America Mourns White Supremacy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome home, y'all. This is episode ninety seven, just three
shy of one hundred of Natal lampid, where we give
you our breakdown of all things politics and culture. We
are your host, Angelo Rode, Tiffany Cross, and i'll manager Gellim.
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(01:12):
Aside from will be at the CBC Foundations conference coming
up soon, what else we got going.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
There's so much happening in the world.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
One of the things that I think we should definitely
get to is this HBCU funding myth which is one
that has followed Donald Trump since the first administration. So
hopefully we can talk about that and what they do
to just shift resources when it's not for billionaires, they
just move the funding around.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Tiff, what's up, Hi?

Speaker 6 (01:40):
There's a lot of heavy things going on, but Angela
had a really great idea that I'm excited to talk
about to have Sergio Hudson on the show. Today is
Fashion Week running over the past few days in New York.
Fashion Week is a really big deal for designers, and
we're not having a flighty conversation about this. We're talking

(02:02):
about the role that black influencers, in black celebrities play
on brands and how that impacts commerce, what we wear,
and how it drives opinions. And sometimes we can prioritize
that thought that white is right, and we wear white designers,
but we may not put our money or our time

(02:23):
in black designers. So we're going to get into an
economic but also a social conversation about that. And so
I'm thrilled that we actually have Sergio Huson joining in
the show, So you guys don't want to miss that,
So stick around for that.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Nice. That's good. That's good, y'all. So speaking on the
heavy side, obviously, this last week in the country, we
saw a political murder of Charlie Kirk and it's gathered
a lot of attention and quite the how will you say,
difference in reaction depending upon, frankly, the character of the

(02:58):
person who's responding, and I'd love for us to just
sort of talk a little bit about what this moment
means for the country, for us, for our community, and
give a little bit of reflection on that writ large.
And with that, y'all, we're going to get into this show.
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Speaker 6 (03:40):
I think we should get to Charlie Kirk because something
that was interesting in the comments, a lot of people
were saying, I'm fifty nine minutes in and you guys
haven't talked about Charlie Kirk yet. And so I do
want our audience to understand that the shooting death of
Charlie Kirk occurred when we were wrapping up the recording

(04:00):
of this podcast, so we were not aware and that's
why we didn't get into it. But Angela did have
a conversation with Michael Harriet, whose book is almost two
years old and remains on the New York Times bestseller
list Black af History, in her solo pod, where they
didn't necessarily focus solely on Charlie Kirk, but talked about

(04:22):
white violence. And I think that is an important part
of this conversation today, Angela. Where can they find that
if they could want to check that out.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
So all of our podcasts are available anywhere you get
your podcasts, including our YouTube channel, So all of our
podcasts can be found in the same place.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, Tiffany, I'm glad you raised that because, in truth,
for the benefit of our audience, we did actually communicate
after the news broke of the murder of Charlie Kirk
there in Utah, and my reaction when we had finished

(05:00):
in rap recording and then learned about what it occurred,
was obviously immediate, you know, regret, you know, to see
you know, political violence kind of making the kind of
return that we've seen it make in the past several
months and years. Just think a couple of weeks back,
the killing assassination, political assassination of political leaders who in Minnesota,

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who had served faithfully their state for many, many years,
decades in cases, and had their lives just snuffed out.
And so of course my immediate reaction being just deep
regret about that, and that I think our humanity has
to triumph over most things, hopefully everything, and situations like

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this that you can vehemently disagree with the person and
find their belief system, you know, back age and backwoods
and still not rejoice, you know, at an event so tragic.
But I did also like that I was glad that
it didn't happen, you know, while we were in the
episode and knew about it, because I'm not sure that

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I could have you know, I would not. I can't
feign mourning. I can certainly be honest about the loss
of a life, and how tragic that is, certainly to
a husband and father. For a husband and father leaving,
you know, their young kids behind, they have every expectation
to grow up with their dad. A spouse who you know,
has every intention of spending their lives with their partner.

(06:32):
So at a human level, I can get it, but
I didn't necessarily trust that I could in the moment
really discount all the things that I know, all the
things I've heard, all the things that bring me to
such vehement disagreement. I hope that I could have trust
my trusted myself to to balance all of that. But
I'm not all the way certain My regrets still exists,

(06:55):
and prayers for their family as they they deal with
it can exist at the very humane level. And what
can also exist, or rather coexists, is that I still
very much so disagree with his words, and I think
the legacy that his words will will leave, and my, my, my,

(07:16):
my hope would have been that he would have had
the benefit of living out a long life, certainly one
long enough where he would have benefited from not just
age and living, but wisdom that could have controverted you know,
many of the thoughts that he had in his thirties.
I think about myself in my thirties and the stuff
I said, and the way in which I comported myself

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and the beauty that the gift that age gives us
is the ability to I think, see more clearly, live
a little bit more life, and hopefully learn something that
Heck and my mid forties, I'm not the same you know, Andrew,
I was in my in my early thirties. But that
being said, this debate has really taken off, you know,

(08:00):
almost the two sides of this thing, where if you
were a sympathizer and a follower of Kirk, you have
the monopoly on your mourning and monopoly on grief and
monopoly on sorrow for another human's life being taken, and
that if you square that with his real lived legacy,

(08:22):
what he promoted in life, that somehow you're denigrating to
him just as you celebrate him for what he said.
At the same token, I can say I disagree, and
I disagree vehemently with what he said in the danger
that it brought to so many people. So I just
I really hate that we're in this moment so ratcheted

(08:43):
up at the very top, starting with our president of
the United States, who should have used this as a
moment to bring people together instead used it as a
way to divide us further, and even the possibility of
weaponizing government in a way that they use it as
a cudgel against their political opponent, not in the vein
of memorializing Charlie Kirk, but really, you know, with the

(09:05):
intention of amassing more political power and really demolishing their
political opponents. And there's just something deeply wrong about it
at every level from my perspective. But I'm interested to
hear how y'all felt and one learning the news but
now having taken it in over this last week, how
you how you how you sort of analyze the state

(09:27):
of where we are.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
I would just say, we have a listener question on that,
so if on this topic, so if we could get
to that as well and then come back, I think
that would be good.

Speaker 7 (09:37):
Angela is a favorite listener, Amos Cross and Amos Ry.
So seeing any difference in reactions in our community, which
has been a widespread of different reactions, do you believe
that this is the time for us to have a
good faith discussion in our community politically? I think eventually
you will have to have one, but it's so who

(10:01):
and what can facilitate such a conversation. I have black
friends who are fairly educated at either New Trolley Kirk
or I actually have one friend who actually worked with him,
and they are all destroyed about his assassination. So do
we call these people sell offs and just move on
from them? It's important to talk right because our only gains,
as you know, as a community, has been.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Through the political system.

Speaker 7 (10:24):
And it wasn't because a pack of senators had a heart.

Speaker 8 (10:27):
It was because they wanted our votes.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
So with how fragmented we are, will.

Speaker 7 (10:31):
We ever see political benefits again as a community?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Have a part tim to the question, but I.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Shall thank you for the question.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
I think this is a really tricky topic for me
because what I have a natural disposition to do is
to protect black people. This shooting occurred, and shortly after
the shooting occurred, the rhetoric around what happened at Utah
Valley State, and I'm saying Utah for a reason. I

(11:02):
would encourage our listeners to go and look up the
demographics of Utah and the demographics most specifically at Utah
Valley State. It was almost immediate that it was the
dangerous left that was far more violent than anybody on
the right, and the implication was almost that it was

(11:23):
somebody who was black or brown and not from this country.
The vitriol and the hate field speech and the violent
speech around that, the number of posts on social media
that I saw calling for war is the very reason
why I had the podcast that I did yesterday, because
there's something in us, and we talked about this that

(11:46):
is epigenetically tied to the history of that type of
hate speech, the type of speech that resulted in the
destruction of our communities, the ones that we set up
because we wanted to feel safe amongst our own. Some
of those communities also include historically black colleges, which I
know we're going to speak to later, but some of

(12:09):
them were on lockdown the very next day after Charlie
Kirk was killed because they were receiving threats. Just slightly
under a dozen HBCUs received threats, including those that uh
TIFFs Alma Mater Clark right there. There was Hampton, Alabama State,

(12:31):
Virginia State, Southern University, and so many others. Spellman and
went on lockdown, and under us they Esport a specific
safety protocol. But I'm saying that to say that what
we have to reckon with in this country, or maybe
it's day at this point, have to reckon with in
this country is why it is okay to hear about violence,

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a violent occurring, a violent death occurring, and automatically assume
that that is on a When you look at the
last several political assassinations, political killings, politically related deaths, those
have all been done by white people. And so that
is why we had a conversation about white on white crime,

