October 14, 2025 • 30 mins
On this week’s SoloPod, Angela Rye breaks down the charges against New York’s Attorney General Letitia “Tish” James, and connects them to a larger pattern of powerful Black women being unjustly prosecuted.
SPEAKING OF DISRESPECT TO BLACK WOMEN, our NLP hosts called out Stephen A Smith last week for his comments disparaging Congresswomen Jasmine Crocket over her lack of “civility.” Stephen accused his critics, including our hosts, of attacking him without substance. Sir, these attacks have substance, and we are happy to explain.
The Trump Justice Department has charged Letitia James with mortgage fraud, the same charge they’ve brought against Lisa Cook and other “enemies” of Trump. As New York AG, Letitia James successfully prosecuted the Trump family for financial crimes back in 2022 by showing proof that Trump over-inflated his net worth for tax and insurance benefits.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay, everyone, welcome home. Welcome home, y'all. As we normally say,
this is a very very serious day. There's we're having
on those every single day in a very serious and
treacherous time. I want to open today's show with a
very important historical clip because I think it provides context
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for where we are. Let's roll.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's disrespected person in America is the black woman. The
most unprotected woman A person in America is the black woman.
The most neglected person in America is the black woman. Say,
if the white man will do whatever is necessary to
see that his woman gets respect and protection, then you
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and I will never be recognized as men until we
stand up like men.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And that is just it. What is required of men
in this hour to stand up for the most disrespected
person in America. And so I think where we have
to really begin today is, uh, you know this question.
I saw I was flagged earlier that Stephen A. Smith
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put our podcast on his talking about where we discussed
his critique of Jasmine Crockett Congressman Jasmine Crockett and I'm
this special episode of his podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
He says, can we be grown ups and deal with
what the real issue is involving what I said?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Willie d.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Roland, Martin Bakari.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Sellers and Angela Rai, who I have profound respect for.
How's it disrespectful to say what I said? Could you
just disagree?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Could we just say, yo, I disagree with you. Here's
why he resents the fact that people challenged his critique
of Jasmine as disrespectful. It sounded like he resented the
fact that people fought his challenge sounded in some way misogynistic.
And so where that leaves us is trying to understand
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why there may be a road where we are missing
each other, where the positions are not quite aligned. And
so where I want to lean in is first on facts.
When Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett was just on with us just
weeks ago prior to the government shutdown, right before that vote,
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Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett talked about having to go in special
entrances when she's going to public events, having to go
get fitted for a bullet proof vest I talked about
that on our main episode this week, and I want
to draw your attention back to it because of what
Malcolm X told us, which is the black woman is
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the most unprotected person in America. So to me, if
someone is getting death threats, if someone is championing the
voices of the people, those who can't say the thing
that needs to be said, one of the things that
you all said to me often when I saw you
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like I love seeing you on CNN, or I love
seeing you on MSNBC, or I love seeing you on
Native Lampard, you speak for me and win these voices,
not just mine, not just Jasmines, but Joy and Tiff
and Sonny and Aaron Haynes and Britney Pagnett Cunningham and
Jamel and Carrie. When those voices raise up and they
speak on behalf of someone who feels marginalized, unheard, and invisible,
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those become the voices that we seek to for comfort
because they're saying something in spaces where we've not been
invited to or have not been allowed to speak our truth.
Nine times out of ten black women sit in spaces
in corporate America where their voices cannot speak truth to
power because they could risk losing their jobs. Nine times
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out of ten, when black women are hired to work
for the federal government or the state government, or county
or local government in some other form, they cannot use
their voices to speak truth to power for the risk
of losing their jobs. That's something that we know to
be true. Yet every now and then someone decides that
their truth being spoken is so important that it is
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worth risking the opportunity and perhaps even risking their lives.
And that's where we find ourselves now. Like there are
black women who are saying, I'll catch the case, or
i will catch the heat, or I'll deal with the punishment.
It don't mean that I won't be in a leadership position,
Jasmine Crockett, Right, It'll mean that I might get demoted.
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But my truth deserves to have a platform because our
lives are on the line. So when you're dealing with
when your opponent is someone who will say low IQ
such and such, which is how Y'all's commander in chief,
Y'all's president chooses to address not just black women but
black people, you have an obligation to continue to speak
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truth to power even when he basically is calling you dumb.
And that is something that we don't take lightly. It's
something that we commended, something that we deem as courageous.
And that is why Jasmine Crockett's approval numbers right now,
rival only Barack Obama's at his height. It's because she's
speaking truth to power. Now, there are some things that
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I wish my dear sister didn't say. I wish you
didn't call the commander chief out of his name. I
call him y'all's president. But I understand that as a tactic,
and more than y'all agree with her than you agree
with me. And I understand because we're watching this man
terrorize the country, and she is one of the lone
soldiers who continues to speak up and say what is
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wrong to call a thing a thing. This is not
some random hood rat check as someone have you to
believe on their platforms using language that is not only
dangerous but involves racist troopes. This is someone who has
a law degree. She's a former civil rights attorney. This
is someone who was a state representative. This is someone
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who in Texas looked for folks to hold the line.
Last time folks needed to leave the state to ensure
that the Texas Republicans did not pass legislation that was
antithetical to our interests. She is that person. She is
that person. She is the one who is introducing legislation
to ensure that our needs are protected. She has introduced
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several bills in Congress. One that I regularly tell that
I'm so proud of her for doing is called the
clear id Act. The clear id Act would hold to
account the law and horsemen that are going into our
communities right now, terrorizing our citizens, and they're doing it masked.
