Rent Is High, Rights Are Low

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, well, come.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Welcome, Welcome home, you guys.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is episode eighty seven of Native Lamb Pod. I
can't believe it is eighty seven already. We are here
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(00:31):
You who we try to include in all of our
all of our topics. All right, speaking of topics, what
we got today?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
What y'all got?

Speaker 4 (00:38):
What's up? What's up Angela? What you got for him?

Speaker 5 (00:41):
Well, we have a guest I'm excited about Elizabeth A. Booker.
Now he's about to mess it up. Elizabeth Booker Houston.
Booker squared is what she goes by on Instagram and
on TikTok, and y'all have known her for her legendary
takedowns and breakdowns of all things politics. I'm thrilled to
be shared space with her today.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'm excited to hear from her. I don't know her
that well.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
You and Angela, you and Elizabeth work together a lot closely,
so I'm excited to hear what she has to say.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
I google stalked her a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I know her work, but I did google stock her
a little bit, So I'm excited to hear from her
and connect with her.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Andrew, what you got?

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, So I want to talk about really an all
two silent crisis right now affecting so many people across
the country, and that's the affordability of housing. And really
this will be a preview to the topic because I
think we'll do a follow up, hopefully involving more of
our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh good, Okay, I have something on that. I have
a lot to say on that. Well, for me, what
I got is the viewers. I yield my time this
week because I wanted to hear from the viewers, which
I think is most important. And we want to remind
you guys, if you have a comment question, even when
you disagree with us, we welcome it. This is not
a conversation at you, but a conversation with you, So
please keep sending us your videos questions. We like to

(01:54):
see your lovely faces. And like I said, we welcome
disagreement here as well. All right, let's get into it.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
What's up Native landis is Craig and Brooklyn. I just
wanted to say happy summer, and I wanted to chime
in on your discussion about books. I'm so glad you
talk about books. Someone told me once that the way
that I make meaning is through words. Many of us
love words, whether we are hearing them or reading them,

(02:28):
or you know, our grandmothers are speaking to us.

Speaker 7 (02:31):
So I mean just the importance of the word.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
So with that being said, I want to recommend the
book by Clint Smith called How the Word Is Passed.
Brilliant book. His brother takes a tour through all of
the plantation sites in the American South, increased this beautiful
narrative about how those sites contribute to our history today.

(02:56):
And the funny thing is I read that book right
after I read sixteen nineteen. The two together was a
very powerful experience.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
So I would recommend that as well.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
Welcome home, y'all, Angela Fifth Andrew love you guys as always.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I love that sounds of the city, you know, And
I wanted to tell you, guys, I felt bad because
I was telling y'all, I don't think that listening to
books is really reading, and Andrew You're like, yeah, if
you're not an auditory learner. And then I felt bad
because a lot of people were dming me and saying like,
I agree with you, and I try to tell my

(03:33):
kids that all the time. And then I'm like, no,
your kids might be, you know, auditory learners, like just
because I read and process things a different way. So
it was it just changed my perspective. But I do
appreciate this caller. First of all, Craig was kind of cute.
Thank you, Craig.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Craig, I heard my friend visits New York every now
and again.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
I knew that he was gonna because he had his
little stroll, like his little gangstery yeah going. I knew
he was trying to be cute. And then Tiff went
for the bait. Tiff said, what's what your phone number is, Craig,
and what's the last name, because we're gonna vet you.
Tiff might not vet you, but we're gonna We're gonna
We're not gonna google stock, but we're definitely gonna do

(04:14):
a background check you.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Antel Is craggs now girlfriend about to be.

Speaker 8 (04:21):
My name is like, I just want you to know
native welcome, you not welcome to my home.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Okay, or these natively listeners, these ladies might see Craig
Crags dms might might be lit up. But thank you
black man for walking down the street looking beautiful.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
To send another question next week.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
This time he's gonna be topless running.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I just wanted to say, anyway, thank you Craigs
for your kid.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
In speaking of guys, the.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Clint Smith, we should have them on. Sorry, and should
you know.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
What you said of how many guys ask question she's
compared to our women listeners. And I think it's actually prettyparity,
Like we get a good balance between really adversity of
listeners sending in race wise, gender wise, and so on.
So that's cool.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah, should you have one white person is sending questions
what you talk about?

Speaker 4 (05:17):
No, we've had no, we had two, one from Washington State.
We got the brother in Georgia. Uh, white white guy
in Atlanta.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
South Carolina. Yeah, okay, true, true, definitely rob so.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
True true true. Okay, another question now period in the statement.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Well everybody white friend, we have boyfriends.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
We got you know.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I hope you'll continue to send in your questions and comments.
And I just finished dream Count by the way, by
Tim and Monday id e t I pronounce her name,
But I'm going on next to a side of Shaqueur
and angela ry recommendation that is next on my list,
So thank you for that.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
All right? If you never read the autobiography of aid
No when you when you said it on the O,
I was like, you know what, I haven't read that.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
I'm going to read that next love. I already know.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
They're gonna come back next week with an Afro Andrew.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
You don't know if it's a good idea for me
to read it as militant as I feel these days,
but I'm glad to I'm gonna read it.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
You're gonna want to go, You're gonna want to go
find her in Cuba, and you definitely gonna want to
get her off. The FBI's most one of this. Now
good luck in this environment, but you're gonna.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Hey, it might be a friend of your environment than
you think.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Nah, not for her, not for her, not for sis this.
These people are they trying to put us on there?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I mean, yeah, but you know we're present day threats.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Well, before we get to the present day threats, of
which there are many, we have another viewer question.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Let's roll at.

Speaker 9 (06:40):
Native's Land podcast. Let me make sure I get the
name right so Angela does not chew me up again.
And also number two, she chewed me up last time
because I have a baby in the background, you know,
running around in the van while I needed to get
this video out. But my name is Tiana, and I'm

(07:02):
from Pittsburgh, and I love that Tiffany and Andrew mentions
Game of Thrones. I'm a huge Game of Thrones fan
and that makes me wonder too sometimes while I'm watching it.
It's the current administration under Queen Circe or King Jeoffrey.
I know for sure though they're Lanisters. Those are Lanisters

(07:26):
in the office.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
I just want to know.

Speaker 9 (07:29):
Your thoughts on it.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Lighting it up a little bit, peace and have a wonderful.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Day, y'all.

Speaker 9 (07:35):
I love.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Did I really yell at her about having.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Her in the driver seat? It looked like, you know,
but can I can?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I just say, I want to make this very clear,
none of us are ever like chewing anybody out for
real real, It's all love. It's like when you go
to a family reunion and you, you know, played a
dozens like whatever.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Feel okay, all right, I'm still mad.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
At the guy from saying Angela miss crossed. Do you
know people were doing that to me?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
At essence, I just thought, I really did think he
felt familiar.

