On Thin ICE ft. LA Mayor Bass

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode eighty three of Native Lampod,
where we give you our breakdown of all things politics
and culture. We are your hosts. I'm Angela Raie. This
is Andrew Gillham, and sadly, our dear sister Tiffany Cross
is out. She got a bug.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
The bug got hurt Andrew, she got a bug, y'all.
Lifter and prayer and such and such.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yes, please do that. Well, while we're lifting things up,
let's make sure we also lift up some facts. So, Andrew,
I was thinking, well, before we get into what we're
talking about, what are all the things we're talking about today?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I mean, I think this is everything we're talking about today,
is the chaos being precipitated by the President of the
United States in one of the fifty states of this country,
and the frankly indescribable harm that he's deliberately causing. You know,
some weeks ago we had sort of borrowed this phrase

(01:04):
that cruelty is the point, and it just keeps resurfacing
in my mind every time I think about this administration,
what is doing, what it feigns to be doing, right,
what it tells people is doing, and then the actuality,
like what's really going down? I mean, and these people
for so much of what they undertake cruelty is the
point of it.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, yeah, well we are talking about that. We're talking
about these ice raids. We can't talk about what's happening
in LA. It's happening all over the country Tangry's point,
but we're talking about LA. This week we have Mayor
Karen Bass who will join us to talk about everything
that's actually happening in LA. Don't believe everything Fox News

(01:45):
tell you, or don't believe anything at all. And then
I also think it's important that we get into this
black migrant or these black migrant related issues. We've been
having this argument with our audience over and over again,
and we really think it's important that you all don't
just hear from us, but you also hear from the

(02:06):
Black Alliance for Just Immigration. And I want to make
sure that I said that right. Yes, look at go Ahead,
Black Lives for Just Immigration, and we have their executive
director joining us today. Nana Gamfi is the executive director
for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and I'm hoping

(02:28):
that Lolo or somebody can confirm that I pronounced her
last name correctly. Lolo for the win, thank you so much.
It's Nana Jumfi who will be joining us.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I don't know that the audience, I don't I don't
know this has been an argument with the audience written large.
I think that there are within our community a lot
of folks who are still sort of processing and dealing
with the outcome of the last election where the narrative
had really taken hold that Hispanic Latino communities did not

(03:00):
vote for Kamala Harris. And I think we've been trying
to unpack some of those results and that kind of thing.
And I think while we're doing so, there is some
scar tissue that has to be dealt with, has to
be recognized in some cases maybe has to be healed.
But I think by and large, you know, our listeners
are our hip to the fact that a lot of

(03:20):
times the black community has looked at and called upon
to not only be you know, in the in the
case of the Congress, the conscience of the Congress, or
in the case of greater society, the good that's often
looked to to sort of bring the moral code and
to to wear and carry that moral code for everyone,
regardless of who's in the who's in the cross hairs.

(03:41):
But when black people buy and large find themselves in
the cross hairs, we're looking to our left and our
rights and we all we can see. And I think
that's playing out in some in some fashion here, not
amongst everybody, but I do think on some fashion here.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yes. And one other thing that we really think is
important is this insurrection, this language versus protesters lingualgs. We'll
get into that, but before we get going too much,
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Speaker 3 (04:26):
Let's good.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
If there's an insurrection, I would certainly invoke it. We'll see,
but I can tell you last night was terrible. The
night before that was terrible. If we didn't get involved
right now, Los Angeles would be burning, just like it
was burning a number of months ago, with all the
houses that were lost. Los Angeles right now would be

(04:49):
on fire. And we have it in great shape. I'm
not playing around.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
Will you determine whether or not there is an insurrection.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Well, you take a look at what's happening. I mean
I could there were certain areas of that of Los
Angeles as that you could have called it an insurrection.

Speaker 6 (05:06):
It was terrible.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
But these are paid insurrection to These are paid troublemakers.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
They get money.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, so let's talk about paid insurrectionists. I don't know
if you saw this, but Andrew, there was a sign
up on like a telephone pole in LA where protesters
are being warned that there are right winging extremists going
into community to like recavoc well, just like they did
during the George Floyd protests, and they use that those

(05:36):
those agitators to create and stir up more mess. Those
are probably the same people that I don't know. We're
on the Capitol on Capitol grounds on January sixth. They've
been pardoned and given permission to continue this work insurrection
is a violent uprising against an authority or government. And

(05:57):
I think that when you loosely use the term carelessly
use the term irresponsibly used the term, that is part
of the problem, you know. So I want to talk
about briefly this idea of insurrection versus protest and how
this administration is honestly dangerously conflating the two. So I

(06:19):
want to know your thoughts. AG.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, I mean, for for real, it's a deliberate and
dangerous complation, certainly by the lawyers amongst the group who
ought to know better. I mean, I really do think
that Donald Trump perceives any affront to him, any attack
on his person, his name, meaning an insult or a
contradiction to something that he says. He really believes. I

(06:42):
think in his minds that he is the government and
the government is him. He thinks he's already living in
an autocracy where if you challenge the quote leader, you're
challenging the government. But he isn't the government. He is
not at all the government. He happens to be the
head of a branch, but he's not the government him

(07:02):
and of himself. But what I think, Angela is he's
setting the predicate case for the point at which he
chooses to invoke the insurrection powers, which go beyond just
deploying the Marines and deploying or federalizing the state's National Guard.

(07:22):
It then gives those entities, the Marines as well as
the federalized national Guard, the powers to basically take on
all police powers. It's it's saying two things. It's one
saying that the government that exists in this place where
the insurrection is taking place is not capable of dealing
with the insurrectionists, which, by the way, I just got

(07:45):
to say, I find it so it's not even funny.
It's just it's like the world is playing topsy turvy
with us. That this is a man who could not
bring himself to call the individuals who attempted to stand
in the way of an act of Congress, an actual
act of Congress, to carry out a function or responsibility
and counting to the electoral votes when he was in

(08:08):
the crosshairs. That wasn't an insurrection. But protests where people
are literally just trying to have their voices be heard,
petitioning their government, is all of a sudden an insurrection.
It doesn't it doesn't make sense, but I know what
he's doing. And I think we all have to be
hip to the game that what the President is attempting

(08:28):
to do is ease our ears for listening purposes to
the words insurrection, so that when he declares the insurrection
powers of the Constitution, that nobody is scared by that,
that nobody flinches by that, because we've heard the term
already planted and used by this president. But I pray
that we will resist the urge to believe this guy.

