
So old?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
We're still and again we're still doing that. And that
is something that caused me to look at myself and say, oh, well,
maybe you know you're not And then I said, I
am everything I am meant to be. I am fully enough,
and they just didn't see it. But also it wasn't
meant for me.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It wasn't meant for you. That's it. That's it, because
if that's what you wanted, you didn't want me and
I didn't want to and don't squeeze me into something
you don't want me for. Well, I'll tell you what
you are wanted for. So I am getting these emails
for this, this lovely show, this premiere, and I couldn't
make it because I was on the East coast and
I'm all like, wait a minute, is this Debora Joy show?
(31:53):
By the way, when I say your name, I say
it with an accent depa Joy do? What do I do?
It's very say why why are you offended by that?
Am I doing something wrong? Because I feel like I'm
culturally appropriating and I'm all like, never Joy, deble Joy,
look deble Joy. The first in the middle name. Is it?
Is that all one name? By the way, is it
(32:13):
deb Joy? Is it just Deborah?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
But but I'm like, I don't like Deborah alone.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Okay, I've never heard. And we mostly call you Joy.
We mostly call you Joy. We all we all call
her joy. Y'all can call her Joy, your mama call
you Joy. I'm gonna call you Joy. I'm kidding. So
I find it interesting about what you talk about this
the color dynamic, because that never comes into play with me.
And I really and I'm really blessed because I just
(32:41):
never had that issue growing up. I was always brown.
But I did notice in college that they did prefer
women who were lighter in certain instances, they being men
in certain instances. But it never really permeated me or
affected me. I was just like, y'all stupid, I'm fine.
That's That's one thing my mama did give me is
a lot of confidence, no humility, lots of confidence. I
(33:02):
had to let the world burn me. I gave it
to me. Yeah, but you have this new show. I
just celebrated your birthday with you in Coppo. It was fabulous, y'all.
It was fabuous. If y'all saw all those pictures, I
posted an Instagram. It was dep Joy's birthday and we
was living. It was a beautiful, beautiful experience. God, I'm
(33:24):
so blessed. I'm so blessed that I can have those
experiences and meet new people. You have a great crew
of wonderful people, and you brought all your crew together.
It was just beautiful. See us us Blacks just out
there living the highest of heights.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
We were up there.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We were up there, girl, We was living.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
We were we were throwing it and we was throwing
it a girl, We.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Were throwing it. Y'all. Go to the because we rented
a boat. Go to the boat pictures. I'm gonna have
to go, by the way when this episode airs. I
hope my producer Jacquise and Dwayne remind me. I'm going
to post a series of photos so you can know
how we were living. Had a great time. But you
looked amazing. You were surrounded by so much love and
you and you, and you're so elegant and graceful with
(34:07):
it all, which is enviable. Right, Like you have to
really pay attention to how you receive the love that
you give and how you share the energy with everybody
because you were sharing it. You and you and Terance
are so lovely that way. But then you have this
new show that you've been dying to talk about but
you can't because of the strike and all so this
stuff that's going on, and now it's here. How do
(34:32):
you feel about being the lead? My stomach, Oh my god,
my stomach hurt just jumped saying that for you. How
do you feel about being the lead on Tara Lake Drive? This? This? This?
This thriller? This anthology thriller. Kelly schooled me about today
in terms of anthology, the words, big words, and how
do you feel about it? I watched the promo. I mean,
(34:53):
you're great. I'm not even you're great. You're great, You're great,
You're You're a great actress. That's not even the how
do you feel about carrying a project?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So while we were in the middle of working, we
were shooting this in April and May of this year,
and I felt like I was in my bag. I
felt like I was just growing and hitting new strides.
So I felt really really good. When we rapped and
(35:27):
I would always check in with the director and writer
and make sure he was getting what he wanted and
shout out to Jerry Lemoth because I met him and
you just never know how God is lining things up.
I met him while I was in the worst pain
of my life in Canada shooting that Christmas movie. He
was the director, Oh wow, and he kept saying, I
(35:51):
really want to work with you again. Now you hear
that in Hollywood and you're just kind of like, okay, sure, whatever.
And then he actually reached out. He reached out when
they were doing season two and I just had my
baby so I couldn't do it. And then he reached
out again when they were about to start season three,
(36:14):
and he was like, I am telling you, as I write,
all I see is you. This has to happen. We
have to figure this out. And so we got our
teams together to figure it out. And so to work
with someone that had already worked with me and wanted
to work with me again. I am a fan of that.
(36:36):
I am a fan of going where you are embraced
and loved and celebrated because the work is already going
to be difficult. We shot seven episodes in twenty six days.
It was grueling, but to do it in a place
where you are loved and taken care of and celebrate
it means the world. And so it also created a
(36:58):
space for me to really grow and thrive. And so
I would always check in with him and He's like, no,
this is exactly what I wanted. And then some I'm like,
we're doing this. This is great. So when we wrapped,
I felt like I did what I did. And then
as we got closer to uh, that private screening, I
(37:19):
was like, oh god, I invited people. Yeah, it is
my work going to stand. Am I enough? Am I
enough to carry a series?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah? Yes, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yes, yes, service Carrie, I got to answer for you.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You are ahead. I just I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And when we sat there in that screening, first of all,
to do that with your people.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Who is the best, because I'm pretty sure everybody was
hyping you up. I don't know. I don't know. I
already know, just.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
My name coming on the screen and we were so
black that jo.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Never joy.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It was all of that. And then the first time
my face was on the screen, everybody went to cheering
and clapping and I just was like, oh, and then
we settled in and we watched two episodes and you
could hear a pin drop. Oh wow, the work is there.
The work is there. And then a lot of the
(38:26):
people that I have worked with, my Greenley family, my
friends that know me, that have seen me from the beginning,
were like, oh, joy, this is another level. Your work
is another level. Not only are you coming on here
and just sort of commanding with your presence alone, but
then you deliver. I said, oh, okay, so okay, I'm enough.
(38:53):
I'm enough to lead a series, and I'm excited about it.
I am really excited about it. It's very different from
anything I've ever done. And it's good.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
It's really good. Hey, guys, two things just happened. The
first thing is that she just gave me the name
of the podcast, I Am Enough, right, this is this
episode is called I Am Enough. The second thing is
what people who are forward facing rarely do. And I'm
talking about people who present their work, who have accolades,
(39:27):
who've done they rarely say it's good. You rarely tell
yourself how great you are or how good you are.
It's just hard. It's hard to do that. It's hard
to see it because we've been taught to pick ourselves
apart in a world that is picking us apart too,
So we join in for you to say it's good,
like I'm good means it's excellent. And I am so
(39:49):
proud of you for saying that out loud with conviction
and believing it and understanding, Yes, I am this good.
You're like I is it just me? I'm watching and
it's good. And by the way, it's streaming today, available
today today and today whenever this airs is today, that
(40:09):
means go down and stream it All Black Network, right, yes,
stream weekly?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Watch you new episode weekly?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Or how many did you drop? How many did they dropped? Today? One?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Just one?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Just one? So we just tuned us in. We got
to you just bringing us along, Bringing us along, bringing
us along.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Seven episodes, seven episodes, baby, and they they continue to
grow with each episode. We got to watch two and yeah,
it's really it's really good. It's interesting. The writing is
very interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I'm sorry, wish I know what it's about. Can you
tell everybody what it's about? Can the anthology serious it's about? Way?
