Our Grief Is Political

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome, Welcome home, y'all, This is episode eighty nine of
Native Lampod, where we give you our breakdown of all
things politics and culture. We got some good topics today,
and we are your hosts, Angela Raie, Tiffany Cross, and
Andrew Gillen. What y'all got today?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Well, I don't know if it's a good topic, but
a sad topic that I want to talk about is
the tragic, untimely passing of Malcolm Jamal Warner, who we
grew up with as THEO and I've been seeing all
the tributes pour in, so I definitely want to share
some reflections on his life and what he meant to us.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
And I'll join you in that. Angela, Tiffany, we got
to talk about this Biden set of interviews. Not Joe Biden,
but it's Sun Hunter. What's he talking about? I think
y'all want to stay tuned to hear what he's had
to say lately.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's definitely said some things so we've been saying for
many years now. Say her name in reference to Sandra
Bland and then of course to Breonna Taylor and so
many others where I'm from in Seattle, Charlene and Lyles.
But An officer was finally sentenced related to the shooting
death of Brehanna Taylor and Louisville, Kentucky. This week, we
also discussed that, Okay, theo here's another question for you.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
What was Prometheus's punishment for bringing fire to man?

Speaker 6 (01:24):
He was Jane to a boulder.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
You know, it's exciting to be so near to your
great mind?

Speaker 6 (01:29):
Well, could you get a little nearer to my great mind?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
That was, of course Malcolm Jamal Warner, who tragically passed
away this week in Costa Rica. He was there on
vacation with his wife and daughter. And you know this,
I think this death hit us all in such a
way because of what the Cosby Show meant to black
life here in America, So everybody, but more closely to us.

(01:56):
It was interesting even watching the media this morning because
Ozzy Osbourne also passed away, and you saw on a
lot of the morning shows it was all these like
long tributes and interviews over Ozzy Osbourne. And I think
so many of us in Black America thought man, we
lost someone who was a member of an institution this week.

(02:17):
The interesting thing to me, I'm sure it's true for
you guys. The Cosby Show had such a large audience
in the eighties. Every Thursday, they would capture fifty percent
of the TV viewing audience. Now you don't get those
kind of numbers anymore. Super Bowl doesn't even get those
kind of numbers anymore. Yeah, So fifty percent of the

(02:37):
people who had televisions were tuned into The Cosby Show,
and we could just drop things like Gordon Guard Trail
and the bands he used to make, and all the
things that he the classic timeless memories that he gave us.
And I know so many it hit me. It makes
me sad. But interview in particular, I know so many
black men or even Angela, like the black men we know.

(03:00):
I know so many black men who said this death
struck them so hard, like they're like my whole day
or generation.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, So I'm curious how a death struck you guys.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay, yeah, I think that one. I just want to
comment on the type of person that Malcolm Jamal Warner was.
I didn't have the privilege of being very close to him,
but every time we had an interaction or in exchange,
he was always so uplifting, so encouraging, always, you know,

(03:35):
good jobs. This just really really for the people, and
it feels like he really loved life. I am devastated
for his young family. I feel so badly that that
is what is happening for them. And then to be
on a family vacation getting away from this crazy country
right now, you know, to be trying to be free

(03:57):
and then to end up with a different kind of
freedom that traumatizes your loved ones is just a lot.
I will say. What's been interesting to me are the
number of Black men who I know in their late
forties early fifties who are like, oh my God, like
there's something about his death and his passing that makes
the unknown of life really come to terms for them

(04:21):
in a lot of ways. So I empathize with our
dear brothers, but also for us because this is tough
and it does feel like someone we grew up with,
that whole family on air, it feels like you're up
with them, So it does feel like a part of
us is gone at a time where we need to
cling onto everything that feels really good.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
Yeah, Tiffany your comments about how television has been treating
his legacy at this time, it actually saddens me because
his impact is so outsized.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I think people really really ignore that their own at
their own embarrassment that white householes brown black households. But
of course, as you said earlier, specifically us, I mean
I was this was one of the first Black American
families that white people got introduced to by way of

(05:16):
helping to shape their update on the diversity and the
dimensions of black folks that were not what you see
in the evening reel where that plus so much more
that can't be captured. And I just you know you
mentioned it feels like a family member somebody were close to.
He actually had this, you know, this spirit about him

(05:39):
that made you feel like you knew him, you know,
everybody's friend if you will, and an enemy to none,
but also a very strong, unapologetic brother who allowed his
emotions not to lead him, but he led them, and
then was so open and increasingly transparent with us before

(06:01):
it was him to share what his mental state was,
how he was doing, what post Cosby life was like,
what it meant to have all syndications stripped from television
for a period of time and how you negotiate that space.
I mean, just so incredible and I'm with you. The
loss of a dad, a young dad, you know, a

(06:22):
husband and a father. It really made me feel this weekend,
and my brother sent me a text you know, along
these lines. It just made me really reflective of life
because Malcolm Jamal Warner felt like like he was of
our age group, and in many ways really is and

(06:43):
we saw ourselves reflected in him on TV as he
grew up. So rest in peace and power. Brother.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yes, Angela rightfully pointed out before we came on air
that he didn't want to just be known as THEO,
which I imagine is challenging if everyone sees you and they
always see Theos. So he went on, of course, to
play a lot of other roles, and what many of
you may know is he was quite the accomplished spoken
word artist, even a Grammy winner behind it. So we
want to close out this segment with a few spoken

(07:12):
words from Malcolm Jamal Warner, rest in power.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Before you get about here, would you mind doing a poem?

Speaker 6 (07:22):
This piece is a Sante sana about a gun and comrade.
But you're still in that freedom shit word, Well you
know what I mean this poetry, we still be on
that weedam shit, that birthing inspirational couplets and breedom, shit

(07:43):
that I spit cats should heat them, Shit that words
can't break my bones, but if you cut me homes,
I bleed them. Shit atonement for the masses of hard
asses and heads that tread on civil liberty in the
most uncivilized fashion is said to be dead. Can we

(08:04):
afford to be dumb for free? See? That's the question
I'm asking as I beg for an ounce of truth
amongst the aloof surrounding me. We descendants of stolen legacies,
children of ancestors who cannot be broken, birthers, and bearers

(08:27):
of a culture that has been repeatedly robbed and ransacked
to feed the spiritually famine like a black woman's bosom.
We who become a pre existing condition simply because we
pre exist. We who realize we are worthy. We are

(08:50):
the guardians. We are the gardeners. We are the soil.
We are the toil. We are the protectors of our
sieves who need to be protected, who need to see
true love and black excellence redirected, not through fame and fortune,
but redirected through character. Indeed, and indeed, it is those

(09:12):
who stand on the front line fighting for the minds
of our young, black and gifted. It is you who
are in inspiration to me, because you are the revolution
we do not see on TV. A Sante Sana.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
There's the only difference between crack cocaine and cocaine is
studying bribricarbonate and water and heat. Literally that's it.

Speaker 8 (09:44):
And those things are pretty much free. If you go
to like a science store.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
This is free. You can go to your neighborhood convenience
store and just get anyway. I don't want to tell
people how to make how to make crack cocaine, but
it literally is. And many star cocaine and baking soda.

