December 17, 2025 • 35 mins
In part two of the interview on Naked Sports, Joy Reid talks about the intersection of politics, media, and social issues. She expresses her views on the current political landscape, grappling with harassment from conservative figures and the challenges of being a public figure. Reid candidly discusses the impact of legacy media versus independent platforms, her stance on political issues like the Jeffrey Epstein case, and the complexities of dealing with online harassment. This extended conversation also covers her views on the future of journalism and the importance of having genuine debates over performative ones. Reid shares her personal coping strategies for managing the constant public scrutiny and attacks, emphasizing the need for resilience and community support among black women in media.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at
the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal
the common threads that bind them all.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what
we've been trying to.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Get to for almost thirty years.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
From the stadiums where athletes to break barriers and set records.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Caitlin Quark broke the all time single game assists record.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
This is crazy for rookies to be doing.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms
and the community we create. Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm
your host, Carrie Champion. Hey everybody, welcome back to Naked Sports.
This is part two of my interview with Joy read.
This leans really heavy into what's happening in our political
landscape and how we should be looking at Jeffrey Epstein
(00:52):
and what it all means, and what is this whole
thing about where we land in this world that we
live in today. What does legacy media look like versus
being a podcaster? Is there such a thing? All of
these topics are so very fire. I'm not kidding you
when I tell you Joy brought the heat and she
was unapologetic, and she said everything she meant to say.
(01:13):
She said what she said, So I hope y'all enjoy.
Take a listen to part two of my joy Read interview.
This administration has been unapologetic. They have targeted you in
many ways, which means they are afraid of you. There's
no reason for jd Vance to be calling you out
out of nowhere. You're at home, minding your business. You
sitting here with this great makeup phone, and your hair
(01:34):
look good, your nails look good. Your earring is a fly.
You live in your best black life, in your house, grinding,
paying your taxes, being rich.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I am here, What do you? I'm here? What are
you talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I was moisturized and are moisture.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You are not ashy? Why you come up?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I was not ashy. I was like, if I was ashy,
he had something. Maybe I was moisturized. Don't bother.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This fool pulled an interview from me and Tana Hussey
Cookes from like two years ago, retweets it because limbs
of TikTok decided they wanted to for some reason platform
I don't know, maybe because they're fighting immigrants and they're
like Ooh, this lady's mama was an immigrant. Let's throw
her under the bus and say she's not grateful to
be in America.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And I'm like, grateful to who so definitely not you, right,
I'm like, you know what, F you?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And that's literally what I did say, Like if you, dude,
you called Kamala Harris the trash, like, actually, f you
for life. There's nothing to say. You can rescue my
cat out of the tree, and I would still say
thank you for my.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Cat and f you.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You can curage life.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Oh okay, we don't.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I always want to make sure I cussed us out
in front of a pastor a couple of times. I
was like, I'm trying trying to get it right. Yeah,
and and and fuck you is my favorite thing to say.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So he it was JD Vance Trump making Kelly oh.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Gosh, don't even get me started on that horrible bitch.
But let me say on the on the on the
Trump on the Trump thing. The White House, for no
reason whatsoever, they have a website on the White House
dot gov that has a thing of like my safe
space for libs and who can't live in the real world,
here's your safe space websites to go to, and they
(03:17):
put on the joyreshow dot com and all.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I can say is, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I appreciate it. Send everybody there, thank you. Send them all,
send them all, every every every subscriber, every click is
getting paid. Thank you. I'll send them all, send them all.
Thank you. Hit me, you're woke.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Free.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
They're upset and like, you know, Megan, you you you
don't as a black woman. She's obsessed with us, like
the only way she can get attention is by constantly
attacking black women. She's attactivity. She had the nerve to
attack Jamail Hill and try to come for her looks.
I'm like, baby, do you have a mirror, maggot? You
look like dried up old barbie. She looked like Barbie
that got left outside. You know when you were a
(03:57):
kid and you actually left your barbie outside.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
She looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Comb your hair and then talk to Jamil. Here, Jailha
is beautiful and unbothered with no makeup. You're over here
with eight pounds of makeup on your face because you
can't even walk out the do you can't go to
the stall without it.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Here's what's interesting about this. You are everything. You're saying
right on, you're not missing but something that to me,
and this is why I think about what how we
have been able to take our platforms and use them
for good and respond every now and again that's just
I think she just throws jabs for shock value. I
(04:33):
think every now and again she just shows you know,
let me just oh, I haven't messed with you in
a long time. You can take it. What does it
look like to be constantly harassed online and also harassed
by this current administration? And every every not every, but
a lot of these conservative podcast hosts really look to
(04:54):
you for AYR because to me, all it says is
that you're doing your job and you're being effective, but
ever get exhausting for you mentally, friend, I just I
can name you know ten times, or they came at
me for things that are annoying, or I you know,
I don't read the comments. I tell Tiffany too. I
was like, girls, I read them comments that's stress you out,
or I'll just block them. I'm not letting you come
(05:16):
up on my page and say no, no, no nonsense
for any reason. But you constantly have to deal with this,
as does Jamel. But you guys are built differently one
y'all both sagittarius is. I don't know if that has
something to do with it. Do you think sagittariuss are
built for this?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Is?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That? Is that?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Are you a sad am? I wrong?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I am a sad and my my daughter calls us
sagittarist Now I'm a bit offended by.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But okay, okay, because you guys are like, bring it,
that's okay, I'll answer.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, Yeah, how does there I mean you ever have
a mental breakdown and be like enough?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So you know what, I don't. I pay only a
slight bit of attention to it.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Some people have to text me and be like, yo,
they attacked you on you know, ex Twitter or whatever,
and I don't you know I used to I used
to be like a little bit like more combative where
I would I was when I was on Twitter, which
I also refused to change the name of it to
exit stum.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Look, they dead name the trans I dead name them.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm still Twitter. It's still twit.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And so I used to be on there just fighting
with somebody named you know, sixty nine sixty nine. I
hate you and I'm fighting. They got full followers and
I'm like, I'm going crazy on them. And I used
to be like that. I used to be really reactive,
but then that got exhausting and that can become mentally taxing.
And I'm going back in and I'm fighting with people
for no reason, you know, and my boss has hated it.
Of course when I was at MISS now the former MSNBC.
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But but now what I try to do is just
dissociate a little bit. You know, cheryln I for gave
me the best advice when I got into some fight
with some social media whoever and she literally she didn't
even text me.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
She called me.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's when you know Sheerylyn is serious. Its about what
you're about to tell you, Because she didn't text me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
She called me.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And she's like, social media is a one way conversation.
Just say what you're gonna say and bounce, because if
you're in there fighting with every person in the comments,
you could do that all day and what's the point.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, you know they're doing it to get a reaction
out of you.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So I've really kind of I say what I'm gonna
say and I just don't worry about what the reaction
to it is going to be. And if Fox decides
to pick up a clip from my show or from
my sub stack post and put it on their show,
I just thank them for the attention. I appreciate the
extra clicks, and I keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, someone said something I thought was really good
one day. Uh It said, I, you know, I'd rather
mop the ocean than fight you people. I rather mop
the ocean than rather fight you people, because it's not
gonna happen. Yeah it would, and so it's just it's
never gonna happen. And so I agree with that thought process.
You're like, okay, or you know, I'll blade all. You know,
my friends said, I'll braid all the grass in the
(07:47):
world before I let y'all treat me bad. Ye'll not
treat me bad. Yeah, some good little stay. So I do.