I'm like, wait, hold on, we're having class just by ourselves.
Tell everybody what it's about Yes.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
So Terror Lake Drive season three summer purge uh on
a family, a Georgian family who I play, a teacher
who has two kids, very in debt, trying to find
a way out, and this summer she is trying to
figure out what all she can do to make some
(41:16):
extra money to keep her family afloat. And she mysteriously
inherits this multimillion dollar estate in a place called Lake Levy.
And when they go to check out the estate, things
start happening and all that glitters is not gold. And
(41:38):
it gets to a point where you have to figure
out what's important, how to maintain, how to keep your
family together, and how to.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Survive Dantan, Dantan and y'all dealing with Like, I mean,
it's good, y'all. I just okay, by the way, by
the way, I'm just talking about the trum, the trailers
and what I've been able to ascertain. I didn't get
to watch the full episode, but just the little bit
that I have been able to see, I was like,
I'm already mad, and I'm already locked in. I'm already
(42:09):
mad as a black person, and I'm already locked in,
and I'm ready to beat everybody up. But I love it.
I love it, I love it, I love it. Just
the joy. This is the joy, for double joy of joy.
Paying bills pressed fast forward, fast forward, That little fifteen
second sign will be right back in just a few moments.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Very Chappion and Cary Chappion is to be a champion
out of Champion and carry Chappion and carry Chatty out
a Champion and carry Chappie and and carry Chappy Sports
and Entertainment cant naked word, Harry Champion and Carrie Chappy
is to be a champion out of Champion and Carrie
(42:47):
Chappie and the girls out a champion and carry Sheppion
and Carrie Sheppy Entertainment can nae work you guys?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
So so Deborah Joy says things like I'll just take
a a bit, and I've been using it ever since
because black people, our measurements are very bizarre. I'll be
there in a little bit. What is a little bit?
Uh right back? Real quick, real quick? What's real quick?
(43:15):
What exactly is a tange? What's a scoach?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
It's you know, it's a bit. It's just it's a bit,
you know, it's just a bit. It's a tange. You know,
I think it's self explanatory.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, I just have a change. Like she was like,
I'm the one ready to drink wine as I'm doing
during this podcast, and she's like, I have a change.
I was like, what is a change? I don't know.
Is that a taste? What is it? So?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So a change is like put a tank of orange
juice in my champagne.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I don't want to just a you get it. You
don't need to know the measurement, but you get it. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I told someone I was I was sitting in the
makeup chair for some reason, the makeup trailer was hot,
and I said, who it is hot as the Dickens.
And my makeup artist was like, well, where's the Dickens?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, where's that located? And why is it so hot?
Speaker 3 (44:14):
There?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
All the questions and why is it.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
The Dickens?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Is A hot.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Is whatever you need it to be. It can be cold,
it can be hot as the Dickens.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
This is hot as the Dickens up in here. Okay, Well,
whatever you will want. When you're trying to describe how
you have fun, what measurement is that we had so
much fun. It was like a ball of fun, a
load of fun. Is there a measurement for fun for you?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
No, because I'm always having fun. I am always and
and I've learned this and I think my son, my
friend Anika told me the other day, she said, I
think this is just a gift of yours joy. And
it's not to say that life does not life, because
it does every single day. I think for me, I
just choose the joy. I just choose to be happy
(45:08):
because it is easy to just look at life and
linger on it and be sad at some of the
circumstances that you may find yourself in. But I just
choose to be happy because life is too short, and
so I don't have a measurement because I feel like
(45:29):
it's always me like I'm just jamming. I'm jamming on
the one all the time.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
You are, and you always like I'm ready to finish
some Sorry, I excuse my friends. I have to like,
I won't start it, but I'll finished something. I'm ready
to be mad at somebody real quick when they give
me attitude, and you just be like, girl, I'm not
even I love that about you. I love that you're
like I don't have time for that, like that person
is not even a worthy opponent, Like, let's focus on
(45:56):
the joy to you.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
They're fully not. But also if my friend comes to
me Carrie talking about so and so did this, then
well yeah we need to do sure, yeah, sure, let's get.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I am Yeah, yeah, yeah we will. Yeah yeah, I don't.
I don't want to. I'm not calling you a punk. No,
you will scrap. She will scrap, y'all. Don't get her
confused on set, praise the Lord, but she will scrap.
We will fight. Amen, So can we tell everybody about
before I let you go? First of all, I need you,
guys to really truly support this project. She is She's
(46:32):
a gift on screen and off screen, just a gift.
So we have to support. We have to support our
black projects. We have to support the people who who
stand in the gaps for us as a culture, especially
black women. We have to fight so many battles on
so many different levels. And when you are quote unquote
doing it all right and you're still fighting battles because
(46:53):
you're still not meeting requirements, you know the world is
not right. So we must support. We must watch you guys,
watch if you don't watch, I'm gonna beat you up.
But with that being said, can we talk about how
much fun we had for your fortieth birthday? She just
dropped Anika out Anika NONI rose, and I didn't know
who it was. I will be honest. I am the
(47:14):
friend who doesn't know any Hollywood stars there except I
do know, Oprah, I do know. I know, Yeah, you
you've been living. You've been living, you've been living.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
We yeah, we and and you know, and shout out
to my husband and shout out.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
To oh, oh, your husband did that. Your husband did that.
Her husband put together a really beautiful, elevated experience. Usually
Manna be like, you need, what do you need? You
need food? You needed it, and everything's fine. We're fine.
We had everything, everything, dinner, it was just beautiful. The
(47:53):
weekend of like you had you had eighteen events. You
had eighteen events. She had eighteen events for her forties.
I'm not coming to no more events. I'm done eighteen.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
There were so many, there were so many, but he
just I told him, probably starting at like thirty six,
forty is going to be very special. And I need
you to understand that. He's known how big birthdays are
to me. Every birthday. I'm going to celebrate every birthday,
but forty I was very vocal about I wanted to
(48:27):
be really amazing, and so at the top of the
year he reached out to Slow Meek, who is such
an amazing event planner. She has so many incredible ideas
and she does things very much so tailored to who
(48:47):
you are. And so I had a surprise brunch where
it was just all of these amazing women in my
life who I love dearly, and it was stunning. It
was gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
I love.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I had never seen a flower bar. You could make
your own bouquet. There was a champagne bar, yes, because
we gonna drink some champagne. Okay. There was food, the flowers,
the chairs, everything was so beautiful. And then there was
a four string quartet playing all this rap.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
It was.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
It was fantastic, like it was bougie and black and
Detroit and it was all the things that I feel
like I am wrapped up in one and it was
so beautiful. From the brunch to the party where just
my people, it just felt like so much love. And
that's the biggest thing that I took away from my
birthday weekend, from all eighteen events. There was love. You
(49:43):
could cut that love with a knife. Everybody was there
because they wanted to be there, and I felt like
I was wrapped up in all the love I could fathom,
and that was really beautiful. A lot of times you
are focused on how you give that to the world.
