April 16, 2024 • 32 mins
In this episode, Cari Champion discusses the experiences of young black female athletes in the sports industry with Sanya Richards Ross, a decorated track and field star. They explore the narratives surrounding athletes like Angel Reese and Sha'Carri Richardson, who have faced praise and criticism for their outspokenness and success. The conversation delves into the challenges and expectations placed on black women in sports, the importance of authenticity, and the lessons that life teaches us. Sanya Richards Ross also shares her own experiences, and announces her involvement in various projects; including a pajama line, covering the Olympics, and a return to the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There is something that comes up in us where we're like.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Oh, like they're a little bit too brash or too right,
They're not going to understand you. But I have to
tell you, I love and respect and appreciate them so
much for being brave enough and having the courage to
show up authentically as themselves in every space. And I
think it is a challenge for all of us to say,
(00:23):
what is what is it in us that makes us
feel like eh when they're just being themselves.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And that was a black female athlete who's done it
at the heist of levels, giving her take on the
up and comers such as Angel Reese and she carry
richardson We get naked in this podcast y'all with Sonya
Richard Dross back in a moment.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's the greatest discourse and entertainment can make you win.
Carry champions and carry champion is to be a champion,
a champion, the CA champion and care with chapion.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And care with.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
So we have had a week, couple of huge weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So I'm just gonna kind of encapsulate what's been going
on in the last few months U and especially at
the top or the end rather of March beginning of April.
The women's basketball collegiate collegiate folks has been really special.
Everyone knows who Kitlyn Clark is, everyone knows who Angel
Reese is. These women have done something particularly special for
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the sport women's sports in general. If I'm being honest,
and I know that you all know the conversation and
the narrative around Caitlin versus Angel and what will happen
when Angel gets to the w NBA, and what will
happen when Reese Angel Reese gets to.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
The WA and what will happen when Kaitlyn Clark gets
to the w NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But I wanted to have a conversation with someone who's
lived this life, who knows what it feels like to
be at the top of her sport, to be young,
to be a black woman more specifically, and how to
handle the overnight success and the perceived narrative around these
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young black female athletes she carries. It's not it's not
my accident that she carried. Richardson and Angel Reese have
been villainized but loved also at the same time, it's
not an accident that both of these women are polarizing
and their young black female athletes that are at the
top of their sport. It is not an accident that
black women in general, when they do rise to the top,
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if they don't fit a certain narrative that mainstream America
seems to embrace, there is the conversation around each of
them that they're difficult.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
And what I have been told.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
On both sides is well, you can't talk trash and
then lose and then say it's not fair.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
If you're an athlete, you talk trash, talk trash, But
when you lose, when you lose.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
In whatever capacity, you got to take that l and
you got to take the trash talk that comes with it.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
That is you usually how the game goes.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
However, I'd like to say in both instances with the
she Carri Richardson and with an Angel Reese, when they
won and they trash talked, America still had a problem
with it. It didn't sit right with some folks, myself included,
because I was just like, oh, I come from that
school of look, yeah, be your authentic self, but come
on now, let's just let's win with some grace and
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some elegance.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
And these young women are like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No, I'm talking my ish and if you got a
problem with me talking ish, so what.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Now? For me? That was Jari.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
But I started to loosen up, and I'm like, you
can't tell them anything. Life will teach them, for better
or for worse, Life will humble them. There's no reason
for me to come in and say you shouldn't have
said this or that.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Life will teach you.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I Eh, Carrie Richardson, she rose overnight, she fell, she
rose again, and when she rose again, she just let
her feet do the talking. She just started to win.
She said nothing, she didn't brag about winning. She didn't
do Now She's like, I'm still that girl, and I
had to learn She's still there.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
And I believe the same is true or will be
true for Angel.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
But I wonder why we have to take as young
black women in this sport, why they have to take
so much heat, why people have to be so harsh
and cruel to them.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Bad moments don't define who we are.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
A single moment where you show up wrong, you say
something wrong, you talk bad about somebody, you appear arrogant,
that doesn't define you.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I hope that life shows.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Them that there's more out there and more ways to
see the world. And more ways to receive the world.
That is my hope for them. But I surely find
it not coincidental that they both have to be villainized
quote unquote humbled and then go on about their lives.
I wonder what that is? I asked Anya Richard's Ross
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her opinion. She is arguably one of the most decorated
track and field stars there is. She is an Olympic
gold medalist, a five time world champion. I mean she really,
she's done it all. She's now an analyst for track
and field. During the Olympics, you'll see her covering the
sport talking about Sha Carrie because she has been there.
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She is legendary, and I say to myself, what is
this about. She's very honest, she shares her opinion and
it's fair. How about that, guys? You know I like
when we're fair. So without further ado, we got Sonya
Richards Ross on the podcast and she is being naked
(05:42):
and she also has a very special announcement. I hope
you enjoyed this edition of Naked with Carrie.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Champion, Champion and Carri Chapion and care with CHATPI.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, first off, thank you so much for joining me
on all my platforms. You are always so good to
me and I appreciate it. I want to say something
to you. I like to tell these personal stories, and
I've done this to you before. When I first met you,
when I was on first take, I remember you coming
on and I didn't know I had so much going
on in that time in my life. It was just
a lot coming very fast, and I didn't know if,
(06:13):
in fact we had had a bond or reconnected and
I had really put you in a category.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I was like, Okay, I can't really so I don't
know how nice of you. Don't do she nice?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And then you had turned around and you were so
generous and kind to me, And it just reminds me
that time tells the story for everybody, you know what
I mean. Still, over the years, we've gotten to know
each other, and I've watched you go from this you know,
this Olympic track star to obviously seeing you as a mother,
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seeing you as a wife, seeing you as an analyst,
seeing you host your own show, your entertainment show.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And that is scary in itself.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, And what I have seen each and every time,
because I know it's hard to do this. You just
show up your full self, whether you whether you feel comfortable,
whether you know that you're doing it, but I need
to show up and give your best.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Where does that fearlessness come from?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well, first of all, I just want to thank you
for always inviting me to all your platforms.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It means a lot to me.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I think I've also told you this before, but
it's I just I respect what you do so much
and I admire you so much, and you so needed
in every space that you're in. So I'll always show
up for you and be there, be there alongside you.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, it's so funny that you talk about fearlessness
because my mom always says because my mom is actually
the complete opposite of me. You know, she has a
lot of fear. Yeah, she's the one who was afraid
to try. And you know, I think that God blessed
me with her because through me and through my fearlessness,
she's also found her strength and her courage. And I
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would say that, you know, between my mom and my dad,
my mom also helped me see it in myself, you know,
like she my dad was always the parent who always
saw the vision.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It would always push me and always encourage me.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But my mom was also my soft place to land,
So I needed both of them to be able to
embrace this fearlessness that I think was naturally inside of me.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I'm that person who always says yes to life.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So it's like, whatever it's come my way, I'm like,
I'm gonna go for it, and even if it doesn't work,
I'm going to fail forward and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And I think that it's been my superpower for the
majority of my career.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
You said your mom isn't fearless.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
That's so interesting because normally we take after the people
who raise us. Your dad, however, you and to me,
it's not. It's not unusual for a man to be fearless.
