Tears, Trauma, Triggered

On episode 94 of Native Land Pod, hosts Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye, and Andrew Gillum discuss the police takeover of Washington D.C. and have a frank – and emotional – conversation about what to do when leaders attempt to govern without the consent of the people.

 

A listener offers one solution to the dire situation: self-sustaining municipal communities. Another listener has some pushback for Angela’s recent SoloPod (but she has receipts). 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with
Reason Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome, Welcome home. We all.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is episode counted, episode ninety four of Native Lamppod,
where we give you our breakdown and thoughts on all
things politics, a little bit of culture sprinkles, and that
we are your hosts Tiffany Cross, Angela Rode, and I'm
Andrew Gella on what's up everybody?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, Hello.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I understand that we got a pack show today, so
we will not be labor in any way, shape or
form other than to say that investments was kind of
cool and is that you get you all to reflect
on that a moment.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
But what are we talking about otherwise?

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Well, there's a lot going on in the country right now.
As you all know, we are right upon the twentieth
anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, and we have a very special
guest today to talk to us about the lessons learned
if any boy this country, especially as they're talking about
getting rid of FEMA. That man is none other than
the legendary General Russell Honore.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
So I'm thrilled to be talking with him. Today.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, I'll join you in that, Tiffany, what you get
on your mind.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
You know, I'm coming to you from the nation's capital.
And this week the President announced that he would be
taking over Union Station, which is home to Amtrak, a
food court, and several retail outlets there. So I want
to dig into what's happening here on the ground.

Speaker 7 (01:30):
Yeah, so wild.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
And we've of course been observing all the videos that
citizen reporters have been taken of their experiences under Ystopian.
I want to say, gangst the led takeover of an
American city, and I just want to add to the
conversation that we should warn the next city that is
on his radar, the city of Chicago, and we'll take

(01:52):
a look at what the mayor and his team there
are doing in preparation for and what words of advice
he has for anyone who is really truly interested in
bringing down the crime rate, not only in his city
but across the nation. So we got a full deck
on hand, y'all, Did I miss anything or we go?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
We're good with those dobies.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
If we don't get to it, at least in the
mini pod, we should talk about Donald Trump's obsession, at
least it appears to be an obsession with black women
and attacking them. Lisa Cook is one of them, the
only black women on the board of the Federal Reserve,
and he is going after her.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
We should talk about that and why and if he
has any recourse at.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
All, absolutely, absolutely, So let's get into it.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
What's up, Native lampod Kay.

Speaker 8 (02:37):
I'm calling him from the Great State of Georgia, and
my question is about how to go about establishing a
municipal town. I'd like to see a city where the
police force is private and I feel like that's really
the only way to ensure our protection is black people.

(02:59):
I'd like to have to be a part of a
community that is self sufficient, self reliant, has its own
food source, community healers, and to you know, be able
to build in an era of reconstruction, totally independent of

(03:20):
the government and the systems that.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Are really destructive. So I'd love to get your thoughts.

Speaker 8 (03:27):
On how to establish your town and uh and if
and if I'm successful, Andrew Gillen, will you will you
be the mayor?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Not a chance.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I was about to volunteer Tiffany and you and Tiffany
will be co mayors of this said resilient town.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
What you said, Tiffany, I just I love that question.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
And literally as she was speaking, she took the words
out of my mouth because I was like, Andrew could
be the mayor.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
But also I had that same question question.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
Unfortunately I don't have an answer for her, but I
definitely have that question, and I love that innovative way
of thinking.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I do too. I thought it was powerful Angela. Maybe
between the two of us, who can.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Figure it out.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
But I will say most cities UH in a state
are chartered by their counties. The county government has jurisdiction
of all subjects you know, UH municipality known as cities
beneath it, and some places you have a county that
is a county in a city all in itself. So

(04:31):
there are no other subject of cities in my state
of Florida. I think we may only have three, two
or three and don't don't quote me, but but but
a very dominious number of cities are both the city
and the county itself. In fact, Jacksonville, Duval County is
one of those, which making it the largest UH city

(04:53):
in the United States of America land mass wise, I'm
guessing that Georgia works very similarly, and I'll do some
quick aologized I didn't prep up on your your question
before to our listener, but do some quick research to
verify this. But I'm almost certain that UH put citizens
in a jurisdictional area can come together to petition the

(05:13):
county that they live in to charter them as a city.
That city, then, once UH chartered by the by the
county government, can operate as any city would, city services,
municipal services. In some places, they have conditions by which
you would have to contract with the county for certain services,
but you basically get to operate like an autonomous city.

Speaker 8 (05:37):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
I think that's what just happened. Yeah, I think that's
what just happened with East Baton Rouge last year. I
believe so, yes, But I like the question too. I
think the thing that struck me, you know, especially as
we get ready for this conversation about d C y'all, is,
you know, people, especially those who look like us, who
have felt this in their bodies in some ways ancestrally,

(06:00):
are just looking for relief. And you can almost hear
that plea for relief, something that feels like safety, something
that feels that it like it won't be threatened in
her and her question, So my heart goes out to you,
my friend. Yeah, and definitely and all in on whatever
solutions we can come up with collectively. And if I
was going to be in a buncket somewhere, it would
be with these two.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
So I know we can help her figure it out.

Speaker 6 (06:24):
And I you know, look, this is happening. I don't
know if you guys remember, but a few weeks ago,
this far right community they were building this white's only
community in this remote part of the Ozarks in northeastern Arkansas,
with the possibility of even expanding into Missouri. And so
I think they thought it was going to be controversial

(06:45):
that it was this white's only community, and all the
black people were like, bye, say you guys, good luck,
Like we actually support this. Yes, go build your white's
only community and stay the fuk out of our communities
like it brings us really and safety. If you are
you know, and as no nationalist group, then by all

(07:08):
means stay amongst yourselves. My concern, though, I will tell
you about not her question, but about this solution, is
we have tried that we have done that. Of course,
people always go to Tulsa. But Tulsa was not the anomaly,
it was the norm. Every time we created safety. Those
people in Tulsa weren't bothering anybody, and most of our

(07:28):
communities we weren't bothering anybody, and white people came along
and violently destroyed it. And the example of Tulsa, this
will transition us to DC. You had the example of
the military turning on its own people. It was so
the Department of Justice even found it was so well
coordinated that it was done with government officials, with Oklahoma's

(07:52):
National Guard. They were a part of murdering thousands of residents, women, children.
So it's I just wonder, is there relief for us here?
Even if we constructed a city, how long before white
folks came and destroyed it? Which I will say is

(08:13):
why lately I have been feeling, you know, just because
of the life I've lived. I think I have lived
a pretty fearless life so far.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
So far, I got a lot of life left. Girls.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
But this is my point, I will leap without looking,
you know, because when you don't have a lot of stability,
and like that's just the norm, you know, like I'll
move to DC. I don't know anybody in DC. I've
never been there, but sure I'll move. You know, I'll
start this job. I don't know if I could do it,
but sure I'll do it. And for the first time
in my life, I feel fear. I really do. I

(08:48):
feel fear. And when we were in Atlanta, invest fat
shout out to Rashad and Troy who hosts this event
with ten, I would say about ten thousand people were
probably there. Yeah, twenty thousand, so ten exactly, say tens
of thousands of people. How can is some of the people,
even the hair and makeup team, but also the people there.

