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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Puffy was a good friend of me and Snoopy and
the DPG, so Big and Shug said that, you know,
we had to ride with our squad and that that
was the key. So the East Coast West Coast War
was really Sugar and Puffies misunderstanding. Then the media pumped
(00:26):
it up to that. Today on Naked, Ricardo Emmanuel Brown,
you know I'm ask corrupt. Welcome to my childhood. On
this episode of Naked, every champion and carry champion is
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to be a Champiana champion and carry champion, and carry
Chapiana Champion and carry champion and carry champions and sports
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with the public seas. So here's your favorite celebrities behind
the scenes. It's refreshing. Then the whole story specific life
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all to rendivents to shape the person that you here.
We gotta champion, they carry champion. They girl, you did it.
It's the greatest of sports and entertaining. Connected with every champion,
they carry champions to be a champion of champion they
carry Champion, they Kota Champion, they carry Champion, they carry
Champion Sports and then the Taming Cannaked Wippen. So little
housekeeping before I talked about our guest. This is our
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last episode. We're officially wrapping season one of Naked and
it has been a success, and I want to say
thank you to everyone who has bought in, who has listened,
who has had my bat. It takes a while for
a podcast to grow because there's so much out there, right,
there's so many podcasts out there, so it takes a while. UM,
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and we are doing our best to bring you true,
authentic stories. And this was a wonderful season, a wonderful team,
a wonderful group of people. So thank you to my
Heart and thank you to Black Effect. Because season two
will be well underway sometime in April. We're gonna take
a minute to regroup, regather, um, add some new things,
(02:20):
find some more great guests, et cetera and Amber stand
So I am so excited. I got to thank the
staff because they have been nothing but great. Everyone's amazing.
I'll try to list everyone at the end of today's podcast,
but thank you guys for taking this journey with me, downloading, subscribing, listening,
and with that being said, uh, this last episode, this
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last episode is apropos in a few ways. You've listened
for five minutes. You know, I'm from l A. I
grew up in Pasadena, but you know went to u C.
L A born and raised. Much of my my high
school and college years were and even should just all
of my my years there is defined by West Coast Wrap,
Gangster Wrap, and w A ice Cube, Dr Dre. Everybody
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broke off you their own thing. I was here. Snoop
comes into the picture. Snoop brings on dog Pound and
I'm I'm in love and I and I have this
funny story to share with you. Because dog Pound, I mean,
say what you want. It means everything to me. I
remember when I first started working at ESPN, Snoop and
dog Power performed at my very first SPEs party, and
(03:27):
when I tell you, when Corrupt came on, I lost it.
I exploded. I lost it. I exploded, meaning I could
wrap every single lyric to some of the raunchiest songs,
if you will, but that they were just lyrics. You know,
I I wasn't who I am today, So it's kind
(03:50):
of funny singing me and my friends because all my friends, right,
my contemporaries, we love some dog Pound and it's funny.
We're listening to us go nuts over a DJ quick
even for that matter, Like you know, that is the
hoodest of puddest and inappropriate lit bitch this bitch that um,
but we love it. I'm not perfect, but I am
being honest. I am a fan. So with that being said,
(04:12):
today we have Corrupt on the show. I'm smiling because
I got to wrap with corrupt. I don't know if
we're putting it in, but I got to wrap with corrupt.
Y'all know, I wanted to be a rapper, but my
mother told me I couldn't be. When I was exactly
how it was I wish. She told me I couldn't
be a rapper, probably a sixteen, and I was like, Mama,
want to be a rapper. She's like, no, you don't.
So that killed that dream. I really was about to
(04:34):
be like Supersonic or a Salt and Pepper saw and
Pepper's here and we're nf okay, Yeah, I don't know
nothing about that. Meanwhile, today's guests one half of the
rap duo The Dog Pound along with Dash that bleep Dash,
I know, Dad bleep Dash. Uh. He had his first
(04:57):
solo album eight. Uh. They obviously broke up Dog Pound
broke up for a minute, but they got back together,
thank God, because we need them. Uh. And Corrupt specifically
tells a story of a guy who didn't even grow
up in l A. I'm surprised he has such a
West Coast vibe. I thought he grew up in l A.
(05:19):
But he split his time between Philly and l A.
Between Philly and l A like how you go East
coast west coast. That's why his unique sound was developed.
I believe, at least my in my opinion, I believe
he has such a unique sound because he lived in
both worlds. If you will, on both coasts, if you will,
UM give you a little gossip. Did y'all know that
(05:40):
he was engaged to Foxy Brown for two years? Did
y'all know that? Okay, none of my business, but he was.
Obviously they didn't get married. Uh. But he is now married,
happily married, and his wife is lovely. She serves as
a publicist. She helped us a lot with this, but
it was really good for me to be able to
talk to him and get some really and information. Y'all,
(06:01):
we're talking about death Row. We're talking about the beef
between East Coast and West Coast. We're talking about how
it all culminated at the Source Awards. Google it if
you haven't heard about it, the Source Rewards. Do y'all
remember when sug Night, now in jail, then in charge
of death Row Records, jumped on the stage and was like,
if y'all don't want y'all rapper, if ya don't want
(06:22):
your producer all in the video and dancing and your videos,
and he was really going at Ditty at the time,
or Pop whatever his name is at the time, and
then Snoop came out and was like New York and
got no love for Snoop dog and a dog pal.
I don't remember that, Please google it because that's when
sadly things escalated, and that's when we lost two of
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the greats. We lost Vige and we lost Pop because
of these wars, and they still have been quote unquote
unsolved mysteries. However, I asked Corrupt about that, that that war,
if you will, that battle, if you will, and he
didn't really want to talk about it, but he did,
and he should have some interesting light. Um, and I'm
just excited that he's here. It's a slice of history.
(07:07):
It's it's my childhood, it's my early adulthood. It's me.
