February 10, 2025 • 33 mins
NLP debates top 5 Black leaders and the audience weighs in.
Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye, and Andrew Gillum reveal their picks–and yours–for the top 5 Black leaders.
From Justice Jackson to Elie Mystal to Jasmine Crockett to… Cardi B?? Get ready for a lot of name dropping and debating y’all, it’s tough to build a roster.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Native Land Pot is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership
with Reisent Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Native Lamb Pod? Hey, Angela, Hey, Andrew, Hey Tiffany. My
name is Jessica and I'm sending this video to you
from Houston, Texas. I love Monday's mini pod on who
are our Black Leaders? How I looked at it as
your basketball basketball team. You have your coach, you're starting
five and a six man. So for a coach, you
(00:30):
have to have Revend Now Sharpton, You're starting five, My
good Sores, Jasmine Crockett, Katanji Brown Jackson. Then we have
Gary Chambers, Justin Pearson, Bacari Sellers, and for the sixth man,
I felt like we needed to have someone in the media,
(00:50):
So I was going back and forth between joe An Reed,
Roland Martin or Don Lemon. But I'm a schoose Joy
and Reed and the Sore. So that is who I
think could our leaders be. And I really love the
idea of having more than one leader because everybody has
(01:12):
strengths in different areas and can reach different demographics generations.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So yeah, welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
This is our mini pod where we gonna go back
to old school hip hop days with a top five,
but instead of it applying to hip hop, it applies
to black leadership in this country, which we desperately need,
especially in the trying times that we're in right now.
So I feel like I fulfilled my assignment. Last week
we just code opened with Jessica, who did not honor the assignment.
(01:41):
She didn't like me and have more than five. She
was like, well, you need a coach, and you also
need a six nan and while I'm at it, let
me just throw these other names in here that I
didn't decide on.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So I'm gonna have a full ten deep squad.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But to that point, to the rest of the people
on this squad, my co host Andrew Gillom and Tiffany Cross,
who are in your top five.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, I'm going first Andrew because you are okay, So
my I want to be clear, this list is for
people who are going into the White House to sit
at the negotiation table on behalf of black folks. It's
not personalities, but it's people with like policy areas of
(02:24):
expertise that I think would benefit black folks. So my
first nominee drum roll is mister Andrew Gillham.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And I will say why, Andrew. I'm saying you because
and I thought about this because I know a few
people who you know, worked in politics and policy at
different levels. But I think you are the most audacious
in your policy outlook and plans, the most insightful, like
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you have a wide breath of knowledge historically presently and
also for cast thing what can happen. You've worked at
the local level, the state level, and I think that
is a key interest to black folks. That's where a
lot of policy happens. You are below the Mason Dixon line.
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You're in the South, yes, yes, which I think can
you know has the ability to remake the American electoral map.
So Andrew, I want you at a table next Latasha Brown.
I think Latasha is a great organizer and just has
such a bleeding heart for the people. So I think
she would be gracious enough to see blind spots and
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be able to course correct where something should should be.
This will maybe a little controversial for y'all, but I
would also have President Barack Obama at a table. The
reason being is because he has been in the position
before and has a wide scope and understanding of what
happens at the federal level that we may not even know,
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the information that we're not privy to, So I think
he would have a unique lens in that space and
be able to guide some parts of the discussion. Then
I would have Revend Barber, because I think Reverend William Barber,
who leads the Poor People's Campaign, I think he would
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be focused on the bottom percentage, the working class people,
but also people who are just impoverished across the country.
And he is just a good kind person. I think
he would be in there and be able to do
a great job advocating for the people. And then I
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have not come up with a fifth person yet because
there are several options I have, and I wanted to
see more black women representation at the table, so absent
that really this is like my cheating answer. I'm gonna
go with Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson because I do think
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that you need somebody there who's focused on the laws
as they impact people. If Kintanji, if Justice Jackson is
not available, then I offer Ellie Massal. Ellie Mastal covers
the courts Harvard, Harvard Law educated attorney is brilliant. His
wife is even more brilliant. So I feel like whatever
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blind spots he had going in there, it'd be helpful,
uh for him, because we kind of get a black
man and a black woman with her. Now, some of
y'all may be wondering, but you didn't say Angela, because
when I was asking this question last week, I said,
Angela is somebody. I was saying, I know you all
want to go Angela, but I would not send Angela yes,
because we said this president is this president, And I
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don't think Angela or myself, I don't think either of
us have the temperament to sit there and right precisely,
I would take one for the team, I'm gonna tell y'all,
but I would definitely want Angela a part of the discussions, uh,
like you know, the people to prep people before they
go in. I would want want you there. And then
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my alternate, just in case one of these people got sick,
is Congressman Ayana Presley because she's just always down for people.
So that's my list. Those are good names, Andrew. I'm
looking forward to hearing your names on your list.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I know in this I know in this era,
where we're telling people that everybody has their work to do.
I know that you've done your homework, mister mayor, mister.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay was number one on my list because he's so reliable.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Come on, guys, I do my homework. But I told
y'all last week you didn't listen. Probably, I was like,
I'm not so into the names as much as I
am in the uh fabric of the type of.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Ain't no fabric, ain't no name pass me, you're.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Not casting you. You have to do your homework.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I didn't. I didn't concentrate on names.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, then give us the fabric and we're gonna give
you names. And you say that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
You feel a man?
Speaker 7 (07:13):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Here?
Speaker 6 (07:13):
The five are.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
We need a historian, somebody who knows where where we've been,
Eddie Claude.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
I was just saying, you talk about people who are
in the historical.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
You said you can't handle names, So we gave you
one night.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
We need a historian with Michael Harriet is the person
we all right.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
I want a revolutionary.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I want a revolutionary Angela Davis revolutionary.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Okay, a revolutionary. I want the bomb thrower.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I want the person who is going to turn the
table over and and be that in the space the
real quick.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Who is the revolutionary? Angela Davis is.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
But she she doesn't move that way, right, Maxine Waters?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
True? True enough.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I Thinkxice progress from the Jasmine Crocket. That might be.