I do think you have to have a certain mentality
because it comes and some things might might break through
every now and again, but you do have to have
a certain mentality. To your point, it's a one way conversation.
Let me say what I say and let me jump
off here and not explain it to anybody. Most recently,
(08:09):
my thing with Steven A like I had. Look, there
are things that I just I felt away and I
don't even do that. That's not even my personalities, not
how I move. I'm really really just making sure I
get my facials and workout and my my business and
no matter how people remember it. And Jamel and I
(08:30):
were talking about this, I truly believe that stephen A
remembers it his way, like I think that certain people
really remember things their way. I know my truth, and
you don't have to call me a liar. And it
was the art of why he's so good at what
he does. I'm not taking anything from He is a performer.
He is a performer. He's done his best he is,
which is why he makes all the money he makes.
(08:51):
He is box office, he's the face of sports. But
for him to make the conversation about instead of responding
to what I said, was just It's like, look, dude,
you know that you should start protecting black women. You
don't do that. It's not fair how you're coming at
us and the ire you reserve for us and keep
(09:13):
that same energy. That's all I'm saying. It's not so
the response is, but I hired you, I made you.
I was like, I only got one king maker. His
name is Oh Jesus, I got one king maker one
and I'm just in my mind, I'm like, how is that? Now?
The conversation so with saying that all droves and droves
of men and I don't know if they were black men.
(09:35):
Now we know that you turn the location. They be
in Bangladesh and everywhere, so who knows if they were
even really a part of this. But it was just
all this he made you. You owe him and I'm like,
what what kind of sick world do we live in? Like?
Where how is that the case? And keep the same energy.
So Jamel goes, I don't think he would have responded
(09:57):
to Michelle Beadle if you hadn't said anything, that's what
you So because she responded, then it became this whole
thing and now it's open season. I didn't My intention
and what I said wasn't for everybody to go and
respond and come for steven A. That wasn't what my
intention was. My intention was use your powers for good.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well he earned the response. You opened the door to
a conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I think a lot of people, I think the frustration
a lot of us out here in this world have
with Stephen A is the arrogance of his entire sort
of position of himself. Right, he's positioned himself as the
king maker and the queen maker, and he's not. Stephen
A is a good broadcaster, just like you know, Rush
Limbaugh was a good broadcaster. That doesn't make you a
(10:39):
good person. And just because you're a good broadcaster doesn't
also mean, I don't know, you should be president of
United States. And you, Carrie Champion, are a brilliant person
who would have made it regardless there was a different
route that you're gonna get at your destination, regardless of
what the route was. So he was a part of
(11:00):
your journey. But for him to then try to take
your journey and make him self responsible for it, that
is the ultimate asshole arrogance, which is the thing we
hate about him. And so I'm glad that you opened
up the door to the conversation whoever came into it
and attacked him rightfully, that isn't your problem, and so
(11:21):
I'm glad you spoke your truth. I think he needed
to hear it. Whether he absorbed it is different. Right,
people can hear, but whether they really hear here, whether
he listened, I don't know, But I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I'm glad you said, well you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Had that same instance. He said something about he was
talking about your show. What did he said about your show?
And then you had to respond.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm like, wait, he said I got fired for ratings,
and I'm like, uh, excuse me, sir, you got one
hundred million dollars for a show with half my ratings
at my worst. So can we just rewind and just
look at your look at the data and the numbers.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Because our te in today, if you are we are
speaking in ding inteing today, go ahead, let me bring
me fix my hair.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You know what I mean you had.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm pulling my theoretical hair over this one.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Go ahead, let me throw my theoretically hot I'll do
it for you. Okay, thank you, let's throw and continue
on about said ratings of your show. I had to
literally google his numbers. I'm like, how many people listen
to the show? Is it like four million people?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Weight, It's like what five hundred thousand people. I'm like, dude,
that's like average CNN. So I'm like, that's not that hot.
They're paying you not for your numbers, my friend.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
They're paying you because you are willing to say the
nasty things about black people that they want to say.
You're willing to take their denigration of black women and
put it in the mouth of a negro. And because
you're willing to put the denigration of black women in
particular into a black man's mouth and I won't even say,
(13:12):
but into a negro's mount, that's why they're paying you,
my friend. It's not because you're the greatest broadcaster. You're
a good broadcast. You're a solid broadcaster. You're a little
loud as a broadcaster, you scream a lot, but okay,
you're a decent broadcaster. But you now think that, oh,
I must be a freaking political genius, I must be
everything but what I was hired for, which is supposed
(13:32):
to be a guy who does sports.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You think you know every damn thing and that you
made every damn body. But just be clear, you're not
being paid for your numbers. You're being paid for what
you're willing to do to us for.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
White people's entertainment.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And as long as you call with that bruh, keep
being you. But don't come for my friends. Don't come
for people that I know their value and try.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
To devalue them.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
In front of all the black women who can see
and hear you because we know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Way we don't appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But the reality is is we're in a space right now,
in a critical time where I get so sick and
tired of us not getting any type of respect, any
type of acknowledgment of what we've built, or what we've
come through, of what we dealt with. Joey, you are
(14:24):
the nicest soul I have ever met. Same with Jay Jamel,
so sweet. The Sagittarists, they really are just sweet, y'all
really are salt of the earth people. But if you
want to be on the bad side, say okay, we'll
welcome and we're gonna have this con We're welcome.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But you meet you where you are.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
You don't You don't live in a world where you're
not gracious and kind and loving and willing to help,
because at your core, you do want to see good.
You want better, right, you really do. And I think
that for me when I look around at the women
that I respect in this business and how hard they work,
and at the end of the day, they find themselves
(15:03):
in this space where we have to especially now because
this is the grind season for all of us. We
just got to get it from We got to get
it from the mud. Now you think at this age,
we're like, okay, now we're gonna we got to slow
it down. But because of the world that we are
in right now, we got to get We're back to
grinding and getting it from the mud and figuring it out.
And I'm okay with that too. And as you start
this show and I see you out here, all you do,
(15:23):
and we have told you this, all you do is
inspire us, I'm like, dang, she don't rest. I guess
we got to get back to work. You don't re rest.
Joy you are out here. And not only are you
out here, you are to me giving people background, clear analysis.
You don't have to always agree with what you say,
but you're giving us a background for us to determine
(15:44):
whether or not we want to pay attention to this
story or if this story matters. And when I think
about this administration and where we are and how legacy media,
because last night we were at that Route one hundred,
legacy media is changing in real time. And what where
you are, where don is, where so many of us are,
is like, Okay, if you can. And Tameron I'd like
(16:06):
because Tameron Hall was there too, she has a different
type of show. Abby was there, and we know everyone
goes to back and forth, but the reality is is
that you have to have your own platform now if
you want to be a part of the game, you
just have to write. But would you ever go back
to legacy media. I don't even know if legacy media
will exist for the next I don't even know how
it's going to exist rather, but would you go back
(16:27):
to legacy media? No, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I totally hear you, because I don't know that
it will. If it exists, it's going to exist in
a very different way.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean, you look at now.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know there is a House committee that's looking to
investigate CBS because they are asking the very terrifying and
real question whether the President of the United States is
now the de facto editor of CBS, and is you know,
determining coverage from the White House? Like that's scary. And
I don't know that legacy media, it's clearly shown itself
(16:57):
in this era as not ready to fight the battle
of the First Amendment and fight for democracy. And that's
not something it's ever really been very good at I mean,
in the nineteen thirties, the New York Times was writing
style pieces about Hitler. You know, there's you know, during
the you know, George W. Bush, you know, run up
(17:20):
to the war in a rock, The New York Times
was basically promoting it. The mainstream media was putting flag
pins on and promoting getting us into war. I was
just literally carry this morning taking my dog to daycare
because my dog is Bougie and we were taking you know,
taking Nola Beyonce Reed daycare. It's a really and I'm
listening to you know, I just I'm just you know,
(17:43):
flashing through serious exam I pop on CNN, and they're
having like a very serious conversation about these boat murders
in the Caribbean and talking about it just casually as
if we're already at war with a narco gang. Like
we're not at war with this narco gang. And they're
acting as if they have military analysts on talking about
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this as if we are in an actual declared war,
and the media doesn't have another vibe. They're just knuckling
under to the administration at all times, especially when it's
a republican administration.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
They're not built for it, so no, I wouldn't go back.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And I think I'm worried that they are becoming the
handmaiden of autocracy rather than a stop gap against it.
