June 9, 2025 • 42 mins
The conversation delves into the work ethic and upbringing of Tamron Hall, the challenges and assumptions surrounding motherhood, the importance of presentation in journalism, and the experiences of sexual harassment as a black woman. Hall shares stories; of motherhood, behind-the-scenes, and the writings of her true crime series as a cathartic experience.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'll give you a three two one a week ago.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
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of picked quiet snager Jennifer Dorito. Okay, thank you Jesus Crunch.
It's gonna be the most unusual interview you've ever had.
Your first child knows.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Shout out to Moses, Tameron Hall's son. He's here while
we're doing this interview, eating some really tink sea doritos.
So if you hear him throughout this entire interview, just
know Tamer's a working mom. She's giving us what I'd
like to call a real look behind the scenes, breaking
down that fourth layer. It's hard to be working mom
in this day and age, isn't it. Anyway, You're gonna
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hey, everybody, welcome to a new edition of Naked So
I am telling you I have as you will know
because I tell you guys, ow my business moved to
New York City, and I wanted to take that opportunity
to do some in studio interviews as opposed to doing
them over zoom.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And I did that. I did that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I waited till I found a guest that I really
knew would be very fair and honest, funny, engaging, and
I found the right person, someone that I've looked up
to for years. So if you hear me, you know
beginning with effusive, effusive, not effusive effusive praise, it is
because I love me On tamar At Hall, Ladies and gentlemen,
(01:53):
welcome Tamaron to.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:59):
So so Tameron Hall, this is I have to give
you a story. When I usually have my guests on,
I like to tell them a story of what we
know and what we remember. And this is still true
to this day. But I have always always seen myself
and you on television. You are so unapologetic about who
you are, and to me that was always the north star.
(02:22):
And one day I was at work and a boss
came in to me, He's like, you see her. Do
you see how she just is? I was like, yes, no,
I'm in love. Were already in love. I've been in
love for years and you have been nothing but generous
and kind to me. And you don't have to, so thanks, I.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Have to, but you do. Yes, I want to and
I have to. I mean, how could anyone not support
the magic that's you? I mean you you make it
very very easy, you know. And when I say I
have to, I believe that you're drawn to light if
you're lucky. Yeah, And I was drawn to you instantly
(02:56):
I saw your work. I mean, you're so gracious. You
have this beautiful studio that you've set up, and you
are allowing myself to crunch Dorrito's just a few. So
for those of you who are listening at doors watching,
if you just saw the next snap, that was a
mom next step because it's just as we were starting
with the beautiful intro, there was a voice that's not
either about myself.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
I mean, that's why you're magical.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I walked into this studio with my child who's on
spring break, who I want him to see more of
what I do? And do you know how many other
people would have panicked to watch a four year old
walk in with a bag of Dorito's, you know, and
you recognize life right and and what matters, what matters,
(03:40):
And I appreciate that very much. But as I said,
I I mean watching you and watching these bowl unapologetic
moves that you've made has been inspiring to me as well.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, thank you for saying that. That means a lot.
I don't think that we give one another our flowers.
And I also know this is going to be in
this interview. By the end of this interview, we are
bringing him up here where he kicking inscreament whether you
want to hang out or not, and he gonna talk.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Will he will, he will? And again you know, that's
the reality of life. I swear.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'm like, it's the first time. I'm sure you've had
a dorito eating school year old nearby. But I, as
I said, I've been trying to make sure. You know,
I just went on my book tour and he congratulated,
thank you, And he was with me in Baltimore and
there were eight hundred women, largely and husbands who were
dragged by those women in to see me. And I really,
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I really want my kid to experience life with me,
and my mother was that way.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
My mom was a nineteen year old single mom. I
went everywhere with my mom. I was her shotgun, you know.
And so when she worked at a leather factory when
she was trying to get her degree, she took me
up to Tandy Leather and I saw all of these
women sitting behind these machines, and their job was to
put the rivets on the leather pants, the snaps on
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leather goods. And you know, that was the most important
job in the world in me my mom. That's where
my mom worked, and she's walking me through.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But that's your work ethic.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I obviously am preparing for this interview, and I see
that you are on a book tour, as mentioned, but
day after day it's a new city, and I'm all like, okay, Philly, Baltimore, Connecticut.
I'm like, and you're working and you're doing it, and
you're meeting people and you're communing with the people all
the while. I see Moses Chillren. Now you know, and
(05:41):
I know you have help, but help doesn't always come
in the form of sanity or moments of quiet. And
when you tell the story about your mother to me,
illustrates your work ethic. Is that where you get your work? Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (05:56):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I think for my mother, I think my grandfather who
was born in nineteen oh one, who was a sharecropper,
but every step he took he took with great pride.
He ended up being a pitmaster in his career, and
he going back to you know work, and remembering my
mom and her job at that factory. I remember, you know,
we would drive. Once my mom got on her feet,
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like she's like nineteen twenty, she decided she wanted to
move from the small town where we lived because her
chances were better in a bigger city like so many places,
and we moved to Dallas Fort Worth, Texas. But we
would go back every summer, every holiday with my grandfather.
And I remember driving up in our Grimlin, our brown Grimlin,
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and we would our first stop, you know, my granda.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
We passed my grandpa's.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Who if you guys, the kids some kids are you know?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Yeah, google google Grimlin. It's like it's with the El
Camino style, is it back in the day?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Car catching back and me and my and our little grimlin.
I've bet it'd be very valuable right now. Hours was
wrecked in the front, and we'd drive past my grandfather's
house because his house was on the corner on the
way to where he worked at this grocery store at
the back as a pitmaster. And you know, I'd get
out and run into this little grocery store, Lee Chambers
grocery Store, and go see my grandfather with his apron
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on and the stains from you know, the barbecue and
the sauces and all that. And he was always working
very very hard. And then on Sunday, you know, he
would you know, shed all of that and put on
his Stacy Adams and get in his green buick and
his beautiful hat, and he would, you know, go into church.
And so I grew up around people who had phenomenal
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work ethic. My mother phenomenal work ethics. She'd work at
that factory and then she'd decorate cakes at a grocery
store at night, all while getting her schooling and college
degree and making sure that I she had. She she
went for two more years and then ultimately did not
complete at all.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
How about this.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I had the great pleasure of speaking at my mom's graduation.
Oh my god, Yeah, yeah, she finished everything. I guess
it's about twelve years ago, maybe a little longer.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And so yeah, great work ethic. My mom married the dad.
I say, God meant for me to have my stepfather.
We never referred to him as my stepfather, was my dad.
And he went to the army when he was fourteen,
fourteen years old and because he said he was waiting
tables and he just couldn't stand the way people were
talking to him and talking at him, and he thought,
(08:33):
I'm going to go to the military. I'm joining where
his brothers were all in the military, and he became
a career military man. He retired as a master sergeant
out of four hood, Texas. So you know, I was
always around people had tremendous work ethic, tremendous work ethic.
And so when I'm thinking, well, how do you do
it all? And I don't know if we all do
it all? But I think for me, especially being in
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the same industry and always looking up to you, you
gave us a lot of freedoms. I don't even know
if you realize it, but when you talked about the
difficulty of having a child later in life and then
finally having this wonderful baby, this wonderful Dorito eating just
well not very far from this microto eating child and
we better have them sponsored a dagon podcast.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Oh my god, bleeped out.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Then said chip unless they pay, said chip, okay, chip, Chip,
Chip chip.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But like that.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
To me, those kind of stories are so interesting because
on your appearance, your beauty, smart, you are intellig intelligent,
you are that can be very intimidating, and you brought
in a whole new world. What made you want.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
To share that story?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, I really honestly had no choice. I mean, everyone
knew my age, you know. I guess if I started today,
you wouldn't know your age. Yeah, yeah, so I knew
my age at forty eight. I the show and my
IVF journey all coincided. I was preparing to launch the
show when the very first round of IVF took. In fact,
(09:58):
the day we tape my pilot was the day I
got the call from the hospital that it had taken.
We'd had other failed rounds, and I also thought it
was important to show the realities of the journey right.