It's a different place really, Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't
think the infrastructure.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
I think that's the evolutionary is somebody who is probably
as liberated as liberated looks in today's society, which means
that their livelihood, where they're going or where they've been,
is not dependent upon an institution, a politician, any of that.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
That they that they stand pretty resolute and.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The outside of the government and Barry Chambers, maybe he's
the revolutionary.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Maybe he wants to run. Yeah, I'd love to see him.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, maybe Alicia Garza, what are we thinking? Alicia Garza
is the revolutionary? Alicia her I want.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
The grassroots at the table, and I already know that person.
I didn't do the work on it, but yes, I mean,
I want I want the streets to speak at the table.
Natasha Brown, I want somebody who understands the economics of
the country, the economics of our community and large big
picture systems change.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Derek Hamilton might be a good economics person.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
True, the Joint Center.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Michael Harriet, he studied macroeconomics, so he has a lens
into that. Spencer Overton is that does.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
The Joint Center Spencers at the Center.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I was gonna say, does the Joint Center do economics?
I don't know they do.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I've been to a training by them. But and you
know what, there are probably some people within foundations, within
progressive foundations who again the name may not be here
for me right now, but I know our deep thinkers
and are very concentrated on not flashing the pans. But
this change creates long term systemic this right.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And then that's the economist some ason. She wrote a
great and excellent book on black wealth and money building.
So Dorothy Brown, I got your economists for you right there.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Okay, Next, what about John O'Bryant or Robert Smith. He's
not an economist, but he's done so much around macro and.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Micro heathern McGee comes to mind. Yeah, oh yeah, in
this sort of picture, a big systems thinker. But she
she you know, she also understands foundationally the economics that
has frankly created the system that we are existing in today.
And then finally, y'all, and this is probably one of
the more important picks, would be figurehead movement leader, sort
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of big picture movement leader and Jasmine. I know everyone
would probably default to the historic individuals who.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Show up in this category. Rev.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Ben Crump, Jesse Jackson, you know, like these those those
those things that we know are kind of resident in
that space.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I would go for a fresher face. Jazmin sort of.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I know she's a politician as well, but I think
somebody who speaks can get the attention of the people
at every strata of the movement and can activate them
off their word, right, And there are people who have
the ability, who have the power in different places to
make moves. And I'm not sure if I threw this
(11:23):
category out, but I did put in there sort of
your your political person who knows how these sort of
how these puzzle pieces fit together. So that idea won't
work because it's isolated, there's no accountability, it doesn't feedback
into anything. Somebody who can spot that and call it out,
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you know, sort of immediately. And I don't know him
all that terribly well, but I do respect him a
great deal. And that's how King Jeffries as somebody who
you know, ten years in the Congress, was able to
ascend into leadership. And I believe has a big picture
frame to ss to to you know, how how pieces
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fit together, more to work, to work for us. He's kind,
So that's kind of what you might get in this role, right,
somebody who knows where the body's are buried.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Well, we didn't call the e I out, but let
me tell you the thirty places in which this within
this budget where it is right.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, we have other people in that list.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
What do you say, ye did? Listeners?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
The listeners, Let's roll some nick.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
What's up Native Land? I'm Larry and I'm in Dallas.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
My top five leaders are as follows, in no particular order, Tanahase,
cos Corey Bush, number three, Michael Eric Dyson, Stacy Abrams,
and last but not least, Roland Martin. I think with
all five of them at the table, we can get
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to the bottom of issues of reparations, you know, moving
forward with the community as a collective, so on and
so forth. Those are my top five leaders in our community.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
The thing I appreciate about what he said and as
Tip sits in Roland Martin studio. By the way, I
also really appreciate him bringing up Corey Bush. I think
and Andrew, like, I know you can personally relate to this.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I just be emotional about this stuff. But like when.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Our leaders, these people that have like have such favor
on their lives to serve the people in the ways
that you all do, and then you don't win an election,
especially to somebody who you know that you're more qualified than,
have more integrity than, etc. You never want to see
good people that are strong orders and super brilliant and
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to have his great convictions about how to move this
country forward and for the people like you never want
to see them discarded.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So I'm so late, sister, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I just want to say, though, like some of the
people they're saying, like we love Roro, but Roro is
not a policy person, you know, like he is a
journalist there to cover. So I'm sure Roro would love
to be at the table. I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
He's definitely going. He's definitely going.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
He's sitting next to April.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But I know no, Row does not want to be
at the end of the journalism.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Roland wants to tell you, like if he probably would
disagree with you on him not being the police person.
Roland is the camera operator, the sound engineer, the journalist himself,
the key interviewer, the policy person, they resident history and
the voting rights advocate, the charter school's advocate. What if
I missed the black agenda, history, all of it, divine resident,
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divine nine, let you know, and the bule.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I want the bullet. I want him to get the
first exclusive interview with the people who were in the
room and then come out and tell Roland what happened.
I also want Roland to be a part of the
council before they go into the strategy fashion right right, yeah,
but I should have I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Right now, participating the prep team. He's gonna be like,
I'm going, who's seeing my take?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I am going? Ro You know, I am lying? You know,
I am right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I'm the coach and I'm Steph Curry and.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm when I see my little video tape on my
iPhone and ask him what you what you say?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And we post that that's excellent, Like are you going?
Would you be? Would you want the.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Exclusive or would you want to be at the table
roll and be like, hello, want both.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Okay, let's play another one. Let's play another one.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Gets podcast in your recomdition for the leadership, I gotta
I gotta have a women's team and the men's team.
On my women's team, of course, I'm gonna start off
with Tiffany Cross.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
She's gonna do the messaging, organizing events.
Speaker 9 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Gotta have Angela Rod on my political education.
Speaker 9 (16:16):
I would like to bring in Karen Hunter for dissimulating
the dissecting government rules. Of course, Jasmine is my my rookie,
my rising star. Gotta have her on the team and
rounding out my women's I gotta have kept Vany K.