(09:10):
As amazing as it was to see this curiosity around
financial literacy inside while we were on that stage, a
part of me felt like, is this a little tone
deuff that we're sitting here talking about building wealth while
the country around us is falling. So we were able
to merge those conversations a bit in Reverend Jamal Harrison
Brian gave I thought some really insightful words around trying

(09:33):
to merge those two thoughts, those two agendas, because the
federal takeover of DC is absolutely frightening, and I believe
we may have sound that Angela found of what it's
like for the residents here.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
So for those of you who are listening and not watching,
even those of you who are watching, that was outside
of Gallery Place, Gallery Place metro station in d C.
There's a woman being arrested by transit police but also

(10:27):
the United States Park Police, and this is far outside
of their jurisdiction, far outside of what they're trained to do.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
She would stop for fair evasion.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
I don't know if you want to go back and
count the number of officers who were involved in that altercation,
but this was about fair invasion, she said, evasion, and
she said that on her phone she had proof that
she paid the fare. They end up putting her into
a police car. They search her bag, they take her
phone out of her back pocket, and it's also they

(10:55):
could find an ID. They start taking pictures of her.
I d there's all of these challenges constitutionally with this stop,
with this arrest. And I think what also is important
is there are young people who are watching what's happening
in DC and they actually are protesting as well.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Let's take a look at this clip.

Speaker 9 (11:14):
We are here today because young people deserve to be celebrated.
Young people deserve to be loved, they deserve to be
cared for, and they deserve to be recognized as the
leaders that they are, not the leaders of the future,
but the leaders of today. I stand before you because
DC is on us to support our young people today, tomorrow,

(11:41):
and in every moment ongoing.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
It's on us to show up for young people, talk.

Speaker 9 (11:47):
With them, encourage them, make sure they have the information
they need to make the decisions that are best for
their well being. Support our teachers, social workers, coaches, staff,
all the workers who support young people day in and
deep day out, and most of all, it is our
obligation to be in solidarity with these young people, especially

(12:10):
while they are being attacked.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Listen to our young people.

Speaker 9 (12:15):
Care how everything that is happening right now is affecting them.
Care their solutions, They're brilliance, their power.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
I think that what's so important about this, y'all, is
that young people are being impacted and traumatized by what
they're seeing every single day. There's another young woman who
went to arraignment court. You can imagine that given the
number of frivolous arrests, I would argue frivolous the arrangment
court is backed up. So let's take a look at
what this citizen says. She saw an arrangement court.

Speaker 10 (12:46):
They are locking people up for any and everything. Four
people were arrested yesterday for being in a public party.
They arrested a barred attorney. We just saw him an
arrangement court like ten minutes ago. And this is what
the judge said today verb beatim. I am forbidden from
ruling on the Fourth Amendment violations. And this is very

(13:07):
clearly a Fourth Amendment violation because I found probable calls.
I have to hold you. No Trump trying to hold
DC for ransom.

Speaker 5 (13:17):
The attorney she referenced in that clip is Paul Brian.
He's a corporate attorney, a black man who's worked in
some firms in DC and also is a United States
veteran as.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
An officer of the DC Bar.

Speaker 11 (13:31):
That these officers are violating my civil rights.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Under federal law, and I will be.

Speaker 11 (13:36):
Pressing charges when everyone who has physically touched me tonight,
who has applied pressure to me in ways.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
That I will not forget anytime soon.

Speaker 11 (13:45):
This is tragic in a country where black men are
being killed by people that look just like this. I
was sneered at, I was ignored, and I was not
told why I was being detained.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
What are the names of the two officers holding you
right now?

Speaker 11 (13:57):
Officer at Costello, at Castello, he has his name blocked off.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
I do not know what it is and I don't
want to touch him for fear of my life. This
is an FBI agent who I do not know.

Speaker 7 (14:08):
Aren't they only.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Allowed to wolkisten minutes?

Speaker 11 (14:10):
None for thou they are trying to manufacture evidence. I
do not have a magazine in my weabdon because my
magazine is in the.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Trumpet my vehicle, which they would have.

Speaker 11 (14:19):
Known if they would have asked me.

Speaker 7 (14:20):
They did not ask me.

Speaker 11 (14:22):
My magazine is in the trumpet. To the American people watching,
this is what calling out a failed system looks like. LOOKID,
I was walking peacefully down this block and I was
accosted by twenty no lesser than twenty MPD, FBI, ATF

(14:43):
agents and officers.

Speaker 7 (14:51):
I am not crazy.

Speaker 11 (14:52):
I am totally saying I have complied with all of
these officers requests, and thirty minutes after.

Speaker 7 (14:57):
Being detained, I remained detained and I'm not you were
able to go.

Speaker 11 (15:01):
I do not know what charges. I do not know
why being detained. I was given no information. No officers
will offering me any type of pre no type of respite.
Nothing similarly to just stand here and be handcuffed while
we wait to find magazines that do not exist, or we.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
Will find one for you.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
I assume that is the case.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
So I wanted to just bring that to you all.
And you know, again, as Tip said, she's living there,
she's having to bear witness to this. There are organizations
that I just want to acknowledge Free d C. Harriet
Stream who are doing the work of organizing our young people,
providing safe spaces for them to get around, same thing

(15:51):
with our elders. This is a really scary time, and
I think the worst thing is we have always been taught,
especially as an attorney, I've always been taught that when
an officer violates the law, you will always be able
to lean up on the safety of justice in a
courtroom and to hear what that judge told them. An
arraiment car court is just frankly scary. So I'm wondering
what recourse we have other than the suggestion that was

(16:14):
brought to us by our dear friend and family member
who sent in the question earlier today.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
It's like they so, first of all, young people, middle
aged people, all people alike. It is terrorizing to watch that. Yeah,
let alone be the subject of it. It's terrorizing to
all of our psyches, everybody who's in listening, ear who
visually watch this, And God knows, my heart goes out

(16:41):
to the people who are experiencing it. Yeah, day in
and day out. These guys are domestic terrorists. And what
makes them terrorists, and in my opinion, what makes them
traitors to the country and to the Constitution is the
fact that we still have habeasts right in this country.

(17:01):
If you detain me as an American, you have to
tell me why we don't have the right in America
to just snatch American citizens up with no explanation as
to why.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And think we can get away with it.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And I guess, tiff Angelo, I've just decided this very moment,
it is not enough to just return to a status quo.
Anybody running for an office and talking about getting back
to a sense of normalcy, screw you in the train
you rode in on, the donkey you rode in on,
because you are an ass The status quo is not sufficient.

