Faded… None of These Candidates!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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y'all to the fifth episode of Native Land Pod.

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Speaker 1 (00:57):
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our listeners after this, we're all going to go eat
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can we go along on this pod?

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We do. We don't know how to stop talking.

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it's a lot happening in the media. Yes, yes, well
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The listener may or may not, who knows well.

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Speaker 1 (01:34):
As you know on Nata Lampid, we give it to
you straight, no chaser, And so I want to let
you guys know, we are going.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
To be talking about a lot on this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
We're going to we had a primary this week, two
primaries on Nevada and Nevada.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Forgive me all the folks in Nevada on the West coast, right,
let's the a Ryan go never let us this is
the West Coast Nevada, Nevada in South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
So we'll get into that immigration. Every time we talk
about immigration, I feel like it's a flood of comments. Yeah,
people feel away and people, I will tell you, people
have been coming after me like Tiffany, you have no
idea what you're talking about, and let me tell you
what's happening in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
And New York.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
And I heard y'all.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
So we're gonna get into that again today.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
In shall we gonna we want to come rod to
your city, invite us. We're also going to get into
something that we talked about doing on this podcast is
talking about some of these state bills that are happening
because a lot of people don't pay attention and a
lot of these state these laws that are passed to
the state legislature become federal law. So we're going to
start paying attention to that as well. We're going to
y'all know what's happening Sunday. Yes, the NFL, So we're

(02:44):
gonna talk about.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
That Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yes, and angel I know you read a really interesting
report from Mackenzie.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
We're going to get into that.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
And I just want to take a moment and thank
you guys because of the response to Andrew's testimony last week. Andrew,
I know you stay on social media, we all need to,
but it was overwhelming. There were so many people just
showing you all the love of my brothers. So his
testimony was so harrowing and so much. We're going to
play the second half of his testimony, so I want

(03:13):
you guys to really stick around and listen to that
because after going through such turmoil and personal crisis and
and surviving that so teers to you. Then the Lord
send another challenger away and you survived that, but getting
into the trial, I think that is super, super important,

(03:33):
So you guys please be sure to stick around for that.
So we allowed to get to get into this podcast. Yeah, well,
let's get right into it. I think we have to
kick it off with the primaries this week, the primary
South Carolina and Nevada. So I think why it's important

(03:55):
for us to talk about this is these two states
have the highest population of people of when it comes
to primary state.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
So far in the yeah, oh no period.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, for primary states.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
So South Carolina has a large not the largest, but
a very large black population, and Nevada has a very
large Latino population, black population, indigenous population. Right, big labor
community there because of all the casinos. Labor obviously plays
an outsize role in politics. So we got to get
into it. I will be honest with you guys, I

(04:26):
was not paying attention. Well, I wanted to take a
break from it all. I wanted to like focus on myself,
you know.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, so I felt a little ease being out of
the news. So Angela actually updated me this morning. Angela,
please tell me the results of the Nevada Nevada primier.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Well, I will say the Biden heres campaign pushed out
some results this morning talking about there were there was
a ninety percent of the twenty twenty turnout in this
year's primary South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
No, this is in Nevada, Novada.

Speaker 5 (05:02):
Yes, and I think that I'm a little concerned because
I know you said, Andrews said, I wouldn't have shown
up at all.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
Maybe, yeah, but I think that.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
You know, we just need to be aware of these numbers,
particularly as it relates to people of color. However, I
feel like the big news in Nevada is that Nicki
Haley opted out of the caucuses and into the primary.
She says she didn't compete. Her campaign says she didn't compete.
But let me tell you who did compete.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait wait, So that the
viewers understanding completely, Donald Trump chose the caucuses over the primaries,
and therefore was not a name on the ballot.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Yes, okay, okay, yes, So because you can only pick
the primary or the caucuses. Yes, so Nicki Haley chose
the ballot, she chose the primary, and there was another
choice on the ballot that Donald Trump did push. So
there was a ghost of Donald Trump on the ballot.
It was not any of these candidates. Wait, but do
you mean like none of the other candidates are on there.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Or a choice.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
There was a choice that said, and I quote, not
any of these candidates, Haley.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Any option B is none of y'all.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Do y'all want to know who won?

Speaker 5 (06:11):
I have a feeling any of these candidates.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
I'm sorry, can you imagine?

Speaker 5 (06:21):
So the campaign is trying heard it, but they needed
to hear that. Here's the thing, Nikki Haley has to
be embarrassed. Her campaign has to be mortified. But they
said they putting it all on the line of South Carolina. So,
of course South Carolina primaries this weekend were just the
Democrats this past weekend.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
The Republicans are coming up on the twenty four. So yeah,
so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, as you were saying this, our producer, Nick is
a spellar producer. He actually has the winner of the
GOP primary caucus on the line.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Please help me welcome.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
None of these candidates. Thank you for joining us. About
your good feats. I'm sorry about your victory. Give us
your remarks on your stellar victory in Nevada. All right,
that you heard it here first, folks, we have the
GOP winner of the Nevada primary with those really riveting,

(07:16):
compelling remarks, I say, all right, can we just I
know we got to move on, but I want to
talk about South Carolina because some people were taking that
and saying, oh, it wasn't a big turnout, and you know,
black voters aren't turning out. I get so tired of
hearing that that that trope. Did you guys have any
thoughts on that or are we done with that?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, black voters weren't turning out for the Republican primary,
of course not.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
But true Republican primary, that's not.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yet I understand. But my point is is in a
non contested presidential election, right, a lot of people don't
take time to go out to the polls to just
reconfirm what we already know, which is Biden and Harris
will be the nominees for Democrats. So to me, I
don't think we ought to overread that.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Thing I'll tell you guys is our dear sister Latasha Brown,
who's been doing work all over the south South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I'm not gonna forget about you, brother.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
I just say our sister because she's but yes, and
Cliff Albright and April I love them.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I will say this.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
They said that there was an increase in black voter
turnout in South Carolina. So even though the numbers were down,
I tell you, did I see an increase in black
voter turnout on his ballot count was Dean Phillips.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Well, I thought you was gonna say, Jim Scott.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
But you know what, Jim Scott is competing in the
Republican primary, competing.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
He's still on the ballot.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
He's still on the ballot. I think he was. He wasn't. No,
he was on the He's on the ballot in Nevada.
They can't take you. I don't think they could take
you off. We gotta check and none of that.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
And not even so he got beat by nobody either not.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Again, yes, okay, yeah, that Mike.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
But the thing is the one who's still in the race.
Nikki Hayley got beat by one of these kids.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
President, none of these candidates.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Might you want to run? None of them?

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Exactly, change your name legally, Nemorda.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I know for your birthday, for your birthday, it's name that's.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
An Obama Carter.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
All right, everybody, we got a lot more show coming
up when we come back after this break. We're going
to get into immigration. You guys have a lot to
say about immigration. Okay, I'm eager for this next topic
because immigration. We've talked about this a few times on

(09:39):
the show, and so many of you guys listening way
in on this immigration thing. And look, I want to say,
I've heard everybody from Chicago and New York say, you
don't know, you don't know, you don't know. You guys
know where Angela and I are in our girl group,
our group chat, and so in our co ed chat. Actually,
I think this came up in our co ed chat
and we were talking about immigration. And this is how

(10:03):
I know we have our finger on the pulse of
the community because you guys, your questions are always very
consistent with what we talk about. And so I want
to kick us off with a viewer question. Who's gonna
get us right into this conversation. So let's rode off
your question and we'll talk about it on the other side.

