Is This the October Surprise?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Welcome, Welcome home.

Speaker 4 (00:08):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is episode forty three of Native Landpod, where we
give it to you directly our breakdown of all things
politics and cultures. We are your hosts, Tiffany Cross, Angelu Ray,
and Andrew Gillum. I think I get at least one
of the three of those points correct. Either of them
are going to show up.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm in the South, baby, It's the dirty South. It's
the dirty, dirty South.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Gross, yeah, will take it.

Speaker 6 (00:46):
Welcome.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Hey, I don't mind country.

Speaker 7 (00:48):
I know you don't you our country.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I love the country food, mostly.

Speaker 8 (00:55):
Because country and southern.

Speaker 6 (00:58):
You know, it's very different.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
It is different.

Speaker 7 (01:01):
My grandmother used to try to say I'm not country,
I'm Southern.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
I was like, girl, you actually.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Your grandma probably was southern.

Speaker 7 (01:10):
No, this is granny, this is this was Eddie Rye's mom.
She could be very countrysometime it might have been a
little sitty, but she was also very country.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Andrew Southern, I am.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
All these trees are down, this stuff pops up around.
Allergies for me around weird times. So who knows that
you know a little a little, a little teer here
and there.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
But mostly all things are good.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
How are you on your part of the country, your
side of the country.

Speaker 8 (01:44):
I'm good.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
I am eager to talk about a lot of things today.
You did say a little tear here and there, so
I don't want you to think I didn't hear that
we're thumbtacking that.

Speaker 8 (01:52):
I want to go back to that.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
A lot of people talk about our mini pod last week,
and so I.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
How many last week?

Speaker 8 (02:00):
Well, we talked about like emotional stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
We could throw that in the conversation too, because I
didn't get the feedback. In fact, why don't we What
is on your mind? I know there's a lot percolating
in the atmosphere, but TIF what's up for you?

Speaker 5 (02:12):
I definitely want to talk about the debate, obviously, the
vice presidential debate, but I.

Speaker 8 (02:17):
Think we have to give a little bit of time
to this war.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
You guys know, I've been talking about this for weeks now,
maybe months, saying how nervous I am that at some
point Iran is going to respond and then the United
States will be pulled into a war. And that is
definitely percolating. But first and foremost, I definitely want to
talk about the debate because we all have very different
takes on it.

Speaker 8 (02:41):
So I'm eager to get into that.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Angela, what's up with you?

Speaker 7 (02:44):
All I want to talk about is the debate because
this name of a five seconds left in this election. Yeah,
and I'm waking up at this point in the middle
of the night, like I am so very anxious about
lots of about this election.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
I've been on the stable end of some of Angela's
anxiety about this election.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
Yeah, she's gonna have to tune it out because I
ain't shutting it down no more.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
It's been impacting my hope, and so I want to
address all the all our feelings around here.

Speaker 7 (03:12):
We can address it. I just I'm gonna tell you
I cannot hide it. It's written all over my face,
has written all over, my spirit has written all over,
my sleep has written in my nasal passages. At this point,
let's get into it, okay, And there are there are
There's something that I think that we can do to
be additive to saving this democracy, and that is hitting

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the road, which we are doing.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
So I'm excited about that too.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
I always find out about where we're going and what
we're doing on the show.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
On the show.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Person asking for I don't want the advanced lead. You're like, look,
just give it to me.

Speaker 8 (03:51):
I would rather the audience, like, y'all learning when I'm learning.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
We having an authentic experience conversation on native lamp PID,
so we're gonna be surprised together. Text and I'm not
looking at it until I hear it.

Speaker 7 (04:03):
No, no, no, I'm saying I'm getting text. I just
told you all about the text.

Speaker 8 (04:06):
Was Oh, I see. I thought you were saying we're texting,
that's where we're going. I'm like, no, I want to
hear it.

Speaker 6 (04:11):
Y'all focus on this show. I want to text you
on the side right now.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Guess what listeners and hosts alike we're about to learn
as we're in the show. Can we start to I
want to first bring us up to speed about what
we are hearing knowing on On the pod, we talked
about last week where we took a little bit of
a diversion from politics, which will not be this episode.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
We will stay in politics, but took a.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Little diversion and talk a little bit of heart mind body, spirit,
soul in our.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Really brief about that because I know we want to
get to the debate, but I just it was a
quick break from politics and it was well received. And
I think sometimes, you know, we forget that we are full,
you know, rounded, full human beings, and I think people
appreciate when we talk about our humanity, which also impacts

(04:59):
our pol which I think played out a little bit
on the stage last night. Can I can I jump
into the debate because I want to talk about.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
Can I just ask one question orients? Andrew?

Speaker 7 (05:14):
You literally last episode were evacuated. Oh yes, And I
just want to take a moment to acknowledge not only
what may have happened for you in Tallahassee, but the
folks all over the country, including in Asheville, North Carolina.
We just send our prayers to y'all, and whatever we

(05:38):
can do, please let us know, Please send us comments,
let us know what's happening.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
If you all let us know you're okay.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
I know they talked, They talked about phone lines being
impacted and things being down. Andrew, how did you all fare?
And is everything okay here? What is that?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I appreciate you asking both Angela and Tiffany, and for
your putting up with me, as I was sort of
balancing all the frustrations of all the moving objects. The
reason why it is so jolting for us in this
part of the country. And I would say, up through Ashville,
through North Carolina, through the parts of the country that

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received the greatest impact from this storm, we're not usually
the places. I mean, you hear about North Carolina being
impacted by a hurricane, you hear about Florida being impacted
by hurricane Rarely, ever, are these the parts of those
states that get direct impacts. And so when we start
hearing things like, oh, direct impact ten miles from where

(06:36):
your house is of a category for hurricane or even worse,
the news I was hearing at the time that we
were you know we were recording was a direct impact,
meaning this the eye of the storm coming directly over
where it.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Is you live.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
It sends real nerves through us. And I have to say,
while we were unnerved here down closer to the coast,
the panangular coast here in Florida, I have to imagine
places like Asheville, North Carolina, we're even all the less
ready for a storm of this kind of impact. We're
talking about places whose trees never get shaken quite that way, right,

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and so when trees get shaken that way and storm
water surge starts to come into those areas at ten
fifteen twenty feet, you're talking about lives being lost. Forget
about land and property because you just you just have
to go with what it, you know what is, but

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but real lives being put at stake. And I think
the last that heard there had been this may have
been one of the most significant storms as it relates
the loss of life that many of these areas have
ever seen, have ever seen. And so, like you, my
heart goes out to those who have been, you know,
terribly impacted. We had a excuse me, a tree in

(07:56):
our backyard that came down from our house, and then
there's just you know, debris everywhere. But I have to say,
by and large, by comparison, Tallahassee escaped what could have
been the worst of these impacts. But just to our east,
not just lost of life, but land, you know, property.

(08:18):
These things can be replaced. But but just consider for
a lot of these folks, they just had not prepared
for that scale, that scale and that impact of storm.
My heart does go out to those in Georgia and
North Carolina and in all those places that have been
impacted by this storm, and that with those folks who

(08:39):
were still missing that my hope is maybe they were
able to get out relocate and just because of lines
being down and communication being really unsettled, that weren't able
to communicate that. Thank you for your thoughts and prayers.
I hope folks who are out there, who are in
the zone of impact will write to us, can email us,
can send a video, can say what their needs are.

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Because it's certainly this close to the election, there's a
lot of unsettling. But just in the in the state of.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
People's lives, everyday lives, there's.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
A lot of unsettling, and I'm prayerful that that that
that folks will get the help that they need when
they need it.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
With that being said, you know, I'll kick it.

