May 16, 2025 • 20 mins
Hosts Angela Rye, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillum are no strangers to Fox News telling lies. Recently, Fox misrepresented and subtly mocked Mayor Ras Baraka for comparing himself to the biblical figure David while on stage for Angela Rye’s State of the People tour.
Angela’s not sure if she should be upset about it and is looking to her hosts for advice. Should we care about what the lying made-for-the-comfort-of-white-audiences news says? Or are we better off ignoring them?
Here is the piece that Fox wrote up: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-newark-mayor-compares-self-biblical-hero-wake-ice-protest-arrest-this-our-david-moment
And the video clip that they pulled from: https://www.youtube.com/live/G6W67LIzAE4
Find out more about the State of the People tour: https://stateoftheppl.com/
If you’d like to submit a question, check out our tutorial video: www.instagram.com/reel/C5j_oBXLIg0/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well Come, well come, well come, well come, well come.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
In this house.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
I guess that's how we're starting it is.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yes, there's some hoes in this house, but not on
this podcast. Welcome home everyone. We are thrilled to be
with you here. They'll to be with you today. We
are talking about what are we talking about again?
Speaker 6 (00:28):
We're talking about So this week on the podcast, Angela
was incensed because Fox News ran a story Surprise Surprise,
that was misrepresenting what happened at the State of the
People tour, and she was getting upset about it, and
I'm like, who cares, Like, ninety four percent of their
audience is white, they're conservative people, and she's like, but
they get all the numbers. So that got into a
(00:50):
conversation should we care about what they're thinking, what they're doing?
And Angela brought up the point that sometimes our black outlets,
mainly social media, will take a story from Fox News
and use their language and everything and run it, which
again they depend on y'all to do. So I just thought, Oh,
(01:11):
that's a good conversation. One do we same on the
outlets that do that because y'all are part of the problem.
Maybe y'all don't know any better. But also, should we
care what white folks think? Should we be talking to
white people? And should we care what they think? That's
the question on the table. I got my thoughts, but
I'll let you you say yes, Andrew.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Should we care what white people think?
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And should we care what they watch because it shapes
how they feel and then how they move and how they.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Act, and because that can impact us. Yeah, I do care.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Now, now I don't. I don't make it. So I'll
give you this example. Miss, what is it most wanted America?
Most wanted?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I was, because I'm liable to say a lot other
different things, right, But but I would I would get
really upset in my local paper because they would put
pictures of last night's arrest and it almost always seemed
to be like just a parade of black faces. And
maybe I just only saw the faces that were black,
I don't know, but it was really pronounced to me,
(02:19):
and the cop shows that all the run in is
happen to always be with black people.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And I'm thinking white people know where you know, create crime.
They don't do any crimes. And that that.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And we wonder why people clutch their purse, you know,
when a black man is approaching or walking past. Now,
my wife is great because she does the exact opposite, right,
like she sees somebody, she's grabbing her person, hitting the
alarm on the car to say, you know, you're not
safe as far as I'm concerned. But that stuff starts
to shat, imagery begins to shape exactly how we are
(02:52):
perceived and how we get interacted with. When when their
excuse for every black person who has a job of
any import is that they got it because they were
black and.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Mildly qualified, but not all the way.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
That's because it's being shaped by a whole narrative that
they're being fed day in and day out. That says
a thing, now, mind you, I think it undergirds what
they probably, you know, at a very base level level think.
