August 29, 2025 • 20 mins
On the 20th anniversary of the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, Native Land Pod hosts Angela Rye and Tiffany Cross recall the failure of the federal response to that tragedy and make connections to today and the future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome, Welcome home, everybody. It is a somber time as
we remember twenty years ago the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina,
which we all of course know, devastated New Orleans surrounding
areas in Louisiana, and it casts a wide net of
influence over what happened in other states, even from Mississippi
(00:31):
to Texas, of course, so we want to honor that
day today and get into a discussion about what that
moment in time meant for us, how it shaped us,
especially considering some of the devastating policies that are coming
out of the Trump administration that will have a direct
impact on FEMA. So before Angela and I get into
(00:53):
the conversation, I just want to give a few facts
about what happened and what Katrina meant for us. Angela
and I know this is personal to you as well,
because your family hills from Louisiana, so this is definitely
deeply personal. This is a reminder Hurricane Kadrina happened in
(01:14):
twenty two thousand and five, believe it or not. And
it's amazing how fast time has flown by. It devastated
New Orleans. It was just an awful thing that happened.
It was nearly a thousand people died. Nine hundred and
eighty six people died. Not everybody drowned. Only forty percent
(01:36):
of those were Those deaths were due to drowning. Some
people died from just injury and trauma. Some people died
from heart conditions. Nearly half the people who died were
over the age of seventy four, So you think about
our elders who were there. The storm displaced more than
a million people in the entire Gulf Coast region. Many
people returned home, but up to six hundred thousand households
(02:00):
were still displaced a month later. Some people never returned.
Evacue sheltered about two hundred and seventy three thousand people.
FEMA trailers housed about one hundred and fourteen thousand households.
And there's a reason I'm saying that, because I want
people to understand the function of FEMA. New Orleans population
never really quite got back to where it was. It
(02:22):
was at four hundred and eighty four thousand people and
then the year later they lost almost half their population.
They were around two hundred and thirty thousand people, and
then ten years later they were at three hundred and
eighty six thousand people, And that was eighty percent of
what it was. The housing damage in New Orleans alone,
(02:44):
one hundred and thirty four thousand housing units were damaged.
Seventy percent of all occupied units suffered damage from Katrina.
It was around one hundred and fifty billion dollars in
damages and the recovery of funding. A lot of that
came from the federal government. So that just puts I
(03:05):
think some important framing. Angela. I don't know if you
know this. I was actually on ground when Katrina happened.
I was wearing a different hat. I was reporting between
Houston and Louisiana. So I was literally driving back and
forth with a crew covering the displaced children because children
had gotten separated from their parents, and so there were
times I'd have to tell the crew, even though we
(03:27):
were there as journalists to bear witness and report, It's like, yeah,
but we have a car, and these kids are trying
to get to their parents, so we're going to make
room for these kids in our car and take them back.
And we're never supposed to be a part of the story,
but that was a story that I ended up being
a part of, and it was just devastating. Where were
you in two thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Two thousand and five, I had just finished law school
and I was moving to the nation's capital, or at
least really silver Spring Tip, which you could relate to
a little bit. And what is I think, really really
fastating about what happened with Katrina is I feel like
(04:04):
there's always this silver lining with our folks, and so
with Katrina, what we saw was like the resilience of
the black community, especially in the Lower ninth Ward, which
was super susceptible based on the levees breaking and a
lot of maybe folks don't remember that, but when the
levees broke is really where the floods hit and really
(04:26):
put our folks in harm's way.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
The second silver lining was.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
A man or is a man by the name of
Russell Honore is a retired lieutenant general in the United
States Army and he was he was appointed to be
the joint commander, I believe for the Katrina recovery efforts,
and so he I remember seeing this man the Joint
(04:51):
Task Force, Katrina Commander, I remember seeing this man with
this thick New Orleans accent. Like of course, before there
is Chad with Boseman is black panther. There was Russell
Honore and one to see his compassion. After we knew
that George Bush just flew over the damage, surveilling the
damage but not really touching the people. Russell Honore did, well,
(05:14):
Dad on the ground.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So the Dutch can go get another lower for sure.
