September 19, 2025 • 33 mins
On this week’s MiniPod: the internet has been CRAZY lately. After a tumultuous week filled with rage, death threats, and extreme emotion, our hosts Angela Rye, Andrew Gillum, and Tiffany Cross discuss how they are protecting their peace.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, Welcome, all.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Right, welcome, welcome, Welcome to your Native lamp Pod family.
We are here with this week's mini pod. Where we
ended this week's episode, we were doing our calls to
action as we typically do at the end of our show,
and we got over to our sister Angela's call to
action and notice that something has been stirring in her
soul a little bit. And so as we thought about
(00:32):
what topic to platform for this week's mini pod, we
thought that maybe Angela, you might be able to toss
the topic out as you as you deal with what
was stirring in you, that might stir in us as well.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Well. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I want to apologize as I did not expect to
be as overcome by emotion. Y'all know I can cry
about anything and will, but it was to the point
where I couldn't really.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Get it out.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And I think the convergence of the personal with the professional,
with the societal and all that makes that psychological just
you know, it hits walls. And then there's a point where,
like there's some little microscopic leaks in the dam, and
then those leaks become bigger and then there's the floodgates open.
(01:26):
And so I spent probably I had three like therapy
appointments within a twenty four hour period this week and
really just trying to wrap my mind around that everything
that's happening. But I had, like I don't know if
you guys have ever done like tapping or therapy where
they encourage you to like scream into a pillow. And
(01:47):
I didn't scream into a pillow. I was in the
mirror in the bathroom and just like was feeling like
I was breaking. And then I was mad at myself
because I immediately knew. I was like, goddamn it, now
you hurt yourself, you know, like I knew, like it
was so like the thing that's supposed to provide relief
(02:07):
also caused harm.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And so where you're in this environment where.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The things that you typically would go to, the places
that you would go, the people you would speak to,
the programs that you would watch, the spots lives in DC,
the spots where you would normally go that are safe,
all of that is ruptured. All of that is in
upheaval and so having the control issues that I have
(02:34):
not being able to provide safety there, you know, again,
like we're taking some small steps with my mom's chemo
where she's taking a break from chemo for a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
She fail.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I hope, Mommy, I'm sorry, I'm telling your business, but
she fail. We were walking in the house the week
before last getting as I E.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Bowls, and I was like, oh, I should have been
walking with her.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
But there are these things we do around control where
we think that that control role is the same as safety,
and really that form of safety is illusory. And then
does that mean that the type of peace that we
lean up up against is also illusory? And so then
the question becomes what really is safety and what really
is peace? And how can you really, you know, from
(03:18):
the biblical concept, guard your mind when all of the
people and the things and the places and every other
type of nown you lean up against is compromised or.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Destroyed or whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And I think there's just something about that that is
really deeply unsettling for me, and I think from a
psychological standpoint, this week it just came to a head,
like it's like like I'm supposed to be able to
count on you, you know, or like how betrayal feels it.
I just feel like we're being betrayed on every side,
(03:56):
and that of course conflicts with my with what I
think safety in peace.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, you know, the enemy Angela's I know, you know,
you know, the warfare is in the spirit and in
the mind, right if if if, if, if we can
be if we if our mind can be overcome, which
obviously I find sort of fine sibling to the spirit. Right,
I do have thoughtful mind by which you know things
(04:24):
have vetted through. We all do. But also my mind
is very much so connected to my spirit. Right, what
I'm thinking about manifests itself, you know, then in a
spiritual form and then this metaphysical and then the physical
form it shows up, right, and the way we stop eating,
and the way in which we present, and you know,
(04:46):
throughout our best efforts still gets sort of dragged into
the place where we don't want to portray ourselves as right,
especially Angela, as you are so often and the lead
in so many plays, So your comportment and how you
present often becomes what others then adopt. Right, It gives
(05:08):
them courage, It stiffens their spine. And the truth is
is like that's a weight too heavy for any one
person to be three sixty five twenty four seven period.
I know I felt it in my own life. I
know on the listener side, because they give us feedback,
I know that they feel it, and I I don't know.
(05:30):
I don't know about how you cope with it, Tiff
and you Angela. But a practice that at least I've
come into more regular interaction with is grace, like the
backing off the judgment of myself what I did, How
this could have been managed? How d da da da
da dad? To read the constant replaying and replaying and
(05:53):
rewinding that you know, spin rent cycle, you know that
we're often on around these incidences is just robbing us
of so much. And if some you know, wouldn't we
all love if somebody gave us the secret route around?
And I think part of the secret route around is
like those things are insignificant to the bigger and that
(06:18):
if we could, if we could stay our mind and
our spirit on this bigger thing and remove all of
these obstructions that are really designed to keep us from
the promise, how much better it would In the long
run be and that's a hard thing to accomplish when
(06:39):
you're in the in the flow of it. So experiencing
the flow as a good person and a good friend
of both of us once said Angela that it doesn't
mean that we don't get impacted by those things. Those
things will still impact us. What we're hopeful for is that,
through our earned wisdom and lived experience, that our recovery
(07:04):
time will be quicker. So the thing that used to
put me out for a week now puts me out
for an hour, and then I'm recovered, and I'm now
putting into place the practices that get me back on
mine rather than off kilter. I'm now back on kilter.
So it's not the promise isn't that you won't get
off kilter. The promise is that you hope that the
(07:30):
next time you're off, your ability to respond and to
get back on becomes that much more quicker than it
was before, ultimately to the point where the stuff that
used to move you in those ways that used to
throw you off don't even didn't pierce you anymore. That's
what I'm practicing and experimenting with is just the idea
(07:53):
of how do I put the things that I know
that I know that I know can work when practiced,
and practice cansistently when that becomes part of my default,
rather than me having to reach for it and find
it every time, when it's becomes part of my natural
default such to the point that I can't get thrown
(08:14):
the way that I was throw before. A different thing
is happening in me now, and therefore my ability to
put it all back together is going to be that
much quicker than it was before, and so on and
so forth.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, thank you Angela for sharing that, because I think
it's such an example that it makes me feel less
alone on the island, and I hope it makes our viewers,
our our our audience feel less alone. I talked a
bit last week about this immersive therapy that I did,
and I'm sharing that because I don't want people to think.
