America, America IS a Racist Country

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America.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
America is a racis country.

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To talk about.

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We have to discuss Donald Trump dominating corn rows and
white mountains, and by that.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I mean Iowa, New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
We don't want to talk about Donald Trump, but he
is the front runner of the Republican Party, so we
do want to talk about what happen in Iowa and
really just a GOP field as a whole. We're also
going to get into some conversation around outreach.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
The black voters. What is our ask and what should
be our ask?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
How about that?

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But stay with us and until the end of the show,
because as you all know, each episode, uh, myself and
my co host were we got a testimony and we
are each going to share what happened with us since.

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Y'all last heard from us.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
And so at the end of this episode, I am
going to answer a question I've been asked a lot
over the last year, and that is what exactly happened
with me at MSNBC, So stick around because I got
a testimony for y'all today. All right, Angela Andrew, what
y'all want to do? Where should we kick it off?
I kind of want to get into Iowa just to

(03:46):
get it out the way, to be honest, get it
out the way, get it out the way.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Well, I'll kick us off.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I just want to play this SoundBite from this full
ass clown. See I already let a curse hoorse slip through.
But this man is so ridiculous. The people who call
themselves pro life, okay, uh.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
This is their leader? Is this your king? Take a
listen to this and we'll talk about it on the
other side.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
So if you want to save America from Brook and
Joe Biden, you must go call this tomorrow for the
first step, the first step.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
We're gonna do it.

Speaker 7 (04:18):
We gotta do it big.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
You gotta get life.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
You can't sit home if you're sick as a dog.
Even if you vote and then pass away, it's worth it.
If you're sick, if you're just a shinky cat, don't it.
I don't think get up.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Get up.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Please miss me.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
The next time you see a bunch of maga half
witted folks holding up pro life signs.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
You do realize these people are laughing at this man
talking about the meaning that you have to die. He
is dead serious, is he ain't joking?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
He's like, sacrifice your life for me. This is the
man who was behind an insurrection that like little lukewarm
admonishing he gave to his followers on January sixth, twenty
twenty one. This is the same man today and forevermore.
He absolutely wants them to risk it off for him,
off a dream. He's selling a dream that is all

(05:19):
of the rest of our nightmare. And he really wants
these folks to get out here and do this on
behalf of their racism. We know exactly what it is.
We're not confused.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
He's a fraud.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I mean, even like with the wall, like Mexico's gonna
pay for the wall, like his donors have been paying
for this false effort that's not happening. His donors have
been paying his legal fees. I mean, he is the
biggest welfare recipient of these folks, and they keep.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Falling for it.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
But honestly, I kind of feel like this whole GOP field,
they're all garbage, you know, I wasn't surprised at what
happened in Iowa, but we kind of talked about this
last week. I do feel like when these reporters are
on the ground in Iowa talking to these voters, not
once did I hear anybody ask how do you account
for the racist comments that you've heard from all of

(06:02):
these candidates? At any given point, all of these candidates
have said something acid nine and racist, and nobody ever
has to account for that, least of all Nimrada, who
you might know as Nikki Hayley uh Love.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Check this out. Listen to what she said.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Are you a racist party? Are you involved in a
racist party?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
No?

Speaker 8 (06:24):
We're not a racist country, Brian. We've never been a
racist country. Our goal is to make sure that today
is better than yesterday. Are we perfect? No, But our
goal is to always make sure we try and be
more perfect if every day that we can. I know
I faced racism when I was growing up, but I
can tell you today is a lot better than it
was then. Our goal is to lift up everybody, not

(06:46):
go and divide people on race or gender, or party
or anything else. We've had enough of that in America.
That's why I'm so passionate about doing this. I don't
want my kids growing up where they're sitting there thinking
that their disadvantage because of a color or a gen.
I want them to know that if they work hard,
they can do and be anything they.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Want to be in America, lord hip.

Speaker 9 (07:08):
Like what.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
First of all, here's my house.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
I just marvel at the privilege, the privilege, the privilege
it must be to exempt yourself out of what is
so many of ours every single day reality, multiple times
a day, so much so it's baked into the case
we don't even count anymore.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
But Andrew, did she exempt herself? I don't think she did.
First of all, let's there's three issues here. The first
issue is she's the question was are you a racist party?
She talks about not a racist country. She couldn't even
answer that part for a reason.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
The second was yah.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
The second thing is we're not a racist country from
when Nikki from it's founding from the sixties and the
Montgomery bus boycotts and the voting rights protest or is
it that racism ended right after you experienced racism? Because
you're saying what you don't want your kids to experience,
But what you're certainly not saying is that they have

(08:10):
not experienced it. So what I think that Nikki or Nimrata,
as Tif said, is masterful at talking out of both
sides of her mouth, just like Alita. Her leader is
Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
If you're confused, Hey, Angela, we don't want to be
talking to our kids about them being disadvantaged in any way,
shape or form. I don't want to have to talk
to my boys about what it means to have to
demure themselves in dark spaces or as they encounter people
who are not of color in authority, or how they

(08:46):
may encounter our neighbors down the street after dawn or dust.
And so Nikki or miss Haley former governor, we agree
with you. We don't want to have to talk to
our kids about that either. But what what what I
don't understand Tiff and Angela, is what is the point
of all of this right now? The the the persuading

(09:11):
by the candidates from the leader of the party Trump,
you know, all the way down to the bottom of
the pits DeSantis. They're all trumpeting this racist brand of politics,
and it's there's there's there's no it's not veiled, there's
no thin layer between. This is the most obvious set
of stuff I've ever seen. And I almost said a word,

(09:32):
but we've been admonished not to use bad words about
our parents, and I'm serious. But that's a sidebar. We'll
talk about that later on this topic. Though, the very
founder of our country, the great and original sin. Every
major conflict domestically that has popped up, that has galvanized,
intended to divide our nation, going even to the Civil War,

(09:55):
where more Americans were killed and in that war than
in every war we have ever fought as a nation
from then forward combined, what is strong enough to divide
a nation so fiercely that you could cut down your
fellow American and not think again about it. Well, I'll

(10:19):
tell you what that thing is. And it's the same
complexity that the founders themselves faced in Philadelphia when they
decided to make us three four us. Since the beginning
of time, there has never been a person, a human
regardless of what they're hue, that has any that has

(10:43):
been anything other than human. So at what point did
the country come to the realization that we were then
human and therefore entitled to human treatment?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, you know, I think most of our listeners know
that this. Of course, the country is a racist country.
It was founded on racism. I think a lot of
people want to believe this fairy tale about America that
they were spoon fed and have a willful ignorance about
the real origin of the United States of America. But

(11:19):
we know our listeners know Nimrada is saying these things
to a very specific audience. She is speaking to white America.
She's saying, I know I'm brown, but I don't think
like those brown folks. I know I have an ethnic name,
but if you call me Nikki, will that make you
more comfortable? Then will you let me play at your table?
Then will you let me sit at the head of
the table. And we're going to see how a very racist,

(11:42):
maga extremist voting block responds to her, because she's doing
all of this for very little reward. If you think
by Kyle toeing to this group of people that they're
going to say, Okay, well, we don't like the rest
of y'all, but we'll make an exception for you, baby girl,
You in for a rude awakening.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
It ain't gonna happen like that.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
I don't even need to waste my breath trying to
convince somebody it's a racist country. History can tell you
that we are trying to force America to fulfill the
promise that so many other people think she's already fulfilled.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
That's where the work is.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
But this is why, and this is why I am dumbfounded.
Which is why. What is the point to this right now?
What value add does it have for us to litigate
this this this this topic of where we racist?

Speaker 9 (12:27):
What?

Speaker 5 (12:28):
Why did the Civil War occur?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Why are these people know why?

Speaker 5 (12:32):
I ain't gonna say everybody, but why are these people
so terrified of the future that they're so willing to
just grasp to the past as their greatest achievements? About that,
but I got to I believe in a better future.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know why?

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Vice President Harris responded to this. Angel I didn't see it,
but Angela, you saw it.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah. Anna Navarro asks uh Kamala Harris about this uh
statement by Nikki Haley, and she responds on the view,
do you agree that America has never been a racist country?

Speaker 10 (13:08):
You know, I first of all, and I think everyone agrees.
We all agree the history of racism in America should
never be the subject of a SoundBite or a question
that is meant to elicit a one sentence answer. But
there is no denying that we have in our history
as a nation racism, and that racism has played a

(13:33):
role in the history of our nation. And when I
think about it, I think we all would agree that
while it is part of our past and we see
vestiges of it today, we should also be committed collectively
to not letting it define the future of our country.

