Revenge of the "Shithole" Countries?! Feat. Congresswoman Ilhan Omar

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome home, y'all.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is episode one O eight. This is a Native
lamp Pop where we give you all of our perspectives
whether you want them or not, on everything political, and
we throw some culture in there every now and again.
I'm your host for today, Uh Andrew Gillum, and I'm
joined by the very special.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Thank you so sellers, very special joining Bacari.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Mister Special also known as Beehive Bay Beyonce Uh is
the incomparable Tiffany Cross, Miss Cross and of course Miss
Angela Ry.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's up, y'all?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I like how you introduced the guys this time.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, you don't have to change it up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah, so much, so much for ladies first, Yeah, it's
for either of you today since we are work together everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I love when we do the show together in person.
They have a completely different feel.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yes, it's much warmer. So tell me y'all. I hope
y'all got filled up this last week, you know, on
some thankfulness, some gratitude and some good.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Food with that.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
What are we talking about today? What are we getting
into a lot? Is in the news, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
But car are you first?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
I had an opportunity this week during my other job
to talk about Pete Heskett than these boat strikes.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I was on with.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Katie Miller, even Miller's other half, h and so it
was a it was a fascinating conversation. Hopefully we can
dig into that a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, thoughts about that, because that's all it that that
interview or the topic.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
I saw the whole show, all of it. Okay, Well,
what I want to talk about every week. I really
appreciate when our viewers take the time to get on
video and ask us questions. So again this week, I
yielded my time because I want to make sure that
we are able to hear from all of our viewers.
And I know a few questions were directed to us.

(02:11):
I want to make sure we get to all of those.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Absolutely, I love it, Angelou Roberts you.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
We will be joined by Ilhan Omar, who is the
illustrious congresswoman for missis almost in Mississippi, but she.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Would join Benny Gordon Thompson. I would love it too.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
But she is in Minnesota's fifth congressional district and as
you all know, just this week, Donald Trump had the
nerve to call her garbage and also say some very
pejorative things about derogatory things also about the Somali Americans
in her district and in Minnesota rit Lard. So we're
going to talk to her about that as well as
Ice Ice Plant ICE's plans to raid Minnesota under the

(02:52):
guise of whatever they think is happening with Somali and
fraud that this, you know, right wing mainstream media continues
to perpetuate.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, yeah, I can't wait to dig into that, especially
when you consider the fraud issue and the national landscape
around fraud. Nonetheless, y'all, we got a lot to get to,
so let's get into it.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
Peace Family, Welcome home. Shout out to Nick, Shout out
to Lolo Bakari. I love the addition. I love the
interaction that you have together. I think it's super dope.
I love that you had my Attorney General Andrea Campbell on.
You definitely should have my mayor, Mayor Michelle Woo on.
I think that'll be really dope. She would have a

(03:35):
lot of things to say. She is one of the
fighters against Trump that I love and I'm proud of,
But I guess my question is it's relating to a
lot of U all's banter I'll use for lack of
better terms, but just going back and forth, right and
it what I'm feeling today is a lot of friends

(04:00):
that I have don't so much share, you know, the
passion and the activism and the things that are tangible
to me that we all should be doing right. And
I think there's an approach that may be a little passive,
and I judge that, so I'm working on that. I
guess my question is how do you all deal with
friends in your individual lives that either have opposing political

(04:24):
views or they're not engaged at all and they're like, oh,
do all that political shit? Sorry for swearing, but y'all
swear so but anyway, sorry, but how do you deal
with that? Let me know I'm dying and welcome home.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I love that. I love that.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
And Nick Desert of viewers know Nick and Lo Lo
and the Projection staff here, niggas our producer and Lo
Lo is our everything. I don't even know what, but
when he was giving a shout out, that's what he
was talking about.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
Barkley.

Speaker 5 (04:55):
I think he asked a question that a lot of
people are asking, particularly over the holidays, and as as
divisive as this country has become, even in our own families,
you have I was watching the Balloon Pop you watch those,
like the data shows like that. I love them to
be an utter comedy.

Speaker 8 (05:15):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
And so there was one guy who was like, yeah,
she said. The young lady asked him who did you
vote for in twenty twenty four?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I saw that and.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
He was like, oh, I don't vote. I don't vote,
And it's not because you just don't know. And she
went through her list of accomplishments and educational achievements and
she was like, I understand the process, and you were
born into this, so you need to play a part.
And he was like, nah, you just don't understand if
you think that you can impact with your vote what
happens in the federal system. And it just had me
thinking that there are a lot of people who either

(05:45):
are on the diametrically opposed or sitting out, and like,
how do you engage those people? And for me, I
found that the people that I talk about the most
with those type of folk are because he actually brought
it up, you know, Mayor Will Brandon Scott. I think
about Frank Scott, I think about Andre Dickens, I think.

Speaker 6 (06:07):
About vy Lyles Randall.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Randall Wolfing.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I'm thinking about all those mayors that are on the
front lines doing the good things that don't necessarily carry
a partisan like backpack, and I utilize them and talk
about the good work that they're doing in our local
communities and on the front lines fighting against fascism, like
she is in Boston, like Brandon is in Chicago. Because
that's where I start the conversation with those folks who

(06:33):
you know. Otherwise it's it's hard to jump in and
be like, well, how you feel about abortion, and then
the conversation devolves. I think if you start with these
folk who are on the front lines fighting for those
tangible things we believe in but also make our lives
better day in and day out, that's kind of where
I start.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Can I say real quick about Popabloo please?

Speaker 6 (06:51):
I do not like it. I don't find it like
I don't laugh at that show. It's so sad to me.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
And that exchanged I think crystallizes why because I was wondering,
how is this even showing up in my feed?

Speaker 6 (07:00):
Because Bacuri liked it.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I think there is something everywhere.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
But that's the point. It's not to me.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
It is it does not represent black lover people finding
love and the fact that they're staying proposal. That is
one out of a thousand.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
That's the only one I know of. It might be
more than that.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
I don't know, but I'm making is it's not funny
to me to see black people stand there and insult
each other like you you know.

Speaker 6 (07:29):
The playground too, I'm good. I don't like that one.
I don't like any humor.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I'm like the butt of the joke and it's a
put down, like that's not funny to me if I'm
joking people, I got uplift that, you know, like I'm
I don't know. I just don't like that, And I
don't think it's representative of what our love for each
other has been, and that's been the only thing that
has helped us survive this four hundred year nightmare. So
even that, I think is a perfect example. Because once
she said that, the comments were so awful and they

(07:55):
were like she gonna die alone, and she angry like
nobody was supporting her position of yes, this guy should
be doing something, and for people who don't know, they ask,
is he someone that's your type? And it's like her
shoes messed up and I don't like her hair, and
it's just the most awful.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Do you see the size? Do you see the size
of my head? Elementary school? It was it was my ears.

Speaker 6 (08:25):
I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I remember we titled this show possible.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
You say I'm shallow.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I think y'all honest, I'm just gonna say, I think
y'all are all beautiful.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
It is.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
I'm gonna because you're normally the terrorist on this I'm
gonna get back to the question.

Speaker 6 (08:47):
You just say. I'm gonna pop your blow and get.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Back onto this type of care unintended better than a joke.
But I love you still, Yes, So I just I
think that it's so important for us to back people
out of politics into direct needs. And it's a lot
of what we talked about over the summer this spring.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
There are so many people who.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Have felt like the process hasn't served them, and even
when they see themselves reflected, oftentimes they don't see their
basic needs being reflected. They hear people saying the right things,
but they don't necessarily see people doing the right things.

Speaker 6 (09:19):
That is not the truth across the board.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
But politics gets naturally painted with the very broad brush
because people have so many needs being so I regularly
will say to somebody who says I don't do politics,
I will go in an audience and say, how many
of you believe that people want or deserve clean drinking water?
How many of you believe that people deserve to be fed?

Speaker 6 (09:38):
How many of you like? I'll do that because.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
People don't know how much those politics impact those basic
human needs and rights. So I try to do it
that way, and I hope we can continue starting at
where we agree, and then you can build out to
see where the disagreements begin to pop up.

Speaker 6 (09:56):
I think that's the only way.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, but those are audiences. It's like, what about your friend?