(08:49):
You know, sometimes you hear people where they're like, I've
achieved this nirvana and you know, I've gotten here, and
I would wonder like, but how like what specifically? And
it's like, oh, I did daily meditation, and you know, yes,
I have tried those things, but this was a chemically
immersive therapy session. I won't say too much about it
(09:10):
because I don't want to encourage or discourage anything.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
But it is.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
In trials places and if you all follow, like Sonzi
gup Or, I've been reading about things, there are different
things that people have tried to almost rewire your brain.
So I did that level of immersive therapy. And the
reason I did is because I felt anxious. I felt
(09:38):
a sadness that was in the depths of my spirit.
It wasn't in this human body. It was like in
my spirit that I still feel it, and I wanted
to try to go inward and pierce that. And so
when I hear you talk Angela about any one of
the things that I personally know that you're dealing with,
would command all my attention and my energy. I could not,
(10:01):
you know, juggle some of those things. And you know
how I feel about just mothers and navigating all of that.
And I've dealt with my mother, you know, battling cancer,
and it just it stills you in such a way.
It's just hard to explain if people haven't gone through that.
(10:23):
To see your mother in pain or see your mother
going through things, I mean, it is just something that
changes the fabric of who you are as a woman
between mother and daughter, so I know what you feel.
Even the memory of that just breaks my heart. So
(10:47):
I'll say that and I think about the days will
come that my mom is not with me. That thought
breaks me and I won't be right for a while.
I'm just telling y'all, I will not be right at all.
(11:08):
And so when I think about that, it just consumes
my spirit, like really, everything in me. Send at her
bedside broke me. It changed me forever. My mom and
I have a challenging relationship, as I've talked about, but
(11:29):
we after that, I just felt like there's not going
to come a time where I don't speak to my mom,
you know, like it's just this time here is too brief.
What I took away in this immersive therapy, and that
will I will tell you about offline because if you
want to try it, I'm happy to have it.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
It makes life.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
See, this is what I'm talking about, Like politics seems
so little to me. It just doesn't. It can't command
my attention in the same way. Whatever is happening here
right now can't command my attention in the same way
because it's like this brief life expirit it's so quick,
you know, it's so fleeting, and I can't I can't
(12:08):
connect with things the same way it is. I saw
my spirit inhabit this human body. And so if you
take you Angela, and it's like you lose your limbs,
you lose your all, your all, your limbs, you lose
your hair, you lose your eyelashes. Are you any less Angela?
So then what is the thing that makes Angela Angela?
(12:30):
It's that spirit and that is the most present thing
that we have to protect. And so for me, I
have made the decision to walk away from things, to
walk away from people, to walk away from situations and
feelings with a lightness. And even now this sadness, it's
(12:50):
a heaviness.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I just feel like, oh, it's time for sadness. Now, Okay, sadness,
I welcome you. I will feel this, I will let
these tears flow, and then sadness will leave and I
can say I'll see you again soon, and it's okay.
So I can't explain how navigating that is, but I
just want you to know I understand.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, I'm grateful for your share, Tiff. I think there
are a lot of therapies now that people do. Some
are more welcomed and received in like different parts of
the country or different parts of the world, including like
in South America that people go and especially from here,
fly to do ayahuasca journeys. In South America. There's something
(13:40):
called bouffo, which is toad medicine. There's and then there's
something where they think it's like the traditional toad medicine.
It's like they scrape the top layer of toad. People
smoke it. It's called boo. There's mushrooms people, do you
know there's some some states. Yeah, there's of states that
are there are states that are now approving the use
(14:03):
of psychedelic mushrooms or psilocybin to help aid people in
overcoming depression.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
It works.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And so the other thing I would say is there's
also a more chemical form of those treatments called ketamine,
and people are also using those therapies as well as
guided by psychologists. And what I would tell you guys
is sometimes in order to protect your peace, you first
have to find it. You might have got lost along
the way, the foundation may have been disrupted, whatever it is.
(14:36):
But I think this week what I realized what I
cried about. What I screamed about is I was like,
how did I let myself get so far outside of
my piece? Why did I allow that detachment to ever
take place? And so then there's this guilt that you
go through, and then you have to like, well, hopefully
we can get to the place where we say, Okay,
(14:57):
you did the best you could.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I'm just going you where we are.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But when I tell y'all, I have never I can't
think of a time why I've ever felt so far
outside of my body. I was like, I got we
gotta reconnect, Like I don't know what happened. So that's
why I was saying when we were talking about the
shooting last week, there was a grief for me.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
But the grief for me was like, how.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Could our people have poured so much into this country
to still be so violently attacked, to still be called
everything but a child of God, to still be trying
to find ways to disqualify our humanity. And I just
there's something about it that's maddening to me in this moment,
because of course we always know that there are people
(15:43):
that think that way, but I just didn't think it
was going to take such a foothold, and then I'm
mad at myself that I didn't think it was going
to take such a foothold, so there would be these
I was just in these psychological loops where I'm like, well.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Of course it's that, but well, why did you not
think that was gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, of course, you know, So it was like that,
and I think I just got to a point where
I was like, ah, and I literally I am embarrassed
that this is not a could or laryngitis.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
This bitch was screaming.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I screamed my whole asshah, to the point where it
sounds like this you scrumped, and I just I scrumpled.