(13:56):
But we cannot get to a place of progress on
the issue of race by denying the existence of racism,
by denying the history of racism.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
You know what is most unfortunate to me and tiff
and Andrew, I really want to hear your thoughts on this.
I don't think that there's a politician running for national
office who answers this question. Well, like if we can
just not both sides this but just talk about it
for what it is. I remember when President Obama was
asked if he was the president of Black he said

(14:30):
he wasn't the president of Black America. He's the President
of the United States of America. Right. There is not
a politician seeking federal office, whether they have to run
statewide or they're running nationally that answers this question well.
And I think Kamala Vice President Harris found her footing
in the latter part of this question from Anna Navarro.

(14:53):
But I really want her to be able to say yes,
from its inception, this country has has a racist past
that we are desperately trying to clean up every day.
Why does that matter right now? Going back to Andrew's
last point, it matters so much right now because they're
so willing to manipulate history that they will take it

(15:14):
out of books, they will ban books, they will take
it out of the classroom, they will ban ap black studies.
They are fighting diligently and hard and violently to ensure
that we believe something very different about this country's inception,
its founders and racism, and it's always been there. And yes,

(15:34):
it is an economic battle first, but it is absolutely
based on the dehumanization of black people and the others.
So I want her to be able to say that.
And I I'm so frustrated with this country for not
being able to provide us the space that we need
to stand ten toes down in our truth and be
able to say what it is without the penalty of

(15:56):
losing an election, I want her to be able to
say that, you know, anyway, I think that's a consistent
problem across all politicians, even folks who look like us.
As we see, and let me be clear, I will
cast a vote for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, as
I assume my two other co hosts will. We have
a right to criticize our politicians, and we want to

(16:17):
say we want you to do help us, help you.
And so I think a part of this challenge is
so often in campaigns and elections they will come to
black neighborhoods and whisper, hey, when I get elected, I'm
gonna help y'all. But they not gonna say that on
the stump speech. On the stump speech, they so concerned
with appealing to white folks. The challenge is this, politicians,
you lost that vote a long time ago. White folks

(16:40):
have not overwhelmingly voted for a Democratic party since the sixties,
and that is when the demographics of this country looked
a lot different. They got I think eighty nine percent
of the white vote over fifty years ago. Now, with
the changing demographics of America, reevaluate your message and live
and speak a more truthful assertion. And if you can
can't tell me, if you're trying to convince me, notice,

(17:02):
piss you feel in your face is actually rain. You
have lost my vote, you have lost my confidence. You
have lost the thing that most people look for in politicians,
and that's for authenticity. That's the thing that's so fragile
and so few and far between.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
I think.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
So I'm always disappointed when I hear people because what
the bottom line is, you're trying to make yourself palatable
to white thricks, and to me, you leap frog over
me and my interest when I'm the main person holding
you down. So I will put this not just to
Vice President Kamala Harrison, but to anybody who's talking inspire,

(17:35):
be bold and speak of truth. We do, and we
support you, and we want to help it make it
easier for other people to speak their truth.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Andrew, you guys something else on this.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Well, I'll just say I'm sick of the question being asked,
when do we live in a country where we don't
even opposition the question of whether or not we have
a racist founding history steeped in it and its vestiges
every single day. And what I will argue is the
reason Kamala Harris has to answer that way, and I
agree with you, I think she got better. More direct

(18:04):
towards the end is because of the vestiges of racism
and white supremacy. We can't take the chance that by
acknowledging that the founding was steeped in racism is the
original sin of this country, and every single major battle legal, social, cultural,

(18:24):
or economic, and otherwise are stemming from it. It's an
octopus with a whole bunch of tentacles, and part of
those tentacles include people not being able to speak the
truth that we know, and that, to be honest, every
single person knows Nikki Hayley, Donald Trump. What they're afraid

(18:47):
of is that by acknowledging that it is an indictment
on them. I don't indicte you for your ancestors enslaving me,
and I'm not even I'm not even blaming you from
all the ways in which you benefit today from their
having done so. So release yourself with the guilt. That
isn't what we're saying.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
I know, I want, I want some people to actually
own their guilt. And here's the other part. It's not
I don't think that we're trying to put white supremacy
and racism at the feet of Nikki Hayley except for
when she is benefiting from those things and boldly benefiting
from those things.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
But but what I am saying is, you don't get
to not acknowledge us. There are other cultures, other groups
where you do not garner their support if you don't
acknowledge them. And I think that that's where we must be.
We must be at the point where we say no
if we have been impacted by discrimination in federal contracts

(19:49):
and accessing jobs. Now with a ban on affirmative action
and higher education, you know, all of the police violence
right someplace where again, Kamala Harris, Madame Vice President, stood
ten toes down on the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act.
We need to keep that same energy right now because
people are still being killed by police. Last year was

(20:10):
the deadliest year for police violence. I want her in
a position where she is shining, and that is as
a prosecutor, prosecute the case about racism in this country
and go hard at its neck. If you end up
sacrificing your role but dismantle the system, my sister was
worth it. And I don't want that for her, like

(20:31):
I would love to see her in the Oval one day,
but it's going to take bold, powerful leadership, and I
don't think we get there by doing the same things
that have always been done. I would argue right now,
just based on where this nation's consciousness is. I don't
know if Barack Obama could win today. I don't know
if he could running the same campaign that he ran

(20:51):
in two thousand and eight in.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
Twenty twelve, I don't know if we would have this
problem if Barack Obama had won. That's oh, I'm telling
you what to do. I was set in front of them,
set in front of them what it might mean when
you're not in control, and they assigned him attributes that

(21:13):
he didn't.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Even attempt, didn't even he didn't trying to throw you.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Out your business. He didn't try to expand opportunities for
us to get the same degrees you'd do at no cost,
because we built this thing, as Angela says, for free,
and there's so many other ways, and so his election,
I'm don't know if we'd be dealing with this in
quite the way we are right now if they hadn't
seen it. Set in front of them.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Does somebody say during the Trumpet administration that Donald Trump
was the president they thought Barack Obama would be. They
thought the black president would have one, two, three baby mamas.
They thought the black president would have countless indictments showing
their own racism. They thought the black president would be
inarticulate and wouldn't know how to hold himself on a
global stage and up the ante and the steeds that

(22:00):
America has. No, that's your boy, that's your people. That's
your racism, really, and that's your king who did all that.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
And by the way, in their quiet places, that's them,
that's them.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
But here's the thing. And I'm not saying that I
didn't want Barack Obama to win. What I'm saying is
based on where we are right now. I don't know
that he could. I don't know that he could. Like
I think we as a people are getting more conscious,
Like we're not going to moderate to fit in your box.
We're not trying to make you feel comfortable in your stuff.

(22:32):
We know now that a rising tide doesn't lift off boats,
and as hard as hell, fight these waves without a
boat to sit in. Right, Like, all of those things anyway,
I'm down a whole other road. Tip. I'm sorry, but
I just I am feeling away.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Honestly, because I am just tired of talking about playing
in the snow. To be honestly, it's not a lot
of daylight between any of these candidates. They're all the same.
A week's at all of all the Republicans. I'm speaking
specifically about the Republican base or the Republican pool of candidates.
A week is an eternity in politics. We had a
long time to dive into why these folks are garbage.

(23:06):
To me, It's time to pay the bills with a
quick commercial break, So don't go anywhere because we'll be
right back, all right. I want to get into something else.
I want to talk about black voter outreach. And the
reason I want to talk about this is because the
d TRIP, which is the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, has
committed thirty five million dollars to reach voters of color.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
So that's a big umbrella. By voters of color.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
They're referencing black voters, the members of the Api community,
Asian American Pacific Islander, the Indigenous community, and of course
the Latino community. I find this really interesting and I
really want to throw this to you, Angela, because I
think it's a really fair point that you make all
the time about we uphold this party, and so I

(23:54):
want to look at what does this outreach look like?
What should this outreach look like, and what should our
ass be.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, so, as I understand it, they've named this initiative power, Persuade, Organize, welcome, educate,
and reach. They've committed five million more than they did
last cycle. For us, a cycle is an election cycle.
I know that sometimes we use terms on here that
everybody doesn't necessarily know. I think that more I want

(24:21):
to know, like the line items for this right. You know,
there was some pushback that we got after Leonard and
I did Joy Show and I talked about campaign consultants
and polsters and communication strategists. How are they spending this money?
Because if they are targeting voters of color but they're
not utilizing consultants of color, I think we find ourselves

(24:44):
in the same position. Why am I so upset about this?
Why am I always pushing this Because we've been having
the same discussion cycle after cycle with little impact. We
need people who aren't as informed as we might be
because of where we worked because of Andrew. Where we've run, right.
We need folks who you know, ride the bus to work,

(25:06):
who maybe have been formally incarcerated and just out and
want to see politics serve them. The folks who are
barely keeping the lights on the folks who are saying
I don't know how I'm going to get to the
ballot box because I just have to pick up my
child on time from daycare, right if they can afford daycare.
I want to make sure that we are reaching those folks,

(25:27):
and we can't do that trying the same old tactics.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. We know that democracy
is on the line. We also know that every time
turnout is low, the first group of people they blame
are their most loyal and faithful base. And I'm looking
at them as black voters, right, So I want to
make sure that they are treating us as loyal and faithful.
Where are you buying ads right? Who are you retaining?

