It’s Power Not Partisanship

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Native Lampod is a production of Ireheart Radio in partnership
with reisent Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all's Native Lampod Episode one,
O six and we are your co host. I'm Tiffany
Cross here with Angela Rai, Andrew Gillham and Bacari Sellery's
last on purpose.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
No, no, this uh, it's been a bit week, so
I want to get right into it.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
What are we talking about today?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Now?

Speaker 4 (00:29):
I'm going first, since y'all like to call me out.
I'm gonna I believe in myself and I'm gonna use
my voice. I'm reclaiming my time, all right, MAXI No,
I want to talk about these Epstein files because it's
something interesting going on as we have this discussion, because
Republicans are conflating Democrats who are fundraising and Democrats who

(00:50):
are communicating with their constituents and the words of Representative
Plasquet and the individuals who are converting with him on
Epstein Island and had untoward. Did I pronounce that right? Andrew?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yeah, you got it, and you know you got two seconds?

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah no, And those who were those last.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Rich rich coming from me?

Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah no, and exactly, thank you, and those individuals who
were doing that on those untoward or participating in that
in that untoward behavior with Jeffrey Epstein, they're not that.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I don't want to know what impact is going to
have this Epstein stuff on the Margarine.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
So what'd you got? Angela?

Speaker 6 (01:28):
I'm excited to talk to the Massachusetts Attorney General today,
Andrea Campbell, who will join us to talk about all
things we know that Snap was certainly up for grabs
in that war. Snap battle is just getting started along
with DEI and all of the many accomplishments he has,
including suing Donald Trump several times, with lots of other things.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
With that, Andrew, what you got?

Speaker 5 (01:50):
You know, it's hard to choose, but I think I'm
going to camp out in the area of I actually don't.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Know what was he go stay tuned for into surprise topic.
We got a lot of newer questions to get to.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
That's why he likes That's why he liked to go
first a second because it.

Speaker 5 (02:10):
Is still the first.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
It's like, I don't watch.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
They don't know nothing about that to be continued when
you have to wait a whole week, so to be
continued to see what Andrew.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Wants to talk about Well, we've been a lot of
newer questions, so we're going to get to those.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Something I want to get into is a new law
popping up in a lot of Red states to allow
pregnant women the ability to park in handicapped spaces, which
sounds like may not be a bad thing, right, I'm going.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
To say why I got a problem with that.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
So we're going to get into that and more tif Tiff.
It's come to me and it is a serious topic.
So I regret that I didn't recall it initially. But
we're going to talk about this Trump administration again. This
Justice Department, the arm of the of the Trump White House,
who is seeking to have the killer of Breonna Taylor,

(03:05):
one of the killers who was found guilty. I believe
after the third trial, their effort to roll back his
sentence more on that than the Trump.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
All right, just get into all of that on this
episode of Native Land. Let's jump right into it right now. Okay,
So Becry, since you went first, we'll go with your
topic first. I definitely want to get into the whole
Trump Epstein files, because it was a lot happening this
week on Capitol Hill, the House and the Senate voted

(03:35):
almost unanimously. There was one vote, I believe in the House, Angela,
is that correct. Yeah, in the House, one person voted
against releasing the files.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
But there is a vote. We will see.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
At the time of this recording, we don't know Donald
Trump has signed this bill into law to release the file,
so we'll see. But I'm sorry I did it again, Bakari.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
He got more head.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
I got a good head that.

Speaker 7 (04:08):
Was making his wife fuzzy because his WiFi fuzzy. Again.
I thought it'd be better when he finally went.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Home find it could be clear.

Speaker 7 (04:19):
I still don't mind calling it out because it's fuzzy.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I was talking about the challenge with the how how
people are perceiving this. I have a lot of thoughts
on this, but I want to let you leave the
discussion because I I don't think this is going to
matter at all, But I want you to lay it
out first.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Oh no, no, no, no, no no no. So I think
that this is the only thing that separates MAGA from Trump.
I think that you're seeing the far right because Trump
is the first person. Let's set the historical context. Trump
in twenty fifteen was the first person to put Epstein
files on the radar when he was running against Hillary Clinton,
when Hillary Clinton was the front runner for the Democratic nominee,
when he wanted to lump Bill Clinton in with Jeffrey

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Epps and everyone else. He made this the issue d
jure and they built so many conspiracy theories just off
pedophilia in the left. I don't know if you recall,
but allegedly Democrats were molesting children and some pizzeria in
Washington in Washington, DC, right, and so this was the
underbellion undercurrent for a lot of MAGA. Even earlier this year,

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you had GOP influencers coming out of the White House
with trapper keepers talking about we got the first set
of the Epstein files, and low and behold they had nothing.
Or you had Pam Bondi who said I had the
Epstein files on my desk and lo and behold she
had nothing. And so maybe, well maybe I believe that
the I believe that this is a it's a through

(05:42):
line here. And the first thing is I believe that
this is the only thing that the far right or
MAGA base turns against Donald Trump on. Now how long
standing that is, I'm not sure, but you're already seeing
that fracturing with people like Nancy Mace, Thomas Massey, and
Marjorie Taylor, Nancy Mason, Marjorie Taylor Green being the cheerleaders

(06:03):
for MAGA. I think they just have like little m
AGA cheers that they do in the bathroom every day
they go to Congress, right, And so that's first. The
second thing is that Bill actually gave Pam Bondi in
the Department of Justice a lot of opportunity to go
in and scrub the list for things they don't like,
for names they don't like, for individuals they don't like,
for witnesses they don't like. So that gives me some

(06:25):
pause that you're not going to have full transparency. And last,
but not least, I think that it's very weird. And
this is this is somewhat of a reach, Tiffany, and
this is why you're the journalist, and you're gonna be like,
I'm making a journalistic reach. But I do think you
can have a conversation about Andrew Tate and the interference
of the Department of Justice with Andrew Tate, who is
himself a certified tax you know, a toxic man who

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is a misogynist, who is under investigation for sexual trafficking,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and the interference from
the White House with their reluctance of showing up the
or showing out or showing off the Epstein files. I
just think that there is an underbelly of toxic toxicity

(07:07):
that deals with the lack of caring for young people
women that we have to discuss this emanating from the right,
And I think that there's a through line that still
trumps and that may be, that may be, that may
that may be a leap.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
So I'm just saying, for my clarification and for the audience,
what exactly is Trump's role and Andrew.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
T so So when so one when Andrew Tate, who
many people may or may not know because he is
in what they call the manosphere, which is where unfortunately
a lot of men, even I was talking to some
of my nephews, but young black men, actually ascribed to
his podcast as words He's literally beat women on campus,
He's allegedly held them as slaves, he's trafficked them, et cetera.

(07:46):
He was under investigation in Romania. As soon as Donald
Trump won, he put out a tweet saying that the
Tate Boys are coming home. He ended up on a
flight to Florida and they confiscated Yeah, they confiscated his
phones on the plane. And the young gentleman I pronounced
his last name wrong all the time, who was up
for an appointment to the Department of Justice just recently

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and political ran the story exposing his Nazi tweets. Made
a phone call to the border agents to give the
Tape Brothers back their devices after they were seized at
the border, something that had never been done before. It
had a very chilling effect. They interfered on behalf and
Pro Publica has written an amazing piece about it. But

(08:31):
they interfered on behalf of people who are under investigation
for sex trafficking, which by the way, sounds eerily like
Jeffrey Epstein. And I think it ties into this whole
conversation about the Mantle sphare. I think it ties into
a whole conversation we're having about what's in the files.
Who was protecting these people Paul and Gracia if I

(08:52):
pronounced it right, and Gracia and Gracia. But he is
someone right now who works and got a job without
having secure without having to go through the nomination process,
So I think it all ties in together. There's a
lot that you on there. I sounded like Andrew Gillham
and my recitation of where we were, But but that's

(09:13):
just those things have been bothering me, and Epstein has
been bothering my core for a while.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Angela, I muted because I'm I hear the comments all
the times. Please stop talking over each other. But I
hear everything Makari said, and I want to bring us
back to Epstein unless you had something on this, but
something that was really frustrating me. We were in our
group chat talking about this because I saw time and
again this week Republican members of Congress totally railroaded interviews.

(09:40):
Anytime they were asked about, you know, Trump and Epstein,
they would deflect. And one person that kept deflecting to
was Congress froman Stacey Plasket. So I don't know what
you're about to say, but I definitely wanted to ask
you about Stacey Plaskett and all this.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
I'll go back on mute.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yeah, I think to stay I ask I'm sorry, no, no, Angela,
if you're going there or if you I wouldn't sure
if you're making comments on Bacari Pacar's introduction or Plasket.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
I was about to talk about Stacey Blasket, So go ahead.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Okay, before you transition there, if I could just Tiffany,
you raised some doubt as to whether or not you
think there's some lasting impact to what's occurred this week,
and frankly, the build up and all the Republican fumbling
around this issue pretty basic to me that when you're
dealing with child's sex trafficking, that there's no partisanship to that. Right.