Speaker 7 (10:18):
Good day, Navy Land. My name is Valentine and I
live in Hinesvith, Georgia. My question is what do you
think about what fifty cent did over the weekend when
he did a tweet me personally, I have a problem
with that because if you're gonna tweet something like that.
Tweet all the other stuff too, Tweet what the House
Republicans doing right now. That's not working with the Democratic

(10:41):
Party about making some kind of bill to control the border.
He's not education's people. I do believe people like that.
The rappers, they're not. They have a platform, but they're
not really educating the people like they should.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
Then more what you think.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
All right, I have a lot of thoughts on this.
I'm gonna kick it to y'all. Well, I have a.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Challenging time when first, let me just say, rappers are
tax paying citizens and they have a right to weigh
in on everything. So I really don't appreciate this, not
from the viewer, but sometimes from society. There's this attitude
of shut up and dribble, you know, stick to sports,
stick to music. And these people probably pay more taxes
than some of the people suggesting these things.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
So he has a right to weigh in. Fair fair enough.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
But I think the bigger point that I would say
for people who hear these kind of remarks because somebody
read a paper for the first time in six months,
they're not an expert on something. Because someone is doing
kind of this like hashtag news following. They're not an expert.
This is one person's opinion, and so when you hear this,
I would invite everybody fine the solid resource yourself because

(11:51):
fifty doesn't work on immigration issues at all. But I
think the bigger issue that this gets into. I think
that what the viewer is trying to suggest is there
are other issues happening. One of the conversations we were
having is in the black community. Are there are some
members of the black community who are being anti immigrants

(12:12):
or is it a fight over resources?

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Yeah, Tiff, I agree with you that any tax paying citizen,
anyone that is watching what's happening in this country has
a right to appine on it. Even young folks who
don't aren't working, or are elders who may not be working,
they have a right to appine on what's happening. I
think the challenge is that when we think about the

(12:36):
haves and the have nots, oftentimes folks who look like
us find ourselves on the have not side like most
other people of color, right, And I think that the
concern I have is the haves get to escape with
you know, blemish free, like there's nothing on them about
this and that is what is troubling to me.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
So fifty cent. He actually didn't just have an opinion.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
He raised a question, Eric Adams, tell me what's going
on with these cards?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
So, well, les's we should say what the cards are.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yes, so there is a pilot program in place in
New York and yes, and it's also family. Yes, And
it is a card that is essentially like Snap Benefits
but for migrant community members. Why there were thousands of
meals being thrown away every day because folks are like,

(13:31):
I don't want this nasty food, like I want something else.
So these cards can be used at the local bodega
and grocery store so that they can cook the things
that they actually want to eat. Now, folks looking at
this can say, well, what about us? We actually have
SNAP Benefits for low income under resource families all throughout
the country through federal programming. But this particular program also

(13:52):
works with a black owned business that I can't remember
the name of right now, but I do want to
play Eric Adams sound in response to this.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I responding to fifty fifty cent, Oh yeah, let's let's
let's hear that.

Speaker 9 (14:03):
This was a small policy shift that we're doing on
a pilot project with five hundred people. If this is successful,
we're going to expand it even more so that we
can bring down we got to bring down the course
twenty percent. We want to bring down a course, and
their team are doing their job.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
So I told.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Fifty to hit me up.

Speaker 9 (14:24):
I would love to explain it to him so that
he can go out and do another tweet of saying,
you know what, Eric is just a smart manager, and
now we understand why he was elected by the people
of this city of New York.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
I love it. Wow, so asked Ari Melburn Tips former colleague,
my former corleague as well, to explain what happened.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
He's become a rapper whisper. But also we.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Think that we can we can give you a run
for your money on that, Ari, And so to this end,
we hope that now it is clearer to fifty cent
you know what is going on, not just to him,
but he was bold enough to ask the question. A
lot of people with these questions all over the country
about where is mine?

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, well, I think that's kind of the thing Andrew right, Like, so,
I I do look at our comments, even the comments
left on Native lamppod on one, thank you everybody for
following Native Lampod on all of your platforms at Native Lampod.
But a lot of those comments are actually to meet
anti immigrant. So I think there are two conversations. One
is what about us, which I think is always Angela's point,

(15:29):
because Angela, you know, you.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Were quick to say, hey, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
These are people who are also suffering, who are saying
we you know, it looks like some people are leapfrogging
over us, and we need our resources too. Then there's
another bucket of people who are saying, I don't want
these people here. They are replacing the black population. They're
gonna outnumber us, you know, by a certain year, we're
going to be the minorities. And they already the Latino
population already eclipses the black population in terms of eligible voters,

(15:55):
not registered voters, but eligible voters. And there are people
who feel a way about that. That to me is
anti immigrant. And that is also very similar to what
certain pockets of the white population feel about people of
color becoming the dominant population in twenty forty four. I
don't like to hear us talk like that.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
You know what, I think, so real quick on this one.
Eric Adams did mention in his response that this is cheaper.
He said, we have a goal of the twenty percent.
We want to cut the budget on this about twenty percent.
But it is cheaper than what they are spending right now.
Here in America, we don't tend to just let people

(16:34):
languish on the street hungry without having some shelter available
for them to get food. If there isn't permanent overnight
housing for folks of.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
It, they can't because actually mayors, as you know, would
be liable for it.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
You have to have a solution.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Of course, every well the community would demand one. They'd say,
we're tied of these folks laying out on the street.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Absolutely, they're saying, you're putting these people in our neighborhood,
you're closing down.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
So there is an expectation that we will tend to
the problem one way or another. And what Mayor Adams
is saying, he didn't have the luxury of being a
derelict on this. These are issues that are confronting his city,
his community, his constituents, and he wants to address somebody
wants to do it, and frankly, a more cost effective
and cost efficient way. That's what they are piloting. And

(17:24):
the way I used to think about it when I
was a mayor was you're gonna pay one way or another.
You can pay the smart way in advance, so you
can wait and take it up on the back end.
And then you're dealing with incarceration rates, and you're dealing
with arrests, and you're dealing with police dividing their time
between dealing with homeless folks versus real crimes that are
taking place in communities. So these are the kinds of
decisions that are being made, and we should not pretend

(17:46):
that some portion of money wouldn't be going this way anyway.
He's only trying to say, let's do it, and let's
do it in a cost efficient and effective way that
also happens to feed people that.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Also use a black owned business. And to this point,
you were brought up in ti immigrant sentiment. If we
did get a question about the border, there's a contingency
that's still saying build that wall, Like, meanwhile, what wall,
Let's roll that question.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Good morning, family.

Speaker 10 (18:09):
This is big cousin Will Almighty from Saint Louis, Missouri,
and my question is with all the talk of the border,
securing the border, closing the border, border, remain me open.
Why is it America? Don't solve the real problem, the
reason people are running and escaping their lands to come
to America. I believe that will solve the problem.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Right, Okay? Can I just birthday?