People throughout my career made many assumptions about why I
didn't have a child. Oh, she's selfish, or she don't
(10:18):
have a man or all these things they put on nerves,
you know. And every woman who is probably past thirty
knows that there are folks, whether they are in your
professional life or your personal life, who make assumptions when
you don't have children over the age of thirty. And
so I knew all of these assumptions. And by the way,
had I stayed at the Today Show, I would have
(10:40):
been the only woman on the main cast that didn't
have a child, because when I left, Hoda became a
mom with her daughters and her adoption journey. So and
in morning TV especially, this assumption of motherhood making you
relatable was a big undercurrent, and I wanted to talk
(11:02):
openly about how I felt that that was nonsense. My
womanhood and my motherhood are two different journeys. I'm born
into womanhood and motherhood came at forty eight, and they're
two very different things for me.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Tell me what womanhood is versus motherhood in your opinion, right?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
You know?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Womanhood are the friends that I still have who one
actually said, you have a baby, now I don't. We're
not going to talk as much. And I said, you're
You've been my friend forever I'm not in this club
of people who only have to have my same journey.
My womanhood is the fact that I have the same
best friends since.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
We were four years old.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Those relationships of commonality mean something to me. My motherhood
is a very different journey in that I do have
friends who you know, I have a friend, a darling friend.
She's got three kids and others four, and I call
them for the different kind of advice. But we still
talk about our life before Moses and our children. I
said something one day, and I don't think people really
(12:03):
appreciate it that I said. Are some people that I said,
you know, I love my life with my child immensely,
and I love the smell of his skin, the smell
of his hair. I wake up sometimes and I can't
even believe he's mine. But I also loved my life
before and I can picture my life both versions of
me very clearly, and I love them both.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah. I love that, Okay, and they The thing is
what you just said.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I've had this conversation with so many different women who
either adopted or children later in life. There is a
shame that is associated with you in society if you
don't have a child by a certain age, or if
you just never have a child, and then when you
and if you don't physically because she had a surrogate,
if you don't physically give birth, there's still more, like.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You know, and I learned early on. So many years ago,
I wrote a blog post about parenting because I ran
into a rough situation.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
This was after New.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Town, and all of the people around me kept saying,
you know, a parent's worst nightmare.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
You don't understand, you don't understand, And I felt.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Like, wait a minute, do you believe that myself and
other people who don't have children went home that day
and just forgot that we watched babies be massacred, right,
And I was maybe in my feelings or whatnot, but
I wrote a post about, you know, how we on
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this journey of humanity without children does not mean that
we are absent from the sadness and sorrow of watching
something like this. So I wrote this whole post about it,
and it was widely received and it was great. And
I'm on a like coming from somewhere, and this woman
came to me and she was tears in her eyes,
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and she happened to be white, and she said tammering
that touched me to my soul. She said, I actually
am raising my steps on and so often at the
you know whatever, grandparents or relatives will say, well, you
don't understand. He's really not your child. Yeah, and she said,
I smothe him, I feed him.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
He lives with me. He is my child.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And so going back to what you were saying, I
noticed that people, you know, if you have all boys,
they go, you don't understand unless you have girls.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
And then you have girls, like you don't understand.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And then if you all never know, if you don't
have twins, and then it's like, well you have a
one child, you don't know unless you have four, you know.
And there's always a moving of the goal post, okay,
in our lives in general, right, it's in professions you
get your dream job.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yeah, well you remember, it's always people want to move
your goal post.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it sometimes it's to make themselves feel better, you know,
but also sometimes they just even know what to say.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, exactly, it's talking. I if you think about let's
let's go to womanhood, and you're in the years in
which I would be like, I want all her shoes
in clothes, I want everything that to this day still
but it was all one of these affirming reasons for
me to say because when I started at ESPN, women
(15:05):
were still wearing pantsuits and they were always like when.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I started in reporting, I actually, you know, fun fact
was probably one of the first to wear after Michelle Obama,
around the same time the sheath dress.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Oh, when I got into.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Today's Show and people were not dressing like And I've
never actually taken claim and staked my flag on that,
but let me just do it right here on your
show for theirs. I've never said it, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It is a fact.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And the reason why I was so defiant in my
fashion to be honest with you is not because I thought, Okay,
I'm gonna be There was a tabloid report once that
said I would walk into the Today Show and make
every you can actually google this is stunny that I
would line up the women and make them change their
clothes so I could. It was it was like, I'm like, really, yes,
(15:58):
it's always the Zealand, so I'm gonna make the main
ancors change their clothes.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
But okay, and exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Really, but I you know, early in my career in
the nineties. I was a reporter and there was a
heat wave and I was outside in Texas. You know
those reports where he cracked the egg and it sizzles,
you know, yeah, this is the heat wave. And the
news director at the time, I took my blazer off
and I was out in the field and he got
in my ear my eye been to put your blazer
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back on. And I said, it's one hundred and ten.
What are you talking about? And he goes, no one's
gonna take you seriously. And it was infuriating, and I'm like, no,
no one's gonna take me seriously because I'm standing out
in this sun looking like a chocolate drop melting. I
mean like, it was so ridiculous. And so his notion
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of my credibility was in my clothing, not my words,
not my presentation, not my hustle. It was that I
had on a long sleeve shirt, by the way, and
that's what I had on underneath. I didn't have a
tank top on. I had a button down shirt like
a golf shirt, a professional shirt, and I'm taking off
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my hot blazer, and so my value was somehow diminished
because I didn't have a full suit on. So I
was very mindful after that and in my career. So
it started in Chicago, where you know, like the Tribune said,
you know, the best stressed anchor on TV something. They
did a whole article and it really wasn't to be flashy.
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It was to say, I am going to present the
way I feel comfortable. It is professional and I like it.
And by the way, it's empowering.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's empowering because when I saw you dress the way
you were, I was like, you can dress. If you
can't get over what I looked like, then you didn't
come here to get the news.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
You didn't come here to get the news.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, so if you can't get over how you look
stunning and still can deliver smart information, I didn't understand
how people felt that I.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Was also operated within professional line, right, So I mean,
I recognize I'm a journalist. I'm at any given time
reporting on even now with my talk show, we pick
out our wardrobe a week in advance, right but down
to my hair, we talk about what that presents. So
if we're doing a show on the talk show about
true crime or you know, if we have a more
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serious conversation, you know, mental, I'm mindful I'm not gonna
come out in yeah you know, and so you know
I I it is strategic. It's not willy nilly. I
don't just go and go, oh this would be cute.
I look at what message it conveys. Is it appropriate?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Everything has a reason in a season and we go
that route. But it's always intentional for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Hey, everybody, I appreciate you for being patient, but we
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what sometimes we don't realize when we're doing something, that's
when you're part of being the first. And you were
the first in so many ways. It's more of a
struggle as opposed of Oh I did it. When you
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look back on your mini first in your career, do
you understand how valuable they are?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Like, oh my god, most is saying this is the
most is the No, he's perfect, He's like, mom, this
is the realist you'll ever see anything a Okay, I
challenge anyone, anyone who ever talks to you on this podcast.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I have a child who burns.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
By the way, but this is real life. I'm a
mom and I work. There's so many moms who are
listening and work, Like, look, you sometimes babies just gotta
be here, you know what I mean. We're gonna take that. Okay, Moses,
you can burp. Oh gosh, all you please don't encourage
is healthy. The baby he's a taurust. The baby ball
is in the room.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Healthy.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
When you look back on your first, Moses is a trip, y'all.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
The whole car.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
But when you look back on your first, are there
any regrets? Would you do anything differently?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Oh gosh?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And the first thing that popped up is what you
have to say.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, you know it's I don't so I don't I
really resist the word regret. Right, there are times I
wish I had different I had a massive different knowledge, right.
So knowledge is power, right, And and so for example,
even though I love my talk show and it's I
probably would have demanded more ownership of it. And that's
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my goal at this point now is to own more
of that show and ultimately own the show. And so
that is and that only really came in front of
mind for me because like yourself, you have your podcast,
this is your content, it is yours. I don't own
the tammeron Hall show despite it having my name, and
I wish I'd been more conscious of that.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
But I was going through a lot at that time.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And that's no excuse, but I was going through you know,
I'd just been you know, taking off the Today's Show.
Harvey Weinstein, you know, was the original executive producer partner.
Now he's on trial for rape and all of this,
and I'm just like, Okay, we got to get this
show going. Whatever, I need to get this show going.
And that was my That was something that I don't
(21:50):
regret it. But in reflection, I wish I had the
knowledge I have now because I would have broken to
a little different deal.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
But that's okay because the lesson is.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Too well now, yeah, yeah, how about these no deals
last year?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
You always redegotiations and that's the great thing. Well, yeah,
you mentioned Harvey. I remember when that came out. What
it was announced before we knew Harvey was Harvey as
a with it in the distance, that relationship. What was
that like for you?
