March 25, 2025 • 23 mins
GOP wants to secure America but can’t even secure the group chat.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is in HOT water after accidentally texting war plans to a journalist from The Atlantic. Two other high level Trump appointees, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and CIA Director John Ratcliffe, were on the same text thread and just got GRILLED by Congress for their involvement.
In the upside-down world of rightwing media they’re pretending like the highest ranking military leader (besides the president himself) accidentally sending war plans to members of the public is no big deal. We’ll give it to you straight and bring the receipts today on NLP with Angela Rye.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey everyone, So it is another solo pod for a
Native lamppod. I am your host, Angela Raie, and today
we are talking about the real housewives of the Trump administration,
also known as some of your appointed officials, some of
them confirmed and overwhelming majorities by the United States Senate.
(00:30):
And some of those same people had to make appearances
on the latest Trump gate, which is what goes down
in your signal threat It should probably not be military strikes.
Let's go ahead and roll, Senator Warner, today, this.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Was not only sloppy, not only violated all procedures, but
if this information had gotten out, American lives could have
been lost. This information could reposition their defensive systems. Did
you participate in the group chat with Secretary of Defense
and other Trump senior officials discussing the m and war.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Plans, Senator I don't want to get into this.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Man, ma'am. Did you were you on You're not going
to be willing to addressation, so you're not are you denying? Matt?
Were you answer my question, ma'am? You were not TG
on this group chat.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm not going to get into this specific.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So you refuse to acknowledge whether you were on this group.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Chat, Senator, I'm not going to get into this.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Why are why are you going to get into specific?
Is it because it's all classified?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Because this is currently under review by the National security.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Because it's all classified. If it's not classified, share the
text now, Rector Radcliffe, were you on the group chat?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Senator? I was on a signal messaging group, So you were.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The John Radcliffe on that chat? I was thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
So my communications, to be clear, in a signal message
group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include
classified information.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
We will we will make that determination because if it's
not classified, share the text with the committee.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Did you.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military
planning was put out and say, hey, we should be
doing this on a skiff?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
There was no classified material that was shared.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
In that so that if there was no classified material,
share it with the committee.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So what happened was if you all can't tell some
of you may not have been following this at all.
There's a little handy dandy thing we call our cell
phones and there's a little handy dandy app we call Signal.
Many of us use signal. In fact, I know White
House staffers, as I talked about on my Instagram live
last night, who have used Signaled on their personal devices.
(02:54):
They are not allowed to download Signal onto their federal devices,
and let me tell you why they're hackable. So what
these people decided to do was put signal on their
personal device and talk about a government led a US
government led strike on Yemen on signal. And the only
(03:19):
reason why the American people know that there was an
official government act conducted on behalf of the American people
is not because it was on signal app and they
got hacked. It was because the National Security Advisor added
Jeffrey Goldberg, who just so happens to be the Atlantic
(03:40):
editor in chief, into this thread. And so what is
now being discussed is whether or not the discussions about
an attack that would happen, not that it already happened,
that would happen on Yemen, was going to take place,
and there was fierce debate about it on this signal thread,
which included your Vice President, your Secretary Area of Treasury,
(04:01):
your Secretary of State. That would be Marco Rubio, Tulcy Gabbert,
the d and I director, and the National Security Advisor,
among others. Oh and let me not forget Pete Hegg said.
And so normally these things happen, these types of strikes
are discussed in something called the situation room. Well, they
(04:23):
decided to have a liituation room led by Pete Haig. Saith,
you're truly the most litty in the administration. So now
let's go to Senator John Assov to hear what he
had to say at today's committee hearing.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Director Ratcliffe, this was a huge mistake.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Correct, No, a national political no no, no, no, Director
I said, We asked him, no question, and now you'll
hold on a national political reporter you can you want?
Was made privy the way sensitive information about it, the
(05:03):
military operations, a foreign terrorist adding a reporter, and that
wasn't a huge mistake. That wasn't a huge missa.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
I think the characterized the embarrassment.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
This is utterly unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
There's been no apology, there has been no recognition of
the gravity of this error. And by the way, we
will get the full transcript of this chain and your
testimony will be measured carefully against its content, Thank you,
mister chairman.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So you all know when there's like a badass child
and they have done something that they shouldn't do, and
then you trying to get them to apologize and they're like, no,
you know, or maybe it's not even a bad child.