Speaker 11 (18:35):
I love this, big cousin, Will, Almighty school day.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
I just want to I want to know what side
of you are. You don't get to decide.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I guess I gotta be doing color complex. We're trying
to bring the black and brown community together here, you're
trying to separate this.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Here.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
High five you too?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Okay, Wow, Wow, anyway, wow, big cousin Will. I love
this question because we kind of got into this last
week because a lot of these policies come from the
United States meddling in Central America. But you worked on
the hill, so I really want to hear your perspective
on this.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
I know we were going along.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
So this is my very brief synapsis synopsis. What I
would tell you is that right now, just like we
talked about last week, Joe Biden has introduced a set
of border principles, told the the gop led Republican a
House to get a bill to him. The Senate is
agreed on set bill, then the Republican said, actually, we

(19:55):
just want to vote on standalone aid for Israel and
what have you. Meanwhile, there's still no solve for this.
So yes, there a border bill needs to be done. Yes,
we need a more humane immigration system. Yes, we need
to ensure that the immigration system accounts for Dreamers. This
bill right now doesn't even account for Dreamers.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
That folks.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Yes, those are folks who were born here to parents
who were undocumented, but they're treated like they're not citizens.
We have to find our humanity in this process. I'm
not saying that black folks should bear the brunt of that.
I'm saying that when you get mad at a migrant
family trying to figure out how to make ends meet,
trying to escape, as this man just said, big will

(20:36):
on my teeth.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Becausin will by the ways, yeah, as he just said,
like they're escaping something.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
And sometimes, as you said last week, those conditions are
those that we created for those neighboring countries.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I just say what I said a couple of weeks
ago on this, which is we keep fighting the wrong enemy.
I get that people are upset when they see new
communities arrive in their communities and seemingly or in practicality
or reality to take jobs that might otherwise be available
to them. But we've still got job shortages all across

(21:08):
the country and jobs that Americans currently are not willing
to fill. They're thus creating the need for a lot
more folks to come in. But the point being, the
economic policies domestically and internationally of this country, but of
the world, is largely what is driving what is happening
around immigration policies. If we were truly trying to solve

(21:30):
the problem, you would go after the employers who are
employing folks who are undocumented and then paying them off
the role, off the script.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Because they benefit from that benefit from it.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
And I was saying, we don't talk about that, but that's.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Where that's where the line of division is. Folks, don't
let us squabble amongst all of us who are just
trying to live, survive, and maybe one day thrive. This
is a fight between that have everything right versus folks
who are just trying to make a life in a
living for themselves. So much of this is misplaced, but

(22:07):
we're allowed to do that because that's exactly how this
debate is supposed to go. That's how it's gone for
all of time in this country, which is you've put
people who are all in need against one another while
the folks who have it all are sitting there watching
the drama play out.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
That's you've coined it perfectly. I know we're running along.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I just want to get one more question, and if
we can, we want to make sure you guys feel
like you're part of the conversation and we'd love getting
all your viewer questions, so please be sure to keep
submitting your viewer questions. We will always take time on
Native Lampod to answer them. But I just want to
get one more question in on this if we can.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Hello, Native Pod.

Speaker 12 (22:43):
My name is Selene. I'm a Bronx girl in Baltimore.
I have a question I was wondering. I know Angela
had mentioned about, you know, steps being made for a
comprehensive black agenda, and I wonder what does that look
like in practice. I have friends from all over the world,

(23:06):
and I am clear that the interests of some Black
Americans and the interests of some people who identify as
black but come from across the diaspora. I feel like
we have a different vested interest in this country. I

(23:26):
feel like Black Americans have allowed all other immigrants to
enter to start their journey in our country as human
That was the price we paid, you know, in blood,
sweat and tears. But I feel like some of that
gets yeah, Okay, it's done. Has that sentiment.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Thank you for that question, Charlene. First of all, I
want to say, welcome home to your poots were in
the background.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
He has some they too.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I love that question exactly, and I'll kick that to
you because this this speaks directly to our girl, Alicia Garza,
who's one of the three founders of Black Lives Matter,
who runs Futures Pack, who did do a comprehensive black
agenda that we try to lift up as much as possible.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yeah, Black Futures Lab, Black Futures.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Lab, and you're calling back to the future action fun.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Thank you and love you.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
She announced she just got a new job the public.
Can we talk about this, okay?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Alicia Garza is now at j m B.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Right, Well, we're gonna have to figure that out. Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I think that she got a new job.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Y'all don't know the job you just.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
We've been talking about, I got.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
I gotta.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Go where she her whole focus will be on building
better infrastructure and funneling funds to grassroots organizations.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Thunder A thunder appreciate.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
All right, But Charlene's question, I think is a legitimate one.
What do y'all have on that?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, well, she's right, she said, black folks have been
I don't know, she didn't use the word eager, but
have welcomed communities who have immigrated into this country seamlessly
and have treated them as human and humane from jomp
And she's right about that. And the sacrifice in service

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that black folks have made to this country, she basically said,
is baked into the pie. Folks are like, yeah, yeah,
that happened, but it was a long time ago, and
she's right to acknowledge that, Yeah it happened. But the legacy, right,
it's tentacles live on today. Our willingness to hold up
the country, to hold it accountable to its truth. It

(25:42):
doesn't ever seem to disappear. What surprises you, Tiffany about
comments from black folks sounding anti immigrant is that's not
how we sound. That isn't who we have been, and
I don't think it's who we are. I don't think
it's who we are, to be truthful about it. I
think it's the penetration of other people's conversations.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Right, thank you, depending on who.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
We are and trying to reshape our character, are our
morals who we are as a people.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Weaponizing communities of color or.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Sure, and it's to their benefit and not ours. So
I'm not going down that road. But I appreciated the
depth of what was in that question and I completely relate.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
I want to switch gears a little bit to the
portion of her conversation that talks about a black agenda.
There was a recent report from the Mackenzie Institute for
Black Economic Mobility, the state of Black Residents, the relevance
of place to racial equity and outcomes. And in this report,

(26:44):
what I think is the most fascinating thing is that
there is a solution, and that's why.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
I'm bringing it up around a Black agenda.

Speaker 5 (26:51):
There's a solution for a one point seven trillion to
a two point four trillion dollar affordable housing plan over
two decades that would help close a racial wealth gap,
particularly around housing and access to housing. That if we
do not implement this one point seven to two point

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four trillion dollar plan, it will take us more than
three hundred and twenty years to close that gaps. And
we've already been here doing that. And I think that
that's the first flag. I think that if we are
not very clear that it is only going to be economics,
it's only going to be dollars and cents that fix
the very significant problems that we have in this country.

(27:34):
We just got to do it. So a few things
from this report. They talk about an urban periphery, which
is essentially the suburbs. Black outcome scores are just sixty
four percent of white outcome scores, so there's still a
significant gap there.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
But what does that mean, like in wealth specifically.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Around housing, Like it's housing, it is safety, it is
access to food, all of these things. They have a
like a whole little table, a handy dandy chart that
I make sure that y'all get to see. But it
talks about everything from the standard of living, the job
like well being, livelihood.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
In these communities. What that looks like.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
So sixty four percent to white folks, there's it says
that less than zero point one percent of the black
population lives in a county close to parody point one percent.
So these numbers are astounding. There are things that we
almost get heartened to them. When when we were talking
about this as we planned for the podcast, one of

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the things that Tiff said to me that struck me
but it's so true, is Okay, we're used to this, though, like,
what's the what's the new data here?

Speaker 4 (28:40):
What's the point? Because we know we're behind.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
But what I like about this is they also gave
a plan for what would close those gaps. And I
think that there are things that the Hill needs to
be considering. Mike Johnson can't do nothing else, maybe you
can figure out a reparation plan for black.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Republican speaker at a house. By the way, we'll see how.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Hold up breath. That the truth is is that the
the the agenda to solve some of the things that
have always been present. We always know what they are
because they're the same agenda that solves these problems for
white folks, which is why they don't exist largely problem

(29:21):
in white communities. Absolutely. And by the way, you know,
a shout out to the book The Some of Us,
which Heavin McGee uh wrote, But she talks about all
of these ideas, whether it be a free uh education,
whether it is the g I Bill of Rights. All

(29:41):
of those initiatives as they came along were widely popular
with what constituency, the overwhelming majority of white folks in
the majority. Where did it change? It changed after the
Civil Rights Act when those same programs would be allowed
and extended to black folks as well. That is when

(30:02):
we began to lose the majority of support in this country.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
It is gover green, gun rights, evergreen, but it.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Is also the reason why these disparities are existing in
the way that they are. If the government did nothing else,
just making sure that home ownership was more accessible to
more of us would be would be a great step
in the right direction, because for most people who own homes,
it is your one beautiful apple of security. You can

(30:34):
borrow against it and then pay yourself back and not
pay taxes on it. You can use it as leverage.
Should your household run into a crisis and you need
something as an emergency, you can lose that as collateral.
If you're starting a business. The abilities that you get
through home ownership are manifold in this society, and it
shouldn't confuse any of us why it is that so

(30:55):
many black folks don't have that same opportunity and access.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Just a point of clarification, because I don't know if
I said it.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
This report isn't just dealing with home ownership though, it's
affordable housing period like even rent.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, even rent is talking about that disparity. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
And a lot of those protections during COVID that had
a moratory on on evictions and foreclosures have since expired.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
So housing security in our community has gotten even.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Worse as the rise of inflation, which is not specific
to any political party, and crime increase, all of that.
But I have questions about this because I do wonder
is home ownership the only path to wealth?