Speaker 6 (10:00):
I do that with my friends.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
But do you have friends who are like, I'm not
really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Family members for sure, Kristyn. I was in the barber
shop this morning and they were talking about.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
You try not centering yourself.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Politics. They said, they don't do they.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Don't care about it.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Not like that I find and I wish that we
could all do a better job at this is that
most times when people say man, they don't work, they
don't do nothing, that sort of thing. It's it's almost
always beginning with the belief that one they're not there
to serve them. Two they're all corrupting out for themselves

(10:42):
and they're on the take. And if they ever do
anything for you, they only did that because of what
they got on the other side of it, right, They
only did that so that the cameras could catch them
doing it. They only did that because that's Y and Z,
and I just wish one that's cynical view has the

(11:02):
it has legs. We can all point to people in
elective office who we don't think is quite the right model.
Yet they're out there. You know, they're thinking being on
the internet and you know posting is your activism, that's
your service to the community, rather than you know, trying
to become a celebrity rather than a public servant. So

(11:25):
we all know examples of that. But I got to
tell you, in my time as an elected official, in
the thousands that I met and the many that I
helped to train, I can pick out on these two
hands the ones who I thought were toxic and did
not deserve and shouldn't be in public service. Most every
one of them had a powerful story and narrative as

(11:47):
to what took them there. They are very clear out
about what it is that they feel they have to
do as a payback. Right, even if they are on
the come up, now there's a commitment to, like, man,
I struggle through that and now to go back and
make that easier for someone else. So everybody is fallible, right,
I don't know, I got a message, oh stop it.

Speaker 9 (12:10):
So but but the point is, like we have to interview.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I didn't center myself.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I just want to say I think those of us
who know better should speak up, like, don't join the
chorus so easily when people are tearing down public servants,
elected officials, government in and of itself, because the government
is there in ways that none of us are thinking

(12:38):
about most days. The road that is paved that gets
you from your home to your job, the buses that
serve you even though it is not profitable for that
service to be continued. The parks and recreations that their
kids play at, the team sports and the recreation league
that folks participate in. All of that stuff is stuff

(12:58):
is subsidized. All of it is subsidized in not profit
making for local communities. They do it for the quality
of life. To make sure that you know, the firm
believers been of these servants are firm believers that everybody
ought to have access to these things, regardless of what
their parents do for work, what they make, what school

(13:18):
they graduated from or didn't graduate from. So I just
I think we who know better should really start to
do better and intervene against this conversation because the effects
of that negative lens has perpetual negative impacts on our community.
Not voting, checking out, not addressing the issues through the

(13:41):
right systematic process, but rather I figure it out.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Why what I mean talking about friends? I so, yes,
there are people. All of your answers make perfect sense
to me. I think a part of the strategy now
is to flood the zone with chaos where it becomes
too much. We're asking to care about everything, so you
end up caring about nothing, and then chaos feels normal

(14:05):
and quiet feels eerie. And that's what we see happening
right now. So, yes, there are people who understand politics
impacts my life. Of course, they're you know, my friends
are mothers, and you know, people who work in various industry.
But they don't always consume the minutia of Beltwaigh politics.
Of course, yes, and that I think sometimes it's like

(14:27):
a slow choke hold on us that's happening over time,
that we don't notice that we're breathing less, you know,
So if it is at some point it becomes normal,
like oh, so and so got disappeared today, This person's
house project is on pause because they came on the
construction site and disappeared everybody. Donald Trump called somebody garbage today,

(14:48):
which we'll talk about later in the show. Donald Trump
told a reporter he's a quiet piggy to a reporter,
these things become normal to us. Donald Trump killed people
in the open seas today. Donald Trump's thtaratening to arrest
his political opponents. All of these things are normalized until
it becomes oh, we just don't care. We have effectless
media who aids in that normalization. I think that's the

(15:09):
danger because even I think sometimes I can get overwhelmed
with it, you know, where it feels like I don't
even know how to start, Like where do we begin
to fight back?

Speaker 4 (15:19):
And I think that the bridge for us to cross
is there are those of us who are watching it
at people who are involved in shaping the policies, or
at least should be, you know, in an ordinary democracy,
that would prevent some of the hell that Donald Trump
is reaking on the country. But there are also people
who are just like, you're asking me to care about
this thing, and I just am trying to put food

(15:40):
on my table. You know, I'm in a blue state,
and you know I support these people, And now my
SNAP benefits are potentially being cut because blue state governors
don't want to share data with this administration. So now
they're going to cut all SNAP because they don't want
to be going through this bootleg vetting process where they
potentially kick everybody black off a SNAP. Right, So there

(16:01):
are these other things where you have decided going to
I'm not even gonna touch it because I don't know
where to be because I'm not informed enough. And then
when I don't touch it, I'm still penalized. So that's
why I extra don't want to touch it.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, So, Angela, that's why I would not make the
argument of trying to sell people to care about all
the different issues. I just want them to care about
the things that they encounter. And that's why I'm saying
as simple as your kid participating in the parks and
rex department. When that federal funding gets cut, and then
the city council has to decide where to rob Peter

(16:33):
to pay Paul. Because there are some basic things that
cities have to do, and then there's the accouterment. Then
there's the nice to dos, the paving of sidewalks, the
building of parks. These are not automatics in communities, and
by and large, most people can look at their community
and say it's the rich or the wealthier side of
town that has the best of all of it. They
all got sidewalks, their roads are always repaid, they're you know,

(16:57):
so on and so forth. So I'm just saying, I
wish you would care about all the other things. But
if you're just dealing with you and your household, just
think of the obvious ways in which the change in
your government can impact.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Everything and life.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
My power been out nine times this year.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Come on, what y'all doing in the house.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
It's the whole No, it's the entire block nine times
this year.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Because there's a faulty wire that we have to p
s to make sure they change and they elect.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Commission.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
It's the Puget Sound Energy Company. But it's.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Basically but it's a puge of Sound Energy Company, so
it's a public private partnership. We have to lobby them
to get them to stop doing or threatening threatening suit.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Sound like you need to run for the public se
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
But my point is, I will support the candidates is
going to keep the damn lights on things. When you
said household, it reminded me because politics is as local
as in the house.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
I appreciate Andrew's view and the optimism about elected officials.
I also think that comes from a different perspective because
I didn't get that in the legislature. And the main
reason I didn't get that in the legislator when I
got elected, I remember.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
I should have qualified my work was with mostly Democrats,
but go ahead.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah, well well mine is actually I'm actually castigating Democrats
in this particular, and Black Democrats. But when I first
got there, there's a picture of me. I was twenty
one years old and I'm in the La Times and
I'm looking up at the ceiling and I was like,
I can't believe that I'm here. And then after about
two weeks, I was like I can't believe you're here.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, I can't believe you're here, Like who elected you?
I mean people in there falling asleep.

Speaker 5 (18:46):
And I think that to your point, this is just
the kind of opposite view that I know, you want
us to build trust. But when people see and they
see their parents vote for him, and then you vote
for him, and they're there for thirty year, but your
circumstances haven't changed, it's very hard for you to go
out there and say, you know, look, rah rah, we're

(19:06):
gonna get it done. We're gonna get it right the
next two years, although the last twenty eight years it
has been X y Z, and so a lot of
that is on us, because I just feel like our
leadership in the Black community, both in the church and elected,
has become really, really stagnant. And that is a harsh
over generalization, I admit that on its face, but I

(19:28):
do think that that is also eroding trust, and we're
starting to see the remnants of it. I mean, I
think that you're particularly with black men, you're starting to
see and people who people when you sit in poverty
or you sit in environments that don't change, I mean,
it's it becomes it becomes very depressing. Yeah, and it's

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very hard to care about things out to your point,
it's very hard to care about things outside of those
things that you touch. And so we just have to
do a better job of of having a refreshing outlook
on our media.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I'm talking about black folk.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
This is all I'm talking about here now, Democrats, not Republicans,
Black folks, our media, our civics or civil rights organizations,
our elected officials, our church, the very foundations of our community.
And that's what Donald Trump, that's what he highlighted. He
just when he came through as a force of nature,
he showed us that our organizations, our foundation, our structures

(20:26):
are not prepared to take this on. We're figuring out
as we go. But hell, we're nine years in now, yeah,
ten years in now.

Speaker 10 (20:34):
I mean, so that was the only response I would have,
and I know we want to move on the other issues,
is to say we, yes, there is a stagnation.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I think we've been lullabied into a dizzy spell where
we really don't understand the environment by which all of
us are trying to survive through on the big, grand scale,
not just individual scale. But I also think we take
for granted, how hard it is to keep just the
things that you have coming take, for instance, the cuts

(21:09):
that happened to Medicaid or the absence of expansion in
certain states. Do you know the fight that many legislators,
you know, and I'm not caping for all, I know
all of us have our achilles heels in these positions.
All pride but gets all of us in these positions.
But I'm talking about the larger grander picture. When we

(21:30):
say nothing gets done, well, don't say nothing gets done
because you still on Medicaid and you don't know how
many times we had to sleep in on the floor
of the whale of the capital to make sure you'd
even get dumped off that program. Right, So, I think
we oftentimes take an ungenerous view of the work that

(21:54):
public servance to agree.

