April 25, 2022 • 50 mins
This week is the upcoming 2022 NFL draft, so of course, the topic for discussion is, "football." Joining us today is Brandon Marshall who gets Naked about his time in the league and in media as a journalist. After five years of not taking interviews, Marshall recently speaks with Colin Kaepernick on his show "I AM Athlete" about his hope to return back to the league. The debate is will it happen and if it's possible for an activist to exist in a league that merely tolerates players, not their opinions. The question...the possibility still lingers as we wait to see if Kaepernick will ever return back to the field to play the game he loves.
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I'll tell you right now, I'm in agreement for Carlin
Kaepernick coming in and just playing football. We don't need
to kneel no more. We passed that. He knows that.
He with that you interview him, he is going into
to play football. He like, yeah, is he going to
continue to stand up and for what he believes in
and fight for what he believes in? Absolutely? Absolutely, But
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he's going in as a football player. I asked him
on the show, how are you going to eliminate distractions? Right?
We're going to win the championship. That's what it's about.
He loves football, That's what it's Aboutnce Aounce NFL that
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I love, as you all know, to have people on
the podcast that I know well. First off, wait before
you even get into that. First of all, I've had
a hell of a week, have I not? Um. I've
been talking about my new show with Jamal Hill on
CNN Plus and how excited I was about it. It's
called Speak Easy and And for the last few weeks
after it launched, I had heard that there were problems
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would see ann streaming service because we were bought by Discovery,
and Discovery wanted to do it their way, but see
it end did it their way, and so Mommy and
Daddy were fighting in short and as a result, they
decided to end the streaming service a month after it launched.
Our show has not even premiered, which is disappointing and
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confusing and shocking and all the things. But I've I've
been a TV vet in this game for a very
long time. And before I get to my guess, I
do want to say this, um clearly we're protected, right,
that's people in front of the camera. You you get
guaranteed contracts, which means you get guaranteed money. And from
my understanding, they're looking to move us to a different
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platform within the big, huge company, and so that's great.
But what's not great is all the people who left
their jobs to come to see an N plus or
who relied on working at CNN plus. I don't know
how many people that is, but I know that there
are people who will experience hard times and this will
push people into some very tough corners, and so for that,
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I am sad, and I am wishing everyone, including my
staff that I have still already talked to nothing but
the best, and hoping that this moment is truly just
a small stumbling block and not a real setback. Because
I've worked with so many talented people there. I know
that hopefully CNN will absorb them, or other areas of
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now Discovery Warner Media will absorb the people that I
worked with in my staff and all the others that
I didn't get a chance to meet. There are a
lot of great people there, and I'm still friends with
a lot of on air folks. I talked to Rex
Chapman the other day. He's in a holding pattern as
a Scott Galloway, and a lot of the talent that
had shows on there that weren't quote unquote seeing an
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anchors are looking to be shifted elsewhere, which makes sense, right.
Mommy and Daddy were fighting. They didn't get along, and
so they decided to bring their kids back home from
the trip from Disneyland, so nobody can go to Disneyland. Meanwhile,
I gotta get to the podcast. That's my update. I'm
doing well. Jay is doing well. We haven't missed a beat,
So thank you for being kind and reaching out. Brandon
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Marshall on Naked Today, This is a good episode. Job
because I'm making it two partner. It was so good.
He normally people come on for thirty forty five minutes.
We talked for probably two hours because it was so
good because we were going back and forth. Brandon Marshall
is now known to a different generation of folks for
(04:37):
his new podcast, I Am Athlete. Now the clips have
gone viral. He's had great interviews. He's put himself and
very uncomfortable positions to talk about mental health and who
he is and his family and his friends, and I
respect him for that. He does more of the same here,
but we begin with the interview that he most recently
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had with Colin Kaepernick. If you guys have paid a tension,
you know that Colin Kaepernick is now synonymous with a
Muhammad Ali if you will of this generation. Uh, he
still wants to play football. Blacklisted by the league because
he was kneeling in America, felt as if he was
being divisive. That was when that Orange Man was president,
and Colin has since gone on a tour to change
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and educate the world about knowing your rights and and
the disproportionate killing of black men and how we can
live in a world in which were treated well. In America,
he essentially is saying, America, I demand, I demand that
you give us this promise that you have promised to
us right that you live up to the promise you
have given to us or said you would give to us.
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But how does that coincide with football? Colin Kaepernick and
his and his awareness has now made football and politics
live at its intersection, and it's uncomfortable to dissect. Today,
Brandon and I dissected in a very honest, real way.
Brandon has his own thoughts as an athlete. I have
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my own thoughts as a journalist, and we come together
and we share those thoughts and a spirited conversation. We
talked about mental health, talk about his family, We talked
about playing in the league. We talked about a contentious
relationship he had with Jay Cutler, who I can't stand,
but he says that's his guy. He says, Jay Cutler's
my guy. Ja Culer was his quarterback when he was
with the Chicago Bears, And if you google Jay Cutler,
(06:25):
I can't stand him because he speaks to me out
of turn and uneducated and it doesn't make any sense.
Y'all might like him, that's fine. Brandon talks about their
relationship and how it was really great at one point
and it wasn't so great at one point, but now
it's back to being great. This podcast is honest and
we're all promise you. I have never had another guest
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on this podcast that is as naked as Brandon Marshall.
Get your popcorn. He's not that white out, but get
your popcorn. You're going to enjoy and Chepi. I like to.
I like to. I'd like to say whenever I have
someone on the podcast that I am familiar with, or
that I was, that I have been fond of, or
(07:08):
that I'm friendly with, I keep it a buck because
there are stories that we I have questions about things
that I've I know that you and I have discussed.
So I I do want to say, off top, thank
you for doing this. I appreciate it very much. UM.
And secondly, you have been able to transition in such
a beautiful way. And I don't think that it's a
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surprise to anyone that television comes natural to you or
your podcast is a success. Uh. The first time I
met you, deep into your career team maybe I was like,
so you're doing a TV thing. I'm sure like. Talk
to me about the evolution of Brandon, which begins as
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this amazing football player, UM who now finds himself with
a platform using his voice for good. Right, Yeah, well one,
thank you for having me. And you know, I really
appreciate this platform, all the conversations that you guys have,
and I've been a fan of you, uh from day one,
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you know. I mean I think you were one of
the first that you know, grace the screen, you know,
and really implement fashion, you know, with the storytelling and
then also knowing your stuff, right, So like you know,
you're a pioneer in this space. But uh, I don't
think I've ever reached my food. I don't. I don't
think I reached my full potential, you know, because I
was struggling. You talked about being this amazing football player, uh,
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and then being able to transition into media. Well in
two thousand and eleven. In two thousand and eleven, I
was actually on the campus of McClay Hospital, number two
sechiatric hospital in the entire world. I was diagnosed with
borderline personality disorder. You know. I was there for three months,
you know, from Monday through Friday from eight am to
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five pm, and I was in dialectic be avior their
self assessment therapy, UH, coming behavior therapy. Uh, you know,
one on one with the great Dr Gunderson, and you know,
from there, you know, I realized that, like, you know,
I'm bigger than this, this football player. And we heard
these stories all the time and statistics, but like a
lot of us struggle because you know, the sport defined us.
(09:19):
You know. I say all that to say, you know,
in two thousand and fourteen, playing with the Chicago Bears.
Fast forward, Uh, you know I did. I spent three
months with Harvard and we worked on this case study,
and you know, Magic Johnson stood out to me, lived Strong,
Lance Armstrong stood out to me, and uh, you know,
I couldn't, you know, understand why Magic Johnson was flying
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around probably making a couple of million dollars, you know,
talking about basketball and ESPN when he was pushing the
half word for half a billion dollars um. But I
realized that I was his platform to continue to talk
about the things that he was passionate about in the
community and also his for profits. That's why I got
into television. That's why I started really taking can't serious.
(10:01):
And uh, a year later, got a TV agent. Didn't
know that, you know, there was a such thing as
a TV agent, And a couple months later he was like, hey,
what you do? You know showtime inside the NFL, and
I was like absolutely and became the first, you know,
active athlete full time broadcasters. So you know, I just
(10:21):
bet myself that's it and I think it works. And
you know, the first guy to actually worked with Pete
Radovitch and inside the NFL on showtime, he's always say
like Brandon's he would stop the show and he'd be like,
stop trying to be a broadcaster. Remember Charles Barkley, you
know he's like, that's that's that's where this industry is going.
(10:41):
So that's how it started for me. That's that's words
of wisdom. And it takes somebody to understand what to respect,
somebody to to take that advice, because that is a fact.
People once you authentic and they don't want to hear
you have to say that's not true and not naked
and not honest, because that's not why we tune in
to listen to Brandy Marshall. That's the fact, right. I
think about when you guys came on, I am athlete gave,
(11:05):
not even really gave. But what what all the smoke
did was opened the door. And I and I get jealous,
like can I keep it a bug? I get jealous
and not like real jealous, but I get jealous because
dudes will get on a wrap to other dudes about everything.
You know, if I had shock on my podcast, He's
not telling me how he cheated on Shanny, you know
what I mean, Like he's like, I'm offset, I'm on
set care. I don't want to hear that. You know,
(11:25):
maybe he might a holler on the low in the background,
you know what I mean, Like he's not telling me
and I'm not or another another athlete who is not
as evolved as you can't come on and talk to
me about mental health. Um, for whatever reasons, you men
treat women differently. I don't know why, So then you
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can you don't, but they do. You don't think, well,
I think. I think like you walk on eggshells because
you're trying to be compassionate. You're trying you're humanizing me,
and you're just like, yo, like you know, you want
to make sure that you do it the right way,
and I'm just like, YO, just ask me the question. Yeah,
well the question is when you have these I think
(12:10):
because I love your podcast and I'm a fan of
it and I love watching all you athletes talk because
it's just a real, unfiltered conversation. What I think sometimes
is missing, as in the case with Dez Bryant, it's
the ability to push back sometimes I'll let each other
right or some that ain't that ain't right. Like when
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des was talking about Colin Kaepernick and there was no
call to action, I'm like, wait, hold on, do you
know what a call to action is? Sir? And I'm
all like, and then y'all just sitting there like yeah, yeah,
and I'm like that should that you y'all probably understood
what he was trying to say. Me as a journalist
is like, no, no, no, no, sir. There was a
very specific called action, and this is what it was.