Speaker 3 (31:31):
It is not. I was just trying to give some
of the example.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Yeah, no, I got it of what you get through
that on.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
The on the rental piece. So almost every state has
affordable housing trust funds, and almost every one of them
don't live up to the guarantee of those affordable housing trusts.
In Florida, we have it. It is baking with money
that the Republican legislature borrows against to pay for its
other priorities. It's flush, but they won't build a housing
that the money is intended to be built. And that

(31:57):
is a true statement for state after eight after state,
it doesn't get more secure for most people.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
That's why you have to look at these state legislators.
Who runs the state legislator and know the difference between
that and the federal government, and then you'll start to
see where some of these democratic policies do benefit you,
but maybe your state legislature doesn't.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Right now, Michael Harriet live building.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
We so we are literally live recording our podcast, and
we were told that Michael Harriet, New York Times best
selling author of Black af History was in the building
recording breakfast Club, and so we were like, oh, he
should come by and while we're recording our podcast, Michael Harriet,
Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (32:37):
What's going Welcome.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Our favorite.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I guess.

Speaker 13 (32:46):
I'm crashing like my podcast. I don't even have guests either,
So roll through.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
This is the benefit of being in person.

Speaker 13 (32:54):
Welcome y'all. Just blowing up the internet right now, y'all
like four episodes in and everybody like talking about this
new podcast.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
What do we need to know? What is our community?
To know we're at the top of Black History Month.
What would you leave?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah for Black History Month, I give us a black
bet Yeah.

Speaker 13 (33:12):
Oh that again one of my people who listen to me. No,
I believe South Carolina is the capital of Black America.
Everything that you know about black people and think about
black people, and think about black people in America came
through South Carolina first from the Montgomery Boys Bus boycott

(33:34):
wouldn't exist without South Carolina. The laws against governing the
enslaved were formatted for all of the states because of
a rebellion in South Carolina. So it all everything datespected
except what is it?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Almost what seventy percent of us can trace.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Our Yeah the largest largest Yeah.

Speaker 13 (33:54):
Right, Like everybody came through South Carolina. All your relatives,
ancestors came through South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Wow, I knew, I knew.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
We could just see Michael say, give us a black
history head, be like, here's a black.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
A F history the book. Yet I'm Michael Harriet Black
a F History. The book is.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Amazing, amazing, It's soondents to read, like I read a
little bit every day. It's so I don't want to
finish it. For people, it really does like carry you
through history in a different way. And the interesting thing
about it, Michael, you were not Your mind was not

(34:36):
co opted by a school system that taught you a
different history. So when you hear this stuff, you're like, what,
that's not true. This fantasy of America y'all think exists,
that's not the real history of it.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
You can get it.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I'm not gonna give away the books, so I read it,
but you talk about cannibalism and how this country was founded.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Read the book. That's all I'm gonna say. That is
you came.

Speaker 14 (34:57):
Back, so you don't have to go home, but MI
go Harriet, everybody, thank.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
You, Michael, Harriet.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
This next bill that we want to tell you guys about,
So it's a bill out of Georgia that is run
by a Republican state legislature and this new this is
a new system that could potentially make it difficult for
people of low income to get bail. You guys, i'm
sure have heard all about the challenges around bill reform.
So we want to get into that because we think
that's important. But before we do, we want you to

(35:35):
know what's actually in the bill. So take a listen
to this and we will get more into it. On
the other side, SB.

Speaker 15 (35:41):
Sixty three was a harmful bill that was going to,
as you said, include at least thirty offenses where judges
would be required to set bail, and then at the
last minute it included severe restrictions on charitable bail payments.
It tops charitable bail payments at three per year for individuals, corporations, nonprofits, churches,

(36:04):
as well as charitable bail organizations like US and so
at a time when the justice system is overburdened jails
are overcrowded, to not only ensure that more people will
be subjected to bail and likely unaffordable cash bail, to
also take away the lifeline that charitable bail funds and
other charitable bail payments offer to lowcome individuals is particularly

(36:27):
concerning for Georgians across the state. As I said before,
there's a two tiered system of justice in any cash
bail system, and that's a system where people with money
can be released and people without money can't. And so
it has nothing to do with public safety ultimately. Right
if you and I are arrested and charged with the
same crime, but I have the money in my bank

(36:48):
account to get out and you don't. That's what's going
to determine pre trial liberty, not.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Whether or not you or I pose a risk to
the public.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, So this bail bill, I have to say discipline.
I want to frame this for our viewers and our listeners.
Eighty percent of people in jail right now have not
been convicted of a crime. Yes, unbelievable, unbelievable. More than
ninety five percent of crime is not violent. And for
the number of incarcerated people for pre trial cash bill

(37:19):
has increased four hundred and thirty three percent from nineteen
seventy nineteen seventy to twenty fifteen. And that Khalif Browder,
who we all sadly tragically know, took his life after
this child, this teenager was put in rikers with adult prisoners,
and he talked about his harrowing journey there, not knowing

(37:41):
when violence was going to attack. When they see us
Ava du Verney's brilliant piece of work that was on Netflix.
We have to do something because this disproportionately impacts the
black community.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Everybody but the black community.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
And this is the thing. They did do something.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
Atlanta in twenty eighteen ban cash bill requirements and Georgia
is basically saying, like we know that this was a
bipartisan solution under Governor Nathan Dial, we see some of
the progress, We're gonna reject all of that and go
backwards just to penalize the entities like Color of Change,
for example, our good our good brother Rashad Robinson runs

(38:19):
Color of Change, and they've engaged in programs to help
get people out for holidays, for Mother's Day, for Father's Day.
This bill is now on its way to Brian Kemp's desk,
and I want to challenge him. There are members of
our community you've said that he's a good guy. I
haven't seen it on voter suppression. I want to see
what he does as it relates to to Bell reform.
I'm just saying that that has been the talking point.

(38:40):
So all you brothers and sisters and family members.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Are you brothers who has ab a good guy?

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Brothers and sisters and siblings who say that you know
this is someone who is a decent man.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
I want to see if he's decent when it comes
to ball reform.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Part of this is it doesn't make sense other I mean,
the reason why put it back into its proper category
which is economic. Let's not forget right where where the
bottom line is. Always follow the money, who gets advanced
by this economically, who gets depressed hurt by it economically?