Williams to do my judicial Gotta have my judicial part
of that. On my men's side, of course, I got
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my man Andrew gonna be working doing the social I
got my man name doctor Claude Anderson.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
He's gonna mentor a lot of the leadership.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
I got Wes Moore up and rising leader governor of Maryland.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
I like this guy. I know y'all don't like him.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
I think he would be a good I said to
the team Byron McDonald, I don't like him.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I like Roland Martin from the black Star Network, and
that's it. I appreciate y'all taking my time. Hopefully we'll
see you on Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Wait a minute, you guys, I'm dying. And he said,
I know y'all don't like him. I thought you said
about Wes Moore. Then he said Byron McDonald, and I'm like, oh,
he said about Byron Donald.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Now he Byron McDonald. That's all we're gonna call him.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
That Byron Byron McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I am fascinated by that list because what I think
this kind of brings some attention to is the fact
that uh uh, we still have hold on well why
why are you okay, No, I'm sorry, I was looking.
I thought we had warre But what it brings attention
to is there are people in our community who don't
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see themselves squarely and partisan boxes. I think in some
ways that some of us at times, we don't say.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
We're neatly Democrat.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
We vote Democrat, but that's not really Andrew is a
party person for the most part. I would say, I know,
and I don't understand why we're still there because they
ain't standard bearer your ass back.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
But I've got a majority, it's ours.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well, the point I'm not trying to vote Republican. I'm
just saying I'm not going to fall on the sword
for these efforts. But the point is it's interesting because
there are people in our community that don't hear things
through a partisan lens. They just are like, Okay, this
person offers some good ideas. He said he likes Byron Donald's.
I would like to know why, but I've not I've
not only heard that from him, I've heard that from
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a lot of people who feel like he's an effective communicator,
even if what he's saying is not always true. So
I'm curious to know what you all think about that.
Is there a place for someone who's not as partisan
or independent or conservative at a table in our top five?
And if you had to pick a conservative to go in,
who would your conservative person be?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Can can I just really general?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I'll do that general alive? How about that deader alive?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I like that at our life just really quickly. I
love that question. I don't haven't answered yet. I just
wanted to give some of the because to your point,
there are people off social media who weighed in on
this okay, So Unicorn V said that Nicole Hannah Jones
has to be in the room. Uh. The tenth letter said,
yah seen bay most deaf. I don't know why, but okay,
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I'm not mad at that conscious. So someone said Michelle
Obama that fly fly tip eighty six at Michelle Obama. Uh.
Co Cole Chanel's saying we need to stop looking at
our own community through the lens of oppressors, which I appreciate.
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So she says Oprah would be.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Good a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
We got a lot of Roland Martin, a lot of
President Obama, a lot of Hakeen Jeffries. To your point,
Charles blow came up. Anthony Lebron, said Charles Blow. Oh
speaking to Anthony Lebron, did y'all know that ad got
traded from Lakers? Anyway? We'll pick that up another time.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Who did he get traded for? Tiff, Who do you
get traded from?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You may not have heard of this guy because his
name is funny, but Luca, Luca what he doesn't have
He just goes by Luca. He doesn't go by a
last name. Everybody who did a D get traded to
Tip He is going to Dallas. Very good for Luca
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or Luca just Luca, Don Johnson, Luca, doncon Donkash, Luca,
donkysh is going. So the way we can trade some
of these leaders. So we're gonna talk about conservative leaders.
See how I bring it all back Luca for a
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d Meanwhile, Luca is not black, No.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
He not black.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But yes, so the same way we can trade ad
for Luca, I'm gonna trade out Biran McDonald's that conservative
and bring in general Cole Powell since you said that,
or alive. So that's my yeah, And I'm just saying
that because you say conservative. But honestly, I don't need
a conservative speaking one.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, well, it might not be a bad idea to
get reached Donald Trump. If you have to have somebody
at the table to reach them, man, maybe you start
with a bridge.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Who would you pick? Andrew Gillip?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Well, I don't necessarily think you have to be a
partisan to get Donald Trump's attention. You do have to
demonstrate some sicko fancy for him.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Who could do that?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
What? What is? Uh? I don't know the agenda of
former owner of BT which his.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Name Bob Johnson, Bob John Hale no.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Is he I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, he was, he was, he was he supported Trump
last time. I haven't heard him say anything this time.
And it wasn't during the election, right, it was like
after the election.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I feel like he came around in some way.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
She was.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm bad about Bob Johnson.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Bob Johnson was one of my first clients when I
started my firm. I do not understand, for the life
of me, why he would ever support Donald Trump, because
y'all got real confused.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
If I don't say it this way, I am not
supporting that or thinking it's a good.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Idea, but I just you know, people do interesting things
these days, So you think Bob Johnson should be at
the table.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Andrew, I was trying to think of somebody who Donald
Trump might have something respect for and some familiarity.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Don Peebles might be somebody that.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Was very cool with Donald Trump last go around.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
And he also has you know, he's also sort of
insconsin some ways in black politics. Federal State Logo was.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
The chair of the Congressional Black Haugs Foundation.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Right, So I'm thinking that within that, within that vein,
I don't. I don't really know how supportive or non
supportive they were, but I think that they're the type
that might.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Run in a Trump circle socially.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, I'm torn. I'm torn between two. Actually, not torn.
I'm clear mine is not alive. He was my father's mentor.
There's a great man by the name of doctor Arthur
Fletcher who was the father of affirmative action. And I
think it would be imperative, especially in this moment, for
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Donald Trump to hear from someone who was appointed by
Richard Nixon that, dee, I diversity, equity, inclusion is important
not only for the fabric of this country, but for
its economic viability and for our global standing. And I
think that there's no better advocate for that than the
father of affirmative action himself, doctor Fletcher.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
And he's I wouldn't even insult doctor Fletcher with them people,
I think.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That, uh, well, I think doctor Fletcher would be willing
to do it. I remember my dad telling me that
George H. W. Bush had convinced him to endorse Clarence
Thomas before the Anita Hill stuff and everything came out,
and he said one of his biggest regrets in life
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was ever endorsing Clarence Thomas. And I'm just bringing that
up to say too when I'm thinking about our podcast
from Thursday. You know, at what point do we allow
people to walk back their mistakes, you know, live with
their regrets, but then move forward. I think that there's
a lesson in there, you know, in terms of how
we come back together.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Oh yes, talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well she endorsed Clarence Thomas. At the time, I did
not know that.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yes, yes, our legacy civil rights groups collapsed.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I mean it was Bernie Jordan's is the is the Trump?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Is the Trump whisperer? He's no longer, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I just think he is the type of graph who
understands this whole system well enough. And I think he'd
be listening to all the voices in the room to
find the through line.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
To reach this man's He's very charming in some way. There.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
He's you feel like he hears you and like he
can internalize it translated and put it back out there.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Okay's strength. I got one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
This is when you were saying this, I was thinking
about the streets, like the streets need to be represented.