Speaker 5 (22:25):
You know?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Which is is so funny that I actually didn't know Harvey,
which is so this is the incredible part of it.
And everyone, and thank you for asking, because someone's ever
really asked the full detail. I had come to a
point where we were I don't know, three months after
it was announced that I was leaving, and I never
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got a chance to say goodbye on air, and you
know how important those things are being on air. You're
just unceremoniously are showing the door, which is fine, and
I knew I would find my footing. And I never
was angry, I was never upset. I felt always like
I was floating in peace in a weird way. But
there was one moment where I was exhausted. People were
offering me, you know, they wanted to have me come
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in to give them the scoop of what really happened,
but never and these were like executives who wanted the
scoop of what happened at the Today Show but really
didn't have anything substance, substantive to offer me, or you know,
one network Hall and said, you know, we want to
know she's available to fill in because we have someone
going on maternity leave. And I'm like, uh, what you know? No,
(23:27):
It's like, are you kidding me? And so I was
really my energy was depleted that day. And I lived
in a place not very far from where we are
now in Tribeca. I went home and I vividly remember
taking a shower and crying, and I was in it. It
just had given up. And then again for the most part,
I was floating, floating in confidence, and then I was
(23:49):
that moment I was just depleted, and I just had
a series of conversations that just were just didn't go anywhere.
And my agent at the time called me and said,
Harvey Weinstein has sent a note and he's asked why
the f can I meet with tammeron Hall? And I'm like, well,
wait a minute, that's an escalation, yeah, And they said, yeah,
I don't know if he's calling the wrong office who
(24:11):
he's reaching out to. And so because it went from
like zero to six, I'm like, what is he talking about?
Is it wasn't as if I was not answering the
call or they weren't.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
We didn't know.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
So my agent said, okay, he had a big office
here in Tribeca. He wanted to meet us. All okay,
So we go into the office and it was myself
and my agent, my representatives and a couple of people
were in his office. And he came out of this
back room and I only see Harvey Weinstein on TV.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
I've never seen him in person.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So He's had this black T shirt on and I'm
very going back to fashion very day is it? Like
it was kind of dirty, and I was like, I
relinds he going to a dirty But he had this
huge spread of food and whatnot and he's he said,
I want to show you what I've been thinking of doing.
So they'd already edited a version of the Tameron Hall
show Wow, and he had vote I didn't even know
(25:00):
I took, and he was just like, these are the
guests we will get and this is this is it?
I know this you are going to change the scope
of daytime, which was music to my ears. Right, I'm thinking, Okay, God,
someone gets me. I'm not not just had a meeting
where someone said to me, will you do hot topics
and say uh uh.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
It was this white older man miming.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Uh uh or whatever it's going and I'm like, so,
I mean you imagine I'm hard.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
It is just like okay, they're just not going to
get it.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And so now he gets it and it's substantive and
it's really it's it's all the things, all the weapons
I believe I have great. So we started negotiating a
deal of shopping this show. Soon after, he invited me
to his home uh in Connecticut for dinner, family dinner.
His family was supposed to be there, not and so
(25:51):
I called my friend. I said, well, come with me
because I don't know him. Now I had not heard
that he was a I had not heard that, but
I already's a bully, and I just didn't want to
be like, I don't know these people.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
I'm going all the way to Connecticut.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
So I took my friend who's like six' nine and
with me and one of my best, Friends. Michael so
when he wants all the. SPRING i was, like, yes
and he's A greek and Our. MINIAN i was, like
he go get Your so we go and his family's
there's children are there and it was a wonderful dinner
and they had movie night and what that was. IT
(26:28):
i THINK i was maybe song two more. Times SO
i think during the course he invited me to a fashion,
show his wife's fashion. Line SO i think in TOTAL
i might have been in the, room never alone with,
him maybe four. Times, yeah so no real rapport and
(26:49):
WHEN i and it's so. FUNNY i remember the last
TIME i did see. Him we were outside of one
of the studios here In New york pitching the, show
and he was very fidgety and very like distract AND
i didn't know what was going. On AND i went
home and someone called me and they, Said i'm worried about.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
You i'm.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Sorry they Text i'm worried about. You they are talking
about THE r word With Harvey, weinstein AND i wrote
back retirement and then the person called me and then
they told me that there was going to be an
explosive report That Harvey weinstein had great people And i'm,
(27:28):
like wait, What and so my whole Now i'm spiraling. Back,
god how is this happening to? Me the one PERSON
i partner, WITH i went to my last conversation with.
HIM i went to host a domestic violence shelters anniversary
In texas and he called me and it was like
(27:48):
three in the, morning three in the morning Your, Texas texas.
TIME i was like three or four in the. Morning
and he, said you know this is not, true blah blah.
Blah AND i said something to the effect, of you
shouldn't be worried about WHAT i think of. You you
should be worried about what your, children what they will
know about.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You what did you? Say?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Nothing and that was my last. Conversation And i've reached
out to his lawyers to try to interview. Him is
he is one of the people on the. LIST i
think it is probably one of the biggest fall from
grace stories in modern.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
History certainly it spawned a lot of, things the Me too,
movement which you, know, yes quickly we talked To Toronto
burke and she tried to make sure that that wasn't
co opted for her as a black. Woman have you
in this business experienced sexual harassment and felt, LIKE i
don't know IF i should say anything.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
More times THAN i care to.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Recite do you think that there is a world in
which we could? EVER i have, mentees and when they
come to me and they ask for, HELP i don't
have an.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Answer.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
YEAH i don't know what to tell them to do,
sometimes and that breaks my. Heart, YEAH i would agree with.
THAT i think.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
That.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
YEAH i, mean, LISTEN I i feel the same way
a couple of. Things AND i you, know one Day
i'll write a memoir or, something or maybe not even a,
memoir Maybe i'll write it all down and present it.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Because it's painful for me to talk. About.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Right i've been in horrifying, situations horrifying. Situations i've had
the creepy. Calls i've had the same THINGS i know you've.
HAD i know it because it is, prolific the one.
Thing And i'm happy you brought Up torontic because she's
fantastic and she's been on my show that the title
(29:35):
of Me too being co opted and taken from, her
and then the face of victims suddenly not only became mostly,
wide but this certain stereotype of this young white blonde
female in the workplace and one of the helpless things
(29:58):
THAT i often, felt And i'm sure you have felt
they won't believe me Because i'm a black, woman and
they don't believe black women are targets of this and
we're afraid that these that we're, unafraid like we're too
tough to be a. Victim, yeah you, know and you know,
no they don't play that with the. Systems And i'm,
like really you think? That and so we were somehow
(30:23):
immune to it because our toughness was going to keep,
these you, know predators. Away, yeah and that's just not.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
True it discourages me because do you, say go TO, Hr,
well we know what happens when you were one of
a few and you go TO hr usually doesn't work
in our. Favor do you, say report your? Boss what
do you? Say, NO i don't know. What it's twenty
twenty four And i'm still scratching my.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Head SO i keep extensive documentation on everything good for.
YOU i write down lesson, learned lesson Learn IF i
walk out of a meeting Where i'm, UNCOMFORTABLE i write
every word down in that.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
MOMENT i learned that from a. Lawyer exemporaneous.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
NOTES i, now though you, know being the executive producer
of the show and having two hundred and fifty. Employees
actually don't meet one on one with people. Anymore i'm
rarely alone in a room with. ANYBODY i.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Feel that.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
One of the things that's going back to not, regrets
but knowledge is. POWER i WISH i had formed LIKE
i see you all on your trip, together And i'm, like,
Well i'm gonna. Invitation SO i love. THAT i WISH
i had formed like this league of women like you
(31:53):
all have when you go on your trip and you're
able to talk and you're able to share those, things
BECAUSE i was one of. One and that's no, excuse
but it. WAS i was so, LIKE i got to
get it. Done and So i'm sure some people thought
THAT i was unfriendly or quiet or to. MYSELF i
think that's WHAT i don't think people Think i'm. UNFRIENDLY
i think they Think i'm to myself And i'm really.
(32:14):
Not i'm actually my, house you, know is. Filled most
of my dearest friends aren't in the, Business SO i
think that's WHY i can look Like i'm off to.
Myself in, fact my team, said, oh you, know do
you want what celebrity do you want to host? It
THAT i have any celebrity. FRIENDS i have celebrity people
who know my phone number and we call and laugh with.
(32:34):
Talks but my crew there nobody's in this business per.
Se BUT i WISH i had done more to form these,
alliances being one of the first in a lot of.