(12:51):
Are you saying? Colin was very clear that he wanted
to make sure he stood up for people who can
speak for themselves that would be murdered by cops black men,
more specifically, it's not fair. He then shut down, stop talking,
left people to decide what do you are you come
with the NFL or not. You're saying, oh, you're not
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going to the super Bowl, but you're still trying to
play in the league. The message got confusing because he
wasn't saying what it was or how he felt because
he was still figuring. So there was a call to action,
but the leadership was confusing because you found a reluctant
leader who started leading right. That was my pa. So so,
but here's why I didn't push back on Dads on
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that one. You are right, you know, because like, and
I'll be honest with you, you know, like you were
honest with me. He was like, Yo, let me be transparent.
I get jealous at times, blah blah blah blah blah,
So let me be honest with you, Like I'm learning
my position as a journalist right, Like it's hard, but
you know because like I've been in those shoes before
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where you know, where misrepresented and then media and the
media have agendas, right, so like creating a safe place
for athletes, but being able to sit down with antonio'
brien and be like, yo, like, bro, I need to
hold your accountable and I need to push back here,
but also like I get I understand the other side
of it as well. So it is tricky, and there
(14:18):
are there are times where where I have failed and
where we have failed. But it's a process, and I
think we'll get there. But you fail. You have not failed.
That's not the word. Well, well, well, because you know,
it's I look at the same thing like when I
play a game on Sunday, we go watch film on
Monday or that night, and I'm looking at like how
can I get better? So I do the same thing
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in media. And I think that's also where athletes go
wrong when they transition into media, as they think that
they're just gonna show up off their name. You know,
they don't understand that there's a skill, there's a talent,
you know, to this media thing. Right, Like I even
like how when you're talking to me, you look to
your right and you're asking me a question. People don't
know like you're communicating with me right now, like they
(15:00):
they don't see that right your hands actually all of
that body language. So um, anyways, back to the calling
Kaepernick deal. Um, and and that's briant right. Here's what
Dad's what I believe Das was saying, and why I
didn't push back in that particular segment. It's like calling.
Even I just had calling for the past week. He
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was down here training with us, and we sat down
with him. I was going there, I was going there. Okay, cool,
so so so here's what. Here's what dads, here's here's
let's go back to dad's DA's calls out calling. And
the reason why I didn't push back is because, like
Colin didn't even he said, I just felt something. I
took a knee, said, and I stood up for this.
(15:44):
You know, two thousand and sixteen, when Cap took his
first knee, uh, you know, when you're talking about a
call to action, no one knew, you know, no one knew.
Think about how divided the NFL was. Think about how
you know divided we were when it came to like
every single Sunday, knowing that we had this, this huge
opportunity seventy thousand people live a couple of million to
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then knowing the biggest stars in our game, we're gonna
have three or four cameras in their face for three
or four minutes on the national anthem leading up to
the national anthem, right after the national anthem, the whole week.
What are you gonna do? Are you gonna take a knee?
Are you're gonna raise it? Which? What are you guys
gonna do? So when Cap took his first knee, there
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was no, like, hey, guys, like what the NBA did,
Lebron James, CP three, all those guys they were, they
were they were unified, right, How is that? How is
that different? Brandon? I gotta push back. All they decided
to do was where hoodies and get T shirts printed
and the like. But I adn't like that. I'll be
but you said it was the same thing, go ahead
and finish. Sorry. They didn't have a call to action
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per se. It was just it was an illustration of
we are we are unified as black men to talk
about the fact that they are killing us in a
disparate portunate rate and we don't like it. And because
we have a platform, this is a saying we don't
like it. And that's what it was. When he took
a knee. Tell me what you didn't like that? Right there?
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Is that they got on the call inten or however
they did it in when they were in the bubble
in Orlando, Florida at Wide World of Sports, they all
had a meeting and they all said, this is what
are we gonna do. That never happened in the NFL,
And I don't know if the only time it happened
was in the NFL when they did the video where
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they said what if it was me? You saw O
b J. You saw Todd Gurley, saw Sayclom Barkley finally
put pressure on the NFL together unified. So when Kat
took that first knee in twenty sixteen, he did that.
First of all, he was sitting on the bench and
then he got advice people start picking it up, and
then he said, I'm gonna take the knee. Right Even
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from that moment that when we we really start coming
together and start trying to have conversations together, was when
the players collision was put together, and even CAP's team
versus the players Coalition was was was was like divided.
You had Malcolm Jenkins, you had ankor On Bold and
trying to lead the charge and really galvanize the locker room,
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galvanized the NFL. So that's what I mean by that
as far as like there was no plan, because that's
what everybody was saying in two thousand and sixteen, two
thousand and seventeen was what is the plan, What are
we gonna do? What are we asking for? How do
we come together? Because there's power in numbers, right, So
I think that that that was that was the challenge.
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Hold back, don't hold back, don't hold back. I'm yeah,
I'm getting my thoughts together. I agree there was a
challenge there because I felt not necessarily as soon as
you felt it. But I felt a year or so later,
like Colin we with when he left the league? Are
we with the league? Are we not? Are we boycotting?
Are we not? We watched the Super Bowl? Do we not? However,
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the same guy in des Bryant who was criticizing the
call to action is the same guy that I remember saying,
we gotta feed our families, and so I'm not taking
an age. That's exactly what he said. The same guy.
He's talking about a man who is no longer playing,
and that's how it came across, whether he felt like
he was or not, who is no longer playing, who
has sacrificed the game that he loves, really did have
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a call to action. He took an l for everybody,
and he was black balled. And for des to be
so bold and be like, I'm not, we got families
to feed, he should have just tapped out. I prefer
you not to speak if you know nothing to say,
if you don't have the right. I rather you not
talk at all. I'm never talking on something I know
nothing about, or I'm not passionate about, or nothing that
I truly believe in. And when he came on your
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your podcast, my only concern was that he was very
adamant about something that I felt like he was not
fully briefed on. That bothered me. And then what even
bothered me further was that no, but he pushed back,
y'all understood if he was saying because you guys are
athletes and you don't speak the same language. And so
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then when I say, I do get jealous, and not
in a bad way, I don't really get jealous, like
I enjoy it. I need this content. I need all
of this kind. I'm using it for my TV show.
Y'all going, I am athlete and have it. I'm I'm
gonna borrow all this from my TV show and put
your own, and you have something to talk about. M
there needs to be pushedback because only men can hold
men accountable. Women can't hold men accountable unless we in
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a relationship and we in love and I'm I'm your
baby mama, or we married. Y'all, don't give up what
we gotta say unless you respect us, unless you respect us,
unless you respect us, And it's hard. And then you
have Colin Kaepernick on your podcast. Kudos to you not
doing interviews. Mind you, I have a whole as TV
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partner who is in a production with him, and he's like,
I ain't coming on your show. So kudos to you. Um,
and I'm not even met about that. I'm like, you're right,
all right, don't come on. I get it. You don't
want to talk to us. I'm get it. I by
the way, I respect all that because I know it
gets ticky. And I'm not gonna come here and fluff you.
I'm gonna push you, and I'm ana pressure you, but
I'm ana pressure you to the point where I'm gonna
allow you to say what you want to say. You
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have him on and he doesn't necessarily tell us anything
that's new. But do you ask him if he had
a call to action? Do you ask him if he
knew what he was doing? Yeah, so this is challenging,
right because let's go back to Dad's Briant. Here's what
I didn't like about the Dad's Briant, you know episode,
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right to your point when we're talking about human rights,
we're talking about police brutality. Like I don't like I
feel some type of way about calling back in because
the same thing to this, because we had no plan.
But at the end of the day, like we've all
experienced that where we come from in our neighborhood. So
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I feel like that's not the time to do that.
We supposed to me together, right, that's my thing. Okay,
now I'm pushing forward to cap the same thing. To me,
this is not about journalism, and it's not about it's
not about like trying to hold him accountable asking this question,
that question is it's about me supporting her brother? Why?
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Because his story is more power. It's it's already powerful,
it's already legendary. He's already saved lives. He like you said,
he took LS for a lot of us. Just he
deserves to be back in the NFL facts because, like
like he what he said on our show, my message,
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your message matcha matches up with my message from back in.
You have end racism in the end zone. You have
Black Lives Matter, and the end zone on the back
of your helmet. How the guy that started all of
this creating has environed me for all of us. Why
is he still paying the price? If he's saying you listen,
I want to play, I still can't play, which is
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why Brandon, without cutting you off, I was beefy with Dazz.
I'm like, yes, he's taking some else for you. Come
on the show. And if we do talk about Colin,
know what you're talking about. And I don't know if
that was duplicited because he wanted to get somebody to
give him a gig so that them, they whomever they
are that are hiring, or like, oh, he's with us,
because sometimes it'd be that I don't know what I'm
(23:24):
just suggesting. The reality is I wasn't down with all
of Colin's messages. Are we down with every one of
our leader's messages? No, we're not. We are not a
monolithic we do not think alike. But he did not
know what that meant, and that was disappointing on that platform. However,
with that being said, as you, I will say this,
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hold on, I will say this. There's a lot of
guys who agree to this day like that, feel that way,
and it's like to me, right right right, I agree
with you. I'm not saying what he said was wrong.
I just said it was uninformed. But I also know
that a lot of people agree with him. I still
think of it this way. Colin was not trying to
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be a leader. Someone asked him why he was sitting.
He gave his He gave his random message who he thought,
and then it became this news, and then he became
a leader, and then they pushed him here, and he
didn't know what was going on, and life was coming
so fast that I'm asking for people to have nuanced
and understanding. Now. When he knew he was a leader,
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when he knew he was a leader, when he knew
he was a leader, when he knew the world was
listening to him and people were comparing him to Muhammad Ali,
then what do you do with it? That's when I
was like, Colin, you could be better because now you
know you didn't fall into it. Now you know you
couldn't lead all those men because you didn't know where
he was going. You didn't know if he's gonna have
a job or not. And with that being said, you
(24:47):
get him to come on your your amazing podcast, and
he talks and just necessarily say anything new. But he
says I'm willing to be a backup. Life has changed.
