October 30, 2023 • 45 mins
Zainab Johnson and Cari came up in the same circles as they made efforts to make names for themselves in their respective fields. Fast forward she affirms her success by recognizing the growth of her peers. Zainab is an actress and comedian, she joins us today to celebrate her new special, Hijabs Off now available on Amazon Prime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But if you look under any post, any joke where
I mentioned that I am Muslim, if you look under it,
you're going to see I'm called the N word A
good amount of times. You're going to see that someone
is saying that I don't have any you know, it's like,
you know, they're going to judge me, like, oh, look
at her. I mean, it's the very reason why I
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named my special hitch abs Off. It's the very reason
why I have to bring levity to That's the very
reason why I have to write jokes about it, you know,
I mean racism and sexism, like any prejudicem exists.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know that everyone is arguably well aware of what's
happening in the Middle East, and I think that it
seemed pretty apropos and obviously serendipitous that I have comedian
Zaynab Johnson on the podcast today. She is a Muslim woman,
and we don't get into the particulars of the war.
We talk about her comedy special, but she does share
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a perspective of that. If I am honest, I was
not aware of Welcome ze Nab Johnson to the podcast, y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:30):
Get Nick Ward Affirming.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's the title of this podcast, Affirming with ze Nab Johnson.
Zay Nab is an actress, a comedian, and a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Person inside and out.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And the reason why I use the word affirming is
because I remember za Nab when she was on her
come up, because I was on my come up, and
I would bump into her at the comedy store when
she would go up for sets just to try to,
you know, work on her craft. At the time, I
don't necessarily think she was acting, but I'm sure she
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did a short here and there. She was just a
part of a group of us LA kids who were
trying to make it. In her quotes, clearly, in my profession,
I was trying to be the journalist that I ultimately became,
but I was working small markets, which would be the
equivalent of going up on a comedy stage here and there,
hoping to work on my craft.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
My set.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You know, that's what the comedians say. And I would
see say Navin think gosh, she's so beautiful, Got, she's
so smart, Got, she's so funny. I can't wait to
see her pop. And over the years, I've watched her
good roles here and there, and for many people who
have just learned who she is, you might think, oh wow,
this is a new face on the scene. She's an
overnight success. But I can I can testify that it
was a good ten years ago where she and I
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were splitting, you know, a chicken sandwich, and by that
I mean not making no money and trying to make
it not chicken per se. So when she comes on
the podcast or when she gets booked on the podcast,
I'm really excited. I'm thinking to myself, I can't wait
to catch up with her. I hope she remembers me.
Of course she does, but you just never know. And
(03:13):
Zey Nab is a first. She just recently debuted her
very first one hour special, he Jabs Off, and that's
on October twenty four, so I can go get it now,
watch it now on Prime, Celebrate her now on Prime,
and you're going to want to hear about her journey.
I think it's interesting to hear about a woman, a
black Muslim woman, who grew up with twelve siblings, thirteen
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in all, in Harlem, and how she found her way
to Los Angeles to make it in the big leagues.
Whatever that means, whether that be famous, whether that means
be a famous actress or a comedian. She moved here
in her early twenties to make it, and of course
she did. We talk about that, We talk about her
life as a black Muslim woman in this country. We
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talk about her special which incorporates all of that. But
more importantly, we come together on a common goal, which
is the fact that looking at her and her success
and where she came from me visually seeing that is affirming.
Welcome Zanab Johnson to the podcast. Y'all Chapion and Carried chat.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Bey and and Carrie chat Be.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Zanab, this is a really beautiful this is a beautiful moment.
Not that not that I didn't think that you were
always as talented and you'd be doing all these things.
But by way of background, you and I were, We
were on our grind together in different roads. Right. I'm
trying to do my TV thing. You're doing the comedians,
and I'm always thinking. I was just like, ah, she's
just so beautiful. Why doesn't she model? I know people
(04:42):
tell you that all the time, right, I just yea, yeah, yeah,
that was a thing for a while and I was
just like, and you because you were so and still
are so beautiful. I know that people find it distracting,
but I just remember thinking when you would always perform,
when I was in the comedy store with you and
with it kindre my best friend and speaking perform I
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always just like, she's so beautiful, She's so beautiful, and
so here we are a beautiful moment.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah. Yeah, the special Hijabs Off is on Prime. And
do I feel successful? Yeah, yeah, I'd say I feel successful.
I feel I feel like every day I am moving
forward and that in and of itself is a success.
(05:29):
And then you have these wonderful like milestones, these things
that you set out to do, and then when you
do them and you release them to the world, it
feels like, oh, okay, this is a kind of this
is like a bigger day, but still like a day.
You know that you get to cross off as a
as a as a moving forward and a wind.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So yeah, so he jobbed off on Prime, released October
twenty fourth. Congratulations on all of your success. I want
to begin with what I did not know, and you
talk about this in your special I'm aware of, but
I did not know that you grew up with twelve siblings.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah I am. Yeah, I mean I feel like I
feel like me talking about my family and how I'm
from like a large family. I feel like they're almost
like seventy percent of my material, like to the point
to the point where I'm like I have to thank
my mom, like thank you for having so many of us,
because if like maybe I wouldn't have any material if
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it wasn't for the choice you made. Twelve is a lie.
Where do you rank? Are you middle? Are you towards
the end? Are you the last? I'm in the middle.
I'm the fifth from the top. So I'm the oldest
of the middle bunch because it's like it's thirteen of us,
so you can really break us into threes, right, like
into three parts, and so I am the oldest of
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the middle badge. So I don't even know what that means.
It means that I kind of have middle child is
but I also know how to act like the oldest
child too.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So when you are one of thirteen total, Yeah, it's
just that. How does that make you separate and different
and separated from others? I know that you notice how
people move if they're only children versus people who have
two siblings.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
How does that make you? I think I would say
I have two very specific qualities that I believe come
from me being from a part of a large group,
which is, I am constantly seeking to be by myself.
Like I mean to the point where if I'm talking
to my friends and it's like, oh, yeah, let's get together,
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and they're like, oh, they have you got a new house?
Should we come to your place? I'm like, no, no, no,
no no, I'll come to you. That way, I can
leave when I want to. I don't have to worry
about waiting for people to leave, Like I am constantly
wanting to be by myself.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I know how to socialize, I know how to interact
with so many people. I know how to divide my attention,
But ultimately, at the end of it, I'm just like, hmm,
my own little space, my leftovers is still in a refrigerator.
Ain't nobody in a bathroom? I'm gonna be able to
just go as soon as I get home, you know,
like yeah, exactly exactly. But then the other thing is
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like I know how to like give people attention. Like
I know, it's weird because I'm a standup comedian and
you get on stage and it's like all about you,
but it's not really. I think that's what makes me
really good at being like in the moment and navigating
with the crowd because I'm like, yeah, I know how
to divide my at tension between a whole bunch of
people and be diplomatic with it. And you know, like
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I think I think it's like a helpful skill that
I picked up.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
When you and you say you thank your mom because
she's given you so much material I read and you
obviously talk about this too, but you you loved played
basketball growing up, right, This was a thing for you.
This was your your duram, your passion when you were
a teenager.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah yeah, uh yeah, one of them. I definitely loved.
I did play basketball. I loved playing basketball, and I
don't know, maybe when I was in high school the
WNBA came about, yeah, you know, and so that was
an exciting that was an exciting possibility yeah, yeah, and yeah,
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and then I you know, I got hip by truck,
and then my my plans or my or the you know,
the thing the way that I thought my life would
go was kind of redirected. And I often it's crazy
because I often think like, hmmm, it's my life better
or worse now?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Like well, yeah, like I think it's so interesting. I mean,
we'll never know unless I have like one of those
kinds of like Scrooge moments where three people come to
visit me from the past, the president of the future
and show me what my you know, like, but I'm like, wow,
I want wonder if you know, if that never happened,
would I be a comedian? Like what what would be
my life? You got hit by a truck? Do you
(10:07):
talk about that often? Or can we talk about it?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You said you I read it could be where I'm
correct me if I'm wrong, you broke two legs and
so it really messed up the jectory. Okay, so where
well how that all happened?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh it was, I'm totally talking about it now, making
light of it and and and and turn it and
turning it into jokes now on stage, which is so
interesting because I always start with a statement, you know,
I always start with the statement that really puts the
audience on edge, like wait a minute, what's about to happen?
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And then I kind of reverse engineer it with jokes.
But yeah, I had I got hit by a junk driver.
