September 9, 2025 • 32 mins
The Supreme Court lifted restrictions on I.C.E. this week, allowing agents to profile people for arrest based on things like speaking English with an accent, work location, and race/ethnicity.
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Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello everybody, and welcome home, as we say on Native LAMPOD.
I am your host, Angela Rai. It is Solo Pod
Day and I am thrilled to be joined today by
some extraordinary legal scholars to break down some very very
pressing news in this country right now. Many of y'all
have probably heard by now that the Supreme Court undermined
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a black appointed judge who is a black woman in
California appointed by Joe Biden, who issued a stay in
a decision around ice invasion. Let's call it what it is.
Ice is invasion in Los Angeles. We know that Donald
Trump has been targeting blue states and blue cities, and
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in particular cities that are run by black people. So
of course the black mayor in Los Angeles is Karen Vass.
They saw it as a victory and put Ice at bay.
They put Ice on ice for just a little while.
But yesterday the Supreme Court, under the guidance of Brett Kavanaugh,
decided that the role of the court should not be
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in law enforcement right and So today we are going
to be talking to some incredible people who I trust
in this space and in so many others, about what
ICE the new authority that ICE has because of the
Supreme Court continuing to cave to Donald Trump, we do
have some dissenters. Leading the descent in yesterday's decision was
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Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, and of course concurring was
Elena Kagan and our very own Katanji Brown Jackson. So
I do want to get into this. This case is
a Gnome versus Pedro Vasquez Perdomo, and I want us
to talk about what this means, not just for LA,
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not just for DC, not just for Chicago where we're
starting to see some interference. And joining me today is
not a Jumfie, who, as you all will recall, is
the executive director of Black Alliance for Just Immigration and
also my favorite upcoming lawyer, A B. Tucker, who you
all will know from all things social media. She kills
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it with great regularity, as she does it in common
sense terms. So you're gonna be like, y'all will be like,
what's a stay, what's a concurring opinion? What's a dissent?
What are all of these things? What do they mean?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And what does it have to do with me?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
AB can break it down to the lowest common denominator
or like we say, break it down like fresh. So, ladies,
welcome and thank you so much for being here. Native
Lampard is always a home to you. What is going
on in these streets? And this got you?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
What is happening? What is the Supreme Court do it?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Now? I want to start with you because you you
organizing us and getting us together and still show up
glowing with the anointing on you. So there must still
be hope somewhere. Thank you. Yes, there's hope somewhere. There's
hope with us. That's where the hope is the people.
So what is going on is that this regime and
its supporters in the Supreme Court are getting on all fours.
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They have just decided that they're just going to be
who they are. They're going to revive the techniques of
the crash units at LAPD, the jump out boys of NYPD,
we can go, you know, the torture the cops in Chicago,
and they're going to say that all of that is
okay because it's all right to racially profile people. It's
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all right to profile people based upon the jobs that
they work at. It's all right to profile people based
upon whether or not they have an accent. And you know,
but also we're going to pretend that that's not racially
profiling people, right, And we understand this specifically as black people,
immigrant or citizen, because when we think about how our
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children ended up on gang databases, hello, when we think
about the racial profile that had us being stopped left
and right, stopped and frisked, stopped in our cars. The
whole Black Lives Matter movement and movement for black lives
is about how people are Black people being racially profiled
and then ended up dead or injured. And this Supreme
Court has said, yes, that is fine, and it's also
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don't worry Angela because you just have to carry a
pass or a passport around And so when they stop
you because they think that you're from the Caribbean, that
don't worry. You just got to pull out your passport.
When we know that we don't want our people to
be under that pass condition and we can't. We got
black folks that can't get a real ID. So who
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are we really talking about here? And I think that
is just it. So I want to get into this
Supreme Court case in all of its meanings, particularly around profiling.
But I need y'all to put a pin in this
because so I don't forget. But I also want to
make sure we're clear about is that the Supreme Court
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ain't trying to use race in no other space where
it's beneficial, but they do want to use it where
it could be harmful, right like they are. They're willing
to call out how many millions of people are here
in the United States illegally or in an undocumented way
at the very beginning of what they lay out as
facts in this decision, But they do not want to
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talk about the benefits of using race and college admissions
and using it in contracting and using it in hiring.
They don't want to talk about it anywhere else. So
I think that is anyway we need to get to
that too, because I think it is that there's a
way to tell people you don't belong without saying you
don't belong. So I definitely want to talk about that.
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But Abe, let me come to you when you reflect
on what you understand to be the case for me
yesterday when you're breaking down sis. How do you how
do you tell the laymen how this applies to them,
especially the those who are like, well, I'm cool with
ice on these streets because they don't apply to me.
So how do you break this down to them? Okay,
if you.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Don't look white, then you should not be cool with
ice because they may not be cool with you. Right
at the end of the day, the decision specifically said,
there's what ten percent of the population in Los Angeles
is allegedly illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America. What
they said was is use your common sense. If I
look at you and you look Latino. If I look
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at you and you're at home depot, right, and you Latino.
I look at you at home depot and Latino, and
you got paint on your shoes. I look at you.
Your look Latino, you're at home depot, you got paint
on your shoes, and your English is a little bit shiky.
Come on to get in the back of this paddywagon
real quick. Let me holler at you, right Like, that's
essentially what they're saying, and it has everything to do
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with you, because even if it's not you today, it's
going to be you tomorrow. Right. It was us as
black people, as was mentioned, right when you think about
stopping for terry stops came from an officer stopping a
black man because a legend he looked, he looked suspicious, right,
And then they came up with this whole idea of
it's not really race, it's just you kind of look
a little funny because of where you're at. Right, So
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it went from us as black people, and they was like, okay,
as cool as black people, and now it's a whole
nother population of people. But let's also talk about the
white people from Europe that are here who've overstayed their visa, right,
which you as well should be illegal. So do I
get to look at a white person in their face? Right?
As Elizabeth if she on the road right now, she said,
I'm gonna go to the sea bass stops and look
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at white people and stake out if you're a school shooter, right, Like,
is that what we're going? Is that what everybody's gonna
do at this point, because that's what it comes down to.