I'm willing to be in the game. I'm still doing
this workout. And and by the way, I talked to
Colin briefly. I talked to him at his premier. I
still honor what he did because he's he lost what
he loved. And I couldn't imagine somebody taking my voice away.
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I couldn't imagine somebody taking my platform away. That would
break my heart. It would send me into depression, it
would make me reevaluate about what life is. And He's
handled this with grace and elegance. And I'm asking I'm
asking you, as an athlete who has this platform, to
provide nuance. M That's all I'm saying, right, No, but
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here's a challenge, though, and I gotta keep it. I
gotta keep challenge. So right, there's two things that we're
dealing with right now. We're dealing with the movement and
we're dealing with football. So Colin still, like this past
week and he was in Vegas, you know, with you know,
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the Know Your Rights tour and everything he's doing there,
like every single day, every single week, he's still pushing,
He's still fighting, right, he doesn't talk about it, nobody's
highlighting it, but he's still talking about it. So you
also got to understand that that, you know, there's a
lot of things in development in five it's been five
(26:14):
years since he's sat down with anybody. This dude has
things in development that he's been working on for a
very long time. And guess what, that's my brother and
I want to honor that and respect that because you know,
in a year from now, he can come out with
this amazing film, this amazing story that really covers all
of that. So with the traditional media, doesn't do they
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don't respect that. They try to like, oh my goodness,
like this is a great win for us. You know,
we got calling. He's the first time he's ever sat
down with anyone for five years. But what about that
partnership and what about what he has going on outside
of that? Right? For me? For me, the reason why
I approached it the way I did is because you
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got calling, and now you have this guy that's saying
I want to play football, and I want to support
that because I believe that he should be playing football.
To me, it was more so about that because I
think we have a lot of time to continue this
story and tell the story of everything else he was doing.
Right now, I want him back in the NFL because
I think the legend and the story of calling Kaepernick
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in his second wave of the civil rights movement, it
gets even bigger. Like just imagine him being back in
you know, you know this, Let's keep it like you said,
let's keep it a buck right, like you know, like
you know call and sitting down with us, you know,
for him to feel comfortable. Let's respect Let's respect that.
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You know. I not only do I respect it, I
love it, which is why I do love these athlete
lad platforms. And that's the overall consensus. I really respect
what you're doing in the Pivot podcast, you know, all
the smoke, yeah, like, and I respect all of it
because they do you need an area where they feel safe,
and they do need and they do need a space
where they can communicate the way they choose to communicate.
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And that has somebody like, maybe like that don't make sense, right,
I get well, well, I will say this, but I
will say this though, because you gotta you know, this
is where you come in that and it's like you know,
you know, now we're reconnected I would. You know, I
want you to hit me up, teach me how to
do my job better, right, because I I trained my
entire life to be a professional football player. I knew
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I was gonna make it to the NFL when I
was six years old, seven years of seven years of age.
This is what you do this. You knew your voice
was special to me. It wasn't about my voice, it
was about my legs and my hands. Right. So, you know,
I think that you know myself and Matt Barnes of
the world. You know, the guys is out there doing
at a high level. You know on YouTube digitally. We
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can lean on you guys more to teach us how
to do this because we want to be able to
hold our athletes accountable. But at the same time, you know,
we want to make sure that we're also planning to
the narrative. And that's there's the beauty. There's the nuance.
You don't want to give the narrative, the traditional mainstream
narrative where they get dismissed and they don't get in,
the stories don't get told right, all right, y'all, So
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uh don't go anywhere I know you're not because it's
good it's good as good as good as good. I'm silly,
I'm goofy. It's silly, Brandon Marshall. On the other side
of the Every champion and carry Chappion is to be
a champion, a champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappion.
A champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappion sports and
and the tame ake and make him work very Chappion
(29:36):
and carrie Chappion is to be a champion, a champion.
They carry Chappi, and they Chappi and they carry Chappion
and carry Chappi and make everybody. Welcome back to Naked
Brandon Marshall, just getting started. True story. The reason why
this is probably two parts is because his computer died.
He thought he'd only be on for so long, and
his computer died and he had to he had to
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fire that thing back up, eat a little bit of sushi,
and start the podcast all over. You're welcome because it's good,
Brandy Marshall. It is. There is an art to asking
a question that is so uncomfortable that this person wit
men off to put you no more, or this person
might crush out and you say, curious, I see it's
not so much on I'm not trying to alienate you.
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I am trying to hold you accountable, and I am
trying to ask you questions and I'm while and in
my own opinion, subjectively I could I have evolved. I
am no longer carring from first take right, so I
can see you evolved. But what I can't participate in
it's a bunch of black men sitting around not holding
each other accountable, because I think that's very important in
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our society. Black women wouldn't do it. I couldn't interview
a woman that was black and she was saying some
things that did not make sense. Any athlete period, any
journalist period. I could not interview you and be like,
because you're black, Imi letter Ride now aderstand really going?
I can't because sometimes, as we all know, your silence
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is agreement, and that's not what you were doing. You
guys weren't agreeing. But then the then this this video
goes viral and leave it to you know, one of
my peeps to say something to them, and they go
at her and and dad's are going back and forth
on social and I'm like, I don't want to be like,
that's not what I want I don't want to get
into it on social like I ain't trying to trend.
I'll go ahead and you'll handle it. If you ever
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come on my podcast, I'll talk to you about it.
With that being said, how important is the voice that
you have now with I am athlete, I'm important that podcasts. Yeah,
it's extremely important. I think you know it's uh, it's
a lot to it, right. That was something where I
agree with you. It's like, you know, because it's so
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much bigger than us. You know, it's not just about
our platform, it's about our people. It's about humanity. Right,
So that conversation you know yet and if you go
back and watch that episode, it came out of nowhere,
like that wasn't the top it. He just said it.
He wanted to get some off of his chest. So
we weren't even prepared to have the conversations like holy shit. Right.
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But so I agree with you there. But I think
that we know how powerful a platform is. We know
that we have to be responsible with it. And that's
why I like, I think it's we've had so much
success because we are holding each other accountable when it
comes to mental health, when it comes to marriage, when
it comes to finance. We're having some really good conversations,
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and um, I think the thing that we all have
to do is how do we participate in you know, politics,
you know things that touches all of us right and
you know humanity you know, so a lot of people
run away from those conversations. We want to leave into them,
and we got to do them the right way. So
you know, we know how powerful our voices and I
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think that you know, we're one of the few out
there that's really getting it right. But we still have
a lot to learn. How with that being said, we
get to see Colin play, that would be great. I
don't think that will ever happen. Will you think will
talk to me? He has to You can't have listen,
he's been for five years. Where is he gonna play?
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And so there's there's thirty two teams correct right now
there's probably around thirty, but around three quarterbacks per roster.
That's nineties six quarterbacks in the National Football League. See
Brandy is better than half of them. What does that mean?
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So that means that he can play, That means that
his that his talent is is good enough. Second NFL,
you can't have in racism and the end zone. You
can't go on us on the rand, Mr Commission, Mr
uh Pete Carroll, who I love and respect and study
his leader ship ways I love playing for him. You can't.
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You can't go to the owners meeting in South Florida
and say we gotta do better with minorities. Roger connect Codell,
who I have a great relationship with. I can text
him right now, but you can't go. You can't say
we got it wrong. We should be protecting and supporting
our athletes that peacefully protests and still black ball Colin
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Kaepernick can't happen. It's been happening. Yeah, but enough enough,
enough enough. Why would they change if they've been able
to get away, they gotta change And go back to
your point, we got it wrong in NFL players, But
right now w y'all did in coming together and saying
what if it was me? All Brandon? No one's holding
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them accountable because they owned the league. That rich white
men control the league. They don't have bosses, they are
their bosses. They answer to no one. Okay, talk to
me how that works because it's been years. I mean, listen,
don't you worry right with you, I wanted him to
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have a job. Here's the power where we finally found
her voice. So you're saying year four years later, four
years later, are you saying we as an athlete, we
as black athletes? Four years later, we saw O b
j Sa, Kwon Barkley, all the black stars in the
NFL said, what if it was me together collectively Brandon,
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I want him to manage. And if you're right and
I am wrong, that would make me happy. That would
nothing would make me more happy to see him on
the NFL roster. The reason why I don't think it
can happen is because if Colin is in the locker room,
it just it disrupts the entire equation. There's a man
who pushed back and told you, I don't give up,
and I'm the boss, and I will kneel, and the
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question will be will you kneel? And yeah, I'm kneeling.
You think that he would take a he would take
a backup quarterback position if they told me he he couldn't kneel.
We're not We're past kneeling. Okay, okay, okay, okay, jay Z.
But my point is is that if he decides that
he that he wants to do some sort of protest,
and they say, no, I don't think he's going to
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be an agreement and that will disrupt the apple cart.
Now I'll tell you right now, I'm in agreement for
Collin Kaepernet coming in and just playing football. We don't
need to kneel no more. We passed that. He knows that.
He in agreement with that. You interview him, he is
going into to play football. He like, yeah, is he
going to continue to stand up and for what he
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believes in and fight for what he believes in? Absolutely? Absolutely,
But he's going in as a football player. I asked
him on the show, how are you going to eliminate distractions? Right?
We're going in to win a championship. That's what it's about.
He loves football. When you say, how do we eliminate distraction?
What does that mean? He's coming in to play football.
We won't get a kneil. The more he already did it.
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He already knew that's going back right now. It's about
what you said. It's about having that playing in place. Now, okay,
you you you didn't ask to be the face of it,
now you are. Now you have the plan in place.
That's more powerful than kneeling. What happens when there what
I need, what I need, what I need from Colin Copernick,
Go go throw me. That's it. What happens when during
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the NFL year, a black man is murdered and he
feels the need to say something. If he's asked about it,
one of these pesky asked journalists say, Hey, this is
what I'm gonna saying. Let me all right, got it?