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There was a time where this country honored legislation that
was passed a force the ku Kluks plan to identify
themselves now, right in time for this terroristic activity under
the guise of the state of under the guys of
state sanctioned violence. Really, they're now able to be masked again.
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So that is what we're up against. So again, Jasmine
Crockett is a sitting member of Congress. She is one
that does not just speak about her work, but she
is regularly booked because she cuts through, because she speaks
for people who have been marginalized and left out, because
she is a fighter for those who don't have any
fight left in them. She is someone who not only
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speaks on air when invited, she also goes to committee
hearings and tors and she provides amendments to bills. She
introduces those amendments, she argues them in committee markups. Committee
mark ups is where legislation goes to be negotiated and
amended before it goes to the House floor. She does
that work. We watch her do that work. That work
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also goes viral. She does it in committee hearings where
she's challenging the nonsense that disputes her across from a
witness table where people have been sworn under oath, Jasmine
holds them accountable too. So I resent the fact that
she's being talked about as someone who's just showing up
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for a show. This is someone who is working very
hard to get the needs of the American people's interests
met and those of her district. And now, speaking of
her district, did you know that the Republican State Legislature
created a district map for Jasmine Crockett's district where they
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carved her house where she resides out of her district.
Does that sound like a group of people who want
to work with her? Would you work with someone who
is calling you out of your name and calling you
low IQ. Would you work with someone who has people
in the House of Representatives who are making fun of
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your appearance in Congress? That is actually how we got
to beach blonde, bad built, butch body, because bleach bond blonde.
I can't even say it without messing up the allt
to Bees talked about her eyelashes first in a congressional
hearing oversighting government reform. Look it up, right, So I
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just want us to be very clear about the challenges
ahead and the fact that, yes, the most disrespected and
unprotected person in this country is the black woman. And
so pardon me for having X right that a black
man would protect a black woman at least, I mean
that's how things used to be. But pardon me for
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expecting that right? Like, how dare I expect that I
expect that you know that what Republicans few on Fox
News and in all of their rags would not be
the facts. I would expect that you would know that
just because a black woman is tried and gone after
and pursued and maybe even hunted down, like it's been
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said sixteen nineteen, that maybe that's not all the facts.
So I'm going to turn your attention to another disrespected
black woman. Her name is Fannie Willis. Fannie Willis is
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currently trying is in the fight of her life for
just saying to the American people, listen, Donald Trump and
gay an election interference, charged him as such. Then it
became that her character was on the line. Now the
Department of Justice Donald Trump Donald Trump's Department of Justice
issued a subpoena for records related to Fannie Wallace's travel history.
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If this is not selective prosecution, you all should know
this from watching our podcast when Marilyn Mosby was targeted
through selective and malicious prosecution, means, I don't know what
is this is textbook. This is someone who he sees
as a political adversary, someone who he sees as someone
who targeted him, even if the target was rooted in
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a factual challenge of a clear violation of the law.
This is someone who he has made out to be
a political enemy. Right, It's not just we don't just
end with Jasmine Crockett and as jd Vance just went
after Joy read just a week or so ago, We're
gonna have to in there or with Fannie Willis. Let
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me turn your attention to Lisa Cook. Lisa Cook, the
first black woman to ever serve on the Board of
Governors for their Federal Reserve. Oh, she was targeted because
a black woman has a nerve to buy a house
and child, not just one. She has the nerve to
to one, to have two. She had the nerve to
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want to have multiple properties, having done all of this
with her career, wanted to have multiple properties. And so
they go with the solution in search of a problem
to try to target Lisa Cook because Lisa Cook hasn't
been a rubber stamp for Donald Trump, right, so they
go after Lisa Cook. And right now, the only thing
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keeping Lisa Cook at her job is the fact that
the Supreme Court blocked Donald Trump's attempt to fire her,
which he does not have the authority to do. And
now they are just temporarily blocking it. And they plan
to hear care or arguments in the case involving the
unlawful firing of Lisa Cook in January. So she's got
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a temporary reprieve. We don't know how long the Supreme
Court is gonna act, right, come on, y'all know better
than that. And then let me take you to Tis
James for those of you who might have missed it.
She is the New York State Attorney General. She is
the person who ensured that Donald Trump, given the fraud
and the fraudulent activity that he engages in through the
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Trump Organization, actually finally faced the consequence since the Supreme
Court decided to give Donald Trump or criminal immunity. A
president doesn't just have civil immunity. Now they have criminal
immunity thanks to the Supreme Court's lack of knowledge around
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the Constitution and what actually should be protected. It shouldn't
be criminal behavior. You take an oath, sir. But fine,
they give him criminal immunity. And now that means that
every case that he was facing before the Supreme Court ruled,
they just said, oh, you know what, maybe we just
gotta let it go because these activities happened either when
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he was president or before, so we're gonna release all
of it. This man who's currently sitting in the White
House allegedly and with great regularity, violating the emoluments Clause
taking gifts from foreign countries and foreign adversaries. But this
person is the same one who wants to come at
yet another black woman for having the nerve to want
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to buy multiple properties. Black women buys house, black women
commits fraud. We've seen that playbook before. We saw it
with Marilyn Moseby. This is the same thing they did,
mind you, Marilynd Moseby's mortgage fraud allegation and charge and
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her case around the mortgage fraud charge was thrown out
on appeal. And here we are again with a paper thin,
paper thin indictment of Tiss James for buying a home
where her niece in Norfolk, Virginia could stay. Now, Tiss James,
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this case again, this is the New York State's attorney general.
