March 10, 2025 • 31 mins
Andrew Gillum goes LIVE with resources and tips for how to get plugged into The Fight. We all have a role to play and we all MUST play a role in opposition to this authoritarian administration. Andrew explains how the Montgomery Improvement Association can be a model for us today. He breaks down four steps for mobilization, then answers your questions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Was that was?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That was up everybody. This is Andrew Gillum. Put some
lotion on my hands because my mama talking to me
about not you know, have lotion hands anyway. Uh, y'all
listen real quick. This is coincidentally spring break for the kids.
I am not at home spring break. We try to
make make our rounds, visit family and uh, you know,
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find other things to distract us and the kids for
a couple of days. Hats off to teachers who do this.
You're in, Ye're out a month week, day after day,
all that good stuff. Anyway, So wherever you are, I
hope you're doing well. This is uh me coming to
you talking a little bit about this solo pod that
I'm doing. We are how do you say? Angela and I.
(00:55):
I think Tiffany soon will be sort of branching off
to take various elements of either the news of the
day or issues we want to you know, brief and
educate people on, as well as strategies for how we
make it through. Frankly, the trying days wherein we find ourselves.
I have made the choice, at least for the first
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many of my solo pods, to try to deepen into
a question that we keep getting pretty regularly on the
main show of Native Lampard around what do we do
the moment that we're in, the fights that we're having,
the apparent tyranny that goes unchecked at the national level,
what we're dealing with in our states and in our cities.
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And I really I like the question, but I hate
the question because it puts it just loads up so
much on you when you think, well, what do I do?
What is the thing? People get you know, pressured and
feel really not up to the task, that they're not
the right people to do the thing that it is
that needs to be done. And I just wanted to
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take a hit historical example of people getting together and
organizing a thing and it becoming something you know, bigger, bigger,
I think, than their initial ambitions. And the example I'd
like to use for on the aftermath of this past
weekend's sixtieth remembrance of Bloody Sunday, the march across the
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Edmond Petties Bridge. I want to use the Montgomery Bus
boycotts as sort of a background and we know it,
of course as the big transformational Montgomery bus boycotts today,
But back then, if we were to trace back to,
you know, the work of Rosa Parks nineteen fifty five
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when she made her refusal, it's important to note that
there were those who had been arrested frankly prior to
Rosa Parks's refusal. Claudette Colving comes to mind, the fifteen
year old who less than a year prior to to
to Rosa Parks's refusal also refused to get up uh
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and give her seat away in the Negro section of
the bus where she had paid her fare to be
able to sit. Uh. But we thank all of those
who came before. But I just wanted to provide a
little bit of context for how this very local action
kind of ballooned and when and and relate that to
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this big question of what do we do? What do
we do? What do we do? And it being almost
paralyzing to think about. Well, some of you may know,
but there was a little room group at the time
called the neighborhood uh improved the excuse me, Montgomery Improvement
Association that doctor King would eventually come to lead, but
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prior to uh Doctor King leading it, it had the
name of the Negro Council, the Local Negro Council, which
the name was changed because because it was in such
close assemblance to the White Council, which was a racist organization,
that in order for the framing to go right, they
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made the name change. Nonetheless, the Neighborhood Improvement Association there
at Montgomery pre existed the work done around the bus boycotts.
They were formed with the pretty important but singular notion
of how to improve life for black people in Montgomery
at that time, very focused, very discrete in its orientation
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and its mission, certainly not you know, change American history
and American law and make separate but equal, you know,
inherently unequal, even as it relates to accommodations public accommodations.
It started small. So as you think about things in
your own community, things you want to see changed, improvements
you want to see made. I just want you to
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see that this sort of tracks with what happened back then,
that there were things that people in the local community
came together and said, ah, we got to change this,
we need some some that it can be better and
we can do the work to make it better. Montgomery
Improvement Association m IA as it came to be called,
not to be confused with missing in an action. It
was anything but. When the bus boycotts began that November fifth,
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with the support of the National Association for the Advancement
of Colored People and obviously the local community, the empty
buses on that day were shock, such a shock to
the system, nobody expected it. The white folks in the
community didn't know what to do. And at the end
of that day, the community meeting, the gathering which were
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being held nightly in churches, gathered at a local amb church,
you know, packed with black folks there Montgomery, and at
the time the Black censites of Montgomery was around seventeen
five hundred people. They gathered and they took the position
that they had to continue the bus boycott. So what
was initially a one day event, these folks make the
decision when they fell the agency and the power of
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their actions that hey, hey we shook something up. This
thing got to continue. Literally did they know that continuation
meant three hundred and eighty two days of protests, of resistance,
of inconvenience so that they could bring the system to heal.
And I got to imagine that over those many, many days,
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over that year's time, there were probably a lot of
people who eventually said, all right, y'all, this system is
too big. We can't break it. And I'm reminded of
this poem. That line of the poem is when things
seem worse, that you mustn't quit. A lot of times
in our fights, things feel dark, they feel tough, they
feel immovable, and quite frankly, it launches its fiercest attack
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right before it crumbles, right before it falls. And so yes,
these times of mobilization, we will have high and low days.
But they persisted, and through their persistence and their commitment
to the goal, we were able to see American history,
not just you know, not just in Montgomery, but I
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think world history and the self efficacy that black folks
felt that we could decide to do a thing and
that thing can be done even when the power on
the other side seems are all powerful, uh and not
not able to crumble. Where does this relate back to
what it is that we're talking about today and what
we're confronting. I just want to bring down the size
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the civil rights movement takes on such this huge space
as it should. It was transformational for history and for us.
A lot of times we refuse to pull back the
layers of Okay, how did we get there? What happened
to get us to this point? How did they organize it?
What did we? You know, who knew doctor King? You know,
if doctor King doesn't exist in our communities anymore, well,
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you know, let the story be told on it. Doctor
King was selected to lead uh the m I, a
Montgomery Improvement Association. He was chosen, according to Rosa Parks,
because he was young, relatively new, and frankly hadn't built
up a lot of enemies amongst ministers and others in
the Montgomery area. And so he was chosen to lead
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this group. And he, after some you know, in trepidation,
decided that he would he would take on that that mission.