But nonetheless, if we don't have disruptors to that, if
there is never a counter narrative, then we got a
(03:29):
whole bunch of folks out here walking around with a bowl,
you know, a big old bag of falsehoods as a
lens by which we get viewed through. We can't help
it always, y'all. In fact, I think we can help
it very little, but that doesn't mean we.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Don't try well.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And this is the thing, right, I like, I think
Tif and I have talked about this. Tiff used to
go on Fox News, and so, Tiff, I'm actually curious
for you what changed in your thinking because there was
a point where you were like, Oh, I'm gonna go
on here and least at least and maybe I'm projecting,
but I'm thinking you're like, I'm gonna go out here
and make sure there's somebody on here telling y' all
the truth and versus now where you like, forget you
(04:07):
hoes not hosts.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah, yeah, so nothing changed I did. I used to
do Fox News twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I used to
do Harris Faulkner her show and maybe some maybe some
other shows. I would be honest why I went on
those shows. I don't want to say our friend who
gets mad every time I mentioned his name on air,
(04:32):
but uh, I'm saying it. Albert he was. But it
was great training ground because I had been a producer,
executive producer all that before, but being on camera and
so he would antagonize me and interrupt me, and be
nasty to me and rude to me, and you know,
poke holes at every point I made, and just be
(04:53):
obnoxious because his point was if you can handle that,
He would prepare people on Capitol Hill, like the Benghazi
hearings like that was in his work portfolio, so he
would handle me the same way. And his point is
if you can handle that, then you should be able
to handle any platform. And so he thought, like you
should go on Fox News and do some of their programming. Now,
(05:14):
I will say that was like right at the beginning
of the Trump administration, and my ignorance and perhaps a
little bit of naivete at that time is I did
not know how bad things would get. I thought that
there would be a time where we could all at
least agree on basic facts. And at that time I
(05:36):
did not look at, or view or experience Fox News
as the danger that they are now. They were always just,
you know, a problematic network and you know, right wing network.
But I do think they shifted as they got emboldened
during the Trump administration to something that I couldn't do.
So I did it a few times, and I stopped
doing it, and I will say Harris Faulkner took me
(05:59):
to lunch because I refuse to do the network after
like maybe five appearances, because every time I did it,
I would be flooded with very specific death threats and
not just like you know, I always call it a niggers,
I'm gonna kill you nigger. Even some of the emails
were like America's not racist.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
For sure, for sure, but you convinced me.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
You convinced me, But.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
They're not racist, you dumb. I mean they literally you
get off.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But your brain is smaller, like they literally they love
to send over like, oh, but you're not racist.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Just starting specific in the sense of like I'm going
to rape you or I'm gonna watch you get raped
and just things. And then they started not only attacking me,
but anybody who followed me. You know, this is when
I was like so active on Facebook, and they would
like go on my mom's page, my friend page, and
it just didn't seem like a good use of time.
(07:04):
So that's my own journey. But I think in terms
of viewership, you know, some people say like, oh, we've
got to know what both sides are thinking, and you know,
I just wonder. Sometimes when we give oxygen to something,
we make it bigger than what it is. And so
(07:24):
if you know, if one person is screaming in the
air on Fox News that you know Tiffany Crosses, like
you know Tiffany cross is running holes on K Street.
You know, Like I don't know how many people, Well
you brought up.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You brought it up, sir and alone, and I said
host in the audio back.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
But it's like, yes, be sure to you get to
understand the the whole perspective.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Of the whole, the whole perspective, the whole entire and
Andrew is silent and Fox News just carry right.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
So I don't know, I like I do think sometimes
when you give things oxygen, it becomes bigger, like you're
introducing it and it's like people you're looking at a
car wreck, and it's like, stop looking at it, Stop
giving them our eyes, stop giving them our viewership, stop
giving them free promo.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But I you know, Andrew, what you.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Said is kind of said that they're going to run
it on rotation anyway.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
But what you said is like what we kind of
have to care about what they're thinking about, because that's
going to inform how they feel, So maybe yes, which
is which is? And that can be dangerous to our
physical person. It can be our violence to our physical person.
It can be structural violence to our lives. So I
get that point. So maybe I should adjust that and
say I don't care about foxes, like I don't want
(08:55):
to subject myself to seeing those things, because, like Angela,
the re action, like your visible reaction to seeing it
is how I feel inside. But it's not just Fox.
That's how I feel inside when I read the papers,
It's how I feel when I watch BBCC and and
all of it. It's like the chaos of today. So
I have to choose my piece. And it's like, I'm
not going to volunteer to go look at Fox or
(09:16):
talk about Fox because that is just foolishness and you know,
not worth my time, and it's just going to add
inks to me. But quite honestly, everything is added inks
to me these days.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
But I don't know, Yeah, Angela, how do you handle it?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I was gonna say we had a whole, and then
I thought about how again it is just so tragic.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I'll never be able to say handle no.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
But I said we had a whole, and I was like, oh,
we had a whole We had a whole conversation at
the State of the people think about not letting Fox
come in, like the whole. So a part of what
I was reading, I was like, now, how did they
even get this? So maybe they just you know, picked
up or saw the stream, but I was just like
we there was there were they were clamoring to get
cameras in there, and you knew it wasn't because they
(10:07):
wanted to spread relief, to ensure black people got relief
at the event.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
And I didn't let him.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
A part of no, I don't believe somebody might have,
but we had a whole conversation about we don't want
them in here because the intention is not right.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
It's not to even cover, you know, without bias.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It is to try to catch the mayor up and
something we knew that was going to be the case.