(17:37):
We are off the rails here. We're off the rails.
And what I will expect from whomever wants my vote
for leadership is full accounting of what these last four
years are. These four years under Trump will have borne us.
So if you are an attorney and.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
You have flouted the legal system and just.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Dismiss the instructions of a judge wherever you are barred,
the bar associations need to be working diligent, need to
remove your license forever so that you can never again
be an officer of the court.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
You cannot be trusted.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
If you are a government lawyer or a government official.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
You are skirting the law. You are skirting the constitution.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
You are acting in submission to an individual, to a man,
and not to the rule of law.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
You should be held accountable.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
While the court at the highest level may have said
you cannot prosecute a sitting president or a president of
the United States, that does not apply to folks who
work for.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
That president of the United States.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
And I know that some people will say, well, well,
how do we get into a tiff for tech?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
We can't have a different No, no, no, no, no, We're
beyond that.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
If we allow the kinds of transgressions that we're seeing
right now to go unpunished, to go unaccounted for, We're
inviting the ship to happen again. And I've already had enough,
and i haven't been the subject in one of those videos.
We've been bearing witness from wherever we are around the
country and trying to keep ourselves safe and protected.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
But this is gone. This is out of control.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
And to your point, Angela, there are judges in the
district who are saying you are violating rights.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
This is the most blatant and.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Obvious violation of constitutional rights that I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
These are the words of judges.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
You have grand juries who are refusing the prosecutors a
requests to bring indictments against many of these individuals. They're
saying no, no, So on one hand, I'm glad that
there are some forms of resistance which are not really
resistance at all. That's simply obeyance. It's a basis to
the constitution and to the laws. But we got applaud

(19:53):
that where is happening when the government is running roughshod
over the rest of the country and they have to
be held to account.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
If you're running you better say it. And moreover, when
you win, you better do it.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
They all have to be held to account or we're
inviting this same kind of uh glimpse into totalitarianism for
the future.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
I saw, I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, go ahead, No, no, I.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Was, I was actually gonna bring you in.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
I was seeing your tears and when you know either
of you cry like it takes everything in me not
to cry too, and just witnessing your heartbreak and having
to get up, I just wanted to know what came
up for you to.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
Andrew made me laugh a little bit when he said
scream and the donkey wrote in because you aren't asked.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I'm feeling it, but frightening the I don't include my ugly.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
Cry because this is a horrible but it is so
frightening what's happening here. And to see that, man, it
just feels like it's not a matter of if, but
when that is going to come for all of us.
Walking to the store yesterday I got back from New York.

(21:24):
Walking through this store yesterday, I saw two little girls,
two little Latino girls, and they were walking and they
were surrounded by agents.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
They weren't doing anything.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
They were just walking through the store and four grown
men were walking behind them. They looked like they were
thirteen fourteen. It's a Latino neighborhood and it was flooded.
Even playing clothes, they stand out, you know, even they're
not in uniform, they're.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
In playing clothes.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
And I have never personally felt before. So I think
about our ancestors, you know, not even our ancestors, people
who are still alive, what they went.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Through in the sixties.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
It feels like we're going through that now. And there's
a level of frustration for me. I did see an
end this week and this attorney, Arthur Idalla, was speaking
about but this makes things safer, and I was trying
to explain to him this, this makes who's safer? Who

(22:33):
are these people here to protect and who are they
there to protect the protected class from? People feel safer
because they're not targeting white men. And so it's just
frustrating because I don't know what to say or do
to people.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Who are waiting for this imaginary line.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
I was appalled at how many people I talked to
in Atlanta, just random conversation, who were just like, oh,
do that in Atlanta. It's too many black folks like
we ready for the moment, y'all, Like, ain't too many
people who square up against the United States government and
live to tell about it.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
When I get off the.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Train at Union Station to see tanks outside, and so
now there's an official takeover, and it just feels like,
I'm not gonna lie to you, guys. I had hope.
I'm like, this is just a moment. He shouldn't afflex
his power and this all go away. I don't know
that I feel that way anymore. This feels like this
is what's coming. And the stress and anxiety of looking

(23:33):
out your window everywhere there's no relief. It is like
caught in my throat, like I can't relax, I can't breathe,
just walking here, walking to my office. It's just I
don't know, I don't know how to describe it, but
I'm just thinking, this is what our elders went through,
that somebody could come terrorize your existence.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
At any given moment.

Speaker 6 (23:57):
And it feels like and if you're in Baltimore or
in Chicago, Oakland, anywhere, and you think that's what's happening
over there, I'm telling you it is coming.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Soon to a city near you.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
So I have such anger towards these people, towards the
people who are ignorant to it, Towards the people who
deny what's happening, Towards the media outlets who won't show
videos like that that should be flooding the airwaves to
show how it's violating our civil rights. Shame on anybody
who has a platform and is an insisting on showing

(24:29):
those types of things. It's just frustrated. So I feel frustrated.
I don't have my thoughts altogether. I just feel frustrated
and ashamed for feeling frightened.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
I hope you don't feel shamed, Tiff, and I want
you to always feel safe, you know, in your true feelings.
But like the rawst emotion that we have, the ability
to say that you're afraid is actually, in and of
itself courageous. It invites in the ability to be vulnerable.
And this is absolutely frightening. Like, we have a meeting

(25:04):
next week for State of the People and it's supposed
to be in DC, and I was struggling to figure
out where could we go where there's no windows for
folks to see in there are the things that we're
having to calculate right now, are crazy. It's not even
just simply a civil rights violation. It's not even just
simply a human rights violation. It's not just simply a

(25:25):
constitutional violation.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
It is a.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Threat to the very form of safety that we rest
up against when we go home and lay our heads
on our pillows at night.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
It is an occupation, is what it is. And so
we have to call.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
A thing a thing, and we have to figure out
what recourse we have and pray that somewhere, somehow, the
highest court in the land will somehow find its integrity,
will somehow find a backbone, because I don't know what
other systems we have if we.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Can't rely upon that, y'all.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
You know, the only other recourse as war as the
I think so.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
It is that, or it is it is us really
getting so baked tired, we're like, and don't mistake my tears.
And I imagine that some of this is for Tiffany
as well. I'm angry. I'm just I'm really angry. I'm
very angry at every level. I understand Jimmy Baldwin right

(26:26):
to be black in America, you know, wake up and
what it is to live in a constant state of frustration.
But I'm pissed off that white people aren't more mad.
I'm mad that we're that that too many of us
are really sinking into the comforts of our creative devices
at home and not really awake to the fact that