Where are your parents from, because I know they were
both athletes. Where are they from originally?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, so both my parents are from Jamaica. We were
and I was born and raised there as well. I
didn't migrate to the States so I was twelve and
so both my parents were athletes.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
My dad was a great soccer player.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You know, I think if you were born a different
time and there was different infrastructure when he was competing,
he would have gone on to be one of the
best in the world. All of his you know, colleagues
say that about him, and I actually saw film with him.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
He was really great.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
My mom ran well, but she didn't go on you know,
she ran in high school and then kind of transcered
out of sports. But they both were very athletic, and
like I said, saw my dad especially saw that talent
in me and that drive as young as night, you know,
and really nurtured it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Being Jamaican, what do you think your quality as a
person as a as an African American woman here in
the States.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
What's different?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Because I believe Caribbean culture is different and you bring
that to the States. Yeah, what's one of the big
things that you've noticed your friends that are born in
race here and saying, girl, we don't do that, or
y'all do that, and yeah, y'all got that. Or your
values are different morally or family's key, whatever it is.
What have you noticed the difference? I'm really curious.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, I would say there are a couple of things.
I would say that there is this.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I think it's true for anyone who was born in
a country where it's predominantly the same race. Right, So
Jamaican is predominantly black. So the Prime Minister was black,
the teachers were black, the doctors are black, the coaches where.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Everybody is black.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And so I think that without even you know, someone
having to tell you or say anything to you, it
instills confidence in you that you can do and become anything,
you know. And I think that that's one of the
things that I brought to the States was that I
always saw myself as someone who could be great, Like
there was no if answer but about it, like it
was just going to happen. It was about just me
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doing the work. And so I would say that that's
you know, a part of growing up in a culture
where you see yourself reflected in every space.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So I would say.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That I also do think that I obviously I say this,
you know, there are obviously American families that are as
close as we are as a Jamaican family. But I
do think that there is a multi generational bond that
you know, like where it's like your parents remain a
huge part of your life for a long time, you know,
Like I think like in Chinese cultures and other cultures
where you know, like you nurture that relationship and they
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you know, they're always.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
They always hold that really high place in your life.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It's not like I think American cuture where's I think
it's eighteen, you move out and you move on and
find your own life.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
To me, that's not as traditional in Jamaica. It's like, hey,
you know, we're a unit for forever, and you know,
to find that balance.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Because obviously my husband's American, so you'd be like igur
with you need to be on your own, so you
know what I mean. And and but I think he
also sees it as you know, there are definitely benefits
to it as well. So I would say probably those
two things, Carrie, have been the two most things that
I've made the most impact on my life. Is one,
seeing other black people being excellent all the time and
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kind of that you know family bond that is just
never broken.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I was once told the story and first of all,
you're the familial aspect of you is so beautiful. I
think oftentimes I gravitate towards people who have who have that.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
That more in them.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I am very much head down, do my job, figure
it out. I was always a social loner and I
and I and I and I thrive as you know,
being raised I have brothers and sisters, but being raised
as only child, I think I thrive, you know, just
in my solowness, which doesn't always work in my benefit
because people be like she stuck up, and I'm like, no, I.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Being by myself, I'm not. I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So, but I envy you, and I am attracted towards
that because I too want to let that part of
my my myself show. I think you, as a black woman,
are the antithesis of what they they they they believe
we are right because there's perception, and it's always there.
It's always their bias when they meet us. But if
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you look at the jobs that you've had, and I'm
and and I'm in and I'll get to track and field,
but post your career, still working in track and field,
still being a host, how have you been perceived on
an offset?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That is a good question and a very deep one
that I've never been asked.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And I don't know, I don't know how much thought
I really put into that.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
How about what's the narrative versus who you are?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah? You know?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So, I think that I have been fortunate to mostly
be in spaces where I have really been invited and
honored and cherished, right, people want me to be there,
and so, you know, there is this feeling of like
people see me as a champion. They see me as
someone who's in a work hard who is a good teammate.
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And I think for the most part, my experiences have
been really good in my work environments.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I think that I guess they're you know there.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think what I've had to do at times, and
I think that you would also, you know, appreciate and
understand this too, is that I've had to have people
understand that it takes a little bit more for me
as a black woman to show up in these spaces
than it does for the traditional you know man or
whoever else is there. I've had to demand certain things
when it comes to hair and makeup and you know,
things that make me feel comfortable, that make me happy,
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and you know, I remember there was one point where
I was I was going to be doing the host
and stuff, and I had my hooks in and my
producer was like, can you the who why you gotta
wear those hoops like they're distracting from the mic? I said,
what they're about, black girl magic, and I'm not taking
them off like it's a part of who I am.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Like it, and you know, he quickly was like, oh,
no problem, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And so I think that I've I have this confidence
to speak up for myself because of you know, my
sporting exploits and you know, all of those other things.
But I would say, for the most part, Carrie, I
feel like I've shown up and been perceived as really
who I am, largely because I feel like I'm very authentic.
What you see is what you get. My social media
reflects who I am. So it's a really good question.
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I want to be more thoughtful about it, Carrie. But
for the most part, I feel like I have been
perceived as who I am.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Who I am.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Hey, everybody got to take a quick break, pay some bills.
Thirty thirty second fast Forward if you need it, or
fifteen whatever whatever app you're listening.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
To it on.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
We got to pay these bills back in the moment
with Sonya Richards Ross.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
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a champion and carry champion and carry chat be out
a champion and carry chappion and carry chat.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Me great it is a sport. And then naked work.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Carry champion, and Carrie Chappion is to be a champion.
A champion and Carrie Chapion, they girly play a champion
and carried Chapion and carried chap.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Naked work.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Hey, everybody, thank you for being patient and also supporting.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
We have more from sr R.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Hope you enjoy The thing is and there's been this
conversation around Angel reclately and and how she is perceived.
And you are a female athlete, you are a black athlete,
And if I'm being honest with you, which is why
I try to come here and be very naked, I do.
I do take not necessarily issue, but I do wish
there was more polish around her etiquette and what that
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means for me simply as someone who covers her and
wants to present her because I know who I see
me as you can see yourself in her and qualities
and meaning like the black the young black woman trying
to figure it out in a space where she's rare.