(13:15):
about white violence, about white hatred. While we're talking about this,
we're not talking about the student that was found hanged
at Delta State University. We don't know all the facts
around that, but it is certainly earily timed that we
should call a thing a thing. I think the last
thing I just want to point out here that I
also think is violent. We talked about the violent speech
around war specifically and all that. What also is violent

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in this moment is misinformation. And there were several posts
going up. One of them I even sent to a
group of black media friends, like, do y'all know if
this is true? I can't find anything on it, but
do you see anything. There were a number of players
in the NFL who they claimed we're supporting Charlie Kirk's
family after the death. After his death, and there was

(14:00):
nobody like going in to correct the record on these
young folks that they weren't in fact doing that.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
If they were, that as their prerogative.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
But I find it really hard to believe that someone
who was so vitriolic and hate Field and calling people
that we know and love dumb and saying they don't
deserve to be in position, that they would then go
and say we're gonna set up these funds and pay
for his funeral and do all of these things. Maybe
that's a Christian way I just don't understand, but what
it ended up being was violent misinformation, and I think

(14:27):
that's something we also have to be calling out at
this moment. And I apologize y'all for my voice.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I like a raspy voice.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
I love when my voice sounds like that, But I
you know, I have to say I would have completely
trusted myself speaking in the moment about Charlie Kirk one
because my aim is always to inform, and so you know,
I remember being twenty two on the breaking news desk
when things happen and you got to like write something
really quick for an anger. So I would have been

(14:58):
fine with it. Have been fine because my thoughts have
not changed from the moment I heard about his death
to how I feel now. And that is to say this,
I nobody wishes death on anybody.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (15:13):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
I don't wish for anyone to be killed. And I
also allow space for memorializing who this man was in life,
and who he was in life is very apparent when
we talk about political violence in this country, there is
no debate about where it's coming from. Angeliue, you referenced

(15:39):
the demographics of Utah, and so I just want folks
to know it is nearly eighty seven percent white in Utah.
The student body of Utah Valley University. Is that where
it happened. Yeah, there, they have about thirty six thousand

(16:04):
students who are not of color and then less than
ten thousand students who are, and they don't disaggregate that demographic.
And so but even without knowing that, like we know,
Utah's a solid red state, extremely heavily Republican, So none
of us were questioning about who the shooter might be

(16:25):
and had we been on air, we would have been
responsible enough to not speculate about that. And it was
just surprising to see how the media just immediately latched
on to whatever the White House said and presented it
out there with very little filter. So it it's discouraging
when you have to try to tell people you know,
verify and the legacy media doesn't even do that. Since

(16:50):
Charlie Kirk's death, I will say, around around the time
that he was murdered, he was encouraging a lawsuit again
me for something I said. I don't need to relitigate
it here, but I spoke about it at length with
Michael Harriet for Contraband Camp. So I encourage you all
to look at that interview if you want to see

(17:13):
what I said. And I stand firm in what I said.
I don't speak I try not to speak irresponsibly. But
the death threats that not just myself, but so many
people in our group chat have gotten have been extremely detailed,

(17:34):
extremely provocative, extremely specific. They have said to some of
our friends, They've named their address, they've named their family members,
they've named towns where they live.

Speaker 9 (17:48):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
Someone posted h to their followers when we see Tiffany
Cross out and about on the streets, make sure we
treat that dumb bitch like the terrorist she is. Remember,
the Constitution says we can overthrow a corrupt government, and
we can also take out any domestic terrorists.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
And right now all fake news are terrorists.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
So the conversation around right wing violence versus left wing violence,
I think is an important one for us to have today.
We are seeing facts are not facts anymore, and we
are seeing the destruction of that and you know various
You know how sports teams had a moment of silence,

(18:33):
schools in Oklahoma had a moment of silence, And these
things are incredibly corrosive to the moral spirit of people
who may not have lived through something like this before.
The DJ even scrubbed a study from its website that
concluded that far right extremism has killed far more Americans

(18:55):
than any other domestic threat. They scrubbed that study within
our words of Charlie Kirk's death. There's a book God's
Guns and Sedition Far Right Terrorism in America that documents
how right wing extremism has been on the rise. If
we look at just the incidents that's happened the past

(19:15):
few years, from the storing of the US Capital, to
Nancy Pelosi's husband, to the two state lawmakers, to the
attempted stabbing of the gubernatorial candidate Lee Zelden. Even Trump
Donald Trump faced threats on his life, the kid, the
young people, the young staffers at the Jewish Museum. A

(19:37):
majority of that violence comes from right wing I also
think it's important, Andrew, that when you hear these studies,
you have to ask, how are these studies conducted? You know,
you might read, you know, according to the Cato Incident
or according to the Cato Institute. This is, you know,
the data around right wing studies according to cap or whatever.

(19:59):
But I tend to dig into those studies. When did
you conduct this study? Well, how are you categorizing right
wing extremism? How are you categorizing left wing extremism. It
all still leads to the same thing that most of
this comes from right wing extremists. But I just want
folks to know. Oftentimes they will categorize left wing attacks
as those motivated by animal abuse, environmentalism, of anti police sentiment,

(20:23):
and we know what that means for black people. When
they talk about right wing extremism, they are including at
tax motivated motivated by sentiments like white supremacy and anti abortion.
So as we get into this conversation, I just want
to set that tone with actual information, and just because
you might quote a study or something, I think it's

(20:45):
important to know how they gathered that data and the
story that that data might tell us. But Andrew, I
know that you too think that we should memorialize him
using his own words, Oh for.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Sure, which is why that's what we'll do. On the
other side of this, we'll hear Charlie Kirk and Charlie
Kirk's along the words comparing abortion to the Holocaust. Absolutely,

(21:18):
I am. In fact, it's worse.

Speaker 10 (21:21):
It's worse where these blacks trying to go rob her
happening all the time in urban America. Prowling blacks go
around for fun to go target white people.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
That's a fact.

Speaker 10 (21:30):
Black crime is a major issue in our country. Why
are you pushing criminal justice reform?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Exactly?

Speaker 10 (21:35):
Joy Reed and Michelle Obama and Shila Jackson Lee and
Catangi Brown Jackson, they're coming out and they're saying, I'm
only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know you
do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be
taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white
person slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. Now, the

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southern border is, of course the great replacement they're trying
to replace demographically. They're trying to make the country less white.
It is an anti white agenda. If I see a
black pilot, I'm gonna be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.
Taylor Swift is now engaged to Travis Kelcey. This is
something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative.

(22:18):
Reject feminism, Submit to your husband, Taylor, you're not in charge.
America was at its peak when we halted immigration for
forty years and we dropped our foreign born percentage to
its lowest level ever.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Miss Rachel.

Speaker 10 (22:33):
You quote Leviticus nineteen, Love your neighbors yourself. The chapter
before affirms God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
In Leviticus eighteen is that.

Speaker 10 (22:43):
Thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death.
Can we get that picture up, Ryan, of that Marvel's
Avenger team. Now, I don't know who the person is
on the left. Is the person on the left that
tray that came into the interview with Joe the TikTok.
Your government is being run by freaks. Immediately, I have

(23:05):
like a flashback to a country where weren't able to
do bud light commercials. What is being trans even mean?
Does it even is that even a real thing? It
means you need therapy. We must ban trans affirming care
the entire country. I do think that there is a
direct correlation between someone's testosterone and their politics. On young men,

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the lower their testosterone, the more likely they are to
be democratic.

Speaker 11 (23:30):
So if you had a daughter and she was ten
and she got rapped and she was going to give birth,
and she would wait, oh, and she was gonna give
birth and she was gonna live, would you want her
to go through that and carry her baby? It's no,
but it's a real life scenario that happens to many people.

Speaker 10 (23:46):
Answer is yes, the baby would be delivered. When blacks
in America did not have the same rights they had today,
were less, they were less murderous, there was less break ins.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Why is that so?

Speaker 12 (23:56):
I'm sorry, are you trying to say that blacks thrive
under subjecation.

Speaker 10 (24:00):
I'm saying that I'm asking you the question. The data
shows they were actually better. In the nineteen forties, it
was bad, it was evil, but what happened, something changed.
I'm done talking about Epstein for the time being. I'm
going to trust my friends the administration.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
So clearly y'all can hear the pure hatred, the indecency,
the inhumanity, the trafficking, and just the most gutterist form
of not even politics of humanity, you know that we
have to live with. But I'll tell you I worked

(24:35):
for a civil liberties organization for the majority of my
working life, people for the American Way, and part of
our founder Norman Lear's, you know, real premise was the
fact that even a Charlie Kirk would we have to
defend his ability to say whatever the hell he thinks
and believes, even if it is something that we disagree

(24:55):
with vehemently and in truth. The right used to hold
up the banner. That's you know, these liberal touchy feely
woke what is the other one, the cancel culture? And
now these are the same people who are attempting to
regulate what it is that we say, to redefine free

(25:19):
speech as no freedom to speak at all. Let's hear
from our top cop, top prosecutor and what she in
this administration have to say about.