(08:52):
He's not telling the truth. All he's attempting to do
is a mass more power for his own use. Angela.
It's a real sick game that he's playing, and it's made,
in my opinion, all the more sick when you hear
Pam Bondi and other lawyers within the administration doubling down
on this nonsense. I would think they would know better,
But I have to tell you, Pam Bondi was Attorney

(09:14):
General of Florida. I've yet to see her brilliance on display,
so I can't even say that that, frankly, she knows
what she's talking about.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that here is the crux
of the issue, getting back to the Insurrection Act, because
I think that we sometimes can throw things around expecting
that people know what we're talking about. So the Insurrection
Act is a he's of legislation that was signed into

(09:44):
law in I don't know, eighteen oh seven is what
it says. So this was before slavery was over. This
federal law gives the president the power to deploy the
United States military and to federalize the National Guard in
response to an uprising right, and so the President keeps

(10:08):
threatening to utilize this Insurrection Act anytime somebody disagrees with them.
So there were are four thousand National guardsmen already deployed
and seven hundred Marines that were sent to la and
to respond to protests that were like within a two
block radius. And so what happens is for people who

(10:31):
are already upset, whose family members who have been disappeared,
whose friends have been harassed and intimidated and arrested by
people who aren't even showing their faces. Y'all don't know
if you've seen some of these images. We don't have
any proof that these are actually law enforcement officers. It
could be Joe Blow from the middle of Indiana, which,

(10:52):
if y'all didn't know, is the home of the foundation,
the founding place of the KKK. They could be from there, right,
So deploying troops, he's already actually utilizing and relying at
least what is allowed and called for in the Insurrection
Act of eighteen oh seven. And it is extreme. It
is very extreme, and it is a provocation for those

(11:14):
who are already experienced in the harm. So I think
that we have to consider what the outcome of this is.
If this is a provocation and it is an advancement
of I know that you're peacefully protesting, but which is
your constitutional right, But I'm going to go ahead and
call you an insurrectionis so that I have additional outsized

(11:36):
powers to intimidate you, to threaten you, to jab you,
to get you to react in an outsized way, so
that when you react, the consequence will be on the reaction,
not on the provocation.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Right. And Angela, just because I appreciate you pulling us
back to make more clear what we're talking about with
regard to these laws. Right now, the President in his
administration have not given clear yet directives to the National
Guard or the Navy seals that are on the ground.

(12:12):
Yet there's a reason why they're holding back by the way,
on giving clear written or otherwise expressed instruction, it's because
the governor, supported by Mayor Karen Bass, have basically said,
please pull back your federal federalizing of the National Guard,

(12:32):
and you're sending in of these troops because we have
the capacity to handle the issues as they exist on
the ground, as they present themselves without instruction. The National
Guard nor the Navy Seals are allowed to detain or
arrest individuals given the powers that they are acting on
right now. They're not acting on the insurrection powers of

(12:57):
of of the United States. They've been federal by the
president and they basically are occupying a show of force mission,
which is they are there in person, but what they're
allowed to do is very constricted under the laws as
they exist right now. If the President moves this thing

(13:19):
another step further, as you called the provocation, we of
course i'd love to hear obviously the mayor's opinion on this,
but I think it's pretty fair to say that it's
the actions that the president is taking that is making
the situation on the ground more dire. So he's not
acting to alleviate pressure, he's not acting to bring down

(13:40):
the pressure as it exists on the ground. His actions
are intentioned to ratchet up the pressure, ratchet up the heat,
to ratchet up of the conflict. The governor is saying that,
the mayor is saying that, and they'll say, we have
the capacity to handle the issues that are currently on
the ground. As the reason why I think it's important

(14:01):
for other mayors and other governors other states to really
be on guard about this is because the president can
attempt this kind of a takeover anywhere in the United
States of America. Today it's California, it's Los Angeles. Today
it's the state of California. But tomorrow, should protests pop
up in the state of Florida against what he's doing

(14:22):
and how he's going about doing it, he could assert
the same kind of excess of power that he's using
in California. None of us are absolved from this, and
I think that's something that the American people really have
to reckon with that. You may not like the state
of California. You may dislike what you consider to be

(14:44):
liberal policies of California, But do you like where you live?
Do you like the values that you all hold dear,
the Constitution that you believe you are abiding by and
if you do, how would you like it if the president,
because you disagreed with him, decided to fail federalize your
state's national Guard and send in federal troops American troops

(15:04):
who have for all intended purposes. And this is no
disrespect to the troops themselves because they are under orders,
but they have no business whatsoever patrolling American streets. And
this provocation could get out of control if it's not handled.
I think with greater levels of respect and deference to
the state leaders and the local leaders that have been

(15:25):
elected for purposes such as this.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
And I think that here's here's a really another good
point on this. Andrew David Huerta is an s c
i U is the s CiU California President and also
president of s c i U us w W. And
on Friday of last week, he went to he went

(15:54):
to protest, yes, the wrongful attention of all of these individuals.
They're also rounding up folks who are citizens by the way,
and have green cards, some of these folks, and so
he went to protest near the workplace where an ice

(16:15):
ray was being conducted. He was charged with a felony
for impeding the work of a federal officer, just for
standing in the way. He was tackled to the ground,
he was detained. When Congressman Maxine Waters went to check

(16:36):
on him, the door was slammed in her face. I
was worried, as somebody who's a former staffers, the way
that her hand was. I was so worried they were
going to slam her hand in the door. And I'm
bringing this up to say, if we work backwards now,
Andrew right, so La SCIU, President David Huerta, New Jersey.
So now we're cross coasts around these ice rates. New Jersey.

(16:57):
You have Rasbaraka, the mayor of New Work, New Jersey,
arrested on city land, not on the private land of
the facility they've been using to hold folks for ice
detention purposes. And you have Congresswoman Lamanica mc iver who
has been indicted on federal charges as well. If you

(17:18):
look at our positions of power and the folks who
would be best suited to challenge this administration without the
fear of retribution, they are now hitting all of those places.
So the one place that we haven't seen yet is
state legislators or county elected officials. We haven't seen additional

(17:42):
civil rights or folks yet, at least not that we
know of. Maybe that has happened, but it's not made
national news. So what they're doing are saying, if you
fight back against what we're doing, even though you know
it is a violation of the law, you know that
it is unconstitutional what we're doing, we are going to threaten, harass,

(18:02):
harm and silence you. So what does that do to
the lay person? Right? It makes you feel like you
don't have a voice. If the people you normally turn
to for guidance for talking points, for what social media
graphic to put up, for what to say, for what
to do, for where to organize are getting arrested, what
do you do?

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Yeah, yeah, right. You attack on the leadership is deliberate.
It's basically to say that you have no cover no
matter where you are or who you are. And by
the way, Angelau and I are not defending folks because
of what titles they hold, and we're talking about what
jurisdiction they have. Members of Congress and their oversight capacities

(18:43):
can go on any one of these grounds of where
these facilities are housed, and they can conduct inspections and
wellness checks. It is within the law, it exists within
their capacity as members of Congress. And in the instance
of the mayor of Newark, we were talking about a
facility that has no legal license to operate in his city,

(19:07):
no certificate of occupancy issued by the judicial, by the
municipal government who has jurisdiction. And beyond that, he wasn't
even across the line onto federalized property or anything else
to have to have undergone the kind of treatment where
he is. But your your, your, your, your point is correct,
which is this is the chilling effect. They mean to

(19:30):
say that I don't care who you are, you have
no quarters within this country. So long as Donald Trump
is president, we can get you wherever you are.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Okay, that's a really good point, Andrew. Let's stop here.
We're going to go to a break, and after the
break we are going to welcome Mayor Karen bass.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
He welcome home, y'all.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
I'm coming to you from the streets of Los Angeles.
This is area where La County, LA City, and a.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
Little bit of the city of Inglewood converge.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
And as you can probably see behind me on the streets,
what's going on not much.

Speaker 6 (20:19):
Looks like this is as usual, and from.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
What I understand, this is the condition in most of
the city. So what you're seeing on the news is
really limited to area downtown and the area in a
neighboring city of Paramount and a little bit of confident
from what I saw, which are not in the jurisdiction
of the City of Los Angeles and therefore not jurisdiction

(20:45):
of mayor Baths.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
So sorry traffic noise, but that's part of the story.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
So as you can see, it's.

Speaker 8 (20:55):
Nowhere near what it was like in nineteen ninety two,
the silver hair and it's there in President nineteen ninety
two in the streets, and this is not anywhere near
the kind of situation where we have the National.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
Guard out, in my opinion, So.