It's easy for them to cast dispersions in label women
they are not familiar with R. But I do know
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that oftentimes when I feel like, oh gosh, okay, I
think you, I think I think I think you taunted
a beat too long. I do know that when I
feel that, I know that people feel that way about
me who don't understand me, meaning when I bring my
full self to work, they're like no, or.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Whatever it may be. So I try to be very.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Gentle when offering analysis or critique on her, on the
Shakri Richardsons of the world, because there is something that
is polarizing and I and I know I have been
judged as well in that same space. What are your
thoughts on a young black athlete such as a Shakari
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Rigison or an Angel Reese trying to figure it out?
Because when you become an overnight star, it's crazy, it's hard.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So I love this conversation, and you know, I think
it's it's very important because I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I feel like, especially you and I who kind of
come from that.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Old school wing athletes and black women showing up, there
is something that comes up in us where we're.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Like, oh, like they're a little bit too brash or
too right.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
They're not going to.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yes, yes exactly, they're not going to understand you.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But I have to tell you, I love and respect
and appreciate them so much. For being brave enough and
having the courage to show up authentically as themselves in
every space. And I think it is a challenge for
all of us to say, what is what is it
in us that makes us feel like eh, when they're
just being themselves, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And Carrie, I grew up. I'm from the era of
you know, we.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Just want to make t Usa proud and like, you know,
like when you're in the back of your play, you're like,
I'm about to.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Give you buck, like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And so I certainly think it challenges our sensibilities when
we see that. But I truly, truly, truly admire and
respect because the truth is you said at Carrie, they
are They're gonna keep evolving, and the woman that they
are today they won't be in five years, they won't
be in ten years, just like I have evolved so much, right,
But they should be given the space and the freedom
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to evolve because as they mature, you know, the way
that they operate, the way that they think it's.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Going to change, They're gonna mature.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But I gotta say I really admire and have a
lot of like you said, a compassion for the Angel
Reesis and the Shaki Richardson's because they have.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
To carry this heavy load while also competing, Like you know,
like I can't imagine like having to deal with so
much chatter around me when I'm trying to be my
best self in sports. Like it's so hard to juggle
the mental weight of it all with that plus the competition.
And I'm just like, man, like, thank God, these girls
keep showing up the way that they do, and you know,
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I just that all of us can just give them
the space to be who they are.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Although I will tell you she'll carry Richardson to me,
maybe not in your world, but to me in front
of the camera life. And this is what I said
about like especially everyone was kind of hot about Ammanu
OCTO's take, and I.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Said this, I said, life will humble you. Why do
we need to do it? I will humble you.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Exactly. That's sick.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
That is It's like I don't need to come on
TV and say what you what what you did do
wrong or what you did do like what you did
do wrong and how you need to be better, because
life is going to show you that. I I Eh,
carry Richardson in my opinion, I'm not in your world.
But in my opinion, after she went through all she
went through and she was still knuck if you buck
yep something someone some circumstance allowed her to realize, all right,
(19:53):
I'm gonna handle this differently.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I'm gonna let my work speak for itself as opposed
to my words.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
And so I I think that is when I said, okay,
I respect it because you figured it out. And she
figured that out quick. I tell you, she figured that
out at lightning speed. And so life humbled her because they.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Came on her, they came to her heart. She we
rolls her like this and they never saw where's mad
at her?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And I was like, yo, so I feel like that
will happen with angel I come from the same school
that you come from. However, however, srr, let's talk about this, sonya.
When we get comfortable and we know are worth, there's
only so much pleasing we can do in these spaces.
Because you said your black girl magic is your ear rings.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I still need to.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Show up like me and if that makes you uncomfortable,
it prevents me from doing the best that I can do.
If I'm not myself, when do you how do you
what is the conversation that we need to have so
that they understand that we are here to stay and
this is who we are. Because I don't know why
we have to have this conversation around black women and
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their etiquette on camera as athletes over and over again.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Why do we have to be labeled over and over again?
How do we change that?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, it's a really good question, and I think, you know,
if one of us had the answer that we change
the world right like now, it's like, what is it?
And I think, but I do think it's playing out
right in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think it is these unapologetic young women who are
just doing it, you know, without meeting permission and without
necessarily addressing the conversations. You know, It's like you said
about Shakari Richardson, It's like rose to fame overnight. I
mean the kind of fame that you know typically doesn't
happen in our sport. And then you know, she was
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up there fighting every battle, and then she realized, I
gotta stop fighting. I'm using all the energy that I
need for the track fighting everybody on social media. And
then she did let her feet do the talking. And
now she's able to even more so be all of
who she is. So I don't know if it's so
much a conversation as it is just continuing to follow
the lead of these young people and young women who
(22:12):
are just doing it, you know, because the more we
see it is, the less it feels like something new
and something rare, and it just is just like everyone else,
you know, and people get to be themselves authentically, and
it also impacts their performance.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like look, I mean, look at where women's basketball is because.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Of what you know, I mean huge.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
We needed, we needed storylines, and we need villains and
and we need and we need angels and we need
Let me tell you something. I I'm not calling anybody anything.
Karry Rigison, like you said, provided a storyline, and I
hate that it had she had to learn she she
did this, But I hope she understands her value and
what she brought to the sport, right. Yeah, and you
started it, I mean in the Allison Felixes started it.
(22:54):
But these they're like, this is my personality. You gotta
take it.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I wonder.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I wonder because you have kids, until I wonder, how
would you teach your your daughter to show up?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Do you have a daughter, you do, right, I have.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I have two sons, two boys. Okay, Gods, I thought
you had.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I don't. You just said a three month old and
that was little boy. Okay. If you had a daughter,
how would you teach her to show up?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah? I prayed for a little girl, but God so born.
But I love my boys are the best.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
But if I were, if I were a girl mom,
I would one hundred percent want my daughter to show
up fully, authentically as herself. And I think that that
begins by making her feel like who she is matters.
That's one of the things my dad used to tell
me every day. You are beautiful, you are smart, you
are I mean, yeah, the way he poured into my
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sister and I, there was no way that we weren't
going to step out into the world and have first
of all, great husbands, which we do, and really show
up fully and do the things that we were created
to do because of his love and support. And so
you know, I provide that same atmosphere for my daughter
by making her feel like she's enough and she doesn't
have to go out into the world to seek validation
like she would be and I do with my sons. Listen, Lie,
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I'd be like, dang, I got it. I might want
to tell it back a little bit. I don't want
him to be too cocky. But every day you know
how handsome he is and how grady is and all
the things that he's going to be able to do
in this world, because you know, it starts at home.
And so yeah, I would do the same thing for
my daughter. Obviously, I would try to guide her. I
would try to get for every opportunity to experience all
the things that she wants to do. And then you know,
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I do I do, however, think and I you know, Carrie,
I obviously I do love what these girls are do
I do think that it does come with some balance.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Any balance. Balance is the key to life. Yeah, yeah,
balance is the key to life.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I do think that you have to figure out, like
how to show up authentically in a way that is
still honors your family and God and all the things
that matter to you as well. So you know, there
has to be balanced when it comes to those things.