Y'all might not like it. I might lose my man corner.
But I'm about to tell y'all want there who applies?
Speaker 6 (25:55):
I want you?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You got car I love Cardi Carti. I'm fine with
because Carti to me. Now, I'm about to start a
whole battle people to be mad at me again. I
stay in trouble with these damn rappers. Well listen, let
me just tell you guys this one thing. I actually
would invite Plies onto this show because I got some
questions we need to show. You should come on the show,
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because I want to know why are you talking like that?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And you got a nursing degree.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I want to know why do you move the way
you move and talk about holes the way you be
talking about hose but you got a whole.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Wife at home. I just got questions about why.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Like, you can't be a translator if you're not starting
from a basis and foundation of truth though, And I
think that's it sounds like he's not truthful.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well you know, I mean Tad Plies and have him
come on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Might be some yeah questions because maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I would like to be proven wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
But I feel like there's there are some things that
he's putting on there's some mascot like behaviors that aren't
true to who he is, and I.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Just would like to know will the real plies stand up?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think because I was gonna says.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Have an alter, have an alter ego, have a you.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Know, Aldernon, I think Algernon.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
But I'm not gonna put him in the jail hospital
that what I love. Man in jail, I think, no,
that's not you know me whole friend. Yes, So what
I want to say is he can come out to
penalty box because I think he translates.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Very similar to Cardi, b very direct.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Honest, a little in the gutter with it, information that
people I think, but for their communicating to them, would
not follow it.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Otherwise, I tell you what, I'm gonna pull some clips
of him saying something and somebody else saying something before him,
and it being very similar, very plagiarism like and I So,
I just that's my one thing with Cardi. I feel
like it's different because she's speaking to her actual authentic experience. Again,
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I'm down to be proven wrong, but I just feel
like it's a little mascottish.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, okay, I like I would love to hear from flies.
I think Plies has a great way to communicating and
has given sound. And I like Party too because I
think CARTI she's very knowledgeable on President for one, which
I appreciate. She always knows what she's talking about, and
she does have, I think, respectfully, a very gutter way
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of communicating.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Sometimes that that speaks to a lot of people. And
I also think it is the amidexterity of our kind, uh,
that we can show up in different ways and be
different kind of people. We can be who we need
to be when we need to be it. Y'all, y'all
Bible kids, the Bible that I am, that I am,
That means I'm who I need to be. Well that
(28:58):
that that is the Lord talk. But I'm just I'm
just saying. I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
For the God, his image and likeness. She wasn't trying
to be.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
But my point is, like this conversation, Yeah, I like
it too, So what's what is this? Because the last time.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
We show up that way, so long as it's in
service to us, But what is the conversation that adjustment
because he it's in service to to what he's trying
to do.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
We got to wrap this conversation but we were getting
into another one, So what is the conversation that you
because I like where we were going to have it
as another mini pod.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Yeah, I feel like it's just.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It feels like today's theme overall, like in all the recordings,
is about like knowing what to do and then playing
your position, And I just think whatever that is like
being in your most most authentic truth, living true to mission,
and not trying to envy somebody else, like oh it
looks cooler over there, let me go over there and
do that. Like You've talked about this a lot, Tiff
and Andrew, you too about you know, entertainers have a role.
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They historically have had a role in the civil rights
movement even before that, in ensuring that our issues are heard,
demands are med, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But they're still entertainers.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And so at the end of the day, who are
our policy folks, our think tank leaders? Civil rights leaders
are elected officials that are playing their position that we
know we can go to. And I think those and
and influencers are also different that can spread a message
that has already been established.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Those roles are starting.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
To become muddled, and I think we should unmuddy the
water for clarity's sake, so that we can keep moving
in a way that is beneficial and and and and
helpfully helps black people seal the victory.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Which is why I would like politicians to stop trying
to be celebrities.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
That's another to do. So we got we have the
minipie on slang and different words andicon uh that that
exists in different regions among black folks. Now we have
one on play your position, which I like. I thought
you were going in the more abstract when you said
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I like this conversation because there's something there. We need
to flesh it out more. But something like how you
show up, like the different ways you show up?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
You know, what does it mean to be authentical?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I like that. Okay, so those three.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Gets to be the judge of that, well, you and yourself.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think that's the point, right.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
If I am showing up in a space in a
particular way, I'm not doing it because I think it's
going to not be a good representative self. I'm doing
it because I think at this time, and in this
place and in this way, me showing up this way
is in service to what I'm trying to accomplish for
either us the people, or for myself. And I'm not
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talking about me. I'm just saying I was thinking about
some of what you were saying about how some of
us show up, some of us look like freaking cartoon
characters in some places in some way, and then you
want to loot back around and say something that you
know is stimulating to me, and I should take you
as a real opinion leader.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
It's just it's like it's that's the podcast. It's like
Jamie Fox going from comedian to singer. Like I couldn't
listen to his first you know album.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
My favorite? Can I say it's my favorite period?
Speaker 10 (32:21):
I bumped watch his special to get over the fact
that he was you know, the fire Chief and Living
Color and.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
He was not.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Carry he was one You guys, go to Homie. The
clowns even know the man. Try to keep him down.