I was pushing the back of a car. I was
outside of the car, and I was pushing the back
of a car and a junk driver unfortunately slammed into us,
and I had a lot of injuries, broke both my
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legs in multiple places, spent the large majority spent the
rest of my high school senior year in the hospital,
and some time after that I had to learn to
walk again, like all of it, you know, But I think, honestly,
carry I think it's made me like so much stronger
because I think in moments where you know, I'm feeling
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any sort of like doubt or fear or like I
don't know, maybe I can't do this, I'm like, well,
a truck ain't keep me down. Like a truck ain't home,
you know, A truck ain't take me out. So not
choosing me ain't gonna take me out. Me not getting
a certain job ain't gonna take me out, you know, like,
I think it really does.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No pun intended ground me. You know, yeah, yeah, right,
in every possible way. Well, and that is arguably something
that I don't know if I'm sitting in the hospital
most of my senior year of high school and after.
I think that forces you to become more wise and
mature in other ways. You can either crack to it
or you can you can understand it. How did your
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family help you get through that?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
My family, they were helpful in the sense that they
did not baby me or coddle me. It was like,
here's the thing about being a part of a large
family is I'm the comedian, but they all believe they're
funnier than me, right, So I just got a lot
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of jokes, you know, Like I remember my I remember
my one of my youngest younger brothers saying to me,
like when he saw the scars on my legs, saying
to me like, oh yo, them is your legs?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Your legs is crazy. I'm Joy's like, wow, like, I
ain't know your legs look like that, right, And right
before I could even feel bad about it, he was like,
but nah, that asked if I wasn't your brother, I
holler at you, and I'm like, Okay, I'm cute. That's support,
you know, that's real support. Like I see that. But
(13:02):
if I didn't love you like how I love you,
I was still try and get with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh I love it. Yeah, you know. But what what
did help me through, like the hospital experience was I
think it was the first time, just getting hit by Chuck.
I think it was the first time that I realized
that I was like just a small part, a very
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very small speckle in this world. And you know, as
like a teenager, you can feel like the world revolves
around you. You can feel like, you know what I'm saying,
like everything rises and sets on you. Your world is
so mass. But it made me feel really small in
two ways. One, the other girl who was in the
accident with me, her leg was amputated, and so that
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was immediate perspective right there for me, like, oh, yeah,
I think this is terrible, but that's worse, you know.
And then when I went into a rehabilitation hospital in
New York, all the times there were dealing with cerebral palsy,
they were dealing with all of these like these life
long illnesses and they were such small kids and then
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such distress and pain and couldn't even you know, it's like, yeah,
from the waist down, I was kind of hindered, but
I was still kind of like, you know, yeah, and
so yeah, you're moving. Yeah, I was moving, I was talking,
I was thinking, I was I was still experiencing high
levels of joy, you know. And so that really put
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things into perspective for me, and I think just really
sent me off in my healing and also my my
constant awareness of like gratitude.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's beautiful, I think, in perspective, is beautiful. And I
think if you were able to have it in the moment,
that's even more special.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Special.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
We have to pay some bills, Yeah, I understand what
I'm saying by that. Normally I asked you to push
that fast forward and fast ward, fast forward, fast forward.
So and you just do that and we'll be right
back in just a few moments.
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
Hey everybody, I appreciate you so much. Welcome back to
the podcast. I have more with Zey Nab Johnson you
then have And what I'm what I'm getting at is
that I've I noticed that you've had a few things
in your life that really put you on this trajectory
to be a comedian, because from my understanding, that's not
necessarily what you wanted to be growing up. You're a
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fan of it. You and your mother, your mother was
in theater. You rehearse lines with your mom. I didn't
I don't know if someone grows up, especially you know,
and you know, so it says I want to be
a comedian? Was and you had some life altering experiences
that led you here. Would you say your your father's
passing was one of those.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I think my father's passing definitely led me to California,
like you know, just that, like I don't know, I
was probably like twenty three years old. I think, And
my friend was like, who at the time have been
like twenty two. She was like, I'm moving to LA
to be famous. And I think the thing that that
sounds ridiculous, Yeah, but it's so funny. People people declare
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that every single day and get in their car or
on a bus or on a plane whatever. And I
and while I think I would have eventually made it
out here, I think my father's passing really put the
fire under my behind, like, yeah, you don't know what's
going to happen. His death was sudden.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
My father wasn't sick, he wasn't old, he wasn't it
was sudden, and so it made me feel like, oh,
you know, tomorrow's not promised, so you better try and
do everything you can today, you know. And so that's
that was the thing that really really pushed me to
do it. Also, carry you know, you can't have your friend.
I mean, Kendrick's good because you're so You're You're just
(17:14):
big personality in the world and its name and faith
and in voice and perspective that everybody knows, you know.
But I was thinking, I can't be the friends of
the famous person. I gotta be famous too. You know.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That was that's a motivation be famous too. So you guys,
you moved here, and what do you do when you
move to LA? I love these stories.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I mean, you get on Actors Access, you sign up
for any casting thing that you you try to figure out, like, okay,
what's my place? You know, like do I go to
a do I go to a dramatic acting class, a
scene study class? Or do I go into like the
Groundlings or you know, UCB, Like you try to figure
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it out. I was doing all of that, Like I
was in a scene study class. I was doing you know,
improv classes and really not even just so much just
to have a little bit of skill, but also to
make friends. You know, LA can get so lonely and
it's like I did have my one close friend, but
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it's like I realized that wasn't enough, Like you need
to get out there and meet people, you know. Then
I walked. I will say this was probably the thing
about me that I'm sure most people don't do when
they come out here is walk. I'm a New Yorker.
I'm used to walking. I can walk for hours and
days with my eyes closed and to like fill the
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time and learn the city. I would just walk from
Los Feliss from Echo Park or Silver Lake, all the
way to Beverly Hills, all the way to Santa Monica,
all the way Wow, and I would discover new things.
It's like maybe one day the walk would be about like, Ooh,
I'm going to discover like a fun new cafe somewhere
that I can get like a good cheap bite to eat. Oh,
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but today I'm gonna walk in. I'm gonna go into
three open houses, you know, like really, like that's really
what helped me learn the city and kept me occupied.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
For people who are listening and they are not from
Los Angeles, a walk from Los Felis to Beverly and Hills,
I would say hours.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't remember an hour two Like.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That's a that's a cool forty five minute drive with traffic.
So you were walking and learning the city, and I
think that's smart. I think that is arguably the best
thing you can do. As someone who now spends a
lot of time in New York, I walk more too.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's the thing. You just walk.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
He walks when I want to get an uber and
they're like, what you mean, it's only twenty blocks. I'm like,
it's only twenty blocks. I'm from La, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
So it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And when you and when you were looking for work
or did you work like and as you signed up
for all the resources to help you be you know
in this in this game, where did you work in
the meantime to suffer in the stream?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I worked at a spot at first because I went
to school. I have a degree in education in math
and so s I was substitute teaching at first. And
the quickest way to get in substitute teaching in La,
I realized, is to go to like camps, which are
really kind of jails. Yeah huh. And so I realized like, oh, okay,
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I'm going to a jail today, Like yeah, they're the
people that the kids that I'm teaching are boys like
under eighteen, but they're still like locked up, you know.
And after doing that a couple of times and having
some incidences happened, I was like, Okay, I didn't leave
New York to put myself in danger, you know. And
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so I was like, okay, let me find another program.
And so I did two things. I got with this woman,
I believe her name is Lee Curran, and she ran
this wonderful arts program. So when I moved here, this
was at the time where all the school all LA
what's the school system here, the public school system La
LA Universe. They were losing all of their programs, like
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any of the arts, the gyms, you know that they
were losing all of the budget cuts. And so then
there was this wonderful outside program that started in New York,
and so she moved it to LA And what she
would do is bring artists into the classroom and we
would teach, we would teach, you know, improv we would
teach art, we would teach theater, you know. And so
I was doing that, but also working at a spa. Okay,
(21:40):
so that's two things that Yeah, you know, a little spa.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Maybe get a massage because you know, you get a discount.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Maybe we'll take sure little product. Yeah, a little bit
of both. I too, were all throughout college.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
So yes, I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Really. What's that?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah? Well, what Burt Williams were you at?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Shut the front girl? Uh huh? I worked at the
Burke Williams right on West Hollywood. It's not there, I
mean right on Sunset and West Hollywood. It's not there. Anymore.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I worked at the original one in Santa Monica on
off a third street, off a third treet Femino.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Wow, yes we can.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We can offline about who might have been your boss
back in the day. Did you ever meet the owners
where the owners around was a woman n in Karen around?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Uh, you don't remember so long ago. I can't remember.