And that worries me because unless we can have you know,
I listened to Don's speech you know online that he posted.
It's like, unless we can find a way to have
journalism stand in the gap, it's not being partisan, it's
(18:41):
standing in the gap for democracy and against autocracy. And
I don't see legacy media as being willing and it's
being bought up by oligarchist. Yeah, I was gonna say,
want autocracy they wanted.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, I was gonna say, we're watching, everyone's watching who
will buy you know, Warner Brothers. We're like, what's going
to have Warner Brothers Discovery? What will happen? You know?
I'm particularly have an injury it because of CNN in
the contract I have with them. I'm like, are they
getting rid of all the shows? What happens if that
does happen? You know, what, what does this look like?
I think for one of two reasons, And I go
(19:11):
back and forth with this, and I'll ask your advice.
I think that you have to be all in. I
don't think there's any way you can walk a fine line,
not today. I just think in this today, like I mean,
you have to be all in if this is what
I'm gonna do, if I'm gonna be committed to this,
and I'm gonna do this if you want to, if
you want to rock with me, rock with me. But
if you don't, so be it. I watch the double
standard in real time that happens for men versus women,
(19:33):
that happens for black men versus black women, that happens
for you know, minorities versus folks who aren't The double
standard is frustrating. And I think what I am trying
to focus on it's not the double standard, and what
it is is just be all in where I'm at.
If this is the line and these are my beliefs,
this is where I have to be. There's no way
you can please do masters. They say it in the Bible.
You just can't do it right. You can't be like,
(19:54):
let me try to do this and be over here
with this, and they try to do this and be
over here with this, this world of well, I'm just
here and I'm just presenting different facts and different opinions
and everyone can company. It doesn't work that way because
now people are on television using their platforms lying. We
have walked so far back from the pandemic where people
during COVID girl that I mean, what was it. How
(20:16):
long did that last? One point five years? Maybe a year?
I don't know where people were like, oh wow, we
are a country that needs to be rehabilitated. There is
this racial renaissance happening and they are understanding. And now
it's like people can talk about Hitler and call him
a great man. What world do we live in? Yeah,
(20:37):
what is this?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
It's crazy to me, it's crazy. So it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
The response to that is not to ignore that. The
response to that is not to say this person deserves
a platform where they can share their opinion. The response
to that is no, that is wrong, that is false,
that is unfortunate, that is racist, and put every ism
behind it. And it's there's just no way, in my opinion,
you can live in the middle with this. Not the
way that we're living right now with these conservative podcasters
(21:02):
who have these huge platforms. I'm talking about, you know what, folks,
I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And I mean, there was a piece that I thought
was so brilliant that described this as it's happening, you know,
in CBS world with Barie Weiss, who was a you know,
anti woke, anti dei, you know, general what do you
call it, the opinion writer at the New York Times,
and she gets sort are driven out of there. She
creates this substack that's all about anti wokeness, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Now she runs CBS. She gave an interview or she did.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Like a thing on stage, a stage talk, where she
talked about what she really wants. The sort of golden
mean that she wants is to have this world in
which you can have a Dana Lesh who is the
woman who used to be the NRA spokesperson, and then
Alan Dershowitz, who was Jeffrey Epstein's former attorney, debate on
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gun reform and then walk away and have dinner together afterwards.
And it's like, if that is the goal, there's so
much wrong with that, because the thing that this article
pointed out that people hate the most about the media
is the idea that these two people are debating diametrically
opposite values, not even just positions, but values, and then
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they go sit down and Kiki and have dinner afterwards,
meaning that their debate was bullshit, meaning that debate wasn't real,
it was performative. It was for the cameras. It's why
Crossfire died way back in the day on CNA. I mean,
you say, how long I've been watching Gable News, Remember
that old show. It died because people felt that the
debate wasn't genuine. And so what we really need is
people of principle. You could certainly have a debate. I
(22:35):
just had Debbie Wasserman Schultz Commerce from a Debbie Wassermon
Schultz on jordby Joe last night, and we had a
whole debate about whether leaving it in Yahoo is a
war criminal. You know, I think it's valuable to actually
tease those debates out. But everyone has to be coming
from a genuine position, right. Don't need performance in this moment.
We need real conversations about real things because we're in
(22:56):
a real crisis.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
With our democracy crisis.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
This isn't just.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Like bad politics and like a weird political season. You know,
we have an autocracy sitting in the White House. People
are being disappeared off the streets. There are children who
are missing because ice grabbed them and their parents separated them,
and now one is can't be found he as a
child or the parent. We're having literal kidnappings in plane sight,
(23:22):
broad daylight, masks, men who we can't even confirm. Our
agents of the federal government taking people like we're in
Defcon one. Citizens are being US citizens are being sent
out of the country to countries they've never even been to.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Because this regime wants to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Brown and black people. They're just sending them to Swatini
and they've never been there. It's like, what is happening.
This is not this is deaf con one. We don't
have time for this bullshit.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
You can't have, to your point, a healthy debate if
it's not genuine, because we're talking about real things right now.
(24:14):
I'm really curious to get your opinion on why you
believe Jeffrey Epstein is the one thing that has really
rocked MAGA. Like we we didn't see any movement until
we saw this. They were aligned, there was allegiance he
Trump was king. No one was saying that he was
not that person. And now you start to see these
(24:37):
these fractures, these fissures. I was listening to a podcast
the other day in politics, and he was just like, I,
this is the thing, you know what I mean. And
I'm curious as to why you've been You've been covering
politics all of your life, most of your life. Why
do you feel like the And this is not a
question where I'm being cheeky. I understand that what jeffre
(24:59):
epste did was disgusting, disgusting. I don't care if you're
five or fifteen, Megan, like you, it's disgusting. So I
was educate her, yeah, right, but so I would. I'm
really curious as to why you believe this is the
thing that started to see the cracks that had people
like you know, even though it might be you know,
selfishly motive vaded for MTG to do what she did,
(25:22):
but like, why is this the thing?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I actually think she genuinely believes it? And I'll tell
I don't think she's genuine about much.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
And and the reason is QAnon and to and to
to give you kind of the kind of give a
little bit of the backstory. So you know, like I said,
I you know, I went to out my age. I
went to high school in the late nineteen eighties. I
graduate high school in the late nineteen eighties. I'm oh, bitch,
she's not she's sassy. We don't get Oh, we get fine,
we get fine. Yeah, you see season fine?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Why man way? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And so when I was in high school and what
do we more, junior high school and junior high I
went into high school, there was this thing that happened
where the right wing in the country, particularly white Christian conservatives,
were claiming that if you listen to pop or especially
rock music, and you played the songs backwards, you would
hear the devil speaking to you.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
This was a real thing.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
It was a whole like meme, and it was like
a vibe on the right where they were like, you
can't play you know. They were like the Beatles, if
you play it backwards, you're gonna hear devil music. If
you play led Zeppelin, you can play it backwards. And
if you play a lot of pop music, you would
hear these devil messages in them. So a lot of
people were like buying the records and trying to play
them backwards they could try to hear it. They thought
it was just this weird moment. But what they claim
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the devil messages would do is to try to make
children subject to pedophiles grooming. They were obsessed with the
idea that there was a conspiracy among Hollywood people and
music musicians to create child victims of pedophilia, to massively
(26:59):
recruit children to exploit them because they were a bunch
of pedophiles. This was a theme of the far right
that has latently flowed throughout the right.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Beliefs politically.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's part of their They were obsessed with trying to
claim that you couldn't have gay teachers because they were
going to groom children for pedophilia.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
For you, it was an obsession.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So you're telling me this has been the foundation of
far right like this for this long for a very
long time. This pedophilia, this, this horror, this, all of
these things that they considered demonic, and it's been a
part of their foundation and and and shape and their
beliefs and who and how they vote and how they live.