Speaker 8 (21:12):
I took that from what's real from the front line.
All right, welcome home, y'all, Thank you, I appreciate everything.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Into well. Today we are joined by I call her
Congresswoman Bass. All the time, she is not in Congress anymore.
She has a full other job that.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Is keeping elevated Angela. She's now, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
She's very very busy. Mayor Karen Bass, who is doing
the work of the Lord on the ground in LA.
And so we want you to come in and Miss
Bass if you could just tell us what is happening
in LA, what is right, what is wrong, so we
can collect, just correct all of the misinformation out there
and get into what you think our audience can do

(21:57):
to support y'all.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. First of all, what
is happening our raids from ice that is causing havoc
not just in the city of Los Angeles, but in
our surrounding region. And we don't know when, where, how
that this is going to take place, but it has
spread a blanket of fear and terror amongst the immigrant population,

(22:20):
which as you know, is a significant percentage of Los Angeles. Now,
having said that, at the end of some of the protests,
you have the stragglers who have nothing to do with
the protests who have been who have committed acts of
violence in the form of vandalism, breaking in the stores, robbing,
and so I initiated a curfew yesterday from eight pm

(22:44):
to six am that's going to go on every day
until we are past this. The problem is that we
don't know when we're going to be past it, because
all we have are rumors from Washington.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
D C.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
We don't have any concrete information. There isn't a letter
I have that says that we're going to conduct raids
in your city for the next thirty days, but that
is the rumor. Now everything has been fined. Our local
police departments the Los Angeles as well as regionally, have
been able to handle things. You know that the White

(23:18):
House intervene, took power, seized power from the governor, and
federalized the National Guard, brought them here with big fanfare.
He even claimed that they had successfully eliminated the violence
Saturday night, when the troops didn't even arrive until Sunday afternoon.
But we know this. This is kind of a familiar playbook.

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Now he is talking about sending in the Marines. The
National Guard that is here is just guarding one building,
the Federal Building. There is nothing else for them to do.
Now he's going to bring in Marines at the cost
of one hundred and thirty million dollars to taxpayers. That
is money that we could use to prepare for the
World Cup, which will be here in one year. So

(24:02):
this is the situation that we are facing. We have
a very well established and respected immigrant rights institutions and movements.
They have conducted protests. Those protests have been peaceful. It
is what has happened afterwards that has created a narrative
of this is citywide. This is really relegated to about

(24:24):
five blocks in downtown Los Angeles. It isn't even all
of downtown.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Mayor. As a former mayor myself in Tallahassee, Florida, I
observed two weeks ago where ICE agents came in and
began arresting folks on work sites, detaining people on work sites,
and it drove really the entirety of our community, not crazy,
but mad with anger that the place where we call home,

(24:54):
a community that reflects the values of the folks who
live here, had been all of a sudden corrupted, bastardized,
made to look like we replaced that we were not.
And I got to believe, with the way in which
this president seems to have it on for the state
of California and maybe likewise for Los Angeles, that that

(25:17):
everything that he's doing, every step that he's taken as well,
is intentioned around turning up this this this uh, this
this atmosphere of chaos and lawlessness, when in fact, if
I am to perceive what I'm seeing on television properly.
It seems like the only agents of chaos are the
ones that he's introducing. Are we getting something wrong about that?

(25:40):
As as viewers who are you know, removed and remote
from California but are watching these scenes play out. For instance,
you tell us that you're talking about four or five
blocks of downtown, not even the the the the the
entirety of it. You're you're talking about thousands of troops
that are now federalized uh uh, Navy seal you know,

(26:00):
a term that all of us know well as fierce fighters,
but abroad, not here in American cities. I just wonder
what is this supposed to look like when raids come down?
And then basically, how do we jux suppose that against
what we're seeing?

Speaker 6 (26:15):
Well, you know, I have been saying that I feel
like we're in a laboratory in la We are a
part of a great experiment. If they can do this
to the nation's second largest city, then in green lights
everywhere around the country, and of course we know the
focus will just be on democratic cities. So you have
soldiers who I hear are here in the vicinity. They're

(26:37):
not in the city of Los Angeles. I've heard them
move around a little bit. I have no idea what
they are going to do here because there isn't anything
to do, and again the expense and what could be used.
But remember when the administration started, the deportations were going
to be a hardened criminals, violent people, drug dealers, gang members.

(27:00):
I'm hard pressed to say a street vendor selling popsicles
or fruit is a threat to anybody. Are a customer
at a car wash, a father who's there with his
son gets snatched and now his son is alone to
figure out how to deal with the car and the family.
Or seeing people chased across the parking lots at home

(27:21):
depot or outside of LA chased across the fear fields
in agricultural areas, I don't know how that relates to
the vision that was created before. I think it's all
about the numbers now, and I think they're using us
as a test case. I think the nation is responding
where you saw. You know, protests take place in different cities,

(27:42):
But this is an egregious overreach. This is a solution
in search of a problem. Thursday, last Thursday, everything was
peaceful in Los Angeles. Nothing was going on Friday when
the raids happened. That's when you had a problem in LA.
So this was a problem that was forced on us.

(28:03):
We didn't request it, and it has resulted in some
very negative consequences. Most importantly is to the families, the parents,
the kids who are separated to our local economy. Angela
knows that LA can't function. There are sectors of LA
that cannot function without immigrant labor. And the stories that

(28:25):
you hear my grandson's elementary school, Ice agents showed up
outside of the school and they what people believe is
they might have thought it was graduation, because I will
tell you graduations were a point of fear for people
around the city because that's a primo place to pick
up a people. You know, our parents who are dropping

(28:47):
off their kids or picking up their kids. You think
about the impact that this is going to have on
our economy, the way immigrant labor is what sustains the
city and makes the city great.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
You know, Ms mass I want to I want to
go to this clip of the Attorney General Pam Bondi
because I think what she is saying and what she's
provoking without fact is dangerous. But I want you to
be able to respond to this. Let's row that clip.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
Law enforcement. They need to have their hands untied where
they can do their jobs. Right now, in California, what
we're doing is working by bringing in the National Guard,
by bringing in the Marines right now to back them up,
to protect our federal buildings, to protect the highways, to
protect the citizens. So right now in California, we're at

(29:34):
a good point. We're not scared to go further. We're
not frightened to do something else if we need to.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
They're not doing anything.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
They are protecting one federal building and to back us up.
We didn't ask for backup. These California Highway patrol protected
the freeways last night. What the worry is there is
people going and blocking the freeways.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
None of them protest.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
We were yes, we were able to handle it all.
So this is just complete fiction and that's what's scary.
That's scary suspiction. Then what more is coming? But I
do have to center this always in the raids. What
is going to heal our city is to stop the raids.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
It's an alternative reality, and I don't know how people
who otherwise live in the real reality make steps to
keep their community safe. When this kind of ratcheting up come.
I mean, you hear it in her voice and her
disposition and what they're trying to deliver the American people,
this this notice of ratcheting up. And what I think

(30:44):
I hear you saying, Mayor, is the ratcheting up is
what's putting all of your citizens and.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Harms way, ratcheting up something that didn't need to take
place to begin with. You want to talk about something
that makes people angry. That makes people angry when you
have relatives that we don't know where they are. They've
had no access to legal counsel, their families, members have
not been in contact with them. They don't know. Maybe

(31:11):
they've been sent off to Seacott, that horrendous prison in
El Salvador. Maybe they're Venezuela. Who knows, because they're sending
people to countries that they're not even from.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
May I know your time is limited in Angela. I
will obviously yield to you for the last question, but
I am curious what advice do you have for the
rest of us spread out across the country. Who are
you know, in some cases pretty terrified about what we're
seeing and what we perceive could happen to us, Well,
how do we take how do we get information right now?