But yeah, everything I could to make her be, you know,
herself authentically.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I love you.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I love this conversation.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
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Speaker 5 (25:30):
I know that you have some projects that you're working on,
but first of all, when is the time? But you
know what, there's this.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Does this offend you when people say because I remember
when I was in college, I had eight jobs like
you had eight jobs like you are Jamaican and I
did that. Does that offend you when people say that, okay,
good because I want to make sure okay, so your
work ethic it speaks for itself.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
It's in the DNA. Tell me about the latest project
that you're working on.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, Carrie, so I am so excited.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So I have worked on some really cool things in
the past, but this one is really special to me
for a lot of reasons. First of all, it's the
first time my husband and I are working on our
project together. That's nice and you know, we wanted to
do something that we felt like was a real reflection
of like where we are in our lives right now,
like the things that really matter to us. And so
that's family, that's fashion, that's creating lasting memories. That's if
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you follow me on social you know we love coordinating
the family. That that's my thing and been nine yes,
go on yes, And so you know, we launched this
company called Coordinates last year, and we launched it just
in time for Christmas with the idea that families loved
to coordinate around Christmas, and we felt like there wasn't
anything quiet on the market that was like super like
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you know, jazzy and kind of had that cool flair.
So we launched in November, sold out for our collection
in December. So you know, going into the new year,
we're like, what can we do that we fresh and different?
And I was like, we've never as a part of
Team USA gotten pajamas or lounge. Were as a part
of our gifty and so went to the USOC to
this idea and we are officially the Team USA Pajama
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and Lounge where licensee holders for this Olympics in Paris
for the next one and the one in La.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So I'm sorry, this is amazing.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
This is huge.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Okay, So they can pajamas, they get in all kinds
of good stuff. So what does that mean when you
present girl?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
This is huge?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I really think this is really special and so smart
of them to allow you to do that. So how
do you how do you go to them and say, hey,
I want to provide this, this this service, I want
this to be a part of the gifting and I
want to see if it works.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
So what do they say to you? How does that
process go?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
So?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Actually, you know, and one of the things that I
would always say to people, you know, as we're all
transitioning and pivoting through life, is that you know, if
you really think about it, you have more resources and
connections than you realize. So first I went to the
CEO of uy Say Track and Field, Max Sigel, who
I'm really friendly with, who has been a great, great,
great ambassador for me throughout my career and beyond that.
He it's like, okay, I'll connect you with the team
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USOC person who handles partnerships and so you know, you
put me in.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
A room, honey, and I will close the deal. Okay.
So I had a meeting with him.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
And you know, explain to him why I thought it
was important and the value of sleepwear and how it
could be such a great way for people back home
because obviously we get to get it to the entire
team USA, but ultimately it'll be available to fans. And
I think it's the new unique way for you to
engage with the team because you know you're watching at home,
you got your pjs on, and you know you're kind
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of like supporting the team, you know, and you're wearing
merchandise that they actually are wearing as well.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
So genius, it's genius.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I am so excited for you, and Honey, all I
know is I'm buying all of them and you can
send me some if you want to too. But I'm
still supporting, so I appreciate you, and I know it's
gonna look good, like I'm not even concerned. And long
and fitted for the tall people, for the for the
people who yeh you got you got all the things,
you cover all the areas and aspects.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes we have, yeah everything. We're gonna have the onesies,
the button downs, and our collections are super dope. We
have a blacked out collection too. We have the red, white,
and blue. We did it all, so it's gonna be
super dope.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I'm really really proud of you. The transition is real,
the business is real. I love that the ingenuity. Honestly,
there are people who don't know how to extend or
take it to a next level and transition, and I
love that you're doing that. I think that the next
thing that we are working on after this is this
a book, how to to do it all?
Speaker 5 (29:27):
How to to do it all? We have that book
for me. The deal done. That book.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
An idea, you know I'm making it right. I will
take another job. Okay, So do not play an idea
in my spirit because my husband gonna be like, what we're.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Doing now, what we're doing now, I'm right there with you.
I'm right there with you.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Another idea, the creative ingenuity. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
It inspires me because I love to be around creatives
and people who know something that's genuinely a part of
their line, and you coordinates.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
It sounds truly who you are, so that makes sense
to me.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So that's the passion that you you people want to
be excited about something you're excited about, so that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, awesome, Thank I.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Appreciate you for coming on the podcast, young lady. And
is there anything else that you wanted to add that
you're doing because you're covering the Olympics, right, you're going
over to parents.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yeah, that'll be nice, that'll be nice.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Excited yeah, oh man, Like you know, there's certain places
that I feel the Olympics are already special, but then
you take it to a certain place, then it makes
it like uberpcial and I feel like curious is yeah,
one of those places that it's just going to be
a beautiful backdrop for what I expect to be one
of Team usas, especially in tracker field best Olympics.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Like the stars that are coming up.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You know, America is going to have a lot to
look forward to and be really proud of, you know
because from the sprints to the distance, the field events,
they're just loaded.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So it's going to be really funny. I tak it's
gonna be great. I'm excited. You know, I'm tuned in
all night. Track and Field is the tune in event.
That's that's that's the popcorn and get your popcorn ready event.
That's what we'll be ready the rest of the stuff,
I guess, but you know, I'm just saying, s RR,
thank you for coming on the podcast and being so
naked and honest and just sharing your wisdom and congratulations
on all things I'm here to support.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I appreciate that. And you don't have to buy anything.
I'll be sending you the collections.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Okay, let me send you my address. One of my
pajamas with the Olympics and stands.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
So not only will you see SRR as I call her,
covering the Olympics, but true to the Jamaican she says
she is, she has several jobs. Not only does she
have this new pajama line that's going to outfit all
of Team USA. She's returning to the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
I don't know if you guys know her from there.
(31:40):
There are some folks who don't even cover sports or
no sports, and y'all know her from Real Housewives of Atlanta.
She is returning, and I didn't get into the particulars
of that, but I figured she she likes it. To me,
some of those shows, I gotta be honest with you,
they really are a good marketing platform. They're a good
way to sell your products and further your brand. I
have friends now who are considering doing it. It's really
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gotten into that space where you're like the game has changed,
it doesn't have that same feel or branding to it.
Being on those shows really do help you in other
aspects of your life. And she has talked about being
the master of a pivot, so that is what she
is going to do. So you will also see her
there continue to support her pajama line. I think that's great,
and we have all the information in the bio of
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Naked with Carrie Champion. Thank you all for listening. I
appreciate you all, and we'll be back next week.
