World War III with Katt Williams

Creative control cannot be given to Katt Williams, he has and always had control. After releasing 11-self-produced specials, Williams releases his second collaborative production with Netflix entitled “World War III”.  Yes, this is a comedic special and yes you will laugh, but the topics/theme of misinformation breaking down the lies vs the truth are worthy of sparking conversation. 

In addition, Katt shares; stories of mutual instrumental relationships throughout his life from, Stephen Curry, Tyronn Lue, and Prince and offers his opinions on the business of make-believe and how it plays out in “real” scenarios ie: the Oscars, the incident at the Hollywood Bowl with Dave Chappelle and Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction.  

After a few years of not hearing from Williams, he does not hold back on this episode. If you haven’t watched the latest special here is a juicy introduction to what Katt Williams has to say. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
When you can get to this level, we can make
sure we knock you from a twenty million dollar man
to putting in the news that people won't hire you
know more, and your career is done. Yeah, so you're
saying that you said it was. What I'm saying that
everything that happens in a business that's based off of
pretends that seems like a setup is And that is

(00:24):
his take on the slap. We'll be back in just
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(01:07):
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then the taming cannecked warm. Hey, everybody, welcome to another addition,

(01:30):
Nick Um. So this week I've been been having all
these different conversations about um, what is our responsibility as
black folks, and what is our responsibility as a culture
as a country, what's our responsibility as a human being? Right,
all of the heavy conversations, I've been happy. And oftentimes

(01:51):
when I have these heavy conversations, I find comedy helps me.
Meaning I listened to certain comedians, I listened to certain
comedy specials. I look for laughs in the sadness. I
look for laughs to make sense of what's going on
in our our world. And if you follow this podcast,
you know I talked about this often. So the other night,

(02:15):
Cat Williams World War Three, his Netflix special is out,
and I'm watching it and I'm laughing because Cat Williams
humor much like UM a couple of other comedians that
I enjoy. It's very cerebral. It makes you think, you're like, wait,
what does that mean? Explain that to me? Um? And
there were a lot of funny. There are a lot
of a lot of funny moments. It was a good special,

(02:36):
It really was. But then I get a call on
him and they're like, hey, Cat is doing press. I'm like, great,
cann he come on the podcast and he is. That
is our guest. We have Cat Williams Specials drops at midnight,
I believe midnight going into Thursday. He's on the podcast
Thursday the day and we're giving it to you right now,

(03:00):
and he didn't hope back like it is special. We
talked about what he does for a living, how he
how he gathers his content, the process of doing what
he does, and how he's really truly a boss in
this business. It's interesting because everyone's claiming to have money
and be this and be that, but he's doing it.

(03:20):
He owns everything. His relationships with certain people, i e. Prince.
We talked about that and how influential he was in
Prince's life. He told me about his relationship with Steph
Curry and the NBA and what he shared with stuff
about just shooting from the logo like just let it
loose because they ain't gonna set up the defense. They're
not gonna be ready. He is surprising, smart, intelligent, probably

(03:43):
think yes, most definitely a deep thinker. Uh. And oftentimes
you'll hear I'll say, explain that, what do you mean?
Because it's truly so um ahead of what I'm thinking.
I want to make sure we're on the same wavelength.
And then we get into Will Smith in the slap
with Chris Rock, and what he says about Chris Rock

(04:04):
was a little jarring to me, true but jarring. So
pay attention to that, like literally, pay attention to that.
He talks about what a hero Jada Pinkett Smith is.
I repeat that woman deserves to be respected. I'm tired
of people slandering her, saying she did Will wrong, and
what she did was Will's she may will slap that

(04:25):
man No, man on on, no, no, you don't understand
even how the game works, that's not how she moved
and that's not what she did. I need you all
to pay attention to that. Uh. And last, but not least,
and there's still more. Catt Williams is a solid human.
I'm not an artist, nor am I comedian in that respect.

(04:46):
I'm an artist in my own way, but I think
people who think differently and who have different thoughts and
who are bold and speaking their truth are often are
often shunned by a commune. You give people who want
the status quo to remain because you don't want to
upset the apple cart. You want to keep it. Don't
be out here, be a free thinker, y'all here thinking

(05:08):
for free y'aut here coming up, what ideas, especially for
you black stand down. Please follow the system that says
y'all don't matter, and then we'll pick a few of
the automatter and be happy with the few that we
allow into the world to matter. So his Netflix special

(05:30):
up ready, rolling right now. Watch it. Either watch it
before you listen to the podcast or after you listen
to the podcast. But when you watch it, this podcast
will then click for you. Cat Williams is naked and
um so, so the podcast is what i't even explaining

(05:52):
what the podcast is, but explaining what it is. I
just interview people that I'm a huge fan of and
I think that have amazing things going on in your life.
And I've been a fan of yours for a very
long time. Um So, thank you for doing this. I
do appreciate it, I really do. I only accept interviews
by people that I respect, and I am a fan
of their work and the fact of how they ask

(06:14):
people questions. I don't get paid for any of it,
and I don't have anybody that's in charge of me
doing things to sell products. So I have conversations with
those who I am honored to have a conversation with.
And there's only two two of the greatest things from Pasadena,
Hamblea Jones, and I receive it. I receive it. Thank

(06:40):
you well now that we know we're mutual fans. I
watched the special last night and then I woke up
this morning and I saw you were trending, and I'm
sure you knew all that would happen. The first thing
that I must ask you is pretty pretty obvious, but
why did you call it w W three? I write

(07:03):
these hour long sets an hour, I mean a year
before they're going to be filmed. So the risk on
my side of things is I have to write a
conversation and then have this conversation still be true, valid, current,

(07:23):
and relevant nine and a half months after I originally
write it. Um That means I have to know that
World War three is coming in order to trademark the
name and to write a special called that and have
in mind to have these conversations. Um. When you do