A great, great question. This is what I'm gonna say.
And that's what I'm gonna ask some other legends, NFL
legends to say, calling you sacrificed enough. Just play football,
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every other black NFL player, dog, Now it's time for
y'all to take the knee. Wow wow, wow wow powerful
Brendy Marshall naked, being naked, challenging me up, it's I did.
I'm gonna text you and be mad at you after
this podcast. I don't hold. Let's do tea time, all right,
let's do it all right, tea time. So tea time
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is this is the opportunity to get messy. Okay, here
it is this one question I have for you for
tea time. Okay, just one, just one. I mean you
can ask that terrifies me because it's just one just
one time. So listen. You know, when we first opened
the show, I thank you for being a pioneer, you know,
seeing you know us represented, you know, you being an
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apologetic leaning into the fashion, your personality and attitude like
we've never really seen at that level before. I mean,
we're talking about a legendary show. So I guess, my, my,
you know, with all that being said, you know, my
only question for you is, go ahead, sit your te
go ahead, sip it. What happened? Why aren't you no
(38:53):
longer on first take? Oh that's a good question and
an easy one to answer. Um. I worked with Skip
and stephen A. Smith and at the time they were
the biggest personalities on TV and ESPN brought me in
to ask questions and not to talk. And when that
became more evident and more clear, perhaps six seven months
(39:13):
in UM, the journalists that I am felt away. I
was like, why am I being silence while we're talking
about things like ray Rice and you know, domestic abuse?
And why am I being silenced when you we want
to talk about Floyd Mayweather or why am I being
told I can't weigh in on topics. When I have
something to say, I have an opinion. This is an
opinionated show. I should be able to say something. I
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I went to the bosses, I went to everybody, and
they were like, mm, that's not what this show is.
The show is those two talking, and you're the moderator.
But what they said to me is that you're without
saying it, is that as a little brown girl, you're
not supposed to talk. You should just be happy to
be here. No one at the time, not including all
the great brown women who had been on the air.
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Jamal didn't have a Monday through Friday show, Sage, you
didn't have a money Friday show. I was on the
most popular show as a brown girl, and I was
supposed to be just happy to be there, and I wasn't.
Quite Frankly, I was the apposite of of happy. I
was disrespected. I was treated poorly behind the scenes and
in front of the camera. And I'm not saying that
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it was stephen A and I'm just saying that his skipped,
but every all around, and I got tired of betraying myself.
No one kicked me off the show. I left on
my phone. I left and I took my grace in
my grid and I said I'm going to Sports Center.
And when I left here and was like, yeah, that's
why you got kicked off. I didn't get kicked off.
I got tired of being disrespected. I got tired of
being treated like on national television, on the most popular show.
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And while it wasn't obvious to the it wasn't obvious
to the people watching, because my presence was so powerful
that you may not have felt that, but I felt it.
And I knew that there was more that I could
offer and there was more that I could say. But
to their credit, I learned to work extremely hard, because
Kippen's even a work harder than any I've never worked
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with anybody who is who they may be dedicated to work.
We do twelve hour days. We'll be on the road
all the time. No can play show up, do two
hours prepared, do your work, put your head down, don't complain.
Learned study and I wasn't. And to their credit, to
their credit, you know, I knew about basketball. I knew
a little bit about football, but I don't know everything
about everything. And they taught me a lot. Whether they
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intentionally taught me. They taught me a lot and that
became my beat. Sports is my beat, and I learned,
And when I went to Sports Center, I felt a way,
of course I did. Nobody wants to be treated like
But you've been in a You've been on a team
where they don't respect you, and you don't get the ball,
you don't get to start, and you and you put
your head down and you figure it out and you
(41:47):
prove yourself. And the more approved myself, the more pushedback
I got. So I get this opportunity to host host
Sports Center and come to l A and and live
where I lived, and I loved it. What are you
talking about? I'm from here. I'm from l A. But
the truth is is that sometimes companies and institutions want
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black faces, but they don't want a black voice. And
because we were talking about Colin Kaepernick, that's when Colin
Kaepernick went down in twenty sixteen, and everything that happened,
and the pushback that we got maybe a year or
so later about how we covered Colin, about how we
used our black voices to defend Colin or to present
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a different side was extraordinary. Not only was the NFL
against Colin dare I say. All the media outlets were
against Colin as well because they needed to. They had
to serve there their master, for lack of a better word,
which was the NFL. And I was like, oh no,
(42:48):
I can't do this. And as a black woman, I'd
be damned if I watched them sit and betray a
black man like that. And we evolve right. I started
to give my voice, I started to feel myself. I
was like, fine, I'm out here for my thing. And
the more and more I stayed there, I knew that
my voice was not valued. And while I didn't have
any place to go, I left. That's what I'm sure
(43:10):
because I believed in me more than they could. I
get frustrated with us as black people fighting to get
into these rare spaces, this rare fight air. I was
the first black girl Monday through Friday, and however, many
eons on ESPN two than ESPN, and we fight to
get to these rare spaces, and we're only tolerated, not accepted.
(43:35):
And I got tired of being tolerated. I wanted to
be somewhere where I was accepted. So I had to
create my own space. I had to create my own
landscape and ESPN is the best. Is this is that? Okay? Correct?
The biggest platform, super famous, everyone knows me, you know
me because of that. I'm at all the events. But
I'd be damned if I lose my dignity just for
(43:57):
a paycheck in a five day a week get on
the biggest play from me. And by the way, I'm
not the only person in the world feeling that way.
There are people right now who will listen to this
podcast and be like, damn, I'm tired of being tolerated.
I want to be respected. I just got fed up. Powerful. Wow, Um,
I guess that I said one question, but I'll ask
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two more, two part questions to Tom everybody Bratian took
on my podcast. Y'all an that was powerful. Oh my goodness.
Is there anything that you would do differently? One? And two?
What can we do as black men that support our sisters? Support?
(44:43):
Looks interesting because when I was there and I was struggling,
I didn't have it. Legit didn't have it. And people,
have you ever been in a situation where you know
that people are not respecting yet and they are looking
when it's happening, and the reason why it gets had
(45:04):
is because there are people who watched watch that show
down and didn't have my back, And it's people I
thought I would heavy if I'm being honest, and they
didn't have a back, And that's okay. That's okay because
everyone has to beat their family and everyone can't be bold.
You just it's hard to find your voice because if
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you defend someone the way in which I defended Jamal Hill,
you pretty much put a nail on the coffin. So
when Jamal was going to through all her stuff and
I decided to defend her, whether it be on social
media or in person, that was my nail in the coffin, Like,
how dare you defend her? She's a pariah, she went
against the president. But I'm on the right side of history.
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I'm on the right side of history when the book
is written, I'm on the right side of history, and
that's all that matters. And support looks like if you're
smart enough to know that I'm walking away from a
powerful showing a powerful network, it's not because I'm on
some books and I wasn't doing my job. Anyone who
watched knew that I was always doing my job. And
(46:07):
support looks like I got your back. Do I need
to send a tweet, Let me send a tweet, let
me mention it, don't let you know, don't let somebody
speak ill of who I am. Don't let someone dismiss me.
And my voice cannot be as powerful as a skip
baylest it just isn't. He has more. He has more,
he has a bigger platform, me as more people. My
(46:28):
voice isn't going to be more powerful than ESP and
they can tell whatever story they want to. So support
is coming on my podcast, coming on my TV show,
having my bag riding for me, knowing that I'm doing
the job that I'm doing and I'm trying to create
my own and I'm doing it my way. My story
isn't over. It is done my damn way. I am
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saying notice things I want to say no to and
yes to what I want to say no yes to.
That's what support looks like like. I'm I'm literally creating
a path for the next one in life. So all
the other ones you see that come behind me and
it's a little easier for them, it's because they on
me and I'm okay with that. Thank you so much,
(47:09):
because you and a few others paid the way from me.
I was on a five day a week show and
I didn't like how we covered the athletes, and I
walked away. And that's when I am Matthew was creazy.
I remember first things first, Right, you're talking about that, right, Yes,
he was like, I'm out, I don't want to do it.
I don't want to do it. You didn't want to
do it. But but if you didn't do that, I'm
(47:30):
telling you calling didn't take that knee, if you didn't
stand up for your sister, if you didn't do what
you did, I wouldn't have done what I did because
I would have also embraced and been happy with being tolerated.
But you have such a very, very unique circumstance and
a very unique voice, and you need to be appreciated.
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All of us blacks do. If they don't appreciate you,
kick rocks. Very few of us get to be appreciated.
Find that space in that relationship and that work relationship,
whatever it is across the board. Choose yourself. And that's
the end of the story. And it's hard and scary.
So tea time, cheers time, don't be stealing my segment
(48:16):
to too late. I just actually I just trademarket. I
just trademarket. I'm gonna call it. I'm gonna call it
one time, don't call it wine time brand and Marshall, y'all,
he you know, listen. He challenged me a bit. He
told me not to tiptoe around the questions, asked what
I want to stop being scary. I'll tell you this.
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It made me feel away, like I wanted to fight him.
It made me feel away, and I was like, I'm
not tiptoeing around you. What I'm trying not to do
is get cut out. What I'm trying to do is
have an interview that requires both of us to be adults,
because I mean, I don't have any home training. Who
knows what I'm saying. Right, If you say something slick,
I'm gonna say something like bad because I'm good to
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grown that way now. So anyway, Brandon Marshall gave us
so much more. Like I said, this is a two
parter because we could not leave anything out. You're welcome.
You can thank me later next week. And we talked
to him again. And I know that the draft is
here this week and everything is focused on the draft,
(49:19):
but I felt like it was a proposed not to
just necessarily focused on the draft, but talk about someone
who has experienced that, and what this league, NFL will
look like, and what will happen to black athletes who
want to stand up for justice. While the NFL says
they're with them, are they truly Brandon answers those questions
(49:41):
and a lot more again in Part two of Brandy
Marshall on Naked Don't forget to listen. Part two coming
up next Monday. Thank you all for listening today and
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Kaepernick coming in and just playing football. We don't need
to kneel no more. We passed that. He knows that.