Speaker 5 (21:55):
I mean, I want to give a shout out to
Leon Howard and Guild a cob Hunter, real rattler. Yeah,
she's a great rattler and they they you know, back
in two thousand and four, I believe it was before
I got there, they staged a walk out in South
Carolina because we had the fewest number of black judges,
just so that we would have more black judges now
we went from it being a four seat difference than

(22:17):
them now having a super majority. So a lot of
times you're right. A lot of times the efforts.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
You make tangibly may look futile.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
However, those efforts allow you to do things and chip
around the edges to have some successes.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
You're right. I think that both.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
I think that we're I think that neither one of
the things that we're saying have to be mutually exclusive.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
No, they're not wrong. I agree, and I agree with you,
Amary Sports. I'll take one less example what I was
mayor and with shape the next. I think this is
a good citis conversation for the community. But but there
was our request for proposal coming through for who was
going to bid on managing this these retirement funds. So

(23:01):
these are hundreds of millions of dollars largely black people's money.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
Absolutely, right, absolutely.

Speaker 11 (23:09):
But there was a condition in the requests for proposal
that your firm had to have existed for a minimum
of twenty years to be qualified to complete the RFB.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Well, at this time, I'm thinking, well, who hadn't been
around twenty years? We've had the Great collapse and under
Obama's first year. But the transition between Bush and Obama,
a bunch of Wall Street firms bled employees. Black folks
set up firms in Chicago and in New York and
in California and other places. But they didn't have a
twenty five year history to be responsive. And so I said,

(23:45):
I'm sorry, we got to ask the question, who who
wasn't here twenty five years ago?

Speaker 6 (23:48):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Tell me fradicially, why twenty five years is the amount
of years you have to be in a business. Why
couldn't we look at a portfolio and determine if they
are successful at investments or successful and if they're successful
over what horizon? Three years, five years, eight years, That
to me are the types of things that you would
want to look at and a request proposal. Long story short,

(24:11):
we change that, and guess what of the five folks
who manage the money, two now are minority whitely at
that time when we made the change, two of them
now are minority firms. And I'm talking about black and Hispanic, right,
So the again monotony, no one's gonna pay attention to
the art. What citizen is caring about RFP? Well, I
care about it because we're trying to build black wealth. Yeah,

(24:31):
and some create tens of tens of millionaires. So yes,
the work is hard, it's treacherous, and there are some
treachers elected out there. I'm not defending it, but I
think we ought to look more oftentimes at what the
full picture looks like, and I think we'll realize that
the glass is more full than empty.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
As always, I'm still aligned from my girl tiffing across.
Please send in your listener questions because that was a
great discussion. That was a great debate the lack of
a better term. We're gonna talk aout Pete Haskett in
these boat strikes and a little discussion I had with
Katie Miller on seeing it on Abby Show on the
other side.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Of this break.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
We don't get enough of Akari, so by all means.

Speaker 6 (25:21):
Joke, I just want to point that out. It's uplifting.
We don't get enough.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
He's not the butt of the joke. I'm uplifting him.

Speaker 12 (25:30):
I want to go back to something that Bakari said.
He said that those orders that were given the drug
boats in Venezuela were illegal. Can you cite those statutes?

Speaker 6 (25:38):
Please?

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yes, because It's actually called the due Process Clause of
the United States of America because can you point to
one of those boats that actually had drugs on them?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Do you know that?

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Do you know about the Trinidadians who were killed innocently,
who were just fishermen? Can you actually kill those fishermen
without due process? So the answer to the question is yes,
I can cite the Constitution just as God did.

Speaker 12 (25:56):
If you if you go and say that those were
members of al Qaeda or Isis coming to our chores
with enough drugs or enough ammunition to kill one thousand,
one hundred thousand Americans, wouldn't you expect our commander in
chief to take action to stop that. That's what's happening here.
That is what's happened. By the way, that's what happens
in every war zone, whether you go to Afghanistan or
Ran Somalia, go there.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Give me one name of one individual that you can
compare to al Qaeda coming through that had enough fenton
all to kill all these Americans.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Can you name one that's fair, not a one, so
you have not done.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Come from Venezuela, which is like the which is like
one of the most glaring parts about the debate.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
Too bad the medium place?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Are you in the Caribbean?

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Eighty percent of fentanyl that comes into this country comes
from American citizens, not from undocumented immigrants at all.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, you you know the facts. I mean what this
is for our listeners. That was Bakari Sellers and Missus Miller,
the White King, Stephen Miller, basically the president, the shadow
president of the United States. Every every position this President's

(27:02):
come out with has run across Stephen Miller's desk, likely
authored by him and then signed by the President. But
early on, when this administration decided it was going to
start targeting boats in the open sea in South America
and in the Caribbean, I gave the example that you know,

(27:23):
say there's surveillance that political enemy of the president. A
lot of people go off the coast of Florida and
into the Caribbean. They have their own boats. Who's to
say that you might not catch a regular citizen with
no affiliation, and by as far as we know, every
one of them who has been killed so far as
a regular citizen, not traffiiced, not our citizens, but is

(27:45):
a is a human being who has not been caught
physically with trafficking drugs. I have not seen one, and
please correct me if I'm wrong. One press conference where
they have dredged the material up from the exon and
bought back keyloads of cocaine, of fentanyl, of whatever it

(28:08):
is that they're alleging that these folks are shipping in
the open seat. And so there is something called due process.
Of course, this is also the fourth Amendment of the Constitution.
But what we have here is a president or a
defense secretary who has decided to be the judge no,

(28:29):
I'm sorry, the accuser.

Speaker 9 (28:31):
Yeah, uh, the investigator, the attorney who then tries them,
the state attorney or the US attorney, and then the judge,
the jury, and the executioner.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
All and one fell sw Yeah. Our constitution isn't set
up that way. The president doesn't get to decide that.
No one individual gets to play all those roles. And
so now we see where we are. And I'm wondering
just after the last week's reporting from the Washington Post
where it was discovered that in a September bombing on

(29:10):
one vessel See Vessel, that the two people who survived
after the initial bomb there or maybe the first two
initial bombs. There were two survivors who were hanging on
to debris in the water, and it is reported in
source that the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of HECSEF gave

(29:33):
instruction to the admiral to kill all of them. These
were survivors of the bombs who were now in the
water and given instruction to take to have their lives
taken by the US military. Y'all tell me, please help
us make sense of what we think accountability is going

(29:57):
to look like in this situation. We see some movement
on the hill. I'd like to be optimistic that there's
some be some accountability for these illegal actions before my
cousins and them and others find themselves in the crosshairs.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
I think what we should also acknowledge is that accountability
is not likely to come from the United States. That
one of the people who were was killed in one
of the strikes that now have killed over eighty people
in Central and South America is a man named Alejandro
Carnza Medina, and they filed a complaint with the Inter

(30:31):
American Commission on Human Rights saying that his due process
rights were violated, as well as a right to a
fair trial.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
Under international law. And I bring that up just to say,
we are.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Expecting that this law, this legal system, that this justice
system would serve its people. But we are seeing this
legal system regularly side with the illegality of the Trump administration.
And so despite the fact that whatever this Human Rights
Commission and decides is not binding, it is still fair
to say that that might be the only place where

(31:05):
someone even sees justice from an opinion. And I think
that is what is really scary about this. They are
painting people with such a broad brush. I know we're
going to talk about what they're saying about Somali Americans.

Speaker 6 (31:16):
Later we're talking.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
About Colombians and Venezuelan's and Jamaicans and other folks who
live in the Caribbean. How they're saying, like everybody a
fisherman is a drug dealer. Now, you know, it is
beyond And so I'm hoping that Congress will find a
bipartisan pathway that the Republicans would set its racism aside,
it's xenophobia side to do the right thing from a

(31:40):
standpoint of what is just and right.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
And I just don't know that that's going to be
the case.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
And if they don't have to determine what is justin right,
maybe they could decide that, you know what, what if
a Democrat were in the White House and decided to
add put the US military off the coast of Europe
up and decided to then sink yachts.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Even outside of our politics. I think, you know, Macari,
I know this is your place of employment, but I
just I have a challenge. I don't think it should
be up to you to defend what is righteous and truth.

Speaker 11 (32:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I think the fact that she was posing this question
quite arrogantly to an attorney, as though he wasn't going
to have a ready answer to destroy every stupid point
she she made. If only we had journalists to do
that job. I think presenting this as though it's political fodder. Yeah,
as though well, one side says it's okay to randomly
open fire against presumed innocent people in the ocean. Another

(32:42):
side says that's wrong. So let's debate this and talk
about it. It is not political fodder. These are people's lives,
and I just wonder what is the bar for what
You can go on some of these networks and say
what is the bar where it's this? You know, this
actually does go against humanity. We should not have this

(33:03):
person on espousing these beliefs.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
I truly, it's a.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Genuinely honest question that I think we start, we as
the audience, because we're the true power broker for tuning
into these things, we have to start asking why is
this person allowed to go on there and lie routinely?
So me as a panelist, I have to disrupt and
disprove and the host and it's not I think we
have an unfair expectation of Abby often because she looks
like us, and so we expect like you of all people,

(33:30):
like we don't want to see you do this. But
it's quite frankly, not just her show. Every show on
that network will present these absurd views and say let's talk.