But it's can I ask, though, because I when I
get to a breaking point, it is rarely what is
(16:29):
happening in like Charlie Kirk is not going to be
the thing that gets me to my breaking point.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It is it is like my mom, you know, it
is family, It is my personal relationships, It is my career,
It is my own self worth and value, like it
is the compression of all those things. And I'm just
thinking about what so many black women are going through
right now, being jobless without an income, raising kids without
(17:02):
an income, trying to figure out not even retirement, trying
to figure out next week, and especially who they're targeting,
like you were the one who made it right, and
so you still have family coming and you saying I want,
I need, can you would you mind? And you are
depleting your own savings trying to make sure other people
(17:23):
are okay, while everyone around you, not everyone, but everyone
in this ruling class around you is somehow communicating to
you that you don't belong, that you're not about them,
that you are in fact unworthy. So the innermost trauma
that you spent your whole life trying to unlearn by
getting the highest degree possible, by earning the six and
(17:45):
seven figures, by wearing the Sergio Hudson, by taking the
international trips, doing all those things, and then the world
comes along and disrupts that at that moment, like that
is a breaking point, And I wonder, are we breaking
this earthly shell and letting our spirits float, or are
(18:07):
we letting them break our spirits? And sometimes for me
it is my spirit is breaking, because even my own
when it comes to issues. I'm writing about this as
you all know, when it comes to issues of my
value and my self worth. It's not like what white
women talk about like, it's very different. It is different
when a black woman questions her value and her self
(18:29):
worth because there actually are people telling us our entire
lives that we have no value. When I question if
I'm welcome somewhere, it's not what other people go through.
It's like, no, yes, I have questioned in my childhood
if I were welcome different places in home and schools. Yes,
(18:52):
but this country has told me I am not welcome.
And black kids every day walk through neighborhood where they're
told they're not welcome. They're told they're not welcome by
the dilapidated school they go to, they're told they're not
valued by the red lines and wrote down community. And
then when white people move in and things start to change,
(19:14):
and they think, oh, but white people came and the
goodness came. What does that doing to the psyche of
that child? And I just think about all these things
that we carry as adults through childhood, generational trauma. ANDELI
You've talked about that. I just I just feel like
that is the breaking point. Can you outside of Charlie Kirk,
(19:35):
whatever you feel comfortable sharing what are the things that
lead to your breaking point?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, And I'm so sorry if it sounded like I
was saying Charlie Kirk. What I was saying is the
people's response to us as if we had caused any
of the harm, which it was just I felt it
took me right back into black history. There was a
brother I met last week, a Muslim brother who was
(20:07):
found dead shortly after our meeting.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
That shook me.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
The number of people that needed some type of crisis
support or response based on things they didn't do when
they were just trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
That shook me.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Just some personal conflict that came up that felt really,
you know, awful.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
And like, you know, what did I do to deserve this?
Shook me and hurt.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
And I think that there are things where, you know,
I have an expectation that the people who loved me
and who are closest to me and friends, family, et cetera,
have some type of grace for what I'm trying to
do right now, which is like I'm just trying to
be obedient to the call, and I'm not quite sure
all of the what the pillars are of that call.
(20:54):
But when I feel misunderstood or misrepresented by those closest
to me. That really hurts and feels like betrayal. And
I hate being lied too, in lied on. So I
think it's, you know, the convergence of all those things
that once for me is never the one thing either. Netta,
my best friendly Nea always says like, you know, you
don't have to wait till all of it hits the
(21:15):
fan to come tell us, And I'm like, yeah, I don't,
but I don't really even realize that stuff is hitting
the fan and tell us nineteen things in there, and
I'm like, wait, you know, in complete overwhelm. It takes
me to complete overwhelm before I have to say anything
about help, you know, So hopefully that makes some sense.
(21:37):
But yeah, I mean there's economic pressures, there's psychological pressures.
There's the gas lighting that is on a micro and
a macro level. There is you know, I mean, all
of my former bosses who are getting challenged their seats
getting challenged in Congress so they can say this might
have been the largest congressional Black caucus ever, but we
(21:58):
about to make as small as was and when y'all
founded it, Like, I don't under they're just things that
I don't understand. So it's like, oh, we're just gonna
wait till the midterms, Well do you know who gonna
represent you when the midterms are over? You know, like
do you really even understand who's gonna be there. So
there are things that, yes, they are political, but they're
also an assault on black people that I just am
(22:18):
holding like how dare y'all?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
And I feel enraged.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I feel like, you know, maybe there's some way about
the fight that I didn't go right, go go about
it right, and I you know, want.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
To study, like how do we get better? How do
we sharpen?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
You know, the conversations that we have even about the podcast,
like what can we do differently? I'm like, tell us,
let's grow, let's get better, because I think that there
are people we could save lives, you know, we can
we can provide an opportunity for somebody to have more hope,
to realize it's gonna be okay or not, and figure
out how we survive it even when it's horrible. I
(22:52):
just I feel a lot of pressure and I think
that the you know, maybe the Damns broke.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I don't know where are you?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Andrew because sometimes you come in very professorial, and you know,
it's almost like you're giving you know, like like you've
achieved your given advice. And I just wonder because I
feel disconnected from a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Of experimental Yeah, yeah, experimenting with I I completely relate
to warring on every side right now. I don't do well.
I don't do well in the sort of individual instances,
(23:33):
and I also don't do well with the damn breaking
of the dam bridging, the breaking, you know, so they
are the individual things that just add up. It's the
sum total of it all, like my breaking. I was
thinking about when you asked Angela, what is that thing
that sort of you know, where you find yourself just exploding?