He with that you interview him, he is going into
to play football. He like, yeah, is he going to
continue to stand up and for what he believes in
and fight for what he believes in? Absolutely? Absolutely, But
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he's going in as a football player. I asked him
on the show, how are you going to eliminate distractions? Right?
We're going to win the championship. That's what it's about.
He loves football, That's what it's Aboutnce Aounce NFL that
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I love, as you all know, to have people on
the podcast that I know well. First off, wait before
you even get into that. First of all, I've had
a hell of a week, have I not? Um. I've
been talking about my new show with Jamal Hill on
CNN Plus and how excited I was about it. It's
called Speak Easy and And for the last few weeks
after it launched, I had heard that there were problems
(02:05):
would see ann streaming service because we were bought by Discovery,
and Discovery wanted to do it their way, but see
it end did it their way, and so Mommy and
Daddy were fighting in short and as a result, they
decided to end the streaming service a month after it launched.
Our show has not even premiered, which is disappointing and
(02:26):
confusing and shocking and all the things. But I've I've
been a TV vet in this game for a very
long time. And before I get to my guess, I
do want to say this, um clearly we're protected, right,
that's people in front of the camera. You you get
guaranteed contracts, which means you get guaranteed money. And from
my understanding, they're looking to move us to a different
(02:50):
platform within the big, huge company, and so that's great.
But what's not great is all the people who left
their jobs to come to see an N plus or
who relied on working at CNN plus. I don't know
how many people that is, but I know that there
are people who will experience hard times and this will
push people into some very tough corners, and so for that,
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I am sad, and I am wishing everyone, including my
staff that I have still already talked to nothing but
the best, and hoping that this moment is truly just
a small stumbling block and not a real setback. Because
I've worked with so many talented people there. I know
that hopefully CNN will absorb them, or other areas of
(03:35):
now Discovery Warner Media will absorb the people that I
worked with in my staff and all the others that
I didn't get a chance to meet. There are a
lot of great people there, and I'm still friends with
a lot of on air folks. I talked to Rex
Chapman the other day. He's in a holding pattern as
a Scott Galloway, and a lot of the talent that
had shows on there that weren't quote unquote seeing an
(03:56):
anchors are looking to be shifted elsewhere, which makes sense, right.
Mommy and Daddy were fighting. They didn't get along, and
so they decided to bring their kids back home from
the trip from Disneyland, so nobody can go to Disneyland. Meanwhile,
I gotta get to the podcast. That's my update. I'm
doing well. Jay is doing well. We haven't missed a beat,
So thank you for being kind and reaching out. Brandon
(04:16):
Marshall on Naked Today, This is a good episode. Job
because I'm making it two partner. It was so good.
He normally people come on for thirty forty five minutes.
We talked for probably two hours because it was so
good because we were going back and forth. Brandon Marshall
is now known to a different generation of folks for
(04:37):
his new podcast, I Am Athlete. Now the clips have
gone viral. He's had great interviews. He's put himself and
very uncomfortable positions to talk about mental health and who
he is and his family and his friends, and I
respect him for that. He does more of the same here,
but we begin with the interview that he most recently
(04:57):
had with Colin Kaepernick. If you guys have paid a tension,
you know that Colin Kaepernick is now synonymous with a
Muhammad Ali if you will of this generation. Uh, he
still wants to play football. Blacklisted by the league because
he was kneeling in America, felt as if he was
being divisive. That was when that Orange Man was president,
and Colin has since gone on a tour to change
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and educate the world about knowing your rights and and
the disproportionate killing of black men and how we can
live in a world in which were treated well. In America,
he essentially is saying, America, I demand, I demand that
you give us this promise that you have promised to
us right that you live up to the promise you
have given to us or said you would give to us.
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But how does that coincide with football? Colin Kaepernick and
his and his awareness has now made football and politics
live at its intersection, and it's uncomfortable to dissect. Today,
Brandon and I dissected in a very honest, real way.
Brandon has his own thoughts as an athlete. I have
(06:02):
my own thoughts as a journalist, and we come together
and we share those thoughts and a spirited conversation. We
talked about mental health, talk about his family, We talked
about playing in the league. We talked about a contentious
relationship he had with Jay Cutler, who I can't stand,
but he says that's his guy. He says, Jay Cutler's
my guy. Ja Culer was his quarterback when he was
with the Chicago Bears, And if you google Jay Cutler,
(06:25):
I can't stand him because he speaks to me out
of turn and uneducated and it doesn't make any sense.
Y'all might like him, that's fine. Brandon talks about their
relationship and how it was really great at one point
and it wasn't so great at one point, but now
it's back to being great. This podcast is honest and
we're all promise you. I have never had another guest
(06:46):
on this podcast that is as naked as Brandon Marshall.
Get your popcorn. He's not that white out, but get
your popcorn. You're going to enjoy and Chepi. I like to.
I like to. I'd like to say whenever I have
someone on the podcast that I am familiar with, or
that I was, that I have been fond of, or
(07:08):
that I'm friendly with, I keep it a buck because
there are stories that we I have questions about things
that I've I know that you and I have discussed.
So I I do want to say, off top, thank
you for doing this. I appreciate it very much. UM.
And secondly, you have been able to transition in such
a beautiful way. And I don't think that it's a
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surprise to anyone that television comes natural to you or
your podcast is a success. Uh. The first time I
met you, deep into your career team maybe I was like,
so you're doing a TV thing. I'm sure like. Talk
to me about the evolution of Brandon, which begins as
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this amazing football player, UM who now finds himself with
a platform using his voice for good. Right, Yeah, well one,
thank you for having me. And you know, I really
appreciate this platform, all the conversations that you guys have,
and I've been a fan of you, uh from day one,
(08:11):
you know. I mean I think you were one of
the first that you know, grace the screen, you know,
and really implement fashion, you know, with the storytelling and
then also knowing your stuff, right, So like you know,
you're a pioneer in this space. But uh, I don't
think I've ever reached my food. I don't. I don't
think I reached my full potential, you know, because I
was struggling. You talked about being this amazing football player, uh,
(08:35):
and then being able to transition into media. Well in
two thousand and eleven. In two thousand and eleven, I
was actually on the campus of McClay Hospital, number two
sechiatric hospital in the entire world. I was diagnosed with
borderline personality disorder. You know. I was there for three months,
you know, from Monday through Friday from eight am to
(08:55):
five pm, and I was in dialectic be avior their
self assessment therapy, UH, coming behavior therapy. Uh, you know,
one on one with the great Dr Gunderson, and you know,
from there, you know, I realized that, like, you know,
I'm bigger than this, this football player. And we heard
these stories all the time and statistics, but like a
lot of us struggle because you know, the sport defined us.
(09:19):
You know. I say all that to say, you know,
in two thousand and fourteen, playing with the Chicago Bears.
Fast forward, Uh, you know I did. I spent three
months with Harvard and we worked on this case study,
and you know, Magic Johnson stood out to me, lived Strong,
Lance Armstrong stood out to me, and uh, you know,
I couldn't, you know, understand why Magic Johnson was flying
(09:41):
around probably making a couple of million dollars, you know,
talking about basketball and ESPN when he was pushing the
half word for half a billion dollars um. But I
realized that I was his platform to continue to talk
about the things that he was passionate about in the
community and also his for profits. That's why I got
into television. That's why I started really taking can't serious.
(10:01):
And uh, a year later, got a TV agent. Didn't
know that, you know, there was a such thing as
a TV agent, And a couple months later he was like, hey,
what you do? You know showtime inside the NFL, and
I was like absolutely and became the first, you know,
active athlete full time broadcasters. So you know, I just
(10:21):
bet myself that's it and I think it works. And
you know, the first guy to actually worked with Pete
Radovitch and inside the NFL on showtime, he's always say
like Brandon's he would stop the show and he'd be like,
stop trying to be a broadcaster. Remember Charles Barkley, you
know he's like, that's that's that's where this industry is going.
(10:41):
So that's how it started for me. That's that's words
of wisdom. And it takes somebody to understand what to respect,
somebody to to take that advice, because that is a fact.
People once you authentic and they don't want to hear
you have to say that's not true and not naked
and not honest, because that's not why we tune in
to listen to Brandy Marshall. That's the fact, right. I
think about when you guys came on, I am athlete gave,
(11:05):
not even really gave. But what what all the smoke
did was opened the door. And I and I get jealous,
like can I keep it a bug? I get jealous
and not like real jealous, but I get jealous because
dudes will get on a wrap to other dudes about everything.
You know, if I had shock on my podcast, He's
not telling me how he cheated on Shanny, you know
what I mean, Like he's like, I'm offset, I'm on
set care. I don't want to hear that. You know,
(11:25):
maybe he might a holler on the low in the background,
you know what I mean, Like he's not telling me
and I'm not or another another athlete who is not
as evolved as you can't come on and talk to
me about mental health. Um, for whatever reasons, you men
treat women differently. I don't know why, So then you
(11:46):
can you don't, but they do. You don't think, well,
I think. I think like you walk on eggshells because
you're trying to be compassionate. You're trying you're humanizing me,
and you're just like, yo, like you know, you want
to make sure that you do it the right way,
and I'm just like, YO, just ask me the question. Yeah,
well the question is when you have these I think
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because I love your podcast and I'm a fan of
it and I love watching all you athletes talk because
it's just a real, unfiltered conversation. What I think sometimes
is missing, as in the case with Dez Bryant, it's
the ability to push back sometimes I'll let each other
right or some that ain't that ain't right. Like when
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des was talking about Colin Kaepernick and there was no
call to action, I'm like, wait, hold on, do you
know what a call to action is? Sir? And I'm
all like, and then y'all just sitting there like yeah, yeah,
and I'm like that should that you y'all probably understood
what he was trying to say. Me as a journalist
is like, no, no, no, no, sir. There was a
very specific called action, and this is what it was.