He showed up in his official capacity, not as it
wasn't a rally for him as governor. It wasn't a
rally for anyone running for office.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
This was an it was a black flag burning. Uh.
I mean that's how they That's how they handled right today, Just.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So we're super clear, because they keep being sarcastic on
these podcasts. It was an event so people could feel
empowered at a time where our hope is being stolen
from us every single day.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
And I just think that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
To go from the morning conversations we're having about the
best way to get relief to Newark residents and then
for them their takeaway for it to be this when
there were gun violence prevention workshops and all of these
incredible things going on, how to mobilize people, how to
you know, help folks who are homeless, how to help
pay utility bills?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Like why are y'all even on this? And I think
that the reality of it is tip to your point.
There are so many.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
People who are clearly watching Fox who sit in those
same income brackets of the people that were trying to help.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And the real aully.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Here should be the poor folks who are black and brown,
because there are so much more in common then there
is difference, and they can't see it because they want
to be cloaked in their whiteness in ways that will
make them feel more comfortable, even if that means ignore
my nightmare and let me strive for this dream that
is completely out of reach, but it would be in
(11:57):
reach if I just was in coalition with these poor
black and brown people.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's like I wish for the life of me that
we could cut through because I know our intention is
so good. Like this isn't about going viral or creating
space for people in leadership or trying to get somebody
more found.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
This really is about the ray Lewises of the world.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Or Kenya Kenya at the event who talked about living
in a motel who regularly brings food to the other
elders who are in this motel.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
So she is unhoused and she.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Volunteered with us from seven am to seven pm.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
But don't nobody.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Wants to tell that story because that's not clickbaitable enough.
You'd rather like go on here and say, oh, Mayor
rest called himself David, I wonder who the glith.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Is, bisch, We know who the glithe is. We are
not confused.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You are feigning confusion because that gets you the clicks.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
And about the mayor, respectfully, I would click on, well
you would, but.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You got some sense, You got morals, and you have compassion,
tif and you got empathy. You got a convergence of
all things that make you beautiful before we even get
to your lashes, honey, right like you know, so I'm
like this is and we and not the whole lashes
and you're just lashes snuff.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I don't call the kids lashes whole lashes.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I even saying, I didn't say anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I'm just saying to keep the holes out of this. Yes,
I'm just saying, or maybe bring them in. Actually bring
them in, bring the holes into this conversation because the welcome.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, welcome, yeah, because maybe the news they need. Honestly,
we really are let me, sex workers is really what
I'm talking about? Sex workers?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And got that technical, I know, but I was and
that was host That's all I said.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
And I thought he said what he said, I are
you whole?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Just trying to I'll say this point that's on point, which.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Is I don't think that other minority groups who who
should be in common cause with us, like in real life,
in common cause with us, are going to find common
cause until they determine that the approximate value for coalition
with US is greater than their approximate closeness to whiteness
(14:31):
and what whiteness brings in society.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
And I don't think any group is going to find
residents or residents with our cause, even no matter how
common you know, we share it, until they determine that
being closer to that group will advantage me in society
more than being close to that group. And right now,
(14:53):
in every way, shape and form, society reinforces that your
approximation and proximity to whiteness, if you can claim it,
will bring you greater access, more power, more money, more
ways to maneuver in society than being with that group.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And I just think at every level it has to
be disrupted. It's one of the things I wanted to
ask the mayor, but I know we had a lot
to try to get to cover. Is he's got a
large Hispanic population that he's got to appeal to the
in the state as he faces a general election. And
as you know very intimately, Angela and and TIF peripherally
(15:33):
peripherally for you, is that certainly in a state like Florida,
the ways in which you are going to talk about
a detention facility that may be illegally housing those who
don't have proper paperwork in this country is going to
land differently. Talking to Hispanics or folks from Latin American
countries here, then maybe it will in New Jersey because
(15:56):
they don't want to be approximate to an immigrant who
is he or without papers.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And we got to get yousolation. It wants to be
close to those who would be.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Enforcing the laws against people who are here without papers. Yeah,
so I just I think it's a difficult formula. But
I do think on the base at the most basic level,
when we have to ask ourselves these questions, why aren't
we in greater coalition, we are dealing with the same stuff.