You can make that happen. I can make it happen
to you.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
One other thing, Tiff, And speaking of the children, I
was dealing with children who are a little bit older.
I was just starting my job at NAFIO, the National
Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education, And you talk
about black people baptizing, you buy fire. My first assignment
was to get on the train to New York where
we were having a press conference with folks like Kevin
(05:40):
Powell and Jeff Johnson and Rakia La Mumba and several others. Wesley,
I can't think of his last name. Don't mean I
love you any less, Wesley, But on what recovery efforts
would look like, particularly for the HBCU community, and so
we were going through all of the damage at Dillard,
at Suno, at Xavier, and how our schools.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Would be able to recover.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Of course, to your point, there was also damage a
schools in other areas, not just in New Orleans, not
just in Louisiana, and we knew that the federal government
was going to wrestle with how it was going to
help these schools recover.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
So that was a part of my first assignment.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
So I ended up having to touch it not only
through the family Wave but also through my new job
responding to the crisis that Katrina was.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
So it is devastating.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I remember Kanye West going on air on that telethon
and surprising hell out of the host and he was like,
George Bush, don't care about black.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Actually, before you say that, let's actually because that's a
moment Angela that really defined that time for a lot
of us. And of course you remember the telethon and
this famous or infamous moment that had all of us
standing still in front of our television.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Let's take a look the destruction of the spirit of
the people of southern Louisiana, Mississippi made up being the
most tragic loss of.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
All doesn't care about black people.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
That was old Kanye Wes we miss.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And I think too though, TI what I think we
know to be true, especially given where we are now
and even the episode we had UH this week George
Bush was a fill in the blank for any number
of presidents and any number of administrations, and it resonated
so deeply because we've felt it since the beginning of time.
(07:43):
I think what is in question now is what has
changed in the way that we would respond, the way
the federal government would respond to a crisis, man made
disaster or a natural disaster that hits black folks. And
I don't know that a lot has changed. That's a
question that I would have actually for Wressell Honore Well.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think one thing we do know that has changed,
and that is the way that the Trump administration has
been gutting FEMA. Just this week, twenty one FEMA employees
have been put on administration or administrative leave for being whistleblowers. Essentially,
they penned an open letter criticizing the administration for gutting
(08:23):
their budgets. They called out HS Department of Homeland Security
Secretary Christy Nome, who is an expert in puppy killing.
By the way, she wants approval over any expenditures of
more than one hundred thousand dollars. Now, we just talked
to you about how much relief went to Katrina. And
(08:44):
my concern about this Angela is that they will start
to use the budget of the federal government. They will
dangle these funds before people in exchange for their loyalty.
And if you happen to live in a district that
didn't overwhelmingly vote for Donald Trump, or in a district
of a member of Congress, he doesn't like or respect
(09:04):
that he is willing to leave people hanging in the balance.
We all remember this hideous, infamous moment when Donald Trump
was throwing paper towels at the people after a hurricane
hit Puerto Rico. So this is what we're facing right now.
(09:27):
And I think when you think about black and brown folks,
folks and tribal territories, it's going to be really, really challenging.
So I'm this is yet another thing that I'm nervous about,
and I think we all should be nervous about it.
And of course, our our good brother Van Newkirk, who
covers climate change and is an editor at the Atlantic
(09:50):
would definitely want us to say the change in climate
invites more hurricanes and more natural disasters, more wildfires that
we're saying, so it feels like we could be headed
towards a very post apocalyptic society described by the amazing
luminary Octavia Butler in some of her fiction writing, that
seems to be coming true all around us. What I
(10:12):
will say about that moment in time twenty years ago,
aside from how quickly time passes, is it put a
spotlight on what black folks already knew, and that is
our suffering is never taken as seriously as white folks suffering.
Another testimony out of that is our good sister Latasha Brown,
(10:33):
who I just adore. Nobody called Latasha and nobody said, hey,
we need help. Latasha just saw people suffering and sprang
into action and was transporting water. And she said that
was one of the hardest lessons she learned. Moving water
is hard work. She was just trying to get two
people to offer them relief. And so just a testament
(10:54):
to the mothers of community. You know, the people who
respond and black men and black women who step up
and when we need help, and our community is so important.