But the people made that choice, A group of folks
in a community made those choices, and obviously history took
its course, and diviner dimension being what it is, he
was the right person, it was the right time, and
they were the right group. But so too is that
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possibility for all of us. I wanted to give three
or maybe four pieces of advice as we approach what
is going to be my series in this solo pod,
which will bring to you individuals through interviews and through
conversation like this movement examples and curricula that I'm going
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to borrow from an effort known as start sca art
to try to walk us through. Okay, what are some
of the steps and hopefully it can be useful to you.
Everything may not be useful to you. This may not
be useful. You may know this history and it may
not be important to you, but hopefully you can keep
what is useful and suspend with the rest. All right,
I'm humble enough to know that everything won't be directly
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applicable to everybody. But we trace these examples back over
history because they give us the belief that the thing
we want to do can be done. And in some cases,
the thing we want to do may not have ever
been attempted before, or maybe it was attempted and was unsuccessful,
and then you're birthing something very new. But in the
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time in which you're doing it, you can't be focused
on making history or even changing history. They weren't in
the Montgomery Improvement Association. They willocused on changing the lift
conditions of black people every day in that city, just
like many of us are challenged to do at a local,
at a state, or at a national level. At this time,
three pieces of advice. As we get at this question
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of what do we do and how do we get started?
The start and a number of other organizing movement strategies
give us a little bit of hint into how we
do that. And the first thing I want to suggest
to you is that you began to assemble a group
of people, small group folks you know, maybe some you
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don't know so well, but you have a sense that
you share something in common. I don't want to give
you all the criteria, but certainly there are to be
some like minded concern amongst are gathering small group of folks.
And by the way, your action doesn't always have to
be with groups. It can also be very individual. And
we'll talk about that. If not, we're gonna get to
it this time next time. But get a small group together.
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That's number one. Who are people who share generally your issue,
your aks, your concern talk amongst each other. Number two?
And a house setting at a coffee shop. However it
is you decide to organize this group of like minded
people and allow everyone who's around that space, at that
table to offer their real, true, heartfelt feelings about what
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is under their crawl, what's concerning them, what has them anxious, nervous,
troubled by our community, by the country, by the state,
by the local place where we are on our street,
in our neighborhood. That's number two. Allow everybody to get
their voices out and be heard. The buy ind is
greater when we do that. People feel greater ownership, They
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feel heard and hopefully reflected through the work of the group.
When everybody gets to pour in their thoughts and feelings,
that's number two. Number three. Once you all have gathered that,
you have shared your thoughts, opinions, trepidations about what it
is you are facing, you all as a group are facing.
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The third thing that we want you to do is
start to read, study, pull some examples, you know, look
at some PBS documentaries on some things that may have
happened that may give you just some advice on how
to start approaching some of the core of the work,
which will be the development of an action plan. All
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of the kinds of tactics and actions that you want
to execute on the way to the goal. But the
resourcing just trying to educate yourselves as a group or
appoint individuals to help bring the group under some common
shared set of resources. And then the fourth and I
think most important thing to do in this early phase
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is to decide what is this thing then that we
want to change, What do we do about it? What
do we is it that we want to like the
Montgomer Improvement Association, change the conditions of black folks and
this community on transportation, public accommodations, bussing, you know, other
specificities that of course we know history, and we know
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that it ballooned to become something much bigger than it
originally started. But I got to tell you, I think
we would admit that those folks did not gather in
that room necessarily believing they were going to change American
and world history. In fact, I have paused to anyone
who would begin an effort like this with the goal
of history change, frankly being at the center, and not
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change for the thing, the circumstance, the conditions that have
gotten you to the point of frustration or action that
you are but now together in a group of shared
you know, like minded thinking you can determine, all right,
what do we want to do? If we had our drothers,
if we were able to decide for ourselves, if we
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were able to build the outcome, and we are the
only ones who had input and what that thing was
going to be, what would it look like? It feels
daunting and unachievable to day, but you know, we put
some real strategy together, we can make this thing happen.
So we want that. We want you to we we
we we want you to begin with the goal in mind,
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the change, the delta, the change that you want to
have happen in mind. The absence of doing that allows
for your work to be carried off in directions of
which you never ever intended and are not consistent with
the greater change that you want to see. It allows
for every little thing that happens to pierce this body
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of people and get us distracted and off on different things.
For those of you who are sort of faith in
my comment or share faith tradition, you know, it's sort
of this, this belief that the devil thrives in chaos,
They create chaos. You know, you want to you want
to mess some people up and destroy a movement, or
keep some things from happening amongst a group with with
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with with shared interest, give them different languages so that
they can't communicate. Some of y'all will know what reference
that is too, right, So the chaos is something we've
got to deal with. But the central goal letting folks know,
like man, this is the thing we want to see
at the end of the day. And guess what Providence
will take its course. If it's meant to be something
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different and it aligns with you all in your heart
and your core, it'll go that direction and consistent keeping
with what brought you together. So it's crystally important if
I could make crystal clear the importance of that shared goal,
that shared outcome, y'all. I want to move quickly to
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questions because my intention is to try to keep these
within twenty twenty five minutes, not to take too much
of your time. And by the way, I'm supposed to be
on spring break with the kids. Oh yeah, there's that,
so I want to invite my girl lol lol, I
know you. Yeah, there you go. Well, welcome home, lolo.
You guess some interesting background, what's up? But I like
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the flowers where you at last time we got a
race car.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
All right, I am good. I am good.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I have some interesting things going away. I'm not gonna
say allow because you're not.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I get it. I get it, I get it, I
get it, I get it. But it's all good. You're
gonna be all good. We're counting it, counting it counted. Done, Yes, Lolo.