Speaker 8 (10:01):
How different is the experience.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
It's vastly, vastly different, And like, for real, I feel
really reluctant to kind of have some EU fork discussion.
I know you're not asking me to do that, but
have some U fork discussion about crack cocaine.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
I think this might be kind of the opposite here.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Okay, no, it's the exact opposite. I'm saying. I don't
want to have the experience of some you for a
Greek call. That's how powerful crack cocaine is. My point
about it that your point about it, which I think
is true, is that there's a thing about crack that
is really insidious. And what it is is that anytime,

(10:40):
you know, I think one of the reasons that they
believe that smoking cigarettes is so addictive is because it
combines three really important things. It's habit for me. There
is an oral fixation, and there is a ritual combined
with it. You have your cigarette in the morning, you
have a cigarette when you get out of the car,
you have your cigarette with your coffee. Crack is that

(11:01):
on steroids. This is like a PSA if you want
to completely utterly up your life. You know, I don't
think that anything is necessarily oh you do it once.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
You addict that.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
But there's about the closest thing that the statement could
be true would be with crack cocaine.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
In this segment, he's going through this journey. A lot
of people are like, oh, this is he's trying to
recruit people in the crack cocaine, and I don't think
that's true at all. What I think is one Hunter
Biden is so damn brilliant number one. Number two like
hearing him say like, I'm not trying to have a

(11:36):
euphoric like conversation about it because of what yeah, where
it We'll send him? I think is so responsible. And
then three, I really appreciated what he said at the
end about it's a PSA and I'm just saying this
because hopefully we end up cutting it, you know, forty
five seconds in. I think that it's smart to just say,
you know, this is this is what it was. This
is the single difference. And I got to tell y'all

(11:59):
when I was watching this, my immediate thought was, I
wonder if he was already experiencing with or having the
experiences with crack when the Crime Bill came out. And
the reason why I thought that is because he talks
to Jamie, which I know we're also going to play

(12:20):
some podcasts or podcast clip from about his father being
really really strict, Like people think that his dad was like,
you know, anything goes because of the trauma they experience,
but he says, you know, it was quite the opposite.
So I was wondering if his dad was trying to
punish the system and punish him through the crime bill

(12:41):
doesn't justify what after, don't justify what happened. But I
was fascinated by it because of the very simple a
distinction that many of us have heard of, studied know
about between crack and cocaine. But the way he explained it,
it immediately sent me to I wonder if that's what
happened with the Crime Bill.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Interesting, a lot of people had that same I don't
think it's even exclusive to Joe Biden, who was in
the Senate at the time. I think a lot of people,
including people in the black community. To your point, Angela,
felt enraged at what was happening in our communities, and sadly,

(13:17):
we looked to the system that was destroying us to
self correct. When the system was functioning as it was intended,
the biggest drug dealer in the marketplace was the United
States government, So just when it it was it was
intended for us. But then when it got to white kids,
that's when it was a problem. But I just like

(13:40):
to remind people because everyone's so mad about the Crime Bill,
and it's like, listen, those of us who are old enough,
remember black folks were right out there on that crime bill.
Black mamas and Grandmama's were right there, so we have
to you kind of reconcile with that decades later, you know,
And it was desperation because I feel I genuinely he's
talking about it. I feel bad for him because when

(14:02):
you consider how crack cocaine came to be, it's like,
you're coming out of the seventies and cocaine was like
this party drug and people were still smoking weed. And
in the eighties people are like, oh, I got something
like we like, smoke this and see if you like it.
So you had regular everyday people smoke something once and

(14:23):
it hooked them. They got their claws in them and
they couldn't function without it, and that created a generation
of loss and killing and robbery. So I have an
incredible amount of empathy for him, and I wonder how
it would have been had we met the crack cocaine
addiction with the same empathy we did the opioid crisis

(14:45):
with the same targeting of the dealers. You know, the
Sackware family is persona non grata anywhere, Yet the US
government continues it's ill practices, the CIA continues to function.
The CIA never really because they were selling drugs to
support their political ambitions in Central America. They still do
the same shit all the time because it disproportionately impacted us.

(15:07):
So I just I feel bad. I don't want people
to make fun of Hunter Biden in this interview. You
know how we did with Whitney and Crack and Whack
and all that stuff, and it's like, man, these people
really suffer, suffer from this. So I have an incredible
amount of empathy for him and Joe Biden because I
even hearing that, I imagine Joe Biden even listening to that.
It has to hurt him. After losing Bo, after losing

(15:31):
his wife and sons. He's just seen a lot of
tragedy and a lot of Black people confronted a lot
of tragedy because of the drug and also because of
a crime bill that we are still confronting. We are
still dealing with the fallout from the crime Bill and
the remnants of it are resurfacing. So what I actually
would be okay hearing the clip in its entirety, But.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, well before we do that, I just I wanted
to flag to Tip's point. Yes, Joe Biden was in
the Senate when the crime bill was passed. He also
authored it. So that was my point, and I would
say this too, that yes, there were a ton of
black families, but we didn't hear about the white ones.

(16:12):
We didn't hear. When you look turned on news at
nighttime during this era, all you saw were black people
and crackheads. A crackhead image is the image of someone
black you never saw. And that's why I'm saying, like
to me, that is the phenomenon here, part.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Of the government media consperience, exactly. That's exactly as to
brand it a certain way. And poor people in Appalachia
and all the states that that that those great mountains
touch are suffering in the shadows. I mean hunger, pains, addiction, obviously, death, suicide,

(16:53):
you know, people at a stop light and overdosing. I mean,
the American carnage on American streets during that period of
time may have been whitewashed in those moments, but if
you paid at all any attention to local news at night,
you saw the sirens, and you saw some of the

(17:14):
most horrific images that you know, my mind still won't forget,
where people literally appear comatose and almost under some spell walking,
you know, out loud, but vacant, you know in their person.
I mean it was. It was a horrible time in

(17:35):
this country treated the victims of that addiction crisis horribly.
And again I think it goes to show and we
already know this that you know, certain faces and newer
certain reactions. You know, those poor kids from Somalia that
were on our television screens as kids, you know, could

(17:56):
hardly compare to the one orphan white child. You know, uh,
set set beside them doing the commercial break. We had empathy,
We had care that that person, that that white baby
was human. And you know those black babies looking emaciated,
all they want is some food, rice, right water, and

(18:17):
you know that's what those people deserve.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah. Well, we hopped right into the crack cocaine conversation,
but we didn't get into all things political and the truth,
the rest of the truth that Hunter Biden has to share.
We'll do that right after this break. So the other

(18:40):
thing I want to just get into, So again for
those of you who don't know, we jumped right into
the crack. We didn't say that that was Hunter Biden.
We did, We really did.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
We jumped right into right.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, we jumped right into the crack, but we didn't
say that. That's Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden,
and he's talking about his experience with crack cocaine. But
he also talked a lot talk about a lot more
in this interview. One clip in particular has to do
with the candidate, the Democratic Party's candidate from this past November,

(19:17):
Kamala Harris. I want to roll that clip.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Only person that he would ever, ever ever endorse off
out of the gate because he chose her as his
vice president. There's no choice in that. And by the way,
I love Kamala Harris. I think that she would have
made an incredible president. I know that she was an
incredibly loyal vice president and she did everything that she
could to support my dad everything and to support me

(19:39):
and my family personally. I mean, I truly love her
like family, and I think that she would have made
an incredible president. And I think she r in an
incredible campaign. You know who did not want Kamala Harris
to be president and did not want her to be
the nominee. Nancy Pelosi didn't want her to be None
of Nancy Pelosi's people wanted he to. They wanted an

(20:01):
open convention, they wanted a floor fight, they wanted a
I don't know what the hell they wanted, but they
wanted to be the ones to anoint whoever they were
going to annoint to become the next president of the
United States.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
Who do you think that would have been.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
I really don't know. I don't have any idea. All
I know is that they definitely did not want Kamala
Harris and again, which undermined her, which undermined the campaign.
You know, I mean I look at these people and
talk about, like, well, where were they? We had one
hundred days, she got a hundred. She literally was handed
one hundred million dollar check. She ran her ass off.
She had an incredible organization, incredible grassroots organization. David Pluff

(20:38):
took over the campaign.