That is how we've always survived, and I hope we
can maintain that. Do you feel like we still have
that sense of community right now because some of the
(11:16):
younger people, I don't know, but you tell me if
I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah, I think, especially in crisis.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
But I do worry because of the like the nature
of social media, if people still feel the same type
of human connection. I think there's something in within us
in crisis where we just know what to do, like
we're not gonna walk by and watch somebody being harmed,
regardless of you know, your age, especially if you was
raised right, you know, you got some good sense about you.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I think.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
You know one other thing that I think about New
Orleans that is deeply spiritual and has become a second
home for me. It's actually where our friend Brittany got married.
It's Studio B. Studio B that's run by our friend
B Mike or Brendan Mike go. And that was a
(12:02):
place that also was born out of Katrina. B. Mike
used to go and paint like on places there were
dilapidated and you know there was just one wall standing left,
but there were these inspirational posts. And there's one thing
in particular in Studio B that says we are still here.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
And it's just a declaration.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That like, no matter what comes our way, like there
is something in us that says we are going to
remain in spite of everything. And I think that even
like the folks who were able to financially sacrifice even
when it was difficult to get back to New Orleans,
they banked on us not coming back. They you know,
(12:43):
were eagerly awaiting the opportunity to take over the ninth Ward.
And even though it has changed significantly, I don't have
the exact stats on how much the Ninth Word has
been gentrified, but what we know is that it does
not look the same as it did pre Katrina. And nonetheless,
(13:04):
the black folks that moved moved to Houston, a good
number then moved back to New Orleans to say we're
still here. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know, another thing I discovered at that time when
I was on ground covering is the huge Vietnamese community
which live in the ninth Ward and surrounding areas, and
how they relied on their community and they were able
to build back. I was able to go for a
(13:32):
part of the five year anniversary after Katrina. I was
with Busy News at the time and took a crew
down there and was able to see there were people
still living in some of the trailers. But I was
able to talk to some of the Vietnamese community there
about how they built back and how they had to
habitate in these multi generational homes and what they did
so look New Orleans means so much to Black people
(13:58):
outside of the connection to Haiti and just the rich
culture there. It's I am glad to see it function today,
but I continue to worry because it is like a bowl,
you know, it is shaped like a bowl, and should
the levies break again, should another natural disaster there happen
under this administration, I don't think we're ready to meet
(14:20):
the moment. But I am just grateful that people, the
people who were able to return, returned, and that people
were so unwilling to just seize their homes and their neighborhoods.
So the people who stayed, we're with you and thinking
of you today. And the people who didn't survive, we
honor what you went through while people sat around and
(14:44):
watched and did nothing.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
And that's the thing we don't have to surrender to that.
What we know is in our power now is to
have demands. Even when you raised earlier tiff about how
this government now sees to dismantle FEMA. I mean, we
had conversations at the Sea ABC Institute's policy conference just
a couple of weeks ago about what is happening with
FEMA and how dangerous that is to Black America. So
(15:09):
we have to think about how we will respond to
crisis if they're not there. And there's an incredible woman,
we should have her on the pod actually at some point.
Her name is Valencia Gunder out of Miami, Judath Brown.
Diana's actually connected us and she is doing incredible work
to get people. The same folks who canvas and knockdoors
(15:30):
during campaigns, she trains them to be first responders in disaster.
And that's the kind of networking we need to be
building in this moment where we don't know how much
the government will be willing to respond what happens if
we are trained, you know, get paramedic training and all
the other things, so we can actually respond in crisis.
We can knock on a door, we can actually help
(15:51):
to save a life. So shout out to Valencia also,
and just.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Shout out to us building infrastructure. You know, it's proven
that we cannot rely on this administration, this government, So
how do we That's something for us. We don't have
the answer, but that's something for us to think about.