(07:44):
things like that, there's a chance that you're gonna be
successful and a chance that it won't connect. There's a
lot of different variables at play um, but UM. The
titles of the specials are based upon a feeling attached
to them. So in pimp chronicles, there aren't any pimp jokes,

(08:06):
or any Lady of the Evening jokes, or any jokes
about prostitution. It's just you are chronicling something. So World
War three is because that was the time that it
was going to happen. It was destined to happen. It

(08:27):
says it in everybody's religious books. It um says it
everywhere that it could say it. And time is circular,
so we can read what happened and what led up
to World War One enough to know that between World
War One and World War Two, we know exactly what
environments and settings have to be involved in the world

(08:50):
for one of these things to kick off. And that's
just where we are. Comedically, it means it's um cross
road period um. And personally for all of us with
COVID and the pandemic, it meant that the world was
going through some things right now that we couldn't really
look through history and see something like this happening. So

(09:14):
anytime something new is coming, this as a critical part
of evolution, and you have to document those commediately. I
do those with comedy specials, and that's to up one.
It is congratulations, by the way I think it is.
I read. You can correct me if I'm wrong. It's
the second one for Netflix. It's your twelfth one. But

(09:34):
the second one for Netflix. Is that accurate? Okay? So
how it works is for the first ten specials, I
funded the specials, wrote the specials, paid for the specials
to be shot and directed and produced and edited, and
I own all of them. Um. This was the first

(09:58):
time that I had to be UM partnered with Netflix
and the producers that they used, and I had to
be collaborative UM to put out a collaborative effort. It
was the second time that we did that. Yes, how
does it? What's the different process? I would think that
you would have more freedom creatively when you don't have

(10:20):
to partner. How was that working relationship? I'm curious after
everything that happened with Dave Chappelle, were they and I
know you filmed it a year before, but I'm curious
about their freedom and and letting you have all the
license you want to say and do. Um. Okay, it's
a weird situation because, um, I've never been given creative license.

(10:41):
I am the one hundred percent owner of all things
Cat Williams, own all my masters, all my specials. I've
not been sponsored or nobody put me on tour, put
me under their wing. I'm not the process of a
holding deal. Um, none of that. I this is all

(11:02):
done by us, our team only. So you can't give
me creative control. I had that when you met me,
um so eleven times I was able to do a
special where we were just able to do a special
good enough for you to put on the network. This
meant that, in my pursuit of trying to do the

(11:24):
best special I possibly could, that I took some of
the responsibility and handed that off to others, trusting how
they would do it. Um. So, even if I was
terribly disappointed with how it went or it turned out,
I wouldn't bad mouth it because we all in our
life have been in a relationship and we know that
no relationship is perfect. And um, all days are come

(11:49):
secum side. In real relationships, when it's good, it's great.
When it's bad, we're working on it. That's how that
goes in any relationship. So, um, this is no friend. Um.
Even people in real relationships right now can think back
to when they were single and what they might be
doing with their schedule would be Like if I was
single and didn't that in the streets in the street,

(12:11):
in the streets in the streets. My my my job
is to do things I haven't done before and to
continuously to be striving to be better. Um. So if
you were to tell me that my last foray was
on strikeout, I wouldn't take anything bad from it. I

(12:38):
understand that I'm the league leader in strikeout. I just
understand that I'm also the league leader at home run.
If you understand that those go together, then you will
understand why I'm where I'm at the twelve times I've
taken this risk, you know, And it's a risk that

(12:58):
in our lane as a comedian, you're not guaranteed to
be funny because you think you are. The customer is
always right. So that's that's how we do business. And
it's the I said this before too. Any time I've
ever interviewed anybody in committee and I've ever talked to
It's the hardest job. I don't like. I don't like
when I go and I and you know, if the

(13:19):
audience is sometimes audience is wat it just is. In
this case. Last night, I'm watching and I'm laughing because
you come right off the back about everything's alive. They've
been lying to us. So I was, as is everyone
having this conversation. I think you probably were more aware
than most of us to to talk about it. But

(13:42):
within the last two years, you cannot deny that we
don't trust anything. Misinformation is at an all time high.
And if you are slightly aware of what is happening
in this country, you know they're lying. You can't believe it.
So you start off with this, and in my mind,
I'm like this genius. You wrote that a year ago,
But that is exactly how we feel. And we have

(14:02):
seen this country. We've seen these politicians whoever leaders are.
Everybody's a liar. Everybody's lying. They tell you when you
did them, the shortest ever accepted that they could lie.
We thought you had certain jobs meant you had to
tell the truth. We thought that there were certain ups

(14:24):
that meant you were a truth teller. We now see
that there are no jobs like that, and the judge,
being a politician, being a police officer. There is no
thing you can be that guarantees your righteousness and you're
willing to do for others above yourself. And so we're

(14:46):
all people in this and we we have to have
these conversations and um, yeah, I that that's the part. Yeah,
it's the hardest job in the world. I could agree
with you, but every reality, it is not. Really, it's
the most blessed job possible. Well, it's being an analyst

(15:07):
or sports commentator is a dream job for the world.
This is even better than that. At that you're being
forced to criticize, because that's part of the process, is
being critical. This is your ability. You don't have to
do any of that. You can do it exactly how
it's best for you and the audience that is being

(15:30):
uplifted by you. So yeah, it's a it's hard, but
it is so rewarding and it's such a wonderful relationship
to be in between comedian and the audience that is
involved with that. Oh my goodness, Like understand I've literally
been in this conversation with this group since nine. Every

(15:54):
time I just come out with, Hey, this is how
I feel, and this is what's going on, and this
is how I see. And to have a relationship where
there's been great communication for twenty years, who could say that, well, you,
it's impossible. It's impossible to have a great relationship for

(16:16):
twenty years. That's impossible. People change and don't like you.
What I'm saying, it's impossible, so that you're doing something
that's rare, right, And I'm saying So however, it goes
like I can't cry about a misshot because I didn't
allow myself to get as excited as I would have