You would think that folks who are watching someone weaponize
their power to target their political enemies, you would think
that there would be agreement. Maybe not bipartisan agreement, there
has been some, but you would think that at least
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for elected officials in New York, at least for elected
officials in New York, that there would be agreement, widespread agreement,
just on that point. Just on that point. Let's roll
this clip with Andrew Cuomo.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Should the President have gone after Tiss James.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Well, the my point is, and I think this is
nearly uniform. Both sides, Democrats and Republicans believe there's too
much politics in the justice system.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
This is what your statement said yesterday. But should the
president have gone after the attorney general? Was he right
to do that?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, he will say he didn't go after her. The
prosecutor will say they were just doing justice, which is
what Tis James said about going after President Trump. I'm
just pursuing justice. That's why it's political.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
But what do you say.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Neither side should be playing politics.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, your opponent was out there this morning saying that
you won't condemn the president in any sort of way
because you have the same donors. And in this conversation,
it doesn't sound like you think that he was wrong
in this situation of going after the attorney general. What
do you say to to mister m donney who came
out this morning and said you won't speak out a lit'sten.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
We have the same donors. The president was from New York.
I am a lifelong New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
There are people who know the president, there are people
who know May. There are people who contributed to the president,
contributed to make friends.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Walt condemned the president here in this situation, How can
a New York believe you'll actually stand.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Up to him, you condemn him for what well, he
was not likely to stand up to him. But here's
what we also know, he's not going to stand up
for justice. There are folks in the comments saying justice
for Tis James. We stand with Tis James, and I
think our harsh reality is if you can't stand on
facts and stand on the business of the facts, and
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stand on the business of justice, you should not be
in any elected office, let alone trying to represent the
city where this black woman, where she comes out of
and she has been one of the chief protectors of
democracy and justice by trying this case against Donald Trump,
one of the only successful cases against Donald Trump, yielding
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a three hundred and sixty eight I believe that it
is three hundred and sixty eight million dollars fine for
the fraudulent acts taken by the Trump organization, with interest
by the time it went to appeal over five hundred million.
And the thing that we have to understand in this
environment is, given that it's now an appeal, it's not
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necessarily thrown out, but it's sure tougher to move forward
with a verdict and a judgment that is actionable because
people are so afraid of trying a Donald Trump and
calling him to the carpet. So she got a verdict.
She beat Donald Trump based on that case alone. Donald
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Trump and his organization are fraud. But guess who's not,
Tis James. Tis James is doing what so many black
people have done. Our communities have often been groomed to
take care of one another, to take care of our
family members. And that is what Tis James is being
accused of. She's being accused of buying a house, buy
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another house. So the case was so flimsay the first
time that Donald Trump's I'm sorry that the case went forth.
When he was trying to push forth with in the
Eastern District of Virginia, the US attorney there was Eric S. Sebert,
and Eric Sebert said, you know what, there's no there there.
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We cannot try this case. Friend, We're not gonna be
able to do it. So what does Donald Trump go do?
Just like he's done with many of his cabinet positions,
many of his cabinet secretaries who are DEI, and that
they didn't earn it. Not diversity, equity inclusion. It's a
very white cabinet y'all can go run tell that and
check it. It's very true. I believe the only person
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who is black in his cabinet is the HUD secretary.
So Eric Siebert says, non Brah, I ain't gonna be
able to do it. He replaces Eric Siebert with Lindsey Halligan.
Lindsay Halligan has no prosecutorial experience, no prosecutor experience whatsoever. Instead,
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Lindsey is a insurance an insurance lawyer. And what is
I think most bizarre about this particular case is that
they are hinging an intent to commit fraud based on
a form. And what we know about these forms is
that people regularly make mistakes on these forms. If in fact,
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there were any mistakes made on the forms, we shall see.
They are charging her with lying and bank fraud. They
have to prove an intent to deceive, and I think
they're going to struggle to do exactly that. So let
me just remind you for the record, we have Donald
Trump with thirty four felonies where he was convicted. Remember
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he was charged with eighty nine three were dropped, Yeah,
I believe it, or was it eighty eight either eighty
eight felonies three were dropped. It was ninety one ninety
one felonies charges to eighty eight felony charges thirty four
counts where he was convicted. Guess how many Tiss has zero?
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So Donald Trump thirty four felonies Tiss James zero. I
think that's important to understand because again I want to
draw us back to the fact that it was a
black woman who bought a house. Marilyn Moseby was a
black woman who bought a house. Lisa Cook is a
Black woman who bought a house. We can't have multiple properties,
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we can't pursue the American dream. When we do is fraudulent.
It's inherently violent and criminal. We are, and I'm saying
these are. They did not committed the acts of violence
or engage any even any physical you know, self defense practices.
But I'm saying it because this is an age old
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story that black people are inherently violent and criminal. That
is what I want to focus us on here, because
if there was ever a time for black men, for
black women, for black people, for all of our allies
to stand together, it is now. There are folks right
now in Chicago who are being arrested, zip tied handcuffed,
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no questions about their citizenship. We told you all this
was gonna happen. We're watching this happen every single day,
and we told you all that there would not be
a distinction. Brothers, he gonna come for you too. You're
gonna be on the wrong side of the truth. At
some point, He's already come for some of our folks.