Speaker 8 (08:11):
With people thought it was funny, and they sided with me.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Tip.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
They were like, hey, where's miss crossing? They thought it
was so funny.

Speaker 8 (08:19):
I thought it was.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
I took it as he felt close enough to you.
Uh to use your first name. What people use your
first name is usually out of familiar I want us all.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
I had a saying that either we are on the
first name basis or we all miss or miss. That's
how I feel about it. I'm never chewing out. I'm
never chewing anybody out about kids. I'm saying this part
because I don't know nothing about Game of Thrones, so
let me take my moment on this. I'm never chowing
anybody else about your children. We welcome the kids. You
can have your kids on the thing to say hello,

(08:49):
we love the kids. Tiff loves the kids, and she
loves the dogs. Andrew loves the kids. Wait, wait, Andrew.
Andrew does not love the cats, but he loves you know.
If you don't know what that's about, go back some episodes.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Go back and watch the awkward moment episode, especially for.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
It is.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, don't watch this is not one for the kids.
Do we remember the name of that episode. I don't
remember the name of it.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Oh it was Community Peen. I know that.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, tis only only fans.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yes, Angela said that on the show. She said, I
know we were about to hear some to be porn. Anyway,
y'all can go back and find that episode.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
AnyWho.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay, because angel doesn't watch Game of Thrones, I we
will make this brief. I so I disagree Tiana with
the choices that she gave. I think they are not
Lantis because you know, you remember that each show you thought,
man like, these are the worst.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
People were always the worst.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Though, well, hear me out. Thirsey Lanister was awful. She
birth king Jeoffrey. Jeoffrey Lanister was awful, and you just thought,
you know, how could I hate these people more? And
then we met Ramsey Bolton. So I'm gonna say the
Trump administration is Ramsey Bolton on steroids. They were methodical,

(10:23):
and how they broke down theon gray Joy and I
think that is the equivalent of what we're seeing the
Trump administration due to our society right now, Like they
have him up on the thing, you know, where they
had him like stretched out, Like that's what it feels
like the Trump administration is doing to our society. I
would say they're Lanister is just for the subtext of incests.

(10:45):
You know, this very weird lust that this president seems
to have for his own daughter. People forget about that
because it's been so much mess. So that's where I
would say they're like the Lanisters, but in terms of
their cruelty and the imagination of their cruelty, on their
sub human treatment of people that we've seen from the
iced deportations to these concentration camps that they're building, to

(11:06):
how they're how the Big Beautiful Bill is going to
impact people with their medicine and medicaid. I would say
they are the scum of Winterfell. Uh, the North remembers
will always remember, So I say they're Ramsey Bolton. And
I invite Angela to Binge because it is an interesting show.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
I'll yeah, I like you did something creative there, But
she did say keep it light for him.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I mean, if there's a lot of parallels.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Here, there are there are, I'm gonna take a slight exception.
I do think at the core there are lanisters, because
I think there is a thread that runs through particularly Circe,
but her Daddy, Circe and Jeoffrey I think are the
three worst of the Lanisters. I'm gonna push this one
and say, Queen Denaris last episode crazy hit and in

(11:56):
the sense that they took to fire and burned it
all down, like it's not just one, that the enemy
is not one, right, like she she could have had
the enemy as one if the intention was simply to
take out the castle, right, but when they really took
stock of it and sat into themselves, when she set
into who she is, just as the Trumps, now that

(12:18):
he knows who he is, what he's gotta do the
second Trump two point zero. The man took fire to everybody,
and everybody's in the receiving end right now, innocent poor
middle rich well healed and not healed at all. So
I'm sticking with.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
It, Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
I thought I have.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Such an issue with this that I have to just correct.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
She went crazy. I'm sorry, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I don't know at the time.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Nope, at the time when I saw it, I thought,
what the hell, Like de Naris has gone crazy. I
will tell you I've since revisited because I think her
entire point was and I think there's a parallel here.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
In DC.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
There are some innocent people, there are some good people.
But if I'm trying to eradicate evil, and it's like, well,
you can eradicate evil slowly over time, or you can
just blow this bitch up in one fell Jakaris, I
don't know what I'm choosing, Like I might think, yeah,
if you want to make an omelet, you gotta crack
some eggs. And so now seeing the Trump administration, yeah,

(13:20):
since seeing what they're doing, I do kind of I
understand her more because it was like I to leave
you all. It's like Trump can die, but trump Ism
will live, and so you still have like all these
young people who adopt his ideology. You still have all
of these people across America. Everybody's like, oh, I think
the election was stolen. I hope so, because I if

(13:40):
it wasn't, then that means there are nearly one hundred
million people in this country who supports what this man
is doing. And so I do kind of understand when
she said, you know what, and they were telling her,
and she was looking down at all the people, like
some of y'all rock with me, but most of y'all
don't your card and burned everybody.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
But you're taking it to mean that she used the
fire to eliminate evil, And I'm suggesting she she used.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
The fire to eliminate the people who were not loyal
to her. So her reasoning may have been.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Bad, right, And by the way, should leaders look for
people who are loyal to them or people who are
loyal to the larger, greater vision, larger cause, larger. You're right,
and so way, and the Trumps are in parallel alignment
in the sense that what they were looking for was
feilty to the individual. Denarius at the end of the

(14:32):
day wanted filty to her. And at different points we
saw different parts of her where it seemed that she was,
you know, for the greater good, the greaterst good, for
the greatest number. And then I think is she got
again closer to the throne and more healed in her seat.
The real true Uh style of leadership came forward and

(14:54):
I think Trumps are the same way, and their fire
is not to eliminate the the enemies. Their fire is
to eliminate anyone who would stand in their way. All
the institutional structures that are built to hold them accountable.
They want to extinguish them. And so I'm Queen de nerus.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
All right, well, I will leave it to the audience.
Y'all let us know, because one thing I do miss
is after every episode the Game of Thrones, all the
black people.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
With them thrones.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Them thrones was the best thing that ever happened to
us as a community. So I am reigniting them thrones.
Jakaris setting fire to this discussion. Audience, do you all
tell us who are the trumpministration? Did you agree with
denars Uh and the way that she handled it? Did
we support John Snow of taking out Denares And if anybody,
if any one of you all hits me with spoilers,

(15:41):
please no spoilers.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
I'm gonna clown you so hard.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yes, right, this show is like ten years old now,
and I don't really respect you binge watchers because we
had to suffer through each week after the we had
one wait seven days, right, But if you want to
binge watch and ketch up Antel has already shook her head. No,
but if some of y'all want to binge watch Angela,
you I promise you will not.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
You will not reguise.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
The problem that you have for me is I do
not like blood and gore and the one that I
saw somebody got castrated. Yes, I don't see that.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Okay, okay, so every episode is not blood and gore.