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Well, I think that what exists here, I don't know,
you know if it exists other places, But what exists
here is a rapid response network, so basically, and the
community knows this community wide, so that if there's any
sightings of ICE, then they go to those locations. Just
to make sure that people know their rights, not to

(32:03):
interfere with federal officers, because obviously that would be a felony,
but to make sure that the people know their rights,
know that they should have access to a lawyer, know
that they don't have to cooperate. Those are basic rights
that exist in our country. So I think that's one thing.
And you know, we are fortunate, as I mentioned before,

(32:26):
to have a well well well established immigrant rights and
infrastructure people who've been here for four decades, and so
that's the main thing. And then I think always people
need to know history, the historical context for this. I
was on a zoom earlier and they were saying, well,
why aren't you convinced that the courts will be the backstop. No, remember,

(32:49):
in his first administration he shifted the courts.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
You know.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
So what we don't tend to do is no history
or remember history. Look at the Joe McCarry the era,
you know, I mean, there are historical references to this.
Look at you know what the Insurrection Act is. Make
sure that people understand what they're seeing. And I believe
they're testing the limits of this. You heard Stephen Miller

(33:15):
who repeatedly evokes the term insurrection insurrection. No insurrection happening.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Here, Yeah, but where there was an insurrection is bad
as I know. So when you think about what you witnessed,
what you experienced, the trauma of all of that, the
people who actually were harmed, the officers that they swear
to always protect and look out for. Back to blue

(33:42):
is what they say. When those things are actually happening.
Those folks are now pardoned and they're trying to erase
that from history. But the people who are protesting peacefully
because they have loved ones who are being impacted by
these completely uncalled for, gone to far ice raids. I
want to know what you tell the people the difference

(34:03):
between the power of protests and being labeled wrongfully as
an insurrection is. And then in the community. This is
a two parter that's kind of set for so I'll
try to remember the second part if you forget it.
In our community, black folks, miss bads, like, we need
to get through to our people so there's not this
divide around how to stand up for the right thing

(34:23):
to do even if you're if there's no immigrant on
your block or in your house or in your kids' school, Like,
what is the right thing to do? Isn't this the
right time to be coalition building?

Speaker 6 (34:32):
One hundred percent? It's the right time for our city
to come together. But you know, I think that we're
fortunate there because I think everybody sees what's going on here.
So I'm not at this point worried about a divide.
But I'm also not naive either, which means sometimes even
when there isn't a divide, it can be created. And
I think that that's going to be really important because

(34:54):
this is not just a brown issue. There are tens
of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of black immigrants
here from the Caribbean, from African countries, also from Central America.
I mean, I think a lot of times people don't
know where beliefs is, belies is. They predominantly blacked right.
It is in Central America, and so when we're talking

(35:16):
about Latinos, you know they're more black Brazilians than there
are black Americans. So you know, we need to understand
that this is our struggle as well. Thank you for
the opportunity of speaking with you. I'd love to come
back on again. It's wonderful to see both of you,
even if it's just in a box.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
A box.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Tiffany would be here, miss basket and she got food poisoning.
Oh well, it.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
Was nice to see her on the Zoos the other day,
so please give her my regards again.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
We're wishing you well, Mayor Keith, standing tall and strong
as you have already, you're exhibiting what it truly means
to be a leader.

Speaker 7 (35:51):
I love you.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
I love you back.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh Man. Thanks again to Mayor care Bass for joining
us and correcting the record of everything that we're hearing
out there. After this break, we will be joined by
the Black Alliance for Just Immigration executive director. Her name
is Nana Jumpy. Okay, so I feel like we should

(36:27):
just keep this thing going and bring in Nana on
the Black Alliance for Just Immigration. I think what we
have to understand we could actually start where we just
ended with ms Bass around this idea of coalition and
what it means again. Nana Jumpy is the executive director

(36:49):
for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration, and we are
thrilled to have her join us to talk about ice raids,
what has happened in the almost a little over for
hundred days of this administration, and its impact on Black migrants.
They have a report out that we'll talk to her
about in just a moment. Oh, she's joining us now,

(37:11):
Nada hown you hear us and see how are you
really good? Did you? Were you able to hear the
interview with ms Bass?

Speaker 7 (37:20):
You know, I jumped on and so I can hear
that absolutely, So.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Can you help us because let's actually Andrew. If we can't,
let's go to some of these comments we get in
our thread about immigration. Do we pull those screenshots, Dereck
or Nick? Okay, So while you're pulling those, we're just
gonna get started. So now to talk about the need
for the Black Alliance for Just Immigration. This is not
something that we hear about often. There aren't a whole

(37:47):
ton of black organizations in the immigration space talk about
the need for that.

Speaker 9 (37:54):
So you know, clearly it hasn't been more critical than
right now. But the Black Alliance for Just Immigration was
started by a black diasporing crew, started by an African
American who Gerald Nonoir, who was the first executive director
for at least a decade, folks from South Africa, from
the Caribbean sitting down and understanding that black immigrants were

(38:18):
in a strange place where we're invisibilized in the immigration conversation.
If you say immigrant, people don't think of black people, right,
But we're also hyper visibilized if you look at who's targeted,
how we're targeted. As we see even more clearly in
this first hundred days up until now of this regime,

(38:38):
we see that black people, black immigrants are targeted and
it also ends up bringing in African Americans as well.
And so as we look at what's happening with the
immigration enforcement, we know that this is the tip of
the spear for what they're trying to do on the
police state level. They would love for this really to

(39:01):
be the National Guard versus black folks. I think Minneapolis,
think Ferguson, and if they can move it that way,
they will, But they start with immigrants because they know
about all the divides.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Andrew Ifel, no, I just I'm so glad we went there.
I didn't know we go there so early. But the
imagery of black communities, black cities being descended upon Angela.
You talked a little bit earlier about one of the
characters in the Housewives.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Show where Portio Porsiae Williams X has been Simon was
deported get back to Nigeria.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
That's right. So most folks who follow that show, you know,
a lot of Black Americans who follow that show will
recognize him, obviously recognize her. And even that feels a
little bit abstract from us. But when you take it
to its next logical conclusion, that the the scenes that
that Trump and his folks would love to see playing

(40:04):
out is is the big whip flash that they have
to to the rising up of of of our movement,
particularly as a response to the to to to what
occurred in Minneapolis during the quote unquote great awakening that
a lot of us thought was taking place. But I
almost hear every time when they discuss protests, the Ferguson

(40:26):
protests being sort of at the epicenter of what it
is that they that they that they reject and would
like not to see happen again. They weren't talking about
brown folks them, They're talking about us. They they want
to they want to see our voices silence. And I
just wonder, how do we break through to make clear
that we're part of the We're part of the target here, y'all.

(40:49):
Our community is in part the.