It's West Coast Rap. Today's guests on Naked, Getting Real, Naked, Corrupt,
enjoying being born in Philly. It's like basically being born
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in hip hop because that's all it was back then,
discoing hip hop and music, you know, and so it
just created my musical roots, you know. And um, I'll
be honest with you. You You know, when I was born,
my father moved my mama out of Philadelphia to the suburbs,
(07:50):
Darby Township that was a suburb, uh to five Sharon Hill,
and that's where I spent the majority of my time,
between there and North Philly and Germanytown. But that gave
me all my flavor right there. So when I moved
to California sixteen, it was a very big change, whole
(08:12):
different lifestyle. And you know, I was great at what
I did, which was the mic. So when I crashed
my mama's car and she said, boy, you got together,
and that's what got me. You know. They say it's
a positive in every negative. So when I crashed the cow,
(08:33):
that's what got me sent to California with my father
because he's from Philly. But he moved to California and
changed my life. Yeah, that's where my father moved to.
He was living in Compton and he moved to Hawthorne.
He wanted me to have a better life than being
in County. So yeah, I moved to Hawthorne. But the
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difference was just different mentality, you know, uh, a different
way to to live and survived, a different way to
be on the streets, different schooling, different everything. You know.
I'm so used to Philadelphia way of life, Sharon hillway like,
and then to move to California, which is uh a
(09:15):
lot a lot faster pace, I should say. They moved
so fast at the house in California, and I wasn't
used to that type of environment, even though I visited
every summer since I was nine eight to Cometon to
see my father, but just to actually live there, I
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wasn't used to what they like. I had blue shoes on,
you know, A little boy younger than me told me,
you gotta take them shoes off or like, what do
you mean? See? I was used to that in phil
In Philly, it was a different thing. So I never
got approached with anything like that because I didn't go
to that that type of environment. You know, my mama
kept me sheltered from that. I came live. She did it,
(10:01):
she did, And when I got to California, there was
no shelter. So I was around the streets young and old,
and that was pretty weird to me, Like, take off
my shoes. I ain't taking off nothing. Well, boy said,
I'm gonna go to my house and go get my
gun and shoot you. I said, ship. And then Philly,
you know, they was taking people shoes. So here we are.
(10:24):
We have this kid who is from Philly, moved to
l A when he was a teenager to be with
his dad, and he has an interesting take, an interesting style,
and interesting vibe. And so in my mind, am I like,
all right? So how you meet Snoop? How did the
evolution of what we now know as the Dog Pound begin?
(10:46):
And he tells a very interesting story of how it
was just a bunch of kids sitting around wrapping and
he met Snoop once and they had a battle and
Snoop said, if I make it, I'm gonna come get
you and vice versa. I saw she wrote yeah at
the roxy right, So Domino was performing, So all the
Long Beach came out to support Domino, and then, um,
(11:12):
we all all l A came with me. You know,
I grew up when I left off for him, when
my dad kicked me out and I was teaching me
how to be a man, said you wouldn't be out there,
you're gonna do that. So I was living in the
neighborhood Chris shawn Slawson fifty nine over Tony Tobins. So, um,
(11:37):
all of the l A came out for me. So
you got Long Beach and you got Los Angeles all
in the same senate. So we all met up in
the parking lot after this after the show and Domino one.
So you know, Long Beach was feeling real, real dandy,
and so we started, you know, my sit to Diamond
(12:00):
was the kid because she was just talking a bunch
of ships partner and then you know, she basically you know,
it was like no corrupt is that? And third and
it was like, oh yeah, Bob. So we all started
a little rapsite and then Snoopy came from the crowd
and he was like okay. I mean I'm a bust
(12:23):
one and Dog was basically he buzzed. It was like
a battle and he was the only one that can
keep up with me. I'll tell you that much. Boy
he was. He was too good because he was so slick.
I mean, he was just real slick. I was a
beast I had that. It was Delf to five fled,
I was about to Mike and Snoopy was just so cool.
(12:45):
But he rocked the crowd and then he was hitting
me with little wops and that's how we met, you
know what I'm saying. And by the end of it,
we both said, whoever make it first, um, you know,
come get me. We both agreed. And then Dog one
he got with Dr Dre and he saw my sister
(13:08):
Diamond at a picnic and then he said, call Corrupt.
I couldn't believe you remember my name. I think he said,
call your homeboy, what's your onboard name? Again? Diamond was
like Corrupt and he was like yeah, Ca And she
called me and like I'm here with Dr Dre and Snoop.
Remember Snoop. I was like Snoop from Long Beach. I said, okay,
(13:33):
and She's like, I'm here with him and Doctor Dre.
And I was like, yeah, you're lying. She said, hold on,
Dr Dre want to say something to you, hey man,
Yeah right, and then yeah, what's up? What's up? Corrupt?
I was like, damn this Dr Dre, because this is
Dr Dre. What's some doctors? Right? Oh yeah you know?
(13:56):
Uh yeah, we have to pick like you coming through. Yeah,
I'm on my way now. He said, all right, come up,
I said, but get that Dr Dre. I knew it.
So that's how we met. Uh, it was Roxy Roxy
And then I went to that picnic and Dog made
it like a year and a half, I think maybe
a year or two. A year and a half after
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we first met, he made it and he kept his
promise to me, you know, he brought me in. So
a friendship was born. What I believe is a truly
dynamic duo. And the dog Pound was born, and just
Snoop in the dog Pound, it was a special that
was the time, and they still do it now, but
they don't do it like they did it like. So
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you have to understand from me, the genesis starts with
easy and n w A and from that he we
got ice Cube and from that ice Q created Mac
ten and then from that we had Snoop from Dre.
