The Good Game of Business with Sali Christeson

On this episode of Naked Sports, we’re getting real — like, take-the-gloves-off kind of real. We’re talking about the intersection where sports, culture, and politics ALL collide — because let’s be honest, they always do.

Sali Christeson is our very special guest — someone who’s not just brilliant, but who’s also become a true ally in this work. We get into the messy, necessary conversations about bias, what real allyship looks like, and how political moments hit differently — especially for women.

But it’s not all heavy. There’s a beautiful, personal story in here too — about friendship, holding each other down through hard times, and what it means to show up for someone when the world feels upside down.

This episode is a reminder that vulnerability isn’t weakness — it’s how we grow, connect, and find our way back to each other in a divided world.

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Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at
the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal
the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening
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trying to get to for almost thirty years. From the
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(01:08):
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the vital connections between these realms and the community we create.
In each episode, we'll sit down with athletes, political analysts,
and culture critics because at the core of it all,
how we see one issue shines a light on all others.

(01:31):
Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm your host, Carrie Champion.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Hi everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I'm Sally Christisen, the founder and CEO of Argent. We
are a women's work where brand with a mission of
removing barriers for women, and I'm a sports enthusiast NBA specifically,
so I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, So Sally is being very modest. She's a sports
expert an analyst, and I know you're thinking, Okay, so
Sally's on the show, I want to know what her
takes are. Before we get to Sally's takes, I'd like
to tell everyone a story about how I met Sally.
I'm going to let her tap in as well. But

(02:14):
it was, oh my goodness, the moment I met Sally.
It was maybe five days before the world shut down
during the pandemic. We met at the Tory Birch Conference
in New York City and I had just left ESPN
maybe three weeks before, and you walked over to me

(02:36):
and started talking, and you were like, hey, you want
to grab lunch, And for whatever reasons, your warmth drew
me in because I am not Anyone who knows me
knows that I am not a person who is going
to have lunch with anybody that I don't really know.
I'm like, no, I'm too busy. I'm too busy. And
we hit it off, but we didn't know the war
was about to shut down. It literally, it literally. I

(02:56):
think it was March eleventh when the NBA said we're
canceling the rest of the season. And I believe I
met you probably three or four days before then. Do
you remember, well.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
I remember a meeting.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's funny that you say that you wouldn't just sit
down with anyone, because I was thinking about how close
we've become and how lucky.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
I am too, Like one of my favorite people I'm
so excited.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I was. It was meant to be.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
It was a feeling, though that we both had.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
And there is there is something to that you either
connect with people or you don't. I mean, that's just life.
But we just there's like magic that happens when I'm
in your presence. So yeah, I vividly remember meeting.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It was easy. It was really easy. And I don't
remember why we were at the conference. We were women
were gathering and doing things. But I felt like, oh,
I like her. And then we just stayed in touch.
And here's the thing. I will be honest, you probably
were better at staying in touch than our west. But
when I was locked in, I was locked in. So
that's the kind of person. I'm a slow burn. You
got to let me get there, you know what I mean.

(03:53):
I talk with my hands.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I think I tend to be a little male, where
like I will just drop in with random questions every
couple of yours. I don't need to see you all
the time. I don't need to interact with you. I
we're just friends. If we get along, we get along.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Not everyone's like that.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
It was a very important time too, because I do
remember during the pandemic we were. It was a racial renaissance,
if you will. There was so much going on and
there was a lot of there were a lot of
the words that were being the buzzwords that were being
thrown around were who are your allies? Who can you
talk to? What other women in my case, who don't

(04:28):
look like you, who may have not known your story?
Can you really depend on them? Can they speak up
for you? Can they understand if you're part of a
marginalized group of people, what you're dealing with. And this
was around George Floyd, Amond Aubrey, and there were just
there were so many intense conversations and the world at
that time, since everything was shut down, felt as if

(04:51):
there was a learning, you know, a relearning if you will,
of what was existing. And I don't say this often,
and you won't take this a way you'll understand what
I'm saying. But it's really hard, I believe, to use
that word ally and friend when we are in mixed company.
I can't say that every white woman I know gets me,

(05:12):
understands me, appreciates me. It doesn't mean that all white
women are wrong. It's just like you have to really
have an understanding and throughout our friendship over the years,
because it's been some time now, it's about five years
since we are anniversary anniversary.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Stop, it's mark around right now, eleven, it's around this time,
anniversary moment, and you have been good to me, and
I want to say thank you. And I think that
oftentimes we don't know, we can get caught up, we
can have our own bias, we can feel a certain

(05:50):
way about a group of people, and you have always
been an example of No. I depend on you. I
think you're a good soul, and so I thank you
for that.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Thank you. The feeling's mutual. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
I think I am fortunate to have grown up in
South Carolina and had exposure to just you know, a
lot of different walks of life, because I also spent
summers in Turkey, and so given that upbringing, I think
I just I'm grateful because I saw a lot good
and bad. Yeah, and it's sort of shaped who I am.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I think you grew up in a small town, tiny
ten thousand people, one stop light? How many stop lights?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
One stop light?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Really? Ten thousand people? Not even shown here.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I read that, and I'm like, is that true?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yep, right off I ninety five and Hardyville, South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
How does that feel like when you think about how
you grew up? Does it feel nostalgic? Does it feel simple?
Does it feel of course it's nostalgia. But how does
it feel to you now living in the big city.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Yeah, it feels like a lot of things. I think
I was made for a big city, and I just
never knew that. I miss the like soliditude of farm
life and just being out in the wilderness and not
being attached to technology.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
But I feel so at home in New York.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
I struggle to reconcile some things about my childhood in
terms of, well, so I was, I'm Muslim and grew
up in a predominantly white school in Savannah, Georgia, And
I remember when nine to eleven happened and just all
the comments that were made, you know, but not you.

(07:31):
So I think that's also shaped my perspective. So I
think there's a lot that I missed. But there's a
deep appreciation for what I learned from the experience and
how much I understand where we are as a country
right now because of the exposure that I had. Just
for context, there's like a cut through if you're driving

(07:52):
down nine ninety five to get to Hilton Head, South Carolina,
it's a kusahatchie. But my entire life, there's been a
billboard that's the Confederate flag that says never forget. And
those are the types of people that I was raised
with and had exposure to. Not everyone, obviously, but I
think it just it really has helped me understand how
Trump happened, and I also understand some of the magic

(08:15):
that exists within these people, and just the ignorance at
the same time, you know, So it's just it's in
a head exposure to you know, plantations and all these things.
So I yeah, I'm really grateful for I think I'm
really grateful for just having been raised there and the
point of view that my parents offered, which was definitely
much more progressive and liberal.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
What was that point of view?