Speaker 5 (09:21):
Back, Yes, I'll be really quick because I know people
are eager to hear about the debate, but I just
want to on the storm. And so you all have
heard us talk about Latasha Brown on this show many times.
She and Cliff Albright run the group Black Voters Matter.
They are instrumental in saving American democracy. And they were
just honored this week in DC at an event. So

(09:44):
it's like all these donors there and Latasha saying and
just gave this beautiful speech. Cliff gave wonderful remarks. And
when they show on their list of like if you
give this much, this is what this money goes for.
And on the list they had generators and they asked
did they ask the audience do you see anything here

(10:04):
that stands out to you? And somebody shouted out generators
and they talked about seeing people's humanity and that is
something I think that it's so crucial to us as
black people. We are not your political commodity every two
or four years. And I think with Latasha and Cliff,
they you know, they could not go to someone's door

(10:25):
and encourage them to vote and those people are suffering,
or if they say, well, where were you when we
were in need? And so the gap that they feel
and the work that they do on the ground is
tangible and felt, and so it is beyond just voting
with them. They show up and say, hey, black people,
we see you, and we want to make it easy

(10:46):
and inviting for you to participate in this democracy. So
as you were talking about the folks that need that
is not lost on me. I think that's so crucial.
I want to hop it to the debate, yes, because
one I don't know if a lot of people watch
the debate, and I don't think that anybody shows up

(11:09):
to the debate that the debate is gonna make move
them one way or another. You know, I think people
kind of tune in if it's in their background, and
people probably just don't watch vice president's debate. What I
took away from the debate is how much Donald Trump
has changed the political landscape. And I say that because

(11:32):
everybody wants a SoundBite. Now, everybody wanted a punch counter
punch people. You know, the analysis afterwards where you know
a lot of people felt like, oh, Waltz should have
done this or said this, And because jd. Vance was
able to speak in sound bites, it gave the false

(11:53):
impression that he was prepared or he just looked better.
And I just thought, man, how do we get to
a place where if somebody lies but puts it in
a prettier package that that's okay. And I thought, in
the analysis, if everybody who was doing post debate analysis
instead of talking about how articulate he was or how

(12:16):
well he spoke in sound bites. I wonder what would
have happened if they just simply fact checked that almost
every answer he gave was a lie. I don't really
care that Waltz wasn't speaking in sound bites, you know.
I thought he had some clippable moments, but that's It's
kind of like our entire politics are just trivialized to
what is clippable for Instagram, TikTok, the eleven o'clock news

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and the twenty four hour cable news networks, and not
the substance of it. So I was really frustrated watching
that because I'm like, wow, we are really in Donald
Trump's America. Where if walt had said, you know, well,
we'll screw you because I, you know, went to the
Springfield and you don't know what you're talking about, people
are like, yay, he got it, and it's like yeah,
But there was actually a lot of substance in there.

(12:59):
So I liked that it was that he had more
things to say that were actually accurate. So just I
have specific points, but I just thought in the general
style of it that was Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I wonder I thank you for inviting that, because I
think that I know we want to get a break
in here soon, but but I appreciate us maybe each
opening just a moment about some of the telegenic nature
that debates seemed to be sort of flowing. Because I
had a very similar reaction one yes to Donald Trump
effect on debates, which is, now, if folks are on

(13:35):
throwing blows and leveling one another with insult, then it
can't be an interesting debate or it's boring, right like
we're back to, oh, the politics as usual. And then
number two, this this idea that if you look telegenic enough,
and if you deliver the line with a good enough
smile or grand or glance, that all of a sudden,

(13:57):
all of your past is a race. Like nothing you
said up unto this moment matters other than what you
said just in those two minutes or sixty seconds of
a response. And I do think it's important that remind
that we remind each other, that we remind society, certainly
our listeners, that that's not really what the debates are

(14:19):
supposed to be made of, and that certainly isn't what
the totality of a candidate is made of is how
well they delivered in a particular performance. Now, I could
be downrating this because of all the other stuff that
I want to say about what I experienced in that debate,
But just pulling back and looking very optically at this
whole thing, it's mind boggling that we could really resolve

(14:41):
that because I delivered a nice line that what I
said and contradiction to it, and how I have voted
and acted and conducted myself contrary to what I just said,
and the years leading up to this moment up until
I hit this stage no longer matters because I delivered
a nice wink at the end of that of the
sixty second line, Angela, do you have any broad thoughts

(15:03):
before we hit a break on on just sort of
the what debates have become?

Speaker 7 (15:07):
It seems I would love to answer that question on
the other side of a break, so I can start
with a clip, seriously, make up some of the monotony,
and we got it. Yeah, we got a lot of sound.
So if we can hit this break and start with sound,
I think we're good. We've got to pay some bills,
y'all will be our best.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Now.

Speaker 9 (15:37):
Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that
on the abortion policy, specifically, that we have a big
country and it's diverse, and California has a different viewpoint
on this than Georgia. Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona.
And the proper way to handle this, as messy as
democracy sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions.

(15:58):
Let the individual states make their born policy.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Okay, so I wanted to play that because Tiff talked
about Donald Trump's America, Andrew you talked about someone able
to deliver a line. Jd Vance in this debate almost
had me when he talked about his friend who had
this experience where she needed to get an abortion to

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get out of a relationship that was violent. And then
he started twisting and turning in the wind. He started
saying that he thinks that they should be full in
support of full family. He started talking about that things
should be up to the states. Now, I want to
contextualize this with some things. The first thing is, after

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this debate performance last night, Donald Trump goes on to
Trump up to Trump's social is really what it should
be called, but truth social and says that he would
veto a national abortion band. But here are the facts
around this. In March of this year, the Republican Study Committee,
which is a part of the House Republican Cocket Conference,

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said that they want that They endorsed a national abortion
ban with zero exceptions for rape or incest.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
The Republican Study Committee eliminated support for IVF treatment. The
Republican Study Committee endorses banning how do you say this drug?
Mephy prestoned.

Speaker 7 (17:32):
I did not know that's how you say it, but
either way, the FDA approved safe and effective medication that
has been on the market now for twenty years. This
is the same Republican Party and their candidate at the
top of the ticket who has said who has said
that he supports the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe versus Wade,

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has bragged about it.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
So now all of a sudden, they know that they
are now centering.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Themselves in the wombs of women all over this country.
Now they're saying, you know what, maybe we shouldn't be here,
Maybe this could cost us selection.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
So they're pivoting.

Speaker 7 (18:12):
And I think what we saw last night was someone
who could traffic in gaslighting.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
You know this woman who.

Speaker 7 (18:19):
I love you, he says, who needed this treatment, who
was making that decision for herself. If we substituted out
abortion for a rectile dysfunction medication, or for women who
wanted to get boob jobs or Brazilian butt lifts, there
would be no space for us.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
To even be talking about choice.

Speaker 7 (18:44):
I want to bring to your attention this is the
same party that had fits about a COVID vaccination being mandatory.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
They want choice, but choice.

Speaker 7 (18:54):
Is convenient for them, and they only want to ensure
choice when their choices are on the line. But women
forget about it. So I watched this man twist and
turn and contort himself around abortion period and say, my
friend needed this. I understand it, love you, but this
should be up to the states. That's where we land,

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with all of the restrictions that state. We know where
the states stand. We could pull up a state chart
with all of the things they've put up for reproductive justice.
And you know what, y'all, I'm gonna be honest with
you personally, this isn't something that I go out and
be like pro abortion, but I am absolutely pro choice.
I am absolutely not gonna stand in the way between

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a woman and her doctor and what is in the
best decision for her. Life, her children's lives, her community,
her finances. That is not my job and that is
her business.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, so a couple things there. I mean, I think
we all agree there. And to me, it was very
obvious that jd. Vance was lying. It was a clear lie.
Everything he said was a lie, point blank. And I
wish that the moderators served a role other than question
asking when he ran for Senate, he ran on a

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national abortion band. Yes, he has said on the record
to CNN own Manu Rogers that he that he supports
a national abortion band. This is googleably false. This is
demonstrably false. Because you brought up the drug that none
of us know how to say. I think it's methil prestone.