I look at you and I say, you don't look
like you belong here, and they're saying they don't think
we belong here. You just had a US senator from
Missouri who literally said this not y'all stuff. This was
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for us. Our ancestors left it for us, and if
we have it for everybody, well then it ain't for.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Us no more.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So they're staying at out louds. So you could be
cool with ice until you're in the back of the
patty wagon. And I think, can I just add to that, yes, no,
go ahead, absolutely, because when we think about LA, for
any of you who have been in LA, there are
black immigrants here. You may not know they're black immigrants
until you know they get killed, and then it's like
nipsey hustle, What are these eritreans doing here? Right then
you find the information. But that's not going to be
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the case in Chicago. That's not going to be the
case in New York. That's not going to be the
case in Baltimore. All of us are living together, and
all three of us right here could be black immigrants,
and that's at least what they're going to say. And
they have all the federal agencies working together. And if
you look at Kavanaugh's opinion, he talks about people reasonable
suspicion for violating immigration law or federal law. We already
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see that playing out in New York, right, and the
mean in DC wherever they're using everybody to profile black people,
especially black youth. And that's what's going to come to
Chicago and to black folks wherever you are across this
country if this is allowed to stand.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So on this, let's get to kavanav for just a moment,
because Judge from pong I Hope I'm pronouncing her last name, right,
who made this initial ruling from the Central District of California,
again a Biden appointee, said that reasonable suspicion cannot rest
solely on any combination of four factors apparent race or ethnicity,
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speaking in Spanish or accented English, being present at a
location where undocumented immigrants are quote known together, and working
at specific jobs such as landscaping or construction. So she
basically outlawed with her ruling racial profiling, right or immigrant
immigrant profiling, maybe not immigrant profile, racial profile. And let's
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call it what it is because some of these people
that speak with these things, that are in these places
are not undocumented people. So what Judge Kavanaugh does is say,
hold up right to her ruling and say we're gonna
let this whole appeal play out. And while this appeal,
Trump's appeal is playing out, y'all can go on about
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your business and keep doing what you're doing, which is
terrorizing community. Now, given the fact that you're in LA
right now, can you talk about some of what you've
seen as an outgrowth of some of this terror and
what you're preparing for as folks shift their attention to Chicago.
So just this morning I got noticed from some people
doing court watching Criminal Courts Building downtown La. You know
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that building, several people picked up just as they're walking
out of the building, they angela are already Just this
morning court started at eight thirty am, you know Pacific
eleven thirty Eastern Dome. They already picked depth, she said,
tens of people as they came out, not asking them questions,
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not having warrants, just running grabbing folks that, as far
as they were concerned, fit the description right and taking them.
What this means and what people have seen and are
continuing to see, is it means that people are being
ripped out of, you know, their children's arms. People are
being chased like enslaved Africans trying to be free in
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home depot down, the aisles of home depot down. You know,
people are being chased in these agricultural farms. People are
being having folks just show up wherever they think that
folks could be. So the swap meets those taco trucks,
like all the things actually that make LA kind of live.
People are being grabbed up African vendors, you know, those
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vendors that are you know, selling their Louis Patan and
all of that. They are grabbing those folks, and some
of those folks that's the only way that our whole
crew is able to survive. So what we're seeing is tears.
We're also seeing defiance though, right, and we're seeing a
lot of people helping out people. You're minding people what
their rights are in that moment, trying to comfort people,
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getting their information, community defense. But what Kavanaugh has done
because also to remember, when they do this type of
shadow docket thing, they don't have to say anything. They
could just say no. Kavanaugh purposefully did a concurrence so
that he could lay out the way in which racial
profiling should happen. And I don't think that it's a
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coincidence that this happened right before they claim they're going
into Chicago and Baltimore. I do not angelatte A B.
I think this is to let them know you can
go after those Negroes the same way we've done god
after these immigrants over here. Let me ask y'all this
because this is an area that I've been honing in
on watching some of the decisions come out of this
Supreme Court. And it's a question y'all might not like
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me for, but we sister, so we're gonna talk through it.
The question is on standing now. He did bring up
standing in this concurrence, and he said that the challengers
likely lack a legal right to suit known as standing,
because although they may have been stopped in the past,
they have no good basis to believe that law enforcement
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will unlawfully stop them in future in the future based
on the prohibited factors. Now, y'all, the reason why I'm
bringing this up is because I do think that historically
we have been able to say we're gonna come at
this proactively and given that this type of person wouldn't
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fit the mold, even based on what they've laid out
as reasons for racial profiling like they would fit the
mold because there's not an existing harm. This court ain't
full of with it. I'm watching them time after they
did it to AFG, so I'm like, why are we
not responding with somebody with actual standing? Now you could
say no, no, I can hear you all right. You
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could say, well, Gerde would, but Rodney's behind bars right now,
get him. We need Rodney. We need Rodney. You know
what I'm saying? Why are we not learning this lesson?
Y'all might be mad at me. I'm telling the family business,
but I want us to get better, So y'all help me.
Why are we learning this lesson around standing? Who do
you want to say? Hey, you ready to catch me out?
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Whoever feels I would say two things. I think I
would say. Part of it is that this is why
we have to have multiple lawsuits on things, because sometimes
there's a wax on and a wax off, right, I
think number one. I think number two, And I think
it's important because and this is why you gotta center
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black people. If you notice there are no black orgs
in this thing, that's another conversation, Okay. In terms of
plaintifs filing et cetera. But we would bring in maybe
a different kind of understanding of the racial profiling piece
to be able to argue that a little bit better.
I will say that if I was in front of
the Supreme Court now, one of the points I would
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make is that your decision, Justice Kavanaugh, actually means that
all of us are in perpetual standing because you have
decided that these people can pick us up at any time.
So unless I'm in detention and deportation right now, I
have standing because you have put me as having standing.
Thank you so very much. Let us continue to the
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next thing. That's good now, Nana. That's now, here's the
thing that is the case now that was not the
case when he issued the opinion. And that's what I'm saying, Like,
I think that is brilliant, and you should say that everywhere,
not just here on this podcast. Please go forth and
say it everywhere. And also we're going to do the
same thing. We might attribute it to you. We may not,
but because you know, the Supreme Court might allow us
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to plagiarize. At this point, we don't know or we're going,
but this is a great point, Like now, your decision
makes it so that we all have standing. So now
it's going to be about a million of us as
plain on this next round, right, Like that's exact exactly, Yes,
then that's what we should do. I want to hear,
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hayp what you got to fight me on it?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Lit's hear. I just feel like we've been here before,
which is why we know better, right, We've had to
have these type of cases before, which is why I
thought it was ironic to bring up the fact that
there are no black organizations on here. We used to
setting up a gameplay and having somebody ready to fight
this fight. Right, So when you think about Rosa Parks,
for example, we were brought up to think, oh, she
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just was tired that day whole time. That was plotted
in the background because we knew what was coming. We
were two steps ahead. I think we're two steps ahead now.