Dre gave us a dog pound. UM. And when we
see how all of these artists were able to create
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other artists and put other people on, we got some
great music. We really did. But unfortunately it was a
time in which and I don't even know if I
understand it, but it was a time in which it
became a battle. And I don't know why. I don't
know where the genesis of the East Coast versus West
Coast rat began. I do remember that. UM. I felt
(15:20):
like it was unnecessary when we lost two of the
greatest in pac as well as in Biggie UM. And
so I asked Corrupt about that, because I haven't really
got his take. He was there, he witnessed it. He
knew at least he was around Sugar and Dre and Snoop.
(15:41):
He knew Puff, he knew what was happening at the
Source Awards. He was there. And so I said, tell
me what you think happened. I've seen many a documentary
and many people talk about it, but if you can
give me your naked perspective, you know it's crazy that
you bring this up because I really, you know, I
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have not had an opportunity to really talk to people
about it. When it comes to this thing we call
the East Coast West Coast War, which was really pumped
up through the media because it never was the East
Coast West Coast War. The wars were between individuals and
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then the entire coast that they were from smashed and
pushed the line for their side. So this issue was
about Puffy and should Sugar Puffy. Puffy was a good
friend of me and Snoopy and the DPG so big,
and when Sugar said that, you know, we had to
(16:46):
ride with our squad and that that was the key.
So the East Coast West Coast War was really Sugar
and Puffies misunderstanding. Then the media pumped it up to that.
He did not say, y'all, they ain't got no love.
(17:08):
He asked the question, you ain't got no love for
Snoop dog and Dr Dre. You're telling me that East
Coast don't love us. We know where we act because
you'll ain't got no love for Snoop Doggy Dr Dre.
We'll give it up then, and they gave it up
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cause he Snoop smoothed it out, and that's always been
the chance. That's always been the dog, because the dog
knows how to talk to the people. Because really, no
misunderstand Suke said what he said. He don't like Puffy,
but that's their issue because at the time, to be honest,
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we did like me. He snooped the dog found, but
she had an issue, and these type of things happen.
You I let men be men can do their issue,
even if they're both your friends. So it wasn't for
us to get involved with. But dog was just like,
you know, hey, man, this is not the East coast
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West coast problem. This is not what she said that. Okay,
they'll talk, they'll figure it out, but y'all don't love us.
And that was real because we was in the East coast.
So we are still get home right. We still have
to get home right. But you don't. Ain't nothing gonna
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get you home more than the reels. So dogs spoke
the reels, you know what I'm saying. So hey, you know,
if you talk to talk, you gotta walk the walk.
That's called life, that's the streets, and that's in anything
that you do. You you're manifested. It it might come
true so you'd be wary of what you manifested. And
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it was a great loss for hip hop in general.
And I see a lot of New Yorkers people from
the East always talk about the Mecca and where it started,
not really respecting, loving, and knowing what that meccha created.
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It's like a tree. The tree is, it grows, but
then the tree grows and have branches, so many branches
of hip hop, and you can't control those branches from growing.
They all have their different versions of what hip hop
means to them, which should be respected. And that was
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the whole problem between everything. That was a problem was
no respect. You know, somebody disrespected somebody and not recognizing
that power that if they create this problem with that
person the whole John Drew will following. The knowledge is powerful,
(20:05):
so no one had that knowledge back then. Everybody looks
at it like they knew what they were doing, But
me personally, I don't believe anybody knew what they were
doing at the time. This was all new to all
of us. This success is fame and like the Spider
Man movie, with great power, of great responsibility, and I
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don't think any of us knew that at that time
or right now, you know, and that's called your youth.
You were all young, so it's a learning experience that
we all had to pay for. Unfortunately, Biggie and and
Pop paid for it with their lives. Puffy paid for it,
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should paid for it. We all paid for it, not
respecting that power that God gave through music. And I
think that's what makes it a little bit better nowadays.
Except for now the youngsters are fewing amongst each other.
They're a little bit different than we are because they're
(21:12):
more aggressive and more hands on. You know, then we
were back in the days because we had great teaching.
I don't know what teaching they have nowadays, but we
had teachers in our days that I tell us to
chill out, kicked back, No, you don't want to do that,
and that's what kept us away from a lot of stuff.
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And as soon as the teachers was gone, do you'll see,
we made a bunch of mistakes ourselves. So you know,
the reality is, you know, just like Philly giving me
my own streets, what a privilege, what honor? And you
know that's the hometown where I was born, and really
it was the suburbs of filling it with Sharon Hill
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to five. That did that for me. It showed me
that love and that respect, and um, you know that's
the main thing to be missing why these problems happened
is the lack of respect. So you know, we're still
here and we made it, you know what I'm saying.
Sense And and it was very it was very life threatening.
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Oh boy, all right, I gotta pay some bills as
we do. Uh, stick around because you don't want to
miss this story. Corrupt still here with us on naked.
Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion,
a champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappian. A champion
and carry Chappion and carry chappids and sports and entertaining
can make you work. Every champion and carry champion is
(22:45):
to be a champion, a champion. They carry Chappion and
they champion, They carry Champion, they carry Chappion, sports and
entertaining can. He's now a mature adult. He is still
a rapper though, but very grown. And why in so
many ways, Ricardo Emmanuel Brown, you know him as corrupt
here on Naked, So I appreciate him sharing what he
(23:10):
believes inspired and ultimately cause that battle. And it's sad
at the end of the day, it's that the way
you look at it, no matter what, there's room for
everybody to eat. But in that and in all the
unfortunate outcomes, there was history that was made. In my opinion,
for me, Corrupt was a part of a movement um
(23:31):
and now that West Coast gangster rap movement, and it's
not even gangster rap, but that West Coast wrap, that feeling,
that sound is now being carried out by the likes
of Kendrick Lamar. May you rest in peace of Nipsey
Hustle like that that vibe that only you can get
from being somebody who grew up in the streets of
(23:52):
l a and let it translate to something that's beautiful
and hip hop is what we were able to witness
with the Dog Pound. And I asked Corrupt, I said,
how do you feel about being part of history? And
I say that because we saw what this year Super
Bowl was. While it was an ode to hip hop
and soul, it really was some sort of in my
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opinion and acknowledgement of what West Coast rapp did for
hip hop in general. And it was beautiful. Y'all saw
them krip walking y'all saw them sea walking. It was beautiful,
and when you look back on it, you can then see, okay,
I was a part of history. So I asked, from
that perspective, do you realize that you were really part
(24:36):
of a movement? You know? To be honest, this I've
never understood it. I've I've learned through God. And there's
some things that's not meant to be understood and meant
to be lived, experienced, loved, and enjoyed. Because you're never
(24:56):
under you'll never understand it, especially when you live your dream,
when you have a dream and it comes true. I
learned something back in the days from a wise white man.