Categories BUT i can tell you the day THAT i
was LEAVING, NBC i Called Joy read. First she was
(32:56):
the very first PERSON i call, sweetheart, right oh, gosh
and we. Talked we talk all day long age. Day you,
KNOW i WISH i had formed a league of, women you,
know or something. Right AND i did it In chicago a,
lot but by the TIME i got To New, york
the intensity was like off the.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Chart BUT i used to.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
You, KNOW i would have like dinner parties OR i would,
say let's all get together new, restaurants because when you're
in MORNING, tv all the chefs come on and they
always want you to come to their, restaurants be, there
and SO i would like have host little dinner parties
at different. Restaurants so that is something THAT i wish
i'd done more ONCE i got To New, york BECAUSE
(33:38):
i needed, it AND i know that others needed it
because the first two YEARS i was. HERE i don't
know if you've ever seen the Movie Devil's. Advocate it's
With Keanu reeves and. OUTPUT i, know it's. Brilliant so it's,
this you, know he comes from this small town and
it's all, beautiful and he's In New york and he's beautiful.
People they're, gorgeous and they're really. Monsters they're like. Devils
it's a brilliant. Film AND i felt that way WHEN
(34:01):
i first came. HERE i felt, like, gosh beautiful people
and parties and you, know red carpet and pop pa,
pop and but then these people would peel their masks.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Off and they were whole.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Goblins, yeah you.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Know prince used to call them energy.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Vampire let me tell you something that is a word right,
There that is a.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Word DO i have? It DO i have a dollar
in my purse?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Plate he is preaching because it's so try so when
you realize, THAT i will say, THIS i too have
the same reputation of sometimes being to. MYSELF i do
have my my good group Of machelle shut out to my,
girls but that that was not of my own, doing you,
know Like jamel would Love Jamal hill will tell a
story of how when we first got THE, ESPN i
(34:42):
was just like hey and just AND i was going
to get in and get.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Out my friends call me a social. Loaner in, Fact
jammel was.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
CORRECT i had we had we Had mexican food together
Those joy read And jamel like we're the two people.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Back to back THAT i.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Spoke, too sweetest, soul that was perfect. Easily and so,
yeah my friend Say i'm a social, Loaner.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
YEAH i, can and it's. Fine but it also it's
it's also, protection it preserves. You it's all the.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Things every champion and carry champion is to be a,
champion a champion and carry champion and carry chat be
out a champion and carried champion and carried chap.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Is the spion entertainment cant naked.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Worker every champion and carry champion is to be a,
champion a champion and carrie, champion the shout a champion
and carry champion and carried chapiament naked.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Word BEFORE i let you, go because you really went
here and shared so many. THINGS i back to the work.
ETHIC i don't know when you have the, time but
you are on your second book now and you have a.
Series you have a true crime, series you GUYS i
can tell you about you've seen, her and you had
a true crime SHOW, Msnbc.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Yeah AND missnbc And Discovery.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
IDEA i had a show Called Deadline crime With Tameron
hall and lasted for six seas AND i ended this
show AFTER i did a case involving a pregnant woman
In oklahoma who was, killed and that, case along with,
another became the inspiration for the mystery involved With Jordan,
manning the character THAT i. Created, So jordan is a
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black female reporter who has a forensic science. Background she's
a reporter In. Chicago actually named Her Jordan. Manning falling
asleep watching one of the sports, THINGS i woke up
out Like, Jordan, OKAY i Know jordian And, manning that's her.
Name but she's our protagonist and she's a crime solving,
reporter huge, heart hugely, passionate but also in her mid
(36:38):
thirties trying to figure out. Life and so WHAT i
did with this character is is BRING i hope this
compassionate you, know bloodhound who if she's on the, case
she's going to solve. It but you see the layers
of what it's like to be a black woman in
the news, room what it's like to, be you, know
in this job that you love but wanting to have.
Love but at the end of the, day she's a tough.
Cookie and this is the second The Jordan manning. Series
(37:02):
the first case was inspired by SOMETHING i covered In,
chicago BUT i needed her to have the. Credibility SO
i poured in my years At Deadline, crime my thirty
years of being a, reporter most of that, crime and
THEN i had the luxury of fiction to create this juicy,
storyline you, know with a very shocking. ENDING i MEAN
i wrote. This the first YEARS i wrote during the.
Pandemic the SECOND i wrote In New York. City we
(37:25):
were isolated with the first. One we have a house
out In Long. Island so this one has a, heartbeat
it has an, intensity it is it's it's it's a
true thriller That i've just poured my heart.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
INTO i was audible. LISTENING i wouldn't like to tell
YOU i was. READING i was not.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Audible sales are off the, charge by the, Way you're not.
ALONE i was, like, DANG i love. It they gave
me the sale numbers of. IT i was, like My,
GOD i love.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
IT i loved every moment of.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
It and THEN i was AS i was coming in
today AND i was telling, THEM i was, like this
is really. Good and it's interesting because you take this
character and it's loosely related to what's what's happened or
perhaps inspired a little bit about what's happened to your,
sister and you've shared the. Story do you find it
is cathartic for?
Speaker 5 (38:07):
You?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Yeah, oh, yes.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Absolutely And i've talked about my sister being the victim
of an unsolved crime and subsequently my work with survivors
of domestic. Violence and WHEN i was writing this, series
the case involves a missing mother of two and her,
advocate if you, will is her, Sister, shelley And shelley
(38:30):
Finds Jordan manning and pleads With Jordan manning to help
her find her. Sister and WHEN i got done with the,
book it was only AFTER i got done with the
book THAT i realized That shelley this time around is
me in so many, ways because we felt very helpless
after my sister's. Death we felt very unhappy with the,
investigation and frustrated and angry and all these things that
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anyone would feel if a loved one was taken away
in this, way and so for, Me shelley became this.
Character notes it was not the intention where you see
some of WHAT i felt and members of my family
all poured into this.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
CHARACTER i love.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
It thank you for being. Here we ran over continued,
love health and.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Wealth thank, you she, wrote in so many, ways And
elvis Aka moses has left the.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Wow, right, wow, wow wow.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Wow i'm gonna tell you my quick takeaways BECAUSE i
HAVEN'T i haven't done that in a.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
While the biggest, takeaway, well there were.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Several thank You, tamrian first off for being on the,
podcast but the takeaway in WHICH i said to, you
this business is, tough but all businesses deal with women
addressing sexual. Harassment what you can, do and she just
quite frankly, Said, carrie you've dealt with.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
It i've dealt with. It we all deal with. It document.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Everything we don't have a perfect answer for that because
we are not in a perfect, place and we are
not in a perfect.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Union the society is not. Perfect but ladies pay, attend document.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Everything if you ever feel, uncomfortable if you ever feel
like you're in a situation.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Where you are.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Being, abused or treated, unfairly or someone is. Harassing you document,
everything especially in the, workplace more specifically in the. Workplace
and ALSO i want to thank her for sharing her
story About Harvey.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Weinstein she, said no one's really asked her About. Harvey
no one has really.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Said what was your Relationship harvey was supposed to do her?
Show could you imagine your show being attached To Harvey
weinstein and you're, like oh my, god this is. It
my show is, done it's never coming, out it's. Over
and here she is.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Winning on all.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Levels The Tammeron hall show was in its fifth, season
and to, me if that is not a message that
says keep, going continue to, push continue to, strive to
fight for what you.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
WANT i don't know what the heck.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
IS i would have thought my show would have been
dead in the water if it had any bit Of
harvey's imprint on.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
It he's a.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Pariah the stories that are coming out about him are.
Horrific he literally was doing a casting couch and he
knew he could do it with, right he knew who
he could do that. To at, least it seems as
if he was a predator on, purpose very specific a
(41:35):
predator with. Purpose thank God tammeron got out of that
situation and look at her, now she's better for. It and,
remember do not. Forget go out and purchase book number
two in her true crime. Series it's Called Watch Where They.
Hide it is a crime series thriller if you. Will
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following the likes of a true crime by the name
Of Jordan, manning you can see that that person as
mentioned in this entire interview is very similar To, tameran
SO i think you'll enjoy. It watch For Their hide
available everywhere you get your books and of course On.
AMAZON i hope you guys take some, notes go back
and listen to it. Again this is a special. Interview
(42:19):
shout out To tamaran again for coming. On thanks to
the crew A Wtf Media, studios.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
You're down on you go outside that. Much shout out
to my crew as. Well we'll talk to you guys next.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Week
I'll give you a three two one a week ago.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Wait, Jennifer opened the chips now because okay, we kind
of picked quiet snager Jennifer Dorito. Okay, thank you Jesus Crunch.