(23:54):
And for me, that explosion often comes in the smallest,
most insignificant thing that ever was. It's my kid forgetting
to put the backpack on the ring and now it's
on the kitchen floor underneath the stool, and I'm I
just jamm my toe and I'm angry about it. But
(24:14):
I'm not really angry about that. I'm angry about all
the others. Yeah, you know that's going on. So the
point that it reaches a culmination is rarely ever, in
the moment of the of the of the break, that's
that's not that that's the thing I'm leeing. I wish
that were my worry. It's all the other stuff that's
(24:36):
that's the worry. But I don't mean to come off
professorial about why I think sh.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Wise.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I think I'm experimenting with some things that keep me
inside myself while I'm going through rather than vacating my
body and everything I know, vacating the person I am
to just to deal with this thing, to deal with
the culbination of these things. I just think we can't
(25:11):
eat an elephant hole. I gotta take this thing bite
by bite. I can only do what I can do,
which is a whole different level of grace I'm giving
to myself that I didn't afford myself and most of
my lived you know, experienced on this earth. I've always
been my harshest critic. I've always been the principle that
(25:33):
I never wanted to be in the office of because
I know how tough I am on myself and how
judgmental I am on myself, much more than I am
on the people around me, much more than I am
than with the people greats comes to me very easily
for a lot of other people, it's for myself that
(25:54):
I deprive understanding. It's for myself that I lodge the
greatest judgment. It's toward myself that I hate the most
when things aren't going right. It's me that I judge
the worst. When two plus two ain't equal and four
but it's two. How does that math work?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
So I think, now, you know, I think Arjie probably
thinks I'm just I'd like to become an antisocial person
with everything in our lives, and I have to balance
that in some ways. But more than anything, it is
I don't want to be in a place anymore where
I've got to compromise any one side of myself to fit.
(26:41):
So I'm not going where I'm also not giving people
the power to grant me permission for an invitation. I'm
not giving people power to grant you know, validation on anything.
It's partly why some of what I deal with around
sort of external comments and people's reactions to things is
that it's like I can't I can't then hold myself
(27:04):
because I'm holding everything everybody else and their thing, And
then what does that do? It leaves me empty. It
leaves me filling the abandonment and so okay, if nobody
else can tend to it, I'm gonna tend to me.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
It's like the past is saying when he's given the
preach word, if you can't say you know, I will
amen myself on this if the world isn't giving it
to me. And now it's like increasingly whatever the world
is going to do is going to do yeah, And
I've got to hold me.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And if something else comes along to hold then it's
icing on the cake. But I gotta be for me.
If ain't nobody else gonna be it. If I don't
feel it for anybody else, I gotta feel it for myself.
And I guess getting to that level of depravity if
you will, a feeling so empty of that thing for
so long from every side, rather than saying this life
(28:06):
isn't worth it, it's like I'm worth it. Yeah, I
do deserve that. And if I'm tired, go take a nap. Yeah,
I can have that and release the judgment. But I
don't want to go to the party. It ain't because
I don't like people, because I don't really want to
be around that. Yes, yeah, so no, I haven't figured
(28:31):
any of it out. There's a lot of experimenting and
daring to experiment and being blessed by space and maybe
a little bit of time to experiment. But no, all
the stuff that's raining down on everybody else is raining
down on me too. But I want to master a
(28:53):
better technique for how to how to make it to
the other side.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, you definitely given me when I've come to you
with things you do. It is somewhat like of a
professorial statement that rings very true to me. I remember
we were eating at our spot in New York at Serafina.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Since wells.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, but you were telling me like basically, do what
feels good to you, you know, and so to hear
you say like yeah, like sometimes our value can be
so caught up into how we are living in service
to others, and so I that I think that's the
challenge for me right now because I feel so disconnected.
(29:43):
That's why I wanted to know any of your specific examples,
like what are the things that bregett I think you
were saying, Charlie Kirk, but everything that happened around that,
you know, the response and everything or I felt so
disconnected from it, you know, I was looking at it like,
stay so dumb, you know it hurts, But it was
the thing that was like, the things that are breaking
(30:04):
me are just a piercing heartbreak of so much. But
heartbreak is the only term I can think, nothing about
our politics, not you know that I kind of anticipate,
but just this heartbreak and that there's nobody who can
kind of help you through that heartbreak, but navigating heartbreak
(30:27):
and isolation and the only way out is through. So
you just have to keep getting pierced over and over,
walking through memory and letting time do what it does.
And it is just the hardest feeling while navigating other things.
So I really think that this conversation, what you guys share,
(30:50):
what we're all going through, is so reflective of what
so many other people are going through. And so I
feel privileged to day to be a part of this conversation.
And I hope that our authenticity around what we're sharing
resonates with people. And I hope beyond resonating with you
as an individual, but I hope that you all will
(31:11):
have your own cells of safe spaces where you can
talk about this and when you can't because sometimes I
don't have that cell. And it's not because people aren't
available to me, it's because I want to. I don't
feel good about putting this in someone else's hands when
I haven't worked through it myself. And so that's what
that immersive therapy helped me do. Create a safe space
(31:33):
within myself or I got to push myself out. Sometimes
it's like, no, you are going to go to dinner
tonight with your girlfriends because that's just what it is,
you know. So I hope that this has created some
sort of safe space for other people to just listen
to it. And if that safe space is within yourself,
I hope we tapped into something. I still feel heartbroken,
I still feel sad, but it's like it feels lighter,
(31:56):
a little lighter. It's like when you shake a bottle
up and all the bubbles and you open it all
I once it explodes, I feel like today we loosen
the bottle a little bit, let some of the era
and what we're all navigating different things and challenges and roads.
But it let a little bit of the air out
of the bottle.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Well.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
The Great Professor Cardi b this week also helped me
I want to say, but yes, you know it just
I just think she's the greatest human. I can't wait
for the conversation. Yeah, yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We're gonna try to get her on soon. Y'all go
watch that, and we know we got to wrap up
our mini. Yeah, it's been a mega but thank you.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
All the things, Thank y'all for joining us. As always,
as we say all the time, we know that your
time is precious and how you spend it, especially when
you choose us, means a lot. So we'll catch you
on this other side of this heartbreaking pain. Push through, everybody,
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, Welcome, all.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Right, welcome, welcome, Welcome to your Native lamp Pod family.