Speaker 9 (40:51):
Target, absolutely, And I think there's two things, two ways
to do that. Number One, we are not separate in
terms of black immigrants and African Americans. Right, if you
look into the world, even of culture, we all out
here shaking it to Bernard Boy and all these folks, right,
we are looking at folks like it's a Ray who

(41:11):
has a parent who's from Senegal who was an immigrant.
We're looking at people who are in our athletic world
right across all the different sports, across the genders of
sports that we have. We're looking at people who are neighbors,
who are co workers, so people are married to who
people are dating. This you know, twenty percent of black
people in this country are either immigrants or the child

(41:34):
of immigrants. This is not a small crew like in
the corner somewhere. We are together doing things together. And
so even if they decided to, yeah, think about black cities.
If they decided today that they were going to go ray,
that Ice was going to go into black communities to
search for black migrants. Man, that Angela, you could be

(41:54):
from somewhere else, right, Andrew, you could be from somewhere else.

Speaker 7 (41:57):
Like, there's nothing to say. They're not stopping in as people.

Speaker 9 (42:00):
They're grabbing up brown folks and black folks now without
asking citizenship questions.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Right.

Speaker 9 (42:06):
They had people in the basement in LA and the
Federal building who were citizens who they grabbed up when
they were at the immigration court with their people who
were not citizens. Once they realized, oh, these people are citizens,
they didn't let them go. They said, oh, you're not citizens,
so we can't put you in detention prison, so we'll
put you in a basement and keep you there overnight.

(42:27):
You think that can't happen to us. When they talk
about sending homegrowns to El Salvador and Jibouti, who are
they talking about. I promise you they're not talking about
Rittenhouse because they let him walk around here and do shows.
They're talking about us, and we got to declaimed about that.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
That's right. That's right, and I think on this point,
you know, one of the things that I really appreciate.
I did a podcast the other day with Jeffrey Wallace,
who was one of our California leeds not on, and
he was saying that one of the things that he
got from you actually was this conversation around not talking

(43:05):
about migrants through the lens of how it harmed the
economy through their labor, but through their humanity. And I
think I was like, Wow, I feel so much guilt
hearing that because I've been using it that way, because
I thought for the people who didn't have any empathy
or compassion around it, if it hit them in the pocket,

(43:25):
maybe I could get them there. But I'm like, dang,
we do kind of sound like we talk about slavery
when we say it that way.

Speaker 9 (43:30):
Sure we do, absolutely, And this is actually the point
that I make with the larger immigrant rights movement, which
as you know, often shies away from the racial justice
conversation and certainly the anti blackness conversation, that there is
no one who's contributed more an economics labor than African Americans.

Speaker 7 (43:53):
Hence, down four.

Speaker 9 (43:54):
Hundred years, no one has contributed more and in that
four hundred years people were still being the described as
chatnel or at best three fits of a person. So
your humanity to racist, your humanity to the foundational core
of this country is absolutely not based upon your economic labor.

(44:14):
You'll be essential during the pandemic. As soon as that
pandemic is over, they decide they ain't gonna raise your wages.
They don't care if you have housing, too bad for you.
On health care you're disabled, too bad for you, right,
because the real truth is that they don't value our humanity,
and so it's really important that we place that first. Yes,

(44:35):
obviously we contribute, all of us are contributing out here, right.
And as I tell folks, my parents wouldn't have come
here had it not been shiny enough right to come
over here, which is the result of what African Americans did,
the debt unpayable, okay, unpayable in terms of what immigrants
owe to African Americans in this country. And also we

(44:58):
need to understand that the original quote unquote illegal alien,
if you want to use that term, which we try
not to use, is the African dragged here and chained.
That's the original, and it's.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Well, yeah original.

Speaker 9 (45:16):
They were the original, but not in their and their eyes.
They always belonged to here and their eyes, we are
the people that have always been the ones that don't belong.
And all the things that they're doing, whether it be
about DEI, whether it be about where they're trying to cut,
these attacks that they're putting on black folks, it's because

(45:37):
in their heart of hearts, as Malcolm X said, they
feel you're not an American. If you were an American,
they wouldn't have to do all these extra pieces. And
so that's another thing that we have to keep into
consideration that you know, as a captive people, there's still
a fight to be treated and seen as humans who

(45:59):
belong in this place. And so if it's hard for
African Americans, immigrants should not think we're gonna leap over,
you know, leap frog into the land of white milk
and honey. That's not what's gonna happen. We're not going
any further than our African American siblings, which is why
this fight together is so critical.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Non can you help, because I think you're hitting on
what sits at a lot of the disarmony when it
comes to Black Americans and how we right now feel
about frankly, Latino immigrants to the country as a result
of this last election, where many of us heard and were,

(46:38):
you know, over and undated with Latino men choosing Trump,
that you know, Latino women or Latino families harboring really
anti black sentiments expressing them out loud and clips that
were collected on social media or even through people's own

(46:59):
individual life experiences based off of where they lived Miami,
in some places South Florida and other places on the
West and Northeast coast. Those feelings that a lot of
black folks have of being mistreated and rejected and even
leap frogs in some ways aren't made up. For a

(47:19):
lot of folks. It's real, it's lived, it's it's real
experiential in their lives. What what are folks missing as
a part of that narrative? How do we how do
we get folks to get beyond some of those instances
to maybe have a different and maybe greater larger appreciation
for where the majority of Latinos may be, not the

(47:40):
ones that Trump and the media decide to hand select
out as being the representatives of those the majority representatives
of those communities, but the feelings are not made up.
They're hard come by, and when you have to deal
with it, is not enough to just say they share
our experience because we're close in color, and if it
can happen and then it can happen to us, we've
got We've got to give our people. I think a

(48:00):
little bit more of an audience with their sentiment, with
what they're feeling here, I think as a way of
sort of bringing us onto the same page. I'm not
sure how you reflect on.

Speaker 9 (48:10):
That there's a reason there's a Black Alliance for just immigration.
Can you imagine we're in the immigration world where people
talk about things without even considering how it impacts Black people,
whether they be migrant or African American, And even when
we bring it up sometimes they're like, oh, well, sucks
to be you, and they just keep moving forward with

(48:32):
the plans that they have, right, and so absolutely it's real.
We feel that as black immigrants, we feel that as
African Americans, we have issues within that diaspora there as well.
Some things that I ask people to reflect on. I think, firstly,
I think it's important for us to understand and to
think about the fact that around the world, people do

(48:54):
not actually get history lessons on what has happened in
this country with black people both and with African Americans.
People just don't know. They barely know about what's happening.
For example, in Brazil, I know you all are familiar
with what's happening there. Black folks in Brazil don't get
history lessons on Brazil, let alone going all the way

(49:14):
across to the United States. So when you come here,
you come here without that information.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
I mean Baji.

Speaker 9 (49:20):
We started this program in Ghana called so you want
to be in America. So we go down during ducky
December and we do various workshops to talk to people
about Yes, here are the avenues that come to the US.
But know how difficult it is because you're black. And
when you get to the US, you're going to be
this thing you've never been before. You're going to be
a black person. Okay, And this is what that means.

(49:44):
This is some of the history of what that means.
This is what it's going to mean to be a
good community member. You're not gonna come to the United
States and decide that you're going to listen to all
the stories you've been told or what you think you've
seen on TV, et cetera, and social media about who
African Americans are. We're gonna talk to you about the

(50:06):
real in terms of who African Americans are, the connection
between African Americans, Africans folks from the Caribbean that allowed
us to have these worldwide revolutions that we're still engaging
in right now. What people have come up from. Right
in terms of African Americans in the United States, because
you absolutely don't know that I'm from Ghana. There are

(50:28):
people in Ghana with those slave dungeons there that people
fly all over the world to go to, that have
never been there, don't know they exist, don't know what's
going on, are just learning about it maybe when they
go to college. And I'm old as dirt and twice
as funky. It's a lot I didn't learn about until
I went to college. Living in this country, born and
raised here, right, So I think that we need to

(50:49):
have that grace. But then we also need to have
the responsibility on the part of immigrants who come into
this country to know what's up with the house. You
don't just walk in people's house, open up their fridge,
start eating, you know, enjoying your life. That that's not
how it works. You're supposed to find out what's going on.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
What are the rules? Who I take my shoes off here?
You know?