It's gonna be the most unusual interview you've ever had.
Your first child knows.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Shout out to Moses, Tameron Hall's son. He's here while
we're doing this interview, eating some really tink sea doritos.
So if you hear him throughout this entire interview, just
know Tamer's a working mom. She's giving us what I'd
like to call a real look behind the scenes, breaking
down that fourth layer. It's hard to be working mom
in this day and age, isn't it. Anyway, You're gonna
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
Hey, everybody, welcome to a new edition of Naked So
I am telling you I have as you will know
because I tell you guys, ow my business moved to
New York City, and I wanted to take that opportunity
to do some in studio interviews as opposed to doing
them over zoom.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
And I did that. I did that.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I waited till I found a guest that I really
knew would be very fair and honest, funny, engaging, and
I found the right person, someone that I've looked up
to for years. So if you hear me, you know
beginning with effusive, effusive, not effusive effusive praise, it is
because I love me On tamar At Hall, Ladies and gentlemen,
(01:53):
welcome Tamaron to.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Naked Chat, Chapion and Car with Chpy and the Care
with Chevy.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So so Tameron Hall, this is I have to give
you a story. When I usually have my guests on,
I like to tell them a story of what we
know and what we remember. And this is still true
to this day. But I have always always seen myself
and you on television. You are so unapologetic about who
you are, and to me that was always the north star.
(02:22):
And one day I was at work and a boss
came in to me, He's like, you see her. Do
you see how she just is? I was like, yes, no,
I'm in love. Were already in love. I've been in
love for years and you have been nothing but generous
and kind to me. And you don't have to, so thanks, I.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Have to, but you do. Yes, I want to and
I have to. I mean, how could anyone not support
the magic that's you? I mean you you make it
very very easy, you know. And when I say I
have to, I believe that you're drawn to light if
you're lucky. Yeah, And I was drawn to you instantly
(02:56):
I saw your work. I mean, you're so gracious. You
have this beautiful studio that you've set up, and you
are allowing myself to crunch Dorrito's just a few. So
for those of you who are listening at doors watching,
if you just saw the next snap, that was a
mom next step because it's just as we were starting
with the beautiful intro, there was a voice that's not
either about myself.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
I mean, that's why you're magical.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I walked into this studio with my child who's on
spring break, who I want him to see more of
what I do? And do you know how many other
people would have panicked to watch a four year old
walk in with a bag of Dorito's, you know, and
you recognize life right and and what matters, what matters,
(03:40):
And I appreciate that very much. But as I said,
I I mean watching you and watching these bowl unapologetic
moves that you've made has been inspiring to me as well.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, thank you for saying that. That means a lot.
I don't think that we give one another our flowers.
And I also know this is going to be in
this interview. By the end of this interview, we are
bringing him up here where he kicking inscreament whether you
want to hang out or not, and he gonna talk.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Will he will, he will? And again you know, that's
the reality of life. I swear.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I'm like, it's the first time. I'm sure you've had
a dorito eating school year old nearby. But I, as
I said, I've been trying to make sure. You know,
I just went on my book tour and he congratulated,
thank you, And he was with me in Baltimore and
there were eight hundred women, largely and husbands who were
dragged by those women in to see me. And I really,
(04:41):
I really want my kid to experience life with me,
and my mother was that way.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
My mom was a nineteen year old single mom. I
went everywhere with my mom. I was her shotgun, you know.
And so when she worked at a leather factory when
she was trying to get her degree, she took me
up to Tandy Leather and I saw all of these
women sitting behind these machines, and their job was to
put the rivets on the leather pants, the snaps on
(05:10):
leather goods. And you know, that was the most important
job in the world in me my mom. That's where
my mom worked, and she's walking me through.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But that's your work ethic.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I obviously am preparing for this interview, and I see
that you are on a book tour, as mentioned, but
day after day it's a new city, and I'm all like, okay, Philly, Baltimore, Connecticut.
I'm like, and you're working and you're doing it, and
you're meeting people and you're communing with the people all
the while. I see Moses Chillren. Now you know, and
(05:41):
I know you have help, but help doesn't always come
in the form of sanity or moments of quiet. And
when you tell the story about your mother to me,
illustrates your work ethic. Is that where you get your work? Absolutely?
Speaker 6 (05:56):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I think for my mother, I think my grandfather who
was born in nineteen oh one, who was a sharecropper,
but every step he took he took with great pride.
He ended up being a pitmaster in his career, and
he going back to you know work, and remembering my
mom and her job at that factory. I remember, you know,
we would drive. Once my mom got on her feet,
(06:19):
like she's like nineteen twenty, she decided she wanted to
move from the small town where we lived because her
chances were better in a bigger city like so many places,
and we moved to Dallas Fort Worth, Texas. But we
would go back every summer, every holiday with my grandfather.
And I remember driving up in our Grimlin, our brown Grimlin,
(06:41):
and we would our first stop, you know, my granda.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
We passed my grandpa's.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Who if you guys, the kids some kids are you know?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Yeah, google google Grimlin. It's like it's with the El
Camino style, is it back in the day?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Car catching back and me and my and our little grimlin.
I've bet it'd be very valuable right now. Hours was
wrecked in the front, and we'd drive past my grandfather's
house because his house was on the corner on the
way to where he worked at this grocery store at
the back as a pitmaster. And you know, I'd get
out and run into this little grocery store, Lee Chambers
grocery Store, and go see my grandfather with his apron
(07:19):
on and the stains from you know, the barbecue and
the sauces and all that. And he was always working
very very hard. And then on Sunday, you know, he
would you know, shed all of that and put on
his Stacy Adams and get in his green buick and
his beautiful hat, and he would, you know, go into church.
And so I grew up around people who had phenomenal
(07:42):
work ethic. My mother phenomenal work ethics. She'd work at
that factory and then she'd decorate cakes at a grocery
store at night, all while getting her schooling and college
degree and making sure that I she had. She she
went for two more years and then ultimately did not
complete at all.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
How about this.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I had the great pleasure of speaking at my mom's graduation.
Oh my god, Yeah, yeah, she finished everything. I guess
it's about twelve years ago, maybe a little longer.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And so yeah, great work ethic. My mom married the dad.
I say, God meant for me to have my stepfather.
We never referred to him as my stepfather, was my dad.
And he went to the army when he was fourteen,
fourteen years old and because he said he was waiting
tables and he just couldn't stand the way people were
talking to him and talking at him, and he thought,
(08:33):
I'm going to go to the military. I'm joining where
his brothers were all in the military, and he became
a career military man. He retired as a master sergeant
out of four hood, Texas. So you know, I was
always around people had tremendous work ethic, tremendous work ethic.
And so when I'm thinking, well, how do you do
it all? And I don't know if we all do
it all? But I think for me, especially being in
(08:54):
the same industry and always looking up to you, you
gave us a lot of freedoms. I don't even know
if you realize it, but when you talked about the
difficulty of having a child later in life and then
finally having this wonderful baby, this wonderful Dorito eating just
well not very far from this microto eating child and
we better have them sponsored a dagon podcast.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Oh my god, bleeped out.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Then said chip unless they pay, said chip, okay, chip, Chip,
Chip chip.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But like that.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
To me, those kind of stories are so interesting because
on your appearance, your beauty, smart, you are intellig intelligent,
you are that can be very intimidating, and you brought
in a whole new world. What made you want.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
To share that story?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Well, I really honestly had no choice. I mean, everyone
knew my age, you know. I guess if I started today,
you wouldn't know your age. Yeah, yeah, so I knew
my age at forty eight. I the show and my
IVF journey all coincided. I was preparing to launch the
show when the very first round of IVF took. In fact,
(09:58):
the day we tape my pilot was the day I
got the call from the hospital that it had taken.
We'd had other failed rounds, and I also thought it
was important to show the realities of the journey right.
People throughout my career made many assumptions about why I
didn't have a child. Oh, she's selfish, or she don't
(10:18):
have a man or all these things they put on nerves,
you know. And every woman who is probably past thirty
knows that there are folks, whether they are in your
professional life or your personal life, who make assumptions when
you don't have children over the age of thirty. And
so I knew all of these assumptions. And by the way,
had I stayed at the Today Show, I would have
(10:40):
been the only woman on the main cast that didn't
have a child, because when I left, Hoda became a
mom with her daughters and her adoption journey. So and
in morning TV especially, this assumption of motherhood making you
relatable was a big undercurrent, and I wanted to talk
(11:02):
openly about how I felt that that was nonsense. My
womanhood and my motherhood are two different journeys. I'm born
into womanhood and motherhood came at forty eight, and they're
two very different things for me.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Tell me what womanhood is versus motherhood in your opinion, right?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
You know?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Womanhood are the friends that I still have who one
actually said, you have a baby, now I don't. We're
not going to talk as much. And I said, you're
You've been my friend forever I'm not in this club
of people who only have to have my same journey.