Speaker 6 (33:39):
About it, and I just every network now.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Every network, And that is part of normalizing the craziness
that we see is putting it out there like, oh,
this is just we have to give a conservative ideology
a space to breathe, and it's not. It is right
wing extremism that we're presenting as though it's a debate.

Speaker 5 (33:59):
So my biggest yeah, I hear you, and that that
is Abby and I had this conversation because I was, like,
I texted her on Saturday morning, I said, did you
watch the show last night? And you know, I was like,
we're You're viral now, not for this particular discussion, but
because of she and Katie Miller. Katie was disrespectful and

(34:21):
Abby was able to and I love her to death,
and she was able to kind of hold her on.
But that is the conversation that engulfs the larger conversation,
which is what you're talking about. Like that, I want
people to understand that the conversation Tiffany is talking about
is a conversation that actually has had between host and
guest and everyone else, like what what does journalism look
like today? And my counterpoint to you is that if

(34:43):
I did not have that opportunity to have that debate
with Katie Miller, then oftentimes there are echo chambers which
have pierced that fourth wall where her voice would be
heard unchecked. And what we've seen is that they go
into these spaces, they go into these podcast they go
into these networks, and what we always thought were Republican

(35:05):
echo chambers that only Republicans listen to has actually pierced
that fourth wall. And now it's made it into mainstream
even without the networks. Now I don't This is now,
this is when I really see the ground in utifany,
because you actually are the journalist in the room, so
you have those type of standards and ethics and morals.
But just from a consumer of news and one who plays,

(35:29):
you know, commentator on TV, I was just thankful for
the opportunity to be able to have my opportunity to
push back on it. Now, I mean just from a
legal perspective, that's one argument from a shifting gears a
little bit from a legal perspective, people are like, well,
they don't even deserve due process. And my argument to
that is, if you're actually going out there to capture

(35:50):
someone who you believe is bringing drugs into the United
States to be held accountable under our system of jurisprudence,
then yes, you can't have it both ways.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Regardless.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
One of the things the United States has been able
to do, save for George W. Bush, has been able
to keep us out of this international court system because
the Geneva Convention also applies, like you can't indiscriminately kill
people civilians.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
You can't even I mean, you can't even indiscriminately kill people.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Who are combatants who have given themselves up, that's right,
or or are debilitated from fighting, so they could they
could have not given up, correct, but don't have a
weapon and don't have the means to now fight back.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
And this is and so you saw you saw the
African American, the black man and his name escapes me now.
But he had been an admirable for three decades who
resigned his post quietly, didn't embarrass nobody, didn't pull a
lane Kiffin right, didn't resign under the cover of darkness
and catch a plane to be to LSU.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
He didn't do any of that. He just was very respectful.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
Now you have.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
Admirable, Admirable Admiral Bradley, who Pete Haskiff is thrown under
the bus because he said, well, he called those strikes
and I mean, that's just And at the end of
the day, there may be accountability, it ain't gonna be
where it should be. There'll be some heads that are rolling,
but it ain't gonna be the ones that should.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
We might play this clip from Pete haiks As twenty sixteen,
because my how tables have turned.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, if you're.

Speaker 13 (37:17):
Doing something that is just completely unlawful and uh and
and ruthless. Then there is a consequence for that. That's
why the military said it won't follow unlawful orders from
their commander in chief. There's a standard, there's an ethos,
there's a belief that we are above what so many
things that our enemies or others would do.

Speaker 14 (37:35):
Our laws are.

Speaker 6 (37:36):
Clear, you can refuse illegal orders.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
So they is Lambastard Democrats for the last two weeks,
calling them Benedict Arnold's traders for the dead, their hangings, yes,
so on and so forth, because they said, what was
the law, what is the standard within the US military.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Cabinet and from the commander in chief that you wouldn't
give or authorize them to follow unlaw for orders.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
And the fact that they.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Simply say they do not follow in law for orders,
they're like trader, Well, who they trading?

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I think Tiffany's it you to jump in.

Speaker 5 (38:15):
But I have a conspiracy theory and I'm not a
conspiracy theorist. A wife, My wife is very much a
conspiracy theorist, Like she doesn't believe in coincidences, none of that.
Like anyway, people are going to ask the question why right,
Like for somebody who's listening to the show. They'll be like, Okay,
they're bombing. They're bombing people in the middle of the Caribbean,
Like why, Like, none of this really makes sense without

(38:38):
an answer to the question why, what's of value? Why
are we Is it really because the war on drugs?
I mean, is that what it's really about? And I
have come to the conclusion that it's not. I have
come to the conclusion that this is all about Venezuelan
and oil. And I don't even know if it's a
conspiracy theory as much as it's like geopolitical, like gut check.

(38:59):
But if you see US ramp up outside of we
actually have naval vessels that have pulled up to the
coast of Venezuela.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
By the way, that have left the previous territories where
they were assigned in the Strait of Taiwan, correct off
the coast of Russia. I mean, the real hot spots
in the world, in fact, the hottest hot spots in
the world when it comes to threats to the United
States of America in our interests across the globe, they

(39:29):
removed those and brought it into frankly, the quiet part
of the world.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
Just at his point to just to add a country
on what you're talking about.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
He also just partoned Win Orlando.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I can't figure out. I can't put that into my.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Town tip drug trafficker, d pardon this guilty by Americans?

Speaker 6 (39:54):
Yes, pardoned him.

Speaker 15 (39:56):
So.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
And Venezuela's oil is less than one percent of the
globes oil production, but imagine the United States getting their
hands on that.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
Maduro himself has.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Said like, this is about the oil, but this is
also why I would say having an understanding of foreign
policy and global movement does directly impact us in our
politics and our policy. Here the only thing I was
itching to jump in the car because I disagreed with
something you said and I.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
Didn't want to not.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Well when you were saying, if we don't respond to
those voices like a Katie Miller type, then they go
left unchecked.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
That requires us to roll out the red carpet for
right wing extremists and see platforms to them. You guys,
remember when Megan Kelly was being apologist Forlia. I was
just talking about her on my I didn't and watch it,
but I saw it, said, don't you she said? She
just say she was discussing I'm talking about her pedophile comments.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Fifteen years She's.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Like, but he wasn't eight, Like what are we children?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
But she was not the only person in that conversation
joining her was Batia Unger Sargon, who is right next
with her.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
This is my point.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Batia is sitting there agreeing with her, who say yes, precisely,
she called herself a journalist. She worked for a few outlets,
and now she's doing CNN show and often does Abby's show.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
Now you're telling me, we all know people.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Who are not allowed on CNN anymore, but a person
who is an apologist for pedophilia is invited to come
back to the platform. You can say disrespectful things about
black people. You they all kind of things, you're invited back.
And apparently you can also say it's okay to fuck
a fifteen year old and be invited on these networks.
That is not a voice to me, like inviting member

(41:48):
or namble next. That's not a voice to me that
should be invited to the table. So this is my
challenge with the networks. I don't want to hear from
Katie mill to me. I look at that and I'm like,
it's kind of insulting to me see Bakari there, because
it suggests that Bakari and Katie Miller are the same thing.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
But that been doing that.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
But I mean, that's why I always, okay, if I
if I were to give you credit for a depiction
and call your depiction accurate of the current media landscape,
if qualified, that's why your voice is more necessary now
than ever. And that's why when you I'm talking to
you directly, Tiffany Cross, take a step back and say

(42:28):
I will not participate in that circus. I think that
does a disservice to the people, both of y'all, Tiffany
Cross and Angela Ray. I think that does a disservice
to all of us out here who need your voices
pushing back, because if I give you credit, if I
give you credit for an accurate portrayal the media landscape
as we're going through this treacherous time, if you all

(42:50):
aren't there to be some type of stopgap voice, pushback,
angry speaking for us, then I fear that again they'll
they'll be voice. There'll be people out there who are
consuming this because that clip made it all around. But
you know what, you know how it didn't make it
around from people necessarily watching CNN. That clip, made it
around on TikTok, on all these my facial expressions, all

(43:13):
these other things.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
And I just think that's sometimes we sell it.