So we here we have this Jeffrey Epstein guy.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That proves QAnon tree right, because remember what QAnon was.
So it went latent for a little while, right, you
didn't really hear about it as much. Then it really
came back through QAnon. And remember Marjorie Taylor Green, before
she was a politician, was they called her a q tuber.
She had a q andon curious YouTube personality. And they
believe their core belief from on QAnon and they are
mainly white Christians. There are some black QAnon ors too,
(28:12):
but QAnon's core belief is that there's a global pedophile
ring that's being run by Hollywood people, Hollywood executives, and
liberal politicians, and that they're pretending to be politicians and
normal people, but they're really just running a big pedophile ring.
And so that is their core belief and that is
a huge basis of MAGA. A lot of MAGA people
(28:33):
come through the q andon landscape. They come through the
Christian far right down. Trump's base are right wing white Christians,
and this QAnon latency was really undercovered in mainstream media,
but it's a really important part of his base, the
Marjorie Taylor Green wing of MAGA. Then along comes this
Jeffrey Epstein story, which during the campaign, people like Dan
(28:54):
Bongino Cash Pattel, who were podcasters at the time, were
pushing this is going to be blown wide open if
Trump can become president. He is the q in QAnon
he's going to expose this lo pedophile ring, right, and
they tied it to Trump. They said, we gotta get
Trump in there because the Democrats and they are like
Bill Clinton is part of this pedophile ring. If we
(29:15):
can just get Trump in, he's going to blow open
the Q and on conspiracy. Then Trump gets in, he
promises that he's going to release three things, the JFK
files and we're going to prove the real conspiracy mind JFK,
the MLK file is going to prove the conspiracy behind
the mlk's assassination, and the Epstein files. He then comes
in and it turns out that was his bestie for
fifteen years. He had released it not a.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Damp Stein file.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He hires Cash Hotel, makes him FBI director. Castel used
to say, the FBI director is who has the Q Andon,
who has the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Now he is Epstein. He is the FBI director Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Bongino, who seems super uncomfortable with now being told to
suppress this information he himself promised would come out. Donald
Trump did the perfect scam. You want to bury the
Epstein files, become the president based on saying you're going
to release them, and then suppress them, and it was
desperate to suppress them.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
But now that is why to my original question, Now
we're starting to see cracks in MAGA.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Correct because MAGA already has a core belief that there
is a global pedophile ring.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And guess what.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
There was a global pedophile ring. Jeffrey Epstein was running it.
And what they didn't count on is that their guy,
their c their king, Donald Trump, was best friends with
the guy running a legitimate global pedophile ring. There was
a real global pedophile ring. There were multiple model agents
involved in it. John Casablancas was accused of it, Jean
Luca Brunell was accused of it, Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump
(30:40):
also had a modeling agency.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
All these men and I'm not saying hmas pedophile, like
not say.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
That, but we're saying they all knew each other. And
you had all these men that were dealing with very
young women and models, some of whom were allegedly abusing
some of their own models. And so you now have
this world that the MAGA base is seeing exposed. They
want more information, and they finally feel like they are
right on the big brink of blowing the whole conspiracy open.
(31:06):
And Donald Trump is not powerful enough with his rhetoric
and whatever these he tries to do to suppress that belief.
So now MAGA is cracking because the base came with
that belief, and now a lot of what they believe
has been proven true, not all of it. Some of
it is crazy, the Pizzagate stuff and all the things.
It's the core part of their belief. The Qton believe
(31:28):
they weren't wrong. There isn't There was a global.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Pedophile and it was involving right the people the most.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
The simple structure of them believing there's a global pedophile
ring happening was that's that was true, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Run by this super elite. We had Prince Andrew, so
you had former prime ministers, So that was what they
were actually and now they oh my goodness, this stuff
is so deep.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
You know what I need you to do. I need
you and others to do. I would like I would
like a podcast dedicated to this that breaks that all down.
I think you I think if if it's a podcast,
maybe it's a five minute episode on your show every day,
but like breaking it all down so we can understand
what is happening. Because I just feel like the everyday person,
(32:09):
even those who were on TV talking about it, they
don't get into the minutia. And I think it's because
of the Q and on of it all that makes
people a little nervous because it's hard to explain a
conspiracy theory and without sounding crazy and all the things.
But my point being is that there's so much happening
in real time. And I walk down the street and
they're like, so, we're gonna see the files down what's
supposed to be in the foules? When Aaron Rodgers is
(32:31):
on you know, Pat McAfee show, saying the file should
be coming out too, and I was like last year,
a couple of years ago. He's like, we should get
all the information we need to know you know who,
And he alluded to the fact. Remember he kind of
alluded to the fact that Kimo might be in it,
and Kim O was like, what Jimmy, kimme o' what
They're going back and forth? What this? It is fascinating
how we all are under wraps about this. I am
(32:53):
I wish I could talk to you for fifteen hours.
This is a two parter. By the way, I'm gonna
have to break this episode down to two parts because
I will try to keep it to forty five minutes,
but New York City would let me be great, and
you are great, so I have to keep that This
is a two parter. So thank you for coming on, Joey.
Before I let you go, because they're gonna kick me
out of this room in a minute. Before I let
you go, I want to continue to say this to you,
(33:15):
and I'm going to say this as I wrap up
the show. I am so grateful for your presence. I'm
so grateful for what you do. I'm grateful for your
fearless nature. I'm grateful for the words that you put
together to defend us and to talk for us and
to help us, and how your sentiments represent us in
a lot of ways. And I'm talking about black women
who feel like they're on the fringe and they don't
(33:36):
know where to go. So many of us are sitting
here saying, look at how she is moving in a
world that tries to say that her excellence is not required.
Your excellence is needed. It is a necessity. It's like
air we breathe, and you continue to give it to
assist And I am so grateful for you. That's what
I am.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I'm so grateful for your friendship. I mean, I love
the Machetes for a lot of reasons, but they brought
me into community with you, and having you as my
friend is just such a such a blessing.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You are so brilliant, my sister.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
You are as beautiful inside as out, and that is
not easy to achieve because you flasses.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And I just love the.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Fact that you know we can have these dialogues and
that we actually even just in kiking in a text
of thread, we are supporting each other and we are
I feel like an example of black women doing what
we black women are supposed to do, which is building
each other, lifting each other up. You do that without
even thinking twice. And I appreciate you and love you
so much. I preach to love you and there's nothing you.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Can do about it.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I love you, Love you, love you. Thank you for
coming on and sharing your excellence. I know you got
to get to work. Joy read ladies and gentlemen on
Naked Sports and she gave us t T. I mean,
it's pipe it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carrie Champion,
produced by jock Quise Thomas sound design and by Dwayne Crawford.