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He came for Lenardi, called Lenard lo Iq, It's called
Don lo Iq, right. This is someone who engages in
textbook discrimination. There's a thread circulating right now, a political
article about young Republicans in all of the racist white
supremacists and Hitler Fangirland language in a text exchange on
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an app called Telegram. This is what young white Republican
males are talking about. So if you're not in it
to win it with us, you on the wrong side
of history, playboy. That's just what it is. So that
is where I wanted to be today. We have some comments.
Somebody says, why hasn't someone filed a complaint with the
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Bar Association against Bondi, who has clearly violated all conditions
of standing to maintain her license. I agree. I've actually
raised this same thing that folks should start filing bar
complaints against these frivolous actions taken, as well as the
selective prosecution that is coming down from this administration that
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goes for James Comy. I would love to talk to James.
Call me. I'm still mad at him twenty sixteen, but
he don't deserve what's happening right now. So James call me, Tis, James,
Lisa Cook. These are all people who he's targeted because
he felt like they were on the wrong side of him.
If you don't bend the knee, if you don't bow down,
if you don't kiss the ring, this is what you're
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up against. We know what time it is. The question
is do you And if you don't know what time
it is, what is it going to take for you
to wake up? So I just want to come here
to the comments really quick, just to see if there's
anything else here. Y'all got a lot of love today.
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I'm grateful and we definitely want to answer any questions.
Why are when are we going to be solution oriented?
I love this quest question. I love to hear your solutions.
I think that many of us are being solutions oriented.
We just talked about a bar complaint strategy. We talked
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about ways that people can push back against this onslaught
of a violent rhetoric, violent action, the death threats that ensue,
and the ways in which they're coming after people's career.
We know right now that more than three hundred thousand
black women, I think it's probably double that are out
of the workforce since this man became president. The way
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for us to respond is to hire one another, to
look for contracting opportunities for each other. We haven't even
talked about on this show yet. The Department of Transportation
issuing a regulation and the Still of Night saying that
they are changing the Disadvantage Business Enterprise program. They are
no longer going to consider race or gender. What do
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you think is going to happen to the businesses that
disproportionately hire our people. If there was ever a time
for us to come together and fight back against this nonsense,
this craziness, the type of oppression that our folks claude
their way out of. If there was ever a time
to do that, it is right now. It's not tomorrow.
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It's not waiting for permission, y'all. We gotta get on
board all together. That is what this moment requires, and
so I implore us, all right, I got if we got
fights to have as a people, let's call each other,
let's text, let's try to figure out whatever the solution
is on the back end. If you want information about
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someone's accomplishments, what they do, how they roll, and how
they protect us and the legacy they're building, let's have
our conversation offline. We ain't got to have family business
in public. We ain't got to do that. I'm down
and stand ready to be available to anyone that wants
to have that conversation, whether it's about my girl, Jasmine,
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my mentor Maxine Waters, Tis James, Marilyn Moseby, whoever it
is like, let's go. Let's talk about it. The brothers too.
It's brothers will be an attacked as well. But what
we shouldn't do is attack one another and do the
enemies work for them. That's what we shouldn't do. How
does NLP feel about No King's event? Go forth? Friends,
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go forth? I think you go wherever you feel called.
Let's see what can we do to continue to support her?
I love it? What can we do to continue to
support her or Maryland? I think in order to continue
to support Tis James. There's a bunch you can do.
There's a letter that her attorney, Abby Lowell wrote in April.
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There's another one that he wrote to Ed martin August
eighteenth that they're all for public consumption. There are also
articles being written about her case so that you understand
what she's up against, which isn't much. Her case is
actually before Judge Jamar Walker, who is a Biden appointee
in the Eastern District of Virginia and as a thirty
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nine year old, and I think that he's gonna see
the facts of the case and realize that there are none,
and hopefully the case will be thrown out. It is
selective prosecution. It is malicious prosecution. I actually hope that
Attorney General Tiss James will sue them for malicious prosecution,
which is a civil cause of action. With Marilyn Moseby,
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I think stay informed about where she is in the
UH in the case around appeal. We want that sister
to be able to practice. She's actively engaged in State
of the People work with me. She's powerful, she's incredible,
she is dope, and she's doing the Lord's work and
always has been Uh, somebody said, Tish is about to
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be convicted. Stop it? You stop it, friend? You have
no facts? What else?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, I think that's it. We've been We've been rolling
deep for about thirty minutes. As you all know, we
record our show on Wednesdays, our main episode and then
our mini pods or our main episode will drop, same
bad time, same bad station here on YouTube and on
iHeart wherever you get your podcasts. We also will drop
our mini pod on Friday around the same time. If
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you guys have any thoughts or feedback, let's keep the
conversation going. How should black men and black women be
engaging in this conversation right now, especially when we're at
we're at war on every side. We shouldn't be at
war with each other. We certainly should be protecting each other.
And if we don't have all the facts, we have
an obligation to get to know them, especially when they
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are so scarce in this moment. So I appreciate you
all's time. It was heavy on my heart to talk
about the least protected person in America. They are my
dear sisters, and I urge you all to read about
them and when you are comfortable after reading all those facts.
Stand with them because they are fighting the good fight
we all deserve to be fought for. Let's join in
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the fight and not watch them idly as they fight
on our behalf. I appreciate y'all so much. This is
my solo pod. I'm Angela Rai and I will see
you very so. Welcome home, y'all. Native Lampod is a
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay, everyone, welcome home. Welcome home, y'all. As we normally say,
this is a very very serious day. There's we're having
on those every single day in a very serious and
treacherous time. I want to open today's show with a
very important historical clip because I think it provides context
(00:31):
for where we are. Let's roll.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's disrespected person in America is the black woman. The
most unprotected woman A person in America is the black woman.