(10:34):
Everybody ought to be pretty clear that we are against
people who traffic children. But now they've begun to split
hairs on the right, basically saying a fourteen year old
in an eight year old or a five year old
are different without acknowledging that you cannot be under the
age of eighteen and give consent legal consent for the

(10:57):
business of sex. It just and some people have a
harder line, like where Angela, you know, affiliates church wise,
I was coaching two at one point. You know, we
take harder lines around this thing. It's not just what
you are legally able to do, but then there's morally
ethically and so on and so forth. But but but

(11:17):
I would say they've majorly fumbled the ball here, mostly
because they've treated it like a ball and not like
the individual lives that are at stake and that have
been impacted. Tiff, I think you may have some silf
the press conference this week.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well before we played the clip, because I wanted to
set it up if you guys don't mind. So yeah,
so my point Andrew about I don't think any of
this matters, Like, yeah, obviously we all agree that we
should all agree that pedophilia is a problem. But here's
my challenge with this. We already knew who Donald Trump

(11:57):
was before he was ever elected. And yes, but Kry,
I take your point that he was that he introduced
us because and the right was they were salivating over
this because they thought the Clintons were attacked. They thought
this was a democratic problem, which it turns out it's
an everyone problem.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
And so.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
We already knew that Trump was a liar before any
of this happened. He asked Attorney General Pam Bondi. She
told him his name does appear in the Epstein files,
and he told the Wall Street Journal that she never
said that. So these lies are pretty open and apparent.
We already knew that Trump had many problems with women,

(12:39):
and so I'll say all of his challenges with women
after we hear from one of the survivors who spoke
this week at a press conference.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Take a listen, and we'll talk about it.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
On the other side, I beg you, President Trump, please
stop making this political show, some class show, some real leadership,
show that you actually care about the people other than yourself.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I voted for you, but your behavior.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
On this issue has been an national embarrassment. It is
time to take the honest moral ground and support the
release of these files.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Okay, So that was Jenna Lisa Jones, one of the
survivors of Epstein, And here is my challenge. Jenna Lisa
Jones voted for Donald Trump prior to his election for
this second time. By the way, we already knew that
he had challenges with women. He's on record talking about
you know you women, to let you do what you
want if you can grab him by the p there.

(13:37):
According to reporting by BuzzFeed, he would go when he
was running the beauty pageant, the Miss USA I Believe
beauty pageant, he would go in where Miss teen USA
forgive me, where young girls as young as fifteen were
dressing and make jokes about his obligation or his ability

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to be able to sleep with them if he wanted.
He would look at young women and say, you know,
if you were a little older, I'd be dating you.
He's made these kind of sick comments about his own
daughter right now. In these detention facilities. Ice detention facilities,
we have seen evidence previously of alleged child abuse. There
was the largest US operator for some of these shelters

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for migrant children face allegations of sexual abuse and harassment
of miners at these facilities. The abuse allegedly took place
at Southwest Key Program, someplace that was still operating up
until a year ago, could potentially still be operating now.
It's a very shadowy operation. So I kind of feel like, yes,
obviously these women are survivors and they deserve justice, But

(14:41):
the fact that they voted for this man and vote
for policies that put other children in harm's weight, not
just of abuse, but of sexual abuse. I find it
a little difficult to reach down inside myself and my
own humanity and have sympathy because you're My challenge with
this is Andrew. You don't want it to happen to you,
But it was okay when these things were happening to

(15:01):
someone else. It's okay when you put other children in hers.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't take that.
I take a shoe at that, and let me let
me just first first. I don't think that we can
allow them to change who we are in our core.
And I think that having a level of sympathy and
or empathy for someone who was the victim of Jeffrey

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Epstein can be looked at in a vacuum and mutually
exclusive from who they voted for on this particular issue.
For me, it's not a challenge for me to support
her through her healing journey because she went through something
indescribable when she was a child perpetrated by a predator

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and by that predator's friends who were only protected by
other powerful people and government. And you know, I don't.
I can't. I can in my heart separate my sympathy
and empathy for her from who she voted for, because
I refuse to allow them to take away the heart

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that I believe helps makes me whole and see the
world in the way that I do.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I'm not saying she doesn't deserve symphony. Think I'm saying
she voted in favor of someone who perpetuates the same
thing that she claims she doesn't want. A few weeks
on this show, a few weeks ago, on this show,
we played the clip of Nancy Mace running out the
testimonial room in tears. Well, she votes with Trump ninety
eight percent of the times, like they vote in favor
of policy that allows this type of behavior to continue.

(16:38):
And if this type of behavior was happening to little
white kids, it would be tragic. But when it's happening
to little brown kids again, please, I would ask the audience,
I don't want to go down a whole rabbit hole.
But Southwest Key Programs was a huge It was an
awful thing. Our failure of legacy. Media never covered this
with the intention and shit, but in print media you
could see a lot of stories about it where children
were abused all the time. This was during his first

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ad ministration. So my challenge Bakari and Andrew is I, yes,
obviously nobody deserves to be abused as a child, But
my problem is this happened to you, and you still
voted for a man who was allowing whose policies are
allowing this to happen to someone else? You voted for
a man where it was public knowledge and it was BuzzFeed.

(17:21):
I can't remember what I said, but it was BuzzFeed
who did the reporting about his inappropriate behavior with fifteen
year old pageant contestants. So I'm not saying they deserve it.
I find the hypocrisy in this quite disgusting personally, but
go for it.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
I don't know that the hypocrisy is as black and
white as we describe it now. One. I don't think
that people drew the conclusion that Donald Trump was a
abuser of underage children not doing the campaign. No one
made that allegation. Yes, he was inappropriate, and by the way,
that's inexcusable as well for a grown a man. But

(18:00):
people treated.

Speaker 8 (18:00):
That like boys will be boys if you are out
of that line during the kid No, I don't condone
it by any means, but I don't think there was
a serious allegation at the time that he had participated
and child molestation and child abuse.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
He was off color about his daughter, he was off
color about about these these pageants participants, and by the way,
we could absolutely go down the you know circle, the
the the drain on all of the kinds of ways
in which Donald Trump is inappropriate. I don't believe that
these women voted for a man who they believed was

(18:40):
sexually abusing children. He may have been an association, and again,
they may, like all adults, be able to make complicated,
you know, decision making and say, yeah, well, such and
such was associated with my family, but I never knew
what was happening behind closed doors, so they make allowance
for those things. What really cut through for me with

(19:03):
these women in their messaging is that it was the
women who voted for Donald Trump who I thought were
most excoriating of him, his behavior and his record. Now
it may feel like a little too too little, too late,
but I actually applaud these folks for being able to
rise above whatever the partisanship was in the moment to say,

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don't look at me where I am today, the voter,
the thirty eight year old, forty eight year old woman,
look at me as the fourteen year old who did
not have defense, who did not have the adults who
should have been paying attention, who should have had my back,
who should have prevented all of these travesties from happening
to me and to a thousand other girls like me.

(19:47):
They didn't have a defense. They didn't have a defender,
they didn't have a champion, they didn't have the basic
modicum of justice available to them. I don't want to
over extreme this thing, but when those women during their
pre conferences, we asked us to close our eyes and
sort of think about the the women in our lives,
the girls in our lives at their age at fourteen,

(20:09):
think about what they smell like, what they sound like,
how they laugh. I just could not help but to
put myself in that place and consider all the all
the women I know, including you all, and think what
the hell I wouldn't do in defense of you. And
the fact that the whole system laid down on its

(20:31):
back for Jeffrey Epstein in the and and in the
in the, in the the the depth of a diabolical
behavior that took place there, I'm beyond Jeffrey Epstein. I
want these files because I want to. I want I

(20:51):
want to unmask the system that allow for that to happen.
Because it wasn't just that colorable, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
But if I can, if I can, if I can
believe been very patient the soult, But I just want
to make this point because I.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Think, yes, twenty three minutes podcast you yielded the mic.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I just want to make one quick point after every
one of them, three minutes an adult conversation. I just
want to make this quick point. Southwest Key Programs is
still allowing for multiple abuse to happen, So the system
still exists.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's not okay. Care, So that's the only point.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Absolutely not okay. Agree, agreed, Agreed, Angela.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
Yes, So I hope that we can all agree that
child abuse, elder abuse, abuse of any adult, any abusive,
any kind, tiffany thinking of you with dogs is not okay. Right,
It's not okay, And that is the adult conversation. The
adult conversation is to acknowledge that this isn't a partisan
conversation at all. It's a conversation about power. The conversation

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is the fact that there are people who are not
blameless on either side of the aisle. The conversation is
about the way in which this issue has been made
to be a political football. Andrew, I think use the
analogy of a ball as well, and both parties are
to blame here. Larry Summers is in front of a

(22:12):
Harvard class just on Tuesday talking about his role and
how he was going to take a step back. But
if it's okay, I'm going to proceed to teach this class.
We have no idea who is all in it, like
literally to blame for this, and it is not. I
hate to do this because I want to blame Donald
Trump for everything possible.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
But the reality of it is, there are a lot.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
Of people who were playing ball with Jeffrey Epstein, no
pun intended, a lot of people. There are women, there
are men, there are elders, there are youngers, everybody in between.
So it is about power and the ways in which
we are proximity. Our proximity to power colors our conviction.