I don't know if any of that was helpful to
you as a as a as a listener. But you know,
I don't know how you feel on the show because
you've had a lot of the questions for the main show,
but this is when that often comes up, what do
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we do? How do we get started? And it feels
so ballooning, and I just think it's part our job
at this time to bring it down the side so
that people feel like they can they can get a
go at it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, And I'm taking a look at the questions that
you have gotten up until this point, and I think
it's very pliant to what it is that you're asking
or what people have been asking of, like what do
we do? So I'm gonna go through the questions, and
then I do want to talk this through because you
and I have gotten to be activated a lot, you know,
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over this last week. Yes, and seeing the inspiration of
people being inspired to do.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Something in that sense, that's right.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So okay, So one of the first questions that I
see is somebody said, when we call our senators with
all of this chaos, is there a few guidelines that
we should develop to focus on when we call the capital?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So that's that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It is a good question. And while I'm trying to answer,
I want you to pull up that link on the
messaging so for instance, around must doge all that that
is coming from that other group that that your referenced
that I'm not saying the name of, because yeah, that
gives some talking points for folks when they're doing it.
I'll point to just two quick things. There's so last week,
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if you miss it, there was this twenty four hour
heavy content field with some really joyous moments but also
some real, real gifts and talents being shared by a
lot of the names that you will know and recognize.
And we were trying to school people just across the
range of issues and ways in which we've got to
bring this fight right now or certainly respond to the
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fight that we're in and you can visit this was
the State of the People that I'm referring to, and lolo,
if I'm not mistaken, we have the link to watch
it in its entirety or its parts actually.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
All parts of it will be available to watch on Wednesday.
So if you go to Stateofthepeople dot media, you can
push your email in and we'll actually start sending out
a lot of different resources that are available. You'll be
able to see all of the different lies. And then
also if you go to Stay of the People so
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as PPL for people on Instagram, follow that. We also
have some stuff like it inspired so many people to
come together and they're like, we can't just leave it here,
so they have like this whole plan and we've been planning.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
We have this whole plan.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
About how to move forward and how to containe this
collective action of advocating.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So that's right, that's right, and the collective is really cool,
y'all because it reminds us that we're not in it alone.
We got folks that we can lean on when when
we're not at one hundred percent, you know, we're at fifty.
Let's just let's just pray that the partner in the
group is out one hundred and fifty to compensate for
the fifty that you don't have. But that's what group
help helps us to do. But but there are very
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clear guidance that we should always have when reach when
we're reaching out to people in power and an influence
around the thing that we want them to do. The
message simply has been around you know, doze and the
cuts and all of this rabbit, you know, nonsensical action
that is happening at the federal level is you are
the Congress of United States. To you, all of the
first branch of government and a coequal system of three branches,
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stand up and do your job, stop them from what
they're doing, stand in the way, ask questions whatever whatever
is again the movement's goal at that time, those need
to be. Those need to be the comments in which
that we are sharing with our members. Now, I'll tell
you I've been elected and I've been on the receiving
end of messages like this, and I got to tell
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you it's not every day that a Congressman's office blows
up with phone calls. And when it does, it is
a special thing. And let me tell you this, they
take notice the reason why Republicans have been instructed to
stop hosting town hall meetings around the country is because
they're getting to hear directly from people and they liking
what they're seeing and they're demanding some change. So their
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leadership say, hey, y'all just stop having the meetings. Well,
they can stop having them if they want, but they
won't diminish the sentiment. In fact, the sentiment will likely
grow stronger, louder, more resilient, and frankly closer to its
aims achieving its aims. So we want consistent messaging to
come out as an elected I didn't like the whole
threat thing, like I put you in, I put you out,
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I google your name in the database, and you ain't
voted in seven years, So I'm not really terrified that
you're going to do that, right. This is just thinking
as a person who's like, it's this threat real. But
if you are a voter and you do do this consistently,
let them know I am a voter in your area
and I don't miss an election. I'm expecting you to
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be there and to represent me. So that kind of thing.
Be clear about the message, the goal that we're trying
to achieve and then in your tactics, you know, again
the threat, make sure if you make it, you backing
it up.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I just seen this comment.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Somebody was like, it would be a great idea for
the nymps to start having town halls in the Republican
areas where you know they've been saying that they're not
going to be doing those town halls anymore. I think
that is such a great idea.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I think Dems ought to be doing town halls in
their own communities, to be very frank about it, because
that's how you awaken this sleeping giant. The majority of
people in this country who are eligible and registeredtive vote
not voting, more than half the country choosing not to participate.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, and so there was another question that said, how
do we begin to get engaged again? I'm in the
ninety two percent and burned my cape on eleven, six.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Twenty four. I'm tired and in at rest.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I don't want to help anyone, but as black votes,
is there a way to move past this intense hurt?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah? Yeah, it's hard, It is very hard. I sympathize
with it. I know. On the main show, if it
were Tiffany and Angela, they would tell you. In fact,
Angela's is pretty consistent in saying, I don't even believe
the outcome, but you know this is where we are.
It hurts, It absolutely hurts when you put everything into it.
It's one of the reasons why I mentioned in talking
about the Montgomerymprovement Association. Do you think on the night
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of that town hall where they were asked at the
end of the day, on the first day of the protest,
when it was wildly successful and the buses were empty,
do you think the answer would have still been a
resounding yes, I'm gonna stick at this if it's going
to take us three hundred and eighty two days to
get the outcome we want. And my guess is is
if folks had to meet that challenge of how long
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I gotta do this upfront, many of us wouldn't choose
to take the first step in the first place. So
just know that what you are feeling is real. It
is it is. It is not abnormal. It is very
normal during these times. But the way I would caution
you to resist is the folding and giving in and
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let be what will happen. Right live and let live
and carpetia. Whatever happens is what happens. The problem with that,
particularly for US black folks, people of color, those who
sit at the margins society, is just know that we
are always going to be at the worst end of
the consequence when these folks are in power, the worst end.