(39:15):
And I think we'll find, you know where the interest
in this whole thing lie. But but for the taxpayer,
if we're just talking to the person who has to
pay for this system, it doesn't make sense for us
to have to pay to incarcerate, for taxpayers to have
to pay to incarcerate people who are nonviolent, who are
there on nonviolent offenses waiting for a court date or

(39:37):
a trial to be set. Thank god, in my case
when I had an indictment, I didn't have to serve
any you know, to go directly out and there was
no bail set and my situation, because there was, it
was a non violent accusation, thankfully proven not true.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Well, can I just say really quickly right there, please
stick around to the end of the podcast because you
were going to get talk about that. Yeah, I'll the
trial and what what he goes to it is a
I mean, this testimony Andrew was amazing.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
So what with us, and I hope fewer to nobody
else has to experience those kinds of things. But in
this situation, you've got people there who as who are
as innocent as I am, as you are, as any
of the three of us or any of our listeners
may be, who are sitting inside four walls experiencing all

(40:23):
the consequences that come from that. And eventually we may
determine whether or not they deserve to be there. But
nobody's gonna pay them recompense they don't get, you know,
no one's gonna pay their attorneys bills. They get nothing.
Lots of devastated and the taxpayer has been on the
hook for it. We've been paying out a pocket for it.
And it just public policy wise, economically for us the taxpayers,

(40:46):
it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
It's just as egregious as you can't get people water
at the polls. There's a thing with Georgia, I said,
this is as egregious this is. You all are trying
to peek lize folks who are trying to stand in
the gap for the least of these.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Again, this is a battle of the haves and the
have nots.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
You gotta choose your side, and black folks, I would
challenge you, you don't have the ability to stand on
the side of the halves because everybody else in your
families that have none.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Right, how about that?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
That is such a good point.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Like when we even as an individual in the family,
when you make it, you don't make it with a
trust fund. You make it with a payroll because you
got to reach back. Because you know, little Jeff, Jeff
want to go to proms, so he ain't got money
for a rental car.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Let's ask cousin tiv Let's ask cousin Angela. Let's ask
uncle Andrew.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
You know, so we are all in the forty five
percent tax bracket. We give our check to the government
and middle aged I would like to have a reparations
text speaking of black I.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Agree with that. Can I guess say really quickly before
we get off this topic. I'm so happy that you
brought up the point about people calling Governor Brian Kemp
a good guy. Please look into this man's background. He
is the face of voter suppression. And so when you
lend your platform rappers, I'm not even gonna name no names.
When you lend your platform to these people and stand
on a stage with them, you essentially are endorsing what
they're doing that might not be your owen, but they

(42:00):
will use your likeness, your image, and they will say,
look at it, I got this one about this one
standing with me. And if you're showing up and not
challenging them on like these kind of policies, it's a
big deal. Bell reform is an issue all across the country.
I because we were talking about bear reforming, you shout
out a rapper. I'm not going to go without naming
killing Mike who is but he's a brother to me.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
I'm gonna say something that you might not like him.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
To have this the win that he had this week
at the Grammys, congrats to sweep in his categories and
to be arrested yes agree or an assault that did
not occur. I think that he can now stand right
in the center of this as an advocate for what
we're talking about, based on the policy recommendations that he
has himself, based on how much he stands ten toes

(42:47):
down for our community. I know that we'll be able
to count on Mike to tell Governor Kemp to do
the right thing. And I and I also just want
to acknowledge his son was on the list forgetting I
believe a kidney transplant and they were able to go
for with that, so best to.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
And we can.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
We can politically disagree with these people, but I don't
think he disagrees on this, Oh no, But I just
mean with him.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
I've had political disagree with him, our sister Joy we
did the show with him before we had disagreements.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
But my point is he's still our brother. I don't
know he's still brother.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
We can disagree as family loves out in the world
we are united, but when we have family talk welcome home, y'all,
we might disagree. So definitely, congrats on the Grammys. Definitely
completely disrespected at the Grammys, being arrested for an assault
right after he won those things.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
But I do think I hope that that reminds him,
not that he needed that reminder because of his friends,
friends in his community to challenge Governor Kimny.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
He has him on speed out.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Not just all of us have an experience that is
extremely true in our community, which is we can be
a ten yeah off of our merit and what we've
earned and the hard work we put in. And when
they decide to come for you, yea, they decide, not
you decide to aggress, they come for you. Yeah, and

(44:06):
they mean to take you out.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Yeah, it's really sad to see.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
So just pay attention to these policies, guys. You know,
of course, you know the First Step Act, the federal
policy that tried to check a very punishing criminal justice
system for our community. It's called the First Step Act
because there needs to be a second Act and a
third Act and the fourth Act. So we'll definitely be
talking about that. I know, police brutality is something that's
really close to all of us, but Angela, you've been
wanting to talk about that for a while, So next
week I think we should probably get into that.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
That would be a good conversation.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
All Right, we're gonna take a really quick commercial break,
but come back with us because on the other side
of this break, we're going to talk about the Super Bowl.
I'll leave you with this teasing question. Did you guys
know that Travis Kelsey invented the fade? Yeah, exactly, I've
been rock exactly. All right, y'all, don't go anywhere. We'll

(44:53):
be right back after this break. All right, Welcome back, everybody.
If you follow me for a while, you know I
am an expert when it comes to all things Sports,
And so we are going to talk about the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Now, I know the.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Audience knows who's playing in the Super Bowl. But for
those people who embarrassingly have no idea who are the.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Teams playing in the Super Bowl? Tell us, well, I
don't want to hog the bikes show.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
I want to be that Micael.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
That would be the Kansas City Chiefs and the San
Francisco forty nine ers and just some people who don't know, embarrassingly,
which team does Travis Kelcey play for?

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Damn you don't know that.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
She wants you to chance, right, I'm trying to give you.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
I'm gonna let you guess. You got a fifty to
fifty shot.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I will say he doesn't play for Kansas City because.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Okay, okay, well who does Mahomes play for Kansas City?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
So Travis Kelcey and Mahomes are the same.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
You know how many people, well our residents sports expert
is checked out for the day.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Ladies and did not know they were on the same team.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Well, here's here's who we do know is on the team.
Taylor Swift. Let me talk about that.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
Yes, so Travis Invade and Taylor Taylor.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Yes he is he didn't.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
It's so nice of you to use brothers did faith.
Let's rote that Travis Chelsea sound where he defends himself
to tips slander slanderss.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
It's absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 16 (46:34):
And to do it, and to do it on February first,
to throw me to the walls like that, that was
messed up.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Man. I don't want anything to do with that one.

Speaker 12 (46:40):
Man.

Speaker 9 (46:40):
I got a good fade if you need it, though.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
It's a two on top of a nice hide.

Speaker 16 (46:44):
The men fame the taper in the back, but I
didn't invent that, I just asked for it.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
I love his awareness.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Yeah, I like that, that awareness from from brother right. No,
he's in the back national from the black women. He
kicked the way you met Taylor.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Awareness.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
But the number two, the number two, The number two is.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I do, But why don't you tell them.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
You can get waves waves?

Speaker 3 (47:15):
He's the number two. So it's not totally off the head,
but it ain't totally on it either.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
All I know is he said, y'all did not try
to drag me this here. Black History shout out to him,
very clear about this. But yeah, I think what's so
fascinating about Travis Kelsey is I ain't paying no attention
to him before this Taylor Swift stuff came out, and.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Now I'm not the only one paying attention.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
They're talking about how the ratings have significantly increased with
demos who are our Taylor Swift fans. And also Kansas
City had higher viewership ratings of the Grammys. So yeah,
there's actually some there's some reciproiity.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Theah okay, My.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Beef with all of this is because the media has
taken this and said Travis Kelsey. Everybody talking about Travis
Kelsey's haircut, as though black folks wasn't rocking his haircut
in the eighties.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
They said, can we have the Travis Kelsey?

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Even before that, but that's when I remember the phase,
and then the swags are when they were like, oh,
let's talk about this Taylor Swift swag surf dance, trying
to get us at Swags.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
I loved you.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
I just have to say, it's a worse indictment of
the people asking the question.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
That he speaking.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Can we yes, can we talk about this the other
thing on the media. So Jim Trotter shout out to you.
He has always held the line and listen when you
are the only we know. It can be challenging the
whole the line, so shout out to people who hold
the line anyway. Jim Trotter held the line a few
years ago in the press conference with Rogers.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Last year, answered asking it everything I think it was?