They want both of us down under their under their
knee at every you know, at every competition.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
And you got to consider New yor Riecans. Puerto Ricans
in New York are different than Cubans in Florida are different.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Multiple generations in Cary.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Is different than Mexicans in la like there are. So
you have to disaggregate this. Because the white man came
along and say, okay, we call on y' all Hispanics,
that doesn't mean that this is all the same group
of people. So we just I don't know, I'm concerned
about about our ours.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
They incentivized toward the same outcome.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I wanted to tell y'all since we were supposed to
be talking about press a little bit, I just want
to say one thing that I have been really shocked
to hear consistently is how many people tune into our
podcast to get correct political information and marching orders about
what to do next. And I think that's really anyway.
(17:23):
I thought we were in the clear. I thought we
were in the freak. I thought we were in the clear. No, what's.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
We'll do it live. We'll do it.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Livetering off the tracks.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Almost underground or overground round right if there wasn't tracks,
lest am I right?
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Drama about that made a plaint about how like people
tune into us and on legacy media, mainstream media. They
constantly played clips from like Kara Swishers podcast and like
Joe Rogan's podcast, and we have had during DNC, we
had guests that nobody else had on this show. We
(18:09):
have insight and opinion and thought that it just doesn't
matter to them, you know, like it really just doesn't.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You're in their competition and not their compliment.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
But those other people are their competition, and they they
what matters to them is white thought they center. Oh,
I see what you're saying, Andrew, because they maybe no
book like Karro Swisher gets numbers, like there are other
people who get numbers, and it's like when they say something,
it's like, oh, let's play this sound bite from this who.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Gives a shape numbers and service the podcast.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
So that's fine.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
So boring people's podcasts I don't care about.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
I said that, so I shouldn't say that. But like
even pod Save America, no this to them. But even
like people talk about their podcast and I'll listen, and
I don't know that I have heard some great insights
from voices. Sometimes it can come across a bit monotonous.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Well you just need to give greater approximation to white
people clearly.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
All right, So I don't know what's happening here today,
but all of the post, we're gonna go.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well Come, well come, well come, well come, well come.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
In this house.
Speaker 5 (00:15):
I guess that's how we're starting it is.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yes, there's some hoes in this house, but not on
this podcast. Welcome home everyone. We are thrilled to be
with you here. They'll to be with you today. We
are talking about what are we talking about again?
Speaker 6 (00:28):
We're talking about So this week on the podcast, Angela
was incensed because Fox News ran a story Surprise Surprise,
that was misrepresenting what happened at the State of the
People tour, and she was getting upset about it, and
I'm like, who cares, Like, ninety four percent of their
audience is white, they're conservative people, and she's like, but
they get all the numbers. So that got into a
(00:50):
conversation should we care about what they're thinking, what they're doing?
And Angela brought up the point that sometimes our black outlets,
mainly social media, will take a story from Fox News
and use their language and everything and run it, which
again they depend on y'all to do. So I just thought, Oh,
(01:11):
that's a good conversation. One do we same on the
outlets that do that because y'all are part of the problem.
Maybe y'all don't know any better. But also, should we
care what white folks think? Should we be talking to
white people? And should we care what they think? That's
the question on the table. I got my thoughts, but
I'll let you you say yes, Andrew.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Should we care what white people think?
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And should we care what they watch because it shapes
how they feel and then how they move and how they.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Act, and because that can impact us. Yeah, I do care.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Now, now I don't. I don't make it. So I'll
give you this example. Miss, what is it most wanted America?
Most wanted?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I was, because I'm liable to say a lot other
different things, right, But but I would I would get
really upset in my local paper because they would put
pictures of last night's arrest and it almost always seemed
to be like just a parade of black faces. And
maybe I just only saw the faces that were black,
I don't know, but it was really pronounced to me,
(02:19):
and the cop shows that all the run in is
happen to always be with black people.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And I'm thinking white people know where you know, create crime.