(16:36):
been about the maid shot. Like this is not about
highs or loads. This is the search for balance at
all times. So even as an artist, you have to
understand that our job is just to put out the work,
correct the content you. It's interesting because I believe comedians

(16:56):
are the great observers of the world, like you observe
the world and whatever your lenses. And and I read
in our research that you have met Prince at a
young age and you thought he was a higher thinker,
and that changed the way you you moved. Tell me
about that when you met him, and what was it
that had that whatever it is, if it was a
genese qual, whatever you understood, how he connected with you,

(17:20):
How did that change for you? How did that change you?
I've really just had a really blessed existence, like I've
been blessed to know life UM changing people, Um John
with his spoon and Heavy D and Charlie Murphy, and
there's this a cavalcade of people that I've been blessed

(17:42):
to be able to know and new at an early age.
Prince was the first famous person that I met um
in my lifetime. And I didn't understand. I didn't know
him or his music or any of that. But Um,
he taught me the um link between what you do

(18:06):
as art and the preservation of your actual self. So
the fact that he was able to do complete work
for others while still working on his own complete works,
the fact that he was doing more today and the

(18:27):
time Vanity Babylonia and he is all that. The fact
that regardless of whether you liked how he looked in
his hair or dress or post or presentation, you had
to agree that you had not seen it before and
you had never seen it done the way he was

(18:50):
doing it, and he held himself to the type of
standard that you pay people for, you pay people to
hold due to a standard where you can be a
professional and always shapes and forms. I watched the guy
go for ten years party and I watched him ten
years not drinking or doing nothing, no caffeine. I watched

(19:13):
them be a Jehovah's witness. I watched, I watched all
of the different things. Um, he shared all of that
with me, and he was just a brilliant thinker and
a person who really understood, um the value of women
on the planet and the value of the feminine. And

(19:33):
he um understood that if your mother is a woman
and your father is a man, your mixed. Okay, I
gotta go back. Do you call him a brilliant thinker?
What makes him? Subjectionly because it's your opinion, but people
definitely agree with you. What makes him a brilliant thinker?

(19:55):
How does he see the world differently from anyone else?
How does he value women? As you mentioned more so? Okay,
that's separate, that's separate, But but the first part of
it is Um all of his moves were planned out
ten years in advance at all times that knew him
from when he was when I was twelve to UM

(20:19):
when he ascended. So that's was our discussion. Our friendship
was based upon the fact that there were three or
four things that he really valued my opinion on, and
there were ten things that I valued his opinion on everything,
but there were certain things that he trusted my opinion

(20:40):
on UM, And so that was always a connection between
ours is Prince never believed UM that anybody owned information
or knowledge, and so if he needed to know something,
he just wanted to know whoever was the smartest person
about that. He always just wanted to me who was

(21:02):
the best. If he was looking for a girlfriend, he
didn't care who she was. He cared if he thought
she was the most beautiful woman on the planet. And
that's who he wanted, and he was able to let
that fluctuate. He he appreciated and valued the arts. You
can't play twenty six instruments and not be above the

(21:26):
rest of us and thinking process. Whoa okay, so true artist,
And you're right about what he saw. His stories are legendary,
and I think whenever I meet someone who knew him
in an intimate way, I'm always fascinated I have. I
am fascinated by the group of people in which he
decided to commune with. He gave an audience to and

(21:47):
he enjoyed. I am not surprised that you are. You
guys were close friends. It makes sense on how he moved,
and he moved so stealth like. It wasn't loud. It
was really quiet. It was the opposite of someone as
famous as he is. Yeah, and in every single thing.
When you found out about it, he was already done

(22:08):
and he and I will work on things for four
years and then they just wouldn't happen, but we would
know why they didn't happen. I'm the one that meant
that had him start selling his albums himself, because as
a comedian, I put out an album and got the
distribution and pay for that and had the bar codes

(22:28):
on all of my music, and I gave a copy
to everybody who bought my tickets for the tour, and
so I sold two million copies of the record and
was on Billboard. And when he found out, he was like,
how is that even possible? You don't even have a
record deal. And I showed him how it happened. And
that's why he refused to ever sell that music through

(22:48):
anybody other than himself after that. Is that what he
changed his name to symbol is that you are you
telling me? You know this is this is when he's
doing crystal Ball and now he's only selling things through
MPG and he's not letting his music be sold by
a record label or a company or entity. So you're

(23:12):
very instrumental and how he's moving his music in society.
He asked you how you did it, and he followed
the plan. I am instrumental in all the relationships that
I'm in. Hey, all the relationships that in those people
are instrumental in myself. I told Steph Curry to shoot

(23:33):
from out there because he had had the ability because
I was haying him five thousand dollars for celebrity basketball games.
And I'm telling him, do you understand that they don't
even set the defense until you get to the three
point line. So if you will agree to shoot before
you get there, they don't even have a defense to
set up a game, will just be the greatest shoe

(23:54):
that had ever lived. I told Tyron lu to go
into teaching. I have. I'm blessed to have had relationships
where I'm able to be valuable and I'm useful because
of a certain skill set. Like we all trust the
doctor because he went to school eight years more than us.
But if he's in the kitchen, he needs to shut up.
In the kitchen, he's not a chef. On the plane,

(24:16):
he has to shut up. He's not the pilot. The
adopter is only good in the hospital scenario. Um. So
you know, we're all just good at what we study.
And I just have studied people for forty years. So
you having said that, I'm thinking about the special especially
from last night, and there are things that I'm like,

(24:39):
I have to ask him about this because either went
over my head or I didn't. I didn't know where
you were going with it. So it's like a fax
machine twice Like a fax machine, um, because when you
sunk her, she makes a copy of you. Continue. A

(25:01):
fax machine is taking an original image and then making
copies of this image. Preserving this image is copy and
if I make ten of them, at some point they
won't look as close to this. But this process is
a mechanical process, and this this is a process that

(25:24):
is existing and everything is predicated on this, Like there.
We live in a society where we get a chance
to decide whether women get rights or decide how much
a woman should decide about her. But everybody on this
planet came from a woman. It's the one discussion we

(25:46):
cannot be in, like if the aliens. If the aliens
come to this planet and they say who created everybody
on this planet? Until they meet God, the answer or
is the woman, which is why in everybody's religious books,

(26:06):
the woman is the end all, be all of all things,
even if it's Adam and Eve, or if it says
God and the Devil got in the fight and Satan
got thrown down here. Okay, so Satan and the demons
came down to the earth, and they could have had
anything on the earth, but all they wanted was pussy,
and nobody's books says they wanted anything other than that.