Speaker 4 (08:38):
My dad is probably the most open minded, kind, lovely
human being. He moved here from Turkey when he was
probably about twenty six twenty seven, so it's been like
forty he's lived here now longer than he did in Turkey.
Grew up with nothing, share he has a nine sibling,

(09:00):
shared a bedroom with all of them didn't have running water,
superstarma like the best grandmother in the world, no longer
with us. And then my mom grew up where I
grew up, same house, same place, same everything. Been in
the South her whole life. The family has been in
the South their whole lives.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
How did your mother meet your father?

Speaker 4 (09:21):
She went to Turkey after graduating from college and they
were doing a study, a broad trip and they stopped
through this bizarre in Turkey, which is where my dad
was working.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
He worked there starting at the age of five, selling water.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Saw my mom and asked her out, and she was like,
that's okay, you know, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, And then I almost sat And then he saw.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Her again mailing a letter at the post office, asked
her out again. She said no the second time, and
then the two of them ended up going to the
store that he worked in, or sorry that She and
her friend went into the store that he was working in,
and he, in cahoots with the tour guide that had
been leading them around Turkey, decided to ask them out

(10:09):
on a double date. And so my mom went out
with my dad and her friend Nancy went out with
Tuns and they had the time of their lives. They
finished their trip, they went around the rest of Europe.
They ended up my mom ended up moving back to
Turkey Wow for a year, and my very traditional grandfathers
you can imagine, was not happy about this. And this
is a man that probably would have voted for Trump
for if he was allowed to, wrote these scathing letters

(10:33):
to my dad, send my daughter home, blah blah blah. Eventually,
a year later, they ended up moving home to North Carolina,
which is also where we spent some time growing up,
and after a couple of months, ended up getting married.
The other couple, Nancy and Tunch, ended up getting married
forty plus years later forty love It forty six, forty seven.

(10:56):
They're both still friends, see each other, married, both of them,
Oh my, both of them.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
What a true love story. This needs to be a movie.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
I used to tell the story if it's as if
it was normal, I'd be like, yeah, and then they met,
and obviously she moved in with him, and obviously moved
to none.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Of the Warren, none of his normal none.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
I got. Yeah, it explains so much, and I hate
that I just don't know that story, but it gives
me such a better understanding into your heart. So your
father and your mother really really are, for lack of
a better term, trailblazers in a way in which they
approached this love that's just not normal for people to
in this day and age. Were so selfish. It's about

(11:37):
what us. They were like, we will have this love.
Your mother's like, I'm moving to Turkey. He's like, well,
then let's move back to South Carolina from Turkey. Like
you were very into working, and you got your first
job when you were fourteen or twelve.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, it was thirteen fourteen. I mean, I was selling
things since I was born.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, I know, I know. You were selling piggy banks.
You were when you were putting painting people's face. You've
been an entrepreneur, which I appreciate, you know what I mean.
So you've always been You've always had this spirit. But
there was a woman in your town that you admired.
I guess maybe her work ethic. Can you tell me
a little bit about.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Her, Miss Becky. She was this like powerhouse. She's kind
of like Dolly Parton adjacent, if I had to describe her.
She owned the video Junction. She was always opening new businesses.
She opened a restaurant, called the cripple crab when I
was in high school and eighth grade going to ninth grade,
and I went down and I applied everywhere that would

(12:36):
take an application, but I was too young, and then
she ended up hiring me, paid me under the table
to just be a hostess, but a little bit of everything.
It was my first real work experience and I loved it.
It was this seafood restaurant right off the interstate that
people would stop at on their way to Florida.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Okay, and you just loved it.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I love working, I love people.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
And I love Sally. I hope you do as well. Meanwhile,
we got to take a quick break. When we come back,
we will talk to her about work ethic and how
it's helped her build this growing empire. But more importantly,
what NBA player has her exact personality. If I had
to guess, I'd say Russell Westbrook. But that's just my opinion.

(13:23):
We'll see what she says. Back in a moment Welcome
Back to Naked Sports, the founder of Argent talks about
her style. Where does this work ethic come from?

Speaker 3 (13:41):
I have no idea. Probably my dad.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
My dad sold rugs my whole life I would follow
him around and go to work with him. I'd have
lemonade stands out in front of a store. I would
go into people's homes, and so I had exposure to
sort of all walks of life through that. And I
also watched how people treated him, some very kindly and
very warmly, and there was like a hierarchy, and you
could sense that it was just such a It was

(14:05):
again like I'll say this a lot. I just feel
very fortunate because my mom. I haven't talked enough about her.
She's also so strong, so powerful, like doesn't takes nothing
from anyone, you know, like she just doesn't. Yeah, you know,
she's she's a very strong woman. Yeah, but uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I just remember going to work with him and then
playing playing work for lack of a better.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Description, wow, and then you here's the thing. I used
to want to wash the dishes when I was I
used to think that was such a thing. I was like, Mom,
I'll wash all the dishes and she'd be like, okay, go.
And then when I really had to do it when
I was a teenager, I hated it. But that was
my thing. Like if if I were to tell you
what I was going to. I was the traditional little

(14:51):
girl tea parties. Let's wash dishes, where's my easy bake oven?
Like all the things my Barbie doll sets. And it's
so interest because there's that's such a part of who
I am in terms of like I don't necessarily like it,
but I am very girly in that way, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
There was so much magic in the boredom for us. Yes,
the kids don't have now, Yes, and so many things.
It's so many things. I really hate that my kids
just have this like expectation of immediacy and for us,
like we had to entertain ourselves.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
So and I'm on a farm. I don't even have people.
I don't have access to people.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
I had an older brother and that was it. And
so this is really where my love for sports came from.
I grew up that we didn't have cable. We have
three channels, and I would stay up super young five
six watching Scottie Pip and Michael Jordan, picture, Reggie Miller,
all of them.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
We did have a basketball hoop, so I'd go out
and play five on five.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I was obviously on the team with Reggie and Michael.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Of course, of course, as you scored the game winners.
It was always up to you. You listen, I was.
I just saw my grandmother a couple of weeks ago
when I'm in LA. She's ninety five, bus her heart,
She's the reason I'm in sports, bus her heart, and
she says to me, you know I was shooting three
poortners before they were a thing. I said, tell me more.
I was like everyone's stories of how they were superheroes

(16:16):
on the court. I mean, really, do entertain me. So
you you got the game winners. Mike passed the bout
to you? Did he pass?

Speaker 3 (16:25):
And I'd go head to head with Patrick Ewing. I'm
not always to make the shot.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
And then you know those rules that you those games
you'd play where it's like I have to make ten
shots in a row, be where I go, and I
have to make ten free throws whatever. Your hands would
be dirty because the ball's picking up the dirt.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, grown it. I loved it. I love you for that.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Did you play basketball in high school?