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we don't have to wait for the president to declare
a suspension of habeas corpus to know that he has
suspended hapeas corpus, our right to be told while we
are detained, and as detaining people at random in their
own and that there is conspiracy in our government to
go after black elected officials.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
And people in power. And I know we're going to
get to this subject, but.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
A conspiracy because just because the government has your information
does not mean any department can access it. And it
certainly doesn't mean any department of the government can access
it and then use it against you.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
That is not legal in the United States. You still
need a judge, you still need to be given permission
to enter into our private records. And answer that.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
That's the question I have as we move into the
topic around you know, some of this mortgage stuff that
we keep seeing pop up around black people in power
who trump has determined our threat to him, the usage
of government information to be weaponized against them in an
effort to undermine us.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Take our power away, take our position away.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
And relegate us not to second size class citizens, but
to irrelevance is where they are.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
We are irrelevant is where.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
They want us of no consequence to them, and they
think they can run rough shot over every rule, every law,
every element of the Constitution. And I've never held so
tightly to a document that didn't include me at its origins, right,
but I'm holding tight to it now because it is ours.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
We have shaped it and to being closer to the
more perfect and.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
The cities people run over it like they like it
never existed and run over us like it never existed
is crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
So I'd love if.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
You wouldn't mind just walking us into to what I
believe again may be a conspiracy within the.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Government to target these individuals.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Okay, andra'mna answer that question, but first we got to
take a break.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
So, as TIV mentioned, there are a number of mayors
cities that are being targeted. I would suspect because they
have black mayors, and one of them was on a
show recently. We're going to call out the nonsense on
all the platforms, and.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
So this one I want to go to.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
This one I want to go to because it well,
I'll let y'all be the judge.

Speaker 12 (29:12):
Would you also like to get federal funding to help
put five thousand more cops on the street in Chicago?

Speaker 7 (29:20):
Would that help drive down crime?

Speaker 13 (29:22):
Well, Look, policing by itself is not the full strategy.

Speaker 12 (29:25):
I understand here if you've talked about the other things
you want, and I said, those are good and important programs,
But I'm asking also, would five thousand more police officers
on the street in Chicago be helpful to go along
with all of those social programs and a lot of
cities are engaging in and having success with.

Speaker 13 (29:44):
Look, here's the best way I can put it, Joe,
is that in the nineties when I was in high school,
we had three thousand more police officers and we had
nine hundred people being murdered every single year in Chicago.
It's just not policing alone. Of course, we want more.

Speaker 12 (29:57):
Detective So of course I know it's not it's not
policing alone.

Speaker 7 (30:02):
You've told me everything else you want.

Speaker 12 (30:04):
I'm curious, and this is this does come down to
an ideological.

Speaker 7 (30:08):
Difference between between people.

Speaker 12 (30:11):
Do you believe that the streets of Chicago would be
safer if there were more uniformed police officers on the
streets of Chicago.

Speaker 13 (30:20):
I believe the city of Chicago and cities across America
would be safer if we actually had, you know, affordable housing.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
Look, Okay, not the question I asked my question.

Speaker 14 (30:29):
But.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
So I want to just I want to tap in
here for a moment. I know we are really triggering
all of our on all sides today.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
This show should just be called triggered.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Triggered.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
I got a word that rhymes with it, but I'm
gonna leave it alone right there.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
So I my god.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
So I wanted to do that for two reasons.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
One, what is not helpful in this moment is to
be trying to back somebody's ass up against the wall
on what you think is going to keep us. There
are cops literally swarming DC right now, and people are
not safe and we are not saved. As Derek Beal
would say, like, this is one of those moments where
we have to be honest about what is More law

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enforcement on the streets does not make safety for black people.
It just doesn't there is data to support it. We
don't have time to get into it. But that is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I'm also frustrating anybody or anybody.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
But maybe somebody just say't.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Us the numbers.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
You hit the numbers, Angela, You're right, It doesn't make
it safer for anybody.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I think.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
I think ultimately, what we have here, though, is a
clear example, textbook example of gaslighting from that host of
that show with this black mayor, he's talking over him.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
I have never seen.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
Him do that to a white elected official ever ever.
And the fact that he would challenge him on these
terms when we know what's happening in DC right now,
when we know why Donald Trump is targeting them, it
is absolutely ridiculous. It is absolutely disrespectful, disrespectful, and there
should be some statement from the network that apologizes to

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Brandon Johnson for what happened on the air.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
It is absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
I also just want to say this, I want for
the mayors, especially because in a lot of ways you
all are the front line, and a lot of ways
y'all are our last hope. Maybe with the governors and
attorney generals two those who are willing, but I want
you to lean into what it means to trust in

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a system that is supposed to work.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
I want you to challenge hosts.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
I want you to use your press conferences to absolutely
talk about how the system is supposed to work, what
the protections are supposed to be. And I'm saying supposed
to because we know that they never were designed this
way and we're seeing just how fragile they were.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
So that's my only thing, y'all.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
But I wanted to play that because it just infuriated
me to watch that.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
I wish that Joe could have found the balls to
address Donald Trump that way when he allowed him to
phone into his show and helped him secure the nomination
in twenty sixteen. I wish he could have found his
nuts when he and his wife were at mar A Lago,
right bending the knee, so the temerity. But Joe does

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that a lot. He's done that to me before. He
cannot handle addressing an intellectual superior, and it is it
is white man rule, you know. I think that's the
part that's so frustrating to me. He and his former
employee now wife earn at least I think sixteen million

(33:50):
a year from that network. When I worked there, I
would lap them in my ratings. I didn't make a
fraction of that. When Joy worked there, she more than
laped them. She lapped them a few times in her ratings.
I can say Joy did not make sixteen million a year.
So it's just insulting that they're celebrated. People think millions
of folks watch that show. Sometimes they get five hundred

(34:13):
thousand people. Maybe, so if you're watching to hate, watch
your contributing to their ratings. Y'all got mad for a
minute when it came out that they went to mar
A Lago, and slowly but surely people started creeping back
in watching it. Turn it off, like read something, don't
watch them. You even see Mika tapping him at a
certain point, trying to encourage him to let the mayor speak.

(34:38):
I just look, I'm not mad at a tough interview
and trying to force politicians to answer questions. They make
a dance of it a lot, but I have not
seen Joe in particular address any white politician that way.
And can I just say really quickly, when I was

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on Seeing in this week, because I think it shows
a pattern. When I was on CNN this week, I
was on with two white men and Jamie Harrison. So
Jamie Harrison is the former chair of the Democratic National
Party National Committee, And so every time I forget the

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other guy's name, but every time it came time to
say something, these two would attack me. They would attack
what I said, they would attack my perspective, and they
would say, oh, if a Democrat that had done this,
Tiffany would have fill in the blank or anything.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Trump.