Speaker 7 (16:20):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
But here's the thing. If you could tell me which
ones to avoid, oh lord, if you tell me which
ones to avoid, I'm down. But if you can't, I
just know it all like Sinners, I had to keep
looking like, oh.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
It was that you took this g O t this
got real series with I was going to be real
lighting you like, nah, this is it.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, there are so many parallels in the series.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
But we're moving on.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
We're moving on. We're moving on.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
When when, if, and when Angela beingjwack is we can
revisit this conversation, but I definitely want to.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Hear the thoughts from you. Okay, okay, just feel like
my foreign policy lessons.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Okay, well let's get domestic and if I.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Okay, everybody. We'll be right back after we pay some bills.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
And I know that we're gonna try to revisit this.
We will revisit this topic around housing. But I don't
know about you and Tiff and Angela, but from friendship
circles or extended friendship circles to reading articles, people constantly
talking about housing availability where they live, whether that's in Atlanta,

(17:40):
in the city proper that is going through its own
regentrification and a mass exodus of people who have always
lived in the urban core now having to try to
find a place that they can afford outside the urban center,
which again creates multiples of problems. Angela, I don't know
if you've seen the Seattle data on affordability of housing,

(18:02):
but some of our most prosperous cities in the country
are also where we're finding the greatest exacerbation of the
lack of affordable owners home ownership as well as rental.
And what's really problematic about this is I think America
by and large has had this idea that the people
who are without a home are the ones who deserve

(18:24):
to be without a home. They're the people who are
addicted somehow, They're the people who don't work and are
basically waiting for the government to take care of them.
But undeserving folks, right, I take exception with that. I
think housing is a human right and everybody should be housed,
and we ought to have policy directed toward making sure
that we've got folks who are housed. But people do

(18:46):
make convenient places in their mind where they think it's
okay for people to be without a home. And now
what we're seeing is that people who are getting up
every day and going to work a job, people with children,
married couples who together pooling their resources, still are not
able to afford to live in and in many of

(19:07):
these cities. And what I'd love for us to explore
and and and delving further into this one is what
are our listeners experiencing. I'd love to hear wherever you
are in the country, o' good enough. I was surprised Alabama,
Lower Alabama UH is experiencing its issues around housing affordability.
Who would have ever thought, right, And no offense to anybody,

(19:30):
but just knowing, you know, having relatives there and visiting
that just wasn't That wouldn't have been my first guest.
But wherever you are around the country. If you've got
experiences that you want to share, make a video express
what the conditions seem to be like, what you think
are contributories to the issue. We'd love to hear from
you here at Native Lampid and then try to get

(19:50):
to some of the reasons why. I will tell you
with the with the rise of all of these equity
uh firms that are basically pulling a non less money,
to include a lot of that anonymous money coming from
people's pension funds that are being invested on Wall Street,
much of the housing market right now has been taken
over by by these by these very discreete almost anonymous

(20:13):
funding sources that are buying it up. And they have
no relationship to the cities, no relationship to the community,
no care for anything other than getting their money. And
if that means expelling you, putting you and your kids
out because you're late two days with the rent, they'll
do it. So I think, y'all, I know you both
are in cities that probably experienced this u DC tiffany

(20:37):
that again some of the highest incomes in the region,
but also one of the most extreme divides between those
who have and those who have not even in my
own city, y'all. I will testify that we have our
own issues, Florida being one of the top three places
where you cannot afford to live, whether it's rental or

(20:58):
buying a home. And I'll tell you, for our our community,
the biggest transfers of wealth for us has largely been
between the passing of our real estate, our homes that
we've owned and poured into. When I was on tribe,
my uncle called me, who was in real estate himself,
and said, son, I know this legal bill is going
to be a lot, but the last thing you can
consider it, in fact, you cannot consider it at all.

(21:19):
It's taking out another mortgage on your home or putting
your house up in any way, shape or form. That
is for you, that is for your family, that is
for your kids, And the fact that people don't have
that to look forward to increasingly in our country is
very problematic, but especially for our community.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, you know, I have to be honest with you, guys.
There are parts of adulting that I do really well
and there are parts that I don't. And when it
comes to home ownership, that's probably one. I bought my
first house when I was twenty seven. I really wanted
to buy a home by the time I was thirty,
because that's what we were told, that's the American dream,
and that's how you wealth build. Unfortunately, I bought this

(21:58):
house at the height of the house crisis in two
thousand and seven, and ten years later I found myself
underwater in my mortgage. I was living far out, and
so I used to live far out. I was in
like way out Silver Spring, not downtown Silver Spring, but
way out Silver Spring. But I remember when you had
your house out that like townhouse. I remember head to

(22:21):
get thirtieth birthday party there. And but my point is
none of us were living in the city, you know,
the the hot area, and I just hated being out there.
My whole life was in the city, and I had
this incredibly tortuous commute. I was spending three hours each day,
an hour and a half in traffic going back and forth.

(22:41):
And one day I blew up my entire life and
I just came home and said, I don't live here anymore.
And I called my realtor and explained to her, and
she said, well, someone's feelings is going to get hurt
in this.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's going to be yours or it's going to be
the banks.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
And I was like, I said, the bank so fast,
I don't give it, Damn the bank. I'm standing out
here miserable for these three little numbers, and now ten
years have coming gone, and I think about what people
have gone through, what the housing crisis did to black
wealth in this country, and we never really corrected for it.
And this was on top of decades of redlining and

(23:13):
housing policy that just you know, decimated our chance at
this American dream. So I'm not an expert here. I
really hoped of viewers take you up on that, Andrew,
and send in your stories, because our friend Latasha Angela
went through similar things looking for a house in Atlanta.
People here in New York are offering, you know, two
hundred thousand over the asking price just to be able

(23:35):
to afford a place. I didn't even know what was
going on in Seattle. So this seems to be something
that's happened that's affect impacting all regions of the country.
So I'll have more questions for you guys about it
than I do answers. But I wanted to get a
little testimony just so y'all can be encouraged. Don't be
embarrassed by your problems, because I'm telling y'all, I did
a short sale on my home and walked away from
it in service to my peace, and I haven't regretted

(23:58):
since at all.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Yeah, I I you know, it's funny tip because you
brought up my thirtieth birthday party. I lived in Boui Bouie, Maryland,
and was so excited to buy my first house and
I wanted to do it also by the time I
was thirty, So how I celebrated my birthday was with
that house. And what is so crazy is, you know,

(24:25):
people talk often about financial literacy being something that we
really need, but one of the things we learned on
the tour is that even when you're financially literate and
you do have all the tools, if you still don't
have the resources, your literacy means nothing because you don't
have the capability or the capacity to do the things
that you need to do. I, however, was both financially