Speaker 8 (20:40):
You know what did they do?

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Well?

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I didn't realize that was in the same clip as
the Nancy Pelosi clip. But yes, I actually another clip
back to back so we could just deal with all
this at once. But let's go ahead and read the
clip from Jamie Harrison's new show, New Podcast, where he
also interviews Hunter Biden, and he talks about this nomination process.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
Because there were some people who wanted Joe Biden to
step down, but they didn't want Kamla Harris either.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Yeah, we know who they are.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
They did not want Kamala Harris as well.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
They were already playing them, I mean.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
At our table.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
But my but you're right, okay, And uh look, Jamie,
you you you can attest to this. If not anything,
Joe Biden is.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
Loyal, Yes, is loyal. He's loyal.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
So I don't ever want to say anything on that.
It's like I'm speaking on his behalf because my dad
wouldn't say an ill word regardless of how wrong he was.
And you know it, but it doesn't mean his son
can't feel it sometimes, And like I said, I'd say

(21:53):
it over and over. I say it just one more
time to make certain that clear. I love of President Obama.
I love what he achieved for this country. I respect
and honor what the people that worked for him were

(22:14):
able to achieve in the eight years that he was president.
And I feel the same about Speaker Pelosi and the
people that have tirelessly worked on her behalf and her
staff and her family to allow her to achieve the
things that she's achieved on behalf of millions and millions
of Americans. Okay, I would only ask this is that

(22:37):
they showed the same respect to my dad.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
So I thought we should get into that because one
you already saw him name names on the other clip,
and there's something I don't know how y'all feel watching this,
but for me one again, I want to applaud his intelligence,
his candor. He's like, I'm gonna try. You can see

(23:02):
him trying to kind of do right by Jamie at
interview because he's like, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Know, he was only considerate of Jamie there had he
been you know, left his own devices. Well, I mean
I think he said more in that initial interview, which
is how we could tell his hedging, you know, was
an effect, you know, probably towards the protection of Jamie
more than anything, because he seems extremely clear about what

(23:26):
went down. Yeah, even though he was going through his
row on his own you know, personal trial, a prosecution
that should never have been bought, by the way, and
my humble opinion, never before you statute in the history
of the statute against Hunter Biden. But anyway, I applaud
the brother for being so clear headed. I just you know,

(23:50):
being in recovery facing his demons, you know, head on,
I kept thinking to myself, what was he thinking with
that whole drug ran, Why was he telling? Why was
he giving? And I'm actually really curious because his intention
certainly was not to recruit more users, but he was
processing something through his mind that I think is probably
pretty fascinating if we knew the backstory to it. But

(24:12):
you know, I wish him well and I appreciate y'all.
Remember we had some heat for going down this road
about Obama's tone, and we didn't really dig much into
to Nancy Pelosi, but I had shared in one of
our earlier episodes, you know, this really long form piece
that I saw written that you know, I attributed at

(24:34):
the time to basically, you know, the Obama folks Obama people,
which doesn't mean he directed them, but you know, there's
loyalty there. I think Hunter Biden was dead on, and
I hope that both the individuals he was speaking to
heard him and will take note because the disrespect that
they have shown I think Joe Biden is pretty shameful

(24:57):
and is a good reason why a lot of Democrats
don't think other Democrats are loyal last people to have
our back.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I think the thing that I would flag for you,
is he named Barack Obama, he named Nancy Pelosi, he
named Nancy Pelosi. And the other piece, the other thing
that you'll see if you guys go back and watch
the interview with Jamie, he blasts pod Save America at
least three times. And I think what's fascinating about that
to me is he really saw that as people who

(25:26):
he talks about where they live and how out of
touch they are, and Beverly Hills or Bellair Holmes and
how that same like the donor class basically decided the election,
and he feels like his dad was trying to save
the party over himself. That's his perception. But I think
what is again contrashing to me right now is nobody

(25:47):
is willing to call a thing a thing like even
in this upcoming autopsy for the Democratic Party, put Hedge
Biden's dance on air, you know, so that there can
be an honest assessment about what is now. Whether or
not I agree with him about his dad's the state
in the election, I don't, right, But I think that
the point is you can have a debate in earnest
and a discussion in earnest with someone who's willing to

(26:08):
be intellectually honest about what is. So I just wanted
That's what I wanted to bring forth to y'all. Is
that the energy that the Democratic Party needs to lean
into right now because he is irreverent and he is clear,
and he is telling the truth about what is. At
this point, he's like, what in the hell do I
have to lose?

Speaker 4 (26:27):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I mean I have to say I just have lost
the ability to give a shit about the Democratic Party.
And that's not to say because I think people misunderstand
that when we talk have the's discussions, and they think
that me and Angela catches straights for this, even though
sometimes I'm the person who said it, and people just

(26:50):
you know, I can't believe Angela said that, and I'm like,
that was me. But I'm not saying this means we
lay down and die. I'm not saying we won't do
everything we can and to show up and vote during
the terms. I'm not saying that we will not be
part of their resistance. I'm saying the party as a structure,
like I think what we're talking about is such minutia,

(27:13):
Like most people don't even know about the Hunter Biden interview.
You know, that's such a Beltway conversation. But people are
not in every group chat I'm in. People aren't like,
oh my god, let's talk about Hunter Biden. I think
people are just looking for relief and so the whole.
But the I don't think everyone always understands the power
that the structure created, the power that the Democratic Party

(27:36):
itself has. So my thought is like, disrupt the infrastructure
of the political system. And I was warned that I
would feel this way, because I will tell you I
am deep into Asada right now, a recommendation that Angela
made and I'm deep into it, and I am it's

(27:56):
just making me more enraged. So I don't look at
this like, yeah, this autopsy the Democratic Party. I gotta
tell you, I feel like it's as many white supremacists
as we all know in the Democratic Party. I get
so grossly offended every time I hear one of them
come out who's supposed to be an ally and say
something completely tone deaf, like you look at Target, for example,

(28:19):
like all the black people were protesting Target, how many
white women did y'all see protesting tart and posting about it?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I saw them with a target bag and I was
ready to fight her. I feel ashamed to say it,
but I was like, what's.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
What I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (28:30):
What you wait?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
We stand alone? We stand alone. And so when you
look at like a majority of elected members in Congress
are white people and they are still This is why
the Epstein thing gets on my nerves because it's like
you all keep thinking that, oh, this is our opportunity
to get them back, and it's so offensive because I'm like,

(28:51):
why the fuck are y'all always running after maga voters, Like,
tell me how you're gonna appeal to me, tell me
how you're addressing my problem. But you're so excited that
you'll get to break up the mega colts and you
spending your energy playing the guitar running around on every
TV show. But the shit that's impacting us the hardest.
I don't where are the social media stunts for that? Like,

(29:14):
and not that I want to see that either, but like,
where is the plan of action for that? So I
don't know. I'm happy to hear from hunter Byden just
because he's a personality, you know, and I think that
he has insight that a lot of people don't have.
I just don't know. Okay, so we know that they
didn't want Kamala Harris as the nominee. I just don't
want to get to us like what it serves us.
I'm telling you, I'm on something. I probably should have

(29:37):
waited to read this book, but I'm on something altogether.
When you start hearing about like the details of what
this government does to us. And I know we're gonna
talk about Breonna Taylor. I was gonna wait to even
mention is out of until we got to Breonna Taylor.
But I just I don't know, y'all. I don't know
how y'all like you all are talking about the politics
of it, I'm curious how do you feel hearing that?