There is something that comes up in us where we're like.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Oh, like they're a little bit too brash or too right,
They're not going to understand you. But I have to
tell you, I love and respect and appreciate them so
much for being brave enough and having the courage to
show up authentically as themselves in every space. And I
think it is a challenge for all of us to say,
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what is what is it in us that makes us
feel like eh when they're just being themselves.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
And that was a black female athlete who's done it
at the heist of levels, giving her take on the
up and comers such as Angel Reese and she carry
richardson We get naked in this podcast y'all with Sonya
Richard Dross back in a moment.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's the greatest discourse and entertainment can make you win.
Carry champions and carry champion is to be a champion,
a champion, the CA champion and care with chapion.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
And care with.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
So we have had a week, couple of huge weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So I'm just gonna kind of encapsulate what's been going
on in the last few months U and especially at
the top or the end rather of March beginning of April.
The women's basketball collegiate collegiate folks has been really special.
Everyone knows who Kitlyn Clark is, everyone knows who Angel
Reese is. These women have done something particularly special for
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the sport women's sports in general. If I'm being honest,
and I know that you all know the conversation and
the narrative around Caitlin versus Angel and what will happen
when Angel gets to the w NBA, and what will
happen when Reese Angel Reese gets to.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
The WA and what will happen when Kaitlyn Clark gets
to the w NBA.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But I wanted to have a conversation with someone who's
lived this life, who knows what it feels like to
be at the top of her sport, to be young,
to be a black woman more specifically, and how to
handle the overnight success and the perceived narrative around these
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young black female athletes she carries. It's not it's not
my accident that she carried. Richardson and Angel Reese have
been villainized but loved also at the same time, it's
not an accident that both of these women are polarizing
and their young black female athletes that are at the
top of their sport. It is not an accident that
black women in general, when they do rise to the top,
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if they don't fit a certain narrative that mainstream America
seems to embrace, there is the conversation around each of
them that they're difficult.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
And what I have been told.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
On both sides is well, you can't talk trash and
then lose and then say it's not fair.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
If you're an athlete, you talk trash, talk trash, But
when you lose, when you lose.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
In whatever capacity, you got to take that l and
you got to take the trash talk that comes with it.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
That is you usually how the game goes.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
However, I'd like to say in both instances with the
she Carri Richardson and with an Angel Reese, when they
won and they trash talked, America still had a problem
with it. It didn't sit right with some folks, myself included,
because I was just like, oh, I come from that
school of look, yeah, be your authentic self, but come
on now, let's just let's win with some grace and
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some elegance.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
And these young women are like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
No, I'm talking my ish and if you got a
problem with me talking ish, so what.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Now? For me? That was Jari.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
But I started to loosen up, and I'm like, you
can't tell them anything. Life will teach them, for better
or for worse, Life will humble them. There's no reason
for me to come in and say you shouldn't have
said this or that.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Life will teach you.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I Eh, Carrie Richardson, she rose overnight, she fell, she
rose again, and when she rose again, she just let
her feet do the talking. She just started to win.
She said nothing, she didn't brag about winning. She didn't
do Now She's like, I'm still that girl, and I
had to learn She's still there.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
And I believe the same is true or will be
true for Angel.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
But I wonder why we have to take as young
black women in this sport, why they have to take
so much heat, why people have to be so harsh
and cruel to them.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Bad moments don't define who we are.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
A single moment where you show up wrong, you say
something wrong, you talk bad about somebody, you appear arrogant,
that doesn't define you.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I hope that life shows.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Them that there's more out there and more ways to
see the world. And more ways to receive the world.
That is my hope for them. But I surely find
it not coincidental that they both have to be villainized
quote unquote humbled and then go on about their lives.
I wonder what that is? I asked Anya Richard's Ross
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her opinion. She is arguably one of the most decorated
track and field stars there is. She is an Olympic
gold medalist, a five time world champion. I mean she really,
she's done it all. She's now an analyst for track
and field. During the Olympics, you'll see her covering the
sport talking about Sha Carrie because she has been there.
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She is legendary, and I say to myself, what is
this about. She's very honest, she shares her opinion and
it's fair. How about that, guys? You know I like
when we're fair. So without further ado, we got Sonya
Richards Ross on the podcast and she is being naked
(05:42):
and she also has a very special announcement. I hope
you enjoyed this edition of Naked with Carrie.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
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Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, first off, thank you so much for joining me
on all my platforms. You are always so good to
me and I appreciate it. I want to say something
to you. I like to tell these personal stories, and
I've done this to you before. When I first met you,
when I was on first take, I remember you coming
on and I didn't know I had so much going
on in that time in my life. It was just
a lot coming very fast, and I didn't know if,
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in fact we had had a bond or reconnected and
I had really put you in a category.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
I was like, Okay, I can't really so I don't
know how nice of you. Don't do she nice?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
And then you had turned around and you were so
generous and kind to me, And it just reminds me
that time tells the story for everybody, you know what
I mean. Still, over the years, we've gotten to know
each other, and I've watched you go from this you know,
this Olympic track star to obviously seeing you as a mother,
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seeing you as a wife, seeing you as an analyst,
seeing you host your own show, your entertainment show.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And that is scary in itself.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Yeah, And what I have seen each and every time,
because I know it's hard to do this. You just
show up your full self, whether you whether you feel comfortable,
whether you know that you're doing it, but I need
to show up and give your best.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Where does that fearlessness come from?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Well, first of all, I just want to thank you
for always inviting me to all your platforms.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It means a lot to me.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I think I've also told you this before, but
it's I just I respect what you do so much
and I admire you so much, and you so needed
in every space that you're in. So I'll always show
up for you and be there, be there alongside you.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, it's so funny that you talk about fearlessness
because my mom always says because my mom is actually
the complete opposite of me. You know, she has a
lot of fear. Yeah, she's the one who was afraid
to try. And you know, I think that God blessed
me with her because through me and through my fearlessness,
she's also found her strength and her courage. And I
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would say that, you know, between my mom and my dad,
my mom also helped me see it in myself, you know,
like she my dad was always the parent who always
saw the vision.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It would always push me and always encourage me.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But my mom was also my soft place to land,
So I needed both of them to be able to
embrace this fearlessness that I think was naturally inside of me.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And I'm that person who always says yes to life.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So it's like, whatever it's come my way, I'm like,
I'm gonna go for it, and even if it doesn't work,
I'm going to fail forward and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And I think that it's been my superpower for the
majority of my career.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
You said your mom isn't fearless.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
That's so interesting because normally we take after the people
who raise us. Your dad, however, you and to me,
it's not. It's not unusual for a man to be fearless.
