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June 6, 2025 17 mins

This week hosts Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye, and Andrew Gillum address a topic that’s been in the news a lot late: Trump’s “Big Beautiful” budget. 

 

Despite Elon Musk calling the budget a “disgusting abomination,” and Trump himself asking Republican legislators not to cut Medicaid, the GOP budget plan will extend tax cuts for the richest Americans while slashing the social safety net; if the bill passes in its current form, millions of Americans will lose health care, food stamps, and more. Many are calling it the largest upward transfer of wealth in American history. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Native Flame Pot is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership
with Reascent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
All right, So we promised you in the show that
we would continue our conversation by talking about the budget
that is under consideration in DC. If you're thinking it
doesn't apply, that it doesn't matter, our words haven't sunk

(00:23):
in yet about it. Maybe it's time to listen to
the words of from the mouth of Babes. Let's roll
this clip.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good evening, everybody. Right, I'm sorry I said good evening, everybody.
My name is Corey Skipper Miller. I am nine years
old and a fourth grader at Yonkers Montessori Academy. And
for those of you who don't know me, I'm Keish.
The Skipper's sad. My mom is the president of the

(00:55):
Yonkers NAACP. But that's not why I'm here today. She
usually speaks at these types of events. But I wanted
to represent the youth because what's happening now could change
our futures. And what President Trump is doing and it's
threatening to do, is frightening. Wow, parents and teachers are

(01:16):
talking about a lot of things that we don't know about,
but unlike some people, we know the meaning of the
Declaration of Independence. Come on, we all saw the video
talking about low IQ all jokes aside as you can see.

(01:39):
My mom is astu independent as she has been for
more than five years due to COVID pneumonia in both
lungs since March of twenty twenty, and without Social Security,
my mom and I would not be able to survive.
My grandmother, who is turning ninety eight years old on
May fifteenth, would not be able to survive. My brother Kyle,

(02:03):
who is a marine. When he becomes a veteran, he
is entitled to veteran benefits and without those he wouldn't
be able to survive. Cuts to Social Security, cuts to Medicaid,
cutses veteran benefits, and cuts to education. Her, my mom,
my grandmother, my brother, and me, my whole family. So

(02:26):
I'm asking you, you, you, you, especially your mistakes, because
me in New York. What can you do to help me?
I know you're all lawyers, right, I know you fight,
just keep fighting. Thank you all for your time.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I the brother Corey. I know your mom is the
president of the Yonkers inna a cp man, but your future.
Your presence is bright, and your future is even brighter.
But what I loved about that clip and I whatcome
you ass reflections to a lot of folks have the again,
the tendency to patch on the head and good job
and I'll go back a child and a child's place

(03:05):
or some stuff like that. But and sometimes, and in
some ways, it takes that from the mouth of a
child for us to look a little harder, see a
little bit more deeply the ways in which a thing
can affect and impact us. And that's really what I'm
feeling about. I don't know, I don't know if y'all
have heard it much, but the mood around which people

(03:28):
have been looking at this budget, the fact that there's
in our community not a whole lot of talk about
the extreme implications of what can happen here. And by
the way, not just with the money, and that's huge enough,
but also with the policies that they are pursuing through
this budget, things like giving the president unilateral ability to

(03:51):
decide who is a charity and who isn't to charity,
to go after Jamal Brian if he wants, and take
that church's sex or any congregation around the country, any
organization declare it a terrorist threat and by doing so
be able to supersede or really avoid due process and

(04:14):
get rid of it, you know, by a single man's
act on the medicaid question, we're talking about seventeen million
Americans today having health care, and after the signing of
this bill, potentially, if the Senate doesn't rise up and
do its job, those folks won't have access to health

(04:34):
care anymore. These are people who largely gained healthcare under
the advances that we saw under Obamacare, and now that
access to care being extinguished, it extinguished. We some of
us have heard about CHIP, which is you know, Hillary
Clinton talked a lot about it because she was in
part responsible for its existence, and that is ensuring poor children,

(04:57):
making sure that children have access to health care. That
was one of the largest lifts for children as it
relates to their advancement away from the conditions of poverty
that we had ever seen up to this point in
the country since Franklin del Noah Roosevelt and the great
expansion of the social Safety Net. I should also say,

(05:19):
by them erasing the food assistance program, which took the
largest amount of children out of hunger and poverty in
this country. They're going to begin to reverse that cycle,
putting kids kids not just back and more deeper into
poverty Andrew okay, allowing them to experience what it means

(05:44):
to only have a meal when you are in school hours,
and after that, good luck until Monday, survive Friday, evening Saturday,
all day Sunday until you can get another full meal
on Monday. The cuts to food assistance programs again go
beyond just our children. It affects parents who are on