(29:58):
Like how do you feel in this moment of knowing
that this autopsy's even taken place? Like does it move
you anyway?

Speaker 1 (30:07):
No? But but I do think it's important for us
to understand, like I'm not talking about this like, oh,
this could be good for the party.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Me.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I'm talking about for the party it like there has
to be something that they do that is markedly different
than what they're doing right now.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
And I do think copycat h they're basically paying copycat.
I mean, it's like, where did the Trump people scattered to?
Let's go to that corner.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
That's what I want to say. You're a fan, but
you're saying they have to do you think they're going
to No, I don't know, but all.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I can say is in where I like, I grew
up in politics professionally, so what I know is to
tell you, like, oh, this will work or this won't work.
And what I also know right now is everything that
I would have typically guided people to do won't work
in this moment because politics as usual is gone. It
is politics is as unusual af right. So to me,

(31:01):
I'm like, all right, well if we and by this
we meet now, I mean, like as Vince would say,
those who are who would represent the politics of goodwill
are to say and do anything right now, It means
there's a broad coalition of people that have to get
to get together to fight against evil if we can
even agree on what evil is. There are reformers. There

(31:23):
are people who are you know, institutionalists I would put
Andrew there, you know, who believe in the institution and
want to uphold it and fix it. The reformers who
are somewhere a little bit to the left of that
socialists and then the anti Trumpers. All of those folks
have to come together to preserve or to rebuild whatever
is going to be that whatever happens next. Now, nobody

(31:44):
could do anything. We could just sit here and watch
it all burn, But we are going to be on
fire first. We're already on fe So I don't feel.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
So no, no, no, please finish your point. You don't feel
I don't feel.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I don't feel like I want to watch it burn.
I feel like I got this Harriet Tubman chain on
my neck for a reason, like I'll set it on fire,
but I'm not about to watch it burning and catch
my people on fire. So I am other school that thought.
If there are some people who are willing among us
to tell the truth, to say that they want to
see something happen differently, I'm with them. I'm with them

(32:19):
one hundred percent. If they're not there, I'm not just like, oh,
there's nothing we can do. I don't believe that. I
believe there's a lot we can do, and I believe
I'm going to set it on fire, but I don't
know what we can do that can stop. Like I
keep going back to this, like all these things that
are happening. It feels like it's a lot of shuffling
papers and energy. But I'm like, what has happened that

(32:39):
we're stopping something that this because of this thing?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
This stopped it could and andrew The last time I
said this, you gave a few examples, and it's like, oh,
you know, that's true. That's a really good point, because
I also don't want to discourage people from doing what
they you know, what they feel like they should be doing.
But I am looking like, damn, y'all, I think we're
in for a long night. I think like I see
what's coming, and I think we are in for.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
A maybe pre or.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Post reconstruction existence in this country. And even just I'm
not going to talk about this every week, I swear
I won't, But even reading Asada, when you hear about
what this woman went through, I'm in shame on me
for just now reading it all these decades later. But
when you read about what this woman went through, it
wasn't that long ago. You know, Like how the government
works against us when you look at how the government

(33:35):
is literally targeting black women right now, targeting our livelihood,
target our income, and that's not to leave out black men,
black men. I love y'all. People always telling me why
you're so hard on black men. I'm not hard on
black men. I love y'all too. I'm just looking at
who is getting hammered the worst right now, and it's
black women, And I just feel like, how can we
stop this? Three hundred thousand black women out of work?

(33:56):
What was the policy that we could have done to
stop that? Five hundred women haven't returned to the workforce
since uh COVID the end of Trump's first administration. What
could we have done? What might we have done to
stop that? The best thing you said to me is,
I'm not going to watch it burn. I'll set it
on fire, but I'm not gonna watch it burn. I'm
kind of right there, like I'm like, yeah, we gotta

(34:18):
might set some things on fire. I don't know. I'm
still working it out in real time.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
So that's why we're just so we're clear. We're not
talking about the violent destruction in a riot, like we
have to be clear about that. We're just talking about
the things that have caused us harm, that has have
done you know, done us poorly. We're going to get
rid of those things we're going to shine a light
on being an allegory. Yes, we have to say that
because we apparently it's some slow people among us.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Andrew, Yeah, and the stupid the f A. I'm trying
to be smart, King Spell at the f AE. U
X knew the station loves the clip things.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Not the fakes, but the fakes work too.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
It can X news station.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
They love to clip our thank you, thank you, y'all.
Next time, just make sure you say following them at
Native Lampid. Maybe we'll convert some of your viewers. Andrew,
you are gonna say some fifteen minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
I you know, so, I just had a lot of
thoughts running through my mind. But I will say when
we began talking about hunter By, I wasn't actually viewing
him through the political lens, but I do see the
opportunity moment for him to be able to have some
impact on I think a party that whose members by
and large have good intention. However, big picture are completely

(35:40):
void of a plan, and the plan worries me less
than where the passion is. And I just feel like
as institutional list and as protectors of the regime as
it exists today, Democrats have become quite uninspiring and frankly boring,

(36:06):
very very default. You know, it's like, if you don't
do anything, these things are going to keep happy. You know.
It's like tomorrow will come and you do nothing in
the day after that, there will be the day after tomorrow.
Nobody's inspired by that assembly line. Nobody is inspired by

(36:26):
the mathematics that is, basically, become black people. You're transaction
because you can rely on a group of black folks
and black women and black men, but black people for
a certain turnout by percent in the polls. But you
get frustrated when their voices, voices begin to be heard,

(36:49):
when we start to raise our voice, when we start
to protest against a party agenda, a platform that doesn't
reflect our values where we stand now. When that happens,
you're a dit action. You're taking from the opportunity moment here.
Why don't you just go somewhere. We'll deal with that
another day. We'll have our chance to sit around and
pow wow about that. And that day never comes in.

(37:11):
It never ever becomes a part of the bloodstream of
the organization, the Democratic Party. It is always an appendage.
Black people are always just outside the body women are
treated just outside the body until you want a debate
about their bodies and then their central focus. But do
we really mean it so worse than not having a plan,

(37:32):
And maybe don't start sending no emails or another Excel
spreadsheets because that's the problem. Y'all are addicted to that stuff,
and what is absent from me is where's the heart,
where's the nerve? Where is the stuff that's keeping you
up at night? Because if it truly is keeping you
up at night, your comportment could not be contained in
this moment, right, So their rhetoric doesn't match their behavior,

(37:57):
and it makes it impossible to believe in them because
you doubt whether they believe in themselves. Nobody wants to
follow that, So I you know, I share your frustration, Tiff.
I'm at the end of the day going to be
the pragmatisms basically say, so long as these are the
people who are negotiating how we exist in this space,

(38:17):
we need to have a weight on that thing. And
that doesn't mean we don't start filling some other buckets too,
but it absolutely means we do not unilaterally disarmed.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Yeah, well, can I say something I thought was really
interesting last week, you and Angela disagreed about a path forward,
and I found myself conflicted because I'm like, I actually think, Andrew,
you have a point, But damn, Angela, I actually see
what you're saying. And I you know, I read the
comments and I thought the comments would be all one
way or another. I didn't know which way, but I'm like,