Speaker 8 (20:29):
I didn't know what.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
But I want to say just so you understand and
so the audience understands, to give context how we even
got there, as you all know because we've talked about
it on this show a lot. Trump appointed over two
hundred judges, many of whom are completely in not qualified
to be judges. Most of them are overwhelmingly white and male. Now,
so many people are focused on the Supreme Court, but

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I want to say why the lower courts matter? Because
when this issue came to the courts, all all of
the lower courts, who were well overpopulated with Trump appointed judges,
they were the ones trying to ruling on a case
trying to outlaw this drug. Now, when you looked at
their their argument, I'm saying, why this drug should be outlawed,

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it was nonsensical.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
It was absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
One of the arguments was that doctors themselves could be
damaged by handling this true, precisely, it was so utterly ridiculous.
And this somehow passed the district courts, and then it
passed the appellate courts, and it went all the way
to the Supreme Court. Now, the Supreme Court thankfully stopped

(21:43):
it and said this argument is not realistic, you guys.
This is something that has to exist for women. But
they left the door open that this could potentially be
brought again. When he says that this is the one
to be the Republican party that cares about families, this
is googlably and demonstrably false. They do not care about families.
You can look at their actual policies. But if that's
too wonky for some people, then why don't you just

(22:06):
YouTube what Donald Trump himself says when asked about childcare,
he literally doesn't know what it is. We've talked about
that at nausea on the show last week. The week before,
I went through a whole list of things that the
Republicans have done when it comes to school lunch, when
it comes to childcare, they do not care about families.
When he talks about they want to be the party
of family, we have the pussy grabber in chief himself

(22:29):
on tape saying all kinds of disgusting things about women.
They are not the party of family or family values,
and quite frankly, they have never been. So when I
heard him say that, I wasn't even upset, Angela, to
be honest with you, I was just looking. It's almost
laughable now, it is absolutely ridiculous. So I don't know
who he could possibly sway with that argument, because all

(22:52):
it takes is thirty seconds to look at where he's
on his website. On his website, he said in Abortion Nationally.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
To your response, and as angel Lapool's the audio, it
is they are counting on the fact that they're going
to have an audience of people who for the first
time are being able to hear what these people think
and an undisrupted, uncheckable, unfact checkable environment where basically they're
going to take each of these guys at what it

(23:22):
is that they have to say. That's what they were
counting on last night. And go ahead, Angela, please introduce
your clip.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Yeah, I just wanted to play the audio of where
jd Vance actually stands on abortion.

Speaker 10 (23:34):
Do you think it will be resolved nationally?

Speaker 3 (23:36):
That's Adrian's He was very serious about it.

Speaker 10 (23:38):
He's like, it's going to be resolved nationally and I
was like, oh no.

Speaker 9 (23:43):
Yeah, I mean I certainly would like abortion to be
illegal nationally. A. Don't you know, Adrian's like a smart lawyer, and.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
Yeah, I think he says very clearly, I would like
abortion to be illegal nationally, which means jd Vance is
in lockstep with the Republican Study Committee. Jd vance is
in lockstep with the Heritage found Jason Foundation. Jd vance
is in lockstep with Donald Trump, his boss. Jd Vance

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is in lockstep with Project twenty twenty five. So I
just want to is the preface for wrote the preface
for Yes Right, which very clear as we attacked last
night's debate, which he didn't get held to account for this.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Man can't distance himself from the document by which he
is the prelude to of which he sets up the case.
And just for folks who are not not clear, that
Republican study group, that issue that basically is the policy
center for policy that moves forward through the Congress that
is bannered by Republicans, that's their study group.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
That is the group that.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Is the the the the the Congresses go to anytime
you want to move a particular issue on public policy.
And let's not forget just two weeks ago, the entirety
of the US Senate Caucus, with the exception of two members,
decided they were going to vote against protecting IVF and
women's access and families access to IVF in the entire country.

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That's what Democrats were attempting to push. So this makeover Act,
which can't even be considered serious. But because he again
delivered the line, appearing sincere, that we're supposed to erase
his public positions on these issues from the moment that
he was clocked before making those statements, and all of

(25:28):
his his history as an elected official was supposed to
be erased. Because can I ask you one question, A
line well delivered this.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
I'm curious how y'all feel. I know Angela has a
lot of anxiety around the election. St Angela, I stand
in my belief she is going to win. I'm not basing.
I cannot you know, I cannot look at these polls
every day. I can't look at like the dooms grow
like I just cannot. So I'm not basing that she's
going to win on anything except that it's the only

(25:59):
outcome that my mid can conceive. Right now, I cannot imagine.
I cannot fathom in America that would re elect this man.
Having said that, I'm curious from you guys.

Speaker 8 (26:11):
This is going to come down to white women.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
I think black folks will show up like we always
do and save this democracy like we always do. Fifty
two percent of white women supported Donald Trump. That number
went down slightly, I think in twenty twenty. Now I
wish that they could care about humanity before it became
the abortion issue. Where do you got given that everything

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Angela just laid out everything you said, Andrew, Given that,
where do you all think white women will show up
when it comes to the polls this November?

Speaker 3 (26:45):
So?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Can I offer two things? One an observation that even
though I was pretty critical of the job that Tim
Waltz did and really mostly just not holding jd Vance
to account for the things that he has said pretty
recklessly over the course of this campaign in his public service,
I will say that the aftermath of the polls that

(27:07):
were taken the immediacy of in the immediate aftermath of
the debate, showed his likability, meaning that of VP candidate
Walls going up by sixteen points even And so while
he wasn't the combative I'm going to hold your feet
to the fire, hold you accountable sort of debating candidate,

(27:28):
in some ways you almost wonder was there's some reverse
psychology or some psychology that basically said, if he plays
again the role of the good guy, not the barn burner,
but the good guy, does that insure him more closely
to what American people want to see in their vice president.
So I'll put that as just one observation. The other

(27:50):
observation that I would make, and this is not to
be contrariant, it is I do think that every week
the Harris Walls campaign is going to have to continue
to show what is forward movement, not treading in place.
But real forward movement toward the win, whereas I think
Donald Trump's in his campadre jd Vance can really tread

(28:13):
in place and feel pretty comfortable treading and just not
drowning from.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Week to week.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
And so if I were to use that matrix as
one for surety as we move closer to the election
that okay, Democrats are gaining, that we're showing momentum, that
we're showing movement. I'm not sure that this last week
does more than treading in place for Democrats. And I
think that every week between now and election, as more

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and more people go to vote, vote, early, vote, absentie,
so on and so forth, that forward movement is going
to have to be shown. And there just aren't enough
baked into the cake places where we're going to see
opportunities for real momentum shift. There is not another presidential
candidate debate, we won't see that well. Just as I

(29:02):
have applied this logic of forward momentum, I think white
women are going to want to see forward momentum otherwise, not.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
What do you think they want?

Speaker 5 (29:11):
I'm saying, where do you guys think they will how
they will show up? Angela, I think it.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
All depends on us on Democrats showing forward movement from
week to week, not treading in place.

Speaker 6 (29:22):
Okay, well, I know that we also canter in place.
So we're gonna go to another break.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
We're gonna roll some more sound from the debate last night,
get a little bit more into hopefully our strategy minds
what we think what well, what we think went wrong,
and we'll do that on the other side.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
Of the break.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
We.

Speaker 6 (29:48):
Here tips tip.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
Let me tell y'all, Let me let me bring y'all
because they always talk about we'd be podcasting when when
we're not even recording.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
Let me tell y'all. Tiff is mad right now.

Speaker 7 (29:56):
Because she said we treated her like she was a
debate debate moderatorlast night. She said, y'all did not answer
my question about white women, to which I said, well,
I am not a white woman expert. I want to
talk to a white woman about what they're gonna do
now that I think.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
It's the truth.

Speaker 7 (30:11):
And if you talk about my nerves making your nerves bad,
you making my nerves bad.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Wonder what they're gonna do, because if they do what
they did last time. This me, I now can't handle it.

Speaker 8 (30:21):
Well, I thought that.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
They did what they did last time and we still won.
So I don't know that.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
I'm sorry I said last time. I'm talking about my
trauma from twenty seventeen.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
But I do hear you.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Okay, I get it.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
But but but if they do what they did last time,
which is vote at the same percentage they have, not
giving the vote majority to not giving the white women
majority vote to a Democrat, we still we still can win.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
I think that that is skating on thin ice and
I appreciate, but I appreciate your perspective on this. I
would love if you guys don't mind to just play
one moment where the debate moderators decided to fact check
and somebody had something to say about it because he
thought he was going to do style in all fiction.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Let's road a clip.

Speaker 11 (31:07):
Thank you, Governor, And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield,
Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who
have legal status temporary protective Well, Senator, we have so
much to get to Margaret.

Speaker 9 (31:22):
I think it's important out of the economy than Margaret.
The rules were that you got in a fact check.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Account.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
He did not offer anything that was accurate that they
have the Haitian people in Springfield, Ohio are here under TPS.

Speaker 8 (31:40):
That is that's legal.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
So what he's trying to say is a lie, and
the fort the main moderators correcting that is necessary.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
What are you there for if you're not going to correct.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Y'all, we we should all be able to agree that
if your fight starts with you said you were not
going to get thank you's.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
I wanted to play this.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Clips into this conversation.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Yeah. I love that we're playing clips, playing the.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
Clips and they feeling froggy and they leaping.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Now, y'all, I told you we needed to run that
thing back.