(12:51):
Are you saying? Colin was very clear that he wanted
to make sure he stood up for people who can
speak for themselves that would be murdered by cops black men,
more specifically, it's not fair. He then shut down, stop talking,
left people to decide what do you are you come
with the NFL or not. You're saying, oh, you're not
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going to the super Bowl, but you're still trying to
play in the league. The message got confusing because he
wasn't saying what it was or how he felt because
he was still figuring. So there was a call to action,
but the leadership was confusing because you found a reluctant
leader who started leading right. That was my pa. So so,
but here's why I didn't push back on Dads on
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that one. You are right, you know, because like, and
I'll be honest with you, you know, like you were
honest with me. He was like, Yo, let me be transparent.
I get jealous at times, blah blah blah blah blah,
So let me be honest with you, Like I'm learning
my position as a journalist right, Like it's hard, but
you know because like I've been in those shoes before
(13:57):
where you know, where misrepresented and then media and the
media have agendas, right, so like creating a safe place
for athletes, but being able to sit down with antonio'
brien and be like, yo, like, bro, I need to
hold your accountable and I need to push back here,
but also like I get I understand the other side
of it as well. So it is tricky, and there
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are there are times where where I have failed and
where we have failed. But it's a process, and I
think we'll get there. But you fail. You have not failed.
That's not the word. Well, well, well, because you know,
it's I look at the same thing like when I
play a game on Sunday, we go watch film on
Monday or that night, and I'm looking at like how
can I get better? So I do the same thing
(14:38):
in media. And I think that's also where athletes go
wrong when they transition into media, as they think that
they're just gonna show up off their name. You know,
they don't understand that there's a skill, there's a talent,
you know, to this media thing. Right, Like I even
like how when you're talking to me, you look to
your right and you're asking me a question. People don't
know like you're communicating with me right now, like they
(15:00):
they don't see that right your hands actually all of
that body language. So um, anyways, back to the calling
Kaepernick deal. Um, and and that's briant right. Here's what
Dad's what I believe Das was saying, and why I
didn't push back in that particular segment. It's like calling.
Even I just had calling for the past week. He
(15:20):
was down here training with us, and we sat down
with him. I was going there, I was going there. Okay, cool,
so so so here's what. Here's what dads, here's here's
let's go back to dad's DA's calls out calling. And
the reason why I didn't push back is because, like
Colin didn't even he said, I just felt something. I
took a knee, said, and I stood up for this.
(15:44):
You know, two thousand and sixteen, when Cap took his
first knee, uh, you know, when you're talking about a
call to action, no one knew, you know, no one knew.
Think about how divided the NFL was. Think about how
you know divided we were when it came to like
every single Sunday, knowing that we had this, this huge
opportunity seventy thousand people live a couple of million to
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then knowing the biggest stars in our game, we're gonna
have three or four cameras in their face for three
or four minutes on the national anthem leading up to
the national anthem, right after the national anthem, the whole week.
What are you gonna do? Are you gonna take a knee?
Are you're gonna raise it? Which? What are you guys
gonna do? So when Cap took his first knee, there
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was no, like, hey, guys, like what the NBA did,
Lebron James, CP three, all those guys they were, they
were they were unified, right, How is that? How is
that different? Brandon? I gotta push back. All they decided
to do was where hoodies and get T shirts printed
and the like. But I adn't like that. I'll be
but you said it was the same thing, go ahead
and finish. Sorry. They didn't have a call to action
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per se. It was just it was an illustration of
we are we are unified as black men to talk
about the fact that they are killing us in a
disparate portunate rate and we don't like it. And because
we have a platform, this is a saying we don't
like it. And that's what it was. When he took
a knee. Tell me what you didn't like that? Right there?
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Is that they got on the call inten or however
they did it in when they were in the bubble
in Orlando, Florida at Wide World of Sports, they all
had a meeting and they all said, this is what
are we gonna do. That never happened in the NFL,
And I don't know if the only time it happened
was in the NFL when they did the video where
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they said what if it was me? You saw O
b J. You saw Todd Gurley, saw Sayclom Barkley finally
put pressure on the NFL together unified. So when Kat
took that first knee in twenty sixteen, he did that.
First of all, he was sitting on the bench and
then he got advice people start picking it up, and
then he said, I'm gonna take the knee. Right Even
(17:53):
from that moment that when we we really start coming
together and start trying to have conversations together, was when
the players collision was put together, and even CAP's team
versus the players Coalition was was was was like divided.
You had Malcolm Jenkins, you had ankor On Bold and
trying to lead the charge and really galvanize the locker room,
(18:14):
galvanized the NFL. So that's what I mean by that
as far as like there was no plan, because that's
what everybody was saying in two thousand and sixteen, two
thousand and seventeen was what is the plan, What are
we gonna do? What are we asking for? How do
we come together? Because there's power in numbers, right, So
I think that that that was that was the challenge.
(18:36):
Hold back, don't hold back, don't hold back. I'm yeah,
I'm getting my thoughts together. I agree there was a
challenge there because I felt not necessarily as soon as
you felt it. But I felt a year or so later,
like Colin we with when he left the league? Are
we with the league? Are we not? Are we boycotting?
Are we not? We watched the Super Bowl? Do we not? However,
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the same guy in des Bryant who was criticizing the
call to action is the same guy that I remember saying,
we gotta feed our families, and so I'm not taking
an age. That's exactly what he said. The same guy.
He's talking about a man who is no longer playing,
and that's how it came across, whether he felt like
he was or not, who is no longer playing, who
has sacrificed the game that he loves, really did have
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a call to action. He took an l for everybody,
and he was black balled. And for des to be
so bold and be like, I'm not, we got families
to feed, he should have just tapped out. I prefer
you not to speak if you know nothing to say,
if you don't have the right. I rather you not
talk at all. I'm never talking on something I know
nothing about, or I'm not passionate about, or nothing that
I truly believe in. And when he came on your
(19:43):
your podcast, my only concern was that he was very
adamant about something that I felt like he was not
fully briefed on. That bothered me. And then what even
bothered me further was that no, but he pushed back,
y'all understood if he was saying because you guys are
athletes and you don't speak the same language. And so
(20:05):
then when I say, I do get jealous, and not
in a bad way, I don't really get jealous, like
I enjoy it. I need this content. I need all
of this kind. I'm using it for my TV show.
Y'all going, I am athlete and have it. I'm I'm
gonna borrow all this from my TV show and put
your own, and you have something to talk about. M
there needs to be pushedback because only men can hold
men accountable. Women can't hold men accountable unless we in
(20:28):
a relationship and we in love and I'm I'm your
baby mama, or we married. Y'all, don't give up what
we gotta say unless you respect us, unless you respect us,
unless you respect us, And it's hard. And then you
have Colin Kaepernick on your podcast. Kudos to you not
doing interviews. Mind you, I have a whole as TV
(20:48):
partner who is in a production with him, and he's like,
I ain't coming on your show. So kudos to you. Um,
and I'm not even met about that. I'm like, you're right,
all right, don't come on. I get it. You don't
want to talk to us. I'm get it. I by
the way, I respect all that because I know it
gets ticky. And I'm not gonna come here and fluff you.
I'm gonna push you, and I'm ana pressure you, but
I'm ana pressure you to the point where I'm gonna
allow you to say what you want to say. You
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have him on and he doesn't necessarily tell us anything
that's new. But do you ask him if he had
a call to action? Do you ask him if he
knew what he was doing? Yeah, so this is challenging,
right because let's go back to Dad's Briant. Here's what
I didn't like about the Dad's Briant, you know episode,
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right to your point when we're talking about human rights,
we're talking about police brutality. Like I don't like I
feel some type of way about calling back in because
the same thing to this, because we had no plan.
But at the end of the day, like we've all
experienced that where we come from in our neighborhood. So
(21:54):
I feel like that's not the time to do that.
We supposed to me together, right, that's my thing. Okay,
now I'm pushing forward to cap the same thing. To me,
this is not about journalism, and it's not about it's
not about like trying to hold him accountable asking this question,
that question is it's about me supporting her brother? Why?
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Because his story is more power. It's it's already powerful,
it's already legendary. He's already saved lives. He like you said,
he took LS for a lot of us. Just he
deserves to be back in the NFL facts because, like
like he what he said on our show, my message,
(22:38):
your message matcha matches up with my message from back in.
You have end racism in the end zone. You have
Black Lives Matter, and the end zone on the back
of your helmet. How the guy that started all of
this creating has environed me for all of us. Why
is he still paying the price? If he's saying you listen,
I want to play, I still can't play, which is
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why Brandon, without cutting you off, I was beefy with Dazz.
I'm like, yes, he's taking some else for you. Come
on the show. And if we do talk about Colin,
know what you're talking about. And I don't know if
that was duplicited because he wanted to get somebody to
give him a gig so that them, they whomever they
are that are hiring, or like, oh, he's with us,
because sometimes it'd be that I don't know what I'm
(23:24):
just suggesting. The reality is I wasn't down with all
of Colin's messages. Are we down with every one of
our leader's messages? No, we're not. We are not a
monolithic we do not think alike. But he did not
know what that meant, and that was disappointing on that platform. However,
with that being said, as you, I will say this,
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hold on, I will say this. There's a lot of
guys who agree to this day like that, feel that way,
and it's like to me, right right right, I agree
with you. I'm not saying what he said was wrong.
I just said it was uninformed. But I also know
that a lot of people agree with him. I still
think of it this way. Colin was not trying to
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be a leader. Someone asked him why he was sitting.
He gave his He gave his random message who he thought,
and then it became this news, and then he became
a leader, and then they pushed him here, and he
didn't know what was going on, and life was coming
so fast that I'm asking for people to have nuanced
and understanding. Now. When he knew he was a leader,
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when he knew he was a leader, when he knew
he was a leader, when he knew the world was
listening to him and people were comparing him to Muhammad Ali,
then what do you do with it? That's when I
was like, Colin, you could be better because now you
know you didn't fall into it. Now you know you
couldn't lead all those men because you didn't know where
he was going. You didn't know if he's gonna have
a job or not. And with that being said, you
(24:47):
get him to come on your your amazing podcast, and
he talks and just necessarily say anything new. But he
says I'm willing to be a backup. Life has changed.
I'm willing to be in the game. I'm still doing
this workout. And and by the way, I talked to
Colin briefly. I talked to him at his premier. I
still honor what he did because he's he lost what
he loved. And I couldn't imagine somebody taking my voice away.