Maybe it's you know, some years ago. I can't even
remember what president it was. But in trying to confess
(05:56):
that something was done wrong, the president says mistakes were made. Bruh,
who made these mistakes? Right? So I just named a
laundry list of people who were on this signal thread
talking about a national secure military strike essentially on international
soil in Yemen with the editor in chief from The Atlantic,
(06:22):
and all John oss I was asking is if this
were a mistake, if it was a mistake, and John
Ratcliffe full chest out, this is your CIA director, who
was also on the thread. This has all been by
the way, we're not even debating whether or not this
was the thing. Donald Trump went on air and said
(06:43):
he don't know nothing about it. Well, all of your
cabinet did, all of your national security advisors did. And
John Radcliffe, who is the CIA director, is on the
thread and he's not even willing to acknowledge the fact
that mistakes were made, which is the lowest bar mistakes
were made. Couldn't even say that. Let's go to Senator
Mark Kelly.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
So I understand that DoD policy prohibits discussion of even
what is called controlled unclassified information or CUI on unsecured devices.
Are both of you aware of that DoD policy.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I haven't read that policy.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Not familiar with the DoD policy, but I would say
that the Secretary of Defense is the original classification authority
for DoD and deciding what would be classified information.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So now we're not just saying we're not even saying
mistakes were made. Now they're trying to argue about what
is classified and what is not. My virtue of the
fact that it was shared on a signal thread completely
compromises that. So I had the lowest level clearance on
the hill. I had a TS which is a top
(07:53):
secret clearance. They're dealing with SCI clearance level information here,
But they're trying to say that it's not classified. And
I would argue they may be right because Jeffrey Goldberg
was in the chat, So if it was classified, it
ain't classifying the morc job now shared it with the
public visa vie Jeffrey Goldberg. So they're not willing to
(08:14):
say that they know what level of classification this would
have been. They're not willing to say that it's classified.
But here's the gag for me. In the real Housewives
of the Trump administration, they're saying that they're not willing
to turn over the text because right now it's under
some type of investigation. What's the investigation?
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Friends?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
If it's not classified and no mistake was made, what
are y'all exactly looking into? That is the question that
I have, and I want to know, given everything that's
going on, how exactly might y'all spend this? Let's look
to Jesse Waters for that.
Speaker 8 (08:53):
Do you ever try to start a group text you're
adding people and you accidentally add the wrong person all
of a sudden you're Mary knows all your raunchy plans
for the bachelor party. Well that kind of happened today
with the Trump administration. Mike Wallaz was putting together a
group chat on Signal, an encrypted app, with the Secretary
of Defense, the VP, and a bunch of other national
security officials to collaborate on whether to strike Iranian proxies
(09:16):
in Yemen who keep firing missiles and shutting down shipping. Well,
National security Advisor Mike Waltz accidentally added a reporter to
the group text, and not a good reporter, Jeffrey Goldberg
from the Atlantic, one of the biggest hoax artists around. Well,
he heard some things he probably shouldn't have, but could
have been a wee bit of a security breach. But
(09:38):
it's not like they homebrewed a server and then bleached
it or kept classified documents in their garages next to
their corvette. I'm sure it won't happen again.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So Jesse Water uses this opportunity to talk about y'all's
I'm Mary. This ain't I'm Mary, bitch. This is the
editor in chief of the Atlantic, who now has sci level,
classified level information about bombing Yemen, which it hasn't happened yet,
(10:21):
is going to happen with all of the top national
security advisors, directors, cabinet secretaries, and the vice president of
these United States on a signal thread, not in the
situation room, talking about how America is going to deal
with violently another country. That's not I'm Mary, and I
(10:46):
just want to I just want to tell you all
because you know, I might know a thing about gas lighting.
We have all had those toxic relationships or people who
have tried to deal with us, maybe even toxic friends
who are masterful at gaslighting. And what about ism? So
you say, man, you really hurt my hand? Why did
(11:08):
you close the door so hard? That did hurt my hand?
And they say, well, my pinky toe is sore too.
Classic what about ism? Not dealing with the thing the
issue at play that you're trying to lay in front
of them to resolve for the purposes of accountability. No accountability,
no acknowledgment of your pain. Just let me pivot to
how you hurt my toenail back in the day. Okay,
(11:29):
that's what about ism? Gaslighting is well, I know this
thing happened, and maybe it's a we did he say
a wee bit of a security breach? No bit, It
is a huge security breach. But he said, this thing
is over here. But let me refocus you to this
thing that happened with this person who ran for president,
who was Secretary of State that I feel was way worse.