How do we build infrastructure and safety, like in addition
to buying generators, Like what is your backup plan if
you can't if your cell phones go down? How are
(16:15):
you you know, do you have an emergency meeting spot?
How are you gonna transport yourself if there are the
gas stations are crowded, you need to get out of town.
All those kind of things are things that we should
definitely start thinking about. So I don't know, guys, it's uh.
I wish that we could say that was a horrible
time and thank goodness that's in our past. But I
(16:37):
anticipate that more challenging times lie ahead. So this is
definitely something for us all to consider. And if you haven't,
I encourage you to go back and watch. We did
an episode with a black survivalist I think she called
herself afro Vivalists. To go back and listen to that
episode of Native lamdpod because she gave some really great
information about things we can do to prepare for the
(17:01):
fall of society. She told come, yes, yeah, Well one
of her rules is you have to have the school
supply to live on the land that she that she
has prepared for herself, and you have to have two
years fool supplies for you and everybody who's with you.
So this is a real ship happening, and we need
to start thinking about these things and taking them seriously.
(17:23):
So just something to think about. But shout out to
New Orleans and thank you to the ancestors for gifting
us Angela who hails from whose family hails from the area.
And that's another thing I didn't know, Angela the pathways
because we're so used to that Chicago Mississippi Corridor and
the northeast. So the Louisiana Pathway to the Pacific Northwest
(17:46):
is something that I was not overly familiar with. Just
somewhere black folks fled.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, California and Oregon and Washington State.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Sure, yeah, so what a rich history. Well, we wanted
to be sure to honor this day. We thank you
guys for joining us in transparency. We were going to
be joined by General Russell Honore who was spread a
bit thin, so unfortunately we did not get to have him,
but we look forward to having him on a future
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episode of Native Lamppod. Sadly, there will be many opportunities
for us to chat with him, especially as we look
to how to prepare ourselves for these type of emergency disasters.
And Andrew had another appointment that he had to get
to one of his kids, so that's why he's not
joining us. But we thank you guys for listening to
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome, Welcome home, everybody. It is a somber time as
we remember twenty years ago the anniversary of Hurricane Katrina,
which we all of course know, devastated New Orleans surrounding
areas in Louisiana, and it casts a wide net of
influence over what happened in other states, even from Mississippi
(00:31):
to Texas, of course, so we want to honor that
day today and get into a discussion about what that
moment in time meant for us, how it shaped us,
especially considering some of the devastating policies that are coming
out of the Trump administration that will have a direct
impact on FEMA. So before Angela and I get into
(00:53):
the conversation, I just want to give a few facts
about what happened and what Katrina meant for us. Angela
and I know this is personal to you as well,
because your family hills from Louisiana, so this is definitely
deeply personal. This is a reminder Hurricane Kadrina happened in
(01:14):
twenty two thousand and five, believe it or not. And
it's amazing how fast time has flown by. It devastated
New Orleans. It was just an awful thing that happened.
It was nearly a thousand people died. Nine hundred and
eighty six people died. Not everybody drowned. Only forty percent
(01:36):
of those were Those deaths were due to drowning. Some
people died from just injury and trauma. Some people died
from heart conditions. Nearly half the people who died were
over the age of seventy four, So you think about
our elders who were there. The storm displaced more than
a million people in the entire Gulf Coast region. Many
people returned home, but up to six hundred thousand households
(02:00):
were still displaced a month later. Some people never returned.
Evacue sheltered about two hundred and seventy three thousand people.
FEMA trailers housed about one hundred and fourteen thousand households.
And there's a reason I'm saying that, because I want
people to understand the function of FEMA. New Orleans population
never really quite got back to where it was. It
(02:22):
was at four hundred and eighty four thousand people and
then the year later they lost almost half their population.
They were around two hundred and thirty thousand people, and
then ten years later they were at three hundred and
eighty six thousand people, And that was eighty percent of
what it was. The housing damage in New Orleans alone,
(02:44):
one hundred and thirty four thousand housing units were damaged.
Seventy percent of all occupied units suffered damage from Katrina.