Naked Sports is a part of the Black Effect podcast
network in iHeartMedia
Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at
the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal
the common threads that bind them all.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what
we've been trying to.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Get to for almost thirty years.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
From the stadiums where athletes to break barriers and set records.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Caitlin Quark broke the all time single game assists record.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
This is crazy for rookies to be doing.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms
and the community we create. Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm
your host, Carrie Champion. Hey everybody, welcome back to Naked Sports.
This is part two of my interview with Joy read.
This leans really heavy into what's happening in our political
landscape and how we should be looking at Jeffrey Epstein
(00:52):
and what it all means, and what is this whole
thing about where we land in this world that we
live in today. What does legacy media look like versus
being a podcaster? Is there such a thing? All of
these topics are so very fire. I'm not kidding you
when I tell you Joy brought the heat and she
was unapologetic, and she said everything she meant to say.
(01:13):
She said what she said, So I hope y'all enjoy.
Take a listen to part two of my joy Read interview.
This administration has been unapologetic. They have targeted you in
many ways, which means they are afraid of you. There's
no reason for jd Vance to be calling you out
out of nowhere. You're at home, minding your business. You
sitting here with this great makeup phone, and your hair
(01:34):
look good, your nails look good. Your earring is a fly.
You live in your best black life, in your house, grinding,
paying your taxes, being rich.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I am here, What do you? I'm here? What are
you talking about?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I was moisturized and are moisture.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You are not ashy? Why you come up?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I was not ashy. I was like, if I was ashy,
he had something. Maybe I was moisturized. Don't bother.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
This fool pulled an interview from me and Tana Hussey
Cookes from like two years ago, retweets it because limbs
of TikTok decided they wanted to for some reason platform
I don't know, maybe because they're fighting immigrants and they're
like Ooh, this lady's mama was an immigrant. Let's throw
her under the bus and say she's not grateful to
be in America.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
And I'm like, grateful to who so definitely not you, right,
I'm like, you know what, F you?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
And that's literally what I did say, Like if you, dude,
you called Kamala Harris the trash, like, actually, f you
for life. There's nothing to say. You can rescue my
cat out of the tree, and I would still say
thank you for my.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Cat and f you.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
You can curage life.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Oh okay, we don't.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I always want to make sure I cussed us out
in front of a pastor a couple of times. I
was like, I'm trying trying to get it right. Yeah,
and and and fuck you is my favorite thing to say.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So he it was JD Vance Trump making Kelly oh.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Gosh, don't even get me started on that horrible bitch.
But let me say on the on the on the
Trump on the Trump thing. The White House, for no
reason whatsoever, they have a website on the White House
dot gov that has a thing of like my safe
space for libs and who can't live in the real world,
here's your safe space websites to go to, and they
(03:17):
put on the joyreshow dot com and all.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I can say is, thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I appreciate it. Send everybody there, thank you. Send them all,
send them all, every every every subscriber, every click is
getting paid. Thank you. I'll send them all, send them all.
Thank you. Hit me, you're woke.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Free.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
They're upset and like, you know, Megan, you you you
don't as a black woman. She's obsessed with us, like
the only way she can get attention is by constantly
attacking black women. She's attactivity. She had the nerve to
attack Jamail Hill and try to come for her looks.
I'm like, baby, do you have a mirror, maggot? You
look like dried up old barbie. She looked like Barbie
that got left outside. You know when you were a
(03:57):
kid and you actually left your barbie outside.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
She looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Comb your hair and then talk to Jamil. Here, Jailha
is beautiful and unbothered with no makeup. You're over here
with eight pounds of makeup on your face because you
can't even walk out the do you can't go to
the stall without it.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Here's what's interesting about this. You are everything. You're saying
right on, you're not missing but something that to me,
and this is why I think about what how we
have been able to take our platforms and use them
for good and respond every now and again that's just
I think she just throws jabs for shock value. I
(04:33):
think every now and again she just shows you know,
let me just oh, I haven't messed with you in
a long time. You can take it. What does it
look like to be constantly harassed online and also harassed
by this current administration? And every every not every, but
a lot of these conservative podcast hosts really look to
(04:54):
you for AYR because to me, all it says is
that you're doing your job and you're being effective, but
ever get exhausting for you mentally, friend, I just I
can name you know ten times, or they came at
me for things that are annoying, or I you know,
I don't read the comments. I tell Tiffany too. I
was like, girls, I read them comments that's stress you out,
or I'll just block them. I'm not letting you come
(05:16):
up on my page and say no, no, no nonsense
for any reason. But you constantly have to deal with this,
as does Jamel. But you guys are built differently one
y'all both sagittarius is. I don't know if that has
something to do with it. Do you think sagittariuss are
built for this?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Is?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That? Is that?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Are you a sad am? I wrong?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I am a sad and my my daughter calls us
sagittarist Now I'm a bit offended by.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But okay, okay, because you guys are like, bring it,
that's okay, I'll answer.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, Yeah, how does there I mean you ever have
a mental breakdown and be like enough?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So you know what, I don't. I pay only a
slight bit of attention to it.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Some people have to text me and be like, yo,
they attacked you on you know, ex Twitter or whatever,
and I don't you know I used to I used
to be like a little bit like more combative where
I would I was when I was on Twitter, which
I also refused to change the name of it to
exit stum.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Look, they dead name the trans I dead name them.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm still Twitter. It's still twit.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And so I used to be on there just fighting
with somebody named you know, sixty nine sixty nine. I
hate you and I'm fighting. They got full followers and
I'm like, I'm going crazy on them. And I used
to be like that. I used to be really reactive,
but then that got exhausting and that can become mentally taxing.
And I'm going back in and I'm fighting with people
for no reason, you know, and my boss has hated it.
Of course when I was at MISS now the former MSNBC.
(06:36):
But but now what I try to do is just
dissociate a little bit. You know, cheryln I for gave
me the best advice when I got into some fight
with some social media whoever and she literally she didn't
even text me.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
She called me.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's when you know Sheerylyn is serious. Its about what
you're about to tell you, Because she didn't text me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
She called me.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And she's like, social media is a one way conversation.
Just say what you're gonna say and bounce, because if
you're in there fighting with every person in the comments,
you could do that all day and what's the point.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, you know they're doing it to get a reaction
out of you.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So I've really kind of I say what I'm gonna
say and I just don't worry about what the reaction
to it is going to be. And if Fox decides
to pick up a clip from my show or from
my sub stack post and put it on their show,
I just thank them for the attention. I appreciate the
extra clicks, and I keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
You know, someone said something I thought was really good
one day. Uh It said, I, you know, I'd rather
mop the ocean than fight you people. I rather mop
the ocean than rather fight you people, because it's not
gonna happen. Yeah it would, and so it's just it's
never gonna happen. And so I agree with that thought process.
You're like, okay, or you know, I'll blade all. You know,
my friends said, I'll braid all the grass in the
(07:47):
world before I let y'all treat me bad. Ye'll not
treat me bad. Yeah, some good little stay. So I do.
I do think you have to have a certain mentality
because it comes and some things might might break through
every now and again, but you do have to have
a certain mentality. To your point, it's a one way conversation.