(25:51):
What do your focus groups look like? Have you had
any conversations with CBC members state legislators of the National
Black Caucus of State Legislators NBC, which is the local
elected officials. Folks like Andrew who ran the Young Elected
Officials Network. Are you talking to young elected officials who
overcame so much and as an elected official of color,

(26:11):
have something to say. They were able to mobilize a
base that you can never even touch. That means you
have to do some different things, some extraordinary things to
get some extraordinary results. We need that kind of effort.
It is a code read. And if the party doesn't
realize it's a code read right now, they're in trouble.
And you could throw as much money as you want
to at it, but if you don't spend it in
the right places and talk to people about it how

(26:32):
to spend it differently, you gonna find yourself in the
same spot.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
That's real and Angela, my responses on the other side
of that, which is thirty five million to win an election,
how many millions, billions, trillions toward public policy that then
benefits and expands opportunities the lives, livelihoods, and lifestyles of

(26:59):
communities of color. Because look, I believe the Democrats will
spend whatever is required to get the voters they need
in order to win that they believe in another win.
So what I'm saying is if they thought that it
was going to cost them, because this campaign will cost
what a billion a campaign a billion for each of
the parties and their allied groups. That's so thirty five

(27:22):
million a billion over the course of the campaign when
I ran for governor of the state of Florida, where
black people are still only about eleven percent of the
voting population. Yes, we had tactics that were very specific
and discreete to different activities that minority groups and people
of color might do. But black people were part of

(27:43):
the center of my campaign, and so in all of ours,
spending not in a set aside, but what runs through
the bloodstream. The body of the campaign was talking to
communities of color and folks who were similarly situated, and
I identified who need public policy that works for them too,

(28:04):
because we're not a monolith and people are tired of
just surviving. They're sick of it. I heard a homeless
man interview the other night on a local news station
who said, no, I didn't want that. I ain't want
him to give it to me. I just wanted an
opportunity to earn it. This man doesn't know where he
may sleep tonight, but his interest was not in getting

(28:26):
something that was for free, but rather having an opportunity
to earn it for himself. So don't mistake us. We're
not asking that we want to be able to compete,
to earn and to know that off the strength of
our value and our work alone, that we will earn
what we deserve to be paid.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, you know, I want to pick up on your point, Angela,
because that it's interesting the way that white supremacy has
framed the thinking of some black folks. I'm going to
pull from my good brother Andrew Gillam. I'm gonna share
a bit of a private conversation we had and it's
really we have to encourage.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Encourage people.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I ain't gonna tell that at all this show, maybe
next show, but we have to encourage people to tap
into their imagination because I think Andrew, you've made the
point before, like that's what they do. They capture our imagination.
So if you can't envision a democracy that serves you,
because when we say of the people, by the people,
for the people, some people are okay with that as
long as for the people doesn't include us. And no

(29:32):
matter how they make us feel, this is our home.
Our ancestors built this joint for free, as my good
sister Angela says. And so I think we have every rights.
We have every right to make demands of this country.
We have every right to criticize this party. And I
think that's the punctuating point that Angela was making. And

(29:53):
in addition to that, we might lose some of our
a man corner here. But white liberals, white liberals are
problematic and a lot of these spaces. I worked in
labor briefly, and every suggestion I had it was all
about organizing communities of color. Every suggestion I had was
sumarily dismissed most of the time because they just didn't
understand the culture. There's ethnicity and there's culture. They did

(30:15):
not understand the culture. And so when I would suggest
things like, hey, not everybody is going to an NAACP
meeting at six point thirty on Friday, Like, there are
other ways where black people organized and galvanized. You got brunches,
you got book clubs, you got jack and jail, you
got the Divine nine.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
You have all these pockets.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's not just churches, barbershops, beauty salons and civil rights groups,
you know, I mean, all those places have a role.
But you do have to stretch yourself and think beyond that.
And they would pay consultants big, huge contracts like twenty
five to fifty thousand dollars a month who don't look
like me, who are telling you how to talk to

(30:53):
people who do look like me.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
That makes zero sense.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Like to quote the great urban Philosopherdrick Lamar, sit down
and be humble, like this is the area where you
really don't know what you're talking about. And it's insulting.
Like even in their their their effort to work for equality,
it is still from a perspective of I know better
than you or I'm okay with this as long as
we don't get into areas that don't make me feel comfortable.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
And that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
To Angela's point about contracts, consultants, all of that matters,
even polsters, all of that matter. What do the people
look like on your campaign? So you're telling me you're
trying to reach out to these communities, but your campaign don't.
Your campaign look more like Iowa, New Hampshire than it
does Atlanta, Miami, La, Detroit, Chicago. That's not okay. So
I got a challenge with it. I know Andrew's campaign

(31:41):
look good, Angela was down there getting on it.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Here's here's the Here's the thing though, that I want
to flag TIF and Andrew to these points. There is
if you were saying that they everything was summarily rejected,
all your ideas were severely rejected, that is by design.
That is, there is a stronghold of a good old
boys network that exists not just in the Democratic Party operators,

(32:08):
the same thing exists in the Republican Party and even
worse right. But what I'm saying is some of these
things have to be dismantled and disrupted for them to
actually win. And so if they really care about winning Tiff,
as you say all the time, the rising majority of America,
you have to do something different. It's not throwing an
extra five million dollars at it. Because at the core
of this campaign is combating disinformation. How what does that

(32:31):
look like? You have a hub on your site and
you think people are going to go visit that's side.
How will they know about this site? You have folks
who are working on telling people about voter suppression. They
know about voter suppression. See, our issue is they keep
talking to people who are already involved, already brought into
the fold don't need to be reached. And if you
keep talking to those people who don't need to be reached,

(32:54):
what's your vocus group talking about? What are they saying?
Tipp has told you, you know, these are the things
that I'm here from people in my family, my friends,
who are not politically engaged. D Trip has said they're
focusing on seven districts in California. Two in California, one
in Florida, one in New Mexico, two in Texas, and
one in North Carolina. That's gonna be a black and
brown strategy. Who are the consultants? We'll be here next week,

(33:18):
same time, same place, d Trip, Please, by all means,
send us the names of the consultants who are black
and brown, who you've engaged in this work. We want
to know and we want to know how much you're
spending with them. And don't tell us that seventy five
percent of this is going to add buys. Yeah, and
for the people online who said, why does this matter?
I'm in the weeds. It matters that I'm in the
weeds because it's your cousin and your auntie and your

(33:41):
church member who's not involved. You might be. You might
already be in the hive, and that's great for you, honey.
I'm talking about the people who don't feel like they're
gonna get up off the couch. It's not about them
voting for Donald Trump or Nikki Haley or whomever else
ends up running against Joe Biden. It is about making
sure that they feel heard and seen enough to go
to the polls. I already had to risk it all.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Once same and then after they do that, produce the
public policy. Yes, that's going to get us free. Yes,
produce the evidence I want the receipts. The receipts are
not your election. The receipts are the bills, the policies,
the systems, the structures, the organizations, the entities that you
dismantle that stand in the way of my liberation.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Because if I am only of value to you as
I show up to vote, then you don't honor my life.
I am of value because I am a child of God.
I was produced here, I breathe, I love, I feel
just like you. That is my value. And so when
I start from a place of saying, hey, I understand
the person who does not want to participate in the
very system that has harmed them. I'm not saying don't vote.