We are here with this week's mini pod. Where we
ended this week's episode, we were doing our calls to
action as we typically do at the end of our show,
and we got over to our sister Angela's call to
action and notice that something has been stirring in her
soul a little bit. And so as we thought about
(00:32):
what topic to platform for this week's mini pod, we
thought that maybe Angela, you might be able to toss
the topic out as you as you deal with what
was stirring in you, that might stir in us as well.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Well. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I want to apologize as I did not expect to
be as overcome by emotion. Y'all know I can cry
about anything and will, but it was to the point
where I couldn't really.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Get it out.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And I think the convergence of the personal with the professional,
with the societal and all that makes that psychological just
you know, it hits walls. And then there's a point where,
like there's some little microscopic leaks in the dam, and
then those leaks become bigger and then there's the floodgates open.
(01:26):
And so I spent probably I had three like therapy
appointments within a twenty four hour period this week and
really just trying to wrap my mind around that everything
that's happening. But I had, like I don't know if
you guys have ever done like tapping or therapy where
they encourage you to like scream into a pillow. And
(01:47):
I didn't scream into a pillow. I was in the
mirror in the bathroom and just like was feeling like
I was breaking. And then I was mad at myself
because I immediately knew. I was like, goddamn it, now
you hurt yourself, you know, like I knew, like it
was so like the thing that's supposed to provide relief
(02:07):
also caused harm.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And so where you're in this environment where.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The things that you typically would go to, the places
that you would go, the people you would speak to,
the programs that you would watch, the spots lives in DC,
the spots where you would normally go that are safe,
all of that is ruptured. All of that is in
upheaval and so having the control issues that I have
(02:34):
not being able to provide safety there, you know, again,
like we're taking some small steps with my mom's chemo
where she's taking a break from chemo for a couple
of weeks.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
She fail.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I hope, Mommy, I'm sorry, I'm telling your business, but
she fail. We were walking in the house the week
before last getting as I E.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Bowls, and I was like, oh, I should have been
walking with her.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
But there are these things we do around control where
we think that that control role is the same as safety,
and really that form of safety is illusory. And then
does that mean that the type of peace that we
lean up up against is also illusory? And so then
the question becomes what really is safety and what really
is peace? And how can you really, you know, from
(03:18):
the biblical concept, guard your mind when all of the
people and the things and the places and every other
type of nown you lean up against is compromised or.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Destroyed or whatever.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
And I think there's just something about that that is
really deeply unsettling for me, and I think from a
psychological standpoint, this week it just came to a head,
like it's like like I'm supposed to be able to
count on you, you know, or like how betrayal feels it.
I just feel like we're being betrayed on every side,
(03:56):
and that of course conflicts with my with what I
think safety in peace.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, you know, the enemy Angela's I know, you know,
you know, the warfare is in the spirit and in
the mind, right if if if, if, if we can
be if we if our mind can be overcome, which
obviously I find sort of fine sibling to the spirit. Right,
I do have thoughtful mind by which you know things
(04:24):
have vetted through. We all do. But also my mind
is very much so connected to my spirit. Right, what
I'm thinking about manifests itself, you know, then in a
spiritual form and then this metaphysical and then the physical
form it shows up, right, and the way we stop eating,
and the way in which we present, and you know,
(04:46):
throughout our best efforts still gets sort of dragged into
the place where we don't want to portray ourselves as right,
especially Angela, as you are so often and the lead
in so many plays, So your comportment and how you
present often becomes what others then adopt. Right, It gives
(05:08):
them courage, It stiffens their spine. And the truth is
is like that's a weight too heavy for any one
person to be three sixty five twenty four seven period.
I know I felt it in my own life. I
know on the listener side, because they give us feedback,
I know that they feel it, and I I don't know.
(05:30):
I don't know about how you cope with it, Tiff
and you Angela. But a practice that at least I've
come into more regular interaction with is grace, like the
backing off the judgment of myself what I did, How
this could have been managed? How d da da da
da dad? To read the constant replaying and replaying and
(05:53):
rewinding that you know, spin rent cycle, you know that
we're often on around these incidences is just robbing us
of so much. And if some you know, wouldn't we
all love if somebody gave us the secret route around?
And I think part of the secret route around is
like those things are insignificant to the bigger and that
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if we could, if we could stay our mind and
our spirit on this bigger thing and remove all of
these obstructions that are really designed to keep us from
the promise, how much better it would In the long
run be and that's a hard thing to accomplish when
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you're in the in the flow of it. So experiencing
the flow as a good person and a good friend
of both of us once said Angela that it doesn't
mean that we don't get impacted by those things. Those
things will still impact us. What we're hopeful for is that,
through our earned wisdom and lived experience, that our recovery
(07:04):
time will be quicker. So the thing that used to
put me out for a week now puts me out
for an hour, and then I'm recovered, and I'm now
putting into place the practices that get me back on
mine rather than off kilter. I'm now back on kilter.
So it's not the promise isn't that you won't get
off kilter. The promise is that you hope that the
(07:30):
next time you're off, your ability to respond and to
get back on becomes that much more quicker than it
was before, ultimately to the point where the stuff that
used to move you in those ways that used to
throw you off don't even didn't pierce you anymore. That's
what I'm practicing and experimenting with is just the idea
(07:53):
of how do I put the things that I know
that I know that I know can work when practiced,
and practice cansistently when that becomes part of my default,
rather than me having to reach for it and find
it every time, when it's becomes part of my natural
default such to the point that I can't get thrown
(08:14):
the way that I was throw before. A different thing
is happening in me now, and therefore my ability to
put it all back together is going to be that
much quicker than it was before, and so on and
so forth.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well, thank you Angela for sharing that, because I think
it's such an example that it makes me feel less
alone on the island, and I hope it makes our viewers,
our our our audience feel less alone. I talked a
bit last week about this immersive therapy that I did,
and I'm sharing that because I don't want people to think.