Where are your parents from, because I know they were
both athletes. Where are they from originally?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, so both my parents are from Jamaica. We were
and I was born and raised there as well. I
didn't migrate to the States so I was twelve and
so both my parents were athletes.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
My dad was a great soccer player.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
You know, I think if you were born a different
time and there was different infrastructure when he was competing,
he would have gone on to be one of the
best in the world. All of his you know, colleagues
say that about him, and I actually saw film with him.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
He was really great.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
My mom ran well, but she didn't go on you know,
she ran in high school and then kind of transcered
out of sports. But they both were very athletic, and
like I said, saw my dad especially saw that talent
in me and that drive as young as night, you know,
and really nurtured it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Being Jamaican, what do you think your quality as a
person as a as an African American woman here in
the States.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
What's different?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Because I believe Caribbean culture is different and you bring
that to the States. Yeah, what's one of the big
things that you've noticed your friends that are born in
race here and saying, girl, we don't do that, or
y'all do that, and yeah, y'all got that. Or your
values are different morally or family's key, whatever it is.
What have you noticed the difference? I'm really curious.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, I would say there are a couple of things.
I would say that there is this.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I think it's true for anyone who was born in
a country where it's predominantly the same race. Right, So
Jamaican is predominantly black. So the Prime Minister was black,
the teachers were black, the doctors are black, the coaches where.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Everybody is black.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And so I think that without even you know, someone
having to tell you or say anything to you, it
instills confidence in you that you can do and become anything,
you know. And I think that that's one of the
things that I brought to the States was that I
always saw myself as someone who could be great, Like
there was no if answer but about it, like it
was just going to happen. It was about just me
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doing the work. And so I would say that that's
you know, a part of growing up in a culture
where you see yourself reflected in every space.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
So I would say.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That I also do think that I obviously I say this,
you know, there are obviously American families that are as
close as we are as a Jamaican family. But I
do think that there is a multi generational bond that
you know, like where it's like your parents remain a
huge part of your life for a long time, you know,
Like I think like in Chinese cultures and other cultures
where you know, like you nurture that relationship and they
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you know, they're always.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
They always hold that really high place in your life.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It's not like I think American cuture where's I think
it's eighteen, you move out and you move on and
find your own life.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
To me, that's not as traditional in Jamaica. It's like, hey,
you know, we're a unit for forever, and you know,
to find that balance.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Because obviously my husband's American, so you'd be like igur
with you need to be on your own, so you
know what I mean. And and but I think he
also sees it as you know, there are definitely benefits
to it as well. So I would say probably those
two things, Carrie, have been the two most things that
I've made the most impact on my life. Is one,
seeing other black people being excellent all the time and
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kind of that you know family bond that is just
never broken.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I was once told the story and first of all,
you're the familial aspect of you is so beautiful. I
think oftentimes I gravitate towards people who have who have that.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
That more in them.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I am very much head down, do my job, figure
it out. I was always a social loner and I
and I and I and I thrive as you know,
being raised I have brothers and sisters, but being raised
as only child, I think I thrive, you know, just
in my solowness, which doesn't always work in my benefit
because people be like she stuck up, and I'm like, no, I.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Being by myself, I'm not. I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So, but I envy you, and I am attracted towards
that because I too want to let that part of
my my myself show. I think you, as a black woman,
are the antithesis of what they they they they believe
we are right because there's perception, and it's always there.
It's always their bias when they meet us. But if
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you look at the jobs that you've had, and I'm
and and I'm in and I'll get to track and field,
but post your career, still working in track and field,
still being a host, how have you been perceived on
an offset?
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That is a good question and a very deep one
that I've never been asked.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And I don't know, I don't know how much thought
I really put into that.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
How about what's the narrative versus who you are?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah? You know?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So, I think that I have been fortunate to mostly
be in spaces where I have really been invited and
honored and cherished, right, people want me to be there,
and so, you know, there is this feeling of like
people see me as a champion. They see me as
someone who's in a work hard who is a good teammate.
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And I think for the most part, my experiences have
been really good in my work environments.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I think that I guess they're you know there.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think what I've had to do at times, and
I think that you would also, you know, appreciate and
understand this too, is that I've had to have people
understand that it takes a little bit more for me
as a black woman to show up in these spaces
than it does for the traditional you know man or
whoever else is there. I've had to demand certain things
when it comes to hair and makeup and you know,
things that make me feel comfortable, that make me happy,
(13:54):
and you know, I remember there was one point where
I was I was going to be doing the host
and stuff, and I had my hooks in and my
producer was like, can you the who why you gotta
wear those hoops like they're distracting from the mic? I said,
what they're about, black girl magic, and I'm not taking
them off like it's a part of who I am.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Like it, and you know, he quickly was like, oh,
no problem, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And so I think that I've I have this confidence
to speak up for myself because of you know, my
sporting exploits and you know, all of those other things.
But I would say, for the most part, Carrie, I
feel like I've shown up and been perceived as really
who I am, largely because I feel like I'm very authentic.
What you see is what you get. My social media
reflects who I am. So it's a really good question.
(14:34):
I want to be more thoughtful about it, Carrie. But
for the most part, I feel like I have been
perceived as who I am.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Who I am.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Hey, everybody got to take a quick break, pay some bills.
Thirty thirty second fast Forward if you need it, or
fifteen whatever whatever app you're listening.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
To it on.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
We got to pay these bills back in the moment
with Sonya Richards Ross.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion,
a champion and carry champion and carry chat be out
a champion and carry chappion and carry chat.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Me great it is a sport. And then naked work.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Carry champion, and Carrie Chappion is to be a champion.
A champion and Carrie Chapion, they girly play a champion
and carried Chapion and carried chap.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Naked work.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Hey, everybody, thank you for being patient and also supporting.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
We have more from sr R.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Hope you enjoy The thing is and there's been this
conversation around Angel reclately and and how she is perceived.
And you are a female athlete, you are a black athlete,
And if I'm being honest with you, which is why
I try to come here and be very naked, I do.
I do take not necessarily issue, but I do wish
there was more polish around her etiquette and what that
(15:43):
means for me simply as someone who covers her and
wants to present her because I know who I see
me as you can see yourself in her and qualities
and meaning like the black the young black woman trying
to figure it out in a space where she's rare.
It's easy for them to cast dispersions in label women
they are not familiar with R. But I do know
(16:06):
that oftentimes when I feel like, oh gosh, okay, I
think you, I think I think I think you taunted
a beat too long. I do know that when I
feel that, I know that people feel that way about
me who don't understand me, meaning when I bring my
full self to work, they're like no, or.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Whatever it may be. So I try to be very.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Gentle when offering analysis or critique on her, on the
Shakri Richardsons of the world, because there is something that
is polarizing and I and I know I have been
judged as well in that same space. What are your
thoughts on a young black athlete such as a Shakari
(16:54):
Rigison or an Angel Reese trying to figure it out?