It was around one hundred and fifty billion dollars in
damages and the recovery of funding. A lot of that
came from the federal government. So that just puts I
(03:05):
think some important framing. Angela. I don't know if you
know this. I was actually on ground when Katrina happened.
I was wearing a different hat. I was reporting between
Houston and Louisiana. So I was literally driving back and
forth with a crew covering the displaced children because children
had gotten separated from their parents, and so there were
times I'd have to tell the crew, even though we
(03:27):
were there as journalists to bear witness and report, It's like, yeah,
but we have a car, and these kids are trying
to get to their parents, so we're going to make
room for these kids in our car and take them back.
And we're never supposed to be a part of the story,
but that was a story that I ended up being
a part of, and it was just devastating. Where were
you in two thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Two thousand and five, I had just finished law school
and I was moving to the nation's capital, or at
least really silver Spring Tip, which you could relate to
a little bit. And what is I think, really really
fastating about what happened with Katrina is I feel like
(04:04):
there's always this silver lining with our folks, and so
with Katrina, what we saw was like the resilience of
the black community, especially in the Lower ninth Ward, which
was super susceptible based on the levees breaking and a
lot of maybe folks don't remember that, but when the
levees broke is really where the floods hit and really
(04:26):
put our folks in harm's way.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
The second silver lining was.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
A man or is a man by the name of
Russell Honore is a retired lieutenant general in the United
States Army and he was he was appointed to be
the joint commander, I believe for the Katrina recovery efforts,
and so he I remember seeing this man the Joint
(04:51):
Task Force, Katrina Commander, I remember seeing this man with
this thick New Orleans accent. Like of course, before there
is Chad with Boseman is black panther. There was Russell
Honore and one to see his compassion. After we knew
that George Bush just flew over the damage, surveilling the
damage but not really touching the people. Russell Honore did, well,
(05:14):
Dad on the ground.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
So the Dutch can go get another lower for sure.
You can make that happen. I can make it happen
to you.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
One other thing, Tiff, And speaking of the children, I
was dealing with children who are a little bit older.
I was just starting my job at NAFIO, the National
Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education, And you talk
about black people baptizing, you buy fire. My first assignment
was to get on the train to New York where
we were having a press conference with folks like Kevin
(05:40):
Powell and Jeff Johnson and Rakia La Mumba and several others. Wesley,
I can't think of his last name. Don't mean I
love you any less, Wesley, But on what recovery efforts
would look like, particularly for the HBCU community, and so
we were going through all of the damage at Dillard,
at Suno, at Xavier, and how our schools.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Would be able to recover.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Of course, to your point, there was also damage a
schools in other areas, not just in New Orleans, not
just in Louisiana, and we knew that the federal government
was going to wrestle with how it was going to
help these schools recover.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
So that was a part of my first assignment.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
So I ended up having to touch it not only
through the family Wave but also through my new job
responding to the crisis that Katrina was.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
So it is devastating.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I remember Kanye West going on air on that telethon
and surprising hell out of the host and he was like,
George Bush, don't care about black.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Actually, before you say that, let's actually because that's a
moment Angela that really defined that time for a lot
of us. And of course you remember the telethon and
this famous or infamous moment that had all of us
standing still in front of our television.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Let's take a look the destruction of the spirit of
the people of southern Louisiana, Mississippi made up being the
most tragic loss of.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
All doesn't care about black people.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
That was old Kanye Wes we miss.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And I think too though, TI what I think we
know to be true, especially given where we are now
and even the episode we had UH this week George
Bush was a fill in the blank for any number
of presidents and any number of administrations, and it resonated
so deeply because we've felt it since the beginning of time.
(07:43):
I think what is in question now is what has
changed in the way that we would respond, the way
the federal government would respond to a crisis, man made
disaster or a natural disaster that hits black folks. And
I don't know that a lot has changed. That's a
question that I would have actually for Wressell Honore Well.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I think one thing we do know that has changed,
and that is the way that the Trump administration has
been gutting FEMA. Just this week, twenty one FEMA employees
have been put on administration or administrative leave for being whistleblowers. Essentially,
they penned an open letter criticizing the administration for gutting
(08:23):
their budgets. They called out HS Department of Homeland Security
Secretary Christy Nome, who is an expert in puppy killing.