One day Homie will.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Native Lamb Pod? Hey, Angela, Hey, Andrew, Hey Tiffany. My
name is Jessica and I'm sending this video to you
from Houston, Texas. I love Monday's mini pod on who
are our Black Leaders? How I looked at it as
your basketball basketball team. You have your coach, you're starting
five and a six man. So for a coach, you
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have to have Revend Now Sharpton, You're starting five, My
good Sores, Jasmine Crockett, Katanji Brown Jackson. Then we have
Gary Chambers, Justin Pearson, Bacari Sellers, and for the sixth man,
I felt like we needed to have someone in the media,
(00:50):
So I was going back and forth between joe An Reed,
Roland Martin or Don Lemon. But I'm a schoose Joy
and Reed and the Sore. So that is who I
think could our leaders be. And I really love the
idea of having more than one leader because everybody has
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strengths in different areas and can reach different demographics generations.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So yeah, welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
This is our mini pod where we gonna go back
to old school hip hop days with a top five,
but instead of it applying to hip hop, it applies
to black leadership in this country, which we desperately need,
especially in the trying times that we're in right now.
So I feel like I fulfilled my assignment. Last week
we just code opened with Jessica, who did not honor the assignment.
(01:41):
She didn't like me and have more than five. She
was like, well, you need a coach, and you also
need a six nan and while I'm at it, let
me just throw these other names in here that I
didn't decide on.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So I'm gonna have a full ten deep squad.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
But to that point, to the rest of the people
on this squad, my co host Andrew Gillom and Tiffany Cross,
who are in your top five.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, I'm going first Andrew because you are okay, So
my I want to be clear, this list is for
people who are going into the White House to sit
at the negotiation table on behalf of black folks. It's
not personalities, but it's people with like policy areas of
(02:24):
expertise that I think would benefit black folks. So my
first nominee drum roll is mister Andrew Gillham.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And I will say why, Andrew. I'm saying you because
and I thought about this because I know a few
people who you know, worked in politics and policy at
different levels. But I think you are the most audacious
in your policy outlook and plans, the most insightful, like
(02:54):
you have a wide breath of knowledge historically presently and
also for cast thing what can happen. You've worked at
the local level, the state level, and I think that
is a key interest to black folks. That's where a
lot of policy happens. You are below the Mason Dixon line.
(03:16):
You're in the South, yes, yes, which I think can
you know has the ability to remake the American electoral map.
So Andrew, I want you at a table next Latasha Brown.
I think Latasha is a great organizer and just has
such a bleeding heart for the people. So I think
she would be gracious enough to see blind spots and
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be able to course correct where something should should be.
This will maybe a little controversial for y'all, but I
would also have President Barack Obama at a table. The
reason being is because he has been in the position
before and has a wide scope and understanding of what
happens at the federal level that we may not even know,
(04:01):
the information that we're not privy to, So I think
he would have a unique lens in that space and
be able to guide some parts of the discussion. Then
I would have Revend Barber, because I think Reverend William Barber,
who leads the Poor People's Campaign, I think he would
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be focused on the bottom percentage, the working class people,
but also people who are just impoverished across the country.
And he is just a good kind person. I think
he would be in there and be able to do
a great job advocating for the people. And then I
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have not come up with a fifth person yet because
there are several options I have, and I wanted to
see more black women representation at the table, so absent
that really this is like my cheating answer. I'm gonna
go with Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson because I do think
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that you need somebody there who's focused on the laws
as they impact people. If Kintanji, if Justice Jackson is
not available, then I offer Ellie Massal. Ellie Mastal covers
the courts Harvard, Harvard Law educated attorney is brilliant. His
wife is even more brilliant. So I feel like whatever
(05:26):
blind spots he had going in there, it'd be helpful,
uh for him, because we kind of get a black
man and a black woman with her. Now, some of
y'all may be wondering, but you didn't say Angela, because
when I was asking this question last week, I said,
Angela is somebody. I was saying, I know you all
want to go Angela, but I would not send Angela yes,
because we said this president is this president, And I
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don't think Angela or myself, I don't think either of
us have the temperament to sit there and right precisely,
I would take one for the team, I'm gonna tell y'all,
but I would definitely want Angela a part of the discussions, uh,
like you know, the people to prep people before they
go in. I would want want you there. And then
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my alternate, just in case one of these people got sick,
is Congressman Ayana Presley because she's just always down for people.
So that's my list. Those are good names, Andrew. I'm
looking forward to hearing your names on your list.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And I know in this I know in this era,
where we're telling people that everybody has their work to do.
I know that you've done your homework, mister mayor, mister.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Okay was number one on my list because he's so reliable.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Come on, guys, I do my homework. But I told
y'all last week you didn't listen. Probably, I was like,
I'm not so into the names as much as I
am in the uh fabric of the type of.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Ain't no fabric, ain't no name pass me, you're.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Not casting you. You have to do your homework.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I didn't. I didn't concentrate on names.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Okay, then give us the fabric and we're gonna give
you names. And you say that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 6 (07:12):
You feel a man?
Speaker 7 (07:13):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Here?
Speaker 6 (07:13):
The five are.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
We need a historian, somebody who knows where where we've been,
Eddie Claude.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
I was just saying, you talk about people who are
in the historical.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
You said you can't handle names, So we gave you
one night.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
We need a historian with Michael Harriet is the person
we all right.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
I want a revolutionary.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
I want a revolutionary Angela Davis revolutionary.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Okay, a revolutionary. I want the bomb thrower.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I want the person who is going to turn the
table over and and be that in the space the
real quick.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Who is the revolutionary? Angela Davis is.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
But she she doesn't move that way, right, Maxine Waters?
Speaker 6 (08:00):
True? True enough.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I Thinkxice progress from the Jasmine Crocket. That might be.
It's a different place really, Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't
think the infrastructure.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
I think that's the evolutionary is somebody who is probably
as liberated as liberated looks in today's society, which means
that their livelihood, where they're going or where they've been,
is not dependent upon an institution, a politician, any of that.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
That they that they stand pretty resolute and.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The outside of the government and Barry Chambers, maybe he's
the revolutionary.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Maybe he wants to run. Yeah, I'd love to see him.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Okay, maybe Alicia Garza, what are we thinking? Alicia Garza
is the revolutionary? Alicia her I want.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
The grassroots at the table, and I already know that person.