Because when you become an overnight star, it's crazy, it's hard.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
So I love this conversation, and you know, I think
it's it's very important because I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I feel like, especially you and I who kind of
come from that.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Old school wing athletes and black women showing up, there
is something that comes up in us where we're.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Like, oh, like they're a little bit too brash or
too right.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
They're not going to.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yes, yes exactly, they're not going to understand you.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But I have to tell you, I love and respect
and appreciate them so much. For being brave enough and
having the courage to show up authentically as themselves in
every space. And I think it is a challenge for
all of us to say, what is what is it
in us that makes us feel like eh, when they're
just being themselves, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And Carrie, I grew up. I'm from the era of
you know, we.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Just want to make t Usa proud and like, you know,
like when you're in the back of your play, you're like,
I'm about to.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Give you buck, like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And so I certainly think it challenges our sensibilities when
we see that. But I truly, truly, truly admire and
respect because the truth is you said at Carrie, they
are They're gonna keep evolving, and the woman that they
are today they won't be in five years, they won't
be in ten years, just like I have evolved so much, right,
But they should be given the space and the freedom
(18:23):
to evolve because as they mature, you know, the way
that they operate, the way that they think it's.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Going to change, They're gonna mature.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But I gotta say I really admire and have a
lot of like you said, a compassion for the Angel
Reesis and the Shaki Richardson's because they have.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
To carry this heavy load while also competing, Like you know,
like I can't imagine like having to deal with so
much chatter around me when I'm trying to be my
best self in sports. Like it's so hard to juggle
the mental weight of it all with that plus the competition.
And I'm just like, man, like, thank God, these girls
keep showing up the way that they do, and you know,
(19:00):
I just that all of us can just give them
the space to be who they are.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Although I will tell you she'll carry Richardson to me,
maybe not in your world, but to me in front
of the camera life. And this is what I said
about like especially everyone was kind of hot about Ammanu
OCTO's take, and I.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
Said this, I said, life will humble you. Why do
we need to do it? I will humble you.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Exactly. That's sick.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
That is It's like I don't need to come on
TV and say what you what what you did do
wrong or what you did do like what you did
do wrong and how you need to be better, because
life is going to show you that. I I Eh,
carry Richardson in my opinion, I'm not in your world.
But in my opinion, after she went through all she
went through and she was still knuck if you buck
yep something someone some circumstance allowed her to realize, all right,
(19:53):
I'm gonna handle this differently.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I'm gonna let my work speak for itself as opposed
to my words.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
And so I I think that is when I said, okay,
I respect it because you figured it out. And she
figured that out quick. I tell you, she figured that
out at lightning speed. And so life humbled her because they.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Came on her, they came to her heart. She we
rolls her like this and they never saw where's mad
at her?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And I was like, yo, so I feel like that
will happen with angel I come from the same school
that you come from. However, however, srr, let's talk about this, sonya.
When we get comfortable and we know are worth, there's
only so much pleasing we can do in these spaces.
Because you said your black girl magic is your ear rings.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I still need to.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Show up like me and if that makes you uncomfortable,
it prevents me from doing the best that I can do.
If I'm not myself, when do you how do you
what is the conversation that we need to have so
that they understand that we are here to stay and
this is who we are. Because I don't know why
we have to have this conversation around black women and
(21:02):
their etiquette on camera as athletes over and over again.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Why do we have to be labeled over and over again?
How do we change that?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, it's a really good question, and I think, you know,
if one of us had the answer that we change
the world right like now, it's like, what is it?
And I think, but I do think it's playing out
right in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think it is these unapologetic young women who are
just doing it, you know, without meeting permission and without
necessarily addressing the conversations. You know, It's like you said
about Shakari Richardson, It's like rose to fame overnight. I
mean the kind of fame that you know typically doesn't
happen in our sport. And then you know, she was
(21:51):
up there fighting every battle, and then she realized, I
gotta stop fighting. I'm using all the energy that I
need for the track fighting everybody on social media. And
then she did let her feet do the talking. And
now she's able to even more so be all of
who she is. So I don't know if it's so
much a conversation as it is just continuing to follow
the lead of these young people and young women who
(22:12):
are just doing it, you know, because the more we
see it is, the less it feels like something new
and something rare, and it just is just like everyone else,
you know, and people get to be themselves authentically, and
it also impacts their performance.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Like look, I mean, look at where women's basketball is because.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Of what you know, I mean huge.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
We needed, we needed storylines, and we need villains and
and we need and we need angels and we need
Let me tell you something. I I'm not calling anybody anything.
Karry Rigison, like you said, provided a storyline, and I
hate that it had she had to learn she she
did this, But I hope she understands her value and
what she brought to the sport, right. Yeah, and you
started it, I mean in the Allison Felixes started it.
(22:54):
But these they're like, this is my personality. You gotta
take it.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I wonder.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I wonder because you have kids, until I wonder, how
would you teach your your daughter to show up?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Do you have a daughter, you do, right, I have.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I have two sons, two boys. Okay, Gods, I thought
you had.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I don't. You just said a three month old and
that was little boy. Okay. If you had a daughter,
how would you teach her to show up?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah? I prayed for a little girl, but God so born.
But I love my boys are the best.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
But if I were, if I were a girl mom,
I would one hundred percent want my daughter to show
up fully, authentically as herself. And I think that that
begins by making her feel like who she is matters.
That's one of the things my dad used to tell
me every day. You are beautiful, you are smart, you
are I mean, yeah, the way he poured into my
(23:47):
sister and I, there was no way that we weren't
going to step out into the world and have first
of all, great husbands, which we do, and really show
up fully and do the things that we were created
to do because of his love and support. And so
you know, I provide that same atmosphere for my daughter
by making her feel like she's enough and she doesn't
have to go out into the world to seek validation
like she would be and I do with my sons. Listen, Lie,
(24:10):
I'd be like, dang, I got it. I might want
to tell it back a little bit. I don't want
him to be too cocky. But every day you know
how handsome he is and how grady is and all
the things that he's going to be able to do
in this world, because you know, it starts at home.
And so yeah, I would do the same thing for
my daughter. Obviously, I would try to guide her. I
would try to get for every opportunity to experience all
the things that she wants to do. And then you know,
(24:32):
I do I do, however, think and I you know, Carrie,
I obviously I do love what these girls are do
I do think that it does come with some balance.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Any balance. Balance is the key to life. Yeah, yeah,
balance is the key to life.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I do think that you have to figure out, like
how to show up authentically in a way that is
still honors your family and God and all the things
that matter to you as well. So you know, there
has to be balanced when it comes to those things.