Speaker 7 (32:10):
But I wanted to play that clip because it gets
right to the heart of what Andrew was saying earlier
about him being able to just present a story. I
was saying yesterday, even on social media. Listen, when someone
can just pontificate on fiction and that is more sellable
than the truth, that is a problem, I will tell y'all.

(32:32):
I do think jd Vance won on style, clearly. I
don't think he won on substance because there was no substance.
You can say whatever you want. I told Jill Stein
and m they had an after seven agenda. He had
a ready or not agenda too. You cannot tell people
based on like in a complete one eighty of everything

(32:53):
you've ever done and everything you stood for, that you're
gonna give him the sun to make the room.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
See, I can't say the sun and the.

Speaker 8 (32:59):
Moon and rain.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
You guys know, I just said the room.

Speaker 8 (33:04):
I knew I.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
Sound like Tim Walls last night.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
You know what it must be Jesus, because I was
on Tim Wall's ass. I said, now, I don't know
what he's talking about. He's nervous. I want to see
this notepad. What is he writing down? I was so
frustrated with him because Jadvan's like, say you baby.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
We were texting, was drawing me. Honestly, I was not frustrated.
Like to me, I don't think I was fresh. I
don't think that he lost at all. I don't think
that JD. Vans won it all. I don't think that
they changed anybody's minds. I just don't think that the
vice presidential debate is that consequential. I don't think it
moved the needle at all.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
But that's the thing I didn't want a debate that
was a draw, and I would have been so happy
with Tim Walls that was showing up to interviews.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Howard from the debate, like did you think that somebody
is gonna watch that and say, oh, I've changed my mind,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 7 (33:53):
Wanted to feel excited, tiff. I wanted to be fired up.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
And ready to go, but I was only that.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
This is why I say, are you all trying to
tell me I am? I'm telling you I'm not a
policy person. And to me, this is the kind of
the challenge. Is why I say it's Donald Trump's America
because it's not a pep rally, you know, like this
is these are very serious times. And I think when
you're trying to lay out policy before the America, because
it's not all going to be precisely, it's consequential, and
it's not all clippable, it's not all soundbites.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
But you want to.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Feel like excited, and I think a lot of people
do that want But it's not about feeling excited. They're
laying out policy before the American people rally feeling excited.
Debates are where do you stand on things? In this
particular case, they have to be liar and you got
somebody who ain't lying.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
That's the decision.

Speaker 7 (34:43):
The liar was more exciting than the truth teller. And
that's frustrating because the moderators only fact check twice.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
I think, well, that.

Speaker 8 (34:51):
Dumbley, that was part of the rule.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (34:53):
I dumbley is a word, but I just invented it.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
That you can say it googleable too. That ain't a word,
but you made it google. I agree to the and
then what have I been?

Speaker 8 (35:03):
I don't understand. Here's the point. What is the moderator
there for?

Speaker 5 (35:06):
If you're just gonna ask questions and jade Van says,
oh no, we're gonna we promise everybody lollipops and rainbows
and you're not going to fact check.

Speaker 8 (35:13):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
That's my point. So I just wanted. I wanted. I
didn't want excitement like church.

Speaker 7 (35:21):
Although although we don't even have this clip, Nick, but
can you try.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
To pull it.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
There was a moment where somebody took us to church.
And it's not who has been branded the Party of
the Saints.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
The Party of the Saints.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
Somehow the Republicans were able to take that label and
that ain't the truth when I tell you, Tim Walls
went straight to the Good Book for the scripture that
that is there. More often than not, there's nothing in
the Bible that talks about abortion, but there is something
that talks to us about the least of these.

Speaker 12 (35:54):
I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew
twenty five forty talks about to the least amongst as
you do one to me. I think that's true of
most Americans. They simply want order to it. This bill
does it, it's funded, it's supported by the people who
do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about
how we treat other people.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
It was Matthew, it would Matthew twenty five and forty,
and I literally in my notes I hear, come on, coach,
I just wanted to acknowledge that that was an excitable moment.
There were some other moments when he said, you know,
what's an excitable moment, Let's actually roll it.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
This is where JD.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
Vance was asked, not by the moderators but by Tim Walls,
if he accepted the results of the election, let's row
that he.

Speaker 12 (36:40):
Is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would
just ask that did he lose the twenty twenty election.

Speaker 9 (36:45):
Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris censor
Americans from speaking their mind and the wake of the
twenty twenty COVID situation?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That is a damning That is a damning non answer.

Speaker 9 (36:57):
It's a damning non answer for you to not talk
about sensor ship. Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that
there were problems in twenty twenty. We've talked about it.
I'm happy to talk about it further.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
I love that, So Angela, this is what I'm saying.
Like that to me is case closed, Like you won
the debate, like that's the moment, all this other stuff
because jd Van stands there and he can, you know,
articulate a verb and speaking a complete sentence without saying
twenty times To me, that doesn't mean that he wants

(37:27):
even on style. He didn't win the debate. To me,
I wasn't even excited on the other side, Like you know,
you can get happy excited and need to get angry excited.

Speaker 8 (37:36):
I'm telling you, I felt blah, I was I told
you I was dozing off, Like I'm dozing off. I
can't even stay awake on this debate. It just wasn't
I don't know. It just didn't move me either way.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
I think that they can be used to move things,
and I think that.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
I hear your point.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
I do think, to Tim Wallas's credit, Andrew, I would
love to hear what you think.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
But we call him coach.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
He showed up in the fourth quarter of that debate. Yeah,
he showed up, Like I feel like he was a
hell of a closer. He was a much weaker opener.
He was nervous, he seemed rattled, he was taking notes feverishly.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
I just wanted him to be better prepared.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
And my argument for this is they have decided that
he needed to be taken out of his element, which
became news.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
He was doing interviews so regularly.

Speaker 7 (38:27):
You cannot take a player out of their element and
think they're gonna show up game time ready to play.
So I feel like it literally was his practice the
first three quarters.

Speaker 6 (38:37):
The fourth quarter, he was like a game on. We
were like, brother, that time is up.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
I just think that they it did feel like he
was coached. It did feel first of all, i'd like
him in his glasses. I felt like, what's the name
from my girl? Where's his glasses? He can't see without
his glasses. I'm like, I want to see this man.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
And he didn't have glasses on.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
No, he didn't.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Oh you're saying, oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Like you need with He looked you know, he looked
very you know, well poised and positioned and all that.

Speaker 8 (39:06):
But I know what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
It's like Tim Walls on a stage at a rally
is a different person than we saw on the debate stage.
Not that you know, it moved me either way.

Speaker 6 (39:16):
He was all riddling last night.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
It was given real, don't you think it felt like
people at the campaign were saying, Hey, go out there
and do this, and here's you know, here's what you
say on this, and it's like, you know what, just
go out there and prove to the country that this.

Speaker 8 (39:31):
Man is a liar and an idiot.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
That's that's it.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
And there were some moments, Andrew, I wanted, I want
you to weigh in here too, But there were some moments, Yes,
there were some moments where he.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
Was like, that's just not true.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
Say that as much as you can make sure these
people aren't getting sweet talk to death, and that would
have been exciting to me. It's just like and I'm
not talking about like some people were like he needed
some knockout punches. I didn't need to see like Mortal Kombat,
but I did need to see him not be so passive.
I did appreciate on both sides, both of them say

(40:06):
like finding compassion.

Speaker 6 (40:08):
JD.