Speaker 13 (25:29):
That there's free speech and then there's hate speech, and
there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened
to Charlie in our society.

Speaker 14 (25:39):
Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups
who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people,
so we show them that some action is better than
no action.

Speaker 13 (25:50):
We will absolutely target you, go after you if you.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
Are targeting anyone with.

Speaker 13 (25:57):
Hate speech anything, and that's across the aisle, you know.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Love it or hate it. Hate speech unfortunately is still
projected speech and under the Constitution and by the Supreme Corps.
But I will say this, there's a lot troubling about
what Pam Bondi said there, but I was struck first
by her saying we will absolutely, especially after what happened
to Charlie kurt As if she wasn't around three four

(26:21):
five weeks ago, when legislators were struck down in their
beds practically in the middle of the night, awoken by
right wing extremists coming to kill them, and you know,
by the grace of God, many other legislators were spare.
So I tell you it'd be one thing if you

(26:42):
could trust the government to clamp down on quote hate
speech if they were actually going to do it justly
and rightly, and go to the people who are actually provocateurs
of hate speech, because that would mean they'd have to
clean out their own bedrooms first. But I have no
trust in it. And where I see a going now
with this Attorney general slash personal counselor to Donald Trump

(27:06):
is the weaponizing of all of the forces of government
to include stripping people of their five oh one C
three non tax tax status, organizations, prosecuting presidents of organizations
C three C fours, and then forget about us, y'all podcasters,
every day folks who are out just demanding justice in

(27:28):
their community, who are now being accused of hate speech
because they happen to disagree with the people who happen
to be in government. Now, I wonder does that ring
alarm bells for y'all? And what warnings do we need
to give to our community about the win which they
may now use their power to subjugate us further.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
You know, the thing that comes to mind is, well,
it's twofold. One is there's been a lot of conversation
on right versus left, But I still think this is
a conversation about white versus white. The reason I'm saying
that is because the Emmet Til Anti Lynching Act was
just passed in Congress in twenty twenty two. Right, This

(28:12):
was just passed in Congress in twenty twenty two. And
I'm bringing that up to say that the protection of
black people against violent rhetoric and then the violent actions
that are taken on the other side of that violent
rhetoric was just put into law three years ago. We

(28:33):
have to have the conversation that many have been afraid to.
I don't think that this is along ideological lines. This
is a race battle. This is one where there are
governors of progressive, liberal and even moderate democratic states, so
left states that have flags flying at half mass, or

(28:54):
that we're flying at half mass in honor of this
man's contributions to society, even when those contributions resulted in
death threats to people we love, like Tiff.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think that is something we have to wrestle with.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Why is it that someone who can cause such great
grave harm to people who look like us be celebrated
and given a hero's welcome. Why is it that the
Confederate soldiers, folks who they read about with glory, even
though we know the real story, get celebrated, statues, schools

(29:30):
named after them, streets named after them, all of the
things that are being talked about someone who frankly utilized
Confederate ideology in his podcast regularly, right, Like, how is
that something that we should protect, honor and lift up.
I think that that is something that really has to

(29:51):
be wrestled with in this country, and it is highly problematic,
and it is absolutely violent. It is the kind of
thing where it felt like to me we were being
gas lit for the last week literally since we walked
off air on our podcast. I'm just like, what are
they seeing about this human being that I do not see?

(30:13):
When I hear what he says, it sounds harmful. When
I hear what he says, it sounds like, is I
know it's a lie? You know, like talking about our
brain processing power? Those are things that they did in
po genetic studies for years under the guise of medical care.
The way that they practiced on our bodies and experimented

(30:34):
on us, All of those things are racist, and those
are the very things racial eugenics that he's lifting up. Right,
So anyway, I just it's it's not a right versus
left conversation. Well, it's a versus white conversation.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I hear you, I absolutely hear you. I will say, though,
I think it's different saying that a person didn't does shit.
We don't celebrate or lift up the murder of people
who happen to that we happen to disagree with it
will be on the opposite side of us. I think
that's a hardline. Period enough said, that's my statement there.
But I also agree with you that this idea, the

(31:08):
honorifics that have been extended by the American on behalf
of the American taxpayer has been mind boggling. I can
agree that you should not be killed for your political beliefs,
and at the same time, I can say I do
not believe that American taxpayer dollars should have been used

(31:29):
to fly a private citizen's body in an American aircraft
with such dignity and honorifics that were extended by this
administration that we want to.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Say issue with political beliefs. To me, what he said, well,
what did you take?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I do take issue with that. The problem is is
there are people who disagree as vehemently with the things
we believe.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
But I'm saying what he'spewed, was it political beliefs? They were?

Speaker 15 (32:01):
It was it was it was a political belief to
the extent that it drove them to the conclusion that
that is why DEI should not exist, and that is
why we shouldn't put black people on the US Supreme Court,
and that is why we shouldn't have black pilots, male
or female, flying commercial airliners and jets of large proportion.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So when, when when their racist beliefs lead to public
policy prescripts, then absolutely it's gonna you go hear from
me on all sides of it, because consequentially, I could
deal with a person who hates me because of the
color of my skin but don't have the power to
do shit about it.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
But I guess what I'm saying different, it's the person looks.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
I guess I'm saying, no, no.

Speaker 11 (32:48):
No, no.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I agree that it's not just political consequences. I completely agree.
I think about Ruby Freeman and her daughter and the
terra that they had to exist and try to survive
through at the hands of the Trump presidential campaign, and
they're lingering folks, So I get what it means for
us down deep. But what I'm saying, the reason why

(33:10):
I where I take exception, where you're going to hear
from me, is when your belief system, and your disparaging
belief about me, my wife, my family, the conditions in
which we live and the values of which we hold,
is when they lead to a political outcome that then
disenfranchises me, That then creates the permission structure for my murder,

(33:31):
That then creates the permission structure for me to be
fireful without cause, with no justification, simply because of the
color of my skin.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
And That's what I'm saying. The ramifications are far beyond politics.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying his belief
system is one that impacted nonprofit and philanthropic giving. It
impacted whether or not there was DEI policy in the
federal government, in state and local governments, and in corporations.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
It impacted whether or not kids could be admitted to school.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
And sure we can say that even a court decision
is a policy based could have policy based impacts, and
is therefore political. But what I don't want to do,
hopefully in this conversation, is limits this man's rhetoric and
dangerous impact on society to squarely political because it was
so far beyond politics.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well, as a political scientist, politics is again about the
study of people, so it isn't necessarily derivative of whether
or not that study has implications on public policy. So
I understand that you don't want us to talk strictly
in that vein all the reason I have to say
why I think politics can't even begin to completely encapsulate

(34:47):
the danger. Yes, right, the danger presented. And that's why
his murder matters is because in life, the way in
which he could impact our everyday existence in this country
simply by his utterances as ignorant as as as ignorant

(35:08):
as they were. Yeah, I think it got JD elected,
got Trump re elected, got you know, so on and
so forth.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
Yeah, I think you I understand your point, Andrew, I
really do. I deeply connect with your point, Angela, and
I think you both are you know, Angela, you might
be starting here, and Andrew you pick up here.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
But if we're both all.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
Going the same direction in the same lane, I connect,
I think, Angela with your point deeply because it is
our humanity.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Andrew.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
I think what you're saying is yes, but that policy
will impact our humanity. I think because I'm looking at
this strictly through the lens of humanity, I hear you
Andrew that, Yes, of course we don't celebrate someone's murder,
we don't uplift it, we don't encourage things like that,
of course, because we are rooted in humanity. But I

(35:59):
will be hones this with you. I do not grieve it,
not for a single solitary second.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
This I grieve it, right.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
I don't think any of us gree but I'm just
saying it's almost getting to the point where it's like
you have to come out and grieve this. I do
not grieve it, not for a single second. When our
disagreement is rooted in my destruction, I do not grieve
that death. It was not just Charlie Kirk. I mean,

(36:27):
he is not the martyr here. Tana Hase Coates did
some amazing thought piece for Vanity Fair, and he did
some really in depth reporting within this thought piece, Crystal Clanton,
the group's turning point is his group turning point.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
USA. She wants texted.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
According to ton of Hakki's reporting, she wants to text
and this is triple facts. I talked to ton of
Haze about this. This is vetted and fact checked. She wants,
texted a fellow Turning Point employee, I hate black people,
like fuck them all.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I hate black's end of story.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
One of the group's advisors, Written McIntosh, published a newsletter
featuring an essay from a writer that said blacks had
become socially incompatible with other races and black culture is
unfixable and a crime written mess. In twenty twenty two,
after three black football players were killed at a school,

(37:27):
Meg Miller, president of Turning Points chapter at the University
of Missouri, quote unquote, joked in a social media message,
if they would have killed four more niggers, we would
have had the whole week off.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
So this is the ilk of people who.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
He followed, who the ruling class is suggesting that we
mourn that we grave when really we were like, so
what's y'all having for dinner tonight?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Like what's everybody doing this weekend?