I didn't do the work on it, but yes, I mean,
I want I want the streets to speak at the table.
Natasha Brown, I want somebody who understands the economics of
the country, the economics of our community and large big
picture systems change.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Derek Hamilton might be a good economics person.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
True, the Joint Center.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Michael Harriet, he studied macroeconomics, so he has a lens
into that. Spencer Overton is that does.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
The Joint Center Spencers at the Center.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I was gonna say, does the Joint Center do economics?
I don't know they do.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I've been to a training by them. But and you
know what, there are probably some people within foundations, within
progressive foundations who again the name may not be here
for me right now, but I know our deep thinkers
and are very concentrated on not flashing the pans. But
this change creates long term systemic this right.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And then that's the economist some ason. She wrote a
great and excellent book on black wealth and money building.
So Dorothy Brown, I got your economists for you right there.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Okay, Next, what about John O'Bryant or Robert Smith. He's
not an economist, but he's done so much around macro and.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Micro heathern McGee comes to mind. Yeah, oh yeah, in
this sort of picture, a big systems thinker. But she
she you know, she also understands foundationally the economics that
has frankly created the system that we are existing in today.
And then finally, y'all, and this is probably one of
the more important picks, would be figurehead movement leader, sort
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of big picture movement leader and Jasmine. I know everyone
would probably default to the historic individuals who.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
Show up in this category. Rev.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Ben Crump, Jesse Jackson, you know, like these those those
those things that we know are kind of resident in
that space.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
I would go for a fresher face. Jazmin sort of.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I know she's a politician as well, but I think
somebody who speaks can get the attention of the people
at every strata of the movement and can activate them
off their word, right, And there are people who have
the ability, who have the power in different places to
make moves. And I'm not sure if I threw this
(11:23):
category out, but I did put in there sort of
your your political person who knows how these sort of
how these puzzle pieces fit together. So that idea won't
work because it's isolated, there's no accountability, it doesn't feedback
into anything. Somebody who can spot that and call it out,
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you know, sort of immediately. And I don't know him
all that terribly well, but I do respect him a
great deal. And that's how King Jeffries as somebody who
you know, ten years in the Congress, was able to
ascend into leadership. And I believe has a big picture
frame to ss to to you know, how how pieces
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fit together, more to work, to work for us. He's kind,
So that's kind of what you might get in this role, right,
somebody who knows where the body's are buried.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Well, we didn't call the e I out, but let
me tell you the thirty places in which this within
this budget where it is right.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, we have other people in that list.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
What do you say, ye did? Listeners?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
The listeners, Let's roll some nick.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
What's up Native Land? I'm Larry and I'm in Dallas.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
My top five leaders are as follows, in no particular order, Tanahase,
cos Corey Bush, number three, Michael Eric Dyson, Stacy Abrams,
and last but not least, Roland Martin. I think with
all five of them at the table, we can get
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to the bottom of issues of reparations, you know, moving
forward with the community as a collective, so on and
so forth. Those are my top five leaders in our community.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
The thing I appreciate about what he said and as
Tip sits in Roland Martin studio. By the way, I
also really appreciate him bringing up Corey Bush. I think
and Andrew, like, I know you can personally relate to this.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I just be emotional about this stuff. But like when.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Our leaders, these people that have like have such favor
on their lives to serve the people in the ways
that you all do, and then you don't win an election,
especially to somebody who you know that you're more qualified than,
have more integrity than, etc. You never want to see
good people that are strong orders and super brilliant and
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to have his great convictions about how to move this
country forward and for the people like you never want
to see them discarded.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So I'm so late, sister, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I just want to say, though, like some of the
people they're saying, like we love Roro, but Roro is
not a policy person, you know, like he is a
journalist there to cover. So I'm sure Roro would love
to be at the table. I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
He's definitely going. He's definitely going.
Speaker 6 (14:30):
He's sitting next to April.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But I know no, Row does not want to be
at the end of the journalism.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Roland wants to tell you, like if he probably would
disagree with you on him not being the police person.
Roland is the camera operator, the sound engineer, the journalist himself,
the key interviewer, the policy person, they resident history and
the voting rights advocate, the charter school's advocate. What if
I missed the black agenda, history, all of it, divine resident,
(15:00):
divine nine, let you know, and the bule.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I want the bullet. I want him to get the
first exclusive interview with the people who were in the
room and then come out and tell Roland what happened.
I also want Roland to be a part of the
council before they go into the strategy fashion right right, yeah,
but I should have I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Right now, participating the prep team. He's gonna be like,
I'm going, who's seeing my take?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I am going? Ro You know, I am lying? You know,
I am right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I'm the coach and I'm Steph Curry and.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm when I see my little video tape on my
iPhone and ask him what you what you say?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And we post that that's excellent, Like are you going?
Would you be? Would you want the.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Exclusive or would you want to be at the table
roll and be like, hello, want both.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
Okay, let's play another one. Let's play another one.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Gets podcast in your recomdition for the leadership, I gotta
I gotta have a women's team and the men's team.
On my women's team, of course, I'm gonna start off
with Tiffany Cross.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
She's gonna do the messaging, organizing events.
Speaker 9 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Gotta have Angela Rod on my political education.
Speaker 9 (16:16):
I would like to bring in Karen Hunter for dissimulating
the dissecting government rules. Of course, Jasmine is my my rookie,
my rising star. Gotta have her on the team and
rounding out my women's I gotta have kept Vany K.
Williams to do my judicial Gotta have my judicial part
of that. On my men's side, of course, I got
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my man Andrew gonna be working doing the social I
got my man name doctor Claude Anderson.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
He's gonna mentor a lot of the leadership.
Speaker 9 (16:47):
I got Wes Moore up and rising leader governor of Maryland.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
I like this guy. I know y'all don't like him.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
I think he would be a good I said to
the team Byron McDonald, I don't like him.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I like Roland Martin from the black Star Network, and
that's it. I appreciate y'all taking my time. Hopefully we'll
see you on Thursdays.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Wait a minute, you guys, I'm dying. And he said,
I know y'all don't like him. I thought you said
about Wes Moore. Then he said Byron McDonald, and I'm like, oh,
he said about Byron Donald.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Now he Byron McDonald. That's all we're gonna call him.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
That Byron Byron McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I am fascinated by that list because what I think
this kind of brings some attention to is the fact
that uh uh, we still have hold on well why
why are you okay, No, I'm sorry, I was looking.