(22:59):
It blind us to what is right. You know, emails
being sent by fundraisers and like, yes, I get it.
I was one of the people that would send emails
for my bosses for fundraisers and turn a blind eye
to people who we know we wouldn't want to even
be in the same room with, but because they're a donor,
because they could cut a goddamn check, we're fine with it. Right,

(23:22):
I understand, Like there are there's a lot here that
needs to be unpacked, and we have to do this
in earnest right, like we should not ever be treating
abuse of anyone as a partisan game.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
It's not. It really is not.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
And I think that is what is most unfortunate here,
because even after this vote, it is still being handled
this way. Donald Trump played a mean, terrible game here,
and he did not add up the consequences during the election.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
But those people there are. For some people, what's.

Speaker 6 (23:52):
Fine for us to allow them to be single issue voters,
but for them it's not. I wish that Donald Trump
never set foot in the White House. He is an
embarrassment to this country. And yet, and still I understand
how someone could say, well, this person is finally saying
after decades that they are going to bring us justice
on this issue where I felt unseen and unheard. I

(24:13):
would hate to be in that position, But I can
understand it. As sick as it is, I can understand it,
I really can. And what I think is really unfortunate
here is on the day of the vote, the Senate
says that the Senate said that they would do you
see a unanimous concept vote, so they don't even have
to be recorded for whatever reason you see happen. Bill

(24:34):
is on the President's desk at the time we record
this podcast, still not signed it to the law into
law at the time we record this podcast.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
But the reality of it is they still made it.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
A game because on the House floor Tuesday night, instead
of focusing on keeping the main thing, the main thing
for Epstein survivors, they turned their ire towards Delegate Stacey Plaskett,
who is a non voting member on the floor and
censured her.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
Sought to censure her. The vote failed. But I do
want to play this clip since we're talking about felons.

Speaker 9 (25:06):
You don't want to talk about what is really happening here.
Your a tax on working families, your protection of powerful
predators and corporate criminals. You want to talk about texting,
texting felons. How often do you text President Donald J. Trump?
That's the individual we should be concerned about.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
I loves behind her with absolute.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
The Congressional Black Caucus, chaired by Evatt Clark, made a
statement in support of Stacy Plaskett. And of course this
is regarding the hearing where Michael Cohen testified before Congress
last year and in that hearing, Stacey Plaskett uh was
texting with Jeffrey Epstein. She they they made the allegation

(25:52):
that he prepped her to question the witness before the hearing,
that he was feeding her questions. This is a career
long prosecutor. She didn't need any help from Jeffrey Epstein
and yet instilled. The issue remains, why is he even
in your phone? We have to be able to hold
both truths.

Speaker 7 (26:10):
Should she be centured for it?

Speaker 6 (26:11):
No, because he was texting and email and talking to
a whole lot more than just Stacy Plasket. But we
have to acknowledge what people are battling in this moment
where we're dealing with proximity to power, abuses of power,
someone who is trying to undermine and dismantle frankly democracy.

Speaker 7 (26:28):
People want real answers about the way.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
That the He'll moves, the way that politicians move, and
what needs to change. And I think it is an
invitation for all of us to figure out what needs
to shift so that we can do right by the
American people at all time, regardless of our proximity to power.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Can I throw in one little random fact since we're here, Yeah,
one of the things that I found to be a
great deal ironic throughout this whole thing, and going through
some of the people who are able to kind of
code the emails for us, is there was one email
the Tiffany's point a little earlier. We were talking about
just the systems of power and the Clintons and things

(27:06):
that happened, but there was one email that actually stated
that Bill Clinton had never actually been on Epstein Island
throughout all this entire kind of and this goes back
to your point, Andrew, we have more questions than answers,
and it should not be that case when you have
young women and we know that we're victimized, and I mean,

(27:27):
I yeah, I mean, let's be very clear and intentional
about our language. Young girls who were victimized, and still
yet and still to this day, we're talking about someone
who's sentence and I do criminal law a lot, somebody
who's sentenced for the crimes in which he pled guilty,
allowed him free reign to come and go to the
jail as he pleased, and that person ended up becoming

(27:50):
the Labor Secretary of the United States, And it just
it kind of goes to show the person who was
up again. Yeah, so it goes to show you that
some of the things we held to be true may
not be and some of the questions that we that
we've had in our heart for a long period of time.
And this is the I said this before. This is

(28:11):
the fascination of Donald Trump that I have. We talked
about it last week when we when we talked about
him speaking for poor people and shitting on a golden toilet,
but poor people believing that he spoke for them. Well,
in this particular case, the kind of Tiffany's point and
Angela's point to put a bow on it, there are

(28:33):
women in this country, particularly those victimized by Jeffrey Epstein,
that felt like Donald Trump is the only one who
spoke for them. And for me, I don't know how
people go through there. I don't. I can't sit here
with the audacity to say I know what it's like
to go through that particular healing journey. But I refuse
to be like them. So I'm gonna give them that

(28:54):
space to do what's necessary.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
I have so many thoughts on that, but I don't
I don't know if that was a deciding factor for
those particular set of women. But we talked about this
last week. We had our disagreement on this last week,
Bakari and Andrew, we were on opposite sides because I

(29:17):
think the system of white supremacy was always the.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Top thing for for them.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
It's hard for me to reckon to reconcile that you
vote for an ACUS sex offender because he's the person
who's going to.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Speak for you.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I think there were a lot of other factors that
contributed to that. But I hear you, I hear you.
The chief stands alone, and I think all three of
y'all probably disagree with No.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
It could it could be.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
You could be.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Right that they're both true. A matter of priority though
right now was first and foremost of these women was
there was a candidate running for president who, regardless of
his motivations, because we know they were maniacal, he was
trying to do an in run around. But regardless of
his motivations, there was the candidate for president who was

(30:01):
saying that this kind of behavior is unacceptable and we're
going to unearth all of it. Lo and behold, he
is the damn thought right.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Definitely, we're going to see I mean, they're saying categories
are going to be blacked out obviously information about the
victims and explicit details about the actual abuse. But here's
where I'm my Spidey sense, because they're saying information that
is properly classified to protect national security. And I just wonder,
who are the people who's going to determine what is

(30:32):
national security what we can't see. I would imagine that
some of these folks are going to be Trump acolytes
and have a political interest in protecting people in these files.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Or have direct complement or or the other thing, which
is something which is going to catch a wide swath
of this information as he's going to as he already
did say that he wanted to put other people under investigation,
and you cannot disclose information. Oh can I say something
real quick here?

Speaker 9 (31:01):
Ye?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
All right? This goes out to our Tiffany and Angela's
good friend, Steven A. Smith. So there were a lot
of people who question why Democrats did not release the
Epstein files when Joe Biden was president. I need to
remind people that Julane Maxwell was not convicted until twoenty

(31:27):
and twenty one, and she was still undergoing her appeals process,
which means that those records could not be opened. While
you're going through that judicial process. And furthermore, there were
still people who were the targets, not official FBI targets,
but targets of the Epstein investigation, and you dare not

(31:50):
release information while those investigations are ongoing. And so there
was this conversation that happened kind of around the water cooler. Well,
Democrats didn't care. They should have released it when Joe
Biden was president, and I just wanted to fact check
that while we had the microphone.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
But moreover, we actually believe in the system of justice
where the executive does not direct the work of the
Department of Justice, and you had a Department of Justice
who was set aside doing its own thing. But moreover,
we didn't choose this issue to weaponize, to use as
a cudgel over Democrats, to make it a political issue

(32:26):
that will cause voters to vote one way or another.
That's not how this issue was treated by Democrats. But
I'm over the partisan because I think this is going
to be one of those areas that is going to
cross it if done properly, and I don't have full confidence,
actually I don't have half confidence that properly is going
to be in the factor here. But if let's say

(32:49):
a future president comes along who's interested in real justice here,
perhaps they will make sure that nobody slips through the
skill that we are able to hold not just the individuals,
but the systems that allowed it to take place under
the cover of every clandestine organization in this country, be

(33:11):
it the CIA, the FBI. Again, we're talking about international
trade of girl.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
I guess the thing that I just would say, and
I'm not saying that you were directing this response to me,
but I just want to clarify I'm not talking about
the release of the files when I say that these
women waited for decades for justice. They just wanted Jeffrey
Epstein to be held accountable.

Speaker 7 (33:34):
Files released or.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
Not about Yes, I'm just clarifying for the listener, that's
not what I'm saying. I'm saying it wasn't that they've
been pleading for the files to be released. They were
pleading for this man, the people who you know, rape, harassed,
abuse them, to be held accountable.

Speaker 7 (33:49):
And they had not seen that.

Speaker 6 (33:51):
And finally it looked like, you know, especially when you're
in pain, you're in trauma, it looks like, oh, there's
someone that's going to do this, not thinking that it
is again a polittle football for them, so they're thinking like,
oh my Hope is finally in something, and then you
know whatever.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Well, the biggest loser goes to Speaker of the House
period enough.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
Said, oh, I know he should have played that clip.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Completely responsible next to next to next to President Trump
for their there being making it necessary for a vote
to have been having been taken.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
No, making it necessary for a motion to discharge to
have to happen, bring it to the floor, even went
on recess, they went off the house floor.

Speaker 7 (34:33):
Wouldn't do any house business during this shut down.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Not six weeks.