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Was it?

Speaker 13 (48:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (48:55):
I thought he got okay, maybe dismissed.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yes, okay, Jim.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Trotter, shout out to you. But I do also want
to shout out that he set a legacy because this
year Darren Smith, our host of a radio show at
k l KC radio station, in Trotter's absence, pose this question.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Take a listen.

Speaker 16 (49:17):
So look, I know I'm out of Kansas City. I've
had dreams of maybe you're working for the NFL network
one day. But I'm sorry, but I said, I'm out
of Kansas City. So I've had dreams that work for
the NFL network one day. But be that as it may.
I know that you don't run the NFL media newsroom,
but you do run the NFL, and they answer to
you along with the ticket two owners. After this press conference,

(49:37):
the NFL Media newsroom still employees zero black managers, zero
black copy editors, zero full time black employees. On the
news desk, and you're only full time black employee. Larry
Campbell passed away over the weekend. Now, mister Trotter, Jim
Trotter is not here, you know, for whatever reason, over
the last years, have asked you why that is the

(49:58):
case and for leave that have with the sixty percent
African Americans have played to play the game. And I
know that you're a man of conscious. How does knowing
this sit well with you? You know? And after two years
of being asked this question, why has it not been
any change or any highers in that area?

Speaker 6 (50:14):
Well, I disagree completely, there hasn't been any change. I'm
happy to get your data and share it with our
people and make sure that we get an answer for you.
I don't have all the data. I will tell you
that the first time ever, fifty one percent of our
employees across the league, across the network, across all of
our media platforms, not including players, are either people of

(50:38):
color or women, first time ever. So progress is being made,
and there are areas where we still need to work
and we need still need to improve, whether it's offensive
assistance or maybe people in our media news group. We
will continue to do that and make it significant progress
as we have.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Shout out to Darren's men, my brother, we salute you
the way he asked, I know if you're a man
of conscious. Jim Trotter isn't here for whatever reason. We
heard everything he said.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
And everything he didn't.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, so shout out to him. But that is my
biggest issue, and honestly, I'm sorry. Roger Goodell's answer was
kind of bullshit to me. I I wish that he
would have acknowledged. Listen, I know we do a horrible
job at this and I'm fighting every day. He's beholden
to these billionaire owners, a lot of whom you know,
donate to Republican causes and campaigns. So I have my
opinions about that. But it leads me to this question

(51:29):
to you guys, should we be watching the NFL.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
I'm definitely gonna watch the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
It was hard because I'm a big NFL fan, as
you know.

Speaker 5 (51:38):
I can tell I thinking Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes
play for for a different team. But but I know
you probably will watch. I'm a watch usher, But I
think I think that this is the point. Roger Goodell
doesn't sound any different than most fortune one thousand CEOs.
He doesn't sound any different than most medium sized businesses.
He doesn't sound any different from folks who are cabinet secretaries.

(52:02):
And this Biden administration certainly doesn't sound any different from
Trump administration officials.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
Why am I saying that this.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
Isn't the We can't put all of white supremacy at
the foot feet of Roger Goodell, but we can certainly
put some of it. They have made some changes, but
what they do Andrew and you said, this is the
conflation of black and women or black Asian, you know,
Latino and women, Black Native American, Latino and Asian and women.

(52:30):
And there's always like if we can put everybody in
this same bucket, just like they did with the Permative
Action policy, then somehow it'll look better. But you're denying
the fact that white women are most often married to
white men. So that means the very white supermacist culture
that we're supposed to be trying to get rid of
is continuing to benefit, even from the programs that are

(52:51):
there to help us. So yes, there do need to
be real answers here, and know this was not a
good one, and he should have been prepared because He's
been asked this for several years.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I also want to say, in the area of press media,
who is talking, who is speaking for you, speaking for
your players and movement, It matters to have diverse press
and communications rooms. Different people hear things differently and experience
life differently. One of my biggest frustrations when I ran
for governor was that the entirety of the press corps

(53:20):
political press corps in our state was white and white
male majority. Right, So, if you're talking about my race,
my lived experience, what kind of policies we've accomplished that
make me ready for this office, and you're not willing
to get into the weeds and what my record was
or the experiences that I come from. You can't dare
translate who I am to your reading public. You can't

(53:42):
do it. You can try, but you're going to miss
the mark almost every time. So his question was really specific.
Didn't answer the specificity of that question. He answered writ large,
and in answering writ large, you do what Angela has
already talked about, which as you pull in every number
that can potentially make you look better. Now let's delve deeper.

(54:03):
He says, sixty percent of your players are black.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
I think it's close to seventy.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Well, he said, I'm just going from what the.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Question, But I do you think the data is what?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
As I look that it may be so simply represent
us at the rate that we represent you.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
That's it. That's it, full stop.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
Yeah, okay in all these industries, yes, start first, you're
watching the NFL.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Yes, I'm watching halftime.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Because do y'all want to say, real quickly, what's what
y'all want to hear us?

Speaker 3 (54:28):
You perform so everything?

Speaker 4 (54:30):
My favorite ib A group baby.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Well he actually references our our group chat in one
of his songs, what do you say? He says, I
keep a dollar worth of dimes.

Speaker 13 (54:43):
Shout out.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
A couple of on that one around here? You get
a dime?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
All right?

Speaker 5 (54:58):
I am what I've ignored, Andrew Rude.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
I love, I love hearing from the viewers.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
So I if we have time, I know we got
a lot of your questions in off the top, but
how do we feel about taking a few more of
your questions?

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Okay, good, good, good? All right?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Who we got?

Speaker 17 (55:20):
What was good? Native Lampard, I'm Larry and I'm from Dallas.
But I did want to know whether or not you
guys are going to talk about inside of trading. I mean,
tens of millions of dollars have been made obviously with
public knowledge. You know, lawmakers outperform the stock market fifteen
percent a year on average. Maybe somebody wanted to bring

(55:41):
that up.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Thank you Larry for that question. We love, We love
your love, brother, Thank you for weighing in. I want
to kick this to Angelo because you just for those
who don't know, if you haven't followed Angela's career, she's
not just a beauty, but she was the executive director
of the Congressional Black Caucus for some years, but also
worked in a few offices before you had that position.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
So what say you?

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Yeah, I would just take this from the political standpoint first,
It is definitely illegal for any member of Congress, any
elected official, to engage in insider trading, as it is
for everyone. But there are also ethics rules that require
you to disclose stocks where you have investments, etc.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
I believe in a couple of years back, there was yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
In New York Times, they had a report on the
ninety seven members of Congress who reported trading in committees
where these particular companies were a part of their jurisdiction.
So I think it still is problematic. If I'm being
honest with Larry, I would say on a scale of
one to ten, this issue of importance to me is

(56:42):
about a point zero zero zero three, just because I have.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Other things that I'm concerned about right now.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
But I do want to flag that it is an
issue that politicians have to be aware of and have
to disclose on their ethics reports every year.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, maybe we should just know more about financial news too. Yeah,
a lot of black folks got took on that cryptocurrency
market and know that it's changed, so we should this podcast,
maybe we'll talk more about that. Said, make it, make
it a seven, make it well, do something for us
to discuss, because I don't know anything about it. So
I'm happy that you were here to answer the question.
All right, I think we have time for one more.
That was a quick answer, so Nick, give us another question.