It's just unfortunately it ain't our demographic per se, right
in terms of the language that they used in this
particular court case. Although we know that this applies to
broader right, the broader of us as a whole. So
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that's my first thing. Second thing is I'm with you,
go get right right and pooky about the pan real quick.
Unless utilize this and do what we need to do
to fight this right here, right now, before they start
trying to find other things that beat us to the punch.
What happened to is he did Kavanaugh tried to beat
us to the punch and said, well, no, you don't
have stand up because of this. Not thinking that we
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have the intellectual ability to think outside the box and
go around your language. That's where you are losing. And
that's why y'all don't want us to be educated. But
it's too late, right you have three attorneys on the
panel right now. We know how to think outside of
your language. We were taught your language too, and now
you're not using it properly to be able to stop
us in this case, I too could be a plaintiff.
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Guess what, sometimes my English and all the way great
off of comptent, I grew up around Latinos. Sometimes I
got a little Latino accent. Imagine me get stopped. You
get what I'm saying. So any of us at any
point could be that. And we do need to start
riding and getting ready to set up for that case,
because as soon as they get to Chicago, said matter
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of fact, they already just landed in Chicago. Right then,
the article just come out that they just landed in Chicago.
We got about less than twenty four hours before we
actually have a case that we need to start defending.
We got standing now, yeah, and we need to stand
in the gap. Speaking of standing, I will say, you
know to this point, Abe, you take me back to
what Malcolm X said, Plymouth rock landed on us, and
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since it did, we got to get this rock up
off us.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Nana. So let me ask you this. You have been
also engaged in how to prepare Chicago for what's coming.
So for those folks in Chicago who are watching or
listening to this show, how are you telling them to prepare?
How do they meet the moment? Given all that to ahead,
So the first thing is to not be isolated. The
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first thing when you're afraid is you feel like, Okay,
let me get into my little box or stay in
my house, or stay under the bed. No, there are
organizations that are doing such good work and working together.
Like I am so proud of Chicago and I ain't
even from Chicago, you know, I got relatives there, and
I'm trying to buy into that, buy into the Chicago world.
They have iSER, which is the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant
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and Refugee Rights, working with groups like the Black Worker
Center out there. They have churches that are out there.
I know that our good folks, but that's the Jamal
Bryant and Natasha Brown were out there right. So if
they have national people, they have local people. Jump into that.
Number two. If you go to Baji's website, if you
follow us at Instabaji, you can get information about knowing
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your rights in various languages. Because again we know that
there are black people, lots of black people. One out
of every five black people in this country is either
an immigrant or a child of immigrants. And so you
can't have twenty percent of your population vulnerable and it
doesn't mean something. Let alone mixed families, right, people that
are married to people, et cetera. And so we have information,
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we have emergency preparedness information. All three of us right
here should have a plan. If you reach out to
me and you can't find me, I should have a
plan for what happens next because I need Angela and
Ab to get into gear. I need you to call Judith,
and I need you to make sure that I'm covered right,
and people should be doing that in Chicago right now.
We are making sure that we're together, get in where
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you fit in, because there's so much to be done
and they're so and I know that people are interested
in making sure to do it because we're going to
defend our communities. We're going to turn them back in Chicago,
just like we did at the beginning of this administration
when they went limping. The regime had to limp away
sadly with their tail between their legs because folks did
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not let them come grab people up in Chicago like
they thought they would. I'm telling you. So here's the thing.
First of all, I love this podcast. Let me find
out that this is the best Coast podcast. But my
favorite moments are getting where you fit in and who
and we're gonna be who righting on ice. So I
love this because I feel right at home. This is
all my slang. I just you know, for everybody who's
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home today, just know this is the best Coast podcast.
Let me just you know, go to doves up real quick. Okay,
I'm back on it. So I think that what I
wanted back into now is we know and we say
it all the time till we're buling the face. I'm
tired of it. Elections have consequences. One of the chief
consequences we've seen is what has happened with the Supreme Court.
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When we look at the constitutional crisis, we're in the
fact that democracy and all of its things are at
stake where we need to know for black people at home,
as that means we're on the front line, whether we
ask to be there or not. And so on this
when we think about the strides that we made in
twenty twenty around white people finally be like, oh my god,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
What books should I read? Write?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And can my organization write you a check? Yes, we'll
take the guilt. Money, will take the guilt reads. However,
the guilt didn't last very long. Trouble don't last our
ways unless you're black. So it did come back on that.
It is existing again in the Supreme Court. We know
they've been trying to tear up affirmative action policy for
mini medi a year. They did it successfully last summer,
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and now here we are with them saying, oh, actually
it's not colorblind. You can use race if you're targeting
someone to deport, right, So can we just for a moment,
not basking it because we are not at all excited
about it. But can we for a moment talk about
the hypocrisy and seeing race where it hurts but not
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seeing race where it helps.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Well, they always see race when it hurts them, right,
So when you think about education and getting in school
and getting opportunities and jobs, right, it hurts them racially,
So then they see race, right, the white person right
when they talk about their birth rates are going down
and things like that. When race hurts them, they are
no longer color blind. But when it hurts others and
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it's harm for the others, all of a sudden, it's
just no, it's just bad circumstances for people, and that's
that's not right. Like, and I think that's why I'm
so particular about talking about language, because I'm like, it's
all in language and not so much in their intent,
because their intent is to harm us. But they'll speak
to us like, no, that's not what we just want
to make it fair for everybody, okay, and this is
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how we balance out fairness, right, this is how you
have equality, and you're refusing to do that. So quite frankly,
they full of it, and like you said, elections have consequences,
but they also have rewards. And I think that we
as black people should be rewarded with the opportunity now
to fight back and educate our communities and take our
power back, because we got lacks of days to go
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for a little bit, right, and we thought everything was
cool when we was kumbaya and it looked like things
are progressing. But that's not when you stop the fight.
It's when you're starting to get that progress and things
are starting to move forward that you got to kick
up even more and you got to kick and hide
gear even more to get ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Of the game.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And that's what we just didn't do. Right, Nobody to blame,
that's just what we didn't do. So now let's take
the reward of we have the ability to take collective action.