(24:46):
ignorant and didn't have all the capacity because I was
working on the hill. I had a lot of tools
that a lot of folks didn't have, Like you know,
the Congressional Federal credit Union.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I had.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Ways that I could borrow against my retirement, which is
part of the reason why what happened with Maryland was
so inflammatory to me. But I did those things and
then still now found myself kind of house poor because
I wasn't making enough money to pay for the mortgage,
didn't realize all the HOA fees. There was some other
like random ass water feed five thousand dollars that they

(25:20):
would pop up every now and then, and I got
to the point where I was also really frustrated living
in the house. I got a loan modification because on
the hill you get exposed to these things because banks
wanted to release you know, members and their staff and like,
even though it was supposed to be further constituents. I
was like, let me tell you something real quick, I
actually need one of these too, And so I got

(25:42):
my loan modified, and I felt myself really resenting my
realtor and the person who structured my bank loan, because
there were a lot of things they did that weren't helpful.
The realtor and the lender were married, and so they
did what was necessary, yeah, to help each other, but
not necessarily to help me. So again this is where
literacy meets lack of resource. I'm trusting who's right there

(26:05):
because I'm like, well, I just know I need to
hurry up and close on this house. Saying all that
to say, I wish that somebody would have told me
that the only way that there's more than one way
to reach the American dream. And some of that is
by eliminating debt, not creating new debt. Some of that
might be investing in different things in your furro one
k and putting more money in there. Like what I've

(26:26):
learned over the last couple of years. You know, my
furro one k has almost tripled its value having the
right broker, the right financial advisor. So there are all
these things that I've learned from trial and error. All
I would ask, just like Tiff just did, is please
learn from the words of my testimony, so you do
not dare repeat these things at home. And if you
find yourself I'm in a situation where desperation has come in,

(26:49):
or where your hard hit, or where you don't know
how you're gonna make ends meet, please don't be afraid
to speak up, because you will be astonished by the
number of people who are in the exact same situation
and trying to figure out how to pay rent or
how to try to figure out how to pay the
mortgage and that h o a fee, trying to figure
out what we'll suffer trying to pay tax that on
top of that, you got to lean on your house.

(27:10):
I had that too, right, So there are all of
these things that come up and we don't know how
to get out of it because we haven't learned the
different tools to use to apply them in the process.
That's it, rent is too damn high and then fix it.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Across the country and.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
A protections and it's interesting guests coming up. Has also
dealt with housing uh insecurity and actually impacted her health
living in substandard housing when she was growing up to
get asthma.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
And yes I did learn this by Google stalking her.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Call it stocking.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Don't go anywhere, guys, because on the other side of
this break, we're going to bring in an amazing guest,
Elizabeth Booker Houston.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
You don't want to miss this, y'all.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
Think my husband will buy me when they get Brother
of the thirteenth.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Of Okay, everybody, we are thrilled to be joined by
the good sister Elizabeth Booker Houston. She is a stand
up comedian. She is an attorney. She is a mama,
she is a wife. She is Trump's arc enemy, and
she also works for her man steal in the administration.

(28:35):
I don't know how she keeps her day job, but
she keeps her day job. I'm gonna remind him every day.
She's the biggest forget bone thugs in harmony. We got
Elizabeth Booker Houston thugs in harmony, and she is making
it happen every single day on social telling us what
it is, debunking misinformation, and she does it with the smile,

(28:55):
with brilliant and with zest. Y'all can't even stand this. Elizabeth,
thank you for joining us.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
Well, thanks y'all, thank you for having me. It's nice
to see you again. Andrew and Angela and Tiffany. We
did not get to meet last time, but I know
I'm excited to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
She missed a flight.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
She was Tiffany, remember Andrew, she was Tiffany.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
And Jael got canceled. I know I was saying Tiffany
got canceled, so I hate that I haven't.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
But I will tell you I am familiar with your work, Elizabeth,
and I.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Love what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I say this on the show Alis, so angel has
heard this before. But I just I have a level
set respect for people who went to law school because
I think everyone I know anyway who went to law
school has a different way of thinking.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
It seems to be more linear.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's also more concise, like you know, bullet pointed for me,
and I always tell young people like, yeah, go to
law school because you don't have to be a trial attorney.
You don't have to you know, practice law at a firm.
There are so many careers. You can be a policy
person and you can also be a stand up comedian.
But I will say the whole right now, the whole

(30:03):
idea and concept of being in law school in America
to learn a constitution that we are understanding is pretty
much meaningless going forward.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Has I think put some question marks on a lot
of us.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
So you and Angela both went to law school. I'm
just I don't even know if I have a question.
I'm just not what that even means these things.

Speaker 7 (30:24):
I'm going to tell you. It's a struggle because I'm
also a law professor, so having to teach my students,
you know, I just I told my two l's and
three l's this past semester. I was just like, I'm
so sorry the y'all are still in these unprecedented times,
because it just seemed like every week whatever I had
to teach them did not apply. There's this Supreme Court
case called Chevron, because I focus on administrative law and

(30:46):
food and drug law. Like you said, there's a lot
of different ways to be a lawyer. I don't practice.
I did a hot minute in court and I did well,
but I was crying all the time. So I was like,
this is not for me. So I came to DC
as a regulatory council in the FDA as a fellow
under that man in the White House back in twenty seventeen,
and I teach a lot of administrative law and Chevron

(31:08):
was like the big case for forty years. Yeah, and
it got overturned last summer. So I didn't know what
to do with my whole first two lessons for the
semester because I'm like, I don't know what I have
for y'all. So it's just been really very much trying
to keep up with what's going on and flying by
the seat of my pants. A lot of times.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Well, because you brought up the Chevron case, can you
just give us a quick breakdown of that. This was
a huge blow to environmentalists. I remember our friend Van Newkirk,
a writer with The Atlantic, was covering this case. I
could attempt to give a breakdown, but you'd probably do
it a lot better.

Speaker 7 (31:42):
I can try, so. Chevron deference basically said that administrative
agencies that's the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, all of
these federal agencies that are under the executive branch, but
they're given their authority from Congress.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Right.