My memory is bad. I wasn't there super long, but
my memory is not that great either. But I do
remember that location used to get a lot of celebrities
and that was like sting real of it, you know. Yeah,
that really was like seeing for massage. Okay, that's so funny. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And then I I don't know when was the time
I met you, but I believe the time I met you,
you were working the circuit like you were working, and
I knew that Kendrick Carter, who I've mentioned with this
program before, because every time I have a comedian come
on my show or or on my podcast, I have
some and some some weird former fashion I know them
(23:13):
like Hassan and hanj you know what I mean. And
I saw him, you know, he did your He put
a congratulations post up for you.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think the other, which I thought not told me. Yeah,
he told you. He was like, no, well I saw
it and I was like, oh, that's so sweet of you, Hasten,
and he was like, oh, my sister was at your taping.
And I was like, oh, I didn't even know. It's
so many people. It's a it's a it's a good
amount of like my peers who would tell me like, yeah,
(23:39):
my brother or my sister or my cousin was at
or my spouse was at your taping. And I'm like, yeah,
how wonderful. Yeah yeah, okay. So with that being said,
I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Tell me, do you think it's weird or odd or strength?
I think it's so and it's not. I don't have
the words. I'm looking for the word. I don't have
it yet to describe it. But doing our come up years,
there are so many of us. I think whether it's different,
you know, like I said, different disciplines. I'm a broadcast journalist,
(24:17):
I love sports, you're a comedian, you're an actress. But
our come up years, people have actually done the thing,
you know what I mean. They have pursued the dream
and you've seen them accomplish things in a very successful manner,
whether that be Hassin or you or Tony Baker. You know,
(24:37):
I think it's really special and I all want, I
really want to know. Does everyone know have a circle
like that? Do you think of your friends that moved
here or that you've met along the way, who've tried
to achieve this dream? And I don't necessarily need you
to describe the dream, but the make it dream them
come to Hollywood or to be here and have a
(24:58):
passion and love something and really do it at the
highest level. Do you find it fascinating when you look
around and see your peers who have done that, when
you watch them come up along with yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
More than I find it fascinating, I find it affirming.
Hey amen, Yeah, I find it affirming. Like I was
doing an MPR interview and the the the journalist asked
me about hasten It, and I remembered in that moment
we were new faces at JFL together.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Today, as I was talking to my friend Sydney about you,
I'm like, you know, I remember seeing carry on the
red carpet, you know, like like I remember that, like
you remember it? Yeah, yeah, you know. I I think
of my very very close friend who has shared her
story with the world. But Tabitha Brown, I'm not. I
(25:52):
would imagine that you're familiar with Tabitha Brown, yes, and
I just I just love when she posts like her face.
I'm not this type of person. I'm not like the
person is gonna declare something online and forget about it.
I'm much more private in that way, you know. But
she will reach she'll repost like something from fifteen years
ago where she said, you know, I want this, and
(26:15):
it's so specific to her life now, and it's so
like I remember the day I met her. I remember
sitting on the phone with her and consoling her through
a job of nine to five that she wasn't the
uber driving and she talks about where her first video
went viral. I remember being like, I'm so worried you're
(26:36):
in an uber, Like be safe? I remember, And so
now it's just like it really is like our dreams
are coming true. And so it's affirming. And for the
people who are in my circle who feel they haven't
quite touched that yet, I hope that they're seeing us
(26:58):
if it's me or whoever ever, you know as examples
that like you just just keep at it. You know,
and you'll have success. It's affirming.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I love that. That's a beautiful word. I didn't have
it affroation. I'm moving, I'm on the same path that
I'm supposed to be on. And I love that I
have attracted people who have that same youenergy, who have
that same dream and they're living their dreams away in
which I am. I think that's beautiful. And there are
so many that I can think of. Sometime some escape me,
some don't, but I do think it's a beautiful. It's
(27:31):
beautiful for me to witness. I celebrate success.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I really do. Thank you and you too, oh my,
oh my god. Like I mean, I'm gonna be honest
with you, Carrie. I think I thought you were already successful,
like I do celebrate your success. But it was like
it was like I was looking at you, like yeah, yeah,
she's already successful. Look at her work, you know. I mean,
(27:57):
I I celebrate your continual success. I received that, I receive.
What is what is fascinating is how many different lanes
we find ourselves in. You know, I don't think that
when I used to watch you host, I don't think
(28:20):
or do you know, do interviews with them? I don't
think that I knew you were into sports. I don't
think I knew that, you know, and then to find
that out in this in this huge way, it's just
that's what's fascinating to me. You know, it's fascinating that
when I met my friend Tabatha, she she was famous
(28:41):
for making these turkey legs, like in the friend group,
it was these turkey legs. But the very thing that
kind of catapulted to her was the change in her diet.
You know, Like, that's fascinating to me watching watching Tony
Baker because you mentioned him, watching him and and knowing
what my favorite jokes are of his and watching him
(29:04):
his comedian, but then seeing the world really gravitate towards
him being the voice of animals, you know, like it's
really just fascinating to see the many different lanes that
we are creating for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think in that same vein and talking about your special,
which which released some prime Amazon Prime video is available now.
It's available now, going and going and watch y'all, y'all know, yes,
watch it. He drops off, why why that title? Without
giving away everything? Why that title? And what what does
(29:42):
it summarize or what does it encapsulate for you.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, he jabs off is quite literal on one part
of it because I am a Muslim woman and I
don't wear a jab, and so it's just literal. Also,
I just also I just wanted to like create space.
Like one of my one of my favorite jokes on
the it's an early joke on a special is. You
(30:08):
know a lot of people say that I'm not Muslim
because I don't wear hejab, and I say, well, this
is a wig, so technically, you know it is it
is very much, you know, And so I just I
really wanted to create space for all of the different
(30:28):
Muslim women identities. You know, there's so many of us
that are very proud Muslim women, and how we present
that is very different. And I think that there's space
for all of it. And nobody owns a faith. And
then the last thing, it's just a pun, you know,
when you tell They don't say it anymore, but people
(30:50):
used to say hats offt and hats off was the compliment.
Hats off was you did well, I'm proud of you, Congratulations.
I take my hat off to you because you because
you did something so great, And that was my way
of kind of like, you know, doing like a play,
a play on words. My friend Muhammad, he actually dared me.
(31:11):
He was like, I dare you to name it the
Jabs Off? Why? Why was that so? Why was so throutroversial?
I mean there's certain regions where the special isn't available
because they did they wanted me to change the title. So,
you know, if you feel a certain way, if you're
if you're one of those people that are like, you're
not Muslim, you don't cover your hair, then you're probably
(31:31):
one of those people that feel like a jab's off
is in Islam, we call it haram, like you know,
speaking bad against the religion or against God, you know.
And so he was like, I dare you to do it?
And when I did it, he he when he announced
me came out, he was the first one to call me.
He was like, I can't. I was kidding. I didn't.
(31:54):
I was kidding. I didn't know you were really gonna
do it. I didn't mean it, dare you? I I
was like, wait, did you? And I think he was like,
I mean, you know, it's a fantastic title, but I
didn't think you would go through with it. And I'm like,
it's perfect, perfect.
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Speaker 2 (32:35):
How do you feel and all candidness about screaking about
what's happening in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I don't feel great about it because I don't well
what I can say with you know, no question is
that it's awful. Yeah, but I do feel like most
people want you to take a side, and because people
want you to take a side, you're it doesn't matter
(33:03):
what you say, You'll be attacked, you know, Like I don't.
I don't, Especially when it first happened, I didn't even
feel like I had enough information to speak on it,
so I would repost things from people who I felt
like were adequately informed and educated of those specific backgrounds.