Let me say what I say and let me jump
off here and not explain it to anybody. Most recently,
(08:09):
my thing with Steven A like I had. Look, there
are things that I just I felt away and I
don't even do that. That's not even my personalities, not
how I move. I'm really really just making sure I
get my facials and workout and my my business and
no matter how people remember it. And Jamel and I
(08:30):
were talking about this, I truly believe that stephen A
remembers it his way, like I think that certain people
really remember things their way. I know my truth, and
you don't have to call me a liar. And it
was the art of why he's so good at what
he does. I'm not taking anything from He is a performer.
He is a performer. He's done his best he is,
which is why he makes all the money he makes.
(08:51):
He is box office, he's the face of sports. But
for him to make the conversation about instead of responding
to what I said, was just It's like, look, dude,
you know that you should start protecting black women. You
don't do that. It's not fair how you're coming at
us and the ire you reserve for us and keep
(09:13):
that same energy. That's all I'm saying. It's not so
the response is, but I hired you, I made you.
I was like, I only got one king maker. His
name is Oh Jesus, I got one king maker one
and I'm just in my mind, I'm like, how is that? Now?
The conversation so with saying that all droves and droves
of men and I don't know if they were black men.
(09:35):
Now we know that you turn the location. They be
in Bangladesh and everywhere, so who knows if they were
even really a part of this. But it was just
all this he made you. You owe him and I'm like,
what what kind of sick world do we live in? Like?
Where how is that the case? And keep the same energy.
So Jamel goes, I don't think he would have responded
(09:57):
to Michelle Beadle if you hadn't said anything, that's what
you So because she responded, then it became this whole
thing and now it's open season. I didn't My intention
and what I said wasn't for everybody to go and
respond and come for steven A. That wasn't what my
intention was. My intention was use your powers for good.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well he earned the response. You opened the door to
a conversation.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I think a lot of people, I think the frustration
a lot of us out here in this world have
with Stephen A is the arrogance of his entire sort
of position of himself. Right, he's positioned himself as the
king maker and the queen maker, and he's not. Stephen
A is a good broadcaster, just like you know, Rush
Limbaugh was a good broadcaster. That doesn't make you a
(10:39):
good person. And just because you're a good broadcaster doesn't
also mean, I don't know, you should be president of
United States. And you, Carrie Champion, are a brilliant person
who would have made it regardless there was a different
route that you're gonna get at your destination, regardless of
what the route was. So he was a part of
(11:00):
your journey. But for him to then try to take
your journey and make him self responsible for it, that
is the ultimate asshole arrogance, which is the thing we
hate about him. And so I'm glad that you opened
up the door to the conversation whoever came into it
and attacked him rightfully, that isn't your problem, and so
(11:21):
I'm glad you spoke your truth. I think he needed
to hear it. Whether he absorbed it is different. Right,
people can hear, but whether they really hear here, whether
he listened, I don't know, But I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I'm glad you said, well you.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Had that same instance. He said something about he was
talking about your show. What did he said about your show?
And then you had to respond.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm like, wait, he said I got fired for ratings,
and I'm like, uh, excuse me, sir, you got one
hundred million dollars for a show with half my ratings
at my worst. So can we just rewind and just
look at your look at the data and the numbers.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Because our te in today, if you are we are
speaking in ding inteing today, go ahead, let me bring
me fix my hair.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You know what I mean you had.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm pulling my theoretical hair over this one.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Go ahead, let me throw my theoretically hot I'll do
it for you. Okay, thank you, let's throw and continue
on about said ratings of your show. I had to
literally google his numbers. I'm like, how many people listen
to the show? Is it like four million people?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Weight, It's like what five hundred thousand people. I'm like, dude,
that's like average CNN. So I'm like, that's not that hot.
They're paying you not for your numbers, my friend.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
They're paying you because you are willing to say the
nasty things about black people that they want to say.
You're willing to take their denigration of black women and
put it in the mouth of a negro. And because
you're willing to put the denigration of black women in
particular into a black man's mouth and I won't even say,
(13:12):
but into a negro's mount, that's why they're paying you,
my friend. It's not because you're the greatest broadcaster. You're
a good broadcast. You're a solid broadcaster. You're a little
loud as a broadcaster, you scream a lot, but okay,
you're a decent broadcaster. But you now think that, oh,
I must be a freaking political genius, I must be
everything but what I was hired for, which is supposed
(13:32):
to be a guy who does sports.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You think you know every damn thing and that you
made every damn body. But just be clear, you're not
being paid for your numbers. You're being paid for what
you're willing to do to us for.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
White people's entertainment.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And as long as you call with that bruh, keep
being you. But don't come for my friends. Don't come
for people that I know their value and try.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
To devalue them.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
In front of all the black women who can see
and hear you because we know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Way we don't appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But the reality is is we're in a space right now,
in a critical time where I get so sick and
tired of us not getting any type of respect, any
type of acknowledgment of what we've built, or what we've
come through, of what we dealt with. Joey, you are
(14:24):
the nicest soul I have ever met. Same with Jay Jamel,
so sweet. The Sagittarists, they really are just sweet, y'all
really are salt of the earth people. But if you
want to be on the bad side, say okay, we'll
welcome and we're gonna have this con We're welcome.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
But you meet you where you are.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
You don't You don't live in a world where you're
not gracious and kind and loving and willing to help,
because at your core, you do want to see good.
You want better, right, you really do. And I think
that for me when I look around at the women
that I respect in this business and how hard they work,
and at the end of the day, they find themselves
(15:03):
in this space where we have to especially now because
this is the grind season for all of us. We
just got to get it from We got to get
it from the mud. Now you think at this age,
we're like, okay, now we're gonna we got to slow
it down. But because of the world that we are
in right now, we got to get We're back to
grinding and getting it from the mud and figuring it out.
And I'm okay with that too. And as you start
this show and I see you out here, all you do,
(15:23):
and we have told you this, all you do is
inspire us, I'm like, dang, she don't rest. I guess
we got to get back to work. You don't re rest.
Joy you are out here. And not only are you
out here, you are to me giving people background, clear analysis.
You don't have to always agree with what you say,
but you're giving us a background for us to determine
(15:44):
whether or not we want to pay attention to this
story or if this story matters. And when I think
about this administration and where we are and how legacy media,
because last night we were at that Route one hundred,
legacy media is changing in real time. And what where
you are, where don is, where so many of us are,
is like, Okay, if you can. And Tameron I'd like
(16:06):
because Tameron Hall was there too, she has a different
type of show. Abby was there, and we know everyone
goes to back and forth, but the reality is is
that you have to have your own platform now if
you want to be a part of the game, you
just have to write. But would you ever go back
to legacy media. I don't even know if legacy media
will exist for the next I don't even know how
it's going to exist rather, but would you go back
(16:27):
to legacy media? No, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I totally hear you, because I don't know that
it will. If it exists, it's going to exist in
a very different way.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean, you look at now.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You know there is a House committee that's looking to
investigate CBS because they are asking the very terrifying and
real question whether the President of the United States is
now the de facto editor of CBS, and is you know,
determining coverage from the White House? Like that's scary. And
I don't know that legacy media, it's clearly shown itself
(16:57):
in this era as not ready to fight the battle
of the First Amendment and fight for democracy. And that's
not something it's ever really been very good at I mean,
in the nineteen thirties, the New York Times was writing
style pieces about Hitler. You know, there's you know, during
the you know, George W. Bush, you know, run up
(17:20):
to the war in a rock, The New York Times
was basically promoting it. The mainstream media was putting flag
pins on and promoting getting us into war. I was
just literally carry this morning taking my dog to daycare
because my dog is Bougie and we were taking you know,
taking Nola Beyonce Reed daycare. It's a really and I'm
listening to you know, I just I'm just you know,
(17:43):
flashing through serious exam I pop on CNN, and they're
having like a very serious conversation about these boat murders
in the Caribbean and talking about it just casually as
if we're already at war with a narco gang. Like
we're not at war with this narco gang. And they're
acting as if they have military analysts on talking about
(18:05):
this as if we are in an actual declared war,
and the media doesn't have another vibe. They're just knuckling
under to the administration at all times, especially when it's
a republican administration.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
They're not built for it, so no, I wouldn't go back.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And I think I'm worried that they are becoming the
handmaiden of autocracy rather than a stop gap against it.