(08:49):
You know, sometimes you hear people where they're like, I've
achieved this nirvana and you know, I've gotten here, and
I would wonder like, but how like what specifically? And
it's like, oh, I did daily meditation, and you know, yes,
I have tried those things, but this was a chemically
immersive therapy session. I won't say too much about it
(09:10):
because I don't want to encourage or discourage anything.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
But it is.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
In trials places and if you all follow, like Sonzi
gup Or, I've been reading about things, there are different
things that people have tried to almost rewire your brain.
So I did that level of immersive therapy. And the
reason I did is because I felt anxious. I felt
(09:38):
a sadness that was in the depths of my spirit.
It wasn't in this human body. It was like in
my spirit that I still feel it, and I wanted
to try to go inward and pierce that. And so
when I hear you talk Angela about any one of
the things that I personally know that you're dealing with,
would command all my attention and my energy. I could not,
(10:01):
you know, juggle some of those things. And you know
how I feel about just mothers and navigating all of that.
And I've dealt with my mother, you know, battling cancer,
and it just it stills you in such a way.
It's just hard to explain if people haven't gone through that.
(10:23):
To see your mother in pain or see your mother
going through things, I mean, it is just something that
changes the fabric of who you are as a woman
between mother and daughter, so I know what you feel.
Even the memory of that just breaks my heart. So
(10:47):
I'll say that and I think about the days will
come that my mom is not with me. That thought
breaks me and I won't be right for a while.
I'm just telling y'all, I will not be right at all.
(11:08):
And so when I think about that, it just consumes
my spirit, like really, everything in me. Send at her
bedside broke me. It changed me forever. My mom and
I have a challenging relationship, as I've talked about, but
(11:29):
we after that, I just felt like there's not going
to come a time where I don't speak to my mom,
you know, like it's just this time here is too brief.
What I took away in this immersive therapy, and that
will I will tell you about offline because if you
want to try it, I'm happy to have it.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
It makes life.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
See, this is what I'm talking about, Like politics seems
so little to me. It just doesn't. It can't command
my attention in the same way. Whatever is happening here
right now can't command my attention in the same way
because it's like this brief life expirit it's so quick,
you know, it's so fleeting, and I can't I can't
(12:08):
connect with things the same way it is. I saw
my spirit inhabit this human body. And so if you
take you Angela, and it's like you lose your limbs,
you lose your all, your all, your limbs, you lose
your hair, you lose your eyelashes. Are you any less Angela?
So then what is the thing that makes Angela Angela?
(12:30):
It's that spirit and that is the most present thing
that we have to protect. And so for me, I
have made the decision to walk away from things, to
walk away from people, to walk away from situations and
feelings with a lightness. And even now this sadness, it's
(12:50):
a heaviness.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I just feel like, oh, it's time for sadness. Now, Okay, sadness,
I welcome you. I will feel this, I will let
these tears flow, and then sadness will leave and I
can say I'll see you again soon, and it's okay.
So I can't explain how navigating that is, but I
just want you to know I understand.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, I'm grateful for your share, Tiff. I think there
are a lot of therapies now that people do. Some
are more welcomed and received in like different parts of
the country or different parts of the world, including like
in South America that people go and especially from here,
fly to do ayahuasca journeys. In South America. There's something
(13:40):
called bouffo, which is toad medicine. There's and then there's
something where they think it's like the traditional toad medicine.
It's like they scrape the top layer of toad. People
smoke it. It's called boo. There's mushrooms people, do you
know there's some some states. Yeah, there's of states that
are there are states that are now approving the use
(14:03):
of psychedelic mushrooms or psilocybin to help aid people in
overcoming depression.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
It works.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And so the other thing I would say is there's
also a more chemical form of those treatments called ketamine,
and people are also using those therapies as well as
guided by psychologists. And what I would tell you guys
is sometimes in order to protect your peace, you first
have to find it. You might have got lost along
the way, the foundation may have been disrupted, whatever it is.
(14:36):
But I think this week what I realized what I
cried about. What I screamed about is I was like,
how did I let myself get so far outside of
my piece? Why did I allow that detachment to ever
take place? And so then there's this guilt that you
go through, and then you have to like, well, hopefully
we can get to the place where we say, Okay,
(14:57):
you did the best you could.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
I'm just going you where we are.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
But when I tell y'all, I have never I can't
think of a time why I've ever felt so far
outside of my body. I was like, I got we
gotta reconnect, Like I don't know what happened. So that's
why I was saying when we were talking about the
shooting last week, there was a grief for me.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
But the grief for me was like, how.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Could our people have poured so much into this country
to still be so violently attacked, to still be called
everything but a child of God, to still be trying
to find ways to disqualify our humanity. And I just
there's something about it that's maddening to me in this moment,
because of course we always know that there are people
(15:43):
that think that way, but I just didn't think it
was going to take such a foothold, and then I'm
mad at myself that I didn't think it was going
to take such a foothold, so there would be these
I was just in these psychological loops where I'm like, well.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Of course it's that, but well, why did you not
think that was gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, of course, you know, So it was like that,
and I think I just got to a point where
I was like, ah, and I literally I am embarrassed
that this is not a could or laryngitis.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
This bitch was screaming.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I screamed my whole asshah, to the point where it
sounds like this you scrumped, and I just I scrumpled.