(11:52):
Y'all tell me one time Hillary Clinton had y'all's information
about some type of military strike about some type of
US interview on a signal thread. He can't do it.
He can't do it to the point where Hillary Clinton
is tweeted about this yesterday like You've got to be
kidding me. And we're gonna talk about why. She probably
(12:13):
said you got to be kidding me in just the moment.
But first I want to go to the person on
this podcast who regularly tells media about itself and tells
us the expectations that we should have for media, and
will give this situation or should we say lituation, more
of the context it deserves to tell you why Pete
(12:34):
heg Saith, who is y'all secretary of Defense, Why he
shouldn't be drinking on the job, the kinds of things
that happen if you do drink on the job. I'm
not saying he was drunk, buddy, it ain't joe us
acting like it. And let's go to d Tiffany Cross
to break down why all of this is such a
big deal.
Speaker 9 (12:51):
Tiffany, this is so utterly ridiculous. It's not only a
national embarrassment, this is a national emergency. John, and I
just feel like anybody who has the to to come
on air and try to defend this. Scott, you just
said that they're apologetic or that they've admitted some sort
of wrongdoing. We've just heard the Defense Secretary deny this
whole thing and instead choose to attack Jeffrey Goldberg, who
(13:11):
did the responsible thing by not reporting out everything that
he heard on this or read on this signal chat.
When this happened. I actually talked to some friends who
worked in Intel during the Obama administration and the Biden administration,
and I asked, how do you normally communicate about something
like this? And there's a skiff that you have to
have the highest security level to participate in these conversations.
(13:32):
You go in the room where there's no electronic devices allowed,
there are no windows. It's taken very seriously. And this
is what happens when you have a man whose first
job in government was as President of the United States,
who's politically in e FT, who employs people who are
politically in f There's nothing funny about this. We're putting
our people who serve this country at danger, and we're
(13:52):
asking people to believe nonsense. And this is a travesty.
Do we think President She of China is tweeting or
texting about his national security plans. Do we think vladimir's
Zelenski is texting about his plans? Do we think President
Vladimir Putin is spoon feeding Russian talking points to American
diplomats even on signal? This is a thing that people
(14:14):
use to talk to their side pieces, something Hexcess would
certainly know about. This is something that people need to
talk about March madness. It is a crisis that we
need to take very seriously, and we can't present this
as journalists. We cannot present this as though these are
two opposing political points of view.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
This is a.
Speaker 9 (14:31):
Serious issue that we need to take certain patriots Scott
I find it really troubling because they ran on this
whole idea of this pseudo patriotism, this regressive masculine patriotism.
Yet everything they're doing runs against making America great.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So Tiff goes on to let dress him down on
a number of other issues, But the main focus that
I wanted to have there was what she said about
how big of a deal it is that they were
exposing critical well defense information to a reporter. Again, the
editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic now Before
(15:08):
I get into everything that tiff said, what I do
think is important to acknowledge as well is that they
are now trying to make a boogeyman out of Jeffrey Goldberg.
In communication strategy, what you will see, particularly in politics
and political media is when something happens, there is normally
someone who escapegoated. Sometimes that happens within the realm of
(15:31):
like you're on the same side, but somebody has to go,
so you will say, this person over here is the
responsible one. So this person is the one who has
to be punished. Jeffrey Goldberg could actually experience punishment for that,
because you know, we are living in fascists like times,
so they could actually try to prosecute him or what
have you. To again distract from the ineptitude of this administration.
(15:54):
The real didn't earn it HighRes right, so they could
end up scapegoating him. They certainly have begun doing that
in the media. You saw it if you all watched
Pete hegg say being asked about this by a reporter yesterday.
You saw it in what Jesse Water said, and you
see Tiffany coming to the defense of Jeffrey Goldberg in
terms of the standards that he used in his journalistic practices. Now,
(16:16):
the other thing that I think is important that Tiff
said is there's nothing funny about this. Some of us
have been laughing, not because it's funny, but because it
is incredulous to believe that folks would make this type
of a mistake. Again, I worked on the Homeland Security Committee.