(34:47):
I'm showing up in first to say, I understand you.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Ain't nobody asking you to believe in this white man's democracy.
We asking you to believe in you happen to your imagination.
And what does a government look like that services you,
your family and protects the country and advances equality for everybody.
I think that's an important point.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Because you paid for it. Because you paid for it,
they work for you.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
It doesn't require a whole bunch of imagination. I would
just say, treat me like you would want to treat
your your son or daughter, the things that the safeguards,
the protections, the the opportunities that you want in place
for them. I love it be imaginative enough to see
me like you might see your own child or a

(35:31):
member of your family, and you would do whatever you could.
Let's talk about kids. For your you. I would tear
down these walls and this brick to to to to
do whatever I needed to do to make a way
from my child. So if that's the case, and I
believe it is for them too, put that brain on

(35:51):
and let that brain god your your action.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
All right, Welcome back to Native Land pod, welcome back
home where we keep it a book, Give it to
you straight, No chase there this one. I was reading
the papers and I honestly thought about Andrew Gillham when
I saw this story. Andrew, Florida Man. Florida Man is
busy in your neck of the woods, and they wreak

(36:21):
havoc on everybody else. Now there is a story that
it might soon become illegal, literally illegal to call somebody racist, homophobic, misogynistic.
That somebody literally put this on the ballot. It was
yet another Florida Man. Now we got the good kind

(36:43):
of Florida man with us. Andrew, what is up with
this law? I mean, the reason I'm concerned about it
is because a lot of crappy laws emerged from state legislatures,
and so when we don't pay attention and don't take
it seriously, it ends up landing in Congress and becoming
a federal policy. So can you give us a background
on this? Is it possible that this actually might ask listen.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
First of all, yes, in a state where Ron Dea
Santis chief a spokesperson as CEO executive director of Florida
Man Incorporated, Yeah, it could. But guess what. I don't
think there's a snowballs chance in hell that free speech
lawsuit wouldn't immediately ensue and stop this whole thing in

(37:29):
its track. But more importantly, this is coming from Rond
DeSantis and his party here in Florida, who basically invented
the word the pejorative and negative a tone a connection
of woke, wokee culture. I mean, they practically invented the
attack unquote woke people in wote culture because they said

(37:50):
they're acting like squirmy worms. They can't they just don't
have a spine. They can't hear anything they disagree with,
and so they wanted to legislate that you could not
be a whiny baby about the things that you don't like. Okay,
and I'm using they're approaching not how I think about it. Well,
how can that same group of people now pass suggests

(38:11):
legislaate that you can't call a racist a racist or
a call out institutions for the things that they do.
How can you abridge my free speech? Who's acting soft
and warming now ron so high Hills, ain't I ain't
hating I mean, if you know, they look good with them.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
But this, this is from a state senator, Jason Broader.
Jason Broder, I don't know if I'm pronouncing his name right, Broder, Well, listen,
I'm saying his name because at some point, nobody knew
who Ron DeSantis was, and now everybody does, so like,
who knows where Jason can go introducing this kind of legislation.
He will rally the uninformed, the ignorant, the racists, the angry,

(38:53):
the misogynist and xenophobics, and they will rally behind this
man and try to send him to the White House
if we're not careful. So this is what's happening in Florida,
is what you got.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
I just you know, there's nothing new under the sun
in the Sunshine State. And I think it's really really unfortunate,
you know, seeing that they would work to pass a
law that says that it is defamatory for you to
call someone racist what if they are? Or sexist? What
if they are? Or misogynists? What if they are? But

(39:23):
it's more of we cannot handle the truth of what
this country represents to so many people, and so we're
gonna work our very best, our most diligent to silence you.
So I think it's more of the same I said.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Of doing the campaign, A hit dog will.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Holler, Yes, it will.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
They've been so offended by honest, a hit dog will holler.
And they're hollering through their legislation, their proposals because we've
come too close to the nose with this, with this stone. Yeah,
we've come far too close to them.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
The best quote you had on the campaign, I thought
was on a debate stage. And when you say, I'm
not saying he's the racist, but the racists thinking are racist.
I thought that was such a brilliant line.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Andrew, that's what the party has become, that's what they
have their candidates have become. Yeah, they don't want us
to call them racist. But why is it that all
the races seem to be organized behind you all who
don't like diversity of women? What?

Speaker 9 (40:18):
What?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
What?

Speaker 9 (40:18):
What?

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Openly out louds?

Speaker 9 (40:20):
Is it? Right?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
They standing they standing down and standing by.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
They know exactly what they're doing. You know exactly what
they're doing. And then and there's no there's you talk
about we give it straight, no chaser, they're giving it
to it straight. There's no content.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
It's not just politics though, like I mean, as we say,
politics are everywhere.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
Everywhere, are everywhere.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I'm shifting gears again. For those who don't know me
and are getting to know me, I happen to be
one of the country's most world renowned sports experts. People
are always begging me for my sports expertise. It is
no no, let's some football. I am happy to hear
there is a new black head coach in the NFL

(41:02):
and curious y'all's thoughts about it.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Well, I think that the most important thing to note
is that for a league that has over seventy percent
of its players looking like us, the coaching staff does
not reflect the players. We know that the Rooney rule
has now been in place for over twenty five years,
but we've yet to see the real results from that,
and so it's always uh the rule is the Rooney

(41:28):
rule ensure that there would always be someone black interviewed
for coaching positions, for leadership positions in the NFL, and
it just hasn't netted what we would expect. I think
the same thing is true about affirmative action policy, right.
I think one of the smartest things Bill Clinton said
back in the day was amended, don't end it. And
I think the same thing applies now. Affirmative action has

(41:50):
got some yards to go pun intended here, and I
think the same is true for the Rooney rule. So
it's always great to have another black coach, but we
want to ensure that they have the ability to not
just be hired, but to be retained. And that is
the same thing we need across industry.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, I just want to say it's Jared Mayo. He's
the new head coach of the New England Patriots. Good
Lucky Tree, you're in Boston, brother, we are with you.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Before we come to you. Andrew.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I just Angela made such a good point. I want
you out to hear from foreign players themselves. The Washington
Post did a great piece talking to black NFL players
on their thoughts on coaching in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Take a listen.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
I do think the words genius, guru, quarterback, whisperer are
all phrases that they use to describe non African American coaches.
It's as if we don't have the same IQ intelligence
level as some of our other brothers. You can go
out and catch the ball, you can throw the ball,

(42:49):
but you can you lead.

Speaker 9 (42:51):
I think that if owners would give black coaches more opportunities,
not saying that you have to keep a guy for
eight years, but you would if he won.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
You're a minority coach, you got to win. It seems
like when you have diversity, well you've taken responsibility and
this topic is not a topic. But when you don't
have it, it's a topic.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
So powerful, very powerful. Andrew what you got.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
You know the beauty of that. And we all know
this to be the truth. Those gentlemen were not asking
for them to throw out the merit book. They didn't
say reduced to standards. They didn't say pay me more
or even equal to what you pay the guy now.
They said, we simply want an opportunity. When I ran

(43:45):
for governor, I did a commercial that set a chance,
titled a Chance, And all I was asking for is
all of you, with pre determined notions about who I
am and what I can do, how I perform, and
so on and so forth, just suspend with it for
a moment to look at me the same way you

(44:07):
might look out. I don't know your son when it
comes to you and asks you, I just want a chance.
If given a chance, I will dot dot. These guys
are saying, I just want a chance.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
All right, everybody, So we told you that this was
home and you will always have a seat at the table.
So it is your favorite part of the pod where
we hear the questions from you all. And today's question
first question is Angela.

Speaker 7 (44:38):
And in the breakfast club, you said you hope there would
be a push from the administration to meet people where
they're at. But I don't see how they will listen
without leverage. And I don't see how we have leverage
if they know that black people are just gonna vote
for them anyway. So how can we work with other
people who, whether we think think it's good or bad,

(45:01):
might actually threaten to not vote, or what other ways
can we pushed to actually get leverage.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
So I think that the most important thing here is
something that we hear often tiff and Andrew. It is
about what do we do with the folks who say
they're not going to vote they feel like their leverage
is in not voting, and what other things can we
do to ensure that we have leverage. Well, I'm proud
to say that Tiffany and I and some of our
dear sisters utilize I think what is part of our

(45:30):
leverage in the last election. In the twenty twenty election,
after Joe Biden Rant one South Carolina, we said, you
know what, black folks made sure that he got to
the finish line, and we said that there were three
things that we wanted from Joe Biden. The first was
a black woman vice president, the second was a black
woman Supreme Court justice, and the third was a black agenda.