To get that to your people and to feel like
come back to me was overwhelming and amazing. And I'm
(50:06):
still living high off that baby lit it.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Shout out to my man Terrence. He did a great job,
you guys.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
She got it.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
She got a winner. And he's just Also I read
that he was like, you guys are really good friends,
if not best friends before you started dating. He's a
really good friend. Like I don't he's on my fair
like that, but he could be. I could call him
and be like, I can call Terrence to ask about
you and what we do in which I have in
terms of the plans for the party. And then it's
thirty minutes later, I'm like, so, Like I was saying,
(50:34):
what should we like, he's just that person. Do you
want to tell them all your business?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah? Mine is still in my son classes. Oh, I know,
I'll keep it. Mine is still in my son's classes.
He will still he did steal them, uh huh and
wore them as.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
If they were his.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Steal them.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, to be your own people. Yeah, and I should
just give those I need to retire them. That I
still wear them. I need to retire them and just
give them to him. Because he did look better. I
didn't want to dontell him. I said that he did
look better, the hair, the friend better, you know, I
mean it was his whole It was no, but his
whole aesthetic was better than mine. I was like, this
is your vibe, this belongs to you.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
It was a moment.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Is there anything that you were working on? I purposely
shied away from people asking you to sing all the
time because you could do that too if you chose to.
But right now, my friend's and actress. So don't be
asking her to sing when you meet her because she
ain't gonna do that. Okay, don't be like, oh your
last name is why and can you just sing a
song real quick?
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Except if you're Carrie and I did I do ask
dinner and she asked you after each course is brought out, like,
are you like it's gonna have to change? Like the
answers gon't change. The ANSWER's gon't change. I was like,
oh my god, she's gonna she asked again.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
And she get on my nerves with the singing question. Well,
because well when you do it so just naturally and
off the cuff is so beautiful. You guys that night
when I tell you, I was so blessed to be
around just talent like it was you, it was Nica,
it was Merle and we were doing karaoke and people
(52:15):
are just so talented. I'm like, wow, Wow, it was electric, y'all.
It was electric, and I'm just happy I was there, Like,
I'm just happy to.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Say, Carrie, because I see All Star Search. Look, yes,
there is that, but I think that I've been surrounded
by just full on black excellence. I see that in you,
I see that in Jamel, I see that in Kelly,
I see that in all of my friends, Jane's, Kristen, Meghan,
(52:49):
Jakarius Eaves, Like, we are surrounded by so much beautiful
black elegance, excellence.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
And.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
I if felt like the the Harlem Renaissance, you know
me with all these amazingly talented playwrights, actors, people coming
together and just talking, leaning in, loving on each other
that's what it felt like.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, and I was. I was blessed to be in
that mix, to be part of that. It's just thank
you for bringing us together, people, but thank you for
bringing us all together. That was beautiful. Well, should I
think Terrence? I think Terrence? You know, sure? Maybe I
know you. I know you curated the list? Should I
think Terrence? Though? It was beautiful? Yeah, I'm posting. I'm posting.
(53:39):
Go to my go to my Instagram. When y'all hear this,
and you said, I'm gonna do a couple of clicks
and tags and you'll be like, oh, I see it
was the Harlem Renaissance. Is that the Okay? Never mind,
I'm all over the place because I'm like, is that
the name of this podcast?
Speaker 4 (53:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I am enough because you are enough. Glad you are enough,
and you remind me that I'm enough. And I'm so
grateful for your friendship. I'm so grateful that I I
am your cup of tea. I'm so grateful you are
my cup of tea. Here everybody's cup of tea, though,
but thank you for that. I love you so much.
Deper joy wine is debleh Joy, debleh Joy. It's just
a page of time, but she was here. Double joy.
(54:14):
I love you, thank you so much, just for a
that beautiful smile, those beautiful eyes on naked being naked.
I hope you guys have been blessed by her. See
you next week.
And she called me and with my phone ranging and said,
no caller Ida, And I said, Terrence, Oh my god,
do you think this is her? Do you think he's
a joy? Open? Answer the phone, Answer the phone, and
I did, and she said, Deborah Joy, it's Oprah. How
are you, joyt Oprah?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are you? I'm fainting. I'll call you back.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I said, I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Could you imagine Oprah telling you that she is going
to open the door wide open as far as she
could possibly open it and have you walk right through it.
That's the call I want. But I'm no, I'm no hater.
I'm extremely happy for my girl, Debla Joy. She is
the subject of this edition of Naked. Debahjoy whinings on
(00:51):
the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Y'all, it's the greatest suspersion the entertainment Can nake You win?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Carry?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And Carrie Sheppy is going to be a champion, a
champion and Carrie Chappi and they girls pay y' a champion?
They Cary Chappion and carried great and entertainment can nake
You wear?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Hi? Hey, everybody, welcome to Naked. I tell you every
week I'm excited about guests. But this week I'm truly
excited about our guest. I have shared on the show,
and arguably the most honest way, I don't often find
people that I love and enjoy in my big age,
in my adult years, I have settled into my friends
(01:40):
or my friends. I don't need no more new friends.
We all say that, and every now and again you
meet someone who changes your perspective on why that's not
necessarily true. And today's guest is that person. For me.
She's beautiful, she's an actress, she's a mother, she is
a wife. But she is also my friend. And and
(02:03):
not only is she my friend, I'm her cup of tea.
I recently have said, I know I'm not everybody's cup
of tea, but I'm her cup of tea, and that
I am grateful for. I forgot to mention she can
also sing. That's just also that's an asterisk to all
the many wonderful things that she can do. But when
I tell you her name, I'm pretty sure the last
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name registers for you. With a very talented family that
has arguably changed the face of gospel past, present, and future.
Deborah joy Winans is on the podcast today, Welcome My Love,
How are you.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I am speechless. Actually, Carrie, you are so my cup
of tea and that was just the sweetest thing. I'm
so happy to be here. I'm lovely. How are you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I'm wonderful. You look beautiful as usual, you guys, I
normally don't do my intro. This was me just letting
her know that I wanted it to be heartfelt and
on authentic, because you have been assigned to so many
of us, and when I say us, our crew a
group of people that I hold near and dear. And
(03:12):
while they have loved you, I was late, they have
always loved you. I was late. I was late. But
now I'm on the train. I'm on the train, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Here better than never to the party. You are in
the party. You are in the room, and I am
the better for it. So thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You've had a phenomenal year. I hope that you've looked
at it that way. I think turning forty is beautiful,
still very young, it's a new chapter. You had a
baby at thirty eight, you're very and we'll get into that.
You talked about that. But at forty, there is just
this new lease on life. I think that you have mentally,
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physically professionally. Wow, so exciting. And I caught her a
mutual friend, and I said, well, what should I ask her?
I had? You know, I want to pretend like I
don't nowhere, and in fact, I haven't done a deep
dive about what it is you want professionally and personally.
It's just such a beautiful vibe that we have. I
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don't feel like I have to get in to tell
me more about who you are and what you've accomplished.
It's known you guys watch Green Leave for Character. Charity's
on that show from twenty fifteen until I believe twenty
twenty one.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yes, ma'am, all five seasons.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And here we are. We don't even talk about that.
We talk about who you are. But the one thing
that I've always been curious about is you come from
this family, this musical family, and I think it would
have been a natural progression to be a singer. But
you are an actress. You are theater, that is where
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you live. How does one do that in the Wining's family?
How does one do that?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Decide to be courageous, side to be bold, decide that
the dreams that God has put in your heart, while
they feel different from seemingly everybody else's. They are your
dreams and you are meant to pursue them, and so
(05:17):
it was. It was difficult. It was difficult telling everybody, Oh, no,
I do theater, and they're like, what is there you
gonna say? Way, my granddaddy did tell me Broadway is
the way to hell. The way to God is narrow.