Speaker 7 (34:38):
I'm not touching this.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
And he wouldn't even he wouldn't even seet the person
who was the vote for the discharge.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
Petition, Rob Gave's daughter.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
Yes, So let me just also say something that's gonna
make since we all just jumped Tiffany Cross, something that's
gonna make her feel better. I want to give a
shot out. I want to give a shout out to
Julie Brown from the Miami Hero because without local journalism,

(35:07):
which is why I always tell folks, you know, you
got to support local journalism, you got to support true journalism.
You got to support independent journalism when it's there. You know,
Jeffrey Epstein's story, it wouldn't be something that came to
the forefront, It wouldn't have risen to that level because
it was because of these It was because of these
local journalists who decided to listen to the voices of
these girls, who gave a voice to the voice lesson.

(35:30):
So as we're talking about the white we've talked about
every angle of this story. I wanted to make sure
we didn't overlook Julie Brown from the Miami Herald, who
was one of the many but at the forefront of
making sure that this story actually saw what do they say,
They say sunshine is the best disinfectant, and she was
able to provide a little sunshine to the Jeffrey Epstein story.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Thank you for that, I think really important point.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
All Right, Well, certainly we'll probably revisit this conversation a
few times, but we do have a guest coming up,
So let's shift gears to that. M all right, joining

(36:15):
Native lamp Pod. Now is the Masssachusetts Massissachusetts?

Speaker 6 (36:21):
Okay, he said, you're thinking about Mississippi.

Speaker 9 (36:31):
Letter.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
The general is going to be obliged to have to
correct you, right, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
That is how you don't introduce the guess. I was
doing that for your benefits, so.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I know how to introduce a guess and how not
to around here on these n O P streets.

Speaker 7 (36:51):
Now that's gonna be a T shirt now to.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Now let's really get into it, you guys.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Uh any who joining Native.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Lampard now is Theuse's Attorney General, Andrea Joy Campbell. She
has served as the Commonwealth's forty fifth Attorney General since
twenty twenty three. She's a member of the Democratic Party,
and before that, she was a member of the Boston
City Council. Madam Age, thank you so much for joining us.
We're very pleased to have you. Welcome home, as we
say around.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Here, welcome home.

Speaker 10 (37:22):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I know you're super busy, so I'm gonna kick us
off with the question. All my colleagues have a lot
of questions. I'll be quick with my questions. I think
one of the heavy things that's big on our minds
right now. We're seeing what's happening this week with Ice
in Charlotte and our co host Bakari's neck of the Woods,
and you've been on the forefront fighting the Trump administration

(37:44):
on a lot of this. You seem to be at
odds with the US State's Attorney there in Massachusetts. I've
seen you guys had a few moments of back and
forth over what's happening there. But one thing that you've
really been out front on EPs holders Temporary protected status Massachusetts,
which I was not aware has one of the highest

(38:06):
Haitian populations in Massachusetts. Yeah, I didn't know that, Andrew,
outside of Florida, and you have been really out front
with protecting that that community of Haitians and Venezuelan's even
going as far as joining a lawsuit against the federal
government who's essentially going after what we call sanctuary cities

(38:28):
where you know, people are allowed to live freely and
not being disappeared off the streets, but they're holding hostage
funding basically trying to punish some of these cities. Can
you let us know what is the latest in that
particular fight and where that stands, particularly as we see
what's happening in other cities across the country.

Speaker 10 (38:48):
We are doing a lot to protect immigrants and frankly,
to push back on a cruel immigration policy that we're
seeing not just in Massachusetts, but as you said, across
the country. And they would have Folks think that the
immigration policy is about promoting public safety, it is exact opposite.
It is about perpetuating fear in our communities. It's also

(39:11):
not only perpetuating fear, those who might come forward to
report a crime are less likely to do so. It's
absolutely undermining the trust between law enforcement and communities that
have been built over decades and having just the opposite effect.
And I will just say, with no transparency and very
little accountability for the agregious tactics that ICE is using

(39:34):
in our communities, if I had my state police conducting
operations as ICE is right now, there would be transparency, accountability.
I would be called to every agency to speak up
for their tactics. And here you have no accountability whatsoever.
So we're doing our part to push back, doing a
lot of know your rights training, filing a lot of litigation.

(39:55):
We've filed several litigation efforts, I should say, on protecting
stif including TPS for Venezuelan Haitians. We have a large
Haitian population here in Massachusetts, and so much so that
if we were to deport every Haitian in Massachusetts, our
elder care system, our PCA care system, our healthcare system
would come crumbling down. And so there are real economic

(40:18):
consequences in addition to that cultural contributions, of course, and frankly,
we're making a crystal clear that these policies do nothing
to promote the well being of our citizens, do nothing
to bring about economic prosperity, and absolutely nothing to address
the cost of living crisis that we're seeing in Massachusetts
and in this country.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
That's right, General, I am coming from Florida, having been
born and raised in Miami. I actually one of the
key stops that I made when I was running for
governor of Florida was to Massachusetts to get rack up
some endorsements of some of the Haitian leaders in your state.
Oddly enough, General, you have the distinction of being only

(40:59):
the second africa An American elected statewide UH in Massachusetts
behind UH Edward W. Brooks, who I knew through my
former boss who was his chief of staff for a
number of years. When when when Edward W. Brooks was
in in the United States Senate, I am curious to

(41:22):
know whether or not the legal maneuverings of this current
administration in Washington, d C. Very specifically the U. S.
Attorney General's Office has in their targeting of your fellow
Attorney General, Leticia James of New York State.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
If that.

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Targeted, very cruel, unsubstantiated attack on her has caused or
created any kind of a chilling effect amongst your fellow
attorney general's attorneys general across the country. You all have
been on the front lines. In fact, when we couldn't

(42:07):
look around anywhere DC or any other community around the
state and find front line, the attorney's generals were out
there holding this administration accountable and standing on the side
of law and justice. But I am curious to know
whether or not you all have experienced any kind of
a chilling effect or what concerns it causes you to

(42:27):
see this administration personally go after defenders of democracy and
of law and of justice such as yourselves as Attorney's general.

Speaker 10 (42:38):
I appreciate the question, and I stand on his shoulders
as well as Duval Patrick's right folks who came ahead
of me in Massachusetts who paved the way, and I
used to be an attorney for Governor Patricks, so we're
quite close in fighting the fight, and I will tell
you I am inspired by them and all the other
unnamed black folks that I stand on their shoulders, especially

(43:00):
black women. I was recently in Montgomery, Alabama, with Brian
Stevenson talking about the wrongful conviction work he's doing and
what we could be doing here in Massachusetts, and taking
in obviously all of the sites that he continues to
create to lift up our stories. I got on a
plane and I came back absolutely inspired. So yes, there
are targets on the backs of ags, only Democratic ags

(43:22):
of course, who are stepping up in this moment in time,
targets on our back, but I've been leaning into it
and saying, bring it on, inspired by the history of
my folks, inspired by the history here in Massachusetts, and
inspired by the stories are real people that without us,
would not see relief and accountability, wouldn't have snap benefits,
wouldn't have a public education, wouldn't have a clinical trial

(43:44):
for pediatric cancer if we didn't step up and fight
the fight. And so I know many of my colleagues
feel the same. We of course have AG James's back
all day every day, but we know why we do
this work, and I would add one personal layer for
me is I'm very faith driven, aim that everywhere I
go I know not only who I am, I know
whose I am. So I'm just praying more knowing that

(44:06):
my God goes ahead of me, behind me, and all
around me. And I think in this moment in time,
we need to lean on our personal stories, our history,
and our faith.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
I love that. And I want to please excuse me,
Duval Patrick, Governor, for that blatant domssion when I talked
about only one of two state wise, of course there is,
Governor Patrick. I appreciate the correction.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
No, I was running to correct your Andrew, don't don't worry.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
Thank you. I know you before you started.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Madam Attorney General. I love you, I adore you. For
those of you all on Native Land who don't know,
we were in Iowa and a cold, cold Iowa, and
she was pregnant and we were out there eating cold
pizza and knocking on doors for then presidential candidate Kamala Harris.
So shout out to that baby that was in your
right next month.

Speaker 10 (44:55):
So we were running the street six years ago.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
My goodness. Let me ask you just a personal question
because I feel like I know you and supported you
throughout the way. But people don't know that when they
see you and they see your smile today, that everything
don't always go right. In twenty twenty one, you should
have been, as we thought, the next mayor of the
City of Boston, and things didn't work out for you.

(45:19):
Talk about that defeat and how that spurred you on
to be able to do the great things you're doing now.
I mean, whether or not you're talking about snap benefits,
or you're talking about children who aren't in school because
they're afraid of ice or all those things. It did
not happen if you didn't have that defeat. And we're
able to gain some moment of clarity, I guess relying
on your face. So how did you get knocked down

(45:40):
and get back up again?