(26:27):
There was never any stories of diamonds or gold or
oil or anything being valuable or to anybody's supernatural except women.
They saw women made bodies and then had sex with them,
and that's all. It's sets. You have to understand the
importance of that as a commodity in your world. It's

(26:50):
bigger than the act of the enjoyable sex. It's the
fact that you come from there. So a society as
having a struggle figuring out who's on top and who's
on the bottom, and who should have the most rights
and who shouldn't it that that's a bad recipe, So

(27:11):
that joke is about the importance of the vagina, like
we would all we would have to have. Everybody who
has a business that sells eggs or omelets is having
to deal with the fact that the cost of eggs
is now extraordinary and it used to not be and

(27:32):
you were paying you were paying forty dollars for a case,
and now you're paying a hundred and twenty dollars for
a case. But you can't raise the price on an
omelet because you're already at the maximum price for two
scrambled eggs, and you lose your customers ass on. You
see what I'm saying. What I'm saying is never, never,
can the most valuable thing be taken for the practice.

(27:55):
That's what that joke is. The facts, mission and amen,
it is. It is the most valuable thing. I don't
think women even understand that. Sometimes you it for you
to say that and for me to be a woman
to ask you to explain that talks about sometimes how
they don't understand the value in that, but once they do,
it turns it into a whole another game, like once

(28:16):
you understand its value, it changes everything. But but they've
always known the value. That's why they made sure that
every woman represented in the Bible is either a whore
or a reformed whore. Tell me about that. Why do
you think that was in the Bible? Because in a
male driven society, there's no way that we can let

(28:40):
women be uplifted or that's the end of that discussion. Correct, Correct,
And they have to make sure they try to try
to anyway keep us down. It is necessary that it
would be done. We don't have to get into how
many religions don't let women talk. Well, we're in a
society right now. You mentioned it very casually. But roe

(29:02):
versus Wade, everything is on the table if they were,
if they are overturning roe versus ways that things that
aren't allowed to be on the table, they're not even
allowed to be on the table. Correct. There isn't a
person qualified to take a woman's right on this planet. Correct,
There isn't There isn't a woman There isn't a person

(29:25):
that's qualified to call it into questions only because no
one has ever questioned a man's right, because who would
do it? And and if they did, it would even
be if a man could give birth, this would even
be a question. We wouldn't even be having this conversation.
How is it mania tell me about something he's never
done before ever and what it should be and what

(29:47):
it shouldn't be. It's crazy. It's crazy. As men are
in charge of contraception. That will be the end of
civilization because there's not gonna be anymore back. That's the
end of that. So when I'm time, what I'm trying
to do is not be funny in these specials. I'm
trying to have a conversation that's not being had, And

(30:08):
I'm really sorry that these conversations are being had by
a comedian. I wish too, that it was a religious
leader of some kind having this conversation or somebody's politician
talking about this stuff. Um, I'm talking about legalizing we
ten years before it happens and going to jail for
it in every city and state while having my doctor's prescription,

(30:30):
and nobody cares that I'm going to jail. They just
assume I must have be doing something to get me there,
and they don't even care about get out because they
just assumed, I guess you must have paid them off.
Like it's crazy what we allowed in a society that
we say is free. Um, even if we believe that
Roe Versus Way was a problem. We vote on everything

(30:52):
in this country. We we we vote on the p
t A, we vote at a city council level. When
when did anybody vote on this stupid, unpopular thing. No,
they don't. It's not even left it's it's it's just
because they need to do things that have never been
done before. In order to do that, you need to

(31:14):
do some stuff that's never been done before. Oftentimes we
look for our comedians I do anyway, to give us
a perspective about society that we don't, that we have
taken for granted. And I know, while there may be
humor injected in it, it's always a sobering story of
where we are. Like comedians, for me, really good ones,
really are able to take what's going on in society
and say this is what it is, make it palpable,

(31:36):
make it digestible. And so you do exactly what the
boards commentator does. That's what this endless does. They're they're
they're not. We at home are already given our opinion
about the game as it's happening in real time. What
we're missing is the facts and the eloquence, the artic

(31:59):
in lay, and the information and analysis to be able
to do it, or we would all be doing it
at the house where at the house going wait a minute,
that ain't been done since uh the analysts walks us
through the rest You that's how you are able to

(32:20):
be one of two black women in your lane in
the course of fifty years people and kept it by
people that pay Like it's the same thing, Like we
are being trusted because of something and it's our job
to maintain that as much as we can. We can't.

(32:40):
We can't, we can't. I didn't want to break away
because it's juicy. It's juicy, right. We have more with
Catt Williams after the bring Every champion and carry champion
is to be a champion of champion and carry chappion
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(33:03):
and the car Cheppi Champion. They carry Cheppion and they
care Chepi and the Hey everybody, so welcome back. Cat
Williams still talking to us. We've got We've got This
is juicy podcast. So if you've worked out, you've been
driving for a few minutes. It's longer than usual. We

(33:24):
didn't break it up into two segments, but it's enough
for y'all to listen to over three days and recommended
to your friends because Cat keeps it a buck. You
do not want to miss this here he is. I
feel like when you you talk, you they're just they're
handful that have that Oh I'm paying attention. What did
he say? That is a beautiful thing? What it? I

(33:45):
don't know if you view it the way I do.
I don't have any pressure being a black woman in sports.
I feel like when I first started, it was me
just finding my way and trying to make sure that
I could get respect in a place where there was
no respectability for women, especially a black woman. Um. And
then if you do the work, it eventually pays off.
If you do the work, it pays off. You know,

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my rookie season, I do all the work. It pays off.
If that was true, no NBA player would play another
game into the w NBA players get a real salary
and they wouldn't do but they won't do that. Man, Okay,
so so so so are you saying that? Tell me
why you say if that were true? Because clearly isn't that.