They're coming for us, and they may be coming for
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some others too, but it's going to sweep us out
first and then they'll get to the next thing. And
so if our if the consequence for us not being
involved didn't savage us so greatly, I could get with
I'm backing out, I'm tapping out, I can whatever. But
because whether you tap in or out, you're on the
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front line of the negative side of this. We believe
in harm reduction as a strategy as well, and so
if you've got to do this just to reduce the
harm that could be coming your way, let that maybe
be motivation. Let you know, the example of Montgomery three
hundred and eighty two be a motivation, and there are
probably other examples that we could point to as well.
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But resist the desire, the urge, the feeling to pull up,
pull back, because that's exactly what the enemy wants. The
reason why they're deluging us, you know, is a delusion,
bad news every day and they're moving at the speed
that they are is they want our heads on a swivel.
They want us spinning to the point where we feel
like we have no recourse what we do. And when
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they get louder, this is when you know we're piercing them.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
And can I add real quick?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We posted something on you know, Joyce said this during
the twenty four hour towel hall. She started off and
she was like, some people say politics, they don't do politics.
Your politics is always do you do you?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
And I and I really resonated with that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And then we also post Stacey Abram's posts about this
is not the time to rest.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And I know that there's a lot of people who
are hired.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, but I am a strong believer that you don't
have to exhaust yourself trying to save or build this
new rome in a day.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Just small things of people buying their part.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Small bites. Absolutely, I agree with you one thousand percent.
I said. My wife hits me over the head because
I said so much. You can't eat an elephant and
one bite all at once. No, whatever it is, you
can't eat it all at once. You have to take
bites out of it. And when you the beautiful part
about stress strategy and doing this with a group of
people is when you're working your plan, you're kind of
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immune to all of the noise and the mess because
you are working your plan and and you'll get fulfillment
from the successes that you achieved along the way to
the big goal. So resist, resist that urge that that's
that's that's not of us, that's a that's a tool
of the enemy. So I resist that.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
And I want to I think we got time for
one more question.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Okay, Okay, So and I'm just going to group a
bunch of questions that I'm seeing together. Okay, people are
mentioning the primary election, special elections coming up, primaries coming up,
and so it's like, how do we leverage these things?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
What do we do?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
How do we engage? Yeah, so just to quick mention,
there are two primaries coming up very soon in my
home state of Florida to Republican distric, one of which
was previously occupied by Matt Gates. Those seats are up,
and although they're happening in pretty strongly Republican areas, the
other side is very nervous that there's a chance that
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a Democrat could potentially sweep in and when, and what
makes them nervous is when we are showing action and
activity on the ground. Y'all. If your people aren't doing
what they're supposed to do, and I mean at every
level of government, and you all collectively or individually have
something to offer that could be better than what you've
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got the alternative, then we ought to be running and
moving the alternatives to take on many of these seats.
Moms for Liberty a group that has taken over many
school boards around the country, certainly in Florida. A lot
of these candidates right wing, extreme folks who want history
and black history and all mentions of anything that could
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offend white children no longer in textbooks or in assignments
or of resources. They are getting on school boards with
just slivers of votes and having all power to determine
what happens to your children and our children at the
local educational level. And by the way, their kids either
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have been moved out and already in privacy school getting
subsidized by taxpayers, or are in schools where basically everybody
looks the same and so they'll get little resistance when
they try to push things like our history out of
libraries and out of textbooks. So the way we engage
is we have to fight back. Joy's point, and I
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appreciate you bringing it up. Lo low you and do politics,
but it does you. That is a very common refrain.
I don't talk about. It is in every aspect of
our lives. The fact that we are even on this
forum communicating, and the regulatory environment makes for it to
be available for all of us. Doesn't have to be
that way. The regulatory environment could be I gotta pay
(28:58):
you for everybody who seize me, and for everything that
you see, you gotta pay for. And by the way,
we're gonna limit your ability to have lives like this
to ten minutes, and you got to do it. You
gotta do a mat period and by the way, you
can't do it more than once a month. Yeah, that
could become the regulatory environment Instagram or TikTok TikTok. Sorry,
(29:19):
I'm not on that, so I apologize for whatever. But
the TikTok ban, right, if that were to be enforced,
the ban on TikTok operating in the United States means
you don't do politics as you do on your TikTok,
but your TikTok can be taken away and now you've
got nothing. So I just those are hopefully some examples
that show you in the ways in which it shows
up in the most and most consequential ways, but also
(29:41):
in ways that we don't even recognize or think about,
but it bears consequence on. So get involved, organized, replace
people where necessary, and in other places elect and elevate
some people who are doing what we need them to do.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
So I'm gonna I just want to say this last thing.
It's not a question. I just want to put this plug.
And Andrew didn't know this. On Wednesdays, we're gonna start
doing this thing on the social media. So you can
go to Native lamp Pod social media and we're gonna
have a question day. So you'll see a post and
it's gonna be like cause these like Unfortunately, we want
to have these conversations and have you all ask as
(30:19):
many questions as possible, but sometimes we just don't get
to them. And so on that Wednesday, you'll be able
to go post your question and then we're gonna engage
right back with you. So make sure that you tie
your friends, tells people, but on Wednesday, this is going
to be our new thing.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I love that, Lolo and Lolo, I appreciate your help
and wishing you well on that end. And for y'all
who tuned in, thank you. We're gonna try and keep
these as brief as we can, because we know time
is the currency. It's not replenishable. You don't get more
of it, so when you choose to spend it with us,
we appreciate it, we value it, and stay tuned to
(30:56):
these minis because not many's lord solos, y'all got so
many names for all these goddamn things have has done. Anyway,
these solo pods that we're doing again, I'm going to
deepen into over the coming weeks through interviews and through
examples various stages of organizing, and I will use curricula
that you will also be able to access on your side,
(31:18):
so that we can follow each other along as we
as we try to do what we gotta do to
a build rather the beloved community. And with that, welcome home, everybody,
Welcome home, Lolo, welcome home, y'all, see y'all later.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Was that was?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
That was up everybody. This is Andrew Gillum. Put some
lotion on my hands because my mama talking to me
about not you know, have lotion hands anyway. Uh, y'all
listen real quick. This is coincidentally spring break for the kids.