Speaker 6 (37:59):
You know, it was not this moment of grief for us,
and I will not be scared into silence around that.
I think we have every right and if not even
a right, a responsibility to say that's it this is
how we feel. I don't know Andrew what you're talking about.

(38:23):
There is a pathway to a solution. I think in
our politics there's a pathway to a solution.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
But the not one that doesn't go through our humanity.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
This is my point.

Speaker 6 (38:33):
The humanity piece I do not believe has a solution.
I don't know the solution around that. I don't know
that there is a solution, which is why I deeply
connect it with Angel's point around humanity right.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Part of where I come from on this about how
they see my humanity, and it's probably built out of
the fact that I live in the South. There is
a polite disagree There is a polite understanding that we
are oftentimes co located walking next to, standing in line,
in front of, or behind somebody who doesn't respect my humanity,

(39:09):
doesn't believe I deserve what I got and where I am,
or or would wish me the worst. I almost in
so many cases wish that they could just say the thing.
And part of what I appreciate in sub cases about
it and Souf is someone will call you a nigger right,
or will put it on their truck or fly their
Confederate flag. You know, Hi, you know, loud and proud

(39:31):
on that said truck to just remind you of where
they think your place is. And so much of me
has been muted to that. It's like, okay, cool, you
make your way right on back down the street, the
way it is you live, and what all you've earned
and accumulated for yourself and for your family. But the

(39:51):
place where it is a non negotiable is when that
thing starts to then impact where my kids get to
go to school, how they get to experience their education,
whether or not they can compete competitively, either for debate
or for football, base or dance or ballet, whatever it
is that they choose, whether it impacts my ability and
then compete on the job. And I know that it

(40:12):
does right because a lot of these people then get
to take those same attitudes into managerial positions deciding who
gets to then join this part of the workforce. But
as it relates, I don't want to go on a
crazy tangent, but I just wanted to say I'm less muted,
I'm more muted to their respect from my humanity, and
I'm much more cinched in this idea of when you're

(40:36):
backwards ass you know, depraved beliefs, really about yourself, because
I know that's what's at the seat of it all
is the fact that you and I can't compete with
each other. We're not in the same league. You're absolutely correct,
and you got four hundred years plus of denigration on
me to have all the levels above. But unfortunately you

(40:59):
and I found your yourself and real competition, and you
cannot take.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
The heart I'm not competition.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's again if we had to be generous with the word,
now you find yourself in competition with me, and you realize, well,
what their parents realize is that they're back on the couch.
That their parents know is they didn't got the jobs
that they thought that they were going to be given
off of their quality, which now they are having to
compete off of the content and the quality, and they

(41:29):
can't pass the mustard. And so that fury is is
really a rejection and in reflection of the fact that
they are not prepared for this moment.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
Yes they're not, but I don't think they've been prepared
for a lot of moments. But I think that is
the the the overwhelming evidence supports that racist, conservative white people,
whatever category they fall in, the right wing extremist, maga,
whatever you want to call them. The truth is they

(42:01):
do not believe in themselves enough. Because if they believe
in themselves enough, they would not have to keep the
playing field.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
So seesaw so.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
Lots of exactly, and so because they don't, while we
have so much belief in ourselves, we can look at
this lopsided playing field and say, watch me, hurtle every
one of these mothers, and I'm gonna go well beyond.
I'm gonna reach depths that they have not even thought about.
And that is something that they find infuriating, that they

(42:33):
cannot coexist with.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
And they respond in violence.

Speaker 6 (42:38):
And you know the thing I will say about this
violence that's so scary is I watched the video of
him getting shot through through the neck more times than
I care to admit, in fear because that shot was precise.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I mean, it just made me sick.

Speaker 6 (43:00):
I was terrified watching that because we all speak publicly.
And what frightened me about it is in the immediate aftermath,
it was almost a whisper of go seek revenge. You
guys like go go out and whoever did this.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
It was on bullhorn and it was on every social post.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
From the highest levels of I mean, that's what I
mean that it was a permission structure.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
That was loud, that was.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Truth social let's pull the post.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
And when it was saying they.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Weren't mourning and we weren't mourning and grieving, I was
morning and grief.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Follow the orders, right, because otherwise would not have had
to close.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
You were mourning way, So I'm mourning and grieving our
ability to it feels like there are pieces of our
freedom that are being dismantled every single day, sometimes by
the hour. So not grieving someone who's caused pain, but
grieving what is going to be the repercussions on us
and our freedoms as a result of how they began

(44:10):
to frame this narrative.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
And even now when.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
As soon as they found out that that little white
boy killed him, it was prayers up for him. Before
they realized that it was not a black or brown person,
they were on our heads like we ready to put
y'all back in the belly of a slave ship and
send you back across the ocean, right. And then as
soon as they realized who he was, the prayers up.
Now the frame is about whether or not he had

(44:34):
a trans partner who was transitioning in the fall, so
they can put it back at the feet of the left.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Which is by the way, insane, right, Yes, because none
of us. First of all, I've been around LGBT politics
from my work professionally and also personally, and I would
never connote simply a person's identity as an LGBTQ per
as being less right. I don't know what you were

(45:05):
raised in a conservative Utah household, And simply because your
life partner at this time and your life might be
a trans person does not tell me anything about what
you think about me. Hello, thank you, And the examples
can go on and on and on. So even the
trans pivot that the right is attempting to make that

(45:27):
on square with my politics, necessarily I don't know. While
I am a supporter of trans rights, what I don't
know is anything about what this man believed politically. And
by the way, he's never voted a day in his lives.

Speaker 6 (45:40):
It's not just the right attachment that, it's the media
like they are clamping onto that too.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Is there a difference because.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
Responsibility like I know these people and they're on air
like I know them, and just to hear them regurgitate
what talking points from the White House or tap dance
around what's real. It's so disappointing to see it's just
a I don't know, it's just a lost cause. And
I just feel like on some level at this point

(46:18):
I have been I feel so disconnected from politics. But
I totally understand your point are and you brought it
home beautifully when you were talking about impact where your
kids can go to school, and those are very real,
tangible things. But when I get to the humanity piece,
it just I don't know. I just feel so disconnected
from this landscape and the closest thing I can compare

(46:40):
it to I think you know about like enslaved women
or just women who were trying to make it during
the civil rights movement in the forties, fifties and sixties,
when your spirit is in such danger that you got
to huddle together and you've so far above you can't

(47:02):
even meddle in this melee right now, It can feel
like that is the devil's business to be even engaging
you in conversation and what you call a good health debate.
The one thing, and I think it's even above this,
but the word that you use Angela that I have
been I don't know if you created this phrase or not,
but I have definitely been using it as though it

(47:23):
is my own, and that is psychological safety. Ever since
you've said that, I've said that so often because that
is what I feel. Every time I'm doing Abby show,
I do like all day I'm tight, I feel so
just uncomfortable. When I walk in there, I feel uncomfortable.
And when I feel that way in life, I vacate.
I flee, like don't. I don't engage in that. And

(47:45):
I at this point, am starting to feel that way
off TV sets. I'm starting to feel that way around people.
And in my spirit, something is stirring saying it is
time to elevate.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
It is time to in this.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
The spirit inside you that is on this earth having
a human experience needs to elevate. And I feel that
spirit of commonality and a whole lot of other black
women too. Now it could be with black men, but
I talk to a lot of black women who just
are We're kind of observing, like Wow, this is really happening.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
And that doesn't mean we're apathetic.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
It doesn't mean we're not gonna vote, doesn't mean we're
not organizing, but I take very extended breaks from looking
at the minutia of what's happening in this world because
it weighs my spirit down in a way that doesn't
feel right to me. It doesn't feel natural to me.
So I don't know what other people are going through
what I feel that.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
That's powerful, and I know we're closing out, but well.