They don't do any crimes. And that that.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
And we wonder why people clutch their purse, you know,
when a black man is approaching or walking past. Now,
my wife is great because she does the exact opposite, right,
like she sees somebody, she's grabbing her person, hitting the
alarm on the car to say, you know, you're not
safe as far as I'm concerned. But that stuff starts
to shat, imagery begins to shape exactly how we are
(02:52):
perceived and how we get interacted with. When when their
excuse for every black person who has a job of
any import is that they got it because they were
black and.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Mildly qualified, but not all the way.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
That's because it's being shaped by a whole narrative that
they're being fed day in and day out. That says
a thing, now, mind you, I think it undergirds what
they probably, you know, at a very base level level think.
But nonetheless, if we don't have disruptors to that, if
there is never a counter narrative, then we got a
(03:29):
whole bunch of folks out here walking around with a bowl,
you know, a big old bag of falsehoods as a
lens by which we get viewed through. We can't help
it always, y'all. In fact, I think we can help
it very little, but that doesn't mean we.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Don't try well.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And this is the thing, right, I like, I think
Tif and I have talked about this. Tiff used to
go on Fox News, and so, Tiff, I'm actually curious
for you what changed in your thinking because there was
a point where you were like, Oh, I'm gonna go
on here and least at least and maybe I'm projecting,
but I'm thinking you're like, I'm gonna go out here
and make sure there's somebody on here telling y' all
the truth and versus now where you like, forget you
(04:07):
hoes not hosts.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Yeah, yeah, so nothing changed I did. I used to
do Fox News twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I used to
do Harris Faulkner her show and maybe some maybe some
other shows. I would be honest why I went on
those shows. I don't want to say our friend who
gets mad every time I mentioned his name on air,
(04:32):
but uh, I'm saying it. Albert he was. But it
was great training ground because I had been a producer,
executive producer all that before, but being on camera and
so he would antagonize me and interrupt me, and be
nasty to me and rude to me, and you know,
poke holes at every point I made, and just be
(04:53):
obnoxious because his point was if you can handle that,
He would prepare people on Capitol Hill, like the Benghazi
hearings like that was in his work portfolio, so he
would handle me the same way. And his point is
if you can handle that, then you should be able
to handle any platform. And so he thought, like you
should go on Fox News and do some of their programming. Now,
(05:14):
I will say that was like right at the beginning
of the Trump administration, and my ignorance and perhaps a
little bit of naivete at that time is I did
not know how bad things would get. I thought that
there would be a time where we could all at
least agree on basic facts. And at that time I
(05:36):
did not look at, or view or experience Fox News
as the danger that they are now. They were always just,
you know, a problematic network and you know, right wing network.
But I do think they shifted as they got emboldened
during the Trump administration to something that I couldn't do.
So I did it a few times, and I stopped
doing it, and I will say Harris Faulkner took me
(05:59):
to lunch because I refuse to do the network after
like maybe five appearances, because every time I did it,
I would be flooded with very specific death threats and
not just like you know, I always call it a niggers,
I'm gonna kill you nigger. Even some of the emails
were like America's not racist.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
For sure, for sure, but you convinced me.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
You convinced me, But.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
They're not racist, you dumb. I mean they literally you
get off.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
But your brain is smaller, like they literally they love
to send over like, oh, but you're not racist.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Just starting specific in the sense of like I'm going
to rape you or I'm gonna watch you get raped
and just things. And then they started not only attacking me,
but anybody who followed me. You know, this is when
I was like so active on Facebook, and they would
like go on my mom's page, my friend page, and
it just didn't seem like a good use of time.
(07:04):
So that's my own journey. But I think in terms
of viewership, you know, some people say like, oh, we've
got to know what both sides are thinking, and you know,
I just wonder. Sometimes when we give oxygen to something,
we make it bigger than what it is. And so
(07:24):
if you know, if one person is screaming in the
air on Fox News that you know Tiffany Crosses, like
you know Tiffany cross is running holes on K Street.