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It's not it's not true, but there are there are
these ideas, right that woman I am talking about from experience,
they don't know. I'm not going to get into that
because it's clearly not true. You're right, it's stupid. But
when you say something right and you make a and
you really bring something that's very sad but very true.

(34:48):
For instance, last night, you talk about well we can
have Bernie's and and every moment you talk about bit
and you're like, he might said, and he's not gonna
answer the questions. He never answers it. Right. I look
at that and it makes me laugh because it's like,
this is so true. Yes, I know listening to this
man president, but I don't know what he's talking about.

(35:08):
He forgets thoughts, he's saying the wrong thing. Everyone says,
and his camp says he's lucid and aware. He is not.
What are our options when we're sitting there watching this
man talk, we don't have our options. I'm I, I
look at the way you described our country last night,
and I'm like, we're correct, like like we're we got
a nine year old man and and I don't see

(35:31):
anybody who could beat Trump. And so you make this joke,
and I'm wondering if it's really resonating with the people
that I think it should resonate with. Your audience should
be up in arms about this, even though we're laughing
and joking about it. We should not be distracted, right,
But they are professionals that have propaganda on both sides,

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and so that's how it's done. So the reason the
joke is set up that way is because, Um, if
I say something mentory about Joe Biden that makes me
on the left, and if I say something against Joe
Biden that would make me on the right, My job
is neither. My job as a public officialist to be

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in the middle. What I'm saying is as ridiculous as
what we just experienced. Is this not equally equally read home?
Thing about right? See the thing about Weekend that Bernie's
is not the fact. If the movie is an old reference.
But if you know the reference, you understand that the

(36:38):
man who is Bernie is deceased. You're looking at his
movements as if this is a real creature. This is not.
He is propped up and supported by this agenda, and
this agenda is who you see answering the questions, making
the moves and the decisions. That this is a puppetary

(36:59):
figure year and so I, as a comedian, have to
go the opposite way. Now, yes, I hope that you
give it on either side that it is this system
we don't we have a system. We would never let
um a retired basketball player, UM win MVP for the league.

(37:21):
You didn't have right, No, no, no, right, you're you're
not old, You're not right. So the fact that this
is the only place that we decide that we're gonna
hire the elderly, it's not um the way that anyone
does business anywhere in the country. If you can show
me the seven year old CEO of a fortune five company,

(37:46):
then I'll have a conversation. The United States is the
top of that. So it doesn't do us anymore service
to have someone who is negligent than it did for
us to have an erratic maniac in there. Say that again,
there's still no accountability. Say that again. My job is

(38:09):
I'm trying to take a terrible, unpleasant, un unlikable position
and say it. I hope it's funny, but if it
gets discussed and it's not funny, I'll win. If it's
funny and don't get discussed, I win. But what I
really want is this conversation is supposed to be happening

(38:31):
about all of this. So that's that's what I the
experience I've tried to make my stand up into. But
it requires me not to be on a side. Essentially.
That's hard to do because I feel like all of
us are subjective and we all have our own unconscious
bias and our regular bold ass bias. So to be
able to talk about either side it is, that's tough

(38:53):
to do. And try to be neutral, right, because that's
what I'm supposed to do. I'm not. I've given that.
I know. No, you are neutral. Um, I love my Lakers.
You're biased, oh, ma'am. You're biased to champions, Yes, exactly,

(39:16):
you only care about those that win. Are again the
pursuit of winning. Um that there is that bias, but
that doesn't affect how you do business, and we don't
pick up bias from you. Um we we we have
the expectation for everybody on the news that they're being unbiased,
but we can tell that they're not. We understand they're

(39:38):
just reading the teleprompter. Correct if you think it. Never
in our lives have we seen somebody get charged with
a crime and then see that crime get lessons for them.
We watched a guy with a gun and a knife
tackle Dave Chappelle live while assaulting them. That's already a

(39:58):
felony in California, aff the fake gun, of felony for
the knife, then a felony for the assault. We watched
three felonies get turned into a misdemeanor. Because we're trying
to make it where it's okay for people to respond
if they don't like something. And that's how the Will
Smith Chris rob things happens. That's how I get a

(40:21):
gun put on me for telling a joke, and that
guy doesn't go to jail, and nothing happens, and there's
no hub of things. Things are changing at all times,
and so we have to understand that and make our
moves accordingly. I must ask you, because we are talking
about it. I remember after the Will Smith slap incident

(40:42):
and Chris Rocking. After Will Smith slapped Chris rock Uh,
comedians were like, it's crazy. Y' don't understand how tough
it is for us out here. This is ridiculous. This
happens all the time. I remember not feeling like I
was aware of comedians lives being threatened or in danger.
So you just say you had a gun put to

(41:03):
your head. We watch what happens with um Dave Chapelle.
The guy rushes the stage, got his ass beat rightfully,
So in your ass beat has never given you leniency
with the law. If I robbed the bank and while
in the process of me robbing in the bank, I

(41:24):
dropped the gun and everybody in the bank whoops, my
ass is that less in my charge? You know you're
going to jail. You did what It don't matter, Yeah,
it doesn't matter. Those things happened. Those things happened when
somebody benefits from those things happen, and then that's the
only time you see those things happen. And they can
tell you whatever story they want to. They tell you