Speaker 7 (31:55):
They said that if they are interpreting an ambiguous statue,
so the Food and Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, that's
what gives the FDA its power. That's the statue that
created the FDA. That's the authority that the FDA works under.
If there is something ambiguous in there that has to
do with, say, regulating tobacco, because that's one of the
things that FDA has regulatory power over. They have said

(32:18):
that Chevron difference means that the agency's interpretation gets difference,
meaning that the court's got to listen to them. And
it made good sense because the whole reason these agencies
exist is these are the experts, the scientists, the doctors,
all the people that Congress is definitely not and so
that's the whole reason these agencies exist because you know,
Congress can't pass or the least they shouldn't be passing

(32:40):
laws and regulations about things they don't understand. Well, the
Supreme Court overturned that, and it was a big slash
to agency authority. And that was just step one of everything,
because now we see that this administration is completely completely
dismantling all of the federal agencies, but the layoffs, the
mass terminations, all of that. So they're trying to get
these experts out of So when you talk about environmental

(33:01):
activists being very concerned, this was a big blow, say
to the EPA, for example, because it didn't give them
the dame.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Upheld the Reagan era if he had the Reagan era
have the eighties that conservatives celebrated, and it upheld the
Reagan era interpretation of the Clean Air Act. And as
you probably will explain, communities of color, Black communities in
particular are disproportionately adversely impacted by that.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
Yes, we are seeing that with my hometown. I've made
some videos about it and talked about it. But with
XAI down in Memphis, Tennessee, where we are seeing violations
of what would have been I guess at that point
you would have called it maybe Biden era Clean Air Act,
because there were regulations passed under his administration. It would
violate that. And they purposely put this Elon Musk supercomputer

(33:46):
monstrosity in the middle of the poorest, blackest neighborhood in Memphis, Tennessee,
and they are violating how we would interpret the Clean
Air Act under the Biden Harris administration. But as you said,
we're going back to Reagan era interpretations, and so it's
a little bit squishy as to whether they will succeed
in court and fighting against this big, huge machine that

(34:07):
is polluting the air, in the water in the area.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Can you talk a little bit about that too, Elizabeth.
I think it's been fascinating just to see I don't
have as many ties to Memphis as you do, but
it's certainly become a place that has touched my heart,
has become near and dear to me. There's a group
of activists there called the Squad. Shout out to Tammy Keidrin,
Earle Andre and others who have always had the conscience

(34:35):
of the community at heart, and it's been as amazing
to me. We finally got this white Dixiecraft mayor out.
There's a black mayor who has sided with Elon Musk
on this supercomputer on XAI, despite the fact that it
is very clear that there the emissions being let out
from this this entity are causing great harm to the

(34:56):
surrounding communities. How is he justifying that and how should
the community hold him accountable and responsible for that? And
what's the point if we got black elected divisions, if
they're not gonna do right by black people, don't even
get me.

Speaker 7 (35:06):
Start out, Mayorpleso, that's it.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Start start, start, start, how he start?

Speaker 7 (35:12):
That's the one. Mayor Paul Young, Lord Jesus, you know,
I don't like him. I don't like him. I don't
think he actually cares about those black communities. I don't
really think he cares that much about Memphis. I think
he cares about power. I think he cares about having attention.
I think he likes having the position of mayor. But
if he actually cared about these communities, he would definitely

(35:33):
not be signing with Elon Musk. I think he's trying
to justify it because of the whole economic advantages to
the city, which, mind you, this supercomputer only takes about
thirty people working in that facility to make it go.
They are not creating jobs. Because people want to make
comparisons to FedEx, because yes, we have FedEx and Memphis. Yes,
FedEx has pollution, you know, at similar levels. FedEx also

(35:54):
employs most of the city. FedEx is also providing services.
It's not perfect. We want to address the environmental impact
issues of Vetex. But just because there's this one company
there which is employing a lot of people in the
city and they have some environmental issues to work on,
doesn't mean we should just give away our city to
other big factories. So he's basically trying to say, oh,

(36:14):
if they build XAI here, then they're going to build
a whole bunch of other industries here Memphis, which, by
the way, we don't want that. I grew up in
South Memphis. That's where I was originally from when I
was born, and I have a ton of health issues
to this day because of growing up in that part
of the city. I actually got to meet Mayor Brandon
Scott at essence best Mayor of Baltimore, and I looked

(36:36):
at him and I said, can you can you go talk?

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (36:39):
Oh, y'all, can you go maybe to Memphis and maybe
talk to him about how to be a mayor of
a black city because he's missing the mark. So I
don't know, maybe I was petty, but.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
No, we talked, you know, we talked earlier about I'm
actually really glad that we're spending a little bit of
time on some of these issues that show up for
people every day in there, and they're local communities. As
a former mayor myself, you know, even when I visit places,
I'm looking at medians and how they're maintained. I'm looking,
you know, paying attention to the roads and how they're
being treated, and obviously the things like water and water quality.

(37:15):
But housing topic we address a little bit earlier in
the show is probably one of the greatest undersung, under
voiced issues confronting Americans. The majority, I've got to say,
the majority of us. If you're not in a rural
place that may be experiencing some depopulation issues, maybe you're

(37:37):
in you know, just a regular city town in anywhere
America where even there, if you're an aging person you're
not able to find independent living that is at your
price point, and you certainly aren't able to get into
assistant living facilities without the help of your Medicare and
probably other supplemental insurance to be able to afford that right.

(37:59):
If you are young person who believes that the American
dream is one day being able to own a home,
if you are like the three of us hosts before
the age of thirty, you know that dream is extinguished
for many people. I'm curious, just based off your policy experience,
obviously your care and love for the city that you're from,
but for cities, for localities, how did we get to frankly,

(38:23):
World War two, post World War two levels of housing unaffordability,
and of course the World War two crisis driven by
the fact that we had soldiers returning who you know,
had unpresident in numbers who just didn't have housing. How
do we go from that to here today? No real
explainable reason. How it is that housing is so unaccessible

(38:44):
for people.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
Well, instead of looking at it as a human right,
we treated it as a commodity. I mean, that's what
it comes down to, is about making money. And you're
talking to the right person because when I said I
spent a hot minute in court, I took some lords
to court. That's actually what I used to do. I
worked in the Medical Legal Partnership Clinic in Labonnar Children's Hospital, Memphis, Tennessee.
And how that worked is the doctors, the nurses, everybody
would be treating these children coming in with issues after

(39:05):
issue after issue, but we would find that they're not
going to get healthier. They're taking the medicine as they should,
they're going to the doctors they should, but there's a
legal need and underlying legal need that the doctors cannot handle.
And so that's when we would come in and provide
promono legal services. And oftentimes that was me taking slum
lords to court so they could get out of these
leases and get into some safe, you know, actual good housing,

(39:26):
or to force the slumblards to clean up the vice
because it was just keeping these kids sick, and we
just we treat housing as another product rather than understanding
that it is the place that's supposed to be where
children and families and individuals are safe, where they could
be healthy, or they could be sheltered from the weather,
where they can make sure they have somewhere to go

(39:47):
lay their heads at night and not worry about, you know,
the elements outside or elements coming inside. And that shift
in thinking about property, I mean, we see it all
the time. There's Netflix shows about real estate moguls, you know,
and about how many millions of dollars they can get
in all their commissions for selling houses. That's how we've
looked at this. We're looking at it as if this
is a want and not a need for every single individual.