The most neglected person in America is the black woman. Say,
if the white man will do whatever is necessary to
see that his woman gets respect and protection, then you
(00:54):
and I will never be recognized as men until we
stand up like men.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And that is just it. What is required of men
in this hour to stand up for the most disrespected
person in America. And so I think where we have
to really begin today is, uh, you know this question.
I saw I was flagged earlier that Stephen A. Smith
(01:20):
put our podcast on his talking about where we discussed
his critique of Jasmine Crockett Congressman Jasmine Crockett and I'm
this special episode of his podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
He says, can we be grown ups and deal with
what the real issue is involving what I said?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Willie d.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Roland, Martin Bakari.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Sellers and Angela Rai, who I have profound respect for.
How's it disrespectful to say what I said? Could you
just disagree?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Could we just say, yo, I disagree with you. Here's
why he resents the fact that people challenged his critique
of Jasmine as disrespectful. It sounded like he resented the
fact that people fought his challenge sounded in some way misogynistic.
And so where that leaves us is trying to understand
(02:21):
why there may be a road where we are missing
each other, where the positions are not quite aligned. And
so where I want to lean in is first on facts.
When Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett was just on with us just
weeks ago prior to the government shutdown, right before that vote,
(02:42):
Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett talked about having to go in special
entrances when she's going to public events, having to go
get fitted for a bullet proof vest I talked about
that on our main episode this week, and I want
to draw your attention back to it because of what
Malcolm X told us, which is the black woman is
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the most unprotected person in America. So to me, if
someone is getting death threats, if someone is championing the
voices of the people, those who can't say the thing
that needs to be said, one of the things that
you all said to me often when I saw you
(03:24):
like I love seeing you on CNN, or I love
seeing you on MSNBC, or I love seeing you on
Native Lampard, you speak for me and win these voices,
not just mine, not just Jasmines, but Joy and Tiff
and Sonny and Aaron Haynes and Britney Pagnett Cunningham and
Jamel and Carrie. When those voices raise up and they
speak on behalf of someone who feels marginalized, unheard, and invisible,
(03:49):
those become the voices that we seek to for comfort
because they're saying something in spaces where we've not been
invited to or have not been allowed to speak our truth.
Nine times out of ten black women sit in spaces
in corporate America where their voices cannot speak truth to
power because they could risk losing their jobs. Nine times
(04:10):
out of ten, when black women are hired to work
for the federal government or the state government, or county
or local government in some other form, they cannot use
their voices to speak truth to power for the risk
of losing their jobs. That's something that we know to
be true. Yet every now and then someone decides that
their truth being spoken is so important that it is
(04:33):
worth risking the opportunity and perhaps even risking their lives.
And that's where we find ourselves now. Like there are
black women who are saying, I'll catch the case, or
i will catch the heat, or I'll deal with the punishment.
It don't mean that I won't be in a leadership position,
Jasmine Crockett, Right, It'll mean that I might get demoted.
(04:55):
But my truth deserves to have a platform because our
lives are on the line. So when you're dealing with
when your opponent is someone who will say low IQ
such and such, which is how Y'all's commander in chief,
Y'all's president chooses to address not just black women but
black people, you have an obligation to continue to speak
(05:20):
truth to power even when he basically is calling you dumb.
And that is something that we don't take lightly. It's
something that we commended, something that we deem as courageous.
And that is why Jasmine Crockett's approval numbers right now,
rival only Barack Obama's at his height. It's because she's
speaking truth to power. Now, there are some things that
(05:40):
I wish my dear sister didn't say. I wish you
didn't call the commander chief out of his name. I
call him y'all's president. But I understand that as a tactic,
and more than y'all agree with her than you agree
with me. And I understand because we're watching this man
terrorize the country, and she is one of the lone
soldiers who continues to speak up and say what is
(06:03):
wrong to call a thing a thing. This is not
some random hood rat check as someone have you to
believe on their platforms using language that is not only
dangerous but involves racist troopes. This is someone who has
a law degree. She's a former civil rights attorney. This
is someone who was a state representative. This is someone
(06:25):
who in Texas looked for folks to hold the line.
Last time folks needed to leave the state to ensure
that the Texas Republicans did not pass legislation that was
antithetical to our interests. She is that person. She is
that person. She is the one who is introducing legislation
to ensure that our needs are protected. She has introduced
(06:47):
several bills in Congress. One that I regularly tell that
I'm so proud of her for doing is called the
clear id Act. The clear id Act would hold to
account the law and horsemen that are going into our
communities right now, terrorizing our citizens, and they're doing it masked.
(07:07):
There was a time where this country honored legislation that
was passed a force the ku Kluks plan to identify
themselves now, right in time for this terroristic activity under
the guise of the state of under the guys of
state sanctioned violence. Really, they're now able to be masked again.