But it's can I ask, though, because I when I
get to a breaking point, it is rarely what is
(16:29):
happening in like Charlie Kirk is not going to be
the thing that gets me to my breaking point.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It is it is like my mom, you know, it
is family, It is my personal relationships, It is my career,
It is my own self worth and value, like it
is the compression of all those things. And I'm just
thinking about what so many black women are going through
right now, being jobless without an income, raising kids without
(17:02):
an income, trying to figure out not even retirement, trying
to figure out next week, and especially who they're targeting,
like you were the one who made it right, and
so you still have family coming and you saying I want,
I need, can you would you mind? And you are
depleting your own savings trying to make sure other people
(17:23):
are okay, while everyone around you, not everyone, but everyone
in this ruling class around you is somehow communicating to
you that you don't belong, that you're not about them,
that you are in fact unworthy. So the innermost trauma
that you spent your whole life trying to unlearn by
getting the highest degree possible, by earning the six and
(17:45):
seven figures, by wearing the Sergio Hudson, by taking the
international trips, doing all those things, and then the world
comes along and disrupts that at that moment, like that
is a breaking point, And I wonder, are we breaking
this earthly shell and letting our spirits float, or are
(18:07):
we letting them break our spirits? And sometimes for me
it is my spirit is breaking, because even my own
when it comes to issues. I'm writing about this as
you all know, when it comes to issues of my
value and my self worth. It's not like what white
women talk about like, it's very different. It is different
when a black woman questions her value and her self
(18:29):
worth because there actually are people telling us our entire
lives that we have no value. When I question if
I'm welcome somewhere, it's not what other people go through.
It's like, no, yes, I have questioned in my childhood
if I were welcome different places in home and schools. Yes,
(18:52):
but this country has told me I am not welcome.
And black kids every day walk through neighborhood where they're
told they're not welcome. They're told they're not welcome by
the dilapidated school they go to, they're told they're not
valued by the red lines and wrote down community. And
then when white people move in and things start to change,
(19:14):
and they think, oh, but white people came and the
goodness came. What does that doing to the psyche of
that child? And I just think about all these things
that we carry as adults through childhood, generational trauma. ANDELI
You've talked about that. I just I just feel like
that is the breaking point. Can you outside of Charlie Kirk,
(19:35):
whatever you feel comfortable sharing what are the things that
lead to your breaking point?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, And I'm so sorry if it sounded like I
was saying Charlie Kirk. What I was saying is the
people's response to us as if we had caused any
of the harm, which it was just I felt it
took me right back into black history. There was a
brother I met last week, a Muslim brother who was
(20:07):
found dead shortly after our meeting.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
That shook me.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
The number of people that needed some type of crisis
support or response based on things they didn't do when
they were just trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
That shook me.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Just some personal conflict that came up that felt really,
you know, awful.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
And like, you know, what did I do to deserve this?
Shook me and hurt.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
And I think that there are things where, you know,
I have an expectation that the people who loved me
and who are closest to me and friends, family, et cetera,
have some type of grace for what I'm trying to
do right now, which is like I'm just trying to
be obedient to the call, and I'm not quite sure
all of the what the pillars are of that call.
(20:54):
But when I feel misunderstood or misrepresented by those closest
to me. That really hurts and feels like betrayal. And
I hate being lied too, in lied on. So I
think it's, you know, the convergence of all those things
that once for me is never the one thing either. Netta,
my best friendly Nea always says like, you know, you
don't have to wait till all of it hits the
(21:15):
fan to come tell us, And I'm like, yeah, I don't,
but I don't really even realize that stuff is hitting
the fan and tell us nineteen things in there, and
I'm like, wait, you know, in complete overwhelm. It takes
me to complete overwhelm before I have to say anything
about help, you know, So hopefully that makes some sense.
(21:37):
But yeah, I mean there's economic pressures, there's psychological pressures.
There's the gas lighting that is on a micro and
a macro level. There is you know, I mean, all
of my former bosses who are getting challenged their seats
getting challenged in Congress so they can say this might
have been the largest congressional Black caucus ever, but we
(21:58):
about to make as small as was and when y'all
founded it, Like, I don't under they're just things that
I don't understand. So it's like, oh, we're just gonna
wait till the midterms, Well do you know who gonna
represent you when the midterms are over? You know, like
do you really even understand who's gonna be there. So
there are things that, yes, they are political, but they're
also an assault on black people that I just am
(22:18):
holding like how dare y'all?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
And I feel enraged.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I feel like, you know, maybe there's some way about
the fight that I didn't go right, go go about
it right, and I you know, want.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
To study, like how do we get better? How do
we sharpen?
Speaker 1 (22:31):
You know, the conversations that we have even about the podcast,
like what can we do differently? I'm like, tell us,
let's grow, let's get better, because I think that there
are people we could save lives, you know, we can
we can provide an opportunity for somebody to have more hope,
to realize it's gonna be okay or not, and figure
out how we survive it even when it's horrible. I
(22:52):
just I feel a lot of pressure and I think
that the you know, maybe the Damns broke.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I don't know where are you?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Andrew because sometimes you come in very professorial, and you know,
it's almost like you're giving you know, like like you've
achieved your given advice. And I just wonder because I
feel disconnected from a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Of experimental Yeah, yeah, experimenting with I I completely relate
to warring on every side right now. I don't do well.
I don't do well in the sort of individual instances,
(23:33):
and I also don't do well with the damn breaking
of the dam bridging, the breaking, you know, so they
are the individual things that just add up. It's the
sum total of it all, like my breaking. I was
thinking about when you asked Angela, what is that thing
that sort of you know, where you find yourself just exploding?