(41:45):
a story where well, the police asked, did anybody or
want them to be arrested and they didn't know, and
then the police asked the victim and you said so,
then the police just didn't arrest him. Is that how
the police work? Have we ever heard of anything like
that lifetime? Of course not so Will Smith, Chris Rock,

(42:06):
you watch that? What do you think? How do you
digest it? I am in the production business. I understand
what is worth doing for ratings. I understand what is
worth doing when the industry is canceling one black guy.
I know what happens when they are going to elevate another,

(42:28):
and I know what happens when they don't care about
either of you. This is how quarterback and go. So
the question is, hey, your quarterback just get sacked. Did
we know we was spend to stack your quarterback? We
absolutely did. It was a play, buddy. We've been rehearsing it,
working it out. Mega sure that at some point, when
you get to this level, we can make sure we

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knock you from a twenty million dollar man to putting
in the news that people won't hire you know more,
and your career is done. Yeah, so you all that
you said? It is what I'm saying that everything that
happens in a business that's based off of pretends that
seems like a setup. Is Everything that happens in the business,

(43:12):
everything that happens in the business that seems that's based
off of pretend that seems like a setup is. Yeah.
What I'm saying is if just Smoley and Lee Daniels
for a living make stories that are not real, and
they make them so good that people believe them and
buy them, and that that's what business they're in. Why

(43:34):
would you think it would be weird if they flipped
out and set a story that turned out to not
be true. Why why would we think that? If they
are capable, that's what they do for a living. They
do that three episodes is take something fictitious and make
it seem real. That's the business. Why would you I

(43:57):
don't understand that. But I don't think Will was presenting
very many mistakes. I don't think what was pretending. I
thought he was having a nervous breakdown in front of us. Well,
here's the thing for a Will to be having a
nervous breakdown for it to affect him like that. This

(44:17):
is collaborative. So for when Will Smith speaks, Will Smith
is not the giant that he is solely on the
merits of Will Smith or his family. Um, there are
three hundred corporations that are a part of the Will
Smith business operation. That is the twenty million dollar a
movie mega thing that Will Smith represents. And if you

(44:43):
are the people that are in business with him, where
you decide that you're gonna do something, you can do
it too. These circumstances are not um. We we see
him as all. This is why he said something about
his wife and he got mad and jeopardized his career,
and then the other guy had to decide what he

(45:04):
was gonna do with his career, and then he you know,
we have to understand that these are two giants in
our field. If you're a black person, this is two
guys too big and too good to be involved in
what they're in. That would make sense if it's me
and Michael Blackson slapping each other, not now, not Will

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Smith and Chris rock These are when two large boulders
come together and you can't see Chris Rockland and at
all he's humiliated. If you were gonna slap a comedian,
he was the number one to slap head of the coons,
so slappable. And if you're gonna slap him. You just

(45:50):
need the greatest guy, the bestest guy, the one who's
shown us him being on his best behavior since the nineties.
That guy is the one that would have to slap
them in order for the type of ratings we need
an attention to be on this. See what I'm saying

(46:11):
is in business, nothing is coincidental, or you would be
hearing who's losing money and all of these situations, it's
only the artist that's losing. Somebody makes a big money
when these rappers get killed. Not incidental. Somebody made a
hundred million dollars and now don't have to talk to
that artist or none of their crew, don't have to

(46:33):
validate none of their contracts. Now only got to deal
with the mama, only got to see her once a year,
and it's over. And the money he goes up and
up and up. So they killed this twenty million dollar guy,
but they reached sixty million in benefits and they have
some people from your city do it. Wow, I'm saying

(46:54):
there there's the good side and the bad side of
of of these businesses. And buts ab what you just
just think about what you just said. That's extremely thoughtful
and powerful. It could only be what it was if
it were those two, those two Will Smith and Chris Rock.
It could only be what it has been with those

(47:17):
particular those two black men, if you put any other
names together. Um, the police are out on stage, they've
cut to commercial. You didn't see what happened. By the
time they come out, people have been removed. It goes
on it. It's certain ways things are handled when it's
not intentional. When things go smoothly but they seem chaotic,

(47:42):
that means there was forethought in a plane somebody even
if it looks like, yeah, Jennet Jackson just had a
wardrobe malfunction, Yeah, there's no such thing, correct. I believe.
I believe that somebody benefited. So in all of the situations,
there's a business involved and there's real money involved, as

(48:05):
somebody's benefiting from this thing that looks like, oh that
just happens. Nah, no way, no way. It would be
hard for a homeless guy to get into the Hollywood Bowl,
let alone a homeless guy be able to rush the stage.
And actually, so you're saying same for Dave Chappelle and
this random homeless person. I thought the same thing I'm like,

(48:27):
how do you rush the stage? I've been to Hollywood Ball,
how do you rush the stage? Yeah, this is the
business where in the business where make believe happens, where
the job is to have something that costs nine cents

(48:50):
for us to make and we sell it for four
ninety nine to you for a good deal. And it's
okay that it costs us nine cents. But in the
in the in this business, the star is the commodity.
These are real people, real lives. When things you see,
things happen and you don't have all of the information.
The true tragedy is what Jada Pinkett Smith is having

(49:15):
to go through in that scenario. Considering if at most
you can say maybe she disappointed Will, other than that
she is upheld black women actresses. We've never been embarrassed
of Jada Pinkett Smith. She always worked hard for every

(49:36):
role and worked hard and is she always was willing
to give us every She's being successful through. She didn't
get made by Will Smith. Regardless of what you think
about her relationship, that's not your relationship. I love for
you talking about Jada, how people have tried to vilify her.