(07:30):
So that is what we're up against. So again, Jasmine
Crockett is a sitting member of Congress. She is one
that does not just speak about her work, but she
is regularly booked because she cuts through, because she speaks
for people who have been marginalized and left out, because
she is a fighter for those who don't have any
fight left in them. She is someone who not only
(07:54):
speaks on air when invited, she also goes to committee
hearings and tors and she provides amendments to bills. She
introduces those amendments, she argues them in committee markups. Committee
mark ups is where legislation goes to be negotiated and
amended before it goes to the House floor. She does
that work. We watch her do that work. That work
(08:17):
also goes viral. She does it in committee hearings where
she's challenging the nonsense that disputes her across from a
witness table where people have been sworn under oath, Jasmine
holds them accountable too. So I resent the fact that
she's being talked about as someone who's just showing up
(08:38):
for a show. This is someone who is working very
hard to get the needs of the American people's interests
met and those of her district. And now, speaking of
her district, did you know that the Republican State Legislature
created a district map for Jasmine Crockett's district where they
(09:01):
carved her house where she resides out of her district.
Does that sound like a group of people who want
to work with her? Would you work with someone who
is calling you out of your name and calling you
low IQ. Would you work with someone who has people
in the House of Representatives who are making fun of
(09:23):
your appearance in Congress? That is actually how we got
to beach blonde, bad built, butch body, because bleach bond blonde.
I can't even say it without messing up the allt
to Bees talked about her eyelashes first in a congressional
hearing oversighting government reform. Look it up, right, So I
(09:47):
just want us to be very clear about the challenges
ahead and the fact that, yes, the most disrespected and
unprotected person in this country is the black woman. And
so pardon me for having X right that a black
man would protect a black woman at least, I mean
that's how things used to be. But pardon me for
(10:09):
expecting that right? Like, how dare I expect that I
expect that you know that what Republicans few on Fox
News and in all of their rags would not be
the facts. I would expect that you would know that
just because a black woman is tried and gone after
and pursued and maybe even hunted down, like it's been
(10:32):
said sixteen nineteen, that maybe that's not all the facts.
So I'm going to turn your attention to another disrespected
black woman. Her name is Fannie Willis. Fannie Willis is
(10:52):
currently trying is in the fight of her life for
just saying to the American people, listen, Donald Trump and
gay an election interference, charged him as such. Then it
became that her character was on the line. Now the
Department of Justice Donald Trump Donald Trump's Department of Justice
issued a subpoena for records related to Fannie Wallace's travel history.
(11:19):
If this is not selective prosecution, you all should know
this from watching our podcast when Marilyn Mosby was targeted
through selective and malicious prosecution, means, I don't know what
is this is textbook. This is someone who he sees
as a political adversary, someone who he sees as someone
who targeted him, even if the target was rooted in
(11:41):
a factual challenge of a clear violation of the law.
This is someone who he has made out to be
a political enemy. Right, It's not just we don't just
end with Jasmine Crockett and as jd Vance just went
after Joy read just a week or so ago, We're
gonna have to in there or with Fannie Willis. Let
(12:01):
me turn your attention to Lisa Cook. Lisa Cook, the
first black woman to ever serve on the Board of
Governors for their Federal Reserve. Oh, she was targeted because
a black woman has a nerve to buy a house
and child, not just one. She has the nerve to
to one, to have two. She had the nerve to
(12:22):
want to have multiple properties, having done all of this
with her career, wanted to have multiple properties. And so
they go with the solution in search of a problem
to try to target Lisa Cook because Lisa Cook hasn't
been a rubber stamp for Donald Trump, right, so they
go after Lisa Cook. And right now, the only thing
(12:43):
keeping Lisa Cook at her job is the fact that
the Supreme Court blocked Donald Trump's attempt to fire her,
which he does not have the authority to do. And
now they are just temporarily blocking it. And they plan
to hear care or arguments in the case involving the
unlawful firing of Lisa Cook in January. So she's got
(13:08):
a temporary reprieve. We don't know how long the Supreme
Court is gonna act, right, come on, y'all know better
than that. And then let me take you to Tis
James for those of you who might have missed it.
She is the New York State Attorney General. She is
the person who ensured that Donald Trump, given the fraud
and the fraudulent activity that he engages in through the
(13:31):
Trump Organization, actually finally faced the consequence since the Supreme
Court decided to give Donald Trump or criminal immunity. A
president doesn't just have civil immunity. Now they have criminal
immunity thanks to the Supreme Court's lack of knowledge around
(13:51):
the Constitution and what actually should be protected. It shouldn't
be criminal behavior. You take an oath, sir. But fine,
they give him criminal immunity. And now that means that
every case that he was facing before the Supreme Court ruled,
they just said, oh, you know what, maybe we just
gotta let it go because these activities happened either when
(14:13):
he was president or before, so we're gonna release all
of it. This man who's currently sitting in the White
House allegedly and with great regularity, violating the emoluments Clause
taking gifts from foreign countries and foreign adversaries. But this
person is the same one who wants to come at
yet another black woman for having the nerve to want
(14:36):
to buy multiple properties. Black women buys house, black women
commits fraud. We've seen that playbook before. We saw it
with Marilyn Moseby. This is the same thing they did,
mind you, Marilynd Moseby's mortgage fraud allegation and charge and
(14:58):
her case around the mortgage fraud charge was thrown out
on appeal. And here we are again with a paper thin,
paper thin indictment of Tiss James for buying a home
where her niece in Norfolk, Virginia could stay. Now, Tiss James,
(15:20):
this case again, this is the New York State's attorney general.