That's what the boby says. I said, Jesus, Okay, what
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can I make it? That felt like a sentence. But
you just you just decide to be bold. And I
knew it was all I wanted to do, and I
risked it. That's all I risked it. I got talked
about a bit. People didn't fully understand me. Even now,
(05:59):
people will say, so you took a leap from singing
to acting, and I was like, no, there was no leap.
I did not sing before acting. This is all I've
ever loved. Since I was a little girl. My parents
used to take us to the movies every weekend. We
would do double features, and I was mesmerized by the screen. Carrie.
I just looked at it and was like, that's what
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I want to do, and nothing was going to stop me.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So being a woman in this world wanting to be
an actress, and then coming from a family where I'm
pretty sure it was presumed what you would do. How
has that affected your personality and how you are with people.
Do you hesitate to bring your full self? I wonder.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I think that I used to hesitate to bring my
full self because I didn't know if people would see
me the way I want it to be seen.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Coming from this family, which I am grateful for, I
praise God for, it's been an amazing foundation. I recognize
the shoulders that I stand on, and I will always
give them their flowers. I'm one hundred percent their biggest fan.
I will sit there and listen to every single album
any day of the week. I will go to every concert.
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But coming from this family, people assume that you are
a certain way. Even when it comes to the roles
that I would like to take as an actor, A
lot of times it can seem very limited because people
are like, oh, well, you just want to do faith
based films. No, and I have nothing against faith based film.
(07:50):
I am an actor to my core. I want to
slip into a character. I don't want to find myself there.
I want to find someone completely different. My faith is
who I am. Every day, playing a different character is
something I get to create, and that is the joy
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for me. So a lot of times I find it
difficult for people to see me the way I would
like to be seen, and so for quite a while
I did hesitate to fully step into a room and
own every bit of who I am. But I think
that with age, I think that with my amazing spouse,
(08:34):
who has allowed me to see me for me, I've
been able to kind of come out of that show.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Okay, so let me just set the scene on what
I think and you can you can correct me, because
I remember, you know, growing up, Chush was very much
a part of our lives. But when I found God
on my own end as adult, I was like locked in.
I was like, if you talk to me, you get
in free by ball, Like I remember being in college.
I remember all of the things. And then there was
(09:00):
a part of me, and I don't want to say
that I stepped away from the faith, but there's a
part of me that settled and I wasn't so Bible
thumping as people would say, and there's nothing wrong with that,
but I do know there was a part of me
that missed out on worldly culture, and I have to
be reintroduced to worldly culture. And I and I see
it as your family every night and ain't not watching
(09:23):
nothing too worldly? You know, the kids ain't watching nothing
too worldly. You turn off that secular music, like I
see that. That's how you. I feel as if that's
how you grew up. So I feel like that would
take an incredible amount of courage and intestinal fortitude to
live in a world Hollywood, because Hollywood, by by by
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all means, is tough. Being an actress, by all means,
is hard. I people will ask you day in and
day out to compromise. So while even knowing going into
this profession, they would ask you to do this, knowing
your background. Do you ever struggle? I mean, yes, you
are an actress, But do you ever struggle and say, God,
I can't take that wrong. God, I wish I could
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do that. God, I wish I could say that.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You know I don't struggle. I don't struggle, And I
think it's because I know who I am, I know
what I've been called to do, and as I've gotten
older and really fallen in love with myself, I think
(10:31):
the way I grew up I became a lot more
judgmental because of how I was taught instead of just
living life. And baby, let me tell you, if you
just keep living, as the older people would say, just
keep on living, you gonna stop judging, you gonna stop canceling,
You're gonna stop acting like you are just the most
righteous thing in the world. It is not possible. Okay.
(10:55):
So I think when I when when my husband told
me you are not perfect, I was like, what excuse me?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Tears? Didn't I say that? How dare he? Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
He did?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Girl, how dare he look? And when I it really
busted my bubble. And then it allowed me to see
all of who I am and to be happy with it,
the flaws, the beauty, whatever it is. See it all
as beautiful, see it all as God's creation, and see
it all as a journey to com continue to work
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on who I am and who I've been called to be.
And so once I got to that stage of loving
all of me, the good and the bad, I made
a choice. I don't go into anything without my boundaries
already set, and so I know my boundaries. So if
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there is something that I think is necessary for the
role that I'm not willing to do then it's no,
that's not for me, and I'm okay with that. But
my boundaries have were sat a long time ago. And
unless I feel, you know, the Lord shifting that in me,
(12:08):
it's not a whole lot that I'm not willing to
sit down in a room and create and allow the
gifts that I know God has given me to flourish.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
When you got green leaf, what did the family say? Congratulations?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
There were there were some congratulations, there were happy're happy? Yeah, yeah,
uncle Bib. Uncle Bibe was extremely happy for me. You know,
that's my homie. Uh he he really is a g
at sixty one, he is killing young.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I didn't know who to me, that's young, Like he
still has so much life, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
He does, and he will let you know that he
has a lot of life, but not after ten pm
he will be in y. I did get a few
more reserved comments and a few why would you ever
(13:14):
do that? This is about the church. They're trying to
make the church look bad. They're trying to make God
look bad, and you need to say no. And I
got a lot of that, and I think maybe sometimes
they were reading the summary of the show without actually
watching the show, and they didn't ask me how it happened.
(13:37):
And to me, that is one of the biggest keys
that let me know this was one hundred percent for me.
I graduated with my Masters in acting in twenty ten,
and I was doing all these other things theater wise,
and I got married in twenty thirteen, and I remember
feeling frustrated in fifteen. I just said, Okay, God, if
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this is what you have for me, I need you
to open the door, and I need you to do
it in a way that only says you.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Two days after that prayer, my uncle called me to
tell me Oprah asked him to ask me to email
her my head shot and resume because she had something
that she thought.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Okay, great for so guys, this is when we wrap
naked guys the show. Y'all know how I feel about Antiopes.
You know, I met her once high and by to
two photos, I still put them up like she my auntie.
This woman just came on my podcast and was like
my uncle Pebe called me and was like, Oprah's like
email me. Oprah's like email you don't do don't do that.
Don't do that to me. You know she the reason
why I do what I do.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's rude, but that isn't that isn't that wild and amazing?
Like this is two days after I said, God, I
need you to do this. I need you to open
up the door.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Thank you father.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And so it's like, okay, wow, So I do. She
writes me back. She's like, hey, Cat, I have.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Your phone number. I want to slam my laptop down
Missus Wilber. I'm angry with you right now. Love jealous
like Carrie.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It blew my mind. And she called me and when
my phone ranging and said no caller ID and I said, Terrence,
Oh my god, do you think this is her?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Do you think? He said, Joy?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Open answer the phone. Answer the phone and I did,
and she said, Deborah Joy, it's Oprah. How are you, Joy? Oprah?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I'm fainting. I'll call you back.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I said, I'm good. How are you? And she said,
I know, things seem crazy. I'm asking you all these questions.
Long story short. Once I can give you more information,
I will. But there's this show that I'm reading that
I think you would be wonderful for. And when I'm
mentioned you to the network, unfortunately, nobody knew who you were.