Speaker 7 (40:08):
Walls found compassion despite their inability to find any type
of gun safety what I call JD.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Walls which.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Together, yes, I want to hear Andrew, they.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Did, and I actually think that that was a little
bit detrimental.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
You do, I would.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
In some ways, I think that JD. JD Vance needed
to be left out on an island. I think he
is not. I don't think we needed him to be
politically palatable. I don't think we needed to welcome onto
the society or the land of acceptability. I think that
he needed to remain on the ostracized island of conspiracy theories,

(41:00):
trafficking and racism, of creating stories that don't exist, and
being the home state senator who voluntarily puts his constituents'
lives at risk. He's the guy who invited in the
kind of conspiracy theories that had children staying home for days,

(41:21):
that caused Haitians who were here legally to hover in
their homes afraid to go out because they weren't sure
what they were going to be intercepted by. He's the
guy who had the Republican mayor and the Republican governor
of his state saying, please stop, this is dangerous, Please
don't come here, because you're a danger to the people

(41:41):
of Ohio. Who says that to their home state senator, who,
by the way, happens to be of the same party
affiliation that they are no one that ought to be
an ostracized, unacceptable island that you're not welcomed on or
you're not welcomed off of. And unfortunately, I think some
of the you know, backslapping and not backslapping, but certainly the.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Cordiality made it appear that JD.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Vance is acceptable in polite society, and as far as
I'm concerned, he's not acceptable in polite society. We should
have left his ass on the island that he created
for he and Donald Trump. But once I get over that,
I get to I think we can appreciate that yesterday
was no harm done.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Necessarily.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I don't feel like this was game changing in the
way that harm was done, but it's still my belief
that every week has to be a week of momentum
building for the Harris Walls campaign so that we can
have relative maturrety around the wind. I actually think we're
going to win by sake of the numbers. What has
to happen, I think, however, in this race, to avoid

(42:51):
some of the catastrophe that I think Donald Trump and
his team are building for, is that the win has
to be more than by the numbers. I think it
has to be demonstrable. And the way you get to
a demonstrable win is by giving people the kind of
energy and excitement that they want to carry into election.
There and beyond that they want to stand and fight
for you because they know that they know that, they

(43:12):
know that they know that you won this election. And
you've got to have that kind of feeling when it's
a demonstrable win. And I think that's what we're in
the battle for between now and election day, the win
that is noticeable by everybody, no matter what side of
the aisle you come down on.

Speaker 8 (43:28):
But you feel like we're going to win.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I do I think by the numbers. I do believe
that by the numbers, Kamala Harris and Governor Walls will
be the winners. What I think we need to avoid
the kind of election doubt that is necessary still remains
to be seen at this point.

Speaker 7 (43:46):
For me, Angela, how I asked one question. I have
Tiff before, so I don't get in trouble. Let me
answer quickly. I am scared. I'll be scared until two
weeks out. You know what I'm racing for right now? Honestly,
is this October surprise?

Speaker 6 (43:59):
Like today? I was like, was October surprised? And now
Trump is saying he's not.

Speaker 8 (44:02):
He would veto a national workman the October I'm not.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
Okay, all right, well we talk about but hold on,
here's here's my question.

Speaker 6 (44:12):
Really quick.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
Tiff is not going to do this with me, Andrew,
so please indulge me. She's so rude, Andrew, can you
please be JD Van so I can tell you what
the one thing that I wish that Tim Wallas would
have done last night?

Speaker 6 (44:26):
JD Van, So I can do it. Just start talking,
b jd Vance and.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
I'm JD Vance.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I'm too cute by one half.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yeah, and that's why.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
I'm sorry, ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Accepting disruptions in the middle of the debate, my disruptions
in the middle of the debate.

Speaker 7 (44:43):
Make sure that knows that there's dogs and cats alive everywhere.
I just want to make sure he knows. I would
have thrown his ass off at the beginning. I'm so
happy when it started meowing the beginning.

Speaker 8 (44:55):
No, I'm so happy he did not do that, Angela.

Speaker 7 (44:59):
It would have been the kids would have loved, would
have been the native lampid.

Speaker 6 (45:05):
Can you guys please vote on this if.

Speaker 7 (45:07):
You would have liked to see sim Walls mail or
bark at this point talking about these people eating dogs
and cats.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
That tell us, But that to me is Donald Trump's America.
Like we have been grossly unserious country. I do not
want to see the vice president, Angela. I do not
want to see the vice presidential candidate me. I will
when at that time, at that very time, they were
one hundred and eighty missiles being aimed at Israel and.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Oh no, she just dropped off. Oh lord, well you
know why. Let me tell you.

Speaker 7 (45:42):
God took tips mic out so that I could say
that the vice presidential candidates should have probably mailed in
this debate, just to throw them off his game.

Speaker 8 (45:51):
Andrew, but I think you got tip.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
No.

Speaker 8 (45:58):
I know, Angela mute me, but it still sound buzzy.
I don't know if you can hear me. I'm just
trying to say at what was happening at that moment.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Yeah, there were one hundred and eighty missiles being aimed
at Israel. The world was watching this debate to see
where these men stood on policy. I think that's something
you all remember when Donald Trump, now, Andrew, you brought
this up a few weeks ago, when Donald Trump paraded
the women that Bill Clinton allegedly had stepped outside his marriage, Like,
that's that level of petty that I think it contributes

(46:29):
to the dumbing down, quite frankly, of the American electorate.
And they're not running to appeal to the Twitter base
and people on Instagram, you know, Like, we got to
be serious about this.

Speaker 8 (46:40):
So I did not want to.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
Hear him me out and get onbad. But I hear
you on the point. But here's the only thing that
I would say to push back on this, y'all. And
I know we do need to talk about the more
serious pieces of this war that may be coming or
it really is happening, especially when you look at Gaza.
But I would just say, and you're dealing with someone
who is your opponent is unserious, so you get in

(47:05):
the head of the un serious opponent. I think you
just got to do that, you know, like anywhere.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Yeah, that that.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Could have worked, That could work with the Donald Trump.
I sort of feel like JD. E. Vance came in
his full I mean, this is the guy that wrote
hill Billy Elogy that put him centerfold in the minds
of a bunch of left donors who basically said, we
need to now go take bus tours through the real
America and understand this hill Billy elogy thing.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
And I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
This is the same guy who then shows up, you know,
as a vice presidential candidate, no resemblance to the author there,
and then showing up on a debate stage looking and
no resemblance to the guy who he was an hour
just before the And but you had a primal actor

(47:57):
on stage who I thought was not going to be
flappable by some one. Frankly, he thought he was far
above in a debate stage performance. I mean, you couldn't
have told JD. Vance anything other than he was dominating
that stage. And the truth is is for his purposes.
He did do that, but I also think that Walls
did the job at least that was required of him,

(48:19):
and that was not to backstep on behalf of the
Harris Walls campaign. It is we cannot beat the opponent
with the opponent's tools. I do think that there are
going to be some you know, the saying that you
can't dismantle the master siuice using the master's tools.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
I don't think that that was.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Going to be the way that we were going to
unmask him. I think the way we unmask him is
by getting that last minute of the debate and putting
that goddamn thing in rotation because I think his response
there makes him unqualified for the presidency and it needs
to be a rotation period.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Yeah, yeah, period.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
That's how we undo reduction question.

Speaker 8 (49:03):
Is it time for another break or how we think?

Speaker 6 (49:05):
All right?

Speaker 5 (49:06):
On the other side of this, I want to get
into the versioning war happening in the Middle East, so
we'll be right back after this. Great, All right, so
we're back. I So I kind of want to talk
about two things here because they're both related.

Speaker 8 (49:29):
First, Andrew, I know you.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
Have thoughts on what's happening we've talked about Iran was
definitely going to respond to Israel at some point, and
I just kind of want to kick off the conversation
this way because we have to first remember what happened
in the Middle East that while we're here, and why
why this impacts us. This, to me, Angela is the

(49:52):
October surprise. This is what I've been worried about. This
has a direct impact on not only US foreign policy,
but for were this presidential election. I think Americans get
really nervous about seeing a woman as a wartime president
Mexico inaugurated. They are a new president this week who
happens to be Jewish, by the way, but they are

(50:14):
now led by a woman.

Speaker 8 (50:16):
It's just time.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
But when it comes to war, I think people who
are excited to pull the lever for her bristle a
bit and they, you know, want they don't think that
women can be hawks, you know, when it comes to war.
So now that this has happened, this does give me
a little bit of anxiety. I just don't want a
full scale war to break out before our elections. Now

(50:37):
why this matters to us here is because the way
that this was reported. Now you see the headlines the
breaking news banner it is Iran attacks Israel. There is
no mention of what led up to that point. Obviously
Israel has the right to defend itself. Obviously Israel should exist.

(50:58):
I also believe Palestine and Shod exists Palestinians, and Palestine
has the right to defend itself as well. This was
preceded by attacks from Israel on Lebanon. They were going
after the leaders of Hesbola and they killed number one
and two in Hesbula. Why this matters to Iran is Iran.
They are a proxy for these three uh what the

(51:20):
US identifies as terrorist groups. So that's Hesbola, the Hutis
and Hamas. So I say all that to say our
brother Tanahase and.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Tiffany, and I know you didn't I know you didn't mention,
failed to mention or mean not mention this. But the
attack that took place on Iranian soil of a they
basically a sovereign country being the home of another sovereign
country's attack on an individual. Even though they were representatives

(51:50):
of Hesbala and a higher up within that, within that organization,
they did in fact carry out that mission on sovereign territory.
And it also stands to be mentioned that Lebanon, as
far as I last checked, is a country, uh, that
is sovereign and his sovereign territory that is right now,
withstanding actual soldiers from Israel on on their homeland.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
I think that is such crucial context and going into
this discussion and knowing that Israel attacked these two sovereign lands,
why this is relevant, Why I want to talk about
it today. Our brother SONA Hote Coats, is out with
a new book, The Message. He appeared on CBS Morning News.