(38:48):
I think generally on this one, and I was I'll
take that back. I thought more people were going to
agree with Angela. I thought people like overwhelming were going
to agree with Angela. And what I saw was it
was really like people were really like, no, Andrew has
a point, like you make them do every possible thing,
and then other people were like, yes, Andrew is an

(39:10):
institutional we need to like fight, fight, fight, and fire.
And it was really interesting to me to see because
really I was just looking for my name and it
wasn't even there.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
It was all.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
But people had a lot of thoughts and feelings about it,
and I just thought, Wow, what an interesting snapshot. Obviously
it's not an official poll, it's not a scientific pole,
but what an interesting snapshot of where we are in
this moment, that this nuanced argument that you guys were
having these nuanced points that you were making. People felt
so strongly.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
You feel like when we were in it.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
But well, you know, but you know what though, it's
it is the argument and the discussion that people are
having everywhere. They're having it in party out, a party
on the heel, in the Congression offices, and caucus meetings
on their TV. Why arguing with the TV? It is?
It is where we are because people don't know what
to do because again, every formula that you would typically

(40:12):
go to is not working in this moment. I'm gonna
tell you another thing that happened last week we didn't
talk about because it was the same day of our show.
I was in New York. I did breakfast club and
Lenard asked me about Barack Obama and his comments at
this closed door fundraiser. I'm bringing up a point you're
gonna tie right back to Hunter. In this closed door meeting,

(40:34):
Barack Obama said that the Democrats are behaving like cowards, right,
and then the question was what do I think about
what he's saying for me? And I still feel this way.
People dragged me for filth. People who are my friends
went into the comments because they saw the breakfast club
header didn't hear what I said. Just heard that I
said Barack Obama needs to do more or something, which

(40:55):
is not what I said. I made them take that
down and like correct it because I was like this,
this isn't accurate and it's causing more reaping more have it.
It didn't even matter because people were still mad that
you could say, don't you I would say nothing bad
about Barack Obama. Doesn't even have to be bad. It's
just a criticism to me of what is so for

(41:17):
my purview, I'm going somewhere for my purview, I promise
you when you when we go to the Hunter Biden piece.
And the fact that Barack Obama was in the room
having conversations about who should be the nominee and Kamala
Harris was not on his list, I'm aware of that.
It's the fact that Barack Obama does have these meetings

(41:40):
with Washington based journalists ensuring that people are speaking a
certain language and about policy in a certain way. It
is the fact that Donald Trump just this week posts
a video of an AI video of Barack Obama being
arrested in the Oval.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
So when I say that I expect more of them
in this moment that this Nobel Peace Prize winner, where
we would have had the same type of expectations of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa, I should not be dragged
for saying that I expect for you to call fascism fascism, right.
So for me, it's just interesting that in this moment
where we know the again, we know of things that

(42:19):
people don't know. But it's like if you talk about
the man who's on my church fan, if you talk
about the man sleeves up and goes to the rally
smooth saying amazing grace at you know, at at Mother
Emmanuel after this horrible massacre, I can't hold space for
the fact that he does some things well and something's

(42:41):
need correction. And that's frustrating to me.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
You can't say I'm going somewhere. We're like, no, we wherever?
You going on the train with im?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Just like I'll take a minute to get there. That's all.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, I didn't see the clip and so I didn't
see the comments. But I think there is some protection
of Obama, you know, And I think people look for
clickbaits and they enjoy the anonymity of social media to
make these comments.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Sometimes, And I think because I get that on this show,
all of us probably get that on this show, where
it's like, why are you criticizing democrats like MAGA is
the only space that we should be criticizing right now.
And I understand that perspective too. So I'm not faulting
anybody for any of these.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
If we don't do it right now, Lloyd Jesus, another
election is gonna come around and we're still gonna be
in La la land.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
This is, this is my point.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
In the honest conversations. Now, it's too late in an
election cycle.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Precisely Andrew precisely like now, and it is not only
our right but responsibility to critique our leaders.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
And you know Obama Black folks overwhelmingly showed up for Obama.
Black people put this man in office. And I understand
the feeling that there is a debt ode and I
think your frustration with Obama, Angela is the frustration that
many of us have with just us institutions across the board.

(44:13):
It's not just Obama. I mean, you could take that
and go across democratic leadership from our friends and otherwise.
So I my only thing is let's have that heat
for everybody, you know, I mean they were asking you
a specific question, but no, we ought to have that
heat for everybody if you can't stand up. First of all,
anytime we talk about in the news media, on Capitol

(44:34):
Hill wherever, anytime we talk about Steven Miller, who designed
this whole ice plan, it should be introduced that Steven Miller,
the white nationalist who was behind and then go wherever
you want to go. But we should not be talking
about him as though he's not a white nationalist like
because it makes people uncomfortable because it's not the white language.
We should not be talking about Milania Trump ever, and

(44:57):
not talk about the fact that she was a nude
model in a birther y. We it's like it's factually
accurate to say these things. And everyone has capitulated to
a system of whiteness, a system that prioritizes white comfort,
white language, everything. And respectfully to President Obama, who I

(45:19):
think we all love, you know, love and a door,
both he and Michelle Obama. But I think respectfully to them,
there are a significant amount of people who are looking saying, help,
you know, say something. We love your podcast, but we
don't want to hear about you know, some nebulous thing,

(45:40):
when people are dying, when people are being disappeared by
their government, when black women are joining the bread lines.
So it's not it's not so much like we're shitting
on them. We're saying, like, hey, we still need you.
And I don't know if you guys remember that clip
from Michelle Obama when she said that she's done with like,
I'm not gonna endoors another candidate. I'm not going to

(46:02):
get out there on the campaign trail. I don't begrudge
that in her because what I hear is hurt. But
I hear pain and disgust in her, and that is
the feeling I have. So it's hard for me to
hear that. It's because I'm like, girl, I get it,
like I get what I want to, but isn't there.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
I want to separate the two of them, by the way, Okay, fair, fair,
I think they are not in the same bucket.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I agree at all, agree.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
And part because one of them signed up for a thing,
and the others signed up to be a support and
a helpmate and a rib to that thing, to the
man pursuing that thing. And I think she is well,
Lord knows if she don't live now, when will she live? Right?
They are no longer sitting in that oval. She doesn't

(46:49):
have to put up with nonsense twenty four to seven
if she don't want to, and so live your best, better,
bestest life as far as I'm concerned, forever. First, lady,
she did Obama have a different set of expectations for
the man who got in the arena?

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Well, what are your thoughts? And I want to put
this in here real quick.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
She does have an organization though, also called when we
all vote? So is she got us for the right?
So I just wanted to care.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
About But if she decided do none of it, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Saying you volunteer problems. And I'm not saying you gotta,
you gotta endorse candidates, but I beg you to not
just drop a Tiger Woods documentary when this man is
dating a Trump spouse or a former Trump spouse and
like this, and Tiger was just at the White House
for the Black History Month thing.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
For okay, at one time, at once.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
She said, but that's a whole other story. But I
just feel like sometimes when you get into those spaces,
you become so disconnected from community that you missed the
moment did you get to power?