You would think that folks who are watching someone weaponize
their power to target their political enemies, you would think
that there would be agreement. Maybe not bipartisan agreement, there
has been some, but you would think that at least
(15:42):
for elected officials in New York, at least for elected
officials in New York, that there would be agreement, widespread agreement,
just on that point. Just on that point. Let's roll
this clip with Andrew Cuomo.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Should the President have gone after Tiss James.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Well, the my point is, and I think this is
nearly uniform. Both sides, Democrats and Republicans believe there's too
much politics in the justice system.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
This is what your statement said yesterday. But should the
president have gone after the attorney general? Was he right
to do that?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, he will say he didn't go after her. The
prosecutor will say they were just doing justice, which is
what Tis James said about going after President Trump. I'm
just pursuing justice. That's why it's political.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
But what do you say.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Neither side should be playing politics.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, your opponent was out there this morning saying that
you won't condemn the president in any sort of way
because you have the same donors. And in this conversation,
it doesn't sound like you think that he was wrong
in this situation of going after the attorney general. What
do you say to to mister m donney who came
out this morning and said you won't speak out a lit'sten.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
We have the same donors. The president was from New York.
I am a lifelong New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
There are people who know the president, there are people
who know May. There are people who contributed to the president,
contributed to make friends.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Walt condemned the president here in this situation, How can
a New York believe you'll actually stand.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Up to him, you condemn him for what well, he
was not likely to stand up to him. But here's
what we also know, he's not going to stand up
for justice. There are folks in the comments saying justice
for Tis James. We stand with Tis James, and I
think our harsh reality is if you can't stand on
facts and stand on the business of the facts, and
(17:40):
stand on the business of justice, you should not be
in any elected office, let alone trying to represent the
city where this black woman, where she comes out of
and she has been one of the chief protectors of
democracy and justice by trying this case against Donald Trump,
one of the only successful cases against Donald Trump, yielding
(18:05):
a three hundred and sixty eight I believe that it
is three hundred and sixty eight million dollars fine for
the fraudulent acts taken by the Trump organization, with interest
by the time it went to appeal over five hundred million.
And the thing that we have to understand in this
environment is, given that it's now an appeal, it's not
(18:25):
necessarily thrown out, but it's sure tougher to move forward
with a verdict and a judgment that is actionable because
people are so afraid of trying a Donald Trump and
calling him to the carpet. So she got a verdict.
She beat Donald Trump based on that case alone. Donald
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Trump and his organization are fraud. But guess who's not,
Tis James. Tis James is doing what so many black
people have done. Our communities have often been groomed to
take care of one another, to take care of our
family members. And that is what Tis James is being
accused of. She's being accused of buying a house, buy
(19:07):
another house. So the case was so flimsay the first
time that Donald Trump's I'm sorry that the case went forth.
When he was trying to push forth with in the
Eastern District of Virginia, the US attorney there was Eric S. Sebert,
and Eric Sebert said, you know what, there's no there there.
(19:27):
We cannot try this case. Friend, We're not gonna be
able to do it. So what does Donald Trump go do?
Just like he's done with many of his cabinet positions,
many of his cabinet secretaries who are DEI, and that
they didn't earn it. Not diversity, equity inclusion. It's a
very white cabinet y'all can go run tell that and
check it. It's very true. I believe the only person
(19:47):
who is black in his cabinet is the HUD secretary.
So Eric Siebert says, non Brah, I ain't gonna be
able to do it. He replaces Eric Siebert with Lindsey Halligan.
Lindsay Halligan has no prosecutorial experience, no prosecutor experience whatsoever. Instead,
(20:09):
Lindsey is a insurance an insurance lawyer. And what is
I think most bizarre about this particular case is that
they are hinging an intent to commit fraud based on
a form. And what we know about these forms is
that people regularly make mistakes on these forms. If in fact,
(20:32):
there were any mistakes made on the forms, we shall see.
They are charging her with lying and bank fraud. They
have to prove an intent to deceive, and I think
they're going to struggle to do exactly that. So let
me just remind you for the record, we have Donald
Trump with thirty four felonies where he was convicted. Remember
(20:57):
he was charged with eighty nine three were dropped, Yeah,
I believe it, or was it eighty eight either eighty
eight felonies three were dropped. It was ninety one ninety
one felonies charges to eighty eight felony charges thirty four
counts where he was convicted. Guess how many Tiss has zero?
(21:22):
So Donald Trump thirty four felonies Tiss James zero. I
think that's important to understand because again I want to
draw us back to the fact that it was a
black woman who bought a house. Marilyn Moseby was a
black woman who bought a house. Lisa Cook is a
Black woman who bought a house. We can't have multiple properties,
(21:47):
we can't pursue the American dream. When we do is fraudulent.
It's inherently violent and criminal. We are, and I'm saying
these are. They did not committed the acts of violence
or engage any even any physical you know, self defense practices.
But I'm saying it because this is an age old
(22:09):
story that black people are inherently violent and criminal. That
is what I want to focus us on here, because
if there was ever a time for black men, for
black women, for black people, for all of our allies
to stand together, it is now. There are folks right
now in Chicago who are being arrested, zip tied handcuffed,
(22:36):
no questions about their citizenship. We told you all this
was gonna happen. We're watching this happen every single day,
and we told you all that there would not be
a distinction. Brothers, he gonna come for you too. You're
gonna be on the wrong side of the truth. At
some point, He's already come for some of our folks.