If any of us inadvertently exposed classified information, even sbused
(16:39):
sensitive but unclassified information, or if we would have been
tweeting about, or texting about, or signaling about, we have
signal back dag y'allam. Oh, but if we would have
been talking about it on signal, we would have experienced consequences,
some of them criminal, could could be fine, could do
jail time for these things. So that's why this is
(16:59):
so important to understand what is at stake and why
what they did was so wrong. Now, there's one last
piece that I want to share with y'all, and this
was from a presidential debate in twenty sixteen Donald Trump
versus Hillary Clinton. And I'm bringing it up because one
of the things that you know, we talked about the
(17:19):
scapegoat strategy, that boogeyman, the boogeyman for the Republicans right
now for Trump supporters is Jeffrey Goldberg. But there's another
boogeyman or should I say boogie woman, and it's the
what about ASM tactic on those emails. Let's play it.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
I didn't think i'd say this, but I'm going to
say it, and I hate to say it, but if
I win, I am going to instruct my Attorney General
to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation
because there has never been so many lies, so much deception,
There has never been anything like it, and we're going
(17:58):
to have a special prosecutor. When I speak, I go
out and speak. The people of this country are furious.
In my opinion, the people that have been long term
workers at the FBI are furious. There has never been
anything like this where emails and you get a subpoena,
you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, you
delete thirty three thousand emails and then you ask it
(18:22):
washam or bleach them, as you would say. A very
expensive process. So we're going to get a special prosecutor
and we're going to look into it, because you know
what people have been, their lives have been destroyed for
doing one fifth of what you've done, and it's a
disgrace and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of you, sir.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I want to follow up on that. I'm going to
let you talk about it now.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Because everything he just said is absolutely false.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
We understand that he was wanting to set up a
special prosecutor to go after her, trying to appease the
people who were just mad that a woman was running
for president. But I do think that there are some
things that we should know here to be fair and
to be honest. Right, there were two secretaries of State
in the past who used personal emails to conduct government business,
(19:13):
Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell. Some of what they learn
about in classified briefings is the many ways in which
government systems, government devices, and whatnot could be hacked. What
you can guarantee is that there were no situation room
convenings about strikes, military strikes, state department led interventions. None
(19:40):
of that was happening on emails. None of that was
happening on emails. There is absolutely a conversation to be
had about why they would what intel they were relying
upon to use their personal emails to use their own servers.
Why did they think that was more secure than the
government than a lot of reasons why. I didn't know that,
(20:02):
But I think that we have to understand the distinction
here is major. We're talking about an operation, a strike
that costs people's lives, that was violent, and that took
place on March fifteenth under this administration. And we also
have to understand that signal is not allowed to be
downloaded on government devices because they are hackable, So there
(20:23):
is a big difference here. I think the other thing
for us to keep in mind is that the FBI
Director James Coleman, who so I'm still off you, but
he said that there was no criminal activity in what
Hillary Clinton did, which clearly indicates that there was nothing
that was shared from a share from or to her
email that was overtly classified and that compromised the government.
(20:47):
This is different. That is all that they did with
multiple officials on multiple levels fist bumping each other in
this chat, once the strike happens with American flags waving,
there's a difference. Not only did they use this signal
thread to talk about an approach, jd Vance says point
(21:09):
blank he does not think the president understands the ramification
of his actions, not in those exact words, but essentially
that's what he says, and then they go on to
celebrate this act as if it is all a good
thing to cost people their lives. So I think these
are the kinds of things that we have to understand
in making the distinction. Some people still might say, well,
(21:29):
I still want to know what about our emails. Well,
I'm telling you about her emails. She did end up
winning an election. Y'all got this dude for a president instead,
who got a Fox News host as his secretary of Defense,
and they got to go along to get along gang
cheering on the ineptitude that is costing people their lives.
There is a big difference. So now America, we're paying
(21:52):
a cost. So, as far as I'm concerned today, that's
all I got. I'm a pose here just in case
there are any questions about what happened. Jeffrey Goldberg was
affirmatively added to this thread by the National Security Advisor
Michael Waltz, who works in the White House. That is
how he got on the thread. They have affirmed that
(22:12):
this thread was in fact the thing. He was not spooked.
He was not Ashton, your Punk. Some of you young
people don't know nothing about that show Punk, but this
was all the real thing. I wish I could tell
you this is another episode of Real Housewives. But this
is not just reality TV. This is the reality that
we're living in, y'all, so it is a different day.