(45:52):
We know that we're still lacking on the black agenda part,
but this is the perfect moment for me to shout
out our dear sister Alicia Garza, who does some tremendous
work the Black Census Project. She has talked to over
two hundred thousand black people. It is the largest survey
of black people in the country, and that census, that
survey will serve as a basis for what and how

(46:14):
we construct a black agenda. I think our leverage is
in pushing our agenda. What do we require of any
elected official that serves us on the local, state, or
federal level. Our leverage is not in saying, if you
don't play with us, we're gonna take our ball and
go home. Our leverage is in saying we're always going
to show up and even when you don't want to
see us. We're gonna be sitting right at your door,

(46:35):
or we're gonna be calling you, or we're gonna be
emailing your staff to find out where you are on xyz.
And here's this black agenda for the local level, here's
this black agenda for the state level. Here's this black
agenda for the federal level. We want to see our
agenda happen, and we are going to push you to
do what we want to do. Why Because, as the
CBC always says, there are no permanent friends, no permanent enemies,

(46:57):
just permanent interests. And our permanent interest is in seeing
our true and ultimate liberation in this country, and everybody
else should follow suit.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
All right, the next question, Andrew, I would love to
get your thoughts on it. Take a listen and Andrew,
you can respond on the other side.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Hey, Native land Pod, I'd love to hear your thoughts
on why many of our elected officials, both in the
House and in the Senate, and even in state and
local government for that matter, that are of advanced age
and almost choosing to die in office.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Oh man, Well, first of all, I'm not going to
be the one to sour on older politicians in office.
I think what matters to me most in that consideration
is what have they done for us lately? What have
they done for me lately? Are they still producing so
on and so forth, Because in that case, maybe what
you need to do is go intern or go apply
for a job and then help influence around that process.

(47:52):
But my real answer you, aside from you know, respect
for those who are older but are doing their job,
is that not many of us are choosing the run
against them. Not many of us are choosing to say
we are ill served. And if you don't show up
and show out on the job that we put you on,
then I am going to take you out. People don't
people don't fear things and people and interventions that don't

(48:17):
impact on their lives. If you can't make a difference
for me, then then why are you here? And that
is the that's the that's the rude sounding aspect of politics.
But these decisions get made every single day, every single day.
Why do they legislate against us when we're such and
such other population Because they don't fear that we're gonna
do anything about it. And I don't mean extracting your

(48:39):
vote from the democratic part I mean, have we shown
up at their offices? Lady? Did we go to their
town hall and pack that thing out? Did we show
that we can produce people who then will hold them accountable?
And unfortunately, if you just say, oh, I'm not going
to vote in next election, we don't know who to credit,
we don't know who to reward, we don't know who
to induce. So show that you can produce something and

(49:02):
that you are forced to be reckoned with and therefore power.
What does it say? Oh, this was Fanny lou Hamer.
Our seeds nothing without a demand. Power yields nothing. And
all I would add to without a demand is in
a way to enforce it.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
I just I want to just real quick just say
to the caller's point about older people dying in office,
I do think there is something to be said that
it is our responsibility to bring up the folks behind us.
And so I know a lot of people hold on
to their positions, but it's hard, right, you know, but
there are younger people in place, and I think to
Andrew's point, like get in the position, get out there

(49:43):
and run, you know, like there are very few limitations
if you want to run for office. Get out there
and knock on doors. It's not just I'm not saying
go out and be thirty five and let you know
your first jobs in government to be president of the
United States like it was with Donald Trump. I'm saying,
there are school board elections, there are city council, there's aldermen,
there's all kinds of things that if you want to

(50:04):
see changing your community, you can do, and to put
yourself in a position to run for federal office one
day if that's what you want to do.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
But I do think we have fairness to Donald Trump.
His first job was our president. He ran many businesses
into the ground prior into.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
This first job in government was president of the United States.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
That I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
About his business at his first jobs job in the
government America, seventy five million Americans say yes, we will
let you be president of the United States when you
and the.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
City council are we blame for that?

Speaker 4 (50:36):
If seventy five million Americans?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
So anyway, Yeah, As a former executive director of the
Congressional Black Caucus, this comes up a lot, especially with
our elders, and I think one of the things we
don't just have a responsibility to bring up young folks.
We have a responsibility to ensure that older folks can
retire and step aside with dignity, and we don't always
do that. I will never forget when Congressman Major Owens

(51:00):
left office and retired, he went to be a Library
of Congress. Fellow. That's not what happens with white folks
when they retire from Congress. So we need to figure
out what else we can do. I think it is
so shortsighted when some folks, again to your points, have
who have no experience, want to challenge in primary and
elected officials. Also, who's actually doing the work for us.
I'm not talking about the people that are just sitting

(51:21):
there as benchwarmers. I'm talking about the folks who are
really doing the work. So I just wanted to bring
up that one distinction. Shout out to my CBC.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Fans and listen.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I want the viewers to note, we don't just answer
questions that are nice and polite. If you disagree with us,
if you have criticism, we want to hear from you.
So dm us drop us a note, follow us on socials,
drop your question and we would love to hear it.
I want to play something we did hear from one viewer,
an enthusiastic viewer who did like the show and had

(51:53):
some criticism as well. So some advice, some advice, some advice,
So please everybody take listen to Mama Rai, also known
as Angela's mom, who listened to our podcast and had
some thoughts and.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Son to say, Mama Riah in the building, Mommy, what's
the one thing you liked about Native Lampard?

Speaker 10 (52:12):
It was very well organized, and you guys are articulate
and good thinkers.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
What is one thing you would change? Can I tell
you this lady's normally deliver it and takes her time.
She didn't even think about that, mind you. Shout out
to my pastor, God Dad. It was a bishop in
the Kojik church who had words I know about them.
God Dad, and my father who thinks he is the

(52:42):
father of me and Tiff and Andrew, Andrew's mama. We
got dragged, so y'all we had well in our forties,
well in our forties in trouble in time out, So
we gonna limit the cussing on here. But sometimes law
your mother in law too. I forgot Jesus, So we
we're gonna work on it. We are still saved worn again.
We're not backsliding out here. But sometimes you know, there's

(53:04):
a word that you can't find, and four little word helps.
But we'll do our best.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
And you need something to punctuate your point, and they
have four letters to them, so brace yourself. Sometimes you might.
My two co hosts can probably be a little more
clean than I can. But sometimes you might hear from
this center right here to say something to punctuate a point.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
But the Lord going to.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Tell you who taught me the cuss words.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Exactly, Daddy, Daddy.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
The Lord is still working on me. Also bear with me,
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we take the time to address these things because one,
we want to be truthful. Some of you all know us,
some of you don't, so you're getting to know us.
We want to be honest with our listeners, and we
really want to answer question.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
And that was the main question I got.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
I still get when I'm walking through airports and people
stop me, they always ask what happened with you at MSNBC.
So I think it's important that you all know how
we got here and why this platform is so important
to all of us for different reasons. So I will
start with MSNBC to say how I got to the network.
So I used to appear on MSNBC all the time,

(54:58):
and I was never paid. There are paid contributors and
there are people who go on for free. Ellie Misstaal
is one of the most brilliant voices. He's on that
network frequently. He has never been paid for his brilliant
contributions nor for the viewers that he brings to the network.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
So keep in mind when.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Y'all see on social media comments and people say, well
they getting paid millions to get up there, and say whatever. No,
very few people are paid contributors, and when it comes
to people who look like us, even fewer people. So
people were being paid to lie. I was spitting all
my truth for free. But that's another testimony. So Enjoy
made history by going Joy read who hosts The Readout,

(55:33):
When she made history by going to prime time, first
black woman in cable news to host a primetime show.
I was guest hosting for her, and this was really
part of the audition process to see who would be
taking over for Joy. This was also at the time
that I had a book coming out, my first book
that I wrote, Say It Louder was hitting bookshelves and
so on my pub date, I was invited to appear

(55:57):
on Mourning Joe So Joe Scarborough. I'm sure y'all have
watched Joe Scarborough before the segment. Right before I was
coming on, Joe Scarborough started saying that he wanted the
Republican Party to get their acts together. He didn't want
his country run by some of the leftists who were
running countries like Portland, and he called out some other

(56:20):
municipalities that this was right after the height of Black
Lives Matter, and so he said we got to get
it together, and the Republican Party is failing. Donald Trump
turned the party racist. So when I was introduced, I
obviously had a lot to say about that. There's an
unspoken rule that you're not supposed to disagree with Joe.