We've already seen this playbook before. We got the playbook
in nine hundred pages, right, we can split it up
and figure out how to combat that, and we should
take our communities back and take power in our communities.
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You don't want to educate us properly, It's okay. We'll
educate them ourselves. And now we'll actually indoctrinate them as
y'all like to say with the real and the real
is these people are racist and it's all about race
when it comes to them. Everything our laws are written
with race in the center. So there's no way that
we will ever be a color find nation. I'll leave
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it about that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, I would add to that. There's something that
I remember Miss Sherlyn Eiffel saying that struck me. Not
that it's the only thing, but that struck me when
they struck down affirmative action education, and she said, you
know what, that was our compromise, and we need to
go for what we actually want right. And I think
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that is another opportunity that we're getting here, is that
one of the consequences of these elections has also been
that we've had to understand and remember what our power
is and what we actually want right and so do
we want DEI Actually that is a compromise that was
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to keep them and their mediocre cells. I almost cussed.
Feel like they were giving us a space to be
it we should be in all this space. Actually, we
just want to be able to do what we need
to do at our highest, fullest potential. And if that
means that you all are not these other folks are
not able to keep up there. You know, Kavanaugh, I
drink beer, is not able to be on the Supreme Court.
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So be it, because you don't need to be there actually, right,
And I think that on all of these fronts, in
the front of immigration, I shouldn't have to be a
citizen to live in this country. White people go they
live in Ghana and they just live there and they
have to become a citizen and they enjoy their lives
because they get to have The Earth is their turf, happen.
The earth be your turf. We were here first on
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this planet. The earth is our turf. And so what
we want is a world in which you can live
wherever you need to live in order for you to thrive.
You only get one life, and you should be able
to thrive right with your communities and with your families.
And so that's what I would say. Yes, they say
that there's no race here, they always are thinking of race,
even when they say we're trying to be colorblind. As
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ab just pointed out, that's always a lie. But I
think as we're pushing for what that means, we need
to push for what we actually want unapologetically unabashedly. We
want it all, brand new, socks, draws, pomp poms, everything,
we want it blank blank too. That's right, that's right.
(27:00):
I don't think I've ever heard socks, draws, and pom
poms together, but I'm here for it. Okay again, y'all,
this is the best Coast podcast. It ain't even Happy
Hour right now, but it is somewhere. We ain't drinking
on the clock. We were born like this. Okay, we
come at it truth. We're that right there though.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
So I don't know if y'all have any parting words
for our folks. I'm gonna urge our people. We always
have a call to action at the end of our shows.
I'm gonna urge y'all to go back and read this decision.
I know that when you hear about a Supreme Court ruling,
there's something about that that may feel intimidating. I want
you to go back and read it, and I don't
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want to start you off in anger. So I'm gonna
start you off with Sonya son on Myor's Descent. Read
Brett Kavanaugh's concurring decision. Know that the rest of them
hosts just said, nah, we don't like it, just go
forth and do what you do. Ice. So there's nothing
really there, but that concurring decision is important. And what
Sonya Soda Mayors said is it also important because if
they don't start to pivot in the way that Justice
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Soda Mayora and Justice Brown Jackson have suggested, we are
in more of a constitutional crisis and much closer to
authoritarianism than they would let on. So I would urge
you to do that. Ladies, I want to hear from you.
What do you want people to do at home? Go ahead, Aby.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Now. Honestly, my big push right now is vote on
November fourth in California Tribe District. Let's start there. But
aside from that, like, don't get discouraged by these things, right,
I think we did get this ruling and it does
seem bad. Un Let's remember that this is not a
rulin on the merits right, which means it's not like
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the meat and potatoes and the actual case. It is
just some bull crap ultimately, and it can be fearful.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
But don't move.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
We shouldn't be moving with our hands down like, oh
we lost again, because I feel like the Trump administration
has lost more times in court than they want, right,
And the more pro octave and the more allowed, and
the more together we are, our truly do feel like
the more change we're able to make. It may be
small baby steps, but as long as we're taking those
atomic steps, we gonna get somewhere eventually, you know what
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I'm saying. So we have to keep pushing back and
just not get discouraged by this.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I know it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I know it's overwhelming, and I know a lot of
us don't even understand what's going on for us, so
it's easy for us to check out. But do your
best to just stay educated, stay in the know, right,
follow stuff like this the Native Land podcast where we're
speaking in y'all language and we're talking to you, right, like,
keep yourself involved and just don't get buggled down by
(29:39):
the bullcrap. Because we won before we could do it again. Absolutely,
And I'll remind us that we are alchemists, so we
actually never lose. We're like Naja, we never lose, Okay,
we take the things. Even when it's something like this.
It's a reminder to us maybe some folks were think that,
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oh we're safe. Maybe some folks are thinking Oh, it's
just gonna be damn. Now they remind us, oh, no,
this is how we actually think. This is how we're
actually moving. It wasn't just about the price of eggs.
It was about much more than that.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
So that we can be more intentional about how we're
doing things together, right, got to ask folks to follow
at instabagie to get more information because there's so much
that we need to keep up with, and we try
to do so in a way that connects us as
a diaspora and black folks that are African American, black
folks that are black immigrant because what this is is
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a white supremacist fascism that is targeting black people specifically.
But they can't deal with our technology, which is us.
That's why we always win. We're talking about a people
that don't know the difference. They can't understand how bad
could be good, you know what I mean. They can't
understand how cool could be hot. They don't even have
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the fought process to keep up with our language, let
alone to keep up with our moves, right, And so
we've got to know that and know that victory is
certain as long as we're moving together. Well, hey, b
I'm surprised you can plug your She's I am legally hype.
I am legally hype on social. Make sure that y'all
(31:22):
follow her. She breaks it down, I'm telling you, and
not a jump fee. I love you so much. You
guys are the best, and I'm so grateful that Smith
is legal. It's not even a legal hour, a legal
half hour with some brilliant legal minds. We will be
back because y'all, you know it's gonna be somewhere nonsense,
So just get ready. We're gonna be the special legal panel,
break it all down, break it all down, all right,
(31:44):
love exactly, all right, y'all, thank you so much. Shout
out to Nana, ed to Abu. We will see you also.
Welcome home, everybody, and with that we out We hope
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Hello everybody, and welcome home, as we say on Native LAMPOD.