(33:25):
You know what I'm saying, like very close to to
you know, that region and there, like I mean, I
mean literal ties to the people there. You know on
both sides, and the education the knowledge that, like, you know,
they've been talking about it. I thought that I was
doing a good job of posting adequate, fair, objective, but
(33:48):
still very solid and respectful and empathetic h posts. And
still I received, you know, pretty disrespectful messages and pretty
unreasonable requests, you know. So I decided one night I
(34:10):
got on stage after being pursed out a couple of
times via my d MS, and I got on stage
at the Laugh Factory in La and I was like,
you know, if I say I feel bad for Palestinians,
then you know my Jewish fans are going to be
like you ass whole shut the effort. And if I
say I feel bad for you know, people in Israel,
(34:32):
then you know my Muslim fans are going to be
like a stuftful law. And so now we're just talking
about titties tonight. We only talk about it. I didn't
take this ship, for sure, it's.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Right about now, yes, sure, and for short, you know
that was fair of you, and I do feel like
I was reading an article today in The Hollywood Reporter,
and Brian Stefler was saying, I was writing, rather that
they want reporters to take a side, and you can't
report the information without seeming like you're taking aside. And
(35:03):
right now, for me, it's a war on misinformation. I
don't know what to believe.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't know. Everything is so extreme. I know what
to believe.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I know death is wrong, the killing of innocent people
is completely wrong. That's the one thing I can tell
you right now. But you're right, you can't take it.
But I would like to ask you, as a Muslim,
do you feel that oftentimes there is a quiet and
then other times are not so quietism towards you when.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
People find out, Oh, there's definitely I think it's overt.
I think if you go, I do want to acknowledge
that sometimes we see a lot of hate, but the
positive always outweighs it. You know, like when I think
about all of the Muslim both men and women, they
come to me and tell me how funny I am,
(35:58):
how much they feel seen like. I don't want that
to go unnoticed. But if you look under any any post,
any joke where I mentioned that I am Muslim, if
you look under it, you're going to see I'm called
the ant words. A good amount of times you're going
to see that someone is saying that I don't have
(36:18):
any you know, it's like, you know, they're gonna judge me, like,
oh look at her that, you know. Like, I mean,
it's the very reason why I named my special hit
jabs Off. It's the very reason why I have to
bring levity to That's the very reason why I have
to write jokes about it, you know. So yeah, I mean,
(36:39):
racism and sexism like any prejudicem exists, it don't, it doesn't,
it doesn't. I tell a wonderful joke in my special.
Forgive me for but I tell a wonderful, wonderful joke
about That's the point this is promoting the special, Yeah,
I mean, I mean it's it's it's because I do
an act out on this special. It's so funny when
(37:00):
I watch it. It just when I did it in
the moment, it surprised me. But you know, I grew
up in Harlem, which is you know, which is like
in New York, one of the black meccas. I would
even say in this country, you know, at one point,
and I grew up in the masted and surrounded by Muslims,
(37:24):
and so I just thought we were all Muslims. I didn't.
I knew Sunni Muslims, I knew Nation of Islam Muslims.
I knew Somalia Muslims. I knew Senegalese Muslims. I knew
Arab Muslims. I knew Black Muslims. I knew white Muslims.
You know. So I just thought we are Muslims. That
is what we are. Right then nine eleven happened, and
I learned the word Islamophobia, you know. At at A,
(37:47):
I was a teenager, you know. I learned the word Islamophobia.
And I'm like, oh, okay, the world's not messing with Muslims,
you know, and so I need to like stay inside.
I need to protect myself. And I and I was
right there. I'm in the city where this horrific thing happened,
you know, And I remember my friend called me. It
was like, hey, we ain't we haven't seen you in
(38:08):
a while, Like did your father put you on punishment
or something? And I'm like no, you know, it's like
they hate Muslims. So I got to stay inside for
a little while and she was like, girl, you black. Yeah.
Five minutes later, I was outside jumping double Dutch hurd yeah,
(38:31):
you know, but I do. I do like to bring
attention to that because in the United States, specifically, the
growth of Muslims in the United States is attributed to
African Americans. It's attributed to black people. It's not because
a bunch of Arabs or Indians or Asian like. It's
(38:53):
not because so many of them are coming over and no, no, no, no, no,
It's because there's a growing number of Black Americans who
are one. At some point in my history, we've converted
and now we're birthing kids and teaching our kids this faith.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know, was that the case for you your mother
and your father were Muslim or you became Haslem on
your own.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Now, my mother and father were Muslim. They were both
born Christian and then they converted and then they had
Muslate they raised us. We were born and raised Muslim.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I love the story of for someone who grew up
on the other side of the world, literally California seems
like another world, growing up in Pasadying and you know
where that is like another side of the world for
you just describe Parlam as Black Mecca and in this country,
in this world right it is a beautiful space and
for your experience to only feel like it was only us,
(39:49):
you know what I mean? That is a beautiful experience,
and then we realized who then later that's not the case.
Do you find that you must use your platform to
talk talk about who you are in this space? A
black Muslim woman working in a world that doesn't necessarily
know you in an intimate way, but knows you from
(40:10):
what you share.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, I think it's necessary. Maybe necessary isn't the word.
But I would feel like I wasted the time in
the space if I did not share who I am.
Because I often watch things entertain when I was a kid,
(40:36):
I did not have one representation of a black Muslim
woman on TV until I saw the movie Malcolm X.
His Wife, and so I'm like, oh, okay, I didn't
even really see Muslim women. But if if, by off chance,
you catch an episode of Law and Order and they
got a quote unquote terrorist episode, then you might see
(40:57):
an Arab Muslim woman, right. But other than that, I didn't.
I did have no representation, nothing to aspire to, you know, nothing.
I love a different world. I absolutely love a different world.
If I rewrote a different world right now, I would
give them a black Muslim character on the show that
(41:20):
wasn't a trope, that wasn't selling bean pies. And do
you know what I'm saying, you know, acting hotepye somebody
who is just like there are the characters, but also
is of this faith.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And so I feel like because I didn't have that,
who am I to come out here take up this space?
Works so hard to take up space, create a space,
and not make it so that someone like me has someone.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
To look to.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Absolutely it, it just seems pointless if I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I agree, and I'm glad that you're doing it and
such a beautif well alligata and I agree, I whole
hardly agree with you. But I've plastic plate. Where's the
plate we got?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
We all take a collection?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Grant you and creaking Jeb Well can watch it now.
And I know that you can touch on so many
various things, but I think it's important and I wanted
to highlight what is special about you, and there are
so many things, but I do believe we should honor
you as a Muslim woman and what you are doing,
(42:29):
and I don't want there to be any phobias around that. Uh.
I think your success is a testament to the fact
that we have to learn eventually that we all are
the same, no matter how much we want to feel
like you're different. And when when the strike is When
is the strike over? Do you got any inside information
on that? Can you tell me when it's over?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I don't have any insight information on when the SAG
strike is over. I'm sure we all want it to
end because we'd love to get back to work. We'd
love to know what's happening with our life eyes in
the world of film and television, right, we'd love to
know that. I'd love to see new things. I mean,
there's there's you know, there's not I mean it's great.
(43:08):
It's great for my comedy album because it's like there's
not a lot of new stuff coming out, you know.
But but but you know, you don't go on strike
for nothing, that's right, So you know, we have to
come out of this feeling like the sacrifice was not
for no reason.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Hey, you have been rewarded, that you were treated fairly. Absolutely, yeah,
I want to agree with that. Za Nab, thank you
for coming on, thank you for the patience. It's just
been beautiful. I'm just celebrating you quietly in my heart.
It's like pitter pattern. I'm really excited, and it's not
just because of your special but I've been watching and
(43:48):
I've been seeing and.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I'm like my girl, I see her, I see.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Thank you, thank you so much, thank.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
You, thank you affirming. That is what I will say
about Miss Seynab Johnson. I appreciate her honesty too, because
I would be remiss if I just didn't say this
about the war in the Middle East right now, people
do want you to pick a side. You can't have
a conversation about what's happening in Israel with someone saying
(44:17):
you are pro this or anti that. And the reality is,
and I'm keeping this as clean as I can be,
no one who is innocent should have to die, period.
Whatever side you're on, I know you can agree with that.
Innocent people are dying, and that is sad and it's
unfortunate and it's so graphic, and there's so much misinformation
(44:39):
out there that I don't truly believe living in the
United States of America, we can really understand what's happening
a world away. There are those who do have connections
to that region and do understand. I'm speaking to someone
who doesn't understand. So I share Zaynab's sentiments. I just
(45:02):
do not want innocent people to die. It's just that simple,
and it's unfortunate that you can't have this conversation with Nuance.
I thank ze Nab for coming on the podcast today.
I thank you for listening. I asked you to support
her special he jabs off again. It's on Prime, And
(45:24):
thank you for subscribing. Remember leave us a rating, tell
us you love it. We appreciate you. I'll talk to
you all next week.