I am not at home spring break. We try to
make make our rounds, visit family and uh, you know,
(00:32):
find other things to distract us and the kids for
a couple of days. Hats off to teachers who do this.
You're in, Ye're out a month week, day after day,
all that good stuff. Anyway, So wherever you are, I
hope you're doing well. This is uh me coming to
you talking a little bit about this solo pod that
I'm doing. We are how do you say? Angela and I.
(00:55):
I think Tiffany soon will be sort of branching off
to take various elements of either the news of the
day or issues we want to you know, brief and
educate people on, as well as strategies for how we
make it through. Frankly, the trying days wherein we find ourselves.
I have made the choice, at least for the first
(01:17):
many of my solo pods, to try to deepen into
a question that we keep getting pretty regularly on the
main show of Native Lampard around what do we do
the moment that we're in, the fights that we're having,
the apparent tyranny that goes unchecked at the national level,
what we're dealing with in our states and in our cities.
(01:38):
And I really I like the question, but I hate
the question because it puts it just loads up so
much on you when you think, well, what do I do?
What is the thing? People get you know, pressured and
feel really not up to the task, that they're not
the right people to do the thing that it is
that needs to be done. And I just wanted to
(01:59):
take a hit historical example of people getting together and
organizing a thing and it becoming something you know, bigger, bigger,
I think, than their initial ambitions. And the example I'd
like to use for on the aftermath of this past
weekend's sixtieth remembrance of Bloody Sunday, the march across the
(02:23):
Edmond Petties Bridge. I want to use the Montgomery Bus
boycotts as sort of a background and we know it,
of course as the big transformational Montgomery bus boycotts today,
But back then, if we were to trace back to,
you know, the work of Rosa Parks nineteen fifty five
(02:45):
when she made her refusal, it's important to note that
there were those who had been arrested frankly prior to
Rosa Parks's refusal. Claudette Colving comes to mind, the fifteen
year old who less than a year prior to to
to Rosa Parks's refusal also refused to get up uh
(03:07):
and give her seat away in the Negro section of
the bus where she had paid her fare to be
able to sit. Uh. But we thank all of those
who came before. But I just wanted to provide a
little bit of context for how this very local action
kind of ballooned and when and and relate that to
(03:27):
this big question of what do we do? What do
we do? What do we do? And it being almost
paralyzing to think about. Well, some of you may know,
but there was a little room group at the time
called the neighborhood uh improved the excuse me, Montgomery Improvement
Association that doctor King would eventually come to lead, but
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prior to uh Doctor King leading it, it had the
name of the Negro Council, the Local Negro Council, which
the name was changed because because it was in such
close assemblance to the White Council, which was a racist organization,
that in order for the framing to go right, they
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made the name change. Nonetheless, the Neighborhood Improvement Association there
at Montgomery pre existed the work done around the bus boycotts.
They were formed with the pretty important but singular notion
of how to improve life for black people in Montgomery
at that time, very focused, very discrete in its orientation
(04:34):
and its mission, certainly not you know, change American history
and American law and make separate but equal, you know,
inherently unequal, even as it relates to accommodations public accommodations.
It started small. So as you think about things in
your own community, things you want to see changed, improvements
you want to see made. I just want you to
(04:54):
see that this sort of tracks with what happened back then,
that there were things that people in the local community
came together and said, ah, we got to change this,
we need some some that it can be better and
we can do the work to make it better. Montgomery
Improvement Association m IA as it came to be called,
not to be confused with missing in an action. It
was anything but. When the bus boycotts began that November fifth,
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with the support of the National Association for the Advancement
of Colored People and obviously the local community, the empty
buses on that day were shock, such a shock to
the system, nobody expected it. The white folks in the
community didn't know what to do. And at the end
of that day, the community meeting, the gathering which were
(05:38):
being held nightly in churches, gathered at a local amb church,
you know, packed with black folks there Montgomery, and at
the time the Black censites of Montgomery was around seventeen
five hundred people. They gathered and they took the position
that they had to continue the bus boycott. So what
was initially a one day event, these folks make the
decision when they fell the agency and the power of
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their actions that hey, hey we shook something up. This
thing got to continue. Literally did they know that continuation
meant three hundred and eighty two days of protests, of resistance,
of inconvenience so that they could bring the system to heal.
And I got to imagine that over those many, many days,
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over that year's time, there were probably a lot of
people who eventually said, all right, y'all, this system is
too big. We can't break it. And I'm reminded of
this poem. That line of the poem is when things
seem worse, that you mustn't quit. A lot of times
in our fights, things feel dark, they feel tough, they
feel immovable, and quite frankly, it launches its fiercest attack
(06:51):
right before it crumbles, right before it falls. And so yes,
these times of mobilization, we will have high and low days.
But they persisted, and through their persistence and their commitment
to the goal, we were able to see American history,
not just you know, not just in Montgomery, but I
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think world history and the self efficacy that black folks
felt that we could decide to do a thing and
that thing can be done even when the power on
the other side seems are all powerful, uh and not
not able to crumble. Where does this relate back to
what it is that we're talking about today and what
we're confronting. I just want to bring down the size
(07:35):
the civil rights movement takes on such this huge space
as it should. It was transformational for history and for us.
A lot of times we refuse to pull back the
layers of Okay, how did we get there? What happened
to get us to this point? How did they organize it?
What did we? You know, who knew doctor King? You know,
if doctor King doesn't exist in our communities anymore, well,
(07:58):
you know, let the story be told on it. Doctor
King was selected to lead uh the m I, a
Montgomery Improvement Association. He was chosen, according to Rosa Parks,
because he was young, relatively new, and frankly hadn't built
up a lot of enemies amongst ministers and others in
the Montgomery area. And so he was chosen to lead
(08:19):
this group. And he, after some you know, in trepidation,
decided that he would he would take on that that mission.