And that worries me because unless we can have you know,
I listened to Don's speech you know online that he posted.
It's like, unless we can find a way to have
journalism stand in the gap, it's not being partisan, it's
(18:41):
standing in the gap for democracy and against autocracy. And
I don't see legacy media as being willing and it's
being bought up by oligarchist. Yeah, I was gonna say,
want autocracy they wanted.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, I was gonna say, we're watching, everyone's watching who
will buy you know, Warner Brothers. We're like, what's going
to have Warner Brothers Discovery? What will happen? You know?
I'm particularly have an injury it because of CNN in
the contract I have with them. I'm like, are they
getting rid of all the shows? What happens if that
does happen? You know, what, what does this look like?
I think for one of two reasons, And I go
(19:11):
back and forth with this, and I'll ask your advice.
I think that you have to be all in. I
don't think there's any way you can walk a fine line,
not today. I just think in this today, like I mean,
you have to be all in if this is what
I'm gonna do, if I'm gonna be committed to this,
and I'm gonna do this if you want to, if
you want to rock with me, rock with me. But
if you don't, so be it. I watch the double
standard in real time that happens for men versus women,
(19:33):
that happens for black men versus black women, that happens
for you know, minorities versus folks who aren't The double
standard is frustrating. And I think what I am trying
to focus on it's not the double standard, and what
it is is just be all in where I'm at.
If this is the line and these are my beliefs,
this is where I have to be. There's no way
you can please do masters. They say it in the Bible.
You just can't do it right. You can't be like,
(19:54):
let me try to do this and be over here
with this, and they try to do this and be
over here with this, this world of well, I'm just
here and I'm just presenting different facts and different opinions
and everyone can company. It doesn't work that way because
now people are on television using their platforms lying. We
have walked so far back from the pandemic where people
during COVID girl that I mean, what was it. How
(20:16):
long did that last? One point five years? Maybe a year?
I don't know where people were like, oh wow, we
are a country that needs to be rehabilitated. There is
this racial renaissance happening and they are understanding. And now
it's like people can talk about Hitler and call him
a great man. What world do we live in? Yeah,
(20:37):
what is this?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
It's crazy to me, it's crazy. So it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
The response to that is not to ignore that. The
response to that is not to say this person deserves
a platform where they can share their opinion. The response
to that is no, that is wrong, that is false,
that is unfortunate, that is racist, and put every ism
behind it. And it's there's just no way, in my opinion,
you can live in the middle with this. Not the
way that we're living right now with these conservative podcasters
(21:02):
who have these huge platforms. I'm talking about, you know what, folks,
I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And I mean, there was a piece that I thought
was so brilliant that described this as it's happening, you know,
in CBS world with Barie Weiss, who was a you know,
anti woke, anti dei, you know, general what do you
call it, the opinion writer at the New York Times,
and she gets sort are driven out of there. She
creates this substack that's all about anti wokeness, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Now she runs CBS. She gave an interview or she did.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Like a thing on stage, a stage talk, where she
talked about what she really wants. The sort of golden
mean that she wants is to have this world in
which you can have a Dana Lesh who is the
woman who used to be the NRA spokesperson, and then
Alan Dershowitz, who was Jeffrey Epstein's former attorney, debate on
(21:51):
gun reform and then walk away and have dinner together afterwards.
And it's like, if that is the goal, there's so
much wrong with that, because the thing that this article
pointed out that people hate the most about the media
is the idea that these two people are debating diametrically
opposite values, not even just positions, but values, and then
(22:13):
they go sit down and Kiki and have dinner afterwards,
meaning that their debate was bullshit, meaning that debate wasn't real,
it was performative. It was for the cameras. It's why
Crossfire died way back in the day on CNA. I mean,
you say, how long I've been watching Gable News, Remember
that old show. It died because people felt that the
debate wasn't genuine. And so what we really need is
people of principle. You could certainly have a debate. I
(22:35):
just had Debbie Wasserman Schultz Commerce from a Debbie Wassermon
Schultz on jordby Joe last night, and we had a
whole debate about whether leaving it in Yahoo is a
war criminal. You know, I think it's valuable to actually
tease those debates out. But everyone has to be coming
from a genuine position, right. Don't need performance in this moment.
We need real conversations about real things because we're in
(22:56):
a real crisis.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
With our democracy crisis.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
This isn't just.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Like bad politics and like a weird political season. You know,
we have an autocracy sitting in the White House. People
are being disappeared off the streets. There are children who
are missing because ice grabbed them and their parents separated them,
and now one is can't be found he as a
child or the parent. We're having literal kidnappings in plane sight,
(23:22):
broad daylight, masks, men who we can't even confirm. Our
agents of the federal government taking people like we're in
Defcon one. Citizens are being US citizens are being sent
out of the country to countries they've never even been to.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Because this regime wants to get rid of.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Brown and black people. They're just sending them to Swatini
and they've never been there. It's like, what is happening.
This is not this is deaf con one. We don't
have time for this bullshit.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
You can't have, to your point, a healthy debate if
it's not genuine, because we're talking about real things right now.
(24:14):
I'm really curious to get your opinion on why you
believe Jeffrey Epstein is the one thing that has really
rocked MAGA. Like we we didn't see any movement until
we saw this. They were aligned, there was allegiance he
Trump was king. No one was saying that he was
not that person. And now you start to see these
(24:37):
these fractures, these fissures. I was listening to a podcast
the other day in politics, and he was just like, I,
this is the thing, you know what I mean. And
I'm curious as to why you've been You've been covering
politics all of your life, most of your life. Why
do you feel like the And this is not a
question where I'm being cheeky. I understand that what jeffre
(24:59):
epste did was disgusting, disgusting. I don't care if you're
five or fifteen, Megan, like you, it's disgusting. So I
was educate her, yeah, right, but so I would. I'm
really curious as to why you believe this is the
thing that started to see the cracks that had people
like you know, even though it might be you know,
selfishly motive vaded for MTG to do what she did,
(25:22):
but like, why is this the thing?
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I actually think she genuinely believes it? And I'll tell
I don't think she's genuine about much.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
And and the reason is QAnon and to and to
to give you kind of the kind of give a
little bit of the backstory. So you know, like I said,
I you know, I went to out my age. I
went to high school in the late nineteen eighties. I
graduate high school in the late nineteen eighties. I'm oh, bitch,
she's not she's sassy. We don't get Oh, we get fine,
we get fine. Yeah, you see season fine?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Why man way? Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
And so when I was in high school and what
do we more, junior high school and junior high I
went into high school, there was this thing that happened
where the right wing in the country, particularly white Christian conservatives,
were claiming that if you listen to pop or especially
rock music, and you played the songs backwards, you would
hear the devil speaking to you.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
This was a real thing.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
It was a whole like meme, and it was like
a vibe on the right where they were like, you
can't play you know. They were like the Beatles, if
you play it backwards, you're gonna hear devil music. If
you play led Zeppelin, you can play it backwards. And
if you play a lot of pop music, you would
hear these devil messages in them. So a lot of
people were like buying the records and trying to play
them backwards they could try to hear it. They thought
it was just this weird moment. But what they claim
(26:37):
the devil messages would do is to try to make
children subject to pedophiles grooming. They were obsessed with the
idea that there was a conspiracy among Hollywood people and
music musicians to create child victims of pedophilia, to massively
(26:59):
recruit children to exploit them because they were a bunch
of pedophiles. This was a theme of the far right
that has latently flowed throughout the right.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Beliefs politically.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
It's part of their They were obsessed with trying to
claim that you couldn't have gay teachers because they were
going to groom children for pedophilia.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
For you, it was an obsession.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So you're telling me this has been the foundation of
far right like this for this long for a very
long time. This pedophilia, this, this horror, this, all of
these things that they considered demonic, and it's been a
part of their foundation and and and shape and their
beliefs and who and how they vote and how they live.