(16:03):
And I said, well, they wouldn't. I haven't done anything yet,
and she said that's okay. I think that they'll see
when it's they'll I think that they'll see what I
see when it's time for you to audition. So I'm
going to forward your stuff to Lionsgate. I'm going to
open the door for you as wide as I possibly can,
and when it's time for you to do it, you
just do what you winding to do. And I was like,
(16:25):
uh huh uh huh, thank you, thank you so much.
Next thing, I knew I had an audition. I went in,
did the audition, didn't hear anything for like a week
and a half and I thought, oh my god, that
I was terrible. And then they reached out to put
my deal together. Now I had never been that far.
I was like, what does that mean? What did you
deal look like? And this was a d offer and
(16:48):
I said, ooh, TERA's taking out. Terrence's an attorney, my husband,
and I said, TERA's take it taken. He said, as
your husband, I'm very happy for you. He was like,
they are expecting a response, and I'm going to give
them more. I was like, what don't you Just like
I just yes, that's all I need. And to his credit,
(17:09):
he worked that thing out and there's some stuff and
I was like, oh my goodness, but he did the deal.
They called me in to do one more audition with
the creator of the show, which is Craig Right. They
said it would be like a twenty minute work session.
I was in there for five minutes and I thought, again,
oh my god, I blew it. They called me the
next morning told me I got it. And so to me,
(17:31):
that is a testament of being in the right place,
doing what I'm supposed to be doing, being ready, not
just saying God, I want this, but being ready and
seeing how God answered my prayer. And so to you know,
any of my family or anybody just in the church
that felt like, oh, you shouldn't be doing this, this
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is wrong. I know the journey that God has me
on and I'm good with it. I know how things
have happened. And when you see how the Lord works
things out in your life, you don't doubt that people
may not see it. And everybody's not always going to
see the vision. It's up to you to see it
and keep going so they'll see it. Soon enough. They'll
catch on soon enough. I'm good with it.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah. The vision not a conference call, right, the the
purpose is not a conference call. It's just for you.
But let's go back to Auntie Oap. Yes, I'm going
to open up the door as wide as I can.
Whoa yeah, yeah. I always say hold the door open,
but my boo said, because she's a billionaire, I'm gonna
hold the door as wide open as I possibly.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Can, wide open as I possible.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Don't take that. I'll take that nugget. We gotta pay
some bills. You understand how that works. So we're gonna
take a quick break. Maybe a little longer than a
quick break, but we're going to take a quick break
and we'll be right back in just a few moments.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
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They care Chappy and they be a champion. They care
Chappi and they.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Care with chat.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Welcome back to the podcast. Deport Joy Winings is sharing
all things, and if you haven't figured it out, yes,
she is my friend. We do hang out and it's
always hard for me to interview people that I know.
But this was very, very not only entertaining, but educational
and inspiring. I hope you feel the same. Depor Joy
(19:38):
winens are naked, Okay, so then you get this role.
Everyone's not excited, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You are.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
You understand the vision absolutely, and you then step into
this vision so beautifully. But as I know you, I
watched you transform, and I wonder from the moment I
(20:05):
met you to now I feel not necessarily a different person,
but mentally physically. Have have your fans adjusted to depor
joy two point oh after Green Leaf? Are they? Are
they excited for a deper joy two point oh?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I think that they are. I've gotten a lot of
really wonderful feedback. And I think, honestly two point oh
probably started when I got pregnant, and I had already
started my weight loss journey. So when I got pregnant,
I was like, wait, what house way? But we know how,
(20:47):
we do know how? And yeah you know you Oh yeah, yeah,
Well you've got somebody just loving and loving you.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Ain't thinking sometimes yeah, you're like, okay, amen, praise.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It was real, it was good. I knew I knew
when that happened. I said, okay, that was that night,
so I knew exactly when. And so I think for me,
that was such a shift in my mind that because
I was told so many things. I was told, maybe
(21:18):
we let this go because your five roids are too big.
I had one that was twenty two centimeters, and so
my doctor initially was like, maybe we terminate, we get
rid of the five roids, and we start over, because
I don't see a space where this child will grow.
There's no space.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Wow wow wow.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And then if we don't do that and you keep it,
there may not be space and you will probably miscarry
quite early. And I was just sort of flabbergasted by that.
But then my husband stepped in and he said, okay,
so number one, this is all your choice, he said,
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But number two, I wanted to know, will will she
be in pain? Is there anything that could hurt her
in the midst of this, Like is she gonna be okay?
Because that's my biggest thing. If she's not going to
be okay, then we're going to find something else. And
the doctor said she'll be okay, but she'll be in
a lot of pain, and I said, well, I can
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take pain. I didn't really know what I was saying.
It was a pain that to this day, it is
the worst pain I have ever felt. And I had
to go through the bulk of this pain by myself
because I was in Canada shooting a film and it
was still during COVID, so my husband couldn't be there,
(22:39):
and I it would take me twenty minutes to get
up because the pain was so severe. It would take
me to my knees. I would be on my trailer
on the floor in tears, trying to gather myself and
put my clothes on so that I could go shoot
this scene. And it was the first time where I
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didn't not I'm usually very optimistic and I usually see
the other side of the trial or whatever I'm going through.
This was the first time I could not see the
other side. I was in tears and I was like, God,
what did I do to be in this wilderness? But
then my mind shifted and I just started saying thank you,
thank you for whatever this is, thank you for this child,
(23:23):
thank you for maturing me, thank you for showing me
everything that you've called me to be. And they told me,
my doctor said, if you can get me to twenty
eight weeks, then I know your child is going to
be okay. So baby at twenty eight weeks, Jamel and
Kelly threw me a baby shower to remember, and I
(23:45):
finally took a breath and I celebrated, and then I
took some pictures and I did an article with Essence
because I wanted people to know, especially women of color,
the doctors are not checking for us with these fibroids.
So I wanted to be as transparent as I possibly
could so that women who are wanting to have a kid,
make sure you ask them to check for this. Make
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sure you know what's going on in your body so
that you don't have to go through this amount of
pain that I'm going through. But that was where I
think my two point oh came in and I was like, oh, oh,
we about to were about to figure this out. I
was very much so into my health. I was very
much so into figuring out how to be a mom.
(24:28):
I was into not trying to do a snapback, but
a real journey. And I had that baby three weeks
early he was eight pounds. I got rid of the five.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
He was perfect, so sweet, just a kind. He was
such a kind baby. He was a happy baby and
a sleepy baby. So I didn't have those woes of
I think the Lord realized he needed to give me
something because we were able to sleep. He came out
and was sleeping all day, all night, just the sleepy baby.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Put your rest on, get it human, busy. This was tough, busy, Okay, tough,
And so he.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Came out perfect, wonderful, fully healthy. And then four weeks
after my C section, I got my fibroids removed and
then I was back at it with my trainer. I
was like, Okay, we got to take it slow, but
this is my goal. This is what I want. And
slowly but surely we have rebuilt my mind, my spirit
(25:37):
and my body to what I've seen in my head.
And like I said before, you can't ask God for
things that you are not preparing for. And I think
a lot of times we say, oh, I want this,
I want that God do this for me, do that
for me, but we are not ready. And so I've
said quite a bit, oh I want to do some
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marvel stuff. I want to do superhero stuff. I want
to be able to run. I want to I want
to do thriller, I want to do action. So I
put myself in a body that can handle that. And
so that's I speak it, and I ask God for it,
and that I prepare for it so that I'm ready.