(40:10):
And that shift in thinking, this idea that not everybody
deserves a home, but a home is something you're supposed to,
I don't know, basically kill yourself trying to get that,
I think has been the biggest attack. I'm making sure
that people have affordable housing. And y'all were all talking
about buying your first home. And I remember I was
not under thirty, but I was thirty one when I
bought my first home, and my husband was a stay

(40:32):
at home dad at the time, so even though I
was married, I bought the home completely in my name,
so the mortgage was just in my name, even as
a married woman. And that was such a big deal
because my dad didn't buy his first house until he
was almost in his fifties, and so he was really
proud that I was able to do that, but there
were so many barriers to get there. I was going
through a first time home buyer's program, and it became

(40:55):
apparent to me after the fact that they were being
very discriminatory against me when I was buying the song,
because days before closing, they told me, oh, we can't
move forward unless you have an entire year's mortgage payments
and arrears after the down payment, after the closing, cause
you need to have twelve months of your mortgage payment.

(41:17):
And I happened to be a little savior at the time,
and I was very fortunate to be able to save
the money, and I said, okay, no problem, and the
way the finance person on the phone went oh oh oh.
I was like, yeah, I can send you bank sayments. Sure,
I have another account with that money in there, and
it was like they were shocked. So there's the discriminatory
aspect to it too. So when we talked about the
housing situation, we're talking about redlining, we're talking about discriminatory practices.

(41:41):
I remember looking at the application for my financing and
they marked the races black and it said, how did
you find this information? And it says social media? Because
I had never seen these people in person. I had
only talked on the phone and gone over email. I
thought that was crazy because this was still in that
kind of COVID times. I had a little baby, like,
you know, so I wasn't out there meeting up with

(42:04):
people in person or anything. It was just on the
phone and over email. And they treated me very funny,
especially being a black woman who is married to and
I'm married to a white man, but a black woman
who was buying the house completely in her name. It
was like it bothered them for some reason.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Bet. Yeah, but it's funny. What's interesting in that story
is both you and Angela mentioned the trust around the
banking piece. You know that they you know, these instruments
that they tell you about and the stuff that they
you know, very conveniently omit these conditions that again get
added by the bank to add comfortability to their lending,

(42:42):
so to speak. But these are also the same people
who took families who lived in homes for thirty forty years,
who never missed a mortgage payment whatsoever, who went to
those same black families presenting a better option for them
repackaging their loans and turn their situation completely upside down.

(43:03):
A lot of the untold story I feel about the
housing crisis is the one that we've been fed, is
that there were a lot of people who were unqualified
getting access to houses that they shouldn't have ever had
and could never have afforded. Not true. Overwhelmingly, the crisis
in the housing industry was bought on by greedy banks,

(43:23):
with greedy incentivized negatively or positively for them, but negatively
for the rest of us. Incentivized to package these things
repackage was what were otherwise stable loans and to now
unstable loans that looked good for a couple of years,
and then the bottom falls out and put a whole
generation of folks into a tail spin and eliminated untold

(43:47):
wealth in this country overnight. But it wasn't individuals who
were uneducated or didn't know enough about what they were doing.
Y'all knew what we knew what we needed to know
at the time to accomplish the goal that yet set
for ourselves. We didn't expect, however, on the other side,
to meet an untrusting partner who was only interested and
their incentivized bottom line, the bonuses that they could get

(44:11):
by basically duping us into situations that were untenable. And
they all knew it, yet they were complicit. In fact,
they created it and were complicit with the whole ruse.
And now we're sitting in a situation where people can't
afford rents where they live. There's zero protection in most places.
A lot of people hear about protections for folks in
rental units in New York City, but New York City

(44:33):
is a complete and total exception, and even their rules
are not perfect. And most communities there's no protection for
folks who are renting housing, which is the condition that
a lot of our people find themselves in. And so
I'm wondering, given your years, Angela, even your years in DC,
what does it take for the kind of regulation that's
necessary in this country to come forth. Because this is

(44:55):
a bipartisan issue, it's a non part of an issue.
Republicans and Democrats are suffering the saying, how do we
get the lawmakers? What? What is what has got them
gripped so much so that they can't unleash themselves to
be our advocates on housing.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
They can afford need at all.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
And also, Elizabeth, your your expertise isn't focused on housing
but public health.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
And regulationships you focus regulation.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
You're the intersection of how housing impacts public house.

Speaker 7 (45:24):
It's very strong. I actually used to work with an
organization in Memphis called the Healthy Homes Partnership, and so
we worked on trying to make sure that the homes
were safe, were healthy. We don't have enough focus on that,
and we talk about pricing people out. The worst thing
about this is we are pricing people out of having safe,

(45:44):
habitable homes. Like you don't deserve anything but a hovele
unless you make you know, X amount of money. That
doesn't make any kind of sense. And we're starting to
see some shifts. So I'm a Montgomery County, Maryland resident.
Now I've lived here fram a state year, and I've
noticed that there have been some shifts to try to
do things like cap increases in rent. I know Tacoma Park, Maryland,

(46:05):
is particularly good about this, but Tacoma Park is still
an expensive place to live. We're still not seeing the
equity that we need. I would say that being in
Maryland compared to Tennessee over the last few years, I
see a higher level of equity than I've seen back home.
But as you pointed out, Andrew, it's still not to
the level that we need it to be. It's still

(46:26):
not where we need it to be. There are still
homeless people sleeping by the Metro. There's no reason in
this country why anybody should be homeless. It makes no
sense to me why anybody is unhoused anywhere in this country.
We have too much money, we have empty homes, we
have empty apartments. There's no reason except again to treat
this as a commodity and try to use it as
a form of conspicuous consumption. And a lot of it
comes down to that conspicuous consumption. I got to look

(46:47):
like I have something, And not only do I have
to look like I have something, but I have to
make sure that you don't have something so I can
feel good about myself. And that's what we've been doing.
And I've also been on a ti rate about multigenerational housing.
I purchased a multiti generational home in December. My husband
and I we're very happy to do this. It has
multiple little living situations going on. And my aunt, who

(47:08):
is seventy, she is retired. She is living in the
guest house of the home, and it has a walk
out basement apartment, so when the time comes to my
parents can live in the home. And right now my
best friend is there. It was my child's godmother, and
she's helping out with things like childcare. White supremacy has
done such a number on taking this concept of multigenerational
living and intergenerational living and treating it as a failure

(47:31):
and that you have to follow this rugged individualism and
have a nuclear family and one home for your family,
and if you don't have that, you are a failure,
rather than understanding that you bring your family together and
you pull resources to be safe, live together and help
each other out. And again, I know that's really a
policy point, but I feel like we need a shift
in that cultural thinking of understanding that this kind of
living does not actually work, especially someone who has birthed

(47:54):
and is now raising a child. We should not be
alone postpartum raising these.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Kids, none of us.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
It's very American.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Yeah, I was going to ask, and I'm switching gears
quite a bit, but I know that you've experienced this
for all of us as show hosts, as content creators.
In many ways, podcast hosts. Tiff is of course a
former TV host and I know that will change again
soon and she'll be back on air. But I want
to ask you what drove you into the content creation

(48:28):
space and what gaps were you feeling? Right? Like normally
when we go in to do these things, there's a
passion that is leading us. I remember I think it
was gerald Dee Mariba who wasn't seeing in and was
recently overprogramming a degree almost like have you heard of her?
And I was like, oh my god, I love her
because you could dress people down quickly but still very clear.