And the white man told me. This white man he
(25:17):
was an elder. Of course, he said, you never know
when you're making a history, because you're making it. You
never know, and that's why you make the mistakes that
you make. And he said, the key is when you
make these mistakes, and as you make his history, when
you realize that you're making history, and when you realize
(25:40):
your mistake, did you learn anything off of? If you
didn't learn anything off of, it was vain. If you
learned something off it's called growth. But what are you
gonna do now. So I took that ain't me gave
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me and realized, now this is eight to ten years
after the history I made. Okay, so I'm like, wait
a minute, what's this ship gonna do for me? Now?
I should add this game when we was number one?
You know what I'm saying this? And then I realized that,
you know what, it never stops and you're gonna continue
to make history if your mind is right. Also, if
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you have the right team, you know and what you learned,
you continue to make history. People will continue to support
you through your ups and you downs and tell you
the truth. I don't I've never understood it to this
day of how you know, people love love us so
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much as many mistakes as we've all made, and they
still not only love us, but they appreciate our music.
And you know, I live my dream. And then I realized,
you know what, I'm still living a dream every day
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and God is the key to it all. Just to
be real, I don't want to sell corny, but it's
just it's just real. You know, God is the key
to it all. Faith and belief. You know, my mama
passed away ten years ago, going on eleven years next year,
and as she passed away, she's her teachings still remain
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and me, those are the things I remember which keeps
me humble and hum ability is the key to any
success and longevity. And the new generation they'll learn that
if they can make it like we did. And as
we close with Corrupt, here's a moment for me where
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I get giddy. I don't think he really understood what
a fan I was and what he meant to my
childhood in terms of just when I hear that music,
what it takes me back to, what it reminds me of,
how much fun I have, what kind of mindset I
immediately embrace while listen to Snoop and the dog Pounders,
the dog pound in general. And he in turn says
to me, which blows me away. You know he's a fan.
(28:15):
I'm like, you're a fan of who me? What? I'm
a fan of you? And that I ask what's next?
Everyone thinks something is like when you be when you're
a rapper. It's almost like rappers aren't allowed to age
or evolve, and I disagree. I think you can steal
a rap. I think you can steal evolve. I think
you can also you can also still create music. It's
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a different type of music, but you can still do that,
and that is exactly what he is doing so corrupt.
Thank you for coming on the show, and thank you
for the compliments. Another thing is I've been we've been
following y'all as well. You know, we listen to y'all,
and this is such a privilege to be a part
of this because y'all, y'all are humongous in this game
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and just giving me this time. I appreciate it and
thank you and get ready for this new Dog Pound album,
dog Food Too, Me, Snoop and Dazz. Yeah, let me
tell you what I was told according to this you
Snoop and Dass. It says right here dp G bow life.
(29:22):
Did I miss that already? That's the album that's out
right now in the book. Okay, we've beendly going the
studio with Snoopy to work on dog Food Too, Me, Snoopy,
Dazz and super Fly and then my solo album Transition,
which should be dropping in January. You know, we got
that one coming. My next single me I'll be Sure
and Snoop though, isn't that a weird combination? I'm alright, well,
(29:52):
is I'll be rapping, or he's just providing the lyrics
like hey, his name is out, or he's walking to
the rhythm rhythm. You never know it out. I ain't
even gonna tell nobody you just got it listening watch
we Love You. That's when Lyskin was in a right man.
They guess what I ain't getting no play. I told
(30:16):
my brother, I'll be man. I said, look, I'll be
you know what. I love you, bro. But you know,
y'all really shut it down. If it wasn't for Wesley
Snipe Hi, Wesley Rotch all the Westley brought back the yes,
the black of the berry. They was like, okay, damn
west right, Okay, Wesley is the main. He brought it back.
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And once you turn and once you go black, you
never go back. So, as I mentioned some of my childhood,
revealed to you my early adulthood and then obviously me
as an adult. Because when we wrapped this up, I
wrapped for just a minute. I spent a few bars
for corrupt. It was it was interesting. Uh, stay tuned
for that. But meanwhile, this is again our final episode.
(31:00):
It's our inaugural season of Naked. I'm so grateful to
the team. Let me name them off. Dwayne Crawford, uh,
super talented, super kind and especially after this episode, we
had a lot of editing to do. Um Jacques Thomas,
my producer, Chanelle, Dolly, Bishop, Charlemagne, the god over at
I Heeart, I Heeart family for the I heart black
(31:20):
effect of family. Let's be clear the black effect. I
heart family. Ashley van Horn who is talent executive, Nicole
talent executive, booking all the talent, Peyton the researcher, Henry
the researcher, Nikki does all the socials. I mean, I
can go on and on, but I'm just very grateful
there are so many people here to help me make it,
and UM see that we can have a successful season
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two because it's coming in April. We'll be back in April.