I thought we had warre But what it brings attention
to is there are people in our community who don't
(17:48):
see themselves squarely and partisan boxes. I think in some
ways that some of us at times, we don't say.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
We're neatly Democrat.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
We vote Democrat, but that's not really Andrew is a
party person for the most part. I would say, I know,
and I don't understand why we're still there because they
ain't standard bearer your ass back.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
But I've got a majority, it's ours.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well, the point I'm not trying to vote Republican. I'm
just saying I'm not going to fall on the sword
for these efforts. But the point is it's interesting because
there are people in our community that don't hear things
through a partisan lens. They just are like, Okay, this
person offers some good ideas. He said he likes Byron Donald's.
I would like to know why, but I've not I've
not only heard that from him, I've heard that from
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a lot of people who feel like he's an effective communicator,
even if what he's saying is not always true. So
I'm curious to know what you all think about that.
Is there a place for someone who's not as partisan
or independent or conservative at a table in our top five?
And if you had to pick a conservative to go in,
who would your conservative person be?
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Well?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Can can I just really general?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I'll do that general alive? How about that deader alive?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I like that at our life just really quickly. I
love that question. I don't haven't answered yet. I just
wanted to give some of the because to your point,
there are people off social media who weighed in on
this okay, So Unicorn V said that Nicole Hannah Jones
has to be in the room. Uh. The tenth letter said,
yah seen bay most deaf. I don't know why, but okay,
(19:22):
I'm not mad at that conscious. So someone said Michelle
Obama that fly fly tip eighty six at Michelle Obama. Uh.
Co Cole Chanel's saying we need to stop looking at
our own community through the lens of oppressors, which I appreciate.
(19:45):
So she says Oprah would be.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Good a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
We got a lot of Roland Martin, a lot of
President Obama, a lot of Hakeen Jeffries. To your point,
Charles blow came up. Anthony Lebron, said Charles Blow. Oh
speaking to Anthony Lebron, did y'all know that ad got
traded from Lakers? Anyway? We'll pick that up another time.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Who did he get traded for? Tiff, Who do you
get traded from?
Speaker 1 (20:13):
You may not have heard of this guy because his
name is funny, but Luca, Luca what he doesn't have
He just goes by Luca. He doesn't go by a
last name. Everybody who did a D get traded to
Tip He is going to Dallas. Very good for Luca
(20:33):
or Luca just Luca, Don Johnson, Luca, doncon Donkash, Luca,
donkysh is going. So the way we can trade some
of these leaders. So we're gonna talk about conservative leaders.
See how I bring it all back Luca for a
(20:56):
d Meanwhile, Luca is not black, No.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
He not black.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But yes, so the same way we can trade ad
for Luca, I'm gonna trade out Biran McDonald's that conservative
and bring in general Cole Powell since you said that,
or alive. So that's my yeah, And I'm just saying
that because you say conservative. But honestly, I don't need
a conservative speaking one.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, well, it might not be a bad idea to
get reached Donald Trump. If you have to have somebody
at the table to reach them, man, maybe you start
with a bridge.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Who would you pick? Andrew Gillip?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Well, I don't necessarily think you have to be a
partisan to get Donald Trump's attention. You do have to
demonstrate some sicko fancy for him.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Who could do that?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
What? What is? Uh? I don't know the agenda of
former owner of BT which his.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Name Bob Johnson, Bob John Hale no.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Is he I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, he was, he was, he was he supported Trump
last time. I haven't heard him say anything this time.
And it wasn't during the election, right, it was like
after the election.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I feel like he came around in some way.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
She was.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm bad about Bob Johnson.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Bob Johnson was one of my first clients when I
started my firm. I do not understand, for the life
of me, why he would ever support Donald Trump, because
y'all got real confused.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
If I don't say it this way, I am not
supporting that or thinking it's a good.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Idea, but I just you know, people do interesting things
these days, So you think Bob Johnson should be at
the table.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Andrew, I was trying to think of somebody who Donald
Trump might have something respect for and some familiarity.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Don Peebles might be somebody that.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Was very cool with Donald Trump last go around.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
And he also has you know, he's also sort of
insconsin some ways in black politics. Federal State Logo was.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
The chair of the Congressional Black Haugs Foundation.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Right, So I'm thinking that within that, within that vein,
I don't. I don't really know how supportive or non
supportive they were, but I think that they're the type
that might.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Run in a Trump circle socially.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, I'm torn. I'm torn between two. Actually, not torn.
I'm clear mine is not alive. He was my father's mentor.
There's a great man by the name of doctor Arthur
Fletcher who was the father of affirmative action. And I
think it would be imperative, especially in this moment, for
(23:44):
Donald Trump to hear from someone who was appointed by
Richard Nixon that, dee, I diversity, equity, inclusion is important
not only for the fabric of this country, but for
its economic viability and for our global standing. And I
think that there's no better advocate for that than the
father of affirmative action himself, doctor Fletcher.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
And he's I wouldn't even insult doctor Fletcher with them people,
I think.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That, uh, well, I think doctor Fletcher would be willing
to do it. I remember my dad telling me that
George H. W. Bush had convinced him to endorse Clarence
Thomas before the Anita Hill stuff and everything came out,
and he said one of his biggest regrets in life
(24:31):
was ever endorsing Clarence Thomas. And I'm just bringing that
up to say too when I'm thinking about our podcast
from Thursday. You know, at what point do we allow
people to walk back their mistakes, you know, live with
their regrets, but then move forward. I think that there's
a lesson in there, you know, in terms of how
we come back together.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Oh yes, talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Well she endorsed Clarence Thomas. At the time, I did
not know that.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yes, yes, our legacy civil rights groups collapsed.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
I mean it was Bernie Jordan's is the is the Trump?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Is the Trump whisperer? He's no longer, you know.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
I just think he is the type of graph who
understands this whole system well enough. And I think he'd
be listening to all the voices in the room to
find the through line.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
To reach this man's He's very charming in some way. There.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
He's you feel like he hears you and like he
can internalize it translated and put it back out there.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Okay's strength. I got one.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
This is when you were saying this, I was thinking
about the streets, like the streets need to be represented.