Speaker 10 (45:41):
Definitely my faith even in that loss. I tell folks,
it's how it's your perspective, right. I flipped the loss
and saw it as an opportunity, and I said to God, Okay,
if that wasn't it, then where are we going next?
And I think it's really important you're going to have losses.
But if anything, I learned more about myself during that race.
I learned that I carried deeply about politics and government

(46:02):
helping people and not harming people. And so when the
opportunity came along to run for Attorney General, I said,
do I want that job? And let me tell you,
everything works out as it should, especially when it's connected
to something bigger than you and when it's not about you.
And so this work of service is not about me.
But it's not just my faith. You know, my personal story.
I've had so many defeats along the way. You know,

(46:24):
when I was eight months old, my mom died in
a car accident going to visit my father, who was
in prison at the time. I didn't even meet my
father until I was eight, and so my brothers and
I we bounced around. We lived with my grandmother, who
did the best she could but struggled with alcoholism at times.
And when she was struggling, we're in a foster care
system or with a relative. And then my dad would
get out of prison. I'd meet him for the first

(46:46):
time when I was eight, but he would live to
see me graduate from Princeton. I talked to him one morning.
He died the same evening when I was nineteen years old,
and then fast forward. My twin brother, Andre would die
while in the custody of the Department of Correction at
the age of twenty nine as a pre trial detainee
as a result of receiving inadequate health care. So I
sit here today. My middle name is Joy, so I

(47:07):
have no choice but to stand in that, but it
comes from my biological mother. And in addition to that,
just reflecting on all that loss and thinking about how
do I use this job that I'm privileged to have
to break other cycles of poverty, criminalization, mediocrity for other
families in Massachusetts and families by our work outside of Massachusetts.

(47:28):
So it's purpose driven work and I'm already breaking those
cycles from my two beautiful boys. So anything that comes
my way now, I'm just like, bring it on, because
if I got through all that, I know I'll be
okay going forward. And I think this is our time
to remind our people not to be ashamed of their stories,
to be vulnerable in it, because it gives you tremendous power.
So when you come across a professional loss, it's not

(47:49):
that it's a learning opportunity. It's an opportunity to keep
moving ahead and who knows where you might end.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
Up Attorney General Campbell you talk to about your legacy
and the shoulders you stand on. I can't help but
to notice the picture of Muhammad Ali you have on
the wall behind you, and I want to bring that
up just for a moment, because I think it's important
for people to understand how many knockout blows you've given
to this administration, the Trump administration, with almost two dozen

(48:18):
lawsuits against the Trump administration. Would love to talk to
you about how you feel about that record, and now
that we know that the Trump administration is continuing down
the very treacherous path of dismantling the Department of Education,
including outsourcing the work of the Civil Rights Division there,
I'd love to hear about the work that you are

(48:39):
doing and leading with state's attorneys general around DEIA.

Speaker 10 (48:44):
I really appreciate that, and I have Muhammad al lead
because I feel like in this moment in time, he's
like my muse, I guess, and Fanny lou Hamer too,
both of them, and maybe Kendrick Lamar. Right now, I'm
just relying on all of them in so many different ways.
And I tell folks here in Massachusetts, we're small, but
we're a mighty state, and we punch above our weight

(49:05):
every day, and I feel like Muhammad Ali punching above
our weight. We have now forty one lawsuits against this
Trump administration. They try to come for three point two
four billion dollars in Massachusetts investments. Our lawsuits have protected
three point zero two billion dollars of Massachusetts investments.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
So who your.

Speaker 10 (49:27):
AG is in your state matters, And most of these
lawsuits are across state lines to protect DEI and DEA
initiatives and to do it unapologetically. There is nothing right now,
even as we sit in this conversation and on this platform,
there is nothing that this administration at the federal level
has done that has made DEI initiatives, diversity, equity, and

(49:49):
inclusion unlawful. It is still lawful. So if anything, we're
telling folks not to succumb to their fear, but to
keep exercising their leadership. And us ags have their and
the education context and the employment context, you name it.
We're also fighting for public schools and public education. The
three billion I mentioned, they tried to come for close

(50:09):
to two hundred million of funding for our public schools
here in Massachusetts, which would not have opened on time
and delivered educational services for our students and our educators
if we didn't follow that lawsuit. And we have another
lawsuit of course against the dismantling of the Department of Education,
so we'll continue that. But all to say, not only
do we need to keep punching above our weight in

(50:30):
this moment, ags have I think the most impactful tool
to fight back because litigation in particular is what we
need to hold them accountable.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
That's excellent.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
I know we also have a question we'd like to
hear from our native lampire community. We have a question
on veterans and how they are being protected or not
so protected with the hands at the hands of Ice.

Speaker 11 (50:57):
Creating's native lampire. My name is April from that Lansa.
I absolutely love your podcast. I want to thank you
for your comments on Veterans Day. We definitely want to
praise our veterans and thank them for their service and
their sacrifice. I have several members in my family that
have service country. My question is, are you aware that
there are immigrant veterans that are currently sitting in detention

(51:19):
centers and are facing deportation. One of those people is
my loved one who signed up in the military, serve
this country, and in spite of that, is facing deportation
to his native country. It is not right, it is unjust,
and I would like to know your thoughts about it.
How can we bring greater awareness to these veterans that

(51:40):
could be facing deportation and are currently sitting in detention centers.
Thank you so very.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
Much, Attorney General Campbell your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (51:47):
First of all, thank you for lifting up that story,
because I think people often when we're talking about this work,
will refer to some spreadsheet and just numbers. These are
real people. These are Americans or folks who want to
be in this country because they love this country, and
in this case, obviously veterans. So in the context of
even the snap conversation this happened before Veterans Day, we

(52:09):
had so many veterans that were reaching out to our
office because they were food and secure and grateful for
our lawsuit to protect access to food benefits for them,
a population that's often forgotten. We're doing a lot in
this space, including in the housing context and for folks
who are returning, in the mental health space, job and employment,
you name it. We have no partner at the federal

(52:29):
level whatsoever. When it comes to this work. In name,
they may say, oh, Happy Veterans Day, but in action
and substance, there're no way to be found. And the
fact that we have folks who are willing to die
for this country sitting in detention facilities is absolutely unconscionable
and ridiculous. And I'm not surprised the folks that they
would say they're detaining. They're saying they're criminals. It's nonsense.

(52:53):
We are not seeing that. If there are maybe one
person they pick up with the criminal record, when you
pull back, if they're able to obtain the information, it
is folks who have no criminal record, folks who are
actively seeking asylum, maybe they're veterans or folks who've had
cases dismissed, and so they're picking up folks who, for
whatever reason shouldn't be in detention. So what we're doing

(53:15):
is doing rapid response, making sure people have access to lawyers.
Were also helping with bond and making sure folks can
be released on bond while they go through some proceedings.
But the end of the day, I think it's a
reminder to everyone in this country. Our ags will keep
fighting the fight, but our tools at some point will
hit a wall. The trauma that folks are experiencing is real.
And if you don't like the immigration policy coming from

(53:37):
this White House, get typically engaged, get out and vote,
do your part. It's equally important and it's just as powerful.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Well, I love you. I'm thankful that you came by.
Some of my met some of my friends.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
You've also taken care of us.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
Yeah, I'm I'm glad you went there because I actually
wanted you to end there, which is on I'm just
out of curiosity, wondering how you let your hair down?
What is relaxation for an attorney general who's at war
twenty four to seven? It seems on every side, what
does the calming down? Is it a reality show? Is

(54:25):
it some yoga? Is it it collar greens cooked Kamala
Harris style.

Speaker 10 (54:34):
Well, I'm definitely looking forward to Thanksgiving for sure my
family because it would be all of that and then
some more. But it's running running around with my kids,
playing with them. It's starting my day in prayer even
before my kids wake up, before my husband wakes up,
and just centering my spirit and just realizing I'm not
doing this by myself, and I'm certainly not doing it

(54:56):
in my own strength. And it's also surrounding myself with
positive people, people who know that yes it's hard, but
rolling up their sleeves to say, well, what are we
going to do about it? Not accepting it right and
not lowering their expectations of what they should get from
government or anything else. And so this space right here
does that for me. So just surrounding myself with folks

(55:17):
who pour into me and I'm grateful. Then I have
an incredible team. I work with folks who are dedicated
to public service and I'm inspired by them every single day.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
I love that general. Thank you, and welcome home. You're welcome, y'all.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Make sure y'all write some checks, write some checks to
this ain't this job, and don't run off love and prayers.

Speaker 7 (55:42):
Champagne contributions, campaign contributions. I just want to make sure
we're not trump.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
A new ballroom.

Speaker 10 (55:54):
Right Andred campbelled up for a j Campbell m A
on social media. So thank you all for having me
stay blast happy, Thanks, happy holidays, Thank you.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
So much, thank you so much.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
Nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, very happy that that she was able to join.
That was a really good conversation.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I love that she punctuated the point of how important
attorneys general are across this country because I keep saying
the courts will not hold. I know, you know, I
have two lawyers on the show, but I just I
don't have a lot of faith in the Justice Department.
And right now that seems to be who's on the
front line, the judges and the attorneys general, and I
just don't know how much they're going to hold. And

(56:42):
speaking to that, Angela, you dropped in our chat speaking
of the courts not holding. What federal prosecutors are trying
to do when it comes to Brehonna Taylor's convicted killer.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
What is the latest there.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
I just want to back into this a little different,
and it's because you know, when we have this conversation
and people say, you know, I'm choosing the lesser of
two evils, or both parties are just as bad, or
all of these things, there are pointed examples where we
can show people the stark distinction between two different parties

(57:19):
and the people that they put in place, and I
think this is one of them. I remember when Donald
Trump was elected the first time and Jeff Sessions was
Attorney general. I was calling it the Department of Injustice.
And we've seen just how far this department will go
to protect Donald Trump's friends, you know, people that have

(57:39):
protected him. We've seen Donald Trump abuse his pardon power.
We've seen the Pardon Office run by Ed Martin, an
attorney of Donald Trump's, abuse that office. And we're seeing
the ways in which not only did they eliminate the
transparency database around police office officers who have had passed

(58:01):
issues around abuse, harm, harassment, even killing of different citizens
in various states and cities.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
But now a case that our folks fought hard for.