Speaker 3 (16:47):
I did. I played.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
I started playing sports in Hardyville, downtown Hardyville when I
was probably four or five, and I would play on
my older brother's teams, and I'd play with the boys
and so oh that was really fun.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's how that that's that makes you great, makes you great.
This explains your tough EXU. You're you're explaining so much
because you were you playing with the boys. They don't
they don't take it easy on you, not at that age.
They just are like whatever, we're all playing. Okay, So
what was your position like right now? If I started
a new w NBA team of professional women who just
always played basketball in college and in high school, and
I said, Sally, I want you to I want you

(17:23):
to come off the bench, how would you feel about it.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I'm a great shooter, not your point guard because I'm
not great with the ball, but shooting.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Okay, yeah, okay, I'll take it. I'll take it, Jelly,
I will take it.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Because you're pretty tall, I'll tall.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Are you five eight five nine?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Easy? Easy money right there?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Easy money?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
When you when you think of the world that we
live in right now, was there ever a time, and
by the way, we're not one hundred years old, but
was there ever a time where you thought women's professional
sports would have this much attention, this much, this much fandom.
If you will much interest. You know.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
It's funny because I didn't think about it because I
was a fan. The league was for WNBA was formed
when what year, nineteen ninety seven, Yeah, so I was twelve, Yeah,
and that was normal to me, and those players were
celebrities to me, whatever you want to call it. Sure,
I also grew up in a place where I didn't
even think going to games was a possibility. I didn't
think that, Like I just these people were like put

(18:19):
on a pedestal and they're on these got milk ads
and like that was my world.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
But I also was.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
I think learning so much from the sport too. That
has shaped me in my career now. And I think
that it is part of the reason that I have
such a great work ethic and wanted to work because
you see how hard it is to achieve greatness.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Like that consistently.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
So I think my point of view is that women's
sports has always been a big deal.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I was so wonderful. That's a beautiful thing. But me,
obviously you're in the minority, and people are just now
in twenty twenty four, twenty twenty two, if I'm being
honest with you, just now catching on these last three
years have been amazing for women sports and what people feel.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
I think this is the argument though, for representation and
what you do. Like, you're a woman covering women's sports,
and you've oftentimes had to go head to head with
some of these male talking heads and figures that are
trying to speak with authority to women's sports, which they haven't.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Paid attention to ever exact.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, so I think that's one of the reasons
it's so important to have that diverse perspective.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, you know, I think when I think about, look
the world that we are in and it's not and
this is where I do find our intersections. I think
that's some of the you. I mean, there's studies that
show women who are entrepreneurs usually have played sports, they
have some sort of sports background. It makes sense. And
I also know that I haven't watched you build a company,

(19:47):
but I know as the company was, you know, in
its early years twenty twenty. I remember what you were
telling me. It was because I think you guys started
in twenty seven, fifteen fifteen, so.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
We launched sixteen. Sorry, I started working at fifteen.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
And to seawards sea words. I mean, it's special. I
get it. Argent workware is not a thing. It like,
it's a community. You've created a really and I don't
want to say that it's elite because you're so open
to all women, but you have a very specific quality
of women you are, you are designing for, that you

(20:25):
were dressing, that are a part of that that that
seemed to be a part of this community. How would
you describe them outside of you know, and by the way,
most of these women, I'm sure if we went down
and listen as where they play sports, I'm sure they did. Right.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah, there's some step that like ninety plus percent of
C suite women in corporate America played sports, which is fascinating,
fascinating and not surprising. Of course, the entrepreneur statistic is
also unsurprising because it takes resilience and grit in a
way that I've never endured. Like it is just so intense.
You're facing rejection at every turn. You're being told that

(21:00):
you're like that your idea is not good from you know, inception,
and you're experiencing gender inequity in more glaring of a
way than I feel like presents itself anywhere else in society.
You don't even have access to capital, and like capital
is everything in the startup world.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
So in terms of now, I forgot what the question was.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I'm just like, you have created Oh yeah, really special.
And the women in the room are I'm happy to
be in community with them. They're very you know, who's
not even just who's who? I look. Hillary Clinton, former
First Lady Hillary Clinton, she you know, started to wear
yours when she was with the Barack Obama administration. She

(21:40):
was like, was she your first big Like, I'm wearing Argent.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
She didn't start wearing Argent until twenty seventeen. January twenty
seventeen is when we met. Yeah, I'll start by saying,
the women that we dress are the reason that I
do this. The mission of Argent is the reason Argent exists.
So the origin stories that I read a study that
showed that women are judge based on appearance, and that
study quantified the impact of what you wear on your

(22:04):
bottom line of your lifetime.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
It's really significant.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
And I had experienced shopping for work as a pain
point myself throughout my career.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
It's insane.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
How is that still you know, an overlooked category and
it's a massive business opportunity, but the driver, the driving
force for me to actually quit and start building. Argent
was born from the experience of being a woman in
corporate America and all the conversation happening around women, but
none of it really moving the needle. And I think

(22:33):
I saw an opportunity with the brand to really give
women tools to navigate their career and connect them because
there's so much power and connection and men do it
all the time.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
All the time. They do it on the golf course,
they do it everywhere, and we don't do it. And
you know what you do. I don't even mean to
cut you off. You know what you do. You have
no room for caddiness. You love it all. You love
everything that a woman is. If someone says she's a
bit your life, I love it. Someone says that she's
a boy like, I love it.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
If someone says, oh, she's too much, I love it.
You know, every every tall, skinny, short, not whatever, whatever shape, size, color,
you love it. You embrace it, you encourage it, you
dress them. And I'm just like, this is wonderful. You
don't get to see it. And as I said, Hillary Clinton,
Megan Markle wore your jacket the other day. I can

(23:25):
go down the list. Every one night I was on
CNN and just about everybody on the panel had on Argent.
You know what I mean, Like, it's everywhere. When you
see what you've been able to build and the women
who have embraced this, this community that you have built,
how does that make you feel? Oh?

Speaker 4 (23:43):
A million dollar question. It's so hard because and this
is how you want me to be. I'm always looking
at what's next.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
There are very few times where I've been able to
sort of sit in an emotion and acknowledge and appreciate
what I've been able to accomplish. One of those moments
was when Doris core Argent as the first woman to
ever Yeah I remember to ever cover. It was a
men's finals, I think in general, but it was the Celtics.