(56:40):
But I didn't get that memo. Even if I had,
I don't know how much attention I would pay to it.
And so when it came time for me to speak,
I went through very specific policies, talked about Ronald Reagan,
talked about George Bush, and made the point that even
though they may have been more articulate, their policies were
just as damaging to black folks, and that this was

(57:01):
truly the only GOP that I knew, And I think
this incensed Joe. My segment was done, Joe disagreed with me.
We went back on forth. I got off air. We
were trending every single time I did Morning Joe. We
were trending. And when I say we, I don't mean
Joe Scarborough was trending. I mean Tiffany Cross was trending

(57:23):
on Mourning Joe. Well after I got off the air,
he continued to talk about it. He was very upset.
Apparently and so when he left set, he was beside himself.
That's what was described to me. I was told from
several reputable sources, including a talent agent, two anchors, and
another executive at the network, that he left set and
went into the president's office, the president of the network,

(57:46):
to complain about my segment, complain that I disagreed with him,
said that I called him racist and suggested that I
should not be joy read successor to get the show.

Speaker 9 (57:58):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
So the president at the time was another white man,
but his boss was a man by the name of
Caesar Conde, and I got to show. Caesar Conde hired me.
He was also a historic hire, a Latino man overseeing
the entire news division of NBC Universals that was the
Today Show everything. So I got the show after this
big battle. But little did I know the battles were

(58:21):
just beginning, my friends, because let me tell you, on
my show, I was very mission driven, and Angela has
heard me talk about this, Andrew's heard me talk about this.
I take the Fred Hampton philosophy of being inclusive in
our battles, so I was very intentional. Obviously, I'm showing
up for black folks talking about black folks. I'm a
black woman, that's my first priority. But I wanted to
be sure to include stories that were relevant to our

(58:44):
fellow countrymen, like the Asian American Pacific Islander community, like
the Latino community, like indigenous How often do you see
Native Americans on platforms telling their stories, testifying, talking about
what's happening with them. I want you all to know,
every single week, from the start of my show to
the very last show I did, it was a battle.

(59:05):
Every single week. It was a battle to cover things
that I wanted to talk about. The network's philosophy was
Trump Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump Trump. They wanted me to
be part of the echo chamber, and I fought as
hard as I could. I wanted to cover things like
in humane treatment and prisons. That's something that disproportionately impacts
my community, mental health among black men, the erasure of

(59:26):
Afro Latinos in the Latino community, land battles of the
Indigenous Native Americans trying to get their family artifacts back
from museums right here in America, black farmers reaching Latino voters,
things like that. When I would fight these battles, I
know y'all know exactly what I mean I was spoken
to in the most condescending ways. I mean anything from

(59:47):
being told the definition of news. Me with my twenty
plus year career in news and broadcasts and television, I
would have somebody sit across from me and explain to
me how news worked.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
I had my intelligence questioned.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
The central theme to them again, Trump, Capitol Hill, Minutia,
and they wanted me to use the same recycled faces
you see all the time. So I've really found the
constant criticism debilitating at times, but mostly confusing. And let
me tell you why, Because viewers seemed to love it.
According to NBC's own research department, the Cross Connection, my

(01:00:21):
show was averaging four point six million viewers a month.
We had the most black viewers, second only the Revern
NOWL Sharpton Show. We were routinely the highest rated show
of the entire weekend. So I was scratching my head, like,
what's y'all so mad about?

Speaker 9 (01:00:36):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Seems to me like there are some other shows that
warrant your attention, not this one. We actually routinely beat
Morning Joe in the ratings. This is something a lot
of people don't know. People think millions of people watch
more than Joe. This is public information. You can go
on and watch maybe a few hundred thousand, maybe six
hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand. Clearly we were getting more
than that. So I'm getting more ratings than your favorite

(01:00:58):
white boy, but I'm getting criticized every turn. Joe was
allowed to say what he wanted to say, as were
other white men on the network. He came up with
the phrase Moscow Mitch, I use that phrase too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Good one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Joe my other colleague who I rock with, and you
know we have no beef. But Ari Melburgh gets to
quote rap lyrics. I had my script scrutinized. They didn't
want me saying anything that sounded like an insult. When
I would make a reference to something that was very
specific to the black community, it was always a question,
is this enough that people would understand most of your
viewers are white, etc.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Etc.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
It was exhausting, and I know a lot of my
folks out there go through that every day, so I
just want y'all to know I went through it too.
But I held the line as best I could. And
this is an important point that I want to make
for me in behalf of my co host There is
a burden to speak in the truth. It comes with
a consequence, and when you find yourself as the messenger,

(01:01:50):
there is a power structure in place that is not
welcoming to our voices. And I was prepared for these
battles because I had been fighting them my entire career,
from my time as a producer and associate producer at
CNN to a field producer at America's Most Wanted, to
a field producer at Discovery to an executive producer at Viacom.
I fought many battles at this point because I had

(01:02:12):
shifted from being behind the camera to on camera. In
fighting these battles, I can't lie. I made some enemies.
I held the line I didn't acquiesce, because for me,
what was the point in having this platform If I'm
going to show up and spit out some vanilla granola
boringness and hope that one day maybe the white man

(01:02:35):
would let me host his Today Show. I've just never
seen that happen. I have never seen anybody be rewarded
for acquiescing to the comfort of white folks, not in
a way where I could live with myself. I would
go through what I went through ten thousand more times
for sake and my own integrity and character, my viewers
and my community were always the top of mind. I

(01:02:58):
never positioned my self to center to comfort the colonizers.
So leadership change at the network and a new president
came in and listen, we need to celebrate and normalize
the leadership of black women. So we can never make
this about one individual. The problem is systemic. So if
a black person is at the HELM, but they consider
part of their job to keep free black folks in

(01:03:20):
a state of submission, or to prove to their superiors
that they can keep black and brown folks in check,
that's really not anything to celebrate. An overseer might be
of the community, but they are certainly not in it.
And so I was fighting battles internally with leadership, and
then I was fighting battles externally. I would routinely sound

(01:03:41):
off on issues that centered white supremacy, a disease that
y'all know still sickens the country. And often these essays
I did would go viral and we would garner over
a million views across all social media channels. Well, it
didn't take long for the right wing media zealots and
extremists to begin attacking me. Everybody from Megan Kelly to
Bill O'Reilly routinely with accusations and racist white fear. But

(01:04:02):
one night's Tucker Carlson dedicated the top of his show
to me. I want you all to take a listen.

Speaker 11 (01:04:08):
Now, you probably knew about Joy Reid, the race lady
who's been fixated on race hate for years now. But
MSNBC has a new host, someone called Tiffany Cross.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Okay, So Tucker goes on to play several clips from
my show, and pretty much anytime I said the word
white people, he messed them together and was basically accusing
me of trying to start a race war by comparing
my commentary to what happened in Rwanda Kajohn O'll Tucker
care so much about black lives? And then live on air,
he began to direct his comments to the executive.

Speaker 11 (01:04:39):
So you have to ask yourself, what does Comcast board
think of?

Speaker 9 (01:04:42):
This?

Speaker 11 (01:04:42):
Comcast board is mostly white people. White people who, according
to the channel they own, decided they wanted something, then
they annexed it. White people who still, because they're white,
white people who could quote turn to violence where they
don't get their way white people are going crazy endangering
their communities. So you have to ask yourself, why are

(01:05:03):
they putting this on the air, Why are they allowing this.
This is not a policy debate. These are open attacks
on people, on Americans.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
So after this, the network did not issue a statement
the way they had for some of my white colleagues
who had also been targeted by MAGA extremists. Instead, network
executives spoke to me and instructed me that I could
not respond to Tucker Carlson at all. Then they began
to scrutinize my show, every little thing I wrote, every

(01:05:33):
little thing I said before the show, after the show,
after the show. It was always, here's all the things
that you said, here's all the things.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
That you did wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
The ratings didn't lie, but according to them, people must
just be tuning in to criticize me, because that's all
they had was criticism. Never thanks for doing a good job,
never thanks for bringing so many new viewers to the network.
They assigned more oversight, more executives, which meant more battles
for me to discuss topics that were relevant to an
emerging audience that I was bringing to the network, much

(01:05:59):
like Le brought an emerging audience to the CNN. So
then I did a rant on Supreme Court Justice Clarence
Thomas and his insurrectionist supporter of a wife, and it
was definitely very snarky, but it was factual. And the
network leadership, nervous about the attention that I was attracting
to the network from the right wing, began openly siding
with conservative viewpoints. And I was invited on a late