You know, Like I don't know how many people, Well
you brought up.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You brought it up, sir and alone, and I said
host in the audio back.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
But it's like, yes, be sure to you get to
understand the the whole perspective.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Of the whole, the whole perspective, the whole entire and
Andrew is silent and Fox News just carry right.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
So I don't know, I like I do think sometimes
when you give things oxygen, it becomes bigger, like you're
introducing it and it's like people you're looking at a
car wreck, and it's like, stop looking at it, Stop
giving them our eyes, stop giving them our viewership, stop
giving them free promo.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
But I you know, Andrew, what you.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Said is kind of said that they're going to run
it on rotation anyway.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
But what you said is like what we kind of
have to care about what they're thinking about, because that's
going to inform how they feel, So maybe yes, which
is which is? And that can be dangerous to our
physical person. It can be our violence to our physical person.
It can be structural violence to our lives. So I
get that point. So maybe I should adjust that and
say I don't care about foxes, like I don't want
(08:55):
to subject myself to seeing those things, because, like Angela,
the re action, like your visible reaction to seeing it
is how I feel inside. But it's not just Fox.
That's how I feel inside when I read the papers,
It's how I feel when I watch BBCC and and
all of it. It's like the chaos of today. So
I have to choose my piece. And it's like, I'm
not going to volunteer to go look at Fox or
(09:16):
talk about Fox because that is just foolishness and you know,
not worth my time, and it's just going to add
inks to me. But quite honestly, everything is added inks
to me these days.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
But I don't know, Yeah, Angela, how do you handle it?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I was gonna say we had a whole, and then
I thought about how again it is just so tragic.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
I'll never be able to say handle no.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
But I said we had a whole, and I was like, oh,
we had a whole We had a whole conversation at
the State of the people think about not letting Fox
come in, like the whole. So a part of what
I was reading, I was like, now, how did they
even get this? So maybe they just you know, picked
up or saw the stream, but I was just like
we there was there were they were clamoring to get
cameras in there, and you knew it wasn't because they
(10:07):
wanted to spread relief, to ensure black people got relief
at the event.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
And I didn't let him.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
A part of no, I don't believe somebody might have,
but we had a whole conversation about we don't want
them in here because the intention is not right.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
It's not to even cover, you know, without bias.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
It is to try to catch the mayor up and
something we knew that was going to be the case.
He showed up in his official capacity, not as it
wasn't a rally for him as governor. It wasn't a
rally for anyone running for office.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
This was an it was a black flag burning. Uh.
I mean that's how they That's how they handled right today, Just.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So we're super clear, because they keep being sarcastic on
these podcasts. It was an event so people could feel
empowered at a time where our hope is being stolen
from us every single day.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
And I just think that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
To go from the morning conversations we're having about the
best way to get relief to Newark residents and then
for them their takeaway for it to be this when
there were gun violence prevention workshops and all of these
incredible things going on, how to mobilize people, how to
you know, help folks who are homeless, how to help
pay utility bills?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Like why are y'all even on this? And I think
that the reality of it is tip to your point.
There are so many.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
People who are clearly watching Fox who sit in those
same income brackets of the people that were trying to help.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
And the real aully.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Here should be the poor folks who are black and brown,
because there are so much more in common then there
is difference, and they can't see it because they want
to be cloaked in their whiteness in ways that will
make them feel more comfortable, even if that means ignore
my nightmare and let me strive for this dream that
is completely out of reach, but it would be in
(11:57):
reach if I just was in coalition with these poor
black and brown people.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's like I wish for the life of me that
we could cut through because I know our intention is
so good. Like this isn't about going viral or creating
space for people in leadership or trying to get somebody
more found.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
This really is about the ray Lewises of the world.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Or Kenya Kenya at the event who talked about living
in a motel who regularly brings food to the other
elders who are in this motel.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
So she is unhoused and she.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Volunteered with us from seven am to seven pm.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
But don't nobody.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Wants to tell that story because that's not clickbaitable enough.
You'd rather like go on here and say, oh, Mayor
rest called himself David, I wonder who the glith.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Is, bisch, We know who the glithe is. We are
not confused.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
You are feigning confusion because that gets you the clicks.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
And about the mayor, respectfully, I would click on, well
you would, but.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You got some sense, You got morals, and you have compassion,
tif and you got empathy. You got a convergence of
all things that make you beautiful before we even get
to your lashes, honey, right like you know, so I'm
like this is and we and not the whole lashes
and you're just lashes snuff.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I don't call the kids lashes whole lashes.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I even saying, I didn't say anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I'm just saying to keep the holes out of this. Yes,
I'm just saying, or maybe bring them in. Actually bring
them in, bring the holes into this conversation because the welcome.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, welcome, yeah, because maybe the news they need. Honestly,
we really are let me, sex workers is really what
I'm talking about? Sex workers?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
And got that technical, I know, but I was and
that was host That's all I said.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
And I thought he said what he said, I are
you whole?