I am your host, Angela Rai. It is Solo Pod
Day and I am thrilled to be joined today by
some extraordinary legal scholars to break down some very very
pressing news in this country right now. Many of y'all
have probably heard by now that the Supreme Court undermined
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a black appointed judge who is a black woman in
California appointed by Joe Biden, who issued a stay in
a decision around ice invasion. Let's call it what it is.
Ice is invasion in Los Angeles. We know that Donald
Trump has been targeting blue states and blue cities, and
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in particular cities that are run by black people. So
of course the black mayor in Los Angeles is Karen Vass.
They saw it as a victory and put Ice at bay.
They put Ice on ice for just a little while.
But yesterday the Supreme Court, under the guidance of Brett Kavanaugh,
decided that the role of the court should not be
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in law enforcement right and So today we are going
to be talking to some incredible people who I trust
in this space and in so many others, about what
ICE the new authority that ICE has because of the
Supreme Court continuing to cave to Donald Trump, we do
have some dissenters. Leading the descent in yesterday's decision was
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Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, and of course concurring was
Elena Kagan and our very own Katanji Brown Jackson. So
I do want to get into this. This case is
a Gnome versus Pedro Vasquez Perdomo, and I want us
to talk about what this means, not just for LA,
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not just for DC, not just for Chicago where we're
starting to see some interference. And joining me today is
not a Jumfie, who, as you all will recall, is
the executive director of Black Alliance for Just Immigration and
also my favorite upcoming lawyer, A B. Tucker, who you
all will know from all things social media. She kills
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it with great regularity, as she does it in common
sense terms. So you're gonna be like, y'all will be like,
what's a stay, what's a concurring opinion? What's a dissent?
What are all of these things? What do they mean?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
And what does it have to do with me?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
AB can break it down to the lowest common denominator
or like we say, break it down like fresh. So, ladies,
welcome and thank you so much for being here. Native
Lampard is always a home to you. What is going
on in these streets? And this got you?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
What is happening? What is the Supreme Court do it?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Now? I want to start with you because you you
organizing us and getting us together and still show up
glowing with the anointing on you. So there must still
be hope somewhere. Thank you. Yes, there's hope somewhere. There's
hope with us. That's where the hope is the people.
So what is going on is that this regime and
its supporters in the Supreme Court are getting on all fours.
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They have just decided that they're just going to be
who they are. They're going to revive the techniques of
the crash units at LAPD, the jump out boys of NYPD,
we can go, you know, the torture the cops in Chicago,
and they're going to say that all of that is
okay because it's all right to racially profile people. It's
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all right to profile people based upon the jobs that
they work at. It's all right to profile people based
upon whether or not they have an accent. And you know,
but also we're going to pretend that that's not racially
profiling people, right, And we understand this specifically as black people,
immigrant or citizen, because when we think about how our
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children ended up on gang databases, hello, when we think
about the racial profile that had us being stopped left
and right, stopped and frisked, stopped in our cars. The
whole Black Lives Matter movement and movement for black lives
is about how people are Black people being racially profiled
and then ended up dead or injured. And this Supreme
Court has said, yes, that is fine, and it's also
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don't worry Angela because you just have to carry a
pass or a passport around And so when they stop
you because they think that you're from the Caribbean, that
don't worry. You just got to pull out your passport.
When we know that we don't want our people to
be under that pass condition and we can't. We got
black folks that can't get a real ID. So who
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are we really talking about here? And I think that
is just it. So I want to get into this
Supreme Court case in all of its meanings, particularly around profiling.
But I need y'all to put a pin in this
because so I don't forget. But I also want to
make sure we're clear about is that the Supreme Court
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ain't trying to use race in no other space where
it's beneficial, but they do want to use it where
it could be harmful, right like they are. They're willing
to call out how many millions of people are here
in the United States illegally or in an undocumented way
at the very beginning of what they lay out as
facts in this decision, But they do not want to
(05:23):
talk about the benefits of using race and college admissions
and using it in contracting and using it in hiring.
They don't want to talk about it anywhere else. So
I think that is anyway we need to get to
that too, because I think it is that there's a
way to tell people you don't belong without saying you
don't belong. So I definitely want to talk about that.
(05:47):
But Abe, let me come to you when you reflect
on what you understand to be the case for me
yesterday when you're breaking down sis. How do you how
do you tell the laymen how this applies to them,
especially the those who are like, well, I'm cool with
ice on these streets because they don't apply to me.
So how do you break this down to them? Okay,
if you.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Don't look white, then you should not be cool with
ice because they may not be cool with you. Right
at the end of the day, the decision specifically said,
there's what ten percent of the population in Los Angeles
is allegedly illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America. What
they said was is use your common sense. If I
look at you and you look Latino. If I look
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at you and you're at home depot, right, and you Latino.
I look at you at home depot and Latino, and
you got paint on your shoes. I look at you.
Your look Latino, you're at home depot, you got paint
on your shoes, and your English is a little bit shiky.
Come on to get in the back of this paddywagon
real quick. Let me holler at you, right Like, that's
essentially what they're saying, and it has everything to do
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with you, because even if it's not you today, it's
going to be you tomorrow. Right. It was us as
black people, as was mentioned, right when you think about
stopping for terry stops came from an officer stopping a
black man because a legend he looked, he looked suspicious, right,
And then they came up with this whole idea of
it's not really race, it's just you kind of look
a little funny because of where you're at. Right, So
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it went from us as black people, and they was like, okay,
as cool as black people, and now it's a whole
nother population of people. But let's also talk about the
white people from Europe that are here who've overstayed their visa, right,
which you as well should be illegal. So do I
get to look at a white person in their face? Right?
As Elizabeth if she on the road right now, she said,
I'm gonna go to the sea bass stops and look
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at white people and stake out if you're a school shooter, right, Like,
is that what we're going? Is that what everybody's gonna
do at this point, because that's what it comes down to.