Speaker 6 (35:35):
Thus Tiffany doesn't like. I just found it striking that
I'm one not a Democrat. Two, I'm sitting here with
the chair, the former chair of the party, who happens
to be around six feet tall, a black man, and
presents like a six foot tall black man. But they

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felt more comfortable attacking me at every time. And I'm fine,
you want to bumble with the bee, let's tangle, like
I'm good going back and forth on an intellectual basis
with anybody. But it just shows that same mentality that
Joe had. I don't even think he would have spoken
to him on set that way.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
I feel ready to secede from the nation. I just
don't know a path for safety here. I don't know
a path for success here. And I'm telling you, I
feel I don't know how to calm down, like it's
just it's in my throat. And sometimes I'm in therapy.
My therapy is like, where do you feel it right now?
I feel it in my chest, I feel it in
my throat. Everything feels so tight because literally, right outside

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there there's tyranny, there's authoritarianism, and I just I don't,
I don't know. When you have people like Joe, who's
you know, a flagship show for a dumb ass network
that has rebranded itself to be Fox News Lights, I'm
just I'm at a loss.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I don't know, y'all.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Let's share the frustration obviously over the day respection on
the mayor, but my real deeper, if I were to
pull back the layer's frustration, is that Joe Scarborough used
to be a policymaker.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
He used to be in Congress from the great state
of Florida. Right, he knows the.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Layers he would resist as an elected official, any host,
his inclination to oversimplify something as complicated as crime fighting.
So when I take into consideration that the man knows
better but yet decided to act contemperately with a sitting
mayor of one of America's largest.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Cities on a serious question. The mayor actually gave.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Him a very It takes partly running a city to
know this.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
But when he said, I will take more detectives, see,
it wasn't Joe's question.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
He didn't answer Joe's questions about five thousand more police officers, right,
which is to put him in a box, by the way,
that was simply formed to put him in the nineteen
nineties soft on crime versus tough on crime box.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
That's what that was. We see you, bruh.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
The mayor saw it in real time sitting there. But
what the mayor said is I would like more detectives.
Why does he want more detectives Because in most cities,
most crimes that are reported.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Are not closed out.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
They sit as having been reported, investigated, but not necessarily
drawn to a successful conclusion, meaning you found who the
perpetrators were.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
They were prosecuted, so on and so forth.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
The close out rate, as is known in the municipalities,
sits probably in most places at less than twenty percent means,
which means eighty percent of these crimes that are that
are committed and reported go without ever being successfully resolved.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Well, who would normally be responsible for resolving crimes that are.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Reported detectives, not the line officers necessarily, but detectives who.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Go layers beneath to figure out a thing.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
That way, when you saw that crime, you catch the
people who are the perpetrators and then you get them
off the street, or you teach the streets the lesson
that if you can commit a crime, you will be
found and you will be held to the standard of
the law. But if eighty percent of the crimes that
are committed are going unresolved, the lesson you're teaching people

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is you can commit it and get away with it.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Eight times out of ten, you're going to be able
to walk free. Right.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
So the mayor had the right answer, which is I'll
take some more detectives. But he didn't want to fall
into the box of tough on crime, soft on crime,
five thousand more officers, because he knows the brutality that
comes with that. He knows what that means to his citizens.
And I applaud him for being responsible. And I really
hate that MSNBC or SEE what whatever they're called today
would allow such disrespect on what is supposed to be

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a thoughtful show on their platform, that the mayor could
not even express what would have been a thoughtful answer,
but rather being chased around the damn table by Joe
Scarborough to give him a punchline slash a talking point,
slash tough on crime, not tough on crime, a label
that he wanted to be able to apply to the mayor,

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and the mayor resisted.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Well, I appreciate just taking that moment.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
I think on the point of attack, and Andrew, you
brought this up already. We are continuing this trigger show
with what is happening with Federal Reserve Reserve Board member
Lisa Cook. And it's over one hundred plus year history.
She's the only black woman to serve on the Federal
Reserve Board. President under ordinary circumstances where the law actually applies,

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has no authority whatsoever to fire a member of the
Federal Reserve Board. And so I thought, for a moment
we could we could just talk about this. So, Andrew
you raised it earlier. You want to raise you want
me to talk about the kron.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
Do you guys mind really quickly because it's not common knowledge. Yeah, yes,
So I think it's important to say first, the Federal
The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve is its
official name, but it's commonly commonly known as the Federal Reserve,
and this is the main governing body that is charged

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with overseeing the Federal Reserve banks, which helps implement monetary policy.
This is relevant right now because Donald Trump has been
at war essentially with Jerome Powell, who is the Chair
of the Federal Reserve, because he wants him to adjust
interest rates. Now I'm not an economist, so I'm not
going to get into the specifics of that. It might

(41:35):
be great to have an economist on to do that,
but I will tell you that there are economists who say, well, yes,
you could adjust interest rates and then maybe people's mortgages
would go down, but the price the cost of homes
would go up. So it's not a simple, easy solution.
Lisa Cook was the first black woman to serve in

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this position, and no one has ever been fired in
the one hundred and eleven year history of this body.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
So I just want to start that in context.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
People, No, that's helpful, And to continue your example, who
doesn't want low interest right?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Low interest rates on things?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
The problem is is obviously the Fed Bank has to
balance low interest rates without inspiring inflation. So if you
get a lot of money obviously circulating through the system,
the price of goods and services has to go up.
You can't have but so much money fluctuating, or the
value of the dollar declines, not just here but around
the world. So in order for our money to have value,

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which is what the value of money is, we need
to keep it strong and so FED policy was designed
after the First and the Second Bank of the United States,
to be separate from the political whims, flows and ebbs
of a politician who is serving at a particular point
in time. Any elected official will want to be able

(42:57):
to say I lowered your interest rates when I was president,
and then they won't be around to take responsibility for
the inflation that comes afterwards that ends up costing all
of us a hell of a lot more money and
devaluing the dollars that we work hard to earn. So,
in this case, the president or a whistleblo I don't
know how they want to describe this claim, but apparently

(43:18):
some woman in the government decided to write a letter
saying or accusing the governor of.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Mortgage fraud by contending that.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
She has signed her permanent residency to not just one,
but two homes. Now you all may have heard this
by now, but Ken Paxson down in Texas, the governor
was also the attorney general, sorry, the attorney general running
for governor. The Attorney general of Texas, who's one of
the favorite candidates for governor of Texas, has also been

(43:52):
accused of mortgage fraud by I believe this was a
newspaper maybe for owning three residents. Is that he tarman
to were his main residences. Now, when it comes to
the governor of the Fed Reserve, the Attorney General of
New York, and I believe even Adam Shift possibly I
think was the third person that Trump has done this too.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
They have accused them all of mortgage.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Fraud again doing the same thing allegedly that Paxson has done,
and assigned all three in those instances, those three instances
that they make this claim to the US Attorney General, who,
as you know, is better known as Trump's lapdog from Florida,
who finds herself more often than not being the personal

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attorneys to the President rather than the attorney for the
people of the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
He's made these referrals to.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Them, and you can rest assured that Pam Bondi, within
her power and scope, is going to do everything that
she can to probably buttress that referral with possible prosecution
of those individuals as a way of moving them out
of Trump's way. And so where we are right now
is I'm just curious to know if this is mortgage
information which is not publicly available by and large, meaning

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you take a little website of the government necessarily find
out many of the details around this, and those details
are then only available through the federal government and a
database that they keep. How is it that the whistleblower
quote or the staff person who is making this claim
is able to do so without access to very sensitive

(45:31):
government information.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Well, and I think that that's just it right.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
So this referral was made by the Federal Housing Finance
Agency Director William Poulty.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
I believe is that you say it. I know you
all have.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Seen paulty homes l before in that family. No surprises
there the term administration, but they have the mortgage documents.
This is the same thing that happened in the case
with Marilynd Moseby. It is the same thing or a
similar thing that has happened in the case with Tiss James.
And so what I think is important for us to
also understand is as a part of the Federal Housing