(23:54):
And for me, that explosion often comes in the smallest,
most insignificant thing that ever was. It's my kid forgetting
to put the backpack on the ring and now it's
on the kitchen floor underneath the stool, and I'm I
just jamm my toe and I'm angry about it. But
(24:14):
I'm not really angry about that. I'm angry about all
the others. Yeah, you know that's going on. So the
point that it reaches a culmination is rarely ever, in
the moment of the of the of the break, that's
that's not that that's the thing I'm leeing. I wish
that were my worry. It's all the other stuff that's
(24:36):
that's the worry. But I don't mean to come off
professorial about why I think sh.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Wise.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
I think I'm experimenting with some things that keep me
inside myself while I'm going through rather than vacating my
body and everything I know, vacating the person I am
to just to deal with this thing, to deal with
the culbination of these things. I just think we can't
(25:11):
eat an elephant hole. I gotta take this thing bite
by bite. I can only do what I can do,
which is a whole different level of grace I'm giving
to myself that I didn't afford myself and most of
my lived you know, experienced on this earth. I've always
been my harshest critic. I've always been the principle that
(25:33):
I never wanted to be in the office of because
I know how tough I am on myself and how
judgmental I am on myself, much more than I am
on the people around me, much more than I am
than with the people greats comes to me very easily
for a lot of other people, it's for myself that
(25:54):
I deprive understanding. It's for myself that I lodge the
greatest judgment. It's toward myself that I hate the most
when things aren't going right. It's me that I judge
the worst. When two plus two ain't equal and four
but it's two. How does that math work?
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Right?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
So I think, now, you know, I think Arjie probably
thinks I'm just I'd like to become an antisocial person
with everything in our lives, and I have to balance
that in some ways. But more than anything, it is
I don't want to be in a place anymore where
I've got to compromise any one side of myself to fit.
(26:41):
So I'm not going where I'm also not giving people
the power to grant me permission for an invitation. I'm
not giving people power to grant you know, validation on anything.
It's partly why some of what I deal with around
sort of external comments and people's reactions to things is
that it's like I can't I can't then hold myself
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because I'm holding everything everybody else and their thing, And
then what does that do? It leaves me empty. It
leaves me filling the abandonment and so okay, if nobody
else can tend to it, I'm gonna tend to me.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You know.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
It's like the past is saying when he's given the
preach word, if you can't say you know, I will
amen myself on this if the world isn't giving it
to me. And now it's like increasingly whatever the world
is going to do is going to do yeah, And
I've got to hold me.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And if something else comes along to hold then it's
icing on the cake. But I gotta be for me.
If ain't nobody else gonna be it. If I don't
feel it for anybody else, I gotta feel it for myself.
And I guess getting to that level of depravity if
you will, a feeling so empty of that thing for
so long from every side, rather than saying this life
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isn't worth it, it's like I'm worth it. Yeah, I
do deserve that. And if I'm tired, go take a nap. Yeah,
I can have that and release the judgment. But I
don't want to go to the party. It ain't because
I don't like people, because I don't really want to
be around that. Yes, yeah, so no, I haven't figured
(28:31):
any of it out. There's a lot of experimenting and
daring to experiment and being blessed by space and maybe
a little bit of time to experiment. But no, all
the stuff that's raining down on everybody else is raining
down on me too. But I want to master a
(28:53):
better technique for how to how to make it to
the other side.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well, you definitely given me when I've come to you
with things you do. It is somewhat like of a
professorial statement that rings very true to me. I remember
we were eating at our spot in New York at Serafina.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Since wells.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Well, but you were telling me like basically, do what
feels good to you, you know, and so to hear
you say like yeah, like sometimes our value can be
so caught up into how we are living in service
to others, and so I that I think that's the
challenge for me right now because I feel so disconnected.
(29:43):
That's why I wanted to know any of your specific examples,
like what are the things that bregett I think you
were saying, Charlie Kirk, but everything that happened around that,
you know, the response and everything or I felt so
disconnected from it, you know, I was looking at it like,
stay so dumb, you know it hurts, But it was
the thing that was like, the things that are breaking
(30:04):
me are just a piercing heartbreak of so much. But
heartbreak is the only term I can think, nothing about
our politics, not you know that I kind of anticipate,
but just this heartbreak and that there's nobody who can
kind of help you through that heartbreak, but navigating heartbreak
(30:27):
and isolation and the only way out is through. So
you just have to keep getting pierced over and over,
walking through memory and letting time do what it does.
And it is just the hardest feeling while navigating other things.
So I really think that this conversation, what you guys share,
(30:50):
what we're all going through, is so reflective of what
so many other people are going through. And so I
feel privileged to day to be a part of this conversation.
And I hope that our authenticity around what we're sharing
resonates with people. And I hope beyond resonating with you
as an individual, but I hope that you all will
(31:11):
have your own cells of safe spaces where you can
talk about this and when you can't because sometimes I
don't have that cell. And it's not because people aren't
available to me, it's because I want to. I don't
feel good about putting this in someone else's hands when
I haven't worked through it myself. And so that's what
that immersive therapy helped me do. Create a safe space
(31:33):
within myself or I got to push myself out. Sometimes
it's like, no, you are going to go to dinner
tonight with your girlfriends because that's just what it is,
you know. So I hope that this has created some
sort of safe space for other people to just listen
to it. And if that safe space is within yourself,
I hope we tapped into something. I still feel heartbroken,
I still feel sad, but it's like it feels lighter,
(31:56):
a little lighter. It's like when you shake a bottle
up and all the bubbles and you open it all
I once it explodes, I feel like today we loosen
the bottle a little bit, let some of the era
and what we're all navigating different things and challenges and roads.
But it let a little bit of the air out
of the bottle.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Well.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
The Great Professor Cardi b this week also helped me
I want to say, but yes, you know it just
I just think she's the greatest human. I can't wait
for the conversation. Yeah, yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We're gonna try to get her on soon. Y'all go
watch that, and we know we got to wrap up
our mini. Yeah, it's been a mega but thank you.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
All the things, Thank y'all for joining us. As always,
as we say all the time, we know that your
time is precious and how you spend it, especially when
you choose us, means a lot. So we'll catch you
on this other side of this heartbreaking pain. Push through, everybody,
(33:00):
and we'll see you. Welcome home. Native Lampard is a
production of iHeartRadio in partnership with reisent Choice Media. For
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