I look at you and I say, you don't look
like you belong here, and they're saying they don't think
we belong here. You just had a US senator from
Missouri who literally said this not y'all stuff. This was
(08:01):
for us. Our ancestors left it for us, and if
we have it for everybody, well then it ain't for.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Us no more.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So they're staying at out louds. So you could be
cool with ice until you're in the back of the
patty wagon. And I think, can I just add to that, yes, no,
go ahead, absolutely, because when we think about LA, for
any of you who have been in LA, there are
black immigrants here. You may not know they're black immigrants
until you know they get killed, and then it's like
nipsey hustle, What are these eritreans doing here? Right then
you find the information. But that's not going to be
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the case in Chicago. That's not going to be the
case in New York. That's not going to be the
case in Baltimore. All of us are living together, and
all three of us right here could be black immigrants,
and that's at least what they're going to say. And
they have all the federal agencies working together. And if
you look at Kavanaugh's opinion, he talks about people reasonable
suspicion for violating immigration law or federal law. We already
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see that playing out in New York, right, and the
mean in DC wherever they're using everybody to profile black people,
especially black youth. And that's what's going to come to
Chicago and to black folks wherever you are across this
country if this is allowed to stand.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So on this, let's get to kavanav for just a moment,
because Judge from pong I Hope I'm pronouncing her last name, right,
who made this initial ruling from the Central District of California,
again a Biden appointee, said that reasonable suspicion cannot rest
solely on any combination of four factors apparent race or ethnicity,
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speaking in Spanish or accented English, being present at a
location where undocumented immigrants are quote known together, and working
at specific jobs such as landscaping or construction. So she
basically outlawed with her ruling racial profiling, right or immigrant
immigrant profiling, maybe not immigrant profile, racial profile. And let's
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call it what it is because some of these people
that speak with these things, that are in these places
are not undocumented people. So what Judge Kavanaugh does is say,
hold up right to her ruling and say we're gonna
let this whole appeal play out. And while this appeal,
Trump's appeal is playing out, y'all can go on about
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your business and keep doing what you're doing, which is
terrorizing community. Now, given the fact that you're in LA
right now, can you talk about some of what you've
seen as an outgrowth of some of this terror and
what you're preparing for as folks shift their attention to Chicago.
So just this morning I got noticed from some people
doing court watching Criminal Courts Building downtown La. You know
(10:44):
that building, several people picked up just as they're walking
out of the building, they angela are already Just this
morning court started at eight thirty am, you know Pacific
eleven thirty Eastern Dome. They already picked depth, she said,
tens of people as they came out, not asking them questions,
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not having warrants, just running grabbing folks that, as far
as they were concerned, fit the description right and taking them.
What this means and what people have seen and are
continuing to see, is it means that people are being
ripped out of, you know, their children's arms. People are
being chased like enslaved Africans trying to be free in
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home depot down, the aisles of home depot down. You know,
people are being chased in these agricultural farms. People are
being having folks just show up wherever they think that
folks could be. So the swap meets those taco trucks,
like all the things actually that make LA kind of live.
People are being grabbed up African vendors, you know, those
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vendors that are you know, selling their Louis Patan and
all of that. They are grabbing those folks, and some
of those folks that's the only way that our whole
crew is able to survive. So what we're seeing is tears.
We're also seeing defiance though, right, and we're seeing a
lot of people helping out people. You're minding people what
their rights are in that moment, trying to comfort people,
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getting their information, community defense. But what Kavanaugh has done
because also to remember, when they do this type of
shadow docket thing, they don't have to say anything. They
could just say no. Kavanaugh purposefully did a concurrence so
that he could lay out the way in which racial
profiling should happen. And I don't think that it's a
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coincidence that this happened right before they claim they're going
into Chicago and Baltimore. I do not angelatte A B.
I think this is to let them know you can
go after those Negroes the same way we've done god
after these immigrants over here. Let me ask y'all this
because this is an area that I've been honing in
on watching some of the decisions come out of this
Supreme Court. And it's a question y'all might not like
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me for, but we sister, so we're gonna talk through it.
The question is on standing now. He did bring up
standing in this concurrence, and he said that the challengers
likely lack a legal right to suit known as standing,
because although they may have been stopped in the past,
they have no good basis to believe that law enforcement
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will unlawfully stop them in future in the future based
on the prohibited factors. Now, y'all, the reason why I'm
bringing this up is because I do think that historically
we have been able to say we're gonna come at
this proactively and given that this type of person wouldn't
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fit the mold, even based on what they've laid out
as reasons for racial profiling like they would fit the
mold because there's not an existing harm. This court ain't
full of with it. I'm watching them time after they
did it to AFG, so I'm like, why are we
not responding with somebody with actual standing? Now you could
say no, no, I can hear you all right. You
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could say, well, Gerde would, but Rodney's behind bars right now,
get him. We need Rodney. We need Rodney. You know
what I'm saying? Why are we not learning this lesson?
Y'all might be mad at me. I'm telling the family business,
but I want us to get better, So y'all help me.
Why are we learning this lesson around standing? Who do
you want to say? Hey, you ready to catch me out?
(14:22):
Whoever feels I would say two things. I think I
would say. Part of it is that this is why
we have to have multiple lawsuits on things, because sometimes
there's a wax on and a wax off, right, I
think number one. I think number two, And I think
it's important because and this is why you gotta center
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black people. If you notice there are no black orgs
in this thing, that's another conversation, Okay. In terms of
plaintifs filing et cetera. But we would bring in maybe
a different kind of understanding of the racial profiling piece
to be able to argue that a little bit better.
I will say that if I was in front of
the Supreme Court now, one of the points I would
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make is that your decision, Justice Kavanaugh, actually means that
all of us are in perpetual standing because you have
decided that these people can pick us up at any time.
So unless I'm in detention and deportation right now, I
have standing because you have put me as having standing.
Thank you so very much. Let us continue to the
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next thing. That's good now, Nana. That's now, here's the
thing that is the case now that was not the
case when he issued the opinion. And that's what I'm saying, Like,
I think that is brilliant, and you should say that everywhere,
not just here on this podcast. Please go forth and
say it everywhere. And also we're going to do the
same thing. We might attribute it to you. We may not,
but because you know, the Supreme Court might allow us
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to plagiarize. At this point, we don't know or we're going,
but this is a great point, Like now, your decision
makes it so that we all have standing. So now
it's going to be about a million of us as
plain on this next round, right, Like that's exact exactly, Yes,
then that's what we should do. I want to hear,
(16:16):
hayp what you got to fight me on it?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Lit's hear. I just feel like we've been here before,
which is why we know better, right, We've had to
have these type of cases before, which is why I
thought it was ironic to bring up the fact that
there are no black organizations on here. We used to
setting up a gameplay and having somebody ready to fight
this fight. Right, So when you think about Rosa Parks,
for example, we were brought up to think, oh, she
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just was tired that day whole time. That was plotted
in the background because we knew what was coming. We
were two steps ahead. I think we're two steps ahead now.