Speaker 9 (51:07):
Who is nasty to people around here? Who do we avoid?
Who's the lovely ones, et cetera. What are the rules
in this place in order for me to live in
harmony with everyone in this house? We know how to
do that. That's part of our cultures. For a lot
of black and brown immigrant cultures, Asian immigrant cultures, we
got to do that. When it comes to African American community, period.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I want to turn to the rapport you all have
Kick us out, lock us up, keep us out. The
first one hundred days and overview of the Trump administration's
immigration policies and their impacts on black migrants. In this report,
and I know you talk about what's happening with TPS
Temporary protected status, the many ways in which they're locking

(51:48):
and so sending people to places they've never been by
the way, El Salvador is one, Guantanamo Bay is another one.
Talking about Guantanamo Bay, and then the entry pathways that
have been blocked. Since this report has been published, they've
now banned several African countries. From traveling here at all.
So can you talk about what you all have seen,
what y'all have heard from some of the people directly

(52:10):
impacted by some of these policies you addressing the report.

Speaker 7 (52:14):
So it has.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
Been really devastating for our community members. That doesn't mean
there's not resistance, It doesn't mean there's not organizing going on.
But to your point earlier, and we got to acknowledge
the pain. Now, if you're Haitian, you have been hit
every which way. But you know they have just focused
on Haiti the way they hate this first Black republic,

(52:39):
the way they hate it. So there were temporary protective
status for Haitians terminated, the Biden program that allowed for
humanitarian parole, in other words, people to be able to
come in and be vetted so that they weren't vetted
while they're in the burning house. Right, you vet before
you come and then if you're allowed to come in
after they check you out thoroughly and got you and

(53:02):
you were sponsored by someone that you were able to
be here. Cut that program terminated, literally went around everything
straight to the Supreme Court, and then Haiti is now
on the list of countries banned. Right, So you can't
come here, your status is gone. And they did that purposefully.
So when these raids occurred, they even though cases are

(53:23):
in court et cetera, they can say, oh, no, we
know that your status is terminated. They have all your information.
They can walk right up to your dora at any
time in the day or night and grab you. And
so we see that happening across the country, not just
with Haitians, but also with African countries that aren't talked
about as much because there's not the same kind of
relationship that Haiti has with the United States. But we

(53:46):
saw when he went after international students. One of the
first crew he went after with South Sudan because they
were taking people and deporting them to Sudan that weren't
even black people. They were deporting people from Maya, marking
people from other countries and the self student these were like,
wait a minute, what's going on here? You're now trying
to just use us as a dumping place for people

(54:07):
because you don't know what you're doing and you don't give,
you know, a care. So it has been really you know.
So they're the first students to all of a sudden
just not have status, which means you can't go to class.
People could not graduate, who had been in school for
four years, who are getting their masters, who are getting
their PhDs, could not complete their programs. People were told

(54:27):
they had to get out of student housing. We had
over one hundred Haitian students reach out to us. They
went to their work study and were told, hey, we
were told by the administration that you no longer have
status and we think you should self deport right. We
had people being arrested in the courtrooms, eight people in
Chicago when I was in Chicago this past Friday, eight

(54:48):
black migrants bam bam, bam, bam bam, just like that,
families holes in our community going into immigration court as
they were supposed to do. We see the expansion of
detention and out of line. One of the main detention
prisons outside of Los Angeles, we had almost closed it
down because that's what the law is that they're supposed

(55:08):
to be closed. It was down to two people. Now
over eight hundred people are in there. From two to
eight hundred in the time period that this regime has
been started. And then, of course we see the deportations
and this idea of deporting people anywhere and everywhere and
trying to make deals to do that and sparking ideas

(55:29):
in others. So my understanding and we're looking more into
it to see what is going on, is that in
Alabama there's a law or a bill that's being put
forward at the state legislature to make it so that
in Alabama the Department of Corrections can deport people.

Speaker 7 (55:45):
Convicted in prisons outside of the country.

Speaker 9 (55:48):
They're not calling it deportation, of course, but what else
is it If you're in Alabama and you're convicted and
suddenly you find yourself in Rwanda. You have been deported
into Rwanda? Right, and you think phone calls are hard,
Now get a load up, get away too. What it's
going to be like for our people? And so this
is what we see happening, keeping us out with these

(56:10):
travel bands, keeping us out by making it so difficult
for us when we apply, people apply multiple times. These
embassies of the US abroad are so beautiful in Africa
and the Caribbean because they're using the fees from their denials.
You don't get the money back to feed and you know,
make everything all lovely. There's a move now by African

(56:32):
and Caribbean countries to get that money back, but that's
not the case. We have our people who are being
locked up, and we really feel like the next phase
is for them to come to places like New York, Boston,
d C. Places where it's a little bit easier Chicago
to target, and to add to the Floridas and the
Georgia's and the Texas and you know, all of those

(56:53):
places in the South. And then in terms of you know,
us kicking us out, we see what's happening there in
the mass way, and so really important that we continue
to think about what's happening and understand that that's meant
to be expanded to us.

Speaker 6 (57:12):
All.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, we were gonna look at some of the comments
that we get. No, no, we get mad. I think
this is the one place we don't agree on much
on this show, but one place where we all agree
is like the vitrioll towards the immigrant community without any
regard for the fact. And we shouldn't have to say, well,
there are black immigrants, so you shouldn't be vitriolic in
your speech. It should be like y'all are out of

(57:33):
pocket because you're out of pocket. But I wanted to
pull some of the comments so Derek Nick, if y'all
can put a few of the comments up so we
can have Nana's response. I rarely hear any other group
tell each other to go die on a hill over
black people. My damn, you fight tooth and nail for immigration.
How did that work out?

Speaker 6 (57:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (57:55):
I mean, so, here's what's interesting. Firstly, I find that
that we are selectively understanding the lies of the right.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Yes, so we understand as black people, we are selectively.

Speaker 9 (58:11):
Buying into or not into the lies of the right.
So when the right is telling us right that we
don't have a history, that black people, African Americans haven't
really done anything, that they're low iq, that DEI really
stands for people who don't deserve it being in spaces,

(58:31):
that there's no need for us to have a museum,
that having a museum in itself is racist, and all
of the lies that it tells about black people and
African Americans are going to focus on in particular. We
understand that's a lie. But when they say they're kicking
your black job, we're like, oh my god, they're taking
our black job.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
Now.