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Okay, what did girl do with Trump?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I talked about this.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Well, she was talking about Bezos. I as soon, yes
they are. No, she was basically given the examples of
these folks in their.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Proximity proximity there.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Are, well they are is.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Like funding a lot of these Uh the this Trump
is like he is a supporter he anyway, that's.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
And if nothing else, he's absolutely complicit in the whitewashing
of the story Washington Post.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
And when Gail got in the camera was like, have
you ever been in space? If you ain't start, we're
going backwards. Fine. I want to hear from Andrew your
thoughts on Obama because I would keep trying. And I
went off, are mad, Andrew?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
They're doing the documentary, but.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Why does she bring on Tiger? And I can't bring
up they're buying the documentary.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Their message to the world right now is y'all better
check out this bio pic.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Okay, fair, I'll get off.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
There are a lot of moments Obama's production company Higher
found Okay, I'm done, what I'm mute?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
And what are your thoughts on?

Speaker 4 (49:20):
But they could do that, they could do that all
day long. I don't have no beef with it because
they were precluded from doing it before, and they're not
the grifters in chief like the Trumps who are sitting
at office uh stilling out loud. You know, Barack and
Michelle the Obama's respectively, are working for that. You know,

(49:40):
they work for the stuff. They earned their stuff. But
should the president again continue to be involved in the
mechanations of what ultimately we're all gonna have to confront,
whether that is who ought to be running in the primary,
who they plan to support, who are they giving legs
to behind the scenes, and then who are they trying
to kneecap behind the scene. If you're going to be

(50:01):
in that level of conversation and maneuvering of our politics,
then my request, you know, would simply be one. I
want you to have as much heat for other communities
as you have for our own when you are when
you do a takedown my brother, and you want to
make a message point clear to us, you know, you

(50:22):
have a way of delivering it and we have a
way of receiving it and then reacting to it. But
I never seem to since that same heat when it
comes to the white liberal elite. When it comes to
the liberal white donors, what they give money to and
how their qualifications are only in the field of having

(50:48):
given to these areas and never in the experience of
having been a practitioner. You think, because you give money
to a politician does not make you an analyst, It
doesn't make you a strategist, it doesn't make you a
campaign manager. It makes you probably a good campaign contributor
and loyal supporter if you can manage that much. And

(51:10):
if you're organizing knocking on doors outside of that, that's great.
But we have given way too much power to this
very liberal elite on the Democratic side, and nobody calls
them to the carpet. I want Hunter Biden from here too,
fourth in those rooms again thinking about ways in which
he can help impact tell the goddamn truth. So yes,

(51:31):
if you're going to be in those rooms, then carry
it with the full weight and responsibility that you have
as a former president and a leader and a visionary
for our party. Two, don't throw no, don't throw no
damn grenades and had your hand. Three Police, please be
honest with the people. Tell them that a thing is
a thing, and that we should not pretend not to
know what we all know. Just call it four.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Andrew Gilliams should be in those rooms every tag. Yeah,
I think, yes, I'm really unfortunate, and this could be
Andrew's choice. I don't know, uh if I'm not volunteering you,
but I do feel like the insight that you have
a ground game, a field game, communication, an understanding of policy.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
If they don't want to hear from me, and let
me tell you why they still are treating my race
like an anomaly. Anytime one of us do something that
is extra than the ordinary, it's treated as culture personality,
very singular and its impact. And we almost always never

(52:44):
ever learn the lessons, the right lessons from a race
like the one that we had, because what did they
do right after is they went right back to the
former Republican dressed them up, you know, as best they
can again as a Democrat, through all the money that
they could at least harness at that time, trying to
out conservative or conservative. And when Republicans have a choice

(53:08):
between the real thing and the fake one, they go
with the real one every time. And I'm also willing
to bet when Democrats who are voters are out there,
when we have a choice between the real thing and
the fake one. We go with the real one all
the time. And so if you're still treating twenty eighteen
in Florida like it was an anomaly, the closest race
we've gotten short of winning, and that they're not important

(53:31):
lessons to take from it, that you're going to revert
every cycle afterwards back to the conservative Democrat, usually white,
usually male model, who is gonna get you thet's say.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
You see, I just want to point out that Tiff
the people where Tiff is agree with what Andrew's saying
so bad they can't hear him in they are amen corner.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
So we just want to shout there, can you hear
the people I'm about to go? Can we take a
quick prou No, I'm getting annoyed, don't do it. I'm
so it's okay, it's gonna be. I couldn't even hear it,
like of all the places you could be like, I'm here,
don't snap it.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
I'm telling you, I'm good. It's good.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I think they can hear you.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Don't snap. You ain't got a five percent left your computer.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Listen. I got Bonnie, and I got Clyde and neither
one of them holes seconds. How dare you give me what.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
They work for? You better use your kids.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
Watch me, watch I'll be right.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Oh my god, look here she goes.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
All right, we can get back to business.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Let me see if you got still recording.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yes, we're recording, and went out and.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Went like that.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
He round, don't, don't don't friends on this damn TV station?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Can I we can. We can cut this if we want.
I would like to know there's something else. We can
cut this if we want. But I would like to
talk briefly about an email that I just saw.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
No, hold on a minute, let's do that in the
mini pod. Let's finish this because one thing, one thing
we want that we want to do. Andrew, I love
what you were saying. I want to go quickly to
the points that I believe Tip was also making about courage.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
You've always don't be sending me these emails if you
don't want to focus. I want to just say that, Andrew,
you've always deepened into courage, and your courage isn't always
loud and screaming on a bullhorn or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Not that you're afraid of a bullhorn either. Our brother
is as a politician, a public servant, and a protester
when he needs to be well.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Continue with our theme of the American justice system, we
turned to the unfortunate scenario unfolding and the death of
Breonna Taylor. Stay tuned for more on that.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Speaking of the protest and deepening into courage, we had
an administration that was willing at least somewhat to challenge
law enforcement, especially when they were wrong. Breonna Taylor's killer,
Brett Hankerson, was just Hankinson. Sorry, I said Hankerson. Hankerson
was sentenced despite the Trump's Department of Justice seeking just

(56:34):
one day, was sentenced to thirty three months in prison
for killing a black woman. And while thirty three months
is not sufficient, what we know is this is the
first time in the federal government's history that it has
ever brought a civil rights violation, a federal civil rights
violation case to a police officer who's killed a black

(56:58):
woman get a significant The sentence sucks, y'all. It is
not sufficient. We should if you take a black woman's life,
you should have to do more than less than three
years in jail, right, But the fact that they were
able to do that and this damn Department of Justice,
Trump's DOJ takes the case over and wants to essentially
get rid of the sentence. What I'm deeping in into

(57:20):
right now is my frustration that it is more than
likely that Donald Trump will pardon this officer. Right, so,
even when you see that we've justice is finally served,
kind of right, because we're still only talking about less
than three years. This is where we are right now.
So I want to talk about the need for courage
and a time like this too, and what kind of
hope can.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
We offer files I just want to my sincere prayer
is that there is not a single person, and certainly
not a single black woman, who decides to make any
meaning of any meaningful nature to the statement that the

(58:00):
Trump administration is clearly sending this racist overture, which is
not even a it's no longer a dog whistle, it's
a bullhorn. They're straight up yelling it from the mountaintop.
This is who we are. Get used to it. The
thing they, of course don't fathom is that we've always
known that was who they were. We were playing along.