Speaker 5 (43:17):
We we sell ourselves short for the greater good to
protect our piece. And who am I to tell you
to destroy your own peak?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
I think just go ahead, please, because you're you actually.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Alone.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I think that I think that there is a way
to do it, and if I'm perfectly honest with y'all,
I don't know the answer. I think that there are
voices that I don't agree with that I want on
this platform.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
If I could have.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Megan Kelly come on so I could talk to her
about the Michelle Obama BS, I would do it. I
think there are The thing that I resent is when
they have people who are not equally qualified, yes, debating right,
so and lot, And to just be completely honest, I
know I'm thinking about this around views and monetization. Having

(44:02):
Megan Kelly on is going to be a boon for
the show, So I'll make decisions like that. That is
where I am similar to a CNN exec that's like, oh,
this is going to be good for ratings, so I
understand that. I also think it is imperative that if
you make a decision like that that whoever, whoever your
other guests are, your hosts are readily prepared with facts

(44:22):
to refute some of that, Like.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
That's part of the problem. Good for ratings and bad
for democracy. But so executives, they're like, yes, but I think.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
That if I hate to say that at least a
third of the country agrees with some of these people.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
I don't think it's happy. I don't think it's happened.
I think it's a third because a third of the
folks at.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Home, A third of the I was thinking about voters, Okay,
but you're.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Thinking about voters to a third of the voting stayed home,
A third Kamala third Donald Trump. So if that's the case,
I believe that we have some obligation to.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
Influence them and to equip our family members.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Who are politically engaged or might be on the friend
to be let me just say this is the one
last point, might be ready to almost engage. Give them
the talking points, give them the things that we're saying
where they're like, okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
I can go on.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Are they convertible are those people recept.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
That that's who you're talking to.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
I'm talking about the people who would listen to us
that are like I would find you.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
But I just need the information.

Speaker 5 (45:14):
You also need to watch. You don't need a watch,
that's the thing. And in order to shift democracy, in
order to change the future of the country, you don't
need a wide swow. You're talking about decimal You talk
about decimal point. So would you do you do you
see any inherent value in the lord? The topic is
way over there and we're down here now, But do
you see any inherent value Tiffany Cross of you debating

(45:34):
Ben Shapiro, No, I do.

Speaker 11 (45:38):
I do.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
And I just find that to be fascinating to.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Be on a platform though with and this is no
diss to anybody that we're talking about today, a platform
where there is a moderator that will fact check the
debaters if you're going to have a debate in Earnest
Tip says she doesn't like to debate.

Speaker 6 (45:51):
She debates with us about everything. Everything the way.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
I'm just saying, like, if there's somebody like, let's say
we're having a debate on reparations, right and and someone
comes to the table and says this country has never
paid reparations before the moderator come and say, actually the
Japanese after Japanese internment blah blah blah, and this, like
they can go through and say and at the state level,
this and at the city level, these things happen to
correct the narrative.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
But if I'm going on somewhere.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
So I think, what a fact. I take your point,
but this is where I will qualify it. We can debate. Yes,
let's just say, for your argument sake, that we debate
all the time, that I like to debate. Let's say
that's the debate. I don't like the baby everybody and
y'all think I like debate. Okay, fine, let's say that

(46:44):
I like to debate. I think our debates that we
have here and debate that I'd be willing to have
are policy positions.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
We can debate about school choice. Yes, that's a position
where we might all feel differently. If my debate position
is one and your debate position is rooted in a
lack of my humanity, and its rooted in my oppression
that it is to me, beneath me to entertain that thought.

Speaker 6 (47:08):
One.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
I don't think that those people are convertible in their thought.
I think the handcuffed positions to white supremacy are so
deeply penetrated in this country for four hundred plus years.
I'm just convinced I can't live alongside these homicidal maniacs
and expect at some point they're gonna say.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
Oh, you know what, like you're fine. I know you.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
Disagree, But the reason I disagree is because I look
at I look at an example like John Lewis and
Julian Bond who had to debate with Lyndon Baine Johnson,
who saw him as niggas. They were one hundred percent niggas.
And the reason that he the reason that they had
to debate, the reason that they waded into that deep
water to debate with somebody who did not see their humanity,
is because practically they saw some tangible goals that they

(47:52):
could receive from that debate that they ended up succeeding
in getting. I mean, that's why you have this really
cool picture of my dad and John Lewis sitting on
the sofa in the Oval office. You got on these
high waters because LBJ didn't see the benefit of their humanity.
But they were able to go in and get the
Voting Rights Act the sixty four sixty activists.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Though, So yeah, I think for activists, yes, that might
take on a different perspective. I think when you're when
your job is to inform the people, I don't think
that's a good idea.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
But if if part of informing is to dismantle and
dispirit other positions, there is a space for that too.
I just think that there's got to be a way
to do it responsibly, and we have to figure out
what that way is.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
It's not being done responsible now. And I'll tell you,
when you first started going on television, I would be
disgusted who they would put you across from. I mean,
these are people who were not qualified to be your assistant,
you know, and they had you like debating them the
same way with you and Katie Miller. And I'm looking
like this is so and you're excuse.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
My mouth, I'm trying not to cuss, but the god
damn governor, the state.

Speaker 6 (48:58):
It was offended debate.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I respect, holy what you mean by this mismatching and
disrespect all of us being suggested, right, But I think
there's some things we can no longer pretend don't exist.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
The ship has sailed on.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
The fair moderator who's all knowing, all seeing, can come
up the middle and say this is a fact, and
that's a falsehood or the like. That's not where we're
that's not what we are, and I don't know that
we're ever going back there. And so given where we are,
given where we are, the reality of where we are,
and that people are getting information from these really short

(49:40):
clips that look viral and they're sensational and they show conflict,
but they're also in some ways, depending upon who is
on the listening side, based in somebody's facts, right. And
so if people, if we don't accept the challenge that
our folks more than anything, because you talked about you,
you believe these people, folks are not convertible. That's not

(50:02):
who you're talking to. We're not sending you there to
convert them. We are sending you there to give our
team the information resource material they need so that they
can be a better advocate for what we believe.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
And hope, Well, there's.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
That, But more than anything, these people want to be
able to repeat. I wanted to because most people want
to be thought of as smart so they want to
hear from a smart person some smart thoughts that they
can then share with difference who they know ain't listening
to the native lampid, right, And then they're the smart
ones of the group. We are going to we are going.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
To No, I mean it's real.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
We got equipment with the knowledge, the skills, and the
tools in very short order, so that when y'all we
should play that video about the conservatives on the campuses,
and whether or not we thought we should, you know
what that was, And I said, did you see that
black boy beast?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Up?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
He was He was stating facts to those young Republicans
that I'm not quite sure I believed he had under
his command until he had him under his command. And
so sometimes it's you've got to be face to face
with the enemy. Sometimes you gotta be just bare knuckles
with them to show people what it's like to wrestle

(51:19):
and to win at the end of the day. Then
you equip them with the ability to do that. And
I think the more we lean into that forgetting about
the fact that the ways of old used to be
that there were fair and balanced conversations, we're not there anymore.
That day is probably never coming back.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Giving our current landscape.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
We were talking about this well, and on top of this,
I'm thinking about got mad thinking about Andrew's debate. Was
rond de Santis like they're not even on the same page,
Like how dare y'all put them to rumble in the
same ring. But the reality of it is the same
thing exists for our friends in Congress.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
They're sitting in hearing rooms. The reason why beach blonde,
bad bitch. But every time I say, all the time, but.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Her, you've been cussing a lot.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
Pray for me Jesus to see.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
How speaking some of them that was actually a speech
impediment issue.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Just now, so saying bitches.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Whatever is the point I tripped over my tongue in
that Moment's an impediment.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
Just the short one sitting here's the point.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Literally she's talking, She's like, can you even see through
your eyelashes?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
That's where we got.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
That bar from.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Right, So we are we're in position in corporate America,
in boardrooms, in classrooms, in these types of rooms where
we're with people who are not they're punching above their
weight all the time to even be sitting next to us,
And so we have got to figure out a way
to rumble in away that isn't.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
You don't have to go there.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Yeah, you tell people all the time you don't. You
don't necessarily roll around with pigs.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I mean you in the pig when once.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I think all four of us have a very good
understanding that when we are in these spaces the cues
we have to take to not look.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Dominant, angry. And to the woman, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
You got to realize you're talking. I'm talking to a
white woman on TV.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
So all I'm saying is, but we can rumble with them.
But when I said we were not equals, I meant it.
I'm not going to rumble the same way you are.
I'm gonna rumble.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
I'm gonna teacher boo.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Because they're not in case, they're not capable of learning
that they can observe it.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
But they can't.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
So when you're saying that you rumble differently, what is
a what is an elevated rumble?

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I mean we can put the clips I have, I've
got examples for one second.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
For one second, stop centering yourself.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
But I mean, like I tell people this all the time,
I say, you never argue with the fool because people
watching can't tell the difference. And so when you're in
these debates with people like that, first of all, we
all have had the moment that you math to make
this very conscious decision and everybody listening, No, it's today
to day, I'm gonna lose my job. That is a
conscious decision that you think about. Black folk think about

(54:24):
this at work all the time. When they going to
this meeting, they're like, it's to day to day, I'm
gonna lose my job. And then and then you center
yourself and you get the and then you say you realize, like,
I'm not trying to change Katie Miller, Like, I don't
think I'm gonna have a conversation with Katie Miller. Is
she gonna go back home to Steven and be like
those strikes are bad, my love?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
What I am doing now?