(24:11):
Who are they playing?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
It was the woman, a first woman to do. She
was doing play by.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Play, she was doing she was covering the gate what
do you call it? Commentator? Yeah, yeah she was.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
And she was the first to do a finals game
and it was the Celtics.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Was it Nuggets? Who do they play?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
I don't just passed the spa. Celtics played in the front.
It wasn't the Nuggets. Who did they play Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
It was it was Dallas. I have no recollection. They
just like they handled them. So it was like five.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Games or something. Yeah it was Dallas. Yeah, good for them.
Well that was a moment for you with.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yes, Yes, I remember sitting on the subway and just
like kind of sobbing, you know, like it just made
me really emotional.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Wow, that moment made.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
That moment broke through for me. I don't real not.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Hillary Clinton, not you know, the Duchess, not not whomever
else I've seen it, Like name the list, insert humanitarian here.
That didn't do it for you?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Huh? I, well, of course it does.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
I mean dressing the women that we dress, and a
lot of the women that we dress aren't household names,
but the work that they're doing just like gets me
so excited. So I think I'm just obsessed with work
as we've established and women that are doing the job
and oftentimes in a really thankless way. Yeah, And so
I think my motivation is like, how do we equip

(25:36):
this woman, how do we give her confidence? How do
we become part of that journey in a way that
enhances and is additive. How do we bring these women together?
I think Doris broke through for me because it was
this point in history and it was being acknowledged and celebrated.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
And it was and it was intentional, and.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
It was an intentional choice for her to wear Archin
as well. Yeah, and so that means so much to me.
And you have to understand that, like what you see
is is not what it's like behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, yeah, of course. And you don't try to make
it feel exclusive. You're very I mean, I can tell
you a story. You don't even know about this what
you do. But we were on a group chat and
one of my friends said, you know, there was this
and I don't want to get into the particulars, but
there was this woman who was going through a severe
court case and she needed help and they wanted to

(26:22):
reach they wanted to dress her, and they were just like,
who can give her a nice suit? I really want
to kind of put her in a position to win.
And immediately the first thing that we said was, you know,
you should ask Argent check in with Sally and without hesitation,
without hesitation, absolutely, how can we help without hesitation? And
I'm not saying that you walk on water and you're perfect.

(26:44):
But when I say, you are accepting of all and
you understand the struggle and there is no judgment about
who is this person. Oh, I'm in a gatekeep. You
can't wear Argent. I don't know who you are, even
though you have you could be well within your right
to do that because of the list of women who
are in your community, but you refuse because you're open
to everyone. There's something that is also to me. That's

(27:07):
a very activated, activist, philanthropic spirit that you have, and
it is a reminder of why not only I call
you an ally a friend, but just a really good soul,
like a really good soul, and it comes across that's
why you have success.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, it's a I like I want Argent to succeed
because we are building, like we're increasing our ability to
platform women doing remarkable things and our ability to support
women that deserve to be supported.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I think you were talking about this earlier, but.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
It's a result of the patriarchy that women have been
pitted against each other since the beginning of time. And
I'm not saying there aren't problematic women, of course there are,
but all women just deserve an equal chance, period and
anyone who is harming the cause is probably some when
I would say no too, So that's an exception. But
I'm really I just don't have time for them, and

(28:04):
I don't think that it's worth any of us paying
attention to those women. I think the focus has to
be on how do we give everyone equal opportunity and
you know that men have, and how do we focus
on some of these societal constructs that really disadvantage women
versus staying you know, staying small.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
That was a classy read. I just don't have time
for them, and I would probably just tell them no.
But I'm just about raising awareness for women who are
making it. That's called a classy read. I don't have
time for y'all. If y'all simple, no, no, no, no, no,
the doors are closed. But if you want to change
the world, come on, let's do it in whatever way
we can, small, big, large, however we're doing it. I

(28:47):
think that when I think of you, this is one
of the words i'd use to describe you. Competitive.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, what a compliment.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
It's a huge compliment. And I know, obviously now it's
your sports bund If you had to compare your personality
to anyone who played basketball, who would it be?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Ooh ooh what a question? Uh? I mean so this
is too based of an answer. Steph Currey comes to
mind immediately. It's like that confidence, you.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Know, really why tell me more stuff? Seems very affable
and likable, but when he's a killer, he's a killer.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
That it's that And I think, like I've had this
conversation a lot with folks where it's like confidence can
be read as arrogance, you know, And I'm like, no,
but confidence is necessary that level of sport, and in
business you have to bring that in its delusion at

(29:48):
times for me, where you know, these things that we
set out to do, we don't always maybe get one
hundred percent of what I like strive to get, but
we accomplish really remarkable thing because I'm like, I've dreamed
up these scenarios and then maybe we get option B,
but it's still incredible.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I don't know how to articulate.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yes, No, You're like I I dream big. There is
no limit, and if we fall within that range of
what I want, it's even bigger than I've even really
truly imagined. Yeah, And do you does that describe stuff
for you.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, I don't know this is I mean, I'm going
to be thinking about this all night. Stuff.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
That's too basic of an answer, I feel like, But
I feel like he does. He's he's a kind human.
I feel like what I read like, I mean read
in terms of what I see. Sure, And I think
that he will take the back seat as needed for
his team to maybe like a Brunson does this.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
He doesn't need all the accolades he is. Yeah. Yeah,
and he'll.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Do He'll take a pay cut for example, you know,
to ensure that they have the right team. It's about
it's about recognizing that it's not about individual, it's about group.
I don't I personally am not comfortable being out in
front of a camera that has come. I've been pushed,
I would say, uh, And it's kind of necessary because

(31:06):
just like people want to see the founder, they want
to connect with the brand. They want that authenticity that
comes with that, and it's good for the brand. And
I'll do anything for Argent. Yeah, but it's not where
where you live exactly. Yeah, who's I was going to ask,
who's yours?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I'm okay, And every aspect in every possible way that
tracks completely, the tracks completely. I wouldn't call myself a gatekeeper,
but Kobe's like, I can't trust you because every time
I give you the ball, you don't deliver. So I
can't be around you. If you're not in the gym
before I get there, then I don't know who you are.
How can I how can I bring you in? And

(31:42):
I've seen you haven't done what needs to be done,
and and what are your motives? Do you want to
win a championship or do you want to look good
in the process. There was this very famous, famous video
of when Kobe was on the Lakers. I think it
was probably twenty eleven. Then he's only been on the Lakers,

(32:02):
but he wasn't playing, he was out and he was injured,
and some of the players were jumping into they were
being interviewed afterwards, and they were jumping all around and
being silly, and they were all dancing in the mic
and you know, like, you know, being just you know,
having a good time. And they had only won like
one game over the last five games, and they Jimmy.