But the people made that choice, A group of folks
in a community made those choices, and obviously history took
its course, and diviner dimension being what it is, he
was the right person, it was the right time, and
they were the right group. But so too is that
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possibility for all of us. I wanted to give three
or maybe four pieces of advice as we approach what
is going to be my series in this solo pod,
which will bring to you individuals through interviews and through
conversation like this movement examples and curricula that I'm going
(09:04):
to borrow from an effort known as start sca art
to try to walk us through. Okay, what are some
of the steps and hopefully it can be useful to you.
Everything may not be useful to you. This may not
be useful. You may know this history and it may
not be important to you, but hopefully you can keep
what is useful and suspend with the rest. All right,
I'm humble enough to know that everything won't be directly
(09:27):
applicable to everybody. But we trace these examples back over
history because they give us the belief that the thing
we want to do can be done. And in some cases,
the thing we want to do may not have ever
been attempted before, or maybe it was attempted and was unsuccessful,
and then you're birthing something very new. But in the
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time in which you're doing it, you can't be focused
on making history or even changing history. They weren't in
the Montgomery Improvement Association. They willocused on changing the lift
conditions of black people every day in that city, just
like many of us are challenged to do at a local,
at a state, or at a national level. At this time,
three pieces of advice. As we get at this question
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of what do we do and how do we get started?
The start and a number of other organizing movement strategies
give us a little bit of hint into how we
do that. And the first thing I want to suggest
to you is that you began to assemble a group
of people, small group folks you know, maybe some you
(10:36):
don't know so well, but you have a sense that
you share something in common. I don't want to give
you all the criteria, but certainly there are to be
some like minded concern amongst are gathering small group of folks.
And by the way, your action doesn't always have to
be with groups. It can also be very individual. And
we'll talk about that. If not, we're gonna get to
it this time next time. But get a small group together.
(10:57):
That's number one. Who are people who share generally your issue,
your aks, your concern talk amongst each other. Number two?
And a house setting at a coffee shop. However it
is you decide to organize this group of like minded
people and allow everyone who's around that space, at that
table to offer their real, true, heartfelt feelings about what
(11:23):
is under their crawl, what's concerning them, what has them anxious, nervous,
troubled by our community, by the country, by the state,
by the local place where we are on our street,
in our neighborhood. That's number two. Allow everybody to get
their voices out and be heard. The buy ind is
greater when we do that. People feel greater ownership, They
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feel heard and hopefully reflected through the work of the group.
When everybody gets to pour in their thoughts and feelings,
that's number two. Number three. Once you all have gathered that,
you have shared your thoughts, opinions, trepidations about what it
is you are facing, you all as a group are facing.
(12:04):
The third thing that we want you to do is
start to read, study, pull some examples, you know, look
at some PBS documentaries on some things that may have
happened that may give you just some advice on how
to start approaching some of the core of the work,
which will be the development of an action plan. All
(12:26):
of the kinds of tactics and actions that you want
to execute on the way to the goal. But the
resourcing just trying to educate yourselves as a group or
appoint individuals to help bring the group under some common
shared set of resources. And then the fourth and I
think most important thing to do in this early phase
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is to decide what is this thing then that we
want to change, What do we do about it? What
do we is it that we want to like the
Montgomer Improvement Association, change the conditions of black folks and
this community on transportation, public accommodations, bussing, you know, other
specificities that of course we know history, and we know
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that it ballooned to become something much bigger than it
originally started. But I got to tell you, I think
we would admit that those folks did not gather in
that room necessarily believing they were going to change American
and world history. In fact, I have paused to anyone
who would begin an effort like this with the goal
of history change, frankly being at the center, and not
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change for the thing, the circumstance, the conditions that have
gotten you to the point of frustration or action that
you are but now together in a group of shared
you know, like minded thinking you can determine, all right,
what do we want to do? If we had our drothers,
if we were able to decide for ourselves, if we
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were able to build the outcome, and we are the
only ones who had input and what that thing was
going to be, what would it look like? It feels
daunting and unachievable to day, but you know, we put
some real strategy together, we can make this thing happen.
So we want that. We want you to we we
we we want you to begin with the goal in mind,
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the change, the delta, the change that you want to
have happen in mind. The absence of doing that allows
for your work to be carried off in directions of
which you never ever intended and are not consistent with
the greater change that you want to see. It allows
for every little thing that happens to pierce this body
(14:38):
of people and get us distracted and off on different things.
For those of you who are sort of faith in
my comment or share faith tradition, you know, it's sort
of this, this belief that the devil thrives in chaos,
They create chaos. You know, you want to you want
to mess some people up and destroy a movement, or
keep some things from happening amongst a group with with
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with with shared interest, give them different languages so that
they can't communicate. Some of y'all will know what reference
that is too, right, So the chaos is something we've
got to deal with. But the central goal letting folks know,
like man, this is the thing we want to see
at the end of the day. And guess what Providence
will take its course. If it's meant to be something
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different and it aligns with you all in your heart
and your core, it'll go that direction and consistent keeping
with what brought you together. So it's crystally important if
I could make crystal clear the importance of that shared goal,
that shared outcome, y'all. I want to move quickly to
(15:48):
questions because my intention is to try to keep these
within twenty twenty five minutes, not to take too much
of your time. And by the way, I'm supposed to be
on spring break with the kids. Oh yeah, there's that,
so I want to invite my girl lol lol, I
know you. Yeah, there you go. Well, welcome home, lolo.
You guess some interesting background, what's up? But I like
(16:09):
the flowers where you at last time we got a
race car.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
All right, I am good. I am good.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I have some interesting things going away. I'm not gonna
say allow because you're not.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I'm happy.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I get it. I get it, I get it, I
get it, I get it. But it's all good. You're
gonna be all good. We're counting it, counting it counted. Done, Yes, Lolo.