Speaker 5 (54:49):
And this is why, this is why I will I
will preach this and yell at Tiffany until I am
blue in the face. And why I think her value
is just immense. It's because now those clips are going
around and even little black kids or whatever they are
just to your point because you're not talking to Katie, You're.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Not talking about it.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
You're talking around and so and I tell people like
and particularly black men, it's I'm not saying that our
job is more difficult. Our job is different because we
don't we can't get angry, because if I get angry
on air, then oh my god, I'm threatened.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
You know, you're six five. I'm threatened by your persona like,
why are you so angry? This angry black man thing?

Speaker 5 (55:26):
So you know you have to maintain your sense, your calm, dignity,
your dignity aside eye.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
And then you, I mean, you got kids, you like
my kids watching this.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
I can't get up here and act a fool alto
you know if you would have caught me.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Eddie different because Eddie ride five ten, He'd like to
say five eleven. Eddie rod be hollering right at He
was yelling at somebody the other day at the my
mom's in a rehab facilities.

Speaker 6 (55:47):
If door is open, Eddie Rye screaming.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
I said, so you do know that you're scaring every
single one of these patients in here, can you? I
took the phone, I said, mister Weinberry know all due
respect he was talking. Mister Wibery said mister wine Bery,
I have he gonna have to call you back because
he in here.

Speaker 6 (56:02):
Scaring all these patients, like you know, so he's built,
and I.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
Know, I know black women have have have a set
of struggles. And I'm not saying one set is I'm
not doing the Oppressional Olympics, but I'm just saying for
and I am unfortunately kind of I'm sorry to speak
for you, Andrew, but this is just something that we
have in common when we go on TV, or we're
speaking in front of groups, or we're rumbling, as you
so eloquently put.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Well, I'll just say this. We're about to talk to
somebody who has had her share of rubable and one
has had to elevate, levitate above some of the guttural
ways in which our politics is taking shape from the
highest office in the land. That's right, Let's check you in.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Congress ilhan Omar. Yeah, right after this, nobody knows. All right, everyone,
we are thrilled to bring to you all a good
friend of our ours.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Her name is Congressoman ilhan Omar.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
She represents Minnesota's fifth congressional district, and she has been
front and center in the media this week and it
is not by her own doing. The President of these
United States had this to say about Congressoman ilhan Omar
and members of her community, the Somali Americans who live
in Minnesota.

Speaker 16 (57:21):
With Somayad, which is barely a country. You know, they
have no anything. They just run around killing each other.
There's no structure.

Speaker 8 (57:31):
And when I see somebody like ilhan.

Speaker 16 (57:34):
Omar, who I don't know at all, but I always
watch her for years, I've watched her complain about our constitution,
how she's being treated badly.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
A constitution. The United States of America is a bad place.

Speaker 16 (57:47):
It hates everybody, hates Jewish people, hates everybody.

Speaker 8 (57:51):
But what I watch one is happening in Minnesota.

Speaker 16 (57:56):
Somalia's ripped off that state for billions of dollars, billions
every year, billions of dollars. And they contribute nothing. The
welfare is like eighty eight percent. They contribute nothing. I
don't want them in our country.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 16 (58:17):
Okay, somebody would say, oh, that's not politically correct.

Speaker 8 (58:19):
I don't care. I don't want them in our country.
Their country is no good for a reason.

Speaker 16 (58:24):
Their country stakes when they come from hell and they
complain and do nothing, but bitch, we don't want them.

Speaker 8 (58:33):
In our country. Let them go back to where they
came from and fix it.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
God, I hadn't seen that whole thing.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Yeah, I thought it was important to show as she
still lets her light shine despite what Donald Trump is saying. Congressman,
I don't know you to be anything but a loving fighter,
and it is so immensely frustrating to watch that take
place in a cabinet meeting this week. What's your response
to Donald Trump and the cabinet members who sat there

(59:02):
as he went on this very dangerous, hateful, xenophobic tirade racist?

Speaker 14 (59:07):
Yeah, I mean, he's he's such a bigoted fool.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
You know.

Speaker 15 (59:12):
It's just the the the level of bigotries in a
phobia islamophobia. It's it's it's hard to understand how somebody
can hold that much hate in their heart and and
still be able to call other people hateful. It's also,
I think really creepy to have this level of obsession

(59:36):
with somebody that you haven't met.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
That's real.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
I wonder, Congresswoman, how do your constituents, your neighbors and
friends in Minnesota? I mean, I know Minnesota would be
quite an incredible state led by some pretty incredible people,
yourself included.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Generous folks, good.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
In spirit, good and heart, very honest. I mean, I
don't want to overdramatize this, but really I've had a
lot of experiences and met a lot of people from
your home state, fundraised there before.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
It's it's a good place.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I wonder how do your constituents respond every day lay
persons who don't have your experience with Donald Trump? Right,
he's the President of the United States. How do they
reflect on that?

Speaker 15 (01:00:24):
And they've they've responded the only way Minnesotans know how
to respond.

Speaker 14 (01:00:29):
They've responded with kindness, with love, with compassion.

Speaker 15 (01:00:34):
You know, Prince is from Minnesota and once said, you know,
it's it's Minnesota nice, but it's cold and it keeps
the bad people away, and so you know, we don't
we don't.

Speaker 14 (01:00:47):
We don't like hate in Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
One of the questions that I had is that people
always see you with the national profile, but oftentimes you
have really really good members of Congress like yourself, and
they don't know the successes and the tangible things that
you've brought back to your district, brought back to Minnesota.
When we're going out there fighting for you, will tell
us what are some of the things that you've done

(01:01:12):
in your legislative career for Minnesotan's and disregarding that national
fervor that push against you, how you still been successful
and bringing it home distill a word from Andrew Gillim
for Minnesota.

Speaker 14 (01:01:26):
I appreciate that question. I mean doing COVID.

Speaker 15 (01:01:30):
I passed My Meals Act that helped feed twenty two
million children across the country and in Minnesota. I've also
been able to bring back forty six million dollars to
invest in multi family units to create an entrepreneurial community
kitchen for the black community in my neighborhood that in

(01:01:55):
my district that have that entrepreneurial spirit. We've invested in
essentially ending homelessness for veterans in Minnesota. So there's a
lot of really good work that we have been able
to do since I've been in Congress in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
You and I want you to go, but I got
to bring this up since you just brought up the
COVID nineteen.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
We of course are aware of the.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Fraud that Donald Trump talked about at the Cabinet Secretary
meeting eighty thousand at least Somali's in Minnesota, and there
have been seventy five people indicted in association with the
COVID nineteen fraud scheme. The leader of that is someone
that they have somehow decided to shield. Amy Bach, who

(01:02:41):
is defeeding our future executive director and founder is a
white woman. But somehow this became a Somali led fraud.
So I would love for you to debunk some of
what has been widespread over the last several weeks, as
if this hasn't been prosecuted since the Biden administration, but
if you could talk a little bit about the truth
around that case and why they're targeting Somali's. This is

(01:03:02):
such a dangerous thing to be doing right now.

Speaker 15 (01:03:04):
Yeah, I mean, as you alluded to, the ring leader
of the fraud scheme and the person who helped make
make that fraud a reality, unfortunately in our state is
not Smally.

Speaker 14 (01:03:22):
It's a Caucasian woman.

Speaker 15 (01:03:24):
We've also had others that have that have been indicted
as well that are not of Somali ethnicity. The reality
is there's eighty thousand of us, majority of US are
citizens over ninety percent. Many of us have been in
the United States over thirty years. Many of us have

(01:03:48):
not been resettled in Minnesota. We all started out in
different states, about ninety percent of us, and chose to
live in Minnesota and move there because it is such
an incredible state that is so welcoming and has made
us be able to.

Speaker 14 (01:04:06):
Thrive and and and be a vibrant.

Speaker 15 (01:04:09):
Part of of the of the state and of of
the community. UH and Minnesota's in general are very resilient,
very strong people. We don't survive and thrive in that
cold weather without having some some strength and resilience. And
I know that as the raids are are happening right

(01:04:30):
now with with ice, they are being met with that
that resilience. They are being met with with people who
are showing them that they are citizens, and they're having
a really hard time and making fools of themselves trying
to find a non citizen or somebody who is undocumented

(01:04:51):
in our community.

Speaker 14 (01:04:52):
Because that is like a needle in a in a Haysack.