(49:59):
That's especially after her quote unquote entanglement. I think it's
so disrespectful. I think she has been nothing but class personified.
And you know what I'm saying, Like she could as
a block, she's been more than that, more than that.
And I don't like how she's getting such a bad
rap because I was like, this is That's not what
this is when you go on No, there is a

(50:24):
business where they fiddle with the perception of the people.
And that's part of the job. Back in the day
used to be called propaganda. Now it's just called business.
They don't say we gotta smear the candidate. They smear him.
He ever made jewics who was qualified to break you?
That's the end of it. When they bought you and

(50:45):
put you on that Fox show, it was because you
were going to do this and only this. You'll never
do that. As soon as you breache that, they've done
with you too. So they have decided that they were
finished with will when he did After Earth with Jaden,
because there was no way they was gonna let Jade,
knowing because Jade didn't have to do what you had

(51:07):
to do to get the We're not gonna let you,
but Jade man Willow and from there. They've done what
was necessary to take him from a twenty million dollar
A movie to put him in a position where maybe
it can appear he has a nervous breakdown and now
is unemployable. And it's not racist. They did it with
the white actors as well. They cut down Angelina Jolie

(51:29):
and Brad Pitt and all of them from twenty million
dollar A movie. People too, left them out there to
drive and restructure everything. This This is business at its
highest level, people's life, and you can't understand that. So
if someone's listening to you and doesn't have an understanding
of a little small understanding of how this world works

(51:52):
and how they build you to destroy you, they can't
really get what you're saying. But it's real as hell.
And I want to go back to what you said
earlier about women and how important they are, and then
you and then you and I appreciate you talking about
how dope Jada is. I feel like, and it's even

(52:12):
feel it's true. Women don't get the credit that they deserve,
especially Black women in a society. We we sit here
and we're fighting on the front lines for a lot
of things, and we're told all the things were not,
and you said she's more than class, right, But there
has to be responsibility taken as well. Though, yes we're yes,

(52:33):
we're responsible. No no, no, that's not what I mean.
What I mean whatever women feel like they don't get
credit for who were they supposed to get it from?
What do you mean you birth? You birthed us as
a baby. We don't get to be in charge of y'all. Hm.

(52:55):
So the expectation that we should be understanding what you
are no no, no, no child is misconfused, of misinformed
or u no, no child is wondering what the relationship
is between me, child and mama. See what I'm saying.

(53:18):
Every child instantly knows what that relationship is and what
it means. But something happens between the time that you've
given birth and you become an adult and you're indoctrinated
by society and you feel like it's okay to to
to repeal Roe versus Wade, right, Something happens in between
and the society in which we live in that says

(53:38):
that we don't matter. We're given because it's a it's
a it's a patriarchy right, even although we are the
giver of life it's still a patriarchy. It's still male dominant. Yes,
just because um, we're not equal. We're not equal, we're superior.

(54:00):
We keep trying to put the sexes on equal footing,
and the sexes and ever be on equal footing unless
a man produces life out of his penis. Other than that,
it's never gonna be equal footing. Now in business, um,
men were thought to be um better in business and

(54:22):
haly business as societal things because of how great the
woman was and how vast her responsibility was before she
ever left her home. So the woman had already done
eight jobs already at this place we lived. Um, this

(54:43):
wasn't the great mother. This was all mothers. They had
got up, got the kids together, dear food, taking care
of about it. Ain't no money she're handling this, doing
that she got that's the house. It's to the point
where it would be like, why would I want a
woman to work? She do so much like women shouldn't
even be able to do nothing else that they should
just do this thing they do and make life enjoyable.

(55:08):
And we the guys go out and do whatever the tough, ugly, dirty,
nasty sax stuff is that makes money. So that we
can bring that home and enjoy bliss at this house
with this woman. That's what everything was set up for.
In the patriarchal system. It was respect first. It was

(55:30):
we respected what the woman brought to the table so
much that she shouldn't even be doing. Even in the
religions where they cover a woman and they'd be like,
that's so disrespectful to women, it's really not. It's really
because it's really refusing to let you be objectified. Nobody
can say she's fine. It's held because they don't know,

(55:53):
and because their religious books said that the devil came
down and found you attractive and you fail for that,
and and Adam and Eve you ass that's what the
snake and well that women can't be trusted with the heart. Yeah,
I'm saying these are uncomfortable conversations. Say stuff like comedian.

(56:19):
No comedian would pick these type of conversations to talk
about in the first place. I could talk about having
about movement and be funny for thirty minutes. Guaranteed I
could just talk about, Hey, I went to the drive too,
and this took like I could tell those type of
stories with my time and be guaranteed to be funnier

(56:39):
than all of the peers I have. But I'm trying
to have I'm trying to curate the most impossible conversation
to have comedically, and I try to have it. So
when it works well, it does. Um. When it doesn't,
it doesn't. But we're all in this together. We all

(57:01):
have shared experiences. They're only top eight type of people
on the planet and everybody else is an alien. We
live in a society where people don't believe in aliens,
but they do believe in the angels, and they do
believe in God, and you do believe that loved one
is going to heaven and they do, but they don't. Yeah,

(57:22):
so it's at a time where the truth is still
king and UM. Sometimes you have to shame the populace
into having in these conversations. If it takes me for
me saying something stupid like a woman's vagina is a
fact machine for a conversation to UM. You talk about

(57:45):
uncomfortable conversations, you always have them. It takes a lot
of courage to do that, and not even courage. Sometimes
it's just in you and you don't even know that
it is what it is. I I ask you what
do you need? And I'll wrap with this because or
what or where do you find your piece you have?

(58:07):
I can only imagine that your mind is going and
you're aware, and you observe, and you see and you think,
and you'r ten steps ahead, if not thirty steps ahead,
and you're having these conversations with sometimes could appear in
mere mortals who don't get it. Where do you find
your piece? How do you turn off? If at all possible?
I found in my whole life all I wanted to

(58:29):
do is be an explorer. I wanted to find out things.
I found out that information and knowledge is free, and
that you cannot know something one second and the very
second that you know something that's an extra thing that
you know, and it's a commodity of gathering information. So
I found out that a lot of times when we

(58:49):
can't get something to work because we're misunderstanding the directions.
We understand the directions, but we're misunderstanding them. So if
you follow religion, it says, um, the Lord is my shepherd,
I shall not want and then it goes on to
tell you other things. But I found out that that

(59:11):
first part is the actual instruction. The Lord is my shepherd,
I shall not want and that's the end. And so
my piece is the fact that I don't want anything
ever from anywhere, any body, anything, any situation. I don't
have any expectations of you them nobody are you a human.