We're taking a little time off to reboot, refresh, restore
all the things. But I will leave you with this,
We're coming back season two. Congrats to me and tell
me you're trying thing about these bars. I'm about to
it to you soon. If corrupt gave us about a
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always be broke, I never had no mother, indo to
smoke and then you can't know you can't I mean
only I can do it. Oh, my bad, my bad,
my bad bad
Puffy was a good friend of me and Snoopy and
the DPG, so Big and Shug said that, you know,
we had to ride with our squad and that that
was the key. So the East Coast West Coast War
was really Sugar and Puffies misunderstanding. Then the media pumped
(00:26):
it up to that. Today on Naked, Ricardo Emmanuel Brown,
you know I'm ask corrupt. Welcome to my childhood. On
this episode of Naked, every champion and carry champion is
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to be a Champiana champion and carry champion, and carry
Chapiana Champion and carry champion and carry champions and sports
and then the tap may connectd worker in the world
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all to rendivents to shape the person that you here.
We gotta champion, they carry champion. They girl, you did it.
It's the greatest of sports and entertaining. Connected with every champion,
they carry champions to be a champion of champion they
carry Champion, they Kota Champion, they carry Champion, they carry
Champion Sports and then the Taming Cannaked Wippen. So little
housekeeping before I talked about our guest. This is our
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last episode. We're officially wrapping season one of Naked and
it has been a success, and I want to say
thank you to everyone who has bought in, who has listened,
who has had my bat. It takes a while for
a podcast to grow because there's so much out there, right,
there's so many podcasts out there, so it takes a while. UM,
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and we are doing our best to bring you true,
authentic stories. And this was a wonderful season, a wonderful team,
a wonderful group of people. So thank you to my
Heart and thank you to Black Effect. Because season two
will be well underway sometime in April. We're gonna take
a minute to regroup, regather, um, add some new things,
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find some more great guests, et cetera and Amber stand
So I am so excited. I got to thank the
staff because they have been nothing but great. Everyone's amazing.
I'll try to list everyone at the end of today's podcast,
but thank you guys for taking this journey with me, downloading, subscribing, listening,
and with that being said, uh, this last episode, this
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last episode is apropos in a few ways. You've listened
for five minutes. You know, I'm from l A. I
grew up in Pasadena, but you know went to u C.
L A born and raised. Much of my my high
school and college years were and even should just all
of my my years there is defined by West Coast Wrap,
Gangster Wrap, and w A ice Cube, Dr Dre. Everybody
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broke off you their own thing. I was here. Snoop
comes into the picture. Snoop brings on dog Pound and
I'm I'm in love and I and I have this
funny story to share with you. Because dog Pound, I mean,
say what you want. It means everything to me. I
remember when I first started working at ESPN, Snoop and
dog Power performed at my very first SPEs party, and
(03:27):
when I tell you, when Corrupt came on, I lost it.
I exploded. I lost it. I exploded, meaning I could
wrap every single lyric to some of the raunchiest songs,
if you will, but that they were just lyrics. You know,
I I wasn't who I am today, So it's kind
(03:50):
of funny singing me and my friends because all my friends, right,
my contemporaries, we love some dog Pound and it's funny.
We're listening to us go nuts over a DJ quick
even for that matter, Like you know, that is the
hoodest of puddest and inappropriate lit bitch this bitch that um,
but we love it. I'm not perfect, but I am
being honest. I am a fan. So with that being said,
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today we have Corrupt on the show. I'm smiling because
I got to wrap with corrupt. I don't know if
we're putting it in, but I got to wrap with corrupt.
Y'all know, I wanted to be a rapper, but my
mother told me I couldn't be. When I was exactly
how it was I wish. She told me I couldn't
be a rapper, probably a sixteen, and I was like, Mama,
want to be a rapper. She's like, no, you don't.
So that killed that dream. I really was about to
(04:34):
be like Supersonic or a Salt and Pepper saw and
Pepper's here and we're nf okay, Yeah, I don't know
nothing about that. Meanwhile, today's guests one half of the
rap duo The Dog Pound along with Dash that bleep Dash,
I know, Dad bleep Dash. Uh. He had his first
(04:57):
solo album eight. Uh. They obviously broke up Dog Pound
broke up for a minute, but they got back together,
thank God, because we need them. Uh. And Corrupt specifically
tells a story of a guy who didn't even grow
up in l A. I'm surprised he has such a
West Coast vibe. I thought he grew up in l A.
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But he split his time between Philly and l A.
Between Philly and l A like how you go East
coast west coast. That's why his unique sound was developed.
I believe, at least my in my opinion, I believe
he has such a unique sound because he lived in
both worlds. If you will, on both coasts, if you will,
UM give you a little gossip. Did y'all know that
(05:40):
he was engaged to Foxy Brown for two years? Did
y'all know that? Okay, none of my business, but he was.
Obviously they didn't get married. Uh. But he is now married,
happily married, and his wife is lovely. She serves as
a publicist. She helped us a lot with this, but
it was really good for me to be able to
talk to him and get some really and information. Y'all,
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we're talking about death Row. We're talking about the beef
between East Coast and West Coast. We're talking about how
it all culminated at the Source Awards. Google it if
you haven't heard about it, the Source Rewards. Do y'all
remember when sug Night, now in jail, then in charge
of death Row Records, jumped on the stage and was like,
if y'all don't want y'all rapper, if ya don't want
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your producer all in the video and dancing and your videos,
and he was really going at Ditty at the time,
or Pop whatever his name is at the time, and
then Snoop came out and was like New York and
got no love for Snoop dog and a dog pal.
I don't remember that, Please google it because that's when
sadly things escalated, and that's when we lost two of
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the greats. We lost Vige and we lost Pop because
of these wars, and they still have been quote unquote
unsolved mysteries. However, I asked Corrupt about that, that that war,
if you will, that battle, if you will, and he
didn't really want to talk about it, but he did,
and he should have some interesting light. Um, and I'm
just excited that he's here. It's a slice of history.
(07:07):
It's it's my childhood, it's my early adulthood. It's me.