(58:23):
But it's exceedingly clear right now that there ain't nothing
about this administration that is intended to protect our human
lives or to in any way value us as living, breathing, human,
contributing members to this society. In the most suspicious and
significant way. They don't care for us. They do not

(58:47):
value our lives. This is not news. I hope for
anybody on the listening side of this, and I hope
that not one of us internalizes what they are attempting
to communicate to us as anything meaning more than what
we've always known it to be. They're diabolical, and so
this is the kind of thing you would expect from

(59:08):
a diabolical people. Is the recommendation that Breonna Taylor's life,
regardless of the fact that this officer fired indiscriminately with
no view into the home through the windows, through the doors,
through the walls, and could have killed anybody, could have
killed anybody, a child in that room, her partner. They

(59:32):
don't value us, but I don't have the expectation that
they ever will. What we have to do is continue
to position ourselves so that we can continue to bend
this moral arc right and hopefully, y'all, we'll be able
to be on the receiving end of our body's work

(59:53):
but like so much as true about our ancestors, most
didn't become beneficiaries of what they labored.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
We've been saying say her name in response to making
sure they don't forget the name of the person whom
they killed. And all we're seeking is for people to
be able to say our name, so we can turn
the corner and enter the room, right to be seen alive.
So I would love to hear your thoughts about you know,
where the judge ended with this sentence and what the
Trump administration was actually seeking with for that one day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Well, what's interesting Hopefully we'll have a guest on soon
in the coming weeks from the DJ from Biden's d OJ.
But what's interesting about this is the way the DJ
has been reconfigured, particularly when you look at the Office
of Civil Rights, but also just through and through even

(01:00:45):
as you look at how they're eroding the US government.
All agencies where there was an overwhelming amount of black
women represented were disproportionately defunded. The DJ where the staff
of people of color I think is like less than
one percent or not less than one percent. I'm sorry,

(01:01:07):
it's mostly white men. They cut funding by less than
one percent at the DJ and they have reconfigured it
to classify white people as the precisely, they have reconfigured
it to classify white people as the aggrieved class. And
so when the sentencing when when initially when they were

(01:01:29):
asking for a one day sentence, I've lost my ability
to be shocked, you know, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.
I we talk often on this show that the courts
will not hold Donald Trump appointed over two hundred, mostly
white men, mostly legally inept people to lifetime appointments. Now

(01:01:49):
Joe Biden surpassed that, so there's some hope. I just
don't know that that is going to save us, and
so I'm not sup any of this. Angela. I've been hearing.
I haven't followed closely, but I have been hearing the
chatter that he will likely pardon this officer. We've also
talked about this with Derek Chauvin, which I know there

(01:02:10):
are state charges there. So I just I can't stomach
all of it. I can't take the incoming all the time.
But the constant message that we're getting in this country
or black women don't matter, our bodies don't matter, and
it's not I'm saying black women in particularly and not
including black men, because we sit at the intersection of

(01:02:32):
the sexism that we see and the racism that we see.
Our bodies do not matter when it comes to health
issues that disproportionately impact black women. Who gives a shit.
There are no funding for that, no pink ribbons for
things that disproportionately impact us when it comes to our income,
our finance level, and for this particular woman, I would

(01:02:54):
encourage anybody if you haven't so, please read what happened
to night Brehanna Taylor was killed murdered. Ton of Haseea
Coats did a great artic. I think it was her
vanity fair. But if you google tan of Hoseea Coats
and Breonna Taylor, he talks to her mom and her
mom walks through what happened that night. Her mom for hours,

(01:03:14):
did not know that her daughter was dead. For hours,
nobody talked to her. She was going from one location
to the next, asking well, can somebody give me an
update on my daughter? Are losing our children doesn't matter.
So these are the things that are making me despondent.
And I just want to add this piece. I wish

(01:03:36):
everybody would read asado with me, because I want to
talk about it all the time. But when Asada Shakur
was in the hospital bed after being falsely accused, beaten, bloodied,
chained to a bed, and these these things still happen.
They still chain black women. If you're pregnant in labor,
doesn't matter, they chain you to a bed. The police

(01:03:57):
officers will come and punch her in her wounds, and
they would also take their fingers and stab her in
the eye with their fingers with a hot substance on it,
so her eyes would burn so she couldn't see. And
there is physical violence that we endure, but what we're
talking about with Breonna Taylor is the structural violence that
we endure. I don't know how we survived this. We
will survive it. Not everybody, though, And that's I keep

(01:04:20):
reminding people of that, like, yeah, we survived, said, well, right,
it's not everybody. We survived enslavement, but not everybody, And
so she was somebody who didn't survive this moment. And
to relive this now, it's just I just I feel
it with so much rage and sadness. Sadness first, and
the sadness falls into a callus of rage. I just

(01:04:40):
I don't know what to do, Guys, I really don't.
I don't know what happens next. What will we do
if they if they pardon the police officer, then then
what comes next? Are we gonna riot again? And I
will tell you this is they eclip it if they
want to. I am a person I believe that riots
are a language that gets a response, and under this administration,

(01:05:02):
I don't know, but I don't know that holding hands
and singing Kumbaya gets the same response as the white
man's money. I'm not encouraging writing because at this point
they can turn the military against us and start shooting.
But I just don't know what where do we take
our outrage?

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
I mean, I think we have to one stop pretending
as normal. I think we have to I think each
of this has to be treated with the level of
seriousness that we feel it. If we had no reaction
to a pardon by this president of this murderous man
of black women, shame on us, because we then create

(01:05:43):
a permission structure by which they can do the shit
again and again and again with no anticipation for a
pushback from us. So no, we have to be righteously
indignant this time and every time, because say their names
mean the names keep changing. A new target, a new person,
a new family, a new child, spouse, mother is impacted.

(01:06:09):
So every time and every time, we have to show
rage every time so that they hear, they so that
they know that they can't keep passing this way with
no pushback. You can't keep doing this thing, thumping us
on the head and thinking that you're not gonna get
pushed in pushing in a thoat next time because they

(01:06:32):
don't consider us. So we we we we, yes, we
must respond, but this response has to be tilted toward accountability.
So however we show our anger. Yes, let's do it,
but we need to know what accountability day is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
And I think who we're throwing and on that sorry
tip on that on accountability day is coming in our
accountability is the show's gonna rap very soon. We got
to new cause of action, but before we get there,
we're to take a quick time out so Tiff can say, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
I was just about to say, can we go because
my computer? So yeah, for those of you know, I'm
gonna hang on until it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Dies, okay, and Tiff is if y'all are watching it
listening at home, tips computers hanging on by very thin thread.
So we're gonna have tips call to action first, just
in case you don't make it through.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
My call to action is just to stay sane, not
to let them steal our imagination. I don't have a
meteor call to action because I've been so caught up
and trying to run from depression and sadness and the darkness.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
And even that is exhausting, you know, It's like you
feel the heaviness coming on. And I am reading less
papers these days and more books and just trying to
spend my time just in in in the light and
not so much in the darkness. So if y'all have
any tips for me or tips that y'all do to
just keep yourself saying these days, I remain open. I'm

(01:08:05):
not a SPA person. They're ready to go to the SPA.
I'm not a SPA person. But anything that you're doing,
that's that's keeping you from stealing on the next person
that says something that's how I feel.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
And just because I have the MIC, I just want
to say a really quick congratulations to the Mario Solomon
Simmons who won his case against the Creek Nation it
was a situation where the indigenous community was denying Black
Creek Nation members membership, and so in this victory, Uh,

(01:08:45):
he's literally saving lives because they will have access to
life saving benefits just as the government is taking them away.
Angela will correct me if I got any of that
wrong legally, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Maria will likely join us next week. Ag what you got?

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I love it? We got it? Okay. My real quick
is I was asked yesterday what is the advice that
I'm giving my sons in light of the latest incident
that was made public It dates back to February but
in Duval County, Jacksonville, Florida, where the young man was

(01:09:25):
roughed up, punched in the face, the police hit out
the window all because he was asking what was legally
allowable for him to ask, which is why you pulled
me over. That's supposed to be the first thing that's
declared when you are stopped, is the reason being given?
And then am I under arrest or resist a citation?