Speaker 5 (48:45):
And just really quick, I do want to say that
while this country continues to grieve so many instances of
loss of life, political officials who were in states that
where flags were not flowing half masks and they weren't
even acknowledged by the president for losing their lives. But

(49:07):
I also want to point out that the day after
Charlie Kirk was killed last Thursday, there was another high
school shooting at Evergreen High School in Colorado. And I
think it's important for us to realize that yes, people
kill people, but the access to guns and the lack
of gun safety in this country will continue to perpetuate

(49:28):
all types of harm and violence if we don't get
it under control. I think that is a non partisan problem.
Bullets are nonpartisan, and so should our ideology be around
protecting citizens.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, you know, you'd almost think our humanity would also
be non partisan adviting.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
How about that.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
Before a search I'll comes on, Andrew, do we have
time to talk at least briefly about HBCUs or do
y'all want to do that in the mini.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I'd love to hear, Angela. I don't know if you
feel comfortable just sort of bringing us into that real quick.
I think it's important that we RaSE suspected for our
community about what's happening on the funding.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
First, I just want to acknowledge that our schools have
been fighting for their lives since the foundation. You all
as should we see you grad certainly know that you know,
historically black colleges and universities have to do more with
less all the time, and this is no different. So
the Trump administration recently made an announcement that it was

(50:26):
giving five hundred million dollars to historically black colleges and
universities after cutting funding for minority serving institutions. And what
I wanted to do in this moment was just a
flag that this was not a new grant or a
new gift like what they do for rich taxpayers. It
actually resulted from a taking so this administration cut three

(50:50):
hundred and fifty million dollars that supported minority students in
science and engineering in STEM fields. We know that black
students are are historically underrepresented in STEM fields. Three hundred
and fifty million dollars was cut from federal grants two
minority serving institutions. Again, remember that number three hundred and
fifty million. There was a five hundred million dollar influx

(51:13):
to HBCUs and to charters. Nearly one hundred and forty
million was cut from teacher training programs because the administration
claims that it promoted quote racially divisive ideology. Additionally, fifteen
million was cut from Magnet schools specifically created to combat

(51:36):
school segregation and provide educational opportunity for black students. And lastly,
nine million cut from Gifted and Talented programs. The administration
said that these used quote racial targeting and recruitment, suggesting
they were actively working to include black students. Now here's
the thing that I just want to flag, because people

(51:57):
love to say that something was the lesser of two
evils when we talk about our politics. The difference between
the five hundred million dollar transfer from minority serving institutions
and programs that help black students is that under the
Biden Harris administration, they invested seventeen billion over four years

(52:20):
to historically black colleges and universities, and those were not
transfers from other minority serving institutions. I think people will
often and I want to flag this for our audience
because we can get a little black versus brown, black
versus indigenous on here in ways that I don't like.
Let me make it clear to you that one bucket
I used to work for an organization that represents historically

(52:41):
black colleges and universities. It's called NAFIO, the National Association
for Equal Opportunity and Higher Education. You can look it
up to fact check me. Under Minority serving institutions and
Title three funding is something called predominantly Black institutions. So
it's not just Hispanic serving its institutions and Native American

(53:02):
serving institutions that experience these cuts, it's also predominantly black institutions.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I would I appreciate that, Angela. I would also simply
add that also be careful where it is that they
are targeting the influx of resources, because if you've experienced
being an HBC in a state like mind, like Florida,
where on one hand they like to look like they're
dangling these nice influxes of resources, but with the other hand,

(53:32):
and sometimes with the same damn hand they're giving. They
are taking away our professional degree programs. They are reducing
our ability to produce massterial and doctoral degree programs. They're
removing research funding from US and putting it with pwis
eliminating the opportunity for our kids to get our college

(53:52):
students to get access to that. So essentially, what they
have resigned themselves to is if we're going to support
blacker educational institutions, we will support them in being a
bacalaureate degree manufacturing institution, but we will not put resources
into their ability to become lawyers, doctors, professional degree earning

(54:15):
seeking and earning individuals where they can earn greater resource,
more money, attain higher degrees, more pay, and also ability
with certain positions to attain those positions. But we'll go
ahead and give them a baculoia degree manufacturing institution, but

(54:36):
we won't offer them the opportunity at higher levels of education,
higher levels of opportunity for research where they are quickly
and assiduously moving the cheese is in the direction of
that level of educational performance and production and then trying
to relegate us to only being baculoiate degree granting institutions.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
Yeah, well, I think this is a conversation we'll pick
up again and again because it's to me it seems
like a coded effort to stoke a war, to have
communities fighting over crumbs while.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
They always steak.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
So, yeah, will visit this.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Okay, native lampod vam.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Just on the other side of this break, we'll be
joined by Sergio Hudson and IgA Beckham family that Tif
and I and we hope that they become family to YouTube.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
So joining us.

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Now we have two powerhouses in the fashion industry. Many
of you all may know that it is New York
Fashion Week time. It's Tiffany and I's favorite time of
the year. But sadly both of us we're not able
to join people who will become like dear family members
to us. And they are joining us here to talk
about really the role they've had as black designers, a

(56:01):
fashion powerhouse in this industry, the many ways in which
it is challenging, in all of the many ways in
which they've overcome, they are inga Beckham, who is the
CEO of Sergio Husband and Sergio Husband himself the creative
director and co founder with Inga Beckham of this incredible brand.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Hey, y'all, we missed the shows.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
I'm so bummed I can be there.

Speaker 6 (56:24):
Well, you'll see on the screen pictures of Angela and
I each year sitting there gawking and drooling over every
dress and design coming down. We literally sit there the
whole time just tapping each other. And we are very
lucky and fortunate to be donned in Sergio when we
were seated front row in Sergio Hudson's show, So we

(56:46):
consider it an honor and a privilege to be on
your invite list every year. So thank you both. So
y'all have come through, and Inga, you know y'all have
come through for us many many times. So we love
you both.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
But Inga, you know we.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
We we owe you drinks and dinners, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Yes, and all the flowers.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
But I do want to just say we do appreciate y'all,
And I think Tip what you said is a good
place to start. Tip talked about the two of us
being there, but also y'all know the machetes show up
regularly to Sergio Hudson fashion shows twice a year where
Fashion Week takes place.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
You all have been clutch for us emotionally.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
You all have been clutch for us just you know,
in terms of all the ratchet things we do, cracking
all the jokes, and I think that we together have
built a community of encouragement. And so the expectation I
have for y'all is that our community would support you
all the ways in which you support the community. And
I would argue, there are a lot of people that

(57:48):
don't know all of the things you do. But I'm
just gonna give y'all one quick example and then we
can get into this. As Inga sits before us right now,
she is rocking Simone Simone Smith's earrings. There is not
a black brand that they see as a competitor. They
see them as family. And even for black entertainers A Listers,

(58:09):
B Listers, Z listers, I'm a Z lister, They look
out and take care of us right like you guys
just do. And I just I want to publicly thank
you for the ways in which you show up for
people when they're on top, when they're somewhere in the middle,
and when they've hit rock bottom.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I'm about to get thinking about it, the way that
y'all that y'all have.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
Come through, and one example that comes to mind, and
then I'm gonna yield on the other side of the
really unfortunate, humiliating dismissal of our dear sister Joy read
from MSNBC. Joy was asked to be a special surprise
guest at Black Women in Hollywood in LA and I

(58:53):
did what I normally do, text and get the eleventh hour,
like Sis, there's this incredible moment Joy has and we
on a show, she's on top. And when I tell y'all,
Inga and Sergio sprang into action to make sure that
Joy was looking her best and filling her best And
then was like, you and Tiff cannot go to that
looking crazy.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Y'all gotta look y'all gotta be rocking the right thing too.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
So it's just a small example of the things that
y'all have no idea they do.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
And I just love y'all, So I just want to
lift that up.

Speaker 5 (59:23):
That was a long filibuster, thank you, but it really
is one thing that I think is important for all
the A listers that missed out on that show, which
is one of the best. I am biased, but it
is also true. I just want them to know that,
y'all are.

Speaker 6 (59:36):
I think before we come to you, guys, I just
want to say some of the people you dress, so
you guys can fill in the blank. But of course,
Madam Vice President Kamala Harris is a regular on your
client list. Actress Blake Lively can often be seen donning
your fashion on red carpets, Machete member co host of
The View Sunny Houston. We actually gifted her for her

(59:58):
birthday one year on air, Sergio fits.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
So you are a I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
A household name in elite Hollywood circles and brands. Can
you talk to us a little bit about what happened
this week around fashion Week and your relationship with you know,
the black community, Like, how can we support you and
how have you experienced support?

Speaker 8 (01:00:23):
So and I said, listen to my team.