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I couldn't imagine somebody taking my platform away. That would
break my heart. It would send me into depression, it
would make me reevaluate about what life is. And He's
handled this with grace and elegance. And I'm asking I'm
asking you, as an athlete who has this platform, to
provide nuance. M That's all I'm saying, right, No, but
(25:31):
here's a challenge, though, and I gotta keep it. I
gotta keep challenge. So right, there's two things that we're
dealing with right now. We're dealing with the movement and
we're dealing with football. So Colin still, like this past
week and he was in Vegas, you know, with you know,
(25:52):
the Know Your Rights tour and everything he's doing there,
like every single day, every single week, he's still pushing,
He's still fighting, right, he doesn't talk about it, nobody's
highlighting it, but he's still talking about it. So you
also got to understand that that, you know, there's a
lot of things in development in five it's been five
(26:14):
years since he's sat down with anybody. This dude has
things in development that he's been working on for a
very long time. And guess what, that's my brother and
I want to honor that and respect that because you know,
in a year from now, he can come out with
this amazing film, this amazing story that really covers all
of that. So with the traditional media, doesn't do they
(26:38):
don't respect that. They try to like, oh my goodness,
like this is a great win for us. You know,
we got calling. He's the first time he's ever sat
down with anyone for five years. But what about that
partnership and what about what he has going on outside
of that? Right? For me? For me, the reason why
I approached it the way I did is because you
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got calling, and now you have this guy that's saying
I want to play football, and I want to support
that because I believe that he should be playing football.
To me, it was more so about that because I
think we have a lot of time to continue this
story and tell the story of everything else he was doing.
Right now, I want him back in the NFL because
I think the legend and the story of calling Kaepernick
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in his second wave of the civil rights movement, it
gets even bigger. Like just imagine him being back in
you know, you know this, Let's keep it like you said,
let's keep it a buck right, like you know, like
you know call and sitting down with us, you know,
for him to feel comfortable. Let's respect Let's respect that.
(27:43):
You know. I not only do I respect it, I
love it, which is why I do love these athlete
lad platforms. And that's the overall consensus. I really respect
what you're doing in the Pivot podcast, you know, all
the smoke, yeah, like, and I respect all of it
because they do you need an area where they feel safe,
and they do need and they do need a space
where they can communicate the way they choose to communicate.
(28:05):
And that has somebody like, maybe like that don't make sense, right,
I get well, well, I will say this, but I
will say this though, because you gotta you know, this
is where you come in that and it's like you know,
you know, now we're reconnected I would. You know, I
want you to hit me up, teach me how to
do my job better, right, because I I trained my
entire life to be a professional football player. I knew
(28:27):
I was gonna make it to the NFL when I
was six years old, seven years of seven years of age.
This is what you do this. You knew your voice
was special to me. It wasn't about my voice, it
was about my legs and my hands. Right. So, you know,
I think that you know myself and Matt Barnes of
the world. You know, the guys is out there doing
at a high level. You know on YouTube digitally. We
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can lean on you guys more to teach us how
to do this because we want to be able to
hold our athletes accountable. But at the same time, you know,
we want to make sure that we're also planning to
the narrative. And that's there's the beauty. There's the nuance.
You don't want to give the narrative, the traditional mainstream
narrative where they get dismissed and they don't get in,
the stories don't get told right, all right, y'all, So
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uh don't go anywhere I know you're not because it's
good it's good as good as good as good. I'm silly,
I'm goofy. It's silly, Brandon Marshall. On the other side
of the Every champion and carry Chappion is to be
a champion, a champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappion.
A champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappion sports and
and the tame ake and make him work very Chappion
(29:36):
and carrie Chappion is to be a champion, a champion.
They carry Chappi, and they Chappi and they carry Chappion
and carry Chappi and make everybody. Welcome back to Naked
Brandon Marshall, just getting started. True story. The reason why
this is probably two parts is because his computer died.
He thought he'd only be on for so long, and
his computer died and he had to he had to
(29:58):
fire that thing back up, eat a little bit of sushi,
and start the podcast all over. You're welcome because it's good,
Brandy Marshall. It is. There is an art to asking
a question that is so uncomfortable that this person wit
men off to put you no more, or this person
might crush out and you say, curious, I see it's
not so much on I'm not trying to alienate you.
(30:19):
I am trying to hold you accountable, and I am
trying to ask you questions and I'm while and in
my own opinion, subjectively I could I have evolved. I
am no longer carring from first take right, so I
can see you evolved. But what I can't participate in
it's a bunch of black men sitting around not holding
each other accountable, because I think that's very important in
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our society. Black women wouldn't do it. I couldn't interview
a woman that was black and she was saying some
things that did not make sense. Any athlete period, any
journalist period. I could not interview you and be like,
because you're black, Imi letter Ride now aderstand really going?
I can't because sometimes, as we all know, your silence
(31:03):
is agreement, and that's not what you were doing. You
guys weren't agreeing. But then the then this this video
goes viral and leave it to you know, one of
my peeps to say something to them, and they go
at her and and dad's are going back and forth
on social and I'm like, I don't want to be like,
that's not what I want I don't want to get
into it on social like I ain't trying to trend.
I'll go ahead and you'll handle it. If you ever
(31:24):
come on my podcast, I'll talk to you about it.
With that being said, how important is the voice that
you have now with I am athlete, I'm important that podcasts. Yeah,
it's extremely important. I think you know it's uh, it's
a lot to it, right. That was something where I
agree with you. It's like, you know, because it's so
(31:45):
much bigger than us. You know, it's not just about
our platform, it's about our people. It's about humanity. Right,
So that conversation you know yet and if you go
back and watch that episode, it came out of nowhere,
like that wasn't the top it. He just said it.
He wanted to get some off of his chest. So
we weren't even prepared to have the conversations like holy shit. Right.
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But so I agree with you there. But I think
that we know how powerful a platform is. We know
that we have to be responsible with it. And that's
why I like, I think it's we've had so much
success because we are holding each other accountable when it
comes to mental health, when it comes to marriage, when
it comes to finance. We're having some really good conversations,
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and um, I think the thing that we all have
to do is how do we participate in you know, politics,
you know things that touches all of us right and
you know humanity you know, so a lot of people
run away from those conversations. We want to leave into them,
and we got to do them the right way. So
you know, we know how powerful our voices and I
(32:53):
think that you know, we're one of the few out
there that's really getting it right. But we still have
a lot to learn. How with that being said, we
get to see Colin play, that would be great. I
don't think that will ever happen. Will you think will
talk to me? He has to You can't have listen,
he's been for five years. Where is he gonna play?
(33:18):
And so there's there's thirty two teams correct right now
there's probably around thirty, but around three quarterbacks per roster.
That's nineties six quarterbacks in the National Football League. See
Brandy is better than half of them. What does that mean?
(33:39):
So that means that he can play, That means that
his that his talent is is good enough. Second NFL,
you can't have in racism and the end zone. You
can't go on us on the rand, Mr Commission, Mr
uh Pete Carroll, who I love and respect and study
his leader ship ways I love playing for him. You can't.
(34:03):
You can't go to the owners meeting in South Florida
and say we gotta do better with minorities. Roger connect Codell,
who I have a great relationship with. I can text
him right now, but you can't go. You can't say
we got it wrong. We should be protecting and supporting
our athletes that peacefully protests and still black ball Colin
(34:30):
Kaepernick can't happen. It's been happening. Yeah, but enough enough,
enough enough. Why would they change if they've been able
to get away, they gotta change And go back to
your point, we got it wrong in NFL players, But
right now w y'all did in coming together and saying
what if it was me? All Brandon? No one's holding
(34:52):
them accountable because they owned the league. That rich white
men control the league. They don't have bosses, they are
their bosses. They answer to no one. Okay, talk to
me how that works because it's been years. I mean, listen,
don't you worry right with you, I wanted him to
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have a job. Here's the power where we finally found
her voice. So you're saying year four years later, four
years later, are you saying we as an athlete, we
as black athletes? Four years later, we saw O b
j Sa, Kwon Barkley, all the black stars in the
NFL said, what if it was me together collectively Brandon,
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I want him to manage. And if you're right and
I am wrong, that would make me happy. That would
nothing would make me more happy to see him on
the NFL roster. The reason why I don't think it
can happen is because if Colin is in the locker room,
it just it disrupts the entire equation. There's a man
who pushed back and told you, I don't give up,
and I'm the boss, and I will kneel, and the
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question will be will you kneel? And yeah, I'm kneeling.
You think that he would take a he would take
a backup quarterback position if they told me he he couldn't kneel.
We're not We're past kneeling. Okay, okay, okay, okay, jay Z.
But my point is is that if he decides that
he that he wants to do some sort of protest,
and they say, no, I don't think he's going to
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be an agreement and that will disrupt the apple cart.
Now I'll tell you right now, I'm in agreement for
Collin Kaepernet coming in and just playing football. We don't
need to kneel no more. We passed that. He knows that.
He in agreement with that. You interview him, he is
going into to play football. He like, yeah, is he
going to continue to stand up and for what he
(36:40):
believes in and fight for what he believes in? Absolutely? Absolutely,
But he's going in as a football player. I asked
him on the show, how are you going to eliminate distractions? Right?
We're going in to win a championship. That's what it's about.
He loves football. When you say, how do we eliminate distraction?
What does that mean? He's coming in to play football.
We won't get a kneil. The more he already did it.
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He already knew that's going back right now. It's about
what you said. It's about having that playing in place. Now, okay,
you you you didn't ask to be the face of it,
now you are. Now you have the plan in place.
That's more powerful than kneeling. What happens when there what
I need, what I need, what I need from Colin Copernick,
Go go throw me. That's it. What happens when during
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the NFL year, a black man is murdered and he
feels the need to say something. If he's asked about it,
one of these pesky asked journalists say, Hey, this is
what I'm gonna saying. Let me all right, got it?
A great, great question. This is what I'm gonna say.