(32:24):
He was on Jimmy Kimmel. Actually, Kobe may have been
on his way to retire and now that I think
about it, But he was on jim Jimmy Kimmel and
I'll send it to you, and and Jimmy Kimmel goes,
what do you think of this? And he played the video.
Kobe just turns around and looks at him and he
doesn't answer the question. He was like, next question, please.
He was just so put out by how they're Shenanigans

(32:46):
and how silly they were, and the Lakers hadn't won
a championship and they were being so he was just like,
what are we doing. We're here to play. This is
not about attention and I love that. And there's a
do you there's this video of Kobe. I've posted it
recently during the anniversary of Made God Bless the Dad,
May he rest in peace, where he's with GG and
you see Anthony Davis coming over to talk to him

(33:07):
and Kobe made a face. And I didn't say anything
to my because I'm not gonna that's would be inappropriate
on my part. But all the comments are like, Kobe
didn't fool with aunt a D, Kobe didn't like a D,
Kobe didn't trust him, Kobe didn't think he was a killer.
Kobe like you can just tell are you cut from
the same cloth. He had to say he had the
issue with Shaq, he had the issue with Dwight Howard,

(33:29):
and sometimes Kobe could be the problem because he didn't
understand that you need to, as Rick Fox said, you
need to make us feel like you need us. You
got to bring us in. And I'm like, yeah, Carrie,
you it doesn't take. It's not just one person. So
that's why I feel him flaws and all. You know
what I mean, yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
I mean the the Luca videos are also, oh oh incredible.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I love watching Luca play. I love watching Luca play.
What did you think about that trait?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Oh, I think I've told you this.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
I'm now exclusively served NBA content on Instagram, which was
not the case before. It used to be a healthy
mix of like politics and a little NBA in like
a little fashion maybe and current events and culture and whatever.
But now it's all NBA all the time. I mean,
that trade is.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
What do you I mean? Just I thought it. I
didn't think it was real. I went to I thought
it was AI. I went to several sites I had
to reconfirm and confirm, and then I thought, well, what's
the problem.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
So that happened the night after. So I went to
the Knicks Lakers game. I remember, huh And then that
trade happened that night?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And what did you think?

Speaker 4 (34:36):
And I thought, lucky La great for Luca. The owners
in Dallas just are doing it for money. That's the
only explanation that makes sense. They didn't want to pay
him whatever they were on the hook to pay him. Yeah,
and maybe don't have a love of sport.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
OHK, like you you're a business owner. Was that a
good business decision?

Speaker 3 (34:59):
No?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Oh, at the inn of the day, don't you pay
that these twenty five years old you pay that, you
pay the kid.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
I'll say, I don't know enough about the business of basketball,
but and I know that contracts have gotten exorbitant, correct, Yeah,
but what I mean, what a gift to the Lakers,
What a gift? And Luca talking about players that you
see yourself like, he just has like a bit of

(35:25):
an attitude that I definitely have. There's something in him
that's fun to watch where he's just kind of like
pissed off, a little bit of schip on his shoulder,
which I very much. I think it resonates so much
with him, which which is why I love watching him.
He also there's a woman that works with him that
does such a great job with his brand. I forget
her name, I should know the Yeah, there's a woman

(35:47):
that has worked with him, I think the an entire
time he's been in the league, and I feel like
they've just done a really good job with his brand.
He's very likable. I think that's gonna be a great
move for him. I mean it is a great move
for him.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
That trade will go down as the word's really yeah, yeah,
it'll be at the thirty for thirty of why they
one traded him too. Then lied in front of the
camera Jason Kidd sitting there like I wasn't a part
of this, don't don't bring me into this. And then
three the intention to talk bad about him or put
out these stories that he's not really in shape and

(36:21):
his habits bothered people because he smoked hooka, whatever the case.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
Maybe what a gift for him if you said that
about me, I'd be like game on, baby, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
And that's how he responded. Of course, of course, no
matter what though, what it did, and I'll ask you
this as a business owner, what it did was let
everybody know. It put everyone on notice in the league.
No one is safe.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
I think that's good. I think that's a good outcome.
Go back a few years when the players were calling
the shots. Yeah, that's not great. Like I think that
there are some gms that deserve so much credit for
just knowing their craft so well. Sam, he's the best example,
I think. I think he's such a good GM. Okay,
see time and time again, has just built these teams

(37:06):
slowly but surely. Yes, and like they're always the afterthought
for folks. I feel like, Okay, see as a market,
but it's a great market. It's great teams, and the
players should not have the power. It's all the power.
The players should have some power. They shouldn't be abused.
But I don't think that they should call the shots
because they're not looking. They don't have the same priorities
as the business owners and the team and you know

(37:30):
they don't have the long view allway.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I look, I look once, once the inmates run the asylum,
things go crazy. I agree with you, there needs to
be some level of there needs to be balanced to that.
You're Sam PRESTI comment. I do agree with him, but
I always wonder, and this is another deep thirty for
thirty how do you get rid of how do you
have a team with James Harden, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Surge, Ebacha,

(37:53):
Kendrick Perkins, And they took the Lakers to the conference finals,
beat my Kobe and Lakers in company. And then and
then they start to lose pieces slowly but surely. I
always wonder, how do you do that? How did you
get to that point? Oh?

Speaker 4 (38:09):
What a great team, what a great era of basketball.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
It was a great era of basketball.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
I think you were dealing with some of the most
difficult personalities.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
All in one team. Though.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I mean, if you look at the team now, Presty wins,
like the team is excellent. To me, it's like one
of the best teams in basketball. I just don't think
you can be shortsighted and you cannot be attached to
one player or one team.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
You have to have the long view.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
The business is the priority as a business leader. But
taking care of your people and like making sure that
you're cultivating you know, the right community and culture and
connections and you're and I'm not great at this, Like
it's challenging to be as busy as I am, and
make sure that everyone within the team is taken care
of and that we're taking the time to all connect,

(38:55):
you know, meaningfully. But I think what you also have
to recognize as a player and as an individual is
that there is no single point of failure and that
everyone is replaceable, which is hard to say because we
have a rock star team right now, Like we've never
had as good of a creative director, we've never had
as good of a marketing team, and every individual on
that team, like our team is the best that it's

(39:16):
ever been.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
But you just you have to be pragmatic about it.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
You can't be emotional about it, and you have to
look at it as a business and people are going
to leave, and you just you kind of learn how
to manage that and sort of roll with the hits.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Taking a quick break, we'll be back in a moment.
Welcome back to naked Sports. I'm curious Argent has been
known to dress a guy or two. Who would you
like to see an Argent Russell Westbrook? Why is that wild?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
He has great style, He's so fun, He's I think
he's really sweet at his core.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I really love Nina. I think he could just pull
it off.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Isn't it interesting how time changes things. Russell for so
long was quiet and we didn't know much about him
when he was in Oka see, and then when he
started to be the main player. I think that was
a growing pain for him and for fans, right because
there was some mixed reviews about how people felt about him.
And then he came to the Lakers and he had,

(40:23):
you know, so much. People were just so mad at
him about for very many for very many reasons, none
really legitimate. And that was the very first time that
I saw him as a vulnerable being and talking about
how much it really bothered him. But I think it
bothered him because that's home. La is home. So you
finally you grow up watching this team, you finally get
to play on the team, and now you have to
deal with all of this this vitriol which is horrid

(40:45):
and play with and he plays with a chip on
his shoulder. Nina to me, is I call her? I said,
do you remind me of the first lady? She was like, well,
since you said it, I said, well tell me more.
She goes, we are both the same zodiac side. And
I don't remember what it was, And I was like,