It's West Coast Rap. Today's guests on Naked, Getting Real, Naked, Corrupt,
enjoying being born in Philly. It's like basically being born
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in hip hop because that's all it was back then,
discoing hip hop and music, you know, and so it
just created my musical roots, you know. And um, I'll
be honest with you. You You know, when I was born,
my father moved my mama out of Philadelphia to the suburbs,
(07:50):
Darby Township that was a suburb, uh to five Sharon Hill,
and that's where I spent the majority of my time,
between there and North Philly and Germanytown. But that gave
me all my flavor right there. So when I moved
to California sixteen, it was a very big change, whole
(08:12):
different lifestyle. And you know, I was great at what
I did, which was the mic. So when I crashed
my mama's car and she said, boy, you got together,
and that's what got me. You know. They say it's
a positive in every negative. So when I crashed the cow,
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that's what got me sent to California with my father
because he's from Philly. But he moved to California and
changed my life. Yeah, that's where my father moved to.
He was living in Compton and he moved to Hawthorne.
He wanted me to have a better life than being
in County. So yeah, I moved to Hawthorne. But the
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difference was just different mentality, you know, uh, a different
way to to live and survived, a different way to
be on the streets, different schooling, different everything. You know.
I'm so used to Philadelphia way of life, Sharon hillway like,
and then to move to California, which is uh a
(09:15):
lot a lot faster pace, I should say. They moved
so fast at the house in California, and I wasn't
used to that type of environment, even though I visited
every summer since I was nine eight to Cometon to
see my father, but just to actually live there, I
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wasn't used to what they like. I had blue shoes on,
you know, A little boy younger than me told me,
you gotta take them shoes off or like, what do
you mean? See? I was used to that in phil
In Philly, it was a different thing. So I never
got approached with anything like that because I didn't go
to that that type of environment. You know, my mama
kept me sheltered from that. I came live. She did it,
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she did, And when I got to California, there was
no shelter. So I was around the streets young and old,
and that was pretty weird to me, Like, take off
my shoes. I ain't taking off nothing. Well, boy said,
I'm gonna go to my house and go get my
gun and shoot you. I said, ship. And then Philly,
you know, they was taking people shoes. So here we are.
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We have this kid who is from Philly, moved to
l A when he was a teenager to be with
his dad, and he has an interesting take, an interesting style,
and interesting vibe. And so in my mind, am I like,
all right? So how you meet Snoop? How did the
evolution of what we now know as the Dog Pound begin?
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And he tells a very interesting story of how it
was just a bunch of kids sitting around wrapping and
he met Snoop once and they had a battle and
Snoop said, if I make it, I'm gonna come get
you and vice versa. I saw she wrote yeah at
the roxy right, So Domino was performing, So all the
Long Beach came out to support Domino, and then, um,
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we all all l A came with me. You know,
I grew up when I left off for him, when
my dad kicked me out and I was teaching me
how to be a man, said you wouldn't be out there,
you're gonna do that. So I was living in the
neighborhood Chris shawn Slawson fifty nine over Tony Tobins. So, um,
(11:37):
all of the l A came out for me. So
you got Long Beach and you got Los Angeles all
in the same senate. So we all met up in
the parking lot after this after the show and Domino one.
So you know, Long Beach was feeling real, real dandy,
and so we started, you know, my sit to Diamond
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was the kid because she was just talking a bunch
of ships partner and then you know, she basically you know,
it was like no corrupt is that? And third and
it was like, oh yeah, Bob. So we all started
a little rapsite and then Snoopy came from the crowd
and he was like okay. I mean I'm a bust
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one and Dog was basically he buzzed. It was like
a battle and he was the only one that can
keep up with me. I'll tell you that much. Boy
he was. He was too good because he was so slick.
I mean, he was just real slick. I was a
beast I had that. It was Delf to five fled,
I was about to Mike and Snoopy was just so cool.
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But he rocked the crowd and then he was hitting
me with little wops and that's how we met, you
know what I'm saying. And by the end of it,
we both said, whoever make it first, um, you know,
come get me. We both agreed. And then Dog one
he got with Dr Dre and he saw my sister
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Diamond at a picnic and then he said, call Corrupt.
I couldn't believe you remember my name. I think he said,
call your homeboy, what's your onboard name? Again? Diamond was
like Corrupt and he was like yeah, Ca And she
called me and like I'm here with Dr Dre and Snoop.
Remember Snoop. I was like Snoop from Long Beach. I said, okay,
(13:33):
and She's like, I'm here with him and Doctor Dre.
And I was like, yeah, you're lying. She said, hold on,
Dr Dre want to say something to you, hey man,
Yeah right, and then yeah, what's up? What's up? Corrupt?
I was like, damn this Dr Dre, because this is
Dr Dre. What's some doctors? Right? Oh yeah you know?
(13:56):
Uh yeah, we have to pick like you coming through. Yeah,
I'm on my way now. He said, all right, come up,
I said, but get that Dr Dre. I knew it.
So that's how we met. Uh, it was Roxy Roxy
And then I went to that picnic and Dog made
it like a year and a half, I think maybe
a year or two. A year and a half after
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we first met, he made it and he kept his
promise to me, you know, he brought me in. So
a friendship was born. What I believe is a truly
dynamic duo. And the dog Pound was born, and just
Snoop in the dog Pound, it was a special that
was the time, and they still do it now, but
they don't do it like they did it like. So
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you have to understand from me, the genesis starts with
easy and n w A and from that he we
got ice Cube and from that ice Q created Mac
ten and then from that we had Snoop from Dre.
Dre gave us a dog pound. UM. And when we
see how all of these artists were able to create
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other artists and put other people on, we got some
great music. We really did. But unfortunately it was a
time in which and I don't even know if I
understand it, but it was a time in which it
became a battle. And I don't know why. I don't
know where the genesis of the East Coast versus West
Coast rat began. I do remember that. UM. I felt
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like it was unnecessary when we lost two of the
greatest in pac as well as in Biggie UM. And
so I asked Corrupt about that, because I haven't really
got his take. He was there, he witnessed it. He
knew at least he was around Sugar and Dre and Snoop.