Speaker 8 (57:16):
Hi, a Native Land podcast. My name is Chris Jones.
I have a question pertaining to the black vote. We
have many large cities with a large black population, such
as Houston, Texas, Memphis, Tennessee, and Miami that are in

(57:38):
very conservative states. And my question is, why don't we
get our politicians to change to the popular vote, especially
in the presidential election instead of the electoral college. And
if we did that, I feel like our black vote
would actually count more.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
What are your thoughts, Well, I just want to make
a quick I'm gonna kick to see you, Andrew. But
I don't like to term the black vote because we're
not a homogeneous voting block, and we have to consider
that we are not always talking about federal policy, and
when you get to some of those ballot initiatives and
state and local politics, our votes can fracture. We don't
always feel the same way. So I think he's askeding

(58:22):
about black voters. What are you saying?

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, so sometimes those can be converged that our black
interest in our black votes or to go along the way.
I want to thank you for the question, but in truth,
it will require constitutional amendment to change the way in
which our president is elected. It is not popular vote

(58:44):
in forms the electoral college. The electoral college is then
supposed to represent the interests of the popular vote. However,
Donald Trump and what led to twenty the revolt by
he and his followers was in contradiction of how the
electoral college was supposed to initially initially initially work. All

(59:09):
that to say, it's going to be pretty hard to
change the constitution. So I have another suggestion, which is
we can do another great migration. You all recall the
Great Migration. My good friend doctor Kinnisher Grant wrote a
great book about the Great Migration. But when we fanned
out from the South and made our way further north
and further west, we lost a lot of density in

(59:33):
southern states, where a lot of the overrepresentation of the
electoral College towards the Republicans still exists. In fact, it thrives.
So if y'all could come on home, welcome home. I'm
still in the South. Yeah, y'all want to come back
and join us, then there's a way in which to
impact the electoral college more holy and see whether or not.

(59:53):
If then Republicans or the majority get an appetite to
change the electoral.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
College, we'll be back to accounting. And and the bars
is so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah, yeah, well there, Well Florida, I mean, they essentially
tried to reinstitute a poll attacks after amendment for a
past Grant was formally incarcerated people to write to vote
wells still still exists.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
That's right. So anyway, reverse migration. That's my solution.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You know, that's a good point for a lot of
state convention.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Imagine if all of us moved to Jackson, Mississippi, the
Republican governor, their tate reeves would have some challenges there.
He wouldn't exist, they would he wouldn't be were Yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 18 (01:00:27):
A lot of the Alabama, Georgia, parts of Florida to
receive Yeah, uh uh, I mean you name it all
across the South where black folks have significant numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
But unfortunately they're not at parody. We're certainly not the majority,
and we don't show up that way electorally. Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
I love his question because I think the last four
or five elections haven't been decided by the popular vote,
but the electoral.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
College, and separate to the popular vote.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
If there were democratic governors, there also wouldn't be these
migrant crises in the cities in the in the North
Earth either.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Ye, just saying to because we wouldn't be shipping She's
saying that because Governor Abbott and Sanda has been shippings
off to what they call liberal cities.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
So, except, just to make the point clear, Florida didn't
actually get it to migrants from Florida. He went to Texas, recruited, Yeah,
migrants in Texas, put them on a plane, pay for
the plane, sent them to Martha's vineyard, political stunt with people.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
So then nobody say, how come they put me on
a free plane?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Right, nobody, you didn't take people from Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
All right, let's take a really quick break because I
want you all to stick around on the other side
of this. Andrew, we are going to hear the rest
of your testimony.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
This is pre tape.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
This is what Andrew shared last week, but because it
was so dense, we we want to make sure that
you hear his entire testimony. So don't go anywhere after.
Right after this break, Andrew will talk about what happened
after Miami. His next harrowing challenged the trial.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I get a call and I'm at my home office
and the very week after this Sunday of Father's Day
where I try to be the model of a father
you can imagine in this period of time, and the
call comes through and it says, this is agent you
know such and such and I calling on behalf of

(01:02:44):
the FBI, or of government, federal government, and I need
to get with you because we got a what is
it called, a sealed grand jury indictment of you on
however man accounts, he says, and I'm not remembering all
this at the time, and we need to. We need to.
We just know where you are so you can surrender yourself.

(01:03:08):
And I'm in my house and I'm standing up because
my heart rate is gone up when I hear him
introduce himself, and so I'm pacing. And when he says,
I have this indictment and we need to I had
never experienced a breathless moment that I can recall, and
I remember not having oxygen, but because he was doing

(01:03:29):
the talk and I wasn't worried about him hearing me
lose my breath because I was determined that he wasn't
going to see me weak. So he says what he says,
and I say, okay, let me get in touch with
my attorney. But I'm at my house. My address. I
can give it to you if you let me know
when you're ready to write it down. I can surrender

(01:03:50):
myself right now. I just need to make sure everyone's
gonna be able to pick up my kids today, because
the kids and I need to call my mom so
she would be help arch it because she's gonna be
overwhelmed to what I call to tell her this. But
with every strength that I have, I say, Okay, we'll

(01:04:13):
get it. And then he says, well, you don't need
to come come in. We just need to negotiate a
time and when you can do it. And da da
da dah. Because I've never had this happen before. I think,
if you get a thing and they say you gotta go,
I'm like, well, I'll put on some comfortable clothes and
i'll get down to the I don't know, jail house
or wherever. And he says, no, no, no, no, no,

(01:04:38):
call your lawyer. He'll get in touch with us, and
so on and so forth. So he was so jubi
late to deliver that news to me, and I guess
I confused it when I said, Okay, I'll come right
in as soon as I can get just want to
pick my kids up and I can I can get
somebody here to be here for my wife. And I
hang up and I make a call to my lawyer.
They start doing whatever they do on their side, and

(01:05:00):
then I make the call to r J and I
say to Jay, first, Jay, try to stay calm. But
I just got a call from I think the FBI
or somebody saying that I have to surrender myself for
arrest for a federal crime, a grand jury, a sealed

(01:05:27):
grand jury indictment. And she says, what you know, and
you can imagine on the other end with what that
what that's like. And she immediately comes undone, which was
my worry. And I don't want her driving across town,
racing here to the house because her safety, her life,
was most important to me at the time. And she

(01:05:52):
makes her way home and we all this stuff begins
to unfold, and I'm really not at this point letting
any of it penetrate, except there are things that must
be put in place if I'm going to be away.
This needs to say. I start writing on all my accounts.
I start this is saying where money and retirement? And oh,

(01:06:17):
I thought, such as I said, this document, but I
want to make sure you have everything you need in case.
And they said, so we've arranged you're going to surrender
tomorrow morning. I don't know eight o'clock nine o'clock, and
you'll go first to the FBI offices, surrender to them.
They'll take you into custody, take you to the courthouse

(01:06:38):
in their car, and at the courthouse they will surrender
you to the US Marshals or the court or something
some transition and pass off. Then you'll see the judge.
The judge will likely release you on your own recount.
There's not a violent crime, but blue collar all this

(01:06:58):
kind of stuff. So they're going through it, but just
be prepared. They may purp walk you. I was like, well,
what is that? And they described for me that's when
the cameras are already assembled and they've got you booked
and they walk you through them. And I just lose
it on that because I'm saying, well, why do we
have to do that is they're not a private way in.
Why do we have to, you know, do this walk thing.

(01:07:21):
And they said, well, this is how they beat their
chest and show off about what, you know, what they've done,
and get to have the images that they want. And
I am just you know, devastated by this. And at
this point I said, I need to I need to
tell my fami. I've ether tell the people who I
know to be ready for what this is going to
look like. And it was actually Angela who pulled together

(01:07:42):
a call and hers was going to be of journalists
because her thought was, you tell people news when you
know it is imminent and it's coming, rather than waiting
for it. And Tiffany, you were on that call. I
remember you. I remember your voice very clearly in my
ear even now as I think about it, because you
were like the injustice. The next morning, I have that evening.