My womanhood is the fact that I have the same
best friends since.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
We were four years old.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Those relationships of commonality mean something to me. My motherhood
is a very different journey in that I do have
friends who you know, I have a friend, a darling friend.
She's got three kids and others four, and I call
them for the different kind of advice. But we still
talk about our life before Moses and our children. I
said something one day, and I don't think people really
(12:03):
appreciate it that I said. Are some people that I said,
you know, I love my life with my child immensely,
and I love the smell of his skin, the smell
of his hair. I wake up sometimes and I can't
even believe he's mine. But I also loved my life
before and I can picture my life both versions of
me very clearly, and I love them both.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah. I love that, Okay, and they The thing is
what you just said.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I've had this conversation with so many different women who
either adopted or children later in life. There is a
shame that is associated with you in society if you
don't have a child by a certain age, or if
you just never have a child, and then when you
and if you don't physically because she had a surrogate,
if you don't physically give birth, there's still more, like.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You know, and I learned early on. So many years ago,
I wrote a blog post about parenting because I ran
into a rough situation.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
This was after New.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Town, and all of the people around me kept saying,
you know, a parent's worst nightmare.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
You don't understand, you don't understand, And I felt.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Like, wait a minute, do you believe that myself and
other people who don't have children went home that day
and just forgot that we watched babies be massacred, right,
And I was maybe in my feelings or whatnot, but
I wrote a post about, you know, how we on
(13:30):
this journey of humanity without children does not mean that
we are absent from the sadness and sorrow of watching
something like this. So I wrote this whole post about it,
and it was widely received and it was great. And
I'm on a like coming from somewhere, and this woman
came to me and she was tears in her eyes,
(13:52):
and she happened to be white, and she said tammering
that touched me to my soul. She said, I actually
am raising my steps on and so often at the
you know whatever, grandparents or relatives will say, well, you
don't understand. He's really not your child. Yeah, and she said,
I smothe him, I feed him.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
He lives with me. He is my child.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
And so going back to what you were saying, I
noticed that people, you know, if you have all boys,
they go, you don't understand unless you have girls.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
And then you have girls, like you don't understand.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And then if you all never know, if you don't
have twins, and then it's like, well you have a
one child, you don't know unless you have four, you know.
And there's always a moving of the goal post, okay,
in our lives in general, right, it's in professions you
get your dream job.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yeah, well you remember, it's always people want to move
your goal post.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it sometimes it's to make themselves feel better, you know,
but also sometimes they just even know what to say.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, exactly, it's talking. I if you think about let's
let's go to womanhood, and you're in the years in
which I would be like, I want all her shoes
in clothes, I want everything that to this day still
but it was all one of these affirming reasons for
me to say because when I started at ESPN, women
(15:05):
were still wearing pantsuits and they were always like when.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I started in reporting, I actually, you know, fun fact
was probably one of the first to wear after Michelle Obama,
around the same time the sheath dress.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
Oh, when I got into.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Today's Show and people were not dressing like And I've
never actually taken claim and staked my flag on that,
but let me just do it right here on your
show for theirs. I've never said it, but it's true.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It is a fact.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And the reason why I was so defiant in my
fashion to be honest with you is not because I thought, Okay,
I'm gonna be There was a tabloid report once that
said I would walk into the Today Show and make
every you can actually google this is stunny that I
would line up the women and make them change their
clothes so I could. It was it was like, I'm like, really, yes,
(15:58):
it's always the Zealand, so I'm gonna make the main
ancors change their clothes.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
But okay, and exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Really, but I you know, early in my career in
the nineties. I was a reporter and there was a
heat wave and I was outside in Texas. You know
those reports where he cracked the egg and it sizzles,
you know, yeah, this is the heat wave. And the
news director at the time, I took my blazer off
and I was out in the field and he got
in my ear my eye been to put your blazer
(16:26):
back on. And I said, it's one hundred and ten.
What are you talking about? And he goes, no one's
gonna take you seriously. And it was infuriating, and I'm like, no,
no one's gonna take me seriously because I'm standing out
in this sun looking like a chocolate drop melting. I
mean like, it was so ridiculous. And so his notion
(16:46):
of my credibility was in my clothing, not my words,
not my presentation, not my hustle. It was that I
had on a long sleeve shirt, by the way, and
that's what I had on underneath. I didn't have a
tank top on. I had a button down shirt like
a golf shirt, a professional shirt, and I'm taking off
(17:08):
my hot blazer, and so my value was somehow diminished
because I didn't have a full suit on. So I
was very mindful after that and in my career. So
it started in Chicago, where you know, like the Tribune said,
you know, the best stressed anchor on TV something. They
did a whole article and it really wasn't to be flashy.
(17:31):
It was to say, I am going to present the
way I feel comfortable. It is professional and I like it.
And by the way, it's empowering.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
It's empowering because when I saw you dress the way
you were, I was like, you can dress. If you
can't get over what I looked like, then you didn't
come here to get the news.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
You didn't come here to get the news.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, so if you can't get over how you look
stunning and still can deliver smart information, I didn't understand
how people felt that I.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Was also operated within professional line, right, So I mean,
I recognize I'm a journalist. I'm at any given time
reporting on even now with my talk show, we pick
out our wardrobe a week in advance, right but down
to my hair, we talk about what that presents. So
if we're doing a show on the talk show about
true crime or you know, if we have a more
(18:21):
serious conversation, you know, mental, I'm mindful I'm not gonna
come out in yeah you know, and so you know
I I it is strategic. It's not willy nilly. I
don't just go and go, oh this would be cute.
I look at what message it conveys. Is it appropriate?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Everything has a reason in a season and we go
that route. But it's always intentional for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
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at Home. I hope you enjoy I think that again,
what sometimes we don't realize when we're doing something, that's
when you're part of being the first. And you were
the first in so many ways. It's more of a
struggle as opposed of Oh I did it. When you
(19:40):
look back on your mini first in your career, do
you understand how valuable they are?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Like, oh my god, most is saying this is the
most is the No, he's perfect, He's like, mom, this
is the realist you'll ever see anything a Okay, I
challenge anyone, anyone who ever talks to you on this podcast.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I have a child who burns.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
By the way, but this is real life. I'm a
mom and I work. There's so many moms who are
listening and work, Like, look, you sometimes babies just gotta
be here, you know what I mean. We're gonna take that. Okay, Moses,
you can burp. Oh gosh, all you please don't encourage
is healthy. The baby he's a taurust. The baby ball
is in the room.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Healthy.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
When you look back on your first, Moses is a trip, y'all.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
The whole car.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
But when you look back on your first, are there
any regrets? Would you do anything differently?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Oh gosh?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And the first thing that popped up is what you
have to say.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, you know it's I don't so I don't I
really resist the word regret. Right, there are times I
wish I had different I had a massive different knowledge, right.
So knowledge is power, right, And and so for example,
even though I love my talk show and it's I
probably would have demanded more ownership of it. And that's
(21:03):
my goal at this point now is to own more
of that show and ultimately own the show. And so
that is and that only really came in front of
mind for me because like yourself, you have your podcast,
this is your content, it is yours. I don't own
the tammeron Hall show despite it having my name, and
I wish I'd been more conscious of that.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
But I was going through a lot at that time.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And that's no excuse, but I was going through you know,
I'd just been you know, taking off the Today's Show.
Harvey Weinstein, you know, was the original executive producer partner.
Now he's on trial for rape and all of this,
and I'm just like, Okay, we got to get this
show going. Whatever, I need to get this show going.
And that was my That was something that I don't
(21:50):
regret it. But in reflection, I wish I had the
knowledge I have now because I would have broken to
a little different deal.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
But that's okay because the lesson is.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Too well now, yeah, yeah, how about these no deals
last year?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
You always redegotiations and that's the great thing. Well, yeah,
you mentioned Harvey. I remember when that came out. What
it was announced before we knew Harvey was Harvey as
a with it in the distance, that relationship. What was
that like for you?