(52:34):
I want you all to take a listen. He was
on with Gail King. Even though I'm a sports.

Speaker 8 (52:42):
Expert, the football girls, what what is it?

Speaker 6 (52:46):
His name is Nate Broson. He's from the two o six.

Speaker 5 (52:49):
Nate Broson, who is from Seattle, who is a former
football player.

Speaker 6 (52:53):
Where did he play, tiff.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
He played for the Seattle Commanders.

Speaker 6 (52:58):
I believe that's definitely uh, the Seahawks.

Speaker 7 (53:01):
Are He played for the Seattle He did not play
for the seat paid play for the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 8 (53:06):
He played for the Detroit Lions. Like I said, yes.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Several times, like you were saying you were Like I.

Speaker 8 (53:12):
Was trying to stay shout out to Nate and Tony.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Yes, okay, so take a listen. By the time, what's
Tony's last name?

Speaker 8 (53:23):
That I know? He's Katie turns Unseman, but I don't
pronounce his name.

Speaker 6 (53:26):
I don't pronounce it either, But Tony Greek.

Speaker 8 (53:28):
We're gonna I don't know the coopl the coople.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
Okay, sorry, pronunciations he's talking. And this is the first
question from Tony to tana hassee take a listen, Tanahash.

Speaker 13 (53:47):
I want to dive into the Israel Palestine section of
the books, the largest section of the book. And I
have to say when I when I read the book,
I imagine if I took your name out of it,
took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover
of the book, the publishing house goes away. The content
of that section would not be out of place in
the backpack of an extremist. And so then I found

(54:08):
myself wondering, why does Tanahashi Coats, who I've known for
a long time, read has work for a long time,
very talented, smart guy, leave out so much? Why leave
out that Israel is surrounded by countries that want to
eliminate it? Why leave out that Israel deals with terror
groups that want to eliminate it. Why not detail anything
of the first and the second intifat of the cafe bombings,

(54:30):
the bus bombings.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
The little kids blown to bits?

Speaker 13 (54:33):
And is it because you just don't believe that Israel
in any condition has a right to exist.

Speaker 14 (54:41):
Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined,
there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.
That's the first thing I would say. I am most
concerned always with those who don't have a voice, with
those who don't have the ability to talk. I have
asked repeatedly in my interviews whether there is a single network,
mainstream organization in America with a Palestinian American bureau chief

(55:06):
or correspondent who actually has a voice to articulate that
part of the world.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
I've been a reporter for twenty years.

Speaker 14 (55:14):
The reporters of those who believe more sympathetically about Israel
and it's right to exist don't have a problem getting
their voice out.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
The disrespect of that question, I could not believe watching
this in real time that he posed that question to
Tanahase that way. It was so out of order Tanahase
handled it beautifully, but I love the point that he made.
There is no Palestinian voice. He wants to be that voice.
Take a listen to this next exchange, and then I

(55:44):
want to get you guys thoughts.

Speaker 13 (55:47):
Why do the Palestinians have a right to white are
twenty different Muslim countries.

Speaker 14 (55:51):
I answer is that no country in this world establishes
its ability to exist through rights. Countries establish their ability
to exist through force, as America did. And so I
think this question of right to it Israel does exist.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
It's a fact.

Speaker 14 (56:05):
The question of its right is not a question that
I would be faced with with any other country.

Speaker 13 (56:10):
But you write a book that delegitimizes the pillars of Israel.
It seems like an effort to tople the whole building
of it. So I come back to the question, and
it's what I struggle with throughout this book. What is
it that so particularly offends you about the existence of
a Jewish state that is a Jewish safe place and
not any of the other states out there.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
There's nothing that offends me about a Jewish state.

Speaker 14 (56:31):
I am offended by the idea of states built on ethnocracy,
no matter where they.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Are I'm the child of Jim Crow.

Speaker 14 (56:37):
I'm the child of people that were born into a
country where that was exactly the case of American apartheid.
I walk over there, and I walk through the occupied territories,
and I walk down the street in Hebron and a
guy says to me, I can't walk down the street
unless I profess my religion. I'm with another path. No, no, no, no, no,
I want to go.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
This is very valuably important, it extremely important. Let it
lay it down. I'm working with.

Speaker 14 (56:59):
The person that is guiding me is a Palestinian whose father,
whose grandfather and grandmother was born in this town. And
I have more freedom to walk than he does. He
can't ride on certain roads, he can't get water in
the same way that Israeli citizens who live less than
a mile away from him.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Again, and why is that?

Speaker 14 (57:19):
Is that?

Speaker 13 (57:20):
Why is there no agency in this book for the Palestinians.
They exist in your narrative merely as victims of the Israelis,
as though they were not offered peace at any juncture,
as though they don't have.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
A stake in this as well?

Speaker 4 (57:30):
What is their role in the lack of a.

Speaker 14 (57:32):
Pela have a very very moral compass about this, and again,
perhaps it's because of my ancestry.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Either apartheid is right or it's wrong.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
Either it's right or it's wrong. Angela.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
I mean, I'm so offended at this whole interview. Bravo
to utanaha See for doing a great job. I'm looking
forward to finishing the message. But that interview was so
out of pocket. He's literally asking how Palestinians invited themselves
to be living under apartheid when nearly fifty thousand, mostly
women and children, have been murdered. He's asking, well, have

(58:07):
we considered what they did to deserve that? It is
so disrespectful. I'm curious, you guys thoughts.

Speaker 7 (58:13):
I really want to apply Tanahse for this interview because
I was thinking if that were my first question, like
going back to that initial question from Tony to Koople,
I believe is how you pronounced his last name.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
I apologize if there's some disrespect on your name. But
to as to address the disrespect of that question, he
says to him, if we were to take your name off,
take your awards off, take the cover off, take off
the publishing company, basically erase you and then put this

(58:51):
material wherever right, like, why do we have to talk
about erasure? The very point is that he used the
boldness of his platform, the strength of his name, the
ability that he's used to make arguments that are common sense,
to finally help even white folks understand reparations not just
from the slave trade, but from Jim Crow, but from

(59:14):
racially restrictive covenance. His brilliance in being able to help
people understand the nuance of the oppression that folks play
experience globally is the reason why this book actually works,
is the reason why there could actually be a cease fire,
is the reason why there should be peace in that region.
We don't have to erase him to have that conversation,

(59:36):
but I applaud him because he showed us the type
of restraint that we need as people of color in
this world to make a point about why we deserve
peace and why we deserve to survive and why we
deserve to thrive. And I'm saying we with intention, because
if we don't start saying we with intention, and we
say that's not my problem because I have to fly

(59:58):
to get there, and we say that's on my problem
because I don't have any people in my family who
are in this area. If we say that's not my
problem because we don't see its direct impact despite history
telling us something very different, that is all that is
wrong with this interview. We have to look at this
not myopically. We have to look at this not from

(01:00:18):
just our economic impact. We have to look at this
from what courage looks like. We have to It is
incumbent upon us too. I said earlier, I cannot wait
to read this book to be stretched, for my blind
spots to be exposed. And I thank God for him
being able to sit with the discomfort of nuance, not
just in this interview, but in going to Palestine himself,

(01:00:42):
to see his own privilege and to think about what
that might mean for the people who have to dwell
without that privilege.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
I'm gonna sow by it. I'm gonna stop.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
That's real.