(01:08:06):
I say to my wife r Jay, and I say
to my mom who is now here, and some other
relatives who have gathered that when I surrender myself, that
I don't want them to be there, that I was
telling them that tomorrow you cannot come, and everything was
gonna be fine. The lawyers told me they'll let me
out and I'll be home before the kids get out

(01:08:27):
of school probably, and I said, I'm gonna go by myself.
I'll have Sam drop me off. I'll take it from there.
When it's all done. Sam's gonna bring me back, you know,
bring me back home, and then we'll decide what to
say to the kids. And they, of course are like, no,

(01:08:48):
we have to be with you, but they honored my request.
And then my pastor speaks up and he says, well,
I'm going with you too. And then my friend, who's
a school board member but a very close friend, Daryl Jones, says,
and I'm going to I'm Yama bear where both of
them We're gonna be with you. So the next morning
they show up at my house and my attorney, one
of the attorneys from Miami, is here, and the pastors here,

(01:09:10):
and we all pray together at the house. And I
am trying to be as stoic as I can be,
because I want to leave my family with the knowledge
that I was fine, that we're gonna beat them, and
that God has prepared me for this fight. I know it.
I'm gonna beat them. I get in the car, the

(01:09:31):
pastor and I talking and whatnot, and and I'm noticing,
you know, I live, you know, probably thirty minutes from
that where their headquarters were. And we drove in that
morning talking and he was trying to cite Scripture in
verse and I was hearing him, but I was playing along.
I was not present. I was like, don't cry, keep
your face together. You are not going to show weakness.

(01:09:52):
To anybody not today. And we get to their offices.
My pastor with me, Darryl comes in with me to
the FBA offices. I surrender myself into them. They take
some things off of me, and I can't remember. I
think it's my license and some other stuff, and I

(01:10:14):
can't have anything on my person. No phones know this.
I'm wearing a suit, but I've got to take the
belt off and all this other stuff. And so I
get right they take me into custody, and I'm thinking,
this is where I leave Pastor and Darryl. They've brought
me to where I have to whatever. And they said,
all right, we're gonna follow you and we're gonna see
you at the courthouse. And I said okay, And I'm
thinking to myself, I don't know if they're gonna be

(01:10:35):
allowed to I don't know what that looks like. They
got me to the courthouse. The thing that I had
girded myself up to prepare for was this perk walk.
But some people from that call the night before knew
that that was a big concern of mine, and somehow,
in God's grace and good movement, I was able to

(01:10:56):
be surrendered underground and go up and so on and
so forth, which I counted as a really big blessing
because I didn't want my parents there and my family there,
because I didn't want them to see me every I
didn't want to see me in handcuffs and then to
have to be surrendered in that, and I know that
there will be pictures. I didn't want my kids to
see a picture. I didn't want them to see a

(01:11:21):
picture of me like that. And so I knew in
the federal court, I knew enough from them prepping me
for the press that they couldn't have cameras in the courtroom.
They could have some images that they draw, but there
were no there was no technology. So I felt like, Okay,

(01:11:44):
I'd be safe once I'm in. Well, there's a holding
celle that I go in for several hours and then
they come in to get me, and this time they
are they are the marshals are are are cuffing me different.
Now they have put cuffs around my legs and then

(01:12:09):
there's a big chain that goes up to my waist.
That is a big chain and it's cuffed, and then
my hands have handcuffs. But then those handcuffs have this
this chain going through it and then that's cuffed again,
so my movements are very limited my walk and I'm thinking, say,

(01:12:31):
you know, criminal, it's this like there's a lot of stuff.
We're just going to the judge and the agent's young
girl kind of guys, and I say, well, I guess
this is as close as I'll ever get to chat
old slavery. They have a hum, but they don't speak
any words.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
That testimony, Andrew, Thank you so much. We love you
and you this podcast has been a joy, I think
for all of us to do alongside you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
So just simply thank you all for the support. You
all held me down, not just on this podcast but
all the way through. And thank you all the listeners
for your feedback, for your testimonies that you've shared personally
and keep choosing to move Yeah, and move.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Well because you said so much, there's still more that
you guys did not hear of his testimonies. So, because
we think it's so special to us because we love you,
but also special to you guys because you guys got
to know Andrew over the past couple of decades, we
are releasing his third part of his testimony as its
own standalone pod because your response.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
To your response to it was overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
So you guys will be able to get that on
this coming Monday. Okay, it is that time in the
show for call to action. Do I go first or Andrew?
Maybe Andrew you should go first.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
You a man, You don't know what your call action is?

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
What is no?

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
I got my call to action?

Speaker 5 (01:14:15):
Okay you go, Okay, come on, it's my call action,
joy Read.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
So my called action really is about love.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
By the time we come back to you, guys, Valentine's
Day would have come and gone. And so when we
do all this work, all of us, we are out
here hidden pavement, doing grassroots work, doing policy work. And
it is nice to have a partner in life. You
talk a lot about our day and your testimony, but
to have somebody alongside you hold your hand and fall

(01:14:47):
in love. And joy Read explore that aspect of Medgar
and Evers. And she has her book drops this week.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
It's out, it's out, it's out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
So she did the view with our girl Sonny on Monday.
She did tammeron show. So please go out and buy
this book. You can get it everywhere books are, So
we encourage you to go to your independent bookstores, black
owned bookstore. Shout out to Uncle Bobby's in Philly, mark
lemont Hills store. You can order it online from independent stores.
So that's my call to action. I'm asking Edgar and Meg.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And some love in your life.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Your first.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Love yourself first. That is my lesson this. We love
yourself first, all right, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Love yourself and go get the book.

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
Okay, So I'm just going to add on I love yourself,
go get the book. And in the spirit of loving
Black History Month, we are sitting with living Black history.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
What are we doing?

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
Well, you knocked her out, but guess what we are
celebrating Tiffany Cross Week all week.

Speaker 18 (01:16:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
And so my call to action is for all of
you to send our girls some birthday love. Tell her
happy birth Tell her.

Speaker 5 (01:16:10):
Just because she is sharing forty five with Donald Trump,
she does not have to become Donald Trump. Tell her
that her destiny is going to be greater than hers
and she will not have ninety one indictments or even one.
Tell her that she will not face a civil trial
for defamation. Tell her that instead she will live abundantly
in all of the goodness.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
And loaded we love you.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
Tip I wanted to shave Donald Trump in this, but
I do want to say. I do want to say
that I'm so grateful for your birth I am so
grateful to call you sister. I'm so thankful to share
this platform with you. I am so glad and grateful
that your latter years will be greater than your former years.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
And yeah, birthday tip.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
This birthday, I'll display quickly, this birthday would not be
what it is without our friendship. All of you guys,
I will say, are we love everybody?

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Our girl group?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Our group chat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Has held me up so many times, and so I
really encouraged people to find you sisters. Who ride for you?
Who you ride for Because when I think about love
in my life, the most abundant places where I get
love is our our group chat. You know, like either,
I mean, you can't post a picture without them saying
you so fine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
You know, we are always loving to other birthdays.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
We give nice gifts to each other, so I feel
very loved. I expect to feel a lot more love
from you and you when we go eat after this.
You have been talking about my gray hair.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Well, pointing out I got grace everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Yes, well, Andrew hate my headphones. I'm gonna get her
some airpos for her birthday.

Speaker 4 (01:17:47):
Birthday, yea, some airpris.

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
We change the size.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
I don't like. I don't like this change. Oh you're
saying for the airpis. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I like that chain. Well anyway, We.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
We love you J.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
We love you ur J.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Before we end the show, I want to remind everyone
to leave us a review and subscribe to Native land Pod.
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We are Angela Rie, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillum. Welcome home, y'all,
Welcome home. There are two hundred and seventy days until
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