By the way, she wants approval over any expenditures of
more than one hundred thousand dollars. Now, we just talked
to you about how much relief went to Katrina. And
(08:44):
my concern about this Angela is that they will start
to use the budget of the federal government. They will
dangle these funds before people in exchange for their loyalty.
And if you happen to live in a district that
didn't overwhelmingly vote for Donald Trump, or in a district
of a member of Congress, he doesn't like or respect
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that he is willing to leave people hanging in the balance.
We all remember this hideous, infamous moment when Donald Trump
was throwing paper towels at the people after a hurricane
hit Puerto Rico. So this is what we're facing right now.
(09:27):
And I think when you think about black and brown folks,
folks and tribal territories, it's going to be really, really challenging.
So I'm this is yet another thing that I'm nervous about,
and I think we all should be nervous about it.
And of course, our our good brother Van Newkirk, who
covers climate change and is an editor at the Atlantic
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would definitely want us to say the change in climate
invites more hurricanes and more natural disasters, more wildfires that
we're saying, so it feels like we could be headed
towards a very post apocalyptic society described by the amazing
luminary Octavia Butler in some of her fiction writing, that
seems to be coming true all around us. What I
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will say about that moment in time twenty years ago,
aside from how quickly time passes, is it put a
spotlight on what black folks already knew, and that is
our suffering is never taken as seriously as white folks suffering.
Another testimony out of that is our good sister Latasha Brown,
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who I just adore. Nobody called Latasha and nobody said, hey,
we need help. Latasha just saw people suffering and sprang
into action and was transporting water. And she said that
was one of the hardest lessons she learned. Moving water
is hard work. She was just trying to get two
people to offer them relief. And so just a testament
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to the mothers of community. You know, the people who
respond and black men and black women who step up
and when we need help, and our community is so important.
That is how we've always survived, and I hope we
can maintain that. Do you feel like we still have
that sense of community right now because some of the
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younger people, I don't know, but you tell me if
I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah, I think, especially in crisis.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
But I do worry because of the like the nature
of social media, if people still feel the same type
of human connection. I think there's something in within us
in crisis where we just know what to do, like
we're not gonna walk by and watch somebody being harmed,
regardless of you know, your age, especially if you was
raised right, you know, you got some good sense about you.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I think.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
You know one other thing that I think about New
Orleans that is deeply spiritual and has become a second
home for me. It's actually where our friend Brittany got married.
It's Studio B. Studio B that's run by our friend
B Mike or Brendan Mike go. And that was a
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place that also was born out of Katrina. B. Mike
used to go and paint like on places there were
dilapidated and you know there was just one wall standing left,
but there were these inspirational posts. And there's one thing
in particular in Studio B that says we are still here.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
And it's just a declaration.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
That like, no matter what comes our way, like there
is something in us that says we are going to
remain in spite of everything. And I think that even
like the folks who were able to financially sacrifice even
when it was difficult to get back to New Orleans,
they banked on us not coming back. They you know,
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were eagerly awaiting the opportunity to take over the ninth Ward.
And even though it has changed significantly, I don't have
the exact stats on how much the Ninth Word has
been gentrified, but what we know is that it does
not look the same as it did pre Katrina. And nonetheless,
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the black folks that moved moved to Houston, a good
number then moved back to New Orleans to say we're
still here. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know, another thing I discovered at that time when
I was on ground covering is the huge Vietnamese community
which live in the ninth Ward and surrounding areas, and
how they relied on their community and they were able
to build back. I was able to go for a
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part of the five year anniversary after Katrina. I was
with Busy News at the time and took a crew
down there and was able to see there were people
still living in some of the trailers. But I was
able to talk to some of the Vietnamese community there
about how they built back and how they had to
habitate in these multi generational homes and what they did
so look New Orleans means so much to Black people
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outside of the connection to Haiti and just the rich
culture there. It's I am glad to see it function today,
but I continue to worry because it is like a bowl,
you know, it is shaped like a bowl, and should
the levies break again, should another natural disaster there happen
under this administration, I don't think we're ready to meet
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the moment. But I am just grateful that people, the
people who were able to return, returned, and that people
were so unwilling to just seize their homes and their neighborhoods.
So the people who stayed, we're with you and thinking
of you today. And the people who didn't survive, we
honor what you went through while people sat around and
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watched and did nothing.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
And that's the thing we don't have to surrender to that.
What we know is in our power now is to
have demands. Even when you raised earlier tiff about how
this government now sees to dismantle FEMA. I mean, we
had conversations at the Sea ABC Institute's policy conference just
a couple of weeks ago about what is happening with
FEMA and how dangerous that is to Black America. So
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we have to think about how we will respond to
crisis if they're not there. And there's an incredible woman,
we should have her on the pod actually at some point.
Her name is Valencia Gunder out of Miami, Judath Brown.
Diana's actually connected us and she is doing incredible work
to get people. The same folks who canvas and knockdoors
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during campaigns, she trains them to be first responders in disaster.
And that's the kind of networking we need to be
building in this moment where we don't know how much
the government will be willing to respond what happens if
we are trained, you know, get paramedic training and all
the other things, so we can actually respond in crisis.
We can knock on a door, we can actually help
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to save a life. So shout out to Valencia also,
and just.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Shout out to us building infrastructure. You know, it's proven
that we cannot rely on this administration, this government, So
how do we That's something for us. We don't have
the answer, but that's something for us to think about.
How do we build infrastructure and safety, like in addition
to buying generators, Like what is your backup plan if
you can't if your cell phones go down? How are
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you you know, do you have an emergency meeting spot?
How are you gonna transport yourself if there are the
gas stations are crowded, you need to get out of town.
All those kind of things are things that we should
definitely start thinking about. So I don't know, guys, it's uh.
I wish that we could say that was a horrible
time and thank goodness that's in our past. But I
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anticipate that more challenging times lie ahead. So this is
definitely something for us all to consider. And if you haven't,
I encourage you to go back and watch. We did
an episode with a black survivalist I think she called
herself afro Vivalists. To go back and listen to that
episode of Native lamdpod because she gave some really great
information about things we can do to prepare for the
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fall of society. She told come, yes, yeah, Well one
of her rules is you have to have the school
supply to live on the land that she that she
has prepared for herself, and you have to have two
years fool supplies for you and everybody who's with you.
So this is a real ship happening, and we need
to start thinking about these things and taking them seriously.
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So just something to think about. But shout out to
New Orleans and thank you to the ancestors for gifting
us Angela who hails from whose family hails from the area.
And that's another thing I didn't know, Angela the pathways
because we're so used to that Chicago Mississippi Corridor and
the northeast. So the Louisiana Pathway to the Pacific Northwest
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is something that I was not overly familiar with. Just
somewhere black folks fled.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Yeah, California and Oregon and Washington State.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Sure, yeah, so what a rich history. Well, we wanted
to be sure to honor this day. We thank you
guys for joining us in transparency. We were going to
be joined by General Russell Honore who was spread a
bit thin, so unfortunately we did not get to have him,
but we look forward to having him on a future
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episode of Native Lamppod. Sadly, there will be many opportunities
for us to chat with him, especially as we look
to how to prepare ourselves for these type of emergency disasters.
And Andrew had another appointment that he had to get
to one of his kids, so that's why he's not
joining us. But we thank you guys for listening to
Angela and I and again, please, if you like what
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Even if we're saying, well you misheard or let me
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for sending in those videos. Well that wraps it up.
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I think thanks for tuning in shared the episode. I
am Tiffany Cross here with Angela Rai and keep in
mind what's happening today with FEMA as you reflect on
what happened twenty years ago. We will leave you. For
those of you watching us, we will leave you with
these images. Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Thank you for joining the Natives attention of what the
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connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.
Thank you, sincerely for the patients reason for your choice
is cleared.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
So grateful it took the OA to execute roads.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Thank you for serve, defend and protect the truth, human
and pat We welcome.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
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