Speaker 11 (01:00:53):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Bothers one that made me excited to read Tamahasse's book,
which I'm going to go out in order immediately when
we are done from here, but also Tony's intellectual dishonesty
and the phrasing, the way in which he set the
art almost as if the Israeli state doesn't deserve to exist.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Well, when was that proffered?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I had read the book, but I could conclude pretty
clearly from what I heard from him he didn't assert.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
He didn't assert that notion at all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
When did they decide that they don't don't don't deserve
to be protected and that the two antifadas didn't exist,
and that they're surrounded in a and a part of
the world where they're surrounded by enemies.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
Yes, enemies that have been.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Frankly made useless. Frankly because of the United States intervention.
We've basically gone on and broken pieces.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
On the backs of the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Which is really what has me most nervous this October
surprise potential.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
What has me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Most nervous is that it appears that we are prepared
to be led by the nose into a war right
before a potential administ well, no, what will be an
administration change in the United States. So the fact that
I heard from the White House this morning, we all
heard the announcer from the White House that not only
does the US stand to be prepared for Israel to

(01:02:15):
now exert a response and that region of the world,
but plans to come to its aid in a response, Well,
guess what Israel may say its sites in Iran. But
Israel by itself cannot level the nuclear capacity of Iran.
It takes the United States to do that. And even
if the United States were to do that, it would

(01:02:37):
take us ninety days at least to accomplish that mission.
So the fact that we may be drugged by the
nose into this conflict right before the before an administration
change unnerves me at all kinds of levels. And I
think it is going to handicap Kamala Harris's ability to
state what her approach would be in the region if

(01:02:58):
Joe Biden leads in this direction. This, this, this conversation
deserves a lot more discussion. There's a lot of nuance
to it. By God, do I applaud Brother tanahasse Coast
for the restraint that he and I could hear it
in the quivering of his voice. He really wanted to
snatch this man's snow a soul, but he kept it leveled,

(01:03:20):
and he kept it to the principalities, and he didn't
bite on Tony's assertions that he never stated himself, that
he never sat himself only to get the humanity to
prevail only so that humanity could prevail in the conversation.
It was a masterclass and and I and I'm offended

(01:03:41):
that that's how this conversation evolved was frankly from a
bunch of non sequiturs and a bunch of assertions and
a bunch of statements not made by tanahassee himself, beliefs
not accredited to him, that he had to basically unbury
himself from underneath before he could even get to the
point of the matter.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
And nothing, you know, the one last thing I wanted
to flag for y'all, It wasn't in the sound by
set that to full. But at the end of the conversation,
Tony says to him, well, you're still invited to high Holiday,
which to me was like our our version of got here.
You're still You're still no, You're still invited to the cookout.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
And it's like that, I know what you meant, but
but no, I.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
Was, I was, I was going to make that point.
I didn't even hear you. I'm sorry, a g. I
want to hear what you were saying, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Was just no, I wasn't saying anything angel I was responding.
I didn't hear the I didn't see the interview, so
you're saying that you're still invited.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
To high holiday. So I was like, but that's my point, right, Like.

Speaker 7 (01:04:42):
Part of what I love about our show, and I
was thinking about it driving over here is we hold
space for nuance.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
We hold the ability.

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
To say, wow, I disagree with you, and sometimes it's
even offensive how much I disagree with you, but I
still love you, and I still want to cherish and
hear another perspective. To be someplace where someone is at
least a professional friend and someone you respect.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
It should not have been minimized to that.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
And I think our responsibility in media is to ensure
that we can have this dialogue.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
Well why is that your experience? Well what led you
to that place?

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
Well?

Speaker 6 (01:05:23):
What happened when you were there?

Speaker 7 (01:05:25):
You've now had an experience with a group of people
that I've never even heard from that I've never even entertained.

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
What did you learn from that?

Speaker 7 (01:05:33):
And being okay with whatever they say on the other
side of that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
It is so important. We live in a world that.

Speaker 7 (01:05:41):
Is full of the gray. It is not flat and
black or white. There's so much nuance here. We've got
to be okay holding that nuance and getting to compromise.
We are past the debate. But I will say, even
though I don't want to neutralize the craziness and the
weirdness that is JD Vance, it is so important to me,
as someone who worked in politics, for humanity to be

(01:06:05):
recentered in our policy making. And that means people on
both sides of the aisle actually have to come to agreement.
You can't damn near risk a government shut down every
time budget comes back up. That cannot continue to happen.
We've got to hold space and exist in nuance. We
just do, and that interview shows why we haven't been

(01:06:26):
able to.

Speaker 8 (01:06:27):
I think I just.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Before you wrapped that, I just wanted to say, but
you saw what happened there. This wasn't an invitation for
a nuanced conversation. What happened from out of the gate
was a drawing of the red line. There was a
highlighter taken out and he and he pulled that. He
pulled that highlighter over the red line to exclaim, this
is not a place you want to cross.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
This isn't a place you want to cross.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
That's what I dangerous. Yeah, I'm saying, I'm saying to me,
our space is the exact opposite of that, and I
want to challenge media organizations, podcasts, people at home agreed
to exist in the nuance, be okay with the discomfort.
TIF asked us those questions sometimes, like even earlier, like

(01:07:14):
what do you want to what do you think that
white women are going to do? I don't want to
sit with that, but I'm glad that she raised it
to force us to sit with it for the day.

Speaker 8 (01:07:22):
No, I don't want you that was not my invite.
I do not want you to sit with that for
to day.

Speaker 7 (01:07:27):
Well, I mean, I mean, I mean asking it so
that it's not a blind right.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
It's like at ease.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
I think we're victims of our technology right now, Yeah,
because it's I think we're cross talking in this the
my thing is slow and like you're getting a sentence
out before I get I'm not in disagreement with any
of that. I think you're completely right, both of you.
I just really regret that that conversation jumped off at

(01:07:54):
the red line.

Speaker 8 (01:07:56):
It was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Exclaiming of the red line.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
Well, there was a Angelo's point about having nuanced. There
was a much better conversation between Tanahasee and John Stewart,
and John Stewart is so good at this and he
talked about like his complicated feelings around everything, and at
the end he and by the way, this was also
Tanahasee's birthday where all this was happening.

Speaker 7 (01:08:19):
Oh my God, to celebrate.

Speaker 8 (01:08:25):
Him by this man's book.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
But what John Stewart said to him is like, hey, man,
I know you're going through a lot saying these things
and releasing this book and Tana has He said, I'm
sorry to interrupt you, but I just want to say
what I'm going through is nothing compared to what I
saw the Palestinian people going through there. So he's not
asking for any sympathy. You know, he's not as anybody
playing violin. He is fine going into the fire pit

(01:08:49):
and battling intellectually with somebody who takes on a different opinion.
But I appreciate that he held space for the humanity
of the Palestinian people and said, yeah, don't don't waste
your sympathy on me. Think about what they're going through
every day. It's nothing compared to what I'm going through.
I will also say I feel like I tried to
sit in the New hous. A lot of times I

(01:09:10):
have more questions than I do answers. But I'm also
not offended at people disagreeing with me too. I think
a part of that is well, a part of it
is I'm never trying to convince somebody else to feel
how I feel. That's that's not ever my intention. I
don't think y'all tell me if you think I'm wrong,
if you're like, that's a lie because you were trying
to convince us all the time. I think my approach

(01:09:31):
is here's how I feel, here's based on here's why
I'm trusted, or here's how I'm informing my opinion, and
I'm presenting it to whomever, to the audience, to you guys,
the friends, the group chats, whatever, and then after that
I'm pretty much like I'm and I'm open to hear
how you feel. But you can't convince me of something
that I don't gree or you can't talk me out

(01:09:52):
of my experience, or you can't say the thing I
read isn't true or whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:09:56):
But I'm not.

Speaker 7 (01:10:00):
A good conversation for the mini pod, like, are we
ever trying to convince people? Because y'all know I stay
trying to go.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Okay, well, well let's talk about it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Edit that out. We're gonna talk about that on mini pod.

Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
No, don't edit it out. We're gonna use it as
as a teaser.

Speaker 8 (01:10:12):
I love.

Speaker 6 (01:10:13):
We have the new calls.

Speaker 7 (01:10:14):
To action, you guys, and we have a we have
a question we never got to but we're definitely really
deep into this podcast, so maybe that could be in
our minipop.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
I'll give my call to action to the questioner.

Speaker 6 (01:10:26):
What's the Oh that's nice, Andrew, Well, I'll yield as well.

Speaker 10 (01:10:30):
Welcome home, folks. Angela my sister, you know, I love
you with my whole heart. Andrew home team. Hope you're well.
My brother Tiffany, I don't know you, but they love
you so I love you, can't wait to meet you.
I am actually coming to you today because I have
a little situation. As some of you may know, have

(01:10:53):
a nonprofit mentorship program for young men. But I'm coming
I'm running into a problem with some of them, them
who have since you know, they've graduated there in college.
They're doing their own things, but they don't recognize the
importance of voting. And I've tried to talk to them.
I've tried to reason with them. I've explained to them,

(01:11:15):
but they are totally uninterested and that breaks my heart.
It almost feels like I failed them in some way.
So I need your advice because I'm trying to reach
these boys, some of them not even registered, and I'm
trying to get them to where they need to be. Help, help, help,

(01:11:36):
love you all.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Thanks.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
So, first, I just want to say, TIF, he did
not mean that. That is Ryan Christopher Reid, who is
from Gainesville, Florida, Andrew, and I actually really know him.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
He's not just saying.