(01:09:45):
And his basic questions were met with the most brutal
attack from law enforcement. And by the way, y'all, this
is all happening under a black republic. Male sheriff, who
is about as bad as the same creatures that he
basically said acted within the authority and the scope of

(01:10:09):
their responsibility as a law enforcement entity. So I would
just say, we have to revisit what advice we are
giving our children. It used to be pretty formed that
we knew how to comport ourselves around law enforcement. And
my cliff knows. Version of what I'm telling my kids
is basically, we're gonna get the justice. You believe that,

(01:10:30):
but in this moment, I need you to survive. And
so these are the things that we're going to pay
attention to for survival, and then Daddy and Mama and
our village will get justice on the other side of
you surviving this incident. And I just would like folks
to revisit this conversation with their children.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Yeah, can I make a request because this is such
a it's all over social media. If we've been talking
about it, I think it deserves more conversation than the CTA.
So maybe this is something we can talk about on
the mini pod or a later episode. But would love
to revisit this because I the pain, even in your
voice Andrew of saying and that so many parents say

(01:11:17):
that like, I just want you to come home. It
doesn't matter what, let me deal with it, you come home.
So I would love to pick that up if we can.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
It is definitely a weighty and emotional topic again, especially
given the backdrop of Breonna Taylor and how that situation
could have gone for mister McNeil junior I believe is
his name. I speaking of the village that Andrew just
brought up. I want to deepen us into what it
means to stand up mutual aid networks. You can start

(01:11:48):
with your neighborhood and your pods. Who are the people
when it all goes down, if the electricity goes out,
that you're going to talk to to make sure that
everybody's safe in your neighborhood, in your family? What are
the phone numbers you know by heart? Where are the
places where you can go see? I can pick BlackBerry's
up my street, but I can't pick much else. So
I got to figure out some other solutions. I want

(01:12:11):
you to think about your neighborhood pods and who has
what gifts and talents? Are there five people that you
can call on who do different things? Is there somebody
who fixes things? Who knows how to be handy if
the electricity goes out. Someone who has a military background
that can help you with some basic survival incincts. Who
can help y'all organize emergency bags to go, a water supply,

(01:12:35):
emergency food. The other thing that I would suggest is
tapping into the local farmers in your area and figuring
out some type of bartering system. This sounds like doomsday, armageddon,
end of the world. And I will tell y'all the
reason why this is top of mind for me is
my mom and I were waiting for my dad to
meet us at this restaurant the other day in Madison

(01:12:58):
Park in Seattle. The electricity completely went out and my
mom looks at me and she says, ang, they attacked
the grid, and she was convinced. Right our phones weren't working,
nothing was working. So what I'm saying to you is
this is closer than it may appear. And again, don't

(01:13:19):
want you to be doomsday, but I do want you
to be prepared. There was a very cheesy, awful slogan
that came from Secretary shirt Off under George Bush, the
first Department of Homeland Security secretary. He said, be prepared,
not scared. This is going to be the first and
last time you ever hear me quote Secretary Churttop. But
I do think that that is indeed the point. And

(01:13:40):
so if we can get prepared and know that we
will survive, Andrew to your point, I think that will
be all right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
I just can I make a quick fact tech you
can tell me if I'm wrong. But I'm pretty sure
Tom Ridge was the first DHSC I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
You're right, You're right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Yeah, I forgot about it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Churchtop was care not here, but he yes, still remember that,
George H. W. Bush. But you're right, and Tom Ridge
is you're correct? My bad.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Yeah, I'm the Pennsylvania governor.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, when you get your bags,
get your best.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
I ain't heard that name shirts off in so long,
and I forgot all about that. That's how old we
get in y'all. Because I'm like, I do remember that.
Just when you're saying, don't be dooms, they don't be scared,
I'm like, I don't know, girl, Like I think we
should be a little well, I think prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
I think that there's a different and maybe this is
just the distinction I should make. I think there's one
thing to be clear eyed about what we're up against.
I think there's another doomsday to me, means well, forget it.
There's nothing we could do. It's just gonna die. Right. Yeah,
whereas I'm saying, no, here are some tactical things that
you can do that mayfield because when I'm saying establish
a mutual aid network, well what does that really mean?

(01:14:49):
So if you can identify five people in your neighborhood,
I'm gonna be honest with y'all. You guys can hold
me account. But this I don't talk to none of
my neighbors. So I'm gonna have some work to do.
But we may be in a situation we got to
lean on each other. So just say, hey, y'all, you know,
I don't know what your gifts are. I can cook,
I don't know. If you guys got one of them
little burners that operate on the fire outside, I can

(01:15:11):
hook y'all up in that regard. I got some cast irons, right, Like,
what can we do? Who was in the military, who
you know, worked for the federal government, it does whatever
it is, Who does how to do cold who got
a satellite phone? Whatever it is? Just find your tribe
and rock.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
With so many people. When we have the doomsday expert
on so many survivalist, survivalist AFRO, so many people afrovivalists,
so many people were saying, No, I'm good, I didn't
fall a long enough.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
No, it's gonna have to take it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
They were not feeling it. I don't have a plan though,
when you when you step up, like I don't talk
to my neighbors. But my only plan Michael here, who
I am?

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
What if you?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Is what I'm thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:16:05):
But I'm so.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Proud and jealous because Michael Harriet. His book is over
a year old, and it keeps popping up on the
New York Times bestseller list. They have never Michael and
his wife have never invited me to their home. They've
never said, Tiffany, come stay with us. And I've been
there about five times now. They are my doomsday plan.
Like I if I can't get on the plane, I
don't know. I'm not to drive, I'm abot to hit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
You have to walk, you like walking Hell, you have
to walk to Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
I will walk, I will walk.

Speaker 4 (01:16:31):
But y'all, it's it's we're saying doomsday because it seems
it seems so rare and like not going to happen
during our lifetime. But you know, as you rightly, I
think we're leading us to Angela the assaults. The attacks
are less militarized, you know, going forward and into the future.
These are these are much more what we might think

(01:16:55):
as benign, but they're logistics. It's airplane and those satellites
being shuttered, and then pilots are not knowing whether they're
going into the sky or into the ocean. It is
traffic signalization that much of it cooperates on a grid system.

(01:17:16):
It's power plants being not shuttered. They can continue to operate,
but all of the calculations around its output are shuttered,
and so you basically end up creating nuclear bombs out
of these facilities that are then generating too much if
they don't have a felt set turn off you're talking about.
I know we're cutting out of here, but I just

(01:17:38):
want folks to know this is not so remote a
set of possibilities as you might think. These are logistical.
It feels like every day benign, But just think about
what happens when you can't get fresh well, you can't
get water out of the water at the sink because
it's been contaminated because somebody manufactured and played with the formulas.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Of twenty people are like, millions of people are going
through that right now, and I know we've got a
hop So I just want to say the doomsday clock,
if you're not familiar, is it's a symbol that represents
the estimated likelihood of some sort of man made global catastrophe.
And a lot of people follow the doomsday clock. The

(01:18:21):
doomsday clock right now says it is eighty nine seconds
until midnight.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
So it shifts.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yeah, it shifts as it assesses threats, and as of
I think January twenty twenty five, eighty nine seconds to midnight.
So on that happy note, thanks, and we'd like to
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Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
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