But if you look under any post, any joke where
I mentioned that I am Muslim, if you look under it,
you're going to see I'm called the N word A
good amount of times. You're going to see that someone
is saying that I don't have any you know, it's like,
you know, they're going to judge me, like, oh, look
at her. I mean, it's the very reason why I
(00:22):
named my special hitch abs Off. It's the very reason
why I have to bring levity to That's the very
reason why I have to write jokes about it, you know,
I mean racism and sexism, like any prejudicem exists.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know that everyone is arguably well aware of what's
happening in the Middle East, and I think that it
seemed pretty apropos and obviously serendipitous that I have comedian
Zaynab Johnson on the podcast today. She is a Muslim woman,
and we don't get into the particulars of the war.
We talk about her comedy special, but she does share
(00:59):
a perspective of that. If I am honest, I was
not aware of Welcome ze Nab Johnson to the podcast, y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
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Speaker 1 (01:30):
Get Nick Ward Affirming.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
That's the title of this podcast, Affirming with ze Nab Johnson.
Zay Nab is an actress, a comedian, and a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Person inside and out.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
And the reason why I use the word affirming is
because I remember za Nab when she was on her
come up, because I was on my come up, and
I would bump into her at the comedy store when
she would go up for sets just to try to,
you know, work on her craft. At the time, I
don't necessarily think she was acting, but I'm sure she
(02:06):
did a short here and there. She was just a
part of a group of us LA kids who were
trying to make it. In her quotes, clearly, in my profession,
I was trying to be the journalist that I ultimately became,
but I was working small markets, which would be the
equivalent of going up on a comedy stage here and there,
hoping to work on my craft.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
My set.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You know, that's what the comedians say. And I would
see say Navin think gosh, she's so beautiful, Got, she's
so smart, Got, she's so funny. I can't wait to
see her pop. And over the years, I've watched her
good roles here and there, and for many people who
have just learned who she is, you might think, oh wow,
this is a new face on the scene. She's an
overnight success. But I can I can testify that it
was a good ten years ago where she and I
(02:52):
were splitting, you know, a chicken sandwich, and by that
I mean not making no money and trying to make
it not chicken per se. So when she comes on
the podcast or when she gets booked on the podcast,
I'm really excited. I'm thinking to myself, I can't wait
to catch up with her. I hope she remembers me.
Of course she does, but you just never know. And
(03:13):
Zey Nab is a first. She just recently debuted her
very first one hour special, he Jabs Off, and that's
on October twenty four, so I can go get it now,
watch it now on Prime, Celebrate her now on Prime,
and you're going to want to hear about her journey.
I think it's interesting to hear about a woman, a
black Muslim woman, who grew up with twelve siblings, thirteen
(03:35):
in all, in Harlem, and how she found her way
to Los Angeles to make it in the big leagues.
Whatever that means, whether that be famous, whether that means
be a famous actress or a comedian. She moved here
in her early twenties to make it, and of course
she did. We talk about that, We talk about her
life as a black Muslim woman in this country. We
(03:57):
talk about her special which incorporates all of that. But
more importantly, we come together on a common goal, which
is the fact that looking at her and her success
and where she came from me visually seeing that is affirming.
Welcome Zanab Johnson to the podcast. Y'all Chapion and Carried chat.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Bey and and Carrie chat Be.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Zanab, this is a really beautiful this is a beautiful moment.
Not that not that I didn't think that you were
always as talented and you'd be doing all these things.
But by way of background, you and I were, We
were on our grind together in different roads. Right. I'm
trying to do my TV thing. You're doing the comedians,
and I'm always thinking. I was just like, ah, she's
just so beautiful. Why doesn't she model? I know people
(04:42):
tell you that all the time, right, I just yea, yeah, yeah,
that was a thing for a while and I was
just like, and you because you were so and still
are so beautiful. I know that people find it distracting,
but I just remember thinking when you would always perform,
when I was in the comedy store with you and
with it kindre my best friend and speaking perform I
(05:03):
always just like, she's so beautiful, She's so beautiful, and
so here we are a beautiful moment.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah. Yeah, the special Hijabs Off is on Prime. And
do I feel successful? Yeah, yeah, I'd say I feel successful.
I feel I feel like every day I am moving
forward and that in and of itself is a success.
(05:29):
And then you have these wonderful like milestones, these things
that you set out to do, and then when you
do them and you release them to the world, it
feels like, oh, okay, this is a kind of this
is like a bigger day, but still like a day.
You know that you get to cross off as a
as a as a moving forward and a wind.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So yeah, so he jobbed off on Prime, released October
twenty fourth. Congratulations on all of your success. I want
to begin with what I did not know, and you
talk about this in your special I'm aware of, but
I did not know that you grew up with twelve siblings.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah I am. Yeah, I mean I feel like I
feel like me talking about my family and how I'm
from like a large family. I feel like they're almost
like seventy percent of my material, like to the point
to the point where I'm like I have to thank
my mom, like thank you for having so many of us,
because if like maybe I wouldn't have any material if
(06:31):
it wasn't for the choice you made. Twelve is a lie.
Where do you rank? Are you middle? Are you towards
the end? Are you the last? I'm in the middle.
I'm the fifth from the top. So I'm the oldest
of the middle bunch because it's like it's thirteen of us,
so you can really break us into threes, right, like
into three parts, and so I am the oldest of
(06:54):
the middle badge. So I don't even know what that means.
It means that I kind of have middle child is
but I also know how to act like the oldest
child too.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So when you are one of thirteen total, Yeah, it's
just that. How does that make you separate and different
and separated from others? I know that you notice how
people move if they're only children versus people who have
two siblings.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
How does that make you? I think I would say
I have two very specific qualities that I believe come
from me being from a part of a large group,
which is, I am constantly seeking to be by myself.
Like I mean to the point where if I'm talking
to my friends and it's like, oh, yeah, let's get together,
(07:43):
and they're like, oh, they have you got a new house?
Should we come to your place? I'm like, no, no, no,
no no, I'll come to you. That way, I can
leave when I want to. I don't have to worry
about waiting for people to leave, Like I am constantly
wanting to be by myself.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I know how to socialize, I know how to interact
with so many people. I know how to divide my attention,
But ultimately, at the end of it, I'm just like, hmm,
my own little space, my leftovers is still in a refrigerator.
Ain't nobody in a bathroom? I'm gonna be able to
just go as soon as I get home, you know,
like yeah, exactly exactly. But then the other thing is
(08:23):
like I know how to like give people attention. Like
I know, it's weird because I'm a standup comedian and
you get on stage and it's like all about you,
but it's not really. I think that's what makes me
really good at being like in the moment and navigating
with the crowd because I'm like, yeah, I know how
to divide my at tension between a whole bunch of
people and be diplomatic with it. And you know, like
(08:45):
I think I think it's like a helpful skill that
I picked up.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
When you and you say you thank your mom because
she's given you so much material I read and you
obviously talk about this too, but you you loved played
basketball growing up, right, This was a thing for you.
This was your your duram, your passion when you were
a teenager.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah yeah, uh yeah, one of them. I definitely loved.
I did play basketball. I loved playing basketball, and I
don't know, maybe when I was in high school the
WNBA came about, yeah, you know, and so that was
an exciting that was an exciting possibility yeah, yeah, and yeah,
(09:28):
and then I you know, I got hip by truck,
and then my my plans or my or the you know,
the thing the way that I thought my life would
go was kind of redirected. And I often it's crazy
because I often think like, hmmm, it's my life better
or worse now?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Like well, yeah, like I think it's so interesting. I mean,
we'll never know unless I have like one of those
kinds of like Scrooge moments where three people come to
visit me from the past, the president of the future
and show me what my you know, like, but I'm like, wow,
I want wonder if you know, if that never happened,
would I be a comedian? Like what what would be
my life? You got hit by a truck? Do you
(10:07):
talk about that often? Or can we talk about it?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You said you I read it could be where I'm
correct me if I'm wrong, you broke two legs and
so it really messed up the jectory. Okay, so where
well how that all happened?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh it was, I'm totally talking about it now, making
light of it and and and and turn it and
turning it into jokes now on stage, which is so
interesting because I always start with a statement, you know,
I always start with the statement that really puts the
audience on edge, like wait a minute, what's about to happen?
(10:42):
And then I kind of reverse engineer it with jokes.
But yeah, I had I got hit by a junk driver.