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Finance Agency, staffers have access to this information, so that
I think we can close the loop there, except.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
That it is still private even if they have access.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Yes, but if you're trying to find a reason to
prosecute someone criminally and you look into their mortgage history,
even if you are a solution in search of a problem,
that is where you would go, and that is how
they got access to it. The referral literally came from FHFA.
I do think it is important to note, especially given

(46:36):
that this is clearly our trigger show is that hello
Andrew's phone, is that Lisa Cook is not just rolling
over and accepting that she would be removed TIF. I
know this has had to infuriate you this week. That's
my other buzzword today, trigger and infuriate that they keep
people on air are talking about this like he can

(46:58):
fire her Trump Lisa Cook, Trump removes Lisa Cook. He
cannot do that now, they say, for cause they have
found a very tricky cause where it is arguable that
the mortgage lenders that she has knows that she needed
to split time. There are a number of people who
split time in two residences because they work in two places.

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The homes were in Michigan, where she's a professor, and
in Georgia, where she.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Resides and also bears no responsibility or her job as
a governor at the Fed Reserve.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
No, but the point is if she did something criminal,
that is arguably for cause. But if you live in
two places, I believe I would make this argument in
good faith that you can have two principal residences. You know,
if you spend more than half of your time in
either location.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
It's people that work and trade.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Y'all know that basically our principal residence should be on
the god dying plane right right? Like I mean, that
is this is so crazy that this is not called
for what it is. This is a racist tactic by
someone who is trafficked in racism and he continues to
target black people.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
We should call it what it is.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
I appreciate the fact that Lisa Cook has said she
is challenging this through her attorney. She plans to sue
on whether or not he could actually remove her because
there is no cause under the law, and I think
that is the kind of conversation we need to be having.
Not Trump is firing her. Not Trump is removing her.
It's irresponsible.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Okay, failure, gross failure.

Speaker 6 (48:30):
The only thing I would say to that is, yes,
he definitely targets black people.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
For sure.

Speaker 6 (48:35):
Lisa Cook joins the three hundred thousand plus black women
who have left or not. Yes, but she would join
the three hundred thousand plus black women who have left
the work for us. Andrew, you did a great job
of pointing this out on this past week when we
were in Atlanta invest Fest. Part of targeting the federal
government was exiting black women out of employment. He targeted

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agencies were the highest number of black people were employed.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
So this is not something new.

Speaker 6 (49:04):
I would only add to that that he is indiscriminate
as he's also targeting his political enemies. He has called
for an investigation into former New Jersey Governor Chris Christy,
who chaired his inaugural committee in twenty sixteen, and they
had right, they had a romance that only ended on

(49:26):
January sixth. As if Donald Trump wasn't terrible on the
fifth fourth and decades prior to that, he's also going
after John Bolton, and we have seen I'm sorry, yeah,
I just mean what's happening And I don't know if
something new happened with.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
No, No, you were right. I was just saying, you're right, people,
all the people.

Speaker 6 (49:52):
I'm just talking about what's happened in recent recent the
recent past couple of weeks with John Bolton. And the
reason for Bolton is because he penned a book in
twenty twenty that Trump was trying to stop. They had
the unusual task of having him resentmit and resentment and
resentment the manuscript for his book. So this is like

(50:13):
a play right out of the Dictator Handbook. And the
fact that we're not taking it seriously, the fact that
we're still trying to both side these things, that we're
presenting information like it's a done deal. And Angelus gave
a great example like Trump fires Lisa Cook. I mean,
this is just journalism fails, and unfortunately people are still

(50:36):
looking to cable news for a lot of the information
they get and it's such an utter failure. It's such
a gross irresponsible move they're making. And even that, you know,
like I think, I'm just I've run out of tears,
but even that looking at one an industry that I

(50:57):
had pursued and worked in since I was fifteen years old, too,
looking at black women and what we're going through collectively,
like we are so and this is not leaving out
black men. I just mean black women in this moment
are so goddamn heartbroken, you know, Like I don't even
know how to function.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Some days I do.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
I put one foot in front of the next, because
that's all we know how to do. But it's like
everywhere you look there is no safety, there is no reprieve,
and it is giving me.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
A righteous anger.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Yeah, I just I have to make adjustments, you know,
like I have to make adjustments in life around you know,
who I'm around.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Who I'm involved with.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
I was sitting on a train next to this older
white man who was so pressed to make conversation with me.
Was a Republican, and it was just trying to talk
to me, and I just wanted to say, shut up
talking to me.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Okay, racism with a smile.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
It's still some racism, Like don't be looking to me
to make you feel better about your dumb asses, like
you're so pressed to make me. You know, we might
have more in common than you think. And I supposed
to say on this show, but I wanted to say, dude,
you don't talk to me. I'm losing my sense of
kindness and softness. And I think that's what we went through.

(52:10):
My grandmother like, she was a tough woman, and I
think that's what she went through going through different things
in the South, where you.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Just you don't have an energy for that bullshit anymore now.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
And we have to co create their lives. So he'd be.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Lying to himself if we can have differences over politics
but still be at risk of the same things and
have the same cares and the same worries and the
same ambitions and hopes. No, sir, I can't conspire in that.
It's not true fundamentally, basically, open your eyes see it.
Maybe believe me when I tell you what my experience is.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
It's just it's it's insane. I just, y'all, this is poor.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Part of what I mean by the accountability has to
be in place. And I hope that left leaning thick
tanks and y'all's action centers are really focused on who
the perpetrators of these crimes are so that they can
be held to account.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I don't give a damn about show apology book. In
the fourth year of this term, when you decide that
you want to exit this administration for whatever reason, so
you can set yourself up for the next job and
be invited back into polite society, there is none of
that for you. I believe in redemption, but I don't
have to redeem you. In fact, don't look to me
to redeem you. Look there's a redeemer, and I'm not him.
But I'm telling you this much. All these all these

(53:23):
characters in this play are going to try to repurpose
themselves at the right time to be again part of
civil society and accept it as reasonable people.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
But they're unreasonable. Just as you mentioned, he was detestable.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
On January fifth, as he was on the sixth, as
the fourth, as the sixth, as the first.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
I tell you right, Why do we have to tell
you any is worse than any of us could have imagined.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Angela is not that they didn't listen, they didn't.

Speaker 15 (53:53):
Need to care.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, they didn't share it, just like the people who said.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I know he was going to strike the federal government,
but I didn't think he was taking my job.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
Open vote for him, but I would still vote for him.
All right, don't go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
We're going to pick up this great conversation on the
other side of this.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Break to be right back, Angela, you say that that
white supremacy is nonpartisan.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
This is just an example.