(41:05):
I feel a lot of Michelle Obama around her, a
lot of a lot of peace, a lot of calmness,
a lot of self She's very self assured, right.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I think that she How do I explain this? I
think that she adds to my opinion or enhances my
opinion of him.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yes, if you picked her, that says everything about correct.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
And I love him. I think he's been through a
lot of downs, Yeah, a lot and a lot of
it unfair and he fair, that's very fair. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
And he's I think, had a really fraught relationship with
the media as well.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
His choice his choice, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
But but I saw him once at LAX. I actually
missed my connecting flight because I was just so excited.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I love but he was taught.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
To every single person that worked in that airport because
he's a hometown hero. But he'd had time for it,
and that really I think I already loved him because
he is that profile player that I love. His bouncy,
he's got a lot of energy. He's making, you know,
crazy things happen. But he was he had such kindness
and I think there is a kindness within him, so absolutely, Yeah,
and he's got style so to bring it back. He

(42:20):
has such great style. So you address him, what would
you dress him in? Oh goodness, I mean I think
that we I mean we'd obviously have to do something custom,
but something I think, something loud.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yeah, I think he could wear a pink power suit.
I do too, right, I've made like some white I
can see him some white sneaks and a pink power
suit doing the thing. I could totally. One time he
had on this red all red outfit when he was playing,
and when Barbara Watters was alive, she happened to have
on a red outfit and some photographer caught him and
they would put him side by side and said who
wore it best?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
And I was like, Russell.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Ward better than Barbara Waltzers.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
So yeah, so fun.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, So I can see that when you look at
front eye offices across the league, because you are a fan,
who runs the best front office to you? Who has
the best fund office outside of you?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Might say?

Speaker 1 (43:09):
You could say Boston. I mean, since you like them, so.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
I think I'm probably Boston. I think, uh, it's it's
what now. Brad Stevens.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, he was the coach.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yeah yeah, And I loved him as a coach and
I love him and I think that's a cool, a
good move. I think some of the players you know
where they're predated his move to front office. But I
am I mean I mentioned this earlier, Im Sam Prestigeal.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Okay, so you like their front office?

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I mean Rob Polenka. Though right now I'm just gonna.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Say, I was gonna say, do you how do you
like the This is just the latest move Rob has
made with the Lakers. Like there's been some moves that
we've over there since Rob has been in charge. Yeah,
we've been very unhappy with Rob's moves. As a fan
of the Lakers, We've been like, that didn't make sense.
There were opportunities for us to get to mar De Rozan.
We didn't get to mar De Rozan. We we wanted

(43:56):
he was another hometown hero we would have embraced who
still had enough that he went on that year to
do play so well and was an All Star for
the Chicago Bulls, And that was the year we could
have had him. And people were very disappointed and Robed
for not making that happen.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, I feel like Rob lucked into the Luca track.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I absolutely think that now and can you tell us
in the exclusive you bumped into him and you told
him he lucked into it. Had the conversation go.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
So I shared this with carry.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
I'm in so Hope just yesterday and I'm with my
husband and just.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
See the back.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
He's just very specific, his very specific look and style.
And so I just saw the back of his head
and I was like, that looks like Rob.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Oh, Rob Low, because he looks like Rob Low too,
like in a little bowl.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
No, really, it was just you. It was like that
was him.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
And then he turned and Dave was like, how on
earth did you just spot him? So then I said
congrats on Luca and he just kind of mumbled thanks,
and I told you this. But I'm like in his
head ys to be like, who is this crazy woman?
And also it feels good to be seen. I just
I am, yeah, I mean he is I.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Okay, what made you say congrats a Luca? I know
I see so many people I'd be even terrified to
say anything to him. What made you say congrats a Luca?
That's how big of a fan you are of the.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Sport I am.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
I don't say anything to anyone. There are people in
Soho all the time. He's not like a celebrity.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
At all, you know. And I feel like.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Generally athletes like being recognized by women that they don't
really expect to hear from.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I agree, and so I agree a little. I'm a
little looser there.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Oh no, yeah, your your your emotional intelligence is very
high on that. That is true. It's it stops them
in their tracks. They're surprised. Interesting. And so he said,
thank you, he said, he said, did he tell you
anything else about any other moves?

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Mumbled thank you? No, I'm like, what are you doing
in New York? And stay away from my next you know,
unless you're giving us Luca back back away.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I'm pumped about the next, right, I'm.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Just sorry to bring it back to basketball, Okay, I
just want to stay there.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
But it's been so fun living here and getting the
chance to next MSG.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
The next are looking good and such a fun team,
and uh, they would benefit probably from a Janis if
I know that that's rumored to maybe.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Be honest, came to New York, man, I mean you
should consider it, you know. Okay, tell me if you
agree with this theory. And people get upset when I
say this, but I think every superstar deserves a big market.
I think every superstar deserves a big market because they
deserve to play where they can really understand their power,

(46:36):
what it feels like, get the proper attention. I just
feel like they do I and that that's because I
grew up in a big market. So I'm really speaking
from a very narrow perspective. You grew up in a
very small town, so you would probably have a different perspective.
But business wise, tell me what you think.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I disagree because I think that don't sleep on the
small markets. And this is the same for Argent. It's
like we had an event last week in Saint Louis
and they're so overlooked that there's just this fervor that
comes from them that you don't get out of the
big markets because they're spoiled. And so I actually think
it would be fun to be I mean, I really

(47:14):
name any team, but like a Barkley on the Suns
or like a you know, I think it's probably fun
to be honest on the Bucks, because I think that
in Okay See, I think has a similar fan base.
There are just some smaller towns that are known for
being really like super fans because I think they get
so little.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, they get overlooked. They overlooked, as you said. Okay,
Also when you do have superstars in smaller markets, those
markets become the markets to visit. You find yours. I
would I'm like, why am I? We were in Okay,
see all the time? You know, or if you think
of you can't say that about Golden State. But in
the beginning, Golden State wasn't a destination, you know what

(47:54):
I mean. Like people, and you know you love your
twin staff, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I mean Thompson, that was my guy.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Oh was he really?