And so this two point zero, I think my fans
are really embracing. They are embracing the motherhood of me.
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They are embracing the whole journey, the being honest about
where I am with my body and what's happening. I
think that this world embraces honesty. I think they embrace
I make it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
They want it, they want it. They want you to
be as honest. And by the way, it's so incredibly
like I said, you just have so much courage because
it's so incredibly vulnerable to do what you do, to
be an artist where you put your art up in
front of everyone and say, hey, do you like it?
But you do what do you feel of it? Do
you think you like it? Because I still think artists
are sensitive. I consider myself an artist in a lot
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of ways. I'm super sensitive, which is why I find
a prism to protect myself with my tribe, and when
I venture out of it, I'm not like, this makes
me nervous, but okay, you know what I mean? Like
all of that, I first of all, you look good too,
y'all go on to Instagram. She's so fine. She's so
damn vine. She'd been fine, but she's so fine. We
were in a wedding together, our friend Kelly Carter got
(27:21):
married and the bride'smaids was fine. It was me, it
was you, It was a whole bunch. There was this
brown girl dreaming and I was like, I love everything
about this. It was just a beautiful experience. But what
I did also see in you at the wedding and
obviously all the events that we did leading up to
the wedding, was that you are very comfortable in your
(27:45):
own skin. And that's hard to be as an actress.
And in a world of so many beautiful brown actresses,
do you ever get into the for just even a moment,
the comparison of time, I wish so and so I
auditioned for that role and they gave it to I
won't say a name, and they get it to her,
(28:07):
and so why her? You know what I mean? Not hating,
but just like why her. My business is very different.
They'll come to me and say, Carrie, this is your gig.
But if I see somebody else doing a gig, I
know that should have been I'm like, dang, I guess
it wasn't meant for me. But I could do that too,
But they're very specific of who they're looking for. And
when you're auditioning and you're down to the one in
(28:27):
the two and they take the other one, how do
you feel? How do you handle that?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Sometimes it's difficult. If it's a project, I really really
really want it.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Do you have one you can share? You don't have
to tell me who got it? Oh, you might excuse
my friends. You might end up telling me who got
it by saying what it was. Okay, never mind, go
go go.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
There was one the year that actually I found out
I didn't get it the day after I found out
I was pregnant. It was hard because I really really,
really really wanted it. At the end of the day,
there was so much physical that came along with that role,
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and I never would have been able to do it
justice because that pregnancy from the start had me in
a pain that I, as I've told you, could not
fully describe. So I know that wasn't for me, and
I fully believe that with everything when you don't get it,
I fully believe it just wasn't for me.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I think.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
The only thing that I don't compare. I just have
noticed the couple times that I don't get the thing
that I really wanted, they've gone with a completely different look.
It's been light skin. I'm like, okay, and so from that,
(29:59):
and it's about the person that actually got it, because look,
I'm always gonna cheer you on, especially a woman of color. Baby,
I've got your back, your front, your side, like I
love it, because I believe that what is meant for
you is meant for you, and whatever God has for me,
he has for me. I was sad to hear that
(30:20):
it was Oh well, they wanted this more quintessential beauty,
and they felt like that was in this. So the
quintessential beauty is the light, not the dark. That's what
we're still fighting in Hollywood. And I'm like, guys, so
(30:42):
that's not okay. But I don't I don't find myself
comparing and thinking in a way, well, why not me?
It just wasn't for me. But when I hear that
the mindset behind it is oh, well the light skin
is prettier, or the light skin looks better, or the
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light skin. Then it's like, guys, has why are we
doing that?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
So old?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
We're still and again we're still doing that. And that
is something that caused me to look at myself and say, oh, well,
maybe you know you're not And then I said, I
am everything I am meant to be. I am fully enough,
and they just didn't see it. But also it wasn't
meant for me.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It wasn't meant for you. That's it. That's it, because
if that's what you wanted, you didn't want me and
I didn't want to and don't squeeze me into something
you don't want me for. Well, I'll tell you what
you are wanted for. So I am getting these emails
for this, this lovely show, this premiere, and I couldn't
make it because I was on the East coast and
I'm all like, wait a minute, is this Debora Joy show?
(31:53):
By the way, when I say your name, I say
it with an accent depa Joy do? What do I do?
It's very say why why are you offended by that?
Am I doing something wrong? Because I feel like I'm
culturally appropriating and I'm all like, never Joy, deble Joy,
look deble Joy. The first in the middle name. Is it?
Is that all one name? By the way, is it
(32:13):
deb Joy? Is it just Deborah?
Speaker 1 (32:16):
But but I'm like, I don't like Deborah alone.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Okay, I've never heard. And we mostly call you Joy.
We mostly call you Joy. We all we all call
her joy. Y'all can call her Joy, your mama call
you Joy. I'm gonna call you Joy. I'm kidding. So
I find it interesting about what you talk about this
the color dynamic, because that never comes into play with me.
And I really and I'm really blessed because I just
(32:41):
never had that issue growing up. I was always brown.
But I did notice in college that they did prefer
women who were lighter in certain instances, they being men
in certain instances. But it never really permeated me or
affected me. I was just like, y'all stupid, I'm fine.
That's That's one thing my mama did give me is
a lot of confidence, no humility, lots of confidence. I
(33:02):
had to let the world burn me. I gave it
to me. Yeah, but you have this new show. I
just celebrated your birthday with you in Coppo. It was fabulous, y'all.
It was fabuous. If y'all saw all those pictures, I
posted an Instagram. It was dep Joy's birthday and we
was living. It was a beautiful, beautiful experience. God, I'm
(33:24):
so blessed. I'm so blessed that I can have those
experiences and meet new people. You have a great crew
of wonderful people, and you brought all your crew together.
It was just beautiful. See us us Blacks just out
there living the highest of heights.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
We were up there.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
We were up there, girl, We was living.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
We were we were throwing it and we was throwing
it a girl, We.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Were throwing it. Y'all. Go to the because we rented
a boat. Go to the boat pictures. I'm gonna have
to go, by the way when this episode airs. I
hope my producer Jacquise and Dwayne remind me. I'm going
to post a series of photos so you can know
how we were living. Had a great time. But you
looked amazing. You were surrounded by so much love and
you and you, and you're so elegant and graceful with
(34:07):
it all, which is enviable. Right, Like you have to
really pay attention to how you receive the love that
you give and how you share the energy with everybody
because you were sharing it. You and you and Terance
are so lovely that way. But then you have this
new show that you've been dying to talk about but
you can't because of the strike and all so this
stuff that's going on, and now it's here. How do
(34:32):
you feel about being the lead? My stomach, Oh my god,
my stomach hurt just jumped saying that for you. How
do you feel about being the lead on Tara Lake Drive? This? This? This?
This thriller? This anthology thriller. Kelly schooled me about today
in terms of anthology, the words, big words, and how
do you feel about it? I watched the promo. I mean,
(34:53):
you're great. I'm not even you're great. You're great, You're great,
You're You're a great actress. That's not even the how
do you feel about carrying a project?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
So while we were in the middle of working, we
were shooting this in April and May of this year,
and I felt like I was in my bag. I
felt like I was just growing and hitting new strides.