I don't know if any of that was helpful to
you as a as a as a listener. But you know,
I don't know how you feel on the show because
you've had a lot of the questions for the main show,
but this is when that often comes up, what do
(16:42):
we do? How do we get started? And it feels
so ballooning, and I just think it's part our job
at this time to bring it down the side so
that people feel like they can they can get a
go at it.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, And I'm taking a look at the questions that
you have gotten up until this point, and I think
it's very pliant to what it is that you're asking
or what people have been asking of, like what do
we do? So I'm gonna go through the questions, and
then I do want to talk this through because you
and I have gotten to be activated a lot, you know,
(17:13):
over this last week. Yes, and seeing the inspiration of
people being inspired to do.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Something in that sense, that's right.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
So okay, So one of the first questions that I
see is somebody said, when we call our senators with
all of this chaos, is there a few guidelines that
we should develop to focus on when we call the capital?
Speaker 4 (17:38):
So that's that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It is a good question. And while I'm trying to answer,
I want you to pull up that link on the
messaging so for instance, around must doge all that that
is coming from that other group that that your referenced
that I'm not saying the name of, because yeah, that
gives some talking points for folks when they're doing it.
I'll point to just two quick things. There's so last week,
(18:01):
if you miss it, there was this twenty four hour
heavy content field with some really joyous moments but also
some real, real gifts and talents being shared by a
lot of the names that you will know and recognize.
And we were trying to school people just across the
range of issues and ways in which we've got to
bring this fight right now or certainly respond to the
(18:23):
fight that we're in and you can visit this was
the State of the People that I'm referring to, and lolo,
if I'm not mistaken, we have the link to watch
it in its entirety or its parts actually.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
All parts of it will be available to watch on Wednesday.
So if you go to Stateofthepeople dot media, you can
push your email in and we'll actually start sending out
a lot of different resources that are available. You'll be
able to see all of the different lies. And then
also if you go to Stay of the People so
(18:59):
as PPL for people on Instagram, follow that. We also
have some stuff like it inspired so many people to
come together and they're like, we can't just leave it here,
so they have like this whole plan and we've been planning.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
We have this whole plan.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
About how to move forward and how to containe this
collective action of advocating.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
So that's right, that's right, and the collective is really cool,
y'all because it reminds us that we're not in it alone.
We got folks that we can lean on when when
we're not at one hundred percent, you know, we're at fifty.
Let's just let's just pray that the partner in the
group is out one hundred and fifty to compensate for
the fifty that you don't have. But that's what group
help helps us to do. But but there are very
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clear guidance that we should always have when reach when
we're reaching out to people in power and an influence
around the thing that we want them to do. The
message simply has been around you know, doze and the
cuts and all of this rabbit, you know, nonsensical action
that is happening at the federal level is you are
the Congress of United States. To you, all of the
first branch of government and a coequal system of three branches,
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stand up and do your job, stop them from what
they're doing, stand in the way, ask questions whatever whatever
is again the movement's goal at that time, those need
to be. Those need to be the comments in which
that we are sharing with our members. Now, I'll tell
you I've been elected and I've been on the receiving
end of messages like this, and I got to tell
(20:26):
you it's not every day that a Congressman's office blows
up with phone calls. And when it does, it is
a special thing. And let me tell you this, they
take notice the reason why Republicans have been instructed to
stop hosting town hall meetings around the country is because
they're getting to hear directly from people and they liking
what they're seeing and they're demanding some change. So their
(20:47):
leadership say, hey, y'all just stop having the meetings. Well,
they can stop having them if they want, but they
won't diminish the sentiment. In fact, the sentiment will likely
grow stronger, louder, more resilient, and frankly closer to its
aims achieving its aims. So we want consistent messaging to
come out as an elected I didn't like the whole
threat thing, like I put you in, I put you out,
(21:07):
I google your name in the database, and you ain't
voted in seven years, So I'm not really terrified that
you're going to do that, right. This is just thinking
as a person who's like, it's this threat real. But
if you are a voter and you do do this consistently,
let them know I am a voter in your area
and I don't miss an election. I'm expecting you to
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be there and to represent me. So that kind of thing.
Be clear about the message, the goal that we're trying
to achieve and then in your tactics, you know, again
the threat, make sure if you make it, you backing
it up.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I just seen this comment.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Somebody was like, it would be a great idea for
the nymps to start having town halls in the Republican
areas where you know they've been saying that they're not
going to be doing those town halls anymore. I think
that is such a great idea.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I think Dems ought to be doing town halls in
their own communities, to be very frank about it, because
that's how you awaken this sleeping giant. The majority of
people in this country who are eligible and registeredtive vote
not voting, more than half the country choosing not to participate.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, and so there was another question that said, how
do we begin to get engaged again? I'm in the
ninety two percent and burned my cape on eleven, six.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Twenty four. I'm tired and in at rest.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
I don't want to help anyone, but as black votes,
is there a way to move past this intense hurt?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah? Yeah, it's hard, It is very hard. I sympathize
with it. I know. On the main show, if it
were Tiffany and Angela, they would tell you. In fact,
Angela's is pretty consistent in saying, I don't even believe
the outcome, but you know this is where we are.
It hurts, It absolutely hurts when you put everything into it.
It's one of the reasons why I mentioned in talking
about the Montgomerymprovement Association. Do you think on the night
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of that town hall where they were asked at the
end of the day, on the first day of the protest,
when it was wildly successful and the buses were empty,
do you think the answer would have still been a
resounding yes, I'm gonna stick at this if it's going
to take us three hundred and eighty two days to
get the outcome we want. And my guess is is
if folks had to meet that challenge of how long
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I gotta do this upfront, many of us wouldn't choose
to take the first step in the first place. So
just know that what you are feeling is real. It
is it is. It is not abnormal. It is very
normal during these times. But the way I would caution
you to resist is the folding and giving in and
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let be what will happen. Right live and let live
and carpetia. Whatever happens is what happens. The problem with that,
particularly for US black folks, people of color, those who
sit at the margins society, is just know that we
are always going to be at the worst end of
the consequence when these folks are in power, the worst end.