Let me check for any questions that if we don't
(22:33):
have any I'm a log off because I gave y'all
a bunch of information. Lolo, I don't see any, So
we're gonna rap. All right, God bless y'all. We will
talk soon and I will see you next week for
the Solo pod, and I will see you on Thursday
for Native lampod with my awesome co host Tiffany Cross
and Andrew Gillum. Until then, welcome home, y'all. You guys
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hey everyone, So it is another solo pod for a
Native lamppod. I am your host, Angela Raie, and today
we are talking about the real housewives of the Trump administration,
also known as some of your appointed officials, some of
them confirmed and overwhelming majorities by the United States Senate.
(00:30):
And some of those same people had to make appearances
on the latest Trump gate, which is what goes down
in your signal threat It should probably not be military strikes.
Let's go ahead and roll, Senator Warner, today, this.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Was not only sloppy, not only violated all procedures, but
if this information had gotten out, American lives could have
been lost. This information could reposition their defensive systems. Did
you participate in the group chat with Secretary of Defense
and other Trump senior officials discussing the m and war.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Plans, Senator I don't want to get into this.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Man, ma'am. Did you were you on You're not going
to be willing to addressation, so you're not are you denying? Matt?
Were you answer my question, ma'am? You were not TG
on this group chat.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm not going to get into this specific.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So you refuse to acknowledge whether you were on this group.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Chat, Senator, I'm not going to get into this.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Why are why are you going to get into specific?
Is it because it's all classified?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Because this is currently under review by the National security.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Because it's all classified. If it's not classified, share the
text now, Rector Radcliffe, were you on the group chat?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Senator? I was on a signal messaging group, So you were.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The John Radcliffe on that chat? I was thank you,
thank you.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
So my communications, to be clear, in a signal message
group were entirely permissible and lawful and did not include
classified information.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
We will we will make that determination because if it's
not classified, share the text with the committee.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Did you.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Contact the Defense Secretary or others after this specific military
planning was put out and say, hey, we should be
doing this on a skiff?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
There was no classified material that was shared.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
In that so that if there was no classified material,
share it with the committee.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
So what happened was if you all can't tell some
of you may not have been following this at all.
There's a little handy dandy thing we call our cell
phones and there's a little handy dandy app we call Signal.
Many of us use signal. In fact, I know White
House staffers, as I talked about on my Instagram live
last night, who have used Signaled on their personal devices.
(02:54):
They are not allowed to download Signal onto their federal devices,
and let me tell you why they're hackable. So what
these people decided to do was put signal on their
personal device and talk about a government led a US
government led strike on Yemen on signal. And the only
(03:19):
reason why the American people know that there was an
official government act conducted on behalf of the American people
is not because it was on signal app and they
got hacked. It was because the National Security Advisor added
Jeffrey Goldberg, who just so happens to be the Atlantic
(03:40):
editor in chief, into this thread. And so what is
now being discussed is whether or not the discussions about
an attack that would happen, not that it already happened,
that would happen on Yemen, was going to take place,
and there was fierce debate about it on this signal thread,
which included your Vice President, your Secretary Area of Treasury,
(04:01):
your Secretary of State. That would be Marco Rubio, Tulcy Gabbert,
the d and I director, and the National Security Advisor,
among others. Oh and let me not forget Pete Hegg said.
And so normally these things happen, these types of strikes
are discussed in something called the situation room. Well, they
(04:23):
decided to have a liituation room led by Pete Haig. Saith,
you're truly the most litty in the administration. So now
let's go to Senator John Assov to hear what he
had to say at today's committee hearing.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Director Ratcliffe, this was a huge mistake.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Correct, No, a national political no no, no, no, Director
I said, We asked him, no question, and now you'll
hold on a national political reporter you can you want?
Was made privy the way sensitive information about it, the
(05:03):
military operations, a foreign terrorist adding a reporter, and that
wasn't a huge mistake. That wasn't a huge missa.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
I think the characterized the embarrassment.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
This is utterly unprofessional.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
There's been no apology, there has been no recognition of
the gravity of this error. And by the way, we
will get the full transcript of this chain and your
testimony will be measured carefully against its content, Thank you,
mister chairman.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So you all know when there's like a badass child
and they have done something that they shouldn't do, and
then you trying to get them to apologize and they're like, no,
you know, or maybe it's not even a bad child.