It's just unfortunately it ain't our demographic per se, right
in terms of the language that they used in this
particular court case. Although we know that this applies to
broader right, the broader of us as a whole. So
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that's my first thing. Second thing is I'm with you,
go get right right and pooky about the pan real quick.
Unless utilize this and do what we need to do
to fight this right here, right now, before they start
trying to find other things that beat us to the punch.
What happened to is he did Kavanaugh tried to beat
us to the punch and said, well, no, you don't
have stand up because of this. Not thinking that we
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have the intellectual ability to think outside the box and
go around your language. That's where you are losing. And
that's why y'all don't want us to be educated. But
it's too late, right you have three attorneys on the
panel right now. We know how to think outside of
your language. We were taught your language too, and now
you're not using it properly to be able to stop
us in this case, I too could be a plaintiff.
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Guess what, sometimes my English and all the way great
off of comptent, I grew up around Latinos. Sometimes I
got a little Latino accent. Imagine me get stopped. You
get what I'm saying. So any of us at any
point could be that. And we do need to start
riding and getting ready to set up for that case,
because as soon as they get to Chicago, said matter
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of fact, they already just landed in Chicago. Right then,
the article just come out that they just landed in Chicago.
We got about less than twenty four hours before we
actually have a case that we need to start defending.
We got standing now, yeah, and we need to stand
in the gap. Speaking of standing, I will say, you
know to this point, Abe, you take me back to
what Malcolm X said, Plymouth rock landed on us, and
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since it did, we got to get this rock up
off us.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Nana. So let me ask you this. You have been
also engaged in how to prepare Chicago for what's coming.
So for those folks in Chicago who are watching or
listening to this show, how are you telling them to prepare?
How do they meet the moment? Given all that to ahead,
So the first thing is to not be isolated. The
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first thing when you're afraid is you feel like, Okay,
let me get into my little box or stay in
my house, or stay under the bed. No, there are
organizations that are doing such good work and working together.
Like I am so proud of Chicago and I ain't
even from Chicago, you know, I got relatives there, and
I'm trying to buy into that, buy into the Chicago world.
They have iSER, which is the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant
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and Refugee Rights, working with groups like the Black Worker
Center out there. They have churches that are out there.
I know that our good folks, but that's the Jamal
Bryant and Natasha Brown were out there right. So if
they have national people, they have local people. Jump into that.
Number two. If you go to Baji's website, if you
follow us at Instabaji, you can get information about knowing
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your rights in various languages. Because again we know that
there are black people, lots of black people. One out
of every five black people in this country is either
an immigrant or a child of immigrants. And so you
can't have twenty percent of your population vulnerable and it
doesn't mean something. Let alone mixed families, right, people that
are married to people, et cetera. And so we have information,
(20:00):
we have emergency preparedness information. All three of us right
here should have a plan. If you reach out to
me and you can't find me, I should have a
plan for what happens next because I need Angela and
Ab to get into gear. I need you to call Judith,
and I need you to make sure that I'm covered right,
and people should be doing that in Chicago right now.
We are making sure that we're together, get in where
(20:23):
you fit in, because there's so much to be done
and they're so and I know that people are interested
in making sure to do it because we're going to
defend our communities. We're going to turn them back in Chicago,
just like we did at the beginning of this administration
when they went limping. The regime had to limp away
sadly with their tail between their legs because folks did
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not let them come grab people up in Chicago like
they thought they would. I'm telling you. So here's the thing.
First of all, I love this podcast. Let me find
out that this is the best Coast podcast. But my
favorite moments are getting where you fit in and who
and we're gonna be who righting on ice. So I
love this because I feel right at home. This is
all my slang. I just you know, for everybody who's
(21:08):
home today, just know this is the best Coast podcast.
Let me just you know, go to doves up real quick. Okay,
I'm back on it. So I think that what I
wanted back into now is we know and we say
it all the time till we're buling the face. I'm
tired of it. Elections have consequences. One of the chief
consequences we've seen is what has happened with the Supreme Court.
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When we look at the constitutional crisis, we're in the
fact that democracy and all of its things are at
stake where we need to know for black people at home,
as that means we're on the front line, whether we
ask to be there or not. And so on this
when we think about the strides that we made in
twenty twenty around white people finally be like, oh my god,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
What books should I read? Write?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And can my organization write you a check? Yes, we'll
take the guilt. Money, will take the guilt reads. However,
the guilt didn't last very long. Trouble don't last our
ways unless you're black. So it did come back on that.
It is existing again in the Supreme Court. We know
they've been trying to tear up affirmative action policy for
mini medi a year. They did it successfully last summer,
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and now here we are with them saying, oh, actually
it's not colorblind. You can use race if you're targeting
someone to deport, right, So can we just for a moment,
not basking it because we are not at all excited
about it. But can we for a moment talk about
the hypocrisy and seeing race where it hurts but not
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seeing race where it helps.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Well, they always see race when it hurts them, right,
So when you think about education and getting in school
and getting opportunities and jobs, right, it hurts them racially,
So then they see race, right, the white person right
when they talk about their birth rates are going down
and things like that. When race hurts them, they are
no longer color blind. But when it hurts others and
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it's harm for the others, all of a sudden, it's
just no, it's just bad circumstances for people, and that's
that's not right. Like, and I think that's why I'm
so particular about talking about language, because I'm like, it's
all in language and not so much in their intent,
because their intent is to harm us. But they'll speak
to us like, no, that's not what we just want
to make it fair for everybody, okay, and this is
(23:23):
how we balance out fairness, right, this is how you
have equality, and you're refusing to do that. So quite frankly,
they full of it, and like you said, elections have consequences,
but they also have rewards. And I think that we
as black people should be rewarded with the opportunity now
to fight back and educate our communities and take our
power back, because we got lacks of days to go
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for a little bit, right, and we thought everything was
cool when we was kumbaya and it looked like things
are progressing. But that's not when you stop the fight.
It's when you're starting to get that progress and things
are starting to move forward that you got to kick
up even more and you got to kick and hide
gear even more to get ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Of the game.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And that's what we just didn't do. Right, Nobody to blame,
that's just what we didn't do. So now let's take
the reward of we have the ability to take collective action.