(06:06):
food assistance programs. I hope that we'll be able to
in some future date talk about the impact of housing
and the conditions that working mothers and fathers are finding
themselves in, working a full time job and still not
being able to make provision for themselves and for their families.
And so if you think that you're in the just

(06:29):
barely surviving middle class, these are the kinds of material
conditional changes that occur that cause you to slip more
greatly into these insecure class positions that we sometimes find
ourselves that in truth, unless you're Elon Musk, it's a

(06:49):
very tenuous place. It's a very tenuous existence. And because
I evoke the name Elon Musk, I want you all
to hear what has been his latest word words as
it relates to this total package in this big, fat,
beautiful bill of harm that President Trump of the Republicans
seem to be moving forward.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Longtime Trump ally Elon Musk once again broke away from
the President, posting some thoughts on his social media platform
x saying quote, I'm sorry, but I just can't stand
it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork filled congressional spending bill
is a disgusting, abombination. Shame on those who voted for it.
You know you did wrong.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
You know it now. I don't think the man is
really worth assault, but I do know that there are
Republicans who still fear him. They are Republicans who are
going to be up for reelection to Congress and to
the Senate, who value his money and therefore don't want
to be on the other side of him. In fact,
since that initial tweet was made, he's gone on to

(07:52):
say that we should hold those elected officials accountable who
betray us by voting for this piece of legislation. So
maybe his entry into this may be throwing down somewhat
of a gauntlet for Republicans to think once or twice
about whether or not this is a package that they
want to advance. This, as I said before, be the
largest cut and snaff benefits ever in the history of

(08:13):
the program. The only people, y'all, aside from the tip
the note tax on tip, which, by the way, for
those of you who think that's enough for you to
vote or to be in support of this bill, that
is only a temporary measure. It isn't even made permanent
in this piece of legislation. So they want to give

(08:33):
us a carrot quote, but the truth is it's not
even a whole carrot. They've shaved it off. It's a
temporary measure to keep us silent, some of us while
they pass the biggest shift in American wealth yet again
into the hands of the richest, top one percent of Americans.
So I just want to say where we are right now,

(08:54):
and then my colleagues are going to win with their thoughts.
And that's to say, right now, the Senate is supposed
to be made it's changes. If the Senate makes changes,
there will be a committee that comes together both of
the House and the Senate representatives to try to combine
those changes into a singular bill that then has to
go back past the House and then has to pass

(09:16):
the Senate. It passed the House the first time by
one Republican vote. So when we talked about making calls
to members of Congress, to raising our voices, jamming their switchboards,
and sending emails, these are the kinds of actions. I
believe that if you care about any of this, maybe
you've got health Garet through your employer and so you're
not worried. The reason you should be worried is the

(09:38):
premiums will increase and you will be responsible for paying
for those premiums for the people that they kick off
the program. That's how it has always worked, that is
how it will continue to work in this country. So
whether you think you're impacted directly or not, we all
have something to I would say buy and large lose.
Unless you're a listener and you're part of the one percent,
we've got a lot to lose by this piece of legislation,

(09:59):
and now hopefully we ca can all wake up and
start to pay just a little bit more attention to it. Tip.
I know you've got questions, and Angel is better than me.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
So yeah, I would yeld because we we literally only
have minutes, and I'm really sorry. I wish we had
more time for this conversation because I have a thousand
questions for you, Andrew. Instead of asking a question, I'll
just say thank you for pulling out, because that was
going to be my question, to be honest with you.
But then when you did it, I was going to
ask you, well can you pull out, like what are
the five things that are going to have the most impact?
And you pulled out more than five, and it has

(10:28):
me nervous and disturbed. I would yield my time to
Angela because I know we have a limited time. My
only request of my two co hosts is that we
revisit this conversation about the budget because this is hugely
important and I hate that they keep calling it the
big beautiful bill. I knows they called it, but it
is big bad bullshit. That is what the bill is.
Stop taking their words, like we got to stop using

(10:49):
their idioms, like no, that's we will no longer call
you all pro life, not when you take a month
away from kids. We're not going to call this a
big beautiful bill, Big bad bullshit. That's what I did, Angela.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
There's another one of our sister friends who has some
bees for these people. So I think it's a beach
blonde bad butch body build is what it is. That's
what I think it might be.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
But I want to.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
Say, TIF, I actually think it may be good here
for you to ask some of your questions, even if
we don't answer them. I think it's an opportunity to
engage in a townhall style format with our audience. And
I would just suggest to people. I know that when
some of us, and I'm saying from the hill too,
there used to be sections when the budget proposal came

(11:42):
to the Hill. We would take sections and divide it up,
and each of us would have to respond based on
those sections because of how much work it is. So
I know, looking at the page jumpers, just like, where
do I even begin. What I would urge you to
do is do a search, like in a PDF, on
the things you care most about, whether it's healthcare or
it's SNAP, which in the bill will be supplement on

(12:04):
Nutrition Assistance benefits.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
I think supplement on Nutrition Assistance Program program.