Speaker 15 (01:04:54):
We don't really have a lot of people who are undocumented.
Majority of US came to the United States with a
refugee status, which means you come in with documentation and
it means that we get our Green card within a year,
and within five years we are citizens. And we have
the highest number of immigrants of any kind in the

(01:05:16):
United States when it comes to achieving that citizenship.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Congressman, I think it's really important for our viewers and
listeners to understand why Somalians are receiving TPS, the temporary
protected status. This was actually granted under the Bush administration
HW Bush in nineteen ninety one after the fall of
Sayid Bar which led to a clash of warlords. And
so people have been fleeing the Horn of Africa for

(01:05:43):
decades now because this community keeps getting granted TPS. And
now that the entire structure of our democratic norms, including TPS,
has been thrown into disarray, I want to know what
is the practical full solution when our government is disappearing people.

(01:06:04):
So when I shows up to your constituents door simply
because they are Somali, Somalian are what are they supposed
to do, particularly at a time where they are disappearing
people to foreign countries. We have no idea. We're not
keeping track of these people. People are literally disappearing from
data from watchdog organizations. What is the practical thing that

(01:06:27):
they should do when the government knocks on their door
with the intention to disappear them.

Speaker 14 (01:06:33):
I think thank you for that question.

Speaker 15 (01:06:37):
Like I said earlier, many of the Somalis who are
in the United States are citizens and they are Green
card holders, so permanent residents.

Speaker 14 (01:06:51):
We have about four hundred.

Speaker 15 (01:06:55):
Folks around the country of the out of the one
hundred and thirty thousand or so Somalies that are in
the United States, and those folks with the with TPS status.

Speaker 14 (01:07:10):
What we have been telling.

Speaker 15 (01:07:12):
Folks before even the administration was sworn in was to
get their documentations in order, because we knew that with
Project twenty twenty five, it wasn't just going.

Speaker 14 (01:07:26):
To be.

Speaker 15 (01:07:28):
You know, this administration going after people who were undocumented
or who had you know, some sort of shaky status,
but that they were ultimately coming for every single person
that could look like an an immigrant, especially.

Speaker 14 (01:07:42):
If you are brown or black.

Speaker 15 (01:07:44):
And so our community has been preparing for for this fact.
And that is why, you know, I said earlier, with
the ice rates, they they are seeing you know, folks
have their passport ideas which folks can get if they
don't want to carry their passports.

Speaker 14 (01:08:04):
Folks, are you know.

Speaker 15 (01:08:06):
They they're taking photos of their passports so that they
have it on their phones. People know, you know where
the immigration lawyers are, where the resources are within the
Twin Cities and the state, A lot of people have
connections to the ICE offices and enforcement and so this

(01:08:27):
is this is a community that is equipped with information
and feels empowered to be able to defend themselves, and
so uh, that would be I guess my recommendation to
everyone else is one, know your rights. You do not
have to respond to ICE agents unless they have a
warrant that is signed by a judge. You don't have

(01:08:51):
to show identification of any kind if if there if
it's not.

Speaker 14 (01:08:56):
Warranted by any to any law enforcement. And if you do.

Speaker 15 (01:09:02):
Have an undocumented status, please please make sure that you
carry any sort of documentation that could be helpful and
in making sure that you do not get abducted and detained,
because ICE ditentions are very inhumane. Uh, and these ICE
agents are also a lot of them are untrained in

(01:09:25):
many aspects and it could be a very dangerous encounter.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Congressman, I know you have to run. I guess want
to ask a quick follow up. So I appreciate you
drawing the difference between you know, Green card holders and
those with TPS status. However, I think we're seeing we're
at a moment in history where so many people are
awaiting this invisible red line to be crossed, and we
see that happen again and again. We've seen US born
citizens abducted and detained. And so, as a member of Congress,

(01:09:52):
you are a part of these democratic norms. You are
a part of a structure. And I'm wondering if what
you're saying still matters today, uh, and more importantly, will
it still matter five years from now. We've already eroded
some of these norms. We've already to a certain extent,
normalized people being disappeared. So the advice you're you're giving

(01:10:15):
is relevant to some may say it's relevant to a
government of yesterday. We've seen Ice have violent confrontations with people,
and when people are bearing witness with their phones, we've
seen them be attacked by Ice. And then it'll beg
the question, who are these people who are allegedly of Ice.
They're masked, often not showing their ID. How do we

(01:10:39):
know these aren't proud boys? In uniform. It seems like
all the rules have been thrown out. So I guess
I'm kind of sounding the alarm to you, uh, and
wondering what what do we do from here from a
legal perspective, a congressional perspective, but also a perspective just
from our personhood when we're physically confronted with these things.

Speaker 14 (01:10:57):
Yeah, no, I mean that that is that is the.

Speaker 15 (01:10:59):
Question that we're all asking ourselves, right, are are the
norms that we are used to, the laws that we
know exist, do they are, do they apply?

Speaker 14 (01:11:09):
And will they continue to apply?

Speaker 15 (01:11:11):
I think as lawmakers, it is our job to continue
to do some oversight. It is our job to you know,
visit these ice detention centers, to do the field hearings, uh,
to put the information out for people.

Speaker 14 (01:11:24):
But it is as as.

Speaker 15 (01:11:26):
You said, these are very dangerous times, uh, and we
have to also document and learn from this moment because
as Democrats, when we do have the power back with
our gavels, we we are going to have to do
some accountability and we are going to have to do
some investigations and subpoenas and figure out, you know, how

(01:11:48):
do we hold people accountable who have broken the law
as as they carried out this sort of mass deportation.
And I would say I'm not I don't only tell
people who are are you know, who became a citizen
or a legal resident to to carry their paperwork. My
son was born here and he has a passport I

(01:12:11):
D So that that fear is in every single person
that that could be uh attacked and and you know
be be attacked by by ice agents as they just
go about their their day to day.

Speaker 14 (01:12:30):
So it just is that.

Speaker 15 (01:12:34):
Kind of time that we're living through that that it
is necessary for us to be able to empower ourselves
with every tool that that we have.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (01:12:45):
And lastly on this, I will say, you know, community matters.
We have seen that they have not been successful in Portland, Oregon,
in Chicago, Illinois, in h l A, Cowfornia, and we're
certainly seeing that they're not being successful in Minneapolis or

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Saint Paul, Minnesota. Because community is showing up, People are
defending one another, people are providing information and protection to
one another, and people are alerting each other when when
they see something coming. And so I would also say
we have to think of ourselves as being part of
community and protecting our neighbors and our beloved once because

(01:13:31):
what this administration is relying on is that we all
become so fearful and that we are intimidated into silence,
into not defending the rights that we have under the
constitution in this country. And it is important for us
to know those rights and to show up for one
another in protection of those rights, because these are rights

(01:13:52):
that were hardly, hardly earned and fought for by those
that came for us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
I will just say on that community. You come from
the Twin Cities, and I just want you to hear
from our dear brother and friend, the Mayor of Saint Paul,
Melvin Carter, who had this to say about Trump's comments.

Speaker 17 (01:14:16):
And so when we talk about attacks, racist is homophobic
xenophobic attacks on our Somali community.

Speaker 18 (01:14:27):
And you combine that with what Mayn Fred just said,
the vast majority of our Somali community are citizens. So
who just attacked isn't just Somali's who attacked a Somali Americans.

Speaker 8 (01:14:40):
Who attacked is Americans.

Speaker 18 (01:14:42):
And so the President of the United States is telling
you out loud that he hates Americans, then I can't
imagine a greater confession of.

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
Incompetence to do the job that you've been hired.

Speaker 17 (01:14:55):
To do than to say you don't believe that Americans
belong in America.

Speaker 19 (01:15:00):
That's what Donald Trump said to us today. And it's
very important for us to understand that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
That was not just an attack on our Southmley community.

Speaker 17 (01:15:06):
It was an attack on our So Miley community and
everything Mary Fry comes from and Ozma said is important.
But it's easy to sit at home and say, oh,
he's attacking them.

Speaker 19 (01:15:16):
He's attacking Americans, American citizens, American residents, American.

Speaker 8 (01:15:21):
Neighbors are They're destabilizing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Communities and trying to get us to be.

Speaker 18 (01:15:25):
Afraid of somebody because of what they look for. And
as Mary Fry said that it's probable that there will
be constitutional abuses, it's not probable, it's what they're saying.

Speaker 8 (01:15:36):
They are saying they target people based on how they look.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Now, all of us grew up in classes that taught
us that that's.

Speaker 8 (01:15:42):
Wrong, and it's still wrong today.

Speaker 19 (01:15:44):
So what you're the president say today was that he
is incompetent and incapable of being a president for the
people of the United States because he just said out
loud that he despises Americans.

Speaker 15 (01:15:57):
Thank you, Thanks long even always brings the fire. Beautiful,
beautiful said.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
He learned that at FAM you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
Were so great.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
We're so grateful for your time, so much, for your fight,
and for your current We see.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
Prayers to you for your safety and your peace and
your blessings.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yes, and your children.

Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
Much loves this.

Speaker 14 (01:16:24):
Thank you all than take care.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Thank you congress woman.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
I love it. Really. I wanted to do a question,
but I didn't know. I didn't want to. I didn't
feel like it wasn't. But I didn't want to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
I didn't feel like it was I didn't feel like
my question was proved it or timely. Because when she
talked about accountability, I wanted to go, that's a that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Thing that's important.

Speaker 5 (01:16:47):
I wanted to just frankly ask her, do you think
that the King Jeffries is?

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
I was you and I were.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
I didn't want to ask after that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Before I didn't want to really put it on the
spot like that. I wanted but has to write because
I just knew she wasn't. I don't feel like she
would have answered the question either.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
He's already saying we're not going to ask.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Because I was like, do you think it came? Do
you do you think of came?

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Jeffries can meet this moment a speaker of the House,
And I want to know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Want to know where.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
That's a question you asked, do you think Jeff can
meet this?

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
I was firm in my belief a year ago. I'm
less firm today. But I don't I don't think the
answers no. I don't think the answers no because I
know him, But it's just I don't. I don't feel
how do you let hesef off? And we haven't heard
the first testimony from anybody about what's really going on

(01:17:41):
with this this program. So I actually, I actually think
that that that's kind of my call to action to
kind ofsorder.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
We have to pay some bills. On the other side,
we're coming back with call to actions. Don't go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Who cares about truth in the loud.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
I just where I ended with her was the prayers
for her family and her safety. I just think that
we have to do a better job of lifting people
up who are in the shadows. And I said that
before Thanksgiving talking about people who were telling Carstraate. I
just don't think that we were so consumed with our
day in and day out, and we talk about this
as if it's just news when they're actual people there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
So you know, I do.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
I pray for the courage of a King Jeffries because
I'm not sure anymore, which is also a very dangerous
place to be. But I also pray for those families
who are going through the unmentionable right now of just
can you imagine I mean, we don't, I mean, we
niggas right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
We got a lot of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
That we got to worry about regends, but being like
picked up on the sidewalk on the way home, that
ain't really one of our concerns right now. So a
lot of times it's a it's hard to empathize, and
so I'm just asking people to have a monocrum of empathy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
That's my call to action.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
I have to the first one. That's quick.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Y'all didn't really let me get into pop the balloon.
So can we talk about that on the mini pod?

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Yes, And it won't be a debate because everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Everybody we tune in to see how we feel this.
We don't talk about that on MANI pod. And my
second call to action is something that's also very consistent
with something I say here, and that is dogs are
not Christmas gifts, Okay, they are responsibilities. And so I
see all the time people you.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
Are be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Please let me be apart.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
They won't make it to the end of the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
I want to be a part of this dog choice.
But I see people all the time who will give
someone a dog, and so many dogs end up in
shelters euthanize, like literally tens of thousands in different communities
get euthanized every month. So if it's like giving somebody
a two year old child and saying Merry Christmas, they're
yours for the next fifteen years because they're babies who
never grow up. So I don't give a damn about
your exhale andrew.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
You on your side.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
All three of my kids, at the top of their
list last year was a dog. They conspired they want
and so we bought them a dog with batteries. Okay,
all right, take it out it pease, and and guess what.
They did it for the first week.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
And they didn't after. And that's the point when they're like,
this is gonna be your dog. Like kids cannot take
care of a dog, it's gonna be your You cannot
take care of a dog for fifteen years and welcome
the dog in your home and treat them with care
and responsibility.

Speaker 6 (01:20:34):
Do not get a dog.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
If you are getting a dog, please adopt, don't shop,
go to shelters, don't go to breeders. That's all I
gotta say.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
What's the what's the what's the what's the name of
the organization that does a sad dog?

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
Please give the endorsement.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Deal and give them money, every please, everything.

Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
If y'all really want to find a good date for
Tiffany on Saturday morning so she can pet the dogs
that they got.

Speaker 6 (01:21:02):
Out there, she don't even need to just on the walk.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Boys, Yeah, I got a.

Speaker 15 (01:21:11):
Boys.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
I say run, I say run.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
I tell the people we walked down the street. D run,
She's coming.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
They're always like, let's go are nowhere.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
My call to action is, oh, I have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Call to action.

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
I really because I was stuck. But I have it,
you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
I was so stressed out trying to get everything together
for Thanksgiving.

Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
I have cracked the code.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
I now know that I'm going to have all my
prep done twenty four to thirty six hours ahead of time.
I had like staff that came to help the day of.
It's too late. I'm going to have the Soux Chef
people come a day and a half before I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
That's action.

Speaker 6 (01:21:56):
Yes, get get some help, get some help and prepare
your cousins and your Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
No, my family's gonna come over. We're gonna a sleepover
before Christmas too. We are gonna do that. We're gonna
have more prep time together. But I'm just saying, save
your sanity, turn the music on, get the drinks pouring,
and have a good time prepping for your Christmas holiday.
If you're gonna do that or Kwanza, whatever you celebrate.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
You're saying on higher people. I'm for the people out there,
But I'm not just saying I daggling holiday.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
I just want to be clear.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
I said in my family members, I said, so they
are going to help my family member. I said, they're
wh have a sleepover, We're gonna prepare stuff too. But
I'm saying I did have some extra support my mom.
As you all know, I think now she's been in
rehabit so just to make sure you don't let anything
slip through the cracks.

Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
I got a few people and to help us as well.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
So he translation what I'm saying it let me start over, apparently,
let me be very far. I had support that I
paid for Thanksgiving because my mom has been in rehab
and we've been making sure that she had everything she needs.
So normally I can just lock in. I couldn't just
lock in, and I was exhausted. In addition to that,
we have family members who also prepared things and came over.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
It was the day of the day of, It's too late.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
My recommendation is for the people who pay, who volunteer
for your family members to come help, have them come
beforehand so that you can get prepared ahead of time
and things can be ready on time the day of.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
That is, get prepared beforehand.

Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
Yes, yes, I think everybody got it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
But you just classes a chef.

Speaker 6 (01:23:34):
We do that too, but you do what I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Will anoint you chef and so chef and cousin so so.

Speaker 5 (01:23:41):
But you also you can look at people. You can
look at people and tell who ain't supposed to be
in the kitchen. Yes, and also I mean I love animals.
I had a snake going up. I love dogs, but
but they will interrogate you, Tiffany, about the habits you
have with your dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Walk in the kitchen, what habit like is your is your.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
Dog one of the ones in the pocket that'll be
licking on your face.

Speaker 6 (01:24:03):
And you feed the straight from you can't.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
You can't come in the kitchen around the foods, the
kitchen household you ever been in.

Speaker 6 (01:24:14):
There's some black people that will feed their dogs straight
out of pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
They may be, but there's a protocols.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
I agree. I'm telling you, first of all, protocol will
be established.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
It's you will, which is why they say yeah already. No, No,
I'm not saying they don't have they don't feed their pets,
you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
But there are black people who like the things that
you are talking about. There are black people who do that,
who will like have their dogs cooking.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
Them in the mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Instagram of black people pets it is. That's one of
my favorite files. But you see in the kitchen and
some black people that drives me crazy, Like you see this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
I love cooking videos videos, but I just can't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
I can't the counter dogs that that is eat there
on pull.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
I'm aligned with Tiffany on this. Yeah, this is you should.

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
Be double dipping in the pot.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
Neither if you put your hand in the pot or
put your or your spoon and you double dip.

Speaker 5 (01:25:10):
Yeah, I don't do double different. I mean if you
have a tender and you dip it in, then that's
the only thing I find to be acceptable in of
like a chicken tender.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Like if you have a tender and you're dipping in
the person tender you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
About I thought you were talking about the little small.

Speaker 6 (01:25:36):
Start a debate, and so you get to Andrews.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Yet I co signed Tiffany's that he.

Speaker 6 (01:25:43):
Was about the dog. Don't don't get a dog for
Chris line.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
With because as you you threw me under the bus, befo,
I got you know, off the bus.

Speaker 6 (01:25:51):
Impossible, wish you were an animal.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
Get under the bus. If I'm still on the bus.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
Well anywhere to the back of the bus, please get
out the back the best because.

Speaker 6 (01:26:02):
Anniversary of best Boycotts.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Shout out to Rosa Parks and everybody that came before.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Welcome home, everybody, welcome, welcome, welcome home.

Speaker 6 (01:26:13):
And because I have a next election.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
I beg your pardon. I think there will be no
one or how many days left unto the next election.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Oh right, yeah, sorry, I mean I know that, but
but I thought you said there will be another election.
But yes, there will, and it will be in three
hundred and thirty four days. Three hundred and thirty four
days until the next national election, which will take place
in your various states. Now please check your state local
calendars because you all will have primaries prior to that,
depending upon where you live participating that am Welcome Yachia, Welcome,

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