And that's what I'm gonna ask some other legends, NFL
legends to say, calling you sacrificed enough. Just play football,
(37:47):
every other black NFL player, dog, Now it's time for
y'all to take the knee. Wow wow, wow wow powerful
Brendy Marshall naked, being naked, challenging me up, it's I did.
I'm gonna text you and be mad at you after
this podcast. I don't hold. Let's do tea time, all right,
let's do it all right, tea time. So tea time
(38:09):
is this is the opportunity to get messy. Okay, here
it is this one question I have for you for
tea time. Okay, just one, just one. I mean you
can ask that terrifies me because it's just one just
one time. So listen. You know, when we first opened
the show, I thank you for being a pioneer, you know,
seeing you know us represented, you know, you being an
(38:32):
apologetic leaning into the fashion, your personality and attitude like
we've never really seen at that level before. I mean,
we're talking about a legendary show. So I guess, my, my,
you know, with all that being said, you know, my
only question for you is, go ahead, sit your te
go ahead, sip it. What happened? Why aren't you no
(38:53):
longer on first take? Oh that's a good question and
an easy one to answer. Um. I worked with Skip
and stephen A. Smith and at the time they were
the biggest personalities on TV and ESPN brought me in
to ask questions and not to talk. And when that
became more evident and more clear, perhaps six seven months
(39:13):
in UM, the journalists that I am felt away. I
was like, why am I being silence while we're talking
about things like ray Rice and you know, domestic abuse?
And why am I being silenced when you we want
to talk about Floyd Mayweather or why am I being
told I can't weigh in on topics. When I have
something to say, I have an opinion. This is an
opinionated show. I should be able to say something. I
(39:35):
I went to the bosses, I went to everybody, and
they were like, mm, that's not what this show is.
The show is those two talking, and you're the moderator.
But what they said to me is that you're without
saying it, is that as a little brown girl, you're
not supposed to talk. You should just be happy to
be here. No one at the time, not including all
the great brown women who had been on the air.
(39:57):
Jamal didn't have a Monday through Friday show, Sage, you
didn't have a money Friday show. I was on the
most popular show as a brown girl, and I was
supposed to be just happy to be there, and I wasn't.
Quite Frankly, I was the apposite of of happy. I
was disrespected. I was treated poorly behind the scenes and
in front of the camera. And I'm not saying that
(40:18):
it was stephen A and I'm just saying that his skipped,
but every all around, and I got tired of betraying myself.
No one kicked me off the show. I left on
my phone. I left and I took my grace in
my grid and I said I'm going to Sports Center.
And when I left here and was like, yeah, that's
why you got kicked off. I didn't get kicked off.
I got tired of being disrespected. I got tired of
being treated like on national television, on the most popular show.
(40:42):
And while it wasn't obvious to the it wasn't obvious
to the people watching, because my presence was so powerful
that you may not have felt that, but I felt it.
And I knew that there was more that I could
offer and there was more that I could say. But
to their credit, I learned to work extremely hard, because
Kippen's even a work harder than any I've never worked
(41:04):
with anybody who is who they may be dedicated to work.
We do twelve hour days. We'll be on the road
all the time. No can play show up, do two
hours prepared, do your work, put your head down, don't complain.
Learned study and I wasn't. And to their credit, to
their credit, you know, I knew about basketball. I knew
a little bit about football, but I don't know everything
about everything. And they taught me a lot. Whether they
(41:26):
intentionally taught me. They taught me a lot and that
became my beat. Sports is my beat, and I learned,
And when I went to Sports Center, I felt a way,
of course I did. Nobody wants to be treated like
But you've been in a You've been on a team
where they don't respect you, and you don't get the ball,
you don't get to start, and you and you put
your head down and you figure it out and you
(41:47):
prove yourself. And the more approved myself, the more pushedback
I got. So I get this opportunity to host host
Sports Center and come to l A and and live
where I lived, and I loved it. What are you
talking about? I'm from here. I'm from l A. But
the truth is is that sometimes companies and institutions want
(42:08):
black faces, but they don't want a black voice. And
because we were talking about Colin Kaepernick, that's when Colin
Kaepernick went down in twenty sixteen, and everything that happened,
and the pushback that we got maybe a year or
so later about how we covered Colin, about how we
used our black voices to defend Colin or to present
(42:28):
a different side was extraordinary. Not only was the NFL
against Colin dare I say. All the media outlets were
against Colin as well because they needed to. They had
to serve there their master, for lack of a better word,
which was the NFL. And I was like, oh no,
(42:48):
I can't do this. And as a black woman, I'd
be damned if I watched them sit and betray a
black man like that. And we evolve right. I started
to give my voice, I started to feel myself. I
was like, fine, I'm out here for my thing. And
the more and more I stayed there, I knew that
my voice was not valued. And while I didn't have
any place to go, I left. That's what I'm sure
(43:10):
because I believed in me more than they could. I
get frustrated with us as black people fighting to get
into these rare spaces, this rare fight air. I was
the first black girl Monday through Friday, and however, many
eons on ESPN two than ESPN, and we fight to
get to these rare spaces, and we're only tolerated, not accepted.
(43:35):
And I got tired of being tolerated. I wanted to
be somewhere where I was accepted. So I had to
create my own space. I had to create my own
landscape and ESPN is the best. Is this is that? Okay? Correct?
The biggest platform, super famous, everyone knows me, you know
me because of that. I'm at all the events. But
I'd be damned if I lose my dignity just for
(43:57):
a paycheck in a five day a week get on
the biggest play from me. And by the way, I'm
not the only person in the world feeling that way.
There are people right now who will listen to this
podcast and be like, damn, I'm tired of being tolerated.
I want to be respected. I just got fed up. Powerful. Wow, Um,
I guess that I said one question, but I'll ask
(44:20):
two more, two part questions to Tom everybody Bratian took
on my podcast. Y'all an that was powerful. Oh my goodness.
Is there anything that you would do differently? One? And two?
What can we do as black men that support our sisters? Support?
(44:43):
Looks interesting because when I was there and I was struggling,
I didn't have it. Legit didn't have it. And people,
have you ever been in a situation where you know
that people are not respecting yet and they are looking
when it's happening, and the reason why it gets had
(45:04):
is because there are people who watched watch that show
down and didn't have my back, And it's people I
thought I would heavy if I'm being honest, and they
didn't have a back, And that's okay. That's okay because
everyone has to beat their family and everyone can't be bold.
You just it's hard to find your voice because if
(45:25):
you defend someone the way in which I defended Jamal Hill,
you pretty much put a nail on the coffin. So
when Jamal was going to through all her stuff and
I decided to defend her, whether it be on social
media or in person, that was my nail in the coffin, Like,
how dare you defend her? She's a pariah, she went
against the president. But I'm on the right side of history.
(45:46):
I'm on the right side of history when the book
is written, I'm on the right side of history, and
that's all that matters. And support looks like if you're
smart enough to know that I'm walking away from a
powerful showing a powerful network, it's not because I'm on
some books and I wasn't doing my job. Anyone who
watched knew that I was always doing my job. And
(46:07):
support looks like I got your back. Do I need
to send a tweet, Let me send a tweet, let
me mention it, don't let you know, don't let somebody
speak ill of who I am. Don't let someone dismiss me.
And my voice cannot be as powerful as a skip
baylest it just isn't. He has more. He has more,
he has a bigger platform, me as more people. My
(46:28):
voice isn't going to be more powerful than ESP and
they can tell whatever story they want to. So support
is coming on my podcast, coming on my TV show,
having my bag riding for me, knowing that I'm doing
the job that I'm doing and I'm trying to create
my own and I'm doing it my way. My story
isn't over. It is done my damn way. I am
(46:49):
saying notice things I want to say no to and
yes to what I want to say no yes to.
That's what support looks like like. I'm I'm literally creating
a path for the next one in life. So all
the other ones you see that come behind me and
it's a little easier for them, it's because they on
me and I'm okay with that. Thank you so much,
(47:09):
because you and a few others paid the way from me.
I was on a five day a week show and
I didn't like how we covered the athletes, and I
walked away. And that's when I am Matthew was creazy.
I remember first things first, Right, you're talking about that, right, Yes,
he was like, I'm out, I don't want to do it.
I don't want to do it. You didn't want to
do it. But but if you didn't do that, I'm
(47:30):
telling you calling didn't take that knee, if you didn't
stand up for your sister, if you didn't do what
you did, I wouldn't have done what I did because
I would have also embraced and been happy with being tolerated.
But you have such a very, very unique circumstance and
a very unique voice, and you need to be appreciated.
(47:52):
All of us blacks do. If they don't appreciate you,
kick rocks. Very few of us get to be appreciated.
Find that space in that relationship and that work relationship,
whatever it is across the board. Choose yourself. And that's
the end of the story. And it's hard and scary.
So tea time, cheers time, don't be stealing my segment
(48:16):
to too late. I just actually I just trademarket. I
just trademarket. I'm gonna call it. I'm gonna call it
one time, don't call it wine time brand and Marshall, y'all,
he you know, listen. He challenged me a bit. He
told me not to tiptoe around the questions, asked what
I want to stop being scary. I'll tell you this.
(48:38):
It made me feel away, like I wanted to fight him.
It made me feel away, and I was like, I'm
not tiptoeing around you. What I'm trying not to do
is get cut out. What I'm trying to do is
have an interview that requires both of us to be adults,
because I mean, I don't have any home training. Who
knows what I'm saying. Right, If you say something slick,
I'm gonna say something like bad because I'm good to
(48:59):
grown that way now. So anyway, Brandon Marshall gave us
so much more. Like I said, this is a two
parter because we could not leave anything out. You're welcome.
You can thank me later next week. And we talked
to him again. And I know that the draft is
here this week and everything is focused on the draft,
(49:19):
but I felt like it was a proposed not to
just necessarily focused on the draft, but talk about someone
who has experienced that, and what this league, NFL will
look like, and what will happen to black athletes who
want to stand up for justice. While the NFL says
they're with them, are they truly Brandon answers those questions
(49:41):
and a lot more again in Part two of Brandy
Marshall on Naked Don't forget to listen. Part two coming
up next Monday. Thank you all for listening today and
Joey Naked I my
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