Speaker 6 (12:09):
Why did I say we still want to d MBS
this y'all, but yes, the program, I definitely I say
a SNAP instead of snab. I'm sorry, but I would
encourage you to look at that veterans, you know, search
for health care in there. We're suspecting that a number
of people's health care. I think more than eleven million
people will lose health care benefits in this bill. So
please just go and do a search in the bill,

(12:33):
which is called the Big Beautiful Bill Act or whatever
it is. It just look because it does impact you.
If it doesn't impact you, it impact your parents. If
it doesn't impact your parents, and impact your kids. If
it doesn't impact your kids, and impact your neighbors. So
please make sure you take a look at this.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
There are also articles written about it. And I now
want to yield to tips question.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Well, I guess my first question and we don't have
to answer these now because I know we're at the time,
but my first question to end would be, you were
the executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus for a
number of years. I would ask what, if anything, could
and should the Black Caucus be doing as a legislative
body to stop this. We can talk about that later, Andrew.

(13:14):
My question to you is for the person who's going
to be impacted by this, particularly snap benefits, particularly if
your kids rely on this for food. Is there anything
that people can do other than call their members of Congress?

Speaker 1 (13:27):
You know?

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Is there anything that people can do? And then I
will take this time along with the viewers, I hope,
and I will go through the bill myself and look
for things that will directly impact my life or things
that will impact the masses, and come back and ask
you guys more policy Center questions. I love that about those.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
And the only the only thing I know. We don't
have a lot of time is to simply say, I
fail to say that Donald Trump wants to sign this
bill into law on July fourth. So if you're thinking
about how much time we have, how much time we
get to rally, they expect to have a bill completing
on the desk of the President so he can do
some great Independence Day gimmicky thing as he kills more Americans,

(14:09):
as he sets us up for untimely deaths because of
the kinds of cuts. And I'm not being dramatic, y'all.
If you've ever had a family member with a medical
crisis or disease that you all do not have out
of pocket money to take care of I'm not talking
about going to the emergency room. I'm talking about treatment

(14:30):
and healing and recovery. You better know that folks are
going to parish as a result of cuts that give
them the only possible extension of life. The thing to
do if you live in a Republican area, particularly tiff Angela.
This has always baffled me, but it baffle baffles me more.
Here you're Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia. Many

(14:56):
of these places have Republican either entire legi delegations that
are are Republican, their governors are Republicans, and certainly in
those states they're US senators with very few exceptions are Republicans.
The greatest harm that will be felt through the cuts
of these programs will be in many of these Southern
states as well as as well as obviously the Midland

(15:17):
and other states, middle of the country and the other states.
But for our folks, who principally help to occupy many
of the of the much of the population, this is
coming for us. So it is not an overstatement to say, email, call,
go to them and let them hear your stories. Then
it needs to be personalized. These aren't numbers on a page.

(15:38):
I'm an individual, I'm a household, I'm a voter, and
I'm being negatively impacted by this. That's what I think
it will take, and I look forward to I'll continue
conversation on this. I know, I know there's more to
cover here. You just had to get it in real quick.

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Can we can we do one thing you know we
all are doing again, I think a pretty solid job
of talking to people and hearing different perspectives. I really
want to have some of those folks who would be
directly impacted on the show to talk about what their
experience has been, because the truth is, even with what
they have right now, Tiff and you talk about this
all the time, even about your mom, it's not enough

(16:13):
right now. So the cuts are going to really really
hit a lot of people, and I think we should
really get their voices on because we talk about these
things in such an abstract way sometimes I don't think
people realize it's literally their cousin or their on or
you know, it's a lot closer than people think.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Well, this was a great mini pid. We're definitely going
to pick this conversation up. Thank you guys for tuning in.
Remember We have our main podcast that drops every Thursday.
Minipid drops every Friday. You can catch Andrew every Monday,
Hangela every Tuesday, every other well every other Monday, and
The Angela on Tuesdays. You can catch us in LA

(16:52):
this week, and you can follow NP on all the things.
Be sure to check out the other shows on Recent
Choice Media. Thank you guys for tuning into this minifi
welcome home.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
Thanks shall.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
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