Maybe it's you know, some years ago. I can't even
remember what president it was. But in trying to confess
(05:56):
that something was done wrong, the president says mistakes were made. Bruh,
who made these mistakes? Right? So I just named a
laundry list of people who were on this signal thread
talking about a national secure military strike essentially on international
soil in Yemen with the editor in chief from The Atlantic,
(06:22):
and all John oss I was asking is if this
were a mistake, if it was a mistake, and John
Ratcliffe full chest out, this is your CIA director, who
was also on the thread. This has all been by
the way, we're not even debating whether or not this
was the thing. Donald Trump went on air and said
(06:43):
he don't know nothing about it. Well, all of your
cabinet did, all of your national security advisors did. And
John Radcliffe, who is the CIA director, is on the
thread and he's not even willing to acknowledge the fact
that mistakes were made, which is the lowest bar mistakes
were made. Couldn't even say that. Let's go to Senator
Mark Kelly.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
So I understand that DoD policy prohibits discussion of even
what is called controlled unclassified information or CUI on unsecured devices.
Are both of you aware of that DoD policy.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I haven't read that policy.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Not familiar with the DoD policy, but I would say
that the Secretary of Defense is the original classification authority
for DoD and deciding what would be classified information.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So now we're not just saying we're not even saying
mistakes were made. Now they're trying to argue about what
is classified and what is not. My virtue of the
fact that it was shared on a signal thread completely
compromises that. So I had the lowest level clearance on
the hill. I had a TS which is a top
(07:53):
secret clearance. They're dealing with SCI clearance level information here,
But they're trying to say that it's not classified. And
I would argue they may be right because Jeffrey Goldberg
was in the chat, So if it was classified, it
ain't classifying the morc job now shared it with the
public visa vie Jeffrey Goldberg. So they're not willing to
(08:14):
say that they know what level of classification this would
have been. They're not willing to say that it's classified.
But here's the gag for me. In the real Housewives
of the Trump administration, they're saying that they're not willing
to turn over the text because right now it's under
some type of investigation. What's the investigation?
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Friends?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
If it's not classified and no mistake was made, what
are y'all exactly looking into? That is the question that
I have, and I want to know, given everything that's
going on, how exactly might y'all spend this? Let's look
to Jesse Waters for that.
Speaker 8 (08:53):
Do you ever try to start a group text you're
adding people and you accidentally add the wrong person all
of a sudden you're Mary knows all your raunchy plans
for the bachelor party. Well that kind of happened today
with the Trump administration. Mike Wallaz was putting together a
group chat on Signal, an encrypted app, with the Secretary
of Defense, the VP, and a bunch of other national
security officials to collaborate on whether to strike Iranian proxies
(09:16):
in Yemen who keep firing missiles and shutting down shipping. Well,
National security Advisor Mike Waltz accidentally added a reporter to
the group text, and not a good reporter, Jeffrey Goldberg
from the Atlantic, one of the biggest hoax artists around. Well,
he heard some things he probably shouldn't have, but could
have been a wee bit of a security breach. But
(09:38):
it's not like they homebrewed a server and then bleached
it or kept classified documents in their garages next to
their corvette. I'm sure it won't happen again.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So Jesse Water uses this opportunity to talk about y'all's
I'm Mary. This ain't I'm Mary, bitch. This is the
editor in chief of the Atlantic, who now has sci level,
classified level information about bombing Yemen, which it hasn't happened yet,
(10:21):
is going to happen with all of the top national
security advisors, directors, cabinet secretaries, and the vice president of
these United States on a signal thread, not in the
situation room, talking about how America is going to deal
with violently another country. That's not I'm Mary, and I
(10:46):
just want to I just want to tell you all
because you know, I might know a thing about gas lighting.
We have all had those toxic relationships or people who
have tried to deal with us, maybe even toxic friends
who are masterful at gaslighting. And what about ism? So
you say, man, you really hurt my hand? Why did
(11:08):
you close the door so hard? That did hurt my hand?
And they say, well, my pinky toe is sore too.
Classic what about ism? Not dealing with the thing the
issue at play that you're trying to lay in front
of them to resolve for the purposes of accountability. No accountability,
no acknowledgment of your pain. Just let me pivot to
how you hurt my toenail back in the day. Okay,
(11:29):
that's what about ism? Gaslighting is well, I know this
thing happened, and maybe it's a we did he say
a wee bit of a security breach? No bit, It
is a huge security breach. But he said, this thing
is over here. But let me refocus you to this
thing that happened with this person who ran for president,
who was Secretary of State that I feel was way worse.
(11:52):
Y'all tell me one time Hillary Clinton had y'all's information
about some type of military strike about some type of
US interview on a signal thread. He can't do it.