Speaker 9 (58:53):
Again, I'm not disputing that there's you know, a blow
up in population when it comes to particularly you know,
Latino immigrants, and I want to distinguish because sometimes the
people that were yelling about and being immigrants are actually
not immigrants. They're like generations of people here which folks
don't recognize and recall. But even if you're looking at

(59:14):
immigrants themselves, you see more people because you have people
like me who are the children of immigrants, who are
also considered in the immigrant space. But we're Usians, right,
We're Americans. We're people that were born here, and so
that gives that impression as well. But what are the lies?
You know, I think about Crenshaw, and you're gonna really

(59:36):
understand this, Angela, think of a think about Crenshaw. Think
about black areas in LA. Now, imagine that there are
no black immigrants there, or no immigrants period. Let's imagine that,
or people that people perceive as immigrants, even if they've
been there forever. What businesses are left? Who's left? How
are we electing these black and brown folks into city council? Like,

(59:59):
how is that happening? Who is who's providing? You know,
we have this community, we have this dance classes, we
you know African dance class, We have culture, we have
these museums we have Again, it's not just economics, it's
just the humanity that is contributive that we have to acknowledge,
and we have had black people. We want to celebrate

(01:00:21):
Churley Chisholm, but not celebrate Churley Chisholm Caribbean parents. We
want to celebrate Audrey Lord and not celebrate Audrey Lord's
Caribbean parents. I just came back from a trip to
Grenada to the very land of Malcolm X's mama Louise
Little and the land they have there, and saw second
third cousins, you know, And so we can't we can't
talk about Kwama Terrae. We can't talk about Marcus Garvey.

(01:00:43):
We can't talk about so many people who have contributed,
have contributed in this country, absolutely right, we can't talk
about that, you know, right, people like in say, oh,
for the work she's done with New Georgia Project, amara Enya, doctor,
mari Enya, the work she's done for m for bl right,
I'll throw myself in there a little bit too, you
know what I'm saying. Like we can when we look

(01:01:04):
in Congress and we see people like ilhan Omar standing
up and speaking out Congressmen and the goose, like, come on, now,
we're not just sitting up talking about immigrant issues. We
are absolutely engaged in this fight as well. Could there
be more of us, absolutely, they could be more of
all of us. There could be more African Americans, more
black black immigrants, more and other types of Americans and immigrants. Absolutely,

(01:01:28):
But I think it's it's incorrect to say that people
are not fighting and have not been fighting as a
part of black liberation, when black panthers had to escape
this country, they went to Algeria, they went to Cuba,
they went to Tanzania, they went to Ghana.

Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
That is a part of our story, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
And also on the economic side, seem to always want
to put us against each other for the pitiliest piece
of the pie that exists on the whole table. It's like,
you don't know, y'all aren't in position to compete for everything.
Of course not, but there's a little piece of crumbs
that we let fall from the table. Every black brown
person are only in competition for the crumbs of the meal.

(01:02:09):
And I just wholeheartedly resent that our only place of
competition has to be in their leftovers. It's not true.
It's not a fact. They'd like to make it more
the truth, and like to make it more the fact.
But I just resent that they continue to put us
in the box to compete for what is the littlest

(01:02:29):
shred of anything that exists, and then have the nerve
to put us in competition with one another, with with
with one another for the bucket half empty, always.

Speaker 9 (01:02:40):
Always, And we got to look at the You know
how often we also see our saying folks admiring the
white billionaire.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
True, you know what I'm.

Speaker 9 (01:02:49):
Saying, and not thinking about how Yeah, they part of
your problem. This is why, this is why we have
the crumbs. They eating the whole cake and giving us
the crumbs, and yet we look at them and say.

Speaker 7 (01:02:59):
Wow, they got the whole cape. They the ones think
while that's why we're suffering.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I want to go to this other comment, and then
I know we have to let you go. Nan No,
but this is good. This is part. You argue this
point way better than we did, So this is excellent.
We are so thrilled to have an actual expert on here,
not just our feelings and thoughts. And Andrew this comment, this
is where I'm reading out loud for the folks who
listen to our show and no watch. I am all
for solidarity, but not at the expense of ourselves. We

(01:03:30):
show up all the time, even when we know they
won't show up for us. I'm not going to be silent.
I'm gonna speak truth to power. I'm going to find
ways to survive and sustain my community and any Brown
folks who want to show up and support that we cool.
As for marching and being on the front lines, I
think I'm good on that. That's another comment, Nana, what
do you think about this one?

Speaker 9 (01:03:52):
So you know, there's the piece I think of when
I was a little girl and I would always try
to be the person that'stood up for people, and then
you know, sometimes those people were reciprocate.

Speaker 7 (01:04:04):
Sometimes they wouldn't, and I would go to my.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
Mother and complain and she would, you know, she started
off saying, you know, oh, my's poor datta. You know
you think everything should be fair, You will suffer every
day of your life. Okay, that was it nice, But
she proceeded to explain that we do things because we
believe in humanity and we are humane. Black people across

(01:04:28):
the world are the standard for humanity and what is
humane and have stood up across the world for that.
And so I know people feel like they want to
tap out. There are people talking about they're tapping out
on black issues. They're just tapping out, period.

Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
That's it. They're done.

Speaker 9 (01:04:48):
And I understand that sentiment because people feel tired. This
is a long fight, and you know, people want to
be able to see the benefits of that fight in
their lifetime, and so it feels very terrible for them.
But I will say this that when we stand up
for humanity, we stand up for ourselves. That our Mama
Nonifiing lou Hamer teaching us that no one is free

(01:05:11):
until everybody is free is absolutely right, and that that
has been said in multiple languages across the Black world
with respect to multiple fights. This is what we know
in our DNA. We are the parents of this planet.
And the reality is that wherever we are, whether it's
black people in the United States, are the standard of

(01:05:32):
what it is to be humane and to stand up
for folks. Black people in Brazil do the same, Black
people on the continent do the same. It doesn't mean
that we don't have folks that are not in that mode.

Speaker 7 (01:05:43):
But as a whole, we understand that that's our place.

Speaker 9 (01:05:46):
Whether it be in the un where you saw African
countries come together to force a conversation about George Floyd
and about police murder in the United States right, or
because African Americans don't have a a national head to
be able to do that, particularly at that time, or
whether it be right here in the halls of these

(01:06:08):
legislatures and in these courthouses. We are the ones that
set the standard, and we should not abdicate that. If
we abdicate that we lose such a core part of
the reason that we are here in this universe.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Oh that's good and so powerful. Nana. We're so grateful
for your time today, y'all. If you're not following Black
Alliance for Just Immigration, first know that they are a
State of the People partner and we're so grateful to
have them. And I also want to ensure that you
all are paying attention to everything that they're doing. This

(01:06:45):
report is out, there are updates coming. If y'all need
to understand how to debunk a myth around black migrants
and our role and impact of the harms of the
Trump administration. No better follow than Nana. Jumpfy Nana, do
you want to drop your social so folks know how
to follow you?

Speaker 7 (01:07:03):
Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
You can follow me at Attorney Nana which is easily
spelt and a Na at Attorney Nana. You can follow
Baji at insta Baji on Instagram. We're still on that X.
We're figuring it out at Baji tweet. We're also on
Facebook and we're on LinkedIn and please connect up with us.

(01:07:24):
We got toolkits we have you know, know your rights,
and multiple languages and ideas of how folks can jump
in and help and to think through what it is
we need to do in this moment because we know
we're gonna win. We just want to win as fabulously
as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
You gotta do that and that that's true to Andrew.
The thing that I will also say is make sure
please that we get those We will drop them in
the description for the podcast, so folks know how to
protect themselves, know their rights, especially with these ice rays
happening in La right now, but of course there are
many other places, so we want our folks to be protected,
said our folks with intention. Thank you, thank you so much, Naana, thank.