Speaker 6 (54:25):
IOWA in New Hampshire, our efforting to reshape the primary
schedule again because they're like, hey, we want to be
back at the top, we want to go first again.
IOWA in New Hampshire ninety three and ninety four percent
white population, respectively. This is why I cannot, in good
faith get out here and talk about, you know, how
dope Democrats are.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
I'm a Democratic voter.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
I'm not a spokesperson for the party, and I'm not
going to swallow some bullshit right now, like they have
not met the moment in my idea. And even the
fact that I own that it's a conversation that they're saying,
we want to go first again, lets me know that
they are toned deaf to what's happening the party.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
It just seems to be in disarray. So I don't
go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
No, no, no, no, you can say I just said then
I'm a fan. I'm sorry, Well, I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
I just that's all.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
I just agree with TIFFs.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
I just agree with t And let me say this
one thing. You know what's even more frustrating. There have
been some Democrats who are meeting the moment. They are
black women in their exhaustion, in their state of being
triggered in having to carry this country on their backs again,

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after having to nurse your badass babies, after having to
be your nanny yo mammy, and your cook, after having
to do everything else, we are still saving you from
your dumb ass selves.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
We're tired, how about that? Like, I am just I'm
blown by this.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
I am so frustrated by the fact that we had
to pull a whole toward together to get our people relief,
and our people didn't vote this way, like I am.

Speaker 16 (56:06):
I am. I am crying now, I am so enraged
all the time, Like I am going to do the
right thing because I don't want us to die, because
we don't deserve what you've done.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
We don't deserve to reap the consequences we didn't participate
in getting here.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Like I don't want to talk.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I do, And the just is beyond.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
It's beyond, Like I literally, you guys, I know you
guys just told me last week don't be on the
phone in this show. And I got a text in
the show with somebody like, are you sure we can
go to DC for this meeting?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Like it is, it is.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Maddening, and I'm mad about it.

Speaker 6 (56:47):
My mom.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
I should be able to just focus on.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
My mom, like I just tif I have this book deadline.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
I should be able to focus.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
I'm finishing the book.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
I'm fighting myself because I have to argue that freedom
is still our birthright and we are so not free.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Like it is maddening right now, it really really is.
I don't I'm just I don't know.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
Us right this is this is but this is how
we feel. I think so many people out there feel
that way.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
And the tears are.

Speaker 6 (57:18):
Not sadness, you know, it is not weird, not sad.
We are so enraged right now. And it's such a
good point, Angela. It's like we're going through all of
these things in our real lives are still happening. Angela's
I'm very open about her mother's battle with cancer. That
alone is enough to consume your entire being.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
And we don't even.

Speaker 6 (57:40):
Have the freedom to breathe in that space is so frustrating.
So I just feel like, in our moments of righteous anger,
I'm just ready to fight. And I don't mean like
fight like I want to write a policy paper. I
don't mean like fight like I want to go protest
like i've we mean like I wanted those two little

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girls who were flanked by four grown men.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I wanted to yell.

Speaker 6 (58:06):
At them, get the fuck away from these kids and
leave them alone. They had them their school uniforms, they
were I didn't even realize school was back. They were
walking home, these four grown men following them.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
And what society is that?

Speaker 6 (58:18):
Okay, all these Epstein dumbasses who are so goddamn concerned
about child sex trafficking, who voted for Trump, who were
so into it because they thought the Clintons were attached
to it, this is what it looks like. Now you're
letting mass men snatch girls parents off the street, and
there's been so many reports of mass men pretending to

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be ice so they can attempt to kidnap women.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Just just miss me with that bullshit. You don't really
care about kids.

Speaker 6 (58:51):
It's just it is beyond comprehension what we're going through.
And I guess the shame I personally feel for having
fear is because because I don't we didn't do.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
This yet, but we were talking about doing.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
This as a mini pot at some point I think,
or maybe we did, I can't remember. But what price
are you willing to pay? And I just feel like
we are all going to be tested right now. So
for all the people who are not paying attention, who
are scrolling on Instagram and TikTok and you know, talking
about Taylor Swifts engagement and just bullshit, It's like, listen, you.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Guys, it is on fire.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Whatever invisible line you were waiting for him to cross,
he has crossed it. So I love the viewers question
about like I get it. Where can we build safety?
Where can we build towns?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
And I don't. I don't know where that is. But
I'll tell you what what I'm feeling right now.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
I want to get out of here, like I can't
stay in DC feeling like this every day.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
It is just not good for.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
My have a room at my house.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
Tip.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
I keep wanting to come to Seattle because what you've
never been, but.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
What you're pointing out Tip is the truth is is
is any place?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Keep running and right now within the boundaries of this place,
given the lawlessness, and and I think I know where
you were going with miss me, with what you say,
you believe and you protect children. What I know now
after having observed first the first go round and now
this one, is that there is no faithful belief system
on their side. Those are lies. Those are the convenient

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lives we tell ourselves to get us past a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
But it isn't true.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
And now that I know it's not true, my tolerance
level for all the reasons you give for being four
and against and holding the flag and protect law enforcement
and fund all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
It's a sham.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I just wish y'all would say it to yourselves, just
admit to yourselves, Oh, I'm only really in this for
the convenience, the political expedience of the matter. Like I
ride with this guy because he's gonna do and say
the things that I can't get away with doing and
saying and keep my job. But he can do and
say and keep his job. And yes, you get a
little bit uncomfortable when the babies are on the television

(01:01:02):
and they're crying and the separation, and you may have
a moment of humanity, but in the recesses of your mind,
you're in complete solidarity with what the man is doing,
because if you weren't, you wouldn't have put him back
there in the first place. You cannot say I don't
think you can say it the first time, but you absolutely,
in this condition cannot say you didn't know. Everybody knew
the second time they went to the ballot, to the polls.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Third time, I guess, on this guy to the polls.
You knew what you were getting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
You knew, and you still invited it, you still sanctioned it,
and through your silence, you're still co conspiring in it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
So I just y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
In democracies, leaders get to govern with the consent of
the people, and at the point that we remove our consent,
they're no longer our leaders. I'm not trying to be
a violent rhetorical person, but I'm simply saying, the American
people have to wake up and demonstrate that this is
not who we are, or you can consent through your

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silence and say this is exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Who we are. And I'm okay with it. I'm gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:02:09):
A third options. This is who we are, and I'm
not good with that. I'm doing different, Yeah, we're going
to do it different. But it is who we are, or.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
It is who they are, and it is who they
come to it for sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
And unfortunately, through through through through our abeysins, we then
give shelter to it. And what I'm saying about so
for instance, and in LA, they drove them out through
their protests an overwhelming number, an overwhelming number, sure of support,
such to the point that law enforcement with guns more
powerful than any that we can own privately, had to

(01:02:43):
had to rescind their line. They retreated their line. Thank you,
Angela retreated their line. And the same has to be
true Chicago. You've got much of as much of a warning.
My brother lives there, God knows, I want it for
his safety more than anything. But they have to we
have to meet their force with our presence. Their presence

(01:03:03):
must be must must look like ants on a heel
in comparison to us saying you are not welcomed here.
And I get that many of these people are just
average people who are being called into service and have
to render themselves to the government when they when they

(01:03:24):
say come, But what does What does disobeying illegal order
look like? What does it mean for a person in
law enforcement or in the uniform to say we cannot
execute on an unjust or in illegal order?