He can't do it to the point where Hillary Clinton
is tweeted about this yesterday like You've got to be
kidding me. And we're gonna talk about why. She probably
(12:13):
said you got to be kidding me in just the moment.
But first I want to go to the person on
this podcast who regularly tells media about itself and tells
us the expectations that we should have for media, and
will give this situation or should we say lituation, more
of the context it deserves to tell you why Pete
(12:34):
heg Saith, who is y'all secretary of Defense, Why he
shouldn't be drinking on the job, the kinds of things
that happen if you do drink on the job. I'm
not saying he was drunk, buddy, it ain't joe us
acting like it. And let's go to d Tiffany Cross
to break down why all of this is such a
big deal.
Speaker 9 (12:51):
Tiffany, this is so utterly ridiculous. It's not only a
national embarrassment, this is a national emergency. John, and I
just feel like anybody who has the to to come
on air and try to defend this. Scott, you just
said that they're apologetic or that they've admitted some sort
of wrongdoing. We've just heard the Defense Secretary deny this
whole thing and instead choose to attack Jeffrey Goldberg, who
(13:11):
did the responsible thing by not reporting out everything that
he heard on this or read on this signal chat.
When this happened. I actually talked to some friends who
worked in Intel during the Obama administration and the Biden administration,
and I asked, how do you normally communicate about something
like this? And there's a skiff that you have to
have the highest security level to participate in these conversations.
(13:32):
You go in the room where there's no electronic devices allowed,
there are no windows. It's taken very seriously. And this
is what happens when you have a man whose first
job in government was as President of the United States,
who's politically in e FT, who employs people who are
politically in f There's nothing funny about this. We're putting
our people who serve this country at danger, and we're
(13:52):
asking people to believe nonsense. And this is a travesty.
Do we think President She of China is tweeting or
texting about his national security plans. Do we think vladimir's
Zelenski is texting about his plans? Do we think President
Vladimir Putin is spoon feeding Russian talking points to American
diplomats even on signal? This is a thing that people
(14:14):
use to talk to their side pieces, something Hexcess would
certainly know about. This is something that people need to
talk about March madness. It is a crisis that we
need to take very seriously, and we can't present this
as journalists. We cannot present this as though these are
two opposing political points of view.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
This is a.
Speaker 9 (14:31):
Serious issue that we need to take certain patriots Scott
I find it really troubling because they ran on this
whole idea of this pseudo patriotism, this regressive masculine patriotism.
Yet everything they're doing runs against making America great.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So Tiff goes on to let dress him down on
a number of other issues, But the main focus that
I wanted to have there was what she said about
how big of a deal it is that they were
exposing critical well defense information to a reporter. Again, the
editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic now Before
(15:08):
I get into everything that tiff said, what I do
think is important to acknowledge as well is that they
are now trying to make a boogeyman out of Jeffrey Goldberg.
In communication strategy, what you will see, particularly in politics
and political media is when something happens, there is normally
someone who escapegoated. Sometimes that happens within the realm of
(15:31):
like you're on the same side, but somebody has to go,
so you will say, this person over here is the
responsible one. So this person is the one who has
to be punished. Jeffrey Goldberg could actually experience punishment for that,
because you know, we are living in fascists like times,
so they could actually try to prosecute him or what
have you. To again distract from the ineptitude of this administration.
(15:54):
The real didn't earn it HighRes right, so they could
end up scapegoating him. They certainly have begun doing that
in the media. You saw it if you all watched
Pete hegg say being asked about this by a reporter yesterday.
You saw it in what Jesse Water said, and you
see Tiffany coming to the defense of Jeffrey Goldberg in
terms of the standards that he used in his journalistic practices. Now,
(16:16):
the other thing that I think is important that Tiff
said is there's nothing funny about this. Some of us
have been laughing, not because it's funny, but because it
is incredulous to believe that folks would make this type
of a mistake. Again, I worked on the Homeland Security Committee.