Speaker 6 (58:13):
When you think about the convergence of what happened in
the summer of twenty twenty with George Floyd, certainly that
was met with amaud Arbury and Breonna Taylor, and now
the thing that we fought for, the thing that her mother,
to Miika Palmer, cried for, which was to ensure that
her daughter eventually would receive some type of justice. I
wouldn't call thirty three months justice at all. But now

(58:34):
we have the Department of Injustice, led by Pam Bondi,
seeking to ensure that this man, detective and now I'm
friging his name is it Hankerson, Yes, when now we're
seeing them fight for him to be out of jail
while they await his appeal. And I'm saying this knowing

(58:56):
that Donald Trump is going after Tis James for a
mortgage fraud that does not in fact exist, going after
Adam Schiff and all the rest, all of his political enemies.
But they will protect law enforcement who abuse the power
of the badge and kill us, willfully, abuse us, willfully,
and then seek for them to be out on bail

(59:17):
and then out of jail, altogether undermining what the Biden
Harris administration's Justice Department did.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
So that's the law enforcement that was brutalized by the
January sisters, who who we are responsible for the death
of of folks who were standing in the Gafford democracy.

Speaker 6 (59:37):
That falls in the category of the pardon power being abused,
given the fact that I started there.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Yeah, the pardon and then let's not even forget that
we just found out this week. You like that timing note,
don't you, Tiffany. We just found out this week that
the raggedy District attorney or United States attorney from the
northern part of Virginia didn't even show the Grand the
second amended indictment for James Comey. They completely circumvented the

(01:00:05):
process to indict another one of their political enemies.

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
This is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Fascinating to me. It's fascinating to me, and it's hurtful
to me. And it's not surprising to me because on
the very bare minimum, I think we all started this
journey and quote unquote civil rights with a few fundamental
facts that we all held true, no matter if you

(01:00:31):
were the four of us, or you in Black Lives Matter,
you were just somebody randomly protesting or whatever. It was
the nexus that brought us all together for a lot
of those voices that people who watch our show have
been hearing for the past fifteen twenty years, is that one.
We understand that Breonna Taylor, We understand the Motte Aubrey,
We understand George Floyd, we understand. Everything that happened since

(01:00:54):
then is not justice. Justice is them being alive. Everything
that happened since then is may be a monocrum of accountability,
if that so, That's kind of first, and then we
realized how difficult it was even to get that accountability.
We realized that we had to move heaven and earth
to get that accountability, and only with a blink of

(01:01:14):
an eye, only with a vote or an election, does
all of that accountability roll back. And the last thing
is fundamentally all of us. I mean, I know, we
have our disagreements on whatever the particular issue is. You
even have movements of black folk who were trying to
get to the same place that have disagreements on how
to get there, right, but all of us believe that
we're in this position because people do not give us

(01:01:36):
the benefit of our humanity. And Brianna Taylor is the
perfect part of that. She didn't get the benefit of
her humanity in life, and she damned sure not getting
it in death. And so the troublesome part is Brianna
is not even able to rest. That is the that's
the sad part of this.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
I do think that it's important to also know to
this point around rest, the attorneys that work in the
Department of Justice have also reached a crossroads. There is
a peace in The New York Times this week a
deep dive where they interview more than sixty lawyers who
talked about leaving the Department of Justice. Hundreds we have
been fired, and thousands more have left the Department. At

(01:02:18):
least over a thousand have left because they can't defend
what this administration is doing, which is not upholding or
protecting the law.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Could I just add, while we're on this topic, that
there are so that our audience isn't surprise, and we're
not surprised, there are conversations and justice around what it
might mean to pardon Derek Chauvin of his murderous acts.
And the truth is is that I'm not even I'm

(01:02:47):
disgusted by it, but not even surprised that this is
part of the conversation. There is a wing that has
kept Donald Trump afloat, including in these latest polls that
overall have been pretty you know, disastrous for Donald Trump
of late a moment in time, of course. But but
the people who keep buoying him are these hardcore radical

(01:03:10):
right racists who he can do no wrong. Why because,
as you've already pointed out, Tiffany repeatedly, is that they
are in common cause around right white supremacy. And they
know at the end of the day, the beginning of
the day, through the evening and and you know, whatever
the hour, that Donald Trump is always going to stand

(01:03:30):
at the at the at the at the at the
goddamn gates like he's bull Connor at the doorway between
what's right, what's fair, what's equitable, what's qualified, and white supremacy.
And I don't mean to say that all those things
are opposite white supremacy. But if that's your if that's

(01:03:53):
your modus of operandi, if that's what you live and
die to defend, then we can't make room for your qualifications,
your meritocracy. We can't make room for that when all
I know is that you're motivated by making sure that
the supremacy that has foregone us four hundred plus years
is what follows for the next four hundred years. That's

(01:04:15):
what they're in defense of. So this I just want
to ready our community that there's probably gonna be a
lot more pain, a lot more hurt, a lot more
rolling back of accountability, if we could say it, certainly
not justice, but the symbols of justice that we've gotten.
This officer fired into an apartment where he could.

Speaker 7 (01:04:36):
Not see into it ten times blinds up.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I mean, this is.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Against any protocol of any law enforcement official blindly shooting
into a space and he has no line of sight.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
And this is the thing this is not just unique
to Breonna Taylor's case. Of course, Andrew just referenced George
Floyd as well, and Derek Shavin and the efforts that
are a largely based in white supremacy to get him
part and and we have a clip from Ben Shapiro
on that.

Speaker 12 (01:05:07):
And there are a bunch of reasons why Derek Chauvin
should be parted. By the way, while in federal custody,
he was stabbed recently twenty one times by fellow inmates.
It's quite dangerous for him. The reason why we now
know all of this is because we know from jurors
that they were pressured, that they felt the pressure, that
they were scared to rule in favor of Derek Chauvin.
That we now know, and we could see it at

(01:05:29):
the time, the amount of public pressure that was brought
in that particular case. The mayor of Minneapolis was signing
settlements with the family of George Floyd on behalf of
the city in the middle of the trial. The governor
of Minnesota at the time was, of course Tim Walls,
and Tim Walls was basically out there proclaiming the guilt
of Derek Chauvin.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
So let me just say this really quickly. I think
Ben Shapiro is brilliant, right, I think that he is
just a brilliant, brilliant person who articulates his views. We
disagree with them. Whatever. Now that was some bolls because
none of that is legally sound or justified. Right. There
was nothing in that which reaches the level to have
a conviction overturned, let alone a pardon like duror pressure one.

(01:06:11):
There's no evidence of that. There's no evidence that a
juror would have because you know what happens out there.
Every after every guilty plea, they actually or guilty verdict,
they pull every jurors and say, is this your Do
you want to pull the jury? Yes? Is this your verdict?

Speaker 9 (01:06:25):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
Blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 12 (01:06:26):
So that that is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Settlements happened pre criminal case all the time, like this
is not anything. But I think it's necessary that we
hear somebody on the other side articulate their reasoning so
that then we can come in and stand on our
platform and be like, this is the reason why this
isn't true. Not rooted in emotion, not rooted and I
hate you you're on a but rooted in the fact that. No,

(01:06:49):
this just isn't legally sound. And the crazy part about
it is Andrew Gillum, it's not legally sound. And Donald
Trump still may do to shit.

Speaker 7 (01:06:59):
Yeah, absolutely likely will.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I just have a slight disagreement there, not a slight
a major disagreement there with Acari. I think if we're
calling Ben Shapiro brilliant, then our standard for brilliant is
very low.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
That's his I don't mind calling people. I mean, I
think he's a very I think he's very smart, very
well read, very articulate. I mean, we can disagree with you,
we can disagree with people who we think are smart, disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
With people I think he's smart all the time. He
just doesn't fall into that category.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
But I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
If you think he's brilliant, I yield to the I
yield to your point.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
But I think it's just he's in all our brilliant meetings,
you know. That's what I'm saying when we have our
little meaning the brilliant people.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
No wonder, I'm not invited to that meeting, but I
do think that they mask a lot of policy and
white supremacy. And I want to switch gears here and
shift us to something that I want to talk about,
and that is in your neck of the woods, Bakari,
and in your neck of the woods, Andrew, there is
a state law trying to be introduced. But in order
for us to talk about that, I want to take

(01:07:59):
us back to last year. We were in Philadelphia and
did a show leading up to the election, and we
had a wonderful question asked from a young man there
who's a member of Alpha Fay Alpha Fraternity Incorporated and
stood up and asked this question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Take a listen.

Speaker 7 (01:08:13):
Say your name and where you're from. Please.

Speaker 9 (01:08:15):
Hi.