I was pushing the back of a car. I was
outside of the car, and I was pushing the back
of a car and a junk driver unfortunately slammed into us,
and I had a lot of injuries, broke both my
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legs in multiple places, spent the large majority spent the
rest of my high school senior year in the hospital,
and some time after that I had to learn to
walk again, like all of it, you know, But I think, honestly,
carry I think it's made me like so much stronger
because I think in moments where you know, I'm feeling
(11:25):
any sort of like doubt or fear or like I
don't know, maybe I can't do this, I'm like, well,
a truck ain't keep me down. Like a truck ain't home,
you know, A truck ain't take me out. So not
choosing me ain't gonna take me out. Me not getting
a certain job ain't gonna take me out, you know, like,
I think it really does.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No pun intended ground me. You know, yeah, yeah, right,
in every possible way. Well, and that is arguably something
that I don't know if I'm sitting in the hospital
most of my senior year of high school and after.
I think that forces you to become more wise and
mature in other ways. You can either crack to it
or you can you can understand it. How did your
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family help you get through that?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
My family, they were helpful in the sense that they
did not baby me or coddle me. It was like,
here's the thing about being a part of a large
family is I'm the comedian, but they all believe they're
funnier than me, right, So I just got a lot
(12:29):
of jokes, you know, Like I remember my I remember
my one of my youngest younger brothers saying to me,
like when he saw the scars on my legs, saying
to me like, oh yo, them is your legs?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yo?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Your legs is crazy. I'm Joy's like, wow, like, I
ain't know your legs look like that, right, And right
before I could even feel bad about it, he was like,
but nah, that asked if I wasn't your brother, I
holler at you, and I'm like, Okay, I'm cute. That's support,
you know, that's real support. Like I see that. But
(13:02):
if I didn't love you like how I love you,
I was still try and get with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh I love it. Yeah, you know. But what what
did help me through, like the hospital experience was I
think it was the first time, just getting hit by Chuck.
I think it was the first time that I realized
that I was like just a small part, a very
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very small speckle in this world. And you know, as
like a teenager, you can feel like the world revolves
around you. You can feel like, you know what I'm saying,
like everything rises and sets on you. Your world is
so mass. But it made me feel really small in
two ways. One, the other girl who was in the
accident with me, her leg was amputated, and so that
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was immediate perspective right there for me, like, oh, yeah,
I think this is terrible, but that's worse, you know.
And then when I went into a rehabilitation hospital in
New York, all the times there were dealing with cerebral palsy,
they were dealing with all of these like these life
long illnesses and they were such small kids and then
(14:09):
such distress and pain and couldn't even you know, it's like, yeah,
from the waist down, I was kind of hindered, but
I was still kind of like, you know, yeah, and
so yeah, you're moving. Yeah, I was moving, I was talking,
I was thinking, I was I was still experiencing high
levels of joy, you know. And so that really put
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things into perspective for me, and I think just really
sent me off in my healing and also my my
constant awareness of like gratitude.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's beautiful, I think, in perspective, is beautiful. And I
think if you were able to have it in the moment,
that's even more special.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Special.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
We have to pay some bills, Yeah, I understand what
I'm saying by that. Normally I asked you to push
that fast forward and fast ward, fast forward, fast forward.
So and you just do that and we'll be right
back in just a few moments.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
Hey everybody, I appreciate you so much. Welcome back to
the podcast. I have more with Zey Nab Johnson you
then have And what I'm what I'm getting at is
that I've I noticed that you've had a few things
in your life that really put you on this trajectory
to be a comedian, because from my understanding, that's not
necessarily what you wanted to be growing up. You're a
(15:48):
fan of it. You and your mother, your mother was
in theater. You rehearse lines with your mom. I didn't
I don't know if someone grows up, especially you know,
and you know, so it says I want to be
a comedian? Was and you had some life altering experiences
that led you here. Would you say your your father's
passing was one of those.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I think my father's passing definitely led me to California,
like you know, just that, like I don't know, I
was probably like twenty three years old. I think, And
my friend was like, who at the time have been
like twenty two. She was like, I'm moving to LA
to be famous. And I think the thing that that
sounds ridiculous, Yeah, but it's so funny. People people declare
(16:33):
that every single day and get in their car or
on a bus or on a plane whatever. And I
and while I think I would have eventually made it
out here, I think my father's passing really put the
fire under my behind, like, yeah, you don't know what's
going to happen. His death was sudden.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
My father wasn't sick, he wasn't old, he wasn't it
was sudden, and so it made me feel like, oh,
you know, tomorrow's not promised, so you better try and
do everything you can today, you know. And so that's
that was the thing that really really pushed me to
do it. Also, carry you know, you can't have your friend.
I mean, Kendrick's good because you're so You're You're just
(17:14):
big personality in the world and its name and faith
and in voice and perspective that everybody knows, you know.
But I was thinking, I can't be the friends of
the famous person. I gotta be famous too. You know.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That was that's a motivation be famous too. So you guys,
you moved here, and what do you do when you
move to LA? I love these stories.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I mean, you get on Actors Access, you sign up
for any casting thing that you you try to figure out, like, okay,
what's my place? You know, like do I go to
a do I go to a dramatic acting class, a
scene study class? Or do I go into like the
Groundlings or you know, UCB, Like you try to figure
(18:03):
it out. I was doing all of that, Like I
was in a scene study class. I was doing you know,
improv classes and really not even just so much just
to have a little bit of skill, but also to
make friends. You know, LA can get so lonely and
it's like I did have my one close friend, but
(18:23):
it's like I realized that wasn't enough, Like you need
to get out there and meet people, you know. Then
I walked. I will say this was probably the thing
about me that I'm sure most people don't do when
they come out here is walk. I'm a New Yorker.
I'm used to walking. I can walk for hours and
days with my eyes closed and to like fill the
(18:47):
time and learn the city. I would just walk from
Los Feliss from Echo Park or Silver Lake, all the
way to Beverly Hills, all the way to Santa Monica,
all the way Wow, and I would discover new things.
It's like maybe one day the walk would be about like, Ooh,
I'm going to discover like a fun new cafe somewhere
that I can get like a good cheap bite to eat. Oh,
(19:09):
but today I'm gonna walk in. I'm gonna go into
three open houses, you know, like really, like that's really
what helped me learn the city and kept me occupied.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
For people who are listening and they are not from
Los Angeles, a walk from Los Felis to Beverly and Hills,
I would say hours.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I don't remember an hour two Like.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That's a that's a cool forty five minute drive with traffic.
So you were walking and learning the city, and I
think that's smart. I think that is arguably the best
thing you can do. As someone who now spends a
lot of time in New York, I walk more too.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
It's the thing. You just walk.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
He walks when I want to get an uber and
they're like, what you mean, it's only twenty blocks. I'm like,
it's only twenty blocks. I'm from La, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
So it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
And when you and when you were looking for work
or did you work like and as you signed up
for all the resources to help you be you know
in this in this game, where did you work in
the meantime to suffer in the stream?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I worked at a spot at first because I went
to school. I have a degree in education in math
and so s I was substitute teaching at first. And
the quickest way to get in substitute teaching in La,
I realized, is to go to like camps, which are
really kind of jails. Yeah huh. And so I realized like, oh, okay,
(20:33):
I'm going to a jail today, Like yeah, they're the
people that the kids that I'm teaching are boys like
under eighteen, but they're still like locked up, you know.
And after doing that a couple of times and having
some incidences happened, I was like, Okay, I didn't leave
New York to put myself in danger, you know. And
(20:55):
so I was like, okay, let me find another program.
And so I did two things. I got with this woman,
I believe her name is Lee Curran, and she ran
this wonderful arts program. So when I moved here, this
was at the time where all the school all LA
what's the school system here, the public school system La
LA Universe. They were losing all of their programs, like
(21:17):
any of the arts, the gyms, you know that they
were losing all of the budget cuts. And so then
there was this wonderful outside program that started in New York,
and so she moved it to LA And what she
would do is bring artists into the classroom and we
would teach, we would teach, you know, improv we would
teach art, we would teach theater, you know. And so
I was doing that, but also working at a spa. Okay,
(21:40):
so that's two things that Yeah, you know, a little spa.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Maybe get a massage because you know, you get a discount.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Maybe we'll take sure little product. Yeah, a little bit
of both. I too, were all throughout college.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
So yes, I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Really. What's that?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah? Well, what Burt Williams were you at?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Shut the front girl? Uh huh? I worked at the
Burke Williams right on West Hollywood. It's not there, I
mean right on Sunset and West Hollywood. It's not there. Anymore.