(15:41):
He knew Puff, he knew what was happening at the
Source Awards. He was there. And so I said, tell
me what you think happened. I've seen many a documentary
and many people talk about it, but if you can
give me your naked perspective, you know it's crazy that
you bring this up because I really, you know, I
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have not had an opportunity to really talk to people
about it. When it comes to this thing we call
the East Coast West Coast War, which was really pumped
up through the media because it never was the East
Coast West Coast War. The wars were between individuals and
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then the entire coast that they were from smashed and
pushed the line for their side. So this issue was
about Puffy and should Sugar Puffy. Puffy was a good
friend of me and Snoopy and the DPG so big,
and when Sugar said that, you know, we had to
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ride with our squad and that that was the key.
So the East Coast West Coast War was really Sugar
and Puffies misunderstanding. Then the media pumped it up to that.
He did not say, y'all, they ain't got no love.
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He asked the question, you ain't got no love for
Snoop dog and Dr Dre. You're telling me that East
Coast don't love us. We know where we act because
you'll ain't got no love for Snoop Doggy Dr Dre.
We'll give it up then, and they gave it up
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cause he Snoop smoothed it out, and that's always been
the chance. That's always been the dog, because the dog
knows how to talk to the people. Because really, no
misunderstand Suke said what he said. He don't like Puffy,
but that's their issue because at the time, to be honest,
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we did like me. He snooped the dog found, but
she had an issue, and these type of things happen.
You I let men be men can do their issue,
even if they're both your friends. So it wasn't for
us to get involved with. But dog was just like,
you know, hey, man, this is not the East coast
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West coast problem. This is not what she said that. Okay,
they'll talk, they'll figure it out, but y'all don't love us.
And that was real because we was in the East coast.
So we are still get home right. We still have
to get home right. But you don't. Ain't nothing gonna
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get you home more than the reels. So dogs spoke
the reels, you know what I'm saying. So hey, you know,
if you talk to talk, you gotta walk the walk.
That's called life, that's the streets, and that's in anything
that you do. You you're manifested. It it might come
true so you'd be wary of what you manifested. And
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it was a great loss for hip hop in general.
And I see a lot of New Yorkers people from
the East always talk about the Mecca and where it started,
not really respecting, loving, and knowing what that meccha created.
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It's like a tree. The tree is, it grows, but
then the tree grows and have branches, so many branches
of hip hop, and you can't control those branches from growing.
They all have their different versions of what hip hop
means to them, which should be respected. And that was
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the whole problem between everything. That was a problem was
no respect. You know, somebody disrespected somebody and not recognizing
that power that if they create this problem with that
person the whole John Drew will following. The knowledge is powerful,
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so no one had that knowledge back then. Everybody looks
at it like they knew what they were doing, But
me personally, I don't believe anybody knew what they were
doing at the time. This was all new to all
of us. This success is fame and like the Spider
Man movie, with great power, of great responsibility, and I
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don't think any of us knew that at that time
or right now, you know, and that's called your youth.
You were all young, so it's a learning experience that
we all had to pay for. Unfortunately, Biggie and and
Pop paid for it with their lives. Puffy paid for it,
(20:50):
should paid for it. We all paid for it, not
respecting that power that God gave through music. And I
think that's what makes it a little bit better nowadays.
Except for now the youngsters are fewing amongst each other.
They're a little bit different than we are because they're
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more aggressive and more hands on. You know, then we
were back in the days because we had great teaching.
I don't know what teaching they have nowadays, but we
had teachers in our days that I tell us to
chill out, kicked back, No, you don't want to do that,
and that's what kept us away from a lot of stuff.
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And as soon as the teachers was gone, do you'll see,
we made a bunch of mistakes ourselves. So you know,
the reality is, you know, just like Philly giving me
my own streets, what a privilege, what honor? And you
know that's the hometown where I was born, and really
it was the suburbs of filling it with Sharon Hill
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to five. That did that for me. It showed me
that love and that respect, and um, you know that's
the main thing to be missing why these problems happened
is the lack of respect. So you know, we're still
here and we made it, you know what I'm saying.
Sense And and it was very it was very life threatening.
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Oh boy, all right, I gotta pay some bills as
we do. Uh, stick around because you don't want to
miss this story. Corrupt still here with us on naked.
Every champion and carry champion is to be a champion,
a champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappian. A champion
and carry Chappion and carry chappids and sports and entertaining
can make you work. Every champion and carry champion is
(22:45):
to be a champion, a champion. They carry Chappion and
they champion, They carry Champion, they carry Chappion, sports and
entertaining can. He's now a mature adult. He is still
a rapper though, but very grown. And why in so
many ways, Ricardo Emmanuel Brown, you know him as corrupt
here on Naked, So I appreciate him sharing what he
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believes inspired and ultimately cause that battle. And it's sad
at the end of the day, it's that the way
you look at it, no matter what, there's room for
everybody to eat. But in that and in all the
unfortunate outcomes, there was history that was made. In my opinion,
for me, Corrupt was a part of a movement um
(23:31):
and now that West Coast gangster rap movement, and it's
not even gangster rap, but that West Coast wrap, that feeling,
that sound is now being carried out by the likes
of Kendrick Lamar. May you rest in peace of Nipsey
Hustle like that that vibe that only you can get
from being somebody who grew up in the streets of
(23:52):
l a and let it translate to something that's beautiful
and hip hop is what we were able to witness
with the Dog Pound. And I asked Corrupt, I said,
how do you feel about being part of history? And
I say that because we saw what this year Super
Bowl was. While it was an ode to hip hop
and soul, it really was some sort of in my
(24:15):
opinion and acknowledgement of what West Coast rapp did for
hip hop in general. And it was beautiful. Y'all saw
them krip walking y'all saw them sea walking. It was beautiful,
and when you look back on it, you can then see, okay,
I was a part of history. So I asked, from
that perspective, do you realize that you were really part
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of a movement? You know? To be honest, this I've
never understood it. I've I've learned through God. And there's
some things that's not meant to be understood and meant
to be lived, experienced, loved, and enjoyed. Because you're never
(24:56):
under you'll never understand it, especially when you live your dream,
when you have a dream and it comes true. I
learned something back in the days from a wise white man.