Speaker 3 (48:01):
He used to live in the Bay Area.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
When we would go to games when they were both rookies,
and nobody wanted to go to games they were so
bad and that's a really specific fan base, and so
we used to get tickets all the time and go
watch them play.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Mark Jackson was the head coach. Then.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Oh, Mark Jackson does not get his flowers enough.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
You know that, man, he does not. I remember my
first two or three years on first take and interviewing Steph.
Steph had these such a babyface, had on these baggy jeans,
and it was all star in New Orleans and we
were like well, what are you doing here? And then
Mark jumped in because Mark was on the set. Markc
Go's once again he was snubbed. I'm telling you right now,

(48:41):
I got the best backcourt ever in the history of
the NBA, and no one gives them the respect that
they deserve, referring him and Clay Stephan Clay and at
the time, I said, Steph, wouldn't it be great if
you were an All Star? He said it would be.
But I'm just going to participate in the three point
shooting contest.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
That's me. That's me, I feel saen. Should we call
this podcast? Steph Curry joins Argent.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Argent and Steph Curry joined the Naked Sports I'm working
with a name here. Something about Steph is in the
title I gotta work Tatum in thought. You have a choice.
You have a choice, and you're you gotta play two
on two and you only can take one other player.
It's you and Steph for you and Tatum Tatum. Okay,
So Steph is not he's your He's not so Tatums

(49:28):
your favorite.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Player, Tatums, my favorite player.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Steph is your personality.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
I think so I'm not Tatum personality wise.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Just love him.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Okay, so you and you and Tatum taking.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Up so fun to watch. He's so good. Yeah, you
enjoy him build.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
His build is great, but like his wingspane, like everything
about him and just how effortless and bouncy he is.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yes, you use it. Okay, so interesting you you saying bouncy.
I love that you use that term because that's actually
a really great term to describe. I remember you mentioned
Russell Westbrook talking to in his heyday. To me, he
was the most competitive, the most athletic player, and I love, loved,
love to watch him. Name drop coming, please ignore this
name drop. And when I was at All Star in Toronto,

(50:09):
I was very fortunate to talk to Michael Jordan and
I said, who's your favorite player in the league right now?
With not even blink, and he said, I'd pay money
out of my pocket because normally people give me free tickets,
but I'd pay money out of my pocket to watch
Russell Westbrook day in and day out. Top hands down
my favorite player.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Okay, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
And also I love to hear that for Russell Westbrook
because I feel like he just does not get enough
of another one.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
He's another one we can go down the list of
people who don't. And so what I gather is you
love those players who are great, but you also really
have a special affinity for those who you think have
not been able to shine or get enough shine.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Probably that is you.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Oh you know what, that's Rightums Curry was that for
a bit, But Tatum has that too, where I can't
tell you, I've been in countless rooms. First of all,
being a female sports fan, you experienced gender bias, like
right off the.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Bat, Oh that's cute, you know.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
But I'll be talking to our guy friends and they've
been so dismissive of Tatum because they couldn't clinch the finals,
and and you know, and he's struggled to show as
they all have, young as they all have, and he's young,
and I just watch him sore now. And so to
watch him win last year and then to just watch
like them their continued growth and success is so exciting

(51:23):
to me. So yes, I like people that are like
perceived underdogs a bit.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah, I have that, okay, hmm I when we think
about the finals, I do remember this moment now that
it's coming back to me, and we had had a
brain part Jason Kidd tried to pit Jaylen Brown and
Jason Tatum against each other, as you remember remember, and
that he was he was like, I don't know who's
the superstar. He was saying all these things, and then
they came right back in the press conference and answered,

(51:49):
I'm proud of Brown. I'm proud of like he's my
Like they refuse to let him get in their mind.
And I thought that was brilliant.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Do you remember now? You remember now?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I remember?

Speaker 3 (51:59):
It just was close at all, So I don't even
think of like I felt.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Like this it wasn't even a real competition, correct, Yeah, huh.
Congratulations to you in the Boston Celtics. I I I
am proud of you.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
I have a friend, Rebecca Grace. She's a celebrity stylist
lives in LA. She and I went to the game
together last week. It was Pelicans Lakers, and she and
I are similar. I think women are like this. I'm
going to speak to how our fandom works. Yeah, I'm
not really like I don't have an attachment to a
team a little bit to the Warriors, but I'm a
player fan and I think women do this where it's

(52:30):
like they're just I like to pick certain players that
I just root for.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Well, yeah, you have to do that to me. To me,
this is why the WNBA is taking off. If you
know a single player and you know their storyline, you
you're invested. Now. I want to know who's playing against
them and what team is that, and why does she
not like that player? Why does he not like that player?
And what is the history between the two and the
next thing. You know, you're a fan of the entire
league and or sport, depending on where you're whatever you're watching.

(52:56):
That makes perfect sense to me. It's not it's not
like you have to know the ins and outs. You
there are things you probably know about certain players that
I just don't know. I wantn't read that about them,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Totally?

Speaker 4 (53:07):
Yeah, I from a business perspective, to switch gears, I
am curious to know more about future of the NBA
because I've now been doing the steep dive into NFL.
I'm not as big of a fan of the NFL,
but the business of the NFL is so massive and
they've been so strategic and so but yeah, I think
the that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
So you look at the way they do business and
think about how you do business.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I think I think it's like it all goes together.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
There's something with sports that's obviously very adjacent to business, culture, politics,
Like there's so much overlap. I mean, that's why this
podcast exists, you know, Like, yes, but I think that
there's so much to be learned from one another as well.
But I'm just sort of a business enthusiast, and so
if you look at the history of the NFL, it
sort of defies logic that it's where it is now

(53:51):
and that way.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I feel that way about your business, it defies logic.
Great carrier, not in a bad way, but it's just
like you'd overnight overnight to me, not to you. You're like,
I'm not an overnight success, honey. But when people say
that about what you first st up on the scene, like,
I've been at this all my life but to me
and I can't quite I don't have the words yet
to describe it in a way that really can quantify

(54:14):
what I've been able to see. But when I think
of what you've been able to accomplish, and how you
are married and how you have kids, and how you
have relationships friendships that you nurture and that I'm like,
when does this woman sleep?

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Okay, you don't believe in it?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Huh, I've given up sleep. I'm not proud of it.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
No, it's really exciting. I mean it has been a
ten year overnight success. Yeah, it's more energizing and exciting
right now than I feel like it ever has been.
It has been for the last few years, but right
now in particular, just given all that's happening in the world,
we stand for something so clearly, and that's for women
and feel like we can show up for them in
this moment when there's an assault on our rights. And

(54:54):
that's something that I'm finding joy and at a pretty
bleak time.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
But you're saying it in a way like if someone's listening, so, well,
how does a clothing line do that you have created that?
That's why I say they defies logic. How if I
think of a clothing line and I think of the
ethos or or what it represents, I would say that
I think that there have been some key moments over
the last couple of years that you and I have
been able to agree on. And obviously we weren't happy

(55:21):
with the outcome of the election. We really weren't. But
when I saw you prior to the election, I saw
you maybe it was a few maybe a few days
a week before the election at Michelle, maybe in August,
Michelle Obama's when we all vote.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
She knew, she knew, she.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Knew then too, But she did the good work right,
and you and I were able to have our key
keep because we're silly. We have a lot of fun
moments together. And and I think that you, I think
that you underestimate your your magnetic personality. That is, let
me give you these flowers. That is understated and simple