Speaker 4 (14:04):
Just trying to I'll say this point that's on point, which.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Is I don't think that other minority groups who who
should be in common cause with us, like in real life,
in common cause with us, are going to find common
cause until they determine that the approximate value for coalition
with US is greater than their approximate closeness to whiteness
(14:31):
and what whiteness brings in society.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
And I don't think any group is going to find
residents or residents with our cause, even no matter how
common you know, we share it, until they determine that
being closer to that group will advantage me in society
more than being close to that group. And right now,
(14:53):
in every way, shape and form, society reinforces that your
approximation and proximity to whiteness, if you can claim it,
will bring you greater access, more power, more money, more
ways to maneuver in society than being with that group.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And I just think at every level it has to
be disrupted. It's one of the things I wanted to
ask the mayor, but I know we had a lot
to try to get to cover. Is he's got a
large Hispanic population that he's got to appeal to the
in the state as he faces a general election. And
as you know very intimately, Angela and and TIF peripherally
(15:33):
peripherally for you, is that certainly in a state like Florida,
the ways in which you are going to talk about
a detention facility that may be illegally housing those who
don't have proper paperwork in this country is going to
land differently. Talking to Hispanics or folks from Latin American
countries here, then maybe it will in New Jersey because
(15:56):
they don't want to be approximate to an immigrant who
is he or without papers.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
And we got to get yousolation. It wants to be
close to those who would be.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Enforcing the laws against people who are here without papers. Yeah,
so I just I think it's a difficult formula. But
I do think on the base at the most basic level,
when we have to ask ourselves these questions, why aren't
we in greater coalition, we are dealing with the same stuff.
They want both of us down under their under their
knee at every you know, at every competition.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
And you got to consider New yor Riecans. Puerto Ricans
in New York are different than Cubans in Florida are different.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Multiple generations in Cary.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Is different than Mexicans in la like there are. So
you have to disaggregate this. Because the white man came
along and say, okay, we call on y' all Hispanics,
that doesn't mean that this is all the same group
of people. So we just I don't know, I'm concerned
about about our ours.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
They incentivized toward the same outcome.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I wanted to tell y'all since we were supposed to
be talking about press a little bit, I just want
to say one thing that I have been really shocked
to hear consistently is how many people tune into our
podcast to get correct political information and marching orders about
what to do next. And I think that's really anyway.
(17:23):
I thought we were in the clear. I thought we
were in the freak. I thought we were in the clear. No, what's.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
We'll do it live. We'll do it.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Livetering off the tracks.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Almost underground or overground round right if there wasn't tracks,
lest am I right?
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Drama about that made a plaint about how like people
tune into us and on legacy media, mainstream media. They
constantly played clips from like Kara Swishers podcast and like
Joe Rogan's podcast, and we have had during DNC, we
had guests that nobody else had on this show. We
(18:09):
have insight and opinion and thought that it just doesn't
matter to them, you know, like it really just doesn't.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
You're in their competition and not their compliment.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
But those other people are their competition, and they they
what matters to them is white thought they center. Oh,
I see what you're saying, Andrew, because they maybe no
book like Karro Swisher gets numbers, like there are other
people who get numbers, and it's like when they say something,
it's like, oh, let's play this sound bite from this who.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Gives a shape numbers and service the podcast.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
So that's fine.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
So boring people's podcasts I don't care about.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 6 (18:45):
I said that, so I shouldn't say that. But like
even pod Save America, no this to them. But even
like people talk about their podcast and I'll listen, and
I don't know that I have heard some great insights
from voices. Sometimes it can come across a bit monotonous.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Well you just need to give greater approximation to white
people clearly.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
All right, So I don't know what's happening here today,
but all of the post, we're gonna go.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
Ahead, log off. We got problems. I thought my A
D D was bad, and I think y'all met me
right in it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I Will says, I don't care what you say that
we are, oh you guys, and his birthday is today
when this is our podcast running on Friday or.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
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Speaker 1 (19:31):
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Speaker 5 (19:37):
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Speaker 6 (19:41):
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