(22:57):
He came for Lenardi, called Lenard lo Iq, It's called
Don lo Iq, right. This is someone who engages in
textbook discrimination. There's a thread circulating right now, a political
article about young Republicans in all of the racist white
supremacists and Hitler Fangirland language in a text exchange on
(23:24):
an app called Telegram. This is what young white Republican
males are talking about. So if you're not in it
to win it with us, you on the wrong side
of history, playboy. That's just what it is. So that
is where I wanted to be today. We have some comments.
Somebody says, why hasn't someone filed a complaint with the
(23:45):
Bar Association against Bondi, who has clearly violated all conditions
of standing to maintain her license. I agree. I've actually
raised this same thing that folks should start filing bar
complaints against these frivolous actions taken, as well as the
selective prosecution that is coming down from this administration that
(24:06):
goes for James Comy. I would love to talk to James.
Call me. I'm still mad at him twenty sixteen, but
he don't deserve what's happening right now. So James call me, Tis, James,
Lisa Cook. These are all people who he's targeted because
he felt like they were on the wrong side of him.
If you don't bend the knee, if you don't bow down,
if you don't kiss the ring, this is what you're
(24:29):
up against. We know what time it is. The question
is do you And if you don't know what time
it is, what is it going to take for you
to wake up? So I just want to come here
to the comments really quick, just to see if there's
anything else here. Y'all got a lot of love today.
(24:49):
I'm grateful and we definitely want to answer any questions.
Why are when are we going to be solution oriented?
I love this quest question. I love to hear your solutions.
I think that many of us are being solutions oriented.
We just talked about a bar complaint strategy. We talked
(25:09):
about ways that people can push back against this onslaught
of a violent rhetoric, violent action, the death threats that ensue,
and the ways in which they're coming after people's career.
We know right now that more than three hundred thousand
black women, I think it's probably double that are out
of the workforce since this man became president. The way
(25:30):
for us to respond is to hire one another, to
look for contracting opportunities for each other. We haven't even
talked about on this show yet. The Department of Transportation
issuing a regulation and the Still of Night saying that
they are changing the Disadvantage Business Enterprise program. They are
no longer going to consider race or gender. What do
(25:51):
you think is going to happen to the businesses that
disproportionately hire our people. If there was ever a time
for us to come together and fight back against this nonsense,
this craziness, the type of oppression that our folks claude
their way out of. If there was ever a time
to do that, it is right now. It's not tomorrow.
(26:11):
It's not waiting for permission, y'all. We gotta get on
board all together. That is what this moment requires, and
so I implore us, all right, I got if we got
fights to have as a people, let's call each other,
let's text, let's try to figure out whatever the solution
is on the back end. If you want information about
(26:32):
someone's accomplishments, what they do, how they roll, and how
they protect us and the legacy they're building, let's have
our conversation offline. We ain't got to have family business
in public. We ain't got to do that. I'm down
and stand ready to be available to anyone that wants
to have that conversation, whether it's about my girl, Jasmine,
(26:53):
my mentor Maxine Waters, Tis James, Marilyn Moseby, whoever it
is like, let's go. Let's talk about it. The brothers too.
It's brothers will be an attacked as well. But what
we shouldn't do is attack one another and do the
enemies work for them. That's what we shouldn't do. How
does NLP feel about No King's event? Go forth? Friends,
(27:15):
go forth? I think you go wherever you feel called.
Let's see what can we do to continue to support her?
I love it? What can we do to continue to
support her or Maryland? I think in order to continue
to support Tis James. There's a bunch you can do.
There's a letter that her attorney, Abby Lowell wrote in April.
(27:36):
There's another one that he wrote to Ed martin August
eighteenth that they're all for public consumption. There are also
articles being written about her case so that you understand
what she's up against, which isn't much. Her case is
actually before Judge Jamar Walker, who is a Biden appointee
in the Eastern District of Virginia and as a thirty
(27:59):
nine year old, and I think that he's gonna see
the facts of the case and realize that there are none,
and hopefully the case will be thrown out. It is
selective prosecution. It is malicious prosecution. I actually hope that
Attorney General Tiss James will sue them for malicious prosecution,
which is a civil cause of action. With Marilyn Moseby,
(28:21):
I think stay informed about where she is in the
UH in the case around appeal. We want that sister
to be able to practice. She's actively engaged in State
of the People work with me. She's powerful, she's incredible,
she is dope, and she's doing the Lord's work and
always has been Uh, somebody said, Tish is about to
(28:42):
be convicted. Stop it? You stop it, friend? You have
no facts? What else?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, I think that's it. We've been We've been rolling
deep for about thirty minutes. As you all know, we
record our show on Wednesdays, our main episode and then
our mini pods or our main episode will drop, same
bad time, same bad station here on YouTube and on
iHeart wherever you get your podcasts. We also will drop
our mini pod on Friday around the same time. If
(29:11):
you guys have any thoughts or feedback, let's keep the
conversation going. How should black men and black women be
engaging in this conversation right now, especially when we're at
we're at war on every side. We shouldn't be at
war with each other. We certainly should be protecting each other.
And if we don't have all the facts, we have
an obligation to get to know them, especially when they
(29:31):
are so scarce in this moment. So I appreciate you
all's time. It was heavy on my heart to talk
about the least protected person in America. They are my
dear sisters, and I urge you all to read about
them and when you are comfortable after reading all those facts.
Stand with them because they are fighting the good fight
we all deserve to be fought for. Let's join in
(29:53):
the fight and not watch them idly as they fight
on our behalf. I appreciate y'all so much. This is
my solo pod. I'm Angela Rai and I will see
you very so. Welcome home, y'all. Native Lampod is a
(30:19):
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