If any of us inadvertently exposed classified information, even sbused
(16:39):
sensitive but unclassified information, or if we would have been
tweeting about, or texting about, or signaling about, we have
signal back dag y'allam. Oh, but if we would have
been talking about it on signal, we would have experienced consequences,
some of them criminal, could could be fine, could do
jail time for these things. So that's why this is
(16:59):
so important to understand what is at stake and why
what they did was so wrong. Now, there's one last
piece that I want to share with y'all, and this
was from a presidential debate in twenty sixteen Donald Trump
versus Hillary Clinton. And I'm bringing it up because one
of the things that you know, we talked about the
(17:19):
scapegoat strategy, that boogeyman, the boogeyman for the Republicans right
now for Trump supporters is Jeffrey Goldberg. But there's another
boogeyman or should I say boogie woman, and it's the
what about ASM tactic on those emails. Let's play it.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
I didn't think i'd say this, but I'm going to
say it, and I hate to say it, but if
I win, I am going to instruct my Attorney General
to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation
because there has never been so many lies, so much deception,
There has never been anything like it, and we're going
(17:58):
to have a special prosecutor. When I speak, I go
out and speak. The people of this country are furious.
In my opinion, the people that have been long term
workers at the FBI are furious. There has never been
anything like this where emails and you get a subpoena,
you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, you
delete thirty three thousand emails and then you ask it
(18:22):
washam or bleach them, as you would say. A very
expensive process. So we're going to get a special prosecutor
and we're going to look into it, because you know
what people have been, their lives have been destroyed for
doing one fifth of what you've done, and it's a
disgrace and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of you, sir.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I want to follow up on that. I'm going to
let you talk about it now.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Because everything he just said is absolutely false.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
We understand that he was wanting to set up a
special prosecutor to go after her, trying to appease the
people who were just mad that a woman was running
for president. But I do think that there are some
things that we should know here to be fair and
to be honest. Right, there were two secretaries of State
in the past who used personal emails to conduct government business,
(19:13):
Hillary Clinton and Colin Powell. Some of what they learn
about in classified briefings is the many ways in which
government systems, government devices, and whatnot could be hacked. What
you can guarantee is that there were no situation room
convenings about strikes, military strikes, state department led interventions. None
(19:40):
of that was happening on emails. None of that was
happening on emails. There is absolutely a conversation to be
had about why they would what intel they were relying
upon to use their personal emails to use their own servers.
Why did they think that was more secure than the
government than a lot of reasons why. I didn't know that,
(20:02):
But I think that we have to understand the distinction
here is major. We're talking about an operation, a strike
that costs people's lives, that was violent, and that took
place on March fifteenth under this administration. And we also
have to understand that signal is not allowed to be
downloaded on government devices because they are hackable, So there
(20:23):
is a big difference here. I think the other thing
for us to keep in mind is that the FBI
Director James Coleman, who so I'm still off you, but
he said that there was no criminal activity in what
Hillary Clinton did, which clearly indicates that there was nothing
that was shared from a share from or to her
email that was overtly classified and that compromised the government.
(20:47):
This is different. That is all that they did with
multiple officials on multiple levels fist bumping each other in
this chat, once the strike happens with American flags waving,
there's a difference. Not only did they use this signal
thread to talk about an approach, jd Vance says point
(21:09):
blank he does not think the president understands the ramification
of his actions, not in those exact words, but essentially
that's what he says, and then they go on to
celebrate this act as if it is all a good
thing to cost people their lives. So I think these
are the kinds of things that we have to understand
in making the distinction. Some people still might say, well,
(21:29):
I still want to know what about our emails. Well,
I'm telling you about her emails. She did end up
winning an election. Y'all got this dude for a president instead,
who got a Fox News host as his secretary of Defense,
and they got to go along to get along gang
cheering on the ineptitude that is costing people their lives.
There is a big difference. So now America, we're paying
(21:52):
a cost. So, as far as I'm concerned today, that's
all I got. I'm a pose here just in case
there are any questions about what happened. Jeffrey Goldberg was
affirmatively added to this thread by the National Security Advisor
Michael Waltz, who works in the White House. That is
how he got on the thread. They have affirmed that
(22:12):
this thread was in fact the thing. He was not spooked.
He was not Ashton, your Punk. Some of you young
people don't know nothing about that show Punk, but this
was all the real thing. I wish I could tell
you this is another episode of Real Housewives. But this
is not just reality TV. This is the reality that
we're living in, y'all, so it is a different day.
Let me check for any questions that if we don't
(22:33):
have any I'm a log off because I gave y'all
a bunch of information. Lolo, I don't see any, So
we're gonna rap. All right, God bless y'all. We will
talk soon and I will see you next week for
the Solo pod, and I will see you on Thursday
for Native lampod with my awesome co host Tiffany Cross
and Andrew Gillum. Until then, welcome home, y'all. You guys
(22:55):
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