They're coming for us, and they may be coming for
(23:51):
some others too, but it's going to sweep us out
first and then they'll get to the next thing. And
so if our if the consequence for us not being
involved didn't savage us so greatly, I could get with
I'm backing out, I'm tapping out, I can whatever. But
because whether you tap in or out, you're on the
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front line of the negative side of this. We believe
in harm reduction as a strategy as well, and so
if you've got to do this just to reduce the
harm that could be coming your way, let that maybe
be motivation. Let you know, the example of Montgomery three
hundred and eighty two be a motivation, and there are
probably other examples that we could point to as well.
(24:35):
But resist the desire, the urge, the feeling to pull up,
pull back, because that's exactly what the enemy wants. The
reason why they're deluging us, you know, is a delusion,
bad news every day and they're moving at the speed
that they are is they want our heads on a swivel.
They want us spinning to the point where we feel
like we have no recourse what we do. And when
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they get louder, this is when you know we're piercing them.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
And can I add real quick?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
We posted something on you know, Joyce said this during
the twenty four hour towel hall. She started off and
she was like, some people say politics, they don't do politics.
Your politics is always do you do you?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
And I and I really resonated with that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And then we also post Stacey Abram's posts about this
is not the time to rest.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
And I know that there's a lot of people who
are hired.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, but I am a strong believer that you don't
have to exhaust yourself trying to save or build this
new rome in a day.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Just small things of people buying their part.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Small bites. Absolutely, I agree with you one thousand percent.
I said. My wife hits me over the head because
I said so much. You can't eat an elephant and
one bite all at once. No, whatever it is, you
can't eat it all at once. You have to take
bites out of it. And when you the beautiful part
about stress strategy and doing this with a group of
people is when you're working your plan, you're kind of
(26:05):
immune to all of the noise and the mess because
you are working your plan and and you'll get fulfillment
from the successes that you achieved along the way to
the big goal. So resist, resist that urge that that's
that's that's not of us, that's a that's a tool
of the enemy. So I resist that.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
And I want to I think we got time for
one more question.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Okay, Okay, So and I'm just going to group a
bunch of questions that I'm seeing together. Okay, people are
mentioning the primary election, special elections coming up, primaries coming up,
and so it's like, how do we leverage these things?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
What do we do?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
How do we engage? Yeah, so just to quick mention,
there are two primaries coming up very soon in my
home state of Florida to Republican distric, one of which
was previously occupied by Matt Gates. Those seats are up,
and although they're happening in pretty strongly Republican areas, the
other side is very nervous that there's a chance that
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a Democrat could potentially sweep in and when, and what
makes them nervous is when we are showing action and
activity on the ground. Y'all. If your people aren't doing
what they're supposed to do, and I mean at every
level of government, and you all collectively or individually have
something to offer that could be better than what you've
(27:32):
got the alternative, then we ought to be running and
moving the alternatives to take on many of these seats.
Moms for Liberty a group that has taken over many
school boards around the country, certainly in Florida. A lot
of these candidates right wing, extreme folks who want history
and black history and all mentions of anything that could
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offend white children no longer in textbooks or in assignments
or of resources. They are getting on school boards with
just slivers of votes and having all power to determine
what happens to your children and our children at the
local educational level. And by the way, their kids either
(28:16):
have been moved out and already in privacy school getting
subsidized by taxpayers, or are in schools where basically everybody
looks the same and so they'll get little resistance when
they try to push things like our history out of
libraries and out of textbooks. So the way we engage
is we have to fight back. Joy's point, and I
(28:38):
appreciate you bringing it up. Lo low you and do politics,
but it does you. That is a very common refrain.
I don't talk about. It is in every aspect of
our lives. The fact that we are even on this
forum communicating, and the regulatory environment makes for it to
be available for all of us. Doesn't have to be
that way. The regulatory environment could be I gotta pay
(28:58):
you for everybody who seize me, and for everything that
you see, you gotta pay for. And by the way,
we're gonna limit your ability to have lives like this
to ten minutes, and you got to do it. You
gotta do a mat period and by the way, you
can't do it more than once a month. Yeah, that
could become the regulatory environment Instagram or TikTok TikTok. Sorry,
(29:19):
I'm not on that, so I apologize for whatever. But
the TikTok ban, right, if that were to be enforced,
the ban on TikTok operating in the United States means
you don't do politics as you do on your TikTok,
but your TikTok can be taken away and now you've
got nothing. So I just those are hopefully some examples
that show you in the ways in which it shows
up in the most and most consequential ways, but also
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in ways that we don't even recognize or think about,
but it bears consequence on. So get involved, organized, replace
people where necessary, and in other places elect and elevate
some people who are doing what we need them to do.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
So I'm gonna I just want to say this last thing.
It's not a question. I just want to put this plug.
And Andrew didn't know this. On Wednesdays, we're gonna start
doing this thing on the social media. So you can
go to Native lamp Pod social media and we're gonna
have a question day. So you'll see a post and
it's gonna be like cause these like Unfortunately, we want
to have these conversations and have you all ask as
(30:19):
many questions as possible, but sometimes we just don't get
to them. And so on that Wednesday, you'll be able
to go post your question and then we're gonna engage
right back with you. So make sure that you tie
your friends, tells people, but on Wednesday, this is going
to be our new thing.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I love that, Lolo and Lolo, I appreciate your help
and wishing you well on that end. And for y'all
who tuned in, thank you. We're gonna try and keep
these as brief as we can, because we know time
is the currency. It's not replenishable. You don't get more
of it, so when you choose to spend it with us,
we appreciate it, we value it, and stay tuned to
(30:56):
these minis because not many's lord solos, y'all got so
many names for all these goddamn things have has done. Anyway,
these solo pods that we're doing again, I'm going to
deepen into over the coming weeks through interviews and through
examples various stages of organizing, and I will use curricula
that you will also be able to access on your side,
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so that we can follow each other along as we
as we try to do what we gotta do to
a build rather the beloved community. And with that, welcome home, everybody,
Welcome home, Lolo, welcome home, y'all, see y'all later.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
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