And the white man told me. This white man he
(25:17):
was an elder. Of course, he said, you never know
when you're making a history, because you're making it. You
never know, and that's why you make the mistakes that
you make. And he said, the key is when you
make these mistakes, and as you make his history, when
you realize that you're making history, and when you realize
(25:40):
your mistake, did you learn anything off of? If you
didn't learn anything off of, it was vain. If you
learned something off it's called growth. But what are you
gonna do now. So I took that ain't me gave
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me and realized, now this is eight to ten years
after the history I made. Okay, so I'm like, wait
a minute, what's this ship gonna do for me? Now?
I should add this game when we was number one?
You know what I'm saying this? And then I realized that,
you know what, it never stops and you're gonna continue
to make history if your mind is right. Also, if
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you have the right team, you know and what you learned,
you continue to make history. People will continue to support
you through your ups and you downs and tell you
the truth. I don't I've never understood it to this
day of how you know, people love love us so
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much as many mistakes as we've all made, and they
still not only love us, but they appreciate our music.
And you know, I live my dream. And then I realized,
you know what, I'm still living a dream every day
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and God is the key to it all. Just to
be real, I don't want to sell corny, but it's
just it's just real. You know, God is the key
to it all. Faith and belief. You know, my mama
passed away ten years ago, going on eleven years next year,
and as she passed away, she's her teachings still remain
(27:32):
and me, those are the things I remember which keeps
me humble and hum ability is the key to any
success and longevity. And the new generation they'll learn that
if they can make it like we did. And as
we close with Corrupt, here's a moment for me where
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I get giddy. I don't think he really understood what
a fan I was and what he meant to my
childhood in terms of just when I hear that music,
what it takes me back to, what it reminds me of,
how much fun I have, what kind of mindset I
immediately embrace while listen to Snoop and the dog Pounders,
the dog pound in general. And he in turn says
to me, which blows me away. You know he's a fan.
(28:15):
I'm like, you're a fan of who me? What? I'm
a fan of you? And that I ask what's next?
Everyone thinks something is like when you be when you're
a rapper. It's almost like rappers aren't allowed to age
or evolve, and I disagree. I think you can steal
a rap. I think you can steal evolve. I think
you can also you can also still create music. It's
(28:38):
a different type of music, but you can still do that,
and that is exactly what he is doing so corrupt.
Thank you for coming on the show, and thank you
for the compliments. Another thing is I've been we've been
following y'all as well. You know, we listen to y'all,
and this is such a privilege to be a part
of this because y'all, y'all are humongous in this game
(29:02):
and just giving me this time. I appreciate it and
thank you and get ready for this new Dog Pound album,
dog Food Too, Me, Snoop and Dazz. Yeah, let me
tell you what I was told according to this you
Snoop and Dass. It says right here dp G bow life.
(29:22):
Did I miss that already? That's the album that's out
right now in the book. Okay, we've beendly going the
studio with Snoopy to work on dog Food Too, Me, Snoopy,
Dazz and super Fly and then my solo album Transition,
which should be dropping in January. You know, we got
that one coming. My next single me I'll be Sure
and Snoop though, isn't that a weird combination? I'm alright, well,
(29:52):
is I'll be rapping, or he's just providing the lyrics
like hey, his name is out, or he's walking to
the rhythm rhythm. You never know it out. I ain't
even gonna tell nobody you just got it listening watch
we Love You. That's when Lyskin was in a right man.
They guess what I ain't getting no play. I told
(30:16):
my brother, I'll be man. I said, look, I'll be
you know what. I love you, bro. But you know,
y'all really shut it down. If it wasn't for Wesley
Snipe Hi, Wesley Rotch all the Westley brought back the yes,
the black of the berry. They was like, okay, damn
west right, Okay, Wesley is the main. He brought it back.
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And once you turn and once you go black, you
never go back. So, as I mentioned some of my childhood,
revealed to you my early adulthood and then obviously me
as an adult. Because when we wrapped this up, I
wrapped for just a minute. I spent a few bars
for corrupt. It was it was interesting. Uh, stay tuned
for that. But meanwhile, this is again our final episode.
(31:00):
It's our inaugural season of Naked. I'm so grateful to
the team. Let me name them off. Dwayne Crawford, uh,
super talented, super kind and especially after this episode, we
had a lot of editing to do. Um Jacques Thomas,
my producer, Chanelle, Dolly, Bishop, Charlemagne, the god over at
I Heeart, I Heeart family for the I heart black
(31:20):
effect of family. Let's be clear the black effect. I
heart family. Ashley van Horn who is talent executive, Nicole
talent executive, booking all the talent, Peyton the researcher, Henry
the researcher, Nikki does all the socials. I mean, I
can go on and on, but I'm just very grateful
there are so many people here to help me make it,
and UM see that we can have a successful season
(31:43):
two because it's coming in April. We'll be back in April.
We're taking a little time off to reboot, refresh, restore
all the things. But I will leave you with this,
We're coming back season two. Congrats to me and tell
me you're trying thing about these bars. I'm about to
it to you soon. If corrupt gave us about a
(32:05):
always be broke, I never had no mother, indo to
smoke and then you can't know you can't I mean
only I can do it. Oh, my bad, my bad,
my bad bad
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