(01:06:21):
night comedy show hosted by Charlemagne where we were asked
to pick one of four states that we get rid of.
And know this to my friend and my brother, Andrew Gillham,
but this is what I said. Florida literally looks like
the dick of the country. So let's get rid of Florida.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
Ron is the country there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Let's cast rate Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Here's the problem, Ron, the stupid, Ronda Santis, whatever you
want to call Florida man. He is so problematic. The
people there passed Amendment for which gave returning citizens those
formerly incarcerated the rights to vote.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
He instituted a poll tax.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
He has done everything he can to keep black and
brown people from the ballot. He traffics in stupidity and ignorance,
and I just think they are a problem for the
rest of the country.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Let's get them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
So after that show, this was four days before midterms,
and one day before my show was going to air,
we had booked an exclusive sit down with Stacy Abrams, who,
as you all know, was in the fight for her
life running for governor at that time. That morning, I
got a call from the president of the network saying
they would not be renewing my contract, which was up
in a month, and that my viewers would not even

(01:07:24):
be given the courtesy or respect of me being able
to sign off or have a final show. I think
it's important that you all know when that happens, it
suggests to other people in the industry that this person
is so unhirable that we could not trust her with
a live mike. So it was all very intentional. The
firing was abrupt, and it was also very intentional to

(01:07:46):
my audience, to my viewers that you are not the
type of viewers who the company cares about. I was
devastated when my show was canceled. I was so sad,
not just for myself professionally and all that I had
fought for, for more than two decades, but for the viewers,
for the audience, because I did not have confidence that
there would then be another place where indigenous topics, API

(01:08:09):
Latino and a fam topics that we covered was going
to be And this is where I have to testify.
And I've always cried when I talk about this, but
I'm not going to cry to day because I feel
so good. I was surrounded by machetes. When I say machetes,
I mean my sister friends are our girl group. It's
a group of us were all in media, and Angela
Rye at that point took on the role of mama,

(01:08:32):
chief of staff security. Everything you literally could not get
to me without going through her, because I had reporters
calling the audience was an uproar that we were trending
for weeks even though my show wasn't on air, and
I felt so comforted at that time. The shock of
what happened didn't even hit me until weeks later because

(01:08:52):
I was surrounded in sisterhood. You guys saw joy Read
closed her show after my show was canceled, giving me
a shout out. Sunny Hassen was given interview saying, you
know what a big deal this was and that the
media went backwards with the canceling of my show. I
was just truly surrounded, and so find you some friends

(01:09:12):
who ride for you like that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
There was a fierce.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Backlash from the audience, and I was never given an
official reason for why they canceled my show, but it
was pretty obvious that I had drawn the ire of
white conservatives, which even made some white liberals uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
So I had to go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Never mind that millions of people found my voice to
reflect the ears. They weren't the viewers who MSNBC seemed
to care about.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
But I gotta say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
What happened next truly surprised me, despite me not saying
anything at the time other than to issue a very
politely worded and gracious statement mostly for my viewers, a
statement in which did not attack the network at all
or say anything bad about them. The network began attacking me.
They planted hit pieces in the press. The president of

(01:09:59):
the network began a bizarre, unhinged tour where she was
on damage control. I don't know what she was trying
to do, but it was filled with outright lies, including
showing up on the set of the view. You guys
can Googles and read the story to talk to. Everybody
knows Sunny Hasten is a close personal friend of mine.
This network executive went to the view tried to talk

(01:10:19):
to Whoopy Goldberg and Sunny Houston. This has been coroborated
by countless people and written about. It's very strange for
the president of a competing network to show up at
another network and talk directly to their talent.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
That just doesn't happen. So it was bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
It was humiliating at the time, to be quite honest,
But thank god, I was surrounded in sisterhood.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
I fought as much as I could. But I was
not trying to go back to the network, but I
fought to say, hey, what happened here was not okay.
I want you all to know I am good. I
am mission driven. My life's mission has always been through

(01:11:03):
work and live in service to the equality and liberation
of black folks, and I think when that happens, everyone
benefits from that. When black folks are free, we all
get free. We are very communal people, and that's why
people benefit from our work. If I'm mission driven, it
does not matter where I'm doing that mission.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
The work continues.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
If my mission was to be famous, if my mission
was to be a celebrity, if my mission was to
host a cable news show, well then my mission dies.
That ain't never been my mission, will never be my mission,
and so when your mission driven, just keep that in mind.
Here we are, the work continues. I am thrilled to
be in community with my fellow co host here. I

(01:11:47):
think it is so important that you hear our voices
and that you see that we continue to live, survive,
and thrive because the message this was intended to send
was don't get too free and don't get too gold.
Then don't get too audacious in your blackness. And if
they can somehow send me out there as a warning
signal and say, look what we did to her, this

(01:12:10):
might happen to you, then it might shiver somebody into
not speaking the truth. And I want to testify that
I am here still speaking the truth, and my story
did not end at MSNBC. MSNBC was certainly the top
of one mountain in my career, but it was the
bottom of a next and we are here to keep climbing.

(01:12:30):
I want to thank you all the viewers for riding
with me during that time. I cannot tell you a
specific reason the show was canceled because I was never
given one but to be in community and still get
to be in service only happens because you are ride
with me so hard, and I just want y'all to
know I will always, always, always ride with you. And

(01:12:51):
I want to say thank you to the Machetes, but
most certainly, first and foremost, I have to thank.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Angela, who held my hand.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
We were in Atlanta together, we were still speaking together,
we were out doing you know, voter drive work, eating, strategizing,
and so when you have friends who ride with you
in the thick of it, it really just softens the
blow and it inspires me to be that person for
someone else, because angel is always that person in our

(01:13:18):
friend group. So thank you, my sister Angela. Thank you
my brother Andrew, because you you were dealing with your
own life and posted about me on social media, which
I know you hate. So I want to thank you
both for standing in solidarity with me and know that
the community will always have us to stand in solidarity
with them.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
You know, Tiff is the nicer one of the two
of us, and I want to just say that three
of us, most times. I want to just say that
it is so disappointing how this was handled. I do
want to shout out joy read Joyanne Reader der sister
who puts it all all on the line all the

(01:13:55):
time for what is righteous, and she did the same
thing with you because because it was the right thing
to do. And shame on you. To the other black
hosts on that network who said nothing, I see you,
I see you. I also want you to know that
we know that you called people of influence to try
to slander Tiff and to damage her character and it

(01:14:17):
did not work. I'm gonna say one more thing that
I'm probably gonna get in trouble for Anne Walker Marshawn.
I don't know why you decided to launch a pr
campaign against something you know nothing about, but shame on you.
Shame on every black person in position of power at
that network and other places who did not say anything

(01:14:38):
and do anything. You know exactly who you are, and
I will not give you the dignity that you do
not deserve to say your name on this here number
one podcast. You can download it though, And guess I'm
not bitter, but I'm gonna tell them the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
We're naming names.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I'm not gonna name all the names, but there was
a very senior Obama administration official who got involved. And
what I noticed or learned from Antelo's people are loyal
to power. People are loyal to those who they think
can do something for them. So when you have the option,
when you have the choice to do what's righteous or
to do what serves you, do what serves the community,

(01:15:13):
or do what serves the greater good, or serve yourself.
A lot of people they were jocking. And let me
just say that some of these black women, including the
one who was at the home of the network at
the time, came to black folks in crisis where we
have been with you always. We didn't come to you
in crisis. We came with our hands extended to say,

(01:15:34):
what can we do for you? Not what you can
do for us? How can you cover us in our
time at crisis? So that was disappointing to see we.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Didn't have to come because we've always been See there's
a distinction. We don't have to come at all. We've
been here. We can welcome you home because we at
home the rest of y'all. You can come on back.
We're gonna let you come back. But let me just
say this last point that Andrew, I want you to
weigh in. You can be high and mighty. I'm still
gonna go low, low, low to the flow. Tiffany deserves
an apology, right and this is an opportunity for the

(01:16:02):
network to get it right. She deserves an apology for
the disrespect. There were articles that came out about her
mismanaging resources for the show. It's a lie from the
fiery pits of hell. We're not doing that right. And
so she deserves an apology. And so I encourage you all.
It's twenty twenty four. We'll give you a clean slate,
but you need to apologize you're out of pocket. Go ahead, Andrew,

(01:16:22):
say something that sound like church, because I'm sound like
something else. I sound like reality TV right now.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
First of all, a man a man, A man a man,
Ditto to all of that. Ifany, you are one of
the hardest working on SMATE professional people. I know this
is my first time hearing the extent of your story,
but I didn't need to hear it to be with you,

(01:16:51):
and just says a reminder to all of us. There
were other African tribes who co created with white slave
traders to sell other blacks into slavery. And I say
that to they were few and far between. Let that
be known they were. The minority are very very small.