It's not.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
I worked at the original one in Santa Monica on
off a third street, off a third treet Femino.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Wow, yes we can.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We can offline about who might have been your boss
back in the day. Did you ever meet the owners
where the owners around was a woman n in Karen around?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Uh, you don't remember so long ago. I can't remember.
My memory is bad. I wasn't there super long, but
my memory is not that great either. But I do
remember that location used to get a lot of celebrities
and that was like sting real of it, you know. Yeah,
that really was like seeing for massage. Okay, that's so funny. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
And then I I don't know when was the time
I met you, but I believe the time I met you,
you were working the circuit like you were working, and
I knew that Kendrick Carter, who I've mentioned with this
program before, because every time I have a comedian come
on my show or or on my podcast, I have
some and some some weird former fashion I know them
(23:13):
like Hassan and hanj you know what I mean. And
I saw him, you know, he did your He put
a congratulations post up for you.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I think the other, which I thought not told me. Yeah,
he told you. He was like, no, well I saw
it and I was like, oh, that's so sweet of you, Hasten,
and he was like, oh, my sister was at your taping.
And I was like, oh, I didn't even know. It's
so many people. It's a it's a it's a good
amount of like my peers who would tell me like, yeah,
(23:39):
my brother or my sister or my cousin was at
or my spouse was at your taping. And I'm like, yeah,
how wonderful. Yeah yeah, okay. So with that being said,
I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Tell me, do you think it's weird or odd or strength?
I think it's so and it's not. I don't have
the words. I'm looking for the word. I don't have
it yet to describe it. But doing our come up years,
there are so many of us. I think whether it's different,
you know, like I said, different disciplines. I'm a broadcast journalist,
(24:17):
I love sports, you're a comedian, you're an actress. But
our come up years, people have actually done the thing,
you know what I mean. They have pursued the dream
and you've seen them accomplish things in a very successful manner,
whether that be Hassin or you or Tony Baker. You know,
(24:37):
I think it's really special and I all want, I
really want to know. Does everyone know have a circle
like that? Do you think of your friends that moved
here or that you've met along the way, who've tried
to achieve this dream? And I don't necessarily need you
to describe the dream, but the make it dream them
come to Hollywood or to be here and have a
(24:58):
passion and love something and really do it at the
highest level. Do you find it fascinating when you look
around and see your peers who have done that, when
you watch them come up along with yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
More than I find it fascinating, I find it affirming.
Hey amen, Yeah, I find it affirming. Like I was
doing an MPR interview and the the the journalist asked
me about hasten It, and I remembered in that moment
we were new faces at JFL together.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Today, as I was talking to my friend Sydney about you,
I'm like, you know, I remember seeing carry on the
red carpet, you know, like like I remember that, like
you remember it? Yeah, yeah, you know. I I think
of my very very close friend who has shared her
story with the world. But Tabitha Brown, I'm not. I
(25:52):
would imagine that you're familiar with Tabitha Brown, yes, and
I just I just love when she posts like her face.
I'm not this type of person. I'm not like the
person is gonna declare something online and forget about it.
I'm much more private in that way, you know. But
she will reach she'll repost like something from fifteen years
ago where she said, you know, I want this, and
(26:15):
it's so specific to her life now, and it's so
like I remember the day I met her. I remember
sitting on the phone with her and consoling her through
a job of nine to five that she wasn't the
uber driving and she talks about where her first video
went viral. I remember being like, I'm so worried you're
(26:36):
in an uber, Like be safe? I remember, And so
now it's just like it really is like our dreams
are coming true. And so it's affirming. And for the
people who are in my circle who feel they haven't
quite touched that yet, I hope that they're seeing us
(26:58):
if it's me or whoever ever, you know as examples
that like you just just keep at it. You know,
and you'll have success. It's affirming.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I love that. That's a beautiful word. I didn't have
it affroation. I'm moving, I'm on the same path that
I'm supposed to be on. And I love that I
have attracted people who have that same youenergy, who have
that same dream and they're living their dreams away in
which I am. I think that's beautiful. And there are
so many that I can think of. Sometime some escape me,
some don't, but I do think it's a beautiful. It's
(27:31):
beautiful for me to witness. I celebrate success.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I really do. Thank you and you too, oh my,
oh my god. Like I mean, I'm gonna be honest
with you, Carrie. I think I thought you were already successful,
like I do celebrate your success. But it was like
it was like I was looking at you, like yeah, yeah,
she's already successful. Look at her work, you know. I mean,
(27:57):
I I celebrate your continual success. I received that, I receive.
What is what is fascinating is how many different lanes
we find ourselves in. You know, I don't think that
when I used to watch you host, I don't think
(28:20):
or do you know, do interviews with them? I don't
think that I knew you were into sports. I don't
think I knew that, you know, and then to find
that out in this in this huge way, it's just
that's what's fascinating to me. You know, it's fascinating that
when I met my friend Tabatha, she she was famous
(28:41):
for making these turkey legs, like in the friend group,
it was these turkey legs. But the very thing that
kind of catapulted to her was the change in her diet.
You know, Like, that's fascinating to me watching watching Tony
Baker because you mentioned him, watching him and and knowing
what my favorite jokes are of his and watching him
(29:04):
his comedian, but then seeing the world really gravitate towards
him being the voice of animals, you know, like it's
really just fascinating to see the many different lanes that
we are creating for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think in that same vein and talking about your special,
which which released some prime Amazon Prime video is available now.
It's available now, going and going and watch y'all, y'all know, yes,
watch it. He drops off, why why that title? Without
giving away everything? Why that title? And what what does
(29:42):
it summarize or what does it encapsulate for you.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, he jabs off is quite literal on one part
of it because I am a Muslim woman and I
don't wear a jab, and so it's just literal. Also,
I just also I just wanted to like create space.
Like one of my one of my favorite jokes on
the it's an early joke on a special is. You
(30:08):
know a lot of people say that I'm not Muslim
because I don't wear hejab, and I say, well, this
is a wig, so technically, you know it is it
is very much, you know, And so I just I
really wanted to create space for all of the different
(30:28):
Muslim women identities. You know, there's so many of us
that are very proud Muslim women, and how we present
that is very different. And I think that there's space
for all of it. And nobody owns a faith. And
then the last thing, it's just a pun, you know,
when you tell They don't say it anymore, but people
(30:50):
used to say hats offt and hats off was the compliment.
Hats off was you did well, I'm proud of you, Congratulations.
I take my hat off to you because you because
you did something so great, And that was my way
of kind of like, you know, doing like a play,
a play on words. My friend Muhammad, he actually dared me.
(31:11):
He was like, I dare you to name it the
Jabs Off? Why? Why was that so? Why was so throutroversial?
I mean there's certain regions where the special isn't available
because they did they wanted me to change the title. So,
you know, if you feel a certain way, if you're
if you're one of those people that are like, you're
not Muslim, you don't cover your hair, then you're probably
(31:31):
one of those people that feel like a jab's off
is in Islam, we call it haram, like you know,
speaking bad against the religion or against God, you know.
And so he was like, I dare you to do it?
And when I did it, he he when he announced
me came out, he was the first one to call me.
He was like, I can't. I was kidding. I didn't.
(31:54):
I was kidding. I didn't know you were really gonna
do it. I didn't mean it, dare you? I I
was like, wait, did you? And I think he was like,
I mean, you know, it's a fantastic title, but I
didn't think you would go through with it. And I'm like,
it's perfect, perfect.
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Speaker 2 (32:35):
How do you feel and all candidness about screaking about
what's happening in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I don't feel great about it because I don't well
what I can say with you know, no question is
that it's awful. Yeah, but I do feel like most
people want you to take a side, and because people
want you to take a side, you're it doesn't matter
(33:03):
what you say, You'll be attacked, you know, Like I don't.
I don't, Especially when it first happened, I didn't even
feel like I had enough information to speak on it,
so I would repost things from people who I felt
like were adequately informed and educated of those specific backgrounds.