Speaker 16 (01:00:26):
You know, I'm I was raised by activists, minister who
you know. Literally, I've sat outside while my mom went
into crack house and got people out. I've driven hours
with her to take people to rehabs. I've went in
to you know, get prostitutes off the street, like I
was raised like that to help my community to be better,

(01:00:49):
be greater. So when I chose to go into this industry,
I look at it as community as we need to
be all for each other. So so you know, I'm
constantly asked questions. You know, why is this person not
at your show? Why is that person not at your show?
And my viewpoint on it is even from my team.

(01:01:13):
You know, my viewpoint on it is who's going to
be there is who's supposed to be there. And at
the end of the day, I can't stress about who's
not there, but I do value who is there for us.

Speaker 8 (01:01:23):
But what I will.

Speaker 16 (01:01:25):
Say is my issue came in you know when you
see black A listers and I'm talking about black people
because those are my people. I don't really care what
you know, other communities do. They can do what they
want to do, support who they want to support. But
I'm just a black person that wants to support my people.

(01:01:45):
And if you my viewpoint on it is, if you're
an A list black person, what you can do most
for a brand, not just my brand, but any black brand,
for the Quan's brand, for Christopher John Rogers, for any
of us that are strugg striving. I mean for Rachel
Scott who just became the crab director of Penza Shuler

(01:02:06):
and showed had her own show at the same fashion week.
She did two fashion shows in one week. And you know,
it's crazy that these A listeners don't go to these
shows just to go you know what I mean. I'm
not saying don't go to the other shows because we
all support other designer brands. I mean, I carry a
Ferragamo bag every day.

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
I don't.

Speaker 16 (01:02:28):
I'm not against us buying designer pieces and supporting other
designer brands.

Speaker 8 (01:02:34):
But what I'm saying is.

Speaker 16 (01:02:35):
If you have some celebrity, what would it be if
every top tier A list black celebrity decided I'm going
to go to at least one New York Fashion Week
show that is by a black owned and run brand.
What would that do for the diaspora of black designers

(01:02:59):
out there. Because it's a lot of us, and we're
all different and we're fading. You know, this season, I
don't think it was but like two or three of
us when a couple of season agoes like thirteen. So
you know, this industry is extremely hard and if you
can't get the support from your people. Then that's that's
where my post was coming from. It wasn't coming from,

(01:03:21):
Oh I'm upset these people didn't come to my show.
We were literally turning people away from our show, you
know what I mean. I tell people all the time,
the seating at the show is what I hate the most,
because people it's craziness, like everybody wants to come to
a faster show. But what I was trying to say
was we as a people have to stop allowing the

(01:03:45):
drug of white adjacency to contaminate our psyche. And I'm
saying that from a place of being intoxicated by that
myself at times.

Speaker 8 (01:03:56):
You know, I'm just being completely honest.

Speaker 16 (01:03:58):
Sometimes when you're a designer and you dress black people
all the time, when you get that one white celebrity
that wears your stuff, it's like natural for your first
mind going, oh my god, this is the biggest deal
I've ever had. And I kind of have to sometimes
talk myself down and say, you know what, this is great,
but that was great too. And you know, we have

(01:04:19):
to begin to train ourselves to know that we are
the moment. We don't jump into a moment, and we
make the moment and if we can learn that. Then
I feel like we would elevate every black brand, not
just clothing brand, but every black brand.

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
To the next level. And that's that's where I was
coming from.

Speaker 16 (01:04:39):
It wasn't coming from a place of I'm upset, because
I wasn't at all.

Speaker 8 (01:04:45):
It's been mostly love and understand But you know, you
have those people who.

Speaker 16 (01:04:51):
Come in and they're like, oh, maybe they just theyn't
want to come to your show. And then you have
the people that be like, well, maybe if you put
more black in your show, they would come to your show.
You know, you have those people, the keyboard gangsters I
like to call them, that come online and they want
to get a rise out of you. But mostly it's
been love and understanding. But I wanted people to understand

(01:05:14):
I wasn't talking about like just my brand. I'm like,
if you come to New York Fashion Week as a
top tier alist, and when we say top tier alist,
we know what that means person black person, and you
don't go to one show that is from a black
owned brand, that is a problem for me. I'm sorry,
I can't I can't even sugar coat the past that like,

(01:05:37):
that's the problem.

Speaker 8 (01:05:38):
And if you don't think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
That's the even bigger problem it's worth Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
You know, and to this, to this point, Inga, I
want to come to you because I think that people
do need to see you off for who you are
really are, which is supporters of black brands. Y'all are
not requiring or requesting people to do anything that you're
not readily doing yourselves.

Speaker 12 (01:06:02):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
So the fact that Sergio made this post and there's
any controversy around it at all is really fascinating to me.
Even this point you said back from the keyboard Gangsters,
I'm gonna make sure we roll tape of the some
of the shows where the models are walking down right
before you come out to say thank you and everybody.
It is a very diverse show and there are tons
of black models. I watched Inga do one at Kim's

(01:06:26):
conference this year for accelerate her with the models that
came in, and it was still most it was very multicultural.
Y'all are very conscientious and mindful of that. And I
think if there's anything I want to speak for you, Inga,
but you just expect the same back from your supporters.

Speaker 12 (01:06:42):
Yeah, I think I think that is exactly first of all,
let's I want to go back a little bit. You
are not a Z lister. That's number one. When you
guys show up and show out in your clothes, you
are fabulous. So let's just address that right there.

Speaker 9 (01:06:57):
We are honored to have you guys.

Speaker 12 (01:06:59):
You guys have been doing the good work for the
community for a very long time. And yes you do
always text me very last minute. Angela will work on that,
but there's nothing my co hosts.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Will tell you then you can do it. I'm so sorry, y'all,
I gots but to be.

Speaker 9 (01:07:20):
Very clear, we are fully aware of what your.

Speaker 12 (01:07:24):
Work is in the community, and we know that if
we texted you at the very last minute, you would
show up. And so I think for us, what Sergio
is talking about is just reciprocal knowing that we come
from that place right and knowing the hardships that we
have when we are sold at Birdorf, Neiman Market, sax

(01:07:45):
Fith Avenue, blooming Dell's. We are sold at all these
you know, very prominent this department stores, and we sit
across from all these big brands, but we are not
we don't have one hundred million dollars, but.

Speaker 9 (01:08:02):
We are fully owned operated.

Speaker 12 (01:08:05):
We you know, we have ownership of our brand, and
so we have creative control, and we're up against a
lot and we fight every.

Speaker 9 (01:08:16):
Six months to do New York Fashion Week.

Speaker 12 (01:08:20):
This is hundreds of thousands of dollars that we're coming
up with on our own sponsors that do believe in us.

Speaker 9 (01:08:26):
So I think, you know, Sergio coming from a.

Speaker 12 (01:08:30):
Place of just saying, not just for us, but for
all black designer brands or all brands of color that
are fighting against all the funding, the people showing up.
You know, what would it take, what would it take
for us to get these A listers Black A listers,

(01:08:51):
people of colature understand that just doing one small thing
will make a big difference to a brand like ours
or any other.

Speaker 9 (01:08:59):
That is fighting this fight. It is really really hard
to run this brand.

Speaker 12 (01:09:04):
It is really really hard to come up with these
hundreds of thousands of dollars to do these collections. This,
this is very serious for us. This is our livelihood. Sergio,
this is his dream, you know, it is my dream
to support him. We have come together and we compete
against these other brands, and so I think, like I

(01:09:25):
know Sergio's heart so and he really wasn't.

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
He wasn't hurt out. We had our front roll was lit.
Let me be very clear, right, we had Mary J.

Speaker 12 (01:09:35):
Blige, we had Sunny Austin, We had so many different
influencers that came and showed up and posted and do
the things for us.

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
So we weren't.

Speaker 12 (01:09:48):
We're not hurt, right, It just it just was his
expression and any negativity around his post. It's people wanting
to be negative, that are going to be negative no
matter what.

Speaker 9 (01:09:59):
You do and what you say. Right, So I think
we just you know, I think we had to.

Speaker 12 (01:10:05):
I appreciate you guys for having us, and I appreciate
giving us a platform for Sergio to be able to
really speak his mind and you know, let people know
what we do and how hard this is because we
do support, we support, and we don't only support black brands,
we support other brands as well, and we show up.

(01:10:28):
You know, there are so many different races that are
were are closed. Our runway is diverse. We had at
least I think fifteen search your black models in our
show this time.

Speaker 16 (01:10:40):
But so you know, Jenny having the question being asked,
you know, or even being said, maybe if you use
more black models, I don't even think about it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
But I went through the model look and I'm like, oh,
there are.