Speaker 7 (01:11:50):
Yeah, like I know y'all, but TIF, I don't do
you like that? But I love you because they love you.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
It wasn't that you literally when we meet.

Speaker 7 (01:11:57):
Yeah, we're gonna make sure you guys meet Ryan christ
You know, I love your commitment to young people. You
know on this podcast, we're certainly committed to everybody as well.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
Florida is so critical.

Speaker 7 (01:12:10):
And I actually want to heal this answer Andrew to
your sister Tip who said she doesn't try to convince people.

Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Convince him, now, Tip, why don't you do that about voting?

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Uhh yeah, so even that, so I've been told and
you are accused in the past that you know, the
way I will try to convince people to vote, it's
like you're shaming them, and you can't shame people in
the voting. So I stopped doing that, and so I
want to first acknowledge people's humanity.

Speaker 8 (01:12:38):
This whole idea that if you don't vote, you don't count,
that is a lie. Of course you count.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
You count because you are here on this earth, you
draw breath, you are living life, and we honor and
support you and want you to be active participants in
this here democracy. What I would recommend to my new
friend who I'm looking forward to meeting, is not to
make it about the election. You know, when I talk
to people, and sadly it is mostly men. When I

(01:13:04):
talk to people who just have no interest in participating
in democracy.

Speaker 8 (01:13:08):
What I ask is, well, let's say you.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
Were in charge of this here ten blocks the ten
block radius. You're now in charge, and that means you
got to be over trash, pickup school funding, and we
gonna give you everybody in the neighborhoods. They don't give
you a pot of money, and you have to make
sure all these people are well taken care of and
organize it. That is a completely different conversation because then

(01:13:32):
you've given these men agency. Then you have said, okay, well,
if I'm in charge, this is how I wanted to go.
And that is what we want to say to people.
It's not about you believe in the system. We believe
in you, brothers. We want you to participate in it.
You have agency over this democracy. That is what voting is.

Speaker 8 (01:13:52):
What does this.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
Democracy look like if you are its architects? And by
participating in the system, even if you're just participating in
it to disrupt, which we hope you do, you have
to participate in it. You have to understand it to
be a part of it. So that would be my
pitch to him to say to these young men, give
them agency, not you know, oh, the white man system

(01:14:14):
needs you to participate in it, because that's gonna turn
me off too. I'm gonna walk away from that. I've
survived good and bad administration, So how is this.

Speaker 8 (01:14:20):
Important to me? But telling you you are crucial and
integral to how this country functions, I think it's a
completely different message.

Speaker 7 (01:14:28):
And not just the country, but even on local and
state level. Andrew, this is a question about Florida young
men in particular. I know this is one that strikes
home for you because, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
You.

Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
Relied on those votes and you needed them at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
And I'm increasingly where Tiffany is. I think I've embraced
this whole non shaming approach to registration, and I just
think it's hard to convince people to buy into a
system that they don't feel as working for them, and
I think the best way to make it plain is
to put them in some of the decision making seat.

(01:15:07):
I think that's why we need to run people much
more through what it means to have local and better
than that almost neighborhood level governance. Like when we reach
an agreement and everybody says we're not fighting, then we're
not fighting. That's not how we're settling things here. We
go into the whatever table and we'll play craps for it,

(01:15:27):
you know, whatever the decision making is. I may have
trivialized that, but the point being like, how can I
convince you to buy into a system that you, for
as far as you're concerned, have never seen worked for you.
And maybe what it might take for Chris to do
and others like him is sit there and break it
down to a level so that they then get to
see how it works. So, for instance, we just had

(01:15:48):
a hurricane come through here. Do you want an example
of what it means to have a government that is
responsive and one that is not prepared to care, couldn't
care less about how you survive through this thing? Take
a train by way of example, and then maybe what
we have happened as a result of this storm in
this area. The difference here was one of governance. The
difference here was one of whether or not you have

(01:16:11):
people who cared about your existence and those who didn't.
Maybe take it to a local barbershop, Ask him how
he opened, Ask him whether what kind of license he
needed to get that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Did he get a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Small business loan in order to make that happen? Maybe
return the question do you have a vision of one
day owning something?

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
And how that might work?

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
But I think we've got to make it much more
applicable to people so that they really people have, truth
to the Bible, have no clue how much government interferes
and interacts and intervenes and curates every part of their living,
of their being. Even the neglect of your life is
curated by a power, a higher power, largely a government.

(01:16:52):
The things you don't have, forget what you do, the
stuff you could only hope for but never get to
attain because somebody's a decision that you don't deserve it,
that those things, those nice things, aren't for you. So
I just think we do have to go the extra
model of helping people to see how this thing really interacts,
interplays and affects their lives. And then you know what,

(01:17:14):
once you know better, my grandmama say, you do better.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
So now that you know better, hopefully you will do better.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Now if you choose after knowing not to do well,
I've got to say, you got to deserve what it
is that's coming for you or not coming for you.

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
The Lord Saints was mine Ford c two of us?

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Did what about you?

Speaker 6 (01:17:38):
Tell you?

Speaker 8 (01:17:40):
I wanted to give it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:43):
Okay, I'll be real quick, said that it was five minutes,
but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
And I'm certain it was probably be No, it wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:17:53):
It was tilast She's like, hobby. I was like, this
is not quick, anyway, to go ahead.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
I'll be quick.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
I was having this how I know our phones listeners
because I've been having a debate with a mutual friend
about how dogs are treated, and some people just don't care.
You all know I care very deeply, and so because
I was having this debate, I've been getting flooded with
all of these videos and pleas and emails and everything

(01:18:23):
about you know how to treat dogs. So this is
my cta. Please be kind to animals. I know a
lot of people have normalized leaving dogs tied up outside
all day. That is a form of animal abuse. Please
do not leave your animals inside. There was a hurricane.
I saw videos there were people's animals who were literally

(01:18:45):
chained to a fence and pouring down rain. It is
so awful, awful, awful, awful. So I would just invite
people to consider animals. They're smaller, sweeter, kinder than any
human being can ever be. Pitbulls are my absolute favorite.
They're the sweetest, kindest dog. I can't stomach animal abuse.
I literally I can't look at it and have nightmares

(01:19:06):
about it. I just I don't like it. So my CTAs,
Please donate to a SPCA, they do great work. Donate
to the Humane Society, Foster a dog. Don't go to breeders.
But if you can give an animal a home, please
do so. And if you can't, please don't be indifferent
to the pain and suffering of animals.

Speaker 6 (01:19:24):
So that's also feels like an appropriate time to bark
or meal?

Speaker 8 (01:19:27):
Is that now is an appropriate time? Do you bark?
Considered a little innocent?

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
Cats and dogs all animals though really all animals Like
I it's so sad to see how people normalize abuse.

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
We should bark like and coming to America, well, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
We can bark, but I don't want to make light
of animals suffering.

Speaker 8 (01:19:50):
That's the only thing.

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
Being very sincere to the people I want y'all to know,
I'm sincerely asking you don't be indifferent, even if you
don't like it, Like I don't understand wo who dislike dogs,
but don't be indifferent to the suffering. If your neighbor
keeps a dog tied up outside, that's animal abuse, Like
that's not okay. So and if you can't make a
dog a part of your family, then don't get one.

Speaker 6 (01:20:10):
And please make sure you pick up after your dogs.

Speaker 8 (01:20:14):
Yes, I know I have been accused of.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Not scooping theo you leave dogs out.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
I have before, I don't I when I have fostered,
I have left dog poopoore like.

Speaker 8 (01:20:31):
I'm not picking up in somebody's yard that I will
scoop the poop.

Speaker 6 (01:20:36):
Well, I also get married with people pick up after
the dog and they put.

Speaker 7 (01:20:40):
The they put they put the dogs in my trash can.
I don't want that in my trash can.

Speaker 6 (01:20:47):
It's nasty and its steak up your trash can.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
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been thirty three count on thirty three days until Elation Day.

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Want to let the dogs Outran.

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Welcome y'all.

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