But yeah, everything I could to make her be, you know,
herself authentically.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I love you.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I love this conversation.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
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champion and carry Champion and carry chat be out a
champion and carry chapion and Carrie Chappy Rafraid is the
sports and entertainment cant nacket work every champion and carry
champions to be a champion, a champion and carry Champion,
(25:23):
the girl pity shout a Champion and carry Champion and
Carrie Chappy Praid entertainment getting necket ward.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I know that you have some projects that you're working on,
but first of all, when is the time? But you
know what, there's this.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Does this offend you when people say because I remember
when I was in college, I had eight jobs like
you had eight jobs like you are Jamaican and I
did that. Does that offend you when people say that, okay,
good because I want to make sure okay, so your
work ethic it speaks for itself.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
It's in the DNA. Tell me about the latest project
that you're working on.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, Carrie, so I am so excited.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So I have worked on some really cool things in
the past, but this one is really special to me
for a lot of reasons. First of all, it's the
first time my husband and I are working on our
project together. That's nice and you know, we wanted to
do something that we felt like was a real reflection
of like where we are in our lives right now,
like the things that really matter to us. And so
that's family, that's fashion, that's creating lasting memories. That's if
(26:20):
you follow me on social you know we love coordinating
the family. That that's my thing and been nine yes,
go on yes, And so you know, we launched this
company called Coordinates last year, and we launched it just
in time for Christmas with the idea that families loved
to coordinate around Christmas, and we felt like there wasn't
anything quiet on the market that was like super like
(26:40):
you know, jazzy and kind of had that cool flair.
So we launched in November, sold out for our collection
in December. So you know, going into the new year,
we're like, what can we do that we fresh and different?
And I was like, we've never as a part of
Team USA gotten pajamas or lounge. Were as a part
of our gifty and so went to the USOC to
this idea and we are officially the Team USA Pajama
(27:05):
and Lounge where licensee holders for this Olympics in Paris
for the next one and the one in La.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
So I'm sorry, this is amazing.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
This is huge.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Okay, So they can pajamas, they get in all kinds
of good stuff. So what does that mean when you
present girl?
Speaker 5 (27:21):
This is huge?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I really think this is really special and so smart
of them to allow you to do that. So how
do you how do you go to them and say, hey,
I want to provide this, this this service, I want
this to be a part of the gifting and I
want to see if it works.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
So what do they say to you? How does that
process go?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
So?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Actually, you know, and one of the things that I
would always say to people, you know, as we're all
transitioning and pivoting through life, is that you know, if
you really think about it, you have more resources and
connections than you realize. So first I went to the
CEO of uy Say Track and Field, Max Sigel, who
I'm really friendly with, who has been a great, great,
great ambassador for me throughout my career and beyond that.
He it's like, okay, I'll connect you with the team
(28:02):
USOC person who handles partnerships and so you know, you
put me in.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
A room, honey, and I will close the deal. Okay.
So I had a meeting with him.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
And you know, explain to him why I thought it
was important and the value of sleepwear and how it
could be such a great way for people back home
because obviously we get to get it to the entire
team USA, but ultimately it'll be available to fans. And
I think it's the new unique way for you to
engage with the team because you know you're watching at home,
you got your pjs on, and you know you're kind
(28:32):
of like supporting the team, you know, and you're wearing
merchandise that they actually are wearing as well.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
So genius, it's genius.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I am so excited for you, and Honey, all I
know is I'm buying all of them and you can
send me some if you want to too. But I'm
still supporting, so I appreciate you, and I know it's
gonna look good, like I'm not even concerned. And long
and fitted for the tall people, for the for the
people who yeh you got you got all the things,
you cover all the areas and aspects.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes we have, yeah everything. We're gonna have the onesies,
the button downs, and our collections are super dope. We
have a blacked out collection too. We have the red, white,
and blue. We did it all, so it's gonna be
super dope.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I'm really really proud of you. The transition is real,
the business is real. I love that the ingenuity. Honestly,
there are people who don't know how to extend or
take it to a next level and transition, and I
love that you're doing that. I think that the next
thing that we are working on after this is this
a book, how to to do it all?
Speaker 5 (29:27):
How to to do it all? We have that book
for me. The deal done. That book.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
An idea, you know I'm making it right. I will
take another job. Okay, So do not play an idea
in my spirit because my husband gonna be like, what we're.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Doing now, what we're doing now, I'm right there with you.
I'm right there with you.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Another idea, the creative ingenuity. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
It inspires me because I love to be around creatives
and people who know something that's genuinely a part of
their line, and you coordinates.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
It sounds truly who you are, so that makes sense
to me.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So that's the passion that you you people want to
be excited about something you're excited about, so that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, awesome, Thank I.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Appreciate you for coming on the podcast, young lady. And
is there anything else that you wanted to add that
you're doing because you're covering the Olympics, right, you're going
over to parents.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yeah, that'll be nice, that'll be nice.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Excited yeah, oh man, Like you know, there's certain places
that I feel the Olympics are already special, but then
you take it to a certain place, then it makes
it like uberpcial and I feel like curious is yeah,
one of those places that it's just going to be
a beautiful backdrop for what I expect to be one
of Team usas, especially in tracker field best Olympics.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Like the stars that are coming up.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You know, America is going to have a lot to
look forward to and be really proud of, you know
because from the sprints to the distance, the field events,
they're just loaded.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So it's going to be really funny. I tak it's
gonna be great. I'm excited. You know, I'm tuned in
all night. Track and Field is the tune in event.
That's that's that's the popcorn and get your popcorn ready event.
That's what we'll be ready the rest of the stuff,
I guess, but you know, I'm just saying, s RR,
thank you for coming on the podcast and being so
naked and honest and just sharing your wisdom and congratulations
on all things I'm here to support.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I appreciate that. And you don't have to buy anything.
I'll be sending you the collections.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Okay, let me send you my address. One of my
pajamas with the Olympics and stands.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
So not only will you see SRR as I call her,
covering the Olympics, but true to the Jamaican she says
she is, she has several jobs. Not only does she
have this new pajama line that's going to outfit all
of Team USA. She's returning to the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
I don't know if you guys know her from there.
(31:40):
There are some folks who don't even cover sports or
no sports, and y'all know her from Real Housewives of Atlanta.
She is returning, and I didn't get into the particulars
of that, but I figured she she likes it. To me,
some of those shows, I gotta be honest with you,
they really are a good marketing platform. They're a good
way to sell your products and further your brand. I
have friends now who are considering doing it. It's really
(32:02):
gotten into that space where you're like the game has changed,
it doesn't have that same feel or branding to it.
Being on those shows really do help you in other
aspects of your life. And she has talked about being
the master of a pivot, so that is what she
is going to do. So you will also see her
there continue to support her pajama line. I think that's great,
and we have all the information in the bio of
(32:24):
Naked with Carrie Champion. Thank you all for listening. I
appreciate you all, and we'll be back next week.
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