(55:59):
and effort, but it's magnetic. Magnetic. People are drawn to you,
like if we spend two minutes talking to you, we
are drawn to you. Black, white, purple, green, tall and short,
all of us. And it is an authenticity that that.
And you keep this this pleasant demeanor. But I know
that you know your staff, You're a killer. You shoot

(56:20):
from the logo, you know what I mean. And I
know that, and all of that is wonderful because that
makes up who a lot of us are, and some
of us are afraid to show all of that. And
you live in this ease of that is me. But
I don't I still don't know how you do it all.
Like I just look at you, I go, I don't
know how she does it.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
I feel the same about you.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Uh, that's actually I feel like, I mean, look at
all that you do.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
It's I think about this too. You're one of the
people that I think about.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I feel like I'm more tired than you. I feel
like, excuse me, I feel like you should be extremely more
tired than me. Like I look at you and I
get tired. I'm like, when do you when you take
a break.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
I think I've found my purpose, Like, I really love
what I'm doing. I have always I've been confident since birth,
and my parents have always said that, and so I
think I've well, I've witnessed a lot of women that
don't They don't speak up for themselves or you know,
society even like to me as well, there were so
many things that you just internalize that are said to

(57:23):
you girls aren't good at math, like this, that and
the other. As you're growing up, and so you kind
of second guess some things. And now that I'm on
the other side of it, I want to raise awareness
as much as possible and be hopefully impact careers and
women's careers and what they ask for and what they
raise their hand for and ensuring that, like we we
control so much of our own happiness, you know, And

(57:47):
it's a lot about mindset and perspective, et cetera. And
so if I'm going to be employed by someone, you're
lucky to have me, and yeah, you know, and I'm
going to show up as my full self. And if
you don't like that and it doesn't work out, like
it's your loss, and that's the best outcome. But I'm
not going to show up and not speak up and
speak my mind. But I want everyone to have that,

(58:10):
Like women deserve that so much. We're constantly shout on.
We've all been through so much gender and equity. It
happens every single day. And so I think that, like,
I'm a person that's comfortable to call it like I
see it, and I'll call it someone's face. And so
if that helps influence a woman or a man to
behave differently in the future, great, that's that's how I

(58:31):
want to use.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
My Well, listen, yeah, you preach to the choir. I'm like, well,
where is the plate? Can we give her some sort
of tithe and offering for preaching. Okay, so Pastor Sally,
before I let you go, Deaconess Sally, before I let
you go, They say, women and I have several careers.

(58:54):
There are several jobs that we have throughout our lifetime.
Literally some you might be a pivot and maybe adjacent.
It may be an entirely new career. And I know
that you were in tech right and now you have
this overnight success that happened ten years, this overnight success.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Quick.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Do you see a world where you would run for office?
From my understanding, I know that you love policy, but
do you ever see a world where all of this
passion that you have to make sure that women are
treated fairly and our rights and to restore our rights
in so many different ways? Do you see yourself leading
a different type of cause outside of argent?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Very kind question.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
I can see myself doing a lot of things. I,
as I've mentioned, hate being in the spotlight. It's actually
my nightmare to think of being a politician. I do
think that that is what's problematic about our current situation
is that a lot of women are not raising their
hand because we've made it dangerous to be a politic,
especially as a woman, and we're not getting representation that's

(01:00:04):
reflective of America right now, and that's really unfair and unfortunate.
There's a whole litany of reasons as to why that is.
I think for me, my cause is women always will
be women. I think there are ways that I can
influence that it won't be in political office. I don't
know what's what's life after this. I'm like, this is
the happiest I've ever been at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I just wonder if you ever because you're saying
I'm always looking in your head, you are. I wonder
if something will come out of nowhere and you're like,
well maybe not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
No, definitely not, or maybe I'll try that an introvert.
Yeah it's fortune.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Yeah, but yeah, no, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Never I am. I'm right there with Michelle Obama. I'm
all set. I'm like, I won't do it. I'll do
it a quick story.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
But when I did see her, I was like, you know,
I'm optimistic about our chances and she was silent, and
it's like one of the most it's like one of
the just bleakest memories that I have from the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Lead up to the election. Because I think like women
especially were hopeful. Very I was hopeful. I was hopeful progress. Like,
it's great that we were hopeful.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
We're getting one step closer to being able to imagine
a woman in office. The reason that it's been such
a hurdle for America is because we can't imagine a
woman because you've never seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
We've never seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I think, you know, that doesn't go away just because
we elected a narcissist, sexist, all the iss most deplorable,
ignorant failure of a human. As much as they want
to keep women in a traditional role, I just think
that it's already out, you know, and that progress doesn't

(01:01:50):
go away, and we're going to continue chipping away at
like all the you know, the gender inequity that exists
in our society. So I'm actually like hopeful to find
all logic and odds right now, but I think that
the pendulum will swing in a pretty extreme way back
towards women in progress.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
If Michelle had said nothing when I said, and I
would have said that to her, I would have then
had a bit of a warning and it wouldn't have
hit me so hard. But now that it's all said
and done and we're hearing the stories in the post mortem,
we're hearing that, you know, a lot of people knew
what was going to be a long shot. I wish
we would have known so that we could have tried

(01:02:28):
to correct. I wish that would have became more public
than us thinking, you know, white men for Harris, white
women for Harris, and all of these actors for Harris,
and athletes for Harris, all these groups are coming out
of the woolwork. We're like, this is our momentum, this
is our time. And I think, and look, who knows
it is what it is? We are where we are.

(01:02:48):
But I think that I think that, to be honest
with you, I think Barack and Michelle knew early.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
On they did. I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah, I think that, And that's and that's what started
the divide within the party.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Despite all of that, Like, it wasn't a blowout. It
was the difference of two hundred thousand votes across seven states. Yeah,
thirty plus percent didn't even show up to vote. Yeah,
And I am certainly an optimistic person, but I also
think that humans are generally good people, and so I
think it's really easy to appeal to fear.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
And yes, weaponizing fear is dark. Yeah, and it's what
they've done. But people are going to react when it
affects their pocketbooks. And it's already happening and we're seeing terrible,
terrible approval ratings. So I just to me, my role
in this is to ensure that we show up for
the women that we dress and that are in our
community or whoever needs support. It's about continuing to show up,

(01:03:43):
continue to es our voices, and continue to get together
alongside the men who are allies. We're going to keep
doing it. And I'm feeling I'm feeling fiery. I think
after the election, I wasn't. I was I was tired.
I take that cape off and made it a blanket
and went to bay it and I I was dying.

(01:04:04):
But no, I'm back. Yeah, We're we're back. Sally, thank
you so much for being on this podcast. Do we
did we get any Do we need to know if
anything that Argine is up to so people can support,
Do I need to we need to promote anything?

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
I just have to say thank you for having me.
This is my actual dreams, as you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
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