(01:17:12):
Let's call them the one percent. There's no wonder why
that one percent mentality still exists, and and and and
and unfortunately still thrives in the highest of places, so
much so that they divorced themselves from the culture and
from who they are, to side with a group of

(01:17:35):
people who one know they're not part of the original clan,
They're just they they've adopted it. Cardagie Woodson says, uh,
you know, if you send the miseducation of the Negro
requires that if you send a man to the to
the back door, and he he he, he goes to

(01:17:56):
the back door, and he goes without challenge because he
knows his place. And if he gets there and there
is no door, he will carve one out for its
special purpose. His education makes it necessary. And this again
is part of the vestiges of enslavement and discrimination rooted
in the founding of this country and has played out

(01:18:17):
over all those many, many many years. Is that some
of us have adopted the master's tools and use those
same tools to dismantle us. They using to dismantle us,
because the master tools, as we are told, will never
be used to dismantle the Master's house. Never, those tools

(01:18:38):
were adopted by them to use on us. And that's
how we can you know, and it is what it is.
But I know one thing. The devil is a lie,
a lie. His intention is to create chaos, divide, destroy,
devour and then cause you to believe what he says
about you instead of what he says about you. And

(01:19:02):
I just love the fact that you didn't embrace any
of it. You knew who you were, you knew who's
you were. And through all of our experiences, who has
the shouting, who gets the victory? I'm all bet on
the two of you every day of the week, every
day of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
The week, right back at you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
And I have a question for you, Andrew, because one
thing that happened after all this happened, so even members
of the Congressional Black Caucus, we're calling like, hey, what
happened here?

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
We don't like it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
They were calling Comcast and reaching out. I had introduced
a project to the network, the Culture Is. It was
something that Joy read and I hosted. It was supposed
to be a special it aired. We won our time
spot that night. We trend it on Twitter that night
and it was for black women, and then there was
iterations after that we were intentional about. We said, hey,

(01:19:53):
we think the Asian Americans should have one, the Latino
women should have one, Indigenous women should have one. So
this was a project Joy and I brought to the network.
When members of Congress were calling to complain, the heads
of the network were saying, no, no, no, no, we
still value diversity because we have this great new project
called the Culture Is. They were using my project that

(01:20:14):
I brought to them to cover themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
But Andrew to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Justify it, I mean, you got to have a strong
mental state, you know, to say, you know what, I
expect this. And Andrew, you gave me such words of
wisdom that I try to adopt every day. I'm having
trouble adopting it because I do have expectations. But Andrew,
you said to me, Tiffany, you are expecting a hyena
to act like a lion when the hyena only knows

(01:20:40):
how to be a hyena.

Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
That's it. So you can't blame them. We get mad
at them but they're only doing what they know how
to do, and what a shame.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Yeah, they need to learn how to do something else.

Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
Well, all I'm just saying is that is a release
for us. We held them at a regard. They don't
know what it means to perform at that level. They
were faking it the whole time, and we're just being
turned on to the trick. We're just learning that they
were flogging that they weren't ever in this thing quite

(01:21:15):
the same way they were takers. You were the provider
and you're the lion. You and the Pride caught the meal.
They were just eating on it.

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
That's it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
Yeah, And all I have to say and that we
have to know this to free ourselves from it. Now,
to your point, Angela, we wanted I'm calling you higher.
I need you. If you're in my circle, you're my friend.
I expect when the battle comes, you're going to show
up as part of the Pride. I have that expectation.

(01:21:45):
But the problem is is that it took crisis for
all of us for God to show us that the
hyena was a hyena and we didn't have the power
to remove them from our lives before. So he did it.
He extricated them for us. So I ain't no love loss.
I see you, Hey, we're moving. You're not in the Pride.
Why because you're not a lion?

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Yeah, I just I want to do one more thing
because I shouted out some people that should be ashamed
of themselves. I want to shout out some folks that
I want to send some love to because they showed
up for you too, Joe Tika and that dog gone
win with black women and all of the women who
signed to that letter. Joe taka Edie Right, I'm saying
it like she's everybody's sister. She's our sister who we love.

(01:22:31):
Check her name. She's standing on them credentials ten toes down.
I'm Joe Tika. But Joe showed up for US civil
rights leaders who signed onto the letter supporting Tiff, the
folks who asked questions and stuck by the questions they asked.
I am grateful for y'all, and I see y'all too.
The rest of y'all, I still say, be ashamed, but
I did want to say shout out to the people
that showed up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Thank you Angela for that, and thank you to the
Machetes as well on everybody who supported, because I felt
your love support, even people I didn't meet who were
just like, I'm praying for you. I'm mad about it.
Who just stuck with me and was able to see
immediately through like oh wow, this network, this big network
trying to take this little black woman out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
And she is little. She got she talked Ben that
she is really little. I don't know if y'all know,
tiffanin't but five to two on a good day. Yeah, maybe,
but my attitude six's one.

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
That's what you're supposed to be. You fun size, but
don't cross me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Not fun sized.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Okay, it's that time for call to action. Who's gonna
go first?

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
I go first because mine isn't really a call to action.
But I want y'all to look at this. So this week,
my whole year was made because the best basketball team
ever in college basketball. To me, they were everything in
the nineties for me, My childhood got together. There was
a reunion after thirty two years. It was the Fab

(01:23:54):
five University of Michigan boys basketball team, men's basketball, black shoes,
black socks a day. Shout out to Jalen Rose, shout
out to Chris Weber, Ray Jackson, Jimmy King, and Juwan Howard,
who of course is also coaching University of Michigan's men's
basketball right now. I so love y'all, and I want
you to know that if y'all can get back together again,
so can the rest of Black America. I will keep

(01:24:16):
hope alive, as Reverend Jesse Lewis Jackson Senior says.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
And since angelin shouting out Jalen, I'm gonna just shout
out Jalen too, who was also very supportive when I
was going through what I was going through, posting being
physically there. So we love you, Jalen Rose. Shout out
to you and all the rest of the Fab five crew,
who I actually learned about later in life despite being
a world renowned sports expert. All right, Andrew, what's your

(01:24:41):
call to action?

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
Hang on in there. The reason we have to be
different on this platform is because so many people out
there are looking and living by other folks's highlight reels,
and they're never exposed to those valleys traveling about those
people who they admire and respect and want to be

(01:25:04):
just like. But the truth is we all got valleys.
Those days you just want to pull the covers up
over your head and not get up again. But see
it through. See it through some of them, you know,
some of these setbacks to fan Angela. God has to
make them loud and big. You got to make them
loud and big so that our examples can then be

(01:25:28):
of service to other people that you can go through,
come out and stand in the reality and the truth.
That's sure later will be better than your former. And
I just think I think we're going to exhibit it.
Our praise is going to exist through the peak's end

(01:25:50):
of valleys, and I'm just asking y'all to keep us
at a peak by arriving with five of your friends, downloading, subscribing,
and giving a review to Native Land. We need you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Yeah, y'all become the Fab five. Show up with five.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
They have set the example. Also, resist the urge, resist
the urge to assassinate character just because you disagree with us, right,
or we don't like when we disagree, We're not tearing
each other down. There is a way to disagree and
not be disagreeable. Right. We are at a critical time
in this country. I would ask you all to think

(01:26:30):
long and hard about having difficult conversations and leaning into
those and let us figure out a way to get
to agreement on the end goal, which I think we
mostly do. We might disagree on the means, but I
think we mostly do. We disagree all the time, y'all,
all the time, and yet here we are together. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
I'll pick up on that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
And my call to action is to be mission driven. Uh,
don't get caught up in things that are fleeting, but
decide what your mission is, the mission that serves you
and the greater good, and focus on that mission. If
your mission driven, it makes everything else seem a lot smaller.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
So that's our call to action for the week.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Welcome home, all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Right, Before we end the show, I want to remind everyone, please,
please please, We'll keep saying this. Leave us a review
and subscribe to Native Land Pod. We're available on all
platforms and YouTube. New episodes drop every Thursday. You can
also follow us on social media. We are Angela Rye,
Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillim. Welcome home, y'all. There are
two hundred and ninety one days.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
Until election day.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
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