Speaker 13 (01:08:16):
My name is Shauna Alaone. I'm a junior here at
Tembo University. As a African American man that have a disability,
I was told by a white teacher that college was

(01:08:37):
not for me. Here I am in college with a
high GPA. But but but what I don't understand. We
talked about the black boat, the black woman both the

(01:08:57):
back LGBT two boat. What is amazing we're talkt about
all that, but we don't talk about the black disable
boat and people like myself of Tiger or being treated

(01:09:17):
as psychic past says it. So if y'all can just
talk about what we need to do as a community
to uplift the black disabled boat as well, so that
more people like myself can be a success story.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
We got a lot of response from that question, and
I just shout out to him for standing up and
asking and challenging us to talk more about that. And
so ever since then, every week, I've wanted to revisit
that topic. But again, during the Trump administration, it's like
trying to catch competti covering all the travesty. So while
we had time to, I just wanted to follow up
with that since there's a story in the news this

(01:10:03):
week that speaks directly to it. But first, black people
with disability are more likely to spend outside regular classroom.
Students are typically checked out of classrooms, They're more likely
to be placed in correctional facilities, and less likely to
have completed high school. And so he bucks all those trends.
There are more than three point six million black adults
who have a disability here in America, and students with

(01:10:27):
these disabilities, as you see, are disproportionately discriminated against. And
the ADA the American Disabilities Act passed in nineteen ninety
and that, just like every other civil rights in this
country past because of the work of black people. It
was more out of the Civil rights movement. People stayed

(01:10:47):
sit ins literally just copied the Civil rights movement to
get it. And there's intersectionality, of course, as we know
with black folks in every underclass community, but certainly with
black folks in the American discs Abilities Act.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Why are we talking about this?

Speaker 5 (01:11:02):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Where are you going? Where are you going with this?

Speaker 5 (01:11:05):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
If I can.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Why why this matters on a serious note is because
there is an effort underway in several red states, including
yours Bakari and yours Andrew, to allow pregnant women to
use handicapped parking spaces. And that sounds like a noble
enough gesture. However, this is not what it appears to be.

(01:11:36):
This is an initiative from right wing extremists. I think
we have to stop calling them conservatives. Right wing extremists
to encourage more women to have children. So a typical
tactic of right wing extremists is to pit one group
against the other. And so there are communities, including in
South Carolina and in Florida, who are filing a lawsuit

(01:11:58):
to stop this. So instead of saying, let's provide parking
for pregnant women. They're saying, we're going to take away
these parking spots and make them accessible to pregnant women. Now,
this is in direct violation of the American Disabilities Act,
and pregnancy is not qualified as a disability. And nobody's
saying that that pregnant women should not be able to

(01:12:19):
have these parking spaces. But there is a huge ground swell.
And so because that gentlemen so bravely asked that question,
this is precisely the intersection of people who are black,
who have disabilities, who are voters, and where policy butts
upright against them. There was a testimony from a woman
in Tallahassee Andrew who was one of the outspoken opponents

(01:12:41):
of this bill. But this is a state law happening
all across country across and I don't want people to
hear it and think, oh, this isn't a bad thing. No,
this is coming from white men, right wing extremists masking
this and policy, and it's rooted in turning America into Gilead.
And I thought this was some and really important to
raise to the viewers. But I get it's out of

(01:13:04):
interest to you, Bricari.

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
So that point.

Speaker 4 (01:13:06):
Oh no, I was letting you finish, but I wanted
to say one thing. I had to clarify one point.
If you are pregnant, yes, you do qualify for short
term disability. That's firm you and after you give birth
there are a few weeks in which you qualify for
short term disability. The reason I bring that up, just
as a clarification of your point is you know the

(01:13:28):
people who don't take advantage of that short term disability,
often enough pregnant that are black. Right, So I do
want to and your point is so nuanced that I'm
going to sit my ignorant butt down on the side.
But I did want to make sure that I that
I did articulate the fact that, yes, the pregnant women

(01:13:50):
do qualify as being disabled. I think they should take
advantage of it. And I think that those pregnant women
should get parking spots. But that's about the same I'm
going on.

Speaker 5 (01:13:58):
Any private businesses I've seen actually create parking spots for
women who are pregnant.

Speaker 7 (01:14:05):
Yeah, I tell y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
Can I confess somebody quick? Can I confess something out
one time? So if you tell me you park, No,
it's worse than that what so like, I had to
get on the zoom one day and so I was
in the Fort Lauda Deal airport and I downloaded the
app so I could go in and use the the

(01:14:31):
the breastfeeding, you know, the little that I can think of.

Speaker 5 (01:14:36):
The women need to feed their child.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Man, But there carrying that burden with that might have
been the reason I had to wait in line with
y'all before they get into heaven. So I'm just happy.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
Streak in here, man.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
I downloaded that app so quick. They were like, aren't
you for your zoom? And I said it there and
logged in. They were like, you got a beautiful background.
It was all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Scotty because I did want to just make that quick point.
That is a part of the lawsuit that they're saying
pregnant women can apply for a parking path for a
short term disability.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
So thank you for pointing that out.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Well, let me tell you my wife couldn't get nowhere
carrying them to babies with her feet the way they
were in those last couple of weeks. But I will
say this, what you want us to do is to
look at this from I think the view of how
we expand, right, you don't have to absolutely then put

(01:15:37):
certain communities against other communities, notwithstanding the correction, the legal,
important legal correction that you made, Bookar. This again is
first of all, bless the woman who wants to have
a child now to get a closer parking spot, because
I they're gonna have to try harder on the incentive side.
But I definitely know that that is part of the

(01:15:58):
right wing extreme that this. You know, they're they're obsessed
by their replacement theory and they are terrified by the
low birth rates of of of of of white women,
So surely you know they go down that track. But
I think we want to see this through the lens
of expansion rather than you know, contraction of support for

(01:16:19):
people who needed when they need correct and what we're
doing and what we're seeing many of these states is
the pitting against which is again what they do.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
Well, and especially when you think about things from a
scarcity model. I think it's really important. You know, I'm
grateful that you brought up Andrew the idea that or Bakari,
whichever one of you, you guys you know the same,
all black people are the same. But talked about the
fact that black women very rarely take advantage of this,

(01:16:52):
of this benefit, if we can call it that. But
when I think about all the work that Kamala Harris
and Lauren Underwood and other black women did in cong
or really trying to make sure that we bring black
maternal health to the forefront, and the many ways in
which our humanity is not seen carrying children in this
country in part because we did it for labor.

Speaker 7 (01:17:14):
That is the history of this country.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
What I don't want to do is dehumanize us even
more when we do need this type of support. So
one thing that I think is important in just for
a moment, because I think it would behoove us not
to miss something that has been on the radar talking
about black pregnant women. There was a woman in Dallas,
there's a woman in Indiana who both were kicked out

(01:17:37):
of hospitals just recently. And I want to play the
clip of the woman in Dallas who is clearly in
a disabled position, and as she is going through intake,
which she should have not had to do while she
was in active labor, she's sitting in a wheelchair, definitely
in a disabled position.

Speaker 7 (01:17:53):
Can we row that clip.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
Right now?

Speaker 13 (01:18:05):
As at home, here's your.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Doctor laying is her doctor?

Speaker 9 (01:18:15):
Are your patients like this?

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
Are just the black ones?

Speaker 7 (01:18:20):
Is the tenth? I bet you y'all listen next time.

Speaker 6 (01:18:31):
When you found out you was delivering at this hospital,
your ass should have changed doctors.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
I'm believable.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
It's not. It's not, it's not even so, you know,
I think my story is kind of well known. You know,
Ellen almost died during childbirth, so I don't even want
to go down that path. In fact, my number one
political issue is African American female mortality because that happens
more than people know, of course, and the reason being
is because of our implicit bias we have in our
healthcare delivery system, and people like, what does that mean?

(01:19:03):
If any person ask you, does racism still exists the
number one example as it exists when black women are
giving childbirth, because it crosses over socioeconomic levels. It doesn't
matter if you're on Medicaid, it doesn't matter if you
are Serena Williams or Ellen Sellars. It can affect you equally, right,
And it's because in their studies that people inherently believe

(01:19:24):
that black women have a higher pain tolerance or that
they're more likely to fake the pain that they're going through.
But Andrew, this is the point that I wanted to
make by laying that out. This is why black men
have a very very very important role in a woman's
pregnancy and childbirth because many times, many times, in that room,

(01:19:50):
you have to be your partners number one advocate, because
oftentimes those individuals cannot speak up for themselves because they're
going going through that process. And unless you were there
yelling and screaming, kicking and shouting, cursing, threatening lawsuits, call
the police, doing everything necessary to protect the life of

(01:20:12):
the woman you love and the little people you ain't
even met yet, then sometimes, and too often, more often
than not, those black women will die.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
And Bacari that I was listening to a NPR story
the other day, really right down these lines. One of
the most effective ways of getting medical staff's attention during
your partner's pregnancy and delivery is for a husband to
be the advocate. With one exception husbands of color.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
That's because they want to take.