Y'all might not like it. I might lose my man corner.
But I'm about to tell y'all want there who applies?
Speaker 6 (25:55):
I want you?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You got car I love Cardi Carti. I'm fine with
because Carti to me. Now, I'm about to start a
whole battle people to be mad at me again. I
stay in trouble with these damn rappers. Well listen, let
me just tell you guys this one thing. I actually
would invite Plies onto this show because I got some
questions we need to show. You should come on the show,
(26:17):
because I want to know why are you talking like that?
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And you got a nursing degree.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I want to know why do you move the way
you move and talk about holes the way you be
talking about hose but you got a whole.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Wife at home. I just got questions about why.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Like, you can't be a translator if you're not starting
from a basis and foundation of truth though, And I
think that's it sounds like he's not truthful.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Well you know, I mean Tad Plies and have him
come on the show.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Might be some yeah questions because maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I would like to be proven wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
But I feel like there's there are some things that
he's putting on there's some mascot like behaviors that aren't
true to who he is, and I.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Just would like to know will the real plies stand up?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think because I was gonna says.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
Have an alter, have an alter ego, have a you.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Know, Aldernon, I think Algernon.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
But I'm not gonna put him in the jail hospital
that what I love. Man in jail, I think, no,
that's not you know me whole friend. Yes, So what
I want to say is he can come out to
penalty box because I think he translates.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
Very similar to Cardi, b very direct.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Honest, a little in the gutter with it, information that
people I think, but for their communicating to them, would
not follow it.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Otherwise, I tell you what, I'm gonna pull some clips
of him saying something and somebody else saying something before him,
and it being very similar, very plagiarism like and I So,
I just that's my one thing with Cardi. I feel
like it's different because she's speaking to her actual authentic experience. Again,
(28:06):
I'm down to be proven wrong, but I just feel
like it's a little mascottish.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, okay, I like I would love to hear from flies.
I think Plies has a great way to communicating and
has given sound. And I like Party too because I
think CARTI she's very knowledgeable on President for one, which
I appreciate. She always knows what she's talking about, and
she does have, I think, respectfully, a very gutter way
(28:33):
of communicating.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Sometimes that that speaks to a lot of people. And
I also think it is the amidexterity of our kind, uh,
that we can show up in different ways and be
different kind of people. We can be who we need
to be when we need to be it. Y'all, y'all
Bible kids, the Bible that I am, that I am,
That means I'm who I need to be. Well that
(28:58):
that that is the Lord talk. But I'm just I'm
just saying. I'm just saying.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
For the God, his image and likeness. She wasn't trying
to be.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
But my point is, like this conversation, Yeah, I like
it too, So what's what is this? Because the last time.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
We show up that way, so long as it's in
service to us, But what is the conversation that adjustment
because he it's in service to to what he's trying
to do.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
We got to wrap this conversation but we were getting
into another one, So what is the conversation that you
because I like where we were going to have it
as another mini pod.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Yeah, I feel like it's just.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It feels like today's theme overall, like in all the recordings,
is about like knowing what to do and then playing
your position, And I just think whatever that is like
being in your most most authentic truth, living true to mission,
and not trying to envy somebody else, like oh it
looks cooler over there, let me go over there and
do that. Like You've talked about this a lot, Tiff
and Andrew, you too about you know, entertainers have a role.
(30:01):
They historically have had a role in the civil rights
movement even before that, in ensuring that our issues are heard,
demands are med, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But they're still entertainers.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And so at the end of the day, who are
our policy folks, our think tank leaders? Civil rights leaders
are elected officials that are playing their position that we
know we can go to. And I think those and
and influencers are also different that can spread a message
that has already been established.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Those roles are starting.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
To become muddled, and I think we should unmuddy the
water for clarity's sake, so that we can keep moving
in a way that is beneficial and and and and
helpfully helps black people seal the victory.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Which is why I would like politicians to stop trying
to be celebrities.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
That's another to do. So we got we have the
minipie on slang and different words andicon uh that that
exists in different regions among black folks. Now we have
one on play your position, which I like. I thought
you were going in the more abstract when you said
(31:09):
I like this conversation because there's something there. We need
to flesh it out more. But something like how you
show up, like the different ways you show up?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
You know, what does it mean to be authentical?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I like that. Okay, so those three.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Gets to be the judge of that, well, you and yourself.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I think that's the point, right.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
If I am showing up in a space in a
particular way, I'm not doing it because I think it's
going to not be a good representative self. I'm doing
it because I think at this time, and in this
place and in this way, me showing up this way
is in service to what I'm trying to accomplish for
either us the people, or for myself. And I'm not
(31:50):
talking about me. I'm just saying I was thinking about
some of what you were saying about how some of
us show up, some of us look like freaking cartoon
characters in some places in some way, and then you
want to loot back around and say something that you
know is stimulating to me, and I should take you
as a real opinion leader.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
It's just it's like it's that's the podcast. It's like
Jamie Fox going from comedian to singer. Like I couldn't
listen to his first you know album.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
My favorite? Can I say it's my favorite period?
Speaker 10 (32:21):
I bumped watch his special to get over the fact
that he was you know, the fire Chief and Living
Color and.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
He was not.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Carry he was one You guys, go to Homie. The
clowns even know the man. Try to keep him down.
One day Homie will.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Use We gotta go. So thank you guys for tuning
in this mini pod. We have a lot. We got
a lot of mini pods left. So remember we drove
minipod Drop every Monday. Tell your friends to watch every
single Monday. Listen. You can find us on YouTube. You
can listen to anywhere you get your podcasts. Thank you
so much. We are your hosts, Angela I, Andrew Galam
and I'm Tiffany Cross. Welcome home, y'all.
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