We've already seen this playbook before. We got the playbook
in nine hundred pages, right, we can split it up
and figure out how to combat that, and we should
take our communities back and take power in our communities.
(24:24):
You don't want to educate us properly, It's okay. We'll
educate them ourselves. And now we'll actually indoctrinate them as
y'all like to say with the real and the real
is these people are racist and it's all about race
when it comes to them. Everything our laws are written
with race in the center. So there's no way that
we will ever be a color find nation. I'll leave
(24:46):
it about that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, yeah, I would add to that. There's something that
I remember Miss Sherlyn Eiffel saying that struck me. Not
that it's the only thing, but that struck me when
they struck down affirmative action education, and she said, you
know what, that was our compromise, and we need to
go for what we actually want right. And I think
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that is another opportunity that we're getting here, is that
one of the consequences of these elections has also been
that we've had to understand and remember what our power
is and what we actually want right and so do
we want DEI Actually that is a compromise that was
(25:33):
to keep them and their mediocre cells. I almost cussed.
Feel like they were giving us a space to be
it we should be in all this space. Actually, we
just want to be able to do what we need
to do at our highest, fullest potential. And if that
means that you all are not these other folks are
not able to keep up there. You know, Kavanaugh, I
drink beer, is not able to be on the Supreme Court.
(25:55):
So be it, because you don't need to be there actually, right,
And I think that on all of these fronts, in
the front of immigration, I shouldn't have to be a
citizen to live in this country. White people go they
live in Ghana and they just live there and they
have to become a citizen and they enjoy their lives
because they get to have The Earth is their turf, happen.
The earth be your turf. We were here first on
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this planet. The earth is our turf. And so what
we want is a world in which you can live
wherever you need to live in order for you to thrive.
You only get one life, and you should be able
to thrive right with your communities and with your families.
And so that's what I would say. Yes, they say
that there's no race here, they always are thinking of race,
even when they say we're trying to be colorblind. As
(26:37):
ab just pointed out, that's always a lie. But I
think as we're pushing for what that means, we need
to push for what we actually want unapologetically unabashedly. We
want it all, brand new, socks, draws, pomp poms, everything,
we want it blank blank too. That's right, that's right.
(27:00):
I don't think I've ever heard socks, draws, and pom
poms together, but I'm here for it. Okay again, y'all,
this is the best Coast podcast. It ain't even Happy
Hour right now, but it is somewhere. We ain't drinking
on the clock. We were born like this. Okay, we
come at it truth. We're that right there though.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
So I don't know if y'all have any parting words
for our folks. I'm gonna urge our people. We always
have a call to action at the end of our shows.
I'm gonna urge y'all to go back and read this decision.
I know that when you hear about a Supreme Court ruling,
there's something about that that may feel intimidating. I want
you to go back and read it, and I don't
(27:40):
want to start you off in anger. So I'm gonna
start you off with Sonya son on Myor's Descent. Read
Brett Kavanaugh's concurring decision. Know that the rest of them
hosts just said, nah, we don't like it, just go
forth and do what you do. Ice. So there's nothing
really there, but that concurring decision is important. And what
Sonya Soda Mayors said is it also important because if
they don't start to pivot in the way that Justice
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Soda Mayora and Justice Brown Jackson have suggested, we are
in more of a constitutional crisis and much closer to
authoritarianism than they would let on. So I would urge
you to do that. Ladies, I want to hear from you.
What do you want people to do at home? Go ahead, Aby.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Now. Honestly, my big push right now is vote on
November fourth in California Tribe District. Let's start there. But
aside from that, like, don't get discouraged by these things, right,
I think we did get this ruling and it does
seem bad. Un Let's remember that this is not a
rulin on the merits right, which means it's not like
(28:44):
the meat and potatoes and the actual case. It is
just some bull crap ultimately, and it can be fearful.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
But don't move.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
We shouldn't be moving with our hands down like, oh
we lost again, because I feel like the Trump administration
has lost more times in court than they want, right,
And the more pro octave and the more allowed, and
the more together we are, our truly do feel like
the more change we're able to make. It may be
small baby steps, but as long as we're taking those
atomic steps, we gonna get somewhere eventually, you know what
(29:13):
I'm saying. So we have to keep pushing back and
just not get discouraged by this.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I know it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I know it's overwhelming, and I know a lot of
us don't even understand what's going on for us, so
it's easy for us to check out. But do your
best to just stay educated, stay in the know, right,
follow stuff like this the Native Land podcast where we're
speaking in y'all language and we're talking to you, right, like,
keep yourself involved and just don't get buggled down by
(29:39):
the bullcrap. Because we won before we could do it again. Absolutely,
And I'll remind us that we are alchemists, so we
actually never lose. We're like Naja, we never lose, Okay,
we take the things. Even when it's something like this.
It's a reminder to us maybe some folks were think that,
(30:00):
oh we're safe. Maybe some folks are thinking Oh, it's
just gonna be damn. Now they remind us, oh, no,
this is how we actually think. This is how we're
actually moving. It wasn't just about the price of eggs.
It was about much more than that.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
So that we can be more intentional about how we're
doing things together, right, got to ask folks to follow
at instabagie to get more information because there's so much
that we need to keep up with, and we try
to do so in a way that connects us as
a diaspora and black folks that are African American, black
folks that are black immigrant because what this is is
(30:38):
a white supremacist fascism that is targeting black people specifically.
But they can't deal with our technology, which is us.
That's why we always win. We're talking about a people
that don't know the difference. They can't understand how bad
could be good, you know what I mean. They can't
understand how cool could be hot. They don't even have
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the fought process to keep up with our language, let
alone to keep up with our moves, right, And so
we've got to know that and know that victory is
certain as long as we're moving together. Well, hey, b
I'm surprised you can plug your She's I am legally hype.
I am legally hype on social. Make sure that y'all
(31:22):
follow her. She breaks it down, I'm telling you, and
not a jump fee. I love you so much. You
guys are the best, and I'm so grateful that Smith
is legal. It's not even a legal hour, a legal
half hour with some brilliant legal minds. We will be
back because y'all, you know it's gonna be somewhere nonsense,
So just get ready. We're gonna be the special legal panel,
break it all down, break it all down, all right,
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love exactly, all right, y'all, thank you so much. Shout
out to Nana, ed to Abu. We will see you also.
Welcome home, everybody, and with that we out We hope
you aren something today. Native Lampod is a production of
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