Speaker 5 (22:25):
You know?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Which is is so funny that I actually didn't know Harvey,
which is so this is the incredible part of it.
And everyone, and thank you for asking, because someone's ever
really asked the full detail. I had come to a
point where we were I don't know, three months after
it was announced that I was leaving, and I never
(22:45):
got a chance to say goodbye on air, and you
know how important those things are being on air. You're
just unceremoniously are showing the door, which is fine, and
I knew I would find my footing. And I never
was angry, I was never upset. I felt always like
I was floating in peace in a weird way. But
there was one moment where I was exhausted. People were
offering me, you know, they wanted to have me come
(23:07):
in to give them the scoop of what really happened,
but never and these were like executives who wanted the
scoop of what happened at the Today Show but really
didn't have anything substance, substantive to offer me, or you know,
one network Hall and said, you know, we want to
know she's available to fill in because we have someone
going on maternity leave. And I'm like, uh, what you know? No,
(23:27):
It's like, are you kidding me? And so I was
really my energy was depleted that day. And I lived
in a place not very far from where we are
now in Tribeca. I went home and I vividly remember
taking a shower and crying, and I was in it. It
just had given up. And then again for the most part,
I was floating, floating in confidence, and then I was
(23:49):
that moment I was just depleted, and I just had
a series of conversations that just were just didn't go anywhere.
And my agent at the time called me and said,
Harvey Weinstein has sent a note and he's asked why
the f can I meet with tammeron Hall? And I'm like, well,
wait a minute, that's an escalation, yeah, And they said, yeah,
I don't know if he's calling the wrong office who
(24:11):
he's reaching out to. And so because it went from
like zero to six, I'm like, what is he talking about?
Is it wasn't as if I was not answering the
call or they weren't.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
We didn't know.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
So my agent said, okay, he had a big office
here in Tribeca. He wanted to meet us. All okay,
So we go into the office and it was myself
and my agent, my representatives and a couple of people
were in his office. And he came out of this
back room and I only see Harvey Weinstein on TV.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
I've never seen him in person.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So He's had this black T shirt on and I'm
very going back to fashion very day is it? Like
it was kind of dirty, and I was like, I
relinds he going to a dirty But he had this
huge spread of food and whatnot and he's he said,
I want to show you what I've been thinking of doing.
So they'd already edited a version of the Tameron Hall
show Wow, and he had vote I didn't even know
(25:00):
I took, and he was just like, these are the
guests we will get and this is this is it?
I know this you are going to change the scope
of daytime, which was music to my ears. Right, I'm thinking, Okay, God,
someone gets me. I'm not not just had a meeting
where someone said to me, will you do hot topics
and say uh uh.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
It was this white older man miming.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Uh uh or whatever it's going and I'm like, so,
I mean you imagine I'm hard.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
It is just like okay, they're just not going to
get it.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And so now he gets it and it's substantive and
it's really it's it's all the things, all the weapons
I believe I have great. So we started negotiating a
deal of shopping this show. Soon after, he invited me
to his home uh in Connecticut for dinner, family dinner.
His family was supposed to be there, not and so
(25:51):
I called my friend. I said, well, come with me
because I don't know him. Now I had not heard
that he was a I had not heard that, but
I already's a bully, and I just didn't want to
be like, I don't know these people.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
I'm going all the way to Connecticut.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
So I took my friend who's like six' nine and
with me and one of my best, Friends. Michael so
when he wants all the. SPRING i was, like, yes
and he's A greek and Our. MINIAN i was, like
he go get Your so we go and his family's
there's children are there and it was a wonderful dinner
and they had movie night and what that was. IT
(26:28):
i THINK i was maybe song two more. Times SO
i think during the course he invited me to a fashion,
show his wife's fashion. Line SO i think in TOTAL
i might have been in the, room never alone with,
him maybe four. Times, yeah so no real rapport and
(26:49):
WHEN i and it's so. FUNNY i remember the last
TIME i did see. Him we were outside of one
of the studios here In New york pitching the, show
and he was very fidgety and very like distract AND
i didn't know what was going. On AND i went
home and someone called me and they, Said i'm worried about.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
You i'm.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Sorry they Text i'm worried about. You they are talking
about THE r word With Harvey, weinstein AND i wrote
back retirement and then the person called me and then
they told me that there was going to be an
explosive report That Harvey weinstein had great people And i'm,
(27:28):
like wait, What and so my whole Now i'm spiraling. Back,
god how is this happening to? Me the one PERSON
i partner, WITH i went to my last conversation with.
HIM i went to host a domestic violence shelters anniversary
In texas and he called me and it was like
(27:48):
three in the, morning three in the morning Your, Texas texas.
TIME i was like three or four in the. Morning
and he, said you know this is not, true blah blah.
Blah AND i said something to the effect, of you
shouldn't be worried about WHAT i think of. You you
should be worried about what your, children what they will
know about.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
You what did you? Say?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Nothing and that was my last. Conversation And i've reached
out to his lawyers to try to interview. Him is
he is one of the people on the. LIST i
think it is probably one of the biggest fall from
grace stories in modern.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
History certainly it spawned a lot of, things the Me too,
movement which you, know, yes quickly we talked To Toronto
burke and she tried to make sure that that wasn't
co opted for her as a black. Woman have you
in this business experienced sexual harassment and felt, LIKE i
don't know IF i should say anything.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
More times THAN i care to.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Recite do you think that there is a world in
which we could? EVER i have, mentees and when they
come to me and they ask for, HELP i don't
have an.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Answer.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
YEAH i don't know what to tell them to do,
sometimes and that breaks my. Heart, YEAH i would agree with.
THAT i think.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
That.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
YEAH i, mean, LISTEN I i feel the same way
a couple of. Things AND i you, know one Day
i'll write a memoir or, something or maybe not even a,
memoir Maybe i'll write it all down and present it.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Because it's painful for me to talk. About.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Right i've been in horrifying, situations horrifying. Situations i've had
the creepy. Calls i've had the same THINGS i know you've.
HAD i know it because it is, prolific the one.
Thing And i'm happy you brought Up torontic because she's
fantastic and she's been on my show that the title
(29:35):
of Me too being co opted and taken from, her
and then the face of victims suddenly not only became mostly,
wide but this certain stereotype of this young white blonde
female in the workplace and one of the helpless things
(29:58):
THAT i often, felt And i'm sure you have felt
they won't believe me Because i'm a black, woman and
they don't believe black women are targets of this and
we're afraid that these that we're, unafraid like we're too
tough to be a. Victim, yeah you, know and you know,
no they don't play that with the. Systems And i'm,
like really you think? That and so we were somehow
(30:23):
immune to it because our toughness was going to keep,
these you, know predators. Away, yeah and that's just not.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
True it discourages me because do you, say go TO, Hr,
well we know what happens when you were one of
a few and you go TO hr usually doesn't work
in our. Favor do you, say report your? Boss what
do you? Say, NO i don't know. What it's twenty
twenty four And i'm still scratching my.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Head SO i keep extensive documentation on everything good for.
YOU i write down lesson, learned lesson Learn IF i
walk out of a meeting Where i'm, UNCOMFORTABLE i write
every word down in that.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
MOMENT i learned that from a. Lawyer exemporaneous.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
NOTES i, now though you, know being the executive producer
of the show and having two hundred and fifty. Employees
actually don't meet one on one with people. Anymore i'm
rarely alone in a room with. ANYBODY i.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Feel that.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
One of the things that's going back to not, regrets
but knowledge is. POWER i WISH i had formed LIKE
i see you all on your trip, together And i'm, like,
Well i'm gonna. Invitation SO i love. THAT i WISH
i had formed like this league of women like you
(31:53):
all have when you go on your trip and you're
able to talk and you're able to share those, things
BECAUSE i was one of. One and that's no, excuse
but it. WAS i was so, LIKE i got to
get it. Done and So i'm sure some people thought
THAT i was unfriendly or quiet or to. MYSELF i
think that's WHAT i don't think people Think i'm. UNFRIENDLY
i think they Think i'm to myself And i'm really.
(32:14):
Not i'm actually my, house you, know is. Filled most
of my dearest friends aren't in the, Business SO i
think that's WHY i can look Like i'm off to.
Myself in, fact my team, said, oh you, know do
you want what celebrity do you want to host? It
THAT i have any celebrity. FRIENDS i have celebrity people
who know my phone number and we call and laugh with.
(32:34):
Talks but my crew there nobody's in this business per.
Se BUT i WISH i had done more to form these,
alliances being one of the first in a lot of.