Speaker 7 (01:08:04):
Thank you so much for having me out. This was fabulous.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Thank you so much, Thank you, welcome home. See that's
for all of us. See there, okay, I was so good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
You know, it's it's powerful.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
I was reminded you could appreciate this. I think Angela
just sort of acting, uh, you know, taking an action
in life, not for what you're going to get from
having taken it, but because you take it because it's
if it's right within your soul, if it's right within you.
So if you if you never get to thank you,

(01:08:37):
you know from the mouths of the people who benefited
from that thing, you're okay because your goal wasn't for
the thank you. Your goal was to be the mark
by which you know a standard is measured, or to uh,
you know, to stay firm for that thing because it
felt like the right thing to do, and then what
flowed from it to to towards the benefit of those individuals,

(01:08:58):
you know, you're happy with that, And I just think,
I guess in some ways, I'm I'm kind of hoping
that more of us can find some peace with Like
when you're take an action and you take a stance,
you're not taking it for the purposes of the thank
you for the appreciation that may come with it, But
because it's right within you, I'm already fed because it
fits right within me. I'm at home with having taken

(01:09:20):
that step, with that action. But I get it on
all sides. I get how people can be frustrated and
tired and feel like everybody else gets the benefit off
your sacrifice. I totally get it. But that's why we
have to shift to another place, you know, mentally, I
think we have to shift to another place in that regard.
And I appreciate you know not for helping them, helping

(01:09:41):
to see that with us today.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Thank you. No, I'm so grateful and thanking her too.
I think we should go to cross the action.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
I want you go first with your as well. I
think online.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Okay, well mine is. By the time our pod drops
next week, we will be just arriving to Baltimore, and
so I want to urge people, if you haven't yet
for State of the People. Our tour is over, but
the National Assembly, thanks brother, thank you for your role.

(01:10:21):
If people are so excited to see you there, I'm serious.
I'm hoping that you all will meet us in Baltimore.
What has been fascinating ag and I think you've seen
this too, is at every turn there's been conversations around
and you know this especially because we really are like
siblings for forever. But I have a big I'll have

(01:10:43):
a big idea and it's like, we can't do that.
That's too much. We don't need to do that right now,
let's go down. We need time. And it feels like
all along the way we were being shown we were
given confirmation like oh no, we are late, Oh no,
we don't have time. Know, we do need to prepare.
And one thing I'm super grateful for is Judith Brown Dianas,

(01:11:06):
who is an incredible attorney runs Advancement Project. I know
you known her for forever. We need to have it.
How we have that Judy on the show. That's crazy,
we need to have Judy on the show. But Judy
has been you know, she's a constant voice of reason
and consummate big sister and I love her. But even Judy,
like there was moments where she was like I don't know,

(01:11:28):
and Judy came around, she was like, you know what
we need to do. And now she's like ten toes down,
ten fingers down, elbows in like going and has been
that way the whole time, even when she disagrees with me,
like I've learned so much about leadership from her on this,
because she was like, I don't agree with you on this,
but there's this part over here I agree with this
where I'm going to lean in and it's been beautiful.

(01:11:50):
And I'm saying all that to say that there's a
lot of that happening along the way on the tour
as we plan these workshops for the National Assembly. The
black papers have been that way. David has done a
remarkable job at pulling these black papers together. It will
be over thirty by the time the Assembly comes. So
my point is I want you all to register. If

(01:12:11):
you can't drive, I mean, if you can't fly, drive,
If you can't drive, get on the train. If you
can't get on the train, get on the bus. But
please come. I think that it will be well worth
the sacrifice to get there. If I have money for
you all, I will pay for all y'all to come.
I don't have that, but what I do have is
a bunch of really willing national partners and local partners

(01:12:32):
who have pulled together to give the best of themselves
in these spaces The plenaries will be designed to talk
through policy, what our demands are and what we require
of ourselves. The workshops will be designed to give you
tactics and tools to go home and keep implementing. The
delegate training will be designed to help us build the
structure that we need to move forward, whether it's to

(01:12:53):
approve a statement on behalf of Black America, to get
mobilized in another way. The rapid response network the miss
bass is talking about are the very things we are
going to establish in Baltimore. We can't afford not to
be there, so I plead with you to come and
to do what you feel called to do. Everybody is welcome.
Any offering you have is sufficient. It's a state of

(01:13:15):
THEPPL dot com slash Baltimore. I hope you will come,
and I want to send just a note of gratitude
to all of our local city committees, organizers, every group
that did anything. I don't care if you brought napkins
and forks, we thank God for you. If you spoke,
if you built the stage, if you passed out a flyer,
if you ask your friends to come, if you put
up an I'm in graphic, we love you and We

(01:13:36):
are eternally grateful for your support, and I want to
thank my co host especially because they came and then
every time I've been late or I didn't know what
was going on, they tapped in. They were like, this
is what we talked about. I'm like, okay, I'm just
gonna fight tired, and they were right there like we
got you said. So, I just love y'all and thank
God for you. That was a really long pot action.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Well, I'm co signing our chief of staff to black people.
I think you're now a president of black people. But
all these things, but really you're the sheer will I mean,
and this is in so many ways just the force
of will. It's how you have moved that and in
divine grace, because it's only possible through His divine grace

(01:14:23):
that it has come together in such a way. But Angela, you,
if you have leaned in and through your sheer force
of will, have been able to bring people who haven't
always partnered, who haven't always been good at co signing,
who haven't always you know, been down for an action
that doesn't, you know, require three years of planning before

(01:14:44):
you take the action. We thank you. I think there's
a collective thank you that's out there for you. If
you haven't heard it collectively, I hope you get to
hear it now that we are an eternal gratitude for you,
for your person, for who you are, not only for
what you do, but just the person that you are.

(01:15:06):
And I think it's it's an incredible blessing. And not
only are you going to feel the gifts coming around
and around, but the gift that you are to others
will continue to go around and around and around and
continue to inspire. So thank you for all of that
and then some and uh and we got your back
just like you've had ours.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
So love you, brethren, I love I want to shout out.
I want to shout out two more people. I want
to shout out Lolo on our pod because Lolo came
in Andrew is research producer and it's like I always
call her Charles Barkley. Yeah, she's a utility player, not
just for the podcast, but for this tour too. Lolo
lost her cousin tragically at our first tour stop and

(01:15:48):
it just hit her so hard and even after that,
came back and was like, Okay, I sat down as
long as I can. I got to get back in
the game and has done that. Like she just picks
up wherever she can. Constc her best friend just got married.
She's like, I'm out for a day and a half,
I'm coming back. She's back, you know. So I want
to shout out Lolo and Chloe on uh that does
social media for the podcast did so much at the

(01:16:10):
beginning of the tour, and and who like was holding
it down, just like when y'all were holding me down,
she was holding Chloe down. So I want to thank them.
And then Vincent Evans, that dog gone Vincent Evans. That
dog gone Vincent Evans. We love Vincent Evans and I
thank God for how he has my back personally as
his sister. I've been telling everybody that's one of the

(01:16:31):
few that can boss me. So when they ever need,
they need to get through to me because I'm being
hard headed. Hear, come, Vince, I'd be like what they'd
be like now, Angela, the people are concerned that you're
not here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Listen, we are not about to go into a mimic
session of my boy. But it's a couple Yea, it
was good. I got a couple of my sleeve. But
when going to Angela.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
I just want to make sure you thought of that.
Sent to Evans. Yeah, we should have played. I'm gonna
get a video of Vins. Vince was like they call
him the star of the dot because Vince is like
a breakout star and he's not even trying to perform.
He's just being him damn self. He is crazy anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
And we want to welcome you home.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
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