(48:49):
You know, you can understand you, but your mouth is
going quick, and you could break it all down in
ways that I think you know a lot of people
respect and for all the people that was mad enough
to cut you, was doing it all for them, you guys,
I will tell y'all know I'm a snitch. So I
saw Elizabeth's daddy and Jackson. I said, how do you
feel when she cuts? Because my dad went off on
me a vodcast. He's like, I don't like it, but
it's okay. So Elizabeth, I would do want to come

(49:12):
to you on you know, why do you do it?
And when you're talking to young people about where their
space is and how to find their lane if they
are to do content creation, what do you what do
you advise them?

Speaker 7 (49:24):
Definitely find that space that feels right. And I, you know,
I go against every single rule when it comes to
any kind of content cration. I don't post on the schedule.
I don't stick to one kind of thing. My niche
is basically politics, but that's so varied and wide. And
then sometimes I'm just cracking jokes, supposed to stand up videos,
and you know, I feel like that. I know it's

(49:46):
like running on vibes, you know, the whole generational thing.
But that's really what it is. Is what feels right,
What feels right in my spirit. That is what drives
everything that I do. That's what drove me going to
law school. That's what drove me getting my master's and
being a scientist. At one point I had started my
law career, so I don't want to go back to
being a scientist because it felt right in the moment,
and that's what I did. And I know that was

(50:06):
such a shift, but it was the thing to do.
And when it came to content creation, what happened is
there was a global pandemic. I was home with a baby,
I was on a maternity leave, and I had just
so happened to be the first JDMPH grad from the
University of Memphis, and I was trained at the CDC's
Public Health Law program in epidemics, pandemics, quarantine, isolation law,

(50:26):
all this stuff. And I told myself, this doesn't feel
super relevant, and so I had shifted into privacy law.
And then a whole pandemic happened, and I realized, oh,
I'm sitting on a whole bunch of knowledge that not
a lot of people have at this intersection. Because I
started having people who were my mentors, who had been
ten twenty thirty years in the law calling me and saying,
we know that you are one grad from Memphis who

(50:47):
understands this. Can you break down this information for us
and how this works? And so I realized this might
be useful on a wider scale. And so it started
off getting on TikTok, just kind of cracking jokes. I
lost my brother back in twenty seventeen to gun violence,
and so I've made I do a lot of dark
humor jokes. I made this little trend we were raiding
our siblings. I raided it all, all four of my siblings.
When it got to my brother, I gave before out
of ten because I said he up and died. And

(51:09):
you know, that had people laughing because they were like,
not you rating him low because he died. I said, hey,
it is what it is, and you know, kind of
built up a little bit of a following there. But
I realized, oh, I can actually give people some information too,
So I started talking about emergency use authorizations on vaccines,
how the vaccine approval process works, all of this stuff,
and doing it in a way that was, you know,

(51:30):
entertaining for people. And so I think people started to
appreciate it, and so I just kept doing it. And
as long as people find what I do useful, I'll
keep doing it. And when it's not useful anymore, I'll
go do something else.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Well, we love it, and we're grateful to you.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
We are running out of time, but I want to
close with you actually work at the FDA, the Angeli
pointed out under the Trump administration, the FDA has been
the focus of a lot of challenges with the lack
of regulation around food safety. Of course, vaccine means so
you're under rfk's agency. Is there anything that we should know?

(52:06):
We don't want you know. We we need somebody in
this administration with some sense, So we don't want to
put you in a bad situation. But what are the
things that we should be most concerned about given what's happening.

Speaker 7 (52:15):
Well, you can't put me in a bad situation, because
they send them around the forum the other day asking
us to snitch about de I, and I submitted and
said that the whole administration is a bunch of mediocre
white men. So and caullify the fact that I'm not
fired every day is insane.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
But anyway, Yeah, I got you there.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
On the side, and we we haven't met in person, Elizabeth,
but I love that I will.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Protest for you, but I will protest.

Speaker 8 (52:38):
For you for you take the strip.

Speaker 7 (52:42):
I don't know what they're doing, but I will say this, measles.
We need to be very, very concerned about measles. We
have the highest rate of musles in the United States
that we have had in the past two decades, and
we need to be very careful and watch very closely
about what they're doing with dismantling this vaccine board, with
trying to dismantle vaccine approvals within the FDA. Because the

(53:03):
FDA handles approvals, it's through our biologics, the Center for Biologics,
that's SBIRD and FDA, and pay close attention to that
because I feel like it's not getting the coverage it should.
And we've already seen what happened with COVID having a
resurgence of diseases that we can prevent preventable communicable illnesses
come back up, especially when the school year is going

(53:25):
to start back up next month. Yes, we got to
be careful. We have to make sure and I know
in our community especially there's a lot of vaccine hesitancy.
People have misconceptions about the syphilist childs at Tuskegee. But
vaccines are safe, they are effective. We need to make
sure our babies have their MMR vaccines. We need to
get our teaters and make sure that we are up
on our MMR vaccines, that our levels are good, to
make sure we don't need a booster. That would be

(53:47):
my number one thing that I would say to really
really watch out for. That is the thing that scares
me the most.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Can I ask you on the piece. I know we're running.
But this is this year on the out, which is
if you need if you've already been inoculated or vaccinated
as a younger person against measles, is it the case
that the strand is of a different nature that we're
experiencing in this cycle, and therefore people previously inoculated not

(54:13):
need to do something yet.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
But that's the risk. That's the risk, is the spreading
enough that it mut takes, just like it kept doing
with COVID. And so that's why I say, also, if
you've been inoculated before, you need to go get it's
called a teeter t I tr e. Go get your
teeters checked at the doctor's office to make sure that
you still have the right back you know, basically the
levels you need in your body to prevent infection. And
if those levels are not where they need to be,

(54:35):
they'll let you know if you need to get another shot.
And again I always tell people I'm very open about it.
I have an autistic son. He has five years old.
He's beautiful, he's amazing, he's fantastic. Vaccines do not cause autism.
It is genetic. It is also could be hereditary. They
do not cause autism. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
I'd rather have my living, beautiful, happy, healthy baby boy
than a child who has died from a preventable illness.