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
What does that look like?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Honest? I want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
In fact, I hope we get the guests that we're
we hope to see in a few because I want
to ask not to not to include him in what
my conclusion may be here, but to say, what does
it look like if you are obliged to not have
to follow illegal and unjust orders? What does it look
like to stand up and say, I'm sorry man? That
video that show the black officer leaned against the car.

(01:04:03):
He was embarrassed to be put on that video, the
black officer next to the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
That's what needs to happen. You need to be embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
But what does it mean to say, I am in
law enforcement and what this is is not enforcing the law.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
In fact, we are acting in contradiction to it is
in the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah, all right, y'all, So listen, we are working, of
course to get a general Honooray to join us. But
as you imagine, twenty year anniversary of Katrina, he's got
lots of demands on his time, so we may end
up bringing that to you in a mini bod, but
we are going to get it to you as.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Soon as we have it. And of course, on the
other side of the break.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
You'll hear from myself and our co host about some
calls to actions. Say, all right, y'all, I know it's
been a heavy, heavy, heavy show and I really at

(01:04:57):
some level hate it because it always just feels like
everything's heavy. But on the other hand, you know what,
we have to face reality with reality. This is the situation.
This is what it is, and hopefully you hear our
frustration and probably share in it and also our hearts
as they break of our community. Y'all, as we wrap

(01:05:18):
this show up, I'd love to hear if you have
any calls to actions for our listening fam as we
close this out, reflect on Katrina this weekend and ship
our survival beyond that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
Well, I'll just say my CTA is tell people what's
going on, because when I was, like I said in Atlanta,
when I was trying to explain it to people, it
was kind of a shoulder shrug, like they didn't really
get it, and not everyone is plugged in and that's
like I'm a little disconnected from things, just from my
own sanity. But spread the word and take it seriously.

(01:05:56):
Understand that this level of authoritarianism will not exists only
in the belt Way. It will cast a dark shadow
across the country. And democracy is something that has to
be fought for and has to be defended. And we
have our elders who are still alive who did that
for us. And I can't tell you what actions to

(01:06:18):
take because I don't know what's happening in everybody's jurisdiction.
But at minimum be aware because you may be able
to tell us an action that we need to take.
And then find reputable outlets wich you say, well, where
should I do? I hate the New York Times political coverage,
but that's something anything that is giving you reliable information
about what is happening, what's going on. At least be

(01:06:40):
aware and spread the word. Ignorance is not gonna save us.
That is the enemy right now.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
That is the gospel. Truth. Mine is on the facts.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
We have a listener question, call in or come in,
and I want to play this listener question with my response,
which is a fetch.

Speaker 14 (01:07:01):
A good day, Nail Lampard come to you all today,
not with a question, but more so like voicing my
opinion and a little bit of frustration with Angela. This week,
Angela did a mini pod with state rep and the
Cold Callier, and I felt like she should have pushed
back on her more when it came to the point
of when the state reps started talking about like mining
individuals California and stuff like that. I'm paraphrasing, but she

(01:07:24):
essentially said, you know, Textas gonna go through their maps,
but she feels okay knowing that California's gonna come behind
them with five redistrict seats for Democrats. And I think
what was missed there is that Texas gonna redistrict out
two black members that we probably would never get back,

(01:07:45):
and whatever comes out of California is not guaranteed. The
we're gonna get two black representatives back more likely won't happen.
So I felt like we let angel let her off
the hook. And oftentimes I feel like we do that
a lot with Democrats. We don't push them enough, pressure
them enough to get the results they were looking for.
So how am frustration that Eder didn't catch her and
then she didn't push back on her more on that.

(01:08:06):
So I just wanted to come to you all with
that one like that because I thought the state rivers
out of line when she said that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:12):
And on that we have two fact check moments from
that interview, So let's roll the first one, are you
experiencing or feeling any regret at coming back home to
face this kind of madness I think, which is almost
worse than what you all experienced leaving. And the second
earlier you referenced the California maps, the fact that Governor

(01:08:34):
k Newsom has taken some action, and that was one.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Of the precursors for some of you at least to return.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
What do you say to the people who say that's
great for California, but what does that have to do
with folks who need representation from black and brown folks
in Texas?

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
How do you respond to that? Okay, So I.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
Actually agree with you, brother, and I raised those questions.
I hope you will go back and listen. Maybe your
point is that you don't think I pushed it hard.
There are a lot of people who think I pushed
too hard, and she is an American hero, and I
actually do think that given everything that Nicole went through,
being back in Texas after deciding to go back to Texas.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
She certainly is a hero Sturter ground.

Speaker 5 (01:09:14):
Nonetheless, the Texas maps have passed, and nonetheless California said
that they going to go forward and do something. California's
demographics are a lot different than Texas, and so I
don't think that it is a substitute to change one
for the other and we are going to be all good.
I don't think this is merely political jerry mandering, as
we've talked about on this show. It is also racist
and so on that note, my call to action would be,

(01:09:37):
please make sure to fact check. And we got two
of these, let's make sure we use them. I need
to do a better job myself.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I definitely received the big point though, because in Florida
we have eliminated the black representation there, and the same
is obviously as a result of this in Texas California.
We know our CBC members are struggling each cycle, curious
whether or not they will be returned because increasingly they're
representing yes, minority districts, but minority districts that are majority Latino.

(01:10:06):
That's right, and while their coalition politics are different out there,
I envy it in some ways. At some point we
know that there is going to be an intersection where
we're gonna go one way or another. And it's it's maddening,
and this is my ctia. It's just maddening to see
the work at erasure of us that you know. It's like,

(01:10:28):
you want to look up our history, tell us that
slavery was good for us. Tell me that I got
the skills that I got today because I was enslave.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Chattled to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Kick all black women out of the ability to provide
for themselves in their family. That's the exact reason why
they go after black women is because they know what
it means to destroy the black family. You take away
the black women, you take away her ability to earn
and to provide. Come on, ma'am, then that's our kids' futures.
So they and then now our representation and the effort

(01:11:01):
at this And I guess the CTA is is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
We have to become awake.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
But also, y'all, we have to start taking names numbers
because Trump won't be here forever as much as he
wants to be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
I have faith that that will not come to pass.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
And when folks on the other when Democrats, the opposing
party do get in power.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
It is we have to learn the right lesson From
this moment.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
You'll piss ant pushback has equalted nothing, and now we
have to result to tactics that are more effective, not illegal,
but that are effective and that hold these people who
account for what they have done to us. If we
fail to do that, we're inviting its repetition period. So

(01:11:45):
we thank you all of my co hosts, you all
our listeners. Again, heavier episode, but you know what we
gotta We gotta take the tough cough syrup sometimes, the
tough medicine sometimes so that we can get our acts together.
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There are four hundred and thirty two days until the
midterm elections that we are all going to work to
make sure do occur.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
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