Speaker 5 (01:20:43):
Chimes, who oftentimes call security. Security is then escorting the
husband every single place he goes. The message goes out
through the hospital staff that this is a problem man,
and I mean in the story, I was listening to
this immigrant not immigrant. I'm sorry he was of Latino

(01:21:06):
dissent father was arrested while his wife gave birth, complained
about the pain that she was experiencing, and nearly died, right,
I said during your comments, Bacary, thanks Charles Johnson, who
is the husband to Kira, and they have an organization,

(01:21:31):
he has a foundation.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
What is it for care for life?

Speaker 5 (01:21:36):
I believe it is I need to look at I
need to four care of for moms and shows. He's
been a guest on our show. But Charles Johnson an
incredible advocate for just the most unspeakable tragedy. His wife
bled internally after a c section for ten straight hours. Right, people,
she said something is not right, something's not right with me,

(01:22:01):
and dismissed again her pain not perceived as real pain
being manufactured of some sort. And then a life cuts short,
a child who won't have his mom, a husband who
has lost his wife, all of it preventable.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
So, I couldn't agree with you more that that we
husbands have to be there, but we have to systematically
demand better. There is no reason for black mortality rates
to be at the level that they are, and for
us to still be scrutinizing individual cases when we know
that that is only the case because of systematic racists,

(01:22:44):
not just policies, but practices and in practice, and hospitals
in healthcare systems all throughout the country everywhere, and lots
have to change.

Speaker 6 (01:22:54):
I think the important thing here is I know we
have to wrap is that we don't keep pitying different
groups against each other. Pregnant women, black, white, Asian, whatever,
deserve to have access that is easy, deserve to have
a life that isn't making their pregnancies harder. And I
think that they can do that without taking away from

(01:23:17):
parking spaces that already exist. If they can make space
for electric cars, certainly they can make space for pregnant
women and so. But I do not think that it
is smart for us to pit these groups against each other.
And we should focus really hard on making sure that
it is easy to bear children and to be pregnant
in this country, and we should also make sure we're
protecting accessibility for other people.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
We are not pitting them against each other. It's these
right wing extremists, And to your point, if they really
gave a shit about pregnant women like you just gave
a testimony. Angela just talked about the work that I'm
Vice President Harris did on this, Congressman Lauren Underwoock, Illinois
did on this. If they really cared about people bringing
life into this world, they would put their resources there,

(01:24:00):
not into some BS legislation taking away. And so that
sets up a war between two communities who both, like
Angela made the point, deserve to have accessible parking spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Sorry, but go ahead.

Speaker 9 (01:24:13):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
I was just saying, thank you for introducing the subject,
and I like, I like this show. I mean, I
know I add a great deal of value. But the
way that you three, the way that you three are
able to take that topic and be able to I mean,
we extrapolated that with such death depth. I just I
mean I oftentimes when we talk with our friends, we
don't ever just say thank you for the conversation and
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
For adding to it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
That clip that we played with the pregnant woman, it's
hard to watch, but I'm happy that we were playing
it in full because hearing her screen, her guttural cries
and the way that that woman was talking, the way
the white nurse was talking to her, very dismissive, and

(01:24:58):
then see her she wasn't even listening.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
I did see a post afterwards because she got fired,
and the nurse did acknowledge, and she said that there
are a lot of good nurses out there. Don't let
her behavior. She she had a I don't know what
to call it.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
It isn't just about her, it is a at the
rate as you know, it's systemic.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
All right, Well, it's time for cause and action. So
let's get to that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Who cares about truth? When the last morning's seen it?

Speaker 9 (01:25:36):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Is that time in the show for calls to action?

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
And I'm going to kick us off because I let
Macari kick us off in the beginning, and so my
call to action, uh, this week is another selfish ask
of all of you. I want to know what y'all
are reading this holiday season. Every year in my book club,
we read a classic. So we're reading The Great Gatsby.
So drop me in comment and let me know y'all

(01:26:00):
are reading you and Trump. Yeah exactly. But I'm trying
to get back up to a book a week. And
I'm not like some of these people who are like
I don't read fiction.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I love fiction. So if y'all got good fiction, good
non fiction, whatever, let me know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
So my CTA is also very personal. I have been
dealing with my mother, who is currently in the hospital,
and one of the things that I'm understanding and being
baptized by fire by, is.

Speaker 7 (01:26:29):
How ill prepared.

Speaker 6 (01:26:31):
I feel like my generation is to deal with aging parents,
and so what I really want to do is a
joint project with our Native Lampod community where we can
put together a shared memo of all the resources that
we need, making sure that our parents have wills and

(01:26:51):
trusts and that they're updated, making sure that our parents
have you know, power of attorney done. I had to
call Medicare earlier for something and he was like, I
can't tell you about that. You're not authorized, right, Like
all of these things that are small and they don't
take a lot of time, but when you have to
deal with the convergence of all of them at the
same time, it's overwhelming. So I want to hear from

(01:27:12):
you all your stories, what you all have done to
succeed in this space, how you supported your parents.

Speaker 7 (01:27:18):
Their adults.

Speaker 6 (01:27:19):
They make their own decisions, but they need a little
more support, and they do not like being treated like
your grown kids. So if you got tips for that,
I'm a bossy child too, help assist out. I definitely
want to get this right and want my mom to
feel loved and supported and held with the dignity of
a queen, which she deserves. So I know y'all have
probably been through that with your own parents. Andrew, I

(01:27:40):
know you're going through that with your mom too right now.
So whatever tips y'all have, please send them to meet
and Andrew. I'll make sure he reads them too.

Speaker 5 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I appreciate that ask going on our behalf and
I got to just give a shout out to my
sister the I'm glad my mama didn't stop at six children.
I'm glad she went for seven. The only girl of
the bunch, My baby sister, attorney counselor Monique Gillham, who
has been there every step of the way like I had,
was at a funeral this weekend and I just want

(01:28:08):
to speak about this issue of aging parents and our
lack of preparation for it. I want to lift in
prayer my good friend brother Alvin Benton, on the passing
of his mother. Gwendolyn Benton, an educator, was a personal
assistant I think too. Ceo, Uh, maybe it was. Coca

(01:28:29):
Colage was a principal elementary school principal, gave her life
and service to people. And one of the things that
Alvin said during the funeral as he was given reflections
on his mom and her her impact on his life,
he's a mama's boy, he says, I can confirm he's yeah,
he I do. But but in truth, Alvin said during

(01:28:53):
his reflections, to say a prayer for and check up
on your strong friends. And I think about you, all
the folks who I get to share this platform with,
and when I think about strong friends, the ones who
are always in the gap for other people. But it
really resonated with me, and maybe I was in need,
maybe myself. I don't know strong people really ever do

(01:29:16):
the asking, But it made me think about the people
in our lives who are always carrying, who are always doing,
who are always looking out. So I just want to
echo Alvin's Alvin's directive to check on your strong friends,
the ones who always checking on us and always doing,

(01:29:38):
and always going check in on them and just see
that they're okay. Like he said, they need a little sunshine,
a little rain drops to flourish as well. So shout
out to to Gwendolen Benton life. She lived two weeks
prior to my cousin Michael Sam's who passes well. Men, brothers,

(01:30:03):
check up on your health, but check in on your
on your strong friends. What you gotta be.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
Yeah, No, you're bridging a gap because you got to
raise your parents and you gotta raise your kids. And
so one of the things that I wanted to do
was just talk about whether or not it's Epstein that
we were talking about earlier, some of the things that
I've been kind of going through in my work day.
Be very mindful of your children. Be very mindful of

(01:30:30):
the things that your children are doing and that they're into.
My call to action is I have a young lady
who I represent, who her child was playing Fortnite and
she heard some things that were untoward being said on Fortnite,
and so she began to ask her daughter if anything
like that had ever happened to her. She's under the

(01:30:52):
age of ten, and she began to tell her mother
how she was being sexually abused at after school program.
And so I just want as to while we're talking
about the things we need to do for the adults
in our lives and our parents to also make sure
that we're raising that level of awareness with the young
people that are around us, because this world is a

(01:31:13):
hell of fied place outside, and so just make sure
that we're being mindful on both sides.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
All right, we need to pick me up. Call tough stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Yeah, no, I got my I gotta pick me up.
What I'm gonna do for Tiffany Cross's book club is
one of my co workers, Scott Jennings. His new book
just came out in time for Christmas, and I'm gonna
send it over to Tiffany.

Speaker 7 (01:31:42):
Did somebody pick up against on the internet. Nobody want to.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Hear this, So I'm gonna get Cross. I'm gonna get
tif Cross Scott Jennings' new book for her book club,
and y'all read it.

Speaker 7 (01:32:01):
Thank you the car I picked up what he puts.

Speaker 5 (01:32:05):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
No, but seriously, I actually will take that book for that.
I go away every winter with some friends of mine
in my book club, and sometimes we rent the house
and we run out of firewood and we're always like, oh,
we need paper to burn.

Speaker 9 (01:32:22):
That is.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
Good Scott, Scott.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
If they buy it, if they buy it, they buy it, Scott,
it don't matter what they buying.

Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
That they.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Sorry to this band anyway, She's not anyway. Thank you
guys for an amazing show. We'll be back next week.
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And don't forget about Latasha Brown's we ain't buying it
the movement. You're not supposed to do any shopping after
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ain't buying what you're wearing Black.

Speaker 7 (01:32:58):
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