So I felt really really good. When we rapped and
(35:27):
I would always check in with the director and writer
and make sure he was getting what he wanted and
shout out to Jerry Lemoth because I met him and
you just never know how God is lining things up.
I met him while I was in the worst pain
of my life in Canada shooting that Christmas movie. He
was the director, Oh wow, and he kept saying, I
(35:51):
really want to work with you again. Now you hear
that in Hollywood and you're just kind of like, okay, sure, whatever.
And then he actually reached out. He reached out when
they were doing season two and I just had my
baby so I couldn't do it. And then he reached
out again when they were about to start season three,
(36:14):
and he was like, I am telling you, as I write,
all I see is you. This has to happen. We
have to figure this out. And so we got our
teams together to figure it out. And so to work
with someone that had already worked with me and wanted
to work with me again. I am a fan of that.
(36:36):
I am a fan of going where you are embraced
and loved and celebrated because the work is already going
to be difficult. We shot seven episodes in twenty six days.
It was grueling, but to do it in a place
where you are loved and taken care of and celebrate
it means the world. And so it also created a
(36:58):
space for me to really grow and thrive. And so
I would always check in with him and He's like, no,
this is exactly what I wanted. And then some I'm like,
we're doing this. This is great. So when we wrapped,
I felt like I did what I did. And then
as we got closer to uh, that private screening, I
(37:19):
was like, oh god, I invited people. Yeah, it is
my work going to stand. Am I enough? Am I
enough to carry a series?
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah? Yes, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yes, yes, service Carrie, I got to answer for you.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You are ahead. I just I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And when we sat there in that screening, first of all,
to do that with your people.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Who is the best, because I'm pretty sure everybody was
hyping you up. I don't know. I don't know. I
already know, just.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
My name coming on the screen and we were so
black that jo.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Never joy.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It was all of that. And then the first time
my face was on the screen, everybody went to cheering
and clapping and I just was like, oh, and then
we settled in and we watched two episodes and you
could hear a pin drop. Oh wow, the work is there.
The work is there. And then a lot of the
(38:26):
people that I have worked with, my Greenley family, my
friends that know me, that have seen me from the beginning,
were like, oh, joy, this is another level. Your work
is another level. Not only are you coming on here
and just sort of commanding with your presence alone, but
then you deliver. I said, oh, okay, so okay, I'm enough.
(38:53):
I'm enough to lead a series, and I'm excited about it.
I am really excited about it. It's very different from
anything I've ever done. And it's good.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
It's really good. Hey, guys, two things just happened. The
first thing is that she just gave me the name
of the podcast, I Am Enough, right, this is this
episode is called I Am Enough. The second thing is
what people who are forward facing rarely do. And I'm
talking about people who present their work, who have accolades,
(39:27):
who've done they rarely say it's good. You rarely tell
yourself how great you are or how good you are.
It's just hard. It's hard to do that. It's hard
to see it because we've been taught to pick ourselves
apart in a world that is picking us apart too,
So we join in for you to say it's good,
like I'm good means it's excellent. And I am so
(39:49):
proud of you for saying that out loud with conviction
and believing it and understanding, Yes, I am this good.
You're like I is it just me? I'm watching and
it's good. And by the way, it's streaming today, available
today today and today whenever this airs is today, that
(40:09):
means go down and stream it All Black Network, right, yes,
stream weekly?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Watch you new episode weekly?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Or how many did you drop? How many did they dropped? Today? One?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Just one?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Just one? So we just tuned us in. We got
to you just bringing us along, Bringing us along, bringing
us along.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Seven episodes, seven episodes, baby, and they they continue to
grow with each episode. We got to watch two and yeah,
it's really it's really good. It's interesting. The writing is
very interesting.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I'm sorry, wish I know what it's about. Can you
tell everybody what it's about? Can the anthology serious it's about? Way?
I'm like, wait, hold on, we're having class just by ourselves.
Tell everybody what it's about Yes.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
So Terror Lake Drive season three summer purge uh on
a family, a Georgian family who I play, a teacher
who has two kids, very in debt, trying to find
a way out, and this summer she is trying to
figure out what all she can do to make some
(41:16):
extra money to keep her family afloat. And she mysteriously
inherits this multimillion dollar estate in a place called Lake Levy.
And when they go to check out the estate, things
start happening and all that glitters is not gold. And
(41:38):
it gets to a point where you have to figure
out what's important, how to maintain, how to keep your
family together, and how to.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Survive Dantan, Dantan and y'all dealing with Like, I mean,
it's good, y'all. I just okay, by the way, by
the way, I'm just talking about the trum, the trailers
and what I've been able to ascertain. I didn't get
to watch the full episode, but just the little bit
that I have been able to see, I was like,
I'm already mad, and I'm already locked in. I'm already
(42:09):
mad as a black person, and I'm already locked in,
and I'm ready to beat everybody up. But I love it.
I love it, I love it, I love it. Just
the joy. This is the joy, for double joy of joy.
Paying bills pressed fast forward, fast forward, That little fifteen
second sign will be right back in just a few moments.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Very Chappion and Cary Chappion is to be a champion
out of Champion and carry Chappion and carry Chatty out
a Champion and carry Chappie and and carry Chappy Sports
and Entertainment cant naked word, Harry Champion and Carrie Chappy
is to be a champion out of Champion and Carrie
(42:47):
Chappie and the girls out a champion and carry Sheppion
and Carrie Sheppy Entertainment can nae work you guys?
Speaker 2 (42:55):
So so Deborah Joy says things like I'll just take
a a bit, and I've been using it ever since
because black people, our measurements are very bizarre. I'll be
there in a little bit. What is a little bit?
Uh right back? Real quick, real quick? What's real quick?
(43:15):
What exactly is a tange? What's a scoach?
Speaker 1 (43:21):
It's you know, it's a bit. It's just it's a bit,
you know, it's just a bit. It's a tange. You know,
I think it's self explanatory.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yeah, I just have a change. Like she was like,
I'm the one ready to drink wine as I'm doing
during this podcast, and she's like, I have a change.
I was like, what is a change? I don't know.
Is that a taste? What is it? So?
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So a change is like put a tank of orange
juice in my champagne.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I don't want to just a you get it. You
don't need to know the measurement, but you get it. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
I told someone I was I was sitting in the
makeup chair for some reason, the makeup trailer was hot,
and I said, who it is hot as the Dickens.
And my makeup artist was like, well, where's the Dickens?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, where's that located? And why is it so hot?
Speaker 3 (44:14):
There?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
All the questions and why is it.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
The Dickens?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Is A hot.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Is whatever you need it to be. It can be cold,
it can be hot as the Dickens.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
This is hot as the Dickens up in here. Okay, Well,
whatever you will want. When you're trying to describe how
you have fun, what measurement is that we had so
much fun. It was like a ball of fun, a
load of fun. Is there a measurement for fun for you?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
No, because I'm always having fun. I am always and
and I've learned this and I think my son, my
friend Anika told me the other day, she said, I
think this is just a gift of yours joy. And
it's not to say that life does not life, because
it does every single day. I think for me, I
just choose the joy. I just choose to be happy
(45:08):
because it is easy to just look at life and
linger on it and be sad at some of the
circumstances that you may find yourself in. But I just
choose to be happy because life is too short, and
so I don't have a measurement because I feel like
(45:29):
it's always me like I'm just jamming. I'm jamming on
the one all the time.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
You are, and you always like I'm ready to finish
some Sorry, I excuse my friends. I have to like,
I won't start it, but I'll finished something. I'm ready
to be mad at somebody real quick when they give
me attitude, and you just be like, girl, I'm not
even I love that about you. I love that you're
like I don't have time for that, like that person
is not even a worthy opponent, Like, let's focus on
(45:56):
the joy to you.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
They're fully not. But also if my friend comes to
me Carrie talking about so and so did this, then
well yeah we need to do sure, yeah, sure, let's get.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I am Yeah, yeah, yeah we will. Yeah yeah, I don't.