Speaker 16 (01:10:53):
Like fifteen fifteen models that are black, and then like
I can't even the nationality, like between Asian and Hispanic.
It was barely in the white girls. I was like,
oh my god, I feel like I'm I need more
white people. Like at the end of the day, it
was pretty much just a show full of people of color.

(01:11:16):
So I think that's a bigger thing. That's a whole
other conversation when you see what do you see as
black people? Because you look at my showing, because the
girl has curly hair and she has fair skin, does
that mean she's not black?

Speaker 8 (01:11:30):
I mean at the end of the day, Angela, I mean,
look at me, look at my mother.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
In denial.

Speaker 5 (01:11:38):
You had it right, y'all know I'm sensitive about my
call today.

Speaker 16 (01:11:47):
I know I'm light, and you know my mom is like,
you know, but I'm very black. So I don't and
I don't and I don't want to be like discounted
because my skin color is like and I'm not gonna
just count. And at the end of the day, everything
I do is strategic. I use a lot of black
models and I use models across the diaspora, because what

(01:12:09):
happens in fashion is we turn black models into a
trend and a type of model that you use. So
if it's not just this one type of black girl,
it's not a black girl, and that's just not true.
Black people come in all different colors, and that's what
I try to show in my show. So if you
don't notice that there are different types of black girls,

(01:12:31):
that's not my issue. You should just pay a little
bit more attention to what's actually going on in the
diaspora of black people in the world. It's not just
one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
So yeah, Inga and Sergio, this is Andrew and I
know we don't know each other, but I am adjacent
to two of the women that you're dressing. So thank
you for helping me to look better.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
Just by standing between the two of them, I'm saying
I look forward to being dressed by you withday.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
But moreover, I just say, you know, first of all,
congratulations on your wild success. And I think it should
be very clear and I understand it clearly from you all.
You aren't asking for any charity. It's sort of like
what I was, what I was growing up, not growing
up but as I entered politics very young, I'd be
in you know, the Washington Post, in the New York

(01:13:20):
Times or some publication, and my family would not give
me credit until I was in ebony. And when you
were validated by your people, then you had you had ascended.
It was legit. You're doing something. You and ebony, if
you and jet you, you hit it right. And so I,
as I understood and listen to you, I thought back

(01:13:41):
to that experience and thinking, you're not begging celebrities who
are a listeners to come to your show. You're saying,
you know, see us, validate us, because your validation of
us is important to me. It's important for our community
to see. It's important that we see each other's value.
And that why does not always write in the way

(01:14:02):
in which the world has to see your contribution to
uh this this space celebrity a or a lister. And
I just think if you're going celebrities are particular about
where they go anyway, So if you're going somewhere, you
have intention to be where it is you are. And
I think what you ass conversation as illuminated for me

(01:14:24):
is that if you're gonna move with intention, move with intention.
Don't give lip service to wanting to support our community
when someone shot. But when we're at we're we're when
we're at our zenith, when we are bringing wealth, value,
beauty culture into the space and shaping that culture by
our contributions, it would be nice to look out and

(01:14:45):
see you there with a wink in or no saying
I'm proud of you, brothers, sister for what you are doing,
period right.

Speaker 17 (01:14:52):
And yeah, thank you, Yeah, you know, go ahead and anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Let's spread that word. Let's spread that message. These incredible creatives, yeah,
are coming from a glass half full, if not running
over and moreover, they're doing it with intention for our
community to be seen not in a box, but with

(01:15:28):
a canvas. I love that and everything that paints.

Speaker 6 (01:15:31):
Well, Okay, I just I want to ask something because
Inga you have have shared with me about the financial
structure of fashion.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Sergio.

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
You have been so insightful and answering all of my questions.
And I don't think even the fashionably aspirational you know
who go out there and you know, will spend all
their money on Gucci or Prada because they hear that
mentioned in a hip hop song or they see you
know something in and pop culture that makes them say, oh,

(01:16:02):
if that's what the cool people are wearing, that's what
I want to wear. And the impact it has when
we do that on black brands. One the incestuous nature
of the fashion industry and its ownership. Right, so a
lot of these brands, which I did not know, fall
under the same umbrella company.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Also something I didn't know.

Speaker 6 (01:16:20):
Sergio was so kind enough to take me to lunch
at Bergdorf Goodman and we went into the store and
I I was so excited. I was like, Oh my gosh, like,
you have your own section. And then we were walking
and I saw another designer with like a huge section,
and I was saying, I've never even heard of this person,
Like who is this person? And this person had just

(01:16:41):
come out, had just become a name, like within the
past year. But I'm like, but Sergio has been out
for years.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
What did this? I don't need to tell you all
who you love to do? The white girl?

Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
What did the white girl do to get this huge section?
While Sergio, who is dress seeing everyone from the highest
ranking official black women in the United States and Vice
President Kamala Harris, so one of the top and first
Lady Michelle Obama to one of them, thank you, keep
keep them coming like we could coming. But also to

(01:17:17):
some of the Hollywood's top rated actresses, I mean from
Gala's to show, thank you, thank you anybody who you
guys want to name that that you dress. So, I
don't know, I just think there would be if we
would benefit from hearing from you both on the the
financial structure of that and how these these I guess

(01:17:43):
the merchants, I suppose, the people who are the buyers,
how they determine who gets placement in these department stores,
how your brands are promoted, and what you all have
to do versus other people who fall under conglomerates to
might own five of the top brands like Lvates for example.

Speaker 9 (01:18:03):
Well, I think it really.

Speaker 12 (01:18:05):
Does honestly come down to funding. Right, A lot of these,
as you mentioned in Bergdorf Goodman, they have in stores. Right,
you have an in store, you do have to have
the funding you pay for in stores, which means you
have a build out essentially. If you don't have all

(01:18:26):
that funding behind you, then it does come down to
the department store and your sales, et cetera. And you
get an in store, you know, if you have the
funding for it. Essentially otherwise, truthfully, when you are in
these department stores, basically it is the amount of clothing

(01:18:46):
that the buyers are allotted to come into your market
and buy. So you have an amount that they come in,
they buy the clothing, and based upon how much they bought,
that is where you have the placement in the stores.

Speaker 9 (01:18:58):
That is how it works.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Got it? That's helpful?

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
And then how can folks at home support? Yeah, if
they're not going to make it to Fashion Week, if
they're not going to make it uh to New York
City and to Burgdoff Goodman's, how can how can the
person at home right now in Alabama where where my
mother in love is and in Georgia, Southern Georgia where
my mama is. I don't know what they person is

(01:19:23):
looking like, but but how can they How can they
find you, see you, access you so they can.

Speaker 12 (01:19:28):
Go to Sergio Hudson dot com. We have a direct
to consumer site and we are really great with our
customer service. I have really decided that we are going
to work very strategically on ourselves on our store.

Speaker 8 (01:19:45):
We used to.

Speaker 12 (01:19:48):
Really put the department stores first. When I say that,
I mean, you know, obviously, these are the stores that
are frequented the most, that are are in other states
and that you can get to.

Speaker 9 (01:19:58):
So we we love at.

Speaker 12 (01:20:01):
Until we get our own brick and mortar, which we
will be. I am claiming that it's going to happen,
and so we will. We will be in states near you,
but for now, Direct to consumer Sergio Hudson dot com.
Come on there shop that is the place. But we
are in Neiman Marcus in Atlanta.

Speaker 9 (01:20:24):
We are in uh.

Speaker 12 (01:20:27):
Bloomingdale's in New York and uh is it DC Sergio Sergio. Yes,
So we are at different stores in different states across
the country.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
The the last thing that I want to say, because
I was heckled for my last minute requests, I just
want you all to know that we are going to
be at the Congressional black hawkt Foundation Daniel legislat the
conference next week.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
It's also and.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
There may or may not be a very important moment,
so it would be amazing if.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
We could be there will be an important.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:21:07):
Or may not know about that moment.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Wow, Okay, well then you know more than me.

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
But all I'm gonna tell you is this It would
be nice to be as as Biggie would say, but
I'm a re quote Sergio Hudson down to the sock.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
It is so if we can, if we can figure
that you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Like why you all have been so generous with your
time as as we as we part with you, we
want to give y'all the last word to what what?

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
What would you have us do? What do you want
the people to do? What do you want the folks
to know?

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
Any call to action?

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Basically your call to action? What would you lead admonishors
to do?