(59:34):
I don't have an expectation of you. I know how
this goes. You could do whatever you want to do.
I I have no wants, I have no needs. Who
I'm connected to gives me every single thing I have
ever wanted. If I didn't get it, I found out
I wasn't supposed to have it. So now I don't

(59:54):
even want what I do want. I just know if
I look at something too long, I'm gonna have it.
So when you have no once and no needs, you
can't be put in a desperate situation. You can't be pressed,
you can't be under pressure. You can only have peace
and um if someone is listening and you want to

(01:00:16):
find peace, if you can find a body of water,
however long you can hold your breath under, there is peace.
So if you can only do ten seconds, and you
can give yourself ten seconds of peace underwater, you will
find that everything you need is within access of you.
You do not need anyone to complete you in anything

(01:00:37):
or any journey, you are complete. The journey of this
life is finding out that you were complete the whole time.
Finding out that what you thought wasn't value but was valuable.
To find out the people that were being oppressed where
our most surprised jewel of all people. To find find
out that all these people were held down and is

(01:00:59):
they run every thing? The world is great because of them. Um,
you open yourself up to that. It's it's important that
you understand that whatever it is you're missing in your
life right now, as long as it's not money, because
remember money isn't real. It's just something that represents something.
So when it was coli shells, it was, when it
was paper, it was when it was coins, it was

(01:01:20):
when it was rocks, it was. Now that it's bitcoin
and it's invisible like it does, it doesn't matter whatever
it is you think you're missing. You can access that
that it is uh able to be accessed by humans,
and you are humans and you are worthy, and it
doesn't matter what it looks like. That is what makes

(01:01:41):
living on this planet exciting and it is that way.
So there, that's um, that's how I get my piece.
That's why it's not chaotic for me. I understand when
I'm punching that your job is to try to punch me.
Now I understand the rhythm of it. I don't celebrate
because I understand that the punch is coming. And that's

(01:02:04):
you know. Yeah, I got taught that from being a parent,
because you can never be a perfect parent. You can
just do the best you can. And that's seeing that conversation. Yeah,
because you don't know, you not that you know, and
you're like, and that's all I have. I'm just figuring
it out as we go. That's all I have, right,

(01:02:25):
And and understand that all all of us are trying
to be better than our parents. We don't even know
what that means. Is different circumstances like there are no
rule books like yeah, so you know when we understand
that you can control every single thing that you've been controlled,

(01:02:46):
but you can't control nothing. You can't control, and that's
the beauty of it. There's nothing stopping great things from
happening to you. That's why suicide is the only thing
you cannot do. You can never take yourself out of
a game. Don't worry, they'll cart Joe Cark gets off
as soon as you expire. But we don't take ourselves

(01:03:06):
out the game because that's champions. We know the next
game is the best game. That's it. We gotta keep fighting,
we gotta keep moving. I love it and know the
punch is coming. That, by the way, was a word
for me, because look, they you're gonna punch up, They're
gonna punch back. Just be ready because it's coming. And
that's the nature of the game. I whether you believe
it and Zin or Buddha or whatever, whatever it is,

(01:03:29):
whatever your religion is, I get whoever you pray to,
whoever your god is, the universe, Jesus, whatever it is,
I totally I'm picking up with you down, Cat Williams.
Thank you. I've taken far too much of your time.
I really appreciate you. I've been a fan and this
has been enlightening. And I do appreciate you. I do.
You're a beautiful black man for giving me that, and

(01:03:53):
you aren't a righteous namesake for yourself, and um, I
know that you know. Yeah that I've said enough, It's okay.
I'll take I'll take it in conversation. Yeah, just know
how important you are too. I think. I don't think

(01:04:14):
you understand how many people you represent, like underderstand it
wasn't It wasn't women that were happy to see you.
It was it was you know what I mean, Like
we shouldn't we shouldn't be cheated, Like we went through

(01:04:37):
a whole fifty years where we weren't allowed to get
our sports or information from somebody we thought was pretty
even allowable. You were correct and even allowable talk. It
had to be an old heavy boys trust correct, weel

(01:05:00):
ball to the point where a supermodel and you and
Jamail can come out. And that's that's everything. We received it.
We received it. Thank you. When you're you ain't lying.
You had to look a certain way, and we said, no,
thank you, I'll take it. I'll take something different. Um,
Cat Williams are naked, and just as naked and real
and honest and educating and enlightening. I take it. Thank

(01:05:23):
you so much. I appreciate you. Thank you for being naked.
Just to recap, he was very clear about Chris rock
One being a coon to Jada Pinkett Smith as a hero. Three,
be your own boss, be willing to take chances, and

(01:05:46):
when you are your own boss, and when you are
winning the way in which he wins. They won't celebrate it,
they won't talk about it out loud. They will make
you out to be a villain because it's intimidating and
it's scary, and you don't make people comfortable. He loves
to embrace an uncomfortable conversation. You've listened to this podcast.
If you're not trying to do uncomfortable, you cannot change
the world. You may not agree with what he had

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to say, but I will tell you this, When you
make people think about things differently, you're leaving an impact.
I hope you all are doing that. Are we leaving
an impact? This man came and he was completely naked,
and he was so gracious and so kind to me
and knew who I was. He's a smart man. There's
something to be said for smart people, not that many

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of them in the world. You may not agree what
he has to say, that's fine. Being smart is a
rare quality these days. Do you hear me? Rare quality?
Las I thank you all for listening. More Naked next week.