Categories BUT i can tell you the day THAT i
was LEAVING, NBC i Called Joy read. First she was
(32:56):
the very first PERSON i call, sweetheart, right oh, gosh
and we. Talked we talk all day long age. Day you,
KNOW i WISH i had formed a league of, women you,
know or something. Right AND i did it In chicago a,
lot but by the TIME i got To New, york
the intensity was like off the.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Chart BUT i used to.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
You, KNOW i would have like dinner parties OR i would,
say let's all get together new, restaurants because when you're
in MORNING, tv all the chefs come on and they
always want you to come to their, restaurants be, there
and SO i would like have host little dinner parties
at different. Restaurants so that is something THAT i wish
i'd done more ONCE i got To New, york BECAUSE
(33:38):
i needed, it AND i know that others needed it
because the first two YEARS i was. HERE i don't
know if you've ever seen the Movie Devil's. Advocate it's
With Keanu reeves and. OUTPUT i, know it's. Brilliant so it's,
this you, know he comes from this small town and
it's all, beautiful and he's In New york and he's beautiful.
People they're, gorgeous and they're really. Monsters they're like. Devils
it's a brilliant. Film AND i felt that way WHEN
(34:01):
i first came. HERE i felt, like, gosh beautiful people
and parties and you, know red carpet and pop pa,
pop and but then these people would peel their masks.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
Off and they were whole.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Goblins, yeah you.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
Know prince used to call them energy.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Vampire let me tell you something that is a word right,
There that is a.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Word DO i have? It DO i have a dollar
in my purse?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Plate he is preaching because it's so try so when
you realize, THAT i will say, THIS i too have
the same reputation of sometimes being to. MYSELF i do
have my my good group Of machelle shut out to my,
girls but that that was not of my own, doing you,
know Like jamel would Love Jamal hill will tell a
story of how when we first got THE, ESPN i
(34:42):
was just like hey and just AND i was going
to get in and get.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
Out my friends call me a social. Loaner in, Fact
jammel was.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
CORRECT i had we had we Had mexican food together
Those joy read And jamel like we're the two people.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Back to back THAT i.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Spoke, too sweetest, soul that was perfect. Easily and so,
yeah my friend Say i'm a social, Loaner.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
YEAH i, can and it's. Fine but it also it's
it's also, protection it preserves. You it's all the.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Things every champion and carry champion is to be a,
champion a champion and carry champion and carry chat be
out a champion and carried champion and carried chap.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Is the spion entertainment cant naked.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Worker every champion and carry champion is to be a,
champion a champion and carrie, champion the shout a champion
and carry champion and carried chapiament naked.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Word BEFORE i let you, go because you really went
here and shared so many. THINGS i back to the work.
ETHIC i don't know when you have the, time but
you are on your second book now and you have a.
Series you have a true crime, series you GUYS i
can tell you about you've seen, her and you had
a true crime SHOW, Msnbc.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Yeah AND missnbc And Discovery.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
IDEA i had a show Called Deadline crime With Tameron
hall and lasted for six seas AND i ended this
show AFTER i did a case involving a pregnant woman
In oklahoma who was, killed and that, case along with,
another became the inspiration for the mystery involved With Jordan,
manning the character THAT i. Created, So jordan is a
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black female reporter who has a forensic science. Background she's
a reporter In. Chicago actually named Her Jordan. Manning falling
asleep watching one of the sports, THINGS i woke up
out Like, Jordan, OKAY i Know jordian And, manning that's her.
Name but she's our protagonist and she's a crime solving,
reporter huge, heart hugely, passionate but also in her mid
(36:38):
thirties trying to figure out. Life and so WHAT i
did with this character is is BRING i hope this
compassionate you, know bloodhound who if she's on the, case
she's going to solve. It but you see the layers
of what it's like to be a black woman in
the news, room what it's like to, be you, know
in this job that you love but wanting to have.
Love but at the end of the, day she's a tough.
Cookie and this is the second The Jordan manning. Series
(37:02):
the first case was inspired by SOMETHING i covered In,
chicago BUT i needed her to have the. Credibility SO
i poured in my years At Deadline, crime my thirty
years of being a, reporter most of that, crime and
THEN i had the luxury of fiction to create this juicy,
storyline you, know with a very shocking. ENDING i MEAN
i wrote. This the first YEARS i wrote during the.
Pandemic the SECOND i wrote In New York. City we
(37:25):
were isolated with the first. One we have a house
out In Long. Island so this one has a, heartbeat
it has an, intensity it is it's it's it's a
true thriller That i've just poured my heart.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
INTO i was audible. LISTENING i wouldn't like to tell
YOU i was. READING i was not.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Audible sales are off the, charge by the, Way you're not.
ALONE i was, like, DANG i love. It they gave
me the sale numbers of. IT i was, like My,
GOD i love.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
IT i loved every moment of.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
It and THEN i was AS i was coming in
today AND i was telling, THEM i was, like this
is really. Good and it's interesting because you take this
character and it's loosely related to what's what's happened or
perhaps inspired a little bit about what's happened to your,
sister and you've shared the. Story do you find it
is cathartic for?
Speaker 5 (38:07):
You?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Yeah, oh, yes.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Absolutely And i've talked about my sister being the victim
of an unsolved crime and subsequently my work with survivors
of domestic. Violence and WHEN i was writing this, series
the case involves a missing mother of two and her,
advocate if you, will is her, Sister, shelley And shelley
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Finds Jordan manning and pleads With Jordan manning to help
her find her. Sister and WHEN i got done with the,
book it was only AFTER i got done with the
book THAT i realized That shelley this time around is
me in so many, ways because we felt very helpless
after my sister's. Death we felt very unhappy with the,
investigation and frustrated and angry and all these things that
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anyone would feel if a loved one was taken away
in this, way and so for, Me shelley became this.
Character notes it was not the intention where you see
some of WHAT i felt and members of my family
all poured into this.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
CHARACTER i love.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
It thank you for being. Here we ran over continued,
love health and.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Wealth thank, you she, wrote in so many, ways And
elvis Aka moses has left the.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Wow, right, wow, wow wow.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Wow i'm gonna tell you my quick takeaways BECAUSE i
HAVEN'T i haven't done that in a.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
While the biggest, takeaway, well there were.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Several thank You, tamrian first off for being on the,
podcast but the takeaway in WHICH i said to, you
this business is, tough but all businesses deal with women
addressing sexual. Harassment what you can, do and she just
quite frankly, Said, carrie you've dealt with.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
It i've dealt with. It we all deal with. It document.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Everything we don't have a perfect answer for that because
we are not in a perfect, place and we are
not in a perfect.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Union the society is not. Perfect but ladies pay, attend document.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Everything if you ever feel, uncomfortable if you ever feel
like you're in a situation.
Speaker 6 (40:05):
Where you are.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Being, abused or treated, unfairly or someone is. Harassing you document,
everything especially in the, workplace more specifically in the. Workplace
and ALSO i want to thank her for sharing her
story About Harvey.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Weinstein she, said no one's really asked her About. Harvey
no one has really.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Said what was your Relationship harvey was supposed to do her?
Show could you imagine your show being attached To Harvey
weinstein and you're, like oh my, god this is. It
my show is, done it's never coming, out it's. Over
and here she is.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Winning on all.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Levels The Tammeron hall show was in its fifth, season
and to, me if that is not a message that
says keep, going continue to, push continue to, strive to
fight for what you.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
WANT i don't know what the heck.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
IS i would have thought my show would have been
dead in the water if it had any bit Of
harvey's imprint on.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
It he's a.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Pariah the stories that are coming out about him are.
Horrific he literally was doing a casting couch and he
knew he could do it with, right he knew who
he could do that. To at, least it seems as
if he was a predator on, purpose very specific a
(41:35):
predator with. Purpose thank God tammeron got out of that
situation and look at her, now she's better for. It and,
remember do not. Forget go out and purchase book number
two in her true crime. Series it's Called Watch Where They.
Hide it is a crime series thriller if you. Will
(41:57):
following the likes of a true crime by the name
Of Jordan, manning you can see that that person as
mentioned in this entire interview is very similar To, tameran
SO i think you'll enjoy. It watch For Their hide
available everywhere you get your books and of course On.
AMAZON i hope you guys take some, notes go back
and listen to it. Again this is a special. Interview
(42:19):
shout out To tamaran again for coming. On thanks to
the crew A Wtf Media, studios.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
You're down on you go outside that. Much shout out
to my crew as. Well we'll talk to you guys next.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Week
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