Speaker 16 (01:21:49):
Oh wow, that's a lie, but I think so here's
the thing. If our brand is very specific, so we
I do understand that everybody can't afford to, you know,
Sergio Hudson collection, but those of you that can, and
you buy designer clothes often, I'm not telling you to

(01:22:09):
forfeit any of your favorite brands. All I'm saying is,
you know, go in request us, ask for us, try
us song, try us out, see how you like it.
And if you can just create a little section in
your closet for us or for some other designer brands
that might fit your taste a little bit better, and

(01:22:29):
you will see how if everybody that could afford our
clothes did buy it, it would help so much and
you would see the growth. And what I will make
a promise to you is if that you do support us,
that we will give back to our community that looks
like us, and we will create more opportunities for people

(01:22:50):
that look like us. That's the difference between when you
purchase from us and when you purchase from a brand
that doesn't look like you. I mean, it's nothing that
can go back to you when you know. It's kind
of like when you have a credit card and you
you like there that particular cards we like better because
you get cash back. I feel like when you support
black brands across the board, you're getting cash back into

(01:23:12):
your community. It's a way for you to help, it's
a way for you to grow. Because the reason we
don't have a foothold in this interest because we don't
have any ownership. Any industry that you don't have ownership in,
you have no power. Power in any industry is money.
And in fashion, we don't have the power because we
don't have the money. And that's the why you don't

(01:23:35):
see a lot of us. You know, that's why I
can go from having thirteen black designers down to two
or three in a fashion week. And I think, you know,
we are working on some things to where we can
reach a bigger price gap of people. You know, confidentially
we are doing working on a couple of things to
be able to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
But wait a minute, Sergia, you can't break news in there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Just all I can.

Speaker 16 (01:24:00):
Tell you, That's all I can tell you. That's all
we can tell you is we're working on something.

Speaker 6 (01:24:08):
But yes, okay, yeah, we're working on some things to
be able to reach more of a bigger audience, so
to speak.

Speaker 16 (01:24:19):
And that's all I can say is support us and
you know, ask for us, and that's all we can do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
Shout out to your amazing partner, Devine.

Speaker 8 (01:24:31):
Yes we're going to love that. I need.

Speaker 10 (01:24:36):
You.

Speaker 12 (01:24:37):
Guys can take it home to just piggyback off what
Sergio said. You know, if you can't afford the brand,
and you know that's understandable, especially especially in this time
where everything is so uncertain. You know, tag repost refer
to someone you know, uplift us in some way. It's

(01:25:02):
not always in a monetary where there are many things
to do to show support for the brand, what you
guys are doing right now. So we're grateful for it all.
And I want to be very very clear, like I
said before, our front row was lit. Our supporters. We
have supporters of every race I mean that showed up

(01:25:25):
for us, that we love dearly and appreciate. So you know,
just for our people that did show up, our A
lists that did show up, that show up for us,
we are eternally grateful.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
We are so grateful for y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
Thank you for all you do for setting the standard
and blazing the trail in the fashion industry and beyond.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
We love you, INGA.

Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
Every time we get together, you know, we crying, so
I aren't doing it at the end of the show too.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Sarjia. We love you, brother, and to both of your partners,
we love.

Speaker 9 (01:25:58):
Thank you, Andrews. Pleasure to meet you. We want you
as some men.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Sergio, I'm here there it is. I'm just trying and
keep my you know, little figure together for you, you know,
put me out there, bro.

Speaker 12 (01:26:14):
Like he certainly because he put it, he put what
we wanted to say in words.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Thank you so much, Thank you God bless y'all, And
we're wishing you well, bless up, bless welcome. Well, that
was a beautiful conversation, y'all. And and I saw their hearts.

(01:26:44):
I heard their hearts and saw their hearts, and I
just sometimes think the reason why I wanted to just
emphasize how you know, the cup running over and that
this isn't charity, is that they I saw the more
spokespeople crying out for, you know, their fellow family of
black designers in this space, who were again once thirteen

(01:27:05):
last year at Fashion Week and this time two or three, right,
so you know, for as they said, for those of
us who can, we should. And I know every I
know some of the most struggling in these people. I
know who set their design on getting that, you know,
being able to have that red bottomed shoe one day
and they go get it. So set your design on

(01:27:25):
a Sergio Htel and go that your nope, my CTA,
however is and then I'll leave Linda yours. It's simply
that I was reading about, of course, the high rate
of unemployment amongst black women, which again is rivaling historic low,

(01:27:46):
historic highs for Black women in America in their unemployment
and the rate of them that are now reaching six
months without a job and in the job search, and
how really debilitating and depressing and undermining it can be
to the mind, to the ego, but also to the wallet.
And so for those of us who know folks who

(01:28:09):
brothers and sisters who have been laid off, family members,
close friends, so on and so forth. Back when I
was growing up in church, you used to give love
offerings where you weren't asking for anything. Nobody came up
to you and said, I'm about to be in the
pole house, so I need such and such and such.
But folks intuitively just felt, you know what I wish.

(01:28:30):
Let me just bless this person with twenty dollars. I
just want to remind us of the tradition of the
fact that all of us go through something sometimes, and
in fact, if we keep living, probably those ebbs and
flows will happen throughout. And wouldn't it be nice if
we had people without us asking looking like we're beggars,

(01:28:51):
because we're proud people, especially those folks who work and
earn their living. But if you could bless folks up
a little bit by twenty five to fifty dollars check
you might give them might be the minimum payment they
need to put on their credit card that they've been
spending on to get by, to hold them over that'll
keep them from a default on that month's payment. You

(01:29:12):
just never know. And so I just want to have
us to expand our collective thinking and coverage and support
of our community to include even when folks haven't asked,
to just tap into your intuitive or your spiritual self
and say, man, let me just They don't even got

(01:29:33):
to know it came for me. Let me bless somebody
in a way that that may pay real dividends for
them and help them out of a out of a
buying But I hope things will change on this economy,
but it's gonna be rough. It's rough now and it
may be rougher yet. Still. So that's my CTA, TIF
what you got.

Speaker 6 (01:29:53):
You know, my CTA is really one for myself that
I'll invite other people to tap in and whatever way
they need. That is how I value myself. And it's
changed over the years. When I was I remember coming
into my late twenties going into my thirties, I stepped
into a new meet and decided, this is who I

(01:30:13):
am and this is what I tolerate and this is
what I don't and I definitely feel like I'm going
into a new era of that. Someone reached out to
me this week and asked me to be a backup.
They had asked someone else to do something and that
person was, you know, a little shaky on it. And
they said, oh, you know, just checking to see if
you might be available, and I said, I can be,
but I need to know, like within the next couple hours.

(01:30:35):
And you know, I won't charge you. I just you know,
need your team to cover hair and makeup and transportation
and I'll help you out if I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
And he said, well, I don't know we're doing all that.
And my ego.

Speaker 6 (01:30:45):
Said to say, I'll well, I don't know who to
you think you asking men, But my spirit said to
just say, oh, then you know I may not be
the person for you. Let me recommend some people who
might better serve this event. And just being done with it.
And I'm trying to, in every iteration of life, learn
how to value myself and that includes value my love

(01:31:09):
that I give to people. How am I valuing this
love and who I am? That includes valuing my voice.
If I'm not being listened to, then I don't need
to speak if I'm talking to you and you're looking
at your phone. I need to value my voice enough
my words that i'm speaking that know I'm not going
to repeat myself, and know I'm not going to keep talking.
I can just be silent. I'm also valuing my voice

(01:31:31):
in a space where you might have all the attention,
but maybe you just need to be quiet.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
So just be quiet.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
To challenge myself to go internal and be comfortable in
the home that is myself, in the home that is
my spirit and the silence of my own internal world
and navigating that and not jumping out there with an
opinion or a thought every single time it occurs to me.

(01:31:59):
I challenge everyone else to value yourself and I will
say angelo about the psychological safety. That is one way
to sharpen your discernment around psychological safety. And if it
makes other people uncomfortable, to be uncomfortable in that, you know,
because my psychological safety should not really be a negotiation,

(01:32:21):
and I have to create that for myself.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
So that's my CTA.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
This is gonna be the cringest ass podcast today.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
I'm wearing this shirt today. This is protect your peace
as an affirmation because I feel like I haven't. My
voice is gone, guys, because I screamed so loud this week.

(01:32:54):
I did not mean to do this on the podcast.
We could just cut it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
I could cut it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Well, we don't have to cut it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
But I will say that Angela protects other people's piece.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
She is a warrior on behalf of so many other people.

Speaker 6 (01:33:20):
So I would like to close out the podcast here
and pick up because I think Angela has a soulful
call to action.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
That is putting a lump in my throat.

Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
That maybe could be a good mini pod to talk
about what whatever protecting your piece looks like and what
Angela has gone through this week that is highlighting protecting
her piece for her So Andrew, if you're on board
with that, I think this would be a good place
to close and invite our viewers to tune into the
mini pod so we can talk about what protecting your
piece looks like.

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