(33:25):
You know what I'm saying, like very close to to
you know, that region and there, like I mean, I
mean literal ties to the people there. You know on
both sides, and the education the knowledge that, like, you know,
they've been talking about it. I thought that I was
doing a good job of posting adequate, fair, objective, but
(33:48):
still very solid and respectful and empathetic h posts. And
still I received, you know, pretty disrespectful messages and pretty
unreasonable requests, you know. So I decided one night I
(34:10):
got on stage after being pursed out a couple of
times via my d MS, and I got on stage
at the Laugh Factory in La and I was like,
you know, if I say I feel bad for Palestinians,
then you know my Jewish fans are going to be
like you ass whole shut the effort. And if I
say I feel bad for you know, people in Israel,
(34:32):
then you know my Muslim fans are going to be
like a stuftful law. And so now we're just talking
about titties tonight. We only talk about it. I didn't
take this ship, for sure, it's.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Right about now, yes, sure, and for short, you know
that was fair of you, and I do feel like
I was reading an article today in The Hollywood Reporter,
and Brian Stefler was saying, I was writing, rather that
they want reporters to take a side, and you can't
report the information without seeming like you're taking aside. And
(35:03):
right now, for me, it's a war on misinformation. I
don't know what to believe.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't know. Everything is so extreme. I know what
to believe.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I know death is wrong, the killing of innocent people
is completely wrong. That's the one thing I can tell
you right now. But you're right, you can't take it.
But I would like to ask you, as a Muslim,
do you feel that oftentimes there is a quiet and
then other times are not so quietism towards you when.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
People find out, Oh, there's definitely I think it's overt.
I think if you go, I do want to acknowledge
that sometimes we see a lot of hate, but the
positive always outweighs it. You know, like when I think
about all of the Muslim both men and women, they
come to me and tell me how funny I am,
(35:58):
how much they feel seen like. I don't want that
to go unnoticed. But if you look under any any post,
any joke where I mentioned that I am Muslim, if
you look under it, you're going to see I'm called
the ant words. A good amount of times you're going
to see that someone is saying that I don't have
(36:18):
any you know, it's like, you know, they're gonna judge me, like,
oh look at her that, you know. Like, I mean,
it's the very reason why I named my special hit
jabs Off. It's the very reason why I have to
bring levity to That's the very reason why I have
to write jokes about it, you know. So yeah, I mean,
(36:39):
racism and sexism like any prejudicem exists, it don't, it doesn't,
it doesn't. I tell a wonderful joke in my special.
Forgive me for but I tell a wonderful, wonderful joke
about That's the point this is promoting the special, Yeah,
I mean, I mean it's it's it's because I do
an act out on this special. It's so funny when
(37:00):
I watch it. It just when I did it in
the moment, it surprised me. But you know, I grew
up in Harlem, which is you know, which is like
in New York, one of the black meccas. I would
even say in this country, you know, at one point,
and I grew up in the masted and surrounded by Muslims,
(37:24):
and so I just thought we were all Muslims. I didn't.
I knew Sunni Muslims, I knew Nation of Islam Muslims.
I knew Somalia Muslims. I knew Senegalese Muslims. I knew
Arab Muslims. I knew Black Muslims. I knew white Muslims.
You know. So I just thought we are Muslims. That
is what we are. Right then nine eleven happened, and
I learned the word Islamophobia, you know. At at A,
(37:47):
I was a teenager, you know. I learned the word Islamophobia.
And I'm like, oh, okay, the world's not messing with Muslims,
you know, and so I need to like stay inside.
I need to protect myself. And I and I was
right there. I'm in the city where this horrific thing happened,
you know, And I remember my friend called me. It
was like, hey, we ain't we haven't seen you in
(38:08):
a while, Like did your father put you on punishment
or something? And I'm like no, you know, it's like
they hate Muslims. So I got to stay inside for
a little while and she was like, girl, you black. Yeah.
Five minutes later, I was outside jumping double Dutch hurd yeah,
(38:31):
you know, but I do. I do like to bring
attention to that because in the United States, specifically, the
growth of Muslims in the United States is attributed to
African Americans. It's attributed to black people. It's not because
a bunch of Arabs or Indians or Asian like. It's
(38:53):
not because so many of them are coming over and no, no, no, no, no,
It's because there's a growing number of Black Americans who
are one. At some point in my history, we've converted
and now we're birthing kids and teaching our kids this faith.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know, was that the case for you your mother
and your father were Muslim or you became Haslem on
your own.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Now, my mother and father were Muslim. They were both
born Christian and then they converted and then they had
Muslate they raised us. We were born and raised Muslim.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I love the story of for someone who grew up
on the other side of the world, literally California seems
like another world, growing up in Pasadying and you know
where that is like another side of the world for
you just describe Parlam as Black Mecca and in this country,
in this world right it is a beautiful space and
for your experience to only feel like it was only us,
(39:49):
you know what I mean? That is a beautiful experience,
and then we realized who then later that's not the case.
Do you find that you must use your platform to
talk talk about who you are in this space? A
black Muslim woman working in a world that doesn't necessarily
know you in an intimate way, but knows you from
(40:10):
what you share.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, I think it's necessary. Maybe necessary isn't the word.
But I would feel like I wasted the time in
the space if I did not share who I am.
Because I often watch things entertain when I was a kid,
(40:36):
I did not have one representation of a black Muslim
woman on TV until I saw the movie Malcolm X.
His Wife, and so I'm like, oh, okay, I didn't
even really see Muslim women. But if if, by off chance,
you catch an episode of Law and Order and they
got a quote unquote terrorist episode, then you might see
(40:57):
an Arab Muslim woman, right. But other than that, I didn't.
I did have no representation, nothing to aspire to, you know, nothing.
I love a different world. I absolutely love a different world.
If I rewrote a different world right now, I would
give them a black Muslim character on the show that
(41:20):
wasn't a trope, that wasn't selling bean pies. And do
you know what I'm saying, you know, acting hotepye somebody
who is just like there are the characters, but also
is of this faith.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
And so I feel like because I didn't have that,
who am I to come out here take up this space?
Works so hard to take up space, create a space,
and not make it so that someone like me has someone.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
To look to.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Absolutely it, it just seems pointless if I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I agree, and I'm glad that you're doing it and
such a beautif well alligata and I agree, I whole
hardly agree with you. But I've plastic plate. Where's the
plate we got?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
We all take a collection?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Grant you and creaking Jeb Well can watch it now.
And I know that you can touch on so many
various things, but I think it's important and I wanted
to highlight what is special about you, and there are
so many things, but I do believe we should honor
you as a Muslim woman and what you are doing,
(42:29):
and I don't want there to be any phobias around that. Uh.
I think your success is a testament to the fact
that we have to learn eventually that we all are
the same, no matter how much we want to feel
like you're different. And when when the strike is When
is the strike over? Do you got any inside information
on that? Can you tell me when it's over?
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I don't have any insight information on when the SAG
strike is over. I'm sure we all want it to
end because we'd love to get back to work. We'd
love to know what's happening with our life eyes in
the world of film and television, right, we'd love to
know that. I'd love to see new things. I mean,
there's there's you know, there's not I mean it's great.
(43:08):
It's great for my comedy album because it's like there's
not a lot of new stuff coming out, you know.
But but but you know, you don't go on strike
for nothing, that's right, So you know, we have to
come out of this feeling like the sacrifice was not
for no reason.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Hey, you have been rewarded, that you were treated fairly. Absolutely, yeah,
I want to agree with that. Za Nab, thank you
for coming on, thank you for the patience. It's just
been beautiful. I'm just celebrating you quietly in my heart.
It's like pitter pattern. I'm really excited, and it's not
just because of your special but I've been watching and
(43:48):
I've been seeing and.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I'm like my girl, I see her, I see.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Thank you, thank you so much, thank.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
You, thank you affirming. That is what I will say
about Miss Seynab Johnson. I appreciate her honesty too, because
I would be remiss if I just didn't say this
about the war in the Middle East right now, people
do want you to pick a side. You can't have
a conversation about what's happening in Israel with someone saying
(44:17):
you are pro this or anti that. And the reality is,
and I'm keeping this as clean as I can be,
no one who is innocent should have to die, period.
Whatever side you're on, I know you can agree with that.
Innocent people are dying, and that is sad and it's
unfortunate and it's so graphic, and there's so much misinformation
(44:39):
out there that I don't truly believe living in the
United States of America, we can really understand what's happening
a world away. There are those who do have connections
to that region and do understand. I'm speaking to someone
who doesn't understand. So I share Zaynab's sentiments. I just
(45:02):
do not want innocent people to die. It's just that simple,
and it's unfortunate that you can't have this conversation with Nuance.
I thank ze Nab for coming on the podcast today.
I thank you for listening. I asked you to support
her special he jabs off again. It's on Prime, And
(45:24):
thank you for subscribing. Remember leave us a rating, tell
us you love it. We appreciate you. I'll talk to
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