I don't want to. I'm not calling you a punk. No,
you will scrap. She will scrap, y'all. Don't get her
confused on set, praise the Lord, but she will scrap.
We will fight. Amen, So can we tell everybody about
before I let you go? First of all, I need you,
guys to really truly support this project. She is She's
(46:32):
a gift on screen and off screen, just a gift.
So we have to support. We have to support our
black projects. We have to support the people who who
stand in the gaps for us as a culture, especially
black women. We have to fight so many battles on
so many different levels. And when you are quote unquote
doing it all right and you're still fighting battles because
(46:53):
you're still not meeting requirements, you know the world is
not right. So we must support. We must watch you guys,
watch if you don't watch, I'm gonna beat you up.
But with that being said, can we talk about how
much fun we had for your fortieth birthday? She just
dropped Anika out Anika NONI rose, and I didn't know
who it was. I will be honest. I am the
(47:14):
friend who doesn't know any Hollywood stars there except I
do know, Oprah, I do know. I know, Yeah, you
you've been living. You've been living, you've been living.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
We yeah, we and and you know, and shout out
to my husband and shout out.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
To oh, oh, your husband did that. Your husband did that.
Her husband put together a really beautiful, elevated experience. Usually
Manna be like, you need, what do you need? You
need food? You needed it, and everything's fine. We're fine.
We had everything, everything, dinner, it was just beautiful. The
(47:53):
weekend of like you had you had eighteen events. You
had eighteen events. She had eighteen events for her forties.
I'm not coming to no more events. I'm done eighteen.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
There were so many, there were so many, but he
just I told him, probably starting at like thirty six,
forty is going to be very special. And I need
you to understand that. He's known how big birthdays are
to me. Every birthday. I'm going to celebrate every birthday,
but forty I was very vocal about I wanted to
(48:27):
be really amazing, and so at the top of the
year he reached out to Slow Meek, who is such
an amazing event planner. She has so many incredible ideas
and she does things very much so tailored to who
(48:47):
you are. And so I had a surprise brunch where
it was just all of these amazing women in my
life who I love dearly, and it was stunning. It
was gorgeous.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
I love.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I had never seen a flower bar. You could make
your own bouquet. There was a champagne bar, yes, because
we gonna drink some champagne. Okay. There was food, the flowers,
the chairs, everything was so beautiful. And then there was
a four string quartet playing all this rap.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
It was.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
It was fantastic, like it was bougie and black and
Detroit and it was all the things that I feel
like I am wrapped up in one and it was
so beautiful. From the brunch to the party where just
my people, it just felt like so much love. And
that's the biggest thing that I took away from my
birthday weekend, from all eighteen events. There was love. You
(49:43):
could cut that love with a knife. Everybody was there
because they wanted to be there, and I felt like
I was wrapped up in all the love I could fathom,
and that was really beautiful. A lot of times you
are focused on how you give that to the world.
To get that to your people and to feel like
come back to me was overwhelming and amazing. And I'm
(50:06):
still living high off that baby lit it.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Shout out to my man Terrence. He did a great job,
you guys.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
She got it.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
She got a winner. And he's just Also I read
that he was like, you guys are really good friends,
if not best friends before you started dating. He's a
really good friend. Like I don't he's on my fair
like that, but he could be. I could call him
and be like, I can call Terrence to ask about
you and what we do in which I have in
terms of the plans for the party. And then it's
thirty minutes later, I'm like, so, Like I was saying,
(50:34):
what should we like, he's just that person. Do you
want to tell them all your business?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah? Mine is still in my son classes. Oh, I know,
I'll keep it. Mine is still in my son's classes.
He will still he did steal them, uh huh and
wore them as.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
If they were his.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Steal them.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, to be your own people. Yeah, and I should
just give those I need to retire them. That I
still wear them. I need to retire them and just
give them to him. Because he did look better. I
didn't want to dontell him. I said that he did
look better, the hair, the friend better, you know, I
mean it was his whole It was no, but his
whole aesthetic was better than mine. I was like, this
is your vibe, this belongs to you.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
It was a moment.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Is there anything that you were working on? I purposely
shied away from people asking you to sing all the
time because you could do that too if you chose to.
But right now, my friend's and actress. So don't be
asking her to sing when you meet her because she
ain't gonna do that. Okay, don't be like, oh your
last name is why and can you just sing a
song real quick?
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Except if you're Carrie and I did I do ask
dinner and she asked you after each course is brought out, like,
are you like it's gonna have to change? Like the
answers gon't change. The ANSWER's gon't change. I was like,
oh my god, she's gonna she asked again.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
And she get on my nerves with the singing question. Well,
because well when you do it so just naturally and
off the cuff is so beautiful. You guys that night
when I tell you, I was so blessed to be
around just talent like it was you, it was Nica,
it was Merle and we were doing karaoke and people
(52:15):
are just so talented. I'm like, wow, Wow, it was electric, y'all.
It was electric, and I'm just happy I was there, Like,
I'm just happy to.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Say, Carrie, because I see All Star Search. Look, yes,
there is that, but I think that I've been surrounded
by just full on black excellence. I see that in you,
I see that in Jamel, I see that in Kelly,
I see that in all of my friends, Jane's, Kristen, Meghan,
(52:49):
Jakarius Eaves, Like, we are surrounded by so much beautiful
black elegance, excellence.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
And.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
I if felt like the the Harlem Renaissance, you know
me with all these amazingly talented playwrights, actors, people coming
together and just talking, leaning in, loving on each other
that's what it felt like.
Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, and I was. I was blessed to be in
that mix, to be part of that. It's just thank
you for bringing us together, people, but thank you for
bringing us all together. That was beautiful. Well, should I
think Terrence? I think Terrence? You know, sure? Maybe I
know you. I know you curated the list? Should I
think Terrence? Though? It was beautiful? Yeah, I'm posting. I'm posting.
(53:39):
Go to my go to my Instagram. When y'all hear this,
and you said, I'm gonna do a couple of clicks
and tags and you'll be like, oh, I see it
was the Harlem Renaissance. Is that the Okay? Never mind,
I'm all over the place because I'm like, is that
the name of this podcast?
Speaker 4 (53:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I am enough because you are enough. Glad you are enough,
and you remind me that I'm enough. And I'm so
grateful for your friendship. I'm so grateful that I I
am your cup of tea. I'm so grateful you are
my cup of tea. Here everybody's cup of tea, though,
but thank you for that. I love you so much.
Deper joy wine is debleh Joy, debleh Joy. It's just
a page of time, but she was here. Double joy.
(54:14):
I love you, thank you so much, just for a
that beautiful smile, those beautiful eyes on naked being naked.
I hope you guys have been blessed by her. See
you next week.
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