So we here we have this Jeffrey Epstein guy.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That proves QAnon tree right, because remember what QAnon was.
So it went latent for a little while, right, you
didn't really hear about it as much. Then it really
came back through QAnon. And remember Marjorie Taylor Green, before
she was a politician, was they called her a q tuber.
She had a q andon curious YouTube personality. And they
believe their core belief from on QAnon and they are
mainly white Christians. There are some black QAnon ors too,
(28:12):
but QAnon's core belief is that there's a global pedophile
ring that's being run by Hollywood people, Hollywood executives, and
liberal politicians, and that they're pretending to be politicians and
normal people, but they're really just running a big pedophile ring.
And so that is their core belief and that is
a huge basis of MAGA. A lot of MAGA people
(28:33):
come through the q andon landscape. They come through the
Christian far right down. Trump's base are right wing white Christians,
and this QAnon latency was really undercovered in mainstream media,
but it's a really important part of his base, the
Marjorie Taylor Green wing of MAGA. Then along comes this
Jeffrey Epstein story, which during the campaign, people like Dan
(28:54):
Bongino Cash Pattel, who were podcasters at the time, were
pushing this is going to be blown wide open if
Trump can become president. He is the q in QAnon
he's going to expose this lo pedophile ring, right, and
they tied it to Trump. They said, we gotta get
Trump in there because the Democrats and they are like
Bill Clinton is part of this pedophile ring. If we
(29:15):
can just get Trump in, he's going to blow open
the Q and on conspiracy. Then Trump gets in, he
promises that he's going to release three things, the JFK
files and we're going to prove the real conspiracy mind JFK,
the MLK file is going to prove the conspiracy behind
the mlk's assassination, and the Epstein files. He then comes
in and it turns out that was his bestie for
fifteen years. He had released it not a.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Damp Stein file.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He hires Cash Hotel, makes him FBI director. Castel used
to say, the FBI director is who has the Q Andon,
who has the Epstein files.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Now he is Epstein. He is the FBI director Dan.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Bongino, who seems super uncomfortable with now being told to
suppress this information he himself promised would come out. Donald
Trump did the perfect scam. You want to bury the
Epstein files, become the president based on saying you're going
to release them, and then suppress them, and it was
desperate to suppress them.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
But now that is why to my original question, Now
we're starting to see cracks in MAGA.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Correct because MAGA already has a core belief that there
is a global pedophile ring.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And guess what.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
There was a global pedophile ring. Jeffrey Epstein was running it.
And what they didn't count on is that their guy,
their c their king, Donald Trump, was best friends with
the guy running a legitimate global pedophile ring. There was
a real global pedophile ring. There were multiple model agents
involved in it. John Casablancas was accused of it, Jean
Luca Brunell was accused of it, Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump
(30:40):
also had a modeling agency.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
All these men and I'm not saying hmas pedophile, like
not say.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
That, but we're saying they all knew each other. And
you had all these men that were dealing with very
young women and models, some of whom were allegedly abusing
some of their own models. And so you now have
this world that the MAGA base is seeing exposed. They
want more information, and they finally feel like they are
right on the big brink of blowing the whole conspiracy open.
(31:06):
And Donald Trump is not powerful enough with his rhetoric
and whatever these he tries to do to suppress that belief.
So now MAGA is cracking because the base came with
that belief, and now a lot of what they believe
has been proven true, not all of it. Some of
it is crazy, the Pizzagate stuff and all the things.
It's the core part of their belief. The Qton believe
(31:28):
they weren't wrong. There isn't There was a global.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Pedophile and it was involving right the people the most.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
The simple structure of them believing there's a global pedophile
ring happening was that's that was true, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Run by this super elite. We had Prince Andrew, so
you had former prime ministers, So that was what they
were actually and now they oh my goodness, this stuff
is so deep.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
You know what I need you to do. I need
you and others to do. I would like I would
like a podcast dedicated to this that breaks that all down.
I think you I think if if it's a podcast,
maybe it's a five minute episode on your show every day,
but like breaking it all down so we can understand
what is happening. Because I just feel like the everyday person,
(32:09):
even those who were on TV talking about it, they
don't get into the minutia. And I think it's because
of the Q and on of it all that makes
people a little nervous because it's hard to explain a
conspiracy theory and without sounding crazy and all the things.
But my point being is that there's so much happening
in real time. And I walk down the street and
they're like, so, we're gonna see the files down what's
supposed to be in the foules? When Aaron Rodgers is
(32:31):
on you know, Pat McAfee show, saying the file should
be coming out too, and I was like last year,
a couple of years ago. He's like, we should get
all the information we need to know you know who,
And he alluded to the fact. Remember he kind of
alluded to the fact that Kimo might be in it,
and Kim O was like, what Jimmy, kimme o' what
They're going back and forth? What this? It is fascinating
how we all are under wraps about this. I am
(32:53):
I wish I could talk to you for fifteen hours.
This is a two parter. By the way, I'm gonna
have to break this episode down to two parts because
I will try to keep it to forty five minutes,
but New York City would let me be great, and
you are great, so I have to keep that This
is a two parter. So thank you for coming on, Joey.
Before I let you go, because they're gonna kick me
out of this room in a minute. Before I let
you go, I want to continue to say this to you,
(33:15):
and I'm going to say this as I wrap up
the show. I am so grateful for your presence. I'm
so grateful for what you do. I'm grateful for your
fearless nature. I'm grateful for the words that you put
together to defend us and to talk for us and
to help us, and how your sentiments represent us in
a lot of ways. And I'm talking about black women
who feel like they're on the fringe and they don't
(33:36):
know where to go. So many of us are sitting
here saying, look at how she is moving in a
world that tries to say that her excellence is not required.
Your excellence is needed. It is a necessity. It's like
air we breathe, and you continue to give it to
assist And I am so grateful for you. That's what
I am.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I'm so grateful for your friendship. I mean, I love
the Machetes for a lot of reasons, but they brought
me into community with you, and having you as my
friend is just such a such a blessing.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You are so brilliant, my sister.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
You are as beautiful inside as out, and that is
not easy to achieve because you flasses.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And I just love the.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Fact that you know we can have these dialogues and
that we actually even just in kiking in a text
of thread, we are supporting each other and we are
I feel like an example of black women doing what
we black women are supposed to do, which is building
each other, lifting each other up. You do that without
even thinking twice. And I appreciate you and love you
so much. I preach to love you and there's nothing you.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Can do about it.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I love you, Love you, love you. Thank you for
coming on and sharing your excellence. I know you got
to get to work. Joy read ladies and gentlemen on
Naked Sports and she gave us t T. I mean,
it's pipe it.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
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