(54:57):
I will tell you that every day.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Hey man, Well, thank you so much, Elizabeth Booker Houston.
You'll have to come back because I feel like we
don't even get into the FDA stuff, so we should
have you back really soon. But thank you so much
for joining us today. And don't go anywhere at home,
because we're going to get into CTA's On the other side.

(55:25):
I love that we had Elizabeth Booker Houston on. I
thought that conversation was so helpful, and hopefully the audience
did too. But it is that time to get to
calls to action, so let's fire them off.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
You know what. Just in the theme of us talking
about this issue around housing, I would just encourage, encourage,
encourage people to look local and figure out what are
some of the reasons why it is that housing seems
to be so scarce, whether it's rental or affordable. You'll
learn that many of the culprits on this issue can

(55:58):
be addressed right where you live.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
And sticking in the financial lane, something that I'm working
on right now. Because things have changed so much for
us in this environment. We used to be raking in
speaking engagement money, it's harder. People are trying to ask
you to come speak for less. Dealing with stuff with
my mom and helping to manage her care, resources are
stretched a lot more thin. So I would encourage people

(56:22):
to one keep me honest to this, but also try
to keep yourselves honest in this. It's a good time
to start relooking and re examining your budget. How are
you spending your money? How much are you spending on food,
on clothes, on gas, on carb notes. Check to see
where you can trim the fat, and keep asking yourself
what do I need? And if it's not something that's needed,

(56:44):
think about how you can have a treat less. Often
I need to have a lot less street so I
can fit my clothes. By the way, but we'll talk
about them treats next time.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
I love it all right.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I got three quick ones. One please send the video,
like Andrew Ass. If you're going through challenges with real
estate housing, we really want to hear from you, and
hearing your voices helps add some texture and meet to
the show. So I'd love to hear your testimony, especially
since we put our business out there, we would love
to have somebody all's business.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Please. And two I just lost my train of thought.
It's going to come to me. Oh survey. Yes, we
have a survey, and we would love for you all.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
To participate in the survey because that's going to help
determine the future of NP and we want to make
sure that we're incorporating your thoughts as well. And if
you complete it, there are some prizes for you and
for the person who completes it the fastest, you will
get Angela Ri's personal cell phone number, which I will
deliver to you myself. Okay, misinformation, I won't do that,
but please just please complete a survey. Be on the

(57:45):
lookout for it. We'll let you guys know when that drop.
So I just want to give you all a hits up.
And then my last CTA is just my own complaint,
but I keep saying it and I don't think enough
people have heard it. Nobody wants to hear your goddamn conversations.
Please use your ear but at air in public spaces
because when you when you don't do it, I'm gonna
just start joining in the conversation.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Conversations.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
I'm gonna just start jumping in. I'm gonna just say, wait, girl,
what happened? And if you don't want if you don't
want me to hear anything, get off. Oh I hate it.
I hate it.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
It's just.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Stistic.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yes, yes, it is like only get everyone that.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
I'm like, if I'm walking down like the hallway.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
I hate that. I hate that. It's like, yeah, it's
consider it.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
I'm trying not to keep the phone to my ear.
I'm not thinking that they use it. I want to
ask somebody. But if I can't, like I sometimes now
I move with just my little you know this tip.
I'm moving with just this and I don't even have
my airplane.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
What got me this first?

Speaker 4 (58:47):
So I love it again. Just the people who consider themselves.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
That's how I that's how I experience it. It drives me crazy.
And if I'm on a flyer, this one man said, no.

Speaker 5 (58:56):
I don't watch a movie.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Well, it's it's to me, all of it is.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
But when we don't correct the first social grace, it
keeps escalating. And so now I ask people like can
you please use your earbuds? And this man was like
he was about to watch a movie. He's like, it's
on low. I'm like, it doesn't matter. And he kept
doing it, and I was like, Sarah, I'm asking you
to do it, but I can ask them to ask
you to do it if that's better. And he wouldn't.
And I'm definitely that person. Excuse me, flight attendant, this

(59:22):
man right here.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yes, yes, you got a problem.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Please, I think in any space when I'm walking down
the street, like, get off your it's just I don't
like they're.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Walking the street.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Yes, use your earbuds in your privacy of your own home.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
That's it, privacy of Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
It's really please, it's really really insane to me that
this is not an obvious thing.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
But it is not like to be on a public
street and I'm walking past I can't be on speaker.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
That's to me that all of it is offensive. But
but please, we are in this cordant space and for
some reason you have determined in your mind's eye that
the whole plane that everybody knows.

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
I said that everybody's about the street there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
I'm talking about everybody in the store line. Everybody store too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I agree with the store, I say, the street.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Do you think you're outside or like in a mall.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Like never right, it's just if you guys blah blah
blah and what y'all think about blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I don't know. I don't want no videos about this.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
I definitely want videos on this. You guys, send in
all the comments. I want to hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Sending a video, y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
Don't wait a minute. Here's the thing, So Tiff can
have eighty six C t A can't walk down the street.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
No, but y'all appropriated time for her to have five one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
We have a call to action, but you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
And your conversation with everybody under the sign and while.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
Walking we're okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Well, my CTA was really part of y'all CTA. I'm
giving Angela CTA. Send in your comments about what y'all
think about being on speakerphone, Andrew ct A sending your
videos and my c in the group ct A for
complete the surveys.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Well, as always, we do want to remind you guys,
if you like this conversation, please not only participate in it,
but like, subscribe, share, spread the word. We really want
to keep expanding the folks who are a part of
this conversation, so we encourage you all to help us
to do that and check out our girl, Jamel Hill,
who I just love get to be friends with people

(01:01:43):
I'm a fan of, and I just I coseplay Jamail
when I'm out in these streets. I'll be trying to
talk sports to these people, and I know I don't
know what I'm talking about, but I just think she's
one of the coolest people.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
The first submission, I'd like to edit that out of
the show.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Talking about I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Tell somebody on speaker, but I say things I like.
Sometimes I repeat what I hear Jamel say.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
You know the show what the hell about?

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Well, anyway, my point is check out the shows on
Reasent Choice Media.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
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S Cup also has a show Off the Cup, not
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see what y'all did there, So please sure to check
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(01:02:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Y'all there, are.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
I don't even know why we bother to say this,
but there are four hundred and eighty one days until
mid term elections. If they back, I'm happy, So maybe
we should do the mini pod this week on that
do y'all wanted to ask?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Okay, check out the mini pot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
We're gonna get into mid term elections for now, four
hundred and eighty one days until